I saw this on XX 440 on Craigslist today. Who knows, maybe it will find it's home.
http://atlanta.craigslist.org/pts/655303775.html
Probably the guy who won the engine when it was on ebay .As it didnt find its wayback to the original car of Rick Edwards.
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,42601.msg469916.html#msg469916
Being that it is in the same area of the country as the person who won the auction on Ebay I'd say that its the same one that belongs in Ricks car.
Wow, not surprised, everyone saw that coming.
Crap....4k!!!! :rotz:
Quote from: Just 6T9 CHGR on April 26, 2008, 03:21:44 PM
Crap....4k!!!! :rotz:
Does it being an XX block really make it worth $4k? Or is this guy just dreaming :shruggy: ?
if your the owner of that C500 or Daytona ..how much would you be willing to pay for the the original matching # block ... just to to be able to find your matching # s block after years is awesome in its self i think ..would pay that for my XS #'s matching block :yesnod: expensive yes ..but its the original engine :yesnod: ...
Quote from: tan top on April 26, 2008, 04:10:32 PM
if your the owner of that C500 or Daytona ..how much would you be willing to pay for the the original matching # block ... just to to be able to find your matching # s block after years is a awesome in its self i think ..would pay that for my XS #'s matching block :yesnod: expensive yes ..but its the original engine :yesnod: ...
No, I was refering to everyone else. I could EASILY see the owner of the car that the block belongs too paying $4k, or even more, but is it worth $4k to anyone else just because it's an XX block? What are the chances the owner of the car actually finds this guy...
Quote from: The Kid on April 26, 2008, 04:21:18 PM
Quote from: tan top on April 26, 2008, 04:10:32 PM
if your the owner of that C500 or Daytona ..how much would you be willing to pay for the the original matching # block ... just to to be able to find your matching # s block after years is a awesome in its self i think ..would pay that for my XS #'s matching block :yesnod: expensive yes ..but its the original engine :yesnod: ...
No, I was refering to everyone else. I could EASILY see the owner of the car that the block belongs too paying $4k, or even more, but is it worth $4k to anyone else just because it's an XX block? What are the chances the owner of the car actually finds this guy...
The owner of the car that this engine is original to is a member here.
Quote from: The Kid on April 26, 2008, 04:21:18 PM
Quote from: tan top on April 26, 2008, 04:10:32 PM
if your the owner of that C500 or Daytona ..how much would you be willing to pay for the the original matching # block ... just to to be able to find your matching # s block after years is a awesome in its self i think ..would pay that for my XS #'s matching block :yesnod: expensive yes ..but its the original engine :yesnod: ...
No, I was refering to everyone else. I could EASILY see the owner of the car that the block belongs too paying $4k, or even more, but is it worth $4k to anyone else just because it's an XX block? What are the chances the owner of the car actually finds this guy...
no your right ..way too much if you have not got the car ...could possibly see another factor ..if a C500 owner is missing his block & that falls in the right build time :yesnod:
I called it... knew this clown would be posting a new for sale thread and marking up the price after he purchased it on EBay - I really wish Rick could have walked away it the first time!
BZ
hi-ho-hi-ho its off with the ss checks I go - already talked to the guy but didn't tell him it went to my car. After all 28 years of having it sit in the garage he can get his money back and a few bucks. or IF I ever sell it I can direct the buyer to him. He said he wanted to make a killing - maybe since he thinks the motors worth 4k I should sell him the matching car for 80k. What'd ya think guys? :drool5: :icon_smile_big: :nana:
Rick
Sounds like a plan Rick! ;)
A "nice" email was sent off to the eBay winner (hopefully the CL guy & him arent the same :rotz: )as per our conversation...I wish you all the best :cheers:
$4,000 is crazy. Sherri, you guys aren't really thinking about paying him that much are you? I mean I realize its the #'s engine and all, but I'd make him eat it for asking that much. I wouldn't even bother telling him it went in your car. Just leave him trolling for the next few years trying to figure out why he can't get his asking price out of the engine. Then come along and offer him $1,250 for it.
I thought getting $3 K for a original wingcar jack was crazy.Now $4000.00 for a 69 H.P motor.But it does ads totally value to the 500 making it a numbers matching car again.Sum of the parts ads to the total value to the car as a whole
New developments - in the first place the guy was suppose to call me when he found out the engine was good and give me first shot hmmm then after much thought and investigation maybe my offer was to high.
Do you all remember back then when motors and tranys were stolen to bore 30-60 over for racing? I have no idea what the insides like but I can tell you that there is reason for me to believe this may have happened to this baby. If the motor was replaced by Chrysler on warranty - how did it find it's way back on the market? With only 66k miles why would the previous owner replace it with a 70 block. My block has no # on the side rail, which indicates to me it's a replacement. The top pad is stamped SO440.
And the story goes on -
Rick and Sherry :shruggy:
good luck rick what ever you do
thank you for the encouragment - I'll be sending him a 'dear john' letter offering what he paid for it, that is after I've visually check it out!
Rick
Rick did you get his email? He sent me one back stating he sent you one....
Quote from: 69_500 on April 26, 2008, 01:28:43 PM
Being that it is in the same area of the country as the person who won the auction on Ebay I'd say that its the same one that belongs in Ricks car.
Go figure. :P I'm pretty sure we all saw this coming. Obviously, it's really only worth over $1200 to one person... Rick. If it were any other stamp on there, the guy would be lucky to get over $1K. Hopefully you can work out a reasonable deal with him, Rick. I think if you offered him $2K, he would take it, or else he'll need to sit on it for a while, and hope that if you sell your car, the next guy would be willing to pay more. That's basically the gamble he'd be taking. If you never sell the car, Rick, he's screwed. -Russ
it's sad the guy wants to make a few bucks knowing he can like that, do the right thing, give the man his motor.
Quote from: talkiemopar on April 27, 2008, 12:22:10 PM
Do you all remember back then when motors and tranys were stolen to bore 30-60 over for racing?
Our B5 car has eight sleeves in the block. I wouldn't worry about the overbore. In fact, I'd hope for it! What would he do with it then???
Quote from: pettybird on April 28, 2008, 10:51:02 PM
Our B5 car has eight sleeves in the block. I wouldn't worry about the overbore. In fact, I'd hope for it! What would he do with it then???
Mark it down to 3750k??
now on ebay.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1969-Dodge-Charger-500-Engine-XX29L9B238099-Mopar-RT_W0QQitemZ270234723954QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item270234723954&
obviously not decent enough a seller to give him back his block...
I hope he gets stuck with it.
If I ran across the original block to a car I owned, especially one that's rare, I'd be interested in it to a certain extent. If the going rate for a block was say $500 or so, I'd consider going a small amount higher, like 5% to 10% but that's it & it better not be damaged. There's probably a good reason why the motor was yanked way back when, like maybe it's junk. I think the seller was speculating the owner of the car was someone who would be saying"I HAVE TO HAVE THE ORIGINAL MOTOR BACK AT NO EXPENSE SPARED!" but guessed wrong. :coolgleamA:
Quote from: Old Moparz on May 05, 2008, 07:39:48 AM
If I ran across the original block to a car I owned, especially one that's rare, I'd be interested in it to a certain extent. If the going rate for a block was say $500 or so, I'd consider going a small amount higher, like 5% to 10% but that's it & it better not be damaged. There's probably a good reason why the motor was yanked way back when, like maybe it's junk. I think the seller was speculating the owner of the car was someone who would be saying"I HAVE TO HAVE THE ORIGINAL MOTOR BACK AT NO EXPENSE SPARED!" but guessed wrong. :coolgleamA:
You hit that nail on the head. I hope he gets stuck with it too, but I sent him a message on eBay to just "do the right thing." My guess is he won't.
I can guarantee you that he will be stuck with the engine with a starting bid of $2,500. Especially when everyone who would even remotely be interested in the engine, knows exactly how much he paid for it a mere few weeks back. Its not like he has had it completely rebuilt and its ready to drop in a car, but he is still thinking he will easily double if not triple his money. Knowing good and well who's car it goes to, and that he outbid them by a mere $25.
Sometimes you can't think about things...if it were my engine...on a no reserve auction, I'd sniper bid the $2,500 to get it back to its rightful place. One day the engine in the car will bring in more than the extra $1,250 he'll have to pay for it.
Overall, it's just unfortunate that the seller won't man up and show some honor and sell it to the car's owner for only a $500 profit. :shruggy:
I esp. love the comment about him knowing the original car it came from and "the original owner not being interested" - what a prick! I would buy the block and fly me to Georgia to personally pick up the block for you so I could smash this guy's face in :eek2: I promise it would be money well spent!
(I train MMA/competition fighting - so the smashing-face-in part is 2nd nature)
BZ
It seems to me that the seller has some multiple problems, most likely self created. Currently he looks to be stepping up the ladder of the 5 stages of grief. First denial, can't believe someone will not reward him for the good he wants to do. Second, anger-raise the price in a retaliatory reaction. He's got Bargaining, Depression, and Acceptance to go. In his description he says to the effect that the owner of the car isn't interested, part of his denial is that he can't believe someone will not meet his price. Addict4christ, bet you can't disagree with him.
Ever wonder why there's more guests lurking here than members? I can almost guarantee he's watching this thread. :scratchchin:
Quote from: 472 R/T SE on May 06, 2008, 03:54:12 PM
Ever wonder why there's more guests lurking here than members? I can almost guarantee he's watching this thread. :scratchchin:
There really is a reasonable solution to the problem, and it would make all involved happy (or at least I would think so), but some effort is involved. If Rick had some time to clean up the car, at least get it running with the motor in it now, then list it on eBay with a reasonable reserve (also mentioning he knows where the original motor is and that it can be had for a certain sum), he'd end up with a nice pile of needed cash, the new owner could pay Addict2Christ $2K (or thereabouts) for the motor, and (hopefully) all would be happy. If I had a shop of my own, or at least had some good connections for doing a resto, I'd love to get involved. But the way Rick's C500 is now, it's just too much of a project for me to handle (and probably more money that I could handle). Anyhow, my :Twocents: for a solution. I do hope the car and engine get reunited, and I would love to be the owner of it all, but the car is just to rough for my means (I need her to look more like Dana!).
I had contacted the seller through ebay when he first listed it the other day, and asked him how he figured that the owner of the car wasn't interested in the engine? I said he was interested, but not at a price that is ridiculous (IE tripling the price from the first auction). I got a nice message back from him saying he is a good christian man, and this is how he supports his family, and that I should butt out of it as its not my car or engine.
Oh well to each their own I guess.
I will have to differ from some of you guys. If it was my car I would pay up. I wouldn't get crazy, but I would bite the bullet and overpay, if that is what it took to get it. Look at it like this..........right now it is FOR SALE. Let's say that it's overpriced by $1,500. What happens 10 years from now (when you decide that you SHOULD have bought it) and it is NOT for sale ?? You'd be feeling pretty stupid when you think about the lousy $1,500 that you wouldn't spend. *NOTE* If this was MY car, I would have never let it get this far. I would have been the high bidder when it was on E-bay.
Quote from: CTinCT on May 06, 2008, 09:17:46 PM
*NOTE* If this was MY car, I would have never let it get this far. I would have been the high bidder when it was on E-bay.
That's what I've been saying, but that's water under the bridge now... Good Christian my ass...
BZ
Quote from: CTinCT on May 06, 2008, 09:17:46 PM
I will have to differ from some of you guys. If it was my car I would pay up. I wouldn't get crazy, but I would bite the bullet and overpay, if that is what it took to get it. Look at it like this..........right now it is FOR SALE. Let's say that it's overpriced by $1,500. What happens 10 years from now (when you decide that you SHOULD have bought it) and it is NOT for sale ?? You'd be feeling pretty stupid when you think about the lousy $1,500 that you wouldn't spend. *NOTE* If this was MY car, I would have never let it get this far. I would have been the high bidder when it was on E-bay.
Your not this Addict2Christ guy are you? :shruggy: :popcrn:
Your not runningman are you? :icon_smile_big:
(sorry Geno, i couldnt resist) :slap:
o.k. time for the witchie wife to chime in. Ten years from now we'll be in our mid seventies. So for get restoration in ten years!
Today Rick talked to Frank and offered to buy it for a little more than he paid for it. And, I guess some of you haven't bid on e-bay. The bidding stops at some time and ahh well, someone doesn't win.
The engine doesn't have the right numbered heads. The drive to Georgia at $4.00 + ain't cheap and Frank had to drive 30 miles to pick it up. Sorry peoples but no one said this Bronze Charger was a 'matching number' car to begin with. Still in need of a 'matching number' trany - This ones a 1970. Happy to inform the group of the #0G129452 trany we have and we would gladly do an even exchange with the guy who really needs it ( if the car exists ). By the way, Frank indicated that a matching trany isn't important, just a motor. duh!
Appreciate all the 'messages' to Frank. You guys are unbelievable! He seems like a o.k. guy I guess. Just wanted to hit the lottery I guess. Maybe he may reconsider getting his money back - the story goes on.
:brickwall:
Any idea how I can contact the Anti-Christ for a loan? How about a 1% 30 yr fixed :brickwall: :nana: Oops! Have owned the Bronze Beast for 28 years - when we do part with - it will go to someone who isn't in it for profit but heart and sole die hard Charger/Mopar nut. so whats another 10 years? ( not much to Rick - ) sooner if I can help it!
Just kidding?
(Calm down Gene!)
later time to buy that lottery ticket!
So a good Christian way of supporting a family is swoop in at the last minute and grab up something somebody else has a need for and then offer to sell it to them at an outrageous profit? It may not meet the strictest definiton of usury but it doesn't sound much to me like it meets old values like humility or charity either. I'm glad Rick is taking this in his usual good natured stride but if the good Christian won't come around I still hope he ends up stuck with it.
Started at $ 2500, up to $ 3500, now down to $2250. We're at the bargaining phase. I'm guessing that it is dawning on someone that they are an Old Testament person only. He's made it clear that money is his only goal, who cares where he travels to. That will dawn on him over the next year.
Well in my opinion he needs to really sit down and think about who he is trying to get to come up with money? For one thing, its not like the engine is worth anything other than to 1 person in the world. The person who has the car. And its a 440 block, they are a dime a dozen. You can find one in good shape all the time it seems like. 95% of them go for around $600-900 for a good HP 2 block that i've been looking at over the past 2 years. Some are higher, some lower, and I've seen 2 other 440 blocks for Charger 500's sell in the past 2 years for between $850 and $1,200. So the selling price on ebay that he bought it for, would be right around those ball park figures. Now you have to also consider that the one that sold for $1,200 for the bare block was sold to the owner of the car it went to. So it did reunite with the car it came out of.
If the engine came out of my 500, and I had just lost the bid on ebay by a small amount as Rick did, I would still make an offer to the gentleman/woman who won, but I can tell you this much I wouldn't double/triple my offer without knowing if the engine is even salvageable. I mean what good is a a block that is cracked, even if it does have the right VIN?
Oh, and side note, so it looks like to get a shot at the bronze car all I need to do is wait a mere 10 more years? No problem at all, that would put me right at 40 :nana:
Quote from: 69_500 on May 07, 2008, 03:58:47 PM
Well in my opinion he needs to really sit down and think about who he is trying to get to come up with money? For one thing, its not like the engine is worth anything other than to 1 person in the world. The person who has the car. And its a 440 block, they are a dime a dozen. You can find one in good shape all the time it seems like. 95% of them go for around $600-900 for a good HP 2 block that i've been looking at over the past 2 years. Some are higher, some lower, and I've seen 2 other 440 blocks for Charger 500's sell in the past 2 years for between $850 and $1,200. So the selling price on ebay that he bought it for, would be right around those ball park figures. Now you have to also consider that the one that sold for $1,200 for the bare block was sold to the owner of the car it went to. So it did reunite with the car it came out of.
If the engine came out of my 500, and I had just lost the bid on ebay by a small amount as Rick did, I would still make an offer to the gentleman/woman who won, but I can tell you this much I wouldn't double/triple my offer without knowing if the engine is even salvageable. I mean what good is a a block that is cracked, even if it does have the right VIN?
Oh, and side note, so it looks like to get a shot at the bronze car all I need to do is wait a mere 10 more years? No problem at all, that would put me right at 40 :nana:
I just turned 40 rick can i get a shot now !
Quote from: 69_500 on May 07, 2008, 03:58:47 PM
Well in my opinion he needs to really sit down and think about who he is trying to get to come up with money? For one thing, its not like the engine is worth anything other than to 1 person in the world. The person who has the car. And its a 440 block, they are a dime a dozen. You can find one in good shape all the time it seems like. 95% of them go for around $600-900 for a good HP 2 block that i've been looking at over the past 2 years. Some are higher, some lower, and I've seen 2 other 440 blocks for Charger 500's sell in the past 2 years for between $850 and $1,200. So the selling price on ebay that he bought it for, would be right around those ball park figures. Now you have to also consider that the one that sold for $1,200 for the bare block was sold to the owner of the car it went to. So it did reunite with the car it came out of.
If the engine came out of my 500, and I had just lost the bid on ebay by a small amount as Rick did, I would still make an offer to the gentleman/woman who won, but I can tell you this much I wouldn't double/triple my offer without knowing if the engine is even salvageable. I mean what good is a a block that is cracked, even if it does have the right VIN?
Oh, and side note, so it looks like to get a shot at the bronze car all I need to do is wait a mere 10 more years? No problem at all, that would put me right at 40 :nana:
Perfectly summaried. :cheers: -Russ
Great, so as of yesterday I'm 6 years too old? (I'm sure my wife would say I'm closer to six than six too old)
Wow you mean you wife would admit that your even 6? My wife always says I'm more of a 2 year old than our own son, who is 4. Guess that means he acts 2 times as mature as I do. Boy some times I wish I was still 2 though, they have some darn nice toys today.
