So some I'm sure can rememeber my thread awhile ago about the 69 charger I bought that needs every piece of metal reproduced and then some. That car is a xp29, still a charger with a clean title and all numbers intact. I traveled over 12 hours to get it, not knowing 5 minutes from my house was a 69 charger rt in alder bushes behind a garage in "better" condition. Turns out this car was actually my wife's third cousins back in te 70s till he smashed the left 1/4 in the late 70s stripped some parts and left it to die. He passed in the mid 80s and it was forgetten I guess. Wife and I have been together for 12 years all of which I have wanted one and never knew it was just behind the garage at a house I had been to, no one ever mentioned it. I went to house and sure enough there it was. The new owner of the house gave it to me. It is a basket case will post pics later. What I know of it is it's a 69 charger R/T 440 magnum, stripe delete with white interior bucket seats with middle buddy seat? Column shift. What I am wondering is there was a small portion of the left front fender left with what's left of a "magnum" badge on it. Was the fender engine callout a factory option. A far as I can find out by talking to family and friends of the relative that owned it, the car was basically as it was from the factory, it still has most of the original paint where's there is paint. Also I don't know if anyone can make any more sense of the vin then I already have from the online decoder. Here is the vin "XS29L9B".
Thanks for the help,
Pat.
For Free??????????
:drool5: :drool5: :drool5:
Luke
There isn't anything else beyond what the decoders would tell you to share I imagine. XS-Charger Premium Price Class 29-2 door hardtop L-440 (-1969 B- Hamtramck Assembly Plant
Even if its a wreck you get the bragging rights of a free 69RT.
No badging on fenders from factory...free is always good!
I think many will agree, you may be one of the luckiest members on this site :Twocents:
Great score :cheers: !
ill give you 100 dollars for it and pick it up
think about it, you will get 100X what you got into it! :icon_smile_big:
great score, any pics?
Post pics. Great find start building.
Restorable yes, lots of time and $$ yes. I suppose I avoid the initial purchase price lol. Trying to get the title now it was lost in the same fire that the guy who owned it died in in the mid 80s. He had the car before he was married so not sure if his wife can help or not. Pics later when I get to my computer.
The price is right! Congrats! :cheers:
Pics, please. :icon_smile_big:
Getting Titles replaced has become easy. It might cost you a few hundred bucks but it's worth it. Knowing his widow might help getting a title, she will need his death certificate.
I'm not trying to rain on your parade but can someone clear up some legal questions i have.
you say that the guy who owns the house now gave you the car. he nor you have the title. now contacting the dead mans wife for help, she might want some money.
but if the guy who bought the house was given the car, when he bought the house, then you don't need to talk to the dead guys wife at all. it's considered his property to do what he wants. right?
I'm just worried about asking the wife an she wants money...
if it were me it would happen that way..
again, I'm not starting crap, or do i mean any disrespect to you or any family that was mentioned...
Luke
She knows I got the car, her daughter is my wife's cousin (somehow) and they chat ok Facebook all the time, she mentioned me getting the car and the daughter said she thought it was a great idea and she mentioned it to her mother. Oh, daughter is in her early 30s not like a kid lol. I called the DMV today they are seeing what that can do but didn't show any records of the vin. I'm sure the wife would have no problem taking the death certificate and getting a new title as she is still part of the family and it's a fairly close knit family. My delema is the car was his before they were even dating and off the road before they were as well.
wow great stuff !! :cheers: looking forward to seeing pictures :scope: :yesnod: :popcrn:
Now that's a story! Congratulations! That one has to be rebuilt to show car quality just for the history behind it and how you acquired it! :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
:2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
Quote from: Pat1973charger on January 26, 2015, 05:28:16 PM
She knows I got the car, her daughter is my wife's cousin (somehow) and they chat ok Facebook all the time, she mentioned me getting the car and the daughter said she thought it was a great idea and she mentioned it to her mother. Oh, daughter is in her early 30s not like a kid lol. I called the DMV today they are seeing what that can do but didn't show any records of the vin. I'm sure the wife would have no problem taking the death certificate and getting a new title as she is still part of the family and it's a fairly close knit family. My delema is the car was his before they were even dating and off the road before they were as well.
Heck yeah man, your good to go. Sorry I had to ask, but I always think of the bad stuff. Drives my wife nuts
Luke
Hey Pat, please hurry on those pictures man....you're killin' us here! :icon_smile_wink: Have we mentioned how much we love pictures? :D
cool story :2thumbs:
just two questions what colour and where are the pics ;D
Pictures pictures pictures pictures pictures pictures pictures pictures pictures pictures pictures.
Please please please please please please. :nana: :cheers:
Quote from: skip68 on January 26, 2015, 10:59:53 PM
Pictures pictures pictures pictures pictures pictures pictures pictures pictures pictures pictures.
Please please please please please please. :nana: :cheers:
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im learning more and more about chargers and certain options, color codes etc but dont know for sure the color. I think maybe F8? you guys will know by the pics. I wish there was a build sheet left but sadly 15-20 years of no windows or doors means rodents have used anything paper or foam as nesting. sadly since the entire front clip was gone the fender tag was left exposed and rusted to the point it was just a pile of crumbling rust :'(.
the day I first found it
(http://www.forbbodiesonly.com/moparforum/attachment.php?attachmentid=234896&stc=1&d=1422062557)
(http://www.forbbodiesonly.com/moparforum/attachment.php?attachmentid=234897&stc=1&d=1422062557)
after lots of work with pick axes and large prybars to get it free from being sunk into the dirt up to the k frame and bottom on rear axle tubes
(http://www.forbbodiesonly.com/moparforum/attachment.php?attachmentid=235033&stc=1&d=1422122984)
(http://www.forbbodiesonly.com/moparforum/attachment.php?attachmentid=235032&stc=1&d=1422122984)
(http://www.forbbodiesonly.com/moparforum/attachment.php?attachmentid=235035&stc=1&d=1422122984)
arriving to my house
(http://www.forbbodiesonly.com/moparforum/attachment.php?attachmentid=235034&stc=1&d=1422122984)
Sorry dude, you got a parts car. :'(
Quote from: TUFCAT on January 26, 2015, 11:23:49 PM
Sorry dude, you got a parts car. :'(
Most would think so but I'll bring her back. Anything can be saved. I have the xp29 I bought in August for parts plus a 68 satellite. No out sourcing needed, I'm a licenced mechanic and father in law is a licenced auto body certified in the 70s when chargers started to rot. He knows them inside out upside down. We built a frAme jig for the xp29 resto but now the rt will go on it and piece by piece I'll turn it back into a solid shell. I have wanted a 69 charger RT since I was 8 years old and now I have one, if I let this one slide I know it'll be many many years before I find or can buy another one, with just having a 5 month old baby boy and the fact that they just aren't around here. I have my young family to support so money isn't there for a turn key car or and 15k car that needs 15k Into it. I will takes free car and put the 25-30k into it and have a nice rt over the next few years. I should add tht I already have front and rear rails, torsion crossmember, rear cross memembers, front and rear leaf spring Perches, inner and outer rocker panels and all floors. Really nice rear glass, enough glass to do the car twice minus windshield, restorable grille, two sets of tail lights, enough stainless trim to do two cars, lots of assorted small interior stuff a really nice original hood, good set of leafs, three rear ends, really nice trunk lid and various suspension parts and so on.
good for you, if theres a will , theres a way,
yes others have brought back worse , get to it , and if you need advice , theres all the guy's on here :2thumbs:
Best of luck on this one. :cheers:
theres a will theres a way....
Thanks for the story and pics :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
Good luck on your build as you seem to have a plan of attack.
With all of the parts pillaged from that car I'm surprised that the front buckets are still there.
I always love guys with a dedicated mind.
Nothing but kudos to you for going for it. If you know your skills and know you can do it then go ahead.
Like you said, lot of 10K cars need a 20K restoration also. So you're ahaid a couple of bucks, and if you have a donor car you save some extra money.
Keep us posted with lots of pictures. Lots of guys here love these big projects.
Thanks for the support! I appreciate it and will need it! Hope to start on it very soon just trying to work out the details of the title. I bought all those new parts to build the xp29 knowing id probabaly spend more ok it then it would be worth but solely to fulfill my dream of having a 69 charger so to be able to build a 69 rt stripe delete original 440 magnum car is just the icing on the icing on the chocolate cake with fudge in the middle lol. I will start a build thread wen the work commences.
Also I have followed some threads on here but you say some were worse it at least as bad? Which ones would that be? Jut curious?
Quote from: Pat1973charger on January 26, 2015, 11:50:28 PM
Quote from: TUFCAT on January 26, 2015, 11:23:49 PM
Sorry dude, you got a parts car. :'(
Most would think so but I'll bring her back. Anything can be saved. I have the xp29 I bought in August for parts plus a 68 satellite. No out sourcing needed, I'm a licenced mechanic and father in law is a licenced auto body certified in the 70s when chargers started to rot. He knows them inside out upside down. We built a frAme jig for the xp29 resto but now the rt will go on it and piece by piece I'll turn it back into a solid shell. I have wanted a 69 charger RT since I was 8 years old and now I have one, if I let this one slide I know it'll be many many years before I find or can buy another one, with just having a 5 month old baby boy and the fact that they just aren't around here. I have my young family to support so money isn't there for a turn key car or and 15k car that needs 15k Into it. I will takes free car and put the 25-30k into it and have a nice rt over the next few years. I should add tht I already have front and rear rails, torsion crossmember, rear cross memembers, front and rear leaf spring Perches, inner and outer rocker panels and all floors. Really nice rear glass, enough glass to do the car twice minus windshield, restorable grille, two sets of tail lights, enough stainless trim to do two cars, lots of assorted small interior stuff a really nice original hood, good set of leafs, three rear ends, really nice trunk lid and various suspension parts and so on.
Sounds like you've got a plan. :yesnod: I just changed my mind...for "most people" that's a parts car. :icon_smile_wink:
to you older guys that drove these cars in the late 60s or early 70s :
Was is the "cool thing" to do - to wrap or smash up these cars? LOL :nana:
I read alot of stories of you guys, and just about everyone i talk to would say something like "yea i was driving home one night, and next thing i know i smashed into a pole, I sold the car shortly after that for 150 dollars"
I mean wow.....the amount a cars and poles you guys must have gone thru :o Whats the deal?
If i was alive back then, I would be rich, b/c i would have owned the biggest towing/wrecker service around!
* i started a thread to hear these stories in the other forum*
Quote from: TUFCAT on January 27, 2015, 07:41:52 AM
Quote from: Pat1973charger on January 26, 2015, 11:50:28 PM
Quote from: TUFCAT on January 26, 2015, 11:23:49 PM
Sorry dude, you got a parts car. :'(
Most would think so but I'll bring her back. Anything can be saved. I have the xp29 I bought in August for parts plus a 68 satellite. No out sourcing needed, I'm a licenced mechanic and father in law is a licenced auto body certified in the 70s when chargers started to rot. He knows them inside out upside down. We built a frAme jig for the xp29 resto but now the rt will go on it and piece by piece I'll turn it back into a solid shell. I have wanted a 69 charger RT since I was 8 years old and now I have one, if I let this one slide I know it'll be many many years before I find or can buy another one, with just having a 5 month old baby boy and the fact that they just aren't around here. I have my young family to support so money isn't there for a turn key car or and 15k car that needs 15k Into it. I will takes free car and put the 25-30k into it and have a nice rt over the next few years. I should add tht I already have front and rear rails, torsion crossmember, rear cross memembers, front and rear leaf spring Perches, inner and outer rocker panels and all floors. Really nice rear glass, enough glass to do the car twice minus windshield, restorable grille, two sets of tail lights, enough stainless trim to do two cars, lots of assorted small interior stuff a really nice original hood, good set of leafs, three rear ends, really nice trunk lid and various suspension parts and so on.
Sounds like you've got a plan. :yesnod: I just changed my mind...for "most people" that's a parts car. :icon_smile_wink:
Thanks you are right I would consider it a parts car if it was anything but a 69 charger rt. I would have loved to be driving these in the late 60s early 70s but sadly I'm living in the age when a car like mine most guys selling think is gold plated. I'm only 28 soni have time to restore her ... I hope lol.
Steg, as to wrecking cars it's no more so than the daily drivers of today. Because thats what they were, daily drivers just with a little more cool. Not to mention that we didn't have a Charger for play, a pickup truck for work, an SUV for the wife and a cheap sedan for the kids to drive. We had ONE car and everybody drove it, day and night in all weather conditions.
That is one Hell of an undertaking! Hats off to you for the "want" to tackle this project and to save another charger. :2thumbs:
I am glad you got to it before someone decided to crush it. Good luck with your resurrection! Scott.
There's enough parts around to build a lot of chargers. Just takes people digging through their garages to find them.
Quote from: Cncguy on January 27, 2015, 12:34:47 PM
There's enough parts around to build a lot of chargers. Just takes people digging through their garages to find them.
And tell Me where they are lol :cheers:
Just remember 68 69 70 b bodies are very similar with like parts. Only a few parts are unique to the Charger.
Quote from: Cncguy on January 27, 2015, 01:30:11 PM
Just remember 68 69 70 b bodies are very similar with like parts. Only a few parts are unique to the Charger.
Yeah I know, I have a 68 satellite I got for $300 was gonna use for parts for the xp29 which will now donate a pillers and front roof structure to the rt as well as a firewall which I should just have to drill the hole for the vacuum headlights.
I did the same thing 68 coronet 4 dr only I got it for the floor pans.
I got a roof. Complete off 69 Charger. Rear channel needs work, but comes with free ripped headliner and weatherstripping.
Quote from: Cooter on January 27, 2015, 02:23:33 PM
I got a roof. Complete off 69 Charger. Rear channel needs work, but comes with free ripped headliner and weatherstripping.
Lol thanks for the offer cooter, surprisingly the roof skin is pretty solid, going to drill out the welds and take it off to blast it and the inner structure then I'll repair the structure and reinstall the skin. I think I'll start with the replacement of the rails and floors, rockers and the firewall.
Quote from: Pat1973charger on January 27, 2015, 06:25:29 AM
Also I have followed some threads on here but you say some were worse it at least as bad? Which ones would that be? Jut curious?
Check these guys out....
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,104414.0.html (http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,104414.0.html)
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,48718.0.html (http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,48718.0.html)
those are just a couple I remember freshly....
Is that Lee 1 :o
Seriously though, restore that and you win car guy of the year :cheers:
Quote from: XS29L9Bxxxxxx on January 28, 2015, 01:44:53 PM
Is that Lee 1 :o
Seriously though, restore that and you win car guy of the year :cheers:
Hitting a lot of dead ends for a title, Nova Scotia DMV sucks for obtaining a title for a car without any documentation. :brickwall:
I thought you had a title. :shruggy: Without it you might have to reconsider this and find a car w/clean title. Sitting abandon for a looong time....without a title isn't a good sign. Who knows....it could have been reported stolen? It would suck to invest time and money for somebody else to lay claim to it when finished. Just my two cents. Glad you're doing it now rather than later. :yesnod:
Don't most places kind of frown on giving you a title without any documentation?
i went through the not title thing and i got one it wasn't cheap i paid $1300 and it's totally legal and legitamate http://www.getnewtitle.com/ took me 1.5 months all you need is a notarized bill of sale from his wife.
Easiest thing would be to pay the widow to go to DMV with vin and death certificate , and request replacement title.
If it hasn't been purged from the system.
DMV would issue a new one but when they run the vin it doesn't ever show up as registered in their records. The gave me a # for a legal aid place or something where I can get free advise over the phone. Called them and they don't see a reason why a title shouldn't be issued as long as I write up a detailed letter describing that the land owner agrees to give me the car and I am responsible for all fees associated with removal and transport to my property. Then they said I should contact my local antique car association and see if there is a procedure before I take this letter to the DMV. Pain in the damn ass, I have a clean title and all three vins for a 69 xp29 but I would rather restore the rt
Quote from: Cncguy on January 28, 2015, 05:18:59 PM
Easiest thing would be to pay the widow to go to DMV with vin and death certificate , and request replacement title.
If it hasn't been purged from the system.
That would be easy as she is family but DMV says it's not in the system. As for it being stolen I know the history back to the mid 70s as it's been there in the woods since late 70s and prior to that he Drove it for awhile. I did however run the vin thruough the RCMP and it came up clean.
I purchased a parts car a few years back. Found the previous owners name of the car from a business car he left in the car, unfortunately he had passed. Researched some more and found his widows name, she had passed. Called the DVM, they said I needed the death certificate. Did some more research and found the funeral home that did his services and asked them for the death certificates. They made a copy for me and I took that and a bill of sale from the guy I purchased the car from to the DMV and they gave me a clean title. Don't remember the cost, less than $10.00. Another possible route for you.
Good luck with your 69 R/T project, looks like fun fun fun.
Mike
Quote from: ralley72 on January 28, 2015, 06:07:16 PM
I purchased a parts car a few years back. Found the previous owners name of the car from a business car he left in the car, unfortunately he had passed. Researched some more and found his widows name, she had passed. Called the DVM, they said I needed the death certificate. Did some more research and found the funeral home that did his services and asked them for the death certificates. They made a copy for me and I took that and a bill of sale from the guy I purchased the car from to the DMV and they gave me a clean title. Don't remember the cost, less than $10.00. Another possible route for you.
Good luck with your 69 R/T project, looks like fun fun fun.
Mike
Thanks, not sure if that would work here, DMV in Nova Scotia seems to hate to help anyone. :flame:
Well, I'm in the great state of Missouri and at some local DVM offices they do help. most don't
Mike
more pics of it on the hoist last night.
(http://www.forbbodiesonly.com/moparforum/attachment.php?attachmentid=235687&stc=1&d=1422471142)
(http://www.forbbodiesonly.com/moparforum/attachment.php?attachmentid=235688&stc=1&d=1422471142)
(http://www.forbbodiesonly.com/moparforum/attachment.php?attachmentid=235689&stc=1&d=1422471142)
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What province was it in prior to NS?
good luck hope it turns out great.
Wow! The bottom looks more solid than I thought it would.
As far as I can tell always been in ns
You definitely have a lot of work to do, but props to ya for taking it on. Will be great to see another charger restored and back on the road! Looking forward to this build thread.. :cheers: :cheers: :2thumbs:
Trying to title itnis really kicking the s**h outta me.... Do I re body a rt down to a base? :shruggy:
Even the rt tithe was in the picture it will be made up of itself, my 69 xp29, 69 satellite and new metal :scratchchin:
Can you have the lady you got the car from file for a lost title?
If they can not find the VIN in Nova Scotia maybe the ownership is not from there
How close to Ontario are you ?
Maybe it would be worth a search here
Quote from: JB400 on January 29, 2015, 05:30:35 PM
Can you have the lady you got the car from file for a lost title?
The problem is her husband had the car and it was off the road before they were knew each other which wouldn't really matter as she's beneficiary but the DMV runs the vin it's not in the system
Quote from: 70 sublime on January 29, 2015, 06:25:27 PM
If they can not find the VIN in Nova Scotia maybe the ownership is not from there
How close to Ontario are you ?
Maybe it would be worth a search here
How far from Ontario I am coding tell ya, I guess as far as you can go before you got the Atlantic lol according to people who were Friends with the guy who owned it that the car came from a dealership locAlly and he was third owner.
I hope it can be legally registered....if not (as shameful as this sounds) its an R/T parts car. :'(
Quote from: TUFCAT on January 29, 2015, 07:59:24 PM
I hope it can be legally registered....if not (as shameful as this sounds) its an R/T parts car. :'(
It's a little heart breaking knowing all my life I've wanted a 69 charge rt and now that I have one I face the fact I may have to make the sickening decision to use a rt as a parts car for a xp29 :-\
Quote from: Pat1973charger on January 29, 2015, 08:11:56 PM
Quote from: TUFCAT on January 29, 2015, 07:59:24 PM
I hope it can be legally registered....if not (as shameful as this sounds) its an R/T parts car. :'(
It's a little heart breaking knowing all my life I've wanted a 69 c harge rt and now that I have one I face the fact I may have to make the sickening decision to use a rt as a parts car for a xp29 :-\
A higher power my be doing you a favor.
Quote from: stripedelete on January 29, 2015, 08:18:33 PM
Quote from: Pat1973charger on January 29, 2015, 08:11:56 PM
Quote from: TUFCAT on January 29, 2015, 07:59:24 PM
I hope it can be legally registered....if not (as shameful as this sounds) its an R/T parts car. :'(
It's a little heart breaking knowing all my life I've wanted a 69 c harge rt and now that I have one I face the fact I may have to make the sickening decision to use a rt as a parts car for a xp29 :-\
A higher power my be doing you a favor.
Elaborate please lol
Quote from: Pat1973charger on January 29, 2015, 07:00:27 PM
Quote from: JB400 on January 29, 2015, 05:30:35 PM
Can you have the lady you got the car from file for a lost title?
The problem is her husband had the car and it was off the road before they were knew each other which wouldn't really matter as she's beneficiary but the DMV runs the vin it's not in the system
When you found out about this, did you go through the local office, or the central office? In Missouri, a person can write in to the central office and have a title search done, which in your case, would be in a file in a cabinet. It wouldn't be in the computer.
Quote from: Pat1973charger on January 29, 2015, 08:30:27 PM
Quote from: stripedelete on January 29, 2015, 08:18:33 PM
Quote from: Pat1973charger on January 29, 2015, 08:11:56 PM
Quote from: TUFCAT on January 29, 2015, 07:59:24 PM
I hope it can be legally registered....if not (as shameful as this sounds) its an R/T parts car. :'(
It's a little heart breaking knowing all my life I've wanted a 69 c harge rt and now that I have one I face the fact I may have to make the sickening decision to use a rt as a parts car for a xp29 :-\
A higher power my be doing you a favor.
Elaborate please lol
I can't say for sure, but, in the pictures, I think I see a little rust. :)
On the title issue, will a registration get you any closer to a title? Probably not. But if it does, maybe you can back into it with an old photograph showing a license plate.
Also, don't dismiss bribery. Six degrees of separation says your only a couple of people away from a DMV employee.
Worked for me.........
My xp29 is way worse, looked more like a charger when. I got it but has no floors left or crossmembers front rails rotted so bad they broke rear rails non existent, leafs have gone uo thru trunk and rear seat pan.... Yeah it's bad haha I starting to wonder if the vin isn't entered wrong into the system because it has at least one or two owners for sure that registered it.
Quote from: TUFCAT on January 26, 2015, 11:23:49 PM
Sorry dude, you got a parts car. :'(
While this above comment may appear rude, it isn't far off the mark. That car is wasted. Bringing it back is possible but Holy Christ! This has to be approached with absolutely no regard for resale value. I can appreciate the adventurous spirit you must have. There was another guy on this forum that took on a build using some abandoned 69 Charger.Baldwin vette maybe???
Quote from: Kern Dog on January 30, 2015, 02:34:03 AM
Quote from: TUFCAT on January 26, 2015, 11:23:49 PM
Sorry dude, you got a parts car. :'(
While this above comment may appear rude, it isn't far off the mark. That car is wasted. Bringing it back is possible but Holy Christ! This has to be approached with absolutely no regard for resale value. I can appreciate the adventurous spirit you must have. There was another guy on this forum that took on a build using some abandoned 69 Charger.Baldwin vette maybe???
Yeah Baldwin vette did I know he was getting title somehow under reconstructed vehicle or something. I an really hoping to title this under the original vin as it is a real rt stripe delete 440hp
Keep after it, and keep trying to contact car clubs in your local area. There has to be someone else that has gone through trying to get a car re-titled. Someone should be able to help you through this - don't give up on the R/T!
The plate angle is a good lead to follow. My guess is that it may have been registered with a typo, you are searching for the car with the numbers printed on it and the paperwork in languishing somewhere in the Nova Scotia DMV under a misprint.
Hoping it's a misprint and shows up under the previous owners history. Trying to get ahold of him now he lives nearby.
First off, it's easy getting a title to a car here in Texas. I've done it many times. If there is no registered owner of record, it is so old it is off the books and it is NOT stolen or have a lien. They don't purge those records. Here you get a "bonded" title. You get the value, if its less than 3000, you don't have to have a NADA old car guide value. You go to the bonding company for a bond. It cost about $100. It has always had to have a motor. A new law just passed requires a form to make sure it passes an inspection test. You take the vin down to your local insurance agent and get it insured for liability only. My lady never looks at my cars. So you take your running car down (with proof of insurance) to you fishing/racing buddy at the inspection station, ;) ;) and get that little jewel inspected. Take all the forms back to the DOT and they mail out a letter to all of the parties on their records( which is none) and in about 20 days, you get a letter granting you permission to a title. Go to the courthouse and file for a title and in about 20 days you get a bonded title back. It is bonded for three years. Anytime in that three years anyone who has physical proof( like and old title) and wants to pursue it, can file a legal action and try and get back the car. It is their burden of proof. the chances of that are extremely slim in this case as in most cases. I've never heard a word on any of the bonded titles I have gotten. After 3 years, they could not take it at all. That is how it works here. I'm sure you have a similar rule there. You can also go through a judge and get a title if you know one.
Having said all of that, and I don't mean any disrespect here, but you don't have a clue what you are getting into trying to save that one. The integrity of the uni body on a rusty car like that is gone forever. It would be different if it was the last 69 R/T on the planet. I don't care if it is free. There are plenty of R/T cars out there, you just have to look. Some of these guys are commending you for trying to save one, but most know you are making a bad financial decision, must less the quality of the finished product. I know what I am talking about,here. 18 month ago, I sold a Charger project car. I'm, not at liberty to discuss the price I sold it for then, but if I still had the car, I would price it about 16-18K, give or take some. It was a 69 Charger R/T, 440 4 speed, 3.54 dana 60, rebuilt 18 spline 833 (non matching), a date correct 69 440 (non matching), b-7 blue with blue int. It had a fender tag and a perfect build sheet. It had ZERO rust, perfect 1/4/s, doors, front fenders, grill, floor pans and even a perfect trunk pan, and no vinyl top. I just sold another one last week. It is a 69 Charger R/T,440, auto, matching motor, fender tag, TWO build sheets, and a fresh driver quality b 5 blue paint job and stripe delete. It was also a no rust Texas car with perfect sheet metal. It was partially apart so I was trying to put it back together enough so I could advertise it. Not many will pay top dollar for a car in baskets, even it is is nice. I sold it for 25K and I am helping him finish some of the car for a little extra. Now, please don't get mad at me for this, but I would rather sell my stuff to the local guys a little cheaper. Otherwise, I would sell all the Mopars out from here and I would be the only one left! Your "FREE" car is going to cost you a lot more than ether of these two cars and you won't have any paperwork at all. My advise is keep looking till you find a good car and pay the price now instead of fixing that one. Good luck to you.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. If I had the money stright uo to buy a finished car I don't know that I would. I want to build it with my own hands, to prove the disbelievers wrong and I like the challenge. Just as it's been a lifelong dream to own a 69 RT, I've wanted to build it as much. Where's the fun in buying a car and driving it? The reason I am a licenced mechanic is I love working on cars, so to work on something with meaning like the charger is just a added fun factor.
Wow, I know I already said this.. but you've definitely got your work cut out for you. Literally! :icon_smile_big:
With that being said, what a damn cool project! I really hope this one gets fully restored. The history behind it and the fact it was in this condition at one point will just make it beyond worth it!
I would have been very deterred if my project started like this, but now that it's in the stages it is.. I really wish it did! Incredible! :2thumbs:
Good luck again! And please keep us all updated on the build! :cheers:
Jeff
Quote from: MxRacer855 on January 30, 2015, 11:13:05 PM
Wow, I know I already said this.. but you've definitely got your work cut out for you. Literally! :icon_smile_big:
With that being said, what a damn cool project! I really hope this one gets fully restored. The history behind it and the fact it was in this condition at one point will just make it beyond worth it!
I would have been very deterred if my project started like this, but now that it's in the stages it is.. I really wish it did! Incredible! :2thumbs:
Good luck again! And please keep us all updated on the build! :cheers:
Jeff
Thanks Jeff, when I actually start on it I'll will begin to post updated pics etc. I want to restore not only to fulfill my desire to have a 69 charger rt but for his kids who are now in their early 30s and didn't really know him and his old friends and family to see the car he once loved and represent a time of his carefree youth days before the tragedy. He would have only been in his late 20s when he passed
I'm just saying that you might ought to consider starting with a better project car that what you are showing here. No disrespect intended, but the reason I started doing ALL my own mechanical work is because I saw how "licensed" mechanics treated the cars they work on. Most hurry up and do the work so they can get the job done faster than the book pays so they can make more money. If they don't have the tools to remove upper a arm bushings, they just use and air chisel and let the chips fly. You know what I'm talking about, right? Not saying all 'licensed" mechanics are that way, but I've seen more than my share. I worked on an axle shaft the other day that had torch marks in it where the previous guy torched the race off. I doubt if you are like that, taking on a project like this. Take pictures of every stage on this one because most will accuse you of just removing the vin number and switching it to another car. That will get you criticized, big time. The Moparts board had a guy that bought a highly talked about car years ago dubbed the "Barrel Cuda". It has been seen in pictures for years all over the net sitting on 4 barrels. It was a Sassy grass 71 440-6 cuda. He had way more to start with than you do, but it was still very rusty. He painstakingly replaced every part of the uni body that was rusted out, which was at least half the car. It was all documented with pictures on his website at every stage. I commend him for his task. He was criticized so bad on the board for replacing so much of the car, they still called it a re body! I think he finally left the board because of it.
Still, good luck with the project. I'm headed to the shop today to see if I can get my 70 R/T rolling again! Time for lower suspension today. And no I did not use an air chisel to remove the bushings! I made a jig to use with my ball joint remover/installer that works like a champ. :2thumbs: Be sure and get the title deal fixed before you spend any money, though.
Quote from: Pat1973charger on January 31, 2015, 12:01:12 AM
Quote from: MxRacer855 on January 30, 2015, 11:13:05 PM
Wow, I know I already said this.. but you've definitely got your work cut out for you. Literally! :icon_smile_big:
With that being said, what a damn cool project! I really hope this one gets fully restored. The history behind it and the fact it was in this condition at one point will just make it beyond worth it!
I would have been very deterred if my project started like this, but now that it's in the stages it is.. I really wish it did! Incredible! :2thumbs:
Good luck again! And please keep us all updated on the build! :cheers:
Jeff
And that is going to make this one AMAZING car! :2thumbs:
:cheers:
Thanks Jeff, when I actually start on it I'll will begin to post updated pics etc. I want to restore not only to fulfill my desire to have a 69 charger rt but for his kids who are now in their early 30s and didn't really know him and his old friends and family to see the car he once loved and represent a time of his carefree youth days before the tragedy. He would have only been in his late 20s when he passed
Great story going on here Pat!
You can't beat free unless they paid you to take it away lol... :2thumbs:
I've fixed worse than that and paid top dollar to buy the bondoed up wreck before hand!!!
Once you fit new rear rails, trunk floor, rear quarters, trunk extensions she will be almost there!
I got a drivers door off a Hemi Charger and a r/h fender off the 'Fast and Furious' 69 Charger, (yes I know its a 70 Charger but its not lol)
Complete hipo 440 and trans with driveshaft...I always find getting a good hood is tricky.
You got white seats, all intact, man you got well lucky.
BEST OF ALL SHE IS GREEN!!!
Good luck with the DMV, they is all aliens....................... :brickwall:
Quote from: 500Jon on January 31, 2015, 11:42:16 AM
Great story going on here Pat!
You can't beat free unless they paid you to take it away lol... :2thumbs:
I've fixed worse than that and paid top dollar to buy the bondoed up wreck before hand!!!
Once you fit new rear rails, trunk floor, rear quarters, trunk extensions she will be almost there!
I got a drivers door off a Hemi Charger and a r/h fender off the 'Fast and Furious' 69 Charger, (yes I know its a 70 Charger but its not lol)
Complete hipo 440 and trans with driveshaft...I always find getting a good hood is tricky.
You got white seats, all intact, man you got well lucky.
BEST OF ALL SHE IS GREEN!!!
Good luck with the DMV, they is all aliens....................... :brickwall:
Thanks! Not sure the seats are pretty bad shape all foam and covers gone and I think the springs are fairly rusty. No matter I have a set from my other charger just they have black covers that need recovering anyway. This is much better then the xp29 I had even though that one looked more complete as the grille and fenders were on and no accident damage but 32 years in a field made up for that. Fastmark I am not disputing your arguement, but in the end it's ultimately my decision and I intend to fix it. I have some mechanic friends who work at dealerships and are paid peace work or flat rate however you want to label it. They tend to cut corners, I take pride in my work and want to be know for the quality of work I do not the quantity, I am hourly paid to boot. I don't intend to cut corners on this resto, if a panel is repairable I will repair it, of not it will be replaced with a new or donor piece.
Hey, I worked in main dealer shops too...
Good mechanic Guys are GOOD mechanics, they don't need to cut corners...
Bodyshop guys well that's a different story LOL!!! :slap:
No disrespect to dealership techs at all I know some who are about quality as well, it's a industry with a bad rep as sad as it is. I was raised to do thibgs as ethical as I can and I try to abide by that. I want my son to grow up respecting people so I will try to emulate that as much as I can to him. Where do you live at 500jon? Probably Cohan arm and leg to ship parts like doors and fenders for these boats lol.
Side thought, is my car F8 green?
Cool thanks.
It sounds like you have the skills, tools, compassion, knowledge and desire to complete this job.
I'm not sure about the money (which will take an enormous amount), but what the hell, you're young and you only live once right! :icon_smile_wink:
As a motivational tool I'm posting some of my recent favorite build threads.
These cars were rusty, smashed, and left for dead...
They would have bypassed as lost causes by some of the finest professionals, yet they were resurrected through the diligence of a few extremely skilled and highly dedicated (hardcore) home restorers!
My hat's off to these guys. :yesnod: They really know how to work with rusty metal. :2thumbs:
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,92289.0.html
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,99159.0.html
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,104414.0.html
Quote from: TUFCAT on January 31, 2015, 10:21:35 PM
It sounds like you have the skills, tools, compassion, knowledge and desire to complete this job.
I'm not sure about the money (which will take an enormous amount), but what the hell, you're young and you only live once right! :icon_smile_wink:
As a motivational tool I'm posting some of my recent favorite build threads.
These cars were rusty, smashed, and left for dead...
They would have bypassed as lost causes by some of the finest professionals, yet they were resurrected through the diligence of a few extremely skilled and highly dedicated (hardcore) home restorers!
My hat's off to these guys. :yesnod: They really know how to work with rusty metal. :2thumbs:
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,92289.0.html
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,99159.0.html
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,104414.0.html
Thanks tufcat, some of those threads are what made me want to take on a build like this in te first place. I'm excited for the challenge. Am I rich, no, am I poor no, the wife and I have a nice house and vehicles and decent jobs but also have a new baby And so on. I have spare money every month which is what I have been using to buy parts. The occasional cash side job helps A lot! As you said I have time if it takes me 5-8 years so be it. Thanks again for the support!
I did auto body for a long time in a previous life, and most people would not restore this car for mostly financial reasons. In your position however you can do what you want without a time frame which makes this a very cool project. I personally love tackling the ones that are really far gone, it's immensely gratifying to bring one back from the dead. :2thumbs:
I have had a lot of cars pass through my hands in the last 30 years and it always surprised me how many had a typo in the registration provided to me, especially the cars registered before dmv computers we common. I would try a search under a previous owners name or try a search with common mistakes such as a 5 for an S.
Talked to the owner prior to my wife's relative this morning he is going to go to the DMV and see if it still in his file.
pulled the k frame and rear end today and put the car on the jig.
(http://www.forbbodiesonly.com/moparforum/attachment.php?attachmentid=236696&stc=1&d=1422830703)
how do i know what rear end i have? i know its posi and has 3.23s original to the car
Does the rear end have a cover on it as if you're looking at it from the rear of the car?
Nope hogs heAd style.
8 3/4. On the drivers side of the center section, up by where the drive shaft mounts, there's a set of numbers. What's the numbers?
ill have to look tomorrow all i have is pics of the numbers that were on the ring gear
Look for a casting number on the side,
The last three digits tell you us what it is , 742 is correct for 68 isn't it hard to tell ,
Trac lock centre, steel clutches, not the lazy sure grip tye ,
There's a good chance it's still in it
At least you don't have to pull much apart to start,
On a jig already ? I think this one is in good hands :2thumbs:
.
Hi Pat,
I'm in the UK, unfortunately for you...sunny England on Sea near France.
On a small Island of Sheeps, in the land of Kent, once owned by King Henry the 8th.
The first ever UK flights were done here by Mr. Charles Stewart Rolls in 1909...
Sorry going off track there for a moment.
It cost me a fortune to ship this stuff from Long Beach LA and it was dear to buy in California.
But if you want rustfree oem Sheetmetal, you have to go there for the best parts....
All the parts you need to rebuild the rearend will be from AMD anyways.
Order the whole lot in one hit and fit it on as one complete unit.
Quarters, rear framerails, trunk floor and extensions, tail-light panel with lower valance.
Whilst your doing all that the Wheel houses are a doddle too....
Sounds hard but I can assure you its not, just look at the pictures of the Mr.Norm C500...
Oh yes and a box full of FLANGE CLAMPS too.......... :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
Quote from: fy469rtse on February 02, 2015, 05:30:21 AM
Look for a casting number on the side,
The last three digits tell you us what it is , 742 is correct for 68 isn't it hard to tell ,
Trac lock centre, steel clutches, not the lazy sure grip tye ,
There's a good chance it's still in it
At least you don't have to pull much apart to start,
On a jig already ? I think this one is in good hands :2thumbs:
.
Thanks! I'll check it after work today
Quote from: 500Jon on February 02, 2015, 06:12:31 AM
Hi Pat,
I'm in the UK, unfortunately for you...sunny England on Sea near France.
On a small Island of Sheeps, in the land of Kent, once owned by King Henry the 8th.
The first ever UK flights were done here by Mr. Charles Stewart Rolls in 1909...
Sorry going off track there for a moment.
It cost me a fortune to ship this stuff from Long Beach LA and it was dear to buy in California.
But if you want rustfree oem Sheetmetal, you have to go there for the best parts....
All the parts you need to rebuild the rearend will be from AMD anyways.
Order the whole lot in one hit and fit it on as one complete unit.
Quarters, rear framerails, trunk floor and extensions, tail-light panel with lower valance.
Whilst your doing all that the Wheel houses are a doddle too....
Sounds hard but I can assure you its not, just look at the pictures of the Mr.Norm C500...
Oh yes and a box full of FLANGE CLAMPS too.......... :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
Thanks!
Easy peasy lemon squeasy...
Oh yes, a good pair of undamaged doors to align the quarters with...
Quote from: TUFCAT on January 31, 2015, 10:21:35 PM
It sounds like you have the skills, tools, compassion, knowledge and desire to complete this job.
x2 :iagree:
Don't let the naysayers bring you down. Follow your dream. If this is what YOU want to do, then DO IT.
Anyone that looks at this like they're going to make money off building one of these cars are kidding themselves anyway, no matter what they start with.
Thanks guys. Not sure I'll be able to buy 1/4s before I put the rails in. Not sure I have the $$ to buy both 1/4s, rear valance, both outer wheel tubs and right inner tub, left trunk gutter and trunk floor drop offs etc. Going to try and start getting parts again soon. I bought all new front and rear rails, torsion and rear crossmembers inner and outer rockers, front and rear leaf spring perches and floorS. Don't need to piss the wife off too much lol.
Wow cool story, so glad you are attempting to rescue that car. It somehow survived this long being forgotten, it will be awesome to see you bring it back. Congrats on the find!
Quote from: Pat1973charger on February 02, 2015, 04:23:19 PM
Thanks guys. Not sure I'll be able to buy 1/4s before I put the rails in. Not sure I have the $$ to buy both 1/4s, rear valance, both outer wheel tubs and right inner tub, left trunk gutter and trunk floor drop offs etc.
Pretty much the point the "naysayers" were making.
Please don't spend a nickel on it until you have a title.
Just think about the look you will get from people when you finish the car and can tell people your story.
"yea I got it for free..found it in the woods"
Quote from: F8-4life on February 02, 2015, 06:23:38 PM
Just think about the look you will get from people when you finish the car and can tell people your story.
"yea I got it for free..found it in the woods"
Agreed! All the parts I had already for my xp29 so I'm still building one out of the two chargers, the satellite and new metal one way or another. It's all in the starting point. I. Sure I can get a title it's just finding out the process. That's if the owner prior to the family member can't get one. The way I see it is DMV ca t find it in. Their records because it's entered into the system on digit wrong. The guy who fies file has been wiped of all information. So if the previous owner gets the DMV to search his history and it shows up a 1969 charger he may be able to get title as he is last known registered owner. Then he signs it and I pay him for his trouble and voila I have a title. So when I go I. To title it in my name I show them the actual vin and get then to get it changed to match ( happens all the time in newer cars I see for safely inspections).
The numbers on the centre section housing are looks like maybe "L28" that is small and "2881489"
You have the 489 center section, which is a good thing.
Quote from: JB400 on February 02, 2015, 08:34:14 PM
You have the 489 center section, which is a good thing.
ill take your word for it lol, the car was special ordered that I know. its the rear end a sure grip? trac loc? i really dont know much about them so you guys will have to educate me lol.
The 489 casing was the standard 8.75 for 1969 but the Sure Grip would still be optional to it even though it's the 8.75. The only way to tell is to test it and the only way to know if it had it originally is with the build sheet or sales paperwork.
I know the history back to the original owner who was an older lady. Everyone says it's original rear end that used to hang around with the two guys that owned it after the lAdy. The car was taken off the road somewhere around 77-78 so it had a short driving career.
Take diff apart, photos of gear side of centre, the guys are right 489 the strongest , except the Dana
Get a factory manual for frame reference measurements , start setting it up,
Plenty to do in between buying panels, keep at it , don't burn yourself trying to do too much too quickly
Great find , keep the faith :2thumbs:
Quote from: fy469rtse on February 03, 2015, 05:49:24 AM
Take diff apart, photos of gear side of centre, the guys are right 489 the strongest , except the Dana
Get a factory manual for frame reference measurements , start setting it up,
Plenty to do in between buying panels, keep at it , don't burn yourself trying to do too much too quickly
Great find , keep the faith :2thumbs:
Someday I will split it. I have the frame specs
, used them to build the jig
That'll buff right out, Assuming you use a sledgehammer for buffing like i do :smash:
Funny you say that baldwinvette, I'm in the middle of all this mess on the east coast and I watched a women with a new Chevy cruise shovelling her car off yesterday with an aluminum shovel...hope it's not a lease ;D
She'll likely try to claim the damage through insurance. ::)
Just got done reading this entire thread....Wow...I will admit that I'm on the side of the crowd that thinks that this car is just too far gone. I also noted that you are the same age as my son. He grew up around A,B, E-bodies that I have owned over the years and he never took an interest in any of them. That has always been kind of a disappointment to me. I could never get him to help me in the garage while he was still living at home. So it looks like you have all the energy and desire in you that he never had. Well good luck making this project happen.
Sons can be very disappointing indeed!
My Mum and Dad wanted me to be a Surveyor?
Not sure why, so I signed up for sixth grade, to keep her happy.
The last day of term I got suspended and never went back.
I did a five year apprenticeship as a 'Machine tool rebuilder'.
Was Ok until the 80's and then no one in the Uk wanted machine tools anymore...so I went into the car trade.
I should have gone back to school and did my punishment, now I'd be rich and not do Car-stuff LOL!!!
My friend in LA lucked into a mint 1971 GTX in Sassy Grass, just like mine...(except mine is a Canadian rust-bucket).
He said he was selling it cheap, as he was fed up trying to get his SON to help him finish her!
She was totally rustfree, fresh paint, rebuilt engine and trans, just needed a weeks work to get her running...
The poor man was devastated at letting her GO...
Why wasn't he MY DAD... I would have done anything to get that car, and his SON could have had it for FREE!!!
Kids EH??? :slap: :slap: :slap:
I'm up for the challenge lol. I hope that my son will take and interest and help me. I feel as though it was the best bonding I had with my dad growing up.
Any luck with the title yet?
DMV called me today and asked me to send a signed letter from the current home owner where I got the car stating that he inherited the car when he bought the property and he was giving it to me. A photo of the VIN plate, a copy of the decoded VIN and a writeup on the while situation.
So all good right? They aren't going to issue a provincial VIN and make you put it on are they?
Quote from: Ghoste on February 06, 2015, 06:10:58 AM
So all good right? They aren't going to issue a provincial VIN and make you put it on are they?
Sent all the documents and photos off yesterday, we will see what they say. I stated in the letter that I wanted a title for the vin on the dash not a provincial tag as the value of the car lies in the vin. I will let you guys know how it goes. Let's all pray lol.
:2thumbs: :popcrn:
The guy at the DMV told me it would be a week this morning till they had a decision. He just called me back and said they approved me for a title! This is one happy dude here haha. Let the games begin! :icon_smile_big:
Well that means its up to you now. The one thing that was out of your hands came out good, so get started
:buff: :hack: :paintingpink:
Quote from: Pat1973charger on February 06, 2015, 12:15:25 PM
The guy at the DMV told me it would be a week this morning till they had a decision. He just called me back and said they approved me for a title! This is one happy dude here haha. Let the games begin! :icon_smile_big:
wow that's good to hear :dance: :cheers: :2thumbs: ...... :popcrn:
Sweet! Glad it worked out. I had to fill out a couple rounds of paperwork and try to contact the last registered owner before I was issued a title for my project. The whole process took about 6 weeks and about $60 bucks, but it all worked out. Scott.
Hi, I remember your other Charger. For those that don't know or remember, This R/T is in twice as nice shape as his other one. I hope you get the title & restore this R/T. Good luck to you. :2thumbs: LEON.
P.S. Link below to his other Charger.
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,110864.msg1361045.html#msg1361045
Quote from: hemi-hampton on February 06, 2015, 05:52:27 PM
Hi, I remember your other Charger. For those that don't know or remember, This R/T is in twice as nice shape as his other one. I hope you get the title & restore this R/T. Good luck to you. :2thumbs: LEON.
P.S. Link below to his other Charger.
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,110864.msg1361045.html#msg1361045
Thanks Leon! Yes my other one, although seemingly more complete was rusted so badly I think you would be hard pressed to find one worse. The build will commence soon right now trying to deal with this snow mess.
I'm glad everything worked out Pat.
Now the real fun begins!
TPR
Thanks for the support, I feel much better about this car then the xp29 I have. Plus it's an R/T!!
Good to see the first hurdle cleared. :2thumbs:
Quote from: Ghoste on February 09, 2015, 06:48:09 AM
Good to see the first hurdle cleared. :2thumbs:
Definatly a relief, have to go to the DMV Wednesday to sign a statutory declaration and drop off the vin verification form I had filled out by the RCMP that's verifies that the vin is on what I say it's on. Then they will send that all the head office and they will issue a title. I did manage to split the front clip from the firewall on the satellite to gain access to the firewall.
(http://www.forbbodiesonly.com/moparforum/attachment.php?attachmentid=238292&d=1423623760)
here it is after all the paperwork and emails and phone calls its officially mine, time to get dirty! :hack: :cheers:
(http://www.forbbodiesonly.com/moparforum/attachment.php?attachmentid=238929&d=1423803551)
Quote from: Pat1973charger on February 13, 2015, 12:04:26 AM
here it is after all the paperwork and emails and phone calls its officially mine, time to get dirty! :hack: :cheers:
(http://www.forbbodiesonly.com/moparforum/attachment.php?attachmentid=238929&d=1423803551)
:cheers: Congrats! I've been struggling with ICBC here in B.C to get a title for my 1970 Coronet. It was last registered in Alberta so it's causing some issues. If it was registered in B.C last, I'd already have the title but the Alberta thing is throwing a wrench in it all.
Let the real work begin. :buff:
Quote from: 69bronzeT5 on February 13, 2015, 01:16:13 AM
Quote from: Pat1973charger on February 13, 2015, 12:04:26 AM
here it is after all the paperwork and emails and phone calls its officially mine, time to get dirty! :hack: :cheers:
(http://www.forbbodiesonly.com/moparforum/attachment.php?attachmentid=238929&d=1423803551)
:cheers: Congrats! I've been struggling with ICBC here in B.C to get a title for my 1970 Coronet. It was last registered in Alberta so it's causing some issues. If it was registered in B.C last, I'd already have the title but the Alberta thing is throwing a wrench in it all.
They can be a real pain in the rear, I have a build sheet for a 70 coronet 500 just not one for my car lol
Congratulations
I knew it could be done.
That was fast. You would still be jumping thru hoops here.
Awesome :popcrn:
Cool, Start cutting & get to work :hack: :paintingpink: :pushup: LEON.
Good for you on the title. :2thumbs:
The process seems wide open to fraud. But on the other hand, it's great it's not so Black-and-white that legitimit situations, like yours, can't be handled. I wish Ohio had something like that.
Looking forward to your build thread.
Now get to work! You'll be staring at 40 before you know it. ;)
Thanks guys going to continue stripping the satellite this weekend to free up room in my garage.
WOW. You got the title fast! That was some seriously awesome leg work on your part.... :yesnod: Congrats on beginning your project :2thumbs:
I was surprised as well Tufcat, they told me on Wednesday it may take 4 weeks for a decision but the (incredibly attractive and nice) girl at the DMV called me Thursday morning and said it was a go. I wasted no time in getting the title as you see lol.
good stuff :2thumbs: :popcrn:
Quote from: Pat1973charger on February 14, 2015, 06:53:17 AM
.....the (incredibly attractive and nice) girl at the DMV called me Thursday morning..
Okay,...now we're going to need some pictures! :drool5:
I'll see what I can do next time I go lol :scratchchin:
:popcrn: :popcrn: waiting
Good luck on the rebuild Can't wait to see the finished product
A little progress this weekend, removed the rip rails and roof skin from the satellite as I plan to use some of the front inner roof structure. Here are a few pics as well as one of my 6 month old with the shirt I got him made for Christmas on. He's a chubby little dude considering both his parents are fairly thin lol but thats ok he is my #1, hope someday he will help me in the garage maybe we can build another mopar together! I do have whats left of the XP29 with a clean title haha
(http://www.forbbodiesonly.com/moparforum/attachment.php?attachmentid=239618&d=1424172436)
holy crap there are alot of spot welds on these drip rails!
(http://www.forbbodiesonly.com/moparforum/attachment.php?attachmentid=239619&d=1424172436)
(http://www.forbbodiesonly.com/moparforum/attachment.php?attachmentid=239620&d=1424172436)
(http://www.forbbodiesonly.com/moparforum/attachment.php?attachmentid=239616&d=1424172401)
Looking good Pat,
If I remember right, there were just over 100 spot welds on each drip rail.
Good looking boy! And where I'm from we dont call that chubby, we call that healthy!
Thanks Don! He's a cute little bugger lol wasn't really happy for this photo.hope to get back at the car again soon, all this mess has been wearing me out on top of busy at work 8-6 and te little guy makes for slow progress
He's just concerned that Dad won't get it done by the time he's 16.
Get going Dad! ;)
Hey that car can wait!
When he gets a little older, spend as much time with him as you can!
Believe me, before you know it he'll be grown!
Haha, Awwwww :icon_smile_big:
Quote from: mopar4don on February 18, 2015, 12:09:59 PM
Hey that car can wait!
When he gets a little older, spend as much time with him as you can!
Believe me, before you know it he'll be grown!
Thanks! To everyone he is first priority I try to spend lots of time with him Now. I used to think that I wanted him to get old enough that he could walk and come out and around with me, that was before he was born. Now as he grows now I am
Missing my baby boy.
Quote from: mopar4don on February 18, 2015, 07:20:46 AM
Looking good Pat,
If I remember right, there were just over 100 spot welds on each drip rail.
Good looking boy! And where I'm from we dont call that chubby, we call that healthy!
Wait till they start walking, They get skinny real fast then.
And hey if your still not done with the Charger when he's 16 you didnt learn him wrenching early enough.
Haha I guess your right!
Just read through this whole thread... nice!!! I personally love bringing cars back from the dead, especially when they have a history like your car. Congrats on the title... Your a step ahead IMO because it was free. I paid 5,000 for mine thought it was in pretty good shape until I started digging into it. Found out the patches in the trunk weren't done very well etc. long story short I've replaced most of the car and it's only a big block car (non RT). Made a great pro-touring car. Have fun, it will be worth it when it's all over. Building your own car from Scratch is very rewarding.
Link to mine below
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,67718.0.html (http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,67718.0.html)
Wow, moving along fast! this ones is going to be exciting!!! :2thumbs: :cheers:
:popcrn: :popcrn: :popcrn: :popcrn: :popcrn:
Hope for more progress over the weekend. Work Saturday so only really leaves Sunday.
so no real progress other then the satellite is nothing more then a pile of pieces in my garage waiting to be blasted and be installed in their final location on the charger someday. A friend of mine who knew the guy that owned the car when it was taken off of the road sent me this pic of the car taken on the day of the accident in 1980. he also informed me that hes pretty sure the original 440 in in an old building at the very same junk yard where i got the satellite.
(http://www.forbbodiesonly.com/moparforum/attachment.php?attachmentid=254425&stc=1&d=1430097415)
Cool that you are able to find and keep the History on this car.
:popcrn:
Very cool Pat,
keep going , the car in my avatar , very similar to yours, strip delete, stripped to a rolling shell , lots of rust and damage,
in no time at all you will have a complete body,
your have just taken a short cut , if it had been complete, you would had to strip it and cut the usual rust out anyway
hope the find on the original motor works out , bonus if the trans still attached :2thumbs:
Thanks! Original trans would be nice although I'd like to swap to 4 speed I think who knows, have to worry about a body to put those in first
Quote from: Pat1973charger on April 29, 2015, 08:40:28 PM
Thanks! Original trans would be nice although I'd like to swap to 4 speed I think who knows, have to worry about a body to put those in first
if you need 4-speed pedals i just bought a set for 7$ :lol:
(http://i1159.photobucket.com/albums/p637/RubyThePUP/hkgk%20007_zpsexpio1w0.jpg) (http://s1159.photobucket.com/user/RubyThePUP/media/hkgk%20007_zpsexpio1w0.jpg.html)
You probabaly have a lot more second gen b bodies in junk yards up there then I do.
Quote from: Pat1973charger on April 29, 2015, 08:50:54 PM
You probabaly have a lot more second gen b bodies in junk yards up there then I do.
most have been pick over, i actually found these pedals in thee woods on this thing :shruggy:
(http://i1159.photobucket.com/albums/p637/RubyThePUP/hkgk%20003_zpszypmgbpe.jpg) (http://s1159.photobucket.com/user/RubyThePUP/media/hkgk%20003_zpszypmgbpe.jpg.html)
Such a cool build!
When my car is finished, there's no doubt in my mind I'll wish it was this bad when I started!
That would make it a thousand times more AWESOME!!!
:2thumbs: :cheers:
Jeff
Haha thanks Jeff, I wish mine was as good as yours to start with, would make life slightly easier and cheaper. Although I do like the challenge ::)
That car makes mine look great lol, the last car I found in the woods became the topic of this thread lol
I found out this morning from a guy who was friends with the last owner of this car that te quarter damage happened when they rounded a corner driving like hell and there was a 71 charger on side of road with a flat and they hit it.
7 bucks? Baldwin tthats a steal.
ouch so two chargers were killed that faithful day?... Well atleast one will live on :yesnod:
And how much are 4-speed pedals typically sold for ghoste????
Shhhh ghoste! Baldwin will put a big markup if I want him to get me some lol
Considerably more, the set in photo do look pretty crusty but blasted, repainted and with new bushings etc they seem to get asking prices as high as 300 US. I bought a set for 75CAN that were refurbished so that should give some idea. :shruggy:
Original or not, I know Brewer's Performance has them in the triple digits...
You should pay under 100$ for something original
so some slight progress, drilled out the welds along the right trunk gutter and cut the rest of that smashed quarter off. Structure and wheel houses are quite twisted :o. I have a question for you hardcore metal replacement guru's. I need to replace/ repair a good chunk of roof structure areas, inner and outer rockers, door posts and rear lock pillars, floors frame rails etc the list goes on. I am wondering where you guys think I start with the metal replacement? Thanks in advance I know any info I receive here will be very helpful. Here are a few pics of the progess.
(http://www.forbbodiesonly.com/moparforum/attachment.php?attachmentid=262595&stc=1&d=1434506185)
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You need to build a body jig if you don't have one already.
That thing is straighter than "LEE #1"
and we all know how that turned out !!
Quote from: Cncguy on June 22, 2015, 08:29:17 AM
You need to build a body jig if you don't have one already.
I have it on a jig built by the spec sheet.
Quote from: 451-74Charger on June 22, 2015, 10:52:35 AM
That thing is straighter than "LEE #1"
and we all know how that turned out !!
Wasn't that basically a rebody? I didn't really read the whole thread that time.
Progress is always nice.. even if its technically going backwards :lol: :cheers:
also, i havent forgotten about your header thing or bumper brackets.. or pedals if you want those too.... wait no.. i always forget about them :brickwall:
LMAO Baldwin, all good as you can see I don't need them yet. Let me know when you get them ready to go. It is backwards progress but sadly the more rotted pieces I remove the better it looks lol
Hey, random request, but do you have any pictures of the satellite you tore apart, or about what you paid for it? i might sell my olds and look for a 2 door 68 or 69 as a daily and im trying to get an idea of what you get for your money :scratchchin:
I think the place to start would be frame rails then floor pans. Then you my need to send body out to frame straightener. After all that is where it needs to be you can weld in the inner wheelhouses and inner fenders.
My satellite was a junkyard find, it was all together but sitting for 25 years without a trunk lid and flat tires all around did a number on the floors and frame rails. They were there but very rotted. I was originally going to use it Asa "template" to rebuild my xp29 charger,build from the bottom up and in the end swap in the charger roof structure. It was gutted of all interior and drivetrain aside from the 8.75 and front subframe. So as a comparison to a driver it's not a good one lol. I paid $300 for it for parts, I will be using some of the roof structure in the RT as well as the rear quarter window supports, A pillers and possibly the firewall. I would think for a plain /6 or 318 satellite in driver condition you'd be out 6-8k but that's a guess.
Quote from: Pat1973charger on June 22, 2015, 09:20:44 PM
My satellite was a junkyard find, it was all together but sitting for 25 years without a trunk lid and flat tires all around did a number on the floors and frame rails. They were there but very rotted. I was originally going to use it Asa "template" to rebuild my xp29 charger,build from the bottom up and in the end swap in the charger roof structure. It was gutted of all interior and drivetrain aside from the 8.75 and front subframe. So as a comparison to a driver it's not a good one lol. I paid $300 for it for parts, I will be using some of the roof structure in the RT as well as the rear quarter window supports, A pillers and possibly the firewall. I would think for a plain /6 or 318 satellite in driver condition you'd be out 6-8k but that's a guess.
Neat, theres a junk satellite in a yard here too.... probably even worse than the one you have, but same price :lol:
(http://i1159.photobucket.com/albums/p637/RubyThePUP/junkyarding%20025_zpsd4i0t2e2.jpg) (http://s1159.photobucket.com/user/RubyThePUP/media/junkyarding%20025_zpsd4i0t2e2.jpg.html)
(http://i1159.photobucket.com/albums/p637/RubyThePUP/junkyarding%20024_zpswngtkui2.jpg) (http://s1159.photobucket.com/user/RubyThePUP/media/junkyarding%20024_zpswngtkui2.jpg.html)
Slight thread hijack :lol:
About the same maybe a bit better
For freeeeeeeeeeeee 69 R/T :popcrn: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
But Dude that is alot of work damn! :scratchchin: If you can make it.. will the car every be straight again? the Metal is twisted, so is the Frame.. would be a hard Job to get it right. :shruggy:
I wish you all the best with it.. it is a XS R/T so it is worth you effort :Twocents: to make it your dream ride :2thumbs:
Quote from: Mikesmoparperformance on June 23, 2015, 05:06:40 PM
For freeeeeeeeeeeee 69 R/T :popcrn: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
But Dude that is alot of work damn! :scratchchin: If you can make it.. will the car every be straight again? the Metal is twisted, so is the Frame.. would be a hard Job to get it right. :shruggy:
I wish you all the best with it.. it is a XS R/T so it is worth you effort :Twocents: to make it your dream ride :2thumbs:
Thanks. I am hoping the factory frame specs will get it close and then when it's solid enough maybe get it checked I a frame machine.
any further progress? love the thread.
Working on pulling the roof skin off
Now, just waiting for enough to do an update. Thanks for watching !!
keep up the good work. takes monster balls to take on a project like that. I think its great and wish you the best of luck. you deserve an RT.
That is a ton of work there. I would have had a heart attack if that was my project. Good luck.
I take it all in stride acudanut, it's overwhelming if you look at all that needs to bed done but I am trying to go one bit at a time. With a 10 month old son and being so nuts at work I only get a few hours a week lately so progress is slow.
small update, I got the roof skin off the R/T (in pieces) and started dismantling the xp29 I had bought last summer which is now a parts wreck.
(http://www.forbbodiesonly.com/moparforum/attachment.php?attachmentid=265937&stc=1&d=1436745919)
(http://www.forbbodiesonly.com/moparforum/attachment.php?attachmentid=265936&stc=1&d=1436745919%5Dhttp://)
she is quite rotted under the roof skin even thought the skin was pretty decent, the xp29 skin was rotted bad but structure was better (not good) but better then this :shruggy:
(http://www.forbbodiesonly.com/moparforum/attachment.php?attachmentid=265938&stc=1&d=1436745919)
(http://www.forbbodiesonly.com/moparforum/attachment.php?attachmentid=265939&stc=1&d=1436745919)
here is the xp29 or what was :o the huge amount of snow we had this winter here crushed it in on itself some.
(http://www.forbbodiesonly.com/moparforum/attachment.php?attachmentid=265940&stc=1&d=1436745919)
(http://www.forbbodiesonly.com/moparforum/attachment.php?attachmentid=265941&stc=1&d=1436746069)
(http://www.forbbodiesonly.com/moparforum/attachment.php?attachmentid=265942&stc=1&d=1436746069)
anyone need a quarter skin? :rofl:
(http://www.forbbodiesonly.com/moparforum/attachment.php?attachmentid=265943&stc=1&d=1436746069)
I wish i was there to help, that looks like fun :drool5:
Hmmm that package tray still looks decent...and mine is all hacked up... :scratchchin:
Quote from: Baldwinvette77 on July 15, 2015, 08:48:24 PM
I wish i was there to help, that looks like fun :drool5:
I wish you were here to help Baldwin, I could use it!
Quote from: Dino on July 15, 2015, 08:51:52 PM
Hmmm that package tray still looks decent...and mine is all hacked up... :scratchchin:
You picked that out dino, I think that may be the only complete panel from the entire car without a Hole in it :-\
I put the roof structure and firewall from the satellite on my hoist to make it easier to work on. I removed the right hinge pillar as it was rusted badly and the panel behind it needed patching. I orderd new hinge pillars this week.
(http://www.forbbodiesonly.com/moparforum/attachment.php?attachmentid=268541&stc=1&d=1437952028)
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Progress is nice :popcrn:
I think many will be proud of you once this resto is done... :o
I think I could lift your shell with one hand at this point. Keep at it, and don't give up :cheers:
Quote from: 6spd68 on July 31, 2015, 07:56:52 AM
I think many will be proud of you once this resto is done... :o
I think I could lift your shell with one hand at this point. Keep at it, and don't give up :cheers:
Thanks! When I look at it sometimes it gets discouraging but I jut have too look at one piece at a time and not the big picture.
hey the rear end still hanging in there not fair lol
The original sure grip was in it and it actually had a hole rusted in the housing
in the housing? that's some serious rust.
Yup, at the top of what would be the diff cover on one with a bolt on cover. The trunk floor was rotted and the water was dripping directly on that spot.
here are a few pics of mocking up the door posts I picked up.
(http://www.forbbodiesonly.com/moparforum/attachment.php?attachmentid=271790&stc=1&d=1439517391)
(http://www.forbbodiesonly.com/moparforum/attachment.php?attachmentid=271791&stc=1&d=1439517391)
I also ordered all of my parts from AMD to finish up the rear. Two new full quarters, tail panel, rear valance, valance corners, trunk extensions, and a roof skin.
:popcrn:
Hey Baldwin, any luck with boxes for those parts lol ;)
Huh? oh. ohyeah.. sure i... yeah :leaving:
It's not like I am in dire need of them yet lol
today was like christmas! :icon_smile_big:
(http://www.forbbodiesonly.com/moparforum/attachment.php?attachmentid=272764&stc=1&d=1440038570)
(http://www.forbbodiesonly.com/moparforum/attachment.php?attachmentid=272763&stc=1&d=1440038570)
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anyone ever hear of this place?
(http://www.forbbodiesonly.com/moparforum/attachment.php?attachmentid=272767&d=1440038624)
YEEEEEEEEEEEEEES :cheers: :popcrn:
Wow... I have to say that will be a sweet car when it's done. My car was destroyed from rust when I got it, but yours beats mine. At least you didn't have to pay for yours and that more than pays for the AMD parts. Coming along very well so far. :2thumbs:
I couldn't help myself :icon_smile_big:
(http://www.forbbodiesonly.com/moparforum/attachment.php?attachmentid=272866&stc=1&d=1440123857)
(http://www.forbbodiesonly.com/moparforum/attachment.php?attachmentid=272867&stc=1&d=1440123857)
Lookin' good my friend. Another one about to be brought back from the brink of non existence but shear determination. Keep up the stellar effort. :2thumbs:
I don't see pics, just red X's? LEON.
Nice, even opted for an invisible passenger quarterpanel :popcrn: james bond would be envious :coolgleamA:
Thanks guys, Leon, I tried it on my computer and my phone and the pics work both places. :shruggy:
OK, I see the pics now. Have fun. LEON.
Badass! Now it's getting exciting!
Jeff
Quote from: MxRacer855 on September 05, 2015, 07:33:46 PM
Badass! Now it's getting exciting!
Jeff
Thanks Jeff! Watching build like yours and Dons and countless others helps keep me motivated. Progress is slow right now as work is still busy and my wife has returned to work from a year of maternity leave. She is a shift work nurse so a lot of evenings I have our one year old boy. I will post an update once I have enough to make it worth while!
What a project. You are mad! :cheers:
Good for you!! Don't get discouraged. It will be a lot of hard work, time and money. Not that you didn't already know that. But to echo what others have said, where there is a will, there is a way.
any updates? you must know the welding suppliers buy name now
:popcrn:
Hey guys, not much progress. Busy time of year at work plus my little guy is a going concern now he's almost walking, plus the wife back to shift work again, and we just bought a new rig for her, 2016 Cherokee trailhawk loaded so the search for that took up some time. I got the rear inner webbing that makes up the rear window area separated from the roof structure I want to use. I also started blasting the firewall and got a few small patches made and welded in. Hope to soon finish the blasting and get the structure in epoxy. I will post some pics when I feel I had enough for a progress report. Thanks for keeping tabs on my build guys!!
Its a pretty cool build, the best price, AND one of the lowest starting points, can't help but watch :popcrn:
:popcrn:
So here are a few pics of the patches I have been picking at, as you can see progress is slow but progress is progress I suppose.
Sometimes iphone pics suck
(http://www.forbbodiesonly.com/moparforum/attachment.php?attachmentid=299477&stc=1&d=1451431405)
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:2thumbs: :popcrn:
first new metal to go in place, right inner and outer rockers. I forgot to take pics of removal of the twisted quarter windoow structure and old rocker removal. right now its just clamped and screwed in place as most of the surrounding metal is being replaced at some point. hers a couple pics.
(http://www.forbbodiesonly.com/moparforum/attachment.php?attachmentid=301143&d=1452375200)
(http://www.forbbodiesonly.com/moparforum/attachment.php?attachmentid=301144&d=1452375200)
GOD DAMN IT, i keep forgetting to ship t.... i mean... GOOD WORK!! :cheers:
Quote from: Baldwinvette77 on January 09, 2016, 08:17:15 PM
GOD DAMN IT, i keep forgetting to ship t.... i mean... GOOD WORK!! :cheers:
haha baldwin I assumed that, no huge hurry just thought Id refresh you the other week ;)
Side note, anyone have or know where I can get a set (4) of the front floor pan braces for a 68-70 b body? I thought I could use mine but they are roached ::), I shoiuld have known that.
http://www.autometaldirect.com/amd-66-70-b-body-main-floor-pan-support-set-p-4487.html
these?
That's them, was hoping for a set that was a bit less then $200 by the time I get them.
you need to write a "hardest way to restore a charger" book lol
Quote from: Pat1973charger on January 09, 2016, 08:29:08 PM
That's them, was hoping for a set that was a bit less then $200 by the time I get them.
i know that feeling :pity: Thats why my charger is made from old fence posts and my neighbours old washing machine..among other things
http://www.summitracing.com/int/parts/amd-425-1466-s/overview/
summit has them too, they have better shipping rates usually.
Ill keep looking it will be awhile before it gets a front floor.
awesome work :popcrn:
Respect for making this happen!! Is I saw the car I would think that one is gone.. To far.. But you are taking that challenges with it Amazing!
Thanks guys, it's a huge undertaking but hoping I can make it into something.
This is Killer!
i have this odd condition, where the bigger a POS the car is, the more excited i get about fixing it. This takes the cake, and i love that you're totally nailing it. It makes everything just that much cooler.
Well done.
Quote from: Swilling on January 11, 2016, 09:02:46 PM
This is Killer!
i have this odd condition, where the bigger a POS the car is, the more excited i get about fixing it. This takes the cake, and i love that you're totally nailing it. It makes everything just that much cooler.
Well done.
Thanks! That's a pretty awesome at you just scored and sounds like you had a hell of a fun adventure to boot!
I have the same condition by the way, hence why this is happening lol :brickwall: :-\
Quote from: Mikesmoparperformance on January 11, 2016, 05:31:29 PM
Respect for making this happen!! Is I saw the car I would think that one is gone.. To far.. But you are taking that challenges with it Amazing!
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:popcrn: impressive :2thumbs:
Quote from: Pat1973charger on January 11, 2016, 11:54:48 PM
Thanks! That's a pretty awesome at you just scored and sounds like you had a hell of a fun adventure to boot!
I have the same condition by the way, hence why this is happening lol :brickwall: :-\
You also got the car for free, so you're basically covering the cost of the metal in a sense of what you would've paid for an RT shell from some schmuck with dollar signs in his eyes. :2thumbs:
Yeah, considering what you paid, you got a good amount of charger for your money :2thumbs:
That's how I see it 6spd68 and Baldwin, just a little more work as well. You might say I paid around $110 for the shell, $10 gas running back and forth when I got it, the rest was the title process and taxes.
Figured I'd use my first post to say this is a great project. I like your optimism and with that, this will be no problem. How many guys can say they have built their car from the ground up. Not me for sure :2thumbs:
Quote from: out there on January 12, 2016, 06:15:43 PM
Figured I'd use my first post to say this is a great project. I like your optimism and with that, this will be no problem. How many guys can say they have built their car from the ground up. Not me for sure :2thumbs:
Thanks! And welcome to the site! I'm sure you'll love it here!
Small update, I added some bracing. I guess I got a little ahead of myself cutting and drilling and forgot to make sure I have a point to go back to. I also removed the rotted and torched up left outer wheelhouse and test fit the new one. I am impressed at the fitment considering it's a goodmark part. Next time I go at it I think I will work on removing the twisted right wheel houses. The bracing is fitted into the notches on the a piller so I can use it to locate the new roof structure when I do that. The rear part of the bracing is bolted to the roof in factory holes also to be used as a guide when reinstalling the new roof. I also cut out the old torsion crossmember and test fit the new one.
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sorry for crappy pics took them with my phone
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Keep it up
Removed the lower window frame/roof webbing to gain access to the twisted package tray end support. Started working the end support back into shape. Not too bad so far for a auto mechanic not a body man lol
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Wow, I just read through this entire thread and I have to say that is one of the most intense restorations I have ever seen. Any updates?
I have been at it but haven't put together an update yet.
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Need to pick the brains of you guy who have installed new quarters and outer rockers on your 2nd gen chargers. I moched my right quarter on to ensure the door jamb,wheelhouse and rear roof structure was all where it needs to be. All seems well but where the quarter meets the rocker on the side there is a gap. What I mean is the rocker dips in to accept the qaurter to lay flush, from the edge of the quarter to the edge of the dip there is about a 1/2" or so gap. Quarter is aligned with the jamb and fits in all other contact areas well. I rechecked my door opening measurements and those are right. I also checked the measurement from the front edge of the rocker to the front edge of the qaurter seam at the rocker and It was within 1/8" from original to the new parts. Just wondering if other people have run into this? I can't see how it will matter as it's covered by lead or whatever type of filler is used. Thanks in Advanvce.
If I'm understanding this right you're talking about a tolerance gap. The recessed part on the rocker skin is wider than it should be but that's possibly done on purpose to make the part fit all Chargers seeing they have such loose tolerances.
Once welded you can fill it with lead or filler but you can also mark where your quarter ends on the rocker and hammer part of the recess outward to close the gap and fill it with weld only.
If this is not what you're talking about then my bad!
Got pics?
I do have a pic I will try and get it loaded after work. Seems as though we are talking the same area. The recess for the quarter to lay flat against the rocker. I didn't have much luck looking through the threads on here of a Pick that area. I assumed it was made a little large ok purpose but was not 100% sure. My rockers are goodmark that I bought a couple of years ago for my other charger (before I knew better) but besides this they seem to fit great and they came with the bracing already inside. The only part I am totally dissatisfied with is the torsion crossmember, it is junk.
Pat, you will need to shrink or pie cut that area. Otherwise it will bunch up there. Make sure you have a straight edge handy too.
Ok, any photos or more info on what you mean or where the cut needs to be?
Hi Pat,
(according to CDR) the valance corners attach to the quarters first then the ends of the cross member are bent to line up with the valance corner flange.
Here is his link. Look on page 20 about 2/3 down.
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,90903.475.html
Hi Don, thanks for the link, definitely good info for when I get there. What I am talking about right now is the front end of the quarter where it sits against the rocker. I have a pic but can't attach it from my phone.
Quote from: mopar4don on March 15, 2016, 11:41:21 AM
Hi Pat,
(according to CDR) the valance corners attach to the quarters first then the ends of the cross member are bent to line up with the valance corner flange.
Here is his link. Look on page 20 about 2/3 down.
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,90903.475.html
I totally agree with Charlie on that portion. But I was referring to the join of the quarter to the rocker at the rear most edge of the door opening .
This gap is filled in with lead from the factory, the lead rarely goes all the way under rocker. Sample pic of the area below. after some rust work repair. LEON.
Good luck bro :popcrn:
Pic of Problem area. LEON.
Thanks for uploading the pic Leon.
I was cutting off a Quarter panel from a 71 SS Chevelle Convertible yesterday & noticed it's factory gap that was leaded was pretty big & wide. Took a picture just for you. LEON.
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Quote from: Pat1973charger on February 13, 2015, 12:04:26 AM
here it is after all the paperwork and emails and phone calls its officially mine, time to get dirty! :hack: :cheers:
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:cheers: Congrats! I've been struggling with ICBC here in B.C to get a title for my 1970 Coronet. It was last registered in Alberta so it's causing some issues. If it was registered in B.C last, I'd already have the title but the Alberta thing is throwing a wrench in it all.
Mine was the exact opposite of your situation. My 69 charger was last registered in B.C. and I bought it in Alberta. I had to get a repaired title... didn't matter to me though... because I have my dream car!!
Thanks Leon. Seems as though the gap may be just an aftermarket thing. Probabaly doesn't help I have two different manufacturers do the rocker and quarter.
What's the code for this paint color? I really like it
The green that my car was originally? I am pretty sure it is F8.
Quote from: Pat1973charger on April 01, 2016, 09:28:22 PM
The green that my car was originally? I am pretty sure it is F8.
Yes, the original green is very cool looking.
Btw, this whole thread is damn impressive. I can't wait to see the finished product man. Good luck!
Thanks, I have been at it a decent amount lately but small tedious patch work. Fabbed some rear lower window channel pieces and sectioned a piece into the lower roof structure on the left side. I also fabricated a new package tray end support for the left side, years with no back window left water pooling in the corners and rotted it away in the left side. Right side was solid because the way it was twisted from the accident allowed the water to flow off of it. My car will be going the original F8 green when done.
here we go, an update finally! I have been at the car just haven't had chance to make and update. Since last update I fabbed a new package tray end support for the left side as it was rotten. Also patched the rear roof inner structure pieces.
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Here are the rest of the photos. You can see I swapped in the roof and firewall from the satellite. Also pics of the roof structure repairs, in the one pic you can see the transition that needs to be welded where the satellite roof structure is being grafted to the charger to make the rear window right. I had new front frame rails and door hinge pillars but came across a guy selling this whole front clip which is supposed to be from a 68 hemi road runner. Who knows what it's from as numbers are cut out but all I care is its rust free and already 3/4 blasted! Saves me a lot of work as everything is fully assembled so I will
Probabaly remove the satellite firewall I installed and swap this in at the a pillers.
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I removed the rotten front frame rails and inner fenders to get ready to swap in the new front clip. Also I fitted the rear roof structure pieces around the rear window. i test fit the quarters and roof skin to make sure the window opening worked also test the glass.
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last night I removed what was left of the rotten rear rails, seat pan and trunk floor.
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sorry for the long update guys. Tonight I didn't have a lot of time but I did a quick slap together of the rear end parts. Considering I didn't work at all to make anything fit perfectly I am considerably happy with the trial.
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So far so good. LEON. :2thumbs:
looking good :2thumbs: :popcrn:
Thanks guys, it's nice to see some new pieces in place. Right now it's a trial and error thing putting pieces on and taking them off to make sure everything is lining up just how it should. Then I'll weld all the structure pieces and floors home and it'll be solid enough to take the jig off its levelling legs and roll outside to finish the blasting.
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Very nice! Love seeing your progress keep up the great work!
Pat
Quote from: keepat on September 08, 2016, 11:34:59 PM
Very nice! Love seeing your progress keep up the great work!
Pat
I agree with Pat
Outstanding work going on here :cheers:
Thanks! Don so wish I would have had a rear frame section to work with like you did! Your build thread was the one that inspired me to even attempt to fix this thing. I have a question for those who've installed trunk pans. How far should the trunk floor stick out past the rear crossmember if there is even suppose to be any overhang at all? My original was rotted completely away in this area so I could not tell.
I believe it should be pretty much flush.
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This picture shows how my pan was bent at the wrong spot and had to be reworked.
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New parts! I had bought rear spring mounts already but in reading through various threads found out they were fro a plymouth. when I ordered them the website said 66-70 b body plymouth and dodge. I am just glad I found this out before I welded or got to paint. when i placed the order for the mounts I ordered the deck filler and a rear upper roof bow (roof bow back ordered). I managed to cut out what was left of the rotted front floor and trial fitted the seat pan.
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Quote from: Pat1973charger on September 07, 2016, 11:00:23 PM
sorry for the long update guys. Tonight I didn't have a lot of time but I did a quick slap together of the rear end parts. Considering I didn't work at all to make anything fit perfectly I am considerably happy with the trial.
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Shes coming along there. Keep up the good work man! 😀
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more test fitting...
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All very nice work. Not meaning to dis your work in any way (wish I had your skills) but, slightly off topic, at what point does it cease to be a 1969 Charger and become a replica of a 69 Charger made from a lot of mostly pattern and non Dodge parts? From where I'm looking there is going to be a very small % of the original (when I say original I mean original as in having had those exact parts when it left the factory) car left upon completion....especially as it was gutted inside and dispossessed of any funning gear. Now having said that, if I was going to drive it on a regular basis, would I want a 69 Charger from 1969 or would I like an exact replica of a 1969 Charger built today.....hmmmm?
::) Who cares? After it's been painted, nobody will see the difference.
Very true and as I said I wont like this Charger any less than any other.......just promoting discussion! :2thumbs:
Quote from: alfaitalia on October 19, 2016, 09:06:38 AM
Very true and as I said I wont like this Charger any less than any other.......just promoting discussion! :2thumbs:
I've seen many of those discussions on this board over the years. I don't know if Pat would like one in his build thread though. ;)
Fair enough!! Ill leave it there.....maybe Ill search for some or those older threads.....just for entertainment value you understand!
Wow, thats looking good.. even if it is just a test :popcrn:
Quote from: alfaitalia on October 19, 2016, 06:37:14 AM
All very nice work. Not meaning to dis your work in any way (wish I had your skills) but, slightly off topic, at what point does it cease to be a 1969 Charger and become a replica of a 69 Charger made from a lot of mostly pattern and non Dodge parts? From where I'm looking there is going to be a very small % of the original (when I say original I mean original as in having had those exact parts when it left the factory) car left upon completion....especially as it was gutted inside and dispossessed of any funning gear. Now having said that, if I was going to drive it on a regular basis, would I want a 69 Charger from 1969 or would I like an exact replica of a 1969 Charger built today.....hmmmm?
I'd have to agree with Lennard on this. Once it's painted, as long as the metal work is done correctly, it shouldn't really matter. In my opinion the car is still a 1969 Dodge Charger. It was built off of an existing 69 shell(regardless of how extensive the metal work), and has the proper title. It would be different if Pat had bought a complete refab shell and tried to title it, but that's not the case. That being said, congrats Pat on the work you've done thus far! The road is long, but I'm hoping it works out in the end :2thumbs:
Thanks for the replies guys! No offence taken as to your question alfaitalia. Very little of the original car is left, but many of the parts are originals from other mopars. What I have replaced with aftermarket sheet metal many do anyway, such as floor pans, quarters and rockers, rear frame rails and tail panel. The front end will be all original mopar metal aside from fenders which I am still on the hunt for originals. I have a bunch of refurbishable interior parts, the original k frame and torsion bars etc. Original 8 3/4 rearend. Doors from other 69 chargers. So to sum it up, not a lot of the original unibody will be left that I started with but I am using original mopar pieces when I can. Ultimately in the end I just want a 69 charger and always have. I don't feel what I am doing is crossing any boundaries as far as legally or otherwise. We've all seen a certain 71 cuda which was the beginning of graveyard carz that now is 75% AMD. My build is fairly similar except I used repro rockers where they used original but I'm using oe mopar firewall and inner fenders which they didn't. Thanks for watching my thread guys more to come in the not so distant future!
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Look great pat. I hope to get start on my car soon. Got get my roof finished first. Watching what u are doing and learning as go. :2thumbs: :popcrn: :cheers:
Great stuff!!! I'll be doing the same very soon!!! Getting some of the parts tomorrow :)
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Original sheetmetal > Asian repro metal.
Asian repro sheetmetal > original car lost to rust.
IMO original metal is worth more on a survivor/stock resto type car.
When the car is heavily modified and never going back to stock . . . meh, a ton of replacement sheetmetal is just one more modification.
BTW this project is really cool.
Pat1973Charger. Looks like you are making your dream of owning a Charger come true through sheer force of will. It is going to be one of the most satisfying rides once you are done. Keep jamming on. :2thumbs: :coolgleamA:
Quote from: Stevearino on October 20, 2016, 07:20:13 PM
Pat1973Charger. Looks like you are making your dream of owning a Charger come true through sheer force of will. It is going to be one of the most satisfying rides once you are done. Keep jamming on. :2thumbs: :coolgleamA:
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good stuff :coolgleamA: :2thumbs: :cheers: :popcrn:
Charger looks great!! I have a 69 driver side fender that requires work but it's free if you want it.
This thread is great. He covers everything I am going to have to do to my charger. :popcrn: :2thumbs:
Quote from: Stevearino on October 20, 2016, 07:20:13 PM
Pat1973Charger. Looks like you are making your dream of owning a Charger come true through sheer force of will. It is going to be one of the most satisfying rides once you are done. Keep jamming on. :2thumbs: :coolgleamA:
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Nice work Pat!!! :2thumbs:
Its an old adage in the resto world 'never let the customer see the repairs'!
Why is that?
Its too scary for most Folks to understand the lengths you have to go,,, to put REAL rusty cars right again...
I like most metalmen have spent untold hours fixing rusty seams, where most panels tend to rust.
So you end up with the original panel, but warped and buckled to hell.
Then you spend another week filling and rubbing bondo!
So we are all in Mopar heaven now, call AMD and buy every exterior panel. :cheers:
Weld them on just like Mother Mopar did and all paint them without bondo work!!!
That way the car will look like factory and NOT a BONDOED replicar lol :smilielol:
MY friend worked at the Ford Dagenham UK plant back in the day.
Yep, they bondoed those Cortina's A LOT, as the factory panels were sooo baad... :slap: :slap: :slap:
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Coming along nicely! :2thumbs: :popcrn:
Wow.... Just wow. :o
ANYTHING can be fixed...all it takes are time and money. :2thumbs:
Wow there's still interest in my little old build thread. Don't worry guys I haven't given up. Had some other stuff to attend to since I last posted an update. A very close friend passed suddenly at only 32 and with the holidays it's been hectic. I'll get back in the swing of things soon and have some updates.
Awwww man :rotz:
Just reading thru you thread and noticed that you are fitting up the quarters. A tiny hint....fit up the quarter extensions at the same time (some might call them the quarter eyebrows). The metal items that are at the very tail end of the quarters. If you don't take the time now, fixing it later is a bear.
Thanks Mitch, I think I read somewhere else where you had mentioned that. I'm not to that point yet but I will do that for sure. When I left off I was using the quarters to help with fitting the trunk floor, inner wheels houses and so on.
Quote from: Pat1973charger on January 18, 2017, 07:51:03 PM
Thanks Mitch, I think I read somewhere else where you had mentioned that. I'm not to that point yet but I will do that for sure. When I left off I was using the quarters to help with fitting the trunk floor, inner wheels houses and so on.
I repeat myself a lot. :eek2:
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Quote from: Pat1973charger on January 18, 2017, 07:51:03 PM
Thanks Mitch, I think I read somewhere else where you had mentioned that. I'm not to that point yet but I will do that for sure. When I left off I was using the quarters to help with fitting the trunk floor, inner wheels houses and so on.
I repeat myself a lot. :eek2:
Haha no worries Mitch, I appreciate the info. It was on another thread where I had read it in your defence.
Quote from: Lennard on October 19, 2016, 08:22:25 AM
::) Who cares? After it's been painted, nobody will see the difference.
Who cares?
Maybe any unsuspecting guy that comes along when this car is put up for sale. In some cases, 2 or 3 owners down the road, someone may buy a car that may appear okay from the outside but is a flimsy mess underneath. Who wants to be that guy?
No offense to the OP. The work may be top notch, maybe even better than when it was new. The following applies to builders with no regard for quality.
What would you choose to buy? An original, never wrecked, never rusted car or one that looks like the "Phantom" Cuda on GYC after they dipped and stripped it?
Again, no offense to the OP but it is easy to shortcut a project by using fewer welds, more body filler and high build primer. A crooked panel gap can be cheated by cutting and welding the edges of the doors. What if the door gets damaged? A replacement will required to be modified to fit. Same goes with any other bolt on part.
I do applaud the skilled guys that can chop up a car this way and somehow get it all back together. I'd still prefer a tired original over over a car that needed every exterior panel replaced.
Sorry to hear your sad news Pat.
Life can throw up some huge shockers when you least expect them!
Our thought are with you and your friends family at this time.
Cars are important, they get you from A-2-B most of the time.
Some get left in a field, or a ditch, or on the side of the road when they break-down.
To the owner, they are past their usefulness and are left to rot or worse, THE CRUSHER!
Then along comes Pat and others like him and do the most unexpected thing, they fall in love with a metal wreck... :pity:
With the help of AMD and other metal-menders, DC.com, one day a Charger will be saved... :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
Originality over careful recreation?
Who really cares, as long as it drives down the road in a straight line... :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Keep going Pat, you have come tooooo far to turn back now. :patriot:
Yeah between originality and a car that has been reworked I don't really care. I always strip them anyway so I know what I have to replace. Reworked or original they always need the same amount of work underneath in the end. If it's original they always have terrible rust that was covered up. If it's reworked they usually were done wrong. I would probably prefer a car Like this one, that is done correct, as long as the documentation is there showing the progress and techniques over an original covered up car. Unless the car was in a museum for it's entire life the car will have issues that need fixed. :Twocents:
Thanks for the thoughts guys. He was a great guy, very handy, hard working and a good friend. He and I were around the same age with families. He left behind a wife (married just over 2 years) and a 2 1/2 year old little girl. I see her all the time when my little guy who is also 2 to daycare and my heart breaks knowing she will never truly know how good a guy he father was. Now, back to the car, Kern dog, you can think what you want, everyone is entitled to their own opinion. I am not half assing this car. It's been my dream at since I knew what cars were. There will be as many of more welds on it then new. It has to be inspected by an engineer (for what that's worth) when finished. My father in law is a certified body man and also a overbuilding perfectionist and he's painting it for me so I know if I miss something he will correct it lol. As for assembling the car post body. That's the easy part, I work on cars daily as I'm a red seal automotive technician so I kno my way around the mechanics of a car through and through. I can't wait for that part so I can shine, the body work is not new to me but not what I'm used to which is why I am taking my time to make sure everything fits as perfectly as possible. I uncovered her yesterday so the fun will restart soon! Thanks for following !
It has to be inspected by an engineer (for what that's worth)
Why do you have to do that ?
Since the car had no title I had to submit photos and other documents to obtain one with the correct vin info in my name. They registry of motor vehicles saw how rough it was and said it would need to be certified by an engineer before I am able to get plates. This also meant I can't do any modern upgrades. Radial tires and electronic ignition are pretty much all.
Quote from: Pat1973charger on January 17, 2017, 05:11:11 PM
Wow there's still interest in my little old build thread. Don't worry guys I haven't given up. Had some other stuff to attend to since I last posted an update. A very close friend passed suddenly at only 32 and with the holidays it's been hectic. I'll get back in the swing of things soon and have some updates.
sorry to hear about your friend , looking forward to seeing more up dates on your charger build :popcrn: :coolgleamA: :2thumbs:
Carry on with the good work Pat!
A guy here in the UK was restoring a Mopar and unfortunately passed away.
His friend took on the car and finished it for him, 'in his memory', nice fella indeed!
I have rebuilt a lot of Mopars and the welding is not up to modern 'ROBOT' standards at all...
Strengthening pieces totally 'unwelded' and left hanging to name just one.
The classic 'welding mistake' it the inner fenders, huge great MISSED welds around the shock towers is another...
I took a car for an inspection once and the 'EXPERT' said the flange joints on the rockers should be 'CONTINUOUS' welded?
WoW, how you gonna do that you MORON!!! :slap: :slap: :slap:
They are pinch welds, that's why there's a flange you PLONKA!!! :brickwall: :brickwall: :brickwall:
Hey Pat,
I missed the post about losing your friend. That is terrible and I do know the pain too well. Be strong, the pain does fade as time goes on. What is weird for me is that with the family members that I have lost, Christmas, Birthdays and various Holidays feel so empty now. It makes me wonder sometimes if being a survivor is a test from God to assess our strength and determination.
Secondly.... I was not intending to insult your work. Please REread what I wrote. If it wasn't clear, my intentions were to express that Lennards opinion on the matter seemed cavalier. Maybe he was joking but I doubt it. There are multiple instances where a substandard repair lurks under great looking paint. A hack job bodyman sells the car to an inexperienced buyer, that guy later sells the car....10 years later there are cracks and bubbles coming through.
I will also say that I see no evidence of bad work in the build you are doing. I merely had an issue with the attitude of one member here.
No offence taken, my reply wasn't mean to seem ignorant. I appreciate the sympathy guys, I have coped with it I just feel bad for his family since I am in a similar family setting.
I guess I'm due for an update. I have been picking at the front. Clip I acquired last summer. Lots of removing of unwanted bits and cleaning up, some small patches here and there. Back in April my good buddy and accomplice in this restoration carefully removed the firewall from the car by disecting it at the top of the A pillars. Then it was time for the clip to be slid into place and be squared away with the jig and locked down into its final position. Things are starting to get real now!
(http://www.forbbodiesonly.com/moparforum/data/attachments/337/337923-17ceb4d82c788f3dea0dbfd121c6a9a8.jpg)
(http://www.forbbodiesonly.com/moparforum/data/attachments/337/337924-acca216d8e592f2db345e05486717068.jpg)
(http://www.forbbodiesonly.com/moparforum/data/attachments/337/337925-d6aa43f3c28a2a6187a2a71da58782a2.jpg)
(http://www.forbbodiesonly.com/moparforum/data/attachments/337/337926-140f7df4f8e270aefeb81182d9b50d03.jpg)
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How have I not sen this thread before :cheers: :popcrn:
Great work!
Wow, I can't wait to see the finished product....
Any new progress ?? happy holidays an post away... :shruggy: :icon_smile_question: :icon_smile_question: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :cheers:
The OP has done a "Keyser Soze" and POOOoooof !! disappeared.
Maybe he sold the car for bail money, alimony, drugs, hookers, dog grooming, a nice set of spatulas, gourmet granola bars, LASIK surgery, a donation to the DNC, a mint flavored enema, DirecTV or a new Iphone....?
He was active yesterday/ so what all the made up crap...... :popcrn: :2thumbs:
How's your jig holding up, looks to be an upright for heavy duty racking. Keep up the good work, life always gets in the way. :2thumbs:.
Quote from: Kern Dog on November 19, 2017, 04:50:53 AM
The OP has done a "Keyser Soze" and POOOoooof !! disappeared.
Maybe he sold the car for bail money, alimony, drugs, hookers, dog grooming, a nice set of spatulas, gourmet granola bars, LASIK surgery, a donation to the DNC, a mint flavored enema, DirecTV or a new Iphone....?
Kern dog, you crack me up. :cheers:
Thank you very much.... :2thumbs:
Good luck with it.
I was informed by baldwinvette there was some curiosity as to the status of my rust bucket project. Give her some credit Kern Dog I should be able to get a new iPhone and maybe even an iPad out of it :shruggy:. I have acquired a few parts and done some patchwork on the front clip I put in. When whoever chopped it out of the car it came from did so they cut about 2-3" ahead of a factory joint, the joint where I joined at. So I had to cut a small section from the old roof part of the upper window frame on both sides and graft it into the new clip. Easy work and will never been seen once the roof skin and drop rail go on but it had to be done. Right now she's covered as I am undercoating cars in my garage (rust belt ::) ) but hopefully around Christmas I will be able to get back at her. Thanks for the support and Interest in my build guys. Stay tuned, show ain't over yet!
Quote from: 500Jon on January 30, 2017, 02:50:44 PM
Carry on with the good work Pat!
A guy here in the UK was restoring a Mopar and unfortunately passed away.
His friend took on the car and finished it for him, 'in his memory', nice fella indeed!
I have rebuilt a lot of Mopars and the Factory-welding is not up to modern 'ROBOT' standards at all...
Strengthening pieces totally 'unwelded' and left hanging to name just one.
The classic 'welding mistake' it the inner fenders, huge great MISSED welds around the shock towers is another...
I took a car for an inspection once and the 'EXPERT' said the flange joints on the rockers should be 'CONTINUOUS' welded?
WoW, how you gonna do that you MORON!!! :slap: :slap: :slap:
They are pinch welds, that's why there's a flange you PLONKA!!! :brickwall: :brickwall: :brickwall:
I added FACTORY-WELDING as it didn't read right!
Stay STRONG PAT, you have come too far to turn BACK now!
As and when your R/T gets back onto TARMAC again, it will be the 'TALK of the TOWN'.
She already has a name, yep its FEENIX... :popcrn:
Been awhile, dude.....No progress lately ?
Yeah, What Happened. Is it done yet :scratchchin:
Hey guys, glad to see there is still interest in my thread. I still have the car and have not given up it's been a busy year and I haven't been able to get at it as much as I'd like. I have a bunch of other projects caught up now so I should hopefully be back at I soon.
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Alright...glad to see that you are still in the game. :2thumbs:
:popcrn:
Hey everyone, I'm still here lol. Charger is still here too. I forgot to mention on my update back in June that the wife and I were expecting our second child in September. We had our baby girl September 18th and she was very healthy. My wife had complications immediately after deliver and things got "scary" for a couple hours. She lost a huge amount of blood so we were in hospital 4 days and then she needed lots of help at home after as she was weakf for quite awhile and had a newborn as well as our 4 war old boy to watch. Somehow I had in my head after she came around and she would be off work for a year (Canadian maternity) I would have loads of time....well if the newest little one isn't the great baby our first was. She cries a lot and didn't sleep well for a long time so needless to say the charger got pushed further back. Now that all of that stuff is straightened away I'm hoping to return to the car work in the new year.this summer I did manage to pull the quarters back off that I had mocked a long time ago and did some work on the rear quarter window supports. I also did a little work on the new piece of crap inner rocker I have and test fitted the front floor pan. I rebuilt my hinges and hung the doors for rocker alignment as well. Thanks to anyone who is sill curious about my little old charger build up here in Nova Scotia.
Hello Pat,
Glad to see you back and glad you were able to get through those rough situations. Congrats on your newborn daughter. :2thumbs:
Charger will be there when time permits. Take care of life matters first.
:cheers:
Congratulations Pat!!! :2thumbs:
Your family is the most important thing in your life!
They come 1st. Your Charger will be there when you get time. :yesnod:
Thanks guys! I appreciate the kind words.
Looks like you found the key to your restoration. Have fun with this and enjoy the ride!!!!
:popcrn: :popcrn: :popcrn:
ANY UPDATES :scratchchin: :shruggy:
If that car ever gets back together, I'd hate to see how cockeyed everything is.
Quote from: Mytur Binsdirti on December 31, 2019, 04:27:22 AM
If that car ever gets back together, I'd hate to see how cockeyed everything is.
:flush:
The work on this project is over the top and the craftsman should be shown a lot of respect for his talent instead of snide comments like this.
Same for some of the other comments.
Quote from: KWampus on January 01, 2020, 05:50:12 AM
Quote from: Mytur Binsdirti on December 31, 2019, 04:27:22 AM
If that car ever gets back together, I'd hate to see how cockeyed everything is.
:flush:
The work on this project is over the top and the craftsman should be shown a lot of respect for his talent instead of snide comments like this.
Same for some of the other comments.
If you take away the grafted on AMD rockers and the grafted on cowl from another car in the picture below, there is virtually nothing to work with from that wrecked & rotted hulk.
(http://www.forbbodiesonly.com/moparforum/attachments/image-png.359368/)
With no proper frame jig (you'll notice that the remains of that car sitting on a warehouse shelf side bracket that's laid flat on it's side) and a supply of mediocre fitting AMD replacement parts, the chances of what's left of this car could ever be resurrected into something with properly aligned panels that goes down the road straight is slim to none.
By his own admission, the alignment problems started over three years ago....
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What do you think is going to happen with the frame rails go in when there's no proper jig to align everything? A sixteenth here and an eighth there start adding up some serious misalignment when all of of the the parts go in because this isn't a jigsaw puzzle where all pieces fit in perfectly.
So, I'm sorry if you think my comment is snide, but your "craftsman" has been trying for 5 years to recreate a new car from a rusty 50 year old roof structure & two rusty wheelwells. Whether you like it or not, I'm just calling it as I see it, unlike most others who have posted on this thread over the years. That hulk really should have stayed in the woods and Tufcat was absolutely correct with his comment in post #20 nearly 5 years ago.
Sadly, all that money invested is now worth pennies on the dollar.
Find another Charger imo. :Twocents:
The only to save a Charger that far gone, and have it turn out anywhere near straight as far as panel alignment, is to put it on a jig. If you don't have a jig to put the car on ,you could fab one up,but you would have to have a perfect un hit,un rotted Charger to build the jig from, it's not something that can be close,it has to be spot on, as the Turban said.
He should wear that turbine on his ass for awhile , and after the proper brown stripe is in place put it back on his head. Im done with this site the mediators should of put a stop to this bullshit long ago. Atleast with the proper stripe he will realize that his shit does stink.
Quote from: moparnut on January 05, 2020, 07:21:09 AM
He should wear that turbine on his ass for awhile , and after the proper brown stripe is in place put it back on his head. Im done with this site the mediators should of put a stop to this bullshit long ago. Atleast with the proper stripe he will realize that his shit does stink.
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Quote from: chargervert on January 02, 2020, 03:56:01 PM
The only to save a Charger that far gone, and have it turn out anywhere near straight as far as panel alignment, is to put it on a jig. If you don't have a jig to put the car on ,you could fab one up,but you would have to have a perfect un hit,un rotted Charger to build the jig from, it's not something that can be close,it has to be spot on, as the Turban said.
Well, if it helps. I agree with you and others. Lost cause.
"don't fuck with cats".. Great mini series btw.
Cudanut....I never see you post at Moparts anymore. I was banned awhile back but I still lurk there sometimes.
I was thinking about what I said overnight and I feel bad that Moparnut is offended by my blunt truthfulness. Because of me, he's taking his 85 posts that he's made over the last 15 years and is leaving. His input will be sorely missed and I feel terrible about it.
KD, I mostly stay here. More people, better crowd.
Wash that diaper on your head, :How do you know he left ?
Quote from: Mytur Binsdirti on January 06, 2020, 05:00:37 AM
I was thinking about what I said overnight and I feel bad that Moparnut is offended by my blunt truthfulness. Because of me, he's taking his 85 posts that he's made over the last 15 years and is leaving. His input will be sorely missed and I feel terrible about it.
You need to stop getting so emotional about things! It's not healthy! Maybe you need another emotional support Charger to snuggle up with! That's what I do!
Quote from: chargervert on January 06, 2020, 03:30:10 PM
Quote from: Mytur Binsdirti on January 06, 2020, 05:00:37 AM
I was thinking about what I said overnight and I feel bad that Moparnut is offended by my blunt truthfulness. Because of me, he's taking his 85 posts that he's made over the last 15 years and is leaving. His input will be sorely missed and I feel terrible about it.
You need to stop getting so emotional about things! It's not healthy! Maybe you need another emotional support Charger to snuggle up with! That's what I do!
In due time. ;)
Okay I'm going to step in here and offer my opinion.
To understand Mytur Binsdirti (Mark) is to know him. And I mean by knowing him is by reading his posts in here and not so much in person. Most of the time he is a jokester in here. But other times he offers the brutal truth. His delivery may seem like he's poking fun at you but he's trying to point out obvious facts and those facts are probably something you don't want to hear (the brutal truth). He also does offer compliments as well in here but most folks only know of him of his negative replies (the brutal truth).
You can be given a 2nd Charger for free although rotted to the core it's free right? However the money & time spent to put this car on the road (and pray that it's safe) you'd be better off buying one that's complete or at least driveable. And you don't have to wait ten years to get it on the road. What's that going to cost to get this example complete? No up front cost for the shell but I'm guessing at least 50k?? And ten years later?? Go get yourself a complete driver for 40k and be done with it. And for the argument of "well I can't afford to buy one up front for 40k so I'll buy a rusty cage and fund it as I go" I get that and that may be relevant. But many things can get in the way (life happens) during a long stretch of restoring your Charger. Marriage/spouse/kids/health etc. Or flat out lose interest. All that money tied up is wasted.
So if Turbin throws you what you call a snide comment, he might be saving you from a huge money pit.
Me myself had met Mark in person at Carlisle on a couple of events. Great guy. Loves his Chargers!! He's bought parts from me and very appreciative of my prices/fast responses/communication etc.
Know him, don't know him, laugh with him, don't laugh with him, whatever. He doesn't give a Sh!tt on negative replies. He's not going away, he shouldn't ever be banned in here as I've seen a lot worse in here and on other sites.
:cheers:
Quote from: VegasCharger on January 06, 2020, 07:21:48 PM
Okay I'm going to step in here and offer my opinion.
To understand Mytur Binsdirti (Mark) is to know him. And I mean by knowing him is by reading his posts in here and not so much in person. Most of the time he is a jokester in here. But other times he offers the brutal truth. His delivery may seem like he's poking fun at you but he's trying to point out obvious facts and those facts are probably something you don't want to hear (the brutal truth). He also does offer compliments as well in here but most folks only know of him of his negative replies (the brutal truth).
You can be given a 2nd Charger for free although rotted to the core it's free right? However the money & time spent to put this car on the road (and pray that it's safe) you'd be better off buying one that's complete or at least driveable. And you don't have to wait ten years to get it on the road. What's that going to cost to get this example complete? No up front cost for the shell but I'm guessing at least 50k?? And ten years later?? Go get yourself a complete driver for 40k and be done with it. And for the argument of "well I can't afford to buy one up front for 40k so I'll buy a rusty cage and fund it as I go" I get that and that may be relevant. But many things can get in the way (life happens) during a long stretch of restoring your Charger. Marriage/spouse/kids/health etc. Or flat out lose interest. All that money tied up is wasted.
So if Turbin throws you what you call a snide comment, he might be saving you from a huge money pit.
Me myself had met Mark in person at Carlisle on a couple of events. Great guy. Loves his Chargers!! He's bought parts from me and very appreciative of my prices/fast responses/communication etc.
Know him, don't know him, laugh with him, don't laugh with him, whatever. He doesn't give a Sh!tt on negative replies. He's not going away, he shouldn't ever be banned in here as I've seen a lot worse in here and on other sites.
:cheers:
Cheers to that, Mark is a honest funny guy. :cheers: :cheers:
Quote from: VegasCharger on January 06, 2020, 07:21:48 PM
Okay I'm going to step in here and offer my opinion.
To understand Mytur Binsdirti (Mark) is to know him. And I mean by knowing him is by reading his posts in here and not so much in person. Most of the time he is a jokester in here. But other times he offers the brutal truth. His delivery may seem like he's poking fun at you but he's trying to point out obvious facts and those facts are probably something you don't want to hear (the brutal truth). He also does offer compliments as well in here but most folks only know of him of his negative replies (the brutal truth).
You can be given a 2nd Charger for free although rotted to the core it's free right? However the money & time spent to put this car on the road (and pray that it's safe) you'd be better off buying one that's complete or at least driveable. And you don't have to wait ten years to get it on the road. What's that going to cost to get this example complete? No up front cost for the shell but I'm guessing at least 50k?? And ten years later?? Go get yourself a complete driver for 40k and be done with it. And for the argument of "well I can't afford to buy one up front for 40k so I'll buy a rusty cage and fund it as I go" I get that and that may be relevant. But many things can get in the way (life happens) during a long stretch of restoring your Charger. Marriage/spouse/kids/health etc. Or flat out lose interest. All that money tied up is wasted.
So if Turbin throws you what you call a snide comment, he might be saving you from a huge money pit.
Me myself had met Mark in person at Carlisle on a couple of events. Great guy. Loves his Chargers!! He's bought parts from me and very appreciative of my prices/fast responses/communication etc.
Know him, don't know him, laugh with him, don't laugh with him, whatever. He doesn't give a Sh!tt on negative replies. He's not going away, he shouldn't ever be banned in here as I've seen a lot worse in here and on other sites.
:cheers:
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Quote from: ACUDANUT on January 07, 2020, 01:58:05 AM
Cheers to that, Mark is a honest funny guy. :cheers: :cheers:
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I think everyone needs to chill. Let him see what he can do without all the negitive Nancy shit
Debbie Downers.
Everyone entitled to their opinion. Most of my "fitment" issues from before we're self inflicted or my lack of knowing just how poorly these old heaps were slapped together. I've since done a total restoration on a dart sport 340 and have seen the factory woes and when I look at mine I realize I'm trying to make the pieces fit together better than they ever did from the factory while using both original rust free and aftermarket parts. Things have been working out well lately with it, all my measurements are looking very good even to my surprise. No I don't spend every waking hour I'm not at work working on it, I have a life and kids and a wife and they deserve more of me then any old heap of iron. Its Also not the money thing, I could have bought a 15k charger RT shell and restored it. I most likely would still have had to put rear rails, wheel houses, rockers, floors, 1/4s, Dutchman etc on it so what's the diff if I saved some upfront cost and put a little more metal in it. Plus it's sort of a family connection thing with this car for my wife's side, I also love the build part of it. I don't even know if I'll enjoy driving it as much as I do building it, I love the challenge. I have confidence in myself and my help which is me and my friend both of us being certified auto techs and my father in law who is a certified auto body tech and did it since the 70s on lots of these old cars. Yes my frame jig is made from An old industrial shelving side, which was verified to be straight and strengthened, as well, in 5 years of sitting there in my garage if hasn't not moved once, I continually check it for level with a laser level and square. The jig was set up using a combination of factory frame specs and a complete 68 satellite shell, and I've seen others do a considerable amount of metal replacement with less of a jig setup so I figure I'll be ok. If you don't like my thread and think I'm an idiot we'll that's your own opinion and no one is forcing you to follow it. I could stop posting here, I only do to maybe inspire someone to not be scared to take on a big project, much how I was inspired my Mopar4don's thread among others. I haven't posted in awhile because it became time consuming to take pics of every little patch or piece I fit together and upload them then link them here so I have been biding my time for a really good big update with a lot of progress. I'm very sorry if my restoration bother some of you and if the greater part of this website would rather not see it than I will gladly delete my thread.
You owe no apologizies to anyone. Keep up the good work! I enjoy watching your thread, please don't delete it.
Don't let Dirty Turban discourage you. Onwards. I have 1 question though, if you have a Wife & Kid & this Charger to Restore, Where did you find the time to fully restore a Dart Sport 340? :shruggy:
Thanks guys appreciate the replies. I've loved coming here since I first found this place when doing research for my 73 charger over 6 years ago. Hemi-hampton, the Dart Sport was my boss's car So I did 90% of it at work. I'm the senior tech at work and shop foreman so got the most part I do the diagnostic jobs and electrical work while the other guys that are younger knock balljoint and swap engine, tires, brakes etc. There's usually a smaller amount of diagnostic per day or week than anything else so I spent my time on the dart for him. Took it from a ride hard 46 year old car to a perfectly restored to factory original car in under a year. We didn't sub out anything I did it all, except we took it to my father in laws shop for sealing and paint. The only problem was working on restoring a car all day long for months when I got home at night and the kids were in bed I didn't really want to work on mine. That's all done now so I'm back at it when I can. I even put an addition on so once the body is done and ready for body work and paint I can roll it back there and have some more room to build out the. Sub assemblies like rear end and drivetrain. I have a 2 bay shop plus the addition but one side has a lift which I don't want to tie up with long term stuff. Thanks again for the interest!
" The only problem was working on restoring a car all day long for months when I got home at night and the kids were in bed I didn't really want to work on mine."
I've had the same problem. I work on cars all day long, paint, body work, restoring, new cars, old cars, trucks, semi's, ect, ect for past 35+ years. And when I get Home from work nowadays sometimes I think last thing I want to do is work on my own car or somebody eles car as a side job. :brickwall:
One of the most absolutely amazing things I've seen in awhile. Bringing this car back to life. Don't be discouraged by anyone or time getting in the way, you're doing an amazing job! And you will really love this car when you're done :2thumbs:
looking forward to seeing more progress pictures as & when :yesnod: :cheers: :popcrn:
Quote from: hemi-hampton on January 18, 2020, 06:48:32 PM
Don't let Dirty Turban discourage you.
Someone's got to be the voice of reason around here. No one else will, so it might as well be me.
I am not usually one to piss on someones dreams BUT....
Should a parent encourage their 300 lb 10 year old daughter to be a gymnast?
Should a Marine Drill Sergeant train a partially blind recruit to be a sniper?
Should family members root for their kid at a singing competition when the noises produced by this kid equate to fingernails on a chalkboard?
Nothing hits you harder than life. Why make it harder?
IF a person is aware of all the obstacles that they may face and then they choose to move forward, that is up to them. IT sounds harsh to some but warning others about the difficulties that they will face is actually a good thing.
I'd rather know than to face unseen problems at every turn.
Quote from: Mytur Binsdirti on January 19, 2020, 04:49:35 PM
Quote from: hemi-hampton on January 18, 2020, 06:48:32 PM
Don't let Dirty Turban discourage you.
Someone's got to be the voice of reason around here. No one else will, so it might as well be me.
if you go back 5 years or so at the start of this thread or his other thread/post I advised against going forward. he wouldn't listen. so, now it's to late to stop. LEON.
Sherman, set the Wayback machine to January, 2015................
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It's not that I haven't considered the advise from you guy and other as some of you seem to think, I just wanted to try myself on this car, what I've spent on parts that I wouldn't usually need for the cars you guys here usually restore isn't a huge amount, Maybe $1500cdn. When the time comes and I spend some real time on it and it will come. There's been a lot going on around here lately with my wife's grandmother very sick and that was taking my mother in-laws full attention as she did not want to go to a home. This meant my mother in law didn't have time to watch this kids when the wife was working and I was home and may parents are just a little too far to drop them off for a few hours. Her grandmother passed Away shortly before Christmas so things are getting back to their normal routine again now. so what I'm getting at is if it get working hard at this thing and I find it's not going to come together (which as of new doesn't seem to be the case), I'll just swap this one a bit one that needs the usual. 1/4s, floors, rockers, tail panel, rear rails etc and I'll already have all of it here. Anyone got a better body they want to donate for a small sum, doesn't have to have a title I have a couple of those ;D
Didn't you already upgrade to a nicer body once before :scratchchin:
Leon, I've been trying to upgrade to a better body for a couple years now....or do you mean the car :rofl:. Yes that's true the RT was 100x better than the base charger I had. Everything was in its place still on the RT when I got it and when I built the jig with the factory specs it sat down on it perfectly. I looked back through my thread and realized my floors were not all that bad they mostly needed a few patches her and there but I cut holes in them to run bracing all throughout the centre of the car before I disassembled it. The car needed rails and a torsion crossmember so I guess in the end replacing the floors is for the better. I have had it mocked up with the rear rails, trunk floor, crossmembers, 1/4s right up to the Dutchman. Also had the front floor in place. It was fitting together pretty well and I continually check measurements I've documented from the car prior to disassembly, ones I've collected from local cars that were more solid and a handful given to me by members on here, as well as the factory ones from the datum sheets. I removed the 1/4s and front floor again to do some cleanup and prep work Prior to welding everything in.
Not everybody has a whole lot of money to throw at a toy all at once its obverse you have the skills to rebuild your car i say stuff the critics keep at it your doing well :2thumbs:
For some (including me) it's the journey, not the destination, that's the "fun" part !
Quote from: birdsandbees on January 20, 2020, 11:36:46 AM
For some (including me) it's the journey, not the destination, that's the "fun" part !
Agreed 100% I'm loving "almost" every minute of it! Thanks guys
Hey everyone, been a minute. No I haven't sold or given up on the car. Life has been busy and other projects have taken the forefront. Anyway I spent last winter/ spring insulating, vapour barrier and sheeting my garage and installing a heat pump. Now it's nice and warm in there to work in winter. I have started back at the car and have gotten the rockers and rear rails all levelled and squared and Locked into position. Rockers and prepped for welding etc. I'm in the process of fitting the rear crossmember and am just curious if anyone has run into this issue. The tabs onthe frame rails that weld to the top of the crossmember have a gap between them. Any insight would be appreciated. Thanks guys
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Figured out my issue today when I got to the shop. There is a semi-circle cut into the outer tab on the rear frame rail, onthe passenger side the semi-circle was cut too low in the flange and when the stamped hole that is meant to line up with the semi-circle was stopping the cross rail from coming up to meet the top of the frame rail. Here's a pic of what I mean. A little die grinder work on that semi-circle will take car of it. I will stop saying semi circle now
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I forgot all about this car but in the past wondered what ever happened to it. :shruggy:
Quote from: hemi-hampton on February 20, 2023, 07:18:17 PMI forgot all about this car but in the past wondered what ever happened to it. :shruggy:
She's still here hemi-hampton, life got in the way for a couple years I had more important things on the go. But now it's time has come up. Made good progress in the last few weekends and some evenings. Stay tuned ! Thanks for following!
Hi Pat, Nice to see you are still working on her. Maybe see you at the Atlantic Nationals one day.
Quote from: Back N Black on February 26, 2023, 04:03:39 PMHi Pat, Nice to see you are still working on her. Maybe see you at the Atlantic Nationals one day.
I hope so to Eldon. I may come this year if I can get the time. Obviously not with the car lol.
Side note, my father-in-law has been helping your old buddy Dwayne restore his 70 challenger.
Some progress. Torsion crossmember burned into the rockers. Got the rockers all welded together minus a few plug welds. Front floor braces are welded in as well. Had to take apart my new front leaf spring mounts as they were all jacked up. Goodmark I bought 8 years ago (they are junk). Anyway I got them fixed up now and burned in permanent. Also got the front floor all prepped and ready To burn in as well. Rear crossmember is all ready to burn in as well as rear leaf mounts. Small progress but progress at least.
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What was wrong with goodmark parts?
With all the amd back orders, I also have had to resort to useing goodmark parts as well. Almost all of the goodmark parts need substantial modifications to make them fit correctly. The amd stuff isn't perfect but the parts seem to fit way better.
Quote from: hemi-hampton on February 26, 2023, 09:47:42 PMWhat was wrong with goodmark parts?
What I've found is mostly small issues but big one was the leafspring forward mounts are not made correctly. As I'm sure you know they are a 3 piece bracket. I had to separate the 3 pieces, mount in yhe rear most one and then re bend and tweak the other pieces to fit. If it was left together it would throw everything off too bad you couldn't get it installed. Also the spot welds holding all the pieces together were maybe 1/8th". Very chincy. The left inner rocker was too long, looks as though they had a stamping for the right and mirrored it for the left. I had to section the left inner to fix this issue. I did have a torsion crossmember way back from them. It was total junk too, I opted for a good used one. Also it seems like the trunk floor and rear seat pan flanges where the wheel houses weld aren't nearly as wide as the original. No experience with AMD on those so I don't know if they are better or not.
no offence i forgot about you charger rebuild , good to see you still at it :yesnod: :2thumbs:
:cheers: :popcrn:
Quote from: tan top on February 27, 2023, 02:16:36 PMno offence i forgot about you charger rebuild , good to see you still at it :yesnod: :2thumbs:
:cheers: :popcrn:
Thanks Tantop. Had a bit of a hiatus on it but back at it now full swing.
Got the rear crossmember and leaf hangers welded on min. Also the rear seat pan and trunk floor test fit. Everything is looking and measuring good so I marked out the rails from the underside to prep the floors for drilling.
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Not a huge update but I did manage to get the front floor and rear seat pan burned in. Trunk floor is fitted so next I will mock in the rear door jamb and 1/4 window supports and then fit the 1/4s, deck filler tail panel etc to make sure everything is looking good.
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Makes my back soar just looking at how long you had to stay bent over to do all that :)
Looks good keep at it
Test fit number one of what I'm sure will be many. So far not looking to shabby all things considered. Also for the step wells in and replaced my rear lower window channel. I had one made since I know a good metal guy and it was over $300 by the time it landed here in Canada.
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Also I do plan to clean up and seal the surface rust on the inner roof structure before welding the 1/4s home.
Good to see you're still at it Pat! Awesome build!
looking good :yesnod: :yesnod: :popcrn: