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Title: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on September 01, 2013, 08:34:55 PM
I am in the process of restoring a 1969 Charger.
I have never done anything like this with a car or truck so it should be a blast!
Hey, what can I say, I need a project. And I think I'VE GOT A PROJECT!! :scratchchin:

Just so everyone knows, I started this resto last year (will be trying to get you caught up)
Any and all comments, suggestions are welcome
Title: Re: Don's 69 Rust Belt Charger restoration
Post by: Baldwinvette77 on September 01, 2013, 08:37:04 PM
Nice project  :drool5:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Rust Belt Charger restoration
Post by: tsmithae on September 01, 2013, 10:52:41 PM
Looks a lot like my rustbelt '70!  Have fun, you have more work than you think in store for you!  :cheers:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Rust Belt Charger restoration
Post by: Homerr on September 02, 2013, 01:05:40 AM
I'm jealous!  I now have a shop but need to save for my own project.

Plans for this car?
Title: Re: Don's 69 Rust Belt Charger restoration
Post by: tan top on September 02, 2013, 07:08:18 AM
 :2thumbs:  :popcrn:  whats the plan ? stock type rebuild  , color combo etc or ??
Title: Re: Don's 69 Rust Belt Charger restoration
Post by: bakerhillpins on September 02, 2013, 08:42:10 AM
Looks like it was originally a Q5 turquoise car. Not a common color.  :drool5:  Did the car have a fender tag or a broadcast sheet to tell you what the options were?

Good luck and keep the pics of progress comin'.   :yesnod:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Rust Belt Charger restoration
Post by: mopar4don on September 02, 2013, 07:50:12 PM
Plans for this car, I really like the classic stock look, with a little bit of restomod  thrown in!
It will be a 4 speed car, I have a 440, and a 383, so not sure which way I will go there.
Title: Re: Don's 69 Rust Belt Charger restoration
Post by: mopar4don on September 02, 2013, 08:02:33 PM
I decided to build a chassis jig or body jig.
I liked the idea of everything being tied down and being able to reference back to factory specs.
I know it can be done by putting the car on jack stands (or other methods) but for me, (a beginner) I thought this would be the best way for me to go.

So I built a body jig to hold the car securely during disassembly.
The jig was originally a 4'x8' table that I picked up at the local scrap yard. It was cut in half horizontally then put end to end to give me 4'x16'
It's made from 2x2 tubing with ΒΌ wall. And has leveling screws at every leg.
Title: Re: Don's 69 Rust Belt Charger restoration
Post by: mopar4don on September 02, 2013, 08:17:32 PM
next I cut the quarters off to gain better access
Title: Re: Don's 69 Rust Belt Charger restoration
Post by: tsmithae on September 02, 2013, 08:32:22 PM
Wow, diving right in!  I will be watching your progress and definitely keep up the good work!

:2thumbs:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Rust Belt Charger restoration
Post by: lexxman on September 02, 2013, 09:29:06 PM
Wow you all in thats for sure. Keep the pictures coming and remember tag and bag everthing. :2thumbs:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Rust Belt Charger restoration
Post by: Mopar Nut on September 02, 2013, 11:02:40 PM
Fast progress.   :popcrn:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Rust Belt Charger restoration
Post by: remta1 on September 03, 2013, 06:07:08 AM
yep good on ya , love these type of threads , really inspiring , well done  :2thumbs:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Rust Belt Charger restoration
Post by: Old Tired Rebel on September 03, 2013, 12:59:22 PM
Subscribed.
Title: Re: Don's 69 Rust Belt Charger restoration
Post by: mopar4don on September 03, 2013, 07:55:06 PM
the outer rockers are toast! :icon_smile_blackeye:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Rust Belt Charger restoration
Post by: Baldwinvette77 on September 04, 2013, 07:55:40 PM
wow before i even have a chance to blink you already have it stripped and cut up NICE  :2thumbs:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Rust Belt Charger restoration
Post by: mopar4don on September 05, 2013, 05:21:21 AM
Quote from: Baldwinvette77 on September 04, 2013, 07:55:40 PM
wow before i even have a chance to blink you already have it stripped and cut up NICE  :2thumbs:
This was done back in the early spring..... I am trying to get this thread "caught up"
Title: Re: Don's 69 Rust Belt Charger restoration
Post by: mopar4don on September 05, 2013, 11:31:37 AM
Trunk pan was shot! So out it came.
Title: Re: Don's 69 Rust Belt Charger restoration
Post by: JB400 on September 05, 2013, 11:40:00 AM
 :hack: :hack: :hack:  :popcrn:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Rust Belt Charger restoration
Post by: mopar4don on September 07, 2013, 06:05:15 AM
The outer rockers are toast! :icon_smile_blackeye:  From what I can tell the inner rockers don't look much better  :icon_smile_blackeye: :icon_smile_blackeye:

Title: Re: Don's 69 Rust Belt Charger restoration
Post by: mopar4don on September 07, 2013, 06:16:38 AM
Quote from: bakerhillpins on September 02, 2013, 08:42:10 AM
Looks like it was originally a Q5 turquoise car. Not a common color.  :drool5:  Did the car have a fender tag or a broadcast sheet to tell you what the options were?

Good luck and keep the pics of progress comin'.   :yesnod:


About this Q5 turquoise color, How rare of a color was this? Can someone tell me where I can get info about this? Or all of the stock colors used in 1969
Thanks
Title: Re: Don's 69 Rust Belt Charger restoration
Post by: JB400 on September 07, 2013, 08:48:44 AM
Send a pm to Ghoste.  He has the info from the 69 Registry where this info is located. :cheers:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Rust Belt Charger restoration
Post by: tan top on September 07, 2013, 04:52:59 PM
Quote from: stroker400 wedge on September 07, 2013, 08:48:44 AM
Send a pm to Ghoste.  He has the info from the 69 Registry where this info is located. :cheers:

  :yesnod: :iagree:

heres the 69 color chips  :yesnod:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Rust Belt Charger restoration
Post by: F8-4life on September 08, 2013, 03:33:42 PM
Quote from: mopar4don on September 07, 2013, 06:16:38 AM
Quote from: bakerhillpins on September 02, 2013, 08:42:10 AM
Looks like it was originally a Q5 turquoise car. Not a common color.  :drool5:  Did the car have a fender tag or a broadcast sheet to tell you what the options were?

Good luck and keep the pics of progress comin'.   :yesnod:


About this Q5 turquoise color, How rare of a color was this? Can someone tell me where I can get info about this? Or all of the stock colors used in 1969
Thanks


It was one of the more uncommon colors of the year. Also one of the coolest.
Title: Re: Don's 69 Rust Belt Charger restoration
Post by: Mopar Nut on September 08, 2013, 03:39:25 PM
If I had a Q5 turquoise colored car, I would leave it.
Title: Re: Don's 69 Rust Belt Charger restoration
Post by: cdr on September 08, 2013, 04:52:27 PM
 :wave: DON
Title: Re: Don's 69 Rust Belt Charger restoration
Post by: mopar4don on September 08, 2013, 06:53:27 PM
Thanks guys for the color chips, When I get closer to being finished with the body work, the color will get more thought.
But right now that seems a long long way away!

:wave: Hi CDR
Title: Re: Don's 69 Rust Belt Charger restoration
Post by: mopar4don on September 08, 2013, 07:01:29 PM
Next I pulled the cowl off, and found another mouse nest and more rust damage around the base of the a-pillars  :icon_smile_blackeye:

Title: Re: Don's 69 Rust Belt Charger restoration
Post by: CornDogsCharger on September 09, 2013, 05:55:32 PM
Looks like you're making great progress!  Keep up the great work.  I love seeing rough and rusty cars getting saved and put back on the road!  The rustier they are, the more I appreciate the work that goes into saving them. 

Justin
"CornDog"
Title: Re: Don's 69 Rust Belt Charger restoration
Post by: mopar4don on September 10, 2013, 11:30:58 AM
What a mess, definatly worse than I thought when I first looked at it!  :icon_smile_blackeye:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Rust Belt Charger restoration
Post by: tsmithae on September 10, 2013, 02:46:27 PM
It's funny how they do that to you...  :pity:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Rust Belt Charger restoration
Post by: bill440rt on September 10, 2013, 02:54:25 PM
For a "beginner" I think you're doing a mighty fine job!  :cheers:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Rust Belt Charger restoration
Post by: mopar4don on September 10, 2013, 03:07:46 PM
Thanks everyone for the encouragement! Corndogscharger, tsmithae, bill440rt.
I think I'm gonna need it!
Title: Re: Don's 69 Rust Belt Charger restoration
Post by: charge69 on September 10, 2013, 04:09:07 PM
You got a long way to go and many frustrating hours of work yet but, you have shown you have what it takes to complete this project!  Just keep your head down and keep the faith completing a little at a time and you will be rewarded with a beautiful Charger of your very own!

Good luck and do not let it get you down. If you feel like "burnout" is taking over, step back and let it sit for a while and regain your desire to get it done. It took me and my friend 5 years to get mine to where it is with a few "breaks" and many frustrations along the way.
Title: Re: Don's 69 Rust Belt Charger restoration
Post by: six-tee-nine on September 11, 2013, 02:57:32 AM
Quote from: mopar4don on September 08, 2013, 07:01:29 PM
Next I pulled the cowl off, and found another mouse nest and more rust damage around the base of the a-pillars  :icon_smile_blackeye:



Is it hard to pull the cowl panel? I mean if you drill the spotwelds does it deform alot cause of the bonding adhesive they used?
I'm thinking of pulling the panel because i also have probably alot of rodent crap and nests in there.
Hell I even have rodent nests in my frame rails....

I would like to reuse the panel if possible so I can clean it out blast it paint it and put it back on.
Title: Re: Don's 69 Rust Belt Charger restoration
Post by: mopar4don on September 11, 2013, 05:43:12 AM
Quote from: six-tee-nine on September 11, 2013, 02:57:32 AM
Quote from: mopar4don on September 08, 2013, 07:01:29 PM
Next I pulled the cowl off, and found another mouse nest and more rust damage around the base of the a-pillars  :icon_smile_blackeye:



Is it hard to pull the cowl panel? I mean if you drill the spotwelds does it deform alot cause of the bonding adhesive they used?
I'm thinking of pulling the panel because i also have probably alot of rodent crap and nests in there.
Hell I even have rodent nests in my frame rails....

I would like to reuse the panel if possible so I can clean it out blast it paint it and put it back on.
six-tee-nine,

I would say if you have the patience and the willingness, then anyone can do this.
After drilling the spotwelds you just have to be careful when prying the cowl off as that seam sealer they used does want to stick.
The biggest thing I can say is to fight the urge to want to rip it apart, If you take your time, you can do it!
Title: Re: Don's 69 Rust Belt Charger restoration
Post by: tsmithae on September 11, 2013, 09:28:25 AM
 :2thumbs: You've obviously gpt the patience, talent, and ambition to get it done!


Title: Re: Don's 69 Rust Belt Charger restoration
Post by: gers1968rt on September 13, 2013, 04:56:40 PM
 Looking good so far, Don.
Title: Re: Don's 69 Rust Belt Charger restoration
Post by: tan top on September 13, 2013, 06:07:39 PM
 :scope:  ...  :yesnod: :cheers: :popcrn:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Rust Belt Charger restoration
Post by: mopar4don on September 18, 2013, 11:26:57 AM
Let me catch everyone up a bit.
Last winter I bought and worked on dismantling a 1969 4 door Coronet that I basically got for the rear frame rails and floor pans. If needed, I would also be able to use the
inner fenders,
inner rockers
outer rockers (I would need to patch the cutouts for the rear doors)
torsion bar crossmember
upper and lower cowl
and the rest of the entire front clip if needed.
Another thing this car did was give me the opportunity to "learn" how to take these cars apart!
Title: Re: Don's 69 Rust Belt Charger restoration
Post by: mopar4don on September 18, 2013, 11:27:58 AM
more
Title: Re: Don's 69 Rust Belt Charger restoration
Post by: mopar4don on September 18, 2013, 11:31:30 AM
Here are pics of the rear frame rails, and front floor pan. The floor pan will need to be patched in the drivers side foot well area.
The frame rails are perfect! NO rust or rot anyware!
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on September 24, 2013, 11:29:11 AM
Decided to brace up the back side of the car in preparation for rear frame swap.

Title: Re: Don's 69 Rust Belt Charger restoration
Post by: mopar4don on September 24, 2013, 11:30:20 AM
more
Title: Re: Don's 69 Rust Belt Charger restoration
Post by: Old Tired Rebel on September 24, 2013, 12:07:16 PM
Do you have to use a jig to do all this? My Charger is from Mich and the frame rails seem fine. I am hoping I don't have to pull my Cowl out a lot.
Title: Re: Don's 69 Rust Belt Charger restoration
Post by: tsmithae on September 24, 2013, 12:59:09 PM
Not necessarily, I did mine with copious amounts of bracing and measuring. Jig would be the way to go if you have the means.
Title: Re: Don's 69 Rust Belt Charger restoration
Post by: Old Tired Rebel on September 24, 2013, 01:03:37 PM
Quote from: tsmithae on September 24, 2013, 12:59:09 PM
Not necessarily, I did mine with copious amounts of bracing and measuring. Jig would be the way to go if you have the means.

Thanks
Title: Re: Don's 69 Rust Belt Charger restoration
Post by: mopar4don on September 24, 2013, 01:16:14 PM
Quote from: Old Tired Rebel on September 24, 2013, 12:07:16 PM
Do you have to use a jig to do all this? My Charger is from Mich and the frame rails seem fine. I am hoping I don't have to pull my Cowl out a lot.
Hey Rebel,
A few reasons why I used a jig,
I had NEVER done anything like this before, and being a beginner I did not want things moving around! (I don't know the tricks, and what I can and cannot get away with)
I knew (at minimum) I had to replace the rear frame rails, inner and outer rockers and the front torsion cross member.

If I were you, I would be absolutly sure there is NO debris inside the cowl. Mice love this area! I found nests inside the cowl, front and rear frame rails, and rockers. If I would have had a headliner in I'm sure there would have been one there to.

Hope this helps.
Title: Re: Don's 69 Rust Belt Charger restoration
Post by: Old Tired Rebel on September 24, 2013, 01:18:20 PM
It does help Thanks.
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on September 25, 2013, 11:22:15 AM
I've decided to replace the entire front clip with the donor clip from a 69 4 door Coronet.
I had too many issues with the Charger front clip, so I decided I would be better off to use this really nice Coronet clip!
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on September 25, 2013, 11:24:15 AM
I went ahead and got the front clip, inner and outer rockers, and passenger side front fender blasted.

inner rocker before and after
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on September 25, 2013, 11:27:54 AM
here is the front clip after blasting
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: JB400 on September 25, 2013, 12:19:39 PM
Looks good. :2thumbs:  Don't forget to swap your vin number on the rad support
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on September 25, 2013, 06:32:35 PM
Quote from: stroker400 wedge on September 25, 2013, 12:19:39 PM
Looks good. :2thumbs:  Don't forget to swap your vin number on the rad support
Thanks stroker, that is in the plans!
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: Baldwinvette77 on September 25, 2013, 06:40:42 PM
You did a good job at erasing that coronet from existence  :lol:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: cdr on September 25, 2013, 07:13:10 PM
again--------------------------simply amazing   :2thumbs: 
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: Baldwinvette77 on September 25, 2013, 07:39:42 PM
yeah seriously awesome job  :2thumbs:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on September 26, 2013, 05:45:38 AM
Quote from: Baldwinvette77 on September 25, 2013, 06:40:42 PM
You did a good job at erasing that coronet from existence  :lol:
Thanks everyone for the encouraging words!
77, it may not exist anymore, but it's parts will live on in another........ (and man did it save me some $$)
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: bill440rt on September 26, 2013, 06:47:04 AM
I'm in disbelief.  :o
Let me understand this correctly. This is your FIRST time doing a restoration like this?? You're making some of the pro's look like amateurs!  :lol:
Very nice work you're doing. If you've never done this before, how did you learn all this?
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on September 26, 2013, 10:03:12 AM
Quote from: bill440rt on September 26, 2013, 06:47:04 AM
I'm in disbelief.  :o
Let me understand this correctly. This is your FIRST time doing a restoration like this?? You're making some of the pro's look like amateurs!  :lol:
Very nice work you're doing. If you've never done this before, how did you learn all this?

Thanks Bill,
I really have to give all of the credit to my dad, who taught me (by example) that you can do ANYTHING if you just put you mind to it!
As I was growing up, I saw him do everything. He NEVER paid someone to do any type of work for him!
He did everything, from working on cars (he never restored any) to remodeling/building houses. He did plumbing, electrical, roofing, concrete... you name it he did it! His main career he worked on computers. (keep in mind back in the 60's not many people had ever even seen a computer!)(The computer systems he worked on filled a room!) So he had to trouble shoot the problem and repair the circuitry. Not many do this anymore, they just swap out boards.
Anyway, with someone like that as a role model you learn a few things along the way!

Personally I have been in the tool & die / mold maker trade for 35 years. So between what I learned from my dad and my career I think I'm up to the challenge.

As for the car, I always loved the muscle cars and had a couple in the late 70's early 80's. About 4-5 years ago I decided I need a "project", and not having the big bucks to spend on a turn key car, I decided that I would restore one. After a year or two searching I decided on the 2nd gen charger and picked up my current one about 2 years ago. It sat while I finished a remodeling project for the wife. And about a year ago I started the "rust belt restoration"!
When I was looking I knew I could only afford a project car, But after finding this forum and forbbodiesonly forum I started reading how other guys out there were bringing back the "dead" and this really appealed to me. To be honest, I never would have attempted restoring a car at this level without the help and inspiration of the members of DC.com and forbbodiesonly.com.
I needed a challenge and I got it!
Sorry for being so long winded.

Bill, I saw your car at the Dream cruise and WOW what a beautiful ride! Do you still have the green charger?

Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: bill440rt on September 26, 2013, 05:56:58 PM
Very impressive!  :cheers:

Thanks for the compliment also on my '70.
And yes, I still have the green '69!  :yesnod:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: Homerr on September 26, 2013, 06:47:10 PM
So, are the pics we're seeing in real-time or over the past year?
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: fy469rtse on September 27, 2013, 01:14:50 AM
 :popcrn: :popcrn: :popcrn: I don't care as long as they keep coming , great build , how to put your charger together from a million pieces, and from memory, god and I thought some of the things I had to do were hard, wish I had seen this first , would zipped along with a whole new attitude,
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on September 27, 2013, 11:01:42 AM
Quote from: Homerr on September 26, 2013, 06:47:10 PM
So, are the pics we're seeing in real-time or over the past year?
Yes they are in the past year.

Quote from: fy469rtse on September 27, 2013, 01:14:50 AM
:popcrn: :popcrn: :popcrn: I don't care as long as they keep coming , great build , how to put your charger together from a million pieces, and from memory, god and I thought some of the things I had to do were hard, wish I had seen this first , would zipped along with a whole new attitude,
thanks fy469rtse
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: Homerr on September 27, 2013, 11:58:39 AM
Ok, still great work!

We were just collectively freaking out at how fast you were moving on the project.
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on September 27, 2013, 12:24:52 PM
Quote from: Homerr on September 27, 2013, 11:58:39 AM
Ok, still great work!

We were just collectively freaking out at how fast you were moving on the project.

Um just so everybody knows I did put that disclamer in my very 1st post......

Quote from: mopar4don on September 01, 2013, 08:34:55 PM
I am in the process of restoring a 1969 Charger.
I have never done anything like this with a car or truck so it should be a blast!
Hey, what can I say, I need a project. And I think I'VE GOT A PROJECT!! :scratchchin:

Just so everyone knows, I started this resto last year (will be trying to get you caught up)
Any and all comments, suggestions are welcome


I'ts not a problem though, I wish I was half that fast.
I would'nt even want to guess how long it's going to take! :icon_smile_question:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: six-tee-nine on September 27, 2013, 01:37:39 PM
Hey Don,

Remember me asking on page 2 if I could pull the cowl panel and reuse it?  Well your pictures pulled me over the line. Last week I grabbed the drill and spent almost 6 hours on drilling and carefully grinding the seams. But its done, and undeformed to be put back in place. I'm gonna put the top cowl panel back on after I blast, epoxy prime and paint that lower cowl panel.
I dont regret pulling the panel because I removed a bucket full of rodent nest/crap from under that panel...

I think you are doing an awesome job for the first time and think I spent over 30 hours of grinding and drilling spotwelds on my car and it still looks complete so I can only imagine the time and dedication you have put in yours so far.
Keep up the good (and inspiring) work.
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on September 27, 2013, 02:37:08 PM
Quote from: six-tee-nine on September 27, 2013, 01:37:39 PM
Hey Don,

Remember me asking on page 2 if I could pull the cowl panel and reuse it?  Well your pictures pulled me over the line. Last week I grabbed the drill and spent almost 6 hours on drilling and carefully grinding the seams. But its done, and undeformed to be put back in place. I'm gonna put the top cowl panel back on after I blast, epoxy prime and paint that lower cowl panel.
I dont regret pulling the panel because I removed a bucket full of rodent nest/crap from under that panel...

I think you are doing an awesome job for the first time and think I spent over 30 hours of grinding and drilling spotwelds on my car and it still looks complete so I can only imagine the time and dedication you have put in yours so far.
Keep up the good (and inspiring) work.

Hi six-tee-nine,
Glad it all worked out for you.
And your right about taking your time. Thats the biggest thing I fight with, is wanting to pry things apart and muscle it.
Thats one of the most important things I can recommend, is to take your time and don't force it. Especially if your trying to save the panel!

And thanks for the compliments, all I can say is were all learning together.
Oh yeah, six-tee-nine, do you have a thread so I can see the pics?
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: Old Tired Rebel on September 27, 2013, 02:58:00 PM
I love these builds. Even though I am having to wait I am making plans on doing small projects until I get my welder.
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: six-tee-nine on September 28, 2013, 07:07:41 AM
Quote from: mopar4don on September 27, 2013, 02:37:08 PM
Oh yeah, six-tee-nine, do you have a thread so I can see the pics?


I need mo make one but my progress is soooo slow I dont have enough to share I think. I lost 2 grand worth of parts (long story) that i need to buy again now so progress ist that fast.
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: XS29L9B2 on September 28, 2013, 07:23:35 AM
nice work
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: fy469rtse on October 07, 2013, 12:12:53 AM
have you been to your garage lately, some one just put a rust free frame on ebay, unless its you because you gave up  :icon_smile_big:, kidding , more progress  , this is good stuff keep the updates coming
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on October 09, 2013, 11:25:29 AM
Quote from: fy469rtse on October 07, 2013, 12:12:53 AM
have you been to your garage lately, some one just put a rust free frame on ebay, unless its you because you gave up  :icon_smile_big:, kidding , more progress  , this is good stuff keep the updates coming

I saw that guys ad on craigslist.... he's asking a bit more on ebay!
http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/dak/pts/4011266504.html
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on October 09, 2013, 11:30:19 AM
After getting the front clip blasted, I decided to try my first "patch" job.
It was rusted out in the outer hinge pillar.


Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on October 09, 2013, 11:32:28 AM
I think it turned out pretty good!
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: XS29L9B2 on October 09, 2013, 11:36:40 AM
perfectly  :popcrn:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: Homerr on October 09, 2013, 02:10:33 PM
Looks like you're a pro now!   :2thumbs:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: Mopar Nut on October 09, 2013, 07:48:12 PM
Quote from: mopar4don on October 09, 2013, 11:32:28 AM
I think it turned out pretty good!
Turned out excellent.
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on October 11, 2013, 11:28:02 AM
Here is the other patch I did.
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on October 11, 2013, 11:34:27 AM
a few more pics.....
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: cdr on October 11, 2013, 11:50:33 AM
looking great there MR DON !!!   :2thumbs:
Title: Front clip in epoxy primer
Post by: mopar4don on October 21, 2013, 11:22:49 AM
Ok I got the front clip in epoxy primer
Title: More parts in primer
Post by: mopar4don on October 21, 2013, 11:34:16 AM
And a few more pics of the other parts I primered
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: RIDELIKEHELL on October 21, 2013, 12:02:09 PM
Great work! It's getting there
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: tsmithae on October 21, 2013, 01:10:09 PM
 :o  I'm impressed!  This car is going to be well protected from rust with as far blown apart as she is.
Title: Bracing for front clip removal
Post by: mopar4don on October 24, 2013, 11:26:00 AM
I knew that I needed to brace the car in preperation for the replacement of the front clip, and possibly the entire roof!

1st I added bracing to locate the front half of the roof.
The bracing goes all the way down to the frame jig and is welded only at the jig.
This way if I decide to replace the roof I'll be able to lift the old off, and put the new on.
The bracing will locate everything. At least thats the idea!

Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: tan top on October 24, 2013, 12:12:22 PM
 :2thumbs:  .... :popcrn:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: Mopar Nut on October 24, 2013, 03:07:37 PM
Nice!   :popcrn:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on November 06, 2013, 07:46:22 PM
Next I removed the rear seat floor pan
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on November 06, 2013, 07:52:44 PM
Then I added more bracing at the back half of the roof
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: cdr on November 06, 2013, 07:55:14 PM
 :o    you are a brave man!!!! keep at it  :yesnod:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: tsmithae on November 06, 2013, 08:37:36 PM
You're really going to town on that thing, nice work!
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: fy469rtse on November 07, 2013, 07:13:59 PM
 :popcrn: :popcrn:
I agree, not for the faint hearted, keep going, fantastic skills and work to this project
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: lexxman on November 12, 2013, 12:42:16 PM
Quote from: cdr on November 06, 2013, 07:55:14 PM
:o    you are a brave man!!!! keep at it  :yesnod:
I don't know if would go there.
Title: Rear frame rail removal
Post by: mopar4don on November 15, 2013, 06:35:21 PM
Ok, it's time to get the old nasty rear frame rails out!
Title: Rear frame rail removal
Post by: mopar4don on November 15, 2013, 06:38:06 PM
So after a little cutting and prying......... out they go!
Title: Rear frame rail removal
Post by: mopar4don on November 15, 2013, 06:42:24 PM
So now that those are out, the new ones went right in.
Title: Rear frame rail removal
Post by: mopar4don on November 15, 2013, 06:50:10 PM
I made this locating mount for the rear frame rails.
It has a 1" inch diameter pin extending out and locating in the spring mount hole
Title: Rear frame rail removal
Post by: mopar4don on November 15, 2013, 06:55:53 PM
The front part of the rear frame rail is located by a 1" pin that extends up out of a cross bar I have on the jig.
If you look closely in the bottom of the rail you can see the pin extending out of the alignment hole that are in the rail
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: cdr on November 15, 2013, 07:06:08 PM
 :o  i am still SPEEEEAAAACHLESS      :2thumbs:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: tsmithae on November 15, 2013, 07:08:40 PM
 :o

Wow!  Well done, Sir!
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: tan top on November 15, 2013, 07:17:36 PM
 :coolgleamA:  looking good  :yesnod:  :2thumbs: :popcrn:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: JB400 on November 15, 2013, 11:34:42 PM
Looking good. :2thumbs:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: 1974dodgecharger on November 15, 2013, 11:58:43 PM
Wow great work...
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: lexxman on November 18, 2013, 12:41:27 PM
holy crap :o
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: Ghoste on November 18, 2013, 12:55:27 PM
Thats some amazing progress in just a year Don.   :2thumbs: :cheers:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on November 18, 2013, 03:07:29 PM
Thanks everyone!
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: charge69 on November 18, 2013, 03:12:44 PM
Amazing work !! :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on January 04, 2014, 07:13:20 PM
Time to remove the inner rockers..........
Hopefully she won't move!

Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: tsmithae on January 05, 2014, 12:42:39 AM
 :icon_smile_shock: Good luck!
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: JB400 on January 05, 2014, 12:44:38 AM
 :o :o :o

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Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: gers1968rt on January 05, 2014, 09:32:54 AM
Rust sure is ugly, looks like you're doing an awesome job, Don. Keep us posted, I love looking at these kind of pics. Ger
:hack:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: tan top on January 05, 2014, 09:52:13 AM
 :scope:   :2thumbs:   :popcrn:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: 1970Moparmann on January 05, 2014, 10:15:36 AM
Quote from: mopar4don on September 26, 2013, 10:03:12 AM
I really have to give all of the credit to my dad, who taught me (by example) that you can do ANYTHING if you just put you mind to it!

Very cool!  i just saw this thread for the first time - WOW.   Good luck to you.   

I still want to restore a car 100% on my own - with my son(s).   

Years ago I found a very good forum about bodywork, mainly painting.  http://autobodystore.com/forum/forum.php

There is a wealth of information on both this forum and also the Autobodystore forum.   Thanks for documenting everything because this will inspire many people! :2thumbs:

Mike
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: Challenger340 on January 05, 2014, 10:38:20 AM
I just found this thread....
THAT is absolutely amazing... WOW ! :2thumbs:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on January 05, 2014, 03:46:14 PM
Quote from: tsmithae on January 05, 2014, 12:42:39 AM
:icon_smile_shock: Good luck!
Thanks tsmith, and stroker400 I hope you and all others enjoy
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: tsmithae on January 05, 2014, 03:47:48 PM
Of course, I am looking forward to the transformation.   :cheers:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on January 05, 2014, 04:02:24 PM
Quote from: gers1968rt on January 05, 2014, 09:32:54 AM
Rust sure is ugly, looks like you're doing an awesome job, Don. Keep us posted, I love looking at these kind of pics. Ger
:hack:
Right you are Ger, the pictures of the rust look really nasty!
I'll do my best to keep it up to date, although I am behind (I last worked on the car on Labor day weekend)

Quote from: 1970Moparmann on January 05, 2014, 10:15:36 AM
Quote from: mopar4don on September 26, 2013, 10:03:12 AM
I really have to give all of the credit to my dad, who taught me (by example) that you can do ANYTHING if you just put you mind to it!

Very cool!  i just saw this thread for the first time - WOW.   Good luck to you.   
I still want to restore a car 100% on my own - with my son(s).   
Years ago I found a very good forum about bodywork, mainly painting.  http://autobodystore.com/forum/forum.php
There is a wealth of information on both this forum and also the Autobodystore forum.   Thanks for documenting everything because this will inspire many people! :2thumbs: Mike
Thanks 1970Moparmann, and if you keep looking you will find something you and your son can work on together!
And thanks for the Autobodystore forum link. I just registered there as a member. I need all the help I can get!

Tan top, and Challenger340, and anyone that I may have missed, thank you for your well wishes and enjoy
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: Baldwinvette77 on January 05, 2014, 04:05:13 PM
It's builds like this, thats helps me confirm that alot of the big names in restos are candy asses for passing up on these cars  :cheers:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on January 05, 2014, 04:15:05 PM
The next thing I want to do is to remove the front clip......
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on January 05, 2014, 04:24:23 PM
But before I do this I decided to add some more bracing...
I notched the bracing so it will locate the lower part of the a-pillar and the upper roof area
Basically everywhere I wanted it to locate. I also used a sharpy marker to mark these locating points.
Notice how all of the bracing runs down and is welded to the body jig. I don't want anything to move!
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: Baldwinvette77 on January 05, 2014, 04:30:14 PM
Man with the amount of metal youre cutting out from that thing, you probably could have started with a camaro, and still end up with a charger  :drool5:  :lol:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: toocheaptosmoke on January 05, 2014, 05:26:19 PM
Awesome work!  :cheers:  Really dig the use of a donor car for the metal parts instead of reproductions.  :2thumbs:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: Ghoste on January 06, 2014, 06:24:48 AM
It sure is scary when they get down this far isn't it?
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: 1974dodgecharger on January 06, 2014, 06:28:04 AM
holy sheit, you are essentilaly build this car brand new!!!!
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: lexxman on January 06, 2014, 10:40:38 AM
Quote from: 1974dodgecharger on January 06, 2014, 06:28:04 AM
holy sheit, you are essentilaly build this car brand new!!!!
I still blown away with the amount you're doing.I know i would have sold it or junked it.
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: Homerr on January 06, 2014, 01:03:44 PM
Quote from: lexxman on January 06, 2014, 10:40:38 AM
Quote from: 1974dodgecharger on January 06, 2014, 06:28:04 AM
holy sheit, you are essentilaly build this car brand new!!!!
I still blown away with the amount you're doing.I know i would have sold it or junked it.

Sometimes it's about the journey, not the destination.
Title: Re: Don's 69 Rust Belt Charger restoration
Post by: Bobs69 on January 06, 2014, 02:17:02 PM
Quote from: CornDogsCharger on September 09, 2013, 05:55:32 PM
Looks like you're making great progress!  Keep up the great work.  I love seeing rough and rusty cars getting saved and put back on the road!  The rustier they are, the more I appreciate the work that goes into saving them.  

Justin
"CornDog"

Very nice.  looks like you are enjoying life.  Where are you getting all the free time?  Are you retired and/or just really passionate?

I just quickly looked threw the thread and you obviously are a methodical individual.  you must have patience and good organizational skills?   I wouldn't attempt it only because I got a big mess in my own shop I'm not too sure what to do with!
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on January 06, 2014, 05:23:36 PM
Quote from: Bobs69 on January 06, 2014, 02:17:02 PM
Quote from: CornDogsCharger on September 09, 2013, 05:55:32 PM
Looks like you're making great progress!  Keep up the great work.  I love seeing rough and rusty cars getting saved and put back on the road!  The rustier they are, the more I appreciate the work that goes into saving them. 

Justin
"CornDog"

Very nice.  looks like you are enjoying life.  Where are you getting all the free time?  Are you retired and/or just really passionate?

I just quickly looked threw the thread and you obviously are a methodical individual.  you must have patience and good organizational skills?   I wouldn't attempt it only because I got a big mess in my own shop I'm not too sure what to do with!

Thank you Bobs69, and no I'm not retired, just decided I needed a "project". Patience.... mmmm, yeah I suppose anyone would have to have patience to restore a car.
I know I would like to have a bigger garage.... my wife is not happy having to park outside in the snow! (Hey it's not my fault the snow blower keeps breaking) :shruggy:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on January 06, 2014, 05:25:38 PM
It's a good thing I have my Grandpa's 1968 Allis Chalmers Lawn tractor with snowblower as a backup!
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on January 06, 2014, 05:27:45 PM
Cause it's like -5 degrees right now and we have approx 2 1/2 feet of snow on the ground!
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on January 07, 2014, 07:38:33 PM
Alright back to the project.....

Now you see it....
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on January 07, 2014, 07:40:12 PM
Now you don't
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: Homerr on January 07, 2014, 09:49:31 PM
Wow!   :o  Most sheet metal ever replaced on a charger?  You doing the roof skin too? 
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: The70RT on January 07, 2014, 10:07:15 PM
 :o
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: timmycharger on January 07, 2014, 10:08:28 PM
 :sick: Holy Hell!! Unreal man, keep up the great work :cheers:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: MoparManJim on January 07, 2014, 11:33:57 PM
Are you repairing OR chopping the car?  :o
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on January 08, 2014, 07:10:06 AM
Quote from: Homerr on January 07, 2014, 09:49:31 PM
Wow!   :o  Most sheet metal ever replaced on a charger?  You doing the roof skin too? 

Thanks homer, Yeah maybe, The roof skin does have problems. I am undecided at this point.
Stay tuned......

Quote from: timmycharger on January 07, 2014, 10:08:28 PM
:sick: Holy Hell!! Unreal man, keep up the great work :cheers:
Thanks timmy

Quote from: MoparManJim on January 07, 2014, 11:33:57 PM
Are you repairing OR chopping the car?  :o
At this point you really cant tell can you?
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: Homerr on January 08, 2014, 09:22:22 AM
Better send photos to AMD and get sponsorship!
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on January 08, 2014, 09:33:36 AM
Now there's a thought
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: Baldwinvette77 on January 08, 2014, 09:36:03 AM
I said it before, i'll say it again, with amount of steel youre cutting out of that charger, you could have really started with anything  :lol: This by far the coolest rebuild i've seen  :2thumbs:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: gers1968rt on January 08, 2014, 08:22:57 PM
And I thought I was a sucker for punishment. :icon_smile_blackeye:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: bakerhillpins on January 08, 2014, 10:04:44 PM
Um, like, er, you basically took the entire car apart. :faint:    :o

Fun to watch indeed. You are doing a wonderful job.   :2thumbs:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on January 09, 2014, 06:40:35 AM
Quote from: gers1968rt on January 08, 2014, 08:22:57 PM
And I thought I was a sucker for punishment. :icon_smile_blackeye:
Hey Ger, I sometimes feel the same way! Only I have two black eyes!

Quote from: bakerhillpins on January 08, 2014, 10:04:44 PM
Um, like, er, you basically took the entire car apart. :faint:    :o

Fun to watch indeed. You are doing a wonderful job.   :2thumbs:

Thanks bakerhillpins, you know it goes....... you start on this, which leads to that, and then you get the mindset that as long as I have it apart I might as well do it right...... before you know it, it's compleatly apart! But thats why I am on here, to get help and encourgement from you guys!
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: fy469rtse on January 09, 2014, 07:37:51 AM
Oh my god watching this thread with disbelieve, fantastic effort, that last shot there's more jig and bracing then there is car :popcrn: :popcrn:, I'm betting that your good with five thousand piece jigsaws of a sunset,
Keep at it can't wait to see car appear again
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: bakerhillpins on January 09, 2014, 08:39:37 AM
Quote from: mopar4don on January 09, 2014, 06:40:35 AM
Thanks bakerhillpins, you know it goes....... you start on this, which leads to that, and then you get the mindset that as long as I have it apart I might as well do it right...... before you know it, it's compleatly apart! But thats why I am on here, to get help and encourgement from you guys!

I hear you... That's how I ended up where I am with my house renovations.  :brickwall:  I have to say though, when it's all completed and you look at what you have done, there is quite the sense of accomplishment.
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: green69rt on January 09, 2014, 09:09:08 AM
I thought I was replacing a lot of my car but you have me beat by a mile!!
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on January 09, 2014, 09:17:13 AM
Quote from: bakerhillpins on January 09, 2014, 08:39:37 AM
I hear you... That's how I ended up where I am with my house renovations.  :brickwall:  I have to say though, when it's all completed and you look at what you have done, there is quite the sense of accomplishment.


That's one good reason, another reason why I do EVERYTHING myself is the cost. I figured out a long time ago, that as a rule of thumb, you can do about anything for 1/2 the cost that you would pay someone to do it! And a lot of times it's more than 1/2 the cost! (I used that savings to buy more tools! And what guy does'nt LOVE tools!) :yesnod:
By doing, I also learned and gained the experience and confidence it takes to tackle that next big project!

You are absolutly right about finishing a project, and being proud of what you did!

Quote from: green69rt on January 09, 2014, 09:09:08 AM
I thought I was replacing a lot of my car but you have me beat by a mile!!
Thanks green69rt
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: fy469rtse on January 09, 2014, 09:22:07 AM
Nah Mitch you've done the same amount, he just did it all at once , you two related ? I like his jig though, pins to locate holes and dimensions in chassis
Can't wait to see that front clip go back in, hoping he mocks it up and trial fits all sheet metal for fit before everything is fully welded
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: green69rt on January 10, 2014, 01:25:43 PM
Quote from: fy469rtse on January 09, 2014, 09:22:07 AM
Nah Mitch you've done the same amount, he just did it all at once , you two related ? I like his jig though, pins to locate holes and dimensions in chassis
Can't wait to see that front clip go back in, hoping he mocks it up and trial fits all sheet metal for fit before everything is fully welded


Yeah, I'm jealous of the jig!
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: fy469rtse on January 10, 2014, 09:25:36 PM
Yeh would have handy Mitch , but you did a fantastic job without it,
He has quite a bit to go to catch you, loved the shots of your rear end completed,
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: CornDogsCharger on January 11, 2014, 07:21:26 PM
Man, you're doing a great job!!!  I've missed the last 4 pages of this build until now.  I've rebuilt a few VERY rusty cars but I have to say... this one takes the cake!!  What makes it even better, you're doing all of it in a very simple, everyday, 2 car garage... or so it appears.  Keep up the great work!

Justin
"CornDog"
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on January 13, 2014, 09:05:02 AM
Quote from: CornDogsCharger on January 11, 2014, 07:21:26 PM
Man, you're doing a great job!!!  I've missed the last 4 pages of this build until now.  I've rebuilt a few VERY rusty cars but I have to say... this one takes the cake!!  What makes it even better, you're doing all of it in a very simple, everyday, 2 car garage... or so it appears.  Keep up the great work!

Justin
"CornDog"
Thanks corndog,
You know I could have patched and repaired, like most guys do. But I came accross a donor 4 door 69 Coronet that had PERFECT rear frame rails. And an almost PERFECT front clip. To me (a rookie), it seemed better (and cheaper) to use these Coronet parts than to cut patch, cut patch.....
Please feel free to leave any comments .
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: cdr on January 13, 2014, 09:30:13 AM
hey Don,I would agree about using the coronet,when you get done you will have a VERY solid car.  :2thumbs:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: Homerr on January 13, 2014, 10:16:59 AM
What about the core support numbers?  Are you swapping the panel?
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on January 13, 2014, 10:22:19 AM
Yes, I'll swap the front core support and rear trunk lip if I can save it
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on January 15, 2014, 12:28:12 PM
I thought I would take a minute and bring everyone up to date. These are the final pictures that I have from the front clip and rear frame rail replacement that I did back on Labor Day weekend!
Like I said it's been a while and I look forward to getting back out there!

Anyway enjoy
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on January 15, 2014, 12:29:27 PM
more......
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: tan top on January 15, 2014, 03:30:38 PM
 :2thumbs: been busy  :yesnod:   good stuff  :popcrn:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: tsmithae on January 15, 2014, 04:19:05 PM
 :o

That looks like a charger again!  Very nice work!
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: Baldwinvette77 on January 15, 2014, 06:49:23 PM
Awesome, just awesome  :2thumbs:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: gers1968rt on January 16, 2014, 07:03:23 AM
Very nice job, Don. So you've taken some time off since Labor Day? I can't wait for more progress pics.
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: fy469rtse on January 16, 2014, 07:35:04 AM
 :popcrn: :popcrn: :popcrn: :popcrn: :popcrn: absolutely fantastic work Don, great looking at what resembles a car again sort off  :2thumbs:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: Ghoste on January 16, 2014, 07:37:45 AM
I have a lot of respect for you guys who can do this kind of thing.
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: fy469rtse on January 17, 2014, 06:10:16 AM
When I first saw those recent shots with sheets steel laying across roof and boot opening, though you were doing a plug and shortening of boot lid re 500 window plug
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on January 17, 2014, 06:32:25 AM
Quote from: fy469rtse on January 17, 2014, 06:10:16 AM
When I first saw those recent shots with sheets steel laying across roof and boot opening, though you were doing a plug and shortening of boot lid re 500 window plug

Naw just extra pieces.
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on February 03, 2014, 08:52:14 PM
MORE SURGERY!
Removed what was left of the pass side quarter.
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on February 03, 2014, 08:53:04 PM
Then I removed the door jam or lock pillar, and the rear window support.
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on February 03, 2014, 08:53:52 PM
Next I got those nasty rear wheelhouses out!
Here you can see where I spot drilled
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on February 03, 2014, 08:54:57 PM
I used the cutoff wheel from inside the wheelhouse and cut around the roof support
I did it this way because there are about 5 or 6 spotwelds attaching the wheelhouse lip to the roof support underneath the package tray. And I could not get to them! Doing it this way allowed me to get everything out of my way, and then I just peeled back what was left under the roof support to get to the spot welds.
I'll get pictures of this when I do the drivers side.
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on February 03, 2014, 08:55:29 PM
Until the the wheelhouse separated!
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: Baldwinvette77 on February 03, 2014, 09:26:01 PM
Nows the best time to install the quarter window regulators... Trust me  :lol:  :2thumbs:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: fy469rtse on February 04, 2014, 05:22:26 PM
If you ever wanted see to see what a build thread would look like if a magician built one,
whala now you see now you dont , the car is is still in front off you, but is it, whala its back , i keep seeing David copperfield waving his hands around, unbelievable creating a car out of thin air  :2thumbs:   :2thumbs:  :2thumbs: :popcrn: :popcrn:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on February 05, 2014, 06:31:04 AM
Quote from: fy469rtse on February 04, 2014, 05:22:26 PM
If you ever wanted see to see what a build thread would look like if a magician built one,
whala now you see now you dont , the car is is still in front off you, but is it, whala its back , i keep seeing David copperfield waving his hands around, unbelievable creating a car out of thin air  :2thumbs:   :2thumbs:  :2thumbs: :popcrn: :popcrn:
Oh it's all there, believe me. No hocus pocus here!
Everytime I walk into the garage it pleads FIX ME! FIX ME!
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: XS29L9B2 on February 05, 2014, 09:40:19 AM
very nice work again
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: warpspeed on February 05, 2014, 11:43:41 AM
OMG! 
Magic, right. 
I now know just what it will take to tear down my RT/SE. 
My car is worse than this Charger since it sat on the ground for years. 
Not so sure anymore if I really want to do that. 
Great job!
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: gers1968rt on February 05, 2014, 04:55:10 PM
Quote from: warpspeed on February 05, 2014, 11:43:41 AM
OMG! 
Magic, right. 
I now know just what it will take to tear down my RT/SE. 
My car is worse than this Charger since it sat on the ground for years. 
Not so sure anymore if I really want to do that. 
Great job!

You've got a car worse than Don's? Oh my, you will have to really love that car to fix it like Don is doing. At least its an RT/SE so it would be worth it if you can do most of the work yourself.
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: fy469rtse on February 06, 2014, 06:13:23 AM
Warp speed , post photos ,
Have a look at GERs thread , set up a jig similar to GERs, those large holes in chassis rails good points to locate rails for replacement, just start , concentrate on one area at a time ,
Do the rear rails floor and panels first

Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: Mopar Nut on February 08, 2014, 04:27:52 AM
 :popcrn:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on February 13, 2014, 07:00:14 PM
Drivers side wheel house removed

I did this just like the pass side.....
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on February 13, 2014, 07:02:10 PM
With the wheel house out of the way, I peeled back the remaining piece of the wheel house that was under the roof support.
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on February 13, 2014, 07:02:51 PM
I peeled it back far enough until I could get my air hammer in between the back edge of the roof support and the lip of the wheel house.
These spot welds were really small. Easily cut through by the air hammer.
(I pushed it a little to hard on this side. You can see how the air hammer tore the metal around the spot welds)
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: gers1968rt on February 14, 2014, 07:04:38 AM
Don, your car looks so much like mine, but just half as much.  ;D
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: r4daytona on February 14, 2014, 08:23:19 AM
You're really making progress!  Hope you're current on your tetnus shot! :lol:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on February 14, 2014, 08:57:49 AM
Thanks Ger, and Tom.
The worst so far was when I was wire wheeling with a 4-1/2 grinder and a wire flew off and lodged into my eyebrow!  :icon_smile_blackeye: OUCH!
And Yes, I was wearing safety glasses and a dust mask. But since that happened I use a full face shield!

Buy the way, Tom your Daytona is AWESOME! I have enjoyed watching it on facebook and GYC "come back from the dead"! :2thumbs:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: tsmithae on February 14, 2014, 12:18:33 PM
Keep on keepin' on! I too had an incident with a grinder... I had a sliver of metal ricochet off of my face, safety glasses, and straight into my eye...  had to go the the optometrist to get it removed... Needless to say, I upgraded my safety glasses!  :coolgleamA:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: HOTROD on February 16, 2014, 12:58:09 AM
Holey crap what car , when you started how much did you pay for it ??
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on March 08, 2014, 07:54:37 AM
I've decided to remove the roof skin so, the 1st thing I did was remove the seam sealer from inside the drip rail.
I used a torch and screw driver to scrape it out.
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on March 08, 2014, 08:00:49 AM
Then I started drilling spot welds from under the drip rail. Once this is removed the roof skin should come off fairly easy.
I decided to do it this way for three reasons,
#1 I had some rust damage that I needed to get at and removing the drip rail would allow me access.
#2 I will get the roof structure blasted and primed. And with the skin off, I'll get a better job!
#3 I thought it would be easier!

Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on March 08, 2014, 08:02:15 AM
more
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on March 08, 2014, 08:03:43 AM
There are a LOT of spot welds
AND I MEAN A LOT OF SPOT WELDS 105 of them! Man I'm tired! And just think I get to do it again on the drivers side! LUCKY ME!
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on March 08, 2014, 08:04:15 AM
Here is a little of the rust damage I'll have to fix.
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: Stevearino on March 08, 2014, 08:34:38 AM
Did you realize when you started this project that you would have to go this deep to replace this much metal or is this a journey of discovery?

To your estimate what exactly will be left of the original car by the time you are done?
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on March 08, 2014, 09:15:39 AM
Quote from: Stevearino on March 08, 2014, 08:34:38 AM
Did you realize when you started this project that you would have to go this deep to replace this much metal or is this a journey of discovery?

To your estimate what exactly will be left of the original car by the time you are done?
When I bought the car I had no idea it would be this involved! I'm sure that someone else that has experience restoring cars would probably not do what I have done, but do to my nature (DO IT RIGHT) I CANNOT do something halfway.
I will say right now the only sheet metal that will be original will be the roof structure, package tray, hood, trunk lid, and doors. But then again I have not gotten to all of those yet! :eyes:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: myk on March 08, 2014, 09:27:54 AM
I can't say anything that hasn't already been said about your impressive work.  You sir, are truly gifted!
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: tan top on March 08, 2014, 09:31:56 AM
got some time consuming stuff going on now , ..... that's what i hate doing the most with bodywork ,  drilling out spot welds & cutting & cleaning up all the rust & rot ,  have always hated doing that bit  :brickwall: when its all cleaned up new panels or metal clamped in place ready to weld is a different story  :dance:

keep the pictures coming !!  :cheers: :popcrn:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: gers1968rt on March 09, 2014, 08:47:16 AM
Wow, that is some ugly rust there. You sure you don't have a whole roof out back somewhere?  :icon_smile_big:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: hemi-hampton on March 09, 2014, 11:26:31 AM
And I though ridelikehell's silver car was alot of work. with 99% of the car replaced could this be considered the same car or rebody? LEON.
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: 88Saleenmustang on March 17, 2014, 08:24:31 PM
Unfriggenbelievable!  :cheers: x/1000 bro!
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: RIDELIKEHELL on March 18, 2014, 05:58:41 AM
Quote from: hemi-hampton on March 09, 2014, 11:26:31 AM
And I though ridelikehell's silver car was alot of work. with 99% of the car replaced could this be considered the same car or rebody? LEON.

:popcrn:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: XS29L9B2 on March 18, 2014, 06:00:32 AM
whooo great job she is very rusty  :icon_smile_dissapprove:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on March 18, 2014, 11:18:23 AM
Time to update, Here I got the drivers side drip rail removed!
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on March 18, 2014, 11:19:33 AM
I'll have to do some more patching!
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on March 18, 2014, 11:21:45 AM
Then I drilled out the spot welds along the front windshield channel and rear glass channel. (sorry I didn't get any pics)
Here are some pics showing the roof skin removed
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: XS29L9B2 on March 18, 2014, 12:35:22 PM
very nice work  :cheers:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: RIDELIKEHELL on March 18, 2014, 01:17:09 PM
BTW more great Work Don!
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on March 18, 2014, 01:27:20 PM
Thanks guys...... I'm pluggin away
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: gers1968rt on March 18, 2014, 05:26:45 PM
You are an inspiration to all of us.
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on April 04, 2014, 08:28:51 PM
After I removed the roof I found something interesting.
I actually noticed it while taking this picture!

Do you see it?
It's laying in the upper rear roof bow.
Go ahead look again!
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on April 04, 2014, 08:31:02 PM
Ok here are some better pictures
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on April 04, 2014, 08:31:57 PM
Apparently someone was fixing the car and had a little trouble.....
and decided to leave some tools of the trade. :buff:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on April 04, 2014, 08:32:36 PM
Here is the replacement roof and a-pillars I picked up last summer.
Not sure yet if I am going to de-skin it or try to morph it in.
Right now I am leaning on de-skining it.
Any thoughts?
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: fy469rtse on April 05, 2014, 05:57:02 AM
Was thinking , morph it , but the there would be all those areas that are corroded or rusty , exactly like the tops of your roof bows, skin it , just a few patches to your existing frame , great work , glad you posted, was wondering if you were still at it  :popcrn: :popcrn:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: Stevearino on April 05, 2014, 06:48:23 AM
Don, I know there is already a thread with  the name " Scratch Build Charger" but that seems to be what this has turned into.
I'll bet that grinding disk is oem. When I was in construction and we would open a wall on a renovation we would call stuff like that a job find. Weirdest one I ever found was a whole Sunday newspaper and when I got to the wedding announcements there was a picture of my aunt from 1958.

I would agree with fy469rtse. Chances are the top of the roof substructure is in pretty much the same condition as the one you have. Since you would want to clean that area up anyway,  judging from the extensive work you have already done, why not leave the existing roof sub structure together and clean it up on the car. What I am getting at is you will want to inspect the sub structure on the donor roof so you will probably peel that assembly apart anyway. Also at that point you can compare if there are any individual parts that are better than any on the car (like the C post sub structure) and just remove and replace those.
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: hemi-hampton on April 05, 2014, 01:51:59 PM
Steve, Did you ever find any old beer cans on these contruction jobs wall finds? Curious? LEON.
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: Stevearino on April 05, 2014, 02:54:38 PM
Quote from: hemi-hampton on April 05, 2014, 01:51:59 PM
Steve, Did you ever find any old beer cans on these contruction jobs wall finds? Curious? LEON.

Beer cans, Beer bottles, Secret messages to whoever opened the wall. Lots of curiousities but nothing of great value. My partner planted a few bottles on a couple of jobs.
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: Ryan on April 06, 2014, 12:49:30 PM
Quote from: mopar4don on April 04, 2014, 08:32:36 PM
Here is the replacement roof and a-pillars I picked up last summer.
Not sure yet if I am going to de-skin it or try to morph it in.
Right now I am leaning on de-skining it.
Any thoughts?


I would without question de-skin that replacement roof.  Do not cut up your a pillars and c pillars.  Great work by the way!
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: Pat1973charger on April 06, 2014, 06:24:45 PM
wow! impressive work your doing there! I am in the process of restoring my 73 charger but having a hard time getting body panels  :'(. keep up the great work, glad to see someone bringing a car back that most would have scrapped!
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: hemi-hampton on April 06, 2014, 09:35:23 PM
Quote from: Stevearino on April 05, 2014, 02:54:38 PM
Quote from: hemi-hampton on April 05, 2014, 01:51:59 PM
Steve, Did you ever find any old beer cans on these contruction jobs wall finds? Curious? LEON.

Beer cans, Beer bottles, Secret messages to whoever opened the wall. Lots of curiousities but nothing of great value. My partner planted a few bottles on a couple of jobs.


Sorry to hijack, I pay $1,000.00+ for certain rare beer cans, you may of thrown some away? LEON.
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: six-tee-nine on April 07, 2014, 06:03:26 AM
Every time I open this thread I'm amaze over and over again.
Great skills
Tremendous amount of patience
Huge pair of balls

All i can say is great job and stay motivated (wich can be hard some days), you will get there one day and you know its done the way it should....
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: Homerr on April 07, 2014, 11:07:36 AM
Ok Don, just admit it:  you always wanted to take a Charger entirely apart!
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on April 28, 2014, 08:34:56 PM
Patching the Roof Support on the passenger side

I took some reference pictures of the rust damage on the passenger side roof support.
This would be in the back sde rear window corner.

Roof 2 quarter panel bracket
The quarter panel gets welded to this.
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on April 28, 2014, 08:36:46 PM
I had to remove it to fix the nasty metal under it!
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on April 28, 2014, 08:38:52 PM
Then I used tape to lay out where I wanted to remove the heavily pitted and rotten metal. And cut out my 1st patch for this area.
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on April 28, 2014, 08:43:22 PM
Then I flattened out the patch and transfered it to some new metal.
I went back and forth cutting and fitting the patch to the opening I had cut out.

All of the metal for the patches came from the roof I cut off. It is the same thickness.
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on April 28, 2014, 08:44:45 PM
Notice the line representing were the bend needs to be
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on April 28, 2014, 08:46:43 PM
I put it in my vise aligning the marked line to the vise jaws.
I then hammered it over to create the 90 degree bend. (sorry no pictures)
Finally got it to were it looked pretty good!
Then welded it in!
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: cdr on April 28, 2014, 09:06:45 PM
keep after it DON  :2thumbs:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: Stevearino on April 28, 2014, 09:18:35 PM
I know it seems like backing up but this is all good forward movement. The satisfaction of seeing  those new and reconditioned parts going back into place is just around the corner. :2thumbs:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on April 28, 2014, 09:34:54 PM
Thanks fellas.
Stevo, I am so looking forward to putting new or fresh metal on!
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: six-tee-nine on April 29, 2014, 05:48:37 AM
Hey Don you're doing great. You dont see this as much progress forward maybe but all the small steps forward give you nice results after a year or so.
I'm testfitting my new trunk floor at this point and have more new sheet metal on the car at this point than ever since I have it and she looks better than she probably did in the last 20 years or so.
It's like pouring gas on my motivation flame....problem is my wife is whining more and more these days since I'm always in the shop....
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on April 29, 2014, 08:10:31 AM
Quote from: six-tee-nine on April 29, 2014, 05:48:37 AM
Hey Don you're doing great. You dont see this as much progress forward maybe but all the small steps forward give you nice results after a year or so.
I'm testfitting my new trunk floor at this point and have more new sheet metal on the car at this point than ever since I have it and she looks better than she probably did in the last 20 years or so.
It's like pouring gas on my motivation flame....problem is my wife is whining more and more these days since I'm always in the shop....
Hi six-tee-nine,
I know your right! A lot of small steps over time adds up. And the members on this site help with the motivation.

I know what you mean about the wife. (It is a constant worry for me that I don't spend enough time with her)
And she is really great with me spending a lot of time in the garage. I try to keep everything in perspective.
God 1st
Wife 2nd
family and friends 3rd

Lately we have been having date nights.
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: cdr on April 29, 2014, 10:11:18 AM
Quote from: mopar4don on April 29, 2014, 08:10:31 AM
Quote from: six-tee-nine on April 29, 2014, 05:48:37 AM
Hey Don you're doing great. You dont see this as much progress forward maybe but all the small steps forward give you nice results after a year or so.
I'm testfitting my new trunk floor at this point and have more new sheet metal on the car at this point than ever since I have it and she looks better than she probably did in the last 20 years or so.
It's like pouring gas on my motivation flame....problem is my wife is whining more and more these days since I'm always in the shop....
Hi six-tee-nine,
I know your right! A lot of small steps over time adds up. And the members on this site help with the motivation.

I know what you mean about the wife. (It is a constant worry for me that I don't spend enough time with her)
And she is really great with me spending a lot of time in the garage. I try to keep everything in perspective.
God 1st
Wife 2nd
family and friends 3rd

Lately we have been having date nights.


YES SIR MR DON,there is no other way!!!
Title: More Roof Support patching
Post by: mopar4don on May 20, 2014, 08:31:19 PM
patch #2
Title: More Roof Support patching
Post by: mopar4don on May 20, 2014, 08:33:47 PM
Patch #3
This one was a little scary! I layed out where the bends were, then hammered the original flat.
Next I transferred and cutout a new patch (a little bigger to allow for fitment) layed out the bend lines, then put it in my vise and did some bending
Title: More Roof Support patching
Post by: mopar4don on May 20, 2014, 08:36:21 PM
Kinda hard to see were it transitions from high to low, but if you backup 3-5 pics you can see what I was trying to duplicate.
Title: More Roof Support patching
Post by: mopar4don on May 20, 2014, 08:38:27 PM
Patch #4
Similar process as patch #2
Title: More Roof Support patching
Post by: mopar4don on May 20, 2014, 08:40:40 PM
more
Title: More Roof Support patching
Post by: mopar4don on May 20, 2014, 08:42:48 PM
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Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: JB400 on May 20, 2014, 11:14:11 PM
Looks good :2thumbs: :2thumbs:

:popcrn: :popcrn: :popcrn:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: six-tee-nine on May 21, 2014, 01:02:32 AM
You have waaay better skills for shaping metal patch parts than I do.....and since I found some additional pin holes in my floor pans I need to get some practice
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: tsmithae on May 21, 2014, 08:15:09 AM
That's some nice work there, Don!   :cheers:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: Homerr on May 21, 2014, 09:24:37 AM
Don, you are insane and I hope to emulate your work one day.   :2thumbs:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: charge69 on May 21, 2014, 12:59:07 PM
That's an amazing amount of metal patchwork going on here and you have far more skills than I have!  The only real patchwork/metal forming that went on with my Charger was the back-driver's side part of my roof! I had thought of actually buying an AMD roof panel but my friend, who is also an artist with any type of welder or patch work, made and blended in the roof and rail for the back glass himself!
Other than that, just replacing the rear quarters, trunk floor and accoutrements, outer 3 to 4 inches of the wheel wells, tail panel and end caps were basically it.  I salute you for all your hard work and creativity!
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on May 21, 2014, 03:12:10 PM
Thanks for all the encouragement guys.
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: Ghoste on May 21, 2014, 03:16:40 PM
Thanks for the inspiration.  ;)
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: Stevearino on May 21, 2014, 03:51:31 PM
Looks like you have a real eye for detail. Some folks would ask "Why match all the folds and bends on something that will not be seen?" Bottom line is that if you are going to do something like this properly you have to do everything as if it  WILL be seen. That discipline pays off and you will feel great knowing that you left no stone un turned. :popcrn: :popcrn:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: six-tee-nine on May 22, 2014, 01:49:15 AM
It's not really a matter of anyone seeing it, its more a matter of knowing for yourself that you've done it right.

I'm cleaning my underside of my 69 with a wire wheel right now altough the floors and undercoating was 95% OK. Only to paint it and shoot new undercoating on it.
Sometimes I think to have better left it alone since no one ever sees that. But then again if I do it all over then I have piece of mind when saying I restored my car fot the full 100%
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on June 05, 2014, 10:21:12 AM
On to the drivers side.

1st, I marked and removed the quarter panel reinforcement bracket.
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on June 05, 2014, 10:24:32 AM
1st patch welded in.
The metal where the 90 bend was good so I did not have to replace this.
I let the metal extend out over the bend, then came back and welded underneath.
And pardon the crappy welds.... I am still learning!
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on June 05, 2014, 10:27:25 AM
3rd patch
In this sequence you can see a little better how I did it
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on June 05, 2014, 10:29:53 AM
Here you can see the overhang a little better
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on June 05, 2014, 10:35:18 AM
Here are some more pics showing the different little patches and how I made them.
If anyone has any questions, feel free to post. I'm no expert, but I'll try to answer.
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on June 05, 2014, 10:36:10 AM
more
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on June 05, 2014, 10:38:46 AM
and more....
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on June 05, 2014, 10:40:45 AM
And a few more showing it finished  :yesnod:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: Stevearino on June 06, 2014, 06:46:03 PM
Can't be many more patches to do. You are at the core now. Almost time to start headin' back in the other direction. :yesnod:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: timmycharger on June 06, 2014, 09:20:59 PM
 :notworthy:
Title: Pass side Rear window lower corner
Post by: mopar4don on June 19, 2014, 02:07:27 PM
Decided to take a look at the pass side, rear lower window corner.


These 1st few pictures show what I have to work with.
You can see this bracket.
I believe it supports the deck filler panel and trunk gutter.
I was careful not to cut it when I removed those panels.
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: tsmithae on June 19, 2014, 02:11:11 PM
That looks like a portion of the quarter/dutchman pinch weld and not a support bracket to me.   :Twocents:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: Charger-Bodie on June 19, 2014, 02:25:33 PM
It is a support bracket. Not sure why they felt it needed,but they did.
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: Indygenerallee on June 19, 2014, 02:27:10 PM
Yes, that is just a part of the dutchman and quarter panel. the dutchman panel/quarter panel reinforcement bracket is attached to the inner wheel tubs and runs upward toward the dutchman panel and the dutchman and quarter panel sail section are spot welded to it.
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on June 19, 2014, 02:38:16 PM
Quote from: Indygenerallee on June 19, 2014, 02:27:10 PM
Yes, that is just a part of the dutchman and quarter panel. the dutchman panel/quarter panel reinforcement bracket is attached to the inner wheel tubs and runs upward toward the dutchman panel and the dutchman and quarter panel sail section are spot welded to it.
Your saying the bracket in the above pics is attached to the inner wheel tubs?
Title: Pass side Rear window lower corner
Post by: mopar4don on June 19, 2014, 02:43:54 PM
Once I removed that bracket (drilled out the spot welds and carefully removed it)
I drilled out the spot welds in this corner support and removed it
Title: Pass side Rear window lower corner
Post by: mopar4don on June 19, 2014, 02:45:26 PM
Before I removed the corner support I sectioned out a piece of the lower window frame.
I did not get a good picture of this, but here I am showing the piece that was sectioned out
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: tan top on June 21, 2014, 04:56:35 AM
 looks good !!   :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:    :2thumbs:     all time consuming stuff  :brickwall: 
Title: Lower window corner fab
Post by: mopar4don on August 01, 2014, 09:58:02 AM
Working on the pass side lower window corner
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on August 01, 2014, 09:58:58 AM
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Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on August 01, 2014, 10:01:16 AM
Here you can see I'm fitting the corner and the lower window frame patch
Title: Drivers side rear window lower corner
Post by: mopar4don on August 01, 2014, 10:08:51 AM
I am way behind on updates.........

On to the drivers side. It needs some fixin to!


Title: Drivers side rear window lower corner
Post by: mopar4don on August 01, 2014, 10:11:45 AM
Decided to make this one a little different
Title: Drivers side rear window lower corner
Post by: mopar4don on August 01, 2014, 10:15:49 AM
I used the old patch as a template for the new steel.
I had to do some bending and hammering and tweaking hear and there
Title: Drivers side rear window lower corner
Post by: mopar4don on August 01, 2014, 10:17:21 AM
more
Title: Drivers side rear window lower corner
Post by: mopar4don on August 01, 2014, 10:20:17 AM
I think it turned out pretty good.

Comments are welcome!
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: Stevearino on August 01, 2014, 07:18:21 PM
Those are some complicated little booger pieces you are re making there. They take a lot of time and care but they are looking great. :2thumbs:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: keepat on August 01, 2014, 07:25:40 PM
That is very time-consuming work, great job!
Pat
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on August 01, 2014, 07:50:33 PM
Quote from: Stevearino on August 01, 2014, 07:18:21 PM
Those are some complicated little booger pieces you are re making there. They take a lot of time and care but they are looking great. :2thumbs:
Yes you are right, they took more time than I want to admit.  ;D
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: Baldwinvette77 on August 01, 2014, 08:06:02 PM
I love it, Cant wait to see it actually come together  :popcrn: :popcrn: :popcrn:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: green69rt on August 01, 2014, 09:04:46 PM
Quote from: mopar4don on August 01, 2014, 07:50:33 PM
Quote from: Stevearino on August 01, 2014, 07:18:21 PM
Those are some complicated little booger pieces you are re making there. They take a lot of time and care but they are looking great. :2thumbs:
Yes you are right, they took more time than I want to admit.  ;D

Yeah, but it's make them yourself or buy them off a donor.  Either way it's time and money!!  Looking great!!
Title: Package shelf patch
Post by: mopar4don on August 16, 2014, 08:13:35 PM
Moving on to the next patch.............
Title: Package shelf patch
Post by: mopar4don on August 16, 2014, 08:15:09 PM
It worked so well on the last patch I used the old metal as a template to bend the new metal to.
Title: Package shelf patch
Post by: mopar4don on August 16, 2014, 08:19:13 PM
Next i added the triangle shaped piece (which was at a higher level)
Basically what I did was I shimmed it with a scrap piece, lined everything up and clamped it down to a piece of flat stock, then welded it up!
Title: Package shelf patch
Post by: mopar4don on August 16, 2014, 08:21:55 PM
Ok this patch is close, so I went back and patched in that channel area. Not sure what it's for? Maybe to channel any water that gets in and give it a clear path were it will dump into the trunk?  :scratchchin:
Title: Package shelf patch
Post by: mopar4don on August 16, 2014, 08:24:25 PM
Alright here are the rest of the pics showing me getting all of the patches put together.
The grey paint is duplicolor weld threw primer. And I must say I am not impressed! When I welded with this stuff on, I kept getting thick plumes of smoke kinda like when you light a torch with no air pressure and you get that weird looking plume of soot floating around. Oh well I did change to something different that seems to work very well. More of that in the future!
Title: Package shelf patch
Post by: mopar4don on August 16, 2014, 08:25:14 PM
more pics
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: hemi-hampton on August 16, 2014, 09:28:20 PM
Some Advise, A Shrinker Strecher machine would help you greatly, check into it. LEON.
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on August 16, 2014, 09:39:47 PM
Quote from: hemi-hampton on August 16, 2014, 09:28:20 PM
Some Advise, A Shrinker Strecher machine would help you greatly, check into it. LEON.
Thanks Leon,
It's on the list, as I am keeping my eye open for one.
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: hemi-hampton on August 16, 2014, 09:43:48 PM
I think Eastwood may sell affordable ones. LEON.
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: Pat1973charger on October 08, 2014, 10:13:40 AM
Some really amazing work you are doing there! The left side corner piece of my chargers rear window frame is completly gone so your pics will come in handy!
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: hemi-hampton on October 08, 2014, 05:31:36 PM
Any Updates? LEON.
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: Stevearino on October 08, 2014, 06:38:30 PM
This car is at a more advanced stage on this thread .http://www.forbbodiesonly.com/moparforum/showthread.php?51122-Don-s-1969-Charger-Restoration/page15 . I go over there every now an then to check up on the progress.
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: hemi-hampton on October 08, 2014, 07:02:32 PM
Wonder why he left here :scratchchin: :shruggy:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: gers1968rt on October 08, 2014, 07:27:53 PM
I am sure he will be back, he just posted some new stuff on the forbbodiesonly recently.
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on October 08, 2014, 08:13:34 PM
Sorry guys. I am still around. Just busy! busy! busy!
I will usually post 1st over at FBBO.com, then download there pics back to my computer, then upload back to DC.com
To me, there site is much easier to work with.
I feel like I owe you guys an explanation....... So Please don't take this wrong, I AM NOT COMPLAINING! This just works better for me.
And yes I need to update this thread!
I'm pretty swamped for the next week or so, but after that I will get this updated.
I value all of your opinions and the guys over at FBBO.com
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: Pat1973charger on October 08, 2014, 09:38:10 PM
I noticed some further progress on fbbo.com, I am not registered there. Like unsaid I'm in awe at the work you did, my 69 is far far worse. So much so that it's started to loose shape. Both of those lower window corners are completly non existent so not sure he I would even fab them, I guess I'll figure it out. Anyway again awesome work In Saving your car glad to see another saved from an untimely end
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: hemi-hampton on October 08, 2014, 09:48:58 PM
Yeah, I know posting pics on this site can be a pain in the azz & aggrevating & frustrating most of the time.  :RantExplode:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: Ghoste on October 09, 2014, 05:20:53 AM
I find it a lot easier here than sites where I need to upload to an online host and then link my image to that.
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: Homerr on October 10, 2014, 03:38:53 PM
I just went through the FBBO thread, amazing progress!

FWIW, I like FBBO image uploader.

Title: Lower A-pillar replacement
Post by: mopar4don on October 15, 2014, 07:52:07 PM
As promised Time to update.....

I decided to attack my roached A-pillars!
I have been really dreading this, but after months and months of looking at and thinking about how to fix these, I can't put it off any longer, so hang on. This is gonna be fun!

The plan is to chop the lower a-pillar section on both sides, and replace them with donors that I picked up.
Title: Lower A-pillar replacement
Post by: mopar4don on October 15, 2014, 07:55:02 PM
My dilemma!
How do I cut the old pillars off (nice straight cut) and cut the donor pillars to the exact same length?
And get everything perfectly aligned?
Stay with me as I try to explain my way through this.

The pillars have notches in them, so I decided I would compare the old pillars to the donor pillars.

This pic shows the notches, one on each end of the 6.410 dimension.
Title: Lower A-pillar replacement
Post by: mopar4don on October 15, 2014, 07:56:54 PM
I only have a 6 inch caliper, so I measured down 6 inches, made a mark,
Title: Lower A-pillar replacement
Post by: mopar4don on October 15, 2014, 07:57:54 PM
then measured the last bit .410 for an overall of 6.410
Title: Lower A-pillar replacement
Post by: mopar4don on October 15, 2014, 07:58:44 PM
Compared this 6.410 dimension to the donor pillar and WOW a perfect notch to notch match!
Title: Lower A-pillar replacement
Post by: mopar4don on October 15, 2014, 08:00:19 PM
I wanted another reference mark, so I measured down to the lower brace 5.160 and 5.300 (top and bottom side of brace)
(NOTE: I have an upper brace that is nested inside the top notch) (go back 4 pics and you will see it)
Title: Lower A-pillar replacement
Post by: mopar4don on October 15, 2014, 08:01:00 PM
I transferred these marks to the donor
Title: Lower A-pillar replacement
Post by: mopar4don on October 15, 2014, 08:02:13 PM
There was one other feature that was in common to old and new pillars. It is a notched screw hole for the trim and door seal. It checked 1.390
Title: Lower A-pillar replacement
Post by: mopar4don on October 15, 2014, 08:02:50 PM
AND 1.390 in the donor pillar! I never would have thought that!
Title: Lower A-pillar replacement
Post by: mopar4don on October 15, 2014, 08:03:40 PM
Another close up of the old pillar
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on October 15, 2014, 08:04:14 PM
To be continued...................
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: Indygenerallee on October 15, 2014, 09:26:24 PM
Looks like all sorts of fun Don, It was nice to meet you this past week as well!! :2thumbs:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: Pat1973charger on October 16, 2014, 02:59:31 AM
As I said before amaZing work your doing there, checked out your thread on fbbo with the roof structure off, you are some kind of insane. My 69 is way worse then yours to the point it has lost rigidity and shape, your posts have helped keep me determined to fix it. You don't wabt to make another pair of those rear lower window corners lol mine are rusted away completely so I will have to fab them by guess/ your pics lol. Keep cutting and welding you soon can only go forward!
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on October 16, 2014, 12:36:17 PM
Quote from: Indygenerallee on October 15, 2014, 09:26:24 PM
Looks like all sorts of fun Don, It was nice to meet you this past week as well!! :2thumbs:
Hey Indy, It was great meeting you to. Got home and all I could think of was all those "smalls" you had.  :lol:

Quote from: Pat1973charger on October 16, 2014, 02:59:31 AM
As I said before amaZing work your doing there, checked out your thread on fbbo with the roof structure off, you are some kind of insane. My 69 is way worse then yours to the point it has lost rigidity and shape, your posts have helped keep me determined to fix it. You don't wabt to make another pair of those rear lower window corners lol mine are rusted away completely so I will have to fab them by guess/ your pics lol. Keep cutting and welding you soon can only go forward!
Thanks Pat, I will continue to get this thread caught up.
I may be able to help you out. Send me a pm of what you are thinking.
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: Pat1973charger on October 18, 2014, 09:28:11 PM
Pm sent Don
Title: Time to cut!
Post by: mopar4don on October 20, 2014, 11:37:31 AM
Ok time to chop. I sure hope this works!!!!!

This is what I came up with.
I cut a 2x4 to use as a guide for my sawzall.
I lined up the back side of the 2x4 with the notch. I cut the 2x4 long enough so it would cut inbetween the 1.390 dimension
Title: Time to cut!
Post by: mopar4don on October 20, 2014, 11:39:04 AM
more pics....
Title: Time to cut!
Post by: mopar4don on October 20, 2014, 11:40:39 AM
Well its done and I have to say I was very pleased with the cut.
It cut easily and the 2x4 worked grate as a guide!
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: fy469rtse on October 20, 2014, 04:45:11 PM
keep up the good work Don,
fantastic , no such thing as a car too far gone for you  :2thumbs: :popcrn: :popcrn:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on October 20, 2014, 04:49:09 PM
Thanks, I am trying! :yesnod:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: workworkwork on October 20, 2014, 10:46:05 PM
Seeing all the work you have done and all the work you still have to do has made me exhausted. I think I need a nap now. Its a good thing you are willing to put the time into this car because it would cost a fortune at a shop. I look forward to seeing this car done.  :popcrn: :popcrn:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: six-tee-nine on October 21, 2014, 11:26:15 AM
Don, I see alot of upclose pictures, but is there anything left of your shell at this point?

I mean WOW you dismantled it well my friend.... If that thing aint gonna end up being better than stock then I dont know anymore....

Oh and keep plowing forward. I guess when you start building forward you'll start to feel better.
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on October 21, 2014, 12:24:20 PM
Quote from: workworkwork on October 20, 2014, 10:46:05 PM
Seeing all the work you have done and all the work you still have to do has made me exhausted. I think I need a nap now. Its a good thing you are willing to put the time into this car because it would cost a fortune at a shop. I look forward to seeing this car done.  :popcrn: :popcrn:
Hi workwork. Thanks it can be exhausting, (mostly mentally) haveing to think all the time! :think:


Quote from: six-tee-nine on October 21, 2014, 11:26:15 AM
Don, I see alot of upclose pictures, but is there anything left of your shell at this point?

I mean WOW you dismantled it well my friend.... If that thing aint gonna end up being better than stock then I dont know anymore....

Oh and keep plowing forward. I guess when you start building forward you'll start to feel better.
Thanks 69, your right, not much left from the original shell. At this point the only thing original is the roof structure and rear package shelf.
Not sure about door jamb lock pillars and rear window support. Should be able to use the front rad support and trunk gutters.
Title: Cut the donor A-pillars to length
Post by: mopar4don on November 03, 2014, 08:42:08 PM
Ger inspired me to update my resto.......
So next I took the 2x4 and clamped onto the donor a-pillar the exact same way. Except I moved it up on the a-pillar so that my donor section would be a little longer. (to allow for fitment, and error)
Title: Cut the donor A-pillars to length
Post by: mopar4don on November 03, 2014, 08:44:17 PM
Then I used my sawzall and cut off the donor.
Title: Cut the donor A-pillars to length
Post by: mopar4don on November 03, 2014, 08:46:06 PM
Put it back on to compare to the jig numbers and was pleased!
Title: Cut the donor A-pillars to length
Post by: mopar4don on November 03, 2014, 08:48:44 PM
I am within a 1/16 (on the high side) I am good with that. Better to be over than under!
Title: Cut the donor A-pillars to length
Post by: mopar4don on November 03, 2014, 08:50:11 PM
The only thing I noticed that was different, was were the drip rail trim goes. About .015 diff.
I'm sure I can blend it.
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: gers1968rt on November 03, 2014, 09:01:11 PM
What can I say, I'm in awe of your work.  :notworthy:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: Pat1973charger on November 03, 2014, 10:32:55 PM
That is some nitpicky little stuff to do with having to be so precise! Makes me glad the pillers are in good condition on my parts satellite.
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: 500Jon on November 04, 2014, 06:38:32 AM
Hi Don,

Totally AWESOME work!!! :buff:

Now all we need to work out is a new name for your wonderful creation!
Here goes; Chargonet or Coroger, no, Ok thats rubbish. :slap:

Now you have gone this far, I would do a 500 tribute car??? :drool5:
Drop a hemi in there with a 4-speed and you will be the God of the MoparWorld!!! :2thumbs:

Thought I did alot of work on my Canadian 71-GTX, now I know it was EASY!!! :smilielol:

Ultimate KUDOS to you and your stunning achievements!!! :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:

5J
Title: More A-pillar work
Post by: mopar4don on November 04, 2014, 09:49:53 PM
I cut the pass side a-pillar the same way as the drivers side.
Apparently this is the only pic I have.. sorry.
Title: More A-pillar work
Post by: mopar4don on November 04, 2014, 09:51:16 PM
Also did a little patching on the donor a-pillars
Title: More A-pillar work
Post by: mopar4don on November 04, 2014, 09:52:32 PM
a few more pics showing the patching
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: tsmithae on November 04, 2014, 10:51:00 PM
You certainly are getting you hands dirty and making sure to get rid of any bad metal!  You certainly have my resepct!  :cheers:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on November 05, 2014, 07:19:33 AM
Quote from: 500Jon on November 04, 2014, 06:38:32 AM
Hi Don,

Totally AWESOME work!!! :buff:

Now all we need to work out is a new name for your wonderful creation!
Here goes; Chargonet or Coroger, no, Ok thats rubbish. :slap:

Now you have gone this far, I would do a 500 tribute car??? :drool5:
Drop a hemi in there with a 4-speed and you will be the God of the MoparWorld!!! :2thumbs:

Thought I did alot of work on my Canadian 71-GTX, now I know it was EASY!!! :smilielol:

Thanks for the compliments 500Jon, It will have the 4speed, but I can only pray for the hemi!

Quote from: tsmithae on November 04, 2014, 10:51:00 PM
You certainly are getting you hands dirty and making sure to get rid of any bad metal!  You certainly have my resepct!  :cheers:

tsmithae, RUST=Baaaad! The sweet smell of fresh epoxy primer = GOOD!
Stay tuned  :coolgleamA:
Title: Rear seat hook fix
Post by: mopar4don on November 05, 2014, 10:11:25 PM
I noticed that my rear seat hooks were broke off the package tray support
Title: Rear seat hook fix
Post by: mopar4don on November 05, 2014, 10:13:04 PM
I checked the package tray from the 4 door Coronet that I had parted out (I throw nothing away)
and BINGO, I have them!
Title: Rear seat hook fix
Post by: mopar4don on November 05, 2014, 10:13:54 PM
So I spot drilled it out and welded it in. (sorry I didn't get a pic of it welded in)
Title: Off to the Blaster
Post by: mopar4don on November 05, 2014, 10:15:31 PM
Ok time to get the roof support off to the blaster
Title: Off to the Blaster
Post by: mopar4don on November 05, 2014, 10:17:04 PM
Sorry I didn't get any pics while at the blaster, but her you can see the parts in the paint booth just before applying epoxy primer.
Title: consolidatedstripping,com
Post by: mopar4don on November 05, 2014, 10:20:27 PM
The stripping company I went to was Consolidated Stripping & Derusting Inc. 269-685-1340
They are in Plainwell MI just north of Kalamazoo

The really great thing about them is they offer self serve blasting by the hour.

They have a different sized cabinets with the biggest at approx 6-8 feet long.
And a blast room is for the big stuff. They set you up, including getting you suited up with the air conditioned helmet.

They will let you and a buddy in the blast room at the same time. This helps to get the job done quicker!
Don the owner is very knowledgeable and is willing to help!

So all you fellow Michiganders check them out,
I highly recommend them!
http://www.consolidatedstripping.com/
Title: Parts in epoxy primer
Post by: mopar4don on November 05, 2014, 10:25:58 PM
Here is how they look after epoxy primer.
NO MORE UGLY RUST!
:woohoo: :ricky:
Title: Parts in epoxy primer
Post by: mopar4don on November 05, 2014, 10:27:14 PM
more pics....
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: Bobs69 on November 10, 2014, 07:07:49 PM
HOLY SHIT!

Definitely living my dream.  Is that a chevy truck I see in the drive way?  What's that black car................?
Title: Window support patches
Post by: mopar4don on November 10, 2014, 10:20:44 PM
I had to fix a few more areas around the rear window. Here is one of them.
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: Stevearino on November 11, 2014, 08:57:30 PM
I think this thread needs to be changed from  "Rust Belt Restoration" to "Rust Belt Scratch Built Better Than Factory." To long?  :shruggy:   More accurate though :cheers: :cheers:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on November 12, 2014, 07:25:56 AM
Quote from: Stevearino on November 11, 2014, 08:57:30 PM
I think this thread needs to be changed from  "Rust Belt Restoration" to "Rust Belt Scratch Built Better Than Factory." To long?  :shruggy:   More accurate though :cheers: :cheers:
Hey Thanks Steveo,
I kinda like your name.................... naw, to long!  :icon_smile_big:
And I hope one day it will be better than factory.
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: lexxman on November 13, 2014, 08:21:39 PM
Man I'm blown away by your build. the amount of work your doing is mind blowing.  :2thumbs:
Title: A-pillar prep
Post by: mopar4don on November 26, 2014, 08:18:18 PM
Had a couple of bad spots on the a-pillar donors so I patched them
Title: A-pillar prep
Post by: mopar4don on November 26, 2014, 08:22:50 PM
I want the sectioned a-pillar joints to be as strong as possible.
A friend at work had this idea. Thanks Ralph!

Title: A-pillar prep
Post by: mopar4don on November 26, 2014, 08:26:42 PM
So to get the pieces to extend inside I cut off a section from the a-pillar donor.
Title: A-pillar prep
Post by: mopar4don on November 26, 2014, 08:33:07 PM
Then I cut them into 3 pieces that would fit inside the pillars.
Think of it as an internal sleeve.
Title: A-pillar prep
Post by: mopar4don on November 26, 2014, 08:35:50 PM
Drilled some holes, and welded the tabs in
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: Dino on November 26, 2014, 08:36:44 PM
Awesome work!

I'm a little over an hour from Kalamazoo so thanks for the tip on the blaster!
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on November 26, 2014, 08:39:46 PM
Quote from: Dino on November 26, 2014, 08:36:44 PM
Awesome work!

I'm a little over an hour from Kalamazoo so thanks for the tip on the blaster!

Great Dino, glad to be of help.
I need to get back there myself. It seems like a never ending list of parts to blast!
Title: A-pillar prep
Post by: mopar4don on November 26, 2014, 08:44:19 PM
more pics.....
Title: A-pillar prep
Post by: mopar4don on November 26, 2014, 08:46:32 PM
This is what I use to grind down the welds to just above the surface, then I switched to a 90 and blended them in.
Title: Re: A-pillar prep
Post by: Aussiemadonmopars on November 27, 2014, 03:55:18 AM
Quote from: mopar4don on November 26, 2014, 08:22:50 PM
I want the sectioned a-pillar joints to be as strong as possible.
A friend at work had this idea. Thanks Ralph!



I'm not sure if this has been mentioned before but what about something like this:
http://tama.com.au/tama_jogglerpunch.php
Title: Re: A-pillar prep
Post by: green69rt on November 27, 2014, 08:07:43 AM
Quote from: Aussiemadonmopars on November 27, 2014, 03:55:18 AM
Quote from: mopar4don on November 26, 2014, 08:22:50 PM
I want the sectioned a-pillar joints to be as strong as possible.
A friend at work had this idea. Thanks Ralph!



I'm not sure if this has been mentioned before but what about something like this:
http://tama.com.au/tama_jogglerpunch.php

You have to real careful on how you use such a tool (experience!!)   It works fine on very flat pieces but not so well on curved surfaces.  That's because the jaws tend to flatten out the area around the hole or under the flange (depending on which side of the jaws you use.)  That creates distortion in the piece.  I used it on a fender and created considerable oil canning.  Notice the pics in the ad only show flat pieces.
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: Stevearino on November 27, 2014, 08:33:58 AM
The way Don is doing it would be the preferred method. Sleeving makes for a very strong joint. :yesnod: :yesnod:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on November 27, 2014, 09:48:17 AM
I would'nt mind having that tool for punching out holes.....
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: green69rt on November 27, 2014, 11:23:33 AM
Quote from: Stevearino on November 27, 2014, 08:33:58 AM
The way Don is doing it would be the preferred method. Sleeving makes for a very strong joint. :yesnod: :yesnod:


Very much agree. :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
Title: Attaching the a-pillars
Post by: mopar4don on December 02, 2014, 10:22:04 PM
Used some screws to temporarily hold the pillars. This helped for adjusting the alignment
Title: Attaching the a-pillars
Post by: mopar4don on December 02, 2014, 10:23:44 PM
I used this piece of oak (that was dead straight) to help alignment
Also, notice the 2x6 piece of wood. I used this to spacer the roof up above the cowl
Title: Attaching the a-pillars
Post by: mopar4don on December 02, 2014, 10:24:58 PM
Then I used this template I had made earlier to check alignment the other way
Title: Attaching the a-pillars
Post by: mopar4don on December 02, 2014, 10:26:10 PM
One I liked the alignment I tacked it in place
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: Fitz73Chrgr on December 02, 2014, 10:30:47 PM
 :popcrn: Awesome work.
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: Homerr on December 03, 2014, 02:05:20 AM
Are you able to lay the windshield in during all this for an alignment/size check?

Love watching all this unfold!
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on December 03, 2014, 07:21:47 AM
Thanks Fitz,

Quote from: Homerr on December 03, 2014, 02:05:20 AM
Are you able to lay the windshield in during all this for an alignment/size check?

Love watching all this unfold!

I did not put the windshield in the opening. But I did take measurments of the opening before, and after the fix, they are spot on!
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: lexxman on December 03, 2014, 12:47:55 PM
Great work,but I'M still blown away with the amount of work your taking on. :2thumbs:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on December 03, 2014, 12:53:29 PM
Yeah, I keep telling myself its NOT A JOB, IT IS AN ADVENTURE!  :yesnod:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: fy469rtse on December 04, 2014, 12:18:23 AM
 :popcrn: :popcrn:
keep posting don.
people are going to be amazed when this starts looking like a car again , and then all the panels fit perfectly  :o
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on December 04, 2014, 07:19:01 AM
That is my plan!
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: tan top on December 04, 2014, 07:25:07 AM
  nice  :yesnod: :2thumbs:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: Bobs69 on December 06, 2014, 10:51:49 AM
You are obviously possessed!  A greater being is controlling you!

Nice work.
Title: connecting roof structure to cowl
Post by: mopar4don on December 11, 2014, 11:43:04 PM
Ok now that I have the a-pillars tacked on it is time to join them to the front clip at the lower cowl. Remember, I had rotated the front clip out of the way so I had room to join the a-pillars. Now that I had them roughed in, I lifted and sat the front of the roof support on 4x4's (to clear the cowl) while I rotated the front clip back into position.
Next I needed to lift the entire roof support with the the back end higher than the front so I could kind of "hook" the knuckle end of the a-pillars into the opening of the upper cowl. (Hope your following me) This would be a real pain in the rear by myself, and I didn't have 3 friends to call (1 on each corner) so this is what I came up with ...............
Title: connecting roof structure to cowl
Post by: mopar4don on December 11, 2014, 11:43:50 PM
In this pic you can see how the a-pillar knuckle is hooked in.
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: RallyeMike on December 12, 2014, 01:28:25 AM
This build is insane. I salute you  :patriot:
Title: Attaching a-pillars to cowl
Post by: mopar4don on December 16, 2014, 09:29:51 PM
Now that I have the roof back on the jig. Its to time to permanatly attach the a-pillars to the cowl.
Notice that I had to peel back the upper cowl so I could get the "knuckle" of the a-pillar to seat.
After that, it was a lot of hammering, clamping and bending to get the metal where it needed to be.
Oh yeah, an a bit of welding :yesnod:
Title: Attaching a-pillars to cowl
Post by: mopar4don on December 16, 2014, 09:30:46 PM
more
Title: Attaching a-pillars to cowl
Post by: mopar4don on December 16, 2014, 09:31:49 PM
and 3 more....
Title: Attaching a-pillars to cowl
Post by: mopar4don on December 16, 2014, 09:39:12 PM
Just to show how tough the epoxy primer is, notice what looks to be scratches in the paint?
Those are from the results of all that hammering, and bending and clamping. The scratches did not go down to metal.
Its like if you scratch it it's a greyish color. And it did NOT chip!
This epoxy primer is TOUGH!
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: Pat1973charger on December 17, 2014, 09:06:52 PM
That's awesome Don! I have been watching all these resto threads and everyone is using this black epoxy primer and the parts look so nice when it applied. My question is where can I get it? Would NAPA carry it? Is it weld thru or do you have to clean it off where you weld to it? An what are you using to spray it? A regular paint gun?
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on December 17, 2014, 09:57:03 PM
Quote from: Pat1973charger on December 17, 2014, 09:06:52 PM
That's awesome Don! I have been watching all these resto threads and everyone is using this black epoxy primer and the parts look so nice when it applied. My question is where can I get it? Would NAPA carry it? Is it weld thru or do you have to clean it off where you weld to it? An what are you using to spray it? A regular paint gun?
Hi Pat.
I work at a shop that has a paint booth so our painter (a great guy, not to mention my bosses) shoots it for me with a HVLP paint gun, or sometimes he gets me setup and I shoot it.
I bought the paint at our local painters supply. Just call some local body shops and find out where they buy ther paint.
This is primer (JP377) that has a hardner (JH3770) that gets mixed into the paint. and the finished product is TOUGH!
It is NOT to be used as weld thru primer, but if you look back through my posts I did use it like a weld thru.  I left the epoxy primer on the mating surfaces, with the exception that I cleaned out the spot drill hole down to bear metal, and then plug welded it. The epoxy did not burn off.
Hope this helps
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: green69rt on December 18, 2014, 12:20:56 AM
 I have used the SHOPLINE products.  I don't know where they fall as far as quality goes but I have used them on the underside and passenger compartment. I plan to use them in the trunk and roof (under a vinyl top.)    I wonder if they are top of the line but they seem to do the job.  They work well with an amateur like me.

Oh, and I use the grey version.  Any PPG distributor.
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: 500Jon on December 18, 2014, 08:48:31 AM
Merry Christmas to the METAL MAGICIAN that is DON!!! :2thumbs:

I think there's a Guy in Canada with a 69 Charger that needs your skills TOO! :cheers:
He has approx 25% of the original car left intact, so every piece needs to be saved.

'Is it worth it', I hear you say?
Sure is, its one of 503 made LOL!!! :patriot:

Keep up the good work Don, you is da Man!!! :notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy:

DayJona
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on December 18, 2014, 12:17:47 PM
Quote from: 500Jon on December 18, 2014, 08:48:31 AM
Merry Christmas to the METAL MAGICIAN that is DON!!! :2thumbs:

I think there's a Guy in Canada with a 69 Charger that needs your skills TOO! :cheers:
He has approx 25% of the original car left intact, so every piece needs to be saved.

'Is it worth it', I hear you say?
Sure is, its one of 503 made LOL!!! :patriot:

Keep up the good work Don, you is da Man!!! :notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy:

DayJona

Thanks for the compliments DayJona,
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: jww426 on December 18, 2014, 12:38:53 PM
572 Hemi please!
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on December 18, 2014, 12:42:52 PM
Quote from: jww426 on December 18, 2014, 12:38:53 PM
572 Hemi please!
I am accepting donations as per your request  ;D
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: REED on December 18, 2014, 04:02:52 PM
This is insane.

In what world are you a beginner?

Master welder apparently.

Can't wait for more progress!
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: Bobs69 on December 25, 2014, 10:47:15 AM
Basically you've turned the car inside out knocked the rust off and are putting it back together.
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on December 25, 2014, 01:27:11 PM
Quote from: REED on December 18, 2014, 04:02:52 PM
This is insane.
In what world are you a beginner?
Master welder apparently.
Can't wait for more progress!
Thanks for the compliment REED, But yes I am a beginner. This shows by how long it takes me to get something done!
Master welder NOT! It still aggravates me when I blow through when welding!  :brickwall:

Quote from: Bobs69 on December 25, 2014, 10:47:15 AM
Basically you've turned the car inside out knocked the rust off and are putting it back together.
I guess that's one way to look at it! :yesnod:

I am still trying to get this thread up to date.... but here is a little teaser

Look what I got for Christmas
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: tan top on December 25, 2014, 04:52:21 PM
 :o charger parts !!  :coolgleamA:  :scope:  good stuff  :popcrn:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: six-tee-nine on December 26, 2014, 03:28:09 AM
Merry christmas  :cheers:
You know what to do in 2015.
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: fy469rtse on December 26, 2014, 05:47:00 AM
Good progress, good to see it coming back together Don,
Mitch, in no way are you an amateur ,
Your thread is not for the faint hearted , your car was taken apart to almost this level  :o
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: Bobs69 on December 26, 2014, 10:54:15 AM
very nice I'll be curious to see how all these parts go together and line up for you
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: Pat1973charger on December 26, 2014, 11:46:39 AM
Thanks for the replies about the primer, I'll have to look into it when I get back to Work next week. I have a HVLP gun and lots of air pressure / volume in my garage. Painted a couple of cars in there. I am one of those Canadian guys with less then 25% of a 69 charger, rear roof structure and upper rad support is all I can save as far as body pieces. I can't wait till the day I can get some quarters haha!! Merry Christmas all!
Title: A-pillars are finally DONE!
Post by: mopar4don on December 28, 2014, 09:22:00 PM
Quote from: six-tee-nine on December 26, 2014, 03:28:09 AM
Merry christmas  :cheers:
You know what to do in 2015.
I hope to have the suspension in and rolling in 2015!  :scratchchin:

Quote from: Bobs69 on December 26, 2014, 10:54:15 AM
very nice I'll be curious to see how all these parts go together and line up for you
You and me both! :yesnod:

Thanks guys. Back to the updates....

I had to patch the drivers side
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: green69rt on December 28, 2014, 09:31:45 PM
Oh, just another suggestion.  When you get ready to put the upper cowl back on, I put the windshield wiper pivots back it the holes to act as a guide.  It helps but you still need to check other measurements.
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on December 28, 2014, 09:36:53 PM
Quote from: green69rt on December 28, 2014, 09:31:45 PM
Oh, just another suggestion.  When you get ready to put the upper cowl back on, I put the windshield wiper pivots back it the holes to act as a guide.  It helps but you still need to check other measurements.
Hi Mitch, and thanks for the tip, I will remember that when I get to that point!
Title: A-pillars are finally DONE!
Post by: mopar4don on December 28, 2014, 09:38:43 PM
I had a LOT of trouble getting these seams to blend out using disk grinders. In fact I got in trouble using them! :icon_smile_blackeye:
Because the a-pillar has a double curve I accidental put a big flat spot in it!  :brickwall:
To fix the problem, I used my welder and "added" metal back, then used a file to finish it down. The problem is it takes a LONG LONG time to file down welds, and get it good!
But that's what I did and this is what how it looks. (NO FILLER by the way)
I am really proud of these a-pillars! I even have a hard time finding where the seam is.
Up to this point. This was THE hardest and most time consuming part of the resto!
Title: A-pillars are finally DONE!
Post by: mopar4don on December 28, 2014, 09:42:18 PM
I used a sharpie as a guide coat. (I really need to remember to get the real stuff)

Title: A-pillars are finally DONE!
Post by: mopar4don on December 28, 2014, 09:47:37 PM
So here there are all finished, with a little self etching primer applied.

Wow I am tired just remembering all of the work put into those!
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: fy469rtse on December 28, 2014, 10:35:45 PM
 : :popcrn: :popcrn: excellent work ,Don
When this car is finished , no one will believe you pulled it apart so far, even with photos ,
Either that or we will be seeing you during visiting hours at the sanitarium , I will bring flowers  :lol:
It's going to be stronger because of all the extra welding and won't rust because of all the coating where the factory never did
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on December 28, 2014, 10:45:28 PM
Quote from: fy469rtse on December 28, 2014, 10:35:45 PM
: :popcrn: :popcrn: excellent work ,Don
When this car is finished , no one will believe you pulled it apart so far, even with photos ,
Either that or we will be seeing you during visiting hours at the sanitarium , I will bring flowers  :lol:
It's going to be stronger because of all the extra welding and won't rust because of all the coating where the factory never did

Thanks fy469rtse
Sanitarium..... good one!
Yeah, I'll be the one in the corner that drools :drool5:
and I'll be tearing apart everyones toy cars and rebuilding them! (cause you know everyone gets a toy car when they go to the sanitarium!) lol
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: fy469rtse on December 29, 2014, 04:37:48 AM
Time to clamp front wiper panel in place , sorry can't think of the name of it , blond moment,!
And test your windscreen fits
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: six-tee-nine on December 29, 2014, 06:35:47 AM
Cowl panel  :slap:  :cheers:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on December 29, 2014, 07:19:54 AM
Quote from: fy469rtse on December 29, 2014, 04:37:48 AM
Time to clamp front wiper panel in place , sorry can't think of the name of it , blond moment,!
And test your windscreen fits
Quote from: six-tee-nine on December 29, 2014, 06:35:47 AM
Cowl panel  :slap:  :cheers:

Good idea guys. Thank you
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: fy469rtse on December 29, 2014, 06:54:52 PM
Thanks
Got it cowl panel, you would think that I would know every panel off by heart ,
Replaced enough  :brickwall:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: hemi-hampton on December 29, 2014, 07:20:19 PM
Nice job, I hope your keeping track of yours hours so you can add them up when your done. Will it be 5,000 hours or 10,000 hours :scratchchin:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: six-tee-nine on December 30, 2014, 04:11:34 AM
Well thats the joy of doing the job yourself : 1 hour costs $ 00.0

I would not even dare to count my hours already and I'm not even in the paint stage.
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: Stevearino on December 30, 2014, 06:46:54 PM
I find it satisfying to count the hours when you are doing a job as extensive as Don is doing here because you realize the value of your skill. At the end you will have something that only very rich people who can afford to pay top shops at $100.00 plus per hour can have. And it is all due to your skills. Don I like that you spent all of that time filing the bottom side of the "A" pillars where it will never be seen. That is the best example of a top craftsman's motto " Do every job as if it would be seen." :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: tan top on December 30, 2014, 06:58:12 PM
 nice work  :2thumbs: :coolgleamA: :popcrn:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: six-tee-nine on December 31, 2014, 03:33:51 AM
Quote from: Stevearino on December 30, 2014, 06:46:54 PM
I find it satisfying to count the hours when you are doing a job as extensive as Don is doing here because you realize the value of your skill. At the end you will have something that only very rich people who can afford to pay top shops at $100.00 plus per hour can have. And it is all due to your skills. Don I like that you spent all of that time filing the bottom side of the "A" pillars where it will never be seen. That is the best example of a top craftsman's motto " Do every job as if it would be seen." :2thumbs: :2thumbs:


I like that idea, makes me think my skills are valuable. Everyone Always says you need to buy a car already restored because of the money you dump into it. But if you want to buy a car lfully restored the right way, like Don is doing, you need to have deep pockets wich I dont.
In the end I'll lose money in my car, I know, but thanks to our skills we can own that rich mans toy without being rich, So guys in this time of peace kudos to our skills, happy 2015!
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on January 01, 2015, 11:19:02 PM
Quote from: Stevearino on December 30, 2014, 06:46:54 PM
I find it satisfying to count the hours when you are doing a job as extensive as Don is doing here because you realize the value of your skill. At the end you will have something that only very rich people who can afford to pay top shops at $100.00 plus per hour can have. And it is all due to your skills. Don I like that you spent all of that time filing the bottom side of the "A" pillars where it will never be seen. That is the best example of a top craftsman's motto " Do every job as if it would be seen." :2thumbs: :2thumbs:

Stevearino,
Thank you, I am truly humbled by your kind remarks!

Quote from: six-tee-nine on December 31, 2014, 03:33:51 AM
I like that idea, makes me think my skills are valuable. Everyone Always says you need to buy a car already restored because of the money you dump into it. But if you want to buy a car lfully restored the right way, like Don is doing, you need to have deep pockets wich I dont.
In the end I'll lose money in my car, I know, but thanks to our skills we can own that rich mans toy without being rich, So guys in this time of peace kudos to our skills, happy 2015!

six-tee-nine,
I don't have deep pockets either, but I try to do everything the right way. But I am still learning.
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: bricklayer on January 03, 2015, 08:45:30 PM
I read your first post in this thread
You said you have never restored a car before?
I call BS......
You my mopar brother are every bit of a PROFESSIONAL
Very nice work.
PS do you live anywhere close to me I need help like that
:popcrn: :cheers:
Tom
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on January 05, 2015, 07:25:10 PM
Quote from: bricklayer on January 03, 2015, 08:45:30 PM
I read your first post in this thread
You said you have never restored a car before?
I call BS......
You my mopar brother are every bit of a PROFESSIONAL
Very nice work.
PS do you live anywhere close to me I need help like that
:popcrn: :cheers:
Tom
Thanks bricklayer.....
Title: Parts
Post by: mopar4don on January 05, 2015, 07:26:42 PM
Found a few more parts over the last few months  :yesnod:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: Cncguy on January 06, 2015, 01:32:05 PM
Looking good! Something about the Dutchman panel looks a bit tweaked. Could be the photo though.
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on January 06, 2015, 01:34:52 PM
Your right, it does look that way. But it must be the lighting.  :scratchchin:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: tsmithae on January 06, 2015, 04:49:29 PM
Looking forward to more progress!  Be prepared to cut up the new dutchman panel and be sure to test fit your trim corners.   :Two cents:

:popcrn:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: fy469rtse on January 06, 2015, 11:56:32 PM
X2 Don , just check Dutchman panel is exactely the same width as old one , usually not,
And time to takel out stainless rear window moulds,
Make the cnrs fit these , not the other way around
Title: crossmember and wheel house mockups
Post by: mopar4don on January 07, 2015, 09:39:52 PM
Thanks tsmithae and fy469rtse, I will remember to do this.

Had to patch a couple of spots on the rear frame rails
Title: crossmember and wheel house mockups
Post by: mopar4don on January 07, 2015, 09:42:36 PM
then I mocked up the rear crosmember
Title: crossmember and wheel house mockups
Post by: mopar4don on January 07, 2015, 09:45:20 PM
I also mocked up the wheel houses and inner rocker.
Kinda looks like a car  :yesnod:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: tsmithae on January 07, 2015, 10:47:14 PM
That is starting to look like a car!  :2thumbs:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: green69rt on January 08, 2015, 12:24:36 AM
Well, if you have a big imagination!!! 

Well done!!!
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: fy469rtse on January 08, 2015, 03:18:03 AM
You must have a big imagination Mitch, yours wasn't far off this one
Looking good Don,
Turning point , looking like a cars unibody again,
The worst is behind you , keep going , all new metal from this point ,
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: Stevearino on January 08, 2015, 06:07:51 AM
The rest is going to feel like a cake walk Don. :cheers:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: oldgold69 on January 08, 2015, 05:55:14 PM
don when you put that cross member  in can you take photos of how the  frame rails attach to it  and what is suppose to attach to the end of it  [trunk floor extensions ? ]  that is the part I have to put in next in spring when my garage gets above zero  I have to put in trunk floor extensions too     thank you
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on January 08, 2015, 10:28:52 PM
Quote from: oldgold69 on January 08, 2015, 05:55:14 PM
don when you put that cross member  in can you take photos of how the  frame rails attach to it  and what is suppose to attach to the end of it  [trunk floor extensions ? ]  that is the part I have to put in next in spring when my garage gets above zero  I have to put in trunk floor extensions too     thank you

Hi oldgold69,
I am no expert but here is how I did it. (if I did this wrong please correct me)
The crossmember has a lip on the bottom side, that lip will go up against the bottom of the frame rail. Also the oblong holes should line up.
Here are some pics from the front side... hope they help

I believe that the rear valance corners will some how attach to the ends of the cross member but I am not that far yet. Maybe someone else can answer this question?
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: green69rt on January 09, 2015, 10:12:15 AM
IIRC (according to CDR) the valance corners attach to the quarters first then the ends of the cross member are bent to line up with the valance corner flange.  :shruggy:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: oldgold69 on January 09, 2015, 12:27:35 PM
thank you for the photos they are what I am looking for  I am worried  I will not have it centered  I bought the Sherman made part back before adm  made the part    is there a difference between the two manufacturers  wasn't there something like the gas tank strap mount hole  you had to add the old brace behind it on the Sherman  I know I saved them for some reason
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: tsmithae on January 09, 2015, 12:28:20 PM
The trunk extensions attach to the end of the rear crossmember.  Make sure that you test fit your quarter and reflectors/side markers first!  My extensions had t be massaged with a precision instrument know as the BFH to get them to sit flat and clear the side markers.  I hadn't yet started the massaging process or welded them yet in this pic but it gives you an idea.  

(http://i812.photobucket.com/albums/zz45/TSmithae/70%20Charger/20130920_231355_zpsad6bda25.jpg) (http://s812.photobucket.com/user/TSmithae/media/70%20Charger/20130920_231355_zpsad6bda25.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: oldgold69 on January 09, 2015, 08:05:19 PM
thank you gentle men for the photos I took that part off years ago and I forgot how it went back together it was nothing but rust when I took it apart came out in pieces  I didnt have to drill the spot weld out just grind it flush to the frame rail  there was no coating on that part
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: 500Jon on January 12, 2015, 11:29:26 AM
Hi Don,

I've done a few of them suckers and they are a nightmare!
Then you've got the corner caps!!!

I've found another Charger that needs some TLC too!

Don't leave your Charger in a POND!!! :slap:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: oldgold69 on January 12, 2015, 05:25:57 PM
500 jon         quick put 01 and a flag on it and say it was a jump car from the dukes movie worth a least a hundred grand  :nana:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on February 12, 2015, 09:56:36 PM
WOW it's been a month since I posted.
Let me get you up to date

Got the rear window corners welded in.
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on February 12, 2015, 09:58:04 PM
Got the rear crossmember welded in...
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on February 12, 2015, 10:01:03 PM
Did some digging through my pile of sheet metal parts to find the different brackets and small parts to get ready for the blaster.
First I found the bucket seat brackets on the old floor pan
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on February 12, 2015, 10:03:13 PM
I made some notes on how they align
(hole in the bracket aligns to the hole in the floor pan)
and compared them to my floor pan
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on February 12, 2015, 10:05:05 PM
NOTICE that this floor pan does not have holes for the bucket seat brackets!
Makes sense cause this floor pan came out of a 4 door coronet (bench seat)
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on February 12, 2015, 10:08:22 PM
But notice the dimples in the floor pan.
They match perfectly to the holes in the brackets, so when its time those dimples will get drilled out.
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on February 12, 2015, 10:09:32 PM
Found the e-brake bracket.....
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on February 12, 2015, 10:10:13 PM
and one of the gas tank brackets,
the other gas tank bracket should be where the hole is in the pic....
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on February 12, 2015, 10:12:06 PM
FOUND IT!
it was mounted directly beneath the spare tire bracket


more to come..............
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: Pat1973charger on February 13, 2015, 12:00:31 AM
 :popcrn: we like progress pics!
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: fy469rtse on February 13, 2015, 12:29:10 AM
 :2thumbs:keep going don ,
Title: Grill Support
Post by: mopar4don on February 16, 2015, 10:37:18 PM
Next thing on the list is the grill support.
Title: Grill Support
Post by: mopar4don on February 16, 2015, 10:38:34 PM
The headlight buckets need some attention.
Notice the the ends have broken studs, and one of them is twisted
Title: Grill Support
Post by: mopar4don on February 16, 2015, 10:40:34 PM
I untwisted the tab as best I could, and got it kinda close. :-\
Title: Grill Support
Post by: mopar4don on February 16, 2015, 10:42:01 PM
I have another grill support. So I used it and formed some new metal over the same tab.
Basically I made a template and used this template to bend the tab to the correct orientation.
Then I welded the edges to stiffen it up
Title: Grill Support
Post by: mopar4don on February 16, 2015, 10:43:32 PM
Sorry, apparently I didn't get any more pics,
But here it is finished
Title: Grill Support
Post by: mopar4don on February 16, 2015, 10:44:12 PM
Here is my other grill support, it has problems also! But as long as I'm at it, I might as well fix it to!
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: moparnation74 on February 16, 2015, 10:45:21 PM
Great work! :2thumbs:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: green69rt on February 16, 2015, 11:44:59 PM
I missed some posts on the floor, so forgot to mention that there is a small bracket that welds to the underside of the floor that holds the speedo cable off of the exhaust pipes.  They are usually missing but a good thing to have.  Can't find a picture right now.  Maybe someone else can show it....
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: fy469rtse on February 17, 2015, 04:53:55 AM
Don ? Your not going to fix every part are you?
While your at it , put some decent welds on that support , it's one of the reasons our grills suffer and sag,
Flimsy spot welds
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on February 17, 2015, 07:23:29 AM
Quote from: fy469rtse on February 17, 2015, 04:53:55 AM
Don ? Your not going to fix every part are you?
While your at it , put some decent welds on that support , it's one of the reasons our grills suffer and sag,
Flimsy spot welds
fy469, It sure seems like it! (come to think of it, I have pretty much have fixed or tore apart every inch of this car  :hack: :smash:)
And I have been strengthening it as I go.
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: fy469rtse on February 18, 2015, 12:20:32 AM
great , good to know your looking at everything as you go ,
old cars and not everything was good to start with ,
looking forward to seeing this car get dressed finally , must be cold down to the bare bones all this time :popcrn:
keep posting don , its been an education in perseverance and the inner anatomy of these cars  :2thumbs:
Title: 2nd grill support
Post by: mopar4don on February 18, 2015, 10:12:14 PM
Ok so I figured I may as well fix this 2nd grill support.
Title: 2nd grill support
Post by: mopar4don on February 18, 2015, 10:13:29 PM
The head light buckets have the same issues with the tabs... NO they are worse, they're rusted away.
Title: 2nd grill support
Post by: mopar4don on February 18, 2015, 10:14:38 PM
So I used the first bucket (media blasted grey) for a template and bent some metal around it
Title: 2nd grill support
Post by: mopar4don on February 18, 2015, 10:16:35 PM
I had to put a relief cut in cause it need to bend in two different directions
Title: 2nd grill support
Post by: mopar4don on February 18, 2015, 10:18:00 PM
did some trimming and bending and hammering,
Title: 2nd grill support
Post by: mopar4don on February 18, 2015, 10:19:29 PM
Then welded it up
Title: 2nd grill support
Post by: mopar4don on February 18, 2015, 10:21:04 PM
Some final trimming and grinding and blending.......
Not to bad
Title: Re: Grill Support
Post by: green69rt on February 19, 2015, 12:08:16 AM
Quote from: mopar4don on February 16, 2015, 10:43:32 PM
Sorry, apparently I didn't get any more pics,
But here it is finished

Are they supposed to look all twisty like that??  I have to fix mine and am wondering how they are supposed to look. :shruggy:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: fy469rtse on February 19, 2015, 01:27:03 AM
i was just thinking that Mitch,
Don , line it up on whats left of front, these go to headlight bucket area , but i think there twisted , going from memory :Twocents:
Geoff
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: six-tee-nine on February 19, 2015, 06:06:09 AM
That might be very well the case....

My support looks pretty much the same as this one. I always wondered if they were bent like that or mine got banged up. Altough my grille was not all that badly smashed up when I took the car apart.
And the bends are almost identical left and right on mine.

I agree on a final testfit before paint to make sure no extra bending is needed, but I'm sure Don wont skip that part.
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on February 19, 2015, 07:24:30 AM
Guys, the mounting tabs are not all nice and square. If you look at the tabs it should be obvious that they are messed up or not.
This is because the tabs themselves have a short lip that is bent at 90 degrees. This added lip gives the tab strength.
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: 70-500-SE-EXPORT on February 20, 2015, 08:53:48 AM
Very nice repair.  :2thumbs: Your tabs are still twisted though. They are supposed to be vertical.
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on February 20, 2015, 10:48:44 AM
Can you show me a picture of what they should look like?
Title: my latest "SCORE"
Post by: mopar4don on March 14, 2015, 08:06:02 PM
Thought I would share my latest "SCORE"
The steering wheel is in better shape than my original that has the famous 12 o'clock crack! (how else do you describe it?) :shruggy:
This one has some minor cracks on the back side. But should be much easier to fix, or maybe I wont fix it right away!
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: stripedelete on March 14, 2015, 10:59:36 PM
Every grille frame I have has at least one missing or badly mangled mounting tab.
There's probably a market for trim-to-fit replacement mounting tabs for the grille frame.   
Id rather buy one with the correct angle/shape, trim it, and weld it on, rather than fabricate, weld, and get it wrong.

I enjoy the heck out this thread Don.
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on March 15, 2015, 01:50:21 PM
Quote from: stripedelete on March 14, 2015, 10:59:36 PM
Every grille frame I have has at least one missing or badly mangled mounting tab.
There's probably a market for trim-to-fit replacement mounting tabs for the grille frame.   
Id rather buy one with the correct angle/shape, trim it, and weld it on, rather than fabricate, weld, and get it wrong.

I enjoy the heck out this thread Don.
Thanks stripedelete,
I don't wanna get it wrong either, but I figure if I duplicate what I have, (all twisted) then all I have to do is bend the tabs back, were they need to go. This metal is like .030 thick so it's not real strong.

Like Zig Ziglar said "If you aim at nothing, you will hit it every time."

stripdelete, I mean no disrespect to your comments, but for me, and the mountain that is ahead of me (with this car) and because I don't have unlimited resources, I have to learn how to fix things! And yeah, I might mess it up, and yes it takes me a while, but I won't quit, I'll learn and move on and try it again. For me it's a challenge! And I really love doing it! And I have to admit, I did consider finding some good brackets. but like you said they are not readily available... and after being encouraged to fix what I have, I went ahead and did it. And you know, it really wasn't all that bad.
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: stripedelete on March 15, 2015, 03:02:10 PM
Quote from: mopar4don on March 15, 2015, 01:50:21 PM
Quote from: stripedelete on March 14, 2015, 10:59:36 PM
Every grille frame I have has at least one missing or badly mangled mounting tab.
There's probably a market for trim-to-fit replacement mounting tabs for the grille frame.  
Id rather buy one with the correct angle/shape, trim it, and weld it on, rather than fabricate, weld, and get it wrong.

I enjoy the heck out this thread Don.
Thanks stripedelete,
I don't wanna get it wrong either, but I figure if I duplicate what I have, (all twisted) then all I have to do is bend the tabs back, were they need to go. This metal is like .030 thick so it's not real strong.

Like Zig Ziglar said "If you aim at nothing, you will hit it every time."

stripdelete, I mean no disrespect to your comments, but for me, and the mountain that is ahead of me (with this car) and because I don't have unlimited resources, I have to learn how to fix things! And yeah, I might mess it up, and yes it takes me a while, but I won't quit, I'll learn and move on and try it again. For me it's a challenge! And I really love doing it! And I have to admit, I did consider finding some good brackets. but like you said they are not readily available... and after being encouraged to fix what I have, I went ahead and did it. And you know, it really wasn't all that bad.


I think you misunderstood the comment.  By "market" I meant a guy like you selling them to a guy like me. ;)  
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on March 15, 2015, 03:19:09 PM
Quote from: stripedelete on March 15, 2015, 03:02:10 PM
Quote from: mopar4don on March 15, 2015, 01:50:21 PM
Quote from: stripedelete on March 14, 2015, 10:59:36 PM
Every grille frame I have has at least one missing or badly mangled mounting tab.
There's probably a market for trim-to-fit replacement mounting tabs for the grille frame.   
Id rather buy one with the correct angle/shape, trim it, and weld it on, rather than fabricate, weld, and get it wrong.

I enjoy the heck out this thread Don.
Thanks stripedelete,
I don't wanna get it wrong either, but I figure if I duplicate what I have, (all twisted) then all I have to do is bend the tabs back, were they need to go. This metal is like .030 thick so it's not real strong.

Like Zig Ziglar said "If you aim at nothing, you will hit it every time."

stripdelete, I mean no disrespect to your comments, but for me, and the mountain that is ahead of me (with this car) and because I don't have unlimited resources, I have to learn how to fix things! And yeah, I might mess it up, and yes it takes me a while, but I won't quit, I'll learn and move on and try it again. For me it's a challenge! And I really love doing it! And I have to admit, I did consider finding some good brackets. but like you said they are not readily available... and after being encouraged to fix what I have, I went ahead and did it. And you know, it really wasn't all that bad.


I think you misunderstood the comment.  By "market" I meant a guy like you selling them to a guy like me. ;)   

Were good.  :2thumbs:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: Pat1973charger on March 15, 2015, 03:26:46 PM
Being the metal magician you are Don, I don't blame you for fabbing what you can. Haven't had chance to work at the RT, crappy weather plus I took on a big repair job on my cousins mazda tribute. New rockers, rear wheel houses, wheel bearings, exhaust and brakes. She's paying me well so I don't mind, more $$ for the RT. Scored a southern right rear inner and outer wheel house for $120 shipped to my door so that was pretty cool. Keep at it Don! Love this thread :cheers:
Title: Rocker support brackets
Post by: mopar4don on March 18, 2015, 07:54:12 PM
Got the outer rocker support brackets welded in.
Here's the front support
Title: Rocker support brackets
Post by: mopar4don on March 18, 2015, 07:55:49 PM
The rear support bracket was a LOT harder!

To get the placement correct, it has to align to the rear pass window support / lock pillar assembly
You can see the rear rocker support bracket next to the wood 2x2 in the pic. It has the copper weld thru primer applied.
Title: Rocker support brackets
Post by: mopar4don on March 18, 2015, 07:57:00 PM
This is really tricky as the bracket is sandwiched between the inner and outer rocker, and it has to align to the edge of the lock pillar.
SO EVERYTHING got mocked up, the inner and outer rockers and wheel tubs.
Title: Rocker support brackets
Post by: mopar4don on March 18, 2015, 07:58:53 PM
I even threw the door on to be sure the lock pillar and rockers looked ok and were aligned properly.
Title: Rocker support brackets
Post by: mopar4don on March 18, 2015, 08:01:29 PM
When I got the position marked I welded it to the rocker.
WOW what a pain!
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: Stevearino on March 18, 2015, 08:03:44 PM
Gettin' with the brandy new metal. Getting a little bit excited now. :popcrn: :popcrn: :popcrn: :popcrn:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: tan top on March 18, 2015, 08:06:55 PM
 :2thumbs:  good stuff  :yesnod: :popcrn:
Title: Seam sealer between the cowl question
Post by: mopar4don on March 23, 2015, 09:36:00 PM
Going back through my pics I found a couple to share
Here are 2 of the 4 cowls that I have (getting ready for the blaster)
I found this stamping on the underside of one of the cowls and thought it was kinda interesting
Title: Seam sealer between the cowl question
Post by: mopar4don on March 23, 2015, 09:39:33 PM
Here is a picture that shows all of the seam sealer they put on.
This raises a question.
When I go to attach the cowl back on, and I apply seam sealer between the panels (like the factory did) will this work? Seems to me that when I plug weld, it would burn off the seam sealer between the panels.
So what is the best way to do this?
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: fy469rtse on March 24, 2015, 12:49:04 AM
Don
i put my hands up through fresh air pots to lower cowl to touch up sealer the best i could ,
applied it by hand, great work by the way,
its coming along now  :2thumbs:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: Cncguy on March 24, 2015, 04:31:07 AM
Must be the steel manufacturers mark.
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: six-tee-nine on March 24, 2015, 06:45:30 AM
Don,

Yes you are right.
I put small amounts of seam sealer as far back as I could and I drilled my holes for rewelding as far forward towards the lip on the firewall as I could. It still kinda squeezed trough towards the holes I had drilled for butt welding the panel again.
I cleaned off as good as I could before I started welding. I went real slow and cooled as good as I could with the air gun close by.
Not much else you can do. Maybe I'll check on it later on like FY496RTSE did.

Just a tip : paint the bottom of the cowl before putting the top back on. Makes it so much nicer later on when you look trough the louvres.
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: Cncguy on March 24, 2015, 07:01:41 AM
Hey Don, How come you didn't use the rockers from the coronet?
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: green69rt on March 24, 2015, 07:19:54 AM
Look at page 5 a little more than half way down to see how i sealed mine.  I tested it with a garden sprayer.

http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,54582.100.html
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on March 24, 2015, 08:17:49 AM
Quote from: fy469rtse on March 24, 2015, 12:49:04 AM
Don
i put my hands up through fresh air pots to lower cowl to touch up sealer the best i could ,
applied it by hand, great work by the way,
its coming along now  :2thumbs:
Thanks fy469

Quote from: Cncguy on March 24, 2015, 04:31:07 AM
Must be the steel manufacturers mark.
Yeah I just thought it was kinda cool.

Quote from: six-tee-nine on March 24, 2015, 06:45:30 AM
Don,

Yes you are right.
I put small amounts of seam sealer as far back as I could and I drilled my holes for rewelding as far forward towards the lip on the firewall as I could. It still kinda squeezed trough towards the holes I had drilled for butt welding the panel again.
I cleaned off as good as I could before I started welding. I went real slow and cooled as good as I could with the air gun close by.
Not much else you can do. Maybe I'll check on it later on like FY496RTSE did.

Just a tip : paint the bottom of the cowl before putting the top back on. Makes it so much nicer later on when you look trough the louvres.
Thanks six-tee-nine, I honestly did'nt know what guys were doing about this so that's why I asked. The members here are good about helping each other and for that I thank you.


Quote from: Cncguy on March 24, 2015, 07:01:41 AM
Hey Don, How come you didn't use the rockers from the coronet?
The coronet rockers were a bit different on the ends, not to mention where the b-pillar joins at the rocker.
I will try and get a couple of pics for you.

Quote from: green69rt on March 24, 2015, 07:19:54 AM
Look at page 5 a little more than half way down to see how i sealed mine.  I tested it with a garden sprayer.

http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,54582.100.html
Thanks green69rt, I reference your build from time to time, but honestly there are so many that I reference, it's hard to remember who did this.
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: six-tee-nine on March 24, 2015, 02:01:45 PM
Quote from: green69rt on March 24, 2015, 07:19:54 AM
Look at page 5 a little more than half way down to see how i sealed mine.  I tested it with a garden sprayer.

http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,54582.100.html

Thats kinda how it went with mine also. The sealer getting on fire is a bit overrated. It does start to smoke a little but when you plug weld a little at a time and cool down, do some other area and work your way around randomly to let the panels absorb te heat it works just fine.

On a side note, I did use lead to fill the seam at the bottom of the A pillar
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: Indygenerallee on March 25, 2015, 09:23:31 AM
Looking Good Don!  :cheers:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on March 25, 2015, 11:01:07 AM
Quote from: Indygenerallee on March 25, 2015, 09:23:31 AM
Looking Good Don!  :cheers:
Thanks Indy,
So how is your build coming along? Do you have a resto thread?
I was able to use the tail panel I got from you, (with a little fixing)
Stay tuned for that update!
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: Indygenerallee on March 25, 2015, 11:21:29 AM
It's coming along not as fast as I would like but it's been pretty cold to work in a garage without any heat this past winter. Once spring gets here I will hit it a bit harder! Yes I have a thread over in the Aero section (it's buried lol)
Good to hear you could use the tail panel!
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: Steve P. on March 25, 2015, 03:28:59 PM
WOW!!!  I am completely impressed with all of your work. I lost track of this restoration a while back and just went through the entire thing again. What a thread this is.. So many things I see that I never paid any attention to before and HOLY CRAP are there a lot of parts to building this body!!

Don, you are certainly going to be a pro long before you are done. As I see it, you are well on your way!!  :2thumbs:

I am really looking forward to the next pics and posts on your progress. Thank you for sharing and taking the time to chronicle this entire repair and rebuild. My hat is certainly off to you...  :2thumbs:

Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: Dino on March 25, 2015, 03:31:51 PM
 :iagree:

What he said!   :2thumbs:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: Homerr on March 25, 2015, 03:53:34 PM
More awesome work Don!

Found your next project for you:
http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/csw/cto/4947486569.html
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on March 26, 2015, 03:19:08 PM
Quote from: Steve P. on March 25, 2015, 03:28:59 PM
WOW!!!  I am completely impressed with all of your work. I lost track of this restoration a while back and just went through the entire thing again. What a thread this is.. So many things I see that I never paid any attention to before and HOLY CRAP are there a lot of parts to building this body!!

Don, you are certainly going to be a pro long before you are done. As I see it, you are well on your way!!  :2thumbs:

I am really looking forward to the next pics and posts on your progress. Thank you for sharing and taking the time to chronicle this entire repair and rebuild. My hat is certainly off to you...  :2thumbs:
Believe me, I am not a pro. Far from it. I'm just a guy who is learning as I go! :yesnod:


Quote from: Dino on March 25, 2015, 03:31:51 PM
:iagree:
What he said!   :2thumbs:
Thanks Dino  :coolgleamA:

Quote from: Homerr on March 25, 2015, 03:53:34 PM
More awesome work Don!

Found your next project for you:
http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/csw/cto/4947486569.html

Hi Homerr,
mmmmmmmmm  :scratchchin:
I think I will pass :eek2:
I like the quote in the ad "Front suspension and rails are awesome"
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: fy469rtse on March 26, 2015, 04:59:21 PM
Don,
your more than welcome , been watching this from the start , and like Mitch , you didnt loose the faith when car was a lot worse than first thought
most would have given up,  :2thumbs:
your hard work is starting to pay off , car will be better than new
Title: Full Quarter 1st fitment
Post by: mopar4don on March 26, 2015, 09:01:40 PM
Those quarters I bought back at Christmas time.....
here they are being test fit on the thing that might someday be a car!
Title: Full Quarter 1st fitment
Post by: mopar4don on March 26, 2015, 09:03:29 PM
I am pleased with the fit
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: cdr on March 26, 2015, 10:25:47 PM
 :o    :2thumbs:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: Ghoste on March 27, 2015, 05:20:57 AM
That has to be a pleasing sight Don.  :cheers:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: Cncguy on March 27, 2015, 05:52:11 AM
Don, this is the first thread I look for when logging into dodgecharger.com. I'm so looking forward to updates. Keep up the great work! :popcrn:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on March 27, 2015, 06:27:40 PM
Quote from: mopar4don on March 24, 2015, 08:17:49 AM

Quote from: Cncguy on March 24, 2015, 07:01:41 AM
Hey Don, How come you didn't use the rockers from the coronet?
The coronet rockers were a bit different on the ends, not to mention where the b-pillar joins at the rocker.
I will try and get a couple of pics for you.

Here are those pics I promised
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on March 27, 2015, 06:28:34 PM
couple more
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: Cncguy on March 30, 2015, 10:50:32 AM
Thanks Don for the look at those Rockers. I think I'll just cut patches out of mine.
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: freddyd02 on March 30, 2015, 01:53:26 PM
Awesome build! So glad i stumbled upon this one  :popcrn: :popcrn:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on March 30, 2015, 09:10:00 PM
Here are a few pics of some misc parts in the booth getting some epoxy applied.
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: fy469rtse on March 31, 2015, 01:30:16 AM
better than new ,
any one for a thousand piece jigsaw puzzle, with no lid picture as a guide , Don's your man  :2thumbs:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on April 06, 2015, 07:28:33 PM
Quote from: fy469rtse on March 31, 2015, 01:30:16 AM
better than new ,
any one for a thousand piece jigsaw puzzle, with no lid picture as a guide , Don's your man  :2thumbs:

Kinda like this?
Title: Tail panel fix
Post by: mopar4don on April 06, 2015, 07:39:07 PM
On to the next fix, the tail panel.
My original was really bad but I picked this one up this past fall. I really thought this would be good. Until I blasted it!
Before blasting
Title: Tail panel fix
Post by: mopar4don on April 06, 2015, 07:41:56 PM
After blasting
Title: Tail panel fix
Post by: mopar4don on April 06, 2015, 07:43:45 PM
It had some issues... but luckily I had a few extra pieces that I could get some patches from.
This is the original tail panel that I used to patch the RT side.
Title: Tail panel fix
Post by: mopar4don on April 06, 2015, 07:45:37 PM
Here is the right side patch and how I fixed it.
Title: Tail panel fix
Post by: mopar4don on April 06, 2015, 07:46:36 PM
I really like to get my patches to fit with no gaps if possible. (I get less blow through when welding a tight patch)
Title: Tail panel fix
Post by: mopar4don on April 06, 2015, 07:47:32 PM
This pic shows good weld penetration from the back side.
Title: Tail panel fix
Post by: mopar4don on April 06, 2015, 07:48:25 PM
I didn't get a fully completed pic, but these last two show it real close to being done.
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: Stevearino on April 06, 2015, 07:59:33 PM
Based on what you have repaired up til now you will be able to patch that tail light panel with your eyes closed and one hand tied behind your back. :2thumbs:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on April 06, 2015, 08:14:39 PM
Quote from: Stevearino on April 06, 2015, 07:59:33 PM
Based on what you have repaired up til now you will be able to patch that tail light panel with your eyes closed and one hand tied behind your back. :2thumbs:
Thanks Stevo, But I need all my senses when dealing with this car!
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: keepat on April 06, 2015, 08:45:40 PM
Great work! Nice job salvaging that tail panel with parts from the original panel!
Pat
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: fy469rtse on April 07, 2015, 02:01:04 AM
Don , hate to add to your work ,
but trial fit your tail lights, even the factory was off , and on some cars you could see the lights were uneven, its the buckets ,
repop panels even worse than the originals , hopefully all good 
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on April 15, 2015, 06:51:27 PM
Quote from: keepat on April 06, 2015, 08:45:40 PM
Great work! Nice job salvaging that tail panel with parts from the original panel!
Pat
Thank you Pat. Trying to save money you know.

Quote from: fy469rtse on April 07, 2015, 02:01:04 AM
Don , hate to add to your work ,
but trial fit your tail lights, even the factory was off , and on some cars you could see the lights were uneven, its the buckets ,
repop panels even worse than the originals , hopefully all good 
fy469rtse, that is a good point, I hadnt thought of.
Title: Tail panel fix
Post by: mopar4don on April 15, 2015, 06:55:04 PM
The left side required some help.
You can see how its a bit out of shape compared to the patch (in front)
Title: Tail panel fix
Post by: mopar4don on April 15, 2015, 06:56:57 PM
more showing metal out of shape
Title: Tail panel fix
Post by: mopar4don on April 15, 2015, 06:58:25 PM
I did try to hammer and dolly it, but it didn't take long to figure out my best bet would be to section this in.
Here you can see I drilled out the spot welds around the bucket, getting it ready to section
Title: Tail panel fix
Post by: mopar4don on April 15, 2015, 07:00:30 PM
Then sectioned the piece being removed and the piece going in
Title: Tail panel fix
Post by: mopar4don on April 15, 2015, 07:02:04 PM
Then weld/grind/file repeat, weld/grind/file repeat
Yes I use a file to finish. I find that I get myself in trouble really fast with grinding disk.
I prefer to add a few weld dots, then file them in!
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: comet_666 on April 15, 2015, 07:05:31 PM
My old panel was so bad it came out in 2 pieces. I actually found one on ebay about 6 years ago that was OEM, this was before they started re popping them again, it had the original shipping tag to a Dodge dealer in Wyoming. When I had the car painted we saved that spot so you can still see the tag.
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: cdr on April 15, 2015, 07:14:29 PM
Don you are doing a great job !!!!!!!!!!!!    :2thumbs:
Title: Cowl louver straightening
Post by: mopar4don on April 15, 2015, 07:37:01 PM
I was going through my pics and found this so I thought I would share.
This is how I straightened the louvers on my cowl.

1st I cut a shim till it fit inside the louver from the backside
Title: Cowl louver straightening
Post by: mopar4don on April 15, 2015, 07:37:51 PM
I layed a straight edge across the louvers and checked to see which ones needed to be pushed up
Title: Cowl louver straightening
Post by: mopar4don on April 15, 2015, 07:39:11 PM
Here you can see the gap on the louvers that are marked

I would then gently push up on the shim from underneath, then check the gaps, and repeat. This worked really well for me.
(Just so ya'all know, the pitted up cowl in these pics, was not used, I ended up using the cowl from the 4 door coronet parts car) (I just got back from South Carolina and now I'm talking / typing like them )
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: MaltFalcon777 on April 15, 2015, 08:08:40 PM
I am speechless. :o

You are just getting back at where I am going.

Holy Cow, this thread is absolutely priceless to me.

It will take me hours to review, take notes and really try to understand the incredible job you have done.

Thank you so much for sharing this.

I thought I had a lot to do,  I didn't even have a clue of this much detail to task.
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: fy469rtse on April 16, 2015, 06:20:05 AM
Great attention to detail,
Don simply amazing work  :2thumbs:
Title: More parts blasted
Post by: mopar4don on April 22, 2015, 07:09:18 PM
Took all these parts and blasted them.
It took me about 4 hours
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: fy469rtse on April 22, 2015, 09:06:18 PM
 :2thumbs:  :popcrn: :popcrn: :popcrn:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: Baldwinvette77 on April 22, 2015, 09:09:06 PM
Its like a big charger model car kit  :popcrn:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: JB400 on April 22, 2015, 10:44:50 PM
Hope you remember how it all goes back together :lol:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: Ghoste on April 23, 2015, 05:45:01 AM
That blasting can be tedious work too huh?  Better than hand stripping but still tedious.
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on April 23, 2015, 06:12:24 AM
Quote from: Baldwinvette77 on April 22, 2015, 09:09:06 PM
Its like a big charger model car kit  :popcrn:
I always did like models as a kid!

Quote from: JB400 on April 22, 2015, 10:44:50 PM
Hope you remember how it all goes back together :lol:
ME TO! That and not loosing any pieces!  :icon_smile_big:

Quote from: Ghoste on April 23, 2015, 05:45:01 AM
That blasting can be tedious work too huh?  Better than hand stripping but still tedious.
It can be tough on ya. Especially trying to hold those small parts.
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: Nwcharger on May 10, 2015, 11:51:16 AM
I like how your tackling your restoration. Great pics  :2thumbs: what's your plan with the body jig when your finished?
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on May 10, 2015, 06:16:14 PM
Quote from: Nwcharger on May 10, 2015, 11:51:16 AM
I like how your tackling your restoration. Great pics  :2thumbs: what's your plan with the body jig when your finished?
Thanks Nwcharger,
Not really sure what I'll do with it.
Might keep it for the next one :scratchchin: :scratchchin:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on May 27, 2015, 08:07:38 PM
Here are all those parts in epoxy

Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: Pat1973charger on May 27, 2015, 08:21:08 PM
Looking awesome don! I wish I had the time and energy (crazy at work) to start my charger!
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on May 27, 2015, 09:09:02 PM
I have been really busy to Pat, but I did manage to attend The Lane Automotive car show this past weekend!
The say it had 1700 cars there!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cebzUDXHocA&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cebzUDXHocA&feature=youtu.be)
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: keepat on May 27, 2015, 09:48:11 PM
Look like a big car show but no chargers in the video, did you see any there?
Thanks
Pat
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: Pat1973charger on May 27, 2015, 09:57:06 PM
Looks like fun don, gotta love car shows! We have one coming up near me on Father's Day that has a few hundred cars in it (not bad for rural Nova Scotia lol). My dad and I usually try to get to as many as we can, this year I'm going to take my little guy, he is only 9 months but gotta start em young lol!
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on May 28, 2015, 11:31:15 AM
Quote from: keepat on May 27, 2015, 09:48:11 PM
Look like a big car show but no chargers in the video, did you see any there?
Thanks
Pat
Yeah there were 5 or 6 I believe. 5 out of something like 1500 cars, I guess that shows how rare these machines are!


Quote from: Pat1973charger on May 27, 2015, 09:57:06 PM
Looks like fun don, gotta love car shows! We have one coming up near me on Father's Day that has a few hundred cars in it (not bad for rural Nova Scotia lol). My dad and I usually try to get to as many as we can, this year I'm going to take my little guy, he is only 9 months but gotta start em young lol!
Definatly get them started young, before you know it he'll be wrenching along side of ya.
Title: 4 speed hump patch
Post by: mopar4don on June 08, 2015, 08:16:35 PM
Did a little patching on the 4 speed hump
Title: 4 speed hump patch
Post by: mopar4don on June 08, 2015, 08:17:35 PM
this shows good weld penatration on the back side. (I always like to check this)
Title: 4 speed hump patch
Post by: mopar4don on June 08, 2015, 08:20:48 PM
I dont have a shrinker strecher (maybe someday)
so I find that cutting relief cuts into the metal works pretty good.
Title: 4 speed hump patch
Post by: mopar4don on June 08, 2015, 08:22:33 PM
just add weld, grind, and good as new!
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: Stevearino on June 08, 2015, 08:47:59 PM
Quote from: mopar4don on June 08, 2015, 08:20:48 PM
I dont have a shrinker strecher (maybe someday)
so I find that cutting relief cuts into the metal works pretty good.
You should get yourself a set. They are not that expensive and by God you deserve one after this ordeal. You have paid your dues and then some. :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on June 08, 2015, 08:56:53 PM
Thanks Steve, but where is the challenge?  :icon_smile_big:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: BROCK on June 08, 2015, 10:16:57 PM
Just found this thread today.  Awe inspiring Sir :popcrn: :popcrn: :popcrn: :popcrn:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: Steve P. on June 09, 2015, 01:14:59 AM
Great work as always...    :2thumbs:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: tan top on June 09, 2015, 03:21:38 AM
 :coolgleamA:  nice , goof stuff  :2thumbs:  :cheers: :popcrn:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: 70-500-SE-EXPORT on June 09, 2015, 09:31:53 AM
You are incredibly talented piecing back together that unibody! Love this following this build keep up the good work!!
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on June 09, 2015, 12:26:35 PM
What can I say but Thank you guys!
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: Ghoste on June 09, 2015, 05:41:15 PM
You deserve all the accolades man, you aren't just saving a well crusted Charger but you're doing it yourself and without just strolling through the AMD catalog or handing a resto shop a blank check.
Title: Bellhousing FIND!
Post by: mopar4don on June 19, 2015, 08:24:03 PM
Here is my lastest find!
I've been looking for a couple of years.

Title: Wheel house de-hump
Post by: mopar4don on June 27, 2015, 08:10:44 PM
I decided a while back that I would dehump my wheel houses. I figured that a little more room for the tires can't hurt! And now would be the time to do it rather than get the car done and have the tires rub!
So following is how I went about it. I'll show you the good and the bad. What I learned worked, and what did not work.
Keep in mind this entire process took approx, 2-1/2 months (yes I had trouble) :RantExplode:

So I already had the wheel wells installed and mocked up to the quarters, rockers, trunk floor, and trunk extensions.
So knowing that everything looked good, I made these braces to help hold the outer lip of the well. (I was concerned that they might move

Title: Wheel house de-hump
Post by: mopar4don on June 27, 2015, 08:12:34 PM
The idea is to slice the metal and hammer it out to make a smooth dished out transition on the outer half of the wheel well.
Here are my first cuts or slices
Title: Wheel house de-hump
Post by: mopar4don on June 27, 2015, 08:13:34 PM
Here is a side view showing the hump that will be removed.
Sorry about the blurriness
Title: Wheel house de-hump
Post by: mopar4don on June 27, 2015, 08:15:13 PM
More slicing and hammer work
Title: Wheel house de-hump
Post by: mopar4don on June 27, 2015, 08:16:33 PM
Here you can see the shape I am try to get to. More of a dished out radius.
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: keepat on June 28, 2015, 07:41:28 AM
Now is the time to modify it with the quarter panel off. What size wheels and tires are you going with?
Thanks
Pat
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: Aussiemadonmopars on June 28, 2015, 08:08:36 AM
Great work Pat. Here's how I did mine:    :2thumbs:

http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,11111.msg139669.html#msg139669
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: Pat1973charger on June 28, 2015, 01:13:42 PM
Looks good don! I think I ruined my roof skin removing it today  :'( keep the updates coming. One of my favourite threads going!
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on June 28, 2015, 07:02:10 PM
Quote from: keepat on June 28, 2015, 07:41:28 AM
Now is the time to modify it with the quarter panel off. What size wheels and tires are you going with?
Thanks
Pat
HI Pat, I really don't know what size. I guess as big as I can.
Do you have any idea what will fit in a de-humped wheel well? Or where I can find that info?
Maybe I'll use what others have proven to work....
like NorwayCharger used 18x10 with 4,5" backspace. 295,45,18
                                 17x8 with 4,5"-----"-------. 245,45,17

Quote from: Pat1973charger on June 28, 2015, 01:13:42 PM
Looks good don! I think I ruined my roof skin removing it today  :'( keep the updates coming. One of my favourite threads going!
Sorry to here about the roof skin, what happened?
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: Dino on June 28, 2015, 07:50:37 PM
Don, great work as always.   :2thumbs:

I run 275/50r17 with 4.5 bs and if it wasn't for the well hump, I could fit a whole lot more under there.  Actually the problem is on the inner well where the tires will rub making a sharp turn onto a steep driveway or something.  You should have no problems installing a 300+ tire.  I'll bet that with the right backspacing you could fit a 325 without issues.  It has been done but it may require raising the rear to clear the hump.  You don't have that problem though.   :coolgleamA:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: keepat on June 29, 2015, 09:59:36 AM
Quote from: mopar4don on June 28, 2015, 07:02:10 PM
Quote from: keepat on June 28, 2015, 07:41:28 AM
Now is the time to modify it with the quarter panel off. What size wheels and tires are you going with?
Thanks
Pat
HI Pat, I really don't know what size. I guess as big as I can.
Do you have any idea what will fit in a de-humped wheel well? Or where I can find that info?
Maybe I'll use what others have proven to work....
like NorwayCharger used 18x10 with 4,5" backspace. 295,45,18
                                 17x8 with 4,5"-----"-------. 245,45,17

Quote from: Pat1973charger on June 28, 2015, 01:13:42 PM
Looks good don! I think I ruined my roof skin removing it today  :'( keep the updates coming. One of my favourite threads going!
Sorry to here about the roof skin, what happened?

Don,
If you have a stock length rear which is about 60"  you will need a minimum of 5" backspacing with a 10 inch wheel with a 295 tire. I do think you the space you have made you can fit a 305 tire. Using an 18" wheels gives you a lot of tire options. The 8" front wheel will work with a 4.5" back spacing
Thanks
Pat
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: Cncguy on June 29, 2015, 10:22:27 AM
Can't imagine needing that much tire on a street car.
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on June 29, 2015, 11:12:12 AM
Thanks for the comments guys. Looks like I will have a bit of researching to do when I get that far.
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: cdr on June 29, 2015, 12:06:26 PM
Quote from: Cncguy on June 29, 2015, 10:22:27 AM
Can't imagine needing that much tire on a street car.

I can!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: cbrestorations on June 29, 2015, 12:17:24 PM
very dedicated build here, you are doing a great job, she will be ur pirzed possession once completed
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: Pat1973charger on June 29, 2015, 04:48:24 PM
Don, I couldn't get te skin I break free at the A pillers and I mangled it a little at the corner. It had a little rust near the seam at the quarter by the drip rail anyway but I was going to patch that. Not sure now what I'll do. Try to repair or replace. I like the dehump idea. Not sure of I will need it as  I plan on running magnum 500s at this time.
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: Stevearino on June 29, 2015, 08:07:32 PM
Always amazing your attention to detail and your determination not to rush things and cover all the bases. :yesnod:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: tomonty on July 04, 2015, 08:41:27 AM
Hi Don,

As everyone has already stated, amazing work.  :2thumbs:

I am in a similar boat as you in that I have an extremely rusty Charger and I would like to put it on a jig like you built. Do you have a materials list or anything for what is needed to build it? And secondly, how did you get the car up on the jig?

You're thread is an inspiration for me anytime I look at my car and think 'what have I gotten myself into?'  :icon_smile_big:

Thanks.

Mike
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on July 06, 2015, 12:06:21 PM
Quote from: tomonty on July 04, 2015, 08:41:27 AM
Hi Don,

As everyone has already stated, amazing work.  :2thumbs:

I am in a similar boat as you in that I have an extremely rusty Charger and I would like to put it on a jig like you built. Do you have a materials list or anything for what is needed to build it? And secondly, how did you get the car up on the jig?

You're thread is an inspiration for me anytime I look at my car and think 'what have I gotten myself into?'  :icon_smile_big:

Thanks.

Mike

Hi Mike, 
The jig was originally a 4'x8' table that I picked up at the local scrap yard. It was cut in half horizontally then put end to end to give me 4'x16'
It's made from 2x2 tubing with ΒΌ wall. And has a jack at every leg.

Getting the car on the jig was a little tricky but ended up working well.
What I did was I had the car on jack stands with the jig positioned behind the car.

I lifted the rear of the car with a floor jack and a length of 3 inch sq tubing mounted under the frame rail. (floor jack was in the center of the car)
I removed the 2 rear floor jacks and rolled the jig in under the car as far as I could. I then lowered the car back down onto the floor jacks, and would then repeat the process at the front of the car with another length of 3 inch tubing catching the torsion bar crossmember.

I repeated this process at the front or rear, until the jig was under the car.
It was a little nerve racking but I was careful, and went slow.

Good luck. maybe try using a cherry picker if you can.


Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: tomonty on July 06, 2015, 12:52:21 PM
Awesome...thanks for the info  :2thumbs:

Mike
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: Pat1973charger on July 06, 2015, 06:13:59 PM
The cherry picker is a good idea, saw some guys using chain falls on one end to their rafters and cherry picker on the other end. The easy way is how i did it, put car on my hoist pulled the k frame and rear end. Rolled the jig under and lowerd the car onto it .
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: Stevearino on July 06, 2015, 08:14:49 PM
If your ceiling structure will take it these chain hoists worked pretty good for my project. You just have to rig some lifting brackets.
Title: Wheel house de-hump
Post by: mopar4don on July 08, 2015, 09:14:28 PM
Ok, now for some of the ugly.

I diced the wheel well up pretty good and started the long process to weld it up.
The gaps were so large I had to use a copper spoon on the back side
Title: Wheel house de-hump
Post by: mopar4don on July 08, 2015, 09:16:18 PM
I did not get a lot of pictures, but at this point I was getting so many welding blow outs, it was driving me crazy! :brickwall:
Title: Wheel house de-hump
Post by: mopar4don on July 08, 2015, 09:18:11 PM
What you cant see in the pics is that nothing was smooth. What I wanted was a nice smooth transition. I wanted it to look like it came from the factory. Thats not what I had...... so I decided I would remove the wavy welded up mess, and patch in a new piece.
Title: Wheel house de-hump
Post by: mopar4don on July 08, 2015, 09:19:34 PM
more
Title: Wheel house de-hump
Post by: mopar4don on July 08, 2015, 09:22:23 PM
I like the looks of this!
Overall it looks much better than all that slicing welded up mess!
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: green69rt on July 08, 2015, 10:38:19 PM
You must have about 200 vise grips!!!!  I'm jealous, I only have about 80.
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on July 09, 2015, 05:10:47 AM
Quote from: green69rt on July 08, 2015, 10:38:19 PM
You must have about 200 vise grips!!!!  I'm jealous, I only have about 80.
Yeah and I need another 200 for when I put together the back half of the car!
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: Stevearino on July 09, 2015, 06:00:09 AM
Looks like the right choice putting in the one piece patch. That will save time on the other side now. :2thumbs:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: Dino on July 09, 2015, 09:00:11 AM
Quote from: mopar4don on July 09, 2015, 05:10:47 AM
Quote from: green69rt on July 08, 2015, 10:38:19 PM
You must have about 200 vise grips!!!!  I'm jealous, I only have about 80.
Yeah and I need another 200 for when I put together the back half of the car!

Self tapping screws are your friends.   :icon_smile_big:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: Cncguy on July 09, 2015, 09:15:55 AM
Quote from: Dino on July 09, 2015, 09:00:11 AM
Quote from: mopar4don on July 09, 2015, 05:10:47 AM
Quote from: green69rt on July 08, 2015, 10:38:19 PM
You must have about 200 vise grips!!!!  I'm jealous, I only have about 80.
Yeah and I need another 200 for when I put together the back half of the car!

Self tapping screws are your friends.   :icon_smile_big:

And Clecos
Title: dehump on the drivers side
Post by: mopar4don on July 23, 2015, 08:30:22 PM
I'm not real happy with the front side of this, but for now I want to go to the other side and maybe try something a bit different.....
Title: dehump on the drivers side
Post by: mopar4don on July 23, 2015, 08:34:19 PM
Here are some good before pics showing the stock wheel house and the crease that will go away
Title: dehump on the drivers side
Post by: mopar4don on July 23, 2015, 08:39:51 PM
Ok this time I started slicing along the crease
Then I hammered out flatening the crease which closing the gap.
NOTICE the white marks. this is what happens when you hammer on that PPG shopline epoxy paint.
I am really impressed how tough this stuff is! it DOES NOT chip crack peel or scratch after wailing on it with a hammer! I don't know if all epoxy primer can take this abuse but I feel pretty good about protection from stone chips on the bottom side of the car!
Title: dehump on the drivers side
Post by: mopar4don on July 23, 2015, 08:41:22 PM
Worked my way up (LOTS of hammering)
Title: dehump on the drivers side
Post by: mopar4don on July 23, 2015, 08:42:05 PM
put my first vertical slice in..... (LOTS of hammering)
Title: dehump on the drivers side
Post by: mopar4don on July 23, 2015, 08:43:14 PM
put my 2nd vertical slice in and it started to feel like I was about to repeat the problems of the pass side...........
WHEN THE LIGHT BULB CAME ON!
I would stop the horizontal slices, and try vertical slices only. (farther apart than the pass side)
Title: dehump on the drivers side
Post by: mopar4don on July 23, 2015, 08:44:35 PM
SUCCESS!  :ricky:
See how the crease is gone (LOTS and LOTS of hammering)
Title: dehump on the drivers side
Post by: mopar4don on July 23, 2015, 08:45:10 PM
Here is a good shot showing how much I moved that crease
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: AKcharger on August 02, 2015, 10:51:19 AM
I just stumbled across this thread and you are I-N-S-A-N-E...but in a good way, I've NEVER seen that much welding/fabrication!  :2thumbs:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on August 03, 2015, 05:27:10 AM
Quote from: AKcharger on August 02, 2015, 10:51:19 AM
I just stumbled across this thread and you are I-N-S-A-N-E...but in a good way, I've NEVER seen that much welding/fabrication!  :2thumbs:
What can I say?? It keeps me out of trouble!
Thanks
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: moparmendy on August 03, 2015, 09:15:36 PM
Don, its been said many times before but needs to be said again..and again!!!!!  amazing work!  off the chart nice!!!
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: 72Charger-SE on August 03, 2015, 10:23:03 PM
Don, I just finished reading your entire thread and viewing all the photos.  From one beginner to another WOW!  You do impressive work!  I thought I was 'stuck' in rust repair hell(o)...  but mine was nothing like yours.  Have you noticed how much your skills have improved since you started this project?  I am unsure what 'credentials' you have for body work and such but I would consider your on the job training better than schooling any day.  Great Job! :2thumbs:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: Baldwinvette77 on August 03, 2015, 10:35:43 PM
I just want to say, even though i don't comment much, i stop by everytime you update this  :2thumbs:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: six-tee-nine on August 04, 2015, 05:51:08 AM
Quote from: Baldwinvette77 on August 03, 2015, 10:35:43 PM
I just want to say, even though i don't comment much, i stop by everytime you update this  :2thumbs:

X2 and btw hang in there buddy, you might be in the dark in that tunnel but there's light at the end. I think I'm starting to see a tiny bit of light at this point altough I'm not sure its really there...... :cheers:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on August 04, 2015, 11:16:11 AM
Thanks fella's for the kind words. I'm learning all the time.
moparmendy, I want your side job!  :icon_smile_big:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: Homerr on August 04, 2015, 12:38:33 PM
Would love to see you start 'Mopar4Don's Body-in-White Program' next.
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on August 04, 2015, 12:57:49 PM
Quote from: Homerr on August 04, 2015, 12:38:33 PM
Would love to see you start 'Mopar4Don's Body-in-White Program' next.
I like the sound of that!
This one is a Body-in-Black  :yesnod:
Title: dehump on the drivers side
Post by: mopar4don on August 04, 2015, 08:37:17 PM
more pics showing the slicing and hammering
Title: dehump on the drivers side
Post by: mopar4don on August 04, 2015, 08:38:18 PM

Here you can see how the metal is puckering when it is hammered out.
I sliced the metal horizontally to help this situation
Title: dehump on the drivers side
Post by: mopar4don on August 04, 2015, 08:39:29 PM
Then I started welding it back together.
Here you can see the copper spoon I used as a backer.
Title: dehump on the drivers side
Post by: mopar4don on August 04, 2015, 08:41:48 PM
The side profile looks pretty good to me
Title: dehump on the drivers side
Post by: mopar4don on August 04, 2015, 08:43:46 PM
Some of the gaps opened up quite a bit from the hammering
So when welding a copper spoon is a must have!
Title: dehump on the drivers side
Post by: mopar4don on August 04, 2015, 08:46:31 PM
more....
Title: dehump on the drivers side
Post by: mopar4don on August 04, 2015, 08:47:56 PM
ALL DONE with this side and I am very pleased with the results!
If I were to do it again, in my opinion making vertical (up an down) slices and hammering out the crease is the way to go!
Now I need to go back and finish the passenger side..........
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: JB400 on August 05, 2015, 03:41:15 AM
I'm curious as to how well the quarter will fit the wheel well now. :popcrn:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on August 05, 2015, 05:28:49 AM
As am I!
stay tuned
Title: Update Nov 1 2015
Post by: mopar4don on November 01, 2015, 09:45:16 PM
It's been a couple of months since I last updated, so here goes.
I primed a few more parts (pic1)
I Painted the bellhousing with this VHT hemi orange paint. I plan on using this for the engine block when it comes time. Hope it's the right shade.
Title: Update Nov 1 2015
Post by: mopar4don on November 01, 2015, 09:46:06 PM
I reached the point where it was time to remove most of the bracing.
Now you see it
Title: Update Nov 1 2015
Post by: mopar4don on November 01, 2015, 09:46:57 PM
Now you don't
It's ALL gone!
And WOW does it look different!
Title: Update Nov 1 2015
Post by: mopar4don on November 01, 2015, 09:47:38 PM
Left this bracing in to support the back half of the roof
It will stay untill I get the wheel wells welded to the rockers
Title: Update Nov 1 2015
Post by: mopar4don on November 01, 2015, 09:48:45 PM
With the bracing out of the way I could start work on the floor
Title: Update Nov 1 2015
Post by: mopar4don on November 01, 2015, 09:49:43 PM
This needs a new section as well as the driver side
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: keepat on November 02, 2015, 09:06:53 AM
Don,
Good to see an update on your charger! With the doorjamb and inner quarter removed there is a ton of room to work on the floor!
Pat 
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: skip68 on November 02, 2015, 09:21:13 AM
Looking beautiful.    :2thumbs:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: tan top on November 02, 2015, 02:04:33 PM
 :scope: looking good  :yesnod: :2thumbs: :popcrn:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: tomonty on November 02, 2015, 02:12:25 PM
That floor will be a walk in the park compared to everything else you have done so far  :rofl:

Mike
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: cdr on November 02, 2015, 02:20:03 PM
 :notworthy:
Title: Sectioning new metal into the floors
Post by: mopar4don on November 02, 2015, 09:45:48 PM
Thanks fellas for the encouragement!

Here are a few pics showing how I sectioned in new metal for the floor.

Basically how I did this Is I layed the original in and screwed it down with some self tapping screws.
Then I over layed the white pan and traced around it.
Then I took the black pan back out and cut out the bad leaving a 1/2 for adjustment
Then back in went the black floor, making sure it was screwed down tight. Then I fit in the white pan and trimmed were I needed until I was satisfied it fit, then I scribed around it again. Removed it all, trimmed it to the new line then back in it went, had to to a little trimming here and there. Once I was satisfied with it I tack welded, pulled it out then welded er up!
Title: Sectioning new metal into the floors
Post by: mopar4don on November 02, 2015, 09:46:40 PM
more...
Title: Sectioning new metal into the floors
Post by: mopar4don on November 02, 2015, 09:47:29 PM
more
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: keepat on November 02, 2015, 10:29:07 PM
Great job!
Pat
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: birdsandbees on November 02, 2015, 11:04:42 PM
When are you opening a resto shop????  :2thumbs:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: cdr on November 02, 2015, 11:56:48 PM
again,, AWESOME !!!! you really are going to have a charger when done  :2thumbs:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: tomonty on November 03, 2015, 08:10:43 AM
Like I said, walk in the park. Great job Don.  :2thumbs:

Mike
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: Homerr on November 03, 2015, 11:13:01 AM
Amazing!   :2thumbs:
Title: Sectioning new metal into the floors
Post by: mopar4don on December 09, 2015, 08:21:58 PM
Here is a pic of the floor after primer.... waiting to go in
Title: Converting an AC firewall 2 a non AC firewall
Post by: mopar4don on December 09, 2015, 08:23:24 PM
I have been putting this off,

I need to section out my firewall to bring it back to a non AC car!
For those that don't remember the front clip I am using came from a 69 4 door Coronet with AC.
I decided not to change over to AC, this way it would be like original. (OK, and cheaper)

This took a lot of thought. (need to be sure that I remove some holes, and add others)
So what I did was take pics of an AC firewall and non AC firewall compare the two and fill the small holes and drill out the others.
Title: Converting an AC firewall 2 a non AC firewall
Post by: mopar4don on December 09, 2015, 08:24:07 PM
Then it came time to section out and fill the large holes.
What I did was I made a template and traced out both firewalls
(using 2 holes common between the firewalls as an alignment)
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: cdr on December 09, 2015, 08:24:34 PM
excellent!!!
Title: Converting an AC firewall 2 a non AC firewall
Post by: mopar4don on December 09, 2015, 08:25:24 PM
Next I layed out were I wanted to cut, then cut it out
Title: Converting an AC firewall 2 a non AC firewall
Post by: mopar4don on December 09, 2015, 08:26:33 PM
I then transferred the hole to the template and marked the donor.
Note: the donor section is larger and I included the alignment holes
Title: Converting an AC firewall 2 a non AC firewall
Post by: mopar4don on December 09, 2015, 08:27:36 PM
I think you can see the 1/4 drills I used to align the panel in these two pics.
Title: Converting an AC firewall 2 a non AC firewall
Post by: mopar4don on December 09, 2015, 08:28:50 PM
At this point I traced the opening onto the donor, cut and fit, and welded her in!
Title: Converting an AC firewall 2 a non AC firewall
Post by: mopar4don on December 09, 2015, 08:34:05 PM
Used some All Metal to smooth out the imperfections.... just have to get some primer on
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: Baldwinvette77 on December 09, 2015, 09:07:12 PM
Your work truly is an art form  :popcrn:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on December 11, 2015, 02:05:51 PM
Quote from: Baldwinvette77 on December 09, 2015, 09:07:12 PM
Your work truly is an art form  :popcrn:
Thanks,I keep hoping it will get easier, BUT........
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: Pat1973charger on December 14, 2015, 09:33:19 AM
I know I already commented on this update on fbbo but Don I just can't get over how incredibly methodical your work is, as Baldwin said, a true artist of metal!
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: oddis on December 15, 2015, 03:52:13 PM
read the whole tread, and the work here is over the top...  :2thumbs:    IΒ΄m amazed by all the work done, and looking forward to se the charger complete and ready to run    :popcrn:      if I ever need to know anything about fitting a panel this thread will be read over and over again...   :popcorn:
keep on posting..  :cheers:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: oddis on December 15, 2015, 03:54:27 PM
read the whole tread, and the work here is over the top...  :2thumbs:    I'm amazed by all the work done, and looking forward to see the charger complete and ready to run    :popcrn:      if I ever need to know anything about fitting a panel this thread will be read over and over again...   :popcorn:
keep on posting..  :cheers:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: fy469rtse on December 16, 2015, 06:03:45 AM
Fantastic work Don,
Great to see you haven't given up , big job , turned the corner and its looking like a B body shell again
How's the time to decide if you do want air con,
Because if you don't have a good heat box to use , retro fit kit , holes are in different locations , vintage air
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on December 16, 2015, 09:10:00 AM
Thank you everyone for all the kind words,

Quote from: fy469rtse on December 16, 2015, 06:03:45 AM
Fantastic work Don,
Great to see you haven't given up , big job , turned the corner and its looking like a B body shell again
How's the time to decide if you do want air con,
Because if you don't have a good heat box to use , retro fit kit , holes are in different locations , vintage air

I decided to go with the original air conditioning. You know, the kind you operate with a crank. ;D
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: gers1968rt on December 17, 2015, 05:56:42 PM
Nice job on the firewall, I never even considered such a simple conversion.
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on December 17, 2015, 06:10:26 PM
Quote from: gers1968rt on December 17, 2015, 05:56:42 PM
Nice job on the firewall, I never even considered such a simple conversion.
Thanks Ger, ya I was'nt planing on it, but after I got the donor firewall I was keep trying to come up with a way to use it.
Hows your resto going? Have any updates?
Title: lower lock pillar surgery
Post by: mopar4don on January 01, 2016, 10:59:25 PM
Here is a little New Years Day surgery to show ya
I sectioned off the bad
Title: lower lock pillar surgery
Post by: mopar4don on January 01, 2016, 11:00:13 PM
And replaced it with a donor piece
Title: lower lock pillar surgery
Post by: mopar4don on January 01, 2016, 11:00:50 PM
here is how it looked after welding and grinding
Title: lower lock pillar surgery
Post by: mopar4don on January 01, 2016, 11:01:37 PM
I did run into a bit of a snag!
If you notice the bracket with the 2 holes. This should get welded to the top of the rocker.
Title: lower lock pillar surgery
Post by: mopar4don on January 01, 2016, 11:02:29 PM
PROBLEM is I cant get at it... its on the other side, under the donor piece I JUST WELDED IN! :brickwall:
Title: lower lock pillar surgery
Post by: mopar4don on January 01, 2016, 11:03:21 PM
I think the only thing I can do is to add a piece onto the bracket and have it bend to the rear.
THEN I can get at it and weld it to the rocker!  :RantExplode:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: Dino on January 01, 2016, 11:07:54 PM
Don just weld the the corner seam of the bracket to the top of the rocker, makes no difference.

Great work as always, keep it up!   :2thumbs:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on January 01, 2016, 11:14:20 PM
Quote from: Dino on January 01, 2016, 11:07:54 PM
Don just weld the the corner seam of the bracket to the top of the rocker, makes no difference.

Great work as always, keep it up!   :2thumbs:
Hi Dino,
your right! That would be a little easier!
THANKS :2thumbs:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: Dino on January 01, 2016, 11:37:22 PM
You're welcome   :cheers:
Title: suspension parts
Post by: mopar4don on January 19, 2016, 09:55:47 PM
Got some more parts blasted
Title: suspension parts
Post by: mopar4don on January 19, 2016, 09:57:55 PM
Purchased the Firm Feel reinforcement kit (8 pieces)
sorry I missed one of the triangles in the top pic

2nd pic shows the missing triangle piece (the bottom triangle)
Title: suspension parts
Post by: mopar4don on January 19, 2016, 09:59:20 PM
I welded the outer seam all the way around the k-frame
then welded on the pieces from the kit
Here you can see the large full washers welded on
Title: suspension parts
Post by: mopar4don on January 19, 2016, 10:01:20 PM
Here I tacked the piece in the corner to hold it
Title: suspension parts
Post by: mopar4don on January 19, 2016, 10:04:16 PM
Then with it tacked, I heated the metal, after which I hammered the middle in so the edges would fit better.
Then I welded it
Title: suspension parts
Post by: mopar4don on January 19, 2016, 10:06:00 PM
The small sliver piece was done the same way. (No heat was needed)
Title: suspension parts
Post by: mopar4don on January 19, 2016, 10:08:18 PM
Here you can see 3 pieces welded in, the c-shaped washer, triangle piece, and the sliver piece
Sorry, I didn't get any pics of the other pieces as they were welded in
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: keepat on January 20, 2016, 07:54:13 AM
Don,
Cool upgrade to your K member. It's nice welding with that heavy steel as you don't ever burn through it like you can the 20 gauge body panels.
Pat 
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on January 20, 2016, 08:03:37 AM
Quote from: keepat on January 20, 2016, 07:54:13 AM
Don,
Cool upgrade to your K member. It's nice welding with that heavy steel as you don't ever burn through it like you can the 20 gauge body panels.
Pat 

Hi Pat,
Amen to that! The biggest problem I had, was getting my welder dialed in and the welds to look good as I was not use to the higher settings on the welder.
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: charger chris on January 21, 2016, 02:49:39 PM
Looking good. Looks like u got some of ur parts where I been getting my from. His car helping to save at least two cars. And his car gettin a wing and nose and engine.
Title: Lower control arms
Post by: mopar4don on January 28, 2016, 10:51:56 PM
Did a little work on my lower control arms.

I never got a pic after grinding down the welds.
I will get some after they come back from powdercoat
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: Lighthorseman on January 29, 2016, 12:55:00 PM
..."Did a little work on my lower control arms...."

Noted two references to this mod recently, and find it quite interesting.  My LCAs are currently out of the car, and this would be a great time to jump on the LCA stiffening bandwagon - Does this make a noticeable difference?  Is there a template out there for a guy to follow, with regard to thickness, etc?


  --> Edit...     http://www.ebay.ca/itm/1965-76-Mopar-A-62-72-B-70-74-E-Body-Lower-Control-Arm-Stiffening-Plates-/201401517559?hash=item2ee47745f7:g:sYcAAOSwgQ9VwiHL&vxp=mtr

Well, what do you know?  There they are...
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on January 30, 2016, 08:40:38 PM
Yup those are it.
I am kinda like you, As long as I had everything apart I figured I may as well do it.
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: XS29L9B2 on February 03, 2016, 01:47:14 PM
very nice work
Title: 4 speed firewall bracket
Post by: mopar4don on February 10, 2016, 10:14:31 PM
I got the 4 speed pedal backer bracket welded into the firewall.
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: Cncguy on February 11, 2016, 06:07:41 AM
Didn't think that needed welded.
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on February 11, 2016, 07:32:45 AM
Originally there were 2 spot welds, so I drilled a couple of holes and plug welded them in
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: Charger-Bodie on February 11, 2016, 11:15:51 AM
Quote from: mopar4don on February 11, 2016, 07:32:45 AM
Originally there were 2 spot welds, so I drilled a couple of holes and plug welded them in



:yesnod:
Title: Grill support re-assembly
Post by: mopar4don on February 11, 2016, 09:58:16 PM
Ok, next I got my grill support back together.
Title: Grill support re-assembly
Post by: mopar4don on February 11, 2016, 09:59:18 PM
Before I disassembled the grill support, I drilled some 1/8 holes to aid in re-alignment
Title: Grill support re-assembly
Post by: mopar4don on February 11, 2016, 10:00:20 PM
These alignment holes worked for self tapping screws
Title: Grill support re-assembly
Post by: mopar4don on February 11, 2016, 10:01:26 PM
These next 4 pics show the support compleatly finished
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: Pat1973charger on February 12, 2016, 12:59:21 AM
Looks good Don! I wish I had a solid grille support lol......baldwinvette  ;)
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on February 15, 2016, 10:19:32 PM
Quote from: Pat1973charger on February 12, 2016, 12:59:21 AM
Looks good Don! I wish I had a solid grille support lol......baldwinvette  ;)
Ah, you noticed that extra one ther didnt ya :icon_smile_big:
Title: Internal frame coating
Post by: mopar4don on February 15, 2016, 10:21:55 PM
I was a little concerned about any possible rust that I could not get at when I blasted. (RUST BAD :flame:)
So I bought some Eastwood internal frame coating and sprayed down the inside of the a-pillars and inside the front frame rails
Title: Internal frame coating
Post by: mopar4don on February 15, 2016, 10:23:52 PM
notice all the tape (even the yellow tape on the driver side front frame rail), this was to cover the holes so the coating would not run out
Title: Internal frame coating
Post by: mopar4don on February 15, 2016, 10:26:29 PM
Or should I say it was an attempt to seal the openings and keep the coating from running out
But it did anyway! WHAT a MESS! but I think it is worth it. (at least it makes me feel a little better)
Title: Internal frame coating
Post by: mopar4don on February 15, 2016, 10:27:28 PM
I will most likely spray inside the torsion bars and rear frame rails before the get covered.
here is one more pic of the driver side frame rail
Title: Re: Internal frame coating
Post by: green69rt on February 15, 2016, 11:20:13 PM
Quote from: mopar4don on February 15, 2016, 10:23:52 PM
notice all the tape (even the yellow tape on the driver side front frame rail), this was to cover the holes so the coating would not run out

I did the same thing.  I also sprayed it inside the folds of the trunk lid, hood and the bottom of the doors.  But, I didn't think about the A pillars.  All places you can't really clean up very well, sometimes you can't even see what's in there!  And, yes, that stuff is runny and you can't keep it from seeping out any little hole but I guess that's what makes it a good sealant.

It does clean up with Lacquer thinner, maybe even mineral spirits if it hasn't cured.
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: fy469rtse on February 16, 2016, 03:45:37 AM
Don,
With that grill frame , I modified mine so the top comes off, also hidden welded to make that frame more rigid ,
It does support a plastic grill after all
And with the top separate to rest ,
Amazing how differently you can put the front together ,
Grill support and grill can go in last ,
Front valance and bumper
Looks stock
Title: Re: Internal frame coating
Post by: mopar4don on February 16, 2016, 07:44:14 AM
Quote from: green69rt on February 15, 2016, 11:20:13 PM
Quote from: mopar4don on February 15, 2016, 10:23:52 PM
notice all the tape (even the yellow tape on the driver side front frame rail), this was to cover the holes so the coating would not run out

I did the same thing.  I also sprayed it inside the folds of the trunk lid, hood and the bottom of the doors.  But, I didn't think about the A pillars.  All places you can't really clean up very well, sometimes you can't even see what's in there!  And, yes, that stuff is runny and you can't keep it from seeping out any little hole but I guess that's what makes it a good sealant.

It does clean up with Lacquer thinner, maybe even mineral spirits if it hasn't cured.
You say you sprayed it inside the trunk lid and hood. Hmmm :scratchchin:
It's kinda weird you mentioned that as I was just looking at my trunk lid, and wondering what to do about all the rust inside. When I roll the trunk around, I get a lot of rust falling out. (I was thinking about seperating the inner from the outer) But I think spraying that inside should help a lot!
Thanks Green
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on February 16, 2016, 07:46:10 AM
Quote from: fy469rtse on February 16, 2016, 03:45:37 AM
Don,
With that grill frame , I modified mine so the top comes off, also hidden welded to make that frame more rigid ,
It does support a plastic grill after all
And with the top separate to rest ,
Amazing how differently you can put the front together ,
Grill support and grill can go in last ,
Front valance and bumper
Looks stock

Do you have a link showing how you did this?
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: Baldwinvette77 on February 16, 2016, 08:20:44 AM
Quote from: Pat1973charger on February 12, 2016, 12:59:21 AM
Looks good Don! I wish I had a solid grille support lol......baldwinvette  ;)

huh?...... OH CRAP!
Title: Re: Internal frame coating
Post by: green69rt on February 16, 2016, 08:39:26 AM
Quote from: mopar4don on February 16, 2016, 07:44:14 AM
Quote from: green69rt on February 15, 2016, 11:20:13 PM
Quote from: mopar4don on February 15, 2016, 10:23:52 PM
notice all the tape (even the yellow tape on the driver side front frame rail), this was to cover the holes so the coating would not run out

I did the same thing.  I also sprayed it inside the folds of the trunk lid, hood and the bottom of the doors.  But, I didn't think about the A pillars.  All places you can't really clean up very well, sometimes you can't even see what's in there!  And, yes, that stuff is runny and you can't keep it from seeping out any little hole but I guess that's what makes it a good sealant.

It does clean up with Lacquer thinner, maybe even mineral spirits if it hasn't cured.
You say you sprayed it inside the trunk lid and hood. Hmmm :scratchchin:
It's kinda weird you mentioned that as I was just looking at my trunk lid, and wondering what to do about all the rust inside. When I roll the trunk around, I get a lot of rust falling out. (I was thinking about seperating the inner from the outer) But I think spraying that inside should help a lot!
Thanks Green

On the trunk, I just sprayed a lot till I could see a small puddle then moved the lid around to let the liquid run down into all the corners.  It dries quick so you have to be quicker.  Hood was just sprayed as well as I could.  Too big to move around much besides it's a new AMD hood so no rust yet.  The edges are where the seams are so maybe it'll help.   :shruggy:
Title: front suspension update
Post by: mopar4don on February 27, 2016, 08:36:18 PM
I got my front suspension parts back from the powder coater and WOW! I am impressed!
They really did a nice job!
The parts I powder coated are the k-frame, strut bars, sway bar, and boxed LCA's.
My upper control arms were toast so I purchased a set from a fellow DC.com member. They were already painted, and had the ball joints and bushings installed. I also upgraded to the .960 mopar preformance torsion bars. So these two items were not powder coated  :'(
Title: front suspension update
Post by: mopar4don on February 27, 2016, 08:37:01 PM
more....
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: keepat on February 27, 2016, 08:49:00 PM
Great job grinding down and finishing the weld on your K member! All the reinforcement look original!
Pat
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on February 27, 2016, 08:52:22 PM
Quote from: keepat on February 27, 2016, 08:49:00 PM
Great job grinding down and finishing the weld on your K member! All the reinforcement look original!
Pat
Thanks Pat, I'm kinda glad someone noticed, as I spent a LOT of time grinding the welds smooth! Not to mention my dremel died because of it. :shruggy:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: charger chris on February 27, 2016, 09:05:37 PM
Nice job. I am watching you to see how rocker and floor and some thing go together  :2thumbs:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on February 27, 2016, 09:20:09 PM
Quote from: charger chris on February 27, 2016, 09:05:37 PM
Nice job. I am watching you to see how rocker and floor and some thing go together  :2thumbs:
Waiting on the weather to get warmer, as I have to have the overhead door open to get around the back side of the car.
Until then I have plenty of other thing to restore.
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: charger chris on February 27, 2016, 09:32:29 PM
Oh I under stand that lol. You did job on that tail panel to. I tryed to get that off Dave. I found up north of me. :woohoo: :woohoo:
Title: Firewall primed
Post by: mopar4don on April 01, 2016, 07:35:41 PM
I have been a little worried about flash rust forming on the firewall repair so I finally got that area primed!

1st I had to build a temporary spray booth
Title: Firewall primed
Post by: mopar4don on April 01, 2016, 07:36:31 PM
more
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: keepat on April 01, 2016, 08:21:53 PM
 Your conversion to a non-AC firewall looks great, nice job!!
Pat
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: VegasCharger on April 02, 2016, 04:20:02 AM
Nice work  :2thumbs:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: gers1968rt on April 05, 2016, 11:24:31 AM
Looking good, Don.
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: Charger_Fan on April 05, 2016, 01:10:24 PM
Quote from: gers1968rt on April 05, 2016, 11:24:31 AM
Looking good, Don.
:iagree: Great progress!
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on April 05, 2016, 03:31:06 PM
Thanks everyone.
I sure would like it to go faster.......... :brickwall:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: Pat1973charger on April 05, 2016, 07:20:34 PM
Quote from: mopar4don on April 05, 2016, 03:31:06 PM
Thanks everyone.
I sure would like it to go faster.......... :brickwall:

We all would Don but from way I see you have done more to your car in three years than most do in ten. Keep after it and someday in the not so distant future you'll be remembering the work while driving that cool car!
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on April 06, 2016, 05:22:35 AM
Quote from: Pat1973charger on April 05, 2016, 07:20:34 PM
Quote from: mopar4don on April 05, 2016, 03:31:06 PM
Thanks everyone.
I sure would like it to go faster.......... :brickwall:

We all would Don but from way I see you have done more to your car in three years than most do in ten. Keep after it and someday in the not so distant future you'll be remembering the work while driving that cool car!
Thanks for the encouragement Pat
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: Pat1973charger on April 06, 2016, 09:44:29 AM
Your welcome Don, as you know I am in the same boat so I know how it can help. At least your over the jump of fighting the rust, that's a big hurtle to overcome.
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on April 06, 2016, 09:50:13 AM
Quote from: Pat1973charger on April 06, 2016, 09:44:29 AM
Your welcome Don, as you know I am in the same boat so I know how it can help. At least your over the jump of fighting the rust, that's a big hurtle to overcome.
You are right about that!
I remember it felt real good when I didnt have to look at crusty rusty panels. :yesnod:
Title: Heater box restoration
Post by: mopar4don on April 06, 2016, 07:58:15 PM
Here are some pictures of my heater box resto
I started out with 2 boxes, I will pick and choose the better parts and will end up with one.
Title: Heater box restoration
Post by: mopar4don on April 06, 2016, 07:59:45 PM
Disassembly is pretty easy (just take lots of pics to refer to if need be)
And yes, it nasty if you had mice!
Title: Heater box restoration
Post by: mopar4don on April 06, 2016, 08:01:13 PM
I had to do a little fiberglass repair in a couple of spots.
Sorry I didn't do a very good job of getting "in progress" pictures
Title: Heater box restoration
Post by: mopar4don on April 06, 2016, 08:02:10 PM
I bought the kit from DMT Detroit Muscle Technology
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: cdr on April 06, 2016, 08:04:53 PM
great work Don !!!!!
Title: Heater box restoration
Post by: mopar4don on April 06, 2016, 08:06:48 PM
Here are some pics of the heater box complete.
I am very pleased with how everything turned out.
One thing I would recommend is to by the kit 1st. Then go through there instructions.
They had suggestions on disassembly. Mainly with the internal door arms and how to get them out
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on April 06, 2016, 08:08:51 PM
Quote from: cdr on April 06, 2016, 08:04:53 PM
great work Don !!!!!
Thanks cdr,
I had to have something to keep me busy during the winter...... I will try and get this thread updated
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: keepat on April 06, 2016, 09:20:07 PM
Don,

Great job resurrecting your heater box, looks awesome!

Pat
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: birdsandbees on April 06, 2016, 10:40:13 PM
I see your heater box kit may have actually came with the thicker foam washers for the flapper "washers". I had to make mine from some packing material because they were awol.
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: tan top on April 07, 2016, 12:25:21 AM
 :coolgleamA: :2thumbs: :popcrn:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on April 13, 2016, 07:07:02 PM
I need some help fellas with my trunk pan and rear valance......
And please comment on that page
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,123434.0.html
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: ht4spd307 on April 13, 2016, 07:55:16 PM
yes it is correct with that gap i'm doing mine at the moment but make sure the tail panel is also in line as i just found out with mine the turkey that started the restoration on my car had the car on a rotisserie while removing the floor pan which in turn has bent the chassis rails upwards  by a a half inch or so which when i try to align the tail panel its a 1/2 inch to high or if i connect the tail panel to the 1/4 panels the trunk pan is to high so some how i have to bent the chassis rails down a half inch which don't sound a lot but the rail are under like a spring load.if any one has any suggestion on how to approach this any tips would help   
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on May 19, 2016, 03:26:50 PM
While I'm working on the back end of my car, I thought I would update you all with my e-brake restoration

before
Title: e-brake resto
Post by: mopar4don on May 19, 2016, 03:29:34 PM
after....
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: cdr on May 19, 2016, 03:42:11 PM
 :2thumbs:
Title: vacation break
Post by: mopar4don on July 19, 2016, 12:06:56 PM
It's been a while since I have updated you all. Been really busy with that thing called life.
I did manage to get a vacation in.  :icon_smile_big:
To me it was the vacation of a lifetime....
My wife and I had the opportunity to take a cruise to Alaska,and all I can say is WOW,
Its not every day you get to see such pure magnificent beauty!
Here are are few pics..
Title: vacation break
Post by: mopar4don on July 19, 2016, 12:16:36 PM
Here are perfect examples of our "purple mountain majesty"
I've never seen purple mountains before!
Title: vacation break
Post by: mopar4don on July 19, 2016, 12:20:40 PM
This is the Dawes Glacier, The ship stopped 1 mile from from it. (Notice the double decker excursion boat)
I was truly overwhelmed by the sheer size of everything and I thank God for giving me the opportunity to go and see it!

I HIGHLY RECOMMEND THIS TRIP TO EVERYONE!

Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: cdr on July 19, 2016, 02:15:32 PM
WOW!!!!   
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: Charger4404spd on July 19, 2016, 02:33:42 PM
Awesome, Id love to go there!
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on July 19, 2016, 02:44:58 PM
Yeah WOW.
What is really awesome is if you look at the pictures of the mountains notice how the sides have been smoothed and how they are very steep.

These channels were dug out by glaciers of long ago. We were told that as the glaciers moved they dug these channels and they smoothed out the sides of the mountain as they went along. Where you see jagged rocks twords the top, thats were the highest point of the glacier was. Below the jagged rocks the awesome force of the glacier smoothed out the sides of the mountain. So as you look up along the sides you see it smoothed off.
This gives you a little bit of a perspective.
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: Charger_Fan on July 19, 2016, 04:03:45 PM
Neat pics, thanks for sharing them. Which part of Alaska was that?
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on July 20, 2016, 06:32:47 AM
Quote from: Charger_Fan on July 19, 2016, 04:03:45 PM
Neat pics, thanks for sharing them. Which part of Alaska was that?
South East Alaska.
These pics were from the Tracy Arm-Fjords Terror Wilderness.

Tracy Arm-Fords Terror Wilderness contains 653,179 acres (2,643.32 km2) and consists of two deep and narrow fjords: Tracy Arm and Endicott Arm. Both fjords are over 30 miles (48 km) long and one-fifth of their area is covered in ice. During the summer, the fjords have considerable floating ice ranging from hand-sized to pieces as large as a three-story building.
Title: update aug2016
Post by: mopar4don on August 01, 2016, 11:46:23 AM
Car update

I cant believe it's been 3+ months since I started foolin around with
the back end of this car!

Basically with the help and advise from some of the members here and over at
forbbodies.com I was able to get it together. A BIG thank-you to ALL who helped!

The biggest problem I had was getting the quarter panel
(with the corner cap mounted) to line up with the rear crossmember.
Either the quarter is not far enough back, or the crossmember is not right.

Title: update aug2016
Post by: mopar4don on August 01, 2016, 11:47:36 AM
I know some have addressed this problem by slicing the quarters and
welding in a pie shaped piece.
But after advise from our members I got my BIG OL HAMMER out and bent the end
of the crossmember back, far enough, so I could attach the corner cap.

Title: update aug2016
Post by: mopar4don on August 01, 2016, 11:48:52 AM
Once I got that close (on both sides) I fit the rear valance and tail panel
and got everything to go together with clamps and screws.

Title: update aug2016
Post by: mopar4don on August 01, 2016, 11:50:29 AM

Once I was satisfied with the fitment of those parts, I started over and fit
the trunk drop-offs in. this took a lot of work, as the crossmember, corner
cap with quarter panel, and the trunk drop-off all come together and have to
fit and look right! (WOW I'M TIRED JUST THINKING ABOUT ALL THAT WORK)

Here she is with the back half all put together (temporarily)
I even have the deck filler panel and trunk gutters in.
I set the trunk lid in and I was pleased with the fitment and gaps!


Title: update aug2016
Post by: mopar4don on August 01, 2016, 11:51:48 AM
I have a little bit of work to do to the deck filler panel.
Need to work the right and left sides to get a better fit to the quarters.

Title: update aug2016
Post by: mopar4don on August 01, 2016, 11:53:22 AM
I also got my dash and the other buckskin tan colored parts painted.
I am extremely happy with the results!
(A huge THANKYOU to my friend Rafael who did the painting)
I had our local PPG paint distributor color match the glove box door hinge.
In the picture it looks a little darker than the real thing which turned out
REALLY CLOSE! The parts even have the correct suede finish!

Title: update aug2016
Post by: mopar4don on August 01, 2016, 11:54:22 AM
So now that I am happy with the fitment of the sheet metal on the rear of the
car, It's time to get serious and start welding her up!
Here I have the sheet metal removed again (I must have done this a 100 times)
And I have the inner rockers welded to the front cross member and rear frame
rails.

Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: cdr on August 01, 2016, 11:55:44 AM
 :2thumbs:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: Cncguy on August 01, 2016, 12:35:50 PM
Looking good! You keep me motivated on my project. By the that's a very interesting circuit you have running off the electrical panel.
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: cdr on August 01, 2016, 01:10:11 PM
be sure & test fit the 1/4 panel end caps.
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on August 01, 2016, 01:11:01 PM
Quote from: Cncguy on August 01, 2016, 12:35:50 PM
Looking good! You keep me motivated on my project. By the that's a very interesting circuit you have running off the electrical panel.
You like that? That was so I could have light at the panel when I was working on my overhead lights
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on August 01, 2016, 01:13:45 PM
Quote from: cdr on August 01, 2016, 01:10:11 PM
be sure & test fit the 1/4 panel end caps.
Yeah I did that and they will need a little massaging. I figured that could be done after the back was nailed down.
How did you do yours?
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: timmycharger on August 01, 2016, 01:38:05 PM
Quote from: mopar4don on August 01, 2016, 01:13:45 PM
Quote from: cdr on August 01, 2016, 01:10:11 PM
be sure & test fit the 1/4 panel end caps.
Yeah I did that and they will need a little massaging. I figured that could be done after the back was nailed down.
How did you do yours?


Yes! this was the mistake I made 10 years ago on mine. I wished I got them perfect before tacking the quarter skin in place.
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: keepat on August 01, 2016, 03:36:14 PM
Don, nice progress! Rear panel fit looks great!
Pat
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: Stevearino on August 01, 2016, 07:01:19 PM
Bet you feel inspired with that new sheet metal hung on there even if it was only temporary. After all that time dealing with all the little repairs all over the sub structure it is now time to reap the rewards.  You certainly deserve it. :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on August 02, 2016, 12:19:47 PM
Quote from: Stevearino on August 01, 2016, 07:01:19 PM
Bet you feel inspired with that new sheet metal hung on there even if it was only temporary. After all that time dealing with all the little repairs all over the sub structure it is now time to reap the rewards.  You certainly deserve it. :2thumbs: :2thumbs:

You are to kind, thank you.
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: hemi-hampton on August 02, 2016, 02:05:44 PM
Nice Work. :2thumbs:  LEON.
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: Lennard on August 02, 2016, 02:19:58 PM
Great work!  Another one saved  :2thumbs:
Title: rockers out of level
Post by: mopar4don on September 10, 2016, 07:23:00 PM
Here is my dilemma

I welded the passenger side rocker in and now I find that it is out of level by 1/4"- 3/8" in a 4 foot distance.
The rear of the car was completely mocked up (assembled using screws) including the rockers. (look back the last couple of pages)
So nothing has moved, its right back were it was during mock up.

I knew the rockers were out of level a bit but figured it was ok because everything else came out good
So now I am second guessing myself and wondering if I really messed up!
And maybe I am a bit paranoid, but I just would like to know what to do or if there are other things I can check.

I have adjusted the door to get a consistent gap on the bottom, and with the window up the gap looks ok, but I don't know for sure until I get the drip rail and door seal installed.
The car is on a chassis jig, and the torsion bar crossmember and rear frame rails are in the correct location (they are level front to back as per the frame diagram)

So any help or advice is appreciated

Title: rockers out of level
Post by: mopar4don on September 10, 2016, 07:23:51 PM
more pics of the door gaps
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: Dino on September 10, 2016, 07:43:43 PM
1/4" off? Congratulations, you are within acceptable range and will be offered a position at Chrysler.   :lol:

Seriously, they are not all that precise so take a deep breath, everything will be fine. As long as the door lines up well with the quarter and you can get the fender to align decent you'll be halfway there. And they'll line up just fine. They may require tweaking to get them closer to modern car specs but that is to be expected on any old mopar. The glass can be tweaked in any direction easily and the roof seal and trim don't change how the glass fits now. Don't worry about that.

So all that is left really is cosmetic. If the unlevel rocker bothers you then simply cut, tweak, and weld. You could fix it with lead but splicing it is going to be much easier. Just don't start cutting until you have all the panels in place.
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on September 10, 2016, 07:50:11 PM
Quote from: Dino on September 10, 2016, 07:43:43 PM
1/4" off? Congratulations, you are within acceptable range and will be offered a position at Chrysler.   :lol:

Seriously, they are not all that precise so take a deep breath, everything will be fine. As long as the door lines up well with the quarter and you can get the fender to align decent you'll be halfway there. And they'll line up just fine. They may require tweaking to get them closer to modern car specs but that is to be expected on any old mopar. The glass can be tweaked in any direction easily and the roof seal and trim don't change how the glass fits now. Don't worry about that.

So all that is left really is cosmetic. If the unlevel rocker bothers you then simply cut, tweak, and weld. You could fix it with lead but splicing it is going to be much easier. Just don't start cutting until you have all the panels in place.

Thanks Dino, you make me feel better.
Unlevel rockers do not bother me at all. In fact when I ever get it done it will have the back raked up a bit anyway.
I never did fit the fenders. I was so worried about the back that I never even thought about the front fenders
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: Dino on September 10, 2016, 07:56:41 PM
As long as you respect the order of installing panels, you'll breeze through this. And frankly, a little cut and paste here and there would not be much of a deal, especially on something as straightforward as a rocker. No pun intended.   ;)

Line up the door with the quarter and only the quarter. Disregard the rocker for now. Just make the door with with the top and side of the rocker, and make the gap between the two as nice as you can. It won't be a perfect gap so don't let it throw you off and don't compromise the fit of the dor with the top and side of the quarter. Now mount the fender and do the same. When the skins all fit well then you essentially are on the home stretch. Even if the gaps are off and the rockers are off, they can be tweaked without to much effort. Tweaking skins to fit is a pita.

Do both sides and get the hood in place. When all that is done get the bumper and front valance on. Those are your last pieces to possibly tweak. The grille is more forgiving to move around but if you have it stick it in there. Take your time, go slow and step away from it often. Once you get through the fitment stuff life gets better.   :2thumbs:
Title: lock jam fix
Post by: mopar4don on November 11, 2016, 09:33:53 PM
So it's time for an update....
While fitting the quarter panel I realized I needed to fix a small detail.
At the bottom corner of the lock jam pillar is a small extension of metal that should wrap under the mating area of the quarter panel.
Title: lock jam fix
Post by: mopar4don on November 11, 2016, 09:34:40 PM
Since the lip of the quarter is really short I decided to fix this area
Title: lock jam fix
Post by: mopar4don on November 11, 2016, 09:36:53 PM
This is a lot better
Title: lock jam fix
Post by: mopar4don on November 11, 2016, 09:38:40 PM
Same fix on the drivers side......
And my 1-1/2 year old grand son approves
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: Baldwinvette77 on November 11, 2016, 10:06:45 PM
Awww  :lol:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: VegasCharger on November 12, 2016, 01:32:14 AM
 :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: Pat1973charger on November 12, 2016, 07:11:45 AM
Stellar work as usual Don. Cute little grandson, my little guy is almost 2 1/2 now and he loves going in the gaage (garage) and helping daddy work on stuff. I figure if I can get him into cars when he's young, when he's a teenager he will be home tinkering instead of getting into trouble. Looking forward to the next update!
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: keepat on November 12, 2016, 07:28:01 AM
Very nice job! I'm sure your grandson would love to drive your Charger in 15 years ;-)
Pat
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on November 12, 2016, 08:06:31 AM
Quote from: Pat1973charger on November 12, 2016, 07:11:45 AM
Stellar work as usual Don. Cute little grandson, my little guy is almost 2 1/2 now and he loves going in the gaage (garage) and helping daddy work on stuff. I figure if I can get him into cars when he's young, when he's a teenager he will be home tinkering instead of getting into trouble. Looking forward to the next update!
Thanks Pat, I'm hoping when he gets a little older he will want to to come over and tinker.

Quote from: keepat on November 12, 2016, 07:28:01 AM
Very nice job! I'm sure your grandson would love to drive your Charger in 15 years ;-)
Pat
Thanks Pat, That would be awesome!
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: Bronzedodge on November 12, 2016, 03:18:36 PM
Awesome work!  You're at the point where I got discouraged with my other Mopar.  Starting to get back into it after reading every sheet metal magazine article for the past 8 years.   
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on November 13, 2016, 01:14:59 PM
Quote from: Bronzedodge on November 12, 2016, 03:18:36 PM
Awesome work!  You're at the point where I got discouraged with my other Mopar.  Starting to get back into it after reading every sheet metal magazine article for the past 8 years.   
Thats just it Bronzedodge. You have to stay with it over the long haul. I may not work on mine every day, but lord willing, I will get it done.
There are lots of things more important than working on these old cars! (I have to remind myself of this from time to time)
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: charger chris on January 15, 2017, 06:49:55 AM
 :popcrn: nice
Title: Side tracked with a motor swap
Post by: mopar4don on February 02, 2017, 10:11:02 PM
This update is long overdue....
Wow it has been a while (almost 3 months) A lot has happened, I will recap.
Just before Christmas I put a new (used) motor in my wifes 2005 Tahoe. Here are a few pics of the motor as I recieved it
Title: Side tracked with a motor swap
Post by: mopar4don on February 02, 2017, 10:12:05 PM
This motor is used and has 75,000 on it. It comes with a 36,000 or 3 year warranty on it.
They go through the motor and test it. But I was quite impressed!
I pulled the valve covers for inspection and it was clean!
Title: Side tracked with a motor swap
Post by: mopar4don on February 02, 2017, 10:13:05 PM
Out with the old...
Title: Side tracked with a motor swap
Post by: mopar4don on February 02, 2017, 10:13:46 PM
Not a lot of room! I sure am glad I built my garage 28 feet deep.
Still not a lot of room! (never big enough)
Title: Side tracked with a motor swap
Post by: mopar4don on February 02, 2017, 10:14:38 PM
I sure am glad I had a couple of helpers, (2 of my sons) They helped a lot! Love you guys!
Title: Side tracked with a motor swap
Post by: mopar4don on February 02, 2017, 10:16:19 PM

here it is, a nice and snug.
Title: Side tracked with a motor swap
Post by: mopar4don on February 02, 2017, 10:18:23 PM
I never did get a completed picture but you guys know what they look like.
The old motor made it to 199428, not bad considering it had (I believe) the infamous castech head crack problem. (the head develops a crack allowing coolant to get in the oil).
It never turned milky but would turn the oil into sludge. I was changing oil every 2000 miles. As long as I did that, the oil did not sludge. If I let it go to 3000 miles, SLUDGE! WEIRD!
I lived with it this way for about 4 years, until one warm autumn day we were one our way camping (towing a 28 footer) when I heard the engine beginning to knock. I check the oil pressure and it is below 20! NOT good. To make a long story short we get it home, I switched vehicles and we finished the weekend camping. I get back and look the truck over, and all is good, a bit low on the oil pressure but it ran fine! You would never know it had a problem. So now I don't trust it and I start looking for a motor .....
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: Baldwinvette77 on February 07, 2017, 10:01:07 PM
Good job with the swap  :cheers: so now you can get back to the charger right?  :drool5:
Title: tool upgrade
Post by: mopar4don on February 14, 2017, 10:32:42 PM
My dremel died AGAIN!
I decided I was not buying another one so I picked up this gem!
Title: tool upgrade
Post by: mopar4don on February 14, 2017, 10:33:34 PM
It's a Dumore grinder, and this thing is BUILT to last!
Here you can see how much beefier it is than the dremel.
Title: tool upgrade
Post by: mopar4don on February 14, 2017, 10:35:03 PM
Here I am, puting it to use, grinding down those pesky hard to reach plug welds
Title: Re: tool upgrade
Post by: green69rt on February 15, 2017, 07:42:55 AM
Quote from: mopar4don on February 14, 2017, 10:32:42 PM
My dremel died AGAIN!
Mine died a couple of times, one time it was just the brushes, the other time it was the switch.  Have you tried fixing it?
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on February 15, 2017, 07:58:54 AM
I still have it, It was like 2 weeks old when it died, so it's probably the switch, The one before this got hot and seized up, so I just didnt want to put more money into it.
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: alfaitalia on February 15, 2017, 08:02:28 AM
Dremels are crap....OK for handy crafts and the like but just not man enough for real work like grinding. Mine are always burning out brushes or overheating!
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on February 15, 2017, 08:07:44 AM
They work great for most things, but if you are running them a lot, then they just don't cut it!
My advise, is to pick up a Dumore, a bit bulkier but WAY worth it. as soon as you turn it on, you can feel the power, (darn thing wants to jump out of your hand)
Title: fender fix
Post by: mopar4don on March 13, 2017, 03:29:32 PM
Update-
I want to get all the panels installed and gapped, then I will go back and start welding everything up. So I will start with the fenders.
I have 4 sets (I know, I know I am a hoarder)  ::) actually I knew some of them were junk so that's why I have so many! :D
This is one that previously was blasted and primed. It is the best pass side that I have, BUT it needs work as shown with the tape marking those areas.
Title: fender fix
Post by: mopar4don on March 13, 2017, 03:30:17 PM
First here is the inside showing some rot on the inner door edge structure
Title: fender fix
Post by: mopar4don on March 13, 2017, 03:30:55 PM
I found a door support that we will use
Title: fender fix
Post by: mopar4don on March 13, 2017, 03:31:27 PM
Here you can see after I blasted the donor structure there was some damage. Easily fixed.
Title: fender fix
Post by: mopar4don on March 13, 2017, 03:32:28 PM
I originally planed on splicing the inner structure, but when I saw the heavy pitting that was behind it I changed my mind and decided to replace the entire structure. This allowed me to be sure the metal behind the structure was good, and that the entire structure that I was putting in was good front and back!
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: Baldwinvette77 on March 13, 2017, 03:37:50 PM
 :popcrn:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: keepat on March 13, 2017, 04:09:20 PM
That had to make you smile seeing the the right side of your Charger look like a Charger again! I hope to hang my fenders soon as well. It's been a few years for both of our cars ;-)
Thanks
Pat
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: tan top on March 14, 2017, 06:38:47 AM
 :popcrn: :popcrn:
Title: fender fix
Post by: mopar4don on April 21, 2017, 03:05:47 PM
Ok I left off with fixing the fender door brace.
Title: fender fix
Post by: mopar4don on April 21, 2017, 03:09:03 PM
Ok now for the really fun stuff!
The pass fender needs some patches made for the front and rear dog legs (front and rear of the wheel)
So I will start at the rear dog leg
Title: fender fix
Post by: mopar4don on April 21, 2017, 03:12:38 PM
So I looked at my junk fender collection for a patch (I have a few  :yesnod:), and took the best I had.
Unfortunately the patch is going to need a patch (IT NEVER ENDS!)  :rotz:
Title: fender fix
Post by: mopar4don on April 21, 2017, 03:15:13 PM
So I found some metal from a junk quarter panel that had the same basic shape AND it had a 90 bend!
Title: fender fix
Post by: mopar4don on April 21, 2017, 03:17:00 PM
After some welding

Title: fender fix
Post by: mopar4don on April 21, 2017, 03:19:14 PM
SO next I need to get the profile a bit closer (the profile along the edge of the door) so I made up some templates and worked in in
Title: fender fix
Post by: mopar4don on April 21, 2017, 03:20:56 PM
Working it in involved a shrinker...
I also used the inner fender support bracket to help get it into position.
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: Baldwinvette77 on April 21, 2017, 07:47:08 PM
Not too many people can say they patched their patch panels!  :2thumbs:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: Pat1973charger on April 22, 2017, 06:31:45 AM
Looks good as usual. I am in the same boat. I have patched a lot of my patch and replacement panels haha
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: Charger_Fan on April 22, 2017, 11:40:35 AM
I see a spot where you could fit one more vice grip clamp in... ;D

Nice work, you're making progress! :2thumbs:
Title: fender fix
Post by: mopar4don on June 05, 2017, 02:50:01 PM
A little update....
Cut off the old rusted through area on the fender.
Title: fender fix
Post by: mopar4don on June 05, 2017, 02:52:02 PM
Here I got the new patch positioned using the inner brace to help
Title: fender fix
Post by: mopar4don on June 05, 2017, 02:56:22 PM
Once I was satisfied with the positioning of the patch I started welding
Title: fender fix
Post by: mopar4don on June 05, 2017, 02:57:43 PM
Here is a pic showing the seam welded and ground On the front and back side. Not real proud of my work as I am still getting sink marks around the weld. Even though I am planishing every weld dot.
Oh well needs a little bumping and filing.
Title: Re: fender fix
Post by: Bronzedodge on June 05, 2017, 05:34:44 PM
Quote from: mopar4don on June 05, 2017, 02:57:43 PM
Even though I am planishing every weld dot.
snip

Don, how are you planishing that spot?  By hand with a hammer and dolley or a power planishing hammer?
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: charger chris on June 24, 2017, 07:48:43 PM
Hello Don
  It was nice meeting you. Thank for working with me on the firewall.  I will put it back on the car where it was cut off. I am trying use all the he pull off of it.
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: CDN72SE on June 24, 2017, 10:32:52 PM
Very nice work, really admire stuff like that.  :2thumbs:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: Stevearino on June 25, 2017, 06:08:57 PM
Some folks have deep pockets that carry them through a resto. I don't think anyone would argue with me that you are working with deep commitment and talent. :2thumbs:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: Charger_Fan on June 28, 2017, 02:05:53 PM
Quote from: Stevearino on June 25, 2017, 06:08:57 PM
Some folks have deep pockets that carry them through a resto. I don't think anyone would argue with me that you are working with deep commitment and talent. :2thumbs:
:iagree: Absolutely!  :cheers:
Title: fender patch
Post by: mopar4don on August 03, 2017, 01:56:43 PM
Next I will be showing how I patched the lower front area of this fender.
Title: fender patch
Post by: mopar4don on August 03, 2017, 01:57:50 PM
I will form the entire lower area cutting it just above the body line (in this view) as shown by the blue line
Title: fender patch
Post by: mopar4don on August 03, 2017, 02:00:58 PM
I have another fender (from a 68 Charger) that is good in this area, so I will be using it as a reference to make templates for this patch.
I started by removing the inner structure from the nose of the fender.
I did this because I thought it would be in the way. And I may fix the 68 fender and sell it at some point.

pic2
This pic shows the area I will be reproducing (hopefully)
Title: fender patch
Post by: mopar4don on August 03, 2017, 02:09:52 PM
So to help with forming this patch panel, I will make a Flexible Shape Pattern or (FSP).
The FSP will be used to compare the patch that will be formed by hammer and shot bag. (more on this later)

I used 3/4 inch wide 3M reinforced tape like this
Title: fender patch
Post by: mopar4don on August 03, 2017, 02:11:42 PM
I started by covering the area with saran wrap. The tape will stick to the saran wrap and allow you to remove it.
Then I started laying the tape. (2 layers at approx 90 degrees to each other)
Title: fender patch
Post by: mopar4don on August 03, 2017, 02:19:20 PM
more pics
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: Baldwinvette77 on August 03, 2017, 02:22:31 PM
Holy shit  :o
Title: fender patch
Post by: mopar4don on August 04, 2017, 09:38:00 AM
Now getting the metal ready for hammering

pic1 I selected some metal from an old quarter panel and used the FSP to get a rough size

pic2 I layed out a grid or sections onto the metal I am trying to duplicate.  

pic3 Then I transferred the intersections to the FSP (flexible shape pattern).

pic4 Then I transferred those intersection cross hairs to the new metal patch
Title: fender patch
Post by: mopar4don on August 04, 2017, 09:40:52 AM
Then I transferred the outer shape to the patch.
Here is a good picture of how well the FSP holds its shape.
Title: fender patch
Post by: mopar4don on August 04, 2017, 10:30:53 AM
So know that I have the rough outer shape and each section line transferred to the metal I have to create section templates along each section line.

pic1 shows an inner and outer template (I made the outer from the orig fender, and figured I might need the inner)

pic2-3 These pics show checking my progress with the templates

pic4 shows a template comparing back to the original fender
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: alfaitalia on August 04, 2017, 11:52:15 AM
Nice...not seen that tape used before. I tend to do that stuff by eye...just copying the other side of the vehicle. Usually works well enough. I also rely on the fact that no-one can see both sides of the vehicle at the same time! Good work as always.
Title: fender fix
Post by: mopar4don on August 07, 2017, 12:31:17 PM
In this pic you can see how I went back and body worked the patch with hammer and dolly
Looks pretty smooth!
Title: fender fix
Post by: mopar4don on August 07, 2017, 12:32:28 PM
Not sure how interested everyone is on how I made this patch. But I am quite proud of it. Especially for my 1st try. I give all the credit to MP&C over at garagejournal.com. This guy is an absolute magician. I learned a LOT just reading through his different threads! I cannot thank him enough! THANKS ROBERT! Please everyone check out his thread and be AMAZED!
https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=182565

And here is the thread were I asked for help on making this patch.
It has much more detail, and the advise MP&C gives is worth sharing!:thankyou:
I don't come in until page 24 post #436
https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=53534
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: Charger-Bodie on August 07, 2017, 12:46:27 PM
Very cool stuff!
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: Troy on August 07, 2017, 01:00:20 PM
That's pretty awesome! And I can try it too - since I'm so slow and still need more patches...

Troy
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on August 07, 2017, 01:15:13 PM
Quote from: Troy on August 07, 2017, 01:00:20 PM
That's pretty awesome! And I can try it too - since I'm so slow and still need more patches...

Troy

I thought I was the slow one!
Title: fender patch
Post by: mopar4don on August 08, 2017, 11:35:25 AM
For those who are interested I will go ahead and finish how I made the patch here. But for a more detailed version go to the link above.

So now that the patch has been formed, it is time to start tipping the edges.
notice the anvil I used to form the 1st tip.
Title: fender patch
Post by: mopar4don on August 08, 2017, 11:38:43 AM
The next tip is where things started to go bad!
You can see it extending from the bottom of the bag, parallel to the bottom edge of the patch.
What I noticed from this tip is it straightened out the curve that runs parallel to the tipped edge.
So not sure what to do I cut the 1st tip off with the idea that I would weld it back on later.

I must admit that after trying this first two tips and it not working. I was so disgusted and not sure what to do that I was ready to quit! :brickwall:

That is until I got a little encouragement from MP&C and I continued on...
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: Charger_Fan on August 08, 2017, 01:41:10 PM
You've already gotten that panel shaped a ton better than I think I ever could. :2thumbs: Robert (MP&C) and others who post on the metal shaping forums make it look SO easy. I tried my hand at some simple forming a while back & just made a total mess of it. So kudos to you for getting it this far! :cheers:

Looking forward to seeing your continued success!
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: orange383 on August 08, 2017, 02:48:30 PM
You are doing a fantastic job on this car. Amazing skill and determination.
I've also been reading Roberts thread over the last few months. It's really inspiring and I've learned a lot from his thread. It's better than watching TV.

Your thread is also very inspiring especially as my Charger likely needs as much work as yours did.

Keep up the good work.

Matt.
Title: fender patch
Post by: mopar4don on October 02, 2017, 09:09:06 AM
Ok I need to get this thread caught up......

Here I started tipping 2 sides and the corner

2nd pic you can see the anvil I used to shape the corner
Title: fender patch
Post by: mopar4don on October 02, 2017, 09:10:15 AM
This corner was a bear! I had to put heat to it and working it over and over until it moved to where I wanted it.
Title: fender patch
Post by: mopar4don on October 02, 2017, 09:11:23 AM
checked the profile, and you can see how far off I am.
Title: fender patch
Post by: mopar4don on October 02, 2017, 09:13:53 AM
So I made up some shrinking pliers
Title: fender patch
Post by: mopar4don on October 02, 2017, 09:15:06 AM
Here you can see I heated the folds up cherry red and I clamped the metal down (this helped hold the tucks when hammering)
Title: fender patch
Post by: mopar4don on October 02, 2017, 09:15:56 AM
Now the profile looks good
Title: fender patch
Post by: mopar4don on October 02, 2017, 09:16:39 AM
here is the other end after a little shrinking as well
Title: fender patch
Post by: mopar4don on October 02, 2017, 09:34:08 AM
The panel is getting close!
Title: fender patch
Post by: mopar4don on October 02, 2017, 09:35:36 AM
So next I want to tip this edge in to be like the original
Title: fender patch
Post by: mopar4don on October 02, 2017, 09:37:10 AM
This is what I used and it worked pretty well. I would clamp at the line and slightly bend it. I didn't know how it was going to work because there is a crown in the panel. I assume it worked because I was only bending a little bit at a time moving back and forth.
Title: fender patch
Post by: mopar4don on October 02, 2017, 10:01:32 AM
looks pretty good
Title: fender patch
Post by: mopar4don on October 02, 2017, 10:05:39 AM
(pic1) Now it's time to cut out the old

(pic2 and pic3) and put in the new (after a lot of fitting)

(pic4) here it is after it is welded in

Overall it turned out pretty well  :2thumbs:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: cdr on October 02, 2017, 10:18:26 AM
 :o  very good  :2thumbs:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: keepat on October 02, 2017, 10:26:47 AM
Nice work Don!
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on October 02, 2017, 10:35:06 AM
Thanks for the compliments CDR and keepat!  :yesnod:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: CDN72SE on October 02, 2017, 11:44:29 AM
Very nice.  :2thumbs:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: Stevearino on October 02, 2017, 12:04:20 PM
Don by the time you are done this car you will be good enough that the only thing you will need to build your next Charger will be pallet of  flat sheet metal. :2thumbs:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: Bronzedodge on October 02, 2017, 04:03:35 PM
This is my favorite thread on the whole board, hands down.   :2thumbs:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: alfaitalia on October 02, 2017, 04:38:59 PM
Great skills there. Beats all the cheese section cutting and welding I would have done to do a similar job!
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: Ghoste on October 03, 2017, 07:12:53 AM
Nice to see this stuff Don, too many nowadays think that if the part can't be found in an AMD catalog then the car cannot be fixed.
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on October 03, 2017, 11:38:26 AM
Thank you very much guys! I am truly humbled by the kind words! :blush2:

There is a draw back to my approach. And that is it takes a newbie like me a long time, but on the up side, it is a whole lot cheaper!
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: tan top on October 03, 2017, 03:44:11 PM
 nice job !!  :2thumbs: :cheers: :yesnod: :popcrn:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: jwells1993 on October 03, 2017, 04:46:55 PM
awesome work!!  :drool5: :cheers:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: VegasCharger on October 04, 2017, 06:28:01 AM
That is very clever work for sure!!!  :2thumbs:

:cheers:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: orange383 on October 05, 2017, 10:36:35 AM
Quote from: mopar4don on October 03, 2017, 11:38:26 AM
Thank you very much guys! I am truly humbled by the kind words! :blush2:

There is a draw back to my approach. And that is it takes a newbie like me a long time, but on the up side, it is a whole lot cheaper!

And very satisfying too I should think. You did a great job there. Thanks for sharing your knowledge Don.
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: Pat1973charger on October 11, 2017, 05:26:36 AM
Great work as usual Don!
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on December 19, 2017, 04:28:05 PM
Ok next area to fix on these fenders is the front nose.
Stay tuned.......
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: Harper on December 19, 2017, 11:10:25 PM
Mr you are my HERO!!! thank you for all of your hard work and dedication in posting pictures of each step of this!!!  :cheers: :drool5: :2thumbs:
Title: fender nose repair
Post by: mopar4don on December 20, 2017, 08:21:32 AM
So what I have is one fender with the nose a bit to blunt (passenger side)
pic1

And the other (driver side) that is just a mess and needs a lot of work (surprise surprise)
pic2
Title: fender nose repair
Post by: mopar4don on December 20, 2017, 10:02:03 AM
I had previously removed the headlight bucket support (pic1)

and because I want NO rust, I went ahead and removed the inner antenna support (pic2-3)

and wheel well brace. These will get blasted and repaired if needed (pic4-5)
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: keepat on December 20, 2017, 02:30:52 PM
Don, Nice work!
Pat
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on December 20, 2017, 02:44:36 PM
Quote from: keepat on December 20, 2017, 02:30:52 PM
Don, Nice work!
Pat
Thanks Pat,
Just trying to keep up with you!
Title: fender nose repair
Post by: mopar4don on December 21, 2017, 01:11:42 PM
So I figured I needed some templates to help me fix the nose of these fenders.
I have another fender that has a good nose so I layed out a grid on it and made templates that would match each grid line or section line. Sorry didn't get a good pic, but you can kind of see the grid in this pic
Title: fender nose repair
Post by: mopar4don on December 21, 2017, 01:14:20 PM
Next I made the templates (each one corresponds to a section line)
Title: fender nose repair
Post by: mopar4don on December 21, 2017, 01:15:13 PM
I then transferred the grid to the fender
Title: fender nose repair
Post by: mopar4don on December 21, 2017, 01:17:29 PM
These next pics show the template along the section line and you will see how far off the metal is. The same templates were used for both fenders. NOTICE how the pics of the grey fender were taken from above looking down. And the pics of the black fender were from below looking up.
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: green69rt on December 21, 2017, 03:31:29 PM
I'm going to make a guess and say that if you bought two new AMD fenders and compared the profile of all five (your three and the two new ones), you would find that they are all different.  I bought a left and right for my 69 and compared to a OEM fender and none matched.  If you want them to match you'll have to chose the one to use as the pattern and match the other.  Things may have changed since I bought mine but I wouldn't count on it.
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on December 21, 2017, 03:39:03 PM
Quote from: green69rt on December 21, 2017, 03:31:29 PM
I'm going to make a guess and say that if you bought two new AMD fenders and compared the profile of all five (your three and the two new ones), you would find that they are all different.  I bought a left and right for my 69 and compared to a OEM fender and none matched.  If you want them to match you'll have to chose the one to use as the pattern and match the other.  Things may have changed since I bought mine but I wouldn't count on it.
Hi Mitch,
I can tell you that they do match each other. That's why I used the template. I wanted something to compare to, and they may as well be consistent. Unlike Ma Mopar did it back in the day, as you noted.
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: orange383 on December 21, 2017, 05:47:44 PM
Very clever using the reference lines. I'll be using that handy little tip on my own Charger!  :2thumbs:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: Stevearino on December 21, 2017, 06:50:34 PM
Don, What I love about this project so far is the amount of sweat equity you have invested. Your ingenuity is refreshing in a store bought world. :cheers:
Title: fender nose repair
Post by: mopar4don on January 04, 2018, 08:15:18 AM
Time to make a patch for the nose of the drivers side
Title: fender nose repair
Post by: mopar4don on January 04, 2018, 08:17:01 AM
Got the inner patch made
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: alfaitalia on January 04, 2018, 08:19:53 AM
That looks familiar ....! If I had a Pound for every patch I've made for mine I would not have to restore this one...I could buy a restored one!!! :lol:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on January 08, 2018, 10:41:08 AM
Quote from: alfaitalia on January 04, 2018, 08:19:53 AM
That looks familiar ....! If I had a Pound for every patch I've made for mine I would not have to restore this one...I could buy a restored one!!! :lol:
Right you are!
Title: fender nose repair
Post by: mopar4don on January 08, 2018, 10:42:09 AM
I had to cut out the bad area in the fender and then use the shrinker to form the outer contour
Title: fender nose repair
Post by: mopar4don on January 08, 2018, 10:43:06 AM
I also added the wrap around shape of the nose to my templates.
Here you can see two more layers that I stapled together. I need this to help me with the shape of the nose and "inner flap patch"
Title: fender nose repair
Post by: mopar4don on January 08, 2018, 10:43:51 AM
In this pic you can see the inner flap and the contour was matched to the outer patch using a stretcher
Title: fender nose repair
Post by: mopar4don on January 08, 2018, 10:45:17 AM
So after fitting the patch, (grind, fit contour, REPEAT, and REPEAT and REPEAT)
I welded it in
Title: fender nose repair
Post by: mopar4don on January 08, 2018, 10:45:59 AM
Once it was welded in I could fit the "inner patch" using the wrap around templates
(I used magnets to hold the patch)
Title: fender nose repair
Post by: mopar4don on January 10, 2018, 11:52:47 AM
So after welding in the nose patch, I noticed a problem in the front profile of the patch
(view as if you were standing at the side of the car)
Title: fender nose repair
Post by: mopar4don on January 10, 2018, 11:56:40 AM
So I made another template from my good fender (view from inside of fender)
pic1

pic2-3 Is the view from outside of the fender
Title: fender nose repair
Post by: mopar4don on January 10, 2018, 11:57:25 AM
No other way but to slice it, and gap it to fit the template
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: 6pkrtse on January 10, 2018, 01:35:42 PM
Awesome work as always.
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on January 10, 2018, 01:57:36 PM
Quote from: 6pkrtse on January 10, 2018, 01:35:42 PM
Awesome work as always.
Thank you, but I should have caught this earlier!
My mistake was not referencing the horizontal templates!
I should have had vertical lines and marks on my templates indicating that vertical line.
Then I would not have had this problem. But sometimes I learn as I go. (I know, I know I learn how to fix my mistakes)
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: keepat on January 10, 2018, 04:35:18 PM
Don, 
Nice looking repair, I don't look at it as a mistake but more like another step in the restoration.  I know I've added a lot of extra steps in my restoration ;-)
Pat
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: BDF on January 11, 2018, 09:00:27 PM
Nice work  :cheers:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: Baldwinvette77 on January 11, 2018, 11:09:28 PM
freaking beautiful, man!  :cheers:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: cdr on January 12, 2018, 01:29:04 AM
 :o  :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: Homerr on January 12, 2018, 11:02:00 AM
Awesome work Don.

I'm hungry for some beans now.
Title: fender nose repair
Post by: mopar4don on January 19, 2018, 03:33:21 PM
The pass side fender was not as bad, I cut the inner flap from the nose (like the drivers side) and ended up making a tool to hammer out the nose.
(sorry no pics of this process)
I did layout the grid and used the same templates to get the nose shape correct.
I took all fender components and blasted them
Title: driver fender
Post by: mopar4don on January 19, 2018, 03:54:57 PM
Ok, next the drivers side fender has this bad area
Title: driver fender
Post by: mopar4don on January 19, 2018, 03:55:42 PM
and I have a 68 junk fender that is good in that area,
Title: driver fender
Post by: mopar4don on January 19, 2018, 03:57:12 PM
so........ a slicing we go
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: darbgnik on January 20, 2018, 10:19:02 PM
Man! This car has come along way!
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: charger chris on January 21, 2018, 04:40:42 AM
Man looking good Don  :popcrn:
Title: fender fix
Post by: mopar4don on January 25, 2018, 07:20:14 PM
Thanks fellas
I got the fenders and related pieces epoxy primed, along with the front valance and subframe connectors
Title: fender fix
Post by: mopar4don on January 25, 2018, 07:24:15 PM
now to put the fenders back together
1st I welded in the cowl/antenna bracket. Before I removed this I had drilled 1/8 holes to help locate it when it goes back together (look by the vise grip) I really do try to think ahead, but sometimes I do overthink things   :yesnod:
Title: fender fix
Post by: mopar4don on January 25, 2018, 07:28:06 PM
Next I welded in the rear brace (no locating holes on this one)
Title: fender fix
Post by: mopar4don on January 25, 2018, 08:16:01 PM
Ok these next few pics are gonna be a little out of sequence, but for now we will stay with the pass side fender.
I welded in the headlight buckets (pilot alignment holes used) and the inner lip of the fender. (Sorry I didnt get enough pics of this) I will show a few more pics of the inner lip on the drivers side fender
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: ht4spd307 on January 26, 2018, 10:39:30 AM
just like a bought one :2thumbs:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: Homerr on January 26, 2018, 11:29:08 AM
More great looking work Don!

Are you going to be satisfied with just driving this car when it's done?  Or are you going to need to buy another to rebuild?!   :laugh:  I just ask because you are so committed to this (and I feel the same about my cars).
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on January 29, 2018, 06:06:26 PM
Quote from: ht4spd307 on January 26, 2018, 10:39:30 AM
just like a bought one :2thumbs:
Thanks thats the idea (I like it to look brand new)

Quote from: Homerr on January 26, 2018, 11:29:08 AM
More great looking work Don!

Are you going to be satisfied with just driving this car when it's done?  Or are you going to need to buy another to rebuild?!   :laugh:  I just ask because you are so committed to this (and I feel the same about my cars).
Right now I would I would like to do another build, but we will see how I feel when I get this done! :scratchchin:
Title: fender fix
Post by: mopar4don on January 29, 2018, 06:07:53 PM
As promised here are some pics of the driver side showing how I did that inner lip.

So here you can see I used those alignment holes and screws to hold the bucket and inner lip patch. I did check the shape with my profile templates (which was good)
Title: fender fix
Post by: mopar4don on January 29, 2018, 06:09:01 PM
So I took it apart and prepped the metal for welding and tacked it together
Title: fender fix
Post by: mopar4don on January 29, 2018, 06:10:21 PM
then I added these two wings to make it like it was originally
Title: fender fix
Post by: mopar4don on January 29, 2018, 06:12:31 PM
Welded in the front support
Title: fender fix
Post by: mopar4don on January 29, 2018, 06:15:03 PM
Finished fender and its on the car! :yesnod:  :thumbs:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: JB400 on January 29, 2018, 06:16:27 PM
Looks good. :cheers:  Have we picked a colour for this project yet? :popcrn:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: cdr on January 29, 2018, 06:27:57 PM
 :o :o :o :o   OUTSTANDING !!!!!!   :2thumbs:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: birdsandbees on January 29, 2018, 06:56:04 PM
Great stuff Don !!  :2thumbs:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on January 29, 2018, 08:15:55 PM
Quote from: JB400 on January 29, 2018, 06:16:27 PM
Looks good. :cheers:  Have we picked a colour for this project yet? :popcrn:
Thanks JB, color well it was originaly T7 with a white vinyl top, so we will see. I like the this color

Quote from: cdr on January 29, 2018, 06:27:57 PM
:o :o :o :o   OUTSTANDING !!!!!!   :2thumbs:
Thanks Charlie

Quote from: birdsandbees on January 29, 2018, 06:56:04 PM
Great stuff Don !!  :2thumbs:
Thank you sir.

I am still tring to get this thread up to date
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: Bronzedodge on January 29, 2018, 11:32:05 PM
When you are done you could hold master classes for restoration.  Awesome work man!   :cheers: :2thumbs:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: keepat on January 30, 2018, 08:45:24 PM
Don,
Nice work on the fenders!!
Pat
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: Dino on January 30, 2018, 08:59:23 PM
Fantastic work Don, it's a joy to watch your wizardry at work. You should be beaming with pride. You can't buy that!
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on January 31, 2018, 05:51:29 PM
Quote from: Bronzedodge on January 29, 2018, 11:32:05 PM
When you are done you could hold master classes for restoration.  Awesome work man!   :cheers: :2thumbs:
who me??? thats funny  :rofl:


Quote from: keepat on January 30, 2018, 08:45:24 PM
Don,
Nice work on the fenders!!
Pat
Thanks Pat

Quote from: Dino on January 30, 2018, 08:59:23 PM
Fantastic work Don, it's a joy to watch your wizardry at work. You should be beaming with pride. You can't buy that!

It is because of you guys (DC.com members) and all your help.
Title: inner doors
Post by: mopar4don on February 10, 2018, 08:26:17 PM
It's time for another update.

The last thing on the list (I HOPE) before I can start welding everything is the doors.
Now with 3 sets of doors to choose from, you would think I could get one decent set? AH NO!
I won't bore you with a bunch of pics, but I ended up de-skining each door, looking for something to use. I ended up buying AMD door skins and picking the best inner doors I could. Unfortunately they needed patching.
SO HERE WE GO AGAIN
Both inner's need new metal along the bottom, so I bent some strips up and went to work.
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: birdsandbees on February 10, 2018, 08:32:33 PM
 :2thumbs: :yesnod:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: Bronzedodge on February 11, 2018, 12:12:32 PM
Bravo man!  I admire your dedication.   :cheers: :cheers:

:popcrn:
Title: inner doors
Post by: mopar4don on February 17, 2018, 06:36:44 PM
more pics of fixing inner door metal

pic3 Measured and transfered the holes for the door seal
Title: inner doors
Post by: mopar4don on March 27, 2018, 12:51:17 PM
OK, I epoxy primed the inner doors and reinstalled the door reinforcement plates and internal brackets
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: birdsandbees on March 27, 2018, 01:13:07 PM
As I said over there... you're doing some GREAT metal work Don! Keep making progress..  :2thumbs:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on March 27, 2018, 01:27:18 PM
Quote from: birdsandbees on March 27, 2018, 01:13:07 PM
As I said over there... you're doing some GREAT metal work Don! Keep making progress..  :2thumbs:
Thank you sir! I work on it a couple of hours at a time!
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: birdsandbees on March 27, 2018, 02:01:00 PM
Quote from: mopar4don on March 27, 2018, 01:27:18 PM
Thank you sir! I work on it a couple of hours at a time!

Better than what I've spent the last 4 days on.. Corporate tax returns..  :brickwall:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on March 27, 2018, 02:12:19 PM
Quote from: birdsandbees on March 27, 2018, 02:01:00 PM
Quote from: mopar4don on March 27, 2018, 01:27:18 PM
Thank you sir! I work on it a couple of hours at a time!

Better than what I've spent the last 4 days on.. Corporate tax returns..  :brickwall:

YOU GOT ME THERE!  :eek2:
Title: door repair
Post by: mopar4don on March 30, 2018, 12:13:42 PM
Look what the big brown truck brought me! My AMD door skins! And they look good!
Title: door repair
Post by: mopar4don on March 30, 2018, 12:16:09 PM
I had to remove these brackets from the top window edge of the old door skins
*Note how they were located with the notch
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: orange383 on April 01, 2018, 04:10:41 PM
Real good work going on here! I'm always checking for updates on this thread!
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: CDN72SE on April 01, 2018, 05:30:49 PM
Always enjoy your work, keep it up.
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on April 02, 2018, 11:33:34 AM
Quote from: orange383 on April 01, 2018, 04:10:41 PM
Real good work going on here! I'm always checking for updates on this thread!
Thank you sir. I just wish I could go faster!

Quote from: CDN72SE on April 01, 2018, 05:30:49 PM
Always enjoy your work, keep it up.
Thanks
Title: door repair
Post by: mopar4don on May 02, 2018, 03:12:22 PM
So once I got them were I liked them I welded them in.
(I had to assemble the glass and vent wing to make sure they were in position)
Title: door repair
Post by: mopar4don on May 02, 2018, 03:14:33 PM
Then I punched some holes in around the perimeter of the door skin (for plug welding)
pic1

Next I installed the sound deadening pads
pic2-3
Title: door repair
Post by: mopar4don on May 02, 2018, 03:16:31 PM
And then I installed the skin, bending over the lip.
I used a hammer and dolly, and a hockey puck for a dolly. I was very careful bending a little at a time. Checking my progress along the bottom with a straight edge. (level)
Title: door repair
Post by: mopar4don on May 02, 2018, 03:17:10 PM
I will hold off on welding the door skin until I get all of the panels on and fitted. This will give me a little bit of adjustment with the skin.
It all turned out very well!   :2thumbs:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: Stevearino on May 02, 2018, 03:57:59 PM
Amazing to see how far you have come Don. This is really starting to take shape. Note of caution. Don't lean too hard on those doors. My AMD skins were very weak compared to the spring steel that the old stuff was made out of. I understand that softer metal is used to preserve the life of the dies and they look great. I am also grateful they make the dang things. Just saying when I was buffing out my roof my thigh made an impression on the door that I had to work out very carefully after the finish paint. Awesome job as always.  :cheers: :cheers:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: cdr on May 02, 2018, 04:19:57 PM
As always, AWESOME work Don !!!!!   :2thumbs:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: keepat on May 02, 2018, 06:34:05 PM
Great job Don! Looks awesome!
Pat
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on May 03, 2018, 06:05:08 AM
Quote from: Stevearino on May 02, 2018, 03:57:59 PM
Amazing to see how far you have come Don. This is really starting to take shape. Note of caution. Don't lean too hard on those doors. My AMD skins were very weak compared to the spring steel that the old stuff was made out of. I understand that softer metal is used to preserve the life of the dies and they look great. I am also grateful they make the dang things. Just saying when I was buffing out my roof my thigh made an impression on the door that I had to work out very carefully after the finish paint. Awesome job as always.  :cheers: :cheers:
WOW, I had no idea the steel was different. But what you say about the softer metal preserving the dies does make sense.
I will keep this in mind when working around the body panels. Thank you so much!!

Quote from: cdr on May 02, 2018, 04:19:57 PM
As always, AWESOME work Don !!!!!   :2thumbs:
Much appreciated

Quote from: keepat on May 02, 2018, 06:34:05 PM
Great job Don! Looks awesome!
Pat
Thank you Pat
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: hemi-hampton on May 04, 2018, 10:26:34 PM
Wow, That's a lot of work on one car. Luckily you can do it yourself instead of having to pay some one. Curious if you know how many hours you have into it or if your even keeping track. Nice work. LEON.
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on May 05, 2018, 07:02:49 AM
Quote from: hemi-hampton on May 04, 2018, 10:26:34 PM
Wow, That's a lot of work on one car. Luckily you can do it yourself instead of having to pay some one. Curious if you know how many hours you have into it or if your even keeping track. Nice work. LEON.
Thanks Leon,
When I started this project I knew what I was getting into..... well maybe I thought I knew what I was getting into :o
It has been a real eye opener for me, especially when I think about how much time it takes to get something done! Like redoing the fenders, I think that took me all winter! 4+ months  :icon_smile_blackeye:  so to answer your question, I have not kept track of hours, but it seems like a LOT!
Don
Title: steering column assembly
Post by: mopar4don on July 25, 2018, 10:03:03 AM
Update-
I layed out my steering column parts to reassemble.

note: I used this article to help me in reassembly
http://moparconnectionmagazine.com/...-restoration-turn-signal-switch-installation/
Title: steering column assembly
Post by: mopar4don on July 25, 2018, 10:05:34 AM
pic1   I then inserted the tube into the column and slid the spring over the end

pic2-3     then I slid the lower bearing on and bolted it up
Title: steering column assembly
Post by: mopar4don on July 25, 2018, 10:07:38 AM
Next I inserted the shaft. Don't do it like I did or you will have to unbolt the lower bearing and slide it over the shaft and then re-bolt it to the column (because of the drive dogs on the shaft)  :brickwall:
Title: steering column assembly
Post by: mopar4don on July 25, 2018, 10:11:12 AM
pic 1    This side of the column is most of the work

pic 2    First the lower collar goes on

pic 3    then the upper

pic 4    here are the parts we need to assemble
Title: steering column assembly
Post by: mopar4don on July 25, 2018, 10:16:00 AM
pic1     start with the c-clip (this helps to prevent the upper bearing from going to far)

pic2     next on is the upper bearing. (I applied a light coat of grease to help it slide)

pic3     next I carefully tapped the bearing into place.
           In this pic I used the old bearing against the new bearing along with a deep well socket, this way I was pushing on the inner race.

Title: steering column assembly
Post by: mopar4don on July 25, 2018, 10:22:21 AM
pic1-3    next is the upper retaining clip

pic4       then the bearing insulator goes on over the bearing

pic5       next is the hardest part! bolting the collars together. This may take a lot of trial and error to get it right
Title: steering column assembly
Post by: mopar4don on July 25, 2018, 10:24:58 AM
pic1   then the turn signal switch goes in held by the retainer

pic2   next I put the wire cover on

pic3   and the lower black plastic cover
Title: steering column assembly
Post by: mopar4don on July 25, 2018, 10:27:33 AM
Now for the wiring the new plug.
I referred back to pics I had when I disassembled the plug and to be absolutely sure I looked at the schematic to be sure the way it was correct!
Title: steering column assembly
Post by: mopar4don on July 25, 2018, 10:30:00 AM
pic1    Then I bolted on the column bracket

pic2    and put on a temporary steering wheel and the firewall bracket and wrapped it up in plastic and put it away for safe keeping.
          I will put the rag joint on when it goes in the car.
Title: Re: steering column assembly
Post by: CDN72SE on July 25, 2018, 11:37:54 AM
Quote from: mopar4don on July 25, 2018, 10:03:03 AM
Update-
I layed out my steering column parts to reassemble.

note: I used this article to help me in reassembly
http://moparconnectionmagazine.com/...-restoration-turn-signal-switch-installation/

http://moparconnectionmagazine.com/switched-on-mopar-steering-column-restoration-turn-signal-switch-installation/ (http://moparconnectionmagazine.com/switched-on-mopar-steering-column-restoration-turn-signal-switch-installation/)

Very nice write up and pictures in your build.  :2thumbs:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on July 25, 2018, 12:21:58 PM
thanks CDN
Title: Re: steering column assembly
Post by: VegasCharger on July 25, 2018, 12:31:52 PM
Quote from: mopar4don on July 25, 2018, 10:22:21 AM
pic1-3    next is the upper retaining clip

pic4       then the bearing insulator goes on over the bearing

pic5       next is the hardest part! bolting the collars together. This may take a lot of trial and error to get it right

Boy, ain't that the truth!

Nice work Don. :2thumbs:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on July 25, 2018, 12:34:27 PM
Thank you sir
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on August 23, 2018, 02:01:08 PM
Here are some before and after pics of the door mechanism hardware.
I used Evaporust to clean them up. To finish them off I touched them up with steel wool, and coated them with RPM
Title: grill resto
Post by: mopar4don on September 13, 2018, 11:16:04 AM
I started the tear down and restoration of my grill. This is what I started with.
It looks good from 40 feet, but it has some problems that need fixing.
Title: grill resto
Post by: mopar4don on September 13, 2018, 11:17:51 AM
more...
Title: grill resto
Post by: mopar4don on September 13, 2018, 11:19:00 AM
I have an extra set of doors, but as you can see, the drivers side stops are broken off. From what I understand this is a common problem.
Apparently with the weight of the badges its to much and eventually they break off.
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: timmycharger on September 13, 2018, 11:20:23 AM
Good starting point on your grille!


Check out page 10 of my build, I used methods I found from here on the site!


http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,119572.0.html
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on September 13, 2018, 12:38:44 PM
Thanks timmycharger, I will check it out
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: Stevearino on September 14, 2018, 06:45:08 PM
You are leaving no stone unturned Don. Very thorough . :yesnod: :yesnod: :yesnod:
Title: grill resto
Post by: mopar4don on October 19, 2018, 09:12:00 AM
Here is a pic of the pass side bucket and where it broke
Title: grill resto
Post by: mopar4don on October 19, 2018, 09:13:37 AM
So my plan was to prep all of the plastic pieces (I used a dremel to 45 all edges and crack lines. I also drilled a hole at the end of the crack. This will stop the crack from continuing) and then to create a slurry using ABS shavings and acetone. Then using the slurry to fill in all of the cracks and holes.
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: timmycharger on October 19, 2018, 09:54:11 AM
 :cheers:  Great idea with the holes and using the dremel!  With the Slurry, if you can find an air tight container, you can leave it in there and use it later on as it will still stay fresh as long as no air gets to it.  :Twocents:
Title: grill resto
Post by: mopar4don on November 30, 2018, 08:52:01 AM
So i had some problems with the ABS slurry not sticking to the original plastic. And had to come up with a new plan.
Other people have used a 2 part epoxy with good success, so after a friend recommended 3M semi rigid plastic repair
I went ahead with it.
Title: grill resto
Post by: mopar4don on November 30, 2018, 08:55:22 AM
I started with the easy areas and gradually worked up to the harder spots.
Title: grill resto
Post by: mopar4don on November 30, 2018, 09:11:51 AM
So the drivers side bucket was a challenge. It had a piece that was completely broken.
pic1

The challenge was how to hold it at the 90 degree end
seen in pic2
Title: grill resto
Post by: mopar4don on November 30, 2018, 09:22:35 AM
This is what I came up with.
pic1-2
I used small pieces of sheet metal for "backers" to help locate the common surface, and it would allow me to clamp it.
Down in that corner I bent a piece of sheet metal into a 90 so that it would span the joint and I could clamp it.

pic3 a view from the back side
Title: grill resto
Post by: mopar4don on November 30, 2018, 11:05:10 AM
So now that I am happy about the way it clamped up I am ready to apply the 3M plastic filler.
My idea is to un-clamp one side and gently opened the gap then applied the 3M plastic filler, then closed the gap back up and re-clamp it.
To keep the filler from seeping through and bonding with the sheet metal, I put some wax paper between the sheet metal and the repair.

pic1 - shows the back side of one joint (I applied the filler here 1st then waited a day to be sure it was dry, then applied the filler to the 90 degree joint)

pic2 - shows the back side of the 90 degree joint

Title: grill resto
Post by: mopar4don on November 30, 2018, 11:29:31 AM
So after the 3M filler dried, I removed the clamps and metal backer, and then applied the filler to the other side of the joint (where it was previously covered by the metal backer) Sorry no pics of this

pic1 - Here is a pic after I rough sanded the joint (the clamps are there for the next step)

pic2 - shows the sheet metal backer clamped to the bucket

pic3 - backside view

pic4 - shows me fitting the missing piece that I salvaged from an extra broken up grill I have
Title: grill resto
Post by: mopar4don on November 30, 2018, 11:36:51 AM
I was having some warping issues so I put a little english on it by taping it up

pic2 - Here you can see that missing piece

So after I was happy with the way everything fit I went ahead and applied the 3M filler like before (sorry no pics)
Title: grill resto
Post by: mopar4don on November 30, 2018, 11:43:14 AM
The next area was the broken mounting brackets. One on the center section, and one on the bucket.
I used modeling clay to form the area to repair.

pic1-2 shows the clay on the center section

pic3 - shows the clay on the bucket

pic4 - shows the filler pooled into the clay
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: Lennard on November 30, 2018, 01:04:09 PM
Great job :2thumbs:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: Ryan.C on November 30, 2018, 01:25:26 PM
I love the clay trick! I wish I would have gone that route when I did my grill, it would have been a lot easier and cleaner final product.

Good job!  :2thumbs:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: birdsandbees on November 30, 2018, 01:51:36 PM
Nice again Don! Neat that we've both been playing with clay this week!!  :yesnod:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: VegasCharger on December 01, 2018, 05:55:28 AM
Excellent work Don!!!  :2thumbs:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: Charger-Bodie on December 01, 2018, 07:34:24 AM
3m 4240 is what I prefer to use too.
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: Stevearino on December 01, 2018, 08:20:25 PM
As always. I am astonished at your patient attention to the details. Very rewarding to watch.
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on December 03, 2018, 08:49:21 AM
Quote from: Lennard on November 30, 2018, 01:04:09 PM
Great job :2thumbs:
Thank you Lennard

Quote from: Ryan.C on November 30, 2018, 01:25:26 PM
I love the clay trick! I wish I would have gone that route when I did my grill, it would have been a lot easier and cleaner final product.

Good job!  :2thumbs:

Thanks Ryan, On my 1st attempt (with ABS shaving slurry) I did one of these bracket areas. I used wood to dam up the areas.... anyway that was a mess to cleanup compared to the clay!

Quote from: birdsandbees on November 30, 2018, 01:51:36 PM
Nice again Don! Neat that we've both been playing with clay this week!!  :yesnod:

I have to come clean with you. This grill resto was started about 10 months ago! I am really bad at keeping this thread up to date! :shruggy:
But yes we both have experience working with clay.

Quote from: VegasCharger on December 01, 2018, 05:55:28 AM
Excellent work Don!!!  :2thumbs:
Thanks

Quote from: Charger-Bodie on December 01, 2018, 07:34:24 AM
3m 4240 is what I prefer to use too.
Nice to know someone else has used the same "plastic glue" have you had any issues with it?

Quote from: Stevearino on December 01, 2018, 08:20:25 PM
As always. I am astonished at your patient attention to the details. Very rewarding to watch.


Thanks Stevo, I will try and get this thread up to date, and do better in the future!
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: Hemidog on December 13, 2018, 09:17:35 AM
Just went through this whole thread, awesome work, and looks like a labor of love  :cheers: :popcrn:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on December 13, 2018, 09:27:00 AM
Thanks Dog!
Well I don't know about a labor of love...., all I can say is I really enjoy getting out in the garage, tuning in to my favorite preachin or worship music,
and working on the car!
Title: grill resto
Post by: mopar4don on December 14, 2018, 09:47:04 AM
So once the mounting brackets dried I sanded them down to shape and used a hot stapler to add strength to the joint

pic1- Here is a pic of the hot stapler (I used this on every broken joint, more on those after I fix the ear)

pic 2-4 shows the staples melted into the plastic

After the staples were set, I clipped them off and ground them down flush. I then put another coat of 3M plastic filler on, then sanded back down to clean them up (sorry no pics of this)

Title: grill resto
Post by: mopar4don on December 14, 2018, 09:54:35 AM
The next area to fix is the drivers side dog ear.

pic1 - What I did was transfer the pass side outer perimeter to some graph paper.

pic2 - then I transferred that into a cad-cam system,

Title: grill resto
Post by: mopar4don on December 14, 2018, 09:58:44 AM
and using the cam system cut the shape into a block of ABS,
*NOTE*I mirror imaged the shape to get the driver side
Title: grill resto
Post by: mopar4don on December 14, 2018, 10:01:40 AM
Next I made some section templates of the pass ear (flipping them gives me the drivers side)
and started whittling away material until the template was close
Title: grill resto
Post by: mopar4don on December 14, 2018, 10:03:27 AM
So far so good!
Title: grill resto
Post by: mopar4don on December 14, 2018, 02:23:42 PM
Now that I have the rough shape of the ear done it's time to see how to mate it to the bucket.
Title: grill resto
Post by: mopar4don on December 14, 2018, 02:25:21 PM
Now that I have it close, I need to whittle a profile into the bucket that will accept my patch better than the jagged edge left, when the ear was broke off
Title: grill resto
Post by: mopar4don on December 14, 2018, 02:28:38 PM
To double check the attitude of the ear.(pitch or yaw for you airplane fans) I came up with a position fixture.

Sorry I did not get any pics, but basically I positioned the PASS side bucket onto a sheet of plywood and
shimmed the bucket up using a block of wood,(2x4) Till I got the ear to lay flat (as my patch is flat on the bottom)
So now that the bucket is shimmed up so that the bottom of the ear is flat on the plywood.
I transferred all outer edges down to the plywood.

Now I have to MIRROR image everything to get an accurate position for my ear
Hope this makes sense!

Anyway here is the paper with the mirror imaged outer edge of the ear
Title: grill resto
Post by: mopar4don on December 14, 2018, 02:29:29 PM
and the ear "patch" in position
Title: grill resto
Post by: mopar4don on December 14, 2018, 02:30:52 PM
So once I was happy with the position and how the seams fit, I v-notched all the joints and pushed a bunch of hot staples into it
Title: grill resto
Post by: mopar4don on December 14, 2018, 02:32:06 PM
Then I ground off the studs and filled all the joints with 3M plastic filler
Title: grill resto
Post by: mopar4don on December 14, 2018, 02:32:53 PM
Here is the best pic I have of the finished ear
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: JB400 on December 16, 2018, 09:01:40 AM
Looks pretty good :2thumbs:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: keepat on December 16, 2018, 10:53:12 AM
Very nice job!!
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: nvrbdn on December 16, 2018, 11:28:47 AM
Wow, How have I never seen this thread. What an amazing job of posting step by step repairs. I just spent a good bit of a morning going through this entire thread. It reads like a great restoration book. I have been glued to it.  Thanks for the time you are investing to allow others to follow so closely with how each aspect of the process is completed.
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: XH29N0G on December 16, 2018, 02:42:04 PM
This is really impressive.  Thank you for sharing.  I realized that I have been looking at these threads for a long time, but never added my thank you. 
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on December 18, 2018, 09:10:50 AM
Quote from: keepat on December 16, 2018, 10:53:12 AM
Very nice job!!

Thanks Pat!

Quote from: nvrbdn on December 16, 2018, 11:28:47 AM
Wow, How have I never seen this thread. What an amazing job of posting step by step repairs. I just spent a good bit of a morning going through this entire thread. It reads like a great restoration book. I have been glued to it.  Thanks for the time you are investing to allow others to follow so closely with how each aspect of the process is completed.
Your comment is exactly how I felt when I 1st came across this awesome forum and the restorations I found within the site. I couldnt wait to read more.
This site (and a couple of others) is what gave me the courage to attempt to restore my Charger!


Quote from: XH29N0G on December 16, 2018, 02:42:04 PM
This is really impressive.  Thank you for sharing.  I realized that I have been looking at these threads for a long time, but never added my thank you. 
You are welcome my friend!
Title: grill resto
Post by: mopar4don on December 18, 2018, 09:16:46 AM
Again, Thank you all for the encouragement!

And just so everyone knows, All of the broken joints have staples.
They should add a lot of strength, and hopefully help to hold it all together.

Here is a couple of pics
Title: grill resto
Post by: mopar4don on January 05, 2019, 12:13:03 PM
Ok the next thing to fix is the drivers side headlight door stop.
Apparently this is commonly broken. Why it happens on the drivers side only? Maybe because it is a little heavier than the passenger side because of the emblems? Or possibly to much pressure from the vacuum actuators.... who knows. All I know is, I don't want it to break again. So I decided to make the stop out of steel! (another member did this, I don't recall who, but thank you)

    Here is a comparison of passenger and drivers headlight doors with the missing stop
Title: grill resto
Post by: mopar4don on January 08, 2019, 04:10:42 PM
I started out by making templates of the pass side stop. Just flip the templates over and you have the drivers side.
So I did a bit of cutting and bending then clamping and test fitting
Title: grill resto
Post by: mopar4don on January 08, 2019, 04:12:41 PM
So I needed a way to hold it on so I kind of boxed the one side in
Title: grill resto
Post by: mopar4don on January 08, 2019, 04:14:39 PM
So I realized the metal piece that I added on the back side was NOT going to work!
With it on, I would never be able to get it off!
So I removed it, and added this two pieces
Title: grill resto
Post by: mopar4don on January 08, 2019, 04:15:38 PM
Here is what I have so far. And comparing to the pass side... I am in the ballpark
Title: grill resto
Post by: mopar4don on January 08, 2019, 04:17:08 PM
So after a LOT more fitting this is what I ended up with
Title: grill resto
Post by: mopar4don on January 08, 2019, 04:17:54 PM
So I plan on panel bonding it and using a couple of rivets to secure it.
Hopefully it will hold! :yesnod:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: Hemidog on January 09, 2019, 01:54:58 AM
Awesome fabrication  :cheers:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: nvrbdn on January 09, 2019, 09:53:07 AM
Nice work.  :cheers:
Title: grill resto
Post by: mopar4don on January 15, 2019, 08:15:13 AM
Thanks guys.

Now it's time for some paint.
I got the brackets epoxy primed and the rest of the parts in primer.
Title: grill resto
Post by: mopar4don on January 15, 2019, 08:20:06 AM
If you look closely at the 3rd pic you can see the rivet on the metal door stop
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: Fonzy on January 15, 2019, 01:12:25 PM
Very nice work :2thumbs: First time I've heard of a hot stapler to be honest but I might need one. Seems like a really handy acquisition.
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: Stevearino on January 15, 2019, 07:30:48 PM
Reminds me of those people who restore old paintings sitting there working one square inch at a time with various solvents and such. This is what it means to Restore something. Love it Don.
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: TexasGeneral on January 15, 2019, 11:12:24 PM
When I first saw I thought you were making a mold to cast new plastic ears.. Never thought to just make new ones from metal :scratchchin:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on January 16, 2019, 06:39:51 AM
Quote from: Fonzy on January 15, 2019, 01:12:25 PM
Very nice work :2thumbs: First time I've heard of a hot stapler to be honest but I might need one. Seems like a really handy acquisition.

It belongs to a friend... Thanks Rafael! And it worked VERY well!

Quote from: Stevearino on January 15, 2019, 07:30:48 PM
Reminds me of those people who restore old paintings sitting there working one square inch at a time with various solvents and such. This is what it means to Restore something. Love it Don.

That is pretty much what I am doing, going over every square inch of this car!

Quote from: TexasGeneral on January 15, 2019, 11:12:24 PM
When I first saw I thought you were making a mold to cast new plastic ears.. Never thought to just make new ones from metal :scratchchin:

I just thought that a metal ear would be stronger. I just hope what it hits when the door closes can take the shock!
Title: grill resto
Post by: mopar4don on January 16, 2019, 11:07:15 AM
Next the silver/grey was put on
Title: grill resto
Post by: mopar4don on January 23, 2019, 03:02:38 PM
Here the grill has been masked off and is ready for some black
Title: grill resto
Post by: mopar4don on January 23, 2019, 03:05:32 PM
AND NOW It's FINALLY DONE!!!! :yesnod:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: birdsandbees on January 23, 2019, 05:19:34 PM
VERY nice Don! You want to come up and do my Bee grill while I go ice fishing for a week!!??  :yesnod: :scratchchin: :lol:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on January 24, 2019, 07:21:01 AM
Quote from: birdsandbees on January 23, 2019, 05:19:34 PM
VERY nice Don! You want to come up and do my Bee grill while I go ice fishing for a week!!??  :yesnod: :scratchchin: :lol:

Thank you sir.
But I have a better idea. How about I come up there, we both take a brake, and go ice fishing?
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: 72gy8se on January 25, 2019, 11:37:36 PM
Very nice work sir. thanks for sharing :2thumbs:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: Fonzy on January 26, 2019, 09:48:34 AM
That looks very nice, terrific work!
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: lexxman on February 09, 2019, 08:43:07 PM
That's some nice work. :2thumbs:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: tan top on February 09, 2019, 08:53:38 PM
   :coolgleamA: :2thumbs:
Title: Floor pans
Post by: mopar4don on March 28, 2019, 01:44:51 PM
Time to work on the floor pans!
The 1st thing I have to do is patch the rear seat pan.
Title: Floor pans
Post by: mopar4don on March 28, 2019, 01:46:30 PM
then transfer the patch to a piece of sheet metal
Title: Floor pans
Post by: mopar4don on March 28, 2019, 01:48:45 PM
bend the wing up

Then I put an offset in the sheet metal  (were the black line is)
Title: Floor pans
Post by: mopar4don on March 28, 2019, 01:52:02 PM
here is the patch tacked in
Title: Floor pans
Post by: mopar4don on March 28, 2019, 01:53:08 PM
and it's all done
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: darbgnik on March 28, 2019, 11:03:32 PM
Top notch skills.

I still can't get over the Coronet you erased from the histories!
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: orange383 on March 29, 2019, 05:12:44 AM
Good job!
Title: Floor pans
Post by: mopar4don on April 02, 2019, 12:53:31 PM
Thanks guys... And what was left of that Coronet will live on in this Charger :2thumbs:

Here you can see the pans fit great
Title: Floor pans
Post by: mopar4don on April 02, 2019, 12:58:38 PM
Transfered the edge of the framerails to the pan so I could drill the holes for plug welding.
Title: Floor pans
Post by: mopar4don on April 02, 2019, 01:00:01 PM
Sprayed the weld thru primer on everything
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on April 02, 2019, 01:02:52 PM
Then I did a LOT of plug welding  :yesnod:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: chapel40 on April 04, 2019, 12:44:08 AM
Man!! You are very patient and talented!! :popcrn:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: tan top on April 05, 2019, 06:10:16 AM
 :coolgleamA: :2thumbs: :popcrn:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on December 06, 2019, 03:28:15 PM
Sorry I haven't done any updates on the restoration.


My family recently mourned the loss of my 7 month old grand daughter.

She was absolutely perfect in every way! She had a smile that just drew you to her! When she smiled her whole body smiled, especially those big beautiful eyes!

Saying good bye to a loved one has been hard. But seeing your son and daughter-in-law say good bye to there baby girl is the worst thing I have been through.

I have questions that no-one can answer.

But I have faith that she is with my lord and savior Jesus. And one day, I will see her again!
And even though our hearts have a hole that she once filled,
I thank GOD that he brought her into our lives.

I miss you, and I LOVE YOU "PIPES"
your Gre-pa


My son posted this song and I thought I would share it along with a picture

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ce5I8f95WEA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ce5I8f95WEA)
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: Charger-Bodie on December 06, 2019, 04:54:30 PM
Sorry for your terrible loss. So sad
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: birdsandbees on December 06, 2019, 05:16:27 PM
As I said elsewhere Don, Life just isn't fair !  I, unfortunately, fully understand the grief of losing a child and have a good idea where your mind is these days. Gonna take a lot of time, but your car restoration is a good place to spend it!   :yesnod:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: BLK 68 R/T on December 06, 2019, 06:05:39 PM
So sorry to hear. Prayers to you and your family.
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: Stevearino on December 06, 2019, 06:47:31 PM
Oh my Don. I have a 2 1/2 year old grand son and can only  imagine your grief. Knowing you are a man of faith helps me to know you have something to hold on to in what must seem like an unimaginably cruel event. I am so sorry for your loss and the tragedy for your son and daughter-in-law have had to endure. There are no words.
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: JB400 on December 06, 2019, 11:24:07 PM
Sorry to hear this. :pity:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: oldgold69 on December 07, 2019, 12:04:48 AM
sorry for yours and your son and his wives loss  its hard for you to understand why  but just be there for your son and his wife  you and your family will be in my prayers   jim
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: djcarguy on December 07, 2019, 09:30:53 AM
So very sorry to hear of your family's big loss.sure a cute little angel girl .What Jim said above keep a good eye on all your family,son an wife have a lot to work thru.Seems couples that lose a child greive an deal with it at different times an heal at diff rate. Do they have other kids?

        All our hearts an prayers are with you all.God bless an keep you all .  david  DJ on here 
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: Bronzedodge on December 13, 2019, 05:58:09 AM
Sorry for your and your family's loss, Don.
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: tan top on December 13, 2019, 06:13:43 AM
 oh no ! sorry to hear this
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: kent on December 13, 2019, 08:57:46 AM
I'm so sorry for your families loss Don.
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: VegasCharger on December 13, 2019, 11:21:04 PM
OMG Don so sad.  :( :(

You take all the time you need for healing. Keep being there for your son & daughter-in-law.

Eventually you find your way back to your passion. And if your emotions get in the way, throw the tools down and go back to more healing.

My prayers go out to you, your son, your daughter-in-law and family.

Your grand daughter is an Angel  :angel:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: chargermick on December 20, 2019, 07:39:42 PM
So sorry for your loss. What a beautiful little girl! You and your family will be in our prayers.
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: Pat1973charger on December 28, 2019, 01:53:38 AM
Oh wow, so very sorry to hear this. I can't imagine what your going through let alone your son and his wife. My thoughts and prayers are with you and your family. Take the time needed to heal and help your son and his wife heal from this. As you once told me, family is the most important thing, these cars will be waiting for us when we're ready for them. Stay strong Don!
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on February 05, 2020, 11:27:55 AM
I would like to thank each and every one who expressed there sympathy and for your thoughts and prayers. It means a lot!

My family and I are doing well.
Don
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: birdsandbees on February 05, 2020, 01:55:52 PM
Thank you for checking in Don! Losing children isn't how life is supposed to work. It can be a dark road to go down for some. me included. Get back on that car!!  :yesnod:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on February 05, 2020, 04:18:53 PM
Quote from: birdsandbees on February 05, 2020, 01:55:52 PM
Thank you for checking in Don! Losing children isn't how life is supposed to work. It can be a dark road to go down for some. me included. Get back on that car!!  :yesnod:
Thanks Wayne, I do know what you mean about that dark road, those 1st few weeks were not good!

And yes, I am back on the car, updates to come
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on February 22, 2020, 08:08:41 AM
Time to update this thread.
I got the foot wells and rear seat pan in
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on February 22, 2020, 08:10:15 AM
At this point, next would be the trunk floor, but before I welded it in I needed to find out why I had to put so much pressure on the rear of the quarter to pull it up to get it to align to the rear body panels.

What I found was the outer tub at the wheel arch lip was interfering and holding the back of the quarter from pulling up and aligning properly.
So because the wheel wells were already welded in, I decided to slice the outer lip off.
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on February 22, 2020, 09:01:01 AM
Once I was satisfied that the quarter would fit I prepped the trunk pan
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on February 22, 2020, 09:02:10 AM
and welded it in
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on February 22, 2020, 09:03:04 AM
then I ground the welds down and sprayed etch primer
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on February 22, 2020, 09:04:16 AM
Then I welded the inner wells to the floor
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on February 22, 2020, 09:04:57 AM
And welded in the spare tire brackets
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on February 22, 2020, 09:05:41 AM
My grandson and puppy approve!
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: hemi-hampton on February 22, 2020, 03:32:06 PM
I noticed in the past that it seems the aftermarket B Body rear wheel wells were all the same & one size fits all. Problem is not all quarter panels are the same so not all quarter panels will fit with out modifications. Considering all the welding your doing on this massive project I think a huge full size Industrial Spot Welder would be Perfect for your job & make the job much easier. I have one at work & had to use it on the Brand New zero miles Chrysler Cars I repaired that got Damaged in Transit before Delivery from Factory. From my experience this would of helped you greatly. So far good work, can't wait to see it done. LEON.
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on February 22, 2020, 03:43:33 PM
Quote from: hemi-hampton on February 22, 2020, 03:32:06 PM
I noticed in the past that it seems the aftermarket B Body rear wheel wells were all the same & one size fits all. Problem is not all quarter panels are the same so not all quarter panels will fit with out modifications. Considering all the welding your doing on this massive project I think a huge full size Industrial Spot Welder would be Perfect for your job & make the job much easier. I have one at work & had to use it on the Brand New zero miles Chrysler Cars I repaired that got Damaged in Transit before Delivery from Factory. From my experience this would of helped you greatly. So far good work, can't wait to see it done. LEON.
Leon,
I looked at some of the cheaper spot welders but in the end just could not justify it. (I am not rich)
And If I had to do it over I would NOT have welded the wheel wells in! I should have put them in with screws untill all the body panels were fit!
O well, live and learn!
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: hemi-hampton on February 22, 2020, 03:55:35 PM
I know they are expensive, I wonder if you could buy a used one like ours cheap. if I ever quit where I'm at I'd like to buy theirs when I leave. I screw all my parts together before I weld. your doing so much of the car that you'd really have to screw the whole entire car together, not sure that's possible in your case. Anyways, good work so far :2thumbs: LEON.
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on February 22, 2020, 07:09:29 PM
what do you have or use? (gonna make a mental note)
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: Bronzedodge on February 22, 2020, 11:09:47 PM
I can mention this - the Horrible Freight model would likely hit the frame rail, doing the welds in that one pic.  I bought one lightly used.  Haven't used it much - it is not tolerant of anything other than bare clean metal though.

What is the red spray - weld through primer?
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: hemi-hampton on February 23, 2020, 02:05:30 PM
Quote from: mopar4don on February 22, 2020, 07:09:29 PM
what do you have or use? (gonna make a mental note)


I'll take a look & maybe a Picture Tomorrow when I'm at Work. LEON.
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: hemi-hampton on February 24, 2020, 08:49:52 PM
OK, Took some pics troday. it's a Tecna Spot Welder, specifically for auto body Panels. #3664. Nice but Heavy. LEON.
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on February 25, 2020, 08:47:18 AM
Leon that is one of those high end models! WOW that would be nice
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on February 27, 2020, 04:05:39 PM
Quote from: Bronzedodge on February 22, 2020, 11:09:47 PM
I can mention this - the Horrible Freight model would likely hit the frame rail, doing the welds in that one pic.  I bought one lightly used.  Haven't used it much - it is not tolerant of anything other than bare clean metal though.

What is the red spray - weld through primer?

Sorry I missed this Bronzedodge.
Yes it is Medallion weld thru primer RS-512
https://medallionrefinish.com/products/refinish-products/primers/aerosol-primers/etch-weld-primer (https://medallionrefinish.com/products/refinish-products/primers/aerosol-primers/etch-weld-primer)
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: Bronzedodge on February 28, 2020, 07:27:41 AM
Thank you Don.  I like the contrast of that weld-through, it would be easy for me to see where I missed.   :lol: 

Morgan
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on February 28, 2020, 10:18:35 AM
Quote from: Bronzedodge on February 28, 2020, 07:27:41 AM
Thank you Don.  I like the contrast of that weld-through, it would be easy for me to see where I missed.   :lol: 

Morgan

Morgan, I can tell you it works, VERY well! and it can be used as an etch primer.
This is what Craig Hopkins at the AMD installation center uses
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on March 17, 2020, 01:35:37 PM
So I was looking at the trunk floor and noticed that I had spots of rust bleeding through the self etch primer at the plug welds. AHHHHHH It was all over.  :brickwall:

So I decided to strip it all off, (using lacquer thinner) and then mix up some epoxy primer and brush it on.
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on March 17, 2020, 01:36:48 PM
I didn't want to take any chances so I stripped the 3M self etch primer off everywhere where I plug welded and brushed on the epoxy.

Not sure why this happened ?
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on May 07, 2020, 09:30:12 AM
With all of the floor pans in, I decided to start in on the dash cluster and bezels.
Here are some before pics
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on May 07, 2020, 09:31:08 AM
bezels after the wood overlays were remove
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on May 07, 2020, 09:31:48 AM
cluster pic after bezel removal
Title: cluster restoration
Post by: mopar4don on May 13, 2020, 02:06:31 PM
Here is how I went about restoring my cluster and gauges with the bezels.

This will not be very detailed (as I don't have enough pics)

If you want REALLY GOOD detailed info on how to restore your gauges
I would refer you to birdsandbees thread as well as others......
starting at post #852 on page 35
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,121731.850.html (http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,121731.850.html)


And lilwendal's Excellent thread
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,37999.0.html (http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,37999.0.html)
These were some of the threads I used to rebuild the cluster.
THANKS GUYS

I started out by removing the wood inlays from the bezels
Title: cluster restoration
Post by: mopar4don on May 13, 2020, 02:07:44 PM
Now my bezels have the wood overlays and the only thing you will see is the chrome strips, but they are really nasty and I want them fresh,
Title: cluster restoration
Post by: mopar4don on May 13, 2020, 02:10:42 PM
so to remove all the paint and chrome from the bezels, I sprayed them down in
oven cleaner and wrapped them in plastic wrap, then let them soak.
Sometimes I let them soak a few hours, sometimes overnight, either way the oven cleaner did not harm the plastic.
Now after each soak I would clean them with a stiff bristle brush
rinse and repeat till all of the paint was removed. This took a bit.
Title: cluster restoration
Post by: mopar4don on May 14, 2020, 08:42:00 AM
While the bezels were being stripped I started disassembling the cluster housing by removing the acrylic face, and removing all of the gauges, switches, and the circuit board. On the housing I removed the gasket around the brake system lens, the two green turn signal lenses with gaskets, and the red "brights" lens and its gasket that would be under the speedometer gauge.

pics of the different lenses
notice how the factory painted the black on the lug just to the left of the brake lens
Title: cluster restoration
Post by: mopar4don on May 14, 2020, 08:43:01 AM
here is a pic of all the hardware and lenses and gaskets removed
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on May 14, 2020, 08:43:36 AM
Next I removed the blue diffuser bulbs from the cluster housing then scuffed
and cleaned the housing to get it ready for paint.
Then I painted the 5 lugs flat black. These need to be black as these
lugs can be seen after assembling the front bezel.
Then I masked off the freshly painted black face of the lugs and painted
the housing with the Krylon flat white.

This is the only pic of the housing I have showing the black lugs masked, and ready for the white paint. Also notice that I masked off the brake system lens, as I had already polished the lens without removing it from the housing.
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: CDN72SE on May 14, 2020, 03:59:27 PM
Nice progress.
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on May 15, 2020, 10:44:36 AM
Quote from: CDN72SE on May 14, 2020, 03:59:27 PM
Nice progress.

Thank you sir.
But I have to say this was done back in Jan-Feb..... I am terrible at keeping this thread up to date
Title: gauge restoration
Post by: mopar4don on May 21, 2020, 10:22:00 AM
Ok more updates....

After painting the housing white (sorry no pics) I tested all of the the small gauges to be sure they worked.
Better to find a dead gauge now than after restoring it!
Calibrating each gauge will be done later.

So I taped 2 AA batteries together (3 volts) and ran a lead to each side of the gauge.
I watched the needle as it slowly moved and removed power when it got close to "pegging out"
Title: gauge restoration
Post by: mopar4don on May 21, 2020, 10:23:12 AM
After verifying the gauges worked I removed the needles from each gauge.
**Warning** these needles are extremely fragile and you need to be very careful not to bend them!

The needles are held by 2 opposing hooks so you'll need both hands. I used a soldering vise to hold the gauge and had tweezers in one hand and a small jewelers screwdriver in the other.

Now you have to move the needle around until you get it to unhook.
Let me tell you that is easier said than done.
Just take your time!
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: orange383 on May 22, 2020, 03:55:37 AM
I'm loving this thread Don. Great idea using the AA batteries to test the gauges.
Title: gauge restoration
Post by: mopar4don on May 26, 2020, 02:57:15 PM

Next I removed the gauge faces by drilling out the rivets and scuffed them up getting them ready for paint. (These pics are before I scuffed them)
Title: gauge restoration
Post by: mopar4don on May 26, 2020, 02:58:50 PM
Then I masked the black area of the needles and painted the white with Krylon Colormaxx paint + primer flat white (used on the cluster housing)
Title: gauge restoration
Post by: mopar4don on May 26, 2020, 03:01:12 PM
Which brings me to paint matching the decal overlays.
I ended up testing 5 different brands/colors before I found what looked best to me even though the decal instructions said to use Krylon flat black, which I found 2 different flat blacks, neither of which I thought were close. They were both to shiny.
I needed something flatter....
did a little internet research and found that Rust-oleum had something called Camouflage 2x ultra cover and I figured what would be flatter than camo paint? So I bought a can and did a spray out and it matched perfectly!
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: oldgold69 on May 26, 2020, 09:03:32 PM
 don would that camo black work on the dash   what are you going to use for rivets copper ones or steel   I am in awe of the things you restore on that car it will look better than  a new one from the factory
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on May 27, 2020, 06:37:08 AM
Quote from: oldgold69 on May 26, 2020, 09:03:32 PM
don would that camo black work on the dash   what are you going to use for rivets copper ones or steel   I am in awe of the things you restore on that car it will look better than  a new one from the factory

Hey old gold69, thanks for the compliments, but there are many who went before me sharing there restorations. I am just passing it on, trying to keep up with them.

My dash is saddle tan so I cant say if it would match or not. Maybe look at other restoration threads and see what they used.
I would suggest looking through birdsandbees thread. I posted his link earlier.

I used gold colored aluminum rivets from McMaster-Carr item #94439A270
Product Detail
Mil. Spec. Aluminum Low-Profile Domed Head Rivets, Solid, 3/32" Diameter, for 0.141" Maximum Material Thickness


      
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on June 03, 2020, 01:21:09 PM
I painted the headliner bows and headlight vacuum canister
Title: cluster restoration
Post by: mopar4don on June 03, 2020, 01:23:26 PM
The switches and chrome knobs were disassembled, cleaned and tested.
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on June 03, 2020, 01:25:51 PM
Here is a pic of the dimmer switch

Because the spring was binding I wanted someone to rebuild it that had more experience. I found this guy on ebay. All he does is rebuild switches so I sent it to him. Here is a link to his ebay store
https://www.ebay.com/str/devinism (https://www.ebay.com/str/devinism)
Title: cluster restoration
Post by: mopar4don on June 03, 2020, 01:27:13 PM
Then I applied the decals to the gauge faces following the instructions from Premium Dash Decals. They were not my 1st choice but performance car graphics were out of stock and they were not sure when they would have more. It all worked out, as I am extremely happy with there decals!
Title: cluster restoration
Post by: mopar4don on June 03, 2020, 01:28:18 PM
I installed the odometer decals as per the instructions
Title: cluster restoration
Post by: mopar4don on June 03, 2020, 01:29:17 PM
I found a video that showed how to reset the odometer to zero's
This video is for a mustang, but the odometer mechanism is identical
and worked perfectly for my odometer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87kZQkKGSw8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87kZQkKGSw8)
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: CDN72SE on June 03, 2020, 02:03:41 PM
 :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
Title: Re: cluster restoration
Post by: hemi68charger on June 10, 2020, 10:54:08 AM
Quote from: mopar4don on June 03, 2020, 01:28:18 PM
I installed the odometer decals as per the instructions

Looking nice Don... How did the decal lay?
Title: Re: cluster restoration
Post by: mopar4don on June 10, 2020, 02:23:19 PM
Quote from: hemi68charger on June 10, 2020, 10:54:08 AM
Quote from: mopar4don on June 03, 2020, 01:28:18 PM
I installed the odometer decals as per the instructions

Looking nice Don... How did the decal lay?

ALL of the decals layed very nicely. They really have high quality decals. (made by 3M)
What was nice is there was no liquid used to float the decal into position, and then squeegee out the air bubbles.
There decals have a Repositionable Adhesive which means you can lay them down and move them if you don't like the position. The adhesive wont activate until you apply pressure. What else was cool about them is they have micro channels to let the air escape. So you get NO air bubbles!

Go to there Tech page and read all about it.
I HIGHLY recommend them!

https://premiumdashdecals.com/support/ (https://premiumdashdecals.com/support/)

Title: cluster restoration
Post by: mopar4don on June 11, 2020, 07:23:47 AM
I had a circuit board pin that was broke, and after a lot of researching how to fix them, I ended up getting it turned on a lathe and running a 1-64 screw thru the back of the board to hold the pin. In this pic you can see the pin that I replaced (on the left) It looks a little longer in the pic but it is not.
Title: cluster restoration
Post by: mopar4don on June 11, 2020, 07:26:41 AM
In my research I found a thread where a guy had done a similar repair and almost caught his charger on fire. Turned out that the circuit board was grounding out on the housing. Of course this freaked me out a bit!  :o
After checking it out I found that there is a channel in the housing that is right behind the pins. This channel should clear any contact, but because I had modified the board with my pin repair (I had the head of a tiny screw protruding on the back side) I decided to add a little more protection so I applied some electrical insulating coating which is kinda like liquid electrical tape.
Title: cluster restoration
Post by: mopar4don on June 11, 2020, 07:28:02 AM
Here I assembled all of the switches and gauges back in the housing except for the clock
Title: cluster restoration
Post by: mopar4don on June 11, 2020, 07:29:10 AM
I got the bezels painted and "chromed" with the Molotow chrome pen.
I know it's not the best, but for what it cost to re-chrome, I'll try the pens!
Title: cluster restoration
Post by: mopar4don on June 11, 2020, 07:29:49 AM
So I had just had to see how it looked with the freshly painted bezel on.
I am impressed. Now to get the clock rebuilt.
Title: cluster restoration
Post by: mopar4don on June 23, 2020, 02:21:07 PM
So the original finish of the clock looked pretty good. But since I restored all of other gauges I did not want any differences so I got the clock decals.
The 1st step with restoring the clock is to remove the clock hands and second hand.
Title: cluster restoration
Post by: mopar4don on June 23, 2020, 02:21:43 PM
Then I removed the outer clock bezel ring
Title: cluster restoration
Post by: mopar4don on June 23, 2020, 02:22:58 PM
There is this little black foam pad (clock stem gasket) that fell apart after I removed it. I ended up making one, But if I would have know I would have ordered one with my decal kit from Premium Dash Decals
Title: cluster restoration
Post by: mopar4don on June 23, 2020, 02:25:12 PM
And if anyone knows were to buy that small chrome nut on the end of the time adjust shaft, (IN THE PIC ABOVE) let me know as I misplaced mine!
Title: cluster restoration
Post by: mopar4don on June 23, 2020, 02:26:26 PM

Then I removed the inner clock face and got ready to remove the internals
I purchased the DIY quartz conversion kit from Instrument Services (S-3015)
Title: cluster restoration
Post by: mopar4don on June 23, 2020, 02:27:03 PM
And as per there video instructions I disassembled
Title: cluster restoration
Post by: mopar4don on June 23, 2020, 02:28:03 PM
and assembled there quartz movement into my housing. Here you can see the outer clock face (with its new decal) is back on the housing. And you see the blue foam gasket I made. Now don't judge me because I did trim it up better than in this pic.
The foam gasket is not seen as the outer clock face covers it
Title: cluster restoration
Post by: mopar4don on June 23, 2020, 02:28:48 PM
Final assembly done
Title: cluster restoration
Post by: mopar4don on June 23, 2020, 02:30:15 PM
Hmmm now that I am looking at the pics, I can see that blue foam gasket

AHH   :brickwall:

O well I will have to look at it in final assembly to see if I need to fix it

My grandson approves!
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: Bronzedodge on June 23, 2020, 06:39:16 PM
Dip it in some Rit black dye.
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on June 24, 2020, 08:12:14 AM
Quote from: Bronzedodge on June 23, 2020, 06:39:16 PM
Dip it in some Rit black dye.
Good to know, thanks bronze! Maybe a black sharpie would work?
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: ht4spd307 on July 01, 2020, 12:39:58 AM
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Mopar-68-69-70-B-Body-Charger-Roadrunner-GTX-Clock-Reset-Knob-1968-1969-1970-NEW/402222368714?hash=item5da65247ca:g:S~IAAOSwkZld3D0F
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on July 01, 2020, 06:10:40 AM
thanks
Title: cluster restoration
Post by: mopar4don on July 10, 2020, 10:03:45 AM
So here is the cluster completely assembled and the bezel and the woodgrain overlay
Title: cluster restoration
Post by: mopar4don on July 10, 2020, 10:04:36 AM
And the cluster assembly with the woodgrain overlays assembled into there respective bezels
Title: cluster restoration
Post by: mopar4don on July 10, 2020, 10:05:14 AM
And the completed cluster assembly
Title: cluster restoration
Post by: mopar4don on July 10, 2020, 10:06:16 AM
Here are a couple of pics with the cluster and bezels installed into the dash frame
Title: cluster restoration
Post by: mopar4don on July 10, 2020, 10:07:03 AM
And here the dash frame is back into its storage frame and wrapped up for safe keeping
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: keepat on July 10, 2020, 02:22:37 PM
Looks great!
Pat
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: darbgnik on July 10, 2020, 07:43:47 PM
Wow, looks great.

I still have to freshen my dash.......  :icon_smile_blackeye:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on July 13, 2020, 12:57:40 PM
Thank you sirs
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on July 21, 2020, 02:53:20 PM
I welded in the 4 speed hump and bucket seat brackets
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on July 21, 2020, 02:54:06 PM
Then I moved on to the the roof skin.
If you remember I have been trying to get the back half of the car put together.
It was when I was fitting the quarters that I realized that I needed the roof skin on the car so that I can fit the window opening, (glass and trim) which includes the sail panel area of the quarter panels. So by moving or adjusting one panel, it may affect the adjacent panel, which could turn into a domino affect. So to be on the safe side I want every panel fitted before anything gets welded.

So I started stripping the old paint off
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on July 21, 2020, 02:54:54 PM
Half way through stripping I realized that I needed to repair the rear window channel. So I started planning and creating the patches to fix the rear channel. I marked out where the window clip holes were, as some of the holes would fall into the patches, and I would need to drill them back in.
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on July 21, 2020, 02:56:05 PM
So here you can see some of the heavy pitting that will need patched
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on July 21, 2020, 02:57:17 PM
so I cut it out and patched in the new piece
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on July 21, 2020, 02:57:44 PM
here you can see the 2 areas that I patched
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on September 18, 2020, 10:12:09 AM
Here is a couple of pics showing the corner that needed fixed
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on September 18, 2020, 10:13:26 AM
Once I had all of the metal patched I made a wooden form to support the roof when working on the back side
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on September 18, 2020, 10:16:48 AM
Then I finished stripping the top side

last 2 pics show the stripping disc I used
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on September 18, 2020, 10:17:57 AM
Next I separated the skin from the roof structure. There are a lot of spotwelds in the drip rails and along the front
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on September 18, 2020, 10:19:25 AM
Then I flipped the skin over and started stripping.
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on September 18, 2020, 10:19:56 AM
Just to review the stripping process.
I did not want to blast because I was afraid of warping.
So I decided to strip it with one of those stripping discs. I was a bit concerned about heat build up which could lead to warping. But I kept it cool by putting my 2 foot shop fan on it and also would air blast it as needed. It turned out good. I used up 3 stripping discs.
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on September 18, 2020, 10:20:57 AM
Next I got the roof skin in the booth and rust preped it then sprayed some epoxy
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on September 18, 2020, 10:21:35 AM
Flipped it over then repeated. Here you can see the Auto Tech rust prep I used
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on September 18, 2020, 10:22:29 AM
from there web site http://autotechmfg.com/?cat=6

Rust - Prep
Fast Acting Formula Kills Rust & Paint Ready in 20 to 30 Minutes!
A new twist to an old product! This fast acting formula kills rust on contact and converts it to a dry, paintable surface in 20-30 minutes, as opposed to the normal 8 - 12 hours required by other products. Also, this unique formula is actually two products-in-one: it kills/converts rust or, if sprayed on a bare rust-free panel, it etches the surface like a metal prep and creates the perfect surface for paint, primer or filler! Rust-Prep works by reacting with rust to form a chemically inert ceramic-like strontium phosphate film that becomes part of the surface. When primed or coated, adhesion to the surface is increased because the zinc strontium phosphate film is cellular and actually creates a locking effect at the paint interface thus going way beyond ordinary adhesion. And the zinc phosphate film results in superior anti-corrosion and welding conductivity.

directions on how to use: go about half way down the page. http://autotechmfg.com/?page_id=77
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on September 18, 2020, 10:24:31 AM
Then Ralph sprayed it.  Thanks Ralph
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on September 18, 2020, 10:25:10 AM
A couple of notes: I did use the rust prep on the bottom side, But I did'nt get any pics.
And the roof structure you see in the background worked really well for transporting. Just threw a couple of clamps on and put it in the truck.
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on September 22, 2020, 09:06:21 AM
So the next thing to do will be to weld on new AMD drip rails.
Has anyone put these on? Is there anything to it?
Maybe positioning to the front A-pillar drip rail?
There is a gap but the trim should cover it right?
Title: core support stiffener
Post by: mopar4don on November 10, 2020, 10:07:15 AM
So I was originally going to buy a core support stiffener but decided to make my own.
b5cuda did this to his car and it help me a lot. It basically boxes the core support.

I started off by making a template in two pieces
Title: core support stiffener
Post by: mopar4don on November 10, 2020, 10:08:44 AM
Then I transferred it to 16 gauge (.060)
Title: core support stiffener
Post by: mopar4don on November 10, 2020, 10:11:11 AM
Here you can see the result of rolling the edge
(just to the left of the left clamp and above the hammer) (I used a big pipe)
Title: core support stiffener
Post by: mopar4don on November 10, 2020, 10:12:32 AM
next I had to pull the side strap up and tack it
Title: core support stiffener
Post by: mopar4don on November 10, 2020, 10:13:54 AM
So I did the drivers side the same way then joined them
Title: core support stiffener
Post by: mopar4don on November 10, 2020, 10:14:58 AM
Here it is all mocked up
Title: core support stiffener
Post by: mopar4don on November 10, 2020, 10:16:09 AM
If you noticed in the previous pics I notched out for the grill support bracket.
I didn't like the way this looked. So I filled in the box and sliced the
bracket off right where it would intersect the box and welded it along the bottom
Title: core support stiffener
Post by: mopar4don on November 10, 2020, 10:19:15 AM
Here I am getting the stiffener ready for welding
and in pic2 its tacked in place
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: cdr on November 10, 2020, 10:20:42 AM
Great job Don !!!! :2thumbs:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on November 10, 2020, 10:26:08 AM
Thanks Charlie! (I need to get info about your wing)
Title: core support stiffener
Post by: mopar4don on November 10, 2020, 10:27:03 AM
Here the weld has been ground down and it is ready for epoxy primer
Title: core support stiffener
Post by: mopar4don on November 10, 2020, 10:28:35 AM
Core support stiffener DONE!  :punkrocka: :punkrocka: :punkrocka:

On to the next thing.

STAY TUNED  :yesnod:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: Homerr on November 10, 2020, 03:47:32 PM
Don, it's always a pleasure to read your updates and see the process unfold.
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: Stevearino on November 11, 2020, 02:56:03 PM
Don , this is going to be th most thoroughly restored Charger on the planet. No corners cut here.  :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on November 11, 2020, 03:17:14 PM
Quote from: Homerr on November 10, 2020, 03:47:32 PM
Don, it's always a pleasure to read your updates and see the process unfold.
Thank you. I am kinda suprised people are still following this thread. It's taking forever!


Quote from: Stevearino on November 11, 2020, 02:56:03 PM
Don , this is going to be th most thoroughly restored Charger on the planet. No corners cut here.  :2thumbs: :2thumbs:

Thank you Steve, that really means a lot coming from you. I really enjoy your videos of your Daytona and GTX restorations.
I have learned a lot!
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: cdr on November 11, 2020, 03:46:32 PM
Quote from: mopar4don on November 10, 2020, 10:26:08 AM
Thanks Charlie! (I need to get info about your wing)

Dane,,,, http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=151 (http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=151) & his son build these wings.
Title: drip rail replacement
Post by: mopar4don on November 11, 2020, 04:22:11 PM
The next thing to do is to get the AMD drip rails on
Title: drip rail replacement
Post by: mopar4don on November 11, 2020, 04:23:19 PM
Then weld them on
Title: drip rail replacement
Post by: mopar4don on November 11, 2020, 04:24:53 PM
Here the welds are ground down and epoxy primed
Title: drip rail replacement
Post by: mopar4don on November 11, 2020, 04:25:48 PM
I had to trim this rolled over edge on the quarter panel
so it would tuck underneath the drip rail
the line on the tape marks the end of the drip rail
and where it should be trimmed
Title: drip rail replacement
Post by: mopar4don on November 11, 2020, 04:26:45 PM
So here you can see the lip just before I zipped it off.
That lip needed to be trimmed of so the quarter will fit
under the drip rail
Title: drip rail replacement
Post by: mopar4don on November 11, 2020, 04:27:32 PM
more of the same on the passenger side
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: tan top on November 11, 2020, 07:02:41 PM
 :2thumbs: :popcrn: 
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on November 12, 2020, 09:17:34 AM
Quote from: cdr on November 11, 2020, 03:46:32 PM
Quote from: mopar4don on November 10, 2020, 10:26:08 AM
Thanks Charlie! (I need to get info about your wing)

Dane,,,, http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=151 (http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=151) & his son build these wings.

Thanks Charlie! I really like the wing on your car
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: cdr on November 12, 2020, 10:53:47 AM
Quote from: mopar4don on November 12, 2020, 09:17:34 AM
Quote from: cdr on November 11, 2020, 03:46:32 PM
Quote from: mopar4don on November 10, 2020, 10:26:08 AM
Thanks Charlie! (I need to get info about your wing)

Dane,,,, http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=151 (http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=151) & his son build these wings.

Thanks Charlie! I really like the wing on your car

Thanks Don, I love wing cars & building one is the only way I will ever have one [ BUCKET LIST before I am unable ] , surprisingly the Injector Stacks balance out the HUGE wing LOL, You are doing a great job on your Charger, VERY impressive work !!!!   
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on November 12, 2020, 11:21:01 AM
Quote from: cdr on November 12, 2020, 10:53:47 AM
Quote from: mopar4don on November 12, 2020, 09:17:34 AM
Quote from: cdr on November 11, 2020, 03:46:32 PM
Quote from: mopar4don on November 10, 2020, 10:26:08 AM
Thanks Charlie! (I need to get info about your wing)

Dane,,,, http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=151 (http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=151) & his son build these wings.

Thanks Charlie! I really like the wing on your car

Thanks Don, I love wing cars & building one is the only way I will ever have one [ BUCKET LIST before I am unable ] , surprisingly the Injector Stacks balance out the HUGE wing LOL, You are doing a great job on your Charger, VERY impressive work !!!!   

Thank you, that means a lot.
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: RallyeMike on November 12, 2020, 01:16:44 PM
12 years later.... I'm still following this.

It's been fascinating to watch....  :2thumbs:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: hemi-hampton on November 12, 2020, 09:32:34 PM
It's only been 7 Years. 7 down 7 to go. :scratchchin:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: RallyeMike on November 12, 2020, 10:34:33 PM
I was just going off what it felt like. Math is too hard  :icon_smile_blackeye:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: Homerr on November 13, 2020, 01:31:11 PM
2020 skews all sense of time!
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on November 20, 2020, 04:39:15 PM
Advise needed on 69 Charger rear body panel assembly

I am having a lot of trouble getting the trunk lid gap correct. And could really use some help
Click on this link to see the details

http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,138967.0.html
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on December 21, 2020, 02:35:49 PM
So about a month ago I built this small garage extension so that with the door up I can get behind the car and work.
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: Homerr on December 21, 2020, 02:55:14 PM
Don, that temporary garage extension is genius.   :2thumbs:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on December 21, 2020, 03:02:32 PM
Thanks Homerr, I have been thinking about doing this for about 3 years. This year I did it. NOW I HAVE NO EXCUSE NOT TO GET THE METAL DONE THIS WINTER!
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on March 01, 2021, 04:09:48 PM
So after posting questions in the paint, body and trim threads I thought I should update this thread
and combine those links back into this main thread. Most of the following issues have not been
resolved but I am still working on them when I can. IF anyone has some advice please comment.


11/20/20 - 3/1/21 Advise needed on 69 Charger rear body panel assembly
     http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,138967.msg1726339.html#new
      This started out looking for advice on how to get the panels aligned with good gaps.
I found out that I needed to lengthen my deck filler panel by 1/8 per side.
This resulted in a warpage problem that I didn't have the patients to fix
SO I ORDERED A NEW ONE (STILL NOT RESOLVED)


1/20/21  69 Charger full quarter install at rear window?
    http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,139242.0.html
      not sure if my opening is to big? (STILL NOT RESOLVED)



1/25/21 Has the 69 Charger AMD deck filler panel stamping been fixed yet?
   http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,139271.0.html
      before I buy a new one I was looking for feed back on if it has been fixed
                IT HAS NOT BEEN FIXED! BUT IT DOES SEEM TO WORK
                (STILL NOT RESOLVED)


1/6/21 Cowl Prep
   http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,139194.0.html
   should it be seam sealed and undercoated
        (DONE)
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: AKcharger on March 01, 2021, 08:36:38 PM
ROFL...Your are INSANE Sir!!

Beyond well done, I know of no one that has ever went that far on a restoration!!

keep up the good work!  :2thumbs:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on March 02, 2021, 07:54:29 AM
Thanks AK,
I have to admit it is beginning to ware on me.
Its mostly the not knowing that drives me crazy, and my Tool and Die Maker mentality "DO IT RIGHT THE 1ST TIME within a .001"
But I am not about to give up!
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: AKcharger on March 02, 2021, 10:19:33 PM
Well no joke, you need to have a book written about this...or at least several magazine articles
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on March 03, 2021, 08:20:56 AM
Quote from: AKcharger on March 02, 2021, 10:19:33 PM
Well no joke, you need to have a book written about this...or at least several magazine articles
I don't know about all that.  :scratchchin:
Besides by the time I get the car done, the only place you'll be able to read a magazine would be in a museum. :lol:
Title: front valance work
Post by: mopar4don on March 03, 2021, 02:54:13 PM
So while I have all of the panel fitment problems to address (from above) I needed to check the fitment of the AMD front valance.
I also need to weld the bolting flange to the fender.
So with the fenders on I gentle laid the valance in and immediately my heart drops!
The valance is hitting or interfering with the lower core support boxing mod I did.

AAAAAHH  :brickwall: :brickwall: :brickwall:
1 step forward 2 steps back,  :icon_smile_blackeye:

So the problem is that the edge of the valance hits the front of the boxed core support on the left and right sides where the core support curves upwards.

My solution is to slice the valance and bend it out of the way. Then the valance can slide into position.

1st pic    shows an original valance after I sliced and bent it so it could be positioned properly

2nd pic    Here you can see the two bent up areas that will let me slide it in over the boxed area
Title: front valance work
Post by: mopar4don on March 03, 2021, 02:56:21 PM
From the factory the valance slides in under the top edge of the core support.
A u-nut clip would be used and it would bolt up from under the core support lip.

But because of the mod I did, it will have to slide in on top of the core support.
I will use a rivet nut to bolt it from the top
In the 1st pic Here you can see how the valance is sitting properly

2nd pic shows a side view of the problem
Title: front valance work
Post by: mopar4don on March 03, 2021, 02:56:50 PM
So here is the AMD valance in with the relief cuts.
kinda hard to see with everything black!
So compared to factory I will be out of position by the thickness of the core support........ Yeah I can live with that!
Title: front valance work
Post by: mopar4don on March 03, 2021, 02:58:16 PM
So way back in Aug 2017 on page 34 post number #837
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,104414.825.html

You can see the flange that I never welded to the fender (the smaller piece)

Title: front valance work
Post by: mopar4don on March 03, 2021, 02:59:01 PM
Well now I need it on to fit the fenders to the valance.
So I welded it on (sorry this is the only pic I have) I was using that thick bar as a heat sink to keep everything straight and minimize warping
Title: front valance work
Post by: mopar4don on March 03, 2021, 03:00:23 PM
Here is that flange bolted up to the valance

In the 2nd pic you can see how the bolting flange of the valance doesn't line up to the flange from the fender
Title: front valance work
Post by: mopar4don on March 03, 2021, 03:01:23 PM
So I had to slice off the old and make a new flange
Title: front valance work
Post by: mopar4don on March 03, 2021, 03:02:52 PM
The other side was good

Wow I am tired thinking about all that!  :icon_smile_cool:
Title: Cowl prep
Post by: mopar4don on May 11, 2021, 01:18:20 PM
So here are a few pics of the cowl getting undercoated
Title: Cowl prep
Post by: mopar4don on May 11, 2021, 01:18:58 PM
and welded in
Title: Quarter regulators
Post by: mopar4don on May 11, 2021, 02:16:22 PM
I also rebuilt the rear quarter window regulator assemblies
This is a before
Title: Quarter regulators
Post by: mopar4don on May 11, 2021, 02:17:05 PM
All the parts
Title: Quarter regulators
Post by: mopar4don on May 11, 2021, 02:21:35 PM
pic1 I had to remove this roller

pic2  Took a punch and quick hammer strike pushed the pin out of the roller

pic3 removed

pic4 A c-clamp pushed the new roller on

pic5 all assembled
Title: Quarter regulators
Post by: mopar4don on May 11, 2021, 02:22:47 PM
The only problem or question I have is with this roller.
The original is on the left, 2 new ones in the middle and right.
You can see how the new ones are longer than the original and the undercut groove is higher than the original so when you snap the retainer in there is about a 1/16 gap.
So that roller can move up and down by that gap amount.
Maybe it doesn't matter? Or do I need to put a washer in there?

Title: Re: Quarter regulators
Post by: VegasCharger on May 11, 2021, 11:30:35 PM
Quote from: mopar4don on May 11, 2021, 02:22:47 PM.....So that roller can move up and down by that gap amount.
Maybe it doesn't matter? Or do I need to put a washer in there?.....

First off, nice progress on the Charger. :2thumbs:

On the repop roller, man that sucks it being off from the original.

May I suggest that maybe use some sort of plastic bushing/washer to fill the gap??

:cheers:
Title: Re: Quarter regulators
Post by: mopar4don on May 12, 2021, 05:32:10 AM
Quote from: VegasCharger on May 11, 2021, 11:30:35 PM
Quote from: mopar4don on May 11, 2021, 02:22:47 PM.....So that roller can move up and down by that gap amount.
Maybe it doesn't matter? Or do I need to put a washer in there?.....

First off, nice progress on the Charger. :2thumbs:

On the repop roller, man that sucks it being off from the original.

May I suggest that maybe use some sort of plastic bushing/washer to fill the gap??

:cheers:
My thought exactly. I was hoping someone else had run into this problem and could comment on if it is a problem.
Maybe it does not matter?
Title: Re: Quarter regulators
Post by: bakerhillpins on May 12, 2021, 06:05:03 AM
Quote from: mopar4don on May 11, 2021, 02:22:47 PM
So that roller can move up and down by that gap amount.
Maybe it doesn't matter? Or do I need to put a washer in there?

Don't you just love this kind of stuff... From my vantage point I'd leave it alone but I don't have the full picture either as I've never done a teardown/rebuild on one.


A few thoughts anyway.  You've done amazing work!

Title: Re: Quarter regulators
Post by: armor64 on May 12, 2021, 06:30:18 AM
Quote from: mopar4don on May 11, 2021, 02:22:47 PM
The only problem or question I have is with this roller.
The original is on the left, 2 new ones in the middle and right.
You can see how the new ones are longer than the original and the undercut groove is higher than the original so when you snap the retainer in there is about a 1/16 gap.
So that roller can move up and down by that gap amount.
Maybe it doesn't matter? Or do I need to put a washer in there?


when i rebuilt mine a few months back, the longer shaft didnt matter, it gave the assembly a slight amount of side to side wiggle room, which seemed to make it easier to assemble in the quarter. when it was all lined up and bolted down, there was no extra wiggle, no alignment issues, and it was super smooth.
Title: Re: Quarter regulators
Post by: mopar4don on May 12, 2021, 07:23:42 AM
thanks bakerhillpins.



Quote from: armor64 on May 12, 2021, 06:30:18 AM
Quote from: mopar4don on May 11, 2021, 02:22:47 PM
The only problem or question I have is with this roller.
The original is on the left, 2 new ones in the middle and right.
You can see how the new ones are longer than the original and the undercut groove is higher than the original so when you snap the retainer in there is about a 1/16 gap.
So that roller can move up and down by that gap amount.
Maybe it doesn't matter? Or do I need to put a washer in there?


when i rebuilt mine a few months back, the longer shaft didnt matter, it gave the assembly a slight amount of side to side wiggle room, which seemed to make it easier to assemble in the quarter. when it was all lined up and bolted down, there was no extra wiggle, no alignment issues, and it was super smooth.
Ok that makes me feel a little better. knowing someone else had the same problem but that it worked out.  :2thumbs:
Title: roof skin
Post by: mopar4don on May 18, 2021, 10:38:40 AM
I found someone to help me get the back end of this put together. The 1st thing we did was get the roof skin is on!  :yesnod:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: green69rt on May 18, 2021, 12:02:11 PM
You can never have too many vise grips, Huh.
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on May 18, 2021, 01:50:30 PM
Quote from: green69rt on May 18, 2021, 12:02:11 PM
You can never have too many vise grips, Huh.
Right you are, I've been collecting them for a while and when you do a roof, you need a lot of them! :coolgleamA:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: tan top on May 19, 2021, 06:40:35 AM
 :2thumbs: :popcrn:
Title: more epoxy
Post by: mopar4don on May 19, 2021, 11:59:01 AM
I stripped the e-coat off the quarters, deck filler and valance corners, and sprayed with epoxy primer. I took it all the way down to bare metal. I know, I probably could have just scuffed them up but I wanted no possible problems with paint.
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on May 19, 2021, 12:05:52 PM
Then I got some single stage color sprayed on the back side of the deck filler.

I will get color sprayed on the back side of everything I can.
No one else seems to do this but that's what the guy who is helping me suggests.

The quarters will go back to get sprayed color on the back side. But for now they are going back home with me for a wheel well fitment.

Once all the panels are painted then they can get welded on. At least that's the plan
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: keepat on May 20, 2021, 06:55:36 PM
Color looks great Don! Good luck with the paint!
Pat
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: Back N Black on May 20, 2021, 07:40:52 PM
Man you are doing a great job. where are you located in New Brunswick? I'm in Oromocto, would love to see your project sometime. :cheers:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on May 21, 2021, 05:22:18 AM
Quote from: keepat on May 20, 2021, 06:55:36 PM
Color looks great Don! Good luck with the paint!
Pat
Thanks Pat


Quote from: Back N Black on May 20, 2021, 07:40:52 PM
Man you are doing a great job. where are you located in New Brunswick? I'm in Oromocto, would love to see your project sometime. :cheers:
Thank you for the compliment but I am in Michigan.
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: cbrestorations on May 21, 2021, 08:46:40 AM
While quarters are off spray color on inner structure too
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on May 21, 2021, 09:33:27 AM
Quote from: cbrestorations on May 21, 2021, 08:46:40 AM
While quarters are off spray color on inner structure too
Hey Cris, Yes that is the plan.
The guy that is helping me (THANKS KOLLY) says that's how he does all of his cars. And after he explained it, it all made sense!
I just always thought that epoxy primer on the back side of panels was good enough. And I don't see anyone on these forums putting
color on the back of panels. Or if they are I guess I missed it.
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: hemi-hampton on May 21, 2021, 06:53:45 PM
Quote from: mopar4don on May 21, 2021, 09:33:27 AM
Quote from: cbrestorations on May 21, 2021, 08:46:40 AM
While quarters are off spray color on inner structure too
Hey Cris, Yes that is the plan.
The guy that is helping me (THANKS KOLLY) says that's how he does all of his cars. And after he explained it, it all made sense!
I just always thought that epoxy primer on the back side of panels was good enough. And I don't see anyone on these forums putting
color on the back of panels. Or if they are I guess I missed it.

You must of missed my post from 2007. I always (usually) paint the hidden areas behind Panels. LEON.

http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,35671.0.html
Title: Re: Quarter regulators
Post by: green69rt on May 22, 2021, 11:52:08 AM
Quote from: armor64 on May 12, 2021, 06:30:18 AM
Quote from: mopar4don on May 11, 2021, 02:22:47 PM
The only problem or question I have is with this roller.
The original is on the left, 2 new ones in the middle and right.
You can see how the new ones are longer than the original and the undercut groove is higher than the original so when you snap the retainer in there is about a 1/16 gap.
So that roller can move up and down by that gap amount.
Maybe it doesn't matter? Or do I need to put a washer in there?


when i rebuilt mine a few months back, the longer shaft didnt matter, it gave the assembly a slight amount of side to side wiggle room, which seemed to make it easier to assemble in the quarter. when it was all lined up and bolted down, there was no extra wiggle, no alignment issues, and it was super smooth.

Ditto. Also allows some side-to-side movement of the assembly when rolling the window up and down.  Just tried on mine and it does move  bit.
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: cbrestorations on May 22, 2021, 11:55:03 AM
Quote from: mopar4don on May 21, 2021, 09:33:27 AM
Quote from: cbrestorations on May 21, 2021, 08:46:40 AM
While quarters are off spray color on inner structure too
Hey Cris, Yes that is the plan.
The guy that is helping me (THANKS KOLLY) says that's how he does all of his cars. And after he explained it, it all made sense!
I just always thought that epoxy primer on the back side of panels was good enough. And I don't see anyone on these forums putting
color on the back of panels. Or if they are I guess I missed it.

It's only real purpose is to get color in areas that would be hard to reach when assembled
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: Back N Black on May 22, 2021, 11:02:36 PM
Quote from: mopar4don on May 21, 2021, 05:22:18 AM
Quote from: keepat on May 20, 2021, 06:55:36 PM
Color looks great Don! Good luck with the paint!
Pat
Thanks Pat


Quote from: Back N Black on May 20, 2021, 07:40:52 PM
Man you are doing a great job. where are you located in New Brunswick? I'm in Oromocto, would love to see your project sometime. :cheers:
Thank you for the compliment but I am in Michigan.


that's cool i thought you were in Canada for some reason. :2thumbs:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: hemi-hampton on May 23, 2021, 10:30:31 AM
Where in Michigan? Curious, I'm in Michigan. LEON.
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on May 24, 2021, 02:15:40 PM
SW lower corner
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on June 15, 2021, 11:22:09 AM
Quote from: hemi-hampton on May 21, 2021, 06:53:45 PM
Quote from: mopar4don on May 21, 2021, 09:33:27 AM
Quote from: cbrestorations on May 21, 2021, 08:46:40 AM
While quarters are off spray color on inner structure too
Hey Cris, Yes that is the plan.
The guy that is helping me (THANKS KOLLY) says that's how he does all of his cars. And after he explained it, it all made sense!
I just always thought that epoxy primer on the back side of panels was good enough. And I don't see anyone on these forums putting
color on the back of panels. Or if they are I guess I missed it.

You must of missed my post from 2007. I always (usually) paint the hidden areas behind Panels. LEON.

http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,35671.0.html

I dont know how I missed this Leon .... but I have never seen anyone paint the hidden areas
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on June 15, 2021, 11:46:02 AM
My friend Rafael got color on the back of these
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: hemi-hampton on June 15, 2021, 04:58:46 PM
Quote from: mopar4don on June 15, 2021, 11:22:09 AM
Quote from: hemi-hampton on May 21, 2021, 06:53:45 PM
Quote from: mopar4don on May 21, 2021, 09:33:27 AM
Quote from: cbrestorations on May 21, 2021, 08:46:40 AM
While quarters are off spray color on inner structure too
Hey Cris, Yes that is the plan.
The guy that is helping me (THANKS KOLLY) says that's how he does all of his cars. And after he explained it, it all made sense!
I just always thought that epoxy primer on the back side of panels was good enough. And I don't see anyone on these forums putting
color on the back of panels. Or if they are I guess I missed it.

You must of missed my post from 2007. I always (usually) paint the hidden areas behind Panels. LEON.

http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,35671.0.html

I dont know how I missed this Leon .... but I have never seen anyone paint the hidden areas


Either have I. Guess I'm the only guy that does it. And your Guy.  Some times before painting behind these hidden areas I'll have it sandblasted to bare clean Metal, Then self etch Wash Prime, Then Epoxy Prime. Then Paint. Best Protection & going to last long time this way. don't know anybody that does that either.  LEON.
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: Bobs69 on June 18, 2021, 03:05:11 PM
Painting the back side of the panels!  That's Awesome! :cheers:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on June 24, 2021, 01:02:18 PM
So here is the temporary spray booth I setup
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on June 24, 2021, 01:05:11 PM
And here are some before pics
(I actually shot another coat of epoxy in these pics)
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on June 24, 2021, 01:06:51 PM
Ok now for some action pics.
Here is my friend Rafael putting down some sealer
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on June 24, 2021, 01:10:26 PM
And now some pics of the color on

pic2-3
Its not my camera!
This is what it looks like with NO ventilation
Yeah I snapped this photo and had to get out! And yes I did have a respirator on
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on June 24, 2021, 01:11:27 PM
Here he is giving me the all done signal with a thumbs up  :2thumbs:
Ok my phone camera is not the best but you can still see the over spray from his head light
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on June 24, 2021, 01:15:17 PM
And the after pics
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on June 24, 2021, 01:16:40 PM
Turned out AWESOME!
I love the color. (T7 Dark Bronze)
My thanks to Rafael, he really had to work hard especially when he could hardly see!

The next things to do will be installation of the quarter panels, deck filler, tail panel, rear valance, and rear corners. Lord willing, and with Kolly's help, it will be done this Sat

Stay tuned.................. :yesnod:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: hemi-hampton on June 24, 2021, 07:39:51 PM
Looks like same color as the 69 Roadrunner I did, Deja-Vue. Don't forget to put in the sloppy seam sealer in Trunk like Factory did before you Paint that. So far so Good :2thumbs: LEON.
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on June 25, 2021, 05:26:35 AM
Quote from: hemi-hampton on June 24, 2021, 07:39:51 PM
Looks like same color as the 69 Roadrunner I did, Deja-Vue. Don't forget to put in the sloppy seam sealer in Trunk like Factory did before you Paint that. So far so Good :2thumbs: LEON.
Thanks Leon, I was disappointment that I forgot to seam seal before painting. But after painting I did get it done inside the quarter window and wheel wells. When you sent me a link to pics of your car and I saw the color I kinda was amazed, I mean what are the odds of that?  :shruggy:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: tan top on June 26, 2021, 12:50:20 PM
looks good  ( M4D )  nice job  :yesnod: :2thumbs: :popcrn:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: darbgnik on June 26, 2021, 01:56:27 PM
Out of all the cars I've seen on here, yours is the one I'm most excited to see finished! What a journey.

I'll never forget that you erased a Coronet from the histories!  :smilielol:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on June 29, 2021, 10:20:53 AM
Quote from: tan top on June 26, 2021, 12:50:20 PM
looks good  ( M4D )  nice job  :yesnod: :2thumbs: :popcrn:
Thank you sir!


Quote from: darbgnik on June 26, 2021, 01:56:27 PM
Out of all the cars I've seen on here, yours is the one I'm most excited to see finished! What a journey.

I'll never forget that you erased a Coronet from the histories!  :smilielol:
I have a long way to go to finish, but I am excited to think about it coming off of the body jig!

Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on July 27, 2021, 06:33:16 AM
Well It took a bit longer than I thought. But we did get it. (passenger side really fought us :icon_smile_blackeye:)
Everything is now welded in at the top and along the trunk.
I still need to weld in the quarters along the door and bottom.

Here are a few pics,
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: darbgnik on July 27, 2021, 01:27:30 PM
It's a car again! :2thumbs:

More or less....... lol
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: green69rt on July 27, 2021, 01:59:32 PM
I want to ask, did you put the rear valance corners on before the quarters or after, they look dead on?  Lot's of folks have had problems getting them on right so do you have any words of wisdom?
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: keepat on July 27, 2021, 03:28:41 PM
Don, Looks awesome! Big step forward, Congrats!
Pat
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on July 28, 2021, 07:30:58 AM
Quote from: darbgnik on July 27, 2021, 01:27:30 PM
It's a car again! :2thumbs:

More or less....... lol
It's getting there.......  :icon_smile_big:
Thank you sir

Quote from: keepat on July 27, 2021, 03:28:41 PM
Don, Looks awesome! Big step forward, Congrats!
Pat
Thanks Pat, still working at it!

Quote from: green69rt on July 27, 2021, 01:59:32 PM
I want to ask, did you put the rear valance corners on before the quarters or after, they look dead on? 
Lot's of folks have had problems getting them on right so do you have any words of wisdom?

Hi Mitch,
The corners are not completely welded in.
Lets see if I can explain

I started out by welding the corner to the quarter along that long flange
pic 1 and 2

Then we hung the quarter and installed the valance and tail panel.

After I get the bottom of the quarters welded in (along the trunk drop offs)
I plan on welding the corner flange, (that extends under the valance) from underneath.
I should be able to drill a couple of holes through the crossmember and plug weld it.

At least that is the plan.

Back when everything was being fitted I tried locating those corners with screws but
could never get it straight. It would end up tweaking out of level.

So I came up with this idea. I hope it works!
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: green69rt on July 28, 2021, 08:05:19 AM
Thanks.  Sounds like the key to getting it right is making the connection to the quarter first then to the cross member.
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on July 28, 2021, 09:16:15 AM
Quote from: green69rt on July 28, 2021, 08:05:19 AM
Thanks.  Sounds like the key to getting it right is making the connection to the quarter first then to the cross member.

I am hoping it will work, not done yet.

I have seen how others had welded the corners to the cross member. Then valance and quarter would install over them.
But I never saw how they welded the corner flange to the quarter! (you cant get to it because the drop offs cover it)
Unless they did not weld the flange and welded it at the bottom?????
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on August 03, 2021, 03:33:54 PM
I put some epoxy over the welded up areas. Back window lip, trunk lip perimeter, and rear tail panel and valance
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on August 03, 2021, 03:34:24 PM
My grandson approves
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on January 03, 2022, 01:04:42 PM
I need to get this thread revived for 2022!

Since my project is getting close to being ready to mount onto a rotisserie, I needed to get the ones I picked up 5+ years ago ready.
I started with these which were a bit hoaky and defiantly NOT going to work!
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on January 03, 2022, 01:05:33 PM
And modified them into this....
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: hemi-hampton on January 03, 2022, 05:51:42 PM
Are you going to connect the 2 together? LEON.
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on January 04, 2022, 07:32:23 AM
Only if I need to. Do you think it will need it?
If I need to I was thinking of c-clamping a bar between them.
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: 70 sublime on January 04, 2022, 09:11:20 AM
Quote from: mopar4don on January 04, 2022, 07:32:23 AM
Only if I need to. Do you think it will need it?
If I need to I was thinking of c-clamping a bar between them.

I think all the rotisseries I have ever seen have had the end stands hooked together some how at the ground level
So when they are moved around it will not put any extra stress on the mounting points if a wheel gets caught on the ground

Another thought I had looking at your stand set up you made
The stand for the back of the car that mounts to the rear bumper mount bolts
The legs on the mount ( angle iron ) that goes flat towards the car that has the plate on the end to bolt to the car

Do they need to be that long ?
Might be a lot of pry on them when the car is turned 1/4 turn and hanging on its side  :shruggy:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on January 04, 2022, 09:28:13 AM
Quote from: 70 sublime on January 04, 2022, 09:11:20 AM
Quote from: mopar4don on January 04, 2022, 07:32:23 AM
Only if I need to. Do you think it will need it?
If I need to I was thinking of c-clamping a bar between them.

I think all the rotisseries I have ever seen have had the end stands hooked together some how at the ground level
So when they are moved around it will not put any extra stress on the mounting points if a wheel gets caught on the ground

Another thought I had looking at your stand set up you made
The stand for the back of the car that mounts to the rear bumper mount bolts
The legs on the mount ( angle iron ) that goes flat towards the car that has the plate on the end to bolt to the car

Do they need to be that long ?
Might be a lot of pry on them when the car is turned 1/4 turn and hanging on its side  :shruggy:

"Do they need to be that long ?
Might be a lot of pry on them when the car is turned 1/4 turn and hanging on its side"

Not sure what you mean, the length left to right? bolt hole to bolt hole?
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: hemi-hampton on January 05, 2022, 07:15:49 PM
Quote from: mopar4don on January 04, 2022, 07:32:23 AM
Only if I need to. Do you think it will need it?
If I need to I was thinking of c-clamping a bar between them.

I would. From my Experience using many different Rotisseries (did I spell that right? don't want corn dog coming after me) I really prefer the ones with 2 bars attaching the 2 ends together instead of 1. There was a really nice one made from South Carolina I think it was painted in light Blue that worked great & was my favorite. LEON.
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on January 11, 2022, 11:14:40 AM
Quote from: hemi-hampton on January 05, 2022, 07:15:49 PM
Quote from: mopar4don on January 04, 2022, 07:32:23 AM
Only if I need to. Do you think it will need it?
If I need to I was thinking of c-clamping a bar between them.

I would. From my Experience using many different Rotisseries (did I spell that right? don't want corn dog coming after me) I really prefer the ones with 2 bars attaching the 2 ends together instead of 1. There was a really nice one made from South Carolina I think it was painted in light Blue that worked great & was my favorite. LEON.
Thanks Leon, I most likely will do something
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: kent on January 11, 2022, 11:54:10 AM
You want them nice and sturdy. :yesnod:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: kent on January 11, 2022, 12:03:13 PM
Mine made it 30 miles. No issues
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on January 11, 2022, 01:36:00 PM
Hi Kent,
Great pics of your car. But I have to ask..... why the hay bales? :scratchchin:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: kent on January 11, 2022, 02:04:31 PM
Feed my horse!  Kill two birds with one stone!  :nana:

No Don just kidding.  My body man insisted we put them there. Yeah really. His thinking was if the car was to fall, it would land on those bales. I told him if the car had fallen that distance between the bales and the car, the damage would have been done. Now if the weight of the car was sitting on the bales it would have worked. But since it was not even touching it would have done little good. But he went and got them and made him feel better. Worst part about it I had to bring them back to the farm where he got them. I was going to post a picture before he put them on there, but that one was a better shot.
Just trying to keep everybody happy.
Title: bumper support brackets
Post by: mopar4don on February 04, 2022, 03:08:37 PM
So next on the list is getting the bumper brackets welded into the trunk.
I prepped the area and sprayed the weld through primer.

pics 3-4 view from outside
Title: bumper support brackets
Post by: mopar4don on February 04, 2022, 03:11:02 PM
So here they are welded in.
So before these were welded in I seam sealed behind the brackets (white smudges) Kinda hard to do after there welded in!
Title: bumper support brackets
Post by: mopar4don on February 04, 2022, 03:12:24 PM
And some pics after cleaned up and primed
Title: bumper support brackets
Post by: mopar4don on February 04, 2022, 03:14:17 PM
Since I'm in there I might as well get the trunk lock support bracket in.... (*note the white smudges in the 1st 2 pics)
Title: more welding
Post by: mopar4don on February 04, 2022, 03:58:20 PM
The next area to weld was along the bottom of the quarter panel to the rocker.
This is how I made sure the metal was pinched together before welding.
Title: more welding
Post by: mopar4don on February 04, 2022, 04:02:53 PM
I used the jack to squeeze the metal together along the pinch weld.

I did the same thing to the passenger side, this pic shows jacking up with the block right against the pinch weld.
If you notice the quarter at the pinch weld is a little long. I will go back and trim this later.
Title: more welding
Post by: mopar4don on February 04, 2022, 04:05:47 PM
And I also welded along the wheel arch.
I will come back later and double the welds here. These are about every 5 inches
Title: Re: more welding
Post by: mopar4don on February 04, 2022, 04:06:37 PM
 :shruggy:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: cdr on February 04, 2022, 04:19:23 PM
Great work Don, lookin like a car again !!!! AWESOMENESS :)
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on February 04, 2022, 04:33:49 PM
Thanks Charlie.

Speaking of awesomeness, THAT IS ONE MEAN WHEELY MACHINE!  :yesnod:
Title: lock pillar 2 rocker fix
Post by: mopar4don on February 08, 2022, 02:35:32 PM
I didn't like the looks of the lock pillar down where it transitions into the rocker.
The outer edge was a bit banged up and to sharp
Title: lock pillar 2 rocker fix
Post by: mopar4don on February 08, 2022, 02:37:17 PM

So I made a slice and hammered it down softening that edge
then welded it and finished it off
Title: lock pillar 2 rocker fix
Post by: mopar4don on February 08, 2022, 02:37:58 PM
When I get to the body work stage I will come back and fix the edges
Title: cowl 2 apron bracket
Post by: mopar4don on February 09, 2022, 02:34:24 PM
Not to much excitement but I did finally get the cowl to apron bracket welded on
Title: cowl 2 apron bracket
Post by: mopar4don on February 09, 2022, 02:36:29 PM
I do know how to make sparks  :icon_smile_cool:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on February 10, 2022, 08:51:59 AM
I hit another bump in the road!  :brickwall:
While fitting the quarter extensions I found they have a gap at the bottom edge!

   See it here (Paint, Body & Trim thread) and help me solve the problem.

http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,140945.0.html
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: Stevearino on February 23, 2022, 09:05:31 PM
Looking good Don. :cheers:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: aerolith on February 24, 2022, 03:41:00 AM
Keep going Don!

The back of the quarter panel should be almost vertical and square.

Slice along the top 'by the fold' and remove a small sliver and reweld it back together!

Done a few of these and its a common fault with aftermarket quarters...
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on March 10, 2022, 08:37:07 AM
Quote from: aerolith on February 24, 2022, 03:41:00 AM
Keep going Don!

The back of the quarter panel should be almost vertical and square.

Slice along the top 'by the fold' and remove a small sliver and reweld it back together!

Done a few of these and its a common fault with aftermarket quarters...

Do you have a picture showing where to slice? I'm not sure what you mean when you say "by the fold"
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on April 13, 2022, 08:12:30 AM
So I decided to take a brake from the quarter extensions and fix my hood. It had been hit in the front and someone attempted to fix it but needed more attention.
I tried pulling it out...... but that was a wast of time!
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on April 13, 2022, 08:13:14 AM
So because the damage was along the leading edge where it is double walled, I decided to separate the inner from the outer skin.
1st I drilled 1/8 holes and added the clecos. I wanted to be absolutely sure that everything would be aligned when it went back together.
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on April 13, 2022, 08:14:02 AM
After drilling out the spotwelds around the perimeter, I used a long sawsall blade and cut the old seam sealer in-between the two halfs
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on April 13, 2022, 08:14:59 AM
Then it came apart.................
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on April 13, 2022, 08:15:34 AM
Did you see the mouse nest?
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: charger_fan_4ever on April 13, 2022, 09:10:12 AM
My 70 hood had the same nest lol
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on April 13, 2022, 02:36:30 PM
I made a profile template from another hood I have and used it to check the front edge.
I slit the fold and pushed the contoured edge until it matched the template then tacked it. Kept working the edge until it matched my template then welded it up and ground it down
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: panhead on April 14, 2022, 08:11:26 AM
That's some really nice work   :2thumbs:

Curt
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on April 14, 2022, 10:13:49 AM
Quote from: panhead on April 14, 2022, 08:11:26 AM
That's some really nice work   :2thumbs:

Curt
Thanks Curt
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on April 14, 2022, 10:14:44 AM
I wasn't happy with the sloppiness of my trunk hinges so I made some bushings and welded them in.
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on April 14, 2022, 10:15:31 AM
Then I epoxy sprayed the inner structure
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on April 14, 2022, 10:16:59 AM
and prepped the outer skin with Auto Tech Rust Prep.
This is the same stuff I used when I did the roof.

Before and after applying the Rust Prep
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on April 14, 2022, 10:17:35 AM
Then I epoxy sprayed the outer hood skin and trunk hinges
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on April 14, 2022, 10:19:16 AM
Before assembling the inner and outer pieces I made a cradle to support the outer skin.
And prepped them with weld through primer
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on April 14, 2022, 10:20:00 AM
I used 3M NVH Dampening Material 04274 as the bonding material between the inner and outer.
(1 tube was enough) Unfortunately I did not get any pics! Or of the 2 half's together. Sorry
But I can say it went together very well.
I aligned the holes with my clecos and welded the 2 half's back together.

This is the only pic I have of the hood with my toothless grandson
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: birdsandbees on April 14, 2022, 01:25:46 PM
Nice work Don and glad to see the Grandson helping you along!
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on April 15, 2022, 10:33:29 AM
Thanks Wayne
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: Stevearino on April 15, 2022, 04:04:28 PM
Tell the truth Don. You wanted to separate the two halves of that hood all along to get to the last of the nasty you knew was up in there. :lol: :lol: :lol: Just kidding but I know with the way you have handled everything else that I bet there is some truth to it. Nice (thorough) job as always.
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: hemi-hampton on April 15, 2022, 11:20:09 PM
Quote from: Stevearino on April 15, 2022, 04:04:28 PM
Tell the truth Don. You wanted to separate the two halves of that hood all along to get to the last of the nasty you knew was up in there. :lol: :lol: :lol: Just kidding but I know with the way you have handled everything else that I bet there is some truth to it. Nice (thorough) job as always.


I was thinking the same thing, didn't he separate the Trunk lid into 2 pieces? LEON.
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on April 18, 2022, 11:08:29 AM
Quote from: Stevearino on April 15, 2022, 04:04:28 PM
Tell the truth Don. You wanted to separate the two halves of that hood all along to get to the last of the nasty you knew was up in there. :lol: :lol: :lol: Just kidding but I know with the way you have handled everything else that I bet there is some truth to it. Nice (thorough) job as always.
Man I can't get anything past you guys!
And yes  :yesnod: it did bother me that every time I moved the thing I could hear particles moving around inside it.


Quote from: hemi-hampton on April 15, 2022, 11:20:09 PM
Quote from: Stevearino on April 15, 2022, 04:04:28 PM
Tell the truth Don. You wanted to separate the two halves of that hood all along to get to the last of the nasty you knew was up in there. :lol: :lol: :lol: Just kidding but I know with the way you have handled everything else that I bet there is some truth to it. Nice (thorough) job as always.


I was thinking the same thing, didn't he separate the Trunk lid into 2 pieces? LEON.

Again, I just can't get away with anything.
Leon, you remember correctly. I originally separated the trunk lids, I had 3 of them to try and get 1 good one.

I ended up buying another one, which if you look back though the pages is the grey one. It is in really good condition. I HOPE
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: gers1968rt on June 07, 2022, 08:18:14 AM
Nice work as usual Don!  Glad to see you are still at it.
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on July 15, 2022, 03:17:12 PM
I now have the Charger on a rotisserie!
LOTS of welding and grinding ahead
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: JB400 on July 15, 2022, 06:37:45 PM
Good to see you're still moving forward 10 years in
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: hemi-hampton on July 15, 2022, 06:53:05 PM
At least you got all new clean metal. I've had cars turned sideways on Rotisserie's that were nothing but thousands of rust pits & craters that needed to be filled. time consuming pain in the Ass. LEON.
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: keepat on July 15, 2022, 07:11:59 PM
Don, all your hard work looks great on the rotisserie!
Good luck with the build!
Pat
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: Stevearino on July 15, 2022, 07:56:53 PM
Looking fantastic Don. That car has really risen from the ashes to be quite the piece.
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on August 24, 2022, 09:39:00 AM
Sorry I didn't respond earlier but for some reason I don't get notified anymore


Quote from: JB400 on July 15, 2022, 06:37:45 PM
Good to see you're still moving forward 10 years in
JB,Thanks for reminding me  :brickwall:

Quote from: hemi-hampton on July 15, 2022, 06:53:05 PM
At least you got all new clean metal. I've had cars turned sideways on Rotisserie's that were nothing but thousands of rust pits & craters that needed to be filled. time consuming pain in the Ass. LEON.
I know ALL ABOUT TIME CONSUMING!

Quote from: keepat on July 15, 2022, 07:11:59 PM
Don, all your hard work looks great on the rotisserie!
Good luck with the build!
Pat
Thanks Pat, that means a lot

Quote from: Stevearino on July 15, 2022, 07:56:53 PM
Looking fantastic Don. That car has really risen from the ashes to be quite the piece.
Thanks Steve, I still have a ways to go.
And let me say I REALLY enjoy your videos!!!!  :bow: :bow:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: tan top on August 31, 2022, 07:00:17 AM
Quote from: mopar4don on July 15, 2022, 03:17:12 PM
I now have the Charger on a rotisserie!
LOTS of welding and grinding ahead

looking good M4D  :yesnod:  :2thumbs:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: hemi-hampton on August 31, 2022, 09:15:29 PM
I see you put Sub Frame Connectors on it, Smart move to keep it sturdy as the Bodies Flex alot. Are they going to be Permanent or Temporary? LEON.
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on September 02, 2022, 10:30:57 AM
Quote from: tan top on August 31, 2022, 07:00:17 AM
Quote from: mopar4don on July 15, 2022, 03:17:12 PM
I now have the Charger on a rotisserie!
LOTS of welding and grinding ahead

looking good M4D  :yesnod:  :2thumbs:
Thanks



Quote from: hemi-hampton on August 31, 2022, 09:15:29 PM
I see you put Sub Frame Connectors on it, Smart move to keep it sturdy as the Bodies Flex alot. Are they going to be Permanent or Temporary? LEON.
Ahhhhhhhhhh      permanant.

How would one install them temporary??????
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on September 07, 2022, 05:51:36 AM
I now have the bottom of the car cleaned up and in epoxy primer. :yesnod:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on September 07, 2022, 05:53:07 AM

The next things to do are to install the gas tank brackets and torq boxes

and install a tube through drivers side sub frame connector for the e-brake cable
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: hemi-hampton on September 07, 2022, 08:13:29 PM
Quote from: mopar4don on September 02, 2022, 10:30:57 AM
Quote from: tan top on August 31, 2022, 07:00:17 AM
Quote from: mopar4don on July 15, 2022, 03:17:12 PM
I now have the Charger on a rotisserie!
LOTS of welding and grinding ahead

looking good M4D  :yesnod:  :2thumbs:
Thanks



Quote from: hemi-hampton on August 31, 2022, 09:15:29 PM
I see you put Sub Frame Connectors on it, Smart move to keep it sturdy as the Bodies Flex alot. Are they going to be Permanent or Temporary? LEON.
Ahhhhhhhhhh      permanant.

How would one install them temporary??????

I said Temporary because I only seen 3 small tack welds holding it. If Permanant your going to want a full solid bead all around it. I'm sure you know this just didn't get that far yet in Pic. Pic of yours below. Pic of last Frame Connectors I did. LEON.

Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on September 08, 2022, 03:42:14 PM
Thanks for clarifying that Leon, I was a bit confused on how they could be temporary. :scratchchin:
In that that pic you are right, they were tacked in when the car was on the frame jig. Knowing that it was going on the rotisserie were they were fully welded in.
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: hemi-hampton on September 08, 2022, 07:13:37 PM
I was kinda confused also, I thought some people don't like sub frame connectors & want to keep it more original, I thought maybe you put them on to hold more sturdy while on rotisserie but would maybe remove once off rotisserie. While your at that stage your at I always like to reinforce the the rear ends snubber bar plate on floor if your going to have lots of horsepower. LEON.
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on September 12, 2022, 03:02:27 PM
Quote from: hemi-hampton on September 08, 2022, 07:13:37 PM
I was kinda confused also, I thought some people don't like sub frame connectors & want to keep it more original, I thought maybe you put them on to hold more sturdy while on rotisserie but would maybe remove once off rotisserie. While your at that stage your at I always like to reinforce the the rear ends snubber bar plate on floor if your going to have lots of horsepower. LEON.

Ok how do you reinforce the snubber plate?
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on September 13, 2022, 08:48:16 AM
I have the drivers side torq boxes in
Not the best looking welds but I will clean them up a bit......
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: hemi-hampton on September 14, 2022, 11:10:04 PM
Quote from: mopar4don on September 12, 2022, 03:02:27 PM
Quote from: hemi-hampton on September 08, 2022, 07:13:37 PM
I was kinda confused also, I thought some people don't like sub frame connectors & want to keep it more original, I thought maybe you put them on to hold more sturdy while on rotisserie but would maybe remove once off rotisserie. While your at that stage your at I always like to reinforce the the rear ends snubber bar plate on floor if your going to have lots of horsepower. LEON.

Ok how do you reinforce the snubber plate?

Don, Do you have the old floor still? In your pic below I circled where the rear end snubber should contact floor under extreme acceleration, Traction Bars will help with axle wind to prevent this but if you have no Traction Bars this area could take a severe beating, Making it look like it was smacked with a slug hammer several times or even tearing/ripping the metal. Snubber extender could help with no traction bars. What I do is weld a 1/4" steel plate to this area to reinforce it. LEON.
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on September 16, 2022, 05:30:22 AM
Quote from: hemi-hampton on September 14, 2022, 11:10:04 PM
Quote from: mopar4don on September 12, 2022, 03:02:27 PM
Quote from: hemi-hampton on September 08, 2022, 07:13:37 PM
I was kinda confused also, I thought some people don't like sub frame connectors & want to keep it more original, I thought maybe you put them on to hold more sturdy while on rotisserie but would maybe remove once off rotisserie. While your at that stage your at I always like to reinforce the the rear ends snubber bar plate on floor if your going to have lots of horsepower. LEON.

Ok how do you reinforce the snubber plate?

Don, Do you have the old floor still? In your pic below I circled where the rear end snubber should contact floor under extreme acceleration, Traction Bars will help with axle wind to prevent this but if you have no Traction Bars this area could take a severe beating, Making it look like it was smacked with a slug hammer several times or even tearing/ripping the metal. Snubber extender could help with no traction bars. What I do is weld a 1/4" steel plate to this area to reinforce it. LEON.

Leon, you mention my old floor? If I still have it can I use it and weld it on top of my current one?
Do you have pictures of the reinforcement?
I found this pic from a fellow DC member. Would it be something like this?
Thanks, Don
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: hemi-hampton on September 16, 2022, 10:02:17 PM
That B5 Blue 70 Cuda I pictured above had a heavy duty plate welded to that Snubber Spot. But, I don't think I have a Picture of it or any of the other ones I did. If you can find your old floor, I'd like to see it & that spot. LEON.
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on November 15, 2022, 03:12:47 PM
Leon still not sure how to reinforce the snubber plate as I dont have the old floor


So here I have the gas tank brackets welded in
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on November 15, 2022, 03:14:33 PM
And here I am layout and fitting a piece of 1/2 black pipe for the e-brake cable pass thru tube.
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on November 15, 2022, 03:16:51 PM
So after I welded the black pipe in I inserted a piece of plastic pex (had to sand it to make it slide in) I did this to prevent the cable from rubbing metal on metal. I got the idea from keepat's build

THANKS KEEPAT
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: hemi-hampton on November 15, 2022, 07:32:20 PM
Quote from: mopar4don on September 16, 2022, 05:30:22 AM
Quote from: hemi-hampton on September 14, 2022, 11:10:04 PM
Quote from: mopar4don on September 12, 2022, 03:02:27 PM
Quote from: hemi-hampton on September 08, 2022, 07:13:37 PM
I was kinda confused also, I thought some people don't like sub frame connectors & want to keep it more original, I thought maybe you put them on to hold more sturdy while on rotisserie but would maybe remove once off rotisserie. While your at that stage your at I always like to reinforce the the rear ends snubber bar plate on floor if your going to have lots of horsepower. LEON.

Ok how do you reinforce the snubber plate?

Don, Do you have the old floor still? In your pic below I circled where the rear end snubber should contact floor under extreme acceleration, Traction Bars will help with axle wind to prevent this but if you have no Traction Bars this area could take a severe beating, Making it look like it was smacked with a slug hammer several times or even tearing/ripping the metal. Snubber extender could help with no traction bars. What I do is weld a 1/4" steel plate to this area to reinforce it. LEON.

Leon, you mention my old floor? If I still have it can I use it and weld it on top of my current one?
Do you have pictures of the reinforcement?
I found this pic from a fellow DC member. Would it be something like this?
Thanks, Don


You got a pic of the spot/area here in this post. just weld a 1/4 " thick steel plate over the existing factory tin foil plate. LEON.
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: keepat on November 20, 2022, 11:21:31 AM
Quote from: mopar4don on November 15, 2022, 03:16:51 PM
So after I welded the black pipe in I inserted a piece of plastic pex (had to sand it to make it slide in) I did this to prevent the cable from rubbing metal on metal. I got the idea from keepat's build

THANKS KEEPAT

Don,
Your charger is coming along, keep up the great work!
Pat
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on November 26, 2022, 07:09:18 PM
Quote from: keepat on November 20, 2022, 11:21:31 AM
Quote from: mopar4don on November 15, 2022, 03:16:51 PM
So after I welded the black pipe in I inserted a piece of plastic pex (had to sand it to make it slide in) I did this to prevent the cable from rubbing metal on metal. I got the idea from keepat's build

THANKS KEEPAT

Don,
Your charger is coming along, keep up the great work!
Pat

Thanks Pat!
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: tan top on November 27, 2022, 09:24:39 PM
 :2thumbs: :popcrn:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on February 10, 2023, 02:32:40 PM
UPDATE TIME!

I got the rear package tray cross member supports welded back in
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on February 10, 2023, 02:33:46 PM
The next thing I did was figure out where the console brackets needed to go
I used this pic I found to start off.
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on February 10, 2023, 02:34:48 PM
I had to modify my automatic console by cutting out for the floor hump.
I used this template I purchased a few years back
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on February 10, 2023, 02:36:31 PM
Then I had to mount the console brackets to the console and put the seats in to check the position of the console between the seats
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on February 10, 2023, 02:38:48 PM
Had a little help from my friends with the positioning of the console.
You can read about it here.......
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,141880.msg1749835.html#new (http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,141880.msg1749835.html#new)




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Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on July 25, 2023, 11:29:32 AM
Time to update!
Dang I forgot how to upload a pic!


Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on July 25, 2023, 11:37:25 AM
Time to update!


I've been working as much as possible over the last 6+ months and I need to get this thread updated.


Dana 60 rebuild

I found a Dana 60 that came out of a 1970 dodge truck and my friend helped me convert it to use in my Charger.



Here is my friend torching off the ends of the axle and spring perches

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Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on July 25, 2023, 11:41:51 AM
Here he is mocking up the new axle ends

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Then welding the ends onto the axle
 
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Here it is freshly painted
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And as it sits now. READY TO INSTALL!

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Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: Dino on July 26, 2023, 07:09:11 PM
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Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: moparstuart on July 28, 2023, 09:18:53 AM
NICE  :2thumbs:  :2thumbs:  :2thumbs:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on July 28, 2023, 11:27:33 AM
Thanks fellas.......


So I have what I think is a really nice trunk. But rather than hope its good then later on it bubble up on me I decided to strip it and make sure there are no surprises!

So here is the before

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And it didn't take long before I found a surprise!
If you look close there are 4 holes in the back lip that someone previously had tried pulling out a pretty good dent. They must have gave up cause there was a good 1/4 of bondo

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I went ahead and fully stripped the back side

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Here is my pup Hemi giving her approval.

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here you can see the dent and holes
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Then I sprayed it with epoxy to protect it.
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So this will get put to the side until I can fix that dent. But at least I know whats underneath!

 
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: Mr. Lee on August 01, 2023, 11:22:57 AM
My deepest respect for what you've accomplished over the past 10 years.

This wil be a great Charger  :2thumbs:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on August 02, 2023, 05:27:52 AM
Quote from: Mr. Lee on August 01, 2023, 11:22:57 AMMy deepest respect for what you've accomplished over the past 10 years.

This wil be a great Charger  :2thumbs:

Thank you so much!
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: tan top on August 02, 2023, 06:08:58 PM
looking good ! great stuff  :yesnod:  :2thumbs:  :popcrn:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on September 29, 2023, 12:47:29 PM
So I decided to make a temporary paint booth.

I have 10 foot ceilings so I put up some 2x4 framing attached to my garage door tracks.
Then I wrapped it in plastic. I used Norton Blue Sheeting comes in a roll of 16'x350'

The plan is to open overhead door just enough to put a fan under it, and another fan in the entry door.
I will wet the floors before painting.

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Sorry these are the only pics I have.     
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: hemi-hampton on September 29, 2023, 06:02:12 PM
did you put that snubber plate reinforcement in there? Leon.
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on October 02, 2023, 07:30:43 AM
Quote from: hemi-hampton on September 29, 2023, 06:02:12 PMdid you put that snubber plate reinforcement in there? Leon.
Good eyes!
No I did not. I guess I just figured I would not be racing it.
Do you think that is a mistake?
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: hemi-hampton on October 02, 2023, 08:12:23 PM
Quote from: mopar4don on October 02, 2023, 07:30:43 AM
Quote from: hemi-hampton on September 29, 2023, 06:02:12 PMdid you put that snubber plate reinforcement in there? Leon.
Good eyes!
No I did not. I guess I just figured I would not be racing it.
Do you think that is a mistake?

Well, I just figure if your going to add Sub Frame Connectors & other reinforcements you might as well add the pinion snubber plate. you say not racing but then sub frame connectors not needed then ect., ect. BUT, Really it's all optional & matter of opinion. Are you going to add a plate to reinforce lower control arms?
Here is a pic of a Cuda I did with all the reinforcements. Unfortunately this is the only Pic I got, the rest lost on old computer. in this pic you cant see the heavy duty snubber plate. Leon.

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Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on October 03, 2023, 03:20:54 PM
Quote from: hemi-hampton on October 02, 2023, 08:12:23 PM
Quote from: mopar4don on October 02, 2023, 07:30:43 AM
Quote from: hemi-hampton on September 29, 2023, 06:02:12 PMdid you put that snubber plate reinforcement in there? Leon.
Good eyes!
No I did not. I guess I just figured I would not be racing it.
Do you think that is a mistake?

Well, I just figure if your going to add Sub Frame Connectors & other reinforcements you might as well add the pinion snubber plate. you say not racing but then sub frame connectors not needed then ect., ect. BUT, Really it's all optional & matter of opinion. Are you going to add a plate to reinforce lower control arms?
Here is a pic of a Cuda I did with all the reinforcements. Unfortunately this is the only Pic I got, the rest lost on old computer. in this pic you cant see the heavy duty snubber plate. Leon.



Yes I welded in the firm feel reinforcement brackets on the lower control arms. along with their K-frame reinforcements. I documented it in this thread. (It was a long time ago)
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on October 03, 2023, 03:29:33 PM
I didn't like the way the quarter extensions matched so I did some metal work.

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I also didn't like how they looked down low so I fixed it

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Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: hemi-hampton on October 03, 2023, 07:52:53 PM
Quote from: mopar4don on October 03, 2023, 03:20:54 PM
Quote from: hemi-hampton on October 02, 2023, 08:12:23 PM
Quote from: mopar4don on October 02, 2023, 07:30:43 AM
Quote from: hemi-hampton on September 29, 2023, 06:02:12 PMdid you put that snubber plate reinforcement in there? Leon.
Good eyes!
No I did not. I guess I just figured I would not be racing it.
Do you think that is a mistake?

Well, I just figure if your going to add Sub Frame Connectors & other reinforcements you might as well add the pinion snubber plate. you say not racing but then sub frame connectors not needed then ect., ect. BUT, Really it's all optional & matter of opinion. Are you going to add a plate to reinforce lower control arms?
Here is a pic of a Cuda I did with all the reinforcements. Unfortunately this is the only Pic I got, the rest lost on old computer. in this pic you cant see the heavy duty snubber plate. Leon.



Yes I welded in the firm feel reinforcement brackets on the lower control arms. along with their K-frame reinforcements. I documented it in this thread. (It was a long time ago)

 :2thumbs:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: hemi-hampton on October 03, 2023, 07:58:54 PM
Working with aftermarket for many years I've ran into those same 1/4 panel problems (& many other fit problems) & have done all that same stuff, cut/splice weld ect., ect., And people wonder why it cost so much & take so much time to restore a Car. They don't understand until they try it for themselves & see all the problems you can run into. What really sucks is when someone restores a car & doesn't do anything to fix these bad fit problems. Your doing a great job on that one. LEON.
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on October 04, 2023, 05:24:10 AM
Thankyou
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: Stevearino on October 06, 2023, 04:07:22 PM
Better than factory. Nice work as always Don.
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on October 09, 2023, 09:02:58 AM
Thanks Steve.
And just so you know, every friday I look forward to your youtube update!
You Sir, are amazing!
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: Kern Dog on October 09, 2023, 01:40:44 PM
Quote from: mopar4don on October 03, 2023, 03:29:33 PMI didn't like the way the quarter extensions matched so I did some metal work.



I also didn't like how they looked down low so I fixed it

    
 

I love the attention to "blueprinting" the body like you're doing here. It is what makes a car really stand out compared to an original. I'm impressed. You inspire me to do the same when I go through the body on "Jigsaw".


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Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: hemi-hampton on October 09, 2023, 07:12:01 PM



 :rofl:  :hah:  :smilielol:  :lol:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on November 30, 2023, 03:00:39 PM
Getting ready to paint, but before I do that I wanted to get Resto Ricks undercoating sprayed inside the trunk.
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Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on November 30, 2023, 03:06:50 PM
And here is what it looks like after paint

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Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on November 30, 2023, 03:09:10 PM
A few more....

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Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on November 30, 2023, 03:11:12 PM
A HUGE THANK YOU! to my friend Ralph who did the painting


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Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: timmycharger on November 30, 2023, 03:54:30 PM
 :cheers: Looks amazing! Such great work on this build, I learned so much about how these panels go together from your work and documentation. Thank you!   :popcrn:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on December 01, 2023, 06:27:52 AM
Thanks Timmy, I still have a ways to go.
Next up, final gaps and final metal work.
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: tan top on December 01, 2023, 09:02:35 AM
 :coolgleamA:  looking good M4D  :yesnod:  :2thumbs:
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: birdsandbees on December 01, 2023, 01:33:13 PM
Now there's a BIG step. Looking good Don.. keep at'r !
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: Charger-Bodie on December 01, 2023, 03:51:05 PM
exciting times
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on December 01, 2023, 04:20:08 PM
Quote from: tan top on December 01, 2023, 09:02:35 AM:coolgleamA:  looking good M4D  :yesnod:  :2thumbs:
Thank you

Quote from: birdsandbees on December 01, 2023, 01:33:13 PMNow there's a BIG step. Looking good Don.. keep at'r !
Thanks Wayne. A huge step for sure. (every time I see a 7up machine for sale I think of you)  :icon_smile_big:

Quote from: Charger-Bodie on December 01, 2023, 03:51:05 PMexciting times

Thanks
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: Dino on December 01, 2023, 06:05:19 PM
Woot woot!! That is awesome! Nice work Don!
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: JB400 on December 03, 2023, 08:11:36 PM
 :drool5:  :drool5:  :drool5:  :drool5:


Looks good. Can't wait to see the rest of it painted
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on March 28, 2024, 11:51:50 AM
Here is a long overdue update!

My deck lid needs some more attention, so I used a stud gun and pulled out a dent.
These 3 pics are what I have showing the process

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So next I wanted to strip it to be sure there were no surprises!
I used a heat gun and putty knife to get the majority of the filler.
Then followed that with a wire wheel.

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Overall its good. It just had a lot of filler   
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on March 28, 2024, 11:55:12 AM
Here are a couple more pics showing the dented area

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Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on April 12, 2024, 02:57:06 PM
Next up hood hinges.....

I was having a problem with the hood not closing properly.
When I would close the hood, the back edge along the cowl on the passenger side was not down all the way.
I would say it was up about a 1/4 of an inch.

So I removed both hinges and took the spring off. I checked all the joints and they seemed ok.
What I found was that the teeth were worn really bad!

This is the only pic I have showing how bad the teeth are worn. (zoom in to see the gap between the teeth)
Yes I know this pic shows the hinge in the open position but trust me they are just as bad when in the closed position.

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Now it just so happens that I have a few extra sets of hinges.
You would think I could find a good set.... NOPE! They are all bad!

So I decided to fix these. And this blue hinge would be the test subject.

I had to do a LOT and I mean a LOT of research to come up with the right gear tooth shape.

Once I had the shape I drew it up in CAD/CAM then machined it into acrylic and tested it. NICE and SMOOTH!

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So next I welded up the teeth, and made a fixture, then machined the new teeth.

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A friend made up some new rivets and after machining the pivot holes I put it together and it worked perfectly!
NICE and SMOOTH!

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So since it all worked I went ahead and picked a set of hinges. Machined new pivot holes for all the joints, and welded up and machined new teeth, epoxy primed everything, and installed the rivets.

I am happy to report that they work flawlessly on the car! And yes, when I close the hood, it truly closes all the way! 
   
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on April 12, 2024, 03:01:50 PM
These are the only pics of the rebuilt hinges. And they show how I mushroomed the back side of the rivets in my press.

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Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: Dino on April 12, 2024, 08:07:31 PM
Amazing work as always! My hood does the same thing. After I close it, I need to push down the passenger side rear corner.
Title: Re: Don's 69 Charger Rust Belt restoration
Post by: mopar4don on April 15, 2024, 12:11:32 PM
Hey Dino,
Thanks for responding...
Yeah I think its a common problem as those springs are really strong and I think the reason the teeth wear out.