Hey All,
Nice site, I live in the same town as this fella and know of him, he stopped in his work van one day as I work from my summertime home there. He tried to sell me a 383 motor then.
I sent him this tonight...
Really Frank why not let the fella have the motor for what you paid for it, call it karma or whatever, but what happened to what you give you get back ten fold....clearly money driven here no question about it, if it were the motor for your org superbee many in the mopar world would just give it to you, thats what us real mopar people do...there is a website with a section just for this to get org cars matched back with there owners and whole complete motors, even at time hemi blocks returned home to the org car for nothing. All about the cash, but as long as you sleep well at night I guess thats all that matters.
But its clear hes only in it for the cash.....cant wait to catch him in his 71 bee out one day, should be interesting. With that attitude he can rot in hell as far as im concerned....
So you folks are not the only one whos sees what this is really about.....anyone need directions??
Quick.
Now Frank is threatening to scrap the engine for ten bucks a lb. and laughing about it. This addictedtocash is quite something. He ain't no :angel:
If it isn't in the car it belongs to it's the same as scrap already.
Seems that the seller is a little upset about people asking why he is wanting to triple his money? Apparently I wasn't informed that all Mopar guys are out to make a buck. I had always though that the large majority of actual Mopar guys/gals were in it for a hobby and the love of the cars, but I guess I've been misinformed for the past 30 years. Seems every true Mopar person I know of would gladly sell things for a lot cheaper if it went to someones car that had an actual use for it. I know I have, and I know that I've bought several things off of others for great deals just because they know I could use something.
Quote from: RAC95054 on May 06, 2008, 05:25:08 PM
Quote from: 472 R/T SE on May 06, 2008, 03:54:12 PM
Ever wonder why there's more guests lurking here than members? I can almost guarantee he's watching this thread. :scratchchin:
(I need her to look more like Dana!).
Ahhh, I'll tell her that..... :)
Quote from: 69_500 on May 10, 2008, 08:38:08 AM
Seems that the seller is a little upset about people asking why he is wanting to triple his money? Apparently I wasn't informed that all Mopar guys are out to make a buck. I had always though that the large majority of actual Mopar guys/gals were in it for a hobby and the love of the cars, but I guess I've been misinformed for the past 30 years. Seems every true Mopar person I know of would gladly sell things for a lot cheaper if it went to someones car that had an actual use for it. I know I have, and I know that I've bought several things off of others for great deals just because they know I could use something.
I have sent parts to people on this board for nothing more than shipping cost, or $5 for a $35 part. I sold a shifter Byron Fetting $350 I paid $410 for it. I know if people are going to use them I dont mind helping them out. Figure some day I may need some help, and hopefully someone else would help me if needed.
:shruggy:
Hey, if you think about it the only reason the guy with the original car would even want his original engine is to make his car more valuable. So why is it a bad thing if the guy with the engine makes some money on it? Both of them have gains if a sale takes place! Sounds like a win-win situation.
I had a similar thing happen to me, I found out the second owner of my Hemi car had my original broadcast sheet. It is worthless to anyone but me. Well, he said I could have it but it would cost me. And his price was unreasonable. Over $1000! I stepped up and paid it and I'm glad I did. All it did was make my car worth more come the day when I might sell it.
I'm not even opposed to people making money on parts (that's how the free world works after all). Personally, I find this whole thing offensive because this guy knew the owner of the matching car was looking at it so he slipped in and sniped him for it and then turned around with an obscene markup knowing it was only worth a lot to one person. If he is into these parts as much as he says, then he already knows he overpaid for the engine in the first place from the point of view of someone who doesn't own the rest of the car. Then he wants to play the "Christian" card and now he threatens to scrap it since no one else is interested in an overpriced 440 block.
I shouldn't care since none of this has anything to do with me and despite a lot of posts that would show otherwise, I am not really a purist guy. This one just rankles me though because it's so blatant and opportunistic and wrong. Certain cars in this HOBBY deserve a special status and homologation specials like the 69 C500 are near the top of that list. :flame: :flame: :flame: :flame: :flame: :flame: :flame: :RantExplode: :RantExplode: :RantExplode:
As Ghoste said, it's not like this guy had the engine sitting in his storage shed for the last 35 years and just happened to realize it was worth some money. He outbid the owner of the car and is now holding it for ransom (so to speak). I can see making some money but refusing to sell it even at a price no one else is willing to give is vindictive - not to mention incredibly stupid from a business perspective. If he truly supports his family this way then he needs to sell what he buys in order to make a profit. Buying expensive stuff and hanging on to it results in a loss (the last time I checked any way). The fact that he now threatens to scrap it - for pennies on the dollar in this case - proves that his sob story of trying make a living is a bunch of BS since he knows where he can sell it right now for 10-15 times the scrap price (and still for more than he paid).
Troy
If he wants to use the whole stand of being a good christian I do have a problem with trying to rip someone for an unheard of profit margin though(This is the main reason that so many people in the WORLD have a negative view of "christians." People who act like that are what I like to call "Sunday Christians", people who try to look the part for one day of the week). Last time I checked in the Bible, it makes it clear that if a brother ask for something then you are supposed to help out, not hinder. It clearly says that one should not be a stumbling block to another believer. And profit margin is one thing, as far as I know the seller of the engine has already turned down an 11% mark up from what he paid for the engine. :brickwall: Heck even God only asks for 10% so where would one get off thinking they deserve more than the Creator? :scratchchin:
To me its not so much that its a 500 though, I would view it the same way if it was a 383 block to a 69 Road Runner. Its about a principal. Like Troy said, its not like he had it in a storage shed for the past 30 years, and just recently found out it went to a 500, and offered it to the owner of the car. As a matter of fact he didn't even uphold his own word after he won the auction. Owner of the car contacted him offering to purchase the engine at a mark up, and seller of engine turned him down. Then turned around and said if he did sell it he would offer it to Rick first. To then just turn around and put it straight up on Craigslist, and then ebay without even offering it to Rick.
Okay I'm done ranting now. I still hold the same stance on the issue though.
Quote from: mopar4ever on May 10, 2008, 10:06:34 AM
Hey, if you think about it the only reason the guy with the original car would even want his original engine is to make his car more valuable. So why is it a bad thing if the guy with the engine makes some money on it? Both of them have gains if a sale takes place! Sounds like a win-win situation.
I had a similar thing happen to me, I found out the second owner of my Hemi car had my original broadcast sheet. It is worthless to anyone but me. Well, he said I could have it but it would cost me. And his price was unreasonable. Over $1000! I stepped up and paid it and I'm glad I did. All it did was make my car worth more come the day when I might sell it.
I do have a problem with these types of issues as well. Know of a gentleman who's HEMI 500 is missing the broadcast sheet as well, and he knows who has it. The guy who has the sheet wants $2,500 for it. THATS STUPID. Its a piece of paper that does no one any good except for the owner of the car. Who actually bought the car brand new. So why on earth would he spend half the amount that he did for the car brand new for a piece of paper that was supposed to be tossed into the trash can on the assembly line? yes it goes to his car, but I also like his stance of not caving in and spending a stupid amount of money on the sheet. And its not like there was only 1 sheet to the cars, as he already has 2 other broadcast sheets to his car, just not the one typically found under the rear seat. So what would make someone thing that they can rip someone off like that? I know that if my 500 was missing the engine, or broadcast sheet and someone made me an offer like that for $3,500 for the block, or $2,500 for a broadcast sheet would I do it? HECK NO. It wouldn't even consider it. The people who try to do this, in my opinion are the ones who are giving the hobby a bad name, and they are exactly like the one trying to make a killing on Ricks block. He openly admits it, he is in this to make a killing. Probably the same guy who was a tried and true bow tie man when they were the hot selling items too, or the man who has been a FORD man all his life once he found a 427 block somewhere.
And as far as making Ricks car more valuable, it isn't as though it's sitting on a rotisserie right now getting the 100,000 dollar redo so he can take it to Arizona next January and inflate his "portfoliio". Admittedly, the engine sniper has no way of knowing that for sure but it's fairly common knowledge here so as far as the discussion on this forum goes, I can't accept that argument.
The seller actually has or did have a very nice 71 bee, or did have, ive seen it few times. But a nice car dont make you a nice guy. Clearly hes watching this post one here which is all fine and dandy. He has shown his true colors. He said I should buy it for the guy, well id kick in some cash for what he paid for it if others would...but you know he wont do it. This sure helps his ebay sales dont it?????
The comment about the cost per pound tells it all.
If hed take what hed paid for it, I myslef would kick in a few bucks to help the owner of the car get his block back, but at the same time this just adds to the history of the real car and its struggle to survive.
This is just all very sickening to me, ive had struggles with my car and so many moparts members have helped me over and over with info and some parts they could of made decent cash from but didnt have alot in them, one even said karmas a good thing one one item....he paid very little for a trans and sold me a part for about 1/4 its worth for no reason then just that.
Why not offer the guy 1500 to cover his costs....it would only take 15 people to kick in 100 bucks. But the seller probably wound go for that either....very sad.
Quick
He was already offered a modest profit for the block after he bought it. He is the one who chose to demand an obscene profit which he's obviously not going to get. Use it for a boat anchor or scrap it but I for one won't be making a donation to validate his ransom demands.
Again, why does the guy with the car this engine matches to even want that engine? Because it will make his car more valuable! And on both sides it's all about the money. Really, the seller of the engine does seem a little greedy but the guy with the car should have stepped up in the first place and bid higher than $1300 for his original engine. That was a givaway price to the matching car owner and the guy that sniped it knew that. The car owner should have had a $5K snipe going, the extra value it adds to his car will be way more than that!
In all honesty, I don't think the owner of the car is as interested in seeing the engine reunited with the car as some of the other people on this board. He thinks it would be nice, but I can assure you this $1,300 is way more than a fair amount for a block that was probably pulled out of the engine 30 years ago due to a malfunction of some sorts. You gotta figure that 90% of the HP2 blocks I've seen sale lately have been around $750 to $900 so at $1,300 that is already 50% over the average selling price. Yes it would add some value to the car, but lets be realistic here. Its not going to add $10,000 to the selling price of the car. Even if it was fully restored it wouldn't. Yes its adds some, probably about 10-15% over what the selling price would be.
Side note, he has already turned down $1,500 for the engine which would be a really good profit in my opinion for doing nothing more than sniping something on ebay.
shame some people are like that :rotz: ..if i had a guys matching engine ..block i would let him have it ....if he would replace it with another block ... ... . .. .just helping out fellow mopar brothers ! have given away or sold parts really cheap also because of this ..
Another side note, heck he even turned down a swap of a complete and running 440 for the block the way it sits now, and that is without even knowing what all is wrong with the block.
Quote from: mopar4ever on May 10, 2008, 01:16:31 PM
Again, why does the guy with the car this engine matches to even want that engine? Because it will make his car more valuable! And on both sides it's all about the money. Really, the seller of the engine does seem a little greedy but the guy with the car should have stepped up in the first place and bid higher than $1300 for his original engine. That was a givaway price to the matching car owner and the guy that sniped it knew that. The car owner should have had a $5K snipe going, the extra value it adds to his car will be way more than that!
Some people want the original parts because that's the way their car came from the factory - not just to make it more valuable. Only people who look at cars purely as investments think the other way. People who pay a bunch of money to opportunists only make the problem worse.
You should probably do some research before explaining what someone else should do. It is my understanding that the original owner doesn't have the budget to throw money away on this sort of thing. It's all well and good to know that the value of the car will increase but if the money isn't there then that's the end of the story. He's had the car for many years and I don't think he's selling any time soon so why should he make an (irrational) decision that could hurt his family now on something that won't offer any return for a long time? Having said that, the seller of the engine isn't going to get several times market value from anyone else so if the car owner isn't willing or able to pay that much then it was a bad gamble. You can't hit a home run every time.
Troy
Hey it's the 500 owner - O.k. it's great Frank wants to make a profit. As I explained to him, I don't have the original #s matching trany, seller said the heads were wrong # and the pricture on e-bay showed the motor had the wrong intake manifold. Of course Frank said that not having the original trany doesn't matter. Duh!
Sooo! I have offered to buy the motor for $1500, even without the correct heads and intake. For me the drive is $250 for gas, lodging and food uhhh- maybe another $100 bucks, so a total of $1850. Ahh! Buyers remorse is what my wife calls it. Now, if Frank spent that much picking up the engine I'd be more inclined to pay him $1850. But!!!! since he's only 30 miles or so, from the original seller ::)
I agree that I feel like someone 'motornapped' my engine and since there isn't a 'sole' involved the 'motornapper' can 'destroy' what ever he wants. I've made an offer! By the way - E-bay auctions end at some point and in this case it stopped on his dime! My quarter was in there. Getting testie here on that point. I've lived without it for 28 years so another 28 won't make any difference. Later peoples off to the dirt track it's, Saturday Night!
Well thats that, looks like franks got himself a $1300 pair of new dance shoes but forgot he lost one leg in the war in getting them. :nana: Sorta like not having a leg to stand on. :eek2:
Wonder if we can get some pics and a copy of the credit ticket from the scrap yard when he turns it in for the cast iron he feels so inclined to do to solve this issue as he put is?????
I had that attitude, when I was 12. :brickwall:
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Some people want the original parts because that's the way their car came from the factory - not just to make it more valuable. Only people who look at cars purely as investments think the other way. People who pay a bunch of money to opportunists only make the problem worse.
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Hey, having the original parts on your car makes it more valuable. Weather your an enthusiast or an investor, the outcome is the same, the car is worth more. Even though the seller of the engine is an opportunist, the car owner buying the numbers matching engine from him still benefits himself by getting it. That car being numbers matching
IS worth over $10K more.
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Some people want the original parts because that's the way their car came from the factory - not just to make it more valuable. Only people who look at cars purely as investments think the other way. People who pay a bunch of money to opportunists only make the problem worse.
Troy
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Hey, having the original parts on your car makes it more valuable. Weather your an enthusiast or an investor, the outcome is the same, the car is worth more. Even though the seller of the engine is an opportunist, the car owner buying the numbers matching engine from him still benefits himself by getting it. That car being numbers matching IS worth over $10K more.
You make baby jesus cry....
Quote from: mopar4ever on May 10, 2008, 05:02:50 PM
Hey, having the original parts on your car makes it more valuable. Weather your an enthusiast or an investor, the outcome is the same, the car is worth more. Even though the seller of the engine is an opportunist, the car owner buying the numbers matching engine from him still benefits himself by getting it. That car being numbers matching IS worth over $10K more.
Whatever. The owner of the Charger in question has already made his point. He's lived 28 years without that engine so another 28 doesn't matter to him. I guess that means the car is worth less to some but obviously not to him. I hope the good Christian enjoys his new lawn ornament. :smilielol:
I would have to disagree on the #'s matching motor being added to that Charger 500 as adding more than $10K to the value of it. No offense meant to the owner of the car, but adding that engine to it right now, wouldn't add nearly that much and definitely not more than that amount by an stretch of the imagination.
The reason that the owner of the car is willing to go another 28 years without the engine, is simply due to the fact that unlike some others that have just recently come to the Mopar Party, he was into these cars YEARS before they became something to have. IE bought them when they were just a car because that is what he liked, not because he thought in 30 years it would be a retirement fund, or kids college fund or anything of the like.
Quote from: mopar4ever on May 10, 2008, 05:02:50 PM
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Some people want the original parts because that's the way their car came from the factory - not just to make it more valuable. Only people who look at cars purely as investments think the other way. People who pay a bunch of money to opportunists only make the problem worse.
Troy
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Hey, having the original parts on your car makes it more valuable. Weather your an enthusiast or an investor, the outcome is the same, the car is worth more. Even though the seller of the engine is an opportunist, the car owner buying the numbers matching engine from him still benefits himself by getting it. That car being numbers matching IS worth over $10K more.
Dude, maybe if the engine was a HEMI or maybe the the 500 was a survivor car or maybe if the car was a $100,000 resto job but it's not. Get your facts straight before trying to sling your BS here.
I'm starting to think that this mopar4ever guy is the seller or in bed with the seller.... anyone.?..?? :popcrn: :popcrn:
sorry Geno, i'm posting after a couple of Capt'n Cokes again... :slap:
Quote from: mopar4ever on May 10, 2008, 05:02:50 PM
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Some people want the original parts because that's the way their car came from the factory - not just to make it more valuable. Only people who look at cars purely as investments think the other way. People who pay a bunch of money to opportunists only make the problem worse.
Troy
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Hey, having the original parts on your car makes it more valuable. Weather your an enthusiast or an investor, the outcome is the same, the car is worth more. Even though the seller of the engine is an opportunist, the car owner buying the numbers matching engine from him still benefits himself by getting it. That car being numbers matching IS worth over $10K more.
ONLY if he sells the car. He's had it for 28 years without the original motor so the only thing that is guaranteed if he buys it is that his bank account will decrease. Have you seen the car? How do you know it will be worth $10k more? Again, spend a bit of time doing some research. What if the engine is garbage? How much will the car's value increase then? You're making massive leaps to conclusions that are based on (mostly) unreasonable assumptions. You sound just like a person who'd think an engine is worth five times it's real value. I have some items for sale if you're interested. ;)
Troy
Quote from: PocketThunder on May 10, 2008, 11:43:59 PM
I'm starting to think that this mopar4ever guy is the seller or in bed with the seller.... anyone.?..?? :popcrn: :popcrn:
:iagree: Probably the guy telling the seller that he's sitting on a gold mine.
Troy
Hey, I don't know the seller of the engine or the owner of the car. I do have experience in reuniting engines and broadcast sheets with collector Mopar Muscle cars and I have been involved in many high end Mopar Muscle car sales and it does add significant value to those cars. The actual value of the engine has nothing to do with anything and can not be compared to what other engines are selling for. It's the stupid matching numbers that are stamped on it that has all the value. If you ground the numbers off the engine you would then have a boat anchor. It also doesn't matter if it's a $100K resto or not, matching numbers adds significant value. And I would say on a Charger 500 it would be $10K or more. I also agree if the car owner is never going to sell the car then there is no reason to pay up for the engine. The guy who bought the engine to sell it and make a killing was taking a chance that it mattered or not to the car owner. In this case I do see that a long term owner might not care and the engine seller will probably have to take a small profit selling it to him. GOOD LUCK TO BOTH SIDES, as a Mopar enthusiast I would like to see the two reunited, it just seems right. You guys are close, make it happen!
Quote from: mopar4ever on May 11, 2008, 11:49:47 AM
You guys are close, make it happen!
I think Rick's been the one who has made the concerted effort to make something happen here. The eBay seller's "discount" from an astronomical price to a merely exhorbatant price doesn't count as "making something happen" :P
It'd be one thing if Rick was asking the guy to take a loss on his "investment". My guess is that the reluctance of the seller to do the right thing stems from a fear that Rick's C500 will end up on the selling block shortly thereafter with a higher price due to it's new-found status as (partially) numbers matching.
IMHO, there's no way that Rick's car becomes worth $70k vs. $60k simply because the original block is present with the car. The seller's threat to scrap the block is absolutely nothing more than saber rattling. If the guy makes his living buying/selling parts for purely profit motives while never letting personal feelings dictate his course, why on EARTH would he then threaten to scrapt the block for that very reason (letting his personal feelings dictate his course)? There's not much profit in scrapping a block that cost $1,300+/- for scrap prices. Counterintuitive, to say the least.
Rick's latest offer is more than fair to the seller since he gets to make a profit. If the hold-up is his fear of Rick making too much profit now by selling the C500, perhaps they can agree that if the car is sold within a particular time frame that Rick would slide some additional/agreed amount the seller's way. That should eliminate most any concern.
mopar4ever, you seem like you've got a decent perspective on the situation, and you'll have to forgive us skeptics for viewing any defense of the seller (especially from a board newcomer) in a jaded way. Here's my favorite sentence from your last post:
Quote from: mopar4ever on May 11, 2008, 11:49:47 AM
I also agree if the car owner is never going to sell the car then there is no reason to pay up for the engine.
Rick's the epitome of a long-term owner, and he's got the worn sheet metal and road trip photo-albums to prove he's no profit-motivated collector. 'Round here, we're all rooting for Rick to get his block back - but on reasonable terms rather than :hah: motor-napping
:cheers:
As a precaution Id call local scrap yards around his area. Tell them the story, fax them pics/info to post up and make it clear that if they get this engine and hold onto it it'll be worth their while. :Twocents:
I highly doubt that Frank would even actually consider scrapping the block considering what he has invested in it. If he is truthful about being in this hobby purely for money, then there is no way in the world that he would take a 4 figure loss on something in a span of a month. That would definitely not be a good way to provide for ones family, nor is it smart business.
Rick is definitely a long term type of person when it comes to these aero cars. Considering he bought his Superbird brand new, had a Daytona for probabaly close to 30 years, and has had the pair of 500's since I was just a baby in diapers. And of all those cars, and all the parts he has picked up over the years, I haven't heard of too awful many items ever being sent off to someone else (IE SELLING anything).
Quote from: Ghoste on May 10, 2008, 10:10:30 AM
I'm not even opposed to people making money on parts (that's how the free world works after all). Personally, I find this whole thing offensive because this guy knew the owner of the matching car was looking at it so he slipped in and sniped him for it and then turned around with an obscene markup knowing it was only worth a lot to one person. If he is into these parts as much as he says, then he already knows he overpaid for the engine in the first place from the point of view of someone who doesn't own the rest of the car. Then he wants to play the "Christian" card and now he threatens to scrap it since no one else is interested in an overpriced 440 block.
I shouldn't care since none of this has anything to do with me and despite a lot of posts that would show otherwise, I am not really a purist guy. This one just rankles me though because it's so blatant and opportunistic and wrong. Certain cars in this HOBBY deserve a special status and homologation specials like the 69 C500 are near the top of that list. :flame: :flame: :flame: :flame: :flame: :flame: :flame: :RantExplode: :RantExplode: :RantExplode:
I think what has been lost in all this (sadly being more the typical situation than not anymore) is this is supposed to be a
hobby, not a means to suppliment a retirement fund. That's what stocks, CDs and real estate are for (well not so much the real estate at the moment). When I go to shows now to try and find what few parts I may need, I see the rediculous prices guys are asking (and in many casees for total junk) anymore, but they figure they will eventually get it, because someone desperately needs it, or will buy it only to flip it to someone else for even more. Pretty soon, people won't go to swap meets or shows, because they just won't be fun. It will be too much like a business, and who the hell wants to work on the weekend, too! Sure, for some guys, it is their livelihood, but I'm guessing they got into it originally for the love and fun of it, not because they anticipated the
hobby would turn into big business and make them wealthy one day. Now too many speculators have stepped in, drven up prices, and those of us who really do love these cars can't afford what we want/need in most cases. I hope we are on the edge of a "collector car bubble," and that these big spenders are left with big losses when it pops, so it reminds them of what this is all about... that it's a hobby, not a way to get rich. Unfortunately, that could hurt some of the smaller guys who do use it as a means to live, but if they haven't been gouging people, they will probably be fine in the end. I guess that is my rant on the issue. I really do hope the hobby survives, and we can all make it more fun again. :cheers:
-Russ
Yep, one of the things I hate at the bigger swap meets is watching the guys on the atv's racing from spot to spot and going back and forth with the main base on the two way radios. They are generally dressed really clean and jump all over the guys wearing the greasy t's and ripped jeans buying the cheap parts from the hobbyist types to take directly over to their elaborate business type spots to resell at considerable markup from what it was just purchased for. Yes, yes, yes, yes, I fully realize that this is the American way (and I in no way advocate or want any form of auto communism) but I still remember when pretty much everybody at the swap meets were the greasy t and jeans guys and the only ones who were taken advantage of were the Chevy guys who wanted to just give away the Mopar "junk". It's as realistic as longing for cheap good gas and next years new musclecar and a dragstrip in every township but still...
Quote from: Ghoste on May 13, 2008, 08:24:53 AM
Yep, one of the things I hate at the bigger swap meets is watching the guys on the atv's racing from spot to spot and going back and forth with the main base on the two way radios. They are generally dressed really clean and jump all over the guys wearing the greasy t's and ripped jeans buying the cheap parts from the hobbyist types to take directly over to their elaborate business type spots to resell at considerable markup from what it was just purchased for. Yes, yes, yes, yes, I fully realize that this is the American way (and I in no way advocate or want any form of auto communism) but I still remember when pretty much everybody at the swap meets were the greasy t and jeans guys and the only ones who were taken advantage of were the Chevy guys who wanted to just give away the Mopar "junk". It's a realistic as longing for cheap good gas and next years new musclecar and a dragstrip in every township but still...
and thus the reason dodgecharger.com was born.... :icon_smile_big:
That's just a sped up version too really. We had clubs before but you had to wait for your newsletter. :icon_smile_wink:
:brickwall: Rumor has it - by good athority - the seller wants 1500 for the block, then he can build another'motor with the left over parts' and sell it to some other 'joe' for a outlandish price.
Now, some of you know me and this could be the straw that broke the camels back. (pack the bags but not enough of them to load the junk in) If it were ransom for a child, sure, but for a motor - volenteering in a hospice certainly puts things into prospective and a motor certainly isn't life or death. Good thing this God fearing man didn't get me on the phone or he would know where the sun doesn't shine. Often I've heard in my life ' don't cut off your nose to spite your face' - but I for one have a good sized 'nazzola', so does the Rick (as far as I know) Still room to trim it a little more.
I'd be telling the seller 'deliver it to my house and I'll be glad to give you what you paid for it, if it checks out'. It's called 'principles' something people need more often.
Reminds me why I filed a case for the average homebuying joe, fought it all the way to the Supreme Court, didn't get the hearing but I see a lot of happy smiles when I look in the mirror! I'll keep an eye on the owner of the 500 if you like and if anything should ever happen to him I'll get his wife to let me give you all first shot at everything. :Twocents:If you don't stop paying ransom at some time you'll just keep getting :flame:!!!
:RantExplode: :RantExplode: :RantExplode: :flame: :flame: lmao :icon_smile_big: :icon_smile_big: :cheers:
So fill us in here on the story then, what all happened last night? Enquiring minds want to know.
Oh and speaking of a shot, I take it that means my offer was rejected then huh? :2thumbs:
at this time - rejected yes on his way to the meet in June hope the birdie makes it :cheers:
all you need is the numbers matching block anyway @ 1500.00 I think that is reasonable , rick I think you should make the deal
I know in my shoes thats easy to say , but the car should get it's motor back and I think thats the best this guy is going to come down too. :Twocents:
Before I forked over $1500 for that though, I'd yank the heads & oil pan, so I could inspect the bores & main journals. There's still a chance that this block is wasted inside & even though it's numbers match the car, it could end up an expensive yard ornament/conversation piece.
"Rick is a longterm owner with no interest in investment potential" Paraphrased i know....
My point: Rick ROCKS :2thumbs: :coolgleamA: :icon_smile_big: :cheers:
Saw this engine on CL
wish my 440 would pop up :(
Maybe a members car?
curious as to how he would know the whole vin :shruggy:
did the 500's have a special sequence # range?
http://atlanta.craigslist.org/pts/821625657.html
Reply to: sale-821625657@craigslist.org [?]
Date: 2008-08-31, 10:47PM EDT
Needs rebuilt,
Came from a charger 500.
Hp2 engine,
Vin # XX29L9B238099
Call for info.
Frank 706 273 4283
* Location: Ellijay Georgia
* it's NOT ok to contact this poster with services or other commercial interests
PostingID: 821625657
Pretty sure that was this one from earlier in the year.
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,43228.0.html
The one for Rick's car.
Quote from: charger_fan_4ever on September 02, 2008, 06:00:23 PM
curious as to how he would know the whole vin :shruggy:
Up through somewhere in January of 1969, the entire VIN number was stamped on the engines and transmissions.
Quote from: hemigeno on September 02, 2008, 06:11:38 PM
Quote from: charger_fan_4ever on September 02, 2008, 06:00:23 PM
curious as to how he would know the whole vin :shruggy:
Up through somewhere in January of 1969, the entire VIN number was stamped on the engines and transmissions.
Ahhh Thanks
I thought it was just the sequence #.
Quote from: hemigeno on September 02, 2008, 06:11:38 PM
Quote from: charger_fan_4ever on September 02, 2008, 06:00:23 PM
curious as to how he would know the whole vin :shruggy:
Up through somewhere in January of 1969, the entire VIN number was stamped on the engines and transmissions.
true :yesnod: but early 69 cars such as a C500 would have been built late 68 ... & they recived the whole vin #
yes that would be ricks engine
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,43228.0.html
principle or not rick needs to buy the damn thing for $1500.
Quote from: tan top on September 02, 2008, 06:30:08 PM
Quote from: hemigeno on September 02, 2008, 06:11:38 PM
Quote from: charger_fan_4ever on September 02, 2008, 06:00:23 PM
curious as to how he would know the whole vin :shruggy:
Up through somewhere in January of 1969, the entire VIN number was stamped on the engines and transmissions.
true :yesnod: but early 69 cars such as a C500 would have been built late 68 ... & they recived the whole vin #
Yep, you're correct tantop. I neglected to spell out that the full VIN stampings started with the beginning of the '69 model year - which began in August of 1968. It ended sometime in January '69, depending on which Assembly Plant you're talking about.
:cheers:
Quote from: pettybird on September 02, 2008, 09:58:52 PM
principle or not rick needs to buy the damn thing for $1500.
I hope he can pick it up - maybe the seller will be a little more reasonable this time around. :yesnod:
I'm glad to see he still hasn't sold it. Did anyone else notice the ad in MCG where he makes it sound like he wants Rick to have it but Rick has turned him down? Technically true but without a few other details it gives the tale a whole new spin. :rotz:
I hope this guy grows some morals and lets the power plant go back home!!!
Quote from: hemigeno on September 02, 2008, 10:12:09 PMYep, you're correct tantop. I neglected to spell out that the full VIN stampings started with the beginning of the '69 model year - which began in August of 1968. It ended sometime in January '69, depending on which Assembly Plant you're talking about.
:cheers:
What happened after January '69?
I fired off rick an email hopefully he will contact him again ?
Quote from: PocketThunder on September 03, 2008, 07:51:19 AM
Quote from: hemigeno on September 02, 2008, 10:12:09 PMYep, you're correct tantop. I neglected to spell out that the full VIN stampings started with the beginning of the '69 model year - which began in August of 1968. It ended sometime in January '69, depending on which Assembly Plant you're talking about.
:cheers:
What happened after January '69?
For whatever reason, they truncated the VIN to just the year & plant designator, and the six digit sequence number (e.g. 9B412543 for my Daytona). Prior to that, you could tell what exact model of car the engine/tranny came from. After that, you couldn't really tell what it came from unless you knew the full VIN of the car with that sequence number from that assembly plant from that model year.
Typical Chrysler... something works fine, but they change it anyway :brickwall:
Quote from: hemigeno on September 03, 2008, 10:20:52 AM
Quote from: PocketThunder on September 03, 2008, 07:51:19 AM
Quote from: hemigeno on September 02, 2008, 10:12:09 PMYep, you're correct tantop. I neglected to spell out that the full VIN stampings started with the beginning of the '69 model year - which began in August of 1968. It ended sometime in January '69, depending on which Assembly Plant you're talking about.
:cheers:
What happened after January '69?
For whatever reason, they truncated the VIN to just the year & plant designator, and the six digit sequence number (e.g. 9B412543 for my Daytona). Prior to that, you could tell what exact model of car the engine/tranny came from. After that, you couldn't really tell what it came from unless you knew the full VIN of the car with that sequence number from that assembly plant from that model year.
Typical Chrysler... something works fine, but they change it anyway :brickwall:
Geno,,
Isn't that what MaMopar started to do with the stampings in 1970? I could swear that my '70 v-code Charger's stamping has the format like your Daytona's block.. Maybe this was a precursor to the '70 model year? After all, the Daytona was "supposed" to be a '70 model....
Paul, all the assembly plants started doing the truncated VIN stamping sometime in December '68 or January '69 (I know the St. Louis plant was stamping full VINs into at least the 2nd or 3rd week of 1969). That included all the models, not just Daytonas. I've seen a number of later-year Charger R/Ts and other B-bodies with the same shortened format. Another example is the fact that all of the A12 6-pack cars have the 9Axxxxxx format - none have the full VIN that I know of. It wasn't any special treatment given to the Daytonas.
After the mess of 1968 (did they stamp S.O. numbers or VINs? Depends on who you ask), someone at Chrysler obviously figured that the full VIN was the way to go. Stamping the full VIN probably took too much time on the part of the burp gun operator to spin the dials to the right numbers/letters for each model, since they intentionally mixed up their car lines in sequence to help with parts supplies. Stamping just the model year and the plant meant that they only had to change the last few number dials regularly. It very well could have been an accounting move to save money by truncating the stamping. Same way with the radiator yoke and trunk lip stamps - why do the full stamp when the partial stamp does the trick? Makes it harder for us now, but I doubt that thought even crossed their minds.
They stuck with the same format for a good while after the half-way point of 1969 or so, guess it worked for them.
Damn, i learn something new everyday.
thanks Gene :yesnod:
Quote from: pettybird on September 02, 2008, 09:58:52 PM
principle or not rick needs to buy the damn thing for $1500.
ABSOLUTELY RIGHT! ...at $1500
somebody will buy it if he doesn't
If it is at $1,500 then I'm sure rick will pick it up. I think that he had offered $1,500 for it previously, but at the time the owner of the block was thinking $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.
Quote from: 69_500 on September 03, 2008, 06:18:25 PM
If it is at $1,500 then I'm sure rick will pick it up. I think that he had offered $1,500 for it previously, but at the time the owner of the block was thinking $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.
The ad says $1500 on my screen... time is running out!
That is considerably less than before. Could he be coming around?
So it is know what 500 gets this engine? It has been matched? Any way, that engine is worth a pretty penny.
It's an ongoing saga.
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,43228.0.html
Hope he gets the block! :2thumbs:
Quote from: pettybird on September 02, 2008, 09:58:52 PM
principle or not rick needs to buy the damn thing for $1500.
:yesnod: yep
someone PM me his number and i'll bust his chops tomorrow.
i had it in my last phone, but it died...
email sent
So did ya call him today Doug?
Quote from: 69_500 on September 04, 2008, 08:24:46 PM
So did ya call him today Doug?
i would have but doug volenteered and i didnt figure i needed a 12 hour phone coversation :smilielol: :smilielol:
The engine is back on ebay now http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1969-Mopar-440-HP2-Dodge-Charger-500-XX29L9B238099-RT_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trkparmsZ39Q3a1Q7c66Q3a2Q7c65Q3a3Q7c240Q3a1318QQ_trksidZp3286Q2ec0Q2em14QQhashZitem270275847854QQitemZ270275847854
:popcrn:
The engine is back on ebay now http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1969-Mopar-440-HP2-Dodge-Charger-500-XX29L9B238099-RT_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trkparmsZ39Q3a1Q7c66Q3a2Q7c65Q3a3Q7c240Q3a1318QQ_trksidZp3286Q2ec0Q2em14QQhashZitem270275847854QQitemZ270275847854
Thought I would post it on both threads about this engine before someone else does...perhaps a merge is on the cards mods?
:popcrn:
i sure wish rick would buy it
A lesson for profiteers everywhere? :scratchchin:
It's funny how this old engine core with an unknown history & condition is still hanging around the classifieds. :lol:
For a 440 HP to be sitting around all these years without being used, I'll still go with my first post & say it's scrap metal.
IT'S BACK ON AGAIN http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1969-Mopar-440-HP2-Dodge-Charger-500-XX29L9B-plymouth_W0QQitemZ270326627259QQcmdZViewItemQQptZMotors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories?hash=item270326627259&_trksid=p4506.c0.m245&_trkparms=72%3A64%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318
Principles aside, regardless whether it is good or bad, the stampings make it worth the price to have it with the car. As I see it, even if you never did anything with it, just that it goes with the car is worth the asking price. It also takes away a future buyers objection to the car, that its NOM.
Quote from: DougSchellinger on January 09, 2009, 10:28:55 AM
Principles aside, regardless whether it is good or bad, the stampings make it worth the price to have it with the car. As I see it, even if you never did anything with it, just that it goes with the car is worth the asking price. It also takes away a future buyers objection to the car, that its NOM.
:yesnod: :yesnod: :yesnod: :yesnod: :yesnod: I totally agree
I would love to have this motor if the car it went in was long crushed and gone
I think they may be doomed to remain separated forever.
QuoteI would love to have this motor if the car it went in was long crushed and gone
if you want the motor make the guy an offer. the guy that has the car it goes with has had lots of opportunities to buy it . he don't want it . Rene
Quote from: BigBlockSam on January 09, 2009, 12:32:27 PM
QuoteI would love to have this motor if the car it went in was long crushed and gone
if you want the motor make the guy an offer. the guy that has the car it goes with has had lots of opportunities to buy it . he don't want it . Rene
I have known him too long and too well to buy it , I would never be able to put it in my car :Twocents:
This is rick the owner of the 500 in question , with his bird he bought brand new and my kid
Quote from: BigBlockSam on January 09, 2009, 12:32:27 PM
QuoteI would love to have this motor if the car it went in was long crushed and gone
if you want the motor make the guy an offer. the guy that has the car it goes with has had lots of opportunities to buy it . he don't want it . Rene
Why would a guy not want the numbers matching engine to his 500? :shruggy: :shruggy: :shruggy:
Quote from: WingCharger on January 10, 2009, 08:21:42 AM
Quote from: BigBlockSam on January 09, 2009, 12:32:27 PM
QuoteI would love to have this motor if the car it went in was long crushed and gone
if you want the motor make the guy an offer. the guy that has the car it goes with has had lots of opportunities to buy it . he don't want it . Rene
Why would a guy not want the numbers matching engine to his 500? :shruggy: :shruggy: :shruggy:
He's cheap
Just ran across and read the whole story about Rick's long lost motor. The price of $1500.00 seems reasonable to me. (If that is trully what the price is now) I agree with some of you in that he should have bought it on ebay or craigs when he had the chance. Also yes I agree that is is only work about $600.00 to anyone else. when you think about it you will spend $400.00 for a B-body 4-speed shifter, $250.00= for a set of 70 Charger front fender Blinkers then $1500.00 is really not all that bad for the block. So I hope the guy is down to $1500.00 for the block and Rick goes and inspects it, everything looks good and he loads it in his truck. however he will need to bring his wife so she can take the sellers pic. Cause I want to see the look on his face when rick pulls out of his drive way and flips him the bird :2thumbs: and I don't mean the Superbird.
If its down to $1,500, he should just buy the motor. Eventually the car will change hands and he owes it to the future new owner to pick up the block for the $1,500.
Wow
Quote from: 68charger383 on January 10, 2009, 06:18:14 PM
If its down to $1,500, he should just buy the motor. Eventually the car will change hands and he owes it to the future new owner to pick up the block for the $1,500.
He owes it too the car, and the hobby. The rare cars like the 500's and Daytona's are a way of looking back at a time when NASCAR really meant "National Association Of Stock Car Auto Racing", not something using tube frame cars. :pity:
The future of the hobby is directly reliant on rare cars like these, and they should be restored to the best level possible.
Just my :Twocents:.
Quote from: WingCharger on January 10, 2009, 07:59:21 PM
Quote from: 68charger383 on January 10, 2009, 06:18:14 PM
If its down to $1,500, he should just buy the motor. Eventually the car will change hands and he owes it to the future new owner to pick up the block for the $1,500.
He owes it too the car, and the hobby. The rare cars like the 500's and Daytona's are a way of looking back at a time when NASCAR really meant "National Association Of Stock Car Auto Racing", not something using tube frame cars. :pity:
The future of the hobby is directly reliant on rare cars like these, and they should be restored to the best level possible.
Just my :Twocents:.
well said :yesnod:
on a side note , still can't figure out how space frame cars ..can be called stock :horse: for nascar
Quote from: tan top on January 10, 2009, 08:07:36 PM
Quote from: WingCharger on January 10, 2009, 07:59:21 PM
Quote from: 68charger383 on January 10, 2009, 06:18:14 PM
If its down to $1,500, he should just buy the motor. Eventually the car will change hands and he owes it to the future new owner to pick up the block for the $1,500.
He owes it too the car, and the hobby. The rare cars like the 500's and Daytona's are a way of looking back at a time when NASCAR really meant "National Association Of Stock Car Auto Racing", not something using tube frame cars. :pity:
The future of the hobby is directly reliant on rare cars like these, and they should be restored to the best level possible.
Just my :Twocents:.
well said :yesnod:
on a side note , still can't figure out how space frame cars ..can be called stock :horse: for nascar
:iagree:
I think they should be homologlated, just like '69.
Lets have a new Daytona with a nose! :ricky: :stirthepot:
I don't think that would look weird. The noses on the old cars actually look okay by modern design standards, just not the wing.
(My bro says that hellaciuos wing should make the cars fly. :brickwall:)
It was also a time when racing directly affected car sales, so you better win! Race On Sunday, Sell On Monday!
I'm pretty sure Rick intends to take his cars with him. (when the time comes)
Quote from: Ghoste on January 10, 2009, 11:23:27 PM
I'm pretty sure Rick intends to take his cars with him. (when the time comes)
:smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: yeah but if he kicks the bucket first sherry will have them gone :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol:
...and it makes no sense why mrs. purse strings can't get her head around buying this.
this whole stupid thread should just be deleted. the only people who can't see the logic here are named Edwards.
O.K. D.C. - "mrs. purse strings' here
I shall send you the expense sheet and you can pull all the strings. How about you picking up the motor and we'll be glad to throw in the car for ahhhh lets say 60k. The strings are now in your corner. :cheers: :hah: :nana:
Hi talkiemopar, not to change the subject but how are you and Rick doing? Hope he is doing good after his surgery.
Steve
Quote from: talkiemopar on January 11, 2009, 10:37:02 PM
O.K. D.C. - "mrs. purse strings' here
I shall send you the expense sheet and you can pull all the strings. How about you picking up the motor and we'll be glad to throw in the car for ahhhh lets say 60k. The strings are now in your corner. :cheers: :hah: :nana:
go get him sherry :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol:
Quote from: talkiemopar on January 11, 2009, 10:37:02 PM
O.K. D.C. - "mrs. purse strings' here
I shall send you the expense sheet and you can pull all the strings. How about you picking up the motor and we'll be glad to throw in the car for ahhhh lets say 60k. The strings are now in your corner. :cheers: :hah: :nana:
when we see him in person and he goes on and on about how much money he's making selling random wing parts I don't care about balance sheets.
buying that motor and then selling the car with it at a later date is going to return more money than you'll see from any savings account in your lifetime.
:RantExplode: :shruggy: :Twocents:
WHAT SAVINGS ACCOUNT! Kids already blew it! :o :o :o :icon_smile_angry:
We're doing o.k. Ricks still kicking - now it's me. and the saga goes on.----------------------and on--------------------and ;D
Quote from: talkiemopar on January 12, 2009, 02:16:53 PM
:RantExplode: :shruggy: :Twocents:
WHAT SAVINGS ACCOUNT! Kids already blew it! :o :o :o :icon_smile_angry:
We're doing o.k. Ricks still kicking - now it's me. and the saga goes on.----------------------and on--------------------and ;D
make him go build some more pallets
As I said - We intended to leave the 500 to pettybird but ??????????????????? since he doesn't have the original motor why would he be interested in inherating the car?????????? :nana: :nana: :nana: :nana: :nana: :nana: :icon_smile_big:
p.s. Doug how about sending a little cash so I can buy gas to get to Lynchburg! : :pity: :pity: scratchchin: :scratchchin: :popcrn:
Quote from: talkiemopar on January 12, 2009, 02:30:30 PM
As I said - We intended to leave the 500 to pettybird but ??????????????????? since he doesn't have the original motor why would he be interested in inherating the car?????????? :nana: :nana: :nana: :nana: :nana: :nana: :icon_smile_big:
p.s. Doug how about sending a little cash so I can buy gas to get to Lynchburg! : :pity: :pity: scratchchin: :scratchchin: :popcrn:
does that mean dougs out and you can leave it to me now ? Please, and no butt out danny your not in on this one :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :nana:
Quote from: pettybird on January 11, 2009, 09:27:06 PM
...and it makes no sense why mrs. purse strings can't get her head around buying this.
this whole stupid thread should just be deleted. the only people who can't see the logic here are named Edwards.
Logic doesn't replace cash on hand. Plus, I am kinda pigheaded also. If some a$#hole bid on that motor just to hold it for ransom like he is, I would be stubborn enough to let him eat it. I'd just wait until he kicked the bucket and then buy it from his wife, who will most likely want to see all the "car junk" gone.
And I beleive I read that someone thinks they "owe it" to the next owner to buy this motor. Seems to me this guy will still have this motor if and when that ever happens. Isn't this about the third time he has listed this thing?
Another solution for one of you people concerned with this is to buy the motor and wait til the car goes up for sale. Seems you would get a 500 cheaper because it isn't numbers matching and add about $10,000 to the value of it just by pulling it to your place because you have the numbers matching motor. :Twocents:
Quote from: General_01 on January 12, 2009, 03:13:15 PM
Quote from: pettybird on January 11, 2009, 09:27:06 PM
...and it makes no sense why mrs. purse strings can't get her head around buying this.
this whole stupid thread should just be deleted. the only people who can't see the logic here are named Edwards.
Logic doesn't replace cash on hand. Plus, I am kinda pigheaded also. If some a$#hole bid on that motor just to hold it for ransom like he is, I would be stubborn enough to let him eat it. I'd just wait until he kicked the bucket and then buy it from his wife, who will most likely want to see all the "car junk" gone.
And I beleive I read that someone thinks they "owe it" to the next owner to buy this motor. Seems to me this guy will still have this motor if and when that ever happens. Isn't this about the third time he has listed this thing?
Another solution for one of you people concerned with this is to buy the motor and wait til the car goes up for sale. Seems you would get a 500 cheaper because it isn't numbers matching and add about $10,000 to the value of it just by pulling it to your place because you have the numbers matching motor. :Twocents:
this thread is eight pages long, and you obviously didn't read/comprehend much of it.
Seems the older we get (DC) and of course the two of us - the more impatient - we become. It becomes increasingly difficult to read pages and pages of type. Ho - Hum seems at least the 'general' has it right. :2thumbs:
oops! I forgot - Frank (guy with the motor) seems to wan to see pics of the car and a price :popcrn: :yesnod: Now do ya really think he'll really buy it? And then drop the motor in it and resell on e-bay for lets say 6 figures :drool5: and the yarn goes on ---- :cheers:
Quote from: pettybird on January 12, 2009, 05:56:06 PM
Quote from: General_01 on January 12, 2009, 03:13:15 PM
Quote from: pettybird on January 11, 2009, 09:27:06 PM
...and it makes no sense why mrs. purse strings can't get her head around buying this.
this whole stupid thread should just be deleted. the only people who can't see the logic here are named Edwards.
Logic doesn't replace cash on hand. Plus, I am kinda pigheaded also. If some a$#hole bid on that motor just to hold it for ransom like he is, I would be stubborn enough to let him eat it. I'd just wait until he kicked the bucket and then buy it from his wife, who will most likely want to see all the "car junk" gone.
And I beleive I read that someone thinks they "owe it" to the next owner to buy this motor. Seems to me this guy will still have this motor if and when that ever happens. Isn't this about the third time he has listed this thing?
Another solution for one of you people concerned with this is to buy the motor and wait til the car goes up for sale. Seems you would get a 500 cheaper because it isn't numbers matching and add about $10,000 to the value of it just by pulling it to your place because you have the numbers matching motor. :Twocents:
this thread is eight pages long, and you obviously didn't read/comprehend much of it.
Just so you know, I am the one who got this freight train going. I found the block for sale and pm'd Paul (PocketThunder) to see if it was his block. My next step would have been to pm Danny or Stuart to keep it under the radar. Paul started the thread instead and this is where it is at. Oh well. I will give you that I have not checked up on this thread in a while though, so maybe I should reread it.
Where is this motor now? I'll buy it and put it in a Camaro so we can get a newer, saucier thread started. ;)
Quote from: talkiemopar on January 12, 2009, 02:16:53 PMWe're doing o.k. Ricks still kicking - now it's me. and the saga goes on
Wait a second here Sherry, are you saying that now you have to go for an operation of some sort?
Quote from: Ghoste on January 13, 2009, 05:01:22 AM
Quote from: talkiemopar on January 12, 2009, 02:16:53 PMWe're doing o.k. Ricks still kicking - now it's me. and the saga goes on
Wait a second here Sherry, are you saying that now you have to go for an operation of some sort?
that is what i read into that statement also :shruggy:
Quote from: maxwellwedge on January 12, 2009, 09:42:23 PM
Where is this motor now? I'll buy it and put it in a Camaro so we can get a newer, saucier thread started. ;)
I'll go half on it with you just to end it.If the damn guy don't want it ,let it end. :Twocents:
Quote from: maxwellwedge on January 12, 2009, 09:42:23 PM
Where is this motor now? I'll buy it and put it in a Camaro so we can get a newer, saucier thread started. ;)
Did someone mention putting a 440 in a Camaro? ;D
Quote from: PocketThunder on January 13, 2009, 12:35:40 PM
Quote from: maxwellwedge on January 12, 2009, 09:42:23 PM
Where is this motor now? I'll buy it and put it in a Camaro so we can get a newer, saucier thread started. ;)
Did someone mention putting a 440 in a Camaro? ;D
What is it called now? Chevrolet Chargmaro? :icon_smile_big:
how about in this
Quote from: General_01 on January 13, 2009, 12:39:12 PM
Quote from: PocketThunder on January 13, 2009, 12:35:40 PM
Quote from: maxwellwedge on January 12, 2009, 09:42:23 PM
Where is this motor now? I'll buy it and put it in a Camaro so we can get a newer, saucier thread started. ;)
Did someone mention putting a 440 in a Camaro? ;D
For Sale: F6 Green, 440 um, um, um Chargero
What is it called now? Chevrolet Chargmaro? :icon_smile_big:
Quote from: moparstuart on January 13, 2009, 12:41:04 PM
how about in this
Stuart - Either you or I should put this :horse: out of it's misery... Since the C500 owner shows no real interest in the motor, you or I should try to get it for our C500s. I hate to take a chance on the conditon of the block, but would not hesitate if if was my C500's original block.
One way or another this :rant: needs to end... wanna flip for first try at buying the block? Maybe we could take a poll... :lol:
Allen
Quoteyou or I should try to get it for our C500s
:yesnod: yep
Quote from: BigBlockSam on January 13, 2009, 06:16:51 PM
Quoteyou or I should try to get it for our C500s
:yesnod: yep
:yesnod: :popcrn:
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on January 13, 2009, 06:11:31 PM
Quote from: moparstuart on January 13, 2009, 12:41:04 PM
how about in this
Stuart - Either you or I should put this :horse: out of it's misery... Since the C500 owner shows no real interest in the motor, you or I should try to get it for our C500s. I hate to take a chance on the conditon of the block, but would not hesitate if if was my C500's original block.
One way or another this :rant: needs to end... wanna flip for first try at buying the block? Maybe we could take a poll... :lol:
Allen
go ahead allen I know rick too well and could never put that motor in my car and feel good about it .
Oh and good to see you, hope all is well .
Quote from: moparstuart on January 14, 2009, 09:24:39 AM
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on January 13, 2009, 06:11:31 PM
Quote from: moparstuart on January 13, 2009, 12:41:04 PM
how about in this
Stuart - Either you or I should put this :horse: out of it's misery... Since the C500 owner shows no real interest in the motor, you or I should try to get it for our C500s. I hate to take a chance on the conditon of the block, but would not hesitate if if was my C500's original block.
One way or another this :rant: needs to end... wanna flip for first try at buying the block? Maybe we could take a poll... :lol:
Allen
go ahead allen I know rick too well and could never put that motor in my car and feel good about it .
Oh and good to see you, hope all is well .
I dont know any of you guys, and my car needs a block... Hmmm :scratchchin: :scratchchin: :nixon:
Quote from: PocketThunder on January 14, 2009, 11:28:52 AM
Quote from: moparstuart on January 14, 2009, 09:24:39 AM
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on January 13, 2009, 06:11:31 PM
Quote from: moparstuart on January 13, 2009, 12:41:04 PM
how about in this
Stuart - Either you or I should put this :horse: out of it's misery... Since the C500 owner shows no real interest in the motor, you or I should try to get it for our C500s. I hate to take a chance on the conditon of the block, but would not hesitate if if was my C500's original block.
One way or another this :rant: needs to end... wanna flip for first try at buying the block? Maybe we could take a poll... :lol:
Allen
go ahead allen I know rick too well and could never put that motor in my car and feel good about it .
Oh and good to see you, hope all is well .
I dont know any of you guys, and my car needs a block... Hmmm :scratchchin: :scratchchin: :nixon:
have at it paul , your car deserves it , no 500 should have a mobile home motr :smilielol:
Quote from: moparstuart on January 14, 2009, 12:24:45 PMI dont know any of you guys, and my car needs a block... Hmmm :scratchchin: :scratchchin: :nixon:
have at it paul , your car deserves it , no 500 should have a mobile home motr :smilielol:
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That one didnt pan out. I have a 73 Imperial 440 lined up for it.
Hey now...there's no shame in motor home motors :-\...*crys in corners*
:icon_smile_big: j/k I actually think my was out of an imperial too though I don't know how to check.
Oh well its incentive to start saving up for that new 440 hemi crate motor from Arrington. :drool5:
http://www.arringtonengines.com/p-1025-440-hemi-crate-engine-by-arrington-engines.aspx
Quote from: moparstuart on January 14, 2009, 09:24:39 AM
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on January 13, 2009, 06:11:31 PM
Quote from: moparstuart on January 13, 2009, 12:41:04 PM
how about in this
Stuart - Either you or I should put this :horse: out of it's misery... Since the C500 owner shows no real interest in the motor, you or I should try to get it for our C500s. I hate to take a chance on the conditon of the block, but would not hesitate if if was my C500's original block.
One way or another this :rant: needs to end... wanna flip for first try at buying the block? Maybe we could take a poll... :lol:
Allen
go ahead allen I know rick too well and could never put that motor in my car and feel good about it .
Oh and good to see you, hope all is well .
I will contact the seller and see
IF a deal can be worked out... I won't give his asking price, but will pay more than the block is worth as "just" a 1969 440 block... A lot depends on what I can find out about the condition of the block, there were claims & denials about the condition (.060 over, etc), but I do not know who to believe...
BTW, Rick E. previously gave his go-ahead to buy the motor... see attachment below.
Stuart - Thanks for the well wishes. I was totally tied up with work late last year, working 11-12 hours days for a while. Last year sucked for me and many of my friends, so on New Year's Eve I bought myself a new toy to get 2009 off to a better start... see attached pictures.
I hope I can buy the block, but think the chances of agreeing on a price with the seller are only 50/50...
Allen
I like your new toy. I keep pointing them out to my wife, but so far no luck for me. :-\
Hello Allen,
Just wondering if that new toy in the garage will be in St. Louis this September? Looks like something you and a old buddy from Iowa might take for a few laps around the track. :lol: Oh ya old Aero cars only on the track. Maybe we could be the pace car. ;D Probably not a good idea on second thought. OK we'll just take it when we go out to eat and reminisce on Saturday night. Seriously very nice.
Quote from: Davtona on January 14, 2009, 08:57:45 PM
Hello Allen,
Just wondering if that new toy in the garage will be in St. Louis this September? Looks like something you and a old buddy from Iowa might take for a few laps around the track. :lol: Oh ya old Aero cars only on the track. Maybe we could be the pace car. ;D Probably not a good idea on second thought. OK we'll just take it when we go out to eat and reminisce on Saturday night. Seriously very nice.
Dave registered and is posting... :faint: :faint: :faint: :faint: :faint:
Welcome to the forum Dave!!!
I will probably have it at the next show that I see you at, whether it St Louis or Talledega.
You even get to drive it... :yesnod:
Allen
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on January 14, 2009, 09:24:13 PM
Quote from: Davtona on January 14, 2009, 08:57:45 PM
Hello Allen,
Just wondering if that new toy in the garage will be in St. Louis this September? Looks like something you and a old buddy from Iowa might take for a few laps around the track. :lol: Oh ya old Aero cars only on the track. Maybe we could be the pace car. ;D Probably not a good idea on second thought. OK we'll just take it when we go out to eat and reminisce on Saturday night. Seriously very nice.
Dave registered and is posting... :faint: :faint: :faint: :faint: :faint:
Welcome to the forum Dave!!!
I will probably have it at the next show that I see you at, whether it St Louis or Talledega. You even get to drive it... :yesnod:
Allen
I thought that might get a reaction. Well at least you knew who it was. I'm planning on St. Louis. One things for sure it will be faster than our usual golf cart.
Ah now once again gone for a few days and I get cut in line by Stuart. I was hoping after DC I'd have a shot at those 500's that Rick has. See and I told my wife we should have stopped by for a visit last Sunday when we were there in Cincinatti.
Oh and side note, Allen and Dave both can ride in the 500 at Talladega if they don't get their cars going by then. Heck you two can take turns driving mine if ya want.
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Quote from: moparstuart on January 14, 2009, 09:24:39 AM
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Quote from: moparstuart on January 13, 2009, 12:41:04 PM
how about in this
Stuart - Either you or I should put this :horse: out of it's misery... Since the C500 owner shows no real interest in the motor, you or I should try to get it for our C500s. I hate to take a chance on the conditon of the block, but would not hesitate if if was my C500's original block.
One way or another this :rant: needs to end... wanna flip for first try at buying the block? Maybe we could take a poll... :lol:
Allen
go ahead allen I know rick too well and could never put that motor in my car and feel good about it .
Oh and good to see you, hope all is well .
I will contact the seller and see IF a deal can be worked out... I won't give his asking price, but will pay more than the block is worth as "just" a 1969 440 block... A lot depends on what I can find out about the condition of the block, there were claims & denials about the condition (.060 over, etc), but I do not know who to believe...
BTW, Rick E. previously gave his go-ahead to buy the motor... see attachment below.
Stuart - Thanks for the well wishes. I was totally tied up with work late last year, working 11-12 hours days for a while. Last year sucked for me and many of my friends, so on New Year's Eve I bought myself a new toy to get 2009 off to a better start... see attached pictures.
I hope I can buy the block, but think the chances of agreeing on a price with the seller are only 50/50...
Allen
so what would you do down the road when Rick's 500 changes hands and the new guy wants the motor? that's where I have trouble with this.
hell I don't have a '69 motor for my Daytona, either...
Quote from: pettybird on January 14, 2009, 10:45:48 PM
so what would you do down the road when Rick's 500 changes hands and the new guy wants the motor? that's where I have trouble with this.
hell I don't have a '69 motor for my Daytona, either...
easy, he can just be the next owner of Ricks C500.. :icon_smile_big:
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on January 14, 2009, 09:24:13 PM
Quote from: Davtona on January 14, 2009, 08:57:45 PM
Hello Allen,
Just wondering if that new toy in the garage will be in St. Louis this September? Looks like something you and a old buddy from Iowa might take for a few laps around the track. :lol: Oh ya old Aero cars only on the track. Maybe we could be the pace car. ;D Probably not a good idea on second thought. OK we'll just take it when we go out to eat and reminisce on Saturday night. Seriously very nice.
Dave registered and is posting... :faint: :faint: :faint: :faint: :faint:
Welcome to the forum Dave!!!
I will probably have it at the next show that I see you at, whether it St Louis or Talledega. You even get to drive it... :yesnod:
Allen
nice car allen , you deserve it . Good luck on the 440 motor hope you get an xx motor for your 500
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Quote from: moparstuart on January 14, 2009, 09:24:39 AM
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on January 13, 2009, 06:11:31 PM
Quote from: moparstuart on January 13, 2009, 12:41:04 PM
how about in this
Stuart - Either you or I should put this :horse: out of it's misery... Since the C500 owner shows no real interest in the motor, you or I should try to get it for our C500s. I hate to take a chance on the conditon of the block, but would not hesitate if if was my C500's original block.
One way or another this :rant: needs to end... wanna flip for first try at buying the block? Maybe we could take a poll... :lol:
Allen
go ahead allen I know rick too well and could never put that motor in my car and feel good about it .
Oh and good to see you, hope all is well .
I will contact the seller and see IF a deal can be worked out... I won't give his asking price, but will pay more than the block is worth as "just" a 1969 440 block... A lot depends on what I can find out about the condition of the block, there were claims & denials about the condition (.060 over, etc), but I do not know who to believe...
BTW, Rick E. previously gave his go-ahead to buy the motor... see attachment below.
Stuart - Thanks for the well wishes. I was totally tied up with work late last year, working 11-12 hours days for a while. Last year sucked for me and many of my friends, so on New Year's Eve I bought myself a new toy to get 2009 off to a better start... see attached pictures.
I hope I can buy the block, but think the chances of agreeing on a price with the seller are only 50/50...
Allen
so what would you do down the road when Rick's 500 changes hands and the new guy wants the motor? that's where I have trouble with this.
hell I don't have a '69 motor for my Daytona, either...
Me too... in the more than 9 months since this little drama started with the listing on eBay, I have thought about it a lot... and do not have a "great" answer, but here goes.........................
If I manage to buy the engine or just the block, the rebuilding will start almost immediately... no long storage to see if anyone buys the car from the current owner. At the apparent asking price of $60,000 for the XS29L9B238099 Charger 500, it could be a loooooooong time before it changes owners. I would fully document every penny spent of the purchase & rebuilding of the engine... and it would be available to a NEW owner of the C500 for the exact amount spent on it until the point it is installed in my C500. After installation in my C500, the cost would change to total costs for replacement, including the replacement being rebuilt, detailed, and installed by mechanics & restorers of MY choice. At that point it could be a bit costly... maybe over $10,000 to cover having others do all the work. No discounts for "wear & tear" while in my C500! ;)
I have also thought about "what if" the current owner puts the C500 up for sale, and wanted the engine then because a potential buyer is willing to give more $$$ for a number matching car... the answer to that request is a lot easier! I would be willing to trade even up for my C500's original engine in the same condition... :shruggy:
In the last 6 months that it has been clear that the only way the block & car will be reunited under the current owner is if someone gives the engine to him for free, I have hoped that one of the potential future owners of the C500 would buy the block "under the radar" and keep it stored for the day the C500 becomes available... but the $60K asking price probably puts a damper on that happening.
That is my best take on the situation... :popcrn: :popcrn: :popcrn:
Allen
Do many of you Daytona owners with the original 440 under the hood have full vin #'s on their blocks/trans? Every 69 440 car I own have only the partial vin....but then again they are all later built cars such as 'Tona's and 69-1/2's.
I guess the 500 motors/trannys are early enough for some to have the full vin. :scratchchin:
Quote from: maxwellwedge on January 15, 2009, 07:32:05 PM
I guess the 500 motors/trannys are early enough for some to have the full vin. :scratchchin:
Yep, my C500's transmission has the full VIN... scheduled production date was December 4, 1968...
Nov. 28th assembly....OK. I have an October 69 Hemi with the full VIN but that was Lynch Road who did a lot of stuff different than the other plants. Anyone else?
Hey everyone, did I miss anything in this exciting post today. :popcrn:
I got on here a little late because I called up our buddy Rick earlier, and your not goig to believe this but I just got off the phone a few minutes ago. :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol:
Anyway, is it my understanding that you are going to try and purchase this engine Allen? I know there are several of us that have thought about it, but like Stu said we wouldn't feel right. Rick and Sherry are very nice people and I don't think it's that they don't want the motor, it just comes down to spending money. I had really given it some serious thought because I had went and looked at the car before and have been wanting to buy it from Rick and Sherry. At the same time Rick may keep the car forever and you presently have got a C500 in need of an engine. It's too bad that Rick wouldn't have gotten it back when it first hit ebay, although then what would have to talk about. By the way how is your car coming along now? I hope you have some smooth sailing from now on.
WINGR/Steve
Oh yeah Allen, congrats on that nice new shiny toy in your garage. I was hoping I was going to get a blue R/T for Christmas, but even though it was gone from our local dealers lot on Christmas Eve., it wasn't at our house the next morning. Oh well, I guess Santa coudn't drive the car and the sleigh.
Take care,
WINGR/Steve
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on January 15, 2009, 07:13:37 PM
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Quote from: moparstuart on January 13, 2009, 12:41:04 PM
how about in this
Stuart - Either you or I should put this :horse: out of it's misery... Since the C500 owner shows no real interest in the motor, you or I should try to get it for our C500s. I hate to take a chance on the conditon of the block, but would not hesitate if if was my C500's original block.
One way or another this :rant: needs to end... wanna flip for first try at buying the block? Maybe we could take a poll... :lol:
Allen
go ahead allen I know rick too well and could never put that motor in my car and feel good about it .
Oh and good to see you, hope all is well .
I will contact the seller and see IF a deal can be worked out... I won't give his asking price, but will pay more than the block is worth as "just" a 1969 440 block... A lot depends on what I can find out about the condition of the block, there were claims & denials about the condition (.060 over, etc), but I do not know who to believe...
BTW, Rick E. previously gave his go-ahead to buy the motor... see attachment below.
Stuart - Thanks for the well wishes. I was totally tied up with work late last year, working 11-12 hours days for a while. Last year sucked for me and many of my friends, so on New Year's Eve I bought myself a new toy to get 2009 off to a better start... see attached pictures.
I hope I can buy the block, but think the chances of agreeing on a price with the seller are only 50/50...
Allen
so what would you do down the road when Rick's 500 changes hands and the new guy wants the motor? that's where I have trouble with this.
hell I don't have a '69 motor for my Daytona, either...
Me too... in the more than 9 months since this little drama started with the listing on eBay, I have thought about it a lot... and do not have a "great" answer, but here goes.........................
If I manage to buy the engine or just the block, the rebuilding will start almost immediately... no long storage to see if anyone buys the car from the current owner. At the apparent asking price of $60,000 for the XS29L9B238099 Charger 500, it could be a loooooooong time before it changes owners. I would fully document every penny spent of the purchase & rebuilding of the engine... and it would be available to a NEW owner of the C500 for the exact amount spent on it until the point it is installed in my C500. After installation in my C500, the cost would change to total costs for replacement, including the replacement being rebuilt, detailed, and installed by mechanics & restorers of MY choice. At that point it could be a bit costly... maybe over $10,000 to cover having others do all the work. No discounts for "wear & tear" while in my C500! ;)
I have also thought about "what if" the current owner puts the C500 up for sale, and wanted the engine then because a potential buyer is willing to give more $$$ for a number matching car... the answer to that request is a lot easier! I would be willing to trade even up for my C500's original engine in the same condition... :shruggy:
In the last 6 months that it has been clear that the only way the block & car will be reunited under the current owner is if someone gives the engine to him for free, I have hoped that one of the potential future owners of the C500 would buy the block "under the radar" and keep it stored for the day the C500 becomes available... but the $60K asking price probably puts a damper on that happening.
That is my best take on the situation... :popcrn: :popcrn: :popcrn:
Allen
way to merky for me !
i've got the cliffs notes for you--the motor and the car will never get together again.
Doug pretty much summed it up, with one exception. If someone else buys the engine now, and then waits 25 years to aquire the car from Sherrie then they might be reunited. :)
Quote from: maxwellwedge on January 15, 2009, 07:32:05 PM
Do many of you Daytona owners with the original 440 under the hood have full vin #'s on their blocks/trans? Every 69 440 car I own have only the partial vin....but then again they are all later built cars such as 'Tona's and 69-1/2's.
I guess the 500 motors/trannys are early enough for some to have the full vin. :scratchchin:
More than likely, the entire contingent of C500s were stamped with the full VIN, and none of the Daytonas were - although I didn't check 287970 for its VIN stamp. Maybe Danny remembers on that one :shruggy:
I do have a 4-speed transmission from XS29J9G199078 that was assembled in mid-January, and it has the full VIN. Apparently the changeover to partial VIN stamping happened sometime after that at the St. Louis plant anyway.
Quote from: pettybird on January 16, 2009, 12:29:52 PM
i've got the cliffs notes for you--the motor and the car will never get together again.
Quote from: 69_500 on January 16, 2009, 04:43:48 PM
Doug pretty much summed it up, with one exception. If someone else buys the engine now, and then waits 25 years to aquire the car from Sherrie then they might be reunited. :)
You are likely right Doug... its a shame though, the C500 & engine surviving all these years. Even with sentiments set aside, the financial side makes so much sense... at least to me.
Danny - I'll be in my late 70s in 25 years... with a little luck. Might be a plan for you though...
Looks like the engine surviving in a C500 relative is a better fate than being blown up in a race car, lost again never to be found, or the Camaro threat... :eek2: Just my :Twocents:
Allen
Quote from: WINGR on January 15, 2009, 10:28:11 PM
Hey everyone, did I miss anything in this exciting post today. :popcrn:
I got on here a little late because I called up our buddy Rick earlier, and your not goig to believe this but I just got off the phone a few minutes ago. :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol:
Anyway, is it my understanding that you are going to try and purchase this engine Allen? I know there are several of us that have thought about it, but like Stu said we wouldn't feel right. Rick and Sherry are very nice people and I don't think it's that they don't want the motor, it just comes down to spending money. I had really given it some serious thought because I had went and looked at the car before and have been wanting to buy it from Rick and Sherry. At the same time Rick may keep the car forever and you presently have got a C500 in need of an engine. It's too bad that Rick wouldn't have gotten it back when it first hit ebay, although then what would have to talk about. By the way how is your car coming along now? I hope you have some smooth sailing from now on.
WINGR/Steve
Quote from: WINGR on January 15, 2009, 11:10:52 PM
Oh yeah Allen, congrats on that nice new shiny toy in your garage. I was hoping I was going to get a blue R/T for Christmas, but even though it was gone from our local dealers lot on Christmas Eve., it wasn't at our house the next morning. Oh well, I guess Santa coudn't drive the car and the sleigh.
Take care,
WINGR/Steve
Hi Steve - Altough I have never met Rick & Sherry, I am sure that they are very nice folks. But deciding not to take the opportunity to reunite the engine AND make a future profit doing it seems to be a bad decision, although it is certainly their right to make that choice. After over 9 months, the current & potential owners do not considerate it a worthwhile investment. I paid $600 for my C500 in 1986, but happily paid more than that for the matching number transmission last year... all together I have spent over $40,000 on the C500 over the years (including being ripped off by the old body shop). The point being that what was paid in the 70s or 80s has little bearing on prices today, and having to pay a relatively small premium to the seller is a necessary evil... IMO.
The C500 is coming along well from reports... waiting on new pictures from the new body shop.
The new Challenger SRT is a blast to drive... and I haven't even hammered it yet! :drive:
BTW Steve, two posts in a row and no mention of your interest in Blue Thunder... :faint:
Allen
Quote from: hemigeno on January 16, 2009, 06:12:53 PM
Quote from: maxwellwedge on January 15, 2009, 07:32:05 PM
Do many of you Daytona owners with the original 440 under the hood have full vin #'s on their blocks/trans? Every 69 440 car I own have only the partial vin....but then again they are all later built cars such as 'Tona's and 69-1/2's.
I guess the 500 motors/trannys are early enough for some to have the full vin. :scratchchin:
More than likely, the entire contingent of C500s were stamped with the full VIN, and none of the Daytonas were - although I didn't check 287970 for its VIN stamp. Maybe Danny remembers on that one :shruggy:
I do have a 4-speed transmission from XS29J9G199078 that was assembled in mid-January, and it has the full VIN. Apparently the changeover to partial VIN stamping happened sometime after that at the St. Louis plant anyway.
My old Hemi 500 XS29J9B133981 still had its original trans and IIRC had the full VIN on it. It was an early "XS". I wonder if I have a pic somewhere? It belongs to a member on this board - maybe he can chime in?
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,27361.msg299429/topicseen.html#msg299429
(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b229/Annie75414/tagHemi.jpg)
Yup - That's my ftag pic I sent in either here or Moparts a few years ago. I believe the owners name is Carl - He contacted me during the resto trying to trace back the cars ownership history. Do we have a pic of the trans vin? nascarxx29 - you are the man for finding links fast! :2thumbs:
Hey Allen,
Hey go for it - being seniors ( 65 and 67 yrs. young) doesn't give us much time to have an 'investment' interest for the motor. We only quoted 'Frank' the -generous- 60K to get a knee jerk reaction to our 'price', since he originally asked 4k for the motor. Of Course at 60k we would definitely sell it. :icon_smile_tongue: Now, we do have another 500 in the garage that we're not as interested in keeping as we are the bronze one. Make Frank an offer and good luck. We just don't see why an XX motor makes a car worth more - only mine - ????
Later R and S
Quote from: talkiemopar on January 16, 2009, 08:29:24 PM
Hey Allen,
Hey go for it - being seniors ( 65 and 67 yrs. young) doesn't give us much time to have an 'investment' interest for the motor. We only quoted 'Frank' the -generous- 60K to get a knee jerk reaction to our 'price', since he originally asked 4k for the motor. Of Course at 60k we would definitely sell it. :icon_smile_tongue: Now, we do have another 500 in the garage that we're not as interested in keeping as we are the bronze one. Make Frank an offer and good luck. We just don't see why an XX motor makes a car worth more - only mine - ????
Later R and S
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Quote from: talkiemopar on January 16, 2009, 08:29:24 PM
We just don't see why an XX motor makes a car worth more - only mine - ????
Later R and S
well DUHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
have him sell some of those stupid diecasts and buy the damn thing. f'ing toys are WORTHLESS compared to this motor!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
he even has a '69 440HP sitting next to the car that can go. that would be HALF the money at least!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
again, Troy might as well delete this thread as the only people it doesn't make sense to is Rick. we COLLECTIVELY don't understand why you won't get rid of some of your SHIT for this motor. every toy in my possession would go away for the #'s match transmission in my B5 car OR the motor for my Daytona. none of us but you understand why you're being weird about this.
keep in mind i'm drunk right now, but that doesn't make me wrong.
and don't bring up 'telling my mom' because she doesn't why you're being stubborn about this, either. she would GLADLY give up parts she doesn't need for her cars AND she's obviously not getting any return on her investment either!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111111111111!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Is this the same guy? The name to call says Frank and he is selling all of his Mopar stash for $15,000.
http://atlanta.craigslist.org/pts/989336096.html
You know,if the damn thing was closer I'd buy it and put it in my truck. ::)
Maxwellwedge have you seen Carl's car (your old 500) since it has been restored. Its a very nice car now.
I think that my wife would have a fit if I bought the engine and just left it in the garage for the next 25 years, but its a thought. But considering our Durango was totalled yesterday today probably wouldn't be the best day to ask about spending that kind of money on it right now.
yes it is the same Frank ......Rick
So he wanted $4K for the engine at one time, now he just wants $15K for the engine, plus all of the other stuff he has. Seems he has realized that he isn't sitting on gold mine anymore.
Good, he set out to take advantage of someone else and ended up on the short end. If the lesson has been learned then I hope he is able to send all of his parts to a good home.
One might think that if he truly is an "addictforchrist" that he might also be selling all the parts in one lump sum to support a foreign missionary as well. But for some reason I doubt that one.
back up again no reserve
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1969-Mopar-440-HP2-Dodge-Charger-500-XX29L9B-plymouth_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trkparmsZ66Q3a2Q7c65Q3a10Q7c39Q3a1Q7c240Q3a1318QQ_trksidZp3286Q2ec0Q2em14QQhashZitem280307403126QQitemZ280307403126QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories
Quote from: hemigeno on January 16, 2009, 06:12:53 PM
Quote from: maxwellwedge on January 15, 2009, 07:32:05 PM
Do many of you Daytona owners with the original 440 under the hood have full vin #'s on their blocks/trans? Every 69 440 car I own have only the partial vin....but then again they are all later built cars such as 'Tona's and 69-1/2's.
I guess the 500 motors/trannys are early enough for some to have the full vin. :scratchchin:
More than likely, the entire contingent of C500s were stamped with the full VIN, and none of the Daytonas were - although I didn't check 287970 for its VIN stamp. Maybe Danny remembers on that one :shruggy:
I do have a 4-speed transmission from XS29J9G199078 that was assembled in mid-January, and it has the full VIN. Apparently the changeover to partial VIN stamping happened sometime after that at the St. Louis plant anyway.
Dana's full VIN is on the block and tranny pad........
Quote from: moparstuart on January 30, 2009, 08:42:57 AM
back up again no reserve
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1969-Mopar-440-HP2-Dodge-Charger-500-XX29L9B-plymouth_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trkparmsZ66Q3a2Q7c65Q3a10Q7c39Q3a1Q7c240Q3a1318QQ_trksidZp3286Q2ec0Q2em14QQhashZitem280307403126QQitemZ280307403126QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories
Well now some one can finally buy it and get it in good hands. :popcrn:
I have but one more very mean spirited wish and that would be for the sniper to end up selling it for less than he paid. Shame on me but... :P
Quote from: Ghoste on January 30, 2009, 10:25:09 AM
I have but one more very mean spirited wish and that would be for the sniper to end up selling it for less than he paid. Shame on me but... :P
I just bid $400 but its not enough. Are you saying the current high bidders max is around $1500...?... :scratchchin: :shruggy: :slap:
Quote from: PocketThunder on January 30, 2009, 12:53:03 PM
Quote from: Ghoste on January 30, 2009, 10:25:09 AM
I have but one more very mean spirited wish and that would be for the sniper to end up selling it for less than he paid. Shame on me but... :P
I just bid $400 but its not enough. Are you saying the current high bidders max is around $1500...?... :scratchchin: :shruggy: :slap:
no $ 500 is the current biddrs hi bid :whistling: :whistling: :whistling:
$750 now! :nana:
it's showing at $510 right now and reserve has been met. High bidder will own it. :popcrn:
And if 500 was all he wanted just to get out from under his poor idea, he should have offered it to Rick for 500 bucks with an apology.
Quote from: Kiwi68 on January 30, 2009, 03:47:25 PM
it's showing at $510 right now and reserve has been met. High bidder will own it. :popcrn:
Lets hope the shill bidders dont bump it out of reach for Doug then.. 8)
Quote from: PocketThunder on January 30, 2009, 04:07:22 PM
Quote from: Kiwi68 on January 30, 2009, 03:47:25 PM
it's showing at $510 right now and reserve has been met. High bidder will own it. :popcrn:
Lets hope the shill bidders dont bump it out of reach for Doug then.. 8)
He says he is selling locally and reserves the right to pull the auction. If bidding isn't as high as he wants near the end, I hope he doesn't just pull the auction because he wants more.
Quote from: PocketThunder on January 30, 2009, 04:07:22 PM
Quote from: Kiwi68 on January 30, 2009, 03:47:25 PM
it's showing at $510 right now and reserve has been met. High bidder will own it. :popcrn:
Lets hope the shill bidders dont bump it out of reach for Doug then.. 8)
right! none of you DC.com shill bidders touch it!
I still want the engine to go to Rick. if it ends near where I've bid the motor's still his. READ: RICK DO NOT OUTBID ME.
Quote from: pettybird on January 30, 2009, 04:30:02 PM
Quote from: PocketThunder on January 30, 2009, 04:07:22 PM
Quote from: Kiwi68 on January 30, 2009, 03:47:25 PM
it's showing at $510 right now and reserve has been met. High bidder will own it. :popcrn:
Lets hope the shill bidders dont bump it out of reach for Doug then.. 8)
right! none of you DC.com shill bidders touch it!
I still want the engine to go to Rick. if it ends near where I've bid the motor's still his. READ: RICK DO NOT OUTBID ME.
DOUGY wants to trade it to rick for his daytona parts
I still think the motor is junk. Why would it ever be discarded in the first place? :Twocents:
Quote from: Old Moparz on January 30, 2009, 04:41:49 PM
I still think the motor is junk. Why would it ever be discarded in the first place? :Twocents:
yeah , makes you wonder :scratchchin: , could just be back in the day it was pulled for a noisey botem end , & some one who ever had access to a then low milage 440 motor , 1/2 day sawp..job done
oh at the risk of sounding thick ..what shill bid on ebay mean :shruggy: :scratchchin:
Quote from: tan top on January 30, 2009, 04:46:34 PM
Quote from: Old Moparz on January 30, 2009, 04:41:49 PM
I still think the motor is junk. Why would it ever be discarded in the first place? :Twocents:
yeah , makes you wonder :scratchchin: , could just be back in the day it was pulled for a noisey botem end , & some one who ever had access to a then low milage 440 motor , 1/2 day sawp..job done
oh at the risk of sounding thick ..what shill bid on ebay mean :shruggy: :scratchchin:
the owner of the auctions or his friends bid the part up to where they want it to sell for
Quotethe owner of the auctions or his friends bid the part up to where they want it to sell for
Which is probably what's gonna happen.
Quote from: moparstuart on January 30, 2009, 04:59:07 PM
Quote from: tan top on January 30, 2009, 04:46:34 PM
Quote from: Old Moparz on January 30, 2009, 04:41:49 PM
I still think the motor is junk. Why would it ever be discarded in the first place? :Twocents:
yeah , makes you wonder :scratchchin: , could just be back in the day it was pulled for a noisey botem end , & some one who ever had access to a then low milage 440 motor , 1/2 day sawp..job done
oh at the risk of sounding thick ..what shill bid on ebay mean :shruggy: :scratchchin:
the owner of the auctions or his friends bid the part up to where they want it to sell for
oh right thanks Stuart .. :2thumbs: falsley inflate the price thats not fair :RantExplode:
Quote from: moparstuart on January 30, 2009, 04:59:07 PM
Quote from: tan top on January 30, 2009, 04:46:34 PM
Quote from: Old Moparz on January 30, 2009, 04:41:49 PM
I still think the motor is junk. Why would it ever be discarded in the first place? :Twocents:
yeah , makes you wonder :scratchchin: , could just be back in the day it was pulled for a noisey botem end , & some one who ever had access to a then low milage 440 motor , 1/2 day sawp..job done
oh at the risk of sounding thick ..what shill bid on ebay mean :shruggy: :scratchchin:
the owner of the auctions or his friends bid the part up to where they want it to sell for
No Sh!t Sherlock!!! :icon_smile_big: :icon_smile_big: :icon_smile_big:
Hey doug, I'm willing to chip in if ya want. I want Rick to get the engine back. I have no use for it, as I don't have the car yet. Can't get a shot at it, he won't sell it to me. I'll pony up $400.
i got outbid. shilling at its finest, I'm sure.
Well, its just a little over two days left on the auction, so who is going to be the hero who buys it for Rick?
Several weeks ago after receiving a go-ahead from Rick, I planned to contact the seller... but received a phone call from a forum member to give Rick "more time". Although I told him that seemed an odd request since this little drama had been going on for well over a year, but I decided to wait another two weeks.
Then last week the engine showed up on eBay again, this time without a reserve. I contacted the seller for the first time late last week, and after some discussion we started to converge on a price. We were still a ways off from a deal, but mainly due to the crating & shipping costs involved. In preparation to make the seller a "best and final offer", I tried to get a good handle on the shipping costs. I posted this thread on Moparts on Friday:
http://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=4986874&an=0&page=1#Post4986874
Then yesterday (Saturday) I checked out the new thread on "Bogus cars, Clones, & Outright Fraud??" and was stunned to see my plans mentioned in the first post. Athough the thread starter has since explained that the title and parts of his post were not the best choice of words, and that using the engine would not be fraud (Whew... :-\ ), the fact remains that I would be in for grief from some folks for having "Rick's 440". Altogether I have been contacted by six forum members in the 15 months or so since the engine first surfaced and asked to "give Rick more time". Of the six, one later told me that I had waited long enough and should buy the engine.
So, I decided yesterday not to buy the XX29L9B238099 engine because I don't need more headaches in my life... Although Rick never contacted me about the engine, I understand his position on not buying it a lot more than those that think it would be a "crime" or somehow question my motives in wanting to use the engine in my C500 XX29L9B238071.
So the clock is ticking guys... time for someone (or a group of someones) to step forward and buy the engine for Rick. If you don't do it now, the engine will probably drop out of sight again... or be used in who knows what.
Allen
Allen don't ever let something stupid that I wrote influence your decision. I typed that as a random example for illustrative purposes to introduce some debate on restoration practices today.
Personally I think you SHOULD buy it if Rick isn't.
I hope petty bird gets it
Quote from: moparstuart on January 30, 2009, 04:59:07 PM
Quote from: tan top on January 30, 2009, 04:46:34 PM
Quote from: Old Moparz on January 30, 2009, 04:41:49 PM
I still think the motor is junk. Why would it ever be discarded in the first place? :Twocents:
yeah , makes you wonder :scratchchin: , could just be back in the day it was pulled for a noisey botem end , & some one who ever had access to a then low milage 440 motor , 1/2 day sawp..job done
oh at the risk of sounding thick ..what shill bid on ebay mean :shruggy: :scratchchin:
the owner of the auctions or his friends WILL bid the part up to where they want it to sell for
Fixed it for you
i'm already outbid. I never should have posted what my bid was--you know for certain this thread is being watched.
that $760 is bullshit, and everyone here knows it.
we'll see where it goes.
I'll agree, it wasn't too long after you made the post of $750 that the bid went up to $760. What was the lag time a couple of hours? If we didn't have to go out and buy a new car tomorrow I would be all for buying the engine if for nothing else than to have it sitting in my garage. Could i then claim to have 1 1/2 Charger 500's? JK
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1969-Mopar-440-HP2-Dodge-Charger-500-XX29L9B-plymouth_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trkparmsZ66Q3a2Q7c65Q3a10Q7c39Q3a1Q7c240Q3a1318QQ_trksidZp3286Q2ec0Q2em14QQhashZitem280307403126QQitemZ280307403126QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories
$815 with 9 hours left.. :popcrn:
911 now shill bidders with low feed back numbers :Twocents:
NO rick i am not going to bid on your motor , buy it and put it in the trunk of your 500 please
I love ya rick , but no way in hell am i calling you in the middle of the day from work . I would never get off the phone :smilielol: :smilielol:
I have a funny feeling it's going to bid to around $1450...
odd how no one wanted it before but now it's a thousand dollar motor.
FRANK YOU'RE A GIANT DOUCHE. that doesn't let the Ricker off the hook, but it's true.
Quote from: pettybird on February 03, 2009, 04:12:27 PM
FRANK YOU'RE A GIANT DOUCHE.
And
that's worth an Amen brother!!
Quote from: pettybird on February 03, 2009, 04:12:27 PM
I have a funny feeling it's going to bid to around $1450...
odd how no one wanted it before but now it's a thousand dollar motor.
FRANK YOU'RE A GIANT DOUCHE. that doesn't let the Ricker off the hook, but it's true.
auction will end early
I know your watching rick
who me ::) :icon_smile_question:
Hey Rick, can't you just trade Frank a bunch of diecast's for that old motor? :smilielol:
How y'all doing down there buddy, hope all is well.
WINGR/Steve
SOLD $1125.00
:scratchchin:
we shall see if it really sold ??
It's a miracle, is this saga finally over. :ohhthesarcasm:
After talking to rick for an hour yesterday ( yes only and hour) I understand that he just didnt have the money to buy the motor. You could tell he really wants the motor , but with all kinds of medical bills at this time. He had to think of his family first . They have been helping out there son who had surgery , rick had surgery and sherry is having health problems also .
Which is ultimately the right decision to make. So, should we start a pool for when it comes up on the bag again?
Quote from: moparstuart on February 04, 2009, 09:14:24 AM
After talking to rick for an hour yesterday ( yes only and hour) I understand that he just didnt have the money to buy the motor. You could tell he really wants the motor , but with all kinds of medical bills at this time. He had to think of his family first . They have been helping out there son who had surgery , rick had surgery and sherry is having health problems also .
i understand, but he has other stuff he doesn't need that WOULD sell. you offered him 2 grand for the rusted out nose--that leaves him with a motor and $800 clear. if he had no money, no parts and no way to get the money it would be another story. there's a '69 440HP sitting next to the 500 that's not needed, a barn full of parts and a house full of toys. any of my spare crap would gladly be auctioned off for my original parts.
I'll be purging myself of parts to throw the 5.7 hemi in Marty.
2000+ feedbacks says the motor might actually go away this time. what a shame.
Quote from: pettybird on February 04, 2009, 04:26:47 PM
Quote from: moparstuart on February 04, 2009, 09:14:24 AM
After talking to rick for an hour yesterday ( yes only and hour) I understand that he just didnt have the money to buy the motor. You could tell he really wants the motor , but with all kinds of medical bills at this time. He had to think of his family first . They have been helping out there son who had surgery , rick had surgery and sherry is having health problems also .
i understand, but he has other stuff he doesn't need that WOULD sell. you offered him 2 grand for the rusted out nose--that leaves him with a motor and $800 clear. if he had no money, no parts and no way to get the money it would be another story. there's a '69 440HP sitting next to the 500 that's not needed, a barn full of parts and a house full of toys. any of my spare crap would gladly be auctioned off for my original parts.
I'll be purging myself of parts to throw the 5.7 hemi in Marty.
2000+ feedbacks says the motor might actually go away this time. what a shame.
Unless a friend is being a Mopar Santa, I believe the engine is now long gone... a wasted once in a lifetime opportunity. Certainly not important when compared to health issues, but a full year is a lot of time to arrange funding IMO.
The final bid amount is just slighty less than the seller told me would take, and he later said he would consider an offer. We also talked about trades, even partial trades. He seemed to be receptive to a variety of solutions that would limit the loss that he knew he would take on the motor deal.
The best hope other than a Mopar Santa friend is that a prospective future owner of the C500 bought the engine for that eventuality. Other possibilities are a new investor who will advertise the engine for another year, or worse yet that it will end up in a hotrod being flogged down the strip on "NOZZ".
Whoever he is, the bidder seems like a legit buyer based on his feedback level and bid activity... see image below.
So now, where are all the cheap 1969 date code correct standard bore 440 HP engines that I was told by some folks are available for a fraction what this one sold for...
XS
:popcrn: :popcrn: :popcrn:
Quote from: xs29j8Bullitt on February 04, 2009, 07:47:28 PM
Quote from: pettybird on February 04, 2009, 04:26:47 PM
Quote from: moparstuart on February 04, 2009, 09:14:24 AM
After talking to rick for an hour yesterday ( yes only and hour) I understand that he just didnt have the money to buy the motor. You could tell he really wants the motor , but with all kinds of medical bills at this time. He had to think of his family first . They have been helping out there son who had surgery , rick had surgery and sherry is having health problems also .
i understand, but he has other stuff he doesn't need that WOULD sell. you offered him 2 grand for the rusted out nose--that leaves him with a motor and $800 clear. if he had no money, no parts and no way to get the money it would be another story. there's a '69 440HP sitting next to the 500 that's not needed, a barn full of parts and a house full of toys. any of my spare crap would gladly be auctioned off for my original parts.
I'll be purging myself of parts to throw the 5.7 hemi in Marty.
2000+ feedbacks says the motor might actually go away this time. what a shame.
Unless a friend is being a Mopar Santa, I believe the engine is now long gone... a wasted once in a lifetime opportunity. Certainly not important when compared to health issues, but a full year is a lot of time to arrange funding IMO.
The final bid amount is just slighty less than the seller told me would take, and he later said he would consider an offer. We also talked about trades, even partial trades. He seemed to be receptive to a variety of solutions that would limit the loss that he knew he would take on the motor deal.
The best hope other than a Mopar Santa friend is that a prospective future owner of the C500 bought the engine for that eventuality. Other possibilities are a new investor who will advertise the engine for another year, or worse yet that it will end up in a hotrod being flogged down the strip on "NOZZ".
Whoever he is, the bidder seems like a legit buyer based on his feedback level and bid activity... see image below.
So now, where are all the cheap 1969 date code correct standard bore 440 HP engines that I was told by some folks are available for a fraction what this one sold for...
XS
if you find a couple of those cheap correct dated engines allen I need one also
there's one sitting in KY next to the 500...
there is one sitting about 10 miles from my house, for $100. I just need to go get it. :icon_smile_big: Its a bare block only that need .060 over. :icon_smile_blackeye:
Quote from: PocketThunder on February 05, 2009, 02:25:13 PM
there is one sitting about 10 miles from my house, for $100. I just need to go get it. :icon_smile_big: Its a bare block only that need .060 over. :icon_smile_blackeye:
nice boat anchor , I want one that wont over heat :icon_smile_big: :icon_smile_big:
Quote from: moparstuart on February 05, 2009, 02:30:59 PM
Quote from: PocketThunder on February 05, 2009, 02:25:13 PM
there is one sitting about 10 miles from my house, for $100. I just need to go get it. :icon_smile_big: Its a bare block only that need .060 over. :icon_smile_blackeye:
nice boat anchor , I want one that wont over heat :icon_smile_big: :icon_smile_big:
sleeve it. the B5 car has no issues. there's close to 30k miles on it since the rebuild in '99.
If it was my original block yes i would sleeve it , but not if it's just a replacement , I will keep looking for a good one
Quote from: moparstuart on February 05, 2009, 02:30:59 PM
Quote from: PocketThunder on February 05, 2009, 02:25:13 PM
there is one sitting about 10 miles from my house, for $100. I just need to go get it. :icon_smile_big: Its a bare block only that need .060 over. :icon_smile_blackeye:
nice boat anchor , I want one that wont over heat :icon_smile_big: :icon_smile_big:
The only way to tell whether or not there's a problem with an .060 overbore is to sonic test the cylinder walls. Everyone ASSUMES that .060 is the limit, when some blocks can take well in excess of that dimension. It all depends on how the block was cast, and whether there was any shifting of the sand cores during the casting of the block. Some blocks are iffy at standard bore for that reason alone, although that's pretty rare.
:Twocents:
There is a 1975 Motorhome 440 for sale near me for $500. Longblock, advertised on a piece of plywood as "1975 440. Full Engine. $500." :cheers:
Too expensive for me. :icon_smile_big:
Quote from: WingCharger on February 05, 2009, 06:27:56 PM
There is a 1975 Motorhome 440 for sale near me for $500. Longblock, advertised on a piece of plywood as "1975 440. Full Engine. $500." :cheers:
Too expensive for me. :icon_smile_big:
I have a forged crank '72 motor and 727 transmission I'd let go for less than that... I need it out of the driveway, but you can't beat it for garage security--it's blocking the Petty car's door.
Well guys... Something crazy... I'm the one buying the XX 440. I didn't think Rick was going to bid on it, so I bid (and he said he didn't)...
I currently NEED a running 440 for a '70 Charger. I WAS planning to purchase THIS: http://philadelphia.craigslist.org/pts/1015167783.html initially.
I'm thinking about doing a Dayclona out of the '70, and thought it would be a novelty to do the XX VIN engine... SO anyway... I talked to Rick tonight and we have a tentative arrangement to trade the engine for the '70 engine he has in his C500 >>>IF IF IF one of you would be so kind as to help me re-build the '70 block. With my gas from Dallas I will end up being into the XX engine as much as that rebuilt '69... THEN I have to drive up to Ricks to get the '70 engine... Is there anyone in N. Texas that can re-build the '70 for me (I buy parts)? I'm not a machinist, nor do I have the tools to do it, AND I am on a budget.
Above all I will remain "open-minded" on this, and really WANT the engine with it's rightful vehicle.
I have not sent the money yet. I am very apprehensive on purchasing an engine that was replaced by Chrysler warranty. I'd like to drive out and have an engine shop check it out?
Quote from: Charger Aficionado on February 12, 2009, 08:10:12 PM
Well guys... Something crazy... I'm the one buying the XX 440. I didn't think Rick was going to bid on it, so I bid (and he said he didn't)...
I currently NEED a running 440 for a '70 Charger. I WAS planning to purchase THIS: http://philadelphia.craigslist.org/pts/1015167783.html initially.
I'm thinking about doing a Dayclona out of the '70, and thought it would be a novelty to do the XX VIN engine... SO anyway... I talked to Rick tonight and we have a tentative arrangement to trade the engine for the '70 engine he has in his C500 >>>IF IF IF one of you would be so kind as to help me re-build the '70 block. With my gas from Dallas I will end up being into the XX engine as much as that rebuilt '69... THEN I have to drive up to Ricks to get the '70 engine... Is there anyone in N. Texas that can re-build the '70 for me (I buy parts)? I'm not a machinist, nor do I have the tools to do it, AND I am on a budget.
Above all I will remain "open-minded" on this, and really WANT the car with it's rightful vehicle.
I have not sent the money yet. I am very apprehensive on purchasing an engine that was replaced by Chrysler warranty. I'd like to drive out and have an engine shop check it out?
Jude you are a good man... :cheers:
Unfortunately i'm not in Texas to help out. . :popcrn:
very cool I hope it all works out and rick gets the motor ? we shall see
Quote from: moparstuart on February 12, 2009, 09:44:26 PM
very cool I hope it all works out and rick gets the motor ? we shall see
I WANT him to have the Engine. We just need to do some "HORSE TRADIN'"!
Here's the thing... I think it is a huge risk. I offered him the engine unconditionally for the '70 engine, (no money just swap). He was reluctant to offer to unconditionally trade (in case XX engine is damaged from the time it was warranty swaped). I doubt it's ruined. These engines are TOUGH.
To make it work for ME: I have to have someone down south (preferably in N.Tx) to be able to "rebuild" the '70 engine if they have the tools and "know how" to re-build. Rick has to Unconditionally offer to swap for complete '70 engine (especially since I'm offering to drive all the way up to him).
I am in Dallas and don't have ANY engine rebuilding resources here. I COULD/WOULD consider leaving it in another southern state if someone came forward.
So far I'll be doing A LOT of driving. Flying to Utah for a NICE '93 Ramcharger I'm buying. Drive to Washington for the '70 Charger I'm picking up, back down to Merced, Ca to drop off Charger for paint, over all the way across to Ga to get engine, up to Ky to swap w/ Rick, and back to Dallas. MAN, I'm gonna spend ALOT on gas! Thank God it's a good time for a road trip $2 gas!
If I don't have a plan on a way to rebuild '70 I'll just take the neg. Just too much driving to make it all work. The '70 came-up out of the blue, and I didn't plan on having to make that trip too...
Here is the CRAZY trip I'm thinking about making:
http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h290/Charger-Aficionado/Map2.jpg
after you make the swap with Rick I'll paypal you $100 to defray the rebuilding costs
it's a start--
Quote from: pettybird on February 13, 2009, 08:51:24 AM
after you make the swap with Rick I'll paypal you $100 to defray the rebuilding costs
it's a start--
I can kick in $50.00 and will see if I can scrape up some more
Why not have someone here in Ohio/Kentucky/Indiana (where the engine is) rebuild it? Lots of members here and several good shops. Or is it because you need to get the XX engine here to see if the trade is worthwhile first?
Troy
stew call Rick and smack him around--make sure he's 100% go on his end. the quality of the XX motor is irrelevant.
when i see him in virgina , I am going to smack him hard . :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :slap: :slap: :slap:
I
Quote from: talkiemopar on February 13, 2009, 10:06:37 AM
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, are you speech less rick , somehow I dont think that could ever happen ? :smilielol: :smilielol:
I talked to Jay and told him a trade would be fine .When it comes to MOPAR GREATS he is the ONE. Thanks,Rick
Quote from: talkiemopar on February 13, 2009, 10:41:24 AM
I talked to Jay and told him a trade would be fine .When it comes to MOPAR GREATS he is the ONE. Thanks,Rick
Jay? I thought his name was Jude? :shruggy:
Its one or the other----same person.I must have gotten it wrong. Rick
Quote from: talkiemopar on February 13, 2009, 12:34:13 PM
Its one or the other----same person.I must have gotten it wrong. Rick
Or you can call him fifthforcon... :icon_smile_big:
Quote from: PocketThunder on February 13, 2009, 12:45:56 PM
Quote from: talkiemopar on February 13, 2009, 12:34:13 PM
Its one or the other----same person.I must have gotten it wrong. Rick
Or you can call him fifthforcon... :icon_smile_big:
you can call me ray or you can call me jay , but you doesnt have to call me johnson .
Quote from: PocketThunder on February 13, 2009, 12:45:56 PM
Quote from: talkiemopar on February 13, 2009, 12:34:13 PM
Its one or the other----same person.I must have gotten it wrong. Rick
Or you can call him fifthforcon... :icon_smile_big:
Old-Timer Alert!!! :lol:
I prefer to go by my muslim name...Seldum Ben Lade :icon_smile_big:
My mother calls me " Seven of Nine". Doesn't make sense to me though since there's only four kids and I was the first born.
Shouldn't I be "One of Four".
rebuilding on a budget isn't as easy as it sounds. I'm currently building a 340 for a local customer and I think I'll be on the north side of $2000 in parts and machine work when I'm done, and that does NOT include labor
Well at least it was someone one here that was the high bidder. I was hoping that it would find its way back to Rick, and it appears it will eventually.
Okay guys. Update: Talked to seller, and confirmed that I'm traveling there after I get my Charger. He was okay w/ a delay, but agreeded to wait for any money until I got there (thank God he was nice enough to do that).
So I'm in Ca now, and ready to head up North to get the '70. And of course it started storming...
Talked to Rick and we made an arrangement that is great for both of us. It will all work out.
That's a long trip. Hope it all goes well ......Drive safe.
Engine is home.
Wooohooo!!! :2thumbs: :boogie: :punkrocka:
Here's to you both.
this good to hear after all that time being apart :dance: :dance:, great stuff :yesnod:
gives us hope to all who has a matching numbers motor ..MIA :'(
awesome news glad we can put this one to rest
It's 12;00 noon wednesday and Jude just left for texas .He got here tuesday at 3 am, got some sleep,then did the trade ,I kicked in a auto trany and some other parts he was needing .Took him for his first ever ride in a BIRD :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: and banged the gears :yesnod: he liked it and so did i Real nice guy,glad i got to met him :cheers: Rick
Did you type that or Sherry?
I typed it ,Rick
Quote from: talkiemopar on March 11, 2009, 12:29:07 PM
I typed it ,Rick
there are still really good people in this hobby , not everyone is like that frank . :2thumbs:
jude your the man
I wondered if it was you Rick because I knew that if you did it instead of dictating to your personal assistant, then it meant you were feeling pretty pleased about now. As well you should. ;)
Yes i am very pleased that it all worked out .It only took 11 months Rick :pullinghair: :pullinghair: :pullinghair: :nixon:
Easy with the hair pulling there Rick, there isn't that much left up there to be pulling on.
Glad to hear that you did finally get the engine. So now how long until that car comes to live in my garage?
Quote from: 69_500 on March 11, 2009, 03:36:19 PM
Easy with the hair pulling there Rick, there isn't that much left up there to be pulling on.
Glad to hear that you did finally get the engine. So now how long until that car comes to live in my garage?
sorry danny your a day late again , he's promised it to me :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol:
Danny , did you say you wanted to restore it for ME :angelwing: :angelwing: :angelwing:
Quote from: talkiemopar on March 11, 2009, 02:30:55 PM
Yes i am very pleased that it all worked out .It only took 11 months Rick :pullinghair: :pullinghair: :pullinghair: :nixon:
...and all it would have taken was $1500 7+months ago.
only you, Rick....
Sure after you sell it to me I'll restore it.
sorry Danny, i think your wife wants blue,not bronze :nana: Rick
Pettybird I think your check got lost in the mail. I waited and waited but it just never got here You should have used a stamp on it instead of writing return to sender to save 42 cents :nana: :fu: :wave: :ohhthesarcasm: :sorry: Rick
Quote from: talkiemopar on March 11, 2009, 09:40:56 PM
Pettybird I think your check got lost in the mail. I waited and waited but it just never got here You should have used a stamp on it instead of writing return to sender to save 42 cents :nana: :fu: :wave: :ohhthesarcasm: :sorry: Rick
Shh! let everyone know your tricks and you'll be out of business in no time!
:confused: ??? :shruggy:
Quote from: talkiemopar on March 11, 2009, 09:40:56 PM
You should have used a stamp on it instead of writing return to sender to save 42 cents
come on...I'm not the only one here who could see you doing that. we've all heard your stories ;)
I am glad the motor's with the car again, however it happened.
DOING WHAT ?
True Rick my wife would prefer a B5 blue one, however the 5 year old son would prefer your car. He loves that color.
Well got a message from rick and i guess this deal has gone bad . Jude is not happy with the motor he got and is threatening to sue rick now? :shruggy: Rick said he told him up front it had spun a bearing and he had only breifly run the motor 28 years ago . :popcrn: :popcrn: :popcrn:
Quote from: moparstuart on May 01, 2009, 11:45:49 AM
Well got a message from rick and i guess this deal has gone bad . Jude is not happy with the motor he got and is threatening to sue rick not ? :shruggy: Rick said he told him up front it had spun a bearing and he had only breifly run the motor 20 years ago . :popcrn: :popcrn: :popcrn:
This should get interesting... :popcrn: :popcrn:
I can't quite understand why someone would go through that much trouble too reunite that engine with his car....
What exactly could he sue for? I mean there was a trade of a block for a complete engine right? Seems that one didn't work, and so even if the other didn't work then what would be the lawsuit for? There was extra parts thrown in as well right? No one twisted his arm to make him trade it to Rick, it was his offer to Rick right? Or do I have the story completely wrong?
Now don't get you panties in a wad just yet :icon_smile_tongue: :RantExplode: The secretary is retrieving everybodies foot from mouth (duh - usually open mouth insert foot ) seems to be a new flu going around. Calming the waters and taking a deep breath - you will probably see the Cg 500 back up with of course a 'reserve' or a starting price at what Rick would like to see it bring. :drool5: :blahblah: More detailed information, factual and correct - No hurrying this time. :cheers: Boy how guys work things out I'll never know but Jude will probably be putting it on e-bay again
MEN :puke:
The most understanding secretary in the world (for a while at least) :angelwing:
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Quote from: moparstuart on May 01, 2009, 11:45:49 AM
Well got a message from rick and i guess this deal has gone bad . Jude is not happy with the motor he got and is threatening to sue rick not ? :shruggy: Rick said he told him up front it had spun a bearing and he had only breifly run the motor 20 years ago . :popcrn: :popcrn: :popcrn:
I would have thought that if Rick wanted that information public he'd have posted it...
Troy
anymore details?
Quote from: Troy on May 03, 2009, 10:26:23 AM
Quote from: moparstuart on May 01, 2009, 11:45:49 AM
Well got a message from rick and i guess this deal has gone bad . Jude is not happy with the motor he got and is threatening to sue rick not ? :shruggy: Rick said he told him up front it had spun a bearing and he had only breifly run the motor 20 years ago . :popcrn: :popcrn: :popcrn:
I would have thought that if Rick wanted that information public he'd have posted it...
Troy
to late he called and left it on my voice mail so it's far game , I dont think rick is afraid to talk about anything
Quote from: moparstuart on May 03, 2009, 05:26:03 PM
Quote from: Troy on May 03, 2009, 10:26:23 AM
Quote from: moparstuart on May 01, 2009, 11:45:49 AM
Well got a message from rick and i guess this deal has gone bad . Jude is not happy with the motor he got and is threatening to sue rick not ? :shruggy: Rick said he told him up front it had spun a bearing and he had only breifly run the motor 20 years ago . :popcrn: :popcrn: :popcrn:
I would have thought that if Rick wanted that information public he'd have posted it...
Troy
to late he called and left it on my voice mail so it's far game , I dont think rick is afraid to talk about anything
I didn't say afraid. Perhaps
I'm a little sensitive about people blabbing about things that
I mention off the site? Just me? Throughout the history of the site(s) I've
strongly discouraged airing disputes between members unless there was absolutely no alternative so my comments aren't out of character. I'd have asked permission and had a complete understanding of the situation before posting. Again, just me?
Troy
well i'll see him in a month or so , so he can slap me around then
Quote from: moparstuart on May 03, 2009, 06:22:28 PM
well i'll see him in a month or so , so he can slap me around then
or trap you under 100lbs of stories ;)
Quote from: pettybird on May 03, 2009, 10:31:18 PM
Quote from: moparstuart on May 03, 2009, 06:22:28 PM
well i'll see him in a month or so , so he can slap me around then
or trap you under 100lbs of stories ;)
I like that 100 lbs of stories very fitting :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol:
Or 100's of pounds of wooden pallets. :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol:
Quote from: WINGR on May 04, 2009, 11:28:17 PM
Or 100's of pounds of wooden pallets. :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol:
first he will trap me with the pallets so i cant move then he will hammer me with the 100 lbs of stories . :smilielol: :smilielol:
They should have shipped rick to guantanamo bay , and used him on the captives . :smilielol: :smilielol:
love ya rick :D :D :D
An old motor that was yanked from a car ages ago that turned out to be junk?
How can that possibly be?
No way that can't be true.
Quote from: Old Moparz on May 05, 2009, 07:09:09 PM
An old motor that was yanked from a car ages ago that turned out to be junk?
How can that possibly be?
No way that can't be true.
i dont think the motor is junk , just more machine work and money (new parts) needed to make it right .
Been there dont that , they all need more work and money .
Quote from: moparstuart on May 06, 2009, 09:08:20 AM
Quote from: Old Moparz on May 05, 2009, 07:09:09 PM
An old motor that was yanked from a car ages ago that turned out to be junk?
How can that possibly be?
No way that can't be true.
i dont think the motor is junk , just more machine work and money (new parts) needed to make it right .
Been there dont that , they all need more work and money .
Agreed, the word junk may be a bit harsh since anything can be fixed, it just depends on how deep the pockets are. I do find it very amusing that there are so many people who never seem to take into consideration that these old motors got abused & severely damaged. I've done it myself when I was 19, so I know. Beating the snot out of my first two Chargers taught me a lesson that, unless you have money to rebuild a motor, don't drive it like you stole it........ LOL
The way I see it, unless the person offering the motor is a friend, or a vendor/seller I know & trust & have bought things from before, I can't take their word for it that it's fine. Unless the motor was in a car & running, & I was present to witness it, it's a core. Also, unless there is proof that a machine shop checked the block & heads, it's a core, but even then you're taking a chance.
Is there a chance I missed out on a fantastic deal because I didn't take an honest person's word for something? Sure there is, but I don't get shafted on a regular basis either. :D
I don't come on here at all anymore, but came across this...
The only reason I drove from Ca to Ga, to Ky, and back to Ca is...
I was putting a. '70 Charger together in Ca and was looking for a 440 for it. I had caught this XX 440 on here, and contemplated using it for my project. Then I thought it would be good to get it to it's original vehicle/owner. Talked to Rick on the phone about it and he mentioned he had a '70 warranty block that ran when it came out of his 500 (I don't think he had mentioned any damage other than a knock), but he had no money to retrieve his original engine. Still didn't make sense to swap those two engines (XX engine was $1k on eBay, and I've seen warranty blocks sell for $400). Next he did not have the ability/fuel to get engine in Ga. This meant I had to pay a Grand for XX engine and DELIVER it to him! Still not a chance I'd invest nearly $1,700 (price of engine, renting a pickup, and fuel), for a trade of something worth a fraction of that. I was looking for an even deal (instead I was Royally Shafted by Rick). He had mentioned he wanted to sell one of his two 500s (the Red XS VIN 500). I am pretty good at listing on eBay, and offered to do the swap on engines if he made the deal "even" by letting me list the 500 on eBay and re-coup a seller's fee (part of my interest was wanting to see the two 500s and the Superbird). He agreed to that deal, but had "cavier dreams" of getting $40,000 for it (which was an insane thought in this market we found out). I fully expected it to go in the 30 range, and there was much interest in the high 20s, but he would not consider it. So I was left S.O.L. and Rick was completely unwilling to make any consession (he is perfectly fine getting something FREE in large part). I'm just taking it as a loss. He has so many damn parts there he probably could sell a set of B body seats on eBay and "make it right", but he just changed the subject when we spoke. All I would like is a $500 reimbursement for my "door to door delivery". Hell he would've paid a freight company $400 to have delivered his block... Just a crock, and a man named Rick who is completely untrustworthy. Not happy in the least.
Not being one who knows the whole story from both sides I'll refrain from commenting on the whole deal but here is one thing I'll comment about. Known Rick for pretty much all of my life (probably 28 years or so) and he is anything but a CROCK, and you are the first person I have ever heard of to have anything negative to say about him. Well unless you consider talking for hours about cars a negative.
Don't refrain. Comment on it. He won't. He completely ignores me on it (I quit emailing him on it over a year ago because it's pretty obvious what his intentions are: to screw me over). If one option didn't go as planned: don't TOTALLY STIFF someone. You just don't do that when you play w/ old cars, or in life for that matter. I've had things not go right on swaps before, and I made them right (ask Travis).
Well Rick you've always got plenty to say. Say something. I see you are online, and know you read this.
Look, if I were the one in your shoes, I'd make a small consession. The facts of what I spent are pretty hard to argue with. Matter of fact for some funny reason my camera was left on record (video) as we ran down the expectations of the deal before I left. If you really are half way decent then just discuss it (rather than stick your head in the sand). It doesn't take a genius to figure out it's not even close to even. If you sent me a box of parts I could list (worth about 500), I'd call it COMPLETELY Square. That essentially would give you a whopping $1,200 for your '70 block (out of the $1,700 I spent).
If you happen to think I'm wrong; use your HUGE Mouthpiece and tell me why you think we are "square". Fact is: your silence SHOWS your complicity in ripping someone off. I'm waiting...
Ohhh ohh yes I forgot he kicked-in a CORE 727. I assume he thinks it was worth the difference. *shakes head
"Pretty good at listing things on eBay?" Are you kidding? Did you have a drunk 12 year old write it for you? Who invented the XS/XX story? Crap pictures, crap description.
Are you saying you didn't know what Rick wanted for the car before you listed it, or are you saying that you're upset post-eBay ad that the car didn't bring his number? That's consignment. It happens.
You knew ahead of time the motor had a spun bearing. Don't try and suggest otherwise. I was never in the market for the motor and Rick told ME about it in conversation.
You gave him a core short block, and he gave you a whole core motor, a core transmission, trans crossmember and more. Yes, that was worth the difference.
We appreciate your returning the motor to the car. We really do. Most of us are blown away by it. Most of us have met Rick, though, and don't appreciate you dragging this thread back after what, 16 months? I'm with 69_500 in that Rick has known me most of my life, and while cheap, he is an excellent person. I'm sorry the deal didn't pan out, but it's the seller's call as to whether or not he'll let go of a car for far less than he was hoping, not the middleman. You're out a consignment fee and you're angry at Rick for not dropping his price more than 10 grand. That's not quite even.
You didn't read a thing I wrote. I never expected him to drop down in price: thus my statement about making it right in some other way.
As far as the auction the operative word was. "good ". I never "made-up" anything. I learned (the hard way) that when Rick wants to "fudge" something he kinda mumbles something in favor of what you say (I had asked him about the reason for the VIN being that way, and asked if it was one of the first ones, and he alluded to it). The auction was put online when I was on the road, and I did not have time to look over numbers. Come'on the pictures...? Whatever.
I could have got that crap (engine core) at a local wrecking yard, and furthermore had tons of it laying around anyway. The only "novelty" I gained was no numbers on the block. Nowhere near CLOSE to being square. As far as it having a spun bearing, all he told me was that it developed a knock, and he shut it down, and took it out to rebuild.
The only benefit he got from me listing the car was the "get your @ in gear" effect of wanting something done. I suggested it as a means to get him what he wanted (and was too chincy to go after). You can talk all the trash you want about it regarding "this or that". I mean the pictures?!? For God's sake the car was entombed in a building. I did the best I could with what I had (and for someone I didn't know, but thought would square things up).
I think Mopar stuart nailed it. Unless a motor is in a car and you can hear it run or it has receipts from a machine shop as being built its a crap shoot. I can't get why you drove all over the country knowing you'd be paying north of 1k for a motor you cant hear run or validate its any good. You see cores in the 500-700 range all the time for steel crank motors. I would think you could have got a local one for less $$ and all the hassle.
Sure it was a great gesture to reunite the XX block with the car. If the owner of the car told you he didn't have the $$ to have it delivered, or go get it I would have thought that would have raised some flags in thinking you were going to get kick backs. i would have walked away from all of it.
Charger fan, yes your logic is sound. I did never expect the '70 engine to run what-so-ever (matter of fact once I saw it: it looked BEAT, nowhere near as good as he made it sound). He made it sound like it was a complete factory looking set-up, but when I got there it was "clown colored" (red valve covers, blue this, spray painted that)... He had just threw spare stuff on it.
And yes, none of it does make sense, unless I got a small kick-back on the auction. When it was obvious that wouldn't work Rick should have suggested something else.
And STILL he won't "man up", and even claim he thought he gave me a "great deal" (if that's what he can justify in his own mind).
Quote from: pettybird on August 17, 2010, 09:25:42 PM
You gave him a core short block, and he gave you a whole core motor, a core transmission, trans crossmember and more. Yes, that was worth the difference.
That's quite a stretch. Yes, under NORMAL circumstances you are right, but you damn-well knew the huge PREMIUM price tag the XX engine had (you saw it on eBay, SEE:your post on page 12 about it being over a Grand). Not to mention the "free" delivery, and my 2 weeks off of work.
I don't appreciate the insults on the auction, and the "spin" in the quote above. Suuure "even deal". Makes me WONDER what your alterior motive is..???
I took some hits with the downturn in the economy, and have not been able to travel back up there to file suit, however I'm recovering, and fully intend to (there is a 5yr statute of limitations). Then your stingy buddy can pay those travel fees, my court costs, and what he owes me.
My BEEF never was with the engine he gave me, it was the fact that he asked me to pull the auction due to mis-information I was under the understanding was correct, and not agree to re-list it. It obviously was a bust, so I did ask him to figure something else out, but he ignored me.
Quote from: Troy on May 03, 2009, 06:06:12 PM
Throughout the history of the site(s) I've strongly discouraged airing disputes between members unless there was absolutely no alternative
Please keep Troy's request in mind when considering whether to continue this discussion. I can see very little potential for a positive oucome, and a high chance of it spiraling south.
Jude, you've mentioned you still have recourse - and if that's the case, then Troy's standard of "absolutely no alternative" isn't met. Your best bet then is to focus your attention on what you feel you need to do.
:Twocents:
Quote from: Charger Aficionado on August 17, 2010, 10:50:40 PM
Makes me WONDER what your alterior motive is..???
I have nothing to gain.
Compare:
Rick has been a friend of our family for 30 years.
You are calling him names, threatening lawsuits and making him out to be a villain because a deal with a POTENTIAL upside didn't pan out.
Quote from: pettybird on August 18, 2010, 08:32:54 AM
Quote from: Charger Aficionado on August 17, 2010, 10:50:40 PM
Makes me WONDER what your alterior motive is..???
I have nothing to gain.
Compare:
Rick has been a friend of our family for 30 years.
You are calling him names, threatening lawsuits and making him out to be a villain because a deal with a POTENTIAL upside didn't pan out.
:yesnod: :yesnod: :yesnod: :yesnod: :yesnod: :yesnod: rick is cheap , but none of the other things you called him in my book . :Twocents: It was a great service you did for the car and the hobby just leave it at that and go on.
We've all made deals that didn't quite work out the way that we had hoped. Most of us keep that between the parties involved. It's the right thing to do.
I admire Rick for his cheapness. Anyone that buys a lifetime battery for his Superbird and makes them replace it every few years for free is a winner in my book. Sometimes you win...sometimes you lose.
Alright. I am done venting. I have given Rick plenty of time to respond, and he has not. It would be nice if he saves me a ton of time, and simply discusses it. If not, I have no other options. I really was trying to do something good.
I'm now Chargerless, so I won't be around much. '70 project went South after body guy let it sit for a year (still waiting for that deposit back)... I'm going to get that Jesse James Tattoo on my palm.
Good day Gents.
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I'm now Chargerless, so I won't be around much
didn't you use to have like, 20 chargers or do i have you mixed up with someone else?
I called rick and he hasnt been on here because his wife sherry is in the hospital with stomach problems and will be for at least another week . Sherry is his secretary and does all his typing .
Quote from: moparstuart on August 20, 2010, 12:13:10 PM
I called rick and he hasnt been on here because his wife sherry is in the hospital with stomach problems and will be for at least another week . Sherry is his secretary and does all his typing .
If you call back wish her well from us.
one call every six months is enough LOL
I will if i here from him , Im sure he's watching but doesnt have the secretary to type for him . :icon_smile_big:
Yeah I talked to him on the phone the other day too. The night before she was going in for surgery actually. Figured that once all of the important things in his life get settled he will chime in with his own response to the situation. Hope that she is doing well.
I think I set a new record too the other day on the phone with Rick. Total phone call was
get this
37 minutes
I dare you to be on the phone for a shorter time period than that Doug or Stuart or Steve. :)
Quote from: 69_500 on August 20, 2010, 08:48:50 PM
Yeah I talked to him on the phone the other day too. The night before she was going in for surgery actually. Figured that once all of the important things in his life get settled he will chime in with his own response to the situation. Hope that she is doing well.
I think I set a new record too the other day on the phone with Rick. Total phone call was
get this
37 minutes
I dare you to be on the phone for a shorter time period than that Doug or Stuart or Steve. :)
:smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: i have had shorter just ask rick :nana:
Hanging up on him doesn't count. :nana:
Quote from: 69_500 on August 20, 2010, 10:32:14 PM
Hanging up on him doesn't count. :nana:
:smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol:
Jeez! This is a fun one to read.
There's lots of lessons here.
A) Get everything in writing all the time.
B) I don't care how nice a guy someone is... see point number 1
C) Trades usually end up bad for one of the two parties - see NBA, MLB, and NFL - so get cash.
D) If the guy who wants the engine the most is going to sit on his thumbs and let somebody else do all the work.... you can bet he's paying me cash up front.
I don't know anyone that would have went through all of this trouble for someone they didn't know. Just because you see people at shows and have things in common or talk to them on the phone all day don't mean anything. Some people live with people and still don't know everything about them. The thing to ask is would that person do the same for you if the tables were turned? If someone would have did all this for me they would have been happy when we parted. I would have way over compensated him for doing me this favor because what's the chances of it ever happening again or to happen at all. I don't know anyone that would deliver me a part from clear across the country just to see if I had anything to trade them. Others were closer to him and the engine and never made a move. It looks like sender was more ambitious to make a deal then the receiver.....in the evidence stated in this thread.
rick called and said sherry is still in the hospital had two more operations and now has an infection ?
I just love hospitals , let pray she starts getting better . :yesnod: :angel: