Why doesn't it fit?

[Fred]

Ok, Here's the deal. I thought I bought the correct linkage. Imagine my surprise when I tried to mount it to the wiper motor without success. Seems the slot isn't long enough. Will modifying the slot to make it fit work or will that cause problems?
Going by the numbers on the wiper motor,  I thought it was for a 68/69......did I get it wrong?

[A383Wing]

that almost looks like a transmission shift lever to me........

[Fred]

that almost looks like a transmission shift lever to me........

Hang on Bryan, you didn't give me a chance to explain. 

[A383Wing]

I got some "correct" wiper linkage levers here...just sayin'

[Fred]

I got some "correct" wiper linkage levers here...just sayin'

But will it fit this motor?
I just bought this one off a member on the forum thinking it was right. Arrived today.

What's the number on your linkage Bryan?

[A383Wing]

I'll look tomorrow....it's past my bedtime here....

that lever ain't gonna work on that motor

[Fred]

I'll look tomorrow....it's past my bedtime here....

that lever ain't gonna work on that motor

   

[charger Downunder]

Is there two differant linkages one for a two speed and one for a three speed wiper motor.?

[Fred]

Is there two differant linkages one for a two speed and one for a three speed wiper motor.?

Yes there are. The one I wanted and bought is for a 3 speed which is why I'm baffled. According to my research it should have been perfect. Go figure.   

[Bob T]

Is there two differant linkages one for a two speed and one for a three speed wiper motor.?

Yes there are. The one I wanted and bought is for a 3 speed which is why I'm baffled. According to my research it should have been perfect. Go figure.  

Maybe some dude just put the wrong one in a box   I took back a harmonic balancer back last week that wouldnt fit  
If you have to wait weeks, I'd file it, just me though.
Anyway, hey, how's things where you are? Hope all is safe, I've seen coverage of the terrible bushfires around NSW on the news, 63! fronts on at once, that scary

[Fred]

Is there two differant linkages one for a two speed and one for a three speed wiper motor.?

Yes there are. The one I wanted and bought is for a 3 speed which is why I'm baffled. According to my research it should have been perfect. Go figure.  

Maybe some dude just put the wrong one in a box   I took back a harmonic balancer back last week that wouldnt fit  
If you have to wait weeks, I'd file it, just me though.
Anyway, hey, how's things where you are? Hope all is safe, I've seen coverage of the terrible bushfires around NSW on the news, 63! fronts on at once, that scary

Unfortunately Kelvin I can't return the part because it came with the numbers I quoted on it. So it's not technically the sellers fault. I guess I'll be filing it.
Everything's fine here. The fires in NSW is bad news for sure, just terrible. All those homes lost not to mention wild life. It's all too sad. No fires here yet and hopefully none through the summer months either. Although I don't doubt it will burn somewhere thanks to these pyromaniacs.
It's a little wet here at present.....the charger won't stick it's nose out of the garage lol. Honestly, I got more driving done through winter than I have this spring.

[A383Wing]

Hey Fred....I think you got the wrong lever....just sayin'

[Fred]

Bryan
It's really hard to tell just by looking at the pics which one would fit.
I took some measurements and the slot in the 3 speed wiper motor crank arm has to measure 15.8mm x 9.6mm. So if you've got one with those measurements that should fit providing the cam post is correct.

Cheers, Fred

[A383Wing]

pic #2 has the small hole for wiper motor in pic #1..which has the same part number as the one you got if I'm reading it right.

Pic #4 has much longer slot for wiper motor in pic #3...which carry's a different part number...

Let me check the dimensions and get back to ya

[A383Wing]

Mine measures 15.8mm x 9.6mm.....but the one I have seems to have a brass bushing on the stub shaft that I cannot get off...if it comes off....I may have to look at my other wiper motors to see if I have another

[Fred]

pic 1 + 2 has a different part number to mine. Mine's 2822273 (not 2)

pic 3 + 4 the slot looks good providing it measures up but the cam post doesn't look right. It should look like the one in pic 1 + 2.

[Fred]

Mine measures 15.8mm x 9.6mm.....but the one I have seems to have a brass bushing on the stub shaft that I cannot get off...if it comes off....I may have to look at my other wiper motors to see if I have another

Bryan without the brass bushing that looks perfect. If it's only a brass bushing, it should come off.

[ws23rt]

I've been following this and am surprised that the output shaft from the wiper gear box is different between two of the pictures you are working with.

Yours Fred looks to be centered with the larger slot required to mount the lever.

One of your pics Brian has an output shaft offset from gearbox center and a smaller slot required.  This one looks as if it would move in an eccentric motion as well as rotation. I have one of those on the shelf that I looked at.

So this is news to me I thought all three speed wiper motor assemblies  were the same

[A383Wing]

ok...let me go out and dig all my wiper motors out of the shelf and look at every shaft...it will be tomorrow now....I tried to get the bushing off, but it would not move...I didn't try with a lot of force for fear of destroying the lever in-case it was a piece that is supposed to be there

yea..I see the part number difference you referred to..the 2 vs the 3 on the lever with smaller opening. Also note that the smaller opening one is not situated in the same relation to the larger one...looks like the larger one is parallel with the levers sides, the smaller one is turned a bit....

this is news to me as also, I thought all variable speed & 3-speed motors were the same as well

Bryan

[Fred]

Me too Bruce which is why I'm up shit creek now.  I thought I did my homework. Got the parts number and everything.


Thanks Bryan, much appreciated. If all else fails and you want to part with yours, I'll be happy to get the bushing off myself.

[A383Wing]

I'll send it to ya...you just pay the ride down .....let me look tomorrow and see if I have one without a bushing..i would hate to send this and you destroy it trying to get what appears to be a bushing off and it's not designed to be removed

patience grasshoppa...

[hawkeye]

These cranks use a different plastic bushing.  It is 2 piece with a spring in it.  The point and size of attachment to the wiper arm is the same as the 273.   You need to get the entire crank (with the 2 piece plastic part and spring) like 383 wing is showing you or get a motor that will fit a 273 crank.  According to Kim at Passion For Mopars, the 1st 68's had the same motor as the 67's (black and silver) then they went to the 982's with this crank and later ones had the same motors as the 69's and 70's, the 116's and 033's with the 273 crank.

[Fred]

hawkeye, the number on my motor is 2889982. So would this be what I need or are there other options?

[hawkeye]

hawkeye, the number on my motor is 2889982. So would this be what I need or are there other options?

You either have to get a complete crank like this to go with your motor or covert to the newer motors (116 or 033) with the 273 crank.  Kim said the wiring is the same and they are completely interchangeable were they hook to the wiper arms.

[Fred]

 


Are you following all this Bryan? 

[ws23rt]

hawkeye, the number on my motor is 2889982. So would this be what I need or are there other options?

You either have to get a complete crank like this to go with your motor or covert to the newer motors (116 or 033) with the 273 crank.  Kim said the wiring is the same and they are completely interchangeable were they hook to the wiper arms.

From this I am learning that the output shaft is not the same for all three speed wiper assembly's.  Is this the case?  (116 or 033). Are their others?

[twodko]

Problematic to be sure but the "cool" aspect of this dilemma...........priceless.

[hawkeye]

Are you following all this Bryan? 

I am afraid Bryan has forgotten more than I will ever know about Mopars.  The only reason I am schooled on this is I have a 68 with this bell crank and I called Kim.  She said that the 2nd gen chargers could only have 3 different cranks on the 3 speed wipers.

[Fred]

Problematic to be sure but the "cool" aspect of this dilemma...........priceless.

You can say that again........it's costing me a small fortune 

[A383Wing]

So...do I go out to the garage tomorrow and look at the rest of my motors?

yer call Fred...let me know how to proceed

Bryan

[Fred]

So...do I go out to the garage tomorrow and look at the rest of my motors?

yer call Fred...let me know how to proceed

Bryan

Yes please.
PM sent Bryan.

[A383Wing]

OK Fred..here's the news.....I went out and checked all my motors, 2spd, 3spd, & variable speed....all have the levers still on them. I have only 2 of the levers as pictured above in my post...that have the long opening and both have the bushing on the lever stud...and I could not get the bushing off. Both these levers have the same part number and both came off wiper motor #2770147. I do not have any plastic bushings or springs...evidently I was not smart enough to save all that little stuff back then.

you decide on what you wanna do

Bryan

[ws23rt]

I'm still interested in the rest of the story.

In reply 3 pic #1 shows a square drive output shaft on the wiper assembly. (three speed or variable speed?)

Fred has a wiper assy. that has the rectangular shaped out put shaft.

Is one the variable speed vs 3 speed?  Or is there a longer answer to the differences?

[A383Wing]

I don't see any pictures in "reply #3" and I made that reply 

[ws23rt]

I don't see any pictures in "reply #3" and I made that reply 

Sorry--your reply #11---first pic  ---I'm slipping a little every day.   My Gf says I have dementia ---I think I used to know what that is

[fy469rtse]

Fred,
are you replacing your wiper motor, is that why you have lever off, every motor I have had rebuilt for my cars was done by passion for mopars, contact them for linkages , I had to on current car as was a rolling shell and was 3 speed wipers, kim was a great help getting the correct linkage more importantly the bushing in good condition, not reproduced as yet

[A383Wing]

I don't see any pictures in "reply #3" and I made that reply 

Sorry--your reply #11---first pic  ---I'm slipping a little every day.   My Gf says I have dementia ---I think I used to know what that is

OK...those pictures are of my wiper motors here at the house. I have all variable speed motors from 66 & 67 Chargers that I parted out decades ago...plus & have a couple 2 speed motors from a few 67's that went away as well. The first pic in post #11 shows lever still attached, it's not a "square" hole, there is a rounded end to one side of the square. The last 2 pics are showing a longer "rectangular" style hole in the lever, which mates with the same longer shaft on the wiper motors, which is the same dimensions as what Fred posted as well. Also note that the longer rectangular hole also has 2 rounded edges in the slot...

I have not parted out anything newer than 67 in my life...so I know these wiper motors are from 66 & 67 "B" body cars

Bryan

[ws23rt]

I don't see any pictures in "reply #3" and I made that reply 

Sorry--your reply #11---first pic  ---I'm slipping a little every day.   My Gf says I have dementia ---I think I used to know what that is

OK...those pictures are of my wiper motors here at the house. I have all variable speed motors from 66 & 67 Chargers that I parted out decades ago...plus & have a couple 2 speed motors from a few 67's that went away as well. The first pic in post #11 shows lever still attached, it's not a "square" hole, there is a rounded end to one side of the square. The last 2 pics are showing a longer "rectangular" style hole in the lever, which mates with the same longer shaft on the wiper motors, which is the same dimensions as what Fred posted as well. Also note that the longer rectangular hole also has 2 rounded edges in the slot...

I have not parted out anything newer than 67 in my life...so I know these wiper motors are from 66 & 67 "B" body cars

Bryan

This is what I was asking about.  I know the holes are not sq corner.  I said sq vs rectangular to be shorter in description.

So I still wonder about the difference.  Are they both three speed?  Is one a variable speed?  If so which one?

[Fred]

Fred,
are you replacing your wiper motor, is that why you have lever off, every motor I have had rebuilt for my cars was done by passion for mopars, contact them for linkages , I had to on current car as was a rolling shell and was 3 speed wipers, kim was a great help getting the correct linkage more importantly the bushing in good condition, not reproduced as yet

Thanks mate.

[A383Wing]

So I still wonder about the difference.  Are they both three speed?  Is one a variable speed?  If so which one?

I'm pretty sure they are variable speed...all came from 66 & 67 Chargers...there was no "3spd option" back then

but, I have heard that 3spd & variable speed wiper motors will interchange....up until now that is

[AKcharger]

It's almost like 40 years ago the part designers thought "hey lets use different parts to really, really, really give restorers in the future a HUGE headache!" 

[JB400]

It's almost like 40 years ago the part designers thought "hey lets use different parts to really, really, really give restorers in the future a HUGE headache!"  

And do this every year with no interchange   

[Fred]

It's almost like 40 years ago the part designers thought "hey lets use different parts to really, really, really give restorers in the future a HUGE headache!"  

And do this every year with no interchange  

Yeah and it's not like I can just take it back to the store I bought it from.  

[fy469rtse]

Sorry Fred checked through my photos to my 68 I had restored, but I couldn't see the part numbers, google passion for mopars , Kim usually has a lot of photos up on her website, also regularly has wiper motors on ebay with multiple photos

[Fred]

Sorry Fred checked through my photos to my 68 I had restored, but I couldn't see the part numbers, google passion for mopars , Kim usually has a lot of photos up on her website, also regularly has wiper motors on ebay with multiple photos

Thanks fy, I've already consulted with Kim and have got it all sorted. 

[hawkeye]

What did you end up doing?

[A383Wing]

What did you end up doing?

[ws23rt]

What did you end up doing?

Yeh Fred what's the rest of the story?   

[hawkeye]

What did you end up doing?

Yeh Fred what's the rest of the story?   

Inquiring minds want to know!!!

[JB400]

What did you end up doing?

Yeh Fred what's the rest of the story?   

Maybe, you should ask Paul Harvey

[Fred]

What did you end up doing?

PM sent Bryan.

[Fred]

Ok guys, I consulted with Kim and she has everything I need. This is what I'm getting.........

[A383Wing]

does she know that you need the "upside-down version" of the picture above?

[Fred]

I need help. Which pic is the right way up?  Number 53 or 51.......

[JB400]

What if you rotated it 270 degrees to the right?

[Fred]

What if you rotated it 270 degrees to the right?

Definitely food for thought. But will that confuse the hell out of us?

[A383Wing]

What if you rotated it 270 degrees to the right?

who's right,, his or ours? 

[nvrbdn]

damn, too much thinking in this thread.    im goin back to bed.

[Fred]

damn, too much thinking in this thread.    im goin back to bed.

What if you rotated it 270 degrees to the right?

who's right,, his or ours? 

Let's leave this one to ws23rt. He's been known to like a challenge.

[ws23rt]

damn, too much thinking in this thread.    im goin back to bed.

What if you rotated it 270 degrees to the right?

who's right,, his or ours?  

Let's leave this one to ws23rt. He's been known to like a challenge.

Come on guys--can't you see whats going on here?

The small output shaft moves in an eccentric motion relative to the center turning of the shaft. Thus it must be for those that need a wiper that makes a circular motion as it rotates. This is to combat those pesky streaks we all dislike. Swirls are much more pleasant to look through when it rains.

The trouble comes from the fact that the engineers didn't add the needed eccentric on the wiper itself so the connecting arms just wobbled instead.
I suspect that some heads rolled in the engineering dept. over this but the bottom line was that no one would notice. (until now).
They then went to a center drive to eliminate the pesky wobble and hoped again that no one would notice down the line.
This is one of those big cover ups that never made the news.  

[A383Wing]

Uh huh....what??

[Fred]

damn, too much thinking in this thread.    im goin back to bed.

What if you rotated it 270 degrees to the right?

who's right,, his or ours?  

Let's leave this one to ws23rt. He's been known to like a challenge.

Come on guys--can't you see whats going on here?

The small output shaft moves in an eccentric motion relative to the center turning of the shaft. Thus it must be for those that need a wiper that makes a circular motion as it rotates. This is to combat those pesky streaks we all dislike. Swirls are much more pleasant to look through when it rains.

The trouble comes from the fact that the engineers didn't add the needed eccentric on the wiper itself so the connecting arms just wobbled instead.
I suspect that some heads rolled in the engineering dept. over this but the bottom line was that no one would notice. (until now).
They then went to a center drive to eliminate the pesky wobble and hoped again that no one would notice down the line.
This is one of those big cover ups that never made the news.  

And no doubt would have stayed covered up right up until I inadvertently uncovered it on discovering nothing fits!

[tsmithae]

Is that what she said?

[Fred]

Uh huh....what??

Are you saying you're at the bottom of the pecking order?..........that's a long way down.

[Fred]

Is that what she said?

Yes that's right and after that she added more.

[A383Wing]

Uh huh....what??

Are you saying you're at the bottom of the pecking order?..........that's a long way down.

no where to go but up from the view down here

[JB400]

Uh huh....what??

Are you saying you're at the bottom of the pecking order?..........that's a long way down.

no where to go but up from the view down here

Does that mean you're in the bottom bunk?

[Fred]

Uh huh....what??

Are you saying you're at the bottom of the pecking order?..........that's a long way down.

no where to go but up from the view down here

Enjoy!

[Fred]

Uh huh....what??

Are you saying you're at the bottom of the pecking order?..........that's a long way down.

no where to go but up from the view down here

Does that mean you're in the bottom bunk?

I've got to say it's awfully crowded. I wish some of you would use the top bunks instead.

[Fred]

What did you end up doing?

Yeh Fred what's the rest of the story?   

Back on track.......
As I said I consulted with Kim and she has what I need. Will keep you up to date when it arrives. You can have pics too if you want.

[Fred]

Well guys, after consulting with Kim and purchasing what I needed from her, I've installed my 3 speed wiper motor and it works like a charm.

Thanks for all your help Kim.