We'll I've decided to try and share with you my story of me and my B5 blue Daytona! This will not be just about the car but me, my family and friends met and lost along the way. I will also tell my story of what made me decide to get a Daytona and all those who got me to that point. Stick with me and you'll see plenty of pictures of the Daytona I have at least 2,000 of the restoration by TROY ANGELLY RESTORATIONS. I am going to do my best with this and ask for help. I will start the journey with the first picture it was taken at Tim Wellborns museum on Friday of the Talladega meet. It has in the picture my wife Linda, myself and our freshly restored B5 Daytona. Linda told me that I wasn't going to get anything for Christmas after we spent all our savings on the restoration. Well, this weekend she went out and had these picture Christmas cards made! I'd be happy with these as a gift. So to all you Dodge Charger.com members here's our Merry Christmas wish to all! Linda is a car gal and if it wern't for that things like this wouldn't happen! I love her to death even though she likes Mustangs. But she isn't all bad her birthday is April 26th ( 426 )!!!! How's that for a Mopar Wife?
The next picture is taken at Troy Angelly's shop on Tuesday October 27th when we stopped on the way to Talladega to pick up the Daytona. In the picture from left to right is Troy Angelly the shop owner, his employees Dwayne who did a ton of the sanding and Phil who did a lot of detail work. This was one of the happiest days of my life! The Daytona was dropped off on November 15th 2008 with the greatest of hopes that it would make it to Talladega. I told Troy that I would haul what was done down there even if it wasn't complete. The car is not done and may never be done if you car guys know what I mean. We have more NOS parts to replace some of the reproduction parts that were on the car to get it to the AERO WARRIOR REUNION.
I want to stop here and acknowledge Tim and Pam Wellborn!!! They don't realize how much they are doing for our aero car hobby by holding these reunions!!! I don't know how many stories I heard about people going the extra mile to get a car done and make it there. The young couple next to us in the front row of the panoramic shot with the black Superbird just finished it and drove straight through from California as an example. Cars would never get done if it wern't for these type of shows and get togethers. I would also like to thank Doug Schellinger and his helpers from the club end on putting the reunion together job well done. Enough verbage for this initial post.
Mopar John Borzych
I told you that I would ask for help on this. Could someone tell me what size picture the post takes so that everyone reading it won't have to use the side to side arrows?
Thanks!
The answer to that question is going to be different for everyone. It depends on how large of a monitor they have, and what their computer's display settings are. Those factors determine how large of a picture will display without involving the dreaded scroll bar. What will display fine for one person may not display w/o scroll bars for another.
If you go too small, the pics will display as you wish on everyone's monitor -- but at the cost of detail. Some of us thrive on the detail, y'know!
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Gene,
It is ironic that you are the first to reply to my post. Thanks for the info on the picture size! I will leave them as is for now. I know everyone will want as much detail as possible! I have enjoyed your post and I think mine will enhance it. We both have a severe passion to make our Daytonas the best that they can be but we have traveled much differant roads to get there. Differant shops both with great experience and reputations as an example.
Mopar John
Thanks for taking the time to share your story John, That is truly a fantastic car. I look forward to the rest of the pics.
By the way, I totally agree with you on the influence that these reunions have on the hobby. I know I did a bunch of extra detail work, I think everyone does too, and it shows. I do think it is funny how much extra effort we all put into a show with no prizes or trophies or judging.
Also - did you have your car at the show in Rosemont, IL a few weeks ago? A Pontiac guy was telling me about this awesome Daytona he saw that was blue on blue with a white stripe...
Dave,
I hope you enjoy my story. My car was not at the Rosemont show. We want to finish more details before it goes to another show. Talladega only comes around every 5 years and who knows what could happen by the next one?
My journey starts in January 1954. I was born on 123 or January 23rd to a Polish union electrician and a polish stay at home mom. So at least I'm a pure bred Polack and proud of it just ask my family and friends. My mom and dad are still alive and I just helped them move from the buisness that they retired from and helped support us. It was a little 12 room motel on HWY 421 south of Michigan City, Indiana called Norberts motel after my dad. Here is a picture of mom and dad on that day near the back of my box trailer.
John..
You truly have a wonderful family and car. I look forward in reading more about the car and your journey. I saw it there at the reunion and loved the car. Sorry I didn't get to spend time chatting with you. I think a lot of us were caught up reconnecting with distant friendships....
Cheers,
Troy
Well I'm liking this story already. :2thumbs: By all means please continue. :yesnod: Very interesting.
I enjoy the cars.However the stories that go along with them peak my intrest more than anything.Keep it coming.JW
awesome car and story so far , would love to here about the kansas city connection and about the sister car too ? :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5:
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Well I'm liking this story already. :2thumbs: By all means please continue. :yesnod: Very interesting.
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Quote from: Davtona on December 07, 2009, 11:06:59 AM
Well I'm liking this story already. :2thumbs: By all means please continue. :yesnod: Very interesting.
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this is how i resize my pictures ,
http://www.picresize.com
follow the insrtructions , click on custom settings , risize in pixels then type 400 in the box nest to it , that works for me , prolly not the best was to do it though :scratchchin:
Great story John! Now, if you could just change that horn relay to an NOS one....... :lol: :cheers:
Quote from: moparstuart on December 07, 2009, 11:46:01 AM
awesome car and story so far , would love to here about the kansas city connection and about the sister car too ? :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5:
It's a good story, but I won't spill the beans...
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Quote from: moparstuart on December 07, 2009, 11:46:01 AM
awesome car and story so far , would love to here about the kansas city connection and about the sister car too ? :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5:
It's a good story, but I won't spill the beans...
me either ? LOL I wont tell anyone about the jail time LOL or the third car that had a Hemi .
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Thanks everyone for the positive comments! I think I will have you all covered as this goes on. I just finished two twelve hour midnights and got this started when I got home. My mom and dad and I lived in a small block home that he helped build right across the driveway from my dads mom amd dad or my grandma and grandpa. But their place was special!! My grandma had a soda counter and a restaurant called LAKESHORE BARBEQUE and my grandpa had a gas station called BORZYCH's SHELL. Can you see where this thing is going?? We'll when I was about one year old everyone was excited and telling me that I was going to have someone to play with and it was going to come out of my moms big tummy??? The day finally came and my mom and dad went to the hospital and my brother TOMMY was born. Everybody was kind of happy. Tommy was born sick and only lived nine days! I don't think I ever got to see him but I miss him and what could have been. This was my first experience with death. I didn't like it then and I don't like it know! The days following that were really bad! My dad would go to work and put wires in peoples houses and my mom would stay home and cry. Some times she would send me over to grandamas and grandpas to help? One of my earliest memories of their place was I had a three wheel tricycle with a pickup type bed on the back. The place was laid out kind of like Pocono with a tri oval going around the differant rooms. When the buisness was not open I would race around this thing. One day I was hanging to the inside too close and caught one of my grandparnets light poles with the back inside wheel. This thing was made out of wood and was high with a big white thing on top. They would light it up when it got dark out. The lamp pole came down fast and hard before I could do anything about it$%^&***! The big white thing on top hit the back end of my bike and broke into more pieces than I knew how to count back then. It was my first attempt at suicide. My grandma was angry and using her other talk that she used when they didn't want me to know what they were saying.
Their buisness was on HWY 12 or the DUNES HWY near Michigan City. It was real busy in the summer time, REAL BUSY. If you took route 66 west to Chicago you finished the drive on HWY 12 to Detroit. I remeber helping!
I would run this thing that had a bunch of squares. My grandma would peel potatoes and then hand them to me and I would put them in the square machine and make a lot of long potatoes that I know now as french fries. The ones at McDonalds taste like crap compared to grandmas and mine! I also remember making hamburgers, piles of them! She would make them up and I would run the squasher and flatten them and put paper in between. These also tasted great and everyone else must have because did I tell you this place was busy!!! When I got older I got to help my grandpa on the gas station side! WOW!!! I remeber carrying metal things with painted stuff on them that I now know as numbers. We would go out and change his signs, sometimes several times a day. He would get angry and talk about a gas war and it would scare me. I was wondering if someone would hurt us with the gas he pumped? I remember he had these round cans all stacked up in differant colors and cars would come in and he would open the front up and pull this thing out. If he didn't like what he saw on it he would stick this shiny thing in the top of the can and pour it into the car. Some of these cars would make there own clouds but close to the ground?? There were all differant cars big and bigger some shiny and some looked like the fire truck dogs??
My grandpa would let me look at stuff when there wasn't a lot going on. This my friends was the beginning of my car interest ( THANKS GRANDPA!! ). I am going to visit Linda at work near my old home and my grand parents buisness today. I am going to try and get a picture for you later today! Stay tuned for more!!
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Thanks for sharing your cars story :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
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I went to Lindas work site and on the way I took the pictures as promised of my childhood home and my grandparents buisness. It has been remodeled and expanded. There is no longer a driveway between them but you will get the idea of how close it was. The buisness is no longer a gas station just a roadside eatery with good food! Not as good as grandmas! They still have the old gas pumps but there enclosed in a summer eating area. The yellow pump that was regular still shows 17.9 cents per gallon and the white pump that was called ethyl is at 21.9 cents per gallon. They made a living off that back then??? When I got back home tonight my Talladega panoramic photo was here! Who needs Christmas presents with stuff like this going on. The B5 Daytona the subject of this post is in the front row just one car left of center. If you notice the front center is red, white and blue cars. That was the making of Dave and Barney Kanofsky fellow CMC members of mine that also own one of those R4 red cars with a white wing.
I will now continue on the things in life that make a motorhead/car guy. Now I'm 3 and mom is going to have another baby? I am going into this with mixed feelings. She does smile again but what if this one doesn't make it? Well, all went well and I have a baby sister Maria. About this time I also got my first friend Timmy Lang. Timmy's mom was a stay at home mom and his dad had a buisness a BODY shop. I didn't know what bodies had to do with cars but they would bring in wrecked cars and Timmy's dad and his guys would fix them. They would haul them in with the old tow trucks that would only lift up one end not the whole car like they do today. When they brought them in they would back them in the building or put them in a fence next to it. I remeber the first time we walked down to Timmy's house. We had to walk since mom was a Chicago gal and they didn't have cars so she didn't know how to drive. I felt sorry for her! When we got by the fence for the body shop 2 real mean dogs came running at the fence with the biggest teeth I had seen up to that point in my life! I had pretty good control of my body functions by then but lost it and wet my shorts. I also remeber a great smell that would come out of that place kinda like my grandmas baking. I always wanted to go in side and see how they fixed them cars. They would be out front waiting for the owners to pick them up when they were done and they looked great. Timmy and I were good friends and had lots of fun. Well when I turned 4 a lot of things started to happen. My mom was learning how to drive and my mom and dad were going to open their own buisness a MOTEL! My dad would come home and set up stuff in the yard and my mom would practice driving. It didn't go so well and I got my chance to see the inside of MR. Lang's body shop. While he looked over the damge to the car I looked over the shop. They had cars apart and chains in the floor to pull things back in shape. But way in the back I found what I was looking for. Thats where they painted the cars and thats the smell I craved. I still love the smell of fresh paint on a car!
I have attached a picture of the Langs old body shop that is now a differant buisness. If you look close you will see the Pumps On Twelve in the distance to see how close by it was.
My mom and dad sold our home to my grandma and I thought they were going to move in there and make more room for the buisness. My dad bought a big red DODGE truck with a flat bed for building the motel. I would ride with him a lot in this truck and helped build the motel. They had just built the Indiana Toll Road and his motel was right by it. It was built in a clay farm field and I didn't like that stuff then and don't like it now. I have never seen so many stuck cement trucks in my life! Sometimes two at a time. There were tractors and even bulldozers that had to come get them out. I always wondered what would happen if they didn't get one out and the cement got hard in the truck? Well mom and dad had a good buisness and we didn't get to go on any vacations except when they took me by grandmas and granpas to help! As I grew up I saw a lot of things pass through the motel. New trucks and equipment, circus animals, hearses transporting loved ones you name it. I would help with a lot of things like shoveling snow, raking stones back on the driveway and mowing the lawn. Later dad decided he needed a restaurant to feed the guests so he put one up. There was two things that I liked about it. First if I didn't like what mom had for supper I could go get a hamburger ( not as good as grandmas ) and the trips to town. If we ran short of something dad would say Johnny we have to run to town. He would fire up one of his V8 Buicks and off we'd go on the 7 mile trip with only one stop light. The speed limit on HWY 421 was 65mph back then and I know we would exceed that and it was GREAT!! We would be back in time for the guests to eat and not now what happened. At first I would push mow the grass and then we got our first riding lawn mower! It was fun to do that now! When that mower wore out my dad got a new one and let me have the old one. I took the mower deck off and kind of used it like a big go kart. One day I was in the shed and there was an old pair of snow tires from a car we didn't have anymore. Back then everyone had an extra set of wheels with snow tires for the winter. I asked my dad if I could have the old snow tires and he gave them to me. I wanted to mount them on the back of the old lawn mower and make it FASTER. I had to make a plate for each side because the lawnmower used three bolts and the snow tires had five. I finally got them mounted and it sat like a pulling tractor and it was FAST! At least for a lawn mower. I drove that thing everywhere. One day I was coming down a hill at the neighbors and the front steering came loose. The lawnmower rolled and broke the caruretor off the side of the motor. This was my second attempt at suicide. It was junk!
I hope I havn't bored you but I wanted to share things in my life that formed the desire for my hobby!
My next verbage will start with me asking my dad about getting me a car$%^&*(())!
Continue John........... :popcrn:
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Continue John........... :popcrn:
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By this time I'm about 12 years old and I have another baby sister named Nancy. Shes cute and likes me a lot. Life is not as much fun now with school and chores and all that. Mom and dad are also having their last child and I now have a little brother Steve. But he's way to young for me. I've been driving by now mostly helping my dad move our extra car. His extra car was in addition to his car and moms car. It's purpose was to haul trash to the dump and make it look like the motel was busy. Dad said that nobody wants to go to an empty place and he was right again. My dad is a pretty smart guy. The first extra car was a 1954 Caddilac and when it got older it didn't run and I'd help move it around. My fondest memories of that car was that I used to keep my pet rabbit in it. Guests would come and really get excited about my rabbit coming to greet them and sit on the big dashboard. Ok, so one day everything is going good and I decide to ask my dad about how he was going to get me a car?? We'll, dad must have been ready for this one!!! He quickly explained to me that my car was going to be my resposibility! I am really glad I asked him this when I was twelve! I had some time to get ready. He told me I had to save up the money for the car, sales tax, license plate and at least six months of insurance@##$%^&&**(! WOW!! Back then you could get a learners permit at fifteen years and six months of age. I had two and a half years to get ready! I wanted my own car as soon as I could drive and that was it! Back then most adults would have to get at least a two year loan. So for the first time in my life I had money problems. I didn't have much saved but I did have a small savings account that was now my car account. I started mowing the church grounds and cemetary, baling hay for the farmers, milking cows after school, cleaning out grain elevators you name it I was doing it. I went from my catholic one room school house of 5 girls and me to a junior high with around 300 kids to Michigan City high school with 700 kids in my class. It was the late 60's and it was great!! Great music, mini skirts and no pantyhose, and cars. We had an open lunch and everyone would go to eat and then come and cruise around the school in their rides. There was everything old cars, hot rods, amphicar, marathon, an old hearse you name we had it. When I was a junior I got to take drivers training. It was great!! They went in alphabetical order and I was assigned a car with two of the prettiest girls in my class the Blank twins. Their dad owned a large construction buisness and they had money. Back then you did five weeks in a regular car and one week in a stick shift car. I already knew how to drive all this stuff pretty good so the instructor would always have me drive us out to remote areas before the twins took over. It was great! The twins actually tought me how to do burnouts in that stick shift car! The instructor wasn't real happy with them though. So now I got my learners permit and it was time to go look for my car. I want to mention here that my dad was going to get his car repainted and he decided to do some of the work himself and then drive it to Chicago at one of those in by 9 out by 5 paint job places? We took off all the chrome and anything not needed on the outside. He said it would be a better job that way. We also sanded and primered some rust. This was my first shot at what Timmy Lang's dad did. He left for Chicago about 5 one morning and got back home around 7pm with the freshly painted car. It looked great and it had my favorite smell! They baked the paint on and it was shinny and smooth. I also did my own paint job on another of our extra cars a 1958 Cadillac. That car had a ton of chrome to take off and was a mile long like my Daytona. It came out pretty good for a first attempt.
So now it's time to go look for my first car!! I had done a lot of reasearch. I started subscribing to HOT ROD magazine when I was twelve and I still have them! They are in a binder that you could get back then. I have attached a picture of my binder and that sacred first issue from November 1967. I have to help my dad put some new transmission lines on his plow truck and will be back with the hunt for my first car soon!
What a great post with so much passion. Congrats on a great car.
Looking forward to the rest of the story.
So it's time to go find my first car! I had been busy studying HOT ROD magazine and had some ideas. I want to get a big block V8 engine in a small body. We didn't have a garage at the motel so I wouldn't be able to tear into it much. Speaking of no garage one winter my dads two ton plow truck now a GMC broke a transmission. It was time for one of those "JOHNNY I NEED YOUR HELP" moments. My dad wanted me to help change the transmissionin a two ton truck in the middle of winter! We changed it and the clutch while we were at it. I didn't like doing it but I learned a lot on that project! Thanks dad! I had been studying the newspaper and the car dealers advertised their new cars back then. My dad wanted me to start out with a used car for my first one but didn't care about much else. My travel to dealers was at his mercy and time was short due to the buisness. We went to the local dealers and even some nearby towns to look. I came up with a short list of cars that I was interested in 1) a 1967 Dodge Dart GTS 383 4 speed car and 2) a 1968 Chevy Camaro 396 4 speed car. I decided to go with the Dodge because there were a lot of Camaros around already and I didn't want what everybody else had. So I bought the Dodge and brought it home. I didn't have much trouble with dad and the car early on. We agreed that I would not drive it to school till my senior year 1970/1971. I would stare at it every day when I left on the bus and check to make sure it was in the same spot when I returned. My dad liked that car too! The two things I remember most about my senior year was all the cars and luch time. We would all go to lunch and cruise around the school as we got back. In the spring of 71 with all the muscle cars popping up things were really getting exciting. We started having organized burnout contests in the remote school lot when we got back from lunch! The cops didn't bug us and the teachers were pretty good about it. The guys that didn't have cars would water or bleach down the starting area and kids would line up down the sides to watch. My GTS Dart with the 4 speed was awsome at this! During this time U.S. 30 DRAGSTRIP near Gary, Indiana was very popular and the guys that raced there would come back into town with their shoe polish numbers on the car. They were treated with great respect on the cruise routes! I had to try it! So I lined up a couple of buddies to go along. I made my first attempt at DRAG RACING and did pretty good! I won a couple of times and my buddies took some Polaroid pictures. I have attached them to this post. You will notice the first one had a timeslip of 15.71 at 94mph in practice and later a 14.74 at 94mph in eliminations. I was getting better and leaning on my 383 big block a little more. We came back to town with the numbers on the car and the timeslips to back it up! It was impressive to have a street car in the 14's back then and I was really proud of it. In my next installment I will share with you what my dad thought about it when I showed him the pictures!!!
this is good stuff , nother great installment :2thumbs: :yesnod: ........ :popcrn:
This is AWESOME! Thanks so much for sharing. Look forward to more. :popcrn:
Very cool first car !!!! :2thumbs:
Hey guys! I need some help here! I could have had two more chapters posted but I'm having a problem at the end of my posts! When I get all done and attach some pictures and hit post it will tell me to hit back if I've used to much picture space. When I resize or delete some pictures it says I already sent the post but it doesn't show up??
So I will attach a picture of the 1958 Caddilac that was my first body and paint job! Don't worry wing car guys there is plenty of that coming up! Were at 1971 and I joined DSAC in 1977!
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Hey guys! I need some help here! I could have had two more chapters posted but I'm having a problem at the end of my posts! When I get all done and attach some pictures and hit post it will tell me to hit back if I've used to much picture space. When I resize or delete some pictures it says I already sent the post but it doesn't show up??
So I will attach a picture of the 1958 Caddilac that was my first body and paint job! Don't worry wing car guys there is plenty of that coming up! Were at 1971 and I joined DSAC in 1977!
John...
If you have a problem loading a file, then as you know, the post/reply will not work. Before you click 'back' or whatever, copy the text you typed and then go back. That way, you have your text on the computer's buffer and you can paste again once you go backwards. Then, you can either change the name of the file or resize it below the 200 KB limit........
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John...
If you have a problem loading a file, then as you know, the post/reply will not work. Before you click 'back' or whatever, copy the text you typed and then go back. That way, you have your text on the computer's buffer and you can paste again once you go backwards. Then, you can either change the name of the file or resize it below the 200 KB limit........
Troy
I 2nd that. Almost exactly what I would have written.
Quote from: hemi68charger on December 10, 2009, 12:56:38 PM
John...
If you have a problem loading a file, then as you know, the post/reply will not work. Before you click 'back' or whatever, copy the text you typed and then go back. That way, you have your text on the computer's buffer and you can paste again once you go backwards. Then, you can either change the name of the file or resize it below the 200 KB limit........
Troy
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Lost more than a few long narratives in the past, did the :brickwall: thing too. Another way to handle this is to post the text and then go back and modify your reply to add pictures. That way you don't lose your work, although it may look odd for someone who happens to view the thread while you're working on it.
Thanks for all the tips, I'll try them and see what happens.
I have to give you some details I left out on my first car the 1967 Dodge Dart GTS 383 4 speed before I give you my dads reaction to my drag racing. The Dart was white in color and had one of those spray on simulated black tops with red interior. I bought it in Chesterton, Indiana at Christoph Chrysler Plymouth. They claim a guy that was starting a family traded it in and originally came from Illinios. Looking back maybe a Mr. Norms car??
When I arrived home that Sunday I was all excited about the DRAG RACING and showed my dad the Polaroids that were attached to a previous post. I didn't get the reaction that I was looking for. He went balastic and demanded the keys right now! There was a serious lecture and then he took his old Ford tractor based backhoe and surrounded the car with the arm and bucket. He took the car away for a month and told me if I ever raced it again he would smash it with the backhoe and bury it out back. So it was back to the school bus for a month. After school I would have to bum a ride or run to the job that I now had. The month went by slow and I got my car back and I didn't race it again till I was out of the house. The next thing I remember is on a cruise night I parked with the Mopar guys and noticed a 1969 Dodge Dart Swinger 340. That car looked identical to mine except the front and the back. I got the owners permission and compared measurements on the two cars and they were the same. The next day I went to the local Chrysler dealer and ordered a 1969 Dart grille and headlight bezels along with a pair of taillights and a 1969 GTS trunk finish panel. For just a few bucks my car now looked like a 1969 Dodge Dart GTS. I have attached a picture of the front and back after the change.
I graduated high school in 1971 and started taking college classes right away that summer at Purdue North Central that was only a couple of miles away. I started college full time that fall and was working a lot also. I started dating my first wife sometime in there and had found a new interest JUNKYARDS!! Just ask marty42 about me and her late husband Ricks outings. Yes Rick passed sometime ago and I miss him! My girlfriends brother had a buisness! Yep, you guessed it a GAS STATION. A SHELL gas station like my grandpas except newer with a lift and he had a TOW TRUCK! In the spring of 1972 the dating was going too good and I started buying more of the approximately 200 Mopars that I have owned. I bought a 1969 GTX 440 4 speed B5 blue from a guy that wrecked it with no insurance. It was hit hard in the rear but the whole drivetrain was good and it ran! I paid $400.00 for it and my soon to be brother in law towed it to his place. It had a good front end so I strarted going to junk yards looking for a GTX hit in the front. It didn't take me long because the guys were wrecking them faster than I could buy them. I made friends with the owner of L&W auto salvage in Valparaiso, Indiana and bought a 1969 ROAD RUNNER hit in the front for a few hundred dollars. I had my soon to be brother in law tow this one to my girl friends house. My dad would have never let me keep that stuff around the MOTEL! So I took the front end off the GTX and put it on the ROAD RUNNER. I then took the engine, 4 speed, Dana and doors off the GTX and scrapped the rest. I took the car over to my grandparents and used my dads old two car garage to get it ready for paint. It was about this time I lost my grandfather and inherited his mechanics tools and I stiil have them. I used one of his 1 1/16th 1/2" drive sockets to remove the k-member from the 1969 Coronet that I'm parting just Tuesday. I had a body shop spray the paint for me and I now had two cars on the road. This one had an automatic and bench seat!
I have some pictures but there too bad to get on here for you guys. The next thing that happens is the owner of L&W auto slavage calls me and tells me he just got in a 1970 lime green GTX!! It was stolen and recovered with most of it's parts. It took me two weeks to talk my dad into letting me buy my 4th car at age 18. By the time we got to L&W a local kid put a couple of hundred down and was going to pay monthly till he owned the car. I thought it was gone. When this kid paid it off he went to L&W to buy parts and the owner told him that John Borzych had been buying all the Mopar performance type parts. This guy got ahold of me and we traded the 1970 GTX and some cash for my 1967 Dart GTS. He wrecked it within two weeks. He pulled out in front of a steel hauler and my old baby had black semi tire marks all over it. It was toast and he was lucky he didn't get killed!!! I have one of my early dragstrip photos of the 1970 GTX attached. Yes, when I got out of the house I went back DRAG RACING! You will see that with the photo is a time slip of 14.60 and I now hit 100mph!!
That's a lot of tire under that green car!
Great stories John, thanks for the distraction from the cold.
wow love the GTX , thats awesome :2thumbs:
Sorry about the long gap in my story! Three tweleve hour shifts and a Christmas party! You will see more photos of the 1970 GTX as this goes on. I still have that car in it's original paint! I made a serious mistake early on. The owner of the salvage yard offered me the original 440 and 727 trans and I told him no!? I had the 440 and 4 speed out of the wrecked 1969 GTX to put in there and I wanted all my cars to be 4 speeds back then. It turns out my 1970 GTX is one of the first built on August the 6th 1969 and it is mostly original! I wished I had that numbers matching drivetrain! In September of 1972 I purchased my only E body a plum crazy 1970 Challenger R/T 383 4 speed and sold my 1969 RR. On January 1st 1973 I married my first wife and her mother gave us a 1966 Plymouth Barracuda 273 4 speed formula S! Now I was up to three Mopars again! I worked out a deal with my grandmother to move back into my boyhood home with my new bride. It was good for all. I really didn't pay rent but kept up the place and took grandma where she needed to go. I have attached a picture of the Mopars in front of that house. Everyone thought we had to get married because we were so young but we proved them wrong. I was still going to Purdue North Central working on my industrial engineering degree full time in the evening and working full time during the day. My wife was finishing high school. In 1973 I traded in the 1970 Challenger for my first new car! It was a 1973 Road Runner silver metallic with red stripes! It looked great and I wish I still had that one! In the spring of 1974 we found out we were going to have our first child. Our daughter Michelle was born on September 28th 1974. I have a picture of her helping me wash the 1973 RR. I'm sure you all have heard about the baby crib recalls. I have attached a picture of my baby sitting skills. I have Michelle surrounded by two L70X14 tires playing with a set of gaskets. No getting hurt with that setup! Yes, Michelle is a Mopar gal! She owns a 1968 Charger and a 2007 Daytona Charger. I tell her it's a Daytona wanabe! Enjoy the pictures!
Here are a couple of pictures of Michelle racing her 2007 Daytona at Route 66 Raceway in Joliet, Illinois. It runs right a 14:00 in stock trim!
I need someone to send me a pm on how to have some pictures at the bottom of my posts. I would like to add my cars as this goes along.
Thanks!
It didn't take me long and I stuffed a 1969 340 into the 1966 Barracuda. It made it into a nice street cruiser. So it's 1974 and I have received my 2 year degree in industrial engineering and still going to school and working full time! I have a chance to buy a 1969 Dodge Dart Swinger from my brother in laws brother. It is similar to the one I checked out when I did the upgrades on the 1967 Dart. This car had some modifications including a built 340! I took the stock motor out of the 1966 Barracuda and sold it with it's original 273. Now I had a summer built 340 and a winter stock 340 for my 1969 Dart! I took the 1969 Dart to U.S. 30 DRAGSTRIP and it ran 15.25 at 89mph and 14.52 at 93mph. The E.T. of my street car was quicker than my race car? I won the I/O trophy class 3 weeks in a row with that car! That really cemented the racing interest in me. I did some tuning and made a gear change on that car and got it down to 13.69 at 102mph! Now it was a lot quicker than my 1970 GTX "RACECAR"! I had blown up a couple of stock 440's in the GTX about now and decided to have a race 440 built for the GTX. When I mean blown up it's when you spin a rod bearing and it gets the one next to it and they weld themselves to the crank and break the rods. Then they chop the pan in half and knock out the side of the block. Then the parts get thrown around and bend the valaves and break the cam. I remember going down the track and hear an explosion followed by a sound similar to traveling on a freshly tarred and stoned road. The next thing I know and the porcelin off one of the spark plugs comes out the back of the hood scoop@#$%^&*(!
MOPAR JOHN
Now that the computor rage has taken hold there are all kinds of computor names out there like mine MOPAR JOHN. Well, I've had this nick name longer than some of you have been alive!! When I started buying perfomance parts for my cars I was the only Mopar guy around. So the first thing I found out there was nothing in stock unless it was common like mufflers or tires. The owner of the local speed shop Jack Kniola started calling me "MOPAR JOHN".
This started with my Dart way back in 1971! My early receipts from Kniolas have cash written where your name should be because thats the way I paid for my parts. I dug through my old receipts that I still have ( I know you find this hard to believe by now!) and the oldest one with "MOPAR JOHN" is dated April 17th 1972!! I have attached a picture of it for you! Just curious about how long others have had theirs?
1975 Brings my Graduation from Purdue with a Bachelors degree in Industrial Supervision. By now I'm a store manager in the grocery buisness and with my family I can't afford to start over and use my degree! I actually liked college better than high school and got better grades. I even made the Deans list a couple of times. I continued graduate studies earning about half the creadits needed for a Gradaute degree until they stopped offering classes locally. I am still dissapointed I didn't get to finish that.
I check around and find out that there is a guy near by with a real good machine shop. I contact him and we form a plan to build a state of the art race 440 for my 1970 GTX! We start with a stock block that I havn't blown up and bore it 30 over and machine and true the head mounting surfaces. I go to Detroit and buy a new 426 Hemi crank from Gratiot speed shops with an 8 bolt flange. We buy a set of 6 pack rods and a set of TRW 12 1/2 to 1 pistons. The machinist Barney Barnhart balances and assembles the bottom end. I purhase a solid lifter came and some Crane ductile adjustable rockers. I searched around and found a nice pair of the hard to find 915 small chamber heads. Back then all the spark plugs were straight in. There was a perfomance shop in New York called Baldwin performance. They would take your heads and convert them over to angle plug configuration. I had to strip my heads down bare to make the UPS shipping max at that time and sent them off. There were gone about a month and came back looking great! These heads would gain as much as 50HP on dynos of built 440's! Barney put some good springs and retainers on them and bolted them to the new short block. It was starting to look like a motor now. Barney finshed all the odds and ends like timing cover, oil pump and I picked it up. I also bought a Weiand tunnel ram and two 600 matched Holley carburetors. I didn't get the motor in the car and running until the summer of 1976. I took it to U.S.30 DRAGSTRIP and did some breakin runs and tuning. It ran bad at first but as I adjusted it got better and better. Finally the big day comes where I think everything is just right and I'm going to make some full blown passes! I started out with about a 5000 rpm pass and ran a 13:22 at 89mph. This was my quickest ET to date and I was already very happy! I then followed that pass up with a 6000 rpm pass and it ran a 12:86 at 117mph! WOW!! I am in the twelves!! Barney told me that the red line would be 6500 rpm. So on the next pass I went to 6500 rpm and ran a 12:57 at 116mph! Now I think you all would feel that I'd be real happy at this point. But I wasn't!! Something real bad happened on this pass. At the end of the track I didn't get slowed down enough! I had spent all this time and money making the car faster and never worried about slowing it down! At U.S.30 they had a decent shut down area but if you didn't get it slowed down enough the end was like the first turn on an olympic bobsled run!! On that last run I went around the rim of that thing and almost rolled the GTX over!! For the first time I was scared in one of my drag cars!! Suddenly it wasn't fun anymore and I parked it!
I have attached the 12:57 time slip along with a picture of the COUNTDOWN magazine that they would mail out to all the racers with information of upcoming events. I still have about 5 years worth of them and are real neat to look at and bring back old memories.
WHATS A SUPERBIRD??
Now it's 1977 and racing isn't fun anymore so what should I do? I had many other street cars that I bought and sold fixed up etc. but just wasn't happy. My second child was born a son and we named him Michael. I kept thinking in my head about a special car, a classic car or a limited production car. A light finally went off in my head and it was a bright one!! I remebered in one of my old HOT ROD magazines about an ad that had Richard Petty and a bunch of guys around a special car. I ripped through them old magazines till I found it. It was an ad for the 1970 PLYMOUTH SUPERBIRD. It was a limited production car for NASCAR. That was the car that I had to have! It even had the same basic body as my 1970 Plymouth GTX! So I started my hunt for a PLYMOUTH SUPERBIRD! I remebered just one locally. So I went to talk to the owner Bill Welch. He was in his 60's and owned a couple of buisnesses. Yep, you guessed it a Shell gas station and a body shop. Our conversation was friendly because he knew of our family with the other Shell gas station not far away. His Superbird was tor red and was the only one sold new in Michigan City. Bill told me that they only made 50 of them and a lot of them went over seas?
I asked him if he would sell me his car and he said yes! I asked how much and he told me $7,000.00 @#$%^!
I thought that was high and he told me if I didn't buy it now it would be $8,000.00 in 1978! I told him that I was going to look around some more. I found an ad in the Chicago Tribune not long after that for a Superbird for $800.00! The nose was bent up and it had some primer from do it yourself body work. It was just what I was looking for. About that time my wife got sick and needed to have some surgery. I learned about the cost of healthcare way back then. I couldn't afford to buy the car. I have attached a picture of the ad that changed the rest of my life. The next chapter will be more Superbird shopping!
more good reading !! :yesnod: thanks for sharing your memorys !! great back in the day stuff & pictures :yesnod:
looking forward to the next instalment :popcrn: :2thumbs:
great stuff john :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :popcrn: :popcrn: :popcrn: :popcrn: :popcrn: :popcrn:
SUPERBIRD SHOPPING
It's the summer of 1977 and the medical issues are behind us. I started saving for my Superbird! As this was going on I started looking for one. I was watching the local papers, buying the weekend Chicago Tribune that had a good classic and antique car section, buying the car trader magazines, surfing the net and watching EBAY! HA! HA! No EBAY or net to surf back then! One day I came across an ad for a Superbird in the Chicago Tribune that read as follows: 1970 PLYMOUTH SUPERBIRD 440 SIX PACK AUTO CONSOLE BUCKET SEATS $2800.00 McHenry, Illinois.
I called right away and got a few more details. I asked the seller if he had anyone else interested because it was a 3 hour drive to go check it out. He informed me that no one else was currently hot after the car. We made arrangements and me and my wife went to check it out. When we got there the Superbird was out front. It was a Vitamin C orange car with black vinyl top and black interior. The guy was real nice and let us take it for a drive unsupervised! I drove it under differant conditions and it ran good and the trans shifted good. I pulled over in a paking lot and opened the hood. The original six pack was there along with the factory air cleaner and looked stock. I also opened the trunk and found both jacks and the original spare and some shag carpeting. Shag carpeting was very popular back then. We decided to offer the seller $2400.00 for the Superbird and see what happened? When we got back he asked us how we liked it and I tried not to act excited. I pointed out a couple of small things that I found wrong and asked him how much he would take for it cash right now? He thought about it for a minute and said $2000.00 would buy it! I couldn't get the money out fast enough! I now owned a 1970 440 SIX PACK PLYMOUTH SUPERBIRD!!!
This thrill didn't last long though. When we got it home we drove it some and I started cleaning it up. This thing drew a crowd wherever we went! One day I went to get rid of the shag carpeting and found some cardboard under it. I removed the cardboard and found a piece of Masonite cut out in the shape of the trunk? I removed the Masonite and found the gas tank and frame rails !@#$%^&*! This car was from the Florida coast area and salt water rusted some holes in the trunk rail and got down and rusted out the trunk floor!@#$%^! I have a picture from that day! I also have a picture of the Superbird with my 1970 GTX racecar and a 1970 Road Runner that I had at the time. I bought the Road Runner and put a new quarter panel on it and did some minor body work. My brother in law painted it. The car was a lot of fun especially with the AIR GRABBER hood! The last picture is of the bird jacked up for some rearend work out behind the house. It started snowing and didn't stop till the Superbird was almost buried. It sat there till sping!!
I will try to add the pictures now?
The 3 1970"s
The last one is the blizzard!
WOW! For not being that old at the time, that was one rough trunk pan!
Thanks for the stories John, keep up the good work!
Quote from: Dave Kanofsky on December 22, 2009, 12:30:51 PM
WOW! For not being that old at the time, that was one rough trunk pan!
Thanks for the stories John, keep up the good work!
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nother good read & awesome back in the day pictures :drool5:
thanks for sharing John :2thumbs: :cheers:
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I love that picture with the three 70's together
Quote from: Dave Kanofsky on December 22, 2009, 12:30:51 PM
WOW! For not being that old at the time, that was one rough trunk pan!
Thanks for the stories John, keep up the good work!
Having grown up in South Florida, the rain and humidity, along with that ill-conceived rubber lined trunk mat, killed those floor pans..........
Troy
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This is quickly becoming my favorite thread. Thanks for taking the time to post!
Thanks guys for all the great replies! It makes me think that I'm doing the right thing in sharing what got me to the point of restoring the B5 Daytona. Troy not many people knew how brutal and how fast the Florida coast was on the cars.
Mopar John
SUPERBIRDS OF AMERICA?
About the time that I bought the first Superbird I found out about a Superbird club. The club was based out of West Allis Wisconsin and had very low mebership cost so I joined. I had no idea of what they were about but if it had to do with Superbirds I'm in! I sent off the application and my funds. A short time later I got my welcome letter from a guy named Monroe Schellinger. I also got a buisness card sized membership card signed by a guy named Doug Schellinger. My membership number is # 0181 and has been continuous from back in 1977! I also recieved the clubs newsletter! In the newsletter I found out that they were having their national meet in Ann Arbor Michigan at the Chrysler Proving Grounds that weekend!@#$%^&! I didn't have time to react and make the meet! It was painfull especially seeing some of the Superbirds coming and going through Michigan City that weekend. I now knew that I had joined the right club! This would enhance my Superbird ownership. I have attached a picture of my original membership card that I am very proud of. In fact it is also copied on my B5 Daytonas display board.
MORE SUPERBIRD SHOPPING!!
With my orange six pack car needing work and a 1978 national meet to get ready for I decided it might be better to buy another Superbird in better condition. That way I could take my time and fix the orange bird correctly? So it was back to the newspapers and trader magazines looking for yet another Superbird! There was no ryme or reason to it. Each car had a story and most were modified in some way. Prices were all over the board and stories about the cars would make you laugh. I think Richard Petty had driven them all! The most common story was that they only made 500! I was also keeping my eyes peeled for any that I would see parked or even being driven! I have attached some pictures out of the trader magazines and the Chicago Tribune Classic and antique car sections. Some of these have the dates written on them! Yes, I still have them also! Enjoy!
Here is one more ad! My next chapter will be about Superbird #2!!
Quote from: Mopar John on December 23, 2009, 12:09:30 PM
SUPERBIRDS OF AMERICA?
About the time that I bought the first Superbird I found out about a Superbird club. The club was based out of West Allis Wisconsin and had very low mebership cost so I joined. I had no idea of what they were about but if it had to do with Superbirds I'm in! I sent off the application and my funds. A short time later I got my welcome letter from a guy named Monroe Schellinger. I also got a buisness card sized membership card signed by a guy named Doug Schellinger. My membership number is # 0181 and has been continuous from back in 1977! I also recieved the clubs newsletter! In the newsletter I found out that they were having their national meet in Ann Arbor Michigan at the Chrysler Proving Grounds that weekend!@#$%^&! I didn't have time to react and make the meet! It was painfull especially seeing some of the Superbirds coming and going through Michigan City that weekend. I now knew that I had joined the right club! This would enhance my Superbird ownership. I have attached a picture of my original membership card that I am very proud of. In fact it is also copied on my B5 Daytonas display board.
Good stuff I like the retro archive material ads pictures paperwork :2thumbs: (http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e67/75414/vintagewingcarads3.jpg)
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.My longtime family friend Joe donated me his wingcar memorabilia when he retired and sold his car that he got in 73
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nascarxx29,
Were those ads from your friend Joe Shopping for a Superbird or was he just collecting the Aero car ads?
He was one of the founding members of the club 1975/#17!!
Thanks!
I collected the ads long before I had a wing car.And later I went to the library knowing Joes cars selling dealer and located actual ads with matching stock numbers and dug up the history trail on his car
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,34236.0.html
And still continue to search for ads through newspaper archives on line for actual aero car ads
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,60895.0.html
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,63476.0.html
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,59910.0.html
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,60960.0.html
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,59963.0.html
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,60970.0.html
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,59979.0.html
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,59932.0.html
That is great work! I have seen some of your posts on this. For your info most of the ads that I have posted came out of the Chicago Tribune late 1977 and early 1978. I don't think any included a picture or a vin just phone numbers to help track a car back.
Thanks for the info!
moparstuart,
Here is a little Christmas present for you. A couple more shots of the 1970 cars!
SUPERBIRD #2
It's early 1978 and I'm in full blown search mode! I am watching all the papers and trader magazines. I am also in a managers training program at work. This required me to work at differant stores in the northwest Indiana area along with the Chicago Illinois area. One day I spotted a white Superbird being driven by a young man in East Chicago Indiana. He was on his school lunch hour and was making the best of it. I followed him the best I could till he finally parked it. He had a young sweetheart with him and they were having a great time. I wasted no time and asked if he would sell his car? He told me NO!! He said that his brother bought it new and they wanted to keep it in the family. I put my name and phone number on the back of a buisness card and told him to throw it in the glovebox and if he ever changed his mind to call me. At the end of our conversation he told me that he did know where one was for sale!!! I got all the information from him to track this car down. It was a 440 4 speed yellow Superbird for $1000.00. The car was in the middle of Gary Indiana and not far away! I got someone to go with me and the car was right where he said it was!! I talked to the owner and he gave me the same story $1000.00!! I asked what was wrong with the car and he informed me that the starter was out and the rear brakes needed new brake lines. I told him that I would like to buy his car. He told me that he had to go to the credit union and get the title. I told him to call me when he got the title. I waited a few days and got the bad news. He owed $300.00 on the car and couldn't get the title till he paid it off. I wasn't going to let $300.00 stop this deal!! So I asked him if I gave him the $300.00 and supplied a contract that was notorized if he would let me take the car? He said yes!! So I gave him the $300.00 and a notorized contract that stated that I would pay the remaining $700.00 when he furnished me a clear title. I took my 1969 Dart and a tow strap and got it to HWY 12 not far away and pulled home without and problems. I didn't do much to the car except clean it up and put a new starter in. I was waiting for the title first. The new starter did the trick and it was running. If this guy didn't come up with a title I was planning on $300.00 worth of parts off the car. About two weeks later I got the call that he had the title and I drove over and paid the balance and picked up the title!! I now owned two 1970 PLYMOUTH SUPERBIRDS!! Most important I had one that needed little work to get to the 1978 national meet!! The day I finalized the deal on Superbird #2 the young man that told me about it called. He informed me that he got his young sweetheart pregnant and needed to sell his Superbird!@#$%^&! I informed him that I had just bought the yellow Superbird and didn't have any more car money available. Besides he was asking $2400.00 for his car. That was too much based on what I was buying them for. I told him to keep my number and later if the price came down and I had time to save some money to call me. We'll about 6 months later he called me and said my girlfriend is ready to have the baby, the transmission doesn't shift and I sold the wing and fender scoops to a guy in Chicago!! I asked how much for what was left and he said $450.00 would buy it!@#$%^&*! I said get your things out of it and get the title ready, I will be there with the money that afternoon!! So now I have three 1970 PLYMOUTH SUPERBIRDS!!
One six pack car and two 440 4 speed cars. I decided to use the white car as a parts car for the other two. I also came across another Superbird down towards Indianapolis in a body shop for $500.00 but didn't buy it. My granmother was getting worried about the town board and all my cars. Also about this time we had saved enough money to buy our first home! A guy at work told me to put $100.00 in the bank every week first and before I would know it I would have enough to buy a house. So in just 5 years we were buying our first home with 40% down. The new home had an attached 2 car garage on two acres with a shop in back that could hold three more cars. Just what I needed. The yellow Superbird needed brake lines, a new clutch and a fresh paint job to make it presentable for the 1978 national meet. I will post the first picture of the yellow car and one of the yellow car and the orange one with the white trunklid already on it. There is also a picture of the $500.00 body shop bird.
Enjoy and have a Merry Christmas!! Mopar John Next chapter my first national meet!!
Here are the pictures!
A rooftop top picture .I always wanted to see how they look from above.I always wanted to get a higher picture from a water tower or higher rooftop to capture there shapes
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The first picture of the yellow car is blurry but it shows me switching the wheels and tires from the lime green 1970 Road Runner to the yellow Superbird. I got these wheels and tires for a steal from BIG JACKS JUNKYARD. On one of my junkyard tours I spotted a 1970 Dodge Challenger that had just been towed in to BIG JACKS. He told me that he could have sold the wheels and tires 10 times but no one could get them off the car. The problem was the car had a set of those puzzle locks and no one had a key. He told me that if I could get them off I could have the whole set of wheels and tires for $100.00!! I went to the car and seen where some one was trying to use vice grips or pliers to get the puzzle locks off. My Polish Purdue Engineering mind went to work and I formulated a plan. I told Big Jack that I wanted the wheels and tires and would be back tommorrow to get them. He laughed at me and said OK! I took some sockets and figured what size I would need for the next day. So I return with a lug wrench, a hammer and some sockets. I tightened all the other lug nuts and then tapped on the puzzle nut with the hammer. Then I took a 12 point socket that was a little smaller than the puzzle nut and drove it onto it. I then put a breaker bar and the socket and removed the puzzle nut!! It worked great and in no time I had my $100.00 set of aluminum slots with good tires!!! I have another sad BIG JACKS story coming up!!
Im enjoying reading and your retro pictures good stuff keepem coming.I did go to a friends job and used the outside ladder to get these
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Quote from: Mopar John on December 24, 2009, 11:15:10 AM
moparstuart,
Here is a little Christmas present for you. A couple more shots of the 1970 cars!
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MERRY CHRISTMAS FROM MOPAR JOHN AND LINDA BORZYCH!!
1978 SUPERBIRDS OF AMERICA NATIONAL MEET!
I got the yellow Superbird repainted and installed new brake lines. It was ready for the trip to Wisconsin! We were using this car as our second car now and having a great time with it! The national meet was also our family vacation and we took Michelle and Mike along. The meet headquarters was the TRYOLEAN TOWN HOUSE near Milwaukee and the Schellingers. Monroe and Jean Schellinger along with their son Doug were our hosts. We arrived on Wednesday and saw the most Superbirds in one spot as I had ever seen. I would say that there were about 20! Thursday we went to tour the Miller brewing company in Milwaukee. On Friday we went to the Mitchell domes where there was a large display indoors of many differant plants. Then on Saturday we went to the Milwaukee Mile for a parade lap and USAC short track race. Sunday was a get together and travel home day. One evening we also had a club meeting and raffle. The Edwards always bought a bunch of tickets and won most of the prizes back then! I can remember Rick and Sherry Edwards, Ray and Rusty Bott, Dick and Bev Drake, Kyle and Cindy Drake, Tom and Sue from Florida, Rick and Carol Croxford along with their son Doug, Elmer Duellman from Fountain City Wisconsin, Les and Barb Bowman, Bump and Betty Fleck and more! You will here more about Rick Croxford and Elmer Duellman. I have attached pictures of Michelle standing by the Schellinger bird ready to lead us on a outing, another of Jean Schellinger holding Mike, A picture of the yellow bird in front of the domes and a picture of Monroe and others at the track.
John, the fellow in the far left of the photo is Monroe's late son-in law Ralph, and his oldest boy Mike. Ralph was the guy who gave Monroe (my dad) the lead on the green Bird we still have. Ralph worked at Hub Chrysler-Plymouth and told Monroe that a young guy had brought the green Bird in to trade it and the dealer did not want anything to do with it. So Ralph got the boys phone number and the rest is history.
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Hey John I think you and dad were standing next to each other at the domes ;)
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aero426,
Thanks for the details of who was in the picture! In addition to your family members in the picture that's me on the right holding my oldest son Mike on my shoulders.
WHAT'S A DAYTONA???
So I'm at my first SUPERBIRDS OF AMERICA national meet and in addition to all the Superbirds there are other cars there! I see a Dodge Charger pull up with a wing and a nose on it and I say out loud what the heck is that thing?? I had never seen one in my life!! I also must not paid much attention to the pictures in my Hot Rod magazine either! There were never any for sale ads for one but one of the bird ads I posted called that Superbird a "DAYTONA-SUPERBIRD" and I never caught that one either. A couple of the more knowledgable members informed me that the Daytona came before the Superbird but there was only 500 of them compared to almost 2,000 Superbirds. The more I heard about those Daytonas the more I wanted one. I was putting the word out that if anyone heard of one for sale at a decent price to get in touch with me. I also learned that there was a Charger 500 that came before the Daytona and it's production was 500. In addition to the Mopars present some Mercury Cyclone Spoilers and Ford Torino Talladegas were there! They were also limited production cars for Nascar. This Superbird meet was dominated by older Nascar fans that knew a whole lot more about the sport and the cars that ran in it than me. My brain was like a sponge trying to soak it all up! A lot of these folks also bought their cars brand new or very early on! Sadly most of those older folks are gone now Monroe & Jean Schellinger, Ray & Rusty Bott, Barb Bowman, Betty Fleck, Tom & Sue from Florida and more! The one Daytona that really caught my eye was Elmer Duellmans. He had a matching Dodge hauler and didn't take the car off except once at the club display. The car was painted 1970 lime green! I found out later that it was an original black car but he wanted a lime green one and had the color changed when it was new. Speaking of new the signs on the hauler stated 304 original miles and it looked it. Elmer owned a salvage yard and also had a Superbird with advertising on the doors for the salvage yard. I have attached a picture of Elmers Daytona on the hauler! Enjoy!
MY FRIEND RICK CROXFORD!!
At my first national meet most of the members were older Nascar fans. There was another younger couple there by the names of Rick and Carol Croxford. Rick and I quickly found out that we were both from the same area and both owned 3 SUPERBIRDS!! I lived about a mile off the first exit of I-94 in Indiana and Rick was about a mile from exit 22 in Michigan! We could make each others house in about a half hour! With 6 Superbirds between us there was always something going on! Rick liked to go to junkyards like I did and sometimes we'd be gone all day looking for spare parts and the possibility of finding yet another bird or now a Daytona! Rick had the ability to come up with an idea as late as a Thursday night and put together enough cars to rival the non Talladega national meets of today!! We did everything with those cars, parades, wine tasting meets, cookouts and just plain get togethers. Rick would talk you into just about anything. I remeber a parade and Les Bowman was the first to do a burnout in the parade which was something that we wern't supposed to do! The crowd went wild and so did the rest of us! After the parade we fixed one guys broken motor mount while the ladies made lunch! Great times! Great guy! Unfortunately I lost Rick also! "GONE TOO SOON" Ricks widow Carol ( marty42 ) and their son Doug ( pettybird ) have done a fine job hanging onto Ricks dream and maintining the cars and presence at more shows and meets than most of us! I had a picture of a young Doug Croxford at Michigan but gave it to him when he saw it. I also had a picture of Rick at the Milwaukee mile but it's not as good as the one Doug got me for this important chapter! Attached is Rick as most of us remember him with his B5 blue Superbird! If there are any type of wing meets above Rick is already having them and we are the ones missing out!
Here is a picture of a wine tasting meet that Rick put together! Regulars were the Croxfords, the Borzychs, Al Collins, the Andersons, Jim Unger, the Higgs, the Partridges, the Bowmans and more!
MY $50.00 1969 DODGE CHARGER 500 SE!!
Yes, you read correctly I purchased a 1969 Dodge Charger 500 for $50.00. But this story has a very sad ending! After going to the first national meet and finding out about all these other aero cars I was on the lookout for Daytonas and 500's now in addition to Superbirds. I remembered a funny looking B5 blue Charger that looked like someone wrecked it and put a 1968 Coronet grille and headlights in it. I thought it was just another guy like me with my 1969 RR/GTX creation. So I knew there was a Charger 500 in my area. Well, one day on my visit to BIG JACKS JUNKYARD ( same place where I got the $100.00 aluminum slots and tires ) I found the B5 Charger 500 in the yard! Boy was I excited! A Charger 500! The engine and transmission were gone along with the interior and wheels and tires. I looked it over real good and it still had the aero back window and all the trim. I went back to the office and asked BIG Jack how much would he sell me that blue 1969 Charger body for? He told me $50.00 and it was mine@#$%^&*(! WOW! I paid him and told him that I would be back on Saturday with my trailer to get it! I removed the fender tag and wanted to decode it while I waited for the weekend. When I arrived back on Saturday I went to the office and BIG JACK looked down at the floor and just shook his head?? BIG JACK always had his own semi tractors and various trailers to haul things with. He would move big equipment for people and also used it to haul things in and out of the yard. He also had a big crane with a large steel plate that they would use to crush the cars. Then BIG JACK would haul them to the shredder in Chicago. Well, while JACK was gone with a load of cars the yard guys took the drivers door off my Charger 500 and crushed it@#$%^&*(!! JACK took me back there and showed me the door if I wanted it and the crushed car!! That wasn't the only thing that was crushed! If it happened today I think I would have hauled it home anyway! JACK refunded my $50.00 and I kept the fender tag. I didn't know what to do with it. Finally I decided to give it to Galen Govier who was keeping track of all the Mopar cars. He soon got back with me and said the sad part of all this was that it was one of 7 known Charger 500 SE's at that time@#$%^&*(! I have attached a picture from Thursday at Tim and Pam Welborns where they parked a 1969 Charger 500 B5 SE car next to our Daytona! That could have been my own car! The owner of the B5 500 told me that there were about 12 known SE 500's now. Which brings me to the next point. With all the number crunching and car chasing going on why doesn't anyone deduct the known salvaged cars out of the totals? Like in this case we know that 1 1969 Dodge Charger 500 is gone. So if the correct production number is 392 then the survival count should be as an example 239 known out of 391 possible?? Just a thought.
1979 NATIONAL SUPERBIRD MEET!
The 1979 national Superbird meet was again held in Ann Arbor, Michigan. I couldn't wait to go since I had just missed the 1977 meet there. This meet was the big one like Talladega is now. I wish we could make a connection and go there again. We had a day at the Chrysler proving gounds and then a parade lap on the Brooklin, Michigan race track before the Nascar race! What a weekend. At the proving grounds we were able to drive the test course and also the 5 mile oval! If I remeber correctly we had 80 wing cars there! The test course had everything from curves to bumps to salt puddles. The most fun was on the steep hills! On the five mile oval we got to do several laps and I got my yellow bird up to 130mph! The scarry part was when we came around turn #4 and everyone was stopping for a group picture @#$%^&*(! I have attached one of my group pictures and one of the yellow birds together. I'll have some more photos when my camera comes back to life.
nother great chapter John & awesome pictures :coolgleamA: damn that C500 you missed out on :cryin: , thanks again for sharing your memorys & stuff , looking forward to reading & seeing more :popcrn: :2thumbs:
1980!
1980 was a year filled with a lot of major events in my life! My marriage was in trouble and ended in a short divorce! I used my time alone to work on the orange six pack bird. I had gone to my local Mopar parts department and purchased all the parts still available for the rust repairs at that time. I was able to buy both floor quarter extensions, rear cowl, wing decals, Plymouth decals and back bumper. I also found Dave Patik who was many years ahead of the rest of us on wing cars and parts. I was able to buy an NOS rear window plug from Dave! I also bought the black 340 TA style decals for my front fenders that read 440 SIX PACK from Dave. I liked them when I bought the car and wanted everyone to know it was a SIX PACK car! I could not find a trunk floor and used a hood from a 1971 Chrysler. I figured it was of the same vintage metal. I also couldn't find NOS quarters and found a nice set off a junked Road Runner. I also started dating! There was a very cute bank teller named Linda that I would see every day when I would go there for the store I was managing. She was the merchant teller and we got along well so we started going out. To make a long story short I dumped her and took my ex wife back @#$%^&*! I missed my two young children and thought it was the right thing to do. Linda was crushed and even though we would see each other from time to time she never forgave me for a long time!
Over the last few years I have purchased both NOS quarter panels and a NOS nose for the orange bird! If all goes as planned Troy Angelly restorations who did the restoration on our Daytona is going to do the Superbird. We have an appointment for the fall of 2011 and plan to have it ready for Talladega 2014! I have attached a picture of the orange bird in the middle of my 1980 do it yourself restoration!
MICHAEL
My son Mike was born in 1977 and he was a happy young boy. He liked a lot of the things I did and he followed me everywhere. Like my dad and me, Mike helped me change the clutch and throwout bearing in the yellow bird. The big differance from when I did it with my dad was it was in the summer and we had a garage. I have a picture of Mike from that day helping me change the transmission. You can tell he was right in there! I also have a picture of Mike standing in front of the yellow bird. I have told you how I liked to make the rounds of the local junkyards and Mike liked to go along for those trips also. I have attached apicture of Mike inside a 1970 Charger that we had just removed the dash with air conditioning. The picture was of the extra cutouts in the firewall. At that time I was considering adding air to one of the Superbirds? I never did that and still have the 1970 air dash in the basement.
Mike is a Mopar guy also and owns several. He has a 1969 Dart 340, a 1968 Dart big block body that he is making into a racecar and a 1974 Dart for the street.
I had to resize the last two pictures!
I got my camera working again so here are a few more pictures of the 1979 national meet. The first picture is of the crest of the 14% grade!! The second is of a wing car going down the grade. The third is of the cars gathered in the lot at the Chrysler proving grounds. The last picture is of the Nascar drivers sitting on the wall in front of us. A car had blown it's engine and another competitior ran through the oil spun and hit the wall hard and ended up outside the track!! While Nascar worked on the wall ( guardrail back then! ) the drivers parked their cars and took a break. That's Richard and Kyle Petty right in front of us. Marty Robbins made the race and was standing on the middle of the track with a microphone singing for us. The car that blew the engine couldn't be worked on during the red flag but they got everything ready. When the yellow came out they worked on that car like mad and only lost 8 laps!! The poor guy that hit their oil wasn't so lucky after taking down the guardrail. His car was toast!
wow great stuff love the pictures john . :2thumbs:
THE ORIGINAL BIRDABLE??
This picture is for moparstuart. It is from the 1979 national meet and the first time I had seen this done. The owner told me that it was the combination of an original HEMI Superbird that had been wrecked and a 1970 Sattelite convertible. Could this be the original BIRDABLE???
moparstuart funny that you should post while I was adding the BIRDABLE picture! I hope you like it!
is this the same car maybe ? :shruggy: only one ive seen with all the chrome moldings on it
check out this thread john one of my favorites on here http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,12212.0.html
Stuart,
The name on the display board Gary Lazar sounds like the same guy. I hope Doug aero426 will catch up with the post and verify it for us. My picture is dated August 1979.
That Gary Lazars car in the picture. He took a 70 Belvedere /6 ragtop and a real wrecked hemi superbird .Later after he moved from NY to FL .He was selling it but wanted $25K when I called him.Car was represented for years as factory made .But it ended up overseas now where it resides.Pictures I saved from Bruce L old post
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here john , robin cleaned up the picture some for you
Hey Mopar John, did you get my email I sent with the picture for your signature?
Stuart,
When we get to the digital pictures things will get better! This picture of a picture stuff is difficult on you forum members.
69bronzeT5,
I got your e-mail and as soon as I can get someone here to help me I'll get that added to my signature.
Thanks!
You might need a scanner for years before I got one I pictured on pictured.Now all I have to scan and sort through years of my and accumulated show pictures and photobucket them.Now if I can get my VHS and films transfered to DVD would be good for the archives
SUPERBIRD PARTS
Today when I got home I got stuck in my driveway! I just finished 5 12 hour midnights. I left it there and just got up from a quick nap and dug it out. This made me think of the Superbird nose I bought in the middle of December. I have a picture of it in the snow and then in my garage. The car was parted and no vin to be found on the top rail of the core support. In the picture you will see the Chrysler hood with the section I cut out for my new trunk floor. I also have a picture of Mike standing behind some NOS Superbird parts that I bought with the late Ray Bott. He had a second seldom seen Superbird that was either damaged in the front or had the fenders welded to the nose. I kept the NOS wing assembly since the white car was missing it when I bought it. When we bought these NOS parts the guy in the parts department told us that the major stocking dealers were all required to have a full set of sheetmetal. This included the limited production Superbird parts??
The pictures of Gary Lazar's convert. are from the Winged Warriors (Nascar street classics at the time) 1980 meet in Baltimore.
I would like to thank Cody 69bronzeT5 for helping me with my signature at the bottom of my posts. He took some pictures that I e-mailed him and organized them into a nice display across the bottom. Cody, it looks great!
The pictures left to right are of our 1969 B5 Daytona at the 2009 national meet in Talladega at the entrance to the track, Next is our 1970 EK2 Superbird at the 2008 national meet on the track at Gateway Raceway near St. Louis and last is our 1970 FJ5 GTX wheels up in 2003 at Route 66 Raceway in Joliet, Illinois.
glad you got it all set up , nice fleet john
IMPOUND AND STORAGE MOPARS!!
What else is there to do in the winter besides go visit a fellow aero car owner on your day off? I spent this morning with a new aquaintance and fellow Daytona owner. Had a great time looking at his cars and talking Mopars! On the way home I was looking at all the cars buried in the snow and it made me think of the 1969 Plymouth GTX 4 speed convertible that I bought. The GTX was parked on a snow removal route and the city of Michigan City, Indiana had it towed. The owner never went to pay the tow bill or storage? Someone told me about it and I went to the towing company and told them that when it would be available I was interested. They called a few months later and I bought it for $200.00 @#$%^&*! WOW!! I have attached a picture of it on my trailer. This car was setting outside for too long and I sold it to a guy in Roselawn, Indiana who made me happy and restored it! The next car in the pictures is a brown 1969 Road Runner that I bought from another towing yard. It had one cylinder head off and they had it by one of their chained towing yard dogs. That motor was full of dust and dirt from all the stuff that dog stirred up every time someone got near it. I bought that car for $100.00 #$%*! The next car pictured is a 1970 Dodge Charger R/T that I bought from a body shop storage lot. It had been hit in the front and had a bad motor. I bought that car for $200.00 and parted it out! I still have the transmission which is the correct date code and part number for my 1970 GTX. I also have the trunk lid which is a spare for my Daytonas. I know it would need to be modified. The last car was bought out of a trader paper for little or nothing and it was a 1970 Dodge Coronet R/T convertible 440 and not sure what trans. That car was resold and I think repaired. There is one more major story coming up later on impound cars! Enjoy!
1981 NATIONAL SUPERBIRD MEET!!
The 1981 national Superbird meet was held in Dayton, Ohio at the Air Force Museum. This meet was a small turnout like the 1978 Milwaukee meet. By now I was getting to know the regulars who you could count on every year not just at the big deals. Both were fun in there own way. I have a picture of the museum entrance with the rockets lined up. I also have a couple of pictures of Kyle and Cindi Drakes Superbird that he called spot back then. I mention Kyle because he was a regular along with his mom and dad and an important player in my aero car story. I also have a picture of the back of the orange Superbird which may have been it's first time out? Since I mentioned Kyles car spot. It is my personal feeling that I would rather have people bring their cars even if there not done or show quality! I enjoy them all!! I told Troy Angelly that if the Daytona wasn't done for Talladega that I was going to load it up and take it the way it was. The Daytona was complete and close but not finished. Like I say, I don't know if it ever will be??
those coronet converts are rare , few and far to find now .
here is a picture of spot from april this year , we were doing lap at kansas speedway and kyle got a bubble in his tire , so i had to loan him my spare tire . kyle , dick and brent drake .
more picture here http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,56476.0.html
Quote from: Mopar John on January 05, 2010, 12:53:25 PM
I would like to thank Cody 69bronzeT5 for helping me with my signature at the bottom of my posts. He took some pictures that I e-mailed him and organized them into a nice display across the bottom. Cody, it looks great!
No probs John....anytime! Glad to help. :cheers:
Stuart,
Thanks for the update on spot! I saw Kyle in St. Louis 2008 but he didn't have spot there. Nice to see he still has it and has been freshened up!
Is that Coronet convertible B5 blue with a B3 blue stripe? Any chance you have the VIN, or know what happened to it?
Looks just like the one Scott Spirakes has now.
I have a huge soft spot for '70 Coronets.
Quote from: Dave Kanofsky on January 06, 2010, 05:39:57 PM
Is that Coronet convertible B5 blue with a B3 blue stripe? Any chance you have the VIN, or know what happened to it?
Looks just like the one Scott Spirakes has now.
I have a huge soft spot for '70 Coronets.
:yesnod: :yesnod: :yesnod: :yesnod: ME TOO people either love or hate them , I love that snout . LOL
Sorry Dave! I checked through my old paperwork and found the light brown Road Runner and the GTX convertible but no luck on the 1970 R/T convertible. But I do beleive it went to Illinois when it was sold. I got out the picture of the 1970 Charger R/T from the post because if you look close you will see the passengers quarter of the 1970 Coronet R/T convertible. In that picture I don't see any stripe of any color.
Quote from: moparstuart on January 06, 2010, 05:46:13 PM
Quote from: Dave Kanofsky on January 06, 2010, 05:39:57 PM
Is that Coronet convertible B5 blue with a B3 blue stripe? Any chance you have the VIN, or know what happened to it?
Looks just like the one Scott Spirakes has now.
I have a huge soft spot for '70 Coronets.
:yesnod: :yesnod: :yesnod: :yesnod: ME TOO people either love or hate them , I love that snout . LOL
:yesnod: :yesnod: :yesnod:
Quote from: moparstuart on January 06, 2010, 05:46:13 PM
Quote from: Dave Kanofsky on January 06, 2010, 05:39:57 PM
Is that Coronet convertible B5 blue with a B3 blue stripe? Any chance you have the VIN, or know what happened to it?
Looks just like the one Scott Spirakes has now.
I have a huge soft spot for '70 Coronets.
:yesnod: :yesnod: :yesnod: :yesnod: ME TOO people either love or hate them , I love that snout . LOL
I love 'em. you can cut them up and fix superbirds with them ;)
Quote from: pettybird on January 06, 2010, 10:11:21 PM
Quote from: moparstuart on January 06, 2010, 05:46:13 PM
Quote from: Dave Kanofsky on January 06, 2010, 05:39:57 PM
Is that Coronet convertible B5 blue with a B3 blue stripe? Any chance you have the VIN, or know what happened to it?
Looks just like the one Scott Spirakes has now.
I have a huge soft spot for '70 Coronets.
:yesnod: :yesnod: :yesnod: :yesnod: ME TOO people either love or hate them , I love that snout . LOL
I love 'em. you can cut them up and fix superbirds with them ;)
well there is that too
Quote from: moparstuart on January 06, 2010, 10:27:08 PM
Quote from: pettybird on January 06, 2010, 10:11:21 PM
Quote from: moparstuart on January 06, 2010, 05:46:13 PM
Quote from: Dave Kanofsky on January 06, 2010, 05:39:57 PM
Is that Coronet convertible B5 blue with a B3 blue stripe? Any chance you have the VIN, or know what happened to it?
Looks just like the one Scott Spirakes has now.
I have a huge soft spot for '70 Coronets.
:yesnod: :yesnod: :yesnod: :yesnod: ME TOO people either love or hate them , I love that snout . LOL
I love 'em. you can cut them up and fix superbirds with them ;)
well there is that too
I'm working with a VERY cool one right now, though--six pack, four speed Super Bee, ramcharger hood, EK2 over white, rallyes, hood pins and more, I'd take it home.
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John, very cool thread..... Nice to see some pictures with the stories you told me when I picked up the door! If you ever want to get rid of a wing car for a big IOU, I'm ready. :rofl: :rofl:
:cheers: :cheers:
Im a fan of 70 Coronets always wanted a 1 of 237 Coronet RT conv.Ive owned 70 Bee and a 70 RT 1 of 2 triple green tons of options .And currently still have a burnt orange on burnt orange original 383 4bl car AC PB buckets console car
GREAT biography MOPAR JOHN! I'm hooked, Can't wait for your updates!
Cheers,
Steve
Steve,
The next update is right after this! I am glad everyone is enjoying the story and we havn't made it to the restoration pictures of my B5 Daytona yet! Next up is 1982 a very busy year for me and will be divided into two major topics.
Quote from: Mopar John on January 07, 2010, 11:14:20 AM
Steve,
The next update is right after this! I am glad everyone is enjoying the story and we havn't made it to the restoration pictures of my B5 Daytona yet! Next up is 1982 a very busy year for me and will be divided into two major topics.
Great! Were you in INDY much, believe I met you at a wing meet off 465 and Emerson back in 82 83???
Steve
1982 PART 1 - I FINALLY BUY A DAYTONA - DAYTONAS!
Early April of 1982 I get an unexpected phone call from Kyle Drake. If you recall Kyle is the owner of the Superbird named SPOT and had been to several meets with me by then. Kyle knew that I was looking for a Daytona. There was a salvage yard near him that had two Daytonas in it. They were part of a large collection of cars that were impounded by the state of Missouri. If I remeber correctly they had been there since 1973 and this was 1982! The owner of some kind of car lot got into legal trouble involving the titles of some of his cars and they were all impounded! He must of done something bad because he ended up in jail resulting in the forfiture of the cars from the long term storage bills. There were the two Daytonas a Charger 500 Hemi car that Kyle bought and a 1969 Charger sunroof car. Other cars I remeber were a Studebaker Hawk, several early two seater T-Birds, a Lincoln and a big Chrysler. Kyle said the dam broke and the yard was selling the cars. He was after the Hemi 500 and gave me the name of the owner and his phone number. Kyle said to call right away because as soon as the first car left all the people watching them would be over there. So I called the owner and told him that I wanted to buy the red Daytona. he informed me that I could buy it but I also had to buy the blue one. He informed me that there were so many parts missing that it would take both to make a nice car. I agreed but didn't really want the blue Daytona I thought it was ugly back then! So now I had to get the money and get to Missouri quick! For the last couple of years a lot of people knew that I had two Superbirds on the road and quite often I would be asked if I wanted to sell one. My answer was always no but I was smart enough to keep the contact names and phone numbers. Not too long before the Daytona deal a guy called me from north Dakota and inquired about the Yellow 440 4 speed Superbird. I called him back and told him that something came up and that I would sell him the Superbird. I described the car over the phone and he said that my story checked out. He knew someone who knew me and had them tell him about the condition of my car. We agreed on a price and a place to deliver the car. I got a good Mopar friend of mine to ride along and we trailered the yellow Superbird to St. Paul, Minnesota which was about half way for both of us. He was all smiles when he saw the car and wanted to drive it before he paid for it. I agreed and when he returned he was even more happy! He paid me in cash as agreed and was so happy he invited my friend and I for a steak dinner and drinks at the motel we were staying at for the night! During dinner he told me that if I ever found a Daytona for sale that he would like one of those also! I didn't have the heart to tell him that I was taking his money to go buy one! So we stayed the night and in the morning left for Missouri. When we got to the yard the cars were still there and things went pretty good. The cars were in bad shape from all the years in outside storage. There was also some vandalism and parts missing as the owner had stated on the phone. The red Daytona was missing it's antenna, wipers, alternator, carburetor, air cleaner, distributor, wing and interior. The missing interior bothered me most because the broadcast sheet was gone! I have hoped for years it would surface or be found in a creative seat swap but no luck so far! The cars had been moved around in the yard several times over the years and both suffered damage from the large payloader forklift. The red Daytona was bent up on the bottom of the core support and radiator along with some damage to the drivers quarter panel! The blue Daytona was missing it's antenna, wipers, alternator, radiator, fan, carburetor, wing and wheels and tires. It had damage to the drivers side of the nose and the oil pan and transmission pan. The blue car also looked like it got some water in it maybe from a yard flood. It was on the ground and this yard was in a low area. The owner infromed us that the yard was broke into and vandals had used a tire iron on the trunklids and stole the wing off the blue car. They did a lot of damage to the red car but never got it open. The owner then had his guys remove the wing off the red car and store it inside for safe keeping. Even though it was part of the deal they never found that wing either so little good it did storing it! I paid a large amount down and loaded up the red car which is the one I wanted and informed him I would be back asap for the blue car. About two weeks later he called and said that so many people were trying to buy the blue car that I had to get it out of there asap. My friend that went with me decided to buy the blue car from me and we went back for it a short time later. Still no wing for the red car. I told my friend that if he ever decided to get rid of the blue car that I would buy it back at a time were I could afford both cars. He agreed and sadly he was laid off a short time later and could not afford the car with his large family of four children. So I had both Daytonas again! I have attached a couple of pictures taken by Wayne Perkins of the cars back in 1978 and one recently given to me by aero426 that was taken by Dick Drake Kyles father of the cars in the salvage yard.
Steve,
I was in Indy for the wing meets that were tied in with the HOOSIER AUTO SHOW AND SWAP MEET! It will be next in 1982 part 2!
1982 PART 2 ORANGE SUPERBIRD WINS TROPHY AT INDY!!
By now all of you have seen how bad the Orange six pack Superbird was when I bought it. You also saw a picture of it being repaired. I finished repairs and repainted it myself. I did everything that I could to the car. Our 1982 Superbird national meet was held in INDY in the infield of the Indianapolis 500 track. It included a judged car show. swap meet and track laps on the 500 track. I drove the Superbird on the track and entered it into the judged show to see how it would do? There were 28 Superbirds there and a lot of them were entered in the wing car judging. I stood and watched nervously as the judge went over my car. At the end of the meet they called all the participants to the trophy awards ceremony and always started with third place. When they got to the wing class they called my name for third place!! I was so happy I almost cried! I had taken a rust bucket and repaired it myself and won third place at a national meet. It is one of my proudest accomplishments to this very day! I have attached a picture of the trophy, another of me holding it by the Superbird and last a picture of me with the trophy and the kids. You will notice that my family has now grown to three children @#$%^&*! Matthew our second son was born in Septmeber of 1981. So he was about a year old in the picture.
Quote from: Mopar John on January 07, 2010, 11:52:59 AM
1982 PART 1 - I FINALLY BUY A DAYTONA - DAYTONAS!
Early April of 1982 I get an unexpected phone call from Kyle Drake. If you recall Kyle is the owner of the Superbird named SPOT and had been to several meets with me by then. Kyle knew that I was looking for a Daytona. There was a salvage yard near him that had two Daytonas in it. They were part of a large collection of cars that were impounded by the state of Missouri. If I remeber correctly they had been there since 1973 and this was 1982! The owner of some kind of car lot got into legal trouble involving the titles of some of his cars and they were all impounded! He must of done something bad because he ended up in jail resulting in the forfiture of the cars from the long term storage bills. There were the two Daytonas a Charger 500 Hemi car that Kyle bought and a 1969 Charger sunroof car. Other cars I remeber were a Studebaker Hawk, several early two seater T-Birds, a Lincoln and a big Chrysler. Kyle said the dam broke and the yard was selling the cars. He was after the Hemi 500 and gave me the name of the owner and his phone number. Kyle said to call right away because as soon as the first car left all the people watching them would be over there. So I called the owner and told him that I wanted to buy the red Daytona. he informed me that I could buy it but I also had to buy the blue one. He informed me that there were so many parts missing that it would take both to make a nice car. I agreed but didn't really want the blue Daytona I thought it was ugly back then! So now I had to get the money and get to Missouri quick! For the last couple of years a lot of people knew that I had two Superbirds on the road and quite often I would be asked if I wanted to sell one. My answer was always no but I was smart enough to keep the contact names and phone numbers. Not too long before the Daytona deal a guy called me from north Dakota and inquired about the Yellow 440 4 speed Superbird. I called him back and told him that something came up and that I would sell him the Superbird. I described the car over the phone and he said that my story checked out. He knew someone who knew me and had them tell him about the condition of my car. We agreed on a price and a place to deliver the car. I got a good Mopar friend of mine to ride along and we trailered the yellow Superbird to St. Paul, Minnesota which was about half way for both of us. He was all smiles when he saw the car and wanted to drive it before he paid for it. I agreed and when he returned he was even more happy! He paid me in cash as agreed and was so happy he invited my friend and I for a steak dinner and drinks at the motel we were staying at for the night! During dinner he told me that if I ever found a Daytona for sale that he would like one of those also! I didn't have the heart to tell him that I was taking his money to go buy one! So we stayed the night and in the morning left for Missouri. When we got to the yard the cars were still there and things went pretty good. The cars were in bad shape from all the years in outside storage. There was also some vandalism and parts missing as the owner had stated on the phone. The red Daytona was missing it's antenna, wipers, alternator, carburetor, air cleaner, distributor, wing and interior. The missing interior bothered me most because the broadcast sheet was gone! I have hoped for years it would surface or be found in a creative seat swap but no luck so far! The cars had been moved around in the yard several times over the years and both suffered damage from the large payloader forklift. The red Daytona was bent up on the bottom of the core support and radiator along with some damage to the drivers quarter panel! The blue Daytona was missing it's antenna, wipers, alternator, radiator, fan, carburetor, wing and wheels and tires. It had damage to the drivers side of the nose and the oil pan and transmission pan. The blue car also looked like it got some water in it maybe from a yard flood. It was on the ground and this yard was in a low area. The owner infromed us that the yard was broke into and vandals had used a tire iron on the trunklids and stole the wing off the blue car. They did a lot of damage to the red car but never got it open. The owner then had his guys remove the wing off the red car and store it inside for safe keeping. Even though it was part of the deal they never found that wing either so little good it did storing it! I paid a large amount down and loaded up the red car which is the one I wanted and informed him I would be back asap for the blue car. About two weeks later he called and said that so many people were trying to buy the blue car that I had to get it out of there asap. My friend that went with me decided to buy the blue car from me and we went back for it a short time later. Still no wing for the red car. I told my friend that if he ever decided to get rid of the blue car that I would buy it back at a time were I could afford both cars. He agreed and sadly he was laid off a short time later and could not afford the car with his large family of four children. So I had both Daytonas again! I have attached a couple of pictures taken by Wayne Perkins of the cars back in 1978 and one recently given to me by aero426 that was taken by Dick Drake Kyles father of the cars in the salvage yard.
that area is still full of salvage yards and untill 10 years ago or so flooded regularly . They went and widened thn industial sewage creek and concreted it all
Thanks again for an update Stuart! When Troy restored the Daytona he said it looked like there was a water line about half way up the starter. That made sense with the mud in the carpet inside the car. I didn't know if it was from a flood or doors/windows open and junkyard dust getting in and then getting wet? Glad that they have made some infrastructure improvements there.
1983 NATIONAL SUPERBIRD MEET
In 1983 we went west to KANSAS CITY to WORLDS OF FUN theme park and OCEANS OF FUN water park. This meet was a lot farther west to accomadate the guys out that way for a change. The turnout was small and basically the hardcore regulars again. The park was very good to us and had a special sign for our car display and a reserved paking area. My kids had a lot of fun on this trip! I have attached a few pictures of the meet. The last picture is of Monroe Schellinger looking up at me. Monroe suffered his first stroke at that meet and my club membership was in jepordy! One morning when Monroe was doing a splash and shine I decided to help him rinse off his pride and joy the lime green Superbird. I was getting ready to do the same to my car parked right next to his. I dumped a 5 gallon bucket of water over the railing from the second floor down onto the hood of his Superbird @#$%^&*()!! WOW!! What a mistake! When Monroe came back down to earth he explained how I probably warped the special original hood on his car. I apologized and have never done that type of thing ever again! In fact I don't help anyone wash their car at a show in fear of something going wrong.
worlds of fun is still there and less then 5 miles from where you got your daytona's .
Hi John, great story,I take it the N.O.S. drive shaft fit OK. Did you & Denny ever come to any kind of deal on his drive shaft yet. There was a guy down in Fortville, Ind. that had 3 Dayton's back in the early 80s. I sold him some 70 Charger stuff for them, one was a red with black wing, a blue with black wing & a f6 green with white interior. The red & blue cars were done & the green one needed done. The red one was an auto & the blue one was a 4-speed if I remember right, also one had cruise control. He sold everthing in the late 80s & always thought of where they went. Just thought you might have heard of them. I did find the last N.O.S. big block drive shaft I have if you still are looking for the bird. The cool thing is it has Detroit cast into the rear u-joint. Any way love the story & looking forward to the rest of the story. Great meeting you & take care, Jeff.
Jeff,
The NOS driveshaft is perfect!! I have pm'd you on the other for the Superbird. The date coded correct logo drivers door glass is way better than the one I have in it also!! I was going to mention all the help I received from the forum members when I got to the resto part. In addition to you Jim maxwell wedge came up with a correct part number and good date code NOS horn relay. A fellow Moparts member came up with a pair of NOS date coded torsion bars. I also bought an NOS owners manual set and a correct part number and date coded NOS oil sending unit off EBAY. So the car will be a lot more correct the next time out! Like I say it will never be done! Every chance I get to remove reproduction or upgrade original parts I am going to do my best to do so! I am going to redo my want list on the parts wanted forum. I think it fell off the bottom of the forum. Thanks all for the comments and help!
There was a guy down in Fortville, Ind. that had 3 Dayton's back in the early 80s
Guy in Fortville IN Dewayne Liebrant 69 500 s dad
DASH PLAQUES
Between work and snow plowing my driveway the last week or so didn't leave much time to post. But the mind was working! I was wondering were we went next for our 1984 NATIONAL MEET? I wasn't real sure and didn't want to mess this up. In my absence I thought of all the dash plaques that I had thrown in the console of the Superbird from all the shows it had been to. I have attached a picture of it about three inches full of dash plaques, race tickets and parade lap credentials! I sorted them all out on the floor of my den and took another picture. My first dash plaque was given to me by Monroe Schellinger at the 1978 Milwaukee meet. I have it pictured. Monroe actually gave me two! One to stick on the dash and an extra for collecting purposes. And yes, I actually stuck the first few to the dash @#$%^&*()! I thought that's what you were supposed to do! Rick Edwards ( talkie mopar )
has been to as many national meets as anyone and did stick all his to the dash and there still there! I was also the events director for the HOOSIER MOPARS CLUB in the early 90's and developed a dash plaque for our annual show. It had a Superbird on the plaque and we changed the color of it each year! Speaking of Monroe Schellinger he did so much for us in the AERO car hobby. Me personally even more! The first years that I owned the Daytonas I was on the hunt for the rare Daytona specific parts that I needed. For the two cars I needed 1 hood, 1 right fender, 1 left fender, 2 trunklids and 2 wings!! Early on Monroe sold me a right fender, a hood, a trunk lid and a wing all at a resonable cost!! He got these parts off of at least 2 Daytonas that were parted! Again I say, how many are we really looking for??
1984 NATIONAL SUPERBIRD MEET
In 1984 we went back to Indianapolis for our 1984 NATIONAL MEET. Dave Jones was setting these up as part of the HOOSIER AUTO SHOW and swap meet. I have a picture of the 1984 dash plaque and a picture of the wing cars doing a lap on the famous INDY 500 track! This was another family vacation and there is a picture of Matthew my youngest and another of Mike by the orange bird. You can see many of the other cars at the meet in these pictures. When I won the third place trophy in 1982 I asked Dave Jones if he could get a copy of my judging sheet? He asked me what I wanted it for? I explained that I wanted to go over the points and see if I could make my car better! He understood and told me that a copy would be available after the show. Dave was true to his word and gave me my sheet. I studied it and improved the car where I could and expected to do better. Here is what I learned from that experience. The playing field is not the same from year to year. New cars show up and fresh cars show up. If it has wide valve covers you better be 10 to 15% better to hold your own. It's just like our wing cars when we get dumped into a 69 or 70 B Body class at a smaller show! We have the advantage. Now let me talk about judges. If you don't get the same judge things change. One guy might be a chrome guy and nit pick all over the car on chrome. Another guy might be a body and paint guy and check for runs, panel fit, dirt nibs etc. Yet another might be an original part date code kind of guy. In the end for what ever the factors were I didn't place with what I thought was a much better entry in the class??
Great story daddy and especially great pictures of your amazingly beautiful children....
Working on next Christmas dad! :icon_smile_big:
I was wondering where the stories went.
Everyday I would check here and read a new story. All of this is VERY fascinating. Knowing some of the people you are talking about personally also gives some great back round.
Keep it up!
Michelle,
Welcome to the site and now I will call it our story. As my children grew up they knew every year we would be going somewhere with the cars. Michelle I hope you enjoyed all the places we went! Michelle and the boys have been to as many wing meets as most. While I'm thinking of Michelle, she was the one who always went with me to the swap meets. I would display and price all the parts and Michelle would watch the booth while I would walk around looking for parts. It cost me a hotdog and a pop but it was well worth it for her company and the great times we had on those trips. As she got older I think there might have been a small commission involved???
66chargerkid,
I'm glad your enjoying the post! It's great when someone can connect to the event or some of the people and
cars in the pictures.
Mopar John ( DAD )
1985 NATIONAL MEET
If I don't have my wires crossed here I remember the 1985 NATIONAL MEET as part of the CHRYSLER CAR CLUB CONVENTION or now known as the MOPAR NATIONALS. We were returning to the CHRYSLER PROVING GROUNDS near ANN ARBOR, MICHIGAN. Also there were arrangements made for drag racing at nearby MILAN DRAGWAY for the entrants that wanted to race their cars. It had been a while since that scarry run at US 30 DRAGSTRIP and I was getting the courage to run the 1970 GTX again. You probably figured something eventually was going to happen with the new picture of the BITTER LIME in my signature thanks to Cody! The MILAN track was newer and had a better shutdown area. I had also gone over all the brakes and emergency brake! The GTX was now called the "BITTER LIME" ! The last year at US 30 my wife had the car professionally lettered with graphics by a local artist for my birthday! Back then if you raced at US 30 your car had to have a name! After some thinking about the color name LIME GREEN, I came up with the BITTER LIME logo. The artist painted a picture of a lime doing a burnout with big slicks and headers. The lettering was done in the period correct gold leaf lettering. I had done some testing and tuning at a local track so I would be competitive at Milan. We ran good and won a couple of rounds! Years later my nephew John spotted a picture on the internet of one of the runs at Milan and forwarded it to me. I was now trailering the BITTER LIME but the picture shows the old tow tabs below the front bumper brackets. It also has the old steel hood and the narrow but heavy four inch CRAGAR mags and VOLKSWAGON front tires. I've attached a picture of the dash plaque from this event, the picture that my nephew found and one of my run card with car number. ENJOY!
1986 and 1987 SUPERBIRD NATIONAL MEETS
Life sometimes gets in the way of the fun things! I believe that the club went to WASHINGTON DC in 1986 and to FLORIDA in 1987. I'm sad to say that I was unable to make those meets! But I was ready for the next one! It was 1988 and our first trip to TALLADEGA! That will be the subject of my next chapter in this story! Stay tuned!
Quote from: Mopar John on January 15, 2010, 10:21:40 AM
Michelle,
Welcome to the site and now I will call it our story. As my children grew up they knew every year we would be going somewhere with the cars. Michelle I hope you enjoyed all the places we went! Michelle and the boys have been to as many wing meets as most. While I'm thinking of Michelle, she was the one who always went with me to the swap meets. I would display and price all the parts and Michelle would watch the both while I would walk around looking for parts. It cost me a hotdog and a pop but it was well worth it for her company and the great times we had on those trips. As she got older I think there might have been a small commission involved???
66chargerkid,
I'm glad your enjoying the post! It's great when someone can connect to the event or some of the people and
cars in the pictures.
Mopar John ( DAD )
john 66chargerkid and my other two sons have grown up the last 12 years going to national wing meets as our summer vacations . just like your kids did
Quote from: Mopar John on January 15, 2010, 10:56:42 AM
1986 and 1987 SUPERBIRD NATIONAL MEETS
Life sometimes gets in the way of the fun things! ...
Boy, ain't that the truth !!!!!
1988 DSAC NATIONAL MEET 20TH ANNIVERSARY TALLADEGA MOTOR SPEEDWAY!!!
There is going to be quite a bit from this meet! Up till now my favorites were the CHRYSLER PROVING GROUNDS and the INDY 500 TRACK meets! This was a new venue and it was hosted by a guy named Tim Welborn and his wife Pam. The first couple of times down there the meet headquarters were in Birmingham, Alabama. This meet was the farthest I had driven to a meet and it came with it's share of unexpected problems! My oldest son Mike now eleven made the trip down with me. We drove the orange six pack bird which was now running 4:10 gears! The rpm's were quite high on the interstates! All was well till we got down south in the late July heat. The first thing to go wrong was we heard a pop and flapping sound from the right rear! The car was still driving ok but we pulled over to take a look? We had blown the sidewall off one of the original F60 X 15 Polyglass tires @#$%^&*()! I had never seen anything like this before! We changed over to the spare and went to the next Goodyear tire store that I spotted. We had the spare tire switched over to the rally wheel. I should have kept that tire! Mike and I made it to the headquarters hotel without any more problems. At the hotel they had my favorite drivers current car on display for us. It was the #12 of Bobby Allison! Don't beat me up too bad, he did drive the #22 Daytona for a while! Each day we would line up in the hotel entrance drive for our caravan to the days activities. The attached pictures will give you an idea of how awesome this looked! You should have seen the line going down the expressway and my tach @#$%^&*()!! No one was going slow and they wern't waitin for ya either! Go or blow! ENJOY!!
Awesome pics and story........... :2thumbs:
1988 TALLADEGA PART 2!
On the first official day of the meet we had a car show at the motel parking lot. The things I remember most was the number of people hanging around the pool, the number of HEMI daytonas present and how hot it was! Even cruising without air was uncomfortable! I have attached some pictures of the show at the hotel. For this meet some of the pictures are mine and some were sent to me afterwards by fellow AERO enthusiast Wayne Wooten from Virginia.
That '88 meet was incredibly hot.
1988 TALLADEGA PART 3!
The car show at the hotel was Friday and Saturday was off to the museum near the track. The pictures of the cars lined up in part 1 was the lineup getting ready to leave for the musuem. There had to be around 100 wing cars there! What a sight going down the interstate. When we got to the museum we parked in the same area as we do now but I don't remeber a panporamic photo from this one. Speaking of panaoramic photos I went and got an estimate of getting that 10 X 51 photo framed today @#$%^&*(! WOW! Once to the museum there was a great show of just our cars! But inside were many race cars old, wrecked and current on display! My son Mikes favorite driver was Richard Petty and I got a photo of him by one of the Petty Chargers. There is a photo of the #71 K & K INSURANCE car a 1969 Daytona. There is another photo of my favorite driver Bobby Allisons car and last a picture of the #47 Ramo Stott Superbird. I think it was owned by Jeff Bobst out of Iowa at the time. If I remeber correctly he bought it from Ramo. ENJOY!
AERO426,
For those of us that were there to remeber it 22 years later it was hot! I will talk more about it on part 4 from Sunday the day of the race!
Mopar John
Quote from: Mopar John on January 07, 2010, 12:06:29 PM
1982 PART 2 ORANGE SUPERBIRD WINS TROPHY AT INDY!!
By now all of you have seen how bad the Orange six pack Superbird was when I bought it. You also saw a picture of it being repaired. I finished repairs and repainted it myself. I did everything that I could to the car. Our 1982 Superbird national meet was held in INDY in the infield of the Indianapolis 500 track. It included a judged car show. swap meet and track laps on the 500 track. I drove the Superbird on the track and entered it into the judged show to see how it would do? There were 28 Superbirds there and a lot of them were entered in the wing car judging. I stood and watched nervously as the judge went over my car. At the end of the meet they called all the participants to the trophy awards ceremony and always started with third place. When they got to the wing class they called my name for third place!! I was so happy I almost cried! I had taken a rust bucket and repaired it myself and won third place at a national meet. It is one of my proudest accomplishments to this very day! I have attached a picture of the trophy, another of me holding it by the Superbird and last a picture of me with the trophy and the kids. You will notice that my family has now grown to three children @#$%^&*! Matthew our second son was born in Septmeber of 1981. So he was about a year old in the picture.
I was just looking in my garage last night after I got home from Michigan and noticed the same plaque hanging in my garage. I turned it over and there was a note on the back listing the people and their cars who were 1st, 2nd, and 3rd in 1982. 1st went to Dave Jones for his HEMI Daytona, 2nd was to my father for his HEMI 500 and then Third was you. Just thought that was interesting.
Quote from: 69rtse4spd on January 07, 2010, 06:08:06 PM
Hi John, great story,I take it the N.O.S. drive shaft fit OK. Did you & Denny ever come to any kind of deal on his drive shaft yet. There was a guy down in Fortville, Ind. that had 3 Dayton's back in the early 80s. I sold him some 70 Charger stuff for them, one was a red with black wing, a blue with black wing & a f6 green with white interior. The red & blue cars were done & the green one needed done. The red one was an auto & the blue one was a 4-speed if I remember right, also one had cruise control. He sold everthing in the late 80s & always thought of where they went. Just thought you might have heard of them. I did find the last N.O.S. big block drive shaft I have if you still are looking for the bird. The cool thing is it has Detroit cast into the rear u-joint. Any way love the story & looking forward to the rest of the story. Great meeting you & take care, Jeff.
The gentleman in Fortville Indiana is my father, Dewayne Liebrandt. Did you bring the parts for the 1970 Charger to Fortville? Just curious because I know that when we lived in Fortville he also had a blue 1970 HEMI Charger RT/SE. Depending on how early it was in the 80's there might have been the Q5 Charger 500 there as well, and a Red 1969 Boss 429 Mustang. I know we sold the Mustang right before we moved to Woodburry Indiana (abou 8 miles away). Which is when he purchased 2 more Daytona's along with 2 superbirds.
69_500,
Thanks for the added info on the awards from the 1982 meet! I'm glad that it's bringing back memories and helping those along who were not able to be there. I remeber your father from the meets but never made a trip over to your home. Could you post a picture of the HEMI 500 that won the award? I am fairly new to this site, do you have an aero car? Does your dad still have any of his?
Mopar John
1988 TALLADEGA PART 4 RACEDAY!!
The excitement for raceday and the parade lap was building all weekend! Everyone was up early getting something to eat and getting the cars ready. I don't remeber getting up as early as we do now. The caravan to the speedway was another awesome display of wing cars and horsepower. By now all the dust was off the higher RPM section of my factory tach @#$%^! When we got to the track we lined up in the same area as we do now. I had a big surprise for every one. I had bought four 15 inch steel wheels and some period correct GOODYEAR EAGLE stock car tires. I got the tires from a local racer and had them all mounted and tested before we left on the trip! My son Mike who made the trip with me and I practiced in the driveway taking the rally's off and putting the stock car tires on as quick as possible! We could have filled in for Petty in a pinch we were that good at it! I would loosen the lug nuts and place the jack. Mike would lift the car while I loosened the next wheel and remove the lug nuts. I would then bring the stocker around and have him tighten the nuts. I would put the rally away and then drop the car and do the next. People were starting to gather and watch! It was a lot of fun! We finally got lined up on the track and got to take pictures like we do now. Then was the parade lap and there were a lot more fans there because it was closer to race time. While all this was going on someone in a stock car painted in Winston colors was lapping us at pretty high speeds. That kept everyone down low!! I had heard about the banks at TALLADEGA but never visualized how steep they were! I don't think you could walk up the track in the curves! Now it was time to park the cars and walk to our seats. I don't think the Bobby Allison grandstand was there on the back stretch in 1988. We had to walk over a mile to the front straightaway near the exit of pit road! Good seats but a long walk and it was getting very warm already. The race was called the DIE HARD 500 then. As the race went on we were told that the temprature was 106 degrees @#$%^&*!! It was so hot that Mike was going under the stands in the shade to cool off. I am sad to remeber our leader Monroe suffered a stroke form the heat. This time it was a real one not the kind from me throwing 5 gallons of water onto his Superbird from the second floor!!
When the race was over it was so hot that Mike and I made it about half way back to the car and had to stop and cool off from just walking. I bought us two giant COKES and we sat on the ground in the shade of the fifth wheel of a concession trailer! We then walked the rest of the way back to the Superbird and sat in the shade. We still had to switch back to the rally wheels and take the stock car tires off @#$%^&*! Well it didn't go as quick as when we put them on but we did it and returned to the hotel. I have attached some pictures including one of me and Mike with our Superbird with the GOODYEAR EAGLE stock car tires on it! ENJOY!!
Quote from: Mopar John on January 17, 2010, 11:53:20 AM
69_500,
Thanks for the added info on the awards from the 1982 meet! I'm glad that it's bringing back memories and helping those along who were not able to be there. I remeber your father from the meets but never made a trip over to your home. Could you post a picture of the HEMI 500 that won the award? I am fairly new to this site, do you have an aero car? Does your dad still have any of his?
Mopar John
My dad does not have any of the aero cars anymore, he actually sold all 5 of the Daytona's, 2 Superbirds and the 2 C500's along with the house and everything else we had in 1988 and we moved to Chiang Mai Thailand so that he could start a church for the deaf. They are now back here in the states after working in Thailand for 20 years and he now resided in Greenfield Indiana still making 3-4 trips annually to Thailand as well as to Columbia South America among other countries.
I do have a 69 Charger 500, its nothing fancy just a decent driver car. I took it down there to Talladega this year, it was the R4 red one with the white interior and white tail stripe. 440 AT car. I looked your blue Daytona over pretty well down there at Talladega, very nice car. You didn't have any more problems with the car down there did you, I think it was on Friday night you were having trouble getting it started at the Welbourne's house. I'll take a picture of the plaque and post it a little later on. Trying to entertain the 6 year old while I try to read some of the stuff on here right now.
69__500,
Thanks for the update on your dad. That takes a special person to get rid of something that important and take it all a half a world away to help others! I am glad that you have an AERO car and keeping the family tradition alive!
I'm sure your dad enjoys your car! The problem with my Daytona was that I picked it up on the way to TALLADEGA that Tuesday and only had a trip to the alignment shop on it. I knew it was risky but I wasn't going without it! If you say you can wait till the next one you can't guarantee that everything will work out five years from now. Troy Angelly who restored our Daytona went down with us to represent his work and our car. Thursday night after dinner we had a hard time starting the car. The end result was that it lost it's prime. Once we put some gas in it, it started right up. But it wasn't running real well. Troy and I drove it over to the trailer lot and worked on it under the lights. We worked on the float and didn't have a hard time starting after that. We changed plugs because they were 40 year old NOS Champions but that didn't help ( there back in now! ) We adjusted the timing and it ran real strong up and down the highway in front of the meet hotels. Troy and I took turns letting it have it! WOW!! It runs right there with the six pack bird!!
Thanks!
1988 TALLADEGA PART 5 THE TRIP HOME!!
The big meet is now over and it's time to head home. Mike and I get a good nights sleep after an exhausting day! We get up early and get some breakfast and load up our luggage. We also have the two GOODYEAR stock car tires in the trunk and two in the backseat like on the way down. Alabama is like our home state of Indiana when your traveling north/south it takes forever! We finally make it to Louisville, Kentucky and I remeber thinking were almost home! About half way between Louisville and Indianapolis we hear another loud pop and then the all too familar flapping sound! This time out of the left rear! I pull over in a good spot and we get out to see what's happened this time? We'll you guessed it another blown off sidewall @#$%^&*(! Mike says to me, Dad what are we going to do now? You put the spare on the right rear in Birmingham. By the time he was done asking and saw the smile on my face he knew the answer! We were going to run two of the GOODYEAR stock car tires on the way home!! We put the two with the most tread on the back. We also moved the spare to the left front. It looked like it was another canidate ready to shed it's sidewall!! I am thankfull that it wasn't raining and that I tested these tires before we left!! We made it the rest of the way home without incident. The 1988 TALLADEGA meet was now history! It was one of the best that I had been to! Sorry, no pictures??
DAYTONA PARTS
I had been watching for Daytona parts the years since I bought the cars. They were hard to find back then! I spotted an ad in Hemmings Motor News. I was a subscriber 3rd class and would read all the Mopar ads as soon as I got them. The good stuff was usually gone by the first class subscribers. The ad read "1969 SUPERBIRD WING" ??
I contacted the seller and he still had it!! He told me he had a 1969 Dodge Charger 500 HEMI car and they were restoring it. He told me that someone had made a Daytona out of it and they were returning it back to a stock 500. This was about the time that everyone figured out the serial number sequence for 500's and Daytona's. Before that people were actually trying to switch 500's and sell them as Daytonas saying the 500's didn't sell and Chrysler used them for Daytonas? The deal worked out and I now had a real wing for the other car. The front end parts were already sold @#$%^&*! I had also found a correct date code carb, distributor and radiator by then! While I'm on parts, another member of the Mopar community has responded to my want ad. I was able to purchase a set of NOS 11 X 2 1/2 brake shoes for the rear of the B5 car! I thought brake shoes would have been a lot easier! I am very excited that another item is off the short list. Thanks to all who have helped!!
So at what time john did you decide the blue car was your priority ? At first you only wanted the red car ? Is the blue car now your favorite or was it just more all there to restore ? Do you still have a soft spot for the red car ? Just curious
moparstuart,
I see you are paying attention! I didn't want to buy the blue car but had to! I tried to sell it and got it back! It sat outside when there wasn't enough room! But the tide started to turn when the values started to rise and the broadcast sheet wasn't turning up for the R4 car. I had two possibilities, one that it was in a mixup and in another car or whoever took the seats out would come forward with it. Neither has happened and chances are less each day! Then as cars were being found more and more R4 cars with black interiors with white wings were showing up everywhere! In addition many more similar V2 cars were showing up! Remember I bought these cars to be differant to begin with! So about 5 years ago I decided the B5 color was more rare, that car had it's broadcast sheet and was the only one I had seen with the buddy seat. Also very few had the basic Dodge hubcaps! The decision was made to restore that car first. Some of my wildest ideas are to paint the R4 car panther pink for my wife with a white wing and interior and put a crate HEMI in it @#$%^&!
Quote from: Mopar John on January 18, 2010, 11:19:35 AM
moparstuart,
I see you are paying attention! I didn't want to buy the blue car but had to! I tried to sell it and got it back! It sat outside when there wasn't enough room! But the tide started to turn when the values started to rise and the broadcast sheet wasn't turning up for the R4 car. I had two possibilities, one that it was in a mixup and in another car or whoever took the seats out would come forward with it. Neither has happened and chances are less each day! Then as cars were being found more and more R4 cars with black interiors with white wings were showing up everywhere! In addition many more similar V2 cars were showing up! Remember I bought these cars to be differant to begin with! So about 5 years ago I decided the B5 color was more rare, that car had it's broadcast sheet and was the only one I had seen with the buddy seat. Also very few had the basic Dodge hubcaps! The decision was made to restore that car first. Some of my wildest ideas are to paint the R4 car panther pink for my wife with a white wing and interior and put a crate HEMI in it @#$%^&!
I alway like the details and that one bugged me thanks for answering it , you will have two nice cars when your done anyway you go .
my wife wants me to paint her daytona clone pink too .
1989 and 1990 NATIONAL MEETS!
I was unable to attend the 1989 national meet! The reason was that we bought a new home! The old home was on a narrow 2 acre tract and a couple of the neighbors were getting their fill of me and all the cars! So we bought 13 acres nearby surrounded by the Indiana Toll Road I-80/90. There was a quad level home and a 36 X 48 pole barn with 12 foot ceiling and cement floor! It even had a small office/tool room! The blue Daytona never sat outside again! When we moved I had bought a small delivery truck from my employer to use mainly as a swap meet truck. It took 20 some loads to move the household items and all the car parts@#$%^&*(! There is a picture that shows the new pole barn, the delivery truck and a Plymouth Volare that I bought the boys. They used the Volare to Dukes of Hazzard the 13 acres! What a way to learn how to drive! I junked it after they pulled up to the polebarn one day with it on fire @#$%^&*()! There is another picture that shows the back of the new home, Michelles first car a 1973 Plymouth Road Runner and our 1986 Pontiac Grand Prix AERO COUPE! This was one of about 1100 made!
In 1990 I attended the national meet in Sweetwater, Tennesse. Unfortunately all I have is a picture of the dash plaque. There is also a picture of some DSAC wooden nickles from the 10th anniversary of the club. ENJOY!
Nice 1986 Pontiac Grand Prix 2 + 2 AERO COUPE :2thumbs:
Troy
Troy,
Thanks on the nice AEROCOUPE! We used that car as a second car and drove it a lot! Most people didn't know what it was. All 1100 were built the same except one! It is in the TALLADEGA museum and it's painted black with a brown interior. There will be more shots of the car in a future segment. It was a nice addition to the collection.
1991 DSAC NATIONAL MEET ROAD AMERICA!!
For the 1991 national meet we attended the Chicago Historic Races held at the ROAD AMERICA track in Elkhart Lake, Wisconsin. We had paddock parking and were able to see all the cars making laps on the track! We also were able to go through the pits and see all the cars! It was a great time with a nice day and nice setting. I still have my event t-shirt from that meet. I think I bought it because it had an orange Superbird and a blue Daytona on it. I also have the paddock pass for the car. The turnout was about 20 cars and I thought it should have been more for this rare opportunity?
more awesome pictures & story :yesnod: :popcrn:
1991 DSAC MEET PART 2!
More pictures of the wing cars from 1991. The last picture in the previous post was of a wild paint scheme on a Superbird. Most of the cars have been restored now and you don't see all the wild paint jobs and modifications like you did back then! You will see a black Daytona with 1970 rally wheels on it in this batch. This was also very common on a lot of Daytonas back then. Some even had the recall wheels on them! Those were recalled way before the Daytonas came out but looked neat anyway! ENJOY!
Thanks tan top! I was typing part 2 while you posted. I'm glad your enjoying the story!
Quote from: Mopar John on January 20, 2010, 11:38:12 AM
Thanks tan top! I was typing part 2 while you posted. I'm glad your enjoying the story!
yeap sure am , love reading & seeing this sort of thing , thanks for sharing all the stuff John :yesnod: :cheers: :popcrn:
1991 WING WARRIORS MEET!
In 1991 I also attended the WING WARRIORS meet that was held in Willowbrook, Illinois. It was a small turnout and mainly guys I knew from the Chicago Mopar club. I am sorry that I can't find any pictures on this meet?? I do have just one of the dash plaque! Speaking of pictures, I check each one before I post! It's been a while since I typed up my thoughts and then lost them because one of the pictures was the wrong size @#$%^&*(!
Quote from: hemi68charger on January 20, 2010, 10:43:44 AM
Nice 1986 Pontiac Grand Prix 2 + 2 AERO COUPE :2thumbs:
Troy
wayne used to have one too
Quote from: Mopar John on January 20, 2010, 11:36:35 AM
1991 DSAC MEET PART 2!
More pictures of the wing cars from 1991. The last picture in the previous post was of a wild paint scheme on a Superbird. Most of the cars have been restored now and you don't see all the wild paint jobs and modifications like you did back then! You will see a black Daytona with 1970 rally wheels on it in this batch. This was also very common on a lot of Daytonas back then. Some even had the recall wheels on them! Those were recalled way before the Daytonas came out but looked neat anyway! ENJOY!
that wild painted rainbow bird is wayne's it is being restored as we speak in minnesota .
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,57850.0.html restration thread
1992
No national meet this year but plenty going on! I told you about my first car earlier and how my dad handled that situation. When the 3 kids were born we started a bank account for all 3. Whenever they got a monatary gift we would deposit it into their bank accounts. When they got older I informed them that it was their car account. The more they saved the better car that they would have to start out. Michelle did well becoming a trusted baby sitter in our area and saved some extra money. About the time she needed her first car a friend of mine had a 1973 Road Runner body for sale. Nice car blue with white interior. I had an extra 318 V8 with a 904 auto trans in the shop. So Michelle bought the body and I threw the engine and trans in then painted it. She made out well and drove it problem free for several years! I think she would like to have it back! It's still in our area now maroon with a 440 and 727. Attached are some pictures of my painting the Road Runner!
MORE 1992!
Now that I wasn't afraid of the racecar anymore I would race it occaisionally. My home track was now a small independent track in Osceola, Indiana! It was located in between South Bend and Elkahart, Indiana. More laid back and plenty of time for practice runs. I was now running a 727 automatic trans and more consistant. Even doing a little winning! I was struggling with the 727's though. I couldn't get one to last! The car was now running in the low 12's!! I have attached a few pictures from that year. It looks like I have a dial in of 12:29 on the windshield.
the first car in the '91 meet pics is our car--not hard to miss the "bullet" dent in the quarter or the CB antenna. that's my jacket on the passenger seat, too, as I wouldn't have my license for two more years. the first meet I drove do was Vandergrift PA with the infamous Milsek incident :lol:
Those were dark days for us in the couple years after dad died, but the wing meets brought us some much needed continuity. if we didn't have the friends we do in the clubs the cars would have most likely been sold.
pettybird,
I am glad you and mom have hung onto the cars! In addition you have steadily been upgrading them! Hopefully those pictures brought back some good memories! I hope we can hook up on your trip home this weekend!!
Quote from: Mopar John on January 22, 2010, 12:04:29 AM
pettybird,
I am glad you and mom have hung onto the cars! In addition you have steadily been upgrading them! Hopefully those pictures brought back some good memories! I hope we can hook up on your trip home this weekend!!
I'll be by sometime late morning tomorrow, traffic permitting. I'm staying the night up here just north of milwaukee, driving down to you, and then going home to watch prime time barrett-jackson.
1986 2 + 2 AEROCOUPE
As moparstuart pointed out his friend Wayne also had a 1986 Pontiac aerocoupe. I found some better pictures of mine while digging through the old photos from 1992! These are seldom seen now!
Guy near me bought one new 2+2 Aero Coupe. Still hasnt had it out of the garage.I got its time capsule type pictures to dig up
AEROCAR COLLECTION 1992/1993!
Here are some neat photos of our AEROCAR collection from 1992/1993! From left to right is the 1986 Pontiac 2+2 aerocoupe, 1970 Rebel Machine, 1969 Dodge Daytona blue, 1970 Plymouth Superbird, 1969 Dodge Daytona red, 1970 Plymouth GTX dragcar and last is Michelles 1973 Plymouth Road Runner!! These are some of my favorite pictures! The Daytonas even have wings back on them!! ENJOY!
nascarxx29,
I would love to see time capsule pictures of that new aerocoupe if you dig the up! Thanks!
Nice impressive collection :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
I was looking at aero coupe pontiacs and aero coupe Montes Pontiac I think they had a Richard Petty version of the 2 + 2 I think but not sure of .But I got to find my non mopar aero car pictures.
THE HOOSIER MOPAR ASSOCIATION!!
During the winter of 1992/1993 a couple of local guys reserved a meeting room. They sent out fliers with the information about a meeting to see if there was enough interest to form a local Mopar club? The results were overwhelming! There were at least 50 guys there for that first meeting. One of the younger guys present was the son of a local restaurant owner. He said he would check with his dad to see if we could hold our monthly meetings there. The answer was yes! This was the start of the HOOSIER MOPAR ASSOCIATION! I was very active in the club and was a membership director early on and then events director for a while. We had meetings every month and formulated a plan to have a car show at a local drive-in the same weekend as the very popular POPCORN FEST in Valparaiso, Indiana. You could go to the car show and also get in free for the movies that night. Our first show was in 1993 and we called it MOPARS AT THE DRIVE-IN. That first year we built a float with one members large 2 car trailer and had another member pull it with his new Dodge dually. There was a small version of the drive-in movie screen and our Superbird parked on the trailer like we were watching a movie! There are a couple of pictures of the float. One picture has my son Mike with his girl friend Missy in it. I also have a picture of my charter member t-shirt. These were given only to those that were at that original meeting. I was very active in the club for about 5 years!
1993 MOPAR NATIONALS AT INDIANAPOLIS RACEWAY PARK!
In 1993 for the first time the Mopar Nationals were held in Indy! I had been there before as a spectator but never as a racer! The Mopar Nationals was just the ticket to get to race on this really famous dragstrip! I attached some pictures from that event. As you can tell I was becoming more comfortable with the racecar and dividing time between it and the wing cars. The Indy dragstrip was the best I had run on up to that time! Plenty of shutdown area and several turnoffs depending how fast you were going. A first class operation from announcing to track officials.
1994 MOPAR NATIONALS INDY!
In 1994 I went to the Mopar Nationals in INDY again. It was so close and all the things that happen at that event! Our club was also involved with the swap meet. Again I took the 70 GTX dragcar! It is so much more fun at these type of races without all the brand X cars! I will just attach a couple of good shots from this event. The car is dialed at a 12:13! Working my way down to the 11"s!!
1995 WINGCAR NATIONAL MEET!
In 1995 the WINGCAR national meet was held in Des Moines, Iowa. It was held in conjunction with the 7th ANNUAL MOPARS ON REVIEW car show. Either I didn't take a camera or can't find any photos from that event. I will show you what the dash plaques looked like. I do remeber a guy who was there with a freshly restored Daytona! He built a plexiglass enclosure on top of his flatbed trailer to keep the car in!! The car was out of the weather but you could still see it!
1996
1996 was a busy year! It started out on January 1st with our 25th anniversary criuse to the Carribean! Michelle was now married and she had our first grandchild! I am now old @#$%^&*(! I am now a grandpa! My wife who had cut back on work to earn a nursing degree graduated! We attended the wing car national owners meet in Ann Arbor, Michigan! We went to the Chrysler Proving grounds again and had a great time. Since I had been there several times I didn't take any pictures? Sorry! I have a couple of the dash plaque and the event t-shirt! The
t-shirt had some of the replica wing cars of that time on the back of the shirt!
Quote from: Mopar John on January 27, 2010, 09:00:28 AM
1995 WINGCAR NATIONAL MEET!
In 1995 the WINGCAR national meet was held in Des Moines, Iowa. It was held in conjunction with the 7th ANNUAL MOPARS ON REVIEW car show. Either I didn't take a camera or can't find any photos from that event. I will show you what the dash plaques looked like. I do remeber a guy who was there with a freshly restored Daytona! He built a plexiglass enclosure on top of his flatbed trailer to keep the car in!! The car was out of the weather but you could still see it!
that would be joe murnans green daytona out of nebraska , he goes everywhere with it behind plexi LOL
He had it restored by dean who restores dicks birds. Joe also used to own dicks hemi bird .
Haha why is the wing gone?
1997
With my wifes nursing degree finished and two incomes I decided to try a full season of drag racing in 1997! The track I decided to race at was a fairly new one called US41 DRAGWAY in Moroco, Indiana. It was a little over an hour away and was an IHRA track. They had a summer points series where the top 12 cars in each catagory went to Norwalk, Ohio for the division finals. There were 22 points meets starting with 2 the first weekend, 2 in the middle, 2 at the end and all the rest singles mainly on Sundays. My confidence was blown away the first weekend! The regulars there were good and I was deep in the hole after that first weekend. I climbed my way out and finished the year 13th missing the division finals by just a few points! I made some new friends who also raced Mopars. I have a picture of my good friend Keith Long now known as the 727 SPECIALIST. He has his own transmission buisness. Keith won the last 2 points meets and almost won the track championship! The differance was only a few points! In the picture is his 1970 Dodge Challenger in primer. We ended up trading body and paint work for race transmissions. If you remember I was having a hard time getting 727 transmissions to last. This was not a problem after I had Keith building mine! I also have a couple of pictures from that track!
1998!
The winter of 1997/1998 was a very busy one! Most of us that raced at US41 were looking forward to the new stadium of drag racing being built in Joliet, Illinois! It was to open in the spring of 1998 and would be a first class NHRA facility! Over the winter I rebuilt my 440 engine. I also took my 915 angle plug heads over to see Nick Wilson from COMPU-FLOW in Ohio. Nick showed me what he could do with my ports in just a short time. He had improved the flow significantly. I left the heads there and he did his majic on them. We were also doing the body work and paint on Keith's 1970 Challenger! The winter went by quick but we were ready for the new track! Michelle graduated from college and I have a couple of pictures from her graduation ceremony. One has her holding my new grandaughter ASHLEY and one of me with a beard! No one liked it and I havn't had one since! There is also a picture of our new 1998 Dodge Ram pickup and US CARGO enclosed box trailer! I bought it so that all the cars would fit inside including the Superbird!
1998 PART 2!
The new track in Joliet opens and were ready to go! There were only about 12 points meets for the season here! It was a relief after 22 the year before! My car was now running in the low 11's! This track was built for the NHRA elite but we got to use it in between big events. I signed up for the season points. I was much more prepared for this track after running the car so much the year before. I have attached some pictures of the car at the new track sporting new lightweight Weld Prostars. There is also a picture of me holding my grandaughter. The last picture shows my trophy from that inaugural season. I placed 7th and got to go race at the NHRA DIVISION 3 ET FINALS in Indy!! That was neat because I was already familiar with that track from running the Mopar Nationals there a couple of years! I won a couple of rounds in Indy to cap off a great year of racing!!
the '96 meet was a blast. I passed two cars (including mom in our B5 car) in the petty car and held it floored in the top lane until the speedo and tach stopped going any further. I was way back from the lead cars and had nearly half the length of the track before I had to shut down.
I had kyle peters (glenn's teenage son) in the back seat and jerry service (longtime wing owner and friend of my dad) in the passenger seat. I was flat out, a foot from the armco and concentrating HARD, kyle was in the back seat strangling my headrest posts so hard his knuckles were white and jerry just sat in the passenger seat, telling a story about my dad, as casually as if we were in his living room. totally awesome.
I have pics too but they're buried somewhere and I'd have to be as high tech as John in posting them as I don't have a scanner either :lol:
1999
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My TITANIC hits an iceberg!! The plans for 1999 was to run the full points season at ROUTE 66 RACEWAY with the 1970 GTX and to attended the 30th AERO WARRIOR REUNION with the Superbird. The season started out great with the car running well and in the top 10! There were 4 of us with Mopars pitting together and helping each other out! We were all in the top 10 and things were great! Keith had built the transmissions for the cars and I had painted a couple of them. Early August I got wind of the fact that my wife of 26 years was having an affair with one of my racing buddies @#$%^&*()#$%^&*()@#$%^&*(#$%^&*()@#$%^&*()!!! This reopened the wounds from 1980!! This disaster affected my family, my friends and my hobby! People outside the marriage got involved and took sides and it became a real mess! I filed for divorce and had the opportunity to buy back my home and my cars! Michelle was out of the house and married, Mike was out of high school and working and Matthew was going into his senior year. Keith the 727 SPECIALIST stayed at my side and is a true friend to this day! The others went to the dark side as I call it. As bad as things were I made the decision to keep racing and actually ended up having one of my best years! I won a non points Mopar event! I also one won of our points meets and finished 5th for the year! I also got to participate in the NHRA DIVISION 3 ET FINALS in INDY again! I spent a lot of time with the kids and my grandaughter. I also started organizing and remodeling the house. By the way several people tried to take advantage of this situation and try to buy one of the cars at a bargain rate and are no longer my friends also!! I would have sold the house and moved back in with my mom and dad before I would have sold the cars!! Well enough on that, I know there are others on here who have gone through bad times. In my next segment I will cover the 1999 TALLADEGA REUNION! Yes, I did go and NO I didn't drive it down there after all the blown sidewalls in 1988! Besides I could keep the Superbird locked up in the new trailer at night! Enjoy the pictures!
wow john sorry to hear about your bad year .
John, sorry that it took so long but you asked to see the plaque I had hanging up in the garage from 1982 at Indy as well. Well here it is.
John..
Glad you were able to still focus on yourself and enjoy life. After all, it's YOUR life when it's said done and you took charge !!!!! :2thumbs:
When one bad door opens and closes, another good door is soon to open.............
Troy
Troy,
I like your philosphy about the doors opening and closing! It took a while for the bad door to close but the good door or doors were right behind! I am a very lucky guy and will share some of the good door type stuff soon!
69_500,
Thanks for the followup on your dads second place trophy! I am glad it is still displayed in a place of honor! You also mentioned Dave Jones taking 1st with his Hemi Daytona. I'm just wondering what happened to Dave? I havn't seen him at any wing meets and wonder if he still has an AERO car?
TALLADEGA 1999 SOON!
Quote from: Mopar John on February 01, 2010, 09:59:21 AM
Troy,
I like your philosphy about the doors opening and closing! It took a while for the bad door to close but the good door or doors were right behind! I am a very lucky guy and will share some of the good door type stuff soon!
69_500,
Thanks for the followup on your dads second place trophy! I am glad it is still displayed in a place of honor! You also mentioned Dave Jones taking 1st with his Hemi Daytona. I'm just wondering what happened to Dave? I havn't seen him at any wing meets and wonder if he still has an AERO car?
TALLADEGA 1999 SOON!
Dave Jones is still on the east side of Indianapolis but he does not have any AERO cars that I know of. He sold the V2 HEMI Daytona several years ago and it was the last of the AERO cars that he had. I believe he has a 1970 Coronet R/T now.
DAYTONA UPDATE!
We have been asked by Troy Angelly to display our Daytona in his booth at the INDY CYLINDER HEAD trade show on March 6th and 7th. We have accepted and since we'll be down there have reserved a swap space right next to Troy's booth. So if your going to the show stop by and see us!
Several members here on the forum contacted me about the NOS Charger weatherstrip on EBAY. Thanks! They saw that I was looking for one on my want list. I have purchased it from Frank Mitchell and crossed that item off my list. I am really surprised at all the NOS parts that I have found this late in the Game!
I am going to Troy's shop tommorrow to drop off some parts to be detailed and to take pictures of the NOS parts for the restoration documentation book he is making. I will also check out the Daytonas being restored down there!
1999 NATIONAL MEET TALLADEGA!
The 1999 national meet was going to be held at Talladega, Alabama again. This was a meet not to miss!! I had already made motel reservations and bought four tickets. My soon to be ex was going along with her brother and his wife @#$%^&*()#$%^&*(?? I didn't know what I was going to do about all this. I contacted my soon to be ex brother in law and he said the he didn't have a problem with me. He said he didn't want his sisters actions to ruin his vacation and was looking forward to the meet and the race. I asked my youngest son Matthew to go along and he jumped at the chance to go! So we were all set. The format was the same as in 1988 where the Welborn's hosted the show out of Birmingham. We had a car show on Friday, the Talladega museum on Saturday and the parade lap and race on Sunday! I have attached a picture of Matthew at the track early Sunday morning and some of the event credentials. More soon!
Very cool!
more good reading & pictures , John :cheers: awesome stuff :popcrn:
I will be up there at the swap meet in Indy in march, looking forward to seeing you there and checking the car out once again. Didn't get to really look it over down at Talladega spent too much time down there chit chatting with old friends more than looking at many cars.
69_500,
I hope we meet up in Indy! If you didn't get to check the car out in Talladega it is better now! Yesterday I was on the road all day! I went to Troy's shop in southern Illinois to go over our finish list. We also documented all the NOS that I've bought since the car was restored. Today I spent all morning putting on the NOS parts. I added a NOS horn relay that I got from MAXWELL WEDGE Jim on this site. Also added were an NOS oil sending relay, NOS trunk bumpers that I thought might have been wrong because of an incomplete part number, a correct vacum hose fitting and the two remaining headlight rings. I have a few more parts on hand that need to go on but I may wait and let Troy who works with this stuff every day do it. Just now while I was writing this the door bell rang?? It was my mail lady with my NOS rear brake shoes from Minnesota. Thanks to another Mopar guy responding to my want ad!! Thanks again to all who have helped us!!
1999 TALLADEGA PART 2!
Like I said earlier we were based out of Birmingham again for this meet! I had changed the gears in my Dana back to stock 3:54"s so criusing out to the track and back was a lot better than in 1988. I didn't take any pictures of the car show on Friday or the lineups. We all saw those from the 88 meet. Our featured guest at the museum was the KING himself Ricjard Petty! He was there to answer questions and sign autographs for us. They had one of the Pontiacs he was driving on display. There was also one of the cars that he recently had wrecked real baddd!!! I have attached some pictures of Richard and his cars.
1999 TALLADEGA PART 3!
I mentioned how on the t-shirt from the 1996 meet that the tribute cars were gaining in popularity. Well this meet kept up that same trend with a couple of new tribute cars! While I mention back to 1996 I was faced with the loss of my dear grandmother that year also and should have mentioned it then. Without her and my grandfather much of this would not have happened! Martha Borzych June 20th 1898 - February 14th 1996 RIP!!
Back to Talladega. The #43 Richard Petty Superbird replica was there, a #71 Daytona replica, a #42 Marty Robbins Daytona now owned by the Croxfords and Wayne perkins with his #99 Dow Daytona replica. I have left Wayne to last because the picture of his shows the drivers side smashed!! Wayne pulled over on the interstate to help another wing car owner who had car troubles. He was backing up to the exit ramp when a motorcycle came down the ramp at a very high speed and hit the Daytona @#$%^&*()_! Waynes car I am told is an original yellow HEMI car to boot!! In additon to the tribute cars Tim Welborn had the real #71 car there. I believe it had just come out of some restoration work to get it running again with period correct parts. Enjoy!
1999 TALLADEGA PART 4!
On Sunday we had our parade lap! This one was like 1988 with 2 rows of wing cars. I think this looked better! It was like we were out there racing sort of? This time there was no Winston car running around the outside groove! Maybe it was because we started earlier like we do now! I have attached some pictures from cars in front of us and behind us.
1999 TALLADEGA FINAL!
10% of the known HEMI DAYTONAS get wrecked at this meet!! On Saturday Wayne Perkins in his #99 DOW HEMI DAYTONA gets sideswiped. Then on Sunday on the parade lap 2 more HEMI DAYTONAS get wrecked!! We were going around the track and a HEMI Daytona lettered up as the WINGED WARRIOR has the left rear wheel and tire start wobbeling and it comes out from under the car and rolls down to the infield #$%^&*()!! No one got hit and we were lucky because he was on the outside line! Then as the car is working it's way to the bottom rolling along on the brake drum it also comes off @#$%^&*()!@!! It rolls down the banking and slams into the side of Dave Jones HEMI Daytona @#$%^&*($%^&! WOW!! I have attached a picture of the Winged Warrior Daytona, Daves Daytona and a picture of someone retrieving the wheel and tire. There is also a picture of the brake drum laying on the track! That's it for 1999 TALLADEGA!
:popcrn: more awesome pictures John , great stuff :cheers: :2thumbs:
Quote from: Mopar John on February 05, 2010, 06:28:30 PM
... Then as the car is working it's way to the bottom rolling along on the brake drum it also comes off @#$%^&*()!@!! It rolls down the banking and slams into the side of Dave Jones HEMI Daytona @#$%^&*($%^&! WOW!! I have attached a picture of the Winged Warrior Daytona, Daves Daytona and a picture of someone retrieving the wheel and tire. There is also a picture of the brake drum laying on the track! That's it for 1999 TALLADEGA!
:o
That was a pretty crazy meet!
Remember Sean Machado (sp?) rebuilding the bottom end of his motor at the museum to be able to drive it home?
My SuperBird gave me fits too. I went through three fuel pumps (I eventually found out the pump pushrod had mushroomed at the cam), and I lost a brake caliper.
I was giving Wayne a ride in my car for the parade lap after what had happened to his, and then we had to push mine off of the track! Wayne got to steer because he was the lightest, my dad and I, and Mike O'Donnel had to push the darn thing up the embankment to get off the track, through the pits, and onto the trailer.
Quote from: Dave Kanofsky on February 08, 2010, 01:42:26 PM
That was a pretty crazy meet!
Remember Sean Machado (sp?) rebuilding the bottom end of his motor at the museum to be able to drive it home?
My SuperBird gave me fits too. I went through three fuel pumps (I eventually found out the pump pushrod had mushroomed at the cam), and I lost a brake caliper.
I was giving Wayne a ride in my car for the parade lap after what had happened to his, and then we had to push mine off of the track! Wayne got to steer because he was the lightest, my dad and I, and Mike O'Donnel had to push the darn thing up the embankment to get off the track, through the pits, and onto the trailer.
I had that same fuel pump rod problem at this last years meet in virginia , and you got that right that wayne is thin as a rail LOL
2000
The remainder of 1999 was spent getting ready for the divorce! I had to get her stuff out and got rid of what I didn't want also. I was closing the door as Troy says on several fronts. Financially I didn't have any charge card debt but was finishing a 12 X 64 addition to my shop and had 6 payments left on my new loader for my compact tractor. Matt was starting his senior year and was in a good band! They started practicing at my house in the basement and made 2 CD's. They were very close to making it! With all the animals gone and the boys grown up I decided to do some remodleing over the winter. I started in the living room. I tore out the old animal smelling carpet, moved the answering machine to the kitchen and painted the ceiling and walls the color of my choice. I also went and bought the thickest pad and carpeting that I could find. It was heaven to just walk in there after a long day. You can get a glimpse of my decorating in Matt's graduation picture. I made a list of all the things that I wanted to do and it had 3 columns, 1 for things I could do, 1 for things someone else would have to do and last was things that would cost money. I didn't have much money having lost my wifes nursing salary and paying all the bills. I also started reading at night trying to figure out what went wrong with my marriage and how I would handle dating once I was ready for that. I started saving to buy back the cars while the divorce was dragging on due to the fact my ex went through 3 differant lawyers @#$%^&*()! I wanted to keep the refinance as low as possible. When I finished the first addition to the shop I started parting out my cars I had out back. I realized as parts came off others were being ruined by the weather! I had about 14 cars back there all 1968 1969 1970 B Bodies. The new addition had 64 feet of floor space 2 feet deep and 3 shelves 64 feet long 2 feet deep! The bottom on the cement was for engines, transmissions, rearends, and suspension parts. The rest went on the other shelves. Later in the year I started the second addition to bring the main building out from 48 feet to 64 feet even with the first addition. When done it was 48 X 64! I had room for 5 more cars inside! Well Matthew finished high school and graduated. He went to our small school and my niece Jen also graduated. There were only 28 seniors that graduated! Late in the year Matt went shopping with me for clothes and I started dating. I decided to make a list of what I wanted in a woman and if I couldn't find it I would remain single! I also decide I wanted to date 20 differant women before I got serious!! I wanted to become an expert and not get into another bad relationship! Many guys get lonely and end up in a relationship that is worse than the previous one. Hey Troy the good doors are opening!! I have attached some pictures of the graduation and additions to the shop!
Great story John, keep it coming. I really enjoy hearing the stories of the people of your generation. The pictures are priceless and now your memories and pictures will go on for ever. Thank you.
Quote from: Mopar John on February 08, 2010, 09:59:38 PM
2000
......Hey Troy the good doors are opening!! I have attached some pictures of the graduation and additions to the shop!
That's awesome John... As individuals created by God on this lovely planet, we all deserve happiness and joy, without having to do too much compromise. It's one thing to compromise in the spirit of a successful marriage, but it's a completely different story when you have to compromise on all your hopes, dreams and basically live the life you never signed up for......
I had to laugh about the dating thing. I went through a similar situation with an ex-fiancee of mine. Broke up and swore I would never compromise again. Like you, I created a checklist, but found out later it was better served as liner material in one of the Mall's pet store cages. I dated bigtime thanks to this new (at the time) online singles gig. :lol:
At that time, I was away from my civilian job and full-time with my Air Force weapons shop ( I at that point had been activated post-9/11 to support F-16 Combat Air Patrols over Houston, Operation Noble Eagle). Because I was dating so much, the guys in my shop referred to me as
I-P, Internet Pimp... And when I started chatting one day with a lady from France for fun ( I can write and speak French a little), they started calling me
Double I-P, International !! Internet Pimp. :rofl:
Got to the point that only 1st dates happened at the local Starbucks.. Man !!! going on dates got rather expensive....
Fast forward, this is where I met my lovely wife Kim and it's been 7 wonderful years. We even had a Mopar theme in our wedding vows.. I won't bore ya'll with that unless someone wants to know..
OK, enough of me......... John, I'm happy for you that things seemed to be pressing forward ten years ago for you.............
Troy
2001 PART 1 LINDA!
I didn't do any internet dating but used several differant avenues to arrange a date. Some were friends of friends and even my kids set me up! Well it's early 2001 and I'm on number 7 of my goal of at least 20 and I run into LINDA! Yes, that LINDA back from 1980. She was really mad for me dumping her for a lot of years @#$%^&*()!!
She asked me how I was doing and I was almost embarrassed to tell her that I was finishing up another divorce! Remember I dumped her to take the ex back in 1980 @#$%^&*()! I think it brought her some satisfaction! I then asked her how she was doing and she informed me that she was getting divorced?? We spent a lot of time talking and this led to some dating again!! We decided to give each other another chance in this fine life we live in! Linda turned out to be my lucky 7!! She had evrything that was on my list and extras! I will give an example of something that was on my list and talk about compromise. I had that I wanted someone that liked rock and roll music. My ex liked country and I liked rock and heavy metal! When the radio was on someone wasn't really enjoying things. Linda likes rock like I do and we have gone to the following concerts together STYX twice, REO twice, ZZ TOP, BLUE OYSTER CULT, FOGHAT, CHICAGO, JETHRO TULL and a Beatles act in VEGAS!! DO YOU GET MY POINT HERE!! It wasn't long and we realized things were working out real well and she moved in with me!! She helped me with some expenses knowing I had a refinance mortgage and she eliminated an expensive apartment!!
Linda is a car gal and really likes Mustangs! Next best are my Mopars to her. Now get this her birthday is April 26th or 426!!! So I call her 426 LINDA and now have that lettered on her side of the racecar! I have attached a picture of us from one of our first dates.
Mopar John,
This is a great story! You should seriously consider putting your story into a book. I KNOW a lot of car guys (especially those into Mopars) would find it an excellent read. Those pics you have of the various Mopar musclecars give us younger generation a chance to see what they really looked like in their heyday. People who watch the Barrett-Jackson auctions with an regularity would be DELERIOUS at the thought of someone owning THREE Superbirds at once!
Speaking of winged cars, a guy that lived near my hometown has TWO lime green Superbirds. One is a 440 automatic car that he had completely restored about 10 years ago, and the other is an original 440 Six Pack bird that he drives on nice days. His name is John Schmitz. Last I heard he moved down to Effingham. Do you know him? He used to have a lot across the street from his farm FULL of old Mopar musclecars until the late 1990s. Car guys from all over would drive by the place just to drool over what he had. His place earned the nicname "Mopar Heaven."
Quote from: Black Charger on February 09, 2010, 07:25:06 PM
Mopar John,
Speaking of winged cars, a guy that lived near my hometown has TWO lime green Superbirds. One is a 440 automatic car that he had completely restored about 10 years ago, and the other is an original 440 Six Pack bird that he drives on nice days. His name is John Schmitz. Last I heard he moved down to Effingham. Do you know him? He used to have a lot across the street from his farm FULL of old Mopar musclecars until the late 1990s. Car guys from all over would drive by the place just to drool over what he had. His place earned the nicname "Mopar Heaven."
Black Charger,
Welcome! I don't want to steal too much of Mopar John's thread but here is a picture I have of John's restored 'Bird! I believe that is him near the side of his car. These were taken in July 2007 in Roanoke IL at a Mopar show. That is my Blue Bird, John's Limelight car in the middle, and the other limelight car belongs to Dave Kneip of Morton IL. Dave and I both had our Cars at Talladega this year as well.
Mopar John,
I got to speak to you briefly at Tim's museum this year, but I really am enjoying your thread and story here, Keep it coming!
Scott Faulkner
Black Charger WELCOME TO THE FORUM! I hope it was my story that got you to join! I don't know John Schmitz but another forum member 70Sbird has helped us out here! Scott was good talking with you down there! What a great meet it was. I am already planning for the next one in 2014!
Quote from: Mopar John on February 10, 2010, 04:46:30 PM
Black Charger WELCOME TO THE FORUM! I hope it was my story that got you to join! I don't know John Schmitz but another forum member 70Sbird has helped us out here! Scott was good talking with you down there! What a great meet it was. I am already planning for the next one in 2014!
I really really really wanted to go to the 09 meet , having never been . Now i must make 2014 !!! Please let the economy get better .
2001 PART 2 AERO WARRIOR REUNION!
For 2001 our AERO WARRIOR REUNION was held in Auburn Hills, Michigan near Detroit. On Friday we went to tour the Dodge mansion built by one of the brothers that founded the car company. If I remember right he didn't live long enough to see it finished. We only had a few cars show up the first day. This was Lindas first meet and Dennis Fortin was there with his B5 blue Daytona. This worked out great because I had sold Dennis some parts for his restoration including some date coded glass. Linda also knew Dennis from telephone calls on parts and started to feel welcome. This also gave her an idea of what my B5 Daytona would look like restored! On Saturday we went to the HENRY FORD MUSEUM and I have a picture of Linda near the entrance. This also worked out well since she's a FORD gal! I have a picture of Dennis's B5 Daytona and a copper one from the Chrysler MUSEUM on Sunday!
2001 AERO WARRIOR REUNION CONTINUED!
On Sunday we went to the new Walter P. Chrysler Museum for the 12th Chrysler Employee Motorsport Association Show. We had special parking up on the lawn right in front of the new museum! They treated us like royality and we all got goodie bags including the dash plaque! There is a picture of me standing in front of the museum under the name plate. I also have a couple of shots of the cars. It was a very good turnout for a non Talladega meet!
If you look toward the back in the one picture of the cars you will see a parking lot with all the employee show cars. They also had a nice turnout to make for a great show!
Hey John..........
Man, your story of hooking back up with Linda is GREAT.. Sort of like destiny !!! It was meant to happen, regardless of what path you took to get there. Apparently, you both needed to take different routes to get to the same place....... Too bad there isn't a "mapquest" to love....... :icon_smile_big:
Looks like you two had a great time that 2001 weekend.........
Troy
Troy,
Thanks for the kind words and your good door bad door theory! The bad doors are closed and good doors are still opening! Linda and I are still together and we ate with you at the Talladega musuem. She was the one that got the apple with the hole in it.
Quote from: Mopar John on February 12, 2010, 11:46:07 AM
Troy,
Thanks for the kind words and your good door bad door theory! The bad doors are closed and good doors are still opening! Linda and I are still together and we ate with you at the Talladega musuem. She was the one that got the apple with the hole in it.
Ahhhhhh,, ok, I remember now................ :2thumbs:
Looking forward to the next gathering....... If you're ever down here in Houston, the "door's" open...........
2001 PART 3 DRAG RACING!
I didn't mention anything about my drag racing in 2000. I competed the full season at ROUTE 66 RACEWAY in Joliet and finished 12th. I was out of the top ten but still qualified for the NHRA DIVISION 3 ET FINALS in INDY again! For 2001 I freshened my 440 and was ready to go! Linda was now attending the races and now my CREW CHIEF! She helped file fit rings and install the second set of valve springs after the cam was broke in! We did well in 2001 and won one of the meets! We were down to about 10 meets a year and it was tough to win one!! PRO ET is the largest class with a field of about 100 cars and 7 rounds of racing to win. This day started out bad and got real interesting! In my first time trial the staging rev limiter didn't work and my trans brake went to full redline at 7,000RPM !@#$%^&*()!! The takeoff was so violent it spun the rearend in the leaf spring u-bolts until the driveshaft couldn't handle it! It broke the end of my race aluminum driveshaft off !@#$%^&*()!! They towed me back to the pits and Linda asks me what are you going to do?? I told her that I was going to unhook the trailer and drive back home to Westville, Indiana 75 miles away and get the stock steel driveshaft!!!!! She couldn't believe it! I told my racing partner Keith what my plan was and left for home. When I got home there was a message from Keith about u-bolts. I grabbed my stock steel driveshaft and some u-joint straps and headed back to the track! When I got back Keith and my other Mopar pals had the car up on jack stands and had the rearend turned back where it was supposed to be. Then keith asks me where the u-bolts were and I showed him the straps. He says you brought the wrong parts @#$%^&*()!! We ended up taking a u-bolt off his tow vehicle and putting in the stock drive shaft. Believe it or not we made the tail end of the last time trials!! WOW!! Then we started racing and I was winning!! But there was a problem! The rear end was sliding back on the side with the truck u-bolt and we were moving it back each round!@#$^&#$%!@!! Linda was scared that I was going to wreck the car at high speed! I kept winning and Keith was out and was helping me move the rearend back! In the semi-finals and final we didn't have the time to move it back@#$%^&*!! It was a little scary on take off but I had to try and win this thing! We ended up winning the meet!!!!!! Thanks KEITH and THANKS LINDA for the win! This helped me to one of my best season finishes in 6th place! I have attached a picture of the lucky driveshaft that I still have. I have a pile of all the parts that I have torn up over the years to show all my grankids when they grow up. Speaking of grandkids I have a picture of my granddaughter Ashley starting to grow up. Last I have a picture of Linda and I all worn out but happy after the big win!!
Troy,
Here is Lindas famous box lunch apple with the hole in it. :shruggy:
Quote from: Mopar John on February 12, 2010, 09:50:35 PM
Troy,
Here is Lindas famous box lunch apple with the hole in it. :shruggy:
:eek2: Yeap.......... You do keep everything !!!!!! Even if it's in a picture...... :rofl: That whole boxed lunch for what? $10 or something like that?
Mopar John,
Your story is what got me to finally register and join this site instead of just lurking. My love of Chargers brought me here but I have to say that I have really gotten into your story. I can't wait to read some more!
By the way, after seeing your shots from the US 30 Drag Strip in Hobart, IN, I did a web search and I found a link that might interest you: http://www.lostindiana.net/Lost_Indiana/Lost_Indiana__US_30_Drag_Strip.html
Basically, soomeone went to the old US 30 site and took pictures of what it all looks like now.
Black Charger,
I am glad I brought you aboard! I hope you find other information on the site informative and helpfull! I have been on the old US30 site and also stop by the old track when in that area. It's about 40 minutes away! Here are a couple of recent updates about that. The original announcer for the " SUNDAY SUNDAY SUNDAY" radio commercials has recently passed away. Also the old Sunoco gas station that was at the corner by the track was recently torn down. As of late it was a very small SHELL foodmart. So as time passes so does the old track that so many went to!
2002!
The winter of 2001/2002 was spent do more remodeling/updating on the house! I also spent a lot of time with my new girlfriend getting to know her and adjusting our lifestyles. In the spring I purchased a new tow vehicle for the box trailer. The 1998 Dodge pulled the trailer very well. But when a semi passed me !@#$%^&*()_!! it was like driving a snake or a rope! I decided to buy a one ton cab and chassis and buy a dump box from my brother in law. At the time he had a nursery/garden center and did snow plows and truck equipment also. For less than a dually pickup I put this dump truck together. I had my compact tractor and was able to do a lot of small jobs myself and use the truck to save money! I raced the 2002 season at ROUTE 66 RACEWAY and again won an event and again finished 6th in the years points. I had Nick Wilson from COMPUFLOW in Medina , OHIO build me a new short block for the season and we were now running close to 10 flat and near the fast end of the PRO ET bracket! We went to the ET FINALS in INDY again! I have attached a picture of the new tow vehicle, the 2002 ROUTE 66 TROPHY and some of the pictures hanging in my rec room from the ET FINALS! ENJOY!
Dang John... That Dodge will pull anything......... :2thumbs:
Where do you put your luggage? :scratchchin:
Troy,
Who needs luggage when your pulling your Mopar to the track or a big show! But really we remove the race car stuff and put it in the nose of the trailer!
2002 THE REST OF THE STORY!
Things were working out for Linda and I and one day we spotted a very nice home for sale near by. I know your going to say that I just finished two additions to the shop and parted all the cars out. I needed a fresh start with Linda and always liked my first brick home. The house we were looking at was brick and had a nice shop with a bathroom and 1/2 had a heated floor! This home was about 2 1/2 miles closer to work for both of us and right on a major highway but set back from the road on 8 acres! We looked at the house and put in an offer that was rejected@#$%^&*()_!! We went back when we saw the for sale signs down and made another offer that was accepted! I then had to sell my old house with the 13 acres by the Indiana Toll Road. I decided to call the Toll Road since they had just expanded the semi parking lot across on the other side. I thought they might be interested in the back part since all their drainage and garbage was coming through my place. I made a call and after about 5 differant people I got a legal guy who knew the area. Right then on the phone he told me they were interested in my back 4 acres! Linda and I took a load of dirt over to my mom and dads and while we were driving I told Linda maybe they might be interested in the whole place?? When we got home there was two messages form the Toll Road that they were indeed interested in the whole place! WOW!! We had a meeting and they told me that their legal department would handle the closing if we came to an agreement. They asked me how much I wanted for the place and I told them what I wanted. They had done there home work and offered what it had been apraised for in the recent divorce settlement. I then informed them of the shop additions and all the home remodeling. They told me that they would send an appraiser out and if it appraised for what I was asking it was a deal!@#$%^&*()!! A real nice lady came out and asked me how I got my selling price? I showed her the divorce appraisal and all the receipts from the remodeling and shop additions! She made some copies and said you have no problem here you didn't even add labor! The Toll Road called the next day and said we had a deal! We had our closing with little in closing costs and no realtor fees! The house was sold and they told us that we could take whatever we wanted except for the furnace and water softner@%^&*!! WOW!! Linda asked me to pay off the new dump truck from the proceeds and then added her equity and we bought our new home with a very small mortgage and all our vehicles paid for!! Here was one of Troys GOOD doors opening and a BAD one closing for sure!
My life was changing so fast I couldn't keep up with it. I wanted to wait before I got remarried but Linda was special and if we just bought a new home together I decided we should get married!! I proposed to her right after we moved in in September. She said yes and we were married on November 1st 2002! I took her to a SANDALS resort in Antigua for our honeymoon. There is a picture from Antigua attached along with a couple of the new home and shop! They are even digital! ENJOY!
WOW !!!!! :cheers:
A great wife and an awesome home.. That house is awesome......... Sweet....... Maybe the good financial-door will open for me and Kim soon ........
Being a geology guy and loving front porches, that's a dream house..... Love the stone.........
Troy
2003!
The year 2003 was a busy one! I was landscaping the front yard. Many people would watch as they drove past and didn't understand till it was all done. One section out by the road was high and another was low and always had water setting there! I stripped off the sod and put it on a big pile to rot while I moved the dirt around. The end result was good drainage with a nice rolling setting! I also took the engine and transmission out of the Superbird! I was getting ready for Talladega 2004! I sent the engine to Nick Wilson who built my race engine to rebuild the original numbers matching 440 SIX PACK engine. We also put hardened seats in for the valves with all the changes in gasoline now days. I sent the transmission to my racing partner Keith the " 727 SPECIALIST". Keith also helped me freshen the Dana rearend! It was chattering when truning tight corners! While all this was going on I sanded and repainted the engine comaprtment! I detailed it also buying many parts from a guy named Paul Jacobs from here in Indiana. Remember that name as Paul becomes an important player in the Daytona restoration!
The engine compartment came out real nice and still shows well! I bought from several other well known Mopar vendoars with mixed results! Plans are to have the rest of the Superbird restored in time for Talladega 2014! Make plans now or you will miss it!
2003 PART 2!
I also decided during 2003 to part company with my AMC REBEL MACHINE! I didn't have as much garage space and wanted to use the proceeds to finish the wing cars. I thought when Chrysler bought AMC that the owners from both groups would join forces and that really never happened! I have attached some more of the Superbird pictures getting ready for Talladega 2004!
JUST a few updates and added information before I continue into 2004! Last weekend I attended the CMC swap and two individuals stepped up to help me out with the Daytona project! My good friend Don Bishop brought some parts type vacum harnesses along for me to salvage some original plastic fittings. I found the 2 tees that I was looking for but am still on the hunt for 2 straight connectors! Also a fellow Moparts member Joe Sawyer e-mailed me late Friday and said that he had the parts that I was looking for! He also said he would be at the swap so I told him to bring the parts along. He had an original 7290 pinion yoke with the correctly dated straps that I was looking for and the original "H" bolts in great shape!! He also had a pair of assembly line 7290 u-joints with all the clips and hardware#@$%^&*(!! WOW!! That made my day!
In my 2003 story I told about how I sold my 1970 AMC REBEL MACHINE. I forgot to mention that I did show that car once in 1996 at a NAMDRA show at Great Lakes Dragway in Union Grove, Wisconsin. There were about 7 Machines there and I took 3rd and didn't even have the red, white and blue stripes on it yet!
Last I am sad to say that the picture of my grandparents buisness that is now known as the pumps on 12 may have been the last while it was opened. It has been closed since the first of the year and may not reopen due to the economy?
Great story, thanks for sharing. :popcrn:
2004 AERO WARRIOR REUNION!
As I stated the 2004 meet was going to be in Talladega again! I had the bird in the best shape that it had ever been! Newly rebuilt engine, trans and rear end! I also repainted the engine compartment and did a lot of detail work under the hood for this meet. This time the meet was going to be based out of Alexander City, Alalbama near the home of our hosts Tim and Pam Welborn. Thursday was an arrival day and then on Friday we were going to the Welborn home? I can't describe in words my feeling when I drove under the roof connecting the new carriage house and garage. We all parked around the front of the house. The place was ours and we could go in any of the buildings that all had something to see. Pam even had tours inside the period furnished home! I have attached some pictures of the dash plaque and t-shirt from the meet. There is also a shot of me tinkering with the Superbird!
2004 AERO WARRIOR REUNION PART 2!
Tim and Pam didn't have the museum so all the cars were stored at home or a warehouse near by. They brought all the cars home and parked them in the garden area down below the carriage house and pool. I couldn't believe the number of 1971 HEMI Chargers and Superbees !@#$%^&*()! WOW! There were all differant colors all lined up for us to see. There were a couple of Daytonas, a 1970 pink Charger R/T, an AAR Cuda and a Challenger T/A. There were a couple of 1971 Plmouth HEMI cars and some special 1971 Chargers also! I have attached some pictures of the cars I took. There is also a picture of Tim from Saturday at the Talladega museum holding the Nascar speed record sign board for a picture with Buddy Baker! Enjoy!
2004 AERO WARRIOR REUNION PART 3!
On Saturday we went to the Talladega museum for a panaromic photo of our cars outside the museum. Another highlight of the weekend was all of the AERO drivers that were in attendance for us including Buddy Baker, Neil Castles, Charlie Glotzbach and Bobby Allison !@#$%^&*(! They had a panel discussion about our cars and racing back then! What a discussion it was with alot of inside information from those who were there! I have attached some pictures of me and the drivers that Linda took for me.
2004 AERO WARRIOR REUNION FINAL THOUGHTS!
I don't have any pictures of the parade lap or raceday? I think we were using our new DVD recorder for that. The raceday was hot for October and we spent some time during cautions cooloing off under the grandstands. I have attached one picture that I took of Linda standing between two Daytonas. They were lined up this way for the parade lap. The significance of the photo is that we own two Daytonas with those color combinations. That day we discussed how we could have our own cars in a picture like that. We also discussed how we should get one of them done before the next AERO WARRIOR REUNION in Talladega! Well as you all know we got the B5 Daytona done and had it down there for the 2009 AERO WARRIOR REUNION! THANKS LINDA!! THANKS TROY ANGELLY!!
Quote from: Mopar John on February 22, 2010, 05:11:31 PM
2004 AERO WARRIOR REUNION PART 2!
Man,, this was my 1st AeroWarriors-of-any-kind event and it was GREAT !!!!!
2004
Late in 2004 we decided to upgrade the front of the shop area. The shop is real nice but it looked like they poured extra cement in small spots each time they had leftover when building the house. It wasn't very big and every time you would wash a car you were in mud by the time you were done! We hired a concrete guy who broke up the old stuff and poured a new 56 foot wide by 24 foot deep pad angled away from the shop with a grated drain. This looked better and works great with the hose out there!
Quote from: Mopar John on February 23, 2010, 10:14:57 AM
2004
Late in 2004 we decided to upgrade the front of the shop area. The shop is real nice but it looked like they poured extra cement in small spots each time they had leftover when building the house. It wasn't very big and every time you would wash a car you were in mud by the time you were done! We hired a concrete guy who broke up the old stuff and poured a new 56 foot wide by 24 foot deep pad angled away from the shop with a grated drain. This looked better and works great with the hose out there!
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2005
GOOOOOOODD! VS BAAAAAAAAADD!
I will set the scene for you. It is August 20th 2005 and we are at the last points meet at Route 66 Raceway for the year. I wasn't having a real good year because I was tinkering with the car too much! I was trying to get it to run 10 seconds flat when it was warm out. I was so far out in the points race I decided to run the Mopar Nationals. I normally wouldn't take the chance of putting extra runs on the car if I was near the top ten and had a chance to go to the ET finals in Indy. The week before we won two rounds at the Nats and broke out in the third round with a 10.255 on a 10.26 dial! Linda couldn't get the DVD recorder to work properly at the nats and was bummed because we did so well there! Back to Route 66 on August 20th. Linda has the DVD recorder working and is going to record my racing! It takes 7 round wins on a normal points meet to win the event. Round 1 I have a good light and the opponet breaks out! Round 2 I have another good light and run closer to the dial in! Round 3 we both red light but I'm the quicker car and win! Round 4 I'm running a real fast 9.70 car and I have a decent light and he breaks out trying to catch me! We are now down to 5 cars in PRO ET! My ex racing buddy who had an affair with my ex wife has been coming up the other side of the ladder and some of the friends that took his side were with him. I had Keith who was already out helping me cool the car down and fuel it between rounds. He was also helping put me in the water box the same each time so there would be no errors made! We'll my ex buddy draws the bye run and I have to race to advance! I have to race another real fast 9.50 car! I have a great light and he has a real bad light and never catches me and another win!! Now we are down to 3 cars and I draw the bye into the final @#$%^&*()#$%^&*()!! WOW!! Round 6 I use it as a time trial and go last and watch the other run and my old buddy wins!! Now it's time for an all Mopar final round 7 the GOOOOOD VS the BAAAAAD! This run is the last run of the day and the last run for the points meet season!! Most all the top 20 teams are hanging around to see how the points shake out and who will get to go to the NHRA DIVISION 3 ET FINALS in Indy! Everbody is up by the track for this one knowing our history! Here we go another fast 9.76 car that has run 4 9.76's in a row and me dialed in at 10.10. I need to mention here that he was running according to the NHRA rulebook an illegal pnuematic throttle controler! The track was aware of him and a couple of others but never did anything about it! Maybe that's where all the consistancy comes in? I had run as quick as 10.116 and knew I had to take this one all the way out the back door to have a chance! I stick to my routine and light the first set of yellow bulbs first. I'm revving the engine waiting as soon as he lights his first yellow I move up and light my second yellow! As soon as he lights his second yellow I set the transbrake and foot to the floor!! The christmas tree activates and I do my job and I leave first and it's greeeeeen!!! He drops the hammer as soon as I leave and red lights -.022!@#$%^&*()#$%^&*()!!! I see his red light on the tree as I pass it and I look up and the win lights across the top of my scoreboard are on!@#%&*!! I stayed in it and ran a respectable 10.120 on my 10.10 and he throws away another 9.766! WOW!! Linda had been DVD recording all the runs but when he red lighted her and Keith started yelling and jumping up and down. Needless to say she didn't get much of the run after the red light. I came back up the return road in front of the stands with everyone cheering, clapping and giving me the thumbs up on the way to the winners circle! This was probably one of the best days of my life!!!!!!!!
You will notice that I didn't mention my ex wife in this. That's because they got married right after our divorce was final in the summer of 2001. Which means I had to endure them for the remainder of the 1999 season along with the 2000 and 2001 seasons! From my previous chapters you all know I did well in spite of the distractions. We'll they had bought a motorcycle so that they could ride with my boys who both had motorcycles trying to drum up some type of bond with them. We'll in the fall of 2001 I get a call late one night from my ex buddys dad asking me to find the 3 children and inform them that his son and their mother had been involved in a horrific motorcycle accident! I did my part and notified the children who had mixed reactions but I did what was asked of me! Later I found out that at dark that evening they turned on a yellow and were hit by a car that went around an oncoming van that was also turning on the yellow! She was hurt and he got all busted up and almost died!! Shortly after he was somewhat recovered they split up! He came back to racing in 2004 and made his car his life!
I have attached a picture of the winning time slip, the winners circle with Linda, Keith and my trusty GTX. I almost forgot, a picture of the $1,000.00 check! WOW!
That's a great story John.
Hope you took Linda out for a nice dinner with that $grand..... :2thumbs:
2006
When we were all racing together and I won some money I would invite everyone out for a victory dinner!
On this day I think we went to Al's steakhouse in Joliet for dinner. I savored this victory all winter! Also over the winter I upgraded the GTX from a steel 5 point rollbar to a 10 point chrome moly cage! I thought it was going to add weight but that old steel bar was so heavy that the GTX actually weighed 30lbs less when it was done! I was really happy because I am always looking at the weight of the car. Less weight=faster times! I also applied for and received an NHRA drivers license good down to 8.50! The car was dipping into the 9's and I wanted to be legal!
During the summer I was told about a small body shop nearby that did a lot of work on Mopars for years. I stopped by and had a long talk with the owner and found out that he had a pair of NOS 1970 Road Runner quarter panels!!
We agreed on a price and I bought them for the Superbird restoration. When I went to pick them up the drivers side was for a 1970 Road Runner and the one behind it was a passengers side for a 1970 Coronet !@#$%^&*()!!
We'll I bought the drivers side and started looking for a passengers side. I always wanted to redo the quarters and trunk floor that I put on years back. The summer went by quick with racing and working on the cars. On labor day weekend Linda and I went to the US NATIONALS in Indy for the HEMI CHALLENGE! This is the big 1968 HEMI A Body super stock race of the year! I have some pictures of us and the cars! ENJOY!
2006
More pictures from the HEMI CHALLENGE at the US NATIONALS!
2006
Another surprise at the US NATIONALS was a tribute to Ronny Sox! They had a presentation to his wife and then a parade of all the cars he drove! From what I understand, most of the cars in the pictures were real cars that he had driven. Most were restored! They went down the pit road right in front of the grandstands! What a sight to see! The sound of all the engines was great also!
more awesome pictures & memorys John .... thanks for sharing :coolgleamA: :cheers: :popcrn:
The HEMI Challenge is soooo cool. I was there in '09 for it.
2007 IT'S LINDA'S TURN!
When Linda went through her divorce she left a real nice 1995 Mustang GT convertible behind! She had also owned a 1976 Mustang II COBRA like Farrah Fawcett drove in Charlies Angles tv series. When we got together I told her some day that I would get her a Mustang and it would be a real nice one!! We'll in 2005 we went to the Chicago Auto Show and in the Ford display was a concept of a SHELBY GT 500 MUSTANG! I told her that is what I'm going to get you! She thought I was dreaming! A friend of hers who always had to have what she had ran out and bought a 2005 Mustang GT! She bought it from Jordan Ford in Mishawaka, Indiana. Jordan ford was an SVT high performance dealer so we went and talked to her friends salesman about the SHELBY GT 500. The salesman knew less than we did but took our information and promised to keep in contact! We didn't hear much and again went to the Chicago auto show in February 2006. This time they had a early production prototype car on display with a little more information! We went back to Jordan Ford and couldn't find our salesman? We were told he quit under bad terms and took his contact list with him@#$%^&*()!! I asked if I could speak to a SVT salesman and was introduced. We told him we wanted to buy a 2007 SHELBY GT 500! We also told him it would be a straight up deal no trades! He told us that we were #2 on his list and they were supposed to get 3 of them! We felt pretty good and kept in contact. About May of 2006 we quit getting responses back? I made some calls and our salesman told us that they were getting 3 SHELBY'S and they were all sold!@#$%^&*(!! I asked how could this happen when we were #2 on "THE LIST"? He then says you were #2 on my list. I respond and say I thought you were the SVT salesman? We'll truth be known they were all "SVT SALESMEN"!@#$%^&*()!! He then informed me that the general manager had promised 2 to very good buisness customers and then the 3rd was going to someone on one of the lists. They still had our info but chances were that we wouldn't get a SHELBY from them!!! I went into panic mode because I had promised Linda one of these cars! I found out that each SVT dealer would get 3 and all the other dealers were going to get 1! Call after call was the same answer, all were sold!@#$%^&*!! Then a ray of hope! I called Barile Ford nearby in Valparaiso, Indiana and talked to a saleslady and asked if they were getting a SHELBY GT 500? She said she would ask her sales manager and call me back. When she called back she told me that they wern't getting 1? I wait till the next morning a Wednesday and asked to speak with the general manager of the dealership. They put me in touch with a nice guy named Bob. I asked him if they were getting a SHELBY GT 500? He told me that they were getting 1! I asked him if it was sold? He replied no!! I asked him if my wife could order it and he said yes@#$%^&*()!! WOW!! I'm saved!! We made an appointment for Friday morning two days later when we would both be off. We went in and Linda and I were introduced to the same sales manager that thought they wern't getting one. His name is Ron Earl and he owns a 1995 Mustang Cobra R one of only 250 made and it's still new with only 100 miles on it! We had a fantastic experience ordering this SHELBY! Linda got to hit the send button on the computer! The next day an article came out in the local paper and the dealership had a lot of calls about the SHELBY GT 500! We were very lucky to get that car! Ron kept all the paperwork as he got it. We were well informed of the order and build of the car. Attached are pictures of the 2006 Chicago Auto Show Shelby and Linda!
2007 LINDA GETS HER SHELBY GT 500!
Finally 9 months later on January 17th 2007 Linda gets the call that her car is in!#$%^&*(!! We drove right over to see it that evening. It was the middle of the winter and cold and snowing! They put it inside for us to look at it and take pictures! We worked out a deal where they would display the car on the showroom for 2 weeks in exchange for all the dealer materials that they got for the SHELBY GT 500!! Linda got all the salesman training materials, signs, brochures and even the giant banner that was up on the showroom. Ron also kept every bit that came off the car and even bought her Hot Wheels 1:18 diecast to go with the car! It's up on the supercharger in the car show picture! They showed it for 2 weeks and I got to drive it home! Linda has put 500 miles on it in 2007, 300 miles in 2008 and 600 miles in 2009 for a total of 1,400 miles. It is mint condition just like when she got it. The only modifications she has let me do to the SHELBY is to add an autographed dash plaque from Carroll Shelby, louvers on the quarter windows and floor mats with red Cobras!
This car is awesome to drive and I usually get told that I'm going way to FAAAAASSSST (100mph+)! I have attached a picture of Linda with her new SHELBY GT 500. I always ask everyone what is the deepest red? Lindas SHELBY, her coat or her rosy cheeks? There is also a picture of it on display, another with Ron and the last is with Linda at her first car show! I am jealous that Linda has this car orderd by her the way she wanted it and has the ability to keep it very nice for a very long time! All my stuff has been brought back from the dead! I hope you Mopar guys understand this part of the story!
Quote from: Mopar John on February 26, 2010, 11:16:06 AM
I hope you Mopar guys understand this part of the story!
Tell Linda I am jealous. I've always liked Mustangs. My first car was a '66, and this one, the '85 GT I owned for almost 20 years. I had to let it go when I bought the 7 car. The '85 was cheap to run and fun to drive. I hope to get a newer Mustang someday.
that is so cool she got to buy her dream car new and you have all that documentation now . It makes it worth all that much more . great sorry :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
I hope you Mopar guys understand this part of the story!
:2thumbs: I can totally understand and appreciate this part of the story. Mopars are #1 with me and Mustangs are a close second. I'm planning on buying a GT500 next year and my Mopar friends can't understand :rotz: why I would want the Mustang over the new Challenger. Congradulations, her car looks great in red.
2007 SPRING!
In the fall of 2006 I took the GTX to US41 in Morocco for some post season testing and tuning! I had made some more changes to the car to make it faster! On that day it ran a 9.800 it's quickest ever! I pulled that motor out over the winter and was having a new race motor built! The fast end of the PRO ET bracket at ROUTE 66 RACEWAY was now 9.50! There were quite a few cars getting into the 9's now! I had been buying parts since the late 90's to build my BIG MOTOR! One of the first things I bought was a INDY CYLINDER HEAD 500 cubic inch rotating assembly! It was already balanced and was a complete kit! It had a Mopar stroker crank, Manley rods, Wisco pistons, bearings, rings etc. The next year or so I purchased a set of SR heads and had Nick Wilson from COMPUFLOW port them. I ended up using those heads on my 9.800 motor. I then bought another set of INDY SR's from a good friend Tom Stevens. Tom had a 1963 or 64 Plymouth that was real fast! I bought a lot of his parts as he made his car faster! Tom passed in late summer 2008 to kidney cancer! I have a picture of Tom and his car attached. His widow is still trying to sell this car for $50,000. It's mint and faaaaaasssssst!! It's run 9.18 in the quarter! It has the best of evrything including a RAY BARTON wedge engine! I had also bought a roller cam with good bearings, timing chain and roller lifters. So it's time to get this all put together. I read about a MOPAR machine shop in Morton, Illinois that had state of the art CNC machines to do the top of the block and the bottom of the block. The name was CHENOWETH SPEED AND MACHINE! Their prices were reasonable and only about 3 hours away. I decided to give them a call and go over what I wanted to do. All sounded good and I started to gather all the parts for this 500 cu engine! I kept most of it in the house in the pantry! When I got to the new stroker crankshaft box I noticed a rodent hole in it!@#$%^&*()! This can't be good I thought. We'll I opened the box and some mice had made a condo out of my crankshaft!#$%^&*(! This would prove to be sickning and costly! When Mike Chenoweth checked the crank it had mouse urine on some of the journals and they were pitted! They couldn't be polished out and the brand new crank had to be turned and rebalanced! It gets worse! Mike calls me about a day later and informs me that the mice also got into the box of new pistons and pissed on them too! They all had to be machined! So, I didn't really save anything putting this stuff away a little at a time! In addition the Mopar engine technology was improving rapidly. If I were to do it all over again, I would start a savings acount and go have one built all new. Mike and his dad Dale got the new motor done and ready as promised for the 2007 season. We broke the motor in and went to test and tune! The car was quite a bit faster! It was now running in the 9.60's!! It was so fast that I would have to shift while the front wheels were still in the air and not look at the tach until it was time to shift to 3rd! What a ruuuusssshhhh! I decided to mean up the graphics on the car and made the lime of BITTER LIME to look more like JAWS! ENJOY!
2007 SUMMER!
So here we are in the summer of 2007 and Talladega is only 2 years away! We need to get the blue Daytona restored somewhere? I decided from all of the horror stories about restoration shops, that the one I choose had to be within a days driving range! I also wanted a shop that had already done an award winning restoration on a Daytona. I didn't want to pay them to learn on my car! Names like Roger Gibson, Nostalgia Lane, Vance Cummings were on my list. Then I received the March 2007 issue of Mopar Collectors Guide. On the cover was a small photo of Steve Fox's black Daytona with a red stripe. I couldn't wait and read that story first! While I'm reading this the name Paul Jacobs is mentioned. It stated that he and his partner Troy Angelly had restored this Daytona. This is the same Paul Jacobs that I bought all the Superbird detailing parts from a few years back!! I called Paul and it was that same familiar voice on the phone. I talked with him about Steves Daytona and asked if he would be interested in restoring another one? He said that I would need to bring the Daytona to his shop with all the extra parts. He would have his partner Troy Angelly who does the body and paint there also. So we agreed on a day that I was off and the plan was in motion!@#$%^&*()! WOW! After 28 years I might be getting the B5 blue Daytona restored! I have attached some pictures of the magazine article that got this restoration in motion!!
Steve Fox's Daytona is awesome,I was fortunate to get to work on that car (a little bit).I sure made my day when PJ called. Brent
Mopar John I noticed you had 70 Coronets on one of your post a banged up in the front blue RT conv.Always wanted one of those 1of 237 RT ragtops . I had 70 RT/s Super Bees .And kept my original low mile survivor N code 383 4bl burnt orange on burnt orange buckets console AC Disc brakes car.All the snow and ice melted and it was still there .Still hunting for GM aero car pictures I got
(http://i975.photobucket.com/albums/ae240/Wingcars69/101_1557.jpg)
nascarxx29,
Yes, That was a blue 1970 Coronet R/T convertible. I bought it as a parts car but turned out to be
too nice and too rare to part out. I sold it to someone in Illinois in the early 80's!
AUGUST 2007
Linda and I met a guy who transported our NOS passengers side quarter panel to the Mopar Nationals! We now had both NOS quarter panels for the Superbird! After the Nationals I cleaned all the extra parts out of the B5 Daytona. I also had to sort through a bunch of parts because I had put parts in both cars. I changed my mind and was restoring the B5 car and the R4 car had a lot of the nicer parts. One day I pulled the Daytona out of the shop and was going to dust it off and wash it. I just get started and I get a call from Doug Croxford ( petty bird on this site ) who was passing through the area. He wanted to know if I would be home. I said yes and you'll never believe what I'm doing! He asked what? I said I have the B5 Daytona out and am cleaning it up! Doug stopped by and decided to stick around and help! We blew the car off and then washed it! It had years worth of storage dust and overspray on it. We also cleaned out the inside and trunk! We had to clean overspray off all the glass and trim! Doug also got the idea to use Gunk and degrease the engine! We spent several hours working on it! When we got done Doug took some pictures from that day. Later he e-mailed them to me and I am going to attach them to this post! I did not tell Doug why I was cleaning the car up. You can imagine his surprise about a year and a half later at Talladega! Thanks for the help and pictures Doug!
Wow,, she's come a long way !!!! :2thumbs:
What a great starting point.........
Troy
Quote from: Mopar John on March 03, 2010, 01:35:01 PM
AUGUST 2007
Linda and I met a guy who transported our NOS passengers side quarter panel to the Mopar Nationals! We now had both NOS quarter panels for the Superbird! After the Nationals I cleaned all the extra parts out of the B5 Daytona. I also had to sort through a bunch of parts because I had put parts in both cars. I changed my mind and was restoring the B5 car and the R4 car had a lot of the nicer parts. One day I pulled the Daytona out of the shop and was going to dust it off and wash it. I just get started and I get a call from Doug Croxford ( petty bird on this site ) who was passing through the area. He wanted to know if I would be home. I said yes and you'll never believe what I'm doing! He asked what? I said I have the B5 Daytona out and am cleaning it up! Doug stopped by and decided to stick around and help! We blew the car off and then washed it! It had years worth of storage dust and overspray on it. We also cleaned out the inside and trunk! We had to clean overspray off all the glass and trim! Doug also got the idea to use Gunk and degrease the engine! We spent several hours working on it! When we got done Doug took some pictures from that day. Later he e-mailed them to me and I am going to attach them to this post! I did not tell Doug why I was cleaning the car up. You can imagine his surprise about a year and a half later at Talladega! Thanks for the help and pictures Doug!
I'm not proud i would have driven that baby just like that
I just had the oppritunity to meet Doug at this most recent reunion,he seems to be a super guy.I mentioned to him that during the 04 reunion my son had his picture made in front of the Sonic on the wing of Dave Kanofsky's Daytona.Doug promptly told me that if I had his picture made on one last time then it HAD to be done this time and off we go to his Superbird.
Quote from: moparstuart on March 03, 2010, 02:26:11 PM
Quote from: Mopar John on March 03, 2010, 01:35:01 PM
AUGUST 2007
Linda and I met a guy who transported our NOS passengers side quarter panel to the Mopar Nationals! We now had both NOS quarter panels for the Superbird! After the Nationals I cleaned all the extra parts out of the B5 Daytona. I also had to sort through a bunch of parts because I had put parts in both cars. I changed my mind and was restoring the B5 car and the R4 car had a lot of the nicer parts. One day I pulled the Daytona out of the shop and was going to dust it off and wash it. I just get started and I get a call from Doug Croxford ( petty bird on this site ) who was passing through the area. He wanted to know if I would be home. I said yes and you'll never believe what I'm doing! He asked what? I said I have the B5 Daytona out and am cleaning it up! Doug stopped by and decided to stick around and help! We blew the car off and then washed it! It had years worth of storage dust and overspray on it. We also cleaned out the inside and trunk! We had to clean overspray off all the glass and trim! Doug also got the idea to use Gunk and degrease the engine! We spent several hours working on it! When we got done Doug took some pictures from that day. Later he e-mailed them to me and I am going to attach them to this post! I did not tell Doug why I was cleaning the car up. You can imagine his surprise about a year and a half later at Talladega! Thanks for the help and pictures Doug!
I'm not proud i would have driven that baby just like that
That's what I told him too! I thought it was totally cool to have the 'barn fresh' car.
That day I figured I'd call and see if he was around, stop by for a half hour or so, and head home. I ended up being there past dark and arrived DEAD at home!
Mom grabbed me at the Wellborns' house to go look at a stand-up info sign next to a B5 Daytona. I had ZERO clue about the car as John had told me nothing. I started reading. B5 car, fresh resto, one of blah blah blah, this and that (it was boilerplate wing car stuff I knew by heart) so I skimmed down quickly. I got to "Owners: John and Linda Borzych" and nearly fell over. I couldn't believe he hadn't let anything slip since I'd stopped by!
I went by last month as I was in Chicago and heading home, and told him I wanted to make sure he wasn't trying to pull anything over on me again :lol:
Quote from: pettybird on March 03, 2010, 04:31:20 PM
Quote from: moparstuart on March 03, 2010, 02:26:11 PM
Quote from: Mopar John on March 03, 2010, 01:35:01 PM
AUGUST 2007
Linda and I met a guy who transported our NOS passengers side quarter panel to the Mopar Nationals! We now had both NOS quarter panels for the Superbird! After the Nationals I cleaned all the extra parts out of the B5 Daytona. I also had to sort through a bunch of parts because I had put parts in both cars. I changed my mind and was restoring the B5 car and the R4 car had a lot of the nicer parts. One day I pulled the Daytona out of the shop and was going to dust it off and wash it. I just get started and I get a call from Doug Croxford ( petty bird on this site ) who was passing through the area. He wanted to know if I would be home. I said yes and you'll never believe what I'm doing! He asked what? I said I have the B5 Daytona out and am cleaning it up! Doug stopped by and decided to stick around and help! We blew the car off and then washed it! It had years worth of storage dust and overspray on it. We also cleaned out the inside and trunk! We had to clean overspray off all the glass and trim! Doug also got the idea to use Gunk and degrease the engine! We spent several hours working on it! When we got done Doug took some pictures from that day. Later he e-mailed them to me and I am going to attach them to this post! I did not tell Doug why I was cleaning the car up. You can imagine his surprise about a year and a half later at Talladega! Thanks for the help and pictures Doug!
I'm not proud i would have driven that baby just like that
That's what I told him too! I thought it was totally cool to have the 'barn fresh' car.
That day I figured I'd call and see if he was around, stop by for a half hour or so, and head home. I ended up being there past dark and arrived DEAD at home!
Mom grabbed me at the Wellborns' house to go look at a stand-up info sign next to a B5 Daytona. I had ZERO clue about the car as John had told me nothing. I started reading. B5 car, fresh resto, one of blah blah blah, this and that (it was boilerplate wing car stuff I knew by heart) so I skimmed down quickly. I got to "Owners: John and Linda Borzych" and nearly fell over. I couldn't believe he hadn't let anything slip since I'd stopped by!
I went by last month as I was in Chicago and heading home, and told him I wanted to make sure he wasn't trying to pull anything over on me again :lol:
:smilielol: :smilielol: great story
Yes! pettybird is keeping a close eye on me now! While I'm on pettybird he pointed out something in Talladega that he felt was wrong on the Daytona. With his own picture I will verify that is the way it left Creative Industries! Doug came up to me and said that he thought that the ballast resistor was installed wrong! If you go back and look at his engine compartment picture you will see the same original ballast resistor mounted in the wrong hole. It still has the Creative Industries overspray on it! There was also a shadow behind it. I will mention here that the B5 Daytona had a lot more overspray under the hood than the R4 Daytona? Back to the ballast resistor, we decided to put it back the way it left creative! There will be a few more things to raise controversy along the way! These cars were not all built the same!!!
Hey great stuff John!
Look at your passenger side valve cover. Does this look familiar?
Jim,
It looks like the same guy put the numbers on the valve covers! If you look close in the picture there is a #5 on the front of the drivers side valve cover!
Quote from: Mopar John on March 03, 2010, 07:01:42 PM
Jim,
It looks like the same guy put the numbers on the valve covers! If you look close in the picture there is a #5 on the front of the drivers side valve cover!
It looks bang on! I thought I saw something on the other side!
AUGUST 2007 CONTINUED!
So it's the big day I have the B5 Daytona and all my extra parts loaded in our box trailer for the trip to Paul Jacobs Restorations! We agreed to this date and were to be there right after lunch! Paul was also having his partner Troy Angelly who does all the body and paint work meet us there! So Linda and I leave early that morning for Evansville, Indiana! Indiana is a long state when you travel from the very top to the very bottom! We arrive at the Jacobs shop and everyone is there and waiting! My emotions are going 100mph! Troy Angelly also brought his wife Eli who almost looked like she could be Lindas younger sister! We all hit it off well and it was time to look at our Daytona! I opened the trailer and dug out all the extra parts and laid them out. While I was unhooking the Daytona Paul and Troy were looking over the extra parts. Some of the parts were Daytona specific and some were NOS! Then we all pushed the Daytona out on the driveway. I would call the Daytona a 24,000 mile survivor that had been stored poorly outside over the years. But it also was very original in many aspects! Original engine, transmission, rearend, interior and paint! I opened both doors the trunklid and hood for Paul and Troy to look! I knew something was up when they both got out cameras and started taking detail pictures all over the Daytona! Here are the good things that happened, they agreed to restore the Daytona and the estimate was very fair based on what I had heard of other top shelf restorations. The bad is that a lot of the parts I bought were incorrect !@#$%^&*^&*(! For example I had bought some NOS sidemarker reflectors that were wrong! My NOS ones were of the 2 part section and the correct ones for a Daytona were the 4 part section. I have attached a picture of the 2 types side by side. Many of the Daytonas at Talladega had the wrong easier to find 2 section reflectors on them! I had also bought the wrong back up lights! There are about 5 differant kinds! We had a thread about them a while back on this site. The exhaust system that I bought through the parts department at KOELLER DODGE back in the 80's was all wrong except some very correct early exhaust tips! Paul and Troy sorted the parts for me and I knew what was good for the restoration and what would end up being sold. We took a tour of Pauls shop and saw a 1968 HEMI GTX convertable being assembled. By the way that car won OE GOLD at the 2009 Mopar Nationals! I think it also won best of show! Paul also had a red Cuda that had just come back from Troys with all the body and paint work done! I could not believe the quality of the body work and the paint was outstanding! Linda and I were both blown away! So then Linda and I discuss this very expensive venture and she agrees to get the Daytona restored!
!@#$%^&*()_! WOW!!! I then ask Paul where he wanted the Daytona parked? He kind of chuckled and informed me that both shops were full and they had a waiting list!@#$%^&*(! I then informed them that we needed to have the Daytona done by October of 2009 for the 40th AERO WARRIORS REUNION! They told me that it was possible! WOW!! We'll we loaded the Daytona and the parts back up for the long ride home! Paul said they would call a couple of month's ahead of when they would be rady for the Daytona. I started selling the wrong parts and looking for any NOS to make the restoration better! I was focusing on the outside of the car. The reason being was as soon as Troy painted it, the rest of the Daytona better live up to that standard! Now the long wait begins!
Ive seen very few armest daytonas .I know of a silver one.I also had a T/A challenger with that seat combo .Notice a challenger in your garage
Quote from: nascarxx29 on March 04, 2010, 11:42:47 AM
Ive seen very few armest daytonas .I know of a silver one.I also had a T/A challenger with that seat combo .Notice a challenger in your garage
For a long time I thought I had the only Daytona with column shift and center armrest. But I think there was a picture on this site of another. This may be the silver one you refer to. Yes, In my garage at the time of the picture was a 1970 Dodge Challenger. I was helping a friend with some body work. Also pictured is an adult go kart and one of my favorite toys a HUSTLER Z 72" 28hp zero turn mower. We have about 4 acres to mow and on that mower it's a blast! When I was doing research on buying it I was looking for the manufacturer website at work. When I put in HUSTLER SUPER Z some things came up that almost got me kicked off the computor at work!@#$%^&*()!
nascarxx29,
I am happy to say that I mastered the quote transfer from you to my last post! I will know how to work this sooner or later! I still get messed up when I try to use the same picture a second time! It locks up my whole post and I have to go back and rename the picture and start over!@#$%^&*(!
The black red car was on ebay and was a orig A4 silver column car.I have its vin and other info I recorded from it.I saw it in Houston TX.It later got sold in 87 in TX .Then it came to the east coast .And I saw it again .And met the guy who had it in NJ was Pat D had owned it. and sold it to George.Who turned out to be the guy who sold my friend. Bill the white on red on daytona seen in supercars book.his name was George Harrison like the famous beatle .He had the car in a mopar magazine 80- or 90s wearing PA plates 69 WING XX29L9B402971.When George had it was black with tinted windows centerlines.And after market floor shifter.
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e67/75414/WING_CAR_ARTICLE_10.jpg)
2007/2008 PARTS SHOPPING!
This will probably be my last post for a few days! I have to get the Daytona loaded up for the display at the Indy trade show and swap meet. I hope some fellow forum members can make the trip and say hi! Since I had bought a few wrong parts, I decided to bite the bullet and buy a 1969 dealer parts book! Everyone will tell you the part they are selling fits everything just to sell it to you! EBAY has some of the best of these where it tells you it fits everything and then they have the disclaimer " CHECK YOUR PART NUMBERS FOR THE CORRECT APPICATIONS". Then they also state no returns! The book is a lifesaver! Everytime I see an ad I can look in the numerical index and see if it's there and that weeds out most of the wrong parts. If it is there I can look it up and make sure it's correct for my body style and model. I would reccomend this to anyone buying parts!
I had those those 69 70 books .But now there on a CD takes up alot less room
Quote from: nascarxx29 on March 04, 2010, 12:09:25 PM
The black red car was on ebay and was a orig A4 silver column car.I have its vin and other info I recorded from it.I saw it in Houston TX.It later got sold in 87 in TX .Then it came to the east coast .And I saw it again .And met the guy who had it in NJ was Pat D had owned it. and sold it to George.Who turned out to be the guy who sold my friend. Bill the white on red on daytona seen in supercars book.his name was George Harrison like the famous beatle .He had the car in a mopar magazine 80- or 90s wearing PA plates 69 WING XX29L9B402971.When George had it was black with tinted windows centerlines.And after market floor shifter.
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e67/75414/WING_CAR_ARTICLE_10.jpg)
We'll one of 2 is still pretty rare! I think the very plain hubcaps are seldom seen also!
Thanks for the detailed info!
I only know of 8 cars with the C21 Armrest option, and yours is the only B5/C6D combo of those. There are almost certainly more "buddy seat" Daytonas than that, but exactly how many is anyone's guess at this point. It is a very rare combination for sure.
Incidentally, I'd be interested to know what "Sequence Number" is in the top left corner your broadcast sheet. Your B5 car's VIN is right before mine and has the same SPD, but there is often a wide margin between when it was schedule for production and when it was actually built. :scratchchin:
Quote from: hemigeno on March 04, 2010, 06:05:48 PM
I only know of 8 cars with the C21 Armrest option, and yours is the only B5/C6D combo of those. There are almost certainly more "buddy seat" Daytonas than that, but exactly how many is anyone's guess at this point. It is a very rare combination for sure.
Incidentally, I'd be interested to know what "Sequence Number" is in the top left corner your broadcast sheet. Your B5 car's VIN is right before mine and has the same SPD, but there is often a wide margin between when it was schedule for production and when it was actually built. :scratchchin:
My B5 Daytonas sequence number is 108075. What is the sequence number of yours?
Hey John - I also thought the same as you on those side markers but I did some digging....as in looking at my own cars and all the later cars had a mix of both styles. I asked Frank B. and a few others and they confirmed the same thing. Chrysler was about the cheapest of the Big 3 and never threw anything away....Government law or not - they are going to use up their parts!
Quote from: Mopar John on March 03, 2010, 07:01:42 PM
Jim,
It looks like the same guy put the numbers on the valve covers! If you look close in the picture there is a #5 on the front of the drivers side valve cover!
Ahh, that's priceless..... So, both numbers on your Daytona's valve covers are on the front... Sweet... Will make life for me a little easier..... :2thumbs:
You guys rock !!!! Thanks J & J...........
John, hoping to run into you and your Daytona at the Indy swap meet at some point this weekend. Have a few basketball games to attend first and a house to look at but I plan on being there to look the Daytona over.
Side note here but one of the 5 Daytona's my dad had was a buddy seat car as well. R4 red with red interior, white tail stripe car.
Quote from: maxwellwedge on March 04, 2010, 07:30:24 PM
Hey John - I also thought the same as you on those side markers but I did some digging....as in looking at my own cars and all the later cars had a mix of both styles. I asked Frank B. and a few others and they confirmed the same thing. Chrysler was about the cheapest of the Big 3 and never threw anything away....Government law or not - they are going to use up their parts!
Jim,
Both of my Daytonas the R4 built on June 5th and the B5 built on June 9th had the original 4 section type all the way around! Out of the twenty Daytonas at Talladega only 3 had the 4 section type?? I was lucky to buy some assembly line NOS from a guy up in Michigan!
Quote from: 69_500 on March 04, 2010, 09:33:11 PM
John, hoping to run into you and your Daytona at the Indy swap meet at some point this weekend. Have a few basketball games to attend first and a house to look at but I plan on being there to look the Daytona over.
Side note here but one of the 5 Daytona's my dad had was a buddy seat car as well. R4 red with red interior, white tail stripe car.
69_500,
R4 red with a red interior is rare and with a buddy seat! WOW! I can't believe all the Daytonas with buddy seats! That is the second thing I look for after the W11 hubcaps! The Daytona is loaded for the trip down early in the morning! See you this weekend!
Here is another known buddy seat car
I did find a stack of documentation for a 440 X9 car from shipping memorandum to window sticker and copy of the buildsheet.That was sent to me from a friend wanting to buy this car alongtime back .When the car was in Alabama to photograph and inspect XX29L9B [[[[[[405187]]]]]].Its was paid for by Virginia national bank.Sold to P D Welch & Company Selma Rd Orange VA .And optioned as {A36 performance axle package [B51 power brakes] [C21 center front seat with armrest] [D34Torque flite trans [D56 3.55 axle ratio] [E86 440] [R11 am radio] [S77 PS] [V88 stripe delete [W21 road wheels] [Y39 special order] [T82 whitewalls] 409 destination charge
Quote earlier by Hemi Geno I know of another one that is probably completely or very nearly restored by now. They were just starting the resto this time last year.
440/727, X9 exterior & interior, Red stripe. [[[[405187]]]]]], owned by Tom A
Another Column car Barry Washington has buildsheet for
XX29L9B402978 - Daytona broadcast sheet
Yep, that's the black Daytona I almost bought....I think the seller was at 26k, and I was at 23k ! I should have bought it! Flew down to Alabama, and everything.
Quote from: Mopar John on March 04, 2010, 06:37:23 PM
My B5 Daytonas sequence number is 108075. What is the sequence number of yours?
Mine's 106768... fairly close, but it highlights the point that even though our cars are sequential VINs, it appears that they were 1,307 cars apart on the actual assembly line. Andrew T.'s 410772 (yes Dave, it's your old car) has a sequence number only 24 lower than mine even though the VINs are not super-close. Based on that car's engine assembly date of 6/11, my best guess -- and Frank Badalson's too -- is that our cars were probably built a week or more after that.
The Kanofsky's car which is only 4 digits higher than my car's VIN, 5 higher than yours, has a sequence # of 109162; over 1000 cars after yours.
:scratchchin:
Woo Hoo! Mine's a "Late Model"!
Quote from: Mopar John on March 04, 2010, 09:59:14 PM
Quote from: maxwellwedge on March 04, 2010, 07:30:24 PM
Hey John - I also thought the same as you on those side markers but I did some digging....as in looking at my own cars and all the later cars had a mix of both styles. I asked Frank B. and a few others and they confirmed the same thing. Chrysler was about the cheapest of the Big 3 and never threw anything away....Government law or not - they are going to use up their parts!
Jim,
Both of my Daytonas the R4 built on June 5th and the B5 built on June 9th had the original 4 section type all the way around! Out of the twenty Daytonas at Talladega only 3 had the 4 section type?? I was lucky to buy some assembly line NOS from a guy up in Michigan!
I checked 6 late (untouched) cars 3 Daytona's, 2 A12's and a late June built Swinger. Two had 3 of the "4 section", and the other four cars had 2 of the "4 section". Badalson's been documenting this little detail for a long time and generally sums it up like this, "Early cars are all 2 section, late cars are all over the map - any combo of 4 section and 2 section".
But, to be honest I would try and get the 4 section as you did for all 4 corners....good score for sure!
Hey Mopar John, what a fascinating read this thread/bio has been , you have sure packed a lot of car stuff in your life so far. Great reading about the dragracing as well as the Wing cars. From the little country at the bottom of the world where I have seen only 1 Daytona and 2 Superbirds and know of only 1 other.
Thanks for sharing your pictures and experiences :2thumbs:
Cheers Bob T
lot of good intresting , info on Daytonas , love reading stuff like this :yesnod: :popcrn:
Pauk Kaufmann had a column shift daytona hes from NJ .Ive worked on his current R4 daytona and furnished parts
. Paul Kaufmann, 45, of Bernardsville, New Jersey, at one point owned a [[[[[[[[[[[B5 blue Daytona with a column shift automatic]]]]]]]]]]], but at the age of 22, decided that he must have an R4 red four-speed Daytona with a black stripe. "I just didn't realize it would take over 16 years to find (it)," he said.
His R4 daytona was Francis Burleys and later Dan Andrews
http://www.hemmings.com/mus/stories/2006/06/01/hmn_buyers_guide1.html
Enjoyed reading your wingcar living history.Thanks for sharing your pictures and experiences
My story was working in a junkyard as a dismantler after school .And collected up through the
mid 80-s any make unique muscle car part rims hoods wings motors 6 packs etc etc for years that I had access to .Till the resto musclecar craze was on in later years .And turned around started selling factory correct unique parts to restorers I had in my collection.And bought and sold cars and parts from then till now .Solds cars back in the day like 67 GT 500 shelby $3000.00 car even still shows up as mine to this with the Shelby registery in Connecuit Had 71 Torino 429 drag pak detroit locker rear .And owned many makes of american muscle.And worked on various car as a side line wrenching and doing electrical wiring work mopars short comming .And wingcar judged some local shows.And got some work out of that exposure.And continue to document cars and collect info and period memorabilia ads etc.My mopar high points being exposed to neighborhood wing car by age 13.Meeting and selling parts to Steve Juliano.And Chevrolet highpoint was a wrecked corvette .I bought from a fellow local junkyard that it would be a replacement rear clip or garage couch.Never had this confirmed car was goldish color had PA license plates.And junkyard told me a guy died in this car .After I got rid of it. I heard racing legend jungle Jim liberman was killed in his corvette in PA on route 3 with his wife following in another car.I never really checked into it but could now via internet
I just googled I might have owned that car
Death
Liberman died in a head-on car accident in his 1972 Corvette street car with a bus on September 9, 1977.
I also trying to findout what became of this 67 Shelby
Theres lots of cars and historys now by the internet you can research back to the originating dealer and newspaper archive furnish the origination dealer seller ad.And even better when a board member has a recall of a cars history or past event..I emailed the ShelbyAmerican club to trace a old 67 500 Shelby bought and sold back in the day for $3000.00 I hope its alive and well after 25+ years.And they get back to me with something
INDY TRADE SHOW AND SWAP 2010!
I want to share this past weekend at the Indy Cylinder Head Trade Show and Swap. Then all will get caught up with all the other replies! Linda and I left for Indy early Friday and met up with Troy Angelly and his friend John at the motel where we were going to spend the nights over the weekend. We then followed Troy with his trailer that had a rare 1970 pink Superbee. Our Daytona and that Superbee were going to make up his display at the show! We got into the building with the trailers early and unloaded the cars. We positioned the Superbee first and then the Daytona. Troy had speacial ramps built to raise the drivers side of the car. He had hoped this would allow for better viewing of the detailed underside! There were mirrors placed all around the car to help with this also. Once the car was setup I went looking for my fellow Moparts member and fellow CMC member Scott Dowse who had an NOS Charger license lamp assembly! I couldn't find one of these while the car was being restored! I had used an NOS Coronet license lamp and a replated shield that is only used on Chargers since the license plate doesn't fold down! The correct NOS lamp had what we in the galvanizing buisness call "SPANGLE" on it. I will attach the one that we plated and the NOS one with the spangle! What a differance. Paul Jacobs who also works in partnership with Troy brought me a killer pair of front Oriflow shocks that are much better than my originals! I will put the originals on the R4 Daytona! Jeff from the forum known as rtse4spd stopped by with a pair of the straight vacum connectors that he made for me! Thanks! Other members stopping by were John Rizek 501, Dan 69_500 and Troy the site moderator. Many others stopped by to say hi! I also got to chat for a short time with Rick Smits retired center from the Indiana pacers. Rick was taking a picture of the Daytona when I walked up to him. He gave me a look like here comes another one till I informed him that he was taking a picture of my car. Things got better and I asked him if he stiil had all his Mopars? He said that he still had a few including a Hemi Superbird! I invited him to Talladega 2014! He said he wished he would have gone this time! I also have a couple of pictures of the display!
Sorry! The picture of that license lamp makes it look like the lens is cracked and the housing is rusty! I have made a second attempt at a better picture of the before lamp assembly!
Quote from: hemigeno on March 05, 2010, 09:13:26 AM
Quote from: Mopar John on March 04, 2010, 06:37:23 PM
My B5 Daytonas sequence number is 108075. What is the sequence number of yours?
Mine's 106768... fairly close, but it highlights the point that even though our cars are sequential VINs, it appears that they were 1,307 cars apart on the actual assembly line. Andrew T.'s 410772 (yes Dave, it's your old car) has a sequence number only 24 lower than mine even though the VINs are not super-close. Based on that car's engine assembly date of 6/11, my best guess -- and Frank Badalson's too -- is that our cars were probably built a week or more after that.
The Kanofsky's car which is only 4 digits higher than my car's VIN, 5 higher than yours, has a sequence # of 109162; over 1000 cars after yours.
:scratchchin:
hemigeno,
Thanks for the detailed information on the sequence numbers!
Quote from: Bob T on March 06, 2010, 04:28:28 AM
Hey Mopar John, what a fascinating read this thread/bio has been , you have sure packed a lot of car stuff in your life so far. Great reading about the dragracing as well as the Wing cars. From the little country at the bottom of the world where I have seen only 1 Daytona and 2 Superbirds and know of only 1 other.
Thanks for sharing your pictures and experiences :2thumbs:
Cheers Bob T
Bob T,
I am glad your enjoying the story! That is why I have spent the time to tell It!
Quote from: tan top on March 06, 2010, 05:35:03 AM
lot of good intresting , info on Daytonas , love reading stuff like this :yesnod: :popcrn:
Thanks! :yesnod:
Quote from: nascarxx29 on March 06, 2010, 10:58:01 AM
Pauk Kaufmann had a column shift daytona hes from NJ .Ive worked on his current R4 daytona and furnished parts
. Paul Kaufmann, 45, of Bernardsville, New Jersey, at one point owned a [[[[[[[[[[[B5 blue Daytona with a column shift automatic]]]]]]]]]]], but at the age of 22, decided that he must have an R4 red four-speed Daytona with a black stripe. "I just didn't realize it would take over 16 years to find (it)," he said.
His R4 daytona was Francis Burleys and later Dan Andrews
http://www.hemmings.com/mus/stories/2006/06/01/hmn_buyers_guide1.html
Enjoyed reading your wingcar living history.Thanks for sharing your pictures and experiences
My story was working in a junkyard as a dismantler after school .And collected up through the
mid 80-s any make unique muscle car part rims hoods wings motors 6 packs etc etc for years that I had access to .Till the resto musclecar craze was on in later years .And turned around started selling factory correct unique parts to restorers I had in my collection.And bought and sold cars and parts from then till now .Solds cars back in the day like 67 GT 500 shelby $3000.00 car even still shows up as mine to this with the Shelby registery in Connecuit Had 71 Torino 429 drag pak detroit locker rear .And owned many makes of american muscle.And worked on various car as a side line wrenching and doing electrical wiring work mopars short comming .And wingcar judged some local shows.And got some work out of that exposure.And continue to document cars and collect info and period memorabilia ads etc.My mopar high points being exposed to neighborhood wing car by age 13.Meeting and selling parts to Steve Juliano.And Chevrolet highpoint was a wrecked corvette .I bought from a fellow local junkyard that it would be a replacement rear clip or garage couch.Never had this confirmed car was goldish color had PA license plates.And junkyard told me a guy died in this car .After I got rid of it. I heard racing legend jungle Jim liberman was killed in his corvette in PA on route 3 with his wife following in another car.I never really checked into it but could now via internet
nascarxx29,
Glad you have enjoyed the story! You speak of working at a junkyard. This brings back my attempt to buy my own junkyard back in the late 70's. I had the deal all worked out but couldn't get the city to transfer the salvage yard license! The previous owner got busted buying city police cars and painting them then rolling back the spedometers! They were still angry with him and took it out on me! :brickwall:
Mopar John,
That is one beautiful Daytona! Even my wife, who isn't big on wing cars, really liked the way it looked. I have really enjoyed reading your story. Maybe someday I will make it to one of the Mopar meets up north and get to see you and your cars in person.
Mopar John I heard back from the Shelby club they sent me this on my long long sold ago 67 :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
Cc:Registrar <67registrar@saac.com> Bcc:
Sent: Tue, Mar 09, 2010 08:13 AMDownload All | 2653.doc (57KB) Hi David
I'm Nancy Mathews and my husband David is the SAAC 67 Shelby Registrar. Rick Kopec forwarded your email to him for handling.
I've attached a list of the documents we have on file for your former Shelby #2653. At this time the car is owned by a party in PA.
If you are interested in any of the documents please send a check payable to David Mathews or transfer payment to Paypal account
Thanks for your interest and support.
Sincerely
Nancy Mathews
Quote from: Black Charger on March 08, 2010, 11:16:04 PM
Mopar John,
That is one beautiful Daytona! Even my wife, who isn't big on wing cars, really liked the way it looked. I have really enjoyed reading your story. Maybe someday I will make it to one of the Mopar meets up north and get to see you and your cars in person.
I am glad you and your wife like the car! It's been a lot of hard work! My next planned show with the Daytona is the Mopar Nationals in Columbus, Ohio in August.
Quote from: nascarxx29 on March 09, 2010, 08:51:44 AM
Mopar John I heard back from the Shelby club they sent me this on my long long sold ago 67 :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
Cc:Registrar <67registrar@saac.com> Bcc:
Sent: Tue, Mar 09, 2010 08:13 AMDownload All | 2653.doc (57KB) Hi David
I'm Nancy Mathews and my husband David is the SAAC 67 Shelby Registrar. Rick Kopec forwarded your email to him for handling.
I've attached a list of the documents we have on file for your former Shelby #2653. At this time the car is owned by a party in PA.
If you are interested in any of the documents please send a check payable to David Mathews or transfer payment to Paypal account
Thanks for your interest and support.
Sincerely
Nancy Mathews
nascarxx29,
That is quite a story to find your car from that far back!
SPRING 2008!
Back to my story! Over the winter of 2007/2008 I kept buying as many NOS parts and ASSEMBLY line NOS parts as I could find! As I mentioned earlier I was focusing on the outside of the car. I found a set of parking light assemblies, antenna assembly, fender pentastar, drivers rear view mirror, trunk emblem, backup light assemblies, Charger roof emblems ( correct left and right! ), door locks, trunk lock and more! I was also back drag racing at ROUTE 66 RACEWAY in Joliet, Illinois! The car was running in the mid 9's with the Chenoweth stroker motor! One meet I noticed another 1970 B Body a Road Runner running very strong. That car had a Chenoweth decal on the back window. The next meet he was back and we were pitted across from each other. I went over and introduced myself. I met Dan Roitters who also had a Chenoweth stroker but was running the big Indy 440-1 heads in comparison to my Indy SR heads. Dan was also running a Jerico 4 speed transmission. Linda was with me along with my daughter Michelle and my granddaughter Ashley. Dan was by himself. Dan asked Michelle if she would video his time trial and then we also got lined up together. Michelle videoed the 2 1970's both running Chenoweth power deep into the 9's!! Dan ran a 9.39 and I ran a 9.61!! I have attached some pictures from that day! If you go to www.youtube.com and put acme383 in the search, a list of Dan's video's will come up! Click on the one that is titled " roadrunner vs. GTX " then click start! I hope you enjoy the run and the sound of 1,000 cubic inches of raw Mopar Power going by!!
Sweet...both cars' launch almost perfectly horizontal. I would guess being down in the 9's mean every thing is working correctly.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3RtLPWx9P8&feature=related
Some back in the day gems 1st 3rd and 4th my cars
(http://i975.photobucket.com/albums/ae240/Wingcars69/101_1621.jpg)
(http://i975.photobucket.com/albums/ae240/Wingcars69/101_1619.jpg)
(http://i975.photobucket.com/albums/ae240/Wingcars69/101_1617.jpg)
(http://i975.photobucket.com/albums/ae240/Wingcars69/101_1618.jpg)
Quote from: 472 R/T SE on March 09, 2010, 07:40:44 PM
Sweet...both cars' launch almost perfectly horizontal. I would guess being down in the 9's mean every thing is working correctly.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3RtLPWx9P8&feature=related
We'll almost everything is working perfectly? If you notice the back wheels no longer match the fronts! Over the winter I saved up and bought a new Dana 60 rearend from Moser. That new 500 cubic inch stroker was eating up 8 3/4 rears like bubblegum!! In fact after we put the new motor in and let the transbrake go on the first full hard pass the car only moved about a foot!@#$%^&*(! It ate the teeth out of the ring gear! So I go to the Dana and have some chassis work done along with mini tubbing the back wheelhouses to the frame rails. The chassis shop calls and said your car is done but your back wheels don't fit!@#$%^&*()! WHAT????!!!!! I am out of money and my wheels don't fit? To offset the weight of the new Dana I went to Wilwood rear disc brakes and my wheels didn't clear the calipers! I borrowed the wheels that were on the back of the car for the first part of the season till I could buy new matching wheels to clear the calipers! Once that was resolved all was working well!
Quote from: nascarxx29 on March 09, 2010, 09:30:24 PM
Some back in the day gems 1st 3rd and 4th my cars
(http://i975.photobucket.com/albums/ae240/Wingcars69/101_1621.jpg)
(http://i975.photobucket.com/albums/ae240/Wingcars69/101_1619.jpg)
(http://i975.photobucket.com/albums/ae240/Wingcars69/101_1617.jpg)
(http://i975.photobucket.com/albums/ae240/Wingcars69/101_1618.jpg)
Neat pictures of back in the day!! Is the Daytona the one that you still own today?
2008 CONTINUED!
I'm still waiting for "THE CALL" to bring the Daytona in for restoration! Meanwhile I'm fixing little things and doing more cleanup. I read about a 1969 Dodge Coronet 4 door that's for sale. The owner has it listed as a classic and is asking $800.00. I go and take a look and it's real rusty, hit in the rear and doesn't run! To me it's just a parts car! The guy tells me that a lot of people are interested in the car. I'm thinking that's until they get here and look at it. I tell him that it's just a parts car to me and I would give him $300.00 and remove it myself. I get a call a couple of weeks later to come and get the car! I take Linda with for the ride. All goes well and I get the car loaded and make a sharp turn out of his driveway and there is smoke coming from back there? I pull over and go back and look and my trailer axle had rusted and broke!@#$%^&*()! The top of the tire was rubbing the inside of the fender! Linda says what are you going to do now? I told her that I was going to jack up the trailer and break the wheel off! She gave me one of those I can't believe this looks! I broke the wheel off and repositioned the car and limped it home on 3 wheels!@#$%^&*()! I got her home and left it parked for quite a while. Then one day I'm out looking under the hood and I look at the fender tag and realize that it was built on the same day as the R4 Daytona! WOW!
Now I start to look at it a lot closer! About this time I was researching from the broadcast sheet what wheels and tires belonged on the B5 Daytona. I found out it was built with 14" steel wheels, F70 X 14 white striped tires and a W11 hubcap option? As it turns out that $300.00 parts car had a set of 5 date coded steel wheels and real nice left and right lug nuts!! Then I had someone from Moparts send me a picture of what my W11 hubcaps should look like. Wouldn't you know it, I had a set of used ones in the basement! The next chance I got I switched all the wheels, tires and hubcaps and now the Daytona looked the way it had been built! I also got some other important parts off that car! I waited till the B5 Daytona was restored and finished parting it out!
Here is a couple of pictures of the 1969 Coronet 4 door being parted!
2008 NATIONAL MEET
For 2008 the AERO WARRIOR national meet was held in the St. Louis area. It was hosted by Rich Bolzenis, Sherri Evans and Gene Lewis. The first day of the meet there were only a handfull of wing cars but by the weekend there was a great turnout! The hosts had a very busy schedule for us and on Wednesday we visited Gateway Classic Mustang which was great for Linda and the Ford owners present. Next we went to Meramec Caverns for a tour followed by lunch at Friscos in Cuba, Missouri. In the afternoon we went to Bob's Gasoline alley that had a huge display of gas station memorablia, gas pumps and die cast cars! He had several special rooms including one done up as an old diner. I will attach some pictures from this first day!
Here's a few more from that first day! The Croxfords and us stopped by a shop that had the worlds biggest rocking chair! We got some pictures and checked out the shop! The girls also got on the wings for a picture!
2008 AERO MEET CONTINUED!
On Thursday we went to the St. Louis museum of transportation! If your into railroad rolling stock this is the place for you! We had a couple more cars show up! We went to Ted Drews for lunch famous for custard in that area. Linda and I wondered off to LIONS CHOICE for some roast beef sandwiches before our custard. This place was highly reccomended by moparstuart. We really liked it and have been back there a couple of times on our way to Arizona and back! After the custard we went to the ROUTE 66 STATE PARK MUSEUM! A real nice display and we also had some one tell about the history of the area. That evening we gathered at Rich and Judy Bolzenius for a cookout and conversation. Attached are some pictures from that day!
MORE 2008 MEET!
On Friday Linda and I made our way to the Gateway Track to set up our swap space. Then on Saturday and Sunday we had our Superbird on display with the club and were busy in our swap space! Thanks to pettybird we were able to make it on the tail end of the track AERO laps! Thanks! Doug The meet had something for everyone and was well planned!
Quote from: Mopar John on March 11, 2010, 04:32:42 PM
2008 NATIONAL MEET
For 2008 the AERO CAR national meet was held in the St. Louis area. It was hosted by Rich Bolzenis, Sherri Evans and Gene Lewis. The first day of the meet there were only a handfull of wing cars but by the weekend there was a great turnout! The hosts had a very busy schedule for us and on Wednesday we visited Gateway Classic Mustang which was great for Linda and the Ford owners present. Next we went to Meramec Caverns for a tour followed by lunch at Friscos in Cuba, Missouri. In the afternoon we went to Bob's Gasoline alley that had a huge display of gas station memorablia, gas pumps and die cast cars! He had several special rooms including one done up as an old diner. I will attach some pictures from this first day!
The long hair kid in the red shirt with his back to you ( next to brent evans ) in the marshall motors salina shirt is my son quintin . I had forgotten about eating lunch at Lions choice( best roast beef and auju sandwiches) before ted drews custard. Tons more picture I took here
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,49212.0.html
moparstuart,
It was great to meet you and your boys at the 2008 AERO MEET! I also love the color of your Birdable! The meet was small enough the first few days to spend time with friends I hadn't seen in a while!
Quote from: Mopar John on March 12, 2010, 10:05:21 AM
moparstuart,
It was great to meet you and your boys at the 2008 AERO MEET! I also love the color of your Birdable! The meet was small enough the first few days to spend time with friends I hadn't seen in a while!
I just wish my car would have been running and not on the back of waynes roll back . It is always great seeing old friends and meeting new ones like you and linda at wing meets . :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
THE CALL!
Just after the 2008 AERO MEET I get a call from Troy Angelly! He tells me he has some good news and some bad news? I always like to get the bad news over with first! He informed me that his partner Paul Jacobs had gotten a promotion at work and had to scale back the number of cars he was restoring! I thought to myself that I'm in trouble now for 2009 TALLADEGA! Then Troy informs me that because of that he was going to do some total restorations to keep his shop going and his guys busy! He then told me that he would like to help me out and finish my Daytona in time for TALLADEGA!! !@#$%^&*()! WOW!! I am happy now!! He also said that he had talked with Paul and he would consult on the restoration when needed and help finding parts! So I tell him that I would like to move forward! The call was advance of the opening in the shop. We discussed our schedules and agreed on a date to drop the Daytona and parts off at his shop. So on November 15th 2008 Linda and I took the B5 Daytona and all the parts down to Troy Angelly Restorations! This would give Troy just a liitle more than 11 months to totally restore our Daytona in time for 2009 TALLADEGA! I have attached a few pictures of the front of the Daytona the day we dropped it off at his shop. The drivers side of the nose had been flattened by a junkyard payloader and the front fenders were very rusty. Because of the poor prep at Creative they rusted from the inside out! The replacement original Daytona hood is already on the car! ENJOY!
Here are some pictures from the back of our Daytona also on the day we dropped it off! Both quarters had rust way down low from sitting on the ground in the salvage yard! The taillight panel is all bent up from when it was pried open at the salvage yard to steal the wing! The replacment original wing and trunklid are already on the car! Like I said earlier I took him a complete car! But it was in really rough shape!
:coolgleamA: good pictures :drool5: & story ! wonder what Daytona the deck lid came off :scratchchin: looks Y4 :scratchchin: :popcrn:
Quote from: tan top on March 12, 2010, 01:53:28 PM
:coolgleamA: good pictures :drool5: & story ! wonder what Daytona the deck lid came off :scratchchin: looks Y4 :scratchchin: :popcrn:
I bought the decklid, wing and hood from Monroe Schellinger many years ago! The decklid and wing came from the same car. According to Monroe both Daytonas were parted out!
NOS ASSEMBLY LINE OIL FILTER!
Yesterday I was off and made a road trip to visit another Mopar enthusiast! He had possesion of the NOS assembly line oil filter that I bought from Paul Jacobs for my Daytona. It was a 2 1/2 hour drive each way and I spent more time there than I planned. We discussed NOS parts that we had purchased and all the poor reproductions that we had come across! Many other items on restoration were discussed also. All I have pictured is the filter. Soon I will post more about the Daytona restoration!
Thanks for the info those goldline filters I found a few but never bought one $$$ .This filter was on my original daytona
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(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b229/Annie75414/daytonaorig2.jpg)
Quote from: nascarxx29 on March 14, 2010, 10:24:19 AM
Thanks for the info those goldline filters I found a few but never bought one $$$ .This filter was on my original daytona
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(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b229/Annie75414/daytonaorig2.jpg)
To clarify, are you saying the filter pictured was the one that your original Daytona was built with?
Can anyone else add to original filters found on Daytonas?
John I'm under the impression that the one you listed in your photo would be the correct one if your going after an assembly line appearance to the car. The one in Daves photo I'm pretty sure is just a Mopar replacement filter.
Yup - The blue and white is an over the counter unit - still early though. I have a half a case of those but Canadian - they have "Chryco" on them.
Quote from: Mopar John on March 12, 2010, 10:40:16 PM
Quote from: tan top on March 12, 2010, 01:53:28 PM
:coolgleamA: good pictures :drool5: & story ! wonder what Daytona the deck lid came off :scratchchin: looks Y4 :scratchchin: :popcrn:
I bought the decklid, wing and hood from Monroe Schellinger many years ago! The decklid and wing came from the same car. According to Monroe both Daytonas were parted out!
Hey, that's my hood! :lol:
The goldline filter was a assembly line piece .The first time the car got serviced at dealer they had replacements like the one my car had same car also had original fanbelts car was parked and off the road since mid 70-s
(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b229/Annie75414/daytonabelts.jpg)
Quote from: 69_500 on March 14, 2010, 07:09:04 PM
John I'm under the impression that the one you listed in your photo would be the correct one if your going after an assembly line appearance to the car. The one in Daves photo I'm pretty sure is just a Mopar replacement filter.
Dan,
I agree with your observations!
Thanks!
Quote from: nascarxx29 on March 14, 2010, 09:43:04 PM
The goldline filter was a assembly line piece .The first time the car got serviced at dealer they had replacements like the one my car had same car also had original fanbelts car was parked and off the road since mid 70-s
(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b229/Annie75414/daytonabelts.jpg)
Dave,
Thanks for the picture of your original belts! We have a pair of the Quanta reproductions on the car for now. I have the original power steering belt as you have pictured and have the alternator belt on my want list. I am looking for a good used to match the power steering belt or an NOS one if it comes along. The Quantas are a very good reproduction of the originals! I purchased some superceded originals from my Mopar parts department and they are no longer imprinted like the originals! They have white labeling on the belts they sell now!
THE RESTORATION BEGINS!
Sorry about the long delay in between posts! I've been busy with work and putting stone down on my driveway after the spring thaw! It also took me some time to set up the pictures from the disc to something I could transfer to this site easily! As I said we dropped the Daytona off at Troy Angelly Restorations on November 15th 2008. Just before Christmas we received our first invoice and pictures. In the first few weeks the Daytona was completely taken apart! Every part was bagged and tagged! The first thing that I was really impressed with is how they were able to take this 40 year old car apart and not break any of the hardware! Right then I was beginning to feel good about our decision to have Troy do the restoration! When we discussed the restoration Troy said that he preferred to dip the body parts to remove all the old paint, sealers and in our case the rust! So I will start this venture with the body shell. I have attached pictures of it on it's way to REDI-STRIP in Evansville, Indiana!
I white chalked them to show up better for camera.I had Dave Patik at PCG borrow them for a while to copy the stamp pressed graphics.Will see if I can find any nos.Quanta Im not sure on this did them for GM restos .
Here are a couple of more pictures of it mounted on a trailer for the ride to REDI-STRIP!
Great shots........ This is going to be one cool trip......... :2thumbs:
Quote from: nascarxx29 on March 18, 2010, 10:45:19 AM
I white chalked them to show up better for camera.I had Dave Patik at PCG borrow them for a while to copy the stamp pressed graphics.Will see if I can find any nos.Quanta Im not sure on this did them for GM restos .
Dave,
Thanks for the offer to help find an NOS belt. I would settle for a very good used to match the power steering belt also!
Old post but worth a shot contacting poster M coop showed 1 of the 2 belts belt if its available or not?.Also check bradsnos.com
http://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=1495101&an=0&page=0
Did see the quantas one not bad
http://www.quantaproducts.com/prodinfo.asp?number=B-4703A
Quote from: nascarxx29 on March 18, 2010, 10:58:09 AM
Old post but worth a shot contacting poster M coop showed 1 of the 2 belts belt if its available or not?.Also check bradsnos.com
http://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=1495101&an=0&page=0
Did see the quantas one not bad
http://www.quantaproducts.com/prodinfo.asp?number=B-4703A
Dave,
You are correct! The Quantas are not bad! I have corrected my prior post about the belts! It is the new Mopar belts that have the white labeling on them not the Quantas! After I read your post I spent about an hour looking at my cars and sorting all this out. I do have the Quantas on the Daytona for now and they are a close reproduction!
Thanks!
While Troy was waiting for the body to take a bath he was busy sorting all the parts. One of the first things he did was get all the chrome to be replated sorted out. I think he sent 27 pieces to the plater on this item alone! He sent the taillight bezels, rear bumper and bumper guards, outside door handles ( my new Mopar NOS were the curved superceded ones! ), inside door handles, ash trays and vent window frames. His guys were busy working on the suspension parts, k-member and rearend housing. They did it this way so they could put the body back on the ground when it was done! I have attached some pictures of the parts going to get rechromed!
Quote from: Mopar John on March 19, 2010, 10:56:30 AM
..., outside door handles ( my new Mopar NOS were the curved superceded ones! ),...
Exactly !!! That's what I try to explain to locals here at our club meetings and such. The "NOS" door handles that are available out there are nothing more than left over NOS truck door handles from the mid-to-late 70's era. There is a difference in fit and appearance. That is why I decided to get the original outside door handles on the '68 Hemi rechromed instead of putting "new" ones on..... The rechroming was cheaper than buying NOS ones on the market and they fit noticeably better.
Troy
THE DAYTONA IS BACK FROM REDI-STRIP!!
About once a month I would leave around 7am and have lunch on the way arriving at Troy's shop just after their lunch hour. I would have all the parts I purchased sent to me and check them out first. I didn't want Troy caught in the middle of bad parts deals! So,
I would take what ever I purchased with me. Then I would check out the restoration and bring back any parts that wouldn't be used on the car. I would usually get back home between 9 and 10pm! It was a long day and a lot of driving but well worth it! Troy would keep me posted on the progress by phone or e-mail. He let me know the car was back from REDI-STRIP!! My next visit was planned soon after that!! I couldn't wait to see it minus the rust and hopefully not much else would be missing! Speaking of missing, Troy informed me when he dropped the Daytona off that Roger Gibson Restorations had also dropped off a Daytona for a dip in tank! I was worried that some parts might get mixed up !@#$%^&*()?? Troy had told me that the front fenders that we were using off the R4 Daytona were some of the best that he had seen! I decide to use my primo fenders on the B5 Daytona and use the best of my extra used fenders on the R4 Daytona. The fenders that you saw in the pictures that were originally on the B5 car will be my spares! I have attached a couple of pictures that I took on my visit and a couple from the photo album! Next, my plan is to take a small area of the body shell and show pictures of the repair process of the area. An example would be where some metal was replaced in the battery area. ENJOY!
Here are some pictures of the rechromed parts back on the Daytona! I have experienced some horror stories on the vent window chrome. Several guys have sent the vent window frame assemblies to the rechromers who would take them apart for rechroming and then send all the loose parts back!@#$%^&*! Now they are totally lost on how it goes back together and what to use. Troy had done this several times and was no issue! The taillight trim was done with what the plater called a 4 sided process! It cost a little more but at least 3 sides are visable from differant angles. The parts all came back really nice!
BATTERY TRAY AREA!
Alright! My plan is to work my way around the body shell of the car and show the problem areas and how they were repaired. I am going to start with the battery tray area. I have a picture of that area before the car was dipped. I also have one after it was dipped and all the rust removed. The next picture is of the bad area cut out and last the patch welded in. I want to make note here that Troy went out back to one of his donor cars and remove the area for the patch! So that piece is original Mopar metal!
BATTERY TRAY AREA CONTINUED!
The patch was then welded in and ground down. Next was the light coat of body filler. The filler was then sanded down and then a coat of epoxy primer was applied! At this point it looks great already! It remained this way until the entire engine bay was sanded and primered several times before the final primer was applied! I will move to another area in the engine compartment next!
I think its great you guys decide to just patch it and leave as much original sheet metal as possible . Alot of people just replace the complete inner fender .
Quote from: moparstuart on March 24, 2010, 01:35:44 PM
I think its great you guys decide to just patch it and leave as much original sheet metal as possible . Alot of people just replace the complete inner fender .
Stuart,
We tried to restore as much original as possible! Then we tried to use original off the R4 Daytona or other parts cars. We also used quite a bit of NOS also. Then last was that frightfull term reproduction parts. I have found some more NOS since Talladega and removed some of the reproduction. I also just updated my want list! I am still looking for 1 NOS muffler, 2 NOS sill plates, an NOS 727 trans dust shield, an NOS or good used alternator belt and a NOS trunkmat. :shruggy:
FIREWALL!
The firewall was really in verygood shape! There were no dents or rust holes! There was one non factory hole drilled down low on the drivers side for an aftermarket alarm system. This was the only additon to the Daytona! Troy welded the hole up! In the pictures you will see some surface rust down low where there wasn't much factory paint coverage. The REDI-STRIP bath removed the rust and a light coat of filler removed the surface pits!
Here is one more picture of the firewall hole being welded up and a shady picture of the engine compartment in epoxy primer!
WELDABLE PRIMER? HIDDEN RUST?
Today I move on to the shock towers and the suspension stops outside the inner fenders. Most of these pictures are from the passengers side which show better details but both sides had the same treatment! The first pictures show the inner fenders and then the tabs at the bottom of the shock towers. Troy has found these spots on previous cars and knows that these areas need attention. They are opened up or drilled and cleaned then rewelded! Before welding Troy uses a weldable primer! Through much development he has come up with a system that prevents rust in these places! The end result is a better structure and no loss in paintability! The front wheel openings on these cars got a lot of water in between those seams and body panels!
Here are a couple of pictures of the shock tower tabs welded with the weldable primer! By the way those are the original date coded ORIFLOW front shocks!
The last pictures for today show the back side of the suspension bracket with the hidden rust. Then another of everything cleaned up and welded back together! I would have never known to do all that if I would have done the car myself. Besides it takes special primer and welding equipment to do it right!
Was this work shown in these latest pictures done after the car had been dipped? Perhaps I do not have a very good understanding of how rust free a car is after it has been dipped. I guess in my impression of dipping a car I would not have expected to see that. :shruggy:
Quote from: Davtona on March 26, 2010, 01:01:43 PM
Was this work shown in these latest pictures done after the car had been dipped? Perhaps I do not have a very good understanding of how rust free a car is after it has been dipped. I guess in my impression of dipping a car I would not have expected to see that. :shruggy:
They didn't use an acid dip (which is what most people refer to) so remember to compare similar procedures. The process is less aggressive than acid but I'm not totally familiar with it (or with what it leaves behind).
Troy (not Troy Angelley)
Quote from: Troy on March 26, 2010, 02:47:55 PM
Troy (not Troy Angelley)
me makes 3 ( AB Troy ) :icon_smile_big:
Quote from: Davtona on March 26, 2010, 01:01:43 PM
Was this work shown in these latest pictures done after the car had been dipped? Perhaps I do not have a very good understanding of how rust free a car is after it has been dipped. I guess in my impression of dipping a car I would not have expected to see that. :shruggy:
The first 2 pictures in this series where you see the B5 blue paint and surface rust are before dipping and all the rest are after dipping! Those areas that are spot welded together are rusted up pretty tight in between there after 40 years! There is an earlier set of pictures with the car just back from REDI-STRIP! There will be more pictures of the body and these type of areas coming up. Rust is pretty strong once it gets going it's like weeds in cement or blacktop maybe worse. I've seen metal components actually pushed out or distorted from rust growing in between. Then when you take it apart there is layer upon layer in there!
found these I knew I had them
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Quote from: nascarxx29 on March 28, 2010, 11:58:08 AM
found these I knew I had them
Thanks for the Pontiac 2 + 2 shots Dave! Those bring back memories!
The next item I will share with everyone is the door pillars. The first pictures are of the extra holes for the alarm system near the dome light switches. I had Troy weld these up and finish those areas since the Daytona didn't come with them! While I'm on the alarm system, during your restoration your shop can do a lot of things to protect the identity of the parts on your car! There are some parts easily removed that are worth good money today! An example would be letters or numbers stamped in the exhuast tip brackets that ride inside the rubber part of the hanger! Never seen but proof their yours should someone steal some parts. I hate to bring this up but you need to protect your investment!
Now let's move on to where the door pillar meets the rocker. This is the area that's partially covered by the carpet and sill plates. Again I am only showing one side of the Daytona. The same work took place on both sides! The first picture shows it as dipped, next is a peak looking forward and under and last is what it looked like opened up! You don't want to leave that under there and ruin a nice job later!
Here is a shot of the area opened up. Then there is one of it prepped and the weldable primer on. The last is of it welded back together ready for finishing work!
The next area that I would like to show is the passengers compartment floorpans. We expected worse but the original pans cleaned up real nice! I will show pictures from after the carpet was removed and then after the body was dipped! Last I will show the repair work. I am glad we retained the original floor pans! The first pictures are of the gas pedal area. This area only needed a few pinholes to be welded up!
Next will be the repairs to the drivers/left floor pan.
Here is the last of the drivers/left floor pan repair and then the passengers/right floor pan repair!
Keep 'em coming........ :2thumbs:
Good stuff thanks for sharing.
looking forward to hearing about
Re: Daytona Question!
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john borzych in indiana has two column shift daytonas... i don't have the vin's, though. r4/white wing/black int and b5/white wing/b7 interior
Quote from: hemi68charger on April 01, 2010, 10:31:27 AM
Keep 'em coming........ :2thumbs:
Troy,
Will do! Some more right after this! The 255's look great on your Daytona!
Quote from: nascarxx29 on April 01, 2010, 11:12:49 AM
Good stuff thanks for sharing.
looking forward to hearing about
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john borzych in indiana has two column shift daytonas... i don't have the vin's, though. r4/white wing/black int and b5/white wing/b7 interior
Dave,
I sent you a pm!
I have shown you guys enough rust repair for a while so I'm taking a break. The next batch of photos are of the rear shelf and sail panel area. These were all in very nice shape!
This next batch of photos show the body shell upside down with the roof supports removed! Troy wanted to make sure this was all clean and sealed before they were reinstalled! There is another shot of the rear passengers compartment that was all solid and in nice shape. The last 2 photos are of the finishing work going on the front floor pans. I was starting to feel real good about the front of the Daytona and the passengers compartment at this point. By the way the time frame on this was January 2009. ENJOY!
In other current events, I passed my over 55 NHRA physical and the BITTER LIME 1970 GTX passed the tech inspection for the 2010 racing season! Our 1st test and tune is coming up Saturday April 17th followed by our 1st points meet Sunday the 18th. I removed the transmission yesterday and am taking it to my buddy Keith Long the 727 SPECIALIST to freshen it tommorrow after work! I have also sold my original Superbird nosecone to a guy in Canada that is putting an original car back together! Speaking of Superbird I just won some NOS seals for the Z brackets inside the cone to add to the front end goodies. I also bid on a pair of NOS white PLYMOUTH quarter decals but was outbid so I'm still looking for a pair to finish up the decals. I have also firmed up the slot at Angelly Restorations to take the Superbird in for it's body and paint! This all is part of the plan for TALLADEGA 2014!!!
Only 4 1/2 years and it seems like we were just there! Make plans and be there!! Don't miss another one!!
this is good stuff ! keep the pictures coming John :yesnod: :popcrn: :2thumbs:
Quote from: Mopar John on April 01, 2010, 01:53:46 PM
...plan for TALLADEGA 2014!!!
Only 4 1/2 years and it seems like we were just there! Make plans and be there!! Don't miss another one!!
Man, the sheetmetal on the car looked great, like you said, especially around the rear window. Thanks for the Kudos on the Goodyear GTII's, she drives even better !!!
Hopefully I'll be at 2014, if not with the Daytona, then my newest acquisition, the C500 that's on its very way RIGHT NOW !!!!
Troy
After working about 7 - 12's in a row I'm back!
Here are more pictures of the trunk area when it came back from REDI - STRIP!
More trunk pictures!
About this time I get a call from Troy to disuss the trunk floor! My only concern was, how are the rear frame rails?? He told me that the quarter extension area and the frame rails were pretty good and could be saved! This was great news! I expected to replace the trunk floor. I almost bought a set of 2 piece replacement trunk floor sections a few years ago but decided against it. I was afraid they would start to rust in storage so I didn't. It paid off because AMD came out with a better stamping and was 1 piece!! This would make it easier to install and more like the original! Then Troy tells me that the taillight panel and rear valance have to come off the Daytona to install the new trunk floor!@#$%&*(! While discussing this we came back to the taillight panel. Troy was going to repair the area were it had been pried and bent. He asked me if I knew where an NOS taillight panel was? I told him to start work on the trunk floor and give me a few days. I had remembered one for sale not to long before that! Troy said the labor savings on straightening the old one would offset the NOS one and also would be less repair work on the body! The original floor extensions were removed at this time to be able to repair the bottoms of the quarter panels inside and out! Here are a few more pictures of the trunk area repairs!
My last picture for today is an overhead shot of the trunk opening. My next installment will be the metal work and repairs!
more , good / intresting pictures ! John :cheers: keep them coming :yesnod: :popcrn:
More thank you keepem coming good stuff :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
The weather is getting nice here! That means 1 thing! Get the cars out! For me it's time to go fast again! If you remember at the beginning of my story I started doing this with my first car when I was 17! I am now 56! This year is my 40th year of drag racing off and on. I have run the full points program at ROUTE 66 RACEWAY since it opened in 1998! This year I had to get an EKG along with my physical in order to be licensed by the NHRA to run down into the 9's! With that out of the way I started getting the GTX ready. On Monday I traveled to Highland, Indiana to pick up my fresh race trans from my racing partner Keith Long known as the 727 SPECIALIST. I got it home and all the small parts back on it and ready to go in. I had to leave for work 3-11's this week. Tuesday morning with the front of the car on jack stands I had the trans in, in 2 hours! I could do it blinfolded! Wednesday I filled the trans with 8 quarts of fluid and changed the oil and filter. Another 10 quarts of oil! I fired it up to check for any leaks and all was good. While I had the trans out I installed a new SFI approved flex plate and a new NHRA mandated locking trans dipstick. Thursday I had to work a double! This morning I checked everthing over and washed her up! Then I went through the trailer and made sure all the race items were loaded and then last loaded the car. I still get goosebumps when I start that engine! Tommorrow is our season opening test and tune and Sunday is our first points meet. Linda and I plan to visit some of the grandkids who live over that way Saturday after the test and tune! Here are some pictures of me getting ready this morning! ENJOY!
I will be back Monday with more pictures of the Daytona restoration. The next batch will be of the quarter panel repairs. Troy wanted to do this next so he could finish the metal work inside and out before he reinstalled/ repaired the trunk floor extensions and the trunk floor. While I'm on the Daytona I did pick up a pair of NOS upper control arms recently. They are here and in great shape. We installed a very very nice pair on the Daytona but we will compare and make sure that these are not just a bit better. If all is good I will save them for the R4 Daytona.
Mopar John
John..
Hope everything goes well at the races...... :2thumbs:
This is an awesome thread. Keep the pictures coming!! :cheers:
Here's how my racing weekend went. I had ordered a pair of new 11.5 M/T slicks. I asked for them to be a matched pair. When I got them they didn't look the same and I called Mickey Thompson direct. The tech guy told me that 1 was 3 years old and the other was 2 years old and not to run them@#$%^&*((! I called the guy that I ordered them through and he ordered me a brand new pair from the factory. They didn't come in until Friday afternnon when I was already gone to work. So I had to run my spare 10" slicks and 10" wheels for this weekend. Traction turned out not to be my problem! On the first pass of the year it missed all the way down and ran a 10.49@^()%^&*! I checked and regapped all the plugs and made another pass and it ran a little better and turned a 10.25. Then I went over all the plug wires, cap and rotor. I made another pass and again ran a little better and turned a 9.96! We'll at least I'm back in the 9's! That was it for Saturday. Sunday I switched some wires and ran another 9.96! We'll it's not running right but it's consistant. It warmed up a little and ran a 9.99 on our final practice. So I dailed in a 9.99! We have 4 lanes of cars for first round and we try to spread out the Mopar guys so we don't knock each other out. We'll I ended up running another Mopar dialed in at 11.55. He left green and so did I! I chased him down but he broke out with a 11.52 and I broke out worse with a 9.87! I was sad that I lost but happy that it ran even better! Last night I ordered 8 new plugs and this morning I ordered a new plug wire set! I hope to be at full strength next Sunday! I have attached a picture of the mixed matched slicks and my dismounted old ones.
Now back to the B5 Daytona!
Last week I mentioned that I bought a pair of NOS upper control arms. I have apicture of those attached. I also bought a set of NOS front 11 X 3 brake shoes from a Moparts ad. These shoes are numbered 3004976 and are in the original 1969 dealer parts book! They are listed as replacements for the original shoes. These are the correct replacements and less superceded than the NOS 351 series we used on the car! I have attached a picture of the label for those also. The last picture is a closeup of the tail light panel and the damage from the thieves stealing the rear wing while it was in storage at the salvage yard! My next post will be on the right/passengers quarter panel repairs!
PASSENGERS/RIGHT SIDE QUARTER PANEL REPAIRS!!
Troy and I discussed the quarter panels and how to repair them. If I would have had a pair of NOS quarter skins it would have been a much more complex issue. But I didn't have NOS quarters and the panels were not real bad. So we decided to get some AMD repair panels and replace only what was neccessary! We both felt this route would be less invasive to the door opening and rear window plug area! I am glad Troy and I felt the same on all of the major decisions on this restoration. I would hate to be at odds with the guy doing my car!! This batch of pictures show the metal work on the passengers quarter panel both front and rear of the wheel opening!
Here are the rest of the pictures I have for the metal work on the passengers quarter panel!
Again i think its great your guys repaired the bad areas and left as much original sheet metal as possible :drool5: :drool5: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
Quote from: moparstuart on April 19, 2010, 11:37:18 AM
Again i think its great your guys repaired the bad areas and left as much original sheet metal as possible :drool5: :drool5: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
Thanks Stuart! The more original the better!
DRIVERS SIDE QUARTER PANEL REPAIRS!
The drivers side of the Daytona needed about the same treatment as the passengers side. There was a dent to be removed on the part being saved and metal replacement down low. This first batch of pictures is in front of the rear wheel opening.
More front of the right wheel opening and the dent repair!
The last batch of pictures for today are of the left quarter behind the wheel opening! At this point in time I was happy that the pictures were of repairs and not of rust damage!! The next batch of pictures will be of the wing washer removal and repairs to them and the inside of the quarter above them!!
Good daytona resto stuff keep it coming :2thumbs: Unrelated but saw this NOS daytona nose at a show in the 80-s $3000.00 I didnt have to spend.This place is in Indiana ever hear of this place NS1 .I know your always buying or bought NOS parts.They from around your area
(http://i975.photobucket.com/albums/ae240/Wingcars69/NOSDAYTONANOSE.jpg)
Quote from: nascarxx29 on April 21, 2010, 10:44:31 AM
Good daytona resto stuff keep it coming :2thumbs: Unrelated but saw this NOS daytona nose at a show in the 80-s $3000.00 I didnt have to spend.This place is in Indiana ever hear of this place NS1 .I know your always buying or bought NOS parts.They from around your area
(http://i975.photobucket.com/albums/ae240/Wingcars69/NOSDAYTONANOSE.jpg)
Dave,
If I don't have my wires crossed, I think this was Ron Fellwock. The NS1 parts company was located just south of FORT WAYNE, INDIANA on the east side of the state. His company now is just known as FELLWOCKS and is in EVANSVILLE, INDIANA. This is near PAUL JACOBS who is partnered with my restoration guy TROY ANGELLY. The company that stripped the Daytona REDI-STRIP is down there also! There is a great deal of Mopar activity down that way! We did buy some much needed parts from Ron for the Daytona restoration.
Thanks! John
RACING SLICKS CONTINUED!
Moday late morning I went and exchanged the mis-matched slicks for a pair of fresh ones. All went well and got them home. I dug into Linda's stash of dish soap and could not find 1 bottle of DAWN dish soap@#$%^&*! DAWN is the brand I use to soap up the insides of the slicks so I don't have to run tubes. That night I started midnights and picked up a bottle of DAWN and my 8 new spark plugs on the way to work. Then on Tuesday morning when I got home I soaped up the new slicks. Again on Wednesday when I got home I put a second coat on and laid them on the opposite side. This morning when I got home I went to mount them! The first picture is of the new slicks all soaped up and ready for mounting! The second picture is of the 12" wheel on my tire machine. I bought this at an industrial auction about 20 years ago! Man does it come in handy! The second picture shows the slick now installed on the rim. Next comes the fun part of trying to seal the beads of a new 11 1/2" slick on a 12" rim@#$%^&*()! WOW WHAT FUN!! At this point I wonder what it would be like to be an octopus with all the extra arms to hold the tire up and the air hose at the same time?? I have heard of a guy that fills the inside of the new tire with starting fluid and then lights it and explodes the tire onto the wheel @#$%^&*(!! Not for me with the Daytona in the next room! Actually I turn the wheel and slick over and walk around the outer bead and sort of get it started. Then I turn it over and put it back on the tire machine and let the weight of the slick pull down toward the other bead. I then take the air hose and start filling the slick with air. I use my free hand to snug up any area that I hear air escaping from. This whole thing took me about a half hour for both slicks! The last picture shows the slick mounted on the wheel. I use a 12" wheel to make sure all 11 1/2" of rubber are on the track at the low pressures that we run! ENJOY!
On Monday afternoon I set all the rocker arms just to make sure none had loosened up! I found a few a little loose and to my surprise I found a couple of exhaust rockers that were tight. This could have lead to some misfire if the exhaust valve didn't close all the way!! On Tuesday night at work I had a chance to gap all my new plugs and put index lines on them. I have to index the plugs with the tip on the top half of the plug or the pistons will bend the tips! I have attached a picture of a new plug with an index line ready for installation.
B5 DAYTONA WING WASHERS!
This series of pictures will be of the Dayona wing washers. The first picture is of the top of the passengers quarter panel where the wing was mounted. Remember it was off the car outside for years! The second picture is of the same quarter panel looking up from the inside with the wing washer removed. The last 2 pictures in this set are of the wing washers removed from the Daytona! There was some rust and pitting from the wing being stolen and letting rain water in @#$%^&*(!
MORE WING WASHER!
In this batch the first picture is of the trunk gutter removed. The gutter and the area was cleaned up while the wing washers were out. The second picture is of the trunk gutter welded back in using weldable primer! The last picture in this batch is another underneath shot and shows more rust that was sandwiched in a seam! There was very little that didn't come apart get cleaned and put back together on the body shell!
LAST BATCH OF WING WASHER PICTURES!
The first 2 pictures are of the washer repairs and in primer ready for reinstallation. The last 2 pictures show the wing washers welded back in with weldable primer! This portion of the body was now ready for the epoxy primer!
The next chapter will cover the original rear valance and valance corners. Also I hope to cover the trunk floor extensions and repairs.
426
Today is April 26th or 426 Lindas birthday! I will be taking her out for dinner when she gets home from work!
Quote from: Mopar John on April 26, 2010, 05:37:58 PM
426
Today is April 26th or 426 Lindas birthday! I will be taking her out for dinner when she gets home from work!
Happy Birthday to her!
Quote from: Mopar John on April 26, 2010, 05:37:58 PM
426
Today is April 26th or 426 Lindas birthday! I will be taking her out for dinner when she gets home from work!
tell her happy hemi birthday
Happy Birthday 426
Quote from: nascarxx29 on April 26, 2010, 10:42:47 PM
Happy Birthday 426
Quote from: moparstuart on April 26, 2010, 10:40:10 PM
Quote from: Mopar John on April 26, 2010, 05:37:58 PM
426
Today is April 26th or 426 Lindas birthday! I will be taking her out for dinner when she gets home from work!
tell her happy hemi birthday
Quote from: Dave Kanofsky on April 26, 2010, 10:12:47 PM
Quote from: Mopar John on April 26, 2010, 05:37:58 PM
426
Today is April 26th or 426 Lindas birthday! I will be taking her out for dinner when she gets home from work!
Happy Birthday to her!
Linda says THANKS for the birthday wishes!
REAR VALANCE AND VALANCE CORNERS
This batch of pictures will show the rear valance and corners before repairs! The rear valance was bent probably from the junkyard payloader forklift moving the cars around. There is also a dent repair that could have been done at the factory, Creative or by a previous owner? In the one picture you will see one of the corners has rust holes and needs to be replaced! ENJOY!
MORE TRUNK AREA REPAIRS
This batch of pictures show differant repairs going on while the trunk floor was out! One shows the frame rails and suspension bracing being cleaned up. Another shows the underside of the rear package shelf area. The last shows the inside of the drivers quarter panel. Troy wanted to have all this work done prior to installing the new trunk floor!
TRUNK FLOOR EXTENSIONS
The passengers side trunk floor extension was repaired and reused. Here are a couple of pictures of the repairs before it was reinstalled.
TRUNK FLOOR EXTENSIONS CONTINUED
The drivers side trunk floor extension could not be saved and was replaced by an AMD reproduction. I found a Plymouth drivers side in NOS but could not find a Dodge!@#$%^&*()_! The following pictures show where the AMD reproduction had to be modified to fit. Troy also had to attach the tabs that hold the taillight harness to the new part. There is a closeup of one tab and then an overall after they were all installed and ready! My next segment will show the pictures of the work that had to be done to the reproduction AMD trunkfloor before installation!
AMD TRUNK FLOOR PREP
With all the metal work done on the quarter panels inside and out along with the trunk floor extensions and surrounding area it was time to get the AMD trunk floor replacement ready! The first pciture is of the gas tank strap brackets being saved from the old trunk floor. The next picture shows the new floor with the weldable primer where the straps will be welded on. The last 2 pictures are of the area where the spare tire hold down bracket will go and then it welded in place. It was nice to see things going back together!
This last picture shows some of the extra work needed when using reproduction parts. There was an extra hole in the trunk floor not used on the 1969 Daytona. This hole may be used in a differant model year so they just stamp all the holes? Troy didn't want that extra hole and body plug so he welded in a patch and eliminated it! My next batch of pictures will show the new trunk floor installed and all the welding that had to be done!
looks great! where did you get the wire loom holders with the rrubber dipped ends? did you make them and then dip the ends in plastidip?
Quote from: superbirdtom on April 28, 2010, 10:15:33 AM
looks great! where did you get the wire loom holders with the rrubber dipped ends? did you make them and then dip the ends in plastidip?
Tom,
They took an original and made a pattern out of it and made the new tabs. They were then dipped and came out just like the originals. Glad you like the project!
TRUNK FLOOR INSTALLATION!
This is where I really started getting excited! The worst part of the Daytona will now be history! The first 2 pictures show down along the inside of each quarter panel. You will see the metal work is done with some primer already sprayed on. You will also see some holes pre drilled for the welding and the weldable primer already on also! The next 2 pictures show the welding and finishing work! ENJOY!
TRUNK FLOOR INSTALLATION PART 2!
Here are some more pictures of the trunk floor installation work. These pictures are more of the finishing work. The next batch of pictures will be of the sound deadner or dent protection that is applied to the inside of the quarter panels.
SOUND DEADNER/DENT PROTECTION
Here are the pictures I have of the sound deadner/dent protection that Troy sprayed on the inside of the quarter panels. These are the last I have of the trunk area for now!
more awesome pictures John :yesnod: nice work been going on there sound deadner looks real good :yesnod:
:popcrn:
Quote from: tan top on April 28, 2010, 05:22:40 PM
more awesome pictures John :yesnod: nice work been going on there sound deadner looks real good :yesnod:
:popcrn:
tan top,
Thanks for the positive comments! I want to share all the hard work and efforts that went in to this restoration! Later this morning I will continue with more!
TAILLIGHT PANEL?
The first picture in this batch will show the trunk area all finished and ready for the taillight panel! Troy has evrything prepped and the weldable primer is already on! Remember back when Troy asked me to find an NOS taillight panel? We'll I tracked down the ad and got a hold of the guy who was selling the NOS taillight panel. He still had it and we made a deal@$^&*%^%^! WOW! I was very happy and had it shipped directly to Troy's shop. I am glad I found it and it didn't hold up the progress on the Daytonas restoration! They had to remove a couple of small handling dents and attach what I call the taillight surrounds. The second picture is of the part number and dealer shipping tag. Every NOS part that was used in this restoration has been documented and pictures taken! Once it is out of the box or the numbers removed it would be very difficult to prove which parts were NOS! The third picture is of the panel as purchased and the last picture in this batch is of the taillight panel all prepped and ready to be welded to the Daytona body! ENJOY!
REAR VALANCE AND VALANCE CORNERS!
Once I saw the pictures of the old rear valance and corners it was time to look and see if I could find any NOS of those. The original valance was bent up and had dent repair holes and both corners had rust issues! I ran some wanted ads and really got good responses! The prices were all over the place! Finally I got in touch with a guy that had bought a bunch of NOS and was willing to sell me a NOS rear valance and the corners for a reasonable price!%^&*()! WOW!! I purchased them and had them shipped to TROY's shop. The first 2 pictures in this batch are a closeup of the dealer shipping tag on the valance and an overall shot. The last 2 pictures are of the wire tabs be attached to the valance.
I don't know why I haven't posted in this thread till now but, John thanks for posting all your pics with commentary. It's very exciting to watch this all come together. :2thumbs: Also, what brand/type of weld thru primer is Troy using during the resto? It looks like a copper color. All the weld thru I've seen was grey in color. I'm always looking for something better if I can find it. :D Ted
REAR VALANCE WITH CORNERS AND TAILLIGHT PANEL!!
This is where it all comes together! The first picture is of more wire tab work. The second picture is of the test fit process before final welding of all the parts! Troy was thankfull that I found the NOS corners! He had done a car with the repros and it took a lot more time during the pre welding fitting process! While I'm on Troy and the fitting process I would like to mention all the effort that was put in to all panel gaps and body lines during the restoration! I am really impressed with all the craftsmanship in this area! Thanks Troy!!The third picture is of the rear valance in primer after the wire tabs are all on! The last picture in this batch is of all the NOS rear body parts welded to the DAYTONA BODY!! I am still excited about this part!@#$%^&*()! WOW!
Quote from: 69*F5*SE on April 29, 2010, 11:20:53 AM
I don't know why I haven't posted in this thread till now but, John thanks for posting all your pics with commentary. It's very exciting to watch this all come together. :2thumbs: Also, what brand/type of weld thru primer is Troy using during the resto? It looks like a copper color. All the weld thru I've seen was grey in color. I'm always looking for something better if I can find it. :D
69*F5*SE,
Welcome aboard! I know there are many watching this post as it goes along! It seems to be building momentum! I post when I can, usually on days off! I get pm's and calls from a few that don't want to come out of the closet! Troy told me during the restoration that a lot of trial and error went in to the development of the process that he uses on his restorations. As this goes on you will see differant color primers and sealers as well. I know on the weldable primer that several products were tried before he settled on the copper colored one that had the best results. I don't know personally what product Troy used and would suggest you contact him at TROY ANGELLY RESTORATIONS to see if he wants to share that part of his process. Thanks!
Thanks John. :cheers:
WHAT DOES 2600 HORSEPOWER LOOK LIKE?
This morning I did some posting on here then it was time to get some work done. One of the things I had to do today was dig Linda's SHELBY GT500 out. It's the shortest car we have so I park it back in the shop because it's the easiest to get in there. May 1st her insurance goes from storage to full coverage and she's been dying to go for a ride since the weather got nice! So I decided that since I would have to move almost all the cars, to take some pictures while they were all out! I just added up rough numbers and came up with at least 2600 horsepower from the cars combined! What a fun day it was for me! Linda came home for lunch and my friend Greg that was over got a few pictures of us with our cars. The first picture is all MOPAR then I added the Shelby GT500! ENJOY!
MORE WELDING!
This batch of pictures shows more welding that took place on the rear of the Daytona! It was nice to see all the parts being back together again!
TRUNK LATCH SUPPORT PANEL
With the back end all welded back together it was time to reinstall some of the smaller brackets and parts. The next piece to be repaired and go back on was the trunk latch support panel. I was lucky that it didn't get all bent up when the thieves pried open the trunk lid to steal the wing! The first picture shows the support panel before repairs. It was in good shape except the flange down at the bottom! The next 2 pictures show the repair work and the last picture show it welded back into the Daytona body!
BUMPER BRACKET REINFORCEMENTS
Moving along with the reassembly was the rear bumper bracket reinforcements. They both were in very good shape and didn't take much work. The first picture shows the prep work and one side ready to be reinstalled. The next 2 pictures shows the reinforcements welded back into the Daytona body. The last picture shows the lower bumper jack storage bracket welded back in. Sorry for the long delay in posting!
LEAD REPAIRS!
Now that the trunk area had all the metal work finished it was time to work on the Daytona window plug and quarter panel seams! Along with these areas the windshield posts also had seams. These were originally filled with lead from the factory! First Troy did any grinding and welding that he felt was neccessary. This batch of pictures show those repairs. The first 2 are of the passengers side quarter panel to roof seam. The last 2 pictures show the front windshield posts.
OLD TIME CRAFTSMANSHIP!
Now it was time to restore the original leaded seams. Troy sought out an expert in this type of work. He found a retired body man in his area that was willing to come to his shop and help. He not only did some of the lead work but helped Troy learn how to do this work. The first couple of pictures show the expert doing the leaded seams and the last 2 pictures show Troy doing the work. Troy informed me that he learned enough about this that he can do these repairs in house as part of his restoration buisness! I was thankfull that Troy's efforts to duplicate the factory process worked out in this area!
BOTTOMS UP!
With all the metal work done topside it was time to get to work on the bottom of the Daytona body shell!
The rear portion of the body didn't take a whole lot of work since the trunk floor and trunk floor extensions had already been done. Here are some pictures of that area.
The bottom of the other floor pans needed some attention from surface rust pitting. The frame rails were solid but needed a lot of dent repairs to turn it into a show car. Everywhere a jack was placed or that junkyard forklift picked up the body it made some kind of dent. Truthfully, I am afraid to jack the thing up now! This batch of pictures show some of those repairs taking place. The next step will be to primer the body shell!
I got a little ahead of my self saying that the primering of the body shell would be next. I am back on pictures directly from the disc's that Troy sent me. This first batch is of the trunk bumper bracket braces, the trunk latch support and the bottom of the trunk pan. You have seen these area's previously but these are in better detail!
Next up is pictures of filler work over the metal repairs and where there was rust pitting!
More of the filler work!
More!
Finally the last batch of filler work pictures! Now the next thing up will be the first primer of the Daytona body shell!
FINALLY THE PRIMER GOES ON THE BODY SHELL!
MORE PHOTOS OF THE PRIMERED BODY SHELL!
I posted a lot of pictures yesterday so I divided them up. Today I have a few more batches of the primered body shell. At this point all the metal work was complete. All the factory spot welds were duplicated during this process and show up real well in some of the primer pictures. ENJOY!
MORE!
AND HERE IS THE LAST BATCH OF INITIAL PRIMER PICTURES!
Great series of pictures there John............... Between you and Geno, there's a plethora of '69 Charger sheetmetal pictures to reference....... :2thumbs:
Troy
Quote from: hemi68charger on May 11, 2010, 10:05:40 AM
Great series of pictures there John............... Between you and Geno, there's a plethora of '69 Charger sheetmetal pictures to reference....... :2thumbs:
Troy
THANKS TROY! The pictures will help others! In some cases a very similar process and others very differant!
MAY 2009!
Several unplanned things happened during May 2009 that would change the course of our Daytona's restoration!
The first thing that happened is I get a call from PAUL JACOBS and he wants to talk with me about going OE with the restoration? I knew he had been in contact with Troy often as a consultant on our Daytona restoration. My first question for him was " IS OUR DAYTONA WORTHY OF OE?". Pauls response was that it was for the following reasons: 1) It was numbers matching engine, trans, original rearend. 2) It had it's original fender tag and broadcast sheet. 3) The body is turning out great! 4) The amount of original parts still on the Daytona such as shocks and tierod with original broke off grease fittings! 5) The large amount of NOS parts I had found. Paul informed me that they had entered a customer car in the Mopar Nationals OE judging every year since 2006. Every year they had won OE gold and got best of show every year also except 2008. Last year was no differant with Steve Fox's 1968 HEMI GTX convertable! If you remember it was Steves Daytona that brought me to Troy and Paul to begin with! My next question was " What do I need to do?" Paul informed me that I would have to find more NOS - original parts and the cost of the restoration would go up with all the detail that would need to be done. I discussed this with Linda and I gave Paul and Troy the OK to take the Daytona OE! For his part Paul offerred his experience and some NOS parts he had stashed. Some items I remember were NOS air filter, oil filter, date coded regulator, radiator cap, engine ground wire, tune up parts, plugs, trans filler tube & stick, oil filler tube and a ton of original hardware. This asurred me that Paul really wanted this to turn out well! Paul and Troy came up with a plan to get the Daytona done for Talladega 2009 and bring it back early this summer for all the detail work and change out anything reproduction that we found in NOS or perfect original. We would then enter it in the 2010 MOPAR NATIONALS OE judging! I paid Paul for all his NOS and had him take it over to Troy's shop! While we were talking about the Mopar Nationals and the OE judjing, Paul informed me that they only judge 5 OE cars now and sometimes all 5 don't get done in time! The Judging is tough to make OE gold and they don't allow clones, rebodies or tribute cars! In fact if you are missing the original engine or trans the rest of the car has to be outstanding to make gold! The best of the OE gold gets the best of show so points are critical!
The next thing that happened in May 2009 was Doug Schellinger decided to buy the Ramo Stott #7 Superbird original Nichels chassis stock car! At the time I didn't know what he was up to and he sent me a list of NOS Daytona and Superbird parts for sale. I also noticed all his cars that were in his family for a long time were for sale. I sent him an e-mail and asked if everything was ok? He informed me that it was and hints of what he was up to. We'll we all now know what it was and I'm glad it worked out! So from Doug's list I purchased an NOS grille screen, an NOS nose to hood seal and a set of NOS rear window trim! These were all stored many years and very very hard to find in NOS. This did nothing but help the momentum of the new OE restoration goal!
In my next post will be more work on the Daytona body!
MORE FILLER WORK!
When I saw the Daytona body in primer I got all excited and thought that Troy was close to paint! We'll not exactly! The next step was to sand the body shell and fill any areas that needed it. The next 2 batches of pictures show that work being done. The one picture shows filler work where one of the previous owners had the alarm switch in the door post that was welded up.
Here are the rest of the sand and fill work!
REAR WINDOW PLUG
Next up was the filler work over the lead work around the rear window plug! The next 2 batches of pictures show that work being done! ENJOY!
Here are the last 2 pictures.
MORE PRIMER!!
With the filler work around the rear window plug all done and sanded it was time to primer again! The next batch of pictures show the Daytona body in primer again!
BLOCK SANDING THE BODY SHELL!
This next batch of pictures will show the body shell after it was block sanded!
Very nice............ Flashback to one particular '68 of mine............ :2thumbs:
Troy
some nice work been going on there ! great pictures :yesnod: :yesnod: :coolgleamA:
Quote from: hemi68charger on May 14, 2010, 10:24:08 AM
Very nice............ Flashback to one particular '68 of mine............ :2thumbs:
Troy
Quote from: tan top on May 14, 2010, 12:06:35 PM
some nice work been going on there ! great pictures :yesnod: :yesnod: :coolgleamA:
Thanks Guys!
THE DOORS!
No! I'm not talking about the rock band the doors but the doors for the Daytona! Next up was to reunite the doors with the body! The doors had been REDI - STRIPPED and all the metal work done before being reunited with the body. This first batch of pictures are some inside shots of the doors while they were still B5 blue. Overall they were in pretty good shape!
DOORS CONTINUED!
This batch shows the filler from a few dents most down low. This could have happened when the tires and wheels were off in the salvage yard. Someone could have opened the doors and hit something that was laying on the ground?
DOORS IN PRIMER!
This batch of doors show them in primer and waiting to be reunited with the body!
DOOR HINGES!
This batch of pictures show the work done to the door hinges!
THE DOORS ARE ON THE BODY!
The first 2 pictures show the drivers door and passengers door back on the Daytona body! The next picture is again of the drivers side. This door fit real well and all the body lines were great! I can't say the same for the passengers side! After lining up the door with the rocker and quarter panel there was a problem @#$%^&*()! The last picture shows how the quarter panel was off from the door on the top body line! I went back and looked at the original pictures and it was off from the factory! WOW!
PANEL ALIGNMENT
I was kind of bummed at this point that everything didn't line up. The reason being is that we were using the original quarters and doors. The first picture shows were Troy was preparing to grind out the factory weld and align the top of the quarter panel. The second picture shows this same area welded back up after the alignment. The third and forth pictures show the final alignment of this area. Troy spent a lot of time as each piece was added to make sure everything was right! It all paid off in the end, the body turned out razor straight!
Wow... That was a major snafu on MaMopar's QC team......... looks better now........... :2thumbs:
BORZYCH RACING UPDATE!
From where I left off our next points meet was Sunday April 25th. I had my new slicks on, the new wires on and the new plugs installed. I drove 75 miles unloaded the car and was instaging when it started to rain@$%^&(!
They must have looked at the number of cars in the pits and cancelled the event rather quickly@#$*(!!!
So I drive over to my daughter Michelle's who lives close by for a visit. On Sunday May 2nd it was time to try it again! All goes well and I make my first time trial and the car is still missing all the way down the track@!#$%^&*!
When my buddy Keith gets back we start going over everything plugs, plug wires, etc. We change the distributor cap and rotor, the coil, the MSD chips anything we could change we changed. It still didn't seem to run right! Well I start checking all the wires around the battery and the main positive lead comes out of the battery terminal! I try to tighten it and it won't tighten up. Upon further inspection it looks melted and then I find a small pile of melted terminal on the battery. I have attached a picture of the terminal and the melted terminal. I found a spare in the tool box and replaced the bad one. The car seemed to run better? I ran my last time trial and it didn't miss but it didn't run fast either. I ran a 10.106 and cars I normally run with were running 9.80 to 9.90? So I dialed a 10.09 for the first round and my opponet red lighted and gave me another time trial! I ran a 10.081 on a 10.09 dial!
I would have broke out if he didn't red light by .009!! So for round 2 I dialed a 10.07 and I gave my opponent another time trial by red lighting myself. He was dialed a 9.40 and I didn't want him to catch me! Well since I left early he never did! So that was it for that weekend.
BORZYCH RACING CONTINUED
I decided that since the car wasn't running very fast to order a few more parts. I ordered a new MSD cap and rotor. When they arrived I put them on and also put my good race coil back on. At this time I also removed the aluminum distributor clamp suspecting that it may have let the distributor turn when it was hot. I put the heavy duty stock steel clamp back on. Then one evening after supper I got 426 Linda to help me time the car. She likes the feel of 650HP! Well the timing was off by about 7 or 8 degrees! WOW!! So it was back to the track on Saturday May 8th and this time they decided it was too cold and too windy to race@#$%^&*)! I had to wait until Saturday May 15th for our next points meet. Linda had to work. On my first time trial I decided that the new slicks didn't look like the middle had as much wear as the outside so I raised the air pressure from 12lbs to 13lbs. I made my first time trial and the car was faaasst!! I looked at the time slip at the timeslip booth and had to look up and make sure it was my car number. I had just run a 9.628 at 138.67mph! This tied my quickest run ever on non radial slicks! I was very happy I had all my horses under me again! The next time run I went back down to 12lbs for comparison and ran a 9.561 at 137.71mph! WOW! My quickest time ever on non radials! My daughter Michelle along with my granddaughter Ashley and Michelle's boyfriends son Maxx joined me for eliminations. I decided to put a 9.55 on the car and if I wouldn't have left off when I passed my opponent I would have run a 9.558. It started to cool off and I decided to put a 9.53 on the car so I wouldn't breakout. We'll I slipped just a touch off the line and ran a 9.59 and got beat. It didn't bother me a whole lot since the car was running record numbers! Were off for about a month as the big boys come to town. I'll be back with more B5 Daytona restoration pictures in the mean time!
wow john congrats on the great runs , pretty fast for an old guy :icon_smile_big: :icon_smile_big: :icon_smile_big:
Quote from: moparstuart on May 20, 2010, 10:07:29 AM
wow john congrats on the great runs , pretty fast for an old guy :icon_smile_big: :icon_smile_big: :icon_smile_big:
Stuart,
Your only as old as you feel and when I'm driving that car I feel a lot younger! We have a couple of ideas to make it even a little faster! I may test and tune in a couple of weeks! What usually drives most guys out of the racing hobby is lack of money or they get where they can't work on them any more.
MORE BLOCK SANDING!
After a week of my favorite shift (NOT REALLY) midnights the last 2 being 12's I'm back with some more pictures! Now that the doors are on the body they have been block sanded to get everything at the same stage of prep. This batch of pictures show the doors on and now block sanded. ENJOY!
Here is another batch of the doors and body now block sanded! The next time I post will show the doors and body in primer again! Stay tuned!
ANOTHER COAT OF PRIMER!
The next 2 batches of pictures show the Daytona body and doors getting yet another coat of primer. This took place after several block sandings and some final spot putty to get everything razor straight! The body and doors then sat while the front fenders and hood were repaired. The pictures in this batch are of the drivers side, the back of the Daytona, the passengers side and last a close up of the passengers door.
ANOTHER COAT OF PRIMER CONTINUED!
This batch of pictures shows the roof repair area in primer, a close up of the drivers door, the drivers windshield pillar lead seam area and last the passengers windshield pillar lead seam area.
FRONT FENDERS!
As I stated previously, I started the hunt for the original Daytona body parts that I needed early on. This hunt included both front fenders for the B5 Daytona. From all the outside storage and poor prep work on the underside it looked like the fenders rusted from the inside out! I bought a real nice passengers fender from Monroe Schellinger early on. I wasn't so lucky on the drivers side. I think I bought 3 differant Daytona fenders and each time the last one was a little better. When I decided to go all out on the B5 Daytona I decided to use the fenders off the R4 Daytona and then put the best of what I had bought on the R4 Daytona. The fenders that came off the B5 car are now stored in my basement in case anything tragic should happen? I have attached a picture of the drivers fender from the R4 Daytona that was in real nice shape. I also have attached a picture of the passengers side fender off the R4 Daytona. This fender has some metal damage from someone trying to jack the Daytona up using a conventional bumper jack @#$%^&*(!! They bent up the lower valance and the mast of the jack put a crease in the fender! When I return the pictures will show the work being done on the fenders after they came back from REDI - STRIP!
DRIVERS FRONT FENDER!
The next few batches of pictures will show the work done on the drivers fender. The first 3 pictures show the inside of the fender already in primer!
DRIVERS FENDER CONTINUED!
Next up was to repair the mount that was at the top back by the cowl. It was slotted?
MORE DRIVERS FENDER MOUNT!
When the drivers fender was placed on the Daytona body it was obvious why the fender mount was slotted! It had been welded on in the wrong place. Troy had to remove it and reposition it in the correct location! This batch of pictures will show that work going on!
FINAL DRIVERS FENDER MOUNT!
This batch of pictures only has 2 in it. The first one shows the last of the relocated drivers mount and the other shows the drivers fender mounted for the first time to the Daytona body! When I return to the drivers fender it will be on the Daytona body with the other fender and hood!
DAYTONA PASSENGER FENDER REPAIRS!
This is the side that someone used a rear bumper jack to pick up the Daytona#$%*(! This first batch of pictures will show some of the metal repair work to that area.
PASSENGERS FENDER CONTINUED!
When I removed the fenders off the R4 Daytona I had a nut that was welded to the fender break loose. I was able to save it and used a plastic wire tie to keep it with the fender so it didn't get lost. This batch of pictures shows that part being welded back to the fender.
MORE PASSENGER FENDER REPAIRS!
This batch of pictures will show a few more repairs to the fender and some shots of the inside having primer on it!
PASSENGER FENDER HUNG ON DAYTONA BODY!
There are only 2 pictures in this batch. The first picture is the last of the inside in primer! The second picture is of the passenger side fender now hung on the Daytona body! Each step of this process was just a thrill for me after waiting all the years to get the car restored! My next post will be of the repairs to the hood!
THE DAYTONA HOOD!
As I mentioned earlier this Daytona hood was also purchased early on from Monroe Schellinger. I wanted all original Daytona pieces on my Daytonas and spent much time looking for these parts first before hunting any NOS!
This first batch of pictures shows a few rust spots on the underside that needed repaired. The B5 Daytona and the Daytona this hood came off of were both hood pad cars. I don't know if that had anything to do with the rust. It was right along the front edge of the underside hood pad?
HOOD UNDERSIDE REPAIR WORK!
This batch of pictures show removal of the bad area and metal replacement!
MORE UNDERSIDE HOOD REPAIR AND WELDING!
HOOD UNDERSIDE FINISH WORK!
This batch of pictures shows all the bad spots repaired by either metal replacement or welding up a few small pin holes. The underside is now in the metal finishing state!
HOOD UNDERSIDE IN PRIMER / HOOD INSTALLED ON DAYTONA BODY!!!
This batch of pictures will show the underside of the hood in primer and then it installed on the Daytona body! It is starting to look like a complete Daytona body! My next post will be about all the work Troy did on the alignment of all the front end parts and panel gaps! ENJOY!
Great pics John. Stellar work. :2thumbs:
:2thumbs: AWESOME WORK,thats gonna be one bu-t=ful daytona.great attention to detail man.. :notworthy:
Awesome car John, I can see that Troy does amazing work..
Thank you for documenting this, congrats!
Quote from: 69*F5*SE on May 27, 2010, 02:58:29 PM
Great pics John. Stellar work. :2thumbs:
69*F5*SE,
Thanks! Many more on the way!
Quote from: MOPAR FANATIC on May 27, 2010, 03:27:47 PM
:2thumbs: AWESOME WORK,thats gonna be one bu-t=ful daytona.great attention to detail man.. :notworthy:
MOPAR FANATIC,
Thanks! Welcome to the forum! Other great cars and pictures on this site as well! A great source of AERO INFO!
Quote from: Dan T on May 27, 2010, 10:44:02 PM
Awesome car John, I can see that Troy does amazing work..
Thank you for documenting this, congrats!
Dan T,
Thanks and your right! Troy does some amazing work! Next up is front end panel gaps!
DAYTONA FRONT FENDERS AND HOOD ALIGNMENT AND PANEL GAPS!
Today I'm going to post several batches of pictures that show all the work Troy did on the alignment and panel gaps of the Daytona fenders and hood. The first picture is of the general layout of the left fender, the hood and the cowl. The next picture is of the right fender, the hood and the cowl. The last two pictures are of the right fender to door panel gap.
LEFT FENDER TO DOOR GAP!
This batch of pictures shows the work done to get the right gap between the left fender and door!
HOOD PANEL GAP WORK RIGHT SIDE!
Some time during it's life the hood was stood up on it's back corners! This is very common and most of us learn the hard way to store a hood on one of the flat sides. This batch of pictures show the repairs done to the right rear hood corner and the gap.
HOOD PANEL GAP WORK LEFT SIDE!
This batch of pictures show repairs made to the hood left rear corner in order for the gap to be correct! This is the last of the pictures for today. The next post will have pictures of the body work on the outer part of the front fenders!
Looks good John! So many people stored hoods on the ends instead of on their sides and wreck the ends.
Do they still think it will be ready for the 'Nat's? Looks like it could be a nail-biter....been there!
The last month is when the big checks get written and the coffee cans full of money get dug up from your backyard to buy those last few NOS pieces you need from the "Jewellery Store" Been there too!!
Quote from: maxwellwedge on May 28, 2010, 05:58:44 PM
Looks good John! So many people stored hoods on the ends instead of on their sides and wreck the ends.
Do they still think it will be ready for the 'Nat's? Looks like it could be a nail-biter....been there!
The last month is when the big checks get written and the coffee cans full of money get dug up from your backyard to buy those last few NOS pieces you need from the "Jewellery Store" Been there too!!
Jim,
Yes! We will be ready for the Nats! The pictures are from about this time last year. The Daytona is the one that's in the lower left of my signature. Soon I will be taking it back to Troy's for the final details that we didn't have time for to get to Talladega. In addition Troy will be installing all the NOS we have found since then. The want list is short now but it's the stuff that doesn't come up often like a Hemi/440 muffler and a trunk mat. Thanks again for that nice NOS date coded horn relay! That really helped on the engine compartment details!
Wow,, talk about a lot of work put into sheetmetal detailing !!!! Great job Troy.......... :2thumbs:
Quote from: Mopar John on May 28, 2010, 06:37:13 PM
Quote from: maxwellwedge on May 28, 2010, 05:58:44 PM
Looks good John! So many people stored hoods on the ends instead of on their sides and wreck the ends.
Do they still think it will be ready for the 'Nat's? Looks like it could be a nail-biter....been there!
The last month is when the big checks get written and the coffee cans full of money get dug up from your backyard to buy those last few NOS pieces you need from the "Jewellery Store" Been there too!!
Jim,
Yes! We will be ready for the Nats! The pictures are from about this time last year. The Daytona is the one that's in the lower left of my signature. Soon I will be taking it back to Troy's for the final details that we didn't have time for to get to Talladega. In addition Troy will be installing all the NOS we have found since then. The want list is short now but it's the stuff that doesn't come up often like a Hemi/440 muffler and a trunk mat. Thanks again for that nice NOS date coded horn relay! That really helped on the engine compartment details!
Whew! I didn't realise those pics were older! You would have to set up camp at the shop and start using a whip! :lol:
I wish I could find the rest for you - I will put the feelers out.
Looking good John!
Quote from: hemi68charger on May 28, 2010, 06:39:29 PM
Wow,, talk about a lot of work put into sheetmetal detailing !!!! Great job Troy.......... :2thumbs:
Troy,
When I saw some of the pictures on the gap work it was like I'm really glad I'm having Troy do the restoration to our Daytona!
FRONT FENDERS OUTSIDE BODY WORK!
This batch of pictures is of the body work on the outside of the left fender. The first picture shows a dent being pulled out on the top side of the fender. The second picture shows the body filler and the third shows it sanded. The last picture shows some welding by the screen opening.
MORE FENDER BODY WORK!
This batch of pictures shows the body work being done on the outside of the right fender. The first picture shows the body filler and the second shows it sanded. The third picture shows more filler and the last picture shows it sanded again. Next up will be the outside of the hood!
4 PART OR 4 SECTION SIDEMARKER REFLECTORS?
When I finished with my last 2 posts I reviewed them to see how the pictures turned out. While doing this the amber front sidemarker reflectors caught my eye. When I first took our Daytona down to Paul Jacobs place I had laid out all the NOS we had bought for the restoration. One of the items that Paul told me were wrong were the 2 part side markers? When he told me this I didn't understand and he grabbed one and put it up next to the one on the Daytona. He informed me that late in the model year that Chrysler had switched over to the 4 part reflectors and that they were on most of the original Daytonas that he had seen. I started my hunt for the 4 part reflectors and was able to buy enough assembly line NOS to do the restoration. If you look at the left fender post pictures #2 and #3 show the 4 sections pretty good. Also if you go to the right fender post picture #4 shows the one on that side. The lower valance is still in it's original B5 paint and is being used to line up the front fenders during the body work and still had the originals on it at the time of these pictures. Due to the difficulty finding these 4 parts and the large quantity of 2 parts being available many Daytonas have been switched over!
HOOD BODY WORK OUTSIDE PANEL!
This batch of pictures will show the body work being done on the outside panel of the hood. The first three show filler being applied and sanded. The fourth picture is of a dent being removed in the hood center body line!
MORE HOOD BODY WORK!
The first two pictures in this batch show the filler being sanded. The third picture is much of the same from a left view and the fourth picture a right side view!
MORE HOOD BODY WORK AND PRIMER!
I know it seems like a lot of work but I was determined to use an original Daytona hood! This first picture in this batch is of the front fenders and hood ready for the first coat of primer! The last three pictures are differant shots of the hood and fenders just after they were primered.
FRONT END IN PRIMER!
This is the last batch of pictures for today! It has only two shots and is one from each side showing the front end in primer after it had dried! The front end has now caught up with the body and doors and everything is lined up! The next time I post will be on the metal repair work to the trunk lid!
TRUNK LID METAL REPAIRS!
Today I will post several batches of pictures showing the metal repair work being done to our original Daytona trunklid. This part was also bought from Monroe Schellinger back in the early eighties! The first batch of pictures show the problems on the underside rear lip which is a common problem area on the Charger and Daytona trunklids.
MORE TRUNKLID METAL REPAIRS!
In this batch of pictures the first one is of an area of the lip opened up. Bad things were growing in there! The next two pictures are of the lip repairs and the last is of an important number that needs to be saved!
TRUNKLID REPAIRS CONTINUED!
This batch shows a couple of pictures of the process of saving those numbers and more repairs!
MORE TRUNKLID REPAIRS!
This batch of pictures shows the lid with the weldable primer on it. It also shows the one half welded on and the other half getting ready for the same!
LAST OF LIP REPAIRS FOR TODAY!
This batch of pictures show the second half welded up and a dent being removed on the top skin! The last picture is a shot of the lip with a light coat of lead to seal everything up!
THE DECKLID IS ON THE DAYTONA BODY!
This is the final batch of pictures for today! The first two pictures show the decklid on and the body gap for each side. The last two pictures show a screwdriver being used as a guide to make sure the gaps are the same on both sides after the final adjustments. NEXT UP IS THE NOSECONE!
ROUTE 66 NHRA NATIONALS!
I thought I would give you a break from my posting for a few days! This past Saturday Linda and I went to the NHRA NATIONALS at our home track ROUTE 66 RACEWAY! We had passes for the Alan Johson Al-Anabi racing hospitality area. We had a great time watching the top fuel dragsters and funny cars along with the pro stock cars qualifying! I took a few pictures. The first one is of Linda with Larry Dixon who is the current points leader and was top qualifier for the meet. Larry went on to win on Sunday. The next picture is me next to the Al-Anabi funny car! They started it up while we were there and the nitro fumes ran us all out of there! WOW!! The next picture is me with Allen Johnson the Mopar sponsored pro stock driver who was in second place for the year going in! The last picture is of me pointing to the picture of the Mopar sponsored funny car driven by Matt Hagan. Matt won on Sunday also! Enjoy!
Looks like a fun time for all............. :2thumbs:
NOSE CONE INSIDE PICTURES!
Today I'm going to post some pictures of the inside of the nose cone. I think that most of the components are original and make good reference pictures. This first batch has a picture of the left side wire harness, the left headlight spring assembly, the left parklamp and the right headlight spring assembly.
NOSE CONE INSIDE CONTINUED!
This next batch is more of the inside of the nose cone before restoration! The first picture is of the right side wire/vacum harness. The next picture is of the left side wire/vacum harness. The last two pictures are of the right side wire harness and a close up of the part number label on the harness. We were able to save all the original wire harnesses and part number tags!
MORE INSIDE NOSE CONE!
As I continue on with pictures of the inside the nose cone, here is a picture of the under side of the nose cone to hood seal. This is important to see the hardware used to attach it to the nose and the rubber seal to the bracket. The next picture is of the vacum hoses and fittings and the headlight door actuator. The third picture is another of the wiring and vacum lines and the last in this batch is of more wiring.
MORE INSIDE NOSE CONE!
This batch of pictures show the headlight pivots and some disassembly! The first two pictures are of the right and left pivots. The third picture is of the right "Z" brace ready to be removed and the last picture is of the head light bucket assemblies out and on the shop floor with the wiring and vacum lines!
LAST OF INSIDE NOSE CONE PICTURES!
This is the last batch of pictures for today! The first picture is of the left inside nose cone upper area. The second picture is of the right side upper. The third picture is of the left inside lower and the last picture for today is of the right inside lower. ENJOY!
NOSE CONE IS BACK FROM REDI-STRIP!
After Troy removed all the components the nose cone was sent to REDI-STRIP to be dipped! When it returned the repair work started. Todays pictures will show some of the repairs! The first picture in this batch shows the dent on the left side of the cone from the inside that was made by the salvage yard payloader! The second picture shows the same area after repairs are made. The third picture is of the outside left and the fourth is of the outside left dent repairs. ENJOY!
NOSE REPAIRS CONTINUED!
The first picture in this batch is of a dent near the bottom. The second picture is of anothe dent near the bottom. The third picture is of dent repairs to those same areas. The last picture is of an area near the bottom seam on the right that needs some rust repairs!!
NOSE CONE REPAIRS CONTINUED!
This batch of pictures shows the work that was done to fix the rusted area in the right lower seam! The first picture shows the rusted area. The second picture shows the bad area cut out. The third picture shows the weldable primer inside an original area that will be saved! The last picture in this batch shows the replacement piece in place!
NOSE CONE REPAIRS CONTINUED!
This batch of pictures continues on with the right side nose lower seam repairs! The first two pictures shows the replacement piece in place. The third picture shows the ouside of the same area where there is some welding and the last shows after it is ground down and ready for the next step!
NOSE CONE REPAIRS CONTINUED!
This batch has the final two pictures of the nose seam repair. There is one from each side of the repaired area! When I continue with pictures it will be more of the nose cone repairs!
ANOTHER PIECE OF THE PUZZLE!
For some time I have been watching for NOS or good used GOODYEAR F70 X 14 white line tires to replace the repro's that are on the Daytona. If you remember when I bought the Daytona it was laying on the ground! I was lucky to buy a parts car with the correct date coded wheels. Today I bought a nice used F70 X 14 GOODYEAR tire with a good 1968 date code! I intend to switch it over as the spare for added points in judging!
Hey John,
What was the part number on the tag? The number visible below is the vendor code...
(http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=64519.0;attach=129078)
Quote from: Mopar John on June 09, 2010, 10:00:39 AM
ANOTHER PIECE OF THE PUZZLE!
For some time I have been watching for NOS or good used GOODYEAR F70 X 14 white line tires to replace the repro's that are on the Daytona. If you remember when I bought the Daytona it was laying on the ground! I was lucky to buy a parts car with the correct date coded wheels. Today I bought a nice used F70 X 14 GOODYEAR tire with a good 1968 date code! I intend to switch it over as the spare for added points in judging!
Were all Daytonas equipped with whiteline spares? The reason I ask is my Daytona, according to the 3rd owner I recently talked to, said it came with a redline. He replaced the original bad spare with a new redline on the original spare rim which is still in the car.
Quote from: hemigeno on June 09, 2010, 10:51:47 AM
Hey John,
What was the part number on the tag? The number visible below is the vendor code...
(http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=64519.0;attach=129078)
Geno,
The tag on the B5 car is way up in there where I can' get a good picture. I can not see any other numbers? So I went to the headlight harness for the R4 Daytona and it still has the tag on it also! The only number I can see on it is the same 25797! I took a couple of pictures of that tag for you. The tag is made out of something similar to scotch tape and where it is loose it's hard to tell but doesn't look like any numbers were there. Where the red overspray is above the vendor code as you call it there is no number on the other tag. I am afraid to try and remove that red overspray and ruin the tag. My 1969 dealer parts book has 3412 674 as the part number for the nose wiring. I do not see any evidence of that number on the tags.
Quote from: hemi68charger on June 09, 2010, 11:17:47 AM
[Were all Daytonas equipped with whiteline spares?
Definitely not... the spare would have matched the stripe color for the other four tires. Mine would have a redline spare, John's just happened to come with whitewalls originally.
Quote from: Mopar John on June 09, 2010, 12:12:08 PM
The tag on the B5 car is way up in there where I can' get a good picture. I can not see any other numbers? So I went to the headlight harness for the R4 Daytona and it still has the tag on it also! The only number I can see on it is the same 25797! I took a couple of pictures of that tag for you. The tag is made out of something similar to scotch tape and where it is loose it's hard to tell but doesn't look like any numbers were there. Where the red overspray is above the vendor code as you call it there is no number on the other tag. I am afraid to try and remove that red overspray and ruin the tag. My 1969 dealer parts book has 3412 674 as the part number for the nose wiring. I do not see any evidence of that number on the tags.
I am 90% sure that the part number on those harnesses is not the 3412674 number shown on the parts list. The Daytona harness started out as a "regular" 2983438 Charger harness which was modified/lengthened to work on a Daytona. A couple of years ago I saw a copy of the document which gave the instructions on how to modify the Charger harness, and I doubt they took the old part number tag off. My harness' tag had fallen off and was laying in the bottom of the nosecone. Like a dolt though, I did not take any pictures of it and do not know its whereabouts now. From my recollections though it was not a 3412 part number.
Thanks for the info, and I'd be interested to know what that tag reads if you can ever finagle getting a picture of the other side of your blue car's label. Once the latch tray is in place, it's hard to reach inside that nosecone, I know.
Quote from: hemigeno on June 09, 2010, 01:22:55 PM
Quote from: hemi68charger on June 09, 2010, 11:17:47 AM
Were all Daytonas equipped with whiteline spares?
Definitely not... the spare would have matched the stripe color for the other four tires. Mine would have a redline spare, John's just happened to come with whitewalls originally.
Gotcha... My broadcast sheet says T83, 2ply redlines..... F70x14's on W21 chromed stamped road wheels.
Thanks Geno
Geno,
Daytona nose wire harness tag part 2! On the way to work yesterday I remembered buying an NOS wire/vacum harness of EBAY. It was advertised as a Daytona/Superbird wire/vacum harness. I e-mailed the seller telling him they were diffearant and that the Superbird wire connection was near the core support and the Daytona wire connection was near the back of the battery. As with all Daytona NOS the price went high. But later the part was returned since it didn't fit the buyers Daytona. I was then able to purchase it! I dug it out this morning and took some pictures! The first picture shows the same 25797 vendor code, the second picture shows how both numbers line up on the tag, the third picture shows the part number 3571160 on the NOS Superbird wire harness and the last picture shows where that number would line up on the tag from the R4 Daytona. It would be right under the R4 overspray?
WIRE HARNESS TAG PART 3!
I knew Geno wouldn't be happy without that part number so I went and did it! I took some laquer thinner to the overspray on the wire harness tag from the R4 Daytona! It did just what I thought and was taking everything off#$%^&*! So I got out a sharp blade and slowly started scraping the R4 paint away! The attached picture are the results. I still can't see any evidence of a part number! Sorry! I will do more checking on the B5 tag in the future!
NOSE CONE IS ON THE DAYTONA BODY!
With all the metal repair work done the next thing to do was to mount the nose cone on the Daytona body! The first picture in this batch is of the nose getting the "Z" brackets bolted on. The second picture shows the nose bolted on to the body! The third and fourth pictures are left and right side views showing how everything is lining up. For the first time on everything looks very close! The next step will be to get the front valance repaired and then reassemble everything!
FRONT VALANCE!
With the body in primer and the nose hung it was time for the front valance! This batch of pictures show some of the before shots. The first is of the right inside and the second is of the left inside. Both show the backside of the front reflector brackets also. The third picture is of something unusual on the left inside? The fourth picture is of the siren mounted to the valance that was part of an old alarm system. They were afraid of someone stealing these cars back when they were new!!
FRONT VALANCE CONTINUED!
This batch of pictures will start out with another shot of that unusual area on the left side? The second picture is of the left side rear. The third picture is of a crease that had to be repaired on the bottom and the last picture is of that area on the left side from the outside? What ever it was it was covered over with bondo?
FRONT VALANCE CONTINUED!
This batch of pictures is all about that unusual spot on the left side. The first picture is an outside view with some of the bondo removed. The last three pictures shows the repair work to that same area!
FRONT VALANCE CONTINUED!
This batch of pictures show the final repairs to the front valance before it's mounted to the fenders! The first picture is of the final repairs to the spot on the left side. The second and third pictures are of repairs to the bottomand the last shows the front valance mounted to the fender. When I return the pictures will show the valance and nose on the Daytona body and finish work going on!
NOSE CONE FINISH WORK!
Today's pictures will be the last from the JULY 2009 time frame. Talladega was 3 month's away and the body was close to paint and many of the sub assemblies were ready! This first batch of pictures show Troy using his new found leading process on the nose seams. The first two pictures are of the seams on the right side of the nose. The third picture is of the left side seams. The fourth picture is of the right side of the nose in yellow etching primer over the lead repairs!
NOSE CONE FINISH WORK CONTINUED!
This batch of pictures shows more etching primer and then gray primer on the nose! The first picture is of the center down low in the etching primer. The next three pictures are of the nose in the first coat of gray primer!
NOSE CONE FINISH WORK CONTINUED!
This batch of pictures will show more of the gray primer on the nose and then some more finish work!
The first two pictures are of the gray primer on the nose from a left side and right side views. The third picture is of the nose with a skim coat of filler on the top side. The last picture is of the right side of the body getting those body lines block sanded razor sharp!
LAST BATCH OF NOSE FINISH WORK!
This is the last batch of pictures for today! The first picture shows the right side of the Daytona getting the body lines block sanded near the front of the body. The second picture shows the top of the nose block sanded after the skim coat of filler. The third picture is of the nose block sanded from the right side. The last picture is of the nose getting a second coat of filler on the left side. This is where that junkyard payloader flattened it @#$%^&*!
ENJOY!
RACING!
Due to a national event and a divisional event at ROUTE 66 our bracket program is off for about a month! I have been messing with the timing and trying to find the sweet spot? So I decided a week ago to go to OSCEOLA DRAGWAY with the drag car. The weather was cloudy and very humid! The car ran strong and as fast as a 9.61 at 138MPH! I found out that the track has a professional photographer there almost every week and takes some great action photos! I met him and he told me he took quite a few shots of my car since he hadn't seen it before! These pictures are copyrighted so I couldn't print any here. If you go to www.osceoladragway.com and click on the photos for 6-6-10 in the PRO section you will see a nice assortment from burnout to launch! They not only looked great but told me a lot about the setup on the car. I went back again last Sunday 6-13-10 to do more test and tuning and ended up in the race program for the day. I was able to run very good reaction times and consistant times. The result was a runner up finish! I was not able to contest the final due to the car being real hot! It was hot and humid and they ran one round right after another and I couldn't get it cooled down in time @#$%^&*)! There is another batch of pictures for Sunday also!
NOSE AND TRUNKLID!
I downloaded another disc of photos and the first two pictures are of the final touches on the outside of the nose cone. The last two pictures are of the trunklid now in primer after the metal work is complete!
INSIDE NOSE FILLER WORK!
This batch of pictures shows the filler work on the inside of the nose. The first is overall, the second is the left side, the third is of the right side and last is the lower area.
INSIDE NOSE FILLER WORK AND PRIMER!
The first two pictures in this batch show more of the filler work being sanded on the right lower area and center lower area. The last two pictures are of the inside of the nose in primer. The first is from the left and the second is overall!
NOSE CONE IN PRIMER!
The first two pictures of this batch show a couple more shots of the inside of the nose in primer. The last picture is of the outside in primer!
INSIDE THE NOSE IS PAINTED!
This batch of pictures is the last for today and shows more on the inside of the nose. The first two pictures show the gray primer sanded and the last picture shows the inside painted black! Next up is more block sanding of the body lines on the Daytona body!
Nice work going on there John! Awesome car! :yesnod:
Quote from: 1HotDaytona on June 18, 2010, 08:50:28 AM
Nice work going on there John! Awesome car! :yesnod:
Brian,
Thanks for the positive comment! It means a lot coming from someone who has done similar work on the same type of car.
Mopar John
GLASS! GLASS! GLASS!
Yesterday Linda and I traveled up into Michigan to pick up the glass we had polished for the B5 Daytona! Originally we were taking up the glass for both doors. The glass in the car just wasn't nice enough and I bought several pieces that I felt were better. One came from Jeff 69rtse4spd who is a fellow forum member from near Fort Wayne, Indiana about 2 hours away. So as I'm discussing the door glass with Rob on the phone I told him how the original back glass for the B5 Daytona had about a 2 1/2 inch long scratch! I also told him how we took our R4 Daytona down to the restoration shop and switched the rear windows @#$%^&*()! When I told him that the other rear window was still loose he talked me into bringing it along? When I got up to his place he informed me that the two pieces of door glass that I had picked out were some of the nicest used glass he had seen in a while! He informed me that those would be no problem to polish to perfection! Then he took a look at the rear glass and the 2 1/2 inch long scratch that was on the inside surface? I informed Rob that over the years I had stored a lot of parts for the restoration in the Daytona on the back shelf. It was scratched when I was probably moving something around back there? He told me to leave the glass and he would see if he could get it out? He wanted the B5 Daytona to have real nice glass all the way around. I had told him that the rear glass out of the R4 Daytona was better but had a couple of small scratches near the edge. These were not visable like the big scratch right in the middle of the other rear glass. So about a week ago Rob informed me that the glass was done including the original rear glass out of the B5 Daytona! He said it took a lot of work and he had to polish out around 15 inches to make it look even @#$%^&*()! WOW! When we arrived Rob had all the glass laid out and I was able to put it up to the light and check his work. WOW!! It all turned out great and I can't wait for Troy to switch it next month! I have attached a picture of the freshly polished back glass and another of the door glass. The reason I am so excited about this is that there are a lot of points for the glass in OE judging. There is one set of points for having the correct glass with proper logos and date codes and then another set of points for the condition of the glass! So thanks to Rob we should do very well in this area!
MORE BLOCK SANDING!!
This batch of pictures show more block sanding of the Daytona body! The first two are of the body on the drivers side and the last two are of the passengers side. At this point the body was real close to the final primer!
NOSE Z BRACKETS!
The next two batches of pictures show the prep work that was done to the nose Z brackets. This first batch shows both the left and right after they were stripped and had the filler work done.
NOSE Z BRACKETS CONTINUED!
This batch of pictures shows the final prep picture and the last three show the Z brackets painted black ready for assembly!
FRAME RAIL SUPPORTS!
This batch of pictures show the prep work for the frame rail supports. The first picture shows one of the supports after it had been blasted. The next three pictures shows the prep work and filler.
HEADLIGHT BRACKETS!
This batch of pictures shows the headlight brackets both front and back before any restoration work took place. There was blue overspray on the front and surface rust on the back!
HEADLIGHT BRACKETS CONTINUED!
This batch of pictures shows a headlight bracket after it had been blasted. The next two pictures show the headlight brackets and the frame rail supports painted and ready for assembly! The last picture is of the painted headlight brackets.
HEADLIGHT BUCKETS!
The next several batches of pictures will be of the headlight buckets and end plates! This first two pictures in this batch show the left and right buckets already prepped and filler applied. The third picture is of the end plates with filler applied and the last picture is of the right bucket sanded.
HEADLIGHT BUCKETS CONTINUED!
The first picture in this batch shows the left bucket sanded. The next two pictures are of the left and right headlight bucket from the outside. The last picture is of the end plates.
HEADLIGHT BUCKETS PART 3!
This batch of pictures is of the bucket end plates. The first picture is of the right end plate from the outside. The second picture is of the right end plate from the inside. The third picture is of the left end plate from the outside and the last in this batch is of the end plates painted!
HEADLIGHT BUCKETS FINAL!
The first picture in this batch shows the headlight buckets painted and ready for assembly! The second picture is of all the nose internals hanging on the rack painted and ready!! The last picture is of the NOS nose grille frame that I bought from Doug Schellinger sanded and ready for primer! This is the last of the pictures for today! ENJOY!
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Just amazing work. I would take it this type of detail and hours is becuase it's a keeper?
Quote from: 1969chargerrtse on June 22, 2010, 06:39:56 PM
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Just amazing work. I would take it this type of detail and hours is becuase it's a keeper?
1969chargerrtse,
It is definately a keeper! I have had it since 1982 and sort of created my own barn find! Originally it was going to be just an average restoration and now were going for OE restored. Thanks for the positive comment!
Mopar John
HEADLIGHT DOORS!
This batch of pictures will be about the headlight doors. The first picture shows them sanded down to the raw fiberglass. The second and third pictures show the left and right doors from the top side with filler applied and sanded. The last picture shows them in primer and ready for the next step!
HEADLIGHT DOORS AND QUARTER EXTENSIONS!
This batch of pictures has another shot of the headlight doors in primer and a couple of pictures of the quarter extensions in primer and ready also! The last picture is of the original correct date code rear bumper jack. At this point I'm thinking that there should be some pictures of blue paint soon?
BACK ON THE ROTISSORIE!!
With all the nose components ready and the body all block sanded and primed it was time to put the Daytona back on the rotissorie! The next step would be to sand the entire bottom of the body again! Then Troy did his special process to restore the factory drip marks and runs! The first picture in this batch shows the body in primer and up on it's side. The second picture is of the trunk floor ready for final primer. The third picture is of the body floor ready for primer. The last picture is of the trans tunnel area ready for primer.
DAYTONA BOTTOM CONTINUED!
This batch of pictures continues with the prep of the bottom and final primer! The first picture is of the emergency brake cable bracket area. The second picture is the bottom of one of the frame rails. The last two pictures show the final dark gray primer going on!!!! WOW!!
DAYTONA BODY BOTTOM FINAL!
This is the last batch of pictures of the Daytona body from the bottom side. The first picture is another shot of the final primer that looks to be dry at this point. The second and third pictures are close ups of the factory drips recreated by Troy! The last picture in this batch is Troys recreation of a factory runs! These recreations were based on what was found on the Daytona body when it was disassembled! ENJOY!
John.I think that I may like the restoration process as much as the finished product.Good stuff.
Troy's work is incredible. I can't wait to see this car in person!!
Quote from: jonw29 on June 23, 2010, 11:32:14 AM
John.I think that I may like the restoration process as much as the finished product.Good stuff.
jonw29,
I am enjoying this part of it also! This time there is no deadline and it's all paid for!
Quote from: Dan T on June 23, 2010, 11:28:47 PM
Troy's work is incredible. I can't wait to see this car in person!!
Dan T,
Hopefully you can make it to the Mopar Nationals in August and see our Daytona!
Thanks! Mopar John
NOSE ASSEMBLY!
This morning I downloaded over 300 pictures from a CD that was with the invoice dated 9-3-09! This work was all done by then and Talladega was less than two months away @#$%^&*()!??
This first batch of pictures show the start of the process of assembling the nose! The first picture is of the headlight door spring brackets painted. The second picture is of the headlight door stops. The third picture shows all the nose hardware restored and laid out ready for assembly ( I really liked this picture). The last picture is of the headlight bracket ready to be rivited to the headlight door.
NOSE ASSEMBLY CONTINUED!
This batch of pictures shows more of the headlight door assembly! The first three pictures show the rivits joining the headlight brackets to the doors. The last picture is of the completed door assemblies!
NOSE ASSEMBLY PART 3!
This batch of pictures show the door stops on and final nose assembly! The first picture is of the door stops on. The second and third picture show the nose assembled from the inside. The last picture shows the passengers side support going on!
NOSE ASSEMBLY FINAL!
This batch of pictures is the last of the nose assembly pictures! The first picture is of the drivers side support on. The second picture is of the completed nose assembly from the front side. The third picture is of the nose assembly from the back side and now mounted on the jig for B5 outer paint!! The last picture shows the nose assembly from the front side and masked off and ready for B5 blue paint%#^(! WOW! Notice all the work Troy put into the alignment of the headlight doors. They not only fit in the openings correctly but they also mate up with the nose surface perfectly. This is a real tough area on the wing cars. ENJOY!
OUT OF ORDER?
My intentions with this story was to keep it in order! In this large batch of pictures are some of the headlight buckets and bottom of the nose before restoration. I wanted to add them now since you would have just seen the same components ready for paint. This first batch is of the headlight bucket assemblies. The first two pictures are left and right views of the right side assembly. The third picture is of the vacum actuator and the last is of the door assembly.
BOTTOM OF NOSE BEFORE RESTORATION!
This batch of three pictures are all of the bottom of the nose before restoration! The Daytona had been moved around the salvage yard by a big payloader and also had been on the ground for a while! I have to work three doubles this weekend due to vacations! So, I will give you a break from my posting for a few days.
John,, great pics of the nose... Thanks......... :2thumbs:
ROOF BRACES!
After a couple of doubles and a twelve hour shift I finally only worked eight today! Last night I lost a bunch of time trying to get my e-mail working and again today to no avail? Now back to the Daytona. Earlier I had posted some pictures of the inside roof and all the surface rust. Troy removed the roof braces which made it easier to work on any dents in the roof and prep the underside. With the body ready it was time to get the roof braces ready and reinstall them! This batch of pictures shows some of that work. The first picture is of the roof braces as they came out of the Daytona. The second picture shows them after they have been blasted. The third picture shows them in primer and ready to be reinstalled. The next batch of pictures will show the rest!
ROOF BRACES CONTINUED!
This batch of pictures show the reinstallation of the roof braces and how it looked when done! The first two pictures show them clamped in place and the last two pictures show what the body looked like with them reinstalled! ENJOY!
BODY PREP!
The body is getting close to paint! This batch has some of the body prep work! This batch shows the work done to the trunk floor to make it look like it did from the factory!
MORE BODY PREP!
This batch has one more picture of the trunk floor work and then a picture of the trunk hinges. The last two in this batch is the start of the seam sealer! These two pictures are of the left and right sides of the cowl area! When I return it will be pictures of the rest of the seam sealer!
MORE SEAM SEALER!
Today's pictures will show the rest of the seam sealer that was applied right where the factory sealer was! This first batch shows the left and right door pillars and the left and right latch pillars!
SEAM SEALER CONTINUED!
This batch of seam sealer pictures shows the interior area from the rear and then from the front. The last two pictures in this batch show the sealer on the top of the left quarter gutter area and then the right quarter gutter area!
SEAM SEALER PART 3!
This batch of seam sealer pictures show inside the trunk of the right and left quarter / wheel house areas!
SEAM SEALER PART 4!
This batch of seam sealer pictures shows the left rear quarter corner from the outside. The second and third pictures are of the back of the quarter panels where the quarter panel extensions go. The last picture is of the seam sealer around the trunk latch panel.
SEAM SEALER FINAL!
This is the last pictures of the seam sealer! The first two pictures show the seam sealer around the left and right taillight housings. The third picture is of the outside of the hood with some light black lines for final sanding. The last picture is of the trunklid with the same treatment ready for final sanding. The next time I post it will be of some final prep before the B5 blue goes on!
awesome pictures John , love looking at this kind of thing ! thanks for posting :cheers: :popcrn:
Quote from: tan top on June 30, 2010, 05:14:40 PM
awesome pictures John , love looking at this kind of thing ! thanks for posting :cheers: :popcrn:
tan top,
You are welcome! More today!
HOOD AND TRUNKLID FINAL PREP!
When I left off yesterday the last two pictures were of the hood and trunklid top side with light black lines on them for final sanding. The first picture in this batch shows the sanding process on the hood. The second and third pictures show the hood and trunklid outer side ready for paint! The last picture is of the right fender ready from the inside!
FENDER HARDWARE PREP!
This batch of pictures show the fender hardware being prepped and tested. The first picture is of the original fender bolts. The second picture is of the fender bolt clips. The last two pictures show inner fender prep work.
FENDER HARDWARE TEST FIT!
The first two pictures in this batch show the fender hardware in place for a test fit! The third picture is of the right door inside in primer! The last picture is of the left door inside in primer!
HOOD HINGES AND HOOD BOTTOM SIDE!
This batch of pictures shows some of the final prep before paint! The first two pictures are of the original hood hinges. The third picture is of the hood underside ready for paint and the last picture is of the trunklid underside ready for paint! When I post again it will be a great move forward on the Daytona project! ENJOY!
IS IT B5 BLUE YET?? :drool5:
Well the time has come for some pictures with actual B5 blue paint on the body! This first batch of pictures shows the inside of the trunk and the inner fenders in paint!! The last picture in this batch is of the left front frame rail!
WOW!! :yesnod:
MORE B5 BLUE PAINT!
This batch of pictures show more components painted B5 blue! The first picture is of the right front frame rail. The second picture is of the passengers compartment looking in the drivers door opening. The third picture is of the left side wheel opening and the last picture is of the left rocker toward the rear!!
B5 BLUE PAINT PART 3!
In this batch of pictures are more components painted B5 blue! The first picture is again of the left rocker but toward the front of the body. The second picture is looking into the rear of the passengers compartment through the windshield. The third picture is of the right rocker toward the rear and the last picture is toward the front!
B5 BLUE PAINT PART 4 AND SOME B7 INTERIOR PAINT!
The first two pictures show the doors both painted B5 on the inside. The last two pictures again show the doors but they now have the proper B7 interior paint on the areas that will show after the door panels and upper pads are on! WOW AGAIN! At this point I can't wait till the outside is painted!
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MORE B5 BLUE PAINT?
We'll not exactly but soon. These pictures show all the work that was done to protect the areas that were already painted! This first batch shows the passengers door taped and in final primer! The second picture shows the body taped and in final primer. The third picture is of the right fender outside and then the last shows the inside! Those who were really watching the previous pictures may have spotted some of this work going on!
FINAL PAINT PREP CONTINUED!
This batch shows more final prep and taping for the outside B5 blue paint! The first picture shows the back of the nose taped and ready. The second picture is another of the body taped and ready! The third picture is of the drivers fender outside and the last picture in this batch is of the drivers door ready for paint!
FINAL PAINT PREP FOR TODAY!
This is the final batch of pictures for today and shows all the parts ready for the B5 blue paint! When I post next you will see the outside of the body and it's components in B5 blue!!
FINALLY B5 BLUE! :yesnod:
Todays pictures will show the Daytona body and body parts freshly painted B5 blue! WOW! What a great milestone this was! The first batch of pictures shows the passenger door outer, the hood outer, the passengers fender outer and the engine compartment.
B5 BLUE CONTINUED! :yesnod:
This second batch of B5 blue continues on with the drivers side fender outer, the drivers door outer, the nose assembly and the Daytona body looking at the drivers side from the rear!
B5 BLUE PART 3!
Along with the body and body parts many of the small items were painted at the same time! This batch of pictures show the various bolts, battery tray and hood hinges!
B5 BLUE PART 4!
This batch of pictures continues on with more items that were painted with the body and body parts. The first picture is of the quarter extensions and some hardware. The second picture is of that NOS grille frame now painted B5 blue! The third picture is of more hardware painted and the last picture is of the passengers side with the door and fender already installed on the Daytona body! :2thumbs:
ORGANISOL TAILLIGHT PANEL?
I don't know if I spelled organisol correctly but that it what the taillight panels were originally painted with on the Daytonas. One of the first things Troy did before he started assembling the Daytona was to paint the taillight panel with the correct organisol paint. This post only has one picture and that is of the freshly painted taillight panel. There are a lot of Daytonas that have incorrect paint on the taillight panel. Mostly because of the difficulties in trying to keep the taillight panel clean with this type of paint! This is the last picture for today!
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Quote from: Mopar John on July 07, 2010, 09:53:33 AM
ORGANISOL TAILLIGHT PANEL?
I don't know if I spelled organisol correctly but that it what the taillight panels were originally painted with on the Daytonas. One of the first things Troy did before he started assembling the Daytona was to paint the taillight panel with the correct organisol paint. This post only has one picture and that is of the freshly painted taillight panel. There are a lot of Daytonas that have incorrect paint on the taillight panel. Mostly because of the difficulties in trying to keep the taillight panel clean with this type of paint! This is the last picture for today!
My Daytona is guilty as charged... Guess they weren't really interested in "correctness to the nth-power" back in '94 when it was painted. The cleaning difficulty and the desire to drive mine a lot has me thinking of organosol and a percentage satin clear finish. This way, you'll still have the texture and dulliness of orgasonol, but as well, the clear satin for ease of wiping/cleaning....
John,
I got a few pics of your car from Indy. (OK more than a few) Thought I would share this one with ya! :cheers:
Quote from: hemi68charger on July 07, 2010, 03:26:24 PM
Quote from: Mopar John on July 07, 2010, 09:53:33 AM
ORGANISOL TAILLIGHT PANEL?
I don't know if I spelled organisol correctly but that it what the taillight panels were originally painted with on the Daytonas. One of the first things Troy did before he started assembling the Daytona was to paint the taillight panel with the correct organisol paint. This post only has one picture and that is of the freshly painted taillight panel. There are a lot of Daytonas that have incorrect paint on the taillight panel. Mostly because of the difficulties in trying to keep the taillight panel clean with this type of paint! This is the last picture for today!
My Daytona is guilty as charged... Guess they weren't really interested in "correctness to the nth-power" back in '94 when it was painted. The cleaning difficulty and the desire to drive mine a lot has me thinking of organosol and a percentage satin clear finish. This way, you'll still have the texture and dulliness of orgasonol, but as well, the clear satin for ease of wiping/cleaning....
Troy,
Keeping the original organisol clean is no fun! In fact when trying to clean the surrounding areas I find myself getting the cloth that I'm using snagged on the rough surface of the organisol @%^&*(!!
Quote from: BPTRacing on July 07, 2010, 05:04:08 PM
John,
I got a few pics of your car from Indy. (OK more than a few) Thought I would share this one with ya! :cheers:
Scott,
It was good to see you again! It seems like wherever we go a picture of 426 Linda pops up! So far most of them have her in a good mood? Next stop Mopar Nationals in August!
DOOR LATCHES AND STRIKERS BEFORE!
With the body now painted it was time for reassembly! While the body work was being done Troy had sent out a lot of parts to be replated, polished and rebuilt! Today I will share pictures of the door latches and the strikers. These were some of the first parts to go back on the body. The door hinges were on the body when it was painted and with the doors going on first the latches and strikers were next! The first two pictures go back to the fall of 2008 and show you the original door latches as they came off the doors and the bolts for the strikers. The last two pictures are from a differant day shown as assemblies right out of the doors!
DOOR LATCHES AND STRIKERS AFTER!
This batch of pictures will show you what the door latches and strikers looked like when they came back from the platers! WOW! What a differance! The first picture shows a fresh latch assembly along with the pins that have to be welded back on. The second picture shows a taped latch with the pin welded back on. The third and fourth pictures show the fresh latches ready for reassembly!
DOOR LATCHES AND STRIKERS INSTALLED!
With everything ready it was time to rehang the freshly painted doors and install the hardware! The first picture is of the strkers ready for installation. The second picture shows the striker installed on the passengers door post. The third picture shows the latch installed on the drivers door and the last picture shows the striker installed on the drivers door post. This is the last batch for today! ENJOY!
Replated latches make a huge difference on a restored car.
Side note--unless you're going for every last point like John, you don't need to disassemble the latches before plating--nothing happens to the nylon wedges at all. it's a great shortcut!
Today I only have one batch of pictures that are related to the B5 blue paint. The first three pictures show the engine compartment taped so that overspray doesn't make it's way in that area. The last picture shows the passengers fender installed on the body. Troy was carefull in the way things were painted to duplicate how this area looked when the Charger was converted to a Daytona! I have to download my biggest file of pictures yet dated 9-22-09! It was crunch time and many things were coming together. I am trying to make some order of it. Be back soon!
REAR OF DAYTONA!
Once the body and body parts were painted all the parts were organized on tables around it! This was done right in Troy's spray booth! He wasn't going to paint another car till this one was ready for Talladega! This would save time for all involved in walking back and forth to the assembly building! The rear of the Daytona came together rather quickly! This first batch of pictures show the taillight lenses and housing as removed. Then there is a couple of pictures with the taillights already installed from inside the trunk. The original lenses were polished and the original bezels were rechromed.
REAR OF DAYTONA CONTINUED!
This batch of pictures shows the quarter extensions with the gaskets ready to be bolted on. Next is a picture of the NOS taillight panel emblem and the NOS trunk lock. The last picture is of the back of the Daytona with all these parts installed! You can also see that the trunklid is painted both sides and installed! WOW!
:2thumbs: :2thumbs: Nice work .I found these silver on black license plates with 1969.I bought many years ago .But they never got on my daytona.Need them
Quote from: nascarxx29 on July 10, 2010, 04:50:12 PM
:2thumbs: :2thumbs: Nice work .I found these silver on black license plates with 1969.I bought many years ago .But they never got on my daytona.Need them
THANKS! I like to going back together pictures a lot more than the taking apart pictures!
DOOR HANDLES AND LOCKS!
With the replated door latches and strikers installed it was time for the outer door handles and the door locks. The NOS door handles that I purchased were the newer superceded ones and were flat where they mated up with the door. Rather than have something that was incorrect Troy had the original door handles replated. The door locks are correct nos. The first picture is of the outer drivers door with the door handle and lock installed. The second picture is of the inside of the drivers door. The third picture shows the NOS outside rear view mirror installed on the door. The last picture is of the inside passengers door.
DOOR HANDLES AND LOCKS CONTINUED!
The first picture in this batch is another of the inside passenger door locks and linkage. The second picture shows the part number on one of the NOS door seals before it was installed. The third picture shows the sound deadner and domelight wire installed. The last picture is of the drivers side of the Daytona. The fenders and hood are on in this picture and it's really coming along!
Blue car is fantastic in detail and workmanship .Here are these plates still in plastic bought in the 80s .Unpacked and found them
(http://i975.photobucket.com/albums/ae240/Wingcars69/101_2241.jpg)
Quote from: Mopar John on July 08, 2010, 10:37:01 AM
DOOR LATCHES AND STRIKERS BEFORE!
With the body now painted it was time for reassembly! While the body work was being done Troy had sent out a lot of parts to be replated, polished and rebuilt! Today I will share pictures of the door latches and the strikers. These were some of the first parts to go back on the body. The door hinges were on the body when it was painted and with the doors going on first the latches and strikers were next! The first two pictures go back to the fall of 2008 and show you the original door latches as they came off the doors and the bolts for the strikers. The last two pictures are from a differant day shown as assemblies right out of the doors!
Hi John,
Can you tell us who did the plating? All the pieces really came out great. Can you also tell me what the two different finishes are called?
Thanks
Brian
Quote from: nascarxx29 on July 11, 2010, 02:03:10 PM
Blue car is fantastic in detail and workmanship .Here are these plates still in plastic bought in the 80s .Unpacked and found them
(http://i975.photobucket.com/albums/ae240/Wingcars69/101_2241.jpg)
Dave,
Thanks for the offer on the 1969 plates! I have a "offical Chrysler show car" plate from an auto show display. I will find out if there will even be a plate on the car for judging. I will find out on this and pm if I need them.
Thanks! John
Quote from: brianz426 on July 11, 2010, 09:00:14 PM
Quote from: Mopar John on July 08, 2010, 10:37:01 AM
DOOR LATCHES AND STRIKERS BEFORE!
With the body now painted it was time for reassembly! While the body work was being done Troy had sent out a lot of parts to be replated, polished and rebuilt! Today I will share pictures of the door latches and the strikers. These were some of the first parts to go back on the body. The door hinges were on the body when it was painted and with the doors going on first the latches and strikers were next! The first two pictures go back to the fall of 2008 and show you the original door latches as they came off the doors and the bolts for the strikers. The last two pictures are from a differant day shown as assemblies right out of the doors!
Hi John,
Can you tell us who did the plating? All the pieces really came out great. Can you also tell me what the two different finishes are called?
Thanks
Brian
Brian,
I know all the chrome plating was done by Paul's chrome plating out of Pennsylvania. The invoice for the other plating lists PHOSPHATE and ZINC plating. There is no direct invoice so I will have to check on this.
John
WIPER MOTOR!
The next item to be installed on the Daytona was the wiper motor! This first batch of three pictures will show the before pictures. The first two are of differant angles with the wiper motor still on the firewall before restoration. The last picture is of the bottom side from inside the Daytona.
WIPER MOTOR RESTORED AND INSTALLED!
During the restoration of our Daytona I got lucky on a lot of items! One such item was the original two speed wiper motor. One day I was scanning the moparts ads and JULES THE WIPERMAN had a post saying that he normally only restored three speed wiper motors but found enough NOS original parts to restore twenty two speed wiper motors! The responses were coming in fast so I e-mailed and told him that I would have one on the way. This is when a good relationship with your restoration shop comes in handy. I knew when most items were out being restored and the wiper motor was a back burner item. I called Troy and had the wiper motor shipped. The first two pictures in this batch show the same original two speed wiper motor as it came back from JULES! The third picture shows it mounted to the Daytona firewall and the last picture is from inside the Daytona with the linkage and pivots installed!
ANTENNA!
This batch of pictures will show the antenna components used and what it looked like after they were installed. The first picture is of the NOS adapter which is the chrome ring on the fender. The second picture is of the NOS cable and the mount that goes underneath the fender. The third picture shows the antenna cable coming through the passengers side door pillar. The last picture shows the antenna adapter and all the parts except the mast installed on the fender.
UNDER DASH WORK!
Today I will start with one more picture of the wiper motor and linkage from inside the Daytona. The next three pictures are of the brake pedal assembly before and after restoration!
MORE UNDER DASH EMERGENCY BRAKE AND GAS PEDAL HARDWARE!
This batch of pictures has a before and after of the emergency brake pedal assembly and a before and after of the gas pedal hardware!
MORE UNDER DASH DRIVERS VENT BOX!
The first picture in this batch is of the drivers vent box after restoration. The before picture is in the next post. This is the last of the prep work before the dash assembly went in!! To fill this batch of pictures I have a couple of pictures of the plates that the exhaust tip hangers fit into on the non bolted end! ENJOY!
DRIVERS VENT BOX BEFORE PICTURE!
Something went wrong in my last post and the wrong picture showed up! :shruggy: I have attached the correct before picture of the vent box before restration to this post!
DAY 26!
I don't know if I will have the Daytona story complete before the Mopar Nationals. For this reason I am going to have to go back and forth between the restoration and current events. So when I'm speaking of today real time there are 26 days left till the Daytona gets judged at the Nats!
FIVE MORE PIECES OF THE PUZZLE! WWWOOOWWW IS ALL I CAN SAY!
I don't like to post on things till I know that all has worked out and this is a big one! I have had wanted ads posted all over for the remaining items that I have been looking for to finish the Daytona! One such ad was the first one posted on Moparts for July B Body parts wanted. Reluctantly I also posted a picture of the Daytona on display at Indy. The reason I was reluctant is that whenever you mention the word Daytona the price of parts doubles or triples! But I felt it may shake some parts loose for a worthy cause! It did and it worked! A fellow Moparts member Dan Paush sent me a PM on Moparts about the original or NOS tires that I was looking for. He said he was from Las Vegas and I remember a set of F70 X 14 redlines at the 2009 MOPARS AT THE STRIP show. He informed me that those were not the tires he had! He then informed me that he had a complete set of 5 F70 X 14 GOODYEAR whiteline original and NOS tires @#$%^&*()! WOW! He had two used date coded April of 69 and May of 69 which were perfect for a June 69 build Daytona! He also had three NOS that were very close to the original build also. He sent me a picture and told me that they were in storage in the midwest but that he was going to the Carlisle show and would pick them up on the way! WOW AGAIN! NO SHIPPING! He asked if I was going and I told him no but that Troy Angelly who restored the Daytona and his partner Paul Jacobs were! I made arrangements for those guys to bring the tires back to Troy's shop. They will be there next Tuesday when I take the Daytona back for the final touches! I have attached a couple of pictures of the tires. We plan to put the two originals on the back drive wheels and the NOS tire that still has the GOODYEAR label on it as the spare. The other two NOS tires will go on the front. I would like to thank Dan for all he has done to help me make the Daytona that much better!
at least Dan didn't warehouse these tires in my garage for six months like he did with Nitrometal's spare ;)
Quote from: pettybird on July 16, 2010, 03:51:38 PM
at least Dan didn't warehouse these tires in my garage for six months like he did with Nitrometal's spare ;)
Doug,
I don't think there would have been a problem for me to store some tires over at your place! I have some connections! Good to hear from you! I read somewhere that you have a new job? Is it the one where you pass through this area every so often? You havn't stopped by to check on me in a while? Hope to see you and mom at the Nats!
John
DASHBOARD!
There are a lot of parts that make up the dashboard assembly! The first pictures will be many before shots!
This batch is of the dash as it came out of the Daytona with close ups of the gauge cluster, radio and passengers side. The gauges were yellowed, the paint was coming of the bezels and the chrome trim was dull!
DASHBOARD BEFORE PART 2!
This batch of pictures are more of the before restoration shots. The first is of the glovebox compartment. The second is of the ash tray and the third is of the fuse box. Last is some of the bare dash frame.
DASHBOARD BEFORE PART 3!
This batch of pictures are close ups of some of the major components! The first up is the original am radio which was sent in and tested and restored. The next picture is of the clock which was restored and upgraded. The third picture is significant to me with the original spedometer at 24,016 miles!! I decided noy to roll it back to zero at restoration! Many cars are now lost to their true milage! The last picture is of the gauges which are all yellow. They were also sent of to be restored an recalibrated!
DASHBOARD BEFORE PART 4!
This batch of pictures show the dash assembly split from the body. You can see down in between the condition of the parts before restoration. The second picture is the back of the radio also before restoration with all the original hardware in place. The third picture is of the extra broadcast sheet found when the dash was being removed. You don't know how much I would trade that extra one for the missing sheet for the R4 Daytona!! For those of you who are missing your sheet this is a great place to look for it! The last picture is of the radio and speaker area from the back side before restoration.
DASHBOARD BEFORE PART 5!
This batch of pictures is of the bare dash frame after all the components were stripped out and before any restoration work started.
DASHBOARD RESTORATION!
This batch of pictures shows the dashboard frame after it has been beadblasted to remove all the surface rust seen in the previous pictures! The last three pictures shows the top side after it has been sanded and prepped for primer and paint.
DASHBOARD PAINTED!
The first two pictures show the dashboard frame painted and ready for reassembly! The next two pictures are the start of the reassembly process starting with the ash tray! The first shows all the components ready and then the second picture shows them all together ready to go in the dash! I am going to take a break here and when I return there will be another five batches of pictures showing the restoration and reassembly of the dash!
DASH ASSEMBLY!
In this batch of pictures you will see differant components as they come back and are reassembled to the dash frame. The first picture is of the radio speaker. The next item is the bezel for the rally gauge cluster. The third picture is of the rally gauge cluster in the dash frame. The last picture is of the glove box bezel installed!
DASH ASSEMBLY PART 2!
In this batch of pictures there is more reassembly work going on! The first picture is of the original am radio all redone. The second picture is of the back of the rally gauge cluster in the frame. The third picture is of the NOS glove box lock and the last picture is of the retaping of the original harness in an area where the original tape had come loose.
DASHBOARD ASSEMBLY PART 3!
In this batch there is more reassembly of the restored components coming together! The first picture is of the back of the speaker and radio after installation. The second picture is of the back of the rally gauge cluster. The third picture is of the back of the clock and the last picture is of the NOS ignition lock and keys!
DASH ASSEMBLY PART 4!
This batch of pictures more items being finished on the assembly! The first two pictures are of the firewall main connector parts and then assembled. The third picture is of the ignition switch and bezel installed. I have an NOS bezel on the way! The last picture is of the radio and it's bezel from the front installed!
DASH ASSEMBLY FINAL!
This is it! The last batch for the dash assembly! The first picture is of the passengers side with the glove box lid on. The second picture is of the completed dash assembly! WOW! The third picture shows the dash mounted to the Daytona body! The last picture is another of the complete dash installed!
HEADLINER AND DOMELIGHT!
There is only one picture in this batch and it's of the new headliner and dome light. The old headliner had some signs of damage from mice when it was stored outside and couldn't be saved. The replacement is an old style Legendary headliner. I am told they have made some changes and the new ones look rubbery? The domelight housing is an NOS piece.
DAY 23!
In between postings today I was getting ready for day 22! Tommorrow I am taking the B5 Daytona and all the parts I have accumulated since Talladega down to Troy Angelly's shop. The Daytona will be down there till the Mopar Nationals! I have attached some pictures of what will be changed out on the Daytona. The first picture is of the NOS / low milage used nose seal set. The second picture shows the NOS / assembly line oil filter, assembly line front wheel bearing nuts with lock washers and cotter pins. There is also a pair of low milage correct Oriflow front shocks, NOS 11 x 3 front brake shoes of no supercedence and a NOS fuel vapor separator. The third picture is of the polished drivers and passengers door glass, misc original hardware and two dealer floor mats from Dave Walden. We got our carpet set and winshield from Dave. The last picture is of the polished back window, NOS trunk seal, NOS muffler, NOS license plate lamp box ( lamp is already on the Daytona! ), NOS rear 11 X 2 1/2 rear brake shoes and a pinion yoke with straps dated 4-18-69 with correct nuts and washers. Troy has a NOS air filter, NOS torsion bars and NOS driveshaft ready to go in! The recently purchased NOS / original tires are there also! Paul Jacobs is bringing the other NOS muffler, assembly line heater hoses and NOS tailpipe tip hangers! At this point I don't think I'll find any more parts before the Nats but who knows?
DAY 22!
Only one picture today! Leaving for Eldorado, Illinois!
Your restoration documentation rocks John! I like the way you present each item before and after! Thanks for this priceless look at how many of these items are taken apart and reassembled properly. :2thumbs:
Interesting, 2 completely different ways to restore a Daytona going on with Geno's archaeologically correct resto and your more accepted nicer than original yet correct too! The judging on both cars will be very interesting! :scope:
:cheers:
Steve
Quote from: XS29J8 on July 20, 2010, 08:42:11 AM
Your restoration documentation rocks John! I like the way you present each item before and after! Thanks for this priceless look at how many of these items are taken apart and reassembled properly. :2thumbs:
Interesting, 2 completely different ways to restore a Daytona going on with Geno's archaeologically correct resto and your more accepted nicer than original yet correct too! The judging on both cars will be very interesting! :scope:
:cheers:
Steve
Steve,
Thanks for the comments! It is a lot of work trying to stay on topic and find matching before and after photos! I have sevaral thousand photos to dig through. Some of the pictures might not be of the same angle or scope but for the most part I think you guys are getting the picture. There is only one reason that I am going to have our Daytona judged and that is to have something to back up my claim of what we have. It is being judged at one of the more known shows on the planet and to very tough standards. To have someone at your side that has gone through it in Troy and Paul is of great value. An example of one of the things that came up yesterday was the horn relay. The original housing was sent out and replated and has a date code of 0909 or the 90th day of 1969. I bought a very nice NOS one from Jim ( maxwellwedge ) but it is dated very late 1968. The plating is not quite correct on the original. So now what will the judges like better? We will know in about three weeks!
Mopar John
DAY 21!
Today is just a review of yesterday's trip! After I sent the picture on this site I had breakfast with 426 Linda before she left for work. That would be the last that I would see her for the day. It's about a 6 hour trip each way with fuel stops and a bite to eat. I stopped for lunch in Mt Vernon Illinois where I-57 and I-64 come together. I met a fellow named Greg from the St Louis area who needed some parts I had for a 1970 Superbee 440 six pack car he is restoring. I think he bought it as a project and some parts were lost in a body shop move by the previous owner. That went well and I phoned Troy to let him know that I was about 45 minutes away. He told me they were ready and had a spot by the lift for the Daytona. When I arrived we unloaded the Daytona and put it in the lift bay and went over both of our lists of what had to be done to the Daytona over the next three weeks! I then checked out the NOS driveshaft that had been redi-stripped and it looked like new. I also gathered up some left over parts and loaded them for the trip home. The shop was busy and now had three Daytonas there! Troy is very busy and if anyone knows of a very good all around body guy I think he would like to add another employee with steady work! On a sad note were two cars that were in the shop from bad things happening. The first was a real nice 1968 Charger that had been sideswiped on the night of the first summer cruise and a real nice 1970 GTX air grabber car that had sufferred an engine fire!! What a mess under the burnt hood. The trip home went well till I got near Chicago on I-57 and they were doing night time paving#$%^&*(! I finally got home at 10:30pm! I can't tell you how important it is to have your shop within a days drive. The cost yesterday was $250.00 for fuel and food. I am very lucky that I have the means to transport my own vehicle and make it back home in the same day!
Mopar John
Incredible. I had the pleasure of meeting Troy, thanks to Troy P. It didn't register until now.
May I ask why the heater control "TEMP" lever wasn't restored?
Quote from: 472 R/T SE on July 21, 2010, 07:45:50 PM
Incredible. I had the pleasure of meeting Troy, thanks to Troy P. It didn't register until now.
May I ask why the heater control "TEMP" lever wasn't restored?
GUILTY AS CHARGED! Ironically I had my album with the picture copies opened to the page with the heater control picture. It shows the "TEMP" knob not restored! Since I no longer have the Daytona here I will have to check with Troy in our next conversation and see if it is still that way? In the meanwhile I looked up the part numbers for the knobs to see if there was any NOS readily available and no luck. So I e-mailed Devin who advertises heater control restoration on Moparts to see if he has any NOS available. I also asked him if he has any extra original knobs restored. I don't want to add any more work on Troy's end trying to get everything else done!
Thanks for the observation!
DOOR AND QUARTER WINDOW PARTS!
Todays posts will show the door and quarter window parts before and after! This first batch of pictures show the drivers quarter and passengers quarter window area before restoration!
MORE DOOR AND QUARTER WINDOW BEFORE!
This batch of pictures show the drivers and passengers door window parts before restoration!
DOOR AND QUARTER WINDOW PARTS AFTER!
This batch of pictures show the passenger quarter window and drivers quarter window area from the inside after assembly!
MORE DOOR AND QUARTER WINDOW AFTER!
The first two pictures in this batch show the drivers door and passengers door after reassembly! The third picture is the start of the new brakelines being installed on the firewall. The last picture is a shot of the new brakeline going to the rear of Daytona!
DAY 19!
426 LINDA RETIRES!
After 20 years + with the UNITED STATES POSTAL SERVICE my wife Linda retired today! The post office is in a huge decline due to all the things that can now be done on the internet. Those that are left are working very hard to keep things going with more and more demands and a shrinking work force! I'm glad she made it! We were able to restore our B5 Daytona and finish up some home remodeling before she retired! I would like to thank her for all the help! Right to the last day today she shipped a package to David Patik at Performance Car Graphics. I decided to ship my extra heater control down to him to be restored. Troy has enough to do on the Daytona and I want to get this item taken care of. Thanks to 472 R/T SE for pointing out this overlooked item!
Quote from: Mopar John on July 23, 2010, 07:19:06 PM
DAY 19!
426 LINDA RETIRES!
After 20 years + with the UNITED STATES POSTAL SERVICE my wife Linda retired today! The post office is in a huge decline due to all the things that can now be done on the internet. Those that are left are working very hard to keep things going with more and more demands and a shrinking work force! I'm glad she made it! We were able to restore our B5 Daytona and finish up some home remodeling before she retired! I would like to thank her for all the help! Right to the last day today she shipped a package to David Patik at Performance Car Graphics. I decided to ship my extra heater control down to him to be restored. Troy has enough to do on the Daytona and I want to get this item taken care of. Thanks to 472 R/T SE for pointing out this overlooked item!
Wow !!! That is an accomplishment.. My father retired from the Post Office as well. He was the Vehicle Maintenance Supervisor for Houston as he passed away. He had enough days of vacation and sick days to get his 20 years.
Congrad's to Linda for a great individual accomplishment.... :2thumbs:
Quote from: hemi68charger on July 25, 2010, 10:54:25 AM
Quote from: Mopar John on July 23, 2010, 07:19:06 PM
DAY 19!
426 LINDA RETIRES!
After 20 years + with the UNITED STATES POSTAL SERVICE my wife Linda retired today! The post office is in a huge decline due to all the things that can now be done on the internet. Those that are left are working very hard to keep things going with more and more demands and a shrinking work force! I'm glad she made it! We were able to restore our B5 Daytona and finish up some home remodeling before she retired! I would like to thank her for all the help! Right to the last day today she shipped a package to David Patik at Performance Car Graphics. I decided to ship my extra heater control down to him to be restored. Troy has enough to do on the Daytona and I want to get this item taken care of. Thanks to 472 R/T SE for pointing out this overlooked item!
Troy,
Linda says thanks for the kind words! We both are sorry that your father didn't get to enjoy retirement!
Wow !!! That is an accomplishment.. My father retired from the Post Office as well. He was the Vehicle Maintenance Supervisor for Houston as he passed away. He had enough days of vacation and sick days to get his 20 years.
Congrad's to Linda for a great individual accomplishment.... :2thumbs:
HEATER BOX RESTORATION!
I have a lot of pictures of the heater box restoration. I am going to limit them to a couple of batch's from before and a couple after! This first batch of before pictures shows a couple of views from the top side. The last two are from the back side.
HEATER BOX RESTORATION PART 2!
This is the final batch of the heater box before restoration! The first picture is of the front side. The second picture is an overall shot. The third picture is a close up of the weathered housing. The last picture is of the passengers side vent cable bracket area!
HEATER BOX RESTORATION PART 3!
This batch of pictures shows the heater box on it's way back together! The first picture is of the bare shell. The second picture is a shot of the top side. The third and fourth pictures are of the backside!
HEATER BOX RESTORATION FINAL!
This is the last batch of heater restoration pictures. This batch is again after restoration. The first picture is of the duct flap parts. The second picture is of the duct assembly. The third picture is again of the duct assembly. The last picture is an overall shot of the assembly after restoration! ENJOY!
DAY 16!
Over the weekend I received a call from Troy Angelly. He said that Paul Jacobs had stopped by on Saturday with the NOS muffler and assembly line heater hoses to put on the Daytona. They also went over Troy's list and added some items for more detail. After that they worked on the Daytona. Troy told me that earlier in the week that he had started on the hard to do items first! I like that idea! He told me that the original back window was back in the Daytona and the NOS chrome trim reinstalled! I am going to take the other rear window up to Rob and have him polish it while it is out of the R4 Daytona. Troy said that the polished door glass was also installed and all looks great as far as the glass goes! I will bring the extras back and decide which ones I will use in the R4 Daytona! Troy said that he hopes to finish the Daytona by weeks end! That will leave next week for detailing and cleaning! If all goes as planned Paul will have the panther pink 1970 Superbee that was with our Daytona in Indy finished and at the Nats. Troy also plans to bring the 1970 440 six pack Challenger convertable to the Nats. Some of you have seen it on display at Carlisle. I can't wait!
DAY 14!
The momentum and excitement are building! Two significant items today! The first was a call at work from Troy Angelly. He briefed me on the progress and went over some things. The Daytona has been up on the lift and the NOS mufflers are installed along with the NOS driveshaft! They are going over the bottom side with a fine tooth comb making sure as many details are correct as possible. Troy has asked for any information on any NOS parts that I have to make sure he has them all listed and photgraphed for the judges! The second significant item was that when I returned home from work the confirmation letter for the OE judging at the Mopar Nationals was on the table! Paul Jacobs took care of the entry process and now I know were in! No more worries on that part!
I can't wait to see it John! :2thumbs:
:cheers: looking incredible , good luck to your wife with what ever path she takes . :2thumbs:
Quote from: Dan T on July 28, 2010, 08:43:02 PM
I can't wait to see it John! :2thumbs:
Dan,
It won't be long now! Look forward to seeing you at the Nats!
Quote from: BigBlockSam on July 28, 2010, 09:15:39 PM
:cheers: looking incredible , good luck to your wife with what ever path she takes . :2thumbs:
BigBlockSam,
Thanks for the comments! Linda doesn't really know where to start around here! She is looking forward getting away for a while!
Mopar John
SEATS!
This evening I am going to post about the Daytona seats! First off I am lucky they were still in the Daytona! The R4 Daytona was missing the front and back seats and if there was a broadcast sheet it was gone too! The seats were there and complete but anytime you put any weight on them the upholstery would just break. This was due to being stored in the Missouri sun in the salvage yard all those years. This batch of pictures shows the front seats and center arm rest before restoration.
SEATS PART 2!
Troy started taking the seats completely apart. This batch of pictures shows the seat tracks before restoration along with the bottom halves being taken apart.
SEATS PART 3!
This batch of pictures shows the seat tracks after they have been restored and painted!
SEATS PART 4!
This batch continues on with the seats. The first picture is of the bare backs before they were blasted and repainted. The last three pictures are of the back seat as it's taken apart.
SEATS PART 5!
The first two pictures in this batch are of the center arm rest before restoration. The last two pictures were taken on one of my visits down to the shop. Troy has a local craftsman that does all the reupholstering for him. Our seats had just come back and were setting out in the warm sun to stretch all the folds and wrinkles out before assembly and reinstallation! I had checked around for any NOS covers or material and the closest I came was buying a nice used take off set that has some good date coded sections. If I find some more I may some day get an original set of seat covers together. These came from Legendary which seems to be one of the common Mopar replacements.
SEATS FINAL!
This batch of pictures is the last that I have before they were installed in the Daytona! The first picture shows the seat backs with the rechromed bezels from Crusin Moons. They are one of the best on the seat bezels and turn signal indicator housings! The next picture is of the bottom passenger bucket with the seat track installed and all the components detailed. Being the original seats were used all the date coded seat tracks are correct for the Daytona. The third picture is of the front bucket seats waiting for the backs to be installed. The last picture is of the front seats with the hinge covers installed!
DAY 12!
I have spent a lot of time over the last couple of days gathering information on all the NOS parts that we purchased for the Daytona! I have tried to consolidate all the information into one list with as many original part numbers as possible! Troy needs this for his documentation so we can present it with the Daytona. I have also been sending any pictures of NOS parts that I took so he would have those also! With all the reproduction now available it is very important to document all the NOS and original restored parts that are used! NOS assembly line parts are tough because many of those came out of bulk surplus and never had parts depot stickers or tags on them!
Read your thread through from page one to 27. Your progress pictures show the great craftsmanship of the people working on your Daytona. Thanks also for sharing the numerous more personal pix. Great story and interesting read. :2thumbs:
Al
Congratulations to Linda! :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
Quote from: Al on July 31, 2010, 03:46:02 PM
Read your thread through from page one to 27. Your progress pictures show the great craftsmanship of the people working on your Daytona. Thanks also for sharing the numerous more personal pix. Great story and interesting read. :2thumbs:
Al
Al,
Read all 27 pages at one time! WOW! I can't begin to think how much time it's taken to get to this point! Glad you like the story!
Thanks! John
Quote from: mikepmcs on July 31, 2010, 04:35:28 PM
Congratulations to Linda! :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
Mike,
I am starting to settle in. I really don't know where to start but am making progress! I can't wait till we get away on vacation and take the Daytona to the Mopar Nationals!
Thanks! 426 Linda
LEAF SPRINGS!
As the parts were being added to the body thoughts of putting it on it's own suspension were becoming a priority for Troy. Todays posting will be about the leaf springs. When the leaf springs were taken apart Troy called me and wanted to know if I knew where any better ones were at. The reason being is when the Daytona sat on the ground in the salvage yard the springs got pretty rusty! I did find another correct pair off a 1969 GTX from Gary Mendy out of Ohio. He sent me pictures and I let Troy take a look before I bought them. They looked a lot nicer and I had them shipped directly to the shop. This batch of pictures shows the original leaf springs. The first picture is one of the sides still together. The last three pictures shows them as they came apart!
LEAF SPRINGS PART 2!
This batch of pictures shows the prep work being done on the leaf springs. The most important part is to have nice deep visable part numbers and no deep rust pitting! The first picture shows the end of one of the main leafs and the second shows it a little farther along and a lot nicer appearance. The last two pictures shows all the leafs laid out for assembly!
LEAF SPRINGS PART 3!
This batch of pictures shows the start of the leaf spring assembly process! The first picture shows all the parts prepped and laid out for assembly. The second picture shows one of the springs stacked. The third picture shows how one of the part numbers turned out and the last picture shows that side assembled.
LEAF SPRINGS FINAL!
This batch of pictures shows more leaf spring assembly and is the last batch of pictures for today! The first picture is another of the first side being assembled. The second picture is of the other part number. The last two pictures are of the other side being assembled! ENJOY!
DAY 7!
Just one week to go! I can't wait! Yesterday I called Troy down at the shop just to see how things were going? Usually if there's a problem he will call with the details and I hadn't heard from him. He informed me all the NOS parts were switched out and on the car except the trunk seal. The reason being is that Paul Jacobs and Troy had been looking for a more correct weatherstrip adhesive. The 3M product that is so commonly used is too bright of yellow when compared to the original Mopar adhesive. After much searching they found a supplier with a very close colored adhesive! The only problem is it was special order and they had to buy a case! Somehow they split the order and Troy will have this product in time to use it on our NOS trunkseal! Troy also informed me that the last NOS piece I purchased, an ignition switch bezel arrived and is on the Daytona. The focus now is small details and putting together the documentation for the judges!
GETTING THERE . :cheers:
It's beautiful John, good luck the rest of the way.
Quote from: BigBlockSam on August 04, 2010, 11:16:54 AM
GETTING THERE . :cheers:
Thanks!
Quote from: Aero426 on August 04, 2010, 11:49:03 AM
It's beautiful John, good luck the rest of the way.
Doug,
Thanks again for the critical rare NOS parts at just the right time. For those who don't know I purchased some NOS from Doug when he was buying the #7 Ramo Stott race Superbird. Some of the nos items were a Daytona grill frame, nose to hood seal and a rear window stainless trim set!
John
REAR END ASSEMBLY!
Today I will post about the rear end assembly before and after! This first batch of pictures shows the brake area and the center section area before restoration! Like the rest of the Daytona sitting on the ground wasn't kind to these parts!
REAR END ASSEMBLY PART 2!
This batch of pictures shows the backing plates taken off and blasted. There is also a couple of pictures of the center section blasted and prepped.
REAR END ASSEMBLY PART 3!
This batch of pictures shows the start of the reassembly process! The first picture is of the center section case. The second picture shows the original posi unit with the factory paint marks. The third picture is of the internals and the last picture is of the axles ready to go back in!
REAR END ASSEMBLY PART 4!
This batch of pictures continues on with the assembly process! The first picture shows the backing plates after restoration. The second picture is of the axles installed. The third picture is of the center section now bolted into the housing and the last picture is of the backing plate, axle and now the brake cylinder installed on one side of the housing! The white gaskets in the pictures are NOS Thanks to Paul Jacobs!! The wheel cylinders are the originals that were restored!
REAR END ASSEMBLY FINAL!
This batch of pictures is the last that I have before the rear end assembly was installed in the Daytona! The first picture is of the rear end housing assembly with the brake lines now on! The second picture is of the top view of the assembly and the last picture is a view of the assembly from the passengers side. What a differance! ENJOY!
Looks like you are finding all of the last little pieces for the car John. Hoping to see it once its all completed. I'm still hoping to at least swing over to the Nats for at least one day of the show, but knowing my luck when I get over to see the car will be when they have it up on the lift and I won't be able to look it over as much as I'd like.
With the day being rained out, I took the time to watch today's NASCAR race and to read this thread from page one till right here. John, I feel like I know you and your wife Linda even though you don't know me. This has been an amazing story. Every part of it was well told and very interesting. The pictures a first rate as is all the work being done by Troy and his crew. I'm glad I took the time and look forward to the rest of the story.
Best of luck. :2thumbs:
Quote from: 69_500 on August 07, 2010, 08:18:34 PM
Looks like you are finding all of the last little pieces for the car John. Hoping to see it once its all completed. I'm still hoping to at least swing over to the Nats for at least one day of the show, but knowing my luck when I get over to see the car will be when they have it up on the lift and I won't be able to look it over as much as I'd like.
Dan,
Good to hear from you again! I hope your enjoying the story past and present. If it's up on the lift you will be able to check out all the bottom details! At least you had a chance to see the top side in Indy! It is amazing on all the parts that have come together 40 years after the car was built! If you would have told me a couple of years ago all the items that were found I wouldn't have dreamed it in a thousand years! Speaking of details you mentioned the carburetor idle adjusment caps in Indy. After looking at pictures of other cars and discussing them several times we have decided to put a very nice set on the Daytona! See you at the Nats!
Mopar John
Quote from: 68RT4ME on August 08, 2010, 05:58:28 PM
With the day being rained out, I took the time to watch today's NASCAR race and to read this thread from page one till right here. John, I feel like I know you and your wife Linda even though you don't know me. This has been an amazing story. Every part of it was well told and very interesting. The pictures a first rate as is all the work being done by Troy and his crew. I'm glad I took the time and look forward to the rest of the story.
Best of luck. :2thumbs:
68RT4ME,
I am glad you have enjoyed the story! My plan was to get caught up to present day with the restoration before the Mopar Nationals. I still have the front suspension, engine, transmission and final assembly to post. So I'm not going to make it by the Nats and that will add a whole new chapter to this story! I hope to meet you at a show some day!
Mopar John
DAY 2!
Really I don't know where to start! I have been so busy I havn't had time to finish the restoration story before the Mopar Nationals and that was my goal! I just got off the phone with Troy Angelly and the Daytona is ready! The restored heater control panel from Dave Patik made it and is in the Daytona. That was the last part that we were waiting for. 426 Linda and I are leaving early Wednesday and are expected at the shop at 9am. Troy will have the 1970 Challenger 440 six pack convertable loaded and ready. Then when we arrive we will load the Daytona and all the take off parts that most likely end up on the R4 Daytona. We will then head for Columus, Ohio and spend the night. We plan to get to the track early Thursday and position the three Mopars for judging. Paul Jacobs has finished the panther pink 1970 Superbee and is going with us also! Here is what I know at this point about the OE class judging: There are 4 cars for sure our Daytona, Dave Walden from ECS with a Valiant 4 door, a car out of the Roger Gibson shop and a car out of the Muscle car restorations shop. I have heard that the 5th and final spot dropped out but that Ken Mosier of the Final details shop was trying to add a late addition to the open slot? Someone is scheduled ahead of us on Thursday for judging so that will put us late morning or afternoon Thursday on the lift! I hope this all works out and that we can enjoy the show the rest of the weekend!
Yesterday 426 Linda along with my Daughter Michelle and her fiance's two boys went with me to Osceola Dragstrip racing my BITTER LIME 1970 GTX! I did real well in time trials and for the second week in a row an event at the starting line during the first round of eliminations messed me up and I lost @#$%^&*()!!!! Last week I got the bye run which means that you don't have to run anyone if there is an odd number of cars. They pulled me off to the side and I waited. I don't like to run other Mopar guys till I have to. But another Mopar driver hung back and he has one of the quickest cars in our class and I ended up running him. To make matters worse the guy in front of me dumped a load of stones on the track when he took off @#$%^&*()! I then heated up while I waited for the starting line guy to do his best and sweep most of the stones off the track. Well you can guess what happened. With all that dust my starting traction was off and I lost. This week in the first round of eliminations I get ready to stage and the starting line guy walks over and opens the door of my oponents car. Again my car is heating up and my rear tirs are cooling off @#$%^&*(!! My oponent had one of those velcro dial in boards with his dial in on it and it had fallen off. So the starting line guy was looking for it. The NHRA rules state that you must have your dial in on the car before you pass the white line leaving the staging lanes to race. With all this action I ended up RED lighting #$%^&*(! I protested the run up in the tower and they offerred to buy me back in. I didn't accept the offer because when you buy back in you no longer earn season points. I went to speak with the guy I ran and his dial in board had fallen off again! I explained what a distraction it caused and that it took me out of my game. I asked him to make sure it didn't happen again! The good news is that with that event in the books I have qualified for the NHRA DIVISION 3 SUMMIT RACING SERIES FINALS in Indy in September!! WOW!! This is where the top cars from each track in the division race each other for a division champion! Last night after racing all day I worked a twelve hour midnight shift and slept about 5 hours this morning! I am going to spend the rest of the day getting everything ready for the trip! If there is any time left I'll post a little more about the restoration! See you in Columbus!!
Mopar John
GOOD LUCK JOHN!!
I'm really looking forward to meeting you and your car John!! Best of luck! You deserve it :cheers:
Quote from: Dave Kanofsky on August 09, 2010, 04:08:45 PM
GOOD LUCK JOHN!!
THANKS DAVE!!
Quote from: Dan T on August 09, 2010, 07:57:38 PM
I'm really looking forward to meeting you and your car John!! Best of luck! You deserve it :cheers:
Dan,
See you there! Thanks!
FRONT SUSPENSION!
Today I am going to post about the Daytona's front suspension! The first two batches are the before pictures that I have. Then I will get into the restoration pictures! This batch of pictures is of the front suspension as it came apart!
FRONT SUSPENSION PART 2!!
In this batch of before pictures there are one of each inner fender area with the suspension coming apart. The last two pictures show the front suspension with engine now out of the Daytona! WOW!
FRONT SUSPENSION PART 3!
Now you will see the parts restored and coming back together. Troy was able to use the original K member, lower control arms, ball joints and tie rod! We used better backing plates and upper control arms along with NOS upper and lower bump stops. The first picture in this batch shows the K member and left strut rod. The second picture is the same as the first but now the left lower control arm is there! The third picture is of the K member with right strut rod. The last picture shows the K member with the restored hardware laid out for assembly!
FRONT SUSPENSION PART 4!
This batch of pictures is more restored parts being assembled! The first picture is of the K member assembly to this point! The second picture is of the K member with right strut rod and right lower control arm. The third picture is of the left original lower ball joint. The last picture is of the right original spindle and the very nice backing plate we found!
FRONT SUSPENSION PART 5!
More reassembly of restored suspension parts! The first picture is of the left original spindle and another nice backing plate we found. During this process we found out that there are variations in the opening for the wheel cylinder. Some are oval as on the Daytona and some are rectangular! We did find a nice original type replacement for the left side also! The second picture is of the right spindle and backing plate attached to the assembly. The third picture is of the left spindle and backing plate attached to the assembly also. The last picture is of the entire front suspension assembly at this point!
FRONT SUSPENSION FINAL!
This is the last batch of pictures on the front suspension! If I show you any more it will include the finshed engine! I don't want to do that until you see the engine before and after pictures. The first picture in this batch is of the NOS front brakes going on. The second picture is another of the front brakes and also shows the STEER & GEAR restored power steering gear box. The guys at STEER & GEAR replaced my original factory broken off grease zurk with a new one @#%^*()! I did find another original in my stash and replaced it. The last two pictures show the front suspension all restored and reassembled with the gear box and tie rod! WOW!! ENJOY!
DAY 1!
To borrow a term from the late Michael Jackson " THIS IS IT! ". Today was a whirlwind around here! I started my day off by sanding and applying a coat of polyurethane to our front door. That will dry while were gone and I'll seal it next week. Then I cleaned up around the yard from a recent home remodeling project. I took a break and posted about the Daytona's front suspension. After lunch I unloaded the race car and all the support items and then loaded up for the Mopar Nationals! After supper Linda says wern't you going to mow the lawn before we leave?
@#$%^&*()@#$%^&*(!! Guess what? I'll mow when we get back! For those of you going to the Nats stop by and say HI and see the Daytona!
Mopar John
Quote from: Mopar John on August 10, 2010, 07:12:23 PM
DAY 1!
To borrow a term from the late Michael Jackson " THIS IS IT! ". Today was a whirlwind around here! I started my day off by sanding and applying a coat of polyurethane to our front door. That will dry while were gone and I'll seal it next week. Then I cleaned up around the yard from a recent home remodeling project. I took a break and posted about the Daytona's front suspension. After lunch I unloaded the race car and all the support items and then loaded up for the Mopar Nationals! After supper Linda says wern't you going to mow the lawn before we leave?
@#$%^&*()@#$%^&*(!! Guess what? I'll mow when we get back! For those of you going to the Nats stop by and say HI and see the Daytona!
Mopar John
Looking forward to meeting you John and checking out the Daytona. Have a safe trip.
BORZYCH DAYTONA SCORES OEM GOLD!
Late breaking news from the Mopar Nationals Columbus, Ohio! Today at 3pm the winners were announced at the Mopar Nationals! Linda and I won OEM GOLD with our 1969 Daytona!!!!@#$%^&*(()_+! WOW!! Mission accomplished! There were five cars entered in the OEM class a 1963 MAX WEDGE DODGE, A 1979 CHRYSLER 300, A 1970 CUDA, A 1970 4 door PLYMOUTH VALIANT and our 1969 DAYTONA! This was quite a spread of cars! The VALIANT, 300 and our DAYTONA scored gold and the MAX WEDGE and CUDA scored silver. One car out of the three gold winners will be selected for best of show tommorrow! I would like to thank my wife Linda for her support on this project! I would also like to thank my children Michelle, Michael and Matthew for putting up with me and my wing cars all their lives! I would also like to thank TROY ANGELLY RESTORATIONS for the killer work and attention to detail! Next up would be Paul Jacbos who often partners with Troy for all the NOS parts and consultations on what was correct. Also thanks go to all the people who helped with parts, kind words and motivation many from this forum! I am very lucky and would like to dedicate this win to all the people that never get a chance may it be health issues, divorce, job loss etc. I will have to go now and let the other guests at the motel share this computor! :yesnod:
Mopar John
Right On! :2thumbs:
:2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: Congrats all your hard work paid off
I'm proud of you John! Congrats!
John Congratulaions.It was worth all of the hard work that went into it.Good Job.JW
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That's so cool. :2thumbs: Congrats!
Great job John...
CONGRAT'S!!!
Great to see all of your efforts be rewarded.
Evidence:
(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4095/4898926648_1f24796b85.jpg)
Way to go John & Linda, :2thumbs:, and you are most welcome, glad we all could help out in are small ways.
THANKS EVERYONE FOR ALL THE POSITIVE COMMENTS!!
MOPAR NATIONALS 2010!!
Linda and I slept in this morning after our long and excitiing weekend! I finally got that grass mowed! I think a couple of the local farmers we disappointed that they couldn't bale it! While I was mowing Linda left to run some errands in her SHELBT GT500! I think all the car stuff over the weekend got her fired up to drive HER muscle car!
We left our home a little after 3am on Wednesday so we could be down to Troy Angelly's shop at 9am. We arrived a little late at 9:15am due to some road construction. Troy was just about ready with his motorhome and trailer. He was hauling a 1970 Dodge Challenger 440 six pack convertable 1 of 1 EXPORT car to the show! We went over final details of the Daytona and then loaded all the take off parts and our B5 Daytona for the trip to the Nats. We left Troy's shop around 10:30am. We followed Troy on a local shortcut to interstate I-64 then headed east toward Louisville. Just before Louisville Linda called Troy to let him know we were getting off for Gas and some lunch. They continued on ahead. We filled up and ate and were off again! All was going well until it started to rain real bad about an hour south of Cincinati, Ohio. Traffic was down to 30 miles per hour at times and it seemed like everyone wanted to fill the safty space I was leaving aheahd of me in case everything came to a sudden stop @#%^&*((! We moved on and just south of Cincinati everything came to a stop? We sat for about two hours@#$%^&*()!!!! I could see a bridge ahead and I saw two state trucks with snowplows go north on a south bound exit ramp? Then there was a firetruck and a TV truck?? There must have been something real bad happen in that rain! When we started moving we came upon an accident scene and there was a semi jack knifed into the guardrail on the sothbound side and a mid size red Chevy that had the drivers half of the car ground off! There was a 500 foot long debris field of red parts near the semi! WOW! Shortly after passing the accident scene we stopped at a rest area for obvious reasons. A truck driver who was near the accident told us that the red car either lost control in the rain or swirved to the median to miss a stopped or slow car in front of them. The car then took off across the median and ran right into the cab of that jack knifed semi!! The crash was violent and ripped off the drivers side of the car and the impact threw it back across the median almost back into the northbound lane where it had started out! Sadly two people in that red Chevy lost their lives! Later we found out that Troy Angelly and his family were not too far behind the crash and when they passed by there were two body bags next to the red Chevy! SAD! Linda and I continued on and stopped for gas not too far from our motel. We had planned to go to our favorite retaurant in Columbus the HICKORY HOUSE but it was so late we settled on a Quisnos sandwich. After 17 hours on the road we arrived at the motel and called it a nite. We were happy we arrived safe and didn't mess up our precious cargo! On Thursday I planned on getting up early and getting to the Nats around 8am when they opened. The reason was I didn't have a pass for the dump truck and wanted to get a good parking spot for the trailer. We were up and on our way when Troy calls Linda's cell phone and in a somewhat paniced voice asks where we are at? I thought that was strange because our Daytona wasn't to be judged until that afternoon? We'll the schedule got changed and we were going to be the first car judged that morning @#$%^&*()! Now we were all in a panic! When Linda and I arrived about fifteen minutes later Troy was already there with the Challenger discussing the layout of the cars under the judging tent with head judge Keith Rohm. They had me unload the Daytona near the LIFT that the cars would go up on to see the bottom side. This was all new to me and I didn't know that they gave you time to prepare the car for judging! When I found that out I came back to life again! I have attached a couple of pictures of Troy and his employee Bob prepping the Daytona for judging up on the lift. There are a couple more of the Daytona also up on the lift being judged! WOW!!
MOPAR NATIONALS 2010 PART 2!
I was a nervious wreck waiting for and during the judging! Jon ( ONE BAD SUPERBIRD ) was there filming and did an interveiw with me at the end about our Daytona. From all indications the Daytona had done well and everyone told me not to worry so much! When it was all done Troy moved it to his display at the opposite end of the tent. I was spent! We were told that they were going to judge three OE cars that day and one more on Friday and Saturday. We were also told that we wouldn't know the results till Sunday just before the " PARADE OF WINNERS ". That was going to be torture! After the long days on Wednesday and Thursday we slept in on Friday and were surprised how quick the show field filled up on Friday Morning. We set up our chairs and cooler and just hung out with all our friends that stopped by. I have attached a couple more pictures of the Daytona when it first went on the lift and a couple more after it was parked at the other end of the tent!
MOPAR NATIONALS 2010 PART 3!
We arrived at about the same time on Saturday. Later in the day we noticed that a sign was on the judging table informing everyone that the judging results would be posted that day at 3pm! Great! We won't have to wait until Sunday to find out how our Daytona did! Long before 3pm a crowd started to gather around that table. Linda and I decided we would wait at least till 3pm or maybe a little later. We finally worked our way up there and soon found out that we had achived OE GOLD CERTIFICATION with our Daytona!! WOW!#%^()! I started to cry I was so happy and thanked Linda for her support in the project. Soon after we found out that Troy had taken 1st place in a large and tough E Body class. In addition Paul Jacobs has taken 1st with the panther pink 1970 Dodge Superbee he entered! What an accomplishment for the two shops! I have attached a picture of the Challenger Troy entered that was also restored by his shop and the Superbee that was a joint venture between Troy and Paul. Then I have the Mopar Nationals winners list and a close up of our OE class. You will see that three of the cars achived GOLD and two achived SILVER. We were happy to be in the gold class with our Daytona!
Well done . :2thumbs: Congrats. :cheers: I love the Panther Pink Bee.
MOPAR NATIONALS 2010 FINAL!
With the results now posted the Daytona was getting a lot more attention! People stopping by to see it and take pictures. Many asked questions like how long did we have it and how long the restoration took? My nephew John and his wife Amanda along with their daughter Brooke spent most of the day with us! Now all that was left was to find out who would win best of show from the three gold OE cars? This would be announced Sunday during the parade of winners. We arrived Sunday and started preparing for the trip home. Later we got the Daytona out from under the tent and got in line for the parade. Linda took a couple of pictures of the Daytona. The parade was great especially that we had the only wing car in it and got a lot of attention and pictures. When we got to the staging lanes we were informed that the OE judged cars would go last! Only three were present the 1970 Cuda that won silver, the 1970 4 door Valinat that won gold and our Daytona that won gold. Just before we lined up we found out that Dave Walden with his 1970 4 door Valiant had won best of show. They announced some information I presented about our Daytona and then I took Linda for a blast down the quarter mile of National Trail Dragstrip! I was more than happy with the result but felt our Daytona had come the longest journey to gain the gold! The Valiant was a 9,000 mile estate car and the 1979 300 was a one owner pampered car all it's life! Linda and I had a safe trip home and arrived back in Westville around 10pm Sunday.
Mopar John
Quote from: 71ChallengeHer on August 16, 2010, 09:40:59 PM
Well done . :2thumbs: Congrats. :cheers: I love the Panther Pink Bee.
71ChallengeHer,
We saw so many people go crazy over the pink Superbee that we have just about decided that our R4 Daytona will some day be panther pink with a white wing and white interior!!
Quote from: Mopar John on August 16, 2010, 09:57:18 PM
Quote from: 71ChallengeHer on August 16, 2010, 09:40:59 PM
Well done . :2thumbs: Congrats. :cheers: I love the Panther Pink Bee.
71ChallengeHer,
We saw so many people go crazy over the pink Superbee that we have just about decided that our R4 Daytona will some day be panther pink with a white wing and white interior!!
I'm not sure the hobby can stand TWO panther pink Daytonas!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Quote from: Mopar John on August 16, 2010, 09:57:18 PM
Quote from: 71ChallengeHer on August 16, 2010, 09:40:59 PM
Well done . :2thumbs: Congrats. :cheers: I love the Panther Pink Bee.
71ChallengeHer,
We saw so many people go crazy over the pink Superbee that we have just about decided that our R4 Daytona will some day be panther pink with a white wing and white interior!!
That would be really cool. :2thumbs:
Congrats on the award, John!
Lots of work to get to that point, and you should be proud of the results.
:2thumbs:
You dont see many 70 FM 3 Panther Pink/ Moulin Rouge Super Bees .Ive only seen 3-4 of them .Of 39 Made?
http://www.uscartool.com/img/70PinkBee/image_1.html
Quote from: hemigeno on August 17, 2010, 11:33:52 AM
Congrats on the award, John!
Lots of work to get to that point, and you should be proud of the results.
:2thumbs:
THANKS Gene! Having traveled a somewhat similar path you would know first hand of all the work involved to bring a dead Daytona back to life! Linda and I are very happy how things worked out!
Congrats John. Sorry I didn't make it over to the show this weekend. My son had a baseball tournament and we spent all weekend at the ball diamond instead of a car show field.
How long after the show do they tell you the actual scores from the OE category? Or did they already let you know what they didn't like on the car?
Quote from: 69_500 on August 18, 2010, 05:05:23 PM
Congrats John. Sorry I didn't make it over to the show this weekend. My son had a baseball tournament and we spent all weekend at the ball diamond instead of a car show field.
How long after the show do they tell you the actual scores from the OE category? Or did they already let you know what they didn't like on the car?
Dan,
Hopefully your son had a good tournament! I was told by head judge Keith Rohm that I would get a detailed breakdown of my score after he gets his crops in. He mentioned that would probably be October. When we went up for the awards we got an empty frame for the OE certificate. We are going to receive some type of document that will be hard to copy. So for right now all I have is the picture I took of the judges winners board. My guess the points that we lost would be on the minimal reproduction parts that were on the Daytona.
Thanks! John
Way to go John & Linda !!... Great updates and pictures............ :2thumbs:
Concerning the lower backing plate-2-ball joint, I see that you have your lower castle nuts with cotter pins on the brake side of the backing plate instead of the outside against the lower ball joint....... Is that the way it's supposed to go or was there a variety of ways that bolt/nut could be installed? The reason I ask is when the time comes to rebuild the 500's front end, I want it correct....
Troy
Quote from: hemi68charger on August 19, 2010, 12:49:36 PM
Is that the way it's supposed to go or was there a variety of ways that bolt/nut could be installed?
Here is the detail for drum brake cars (although this is a '70 document, the 1969 Engineering Graphic shows it the with the same orientation) :
(http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=15981.0;attach=24255)
Disc brake cars were done the opposite way, BTW.
With that being said, it's certainly possible that a drum brake car had its bolts/nuts installed "backward" from that drawing. It all comes back to the documentation done at disassembly...
Quote from: hemi68charger on August 19, 2010, 12:49:36 PM
Way to go John & Linda !!... Great updates and pictures............ :2thumbs:
Concerning the lower backing plate-2-ball joint, I see that you have your lower castle nuts with cotter pins on the brake side of the backing plate instead of the outside against the lower ball joint....... Is that the way it's supposed to go or was there a variety of ways that bolt/nut could be installed? The reason I ask is when the time comes to rebuild the 500's front end, I want it correct....
Troy
Troy,
Good observation! This time I had the Daytona here so I could go check it out! When I got under the B5 Daytona the lower ball joint bolts had been reversed from the initial pictures. The nuts and cotter pins are on the lower ball joint on the outside and not the spindle inside the drum. I also checked the R4 Daytona which is undisturbed and it's the same way!
Quote from: hemigeno on August 19, 2010, 01:29:19 PM
Quote from: hemi68charger on August 19, 2010, 12:49:36 PM
Is that the way it's supposed to go or was there a variety of ways that bolt/nut could be installed?
Here is the detail for drum brake cars (although this is a '70 document, the 1969 Engineering Graphic shows it the with the same orientation) :
(http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=15981.0;attach=24255)
Disc brake cars were done the opposite way, BTW.
With that being said, it's certainly possible that a drum brake car had its bolts/nuts installed "backward" from that drawing. It all comes back to the documentation done at disassembly...
Thanks Gene!
The drawing is correct and that's the way we had them for the judges at the Nats!
Hey Uncle John, Congratulations to you and Linda on a job well done. The car is absolutely beautiful! To see how far it has come since I remember seeing it sit in the corner of the barn covered in dust is amazing!
I also wanted to thank you for your hospitality over the weekend. You know how hot it was, and it was nice for Amanda and Brooke to have a place to relax.
Now, if only I could get one of my rides finished...
Quote from: EV2DEMON on August 19, 2010, 05:13:10 PM
Hey Uncle John, Congratulations to you and Linda on a job well done. The car is absolutely beautiful! To see how far it has come since I remember seeing it sit in the corner of the barn covered in dust is amazing!
I also wanted to thank you for your hospitality over the weekend. You know how hot it was, and it was nice for Amanda and Brooke to have a place to relax.
Now, if only I could get one of my rides finished...
John,
Welcome to the site! It was great to have family and friends there! I think Brooke really liked our ice water spray fan! Those who knew the Daytona before the restoration are among those most surprised by the restoration! I know just the place to finish up that EV2DEMON! You know you and your family are welcome any time we don't have to meet out of town!
UNCLE JOHN
THE ENGINE!!
I intended to have the restoration story finished before the Mopar Nationals and things just didn't work out! But the things that got in the way were good! So today I am going to post about the engine. When you see these pictures you will wonder how it ever ran again! I was going to do what ever it took to get that numbers matching power plant back to life! I will start with some before pictures. The first is of the engine ready to come out of the Daytona. The second is of the engine out of the Daytona. The third is of the passengers side valve cover area. The last is of the drivers side valve cover area.
THE ENGINE PART 2!
This batch of pictures shows more of the engine before disassembly! The first picture is of the drivers side front. The second picture is of the drivers side rear. The third picture is a close up of the choke area and the last picture is of the coil area.
ENGINE PART 3!
This batch of pictures show what Troy found upon disassembly! The first picture is of the top front of the engine. The second picture is of the drivers side rocker arms. The third picture is of a passengers side intake port @#$%^&*!! WOW! The last picture is of the passengers side heat crossover port @#$&*( AGAIN!
ENGINE PART 4!
This batch of pictures show more disassembly! This engine looked like it came from out of a shipwreck! The hood had been left up a lot while the Daytona was in the salvage yard! The air cleaner acted like a funnel to get rain water down into the engine!$%^&(*! The first picture is of a drivers side intake port. The second picture is of an intake port close up. The third picture is of the short block on the passengers side. The last picture is of the short block on the drivers side. Troy told me when he took the heads off that there was still water in there even though it had been stored inside the last 20 or so years?
ENGINE PART 5!
Here are some more disassembly pictures! The first one in this batch shows what a 402 oilpan looks like when a junkyard payloader uses it to lift the Daytona !@#$%^*()! OUCH! The second picture shows the windage tray also bent up from the payloader! The third picture is of the bottom end of the engine. The last picture is of the water pump housing.
ENGINE PART 6!
This is the last batch of disassembly pictures and by now you have a pretty good idea of what shape the original engine was in! WOW! The first picture in this batch is of the waterpump itself. The last two pictures shows the sides of the block with the core plugs removed. YUK! Troy believes the Daytona was in a flood while setting on the ground because there was a stain line about half way up the starter. So rain water from the top and flood water from the bottom@^&*(! :rotz:
On my next posting will be the engine assembly! Stay tuned!
ENGINE ASSEMBLY!
Troy took the block, crank and heads to his machine shop guy and had them redone. We added hardened seats to the heads for all the differant fuels that are used now. Troy did the assembly work in house! This batch of pictures shows the 440 engine going back together. The first picture is of the fresh bottom end. The second picture is of the bottom end and now the timing cover balancer and oil pump installed. The third picture shows the nice replacement 402 pan I found installed. The last picture is with the fresh 906 heads on!
ENGINE ASSEMBLY PART 2!
This will be the last batch of engine assembly pictures for now! The rest will be with the final assembly pictures. The first picture is of the intake manifold now installed. The second picture is of the assembled long block looking at the drivers side. The third picture is of the long block looking at the passengers side. The last picture shows the valve covers and water pump installed. What a differance!
John, congrats on OE GOLD!
I sure am enjoying this thread, I can't wait to see your Daytona again.
Keep up the good work
:2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
Quote from: 70Sbird on August 20, 2010, 09:52:03 AM
John, congrats on OE GOLD!
I sure am enjoying this thread, I can't wait to see your Daytona again.
Keep up the good work
:2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
Thanks Scott! We hope to take it to more shows as my work schedule allows!
Quote from: hemi68charger on August 19, 2010, 12:49:36 PM
Way to go John & Linda !!... Great updates and pictures............ :2thumbs:
Concerning the lower backing plate-2-ball joint, I see that you have your lower castle nuts with cotter pins on the brake side of the backing plate instead of the outside against the lower ball joint....... Is that the way it's supposed to go or was there a variety of ways that bolt/nut could be installed? The reason I ask is when the time comes to rebuild the 500's front end, I want it correct....
Troy
Troy,
I had to take some pictures out by my shop this morning. So I crawled under the Daytona and took one of the passengers side lower ball joint bolts for you. I don't know when they were reversed but this is how they were when the car was judged. This is how they should be! Good eye!
Thanks! John
Quote from: Mopar John on August 20, 2010, 10:01:30 AM
Quote from: hemi68charger on August 19, 2010, 12:49:36 PM
Way to go John & Linda !!... Great updates and pictures............ :2thumbs:
Concerning the lower backing plate-2-ball joint, I see that you have your lower castle nuts with cotter pins on the brake side of the backing plate instead of the outside against the lower ball joint....... Is that the way it's supposed to go or was there a variety of ways that bolt/nut could be installed? The reason I ask is when the time comes to rebuild the 500's front end, I want it correct....
Troy
Troy,
I had to take some pictures out by my shop this morning. So I crawled under the Daytona and took one of the passengers side lower ball joint bolts for you. I don't know when they were reversed but this is how they were when the car was judged. This is how they should be! Good eye!
Thanks! John
:2thumbs: That's what I'm talkin' 'bout !!!! Story is great.. Makes me wanna go out and write the '917' and '5' on my valve covers...... ;D
ENGINE CONTINUED!
Sorry about the long delay! My computor was overloaded with all the Daytona pictures and came to a crawl! So in between work and everything else I had to delete a bunch of pictures and other items to make room for the new picture CD. I have just downloaded 300 more pictures of the final assembly dated 10-15-09! So I will continue on with the engine assembly. The first picture is of the engine masked for paint with the waterpump and exhaust manifolds now on from the front view. The second picture is a back view. The third picture is your first view of the engine painted from the front passengers side. The last picture in this batch is of the engine painted from the drivers side down low.
ENGINE PART 2!
In this batch there is more of the freshly painted 440 and parts being added! The first picture is of the freshly painted engine from the bottom. Notice the light amount of paint on this part. The second picture is of the NOS J11Y Champion plugs. The third picture is of the drivers side motor mount and spark plugs installed. The last picture is of the passengers side motor mount and spark plugs installed.
ENGINE PART 3!
In this batch of pictures you will see the engine on the hoist ready to be mated to the fresh numbers matching transmission! The first picture is from the passengers side. The second picture is from the back side. The third picture is of the fuel pump and vapor separator installed. The last picture is of the restored power steering pump and NOS chrome oil cap now on the drivers side valve cover.
TRANSMISSION!
That is it for engine pictures for now. The reason being is it will be mated with the transmission next. So I have to show you the transmission before and after before it's mated to the engine! This first batch is of the transmission before restoration. The first picture is of the driverside. The second picture is of the top front. The third picture is of the dipstick and the last picture is of the top passengers side.
TRANSMISSION PART 2!
This batch of pictures are more of the before pictures. The first one is of the tailshaft factory paint marking. The second picture is of the main case factory paint marking. The last two pictures are of the case from the drivers side and passengers side.
TRANSMISSION PART 3!
After a lot of degreasing by Troy he had to find a way to give the weathered case a fresh correct look. This took a lot of time and phone calls. Once he got it right the case and tailshaft were sent out and rebuilt by his transmission expert. The first picture is of the NOS rear seal that was installed. The second picture is of the passengers side of the case and the NOS filler tube. The third picture is of the transmission assembly ready to mate to the engine. The next batch of pictures will be of the engine and transmission back together again!
ENGINE AND TRANSMISSION ASSEMBLY!
What a differance in that transmission! This batch will show it mated to the engine and more! The first picture is of the engine and transmission bolted together from the rear view! The second picture is of the assembly from the passengers side. The third picture is of the assembly from the drivers side with the restored numbers matching and correct date code starter installed! The last picture is a close up of all the transmission lines, brackets and reverse light wire harness installed! All I can say is WOW! This assembly was now ready to be dropped in the freshly restored K member with front suspension! This is it for todays pictures! ENJOY!
STARTER!
Just a short post today! I think when you look at all these before and after pictures it gives you a general idea of what went on. But in reality it was a lot more difficult. I would like to use the starter as an example. We were very lucky that the B5 Daytona still had it's original starter or we thought. When Troy sent it and the alternator in we got the bad news that the steel barrel end was too pitted to be restored @#$%^&*()! That part has a date code on it. In addition during disassembly one of the long bolts that hold the two ends together snapped off @#$&*()@%^&* AGAIN! So I get a call from Troy and were out a starter! I crawled under my 1969 Coronet 4 door parts car and it had a newer starter. I crawled under the R4 Daytona and it's starter had been replaced#$%^&*(! So it was time to start watching EBAY and putting it on my want lists. I found a Mopar guy locally who had a fresh starter with a good aluminum snout end for $100.00. Just when time was running out Paul Jacobs again came to the rescue with a starter from his core stash that had a good barrel end also with the right date code! WOW!
So what looked easy really wasn't! It is also getting hard to find components that havn't been blasted several times and have very weak numbers and logos! My advice is start looking now if you plan on doing something like this! Looking for parts in your leasure is a lot more enjoyable than when the car is going together!
Quote from: Mopar John on September 02, 2010, 10:03:53 AM
STARTER!
Just a short post today!...
Short reply.................... Cool. :2thumbs: :icon_smile_big:
Couldn't resist John... Sorry............
THis stuff is really awesome,and I can happily admit that stuff like that makes it much easier to build a clone to my liking. Brand new stuff looks great right out of the box for the most part.
FINAL ASSEMBLY!
We'll not really! Today's pictures will show the bottom of the Daytona with everything on just before the undercoating! Our Daytona was a undercoat/hoodpad car. This first batch shows the Daytona body up on a lift with plastic covering the paint. The second picture is of drivers inner fender rear and the NOS splash shield. The third and forth pictures are more of the drivers inner fender taped for undercoating.
GETTING READY FOR UNDERCOATING PART 2!
The first picture is of the transmission tunnel. The second picture is of the passengers inner fender rear. I could not find another NOS splash shield for this side and bought an excellant used one from TEXAS ACRES. The third and fourth pictures are more of the passengers inner fender.
GETTING READY FOR UNDERCOATING PART 3!
I would like to mention here that I wasn't real happy covering all the excellant details with undercoating! The tradeoff for me is that to be correct the bottom of the Daytona wouldn't be shiny blue like many over restored cars! The undercoating would basically cover the unpainted portion of the body. This batch continues on with more undercoating prep work. The first picture is of the passengers side torsion bar mount area. The second picture is of the drivers side torsion bar mount area. The third picture is of the drivers side front leaf spring mount. The last picture is of the passengers side front leaf spring mount.
GETTING READY FOR UNDERCOATING PART 4!
Here are some more prep pictures! The first is of the exhaust hanger bracket and the rear end hose bracket. The second picture is of the rear gas tank area. The third and fourth pictures are more of the inner fenders taped off for the undercoating!
UNDERCOATING!
Here are the pictures of the Daytona body after it was undercoated! Troy duplicated what was there from the factory based on the before photos he took! The first picture is a mystery to me? The second picture is of the drivers splash shield area. The third picture is of the passengers inner fender area. The last picture is of the transmission tunnel.
UNDERCOATING FINAL!
This is the last batch of pictures showing the undercoating! The first picture is of the gas tank area. The second picture is of the passengers rear corner. The third picture is of the floor near the drivers wheel tub. The last picture is of the floor near the passengers wheel tub. ENJOY!
nother awesome instalment , good pictures ! nice work !! John thanks for sharing :2thumbs: :cheers: :cheers: :coolgleamA:
I thought you knew better than to drive the back roads during the hot summer days to Columbus John! Now ya gotta clean all that tar off the car for your next show! :smilielol: :smilielol:
Congrats on the GOLD!
:cheers:
Steve
Quote from: tan top on September 05, 2010, 05:43:28 PM
nother awesome instalment , good pictures ! nice work !! John thanks for sharing :2thumbs: :cheers: :cheers: :coolgleamA:
Glad you are enjoying it!
Quote from: XS29J8 on September 05, 2010, 08:44:14 PM
I thought you knew better than to drive the back roads during the hot summer days to Columbus John! Now ya gotta clean all that tar off the car for your next show! :smilielol: :smilielol:
Congrats on the GOLD!
:cheers:
Steve
Steve,
Now that"s funny! Thanks on the gold!
NHRA DIVISION 3 ET FINALS!
Last Saturday I switched the trailer from show car mode to race car mode. Sunday Linda and I along with my daughter Michelle, grand daughter Ashley and Michelle's boy friend Fred's son MAX went racing. It was a good day and the GTX ran good. We won the first round beating the guy who had just won " dialing for dollars " earlier. In the second round I must have spun a little and I was off on the run what my 60 foot time was off. I ran a 10.01 on a 9.96 and was off .045 on the 60 foot @#$%^&(! The great news is at the end of the day I offically qualified for the NHRA DIVISION 3 ET FINALS in INDY! They just finished up the US NATIONALS there and are tearing that down and getting ready for the LITTLE GUYS and our series! This is where the top cars from each track battle for a divisional champion! I can't wait. This weekend we are going to practice eighth mile racing! This is due to about half the tracks being eigth mile. So they alternate back and forth at the ET FINALS. This year will be eigth mile in my class PRO ET. With this, the past year has been my best in the hobby EVER!
REAR SUSPENSION AND REAR END INSTALLATION!
Now that the Daytona body was painted and undercoated it was time to install the rear suspension and rear end! The first picture in this batch shows the restored leaf spring shackles and u bolts ready for assembly! The second picture is of the passengers leaf spring with the front mounted to the body. The third picture shows the drivers side leaf spring with the front mounted to the body. The last picture is of the rear end bolted to the springs and the original restored rear shocks mounted from the top!
REAR SUSPENSION AND REAR END INSTALLATION PART 2!
The first picture in this batch shows the rear end being jacked up into place so the shackles could be bolted in out back! The second picture is of the rear end assembly and springs installed! The third picture is of the emegency brake cables being installed. The last picture is of the drivers side brake drum installed. No paint on this one since it was a full hubcap car!
REAR SUSPENSION AND REAR END INSTALLATION PART 3!
The first picture in this batch is of the passengers side drum installed. The second picture is of the passengers side suspension all assembled! The third picture is of the drivers side suspension all assembled! The last picture is a rear view of the suspension and rear end installed! WOW!
REAR SUSPENSION AND REAR END INSTALLATION FINAL!
This is the last batch of pictures I have for the rear suspension and rear end installation! The first picture is of the NOS drum washers used to keep them from falling off on the assembly line! The second picture is of the drivers side drum installed and prepped. The last picture is of the passengers side drum installed and prepped. At this point the Daytona was ready for wheels and tires and to be set on the floor! In my next post I will show the front suspension assembly and installation including the engine and transmission!
FRONT SUSPENSION WITH ENGINE AND TRANSMISSION!!
Things are really getting serious now! Today's pictures will show the front suspension along with the engine and transmission being assembled! Troy put the Daytona together similar to the way it was done at the factory when the Daytona was built! The first picture shows the K member assembly on it's dolly. The second picture is of the K member positioned for assembly. The third picture is a drivers side view of the K member along with the engine and transmission going in! The last picture is another view from the front! WOW!!
FRONT SUSPENSION WITH ENGINE AND TRANSMISSION PART 2!
The first picture in this batch is of the K member with engine and transmission going in from the passengers side view! The second picture shows the assembly installed with suspension from the drivers side. The third picture is the same but from the passengers side. The last picture is a close up view of the passengers side suspension from the back side all assembled!
FRONT SUSPENSION WITH ENGINE AND TRANSMISSION PART 3!
The first picture in this batch is another close up of the drivers side suspension assembled form the back side. The second picture is again of the drivers side even more detail! The third picture is the same view from the passengers side. The last picture is of the passengers side upper and lower control arms! That old nasty 727 pan was just to keep the dirt out until Troy got the NOS one installed later!
FRONT SUSPENSION WITH ENGINE AND TRANSMISSION FINAL!
This will be the last batch of pictures for today! The first picture is of the drivers side upper and lower control arms. The second picture is of the fuel pump area with the engine installed. The third picture is of the drivers side suspension with the torsion bar installed. The last picture is of the passengers side suspension with the torsion bar installed. Notice the factory paint daub's that were recreated on the torsion bar adjuster tabs! At this point I felt we were going to Talladega with a complete Daytona!
Excellent thread - Great pictures & story!! Nice to meet you & Linda at the Nat's and CONGRATS on the OE Gold!! :2thumbs:
Dan
Quote from: 6bblgt on September 09, 2010, 04:17:35 PM
Excellent thread - Great pictures & story!! Nice to meet you & Linda at the Nat's and CONGRATS on the OE Gold!! :2thumbs:
Dan
Dan,
It was great to meet up with you at the Nat's! We hope you achive your dream as we did!
Speaking of the Nat's, John from FIVE STAR PRODUCTIONS made an awesome 2010 SHOW CARS video there! The first 41 minutes is coverage of our B5 Daytona! If you have liked this thread this video covers the entire Daytona up on the lift, down on the ground, inside and out! John's website is: www.fivestarcarvidoes.com .
Thanks! John
MONSTER MOPAR WEEKEND!
There were several surprises at this years Monster Mopar Weekend! I didn't plan on going due to a conflict with my racing. Then I get a call from Troy Angelly and he asked if he could display our Daytona at the show? We agreed and Troy took our Daytona and Paul Jacobs took the 1970 panther pink Superbee he just finished. So for those that didn't get to see it at Talladega or the Nat's hopefully you had a chance to check it out in the ANGELLY/JACOBS display!
Quote from: Mopar John on September 14, 2010, 03:21:00 PM
MONSTER MOPAR WEEKEND!
There were several surprises at this years Monster Mopar Weekend! I didn't plan on going due to a conflict with my racing. Then I get a call from Troy Angelly and he asked if he could display our Daytona at the show? We agreed and Troy took our Daytona and Paul Jacobs took the 1970 panther pink Superbee he just finished. So for those that didn't get to see it at Talladega or the Nat's hopefully you had a chance to check it out in the ANGELLY/JACOBS display!
they both were stunning :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
Quote from: moparstuart on September 14, 2010, 03:25:18 PM
Quote from: Mopar John on September 14, 2010, 03:21:00 PM
MONSTER MOPAR WEEKEND!
There were several surprises at this years Monster Mopar Weekend! I didn't plan on going due to a conflict with my racing. Then I get a call from Troy Angelly and he asked if he could display our Daytona at the show? We agreed and Troy took our Daytona and Paul Jacobs took the 1970 panther pink Superbee he just finished. So for those that didn't get to see it at Talladega or the Nat's hopefully you had a chance to check it out in the ANGELLY/JACOBS display!
they both were stunning :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
THANKS STUART!
TRANSMISSION DETAILS!
In an earlier post on the transmission I showed pictures with the factory paint markings. In this batch of pictures I will show how Troy duplicated them after the transmission case and tailshaft were restored. The first picture is of the green paint daub on the transmission case. The second picture is of the red number 130 on the tailshaft. In the second picture you can also see the restored crossmember! The third picture is of the NOS transmission pan ready to go on. The last picture shows the NOS transmission pan installed!
FINAL ASSEMBLY PREP WORK!
This batch of pictures show more final assembly prep work going on! The first two pictures are of the latch tray. The last two pictures are a couple of the 4-28-69 date code correct wheels!
WING AND DAYTONA DECALS!
Until the nose wing and Daytona decals go on it just looks like a 1969 Charger! This batch of pictures will show the wing being prepped for paint. The first picture is of the wing center bare. The second picture is of wing center primered. The third picture is of the wing uprights being prepped. The last picture is a closeup of the wing uprights.
WING AND DAYTONA DECALS PART 2!
This batch of pictures shows the Daytona decals being applied! The first picture is of the trunk decal. The second picture is of the passengers quarter decal going on. The third picture is of the drivers quarter decal going on. The
last picture is of the drivers quarter decal installed! WOW! Now it's a DAYTONA!!
WING AND DAYTONA DECALS FINAL!
This batch of pictures show the Daytona during my October 2009 visit! You see that the wing decals are on. The wing is painted and hanging in the next room. You can see the uprights in one of the pictures. At this time the reproduction F70 X 14 tires were mounted on the freshly painted wheels. These were replaced later by 3 NOS tires and 2 correct date code low milage original tires. The Daytona is down on the ground and coming together! ENJOY!
That explains the strange guy I saw behind the wheel last Saturday. :smilielol:
Quote from: Aero426 on September 14, 2010, 06:29:02 PM
That explains the strange guy I saw behind the wheel last Saturday. :smilielol:
I thought John said he didn't go :nana:
Quote from: Aero426 on September 14, 2010, 06:29:02 PM
That explains the strange guy I saw behind the wheel last Saturday. :smilielol:
I heard that Ramo Stott said that some strange guy was behind the wheel of his Superbird also! :yesnod:
Quote from: Mopar John on September 14, 2010, 09:35:11 PM
Quote from: Aero426 on September 14, 2010, 06:29:02 PM
That explains the strange guy I saw behind the wheel last Saturday. :smilielol:
I heard that Ramo Stott said that some strange guy was behind the wheel of his Superbird also! :yesnod:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x999YWHNOF8
here he is :icon_smile_big:
John....... Nice pictures............. The car looked ( as it still does ) great............. :2thumbs:
Quote from: hemi68charger on September 15, 2010, 12:51:16 PM
John....... Nice pictures............. The car looked ( as it still does ) great............. :2thumbs:
Thanks Troy!
More assembly pictures to follow!
REAR BUMPER!
I looked at a couple of NOS rear bumpers and decided to have the original replated! The NOS ones didn't look so good after 40 years of storage! Here are a couple of pictures of the backside with the restored bumper brackets ready to go on the Daytona body!
GAS CAP!
I found an NOS flip top gas cap pretty easy! The same guy made me a deal on the optional lock for under the cap. I thought this would be good insurance! I had a real hard time finding an NOS ring for the gas cap. Again Paul Jacobs came to the rescue with one from his private stash of NOS parts! Thanks Paul!
CORE SUPPORT!
With the engine installed it was time to paint the core support black. Then Troy installed the freshly recored original date coded radiator and NOS shroud. I want to let you know that it was very difficult to find a correct core with the right fin count!
STEERING COLUMN!
Troy restored the steering column in house and it turned out great. I was able to find an NOS shift lever, turn signal lever, shift indicator assembly and a Dodge emblem for the center of the horn pad! That's it for now!
Sweeeeet!
NHRA DIVISION 3 ET FINALS!
It has been several years since I qualified for the NHRA DIVISION 3 ET FINALS in INDY. The finals are run on the same track as the famed US NATIONALS just a couple of weeks later! I have attached a picture of my 1st finals back in 1998. The GTX was sporting my old CRAGAR mags and steel rear wheels. Being a Dodge Charger. Com member I was on the lookout for any Dodge Chargers participating in the finals! Would you believe not one Dodge Charger! They must all be being restored or something? The closest I could find was a nice 1969 yellow Superbee. There were quite a few Mopars and I took a liking to MOY'S TOY! There is a picture of that car and one of our 1970 GTX with the team "O" for Osceola stickers on it in the pits!
NHRA DIVISION 3 ET FINALS PART 2!
The way the finals work is you compete as teams. So the guys you have been racing against all year are now your team mates! I have attached a couple of pictures of team OSCEOLA in the stands. Some of the ladies decorated and we were there rooting on our racers! We had two time trials on Friday and one on Saturday morning. That is where my weekend went bad! When I let go of the transbrake on the last time run the GTX didn't rev up like normal and had a bad vibration at high rpm @#$%^&*()! The GTX ran about a second slow in the eigth mile. I was done for the weekend. Word spread and I got a couple of guys to listen close to the motor when I got it started. They felt it was a miss more than a terminal bottom end problem. I pulled the plugs and number 8 was wet? I then pulled the passengers side valve cover and found the number 8 intake rocker arm broken #$%^(%^!
A fellow team member had an extra and I pulled the shaft and had the rocker installed and then we realised that the cup for the pushrod was missing from that lifter! After inspecting the engine valley we felt it must have gotten washed down to the oilpan? So it was a great team effort but I wasn't able to run. I have attached a picture of the engine with the broken rocker arm and one of the GTX in action on Friday! ENJOY!
Sorry to hear about your broken parts, hopefully no further damage was done!
Quote from: Dave Kanofsky on September 20, 2010, 11:32:24 AM
Sorry to hear about your broken parts, hopefully no further damage was done!
Thanks Dave!
I am glad it was my last event of the year with the GTX! We are going to pull the intake and that head and check everything out before we install new rocker arms and fire it up!
DOOR PANELS!
Here are a few pictures of the prep work before the door panels were installed!
SEAT BELTS!
Troy sent the seat belts to SNAKE OYL where they totally restored everything and used NOS webbing!
REAR ASH TRAYS!
All I could find were NOS ash tray bezels. Troy took the ash trays apart and had them rechromed! It all turned out great! In my next post I plan to cover the exhaust system! ENJOY!
I reference this thread more than any other on this site. Thanks for taking the time to be so detailed with information. Your project continues to be very helpful on my restoration!
Quote from: MRCHARGER on September 26, 2010, 08:06:25 PM
I reference this thread more than any other on this site. Thanks for taking the time to be so detailed with information. Your project continues to be very helpful on my restoration!
MRCHARGER,
Thanks for the kind comments! It that type of thing that makes it all worth while! More to follow!
EXHAUST SYSTEM!
I have tried for about an hour now to post this part! I will try again soon! I keep getting error messages and then the pictures have to be renamed! The exhaust system has been a pain the whole time as you will find out!
EXHAUST SYSTEM PART 2!
We'll I finally got the pictures to post so I will tell you what you just looked at! In the early eighties I was selling at the Chicagoland Mopar Connection swaps at Kohller Dodge. I would take my proceeds to their parts department and buy NOS parts for my Daytona! I had bought a complete exhaust system! When I took the Daytona and all my parts down to Paul Jacobs shop for him and Troy to look over they informed me that the H-pipe, mufflers, hangers and tailpipes were poor reproductions #$*(&*()! OUCH! The only good parts were the NOS old style chrome tips! During the restoration I hunted exhaust parts and only found a pair of NOS hangers and tailpipe clamps from Paul Jacobs and a pair of NOS chrome tip hanger cushions from Frank Mitchell! When time was running out Troy and I made a decision to order a Gardner exhaust system. They will not sell pieces! They have the best bends in their pipe when compared to the originals! When the parts arrived Troy informed me that the pipes were aluminzied@#$%^&*(! This may be good for most but not for an OE restoration! So Troy had to remove the coating for the exhaust to look correct! The first three pictures were of the H-pipe as shipped and the last one had the coating removed to look like the original!
EXHAUST SYSTEM PART 3!
This batch of pictures shows more of the exhaust system! The first picture is of the NOS hangers that I purchased from Paul Jacobs. The second picture is of the NOS tips with the correct welds on the hanger tabs! The third picture is a shot of the rear of the Daytona with the exhaust installed and the last picture is of the mufflers and H-pipe installed! Also a few points of interest here. The original exhaust manifolds were used and Troy found enough NOS parts to rebuild the heat riser! In addition to that Paul Jacobs came up with an NOS muffler after Talladega and we found a close dated mate and installed them just weeks before the Mopar Nationals! I have found one NOS tailpipe and hope to find the other and install those also! ENJOY!
:2thumbs:
Quote from: hemi68charger on September 28, 2010, 08:47:52 AM
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Troy,
You are always on top of things here!
I found a couple of pictures of the heat riser rebuild on the passengers side exhaust manifold!
DRIVESHAFT!
You will notice that in the last picture showing the exhaust system installed that there is no driveshaft! This was to make the exhaust installation easier! The first and original driveshaft was not good enough for the restoration! This was from the deep pitting that took place while the Daytona was stored on the ground in the salvage yard! Troy called me one day looking for a better driveshaft. I removed the driveshaft from the R4 Daytona and it was all original including the u-joints and all the clips. This batch of pictures will show the restoration of that driveshaft.
The first picture shows it in the press getting the original u-joints disassembled. The second picture shows all the clips and u-joint parts all disassembled. The third picture shows the clips and the factory cross tie that held the rear u-joint caps on till it was assembled in the pinion yoke. Originals with the clips they hook on to are getting hard to find! The last picture is a close up of the original u-joint bodies. The driveshaft tube was sent to REDI-STRIP and derusted and then polished and reassembled. This is the driveshaft that was in the Daytona at Talladega. Some time after that a fellow forum member offered me an NOS driveshaft!
DRIVESHAFT PART 2!
Here are some pictures of the 40 year old NOS driveshaft. It was cleaned up and installed before the Mopar Nationals! You will see the original factory grease pencil mark and the original rear joint with cross tie! The protective cardboard sleeve was still on the transmission yoke!
WINDSHIELD!
All the glass in the Daytona is original with correct logo's and date codes except the winshield. The original windshield had one chip that could have been repaired but was clouded around the edges. A new replacement was purchased through Dave Walden's ECS with correct logo's and date codes! I have attached a couple of pictures showing the installation! There is also one of it installed with the Talladega track ready decal! ENJOY!
John,
looking forward to seeing you and Linda at Churchill Downs this weekend.
We have the Daytona loaded and ready to go.
Brent
Brent,
Looking forward to spending some time with you and Sherri this weekend! We are picking up our Daytona at Troy's shop on the way down in the morning! The weather outlook is good and should be a great event! I have emptied the chip in our camera!
John
I am so ready for a nice weekend.
Looking forward to seeing you both and having some fun at Churchill.
Camera will be ready
Have a safe trip.....see you tomorrow.
2010 LOUISVILLE CONCOURS D'ELEGANCE!
Back at our first show with the Daytona in 2009 Talladega we met artist David Snyder. During our conversation on Tim and Pams front porch he asked Linda and I if we would show our Daytona at the 2010 Louisville Concours D'Elegance? I asked him if he thought the Daytona was worthy? He said yes and that he would have to nominate us for this show. Then we would be sent an application and have to fill it out and send it in with a couple of pictures of the Daytona. I did this in May and they were to pick the entries by August! We got our acceptance letter back a week later! A week ago Thursday we left at 5am for Troy Angelly's shop for a visit and pick up the Daytona. All went well and we loaded up and headed for Louisville! About 50 miles out on a steep grade a guy in a Jeep is pointing back at the trailer? Linda looks in her rear view mirror and sees smoke coming off the trailer tires@#$%*(! I pull over real quick! I didn't want that tire to catch fire and burn the trailer and or the Daytona! I have attached a picture that Linda took of me changing the tire. She said it only took me about 10 minutes! I am glad I had a good spare, lugwrench and jack! There is also a picture of the shredded tire!
The rest of the trip went well and we dropped off the trailer in the secure lot at the show. We then checked into the hotel and went to the Friday night BBQ. It was a good time with great food! Saturday we slept in and after lunch we went out to the show and checked things out. I went over all the lights on the Daytona and fixed a problem. We then went back to the hotel to get ready for the big Saturday night GALA. This was a cocktail hour followed by a fancy dinner and auction! Linda had a surprise for me! She had bought a new dress for the dinner! The attire was suits for the guys and cocktail dresses for the ladies. When Linda opened her garment bag she was shocked! She had brought the WRONG dress@#$%^&*()! WOW! Luckily the one she brought was the original one for the gala! I have attached a picture of Linda in her dress by a ROLLS ROYCE and another of me all cleaned up in the Churchill Downs courtyard at the start of the cocktail party!
CONCOURS PART 2!
At the end of the cocktail hour the official trumpet player for the Kentucky Derby played his famous " CALL TO THE POST"! This was our signal to go up to Millionares Row for dinner! We had an awesome dinner and desert with live entertainment. The dinner was followed by an auction to support the Brooklawn Childrens charity. The first item was the use of a Rolls Royce for the Kentucky Derby weekend. This also included a traditional hat for the winning lady. I have attached a picture of the trumpet player who came out on the balcony and the model with the auction hat. Sunday morning we got up early and checked out. We had to have the Daytona ready to go on the show field at 8am. I had to drive through a tunnel under the horse race track that had some water in it!@$%! They must be used to this and had boards down so the cars wouldn't get all messed up! We followed the fine staff to our show area and set up. We were in the Aero Warriors class. There were 3 Daytonas and 3 Superbirds! I have attached a picture of the class banner and the Aero Warriors.
Sounds like a great weekend John, thanks for more photos on a great thread :2thumbs:
Quote from: Bob T on October 09, 2010, 04:32:40 PM
Sounds like a great weekend John, thanks for more photos on a great thread :2thumbs:
Thanks Bob!
Here are a few more pictures from the weekend. There was a fashion show where they drove the models up on stage in various classic cars. The models would get out and walk the run way and then be driven off and the next would drive up. I have pictures of a couple and one was brought on stage by a very nice 1970 Dodge Charger R/T possibly a member here? Speaking of models there is a picture of our own Sherri Evans in her DERBY hat by her and husband Brent's Daytona! The last picture is of the crystal trophy's that they gave out!
VENT WINDOW ASSEMBLIES!
Finally back to the restoration! This batch of pictures will be on the vent window assemblies. I have heard many horror stories about guys sending the assemblies out for plating and them coming back in pieces! If you have never done this or don't have the right stuff it can be a nightmare! When Troy got the parts back from Paul's Plating he reassembled them and installed the vent glass. These pictures show the vent window frames being assembled and ready to install in the Daytona doors!
MISC ENGINE COMPARTMENT PARTS!
Soon I will post a picture of the engine compartment and go around and explain all the parts. In this post I will go over some parts that can't be seen in that picture. First up is the pressure side power steering hose. Troy cleaned up and used the original hose. I have apicture of each end. Next is the NOS fuel hose clamps. There is a picture of them loose and one showing the fuel line coming in to the fuel pump.
MISC ENGINE COMPARTMENT PARTS 2!
Next up would be the original Prestolite horns. I have a few pictures of them unrestored with the B5 overspray from Creative on them and one of them cleaned up and bead blasted. I can't find the one of them painted? SORRY!
MISC ENGINE COMPARTMENT PARTS 3!
In this batch of photos you will see one of the top radiator hose. Troy was able to clean up the originals and just repaint the part numbers! You can spot originals fairly easy since they have more texture to them than the repros and later made hoses! Next up is the fan and clutch. Troy bought an NOS clutch in Carlisle! It was one of the most expensive NOS parts I purchased for the restoration! There is a picture of it with the sales tag still on it! The original fan blade was tweaked and Paul Jcobs came up with a NOS one of these! The last picture shows all the parts installed on the engine. You can also see the restored alternator. I will post some pictures of it next!
MISC ENGINE COMPARTMENT PARTS 4!
The original date coded alternator was also sent to DIXIE restorations. They did a complete restoration and I have attached front and back view pictures! You can see in the pictures where they saved the original 69 casting dates on both halves also! When I post again it will be a tour of the engine bay going over the parts one by one! Stay tuned!
ENGINE BAY TOUR!
The first picture is of the engine bay with most of the restored/NOS components installed! The next picture is of the restored Prestolite horns. In this picture you will also see the NOS horn relay that I purchased from Jim maxwellwedge on this site. All the hood bumpers are nos and may not show up in the pictures. I got the 2 front round ones from my friend Rod at the local Chrysler dealer who is restoring a 1970 Charger R/T! The 4 side hood bumpers came from an EBAY auction and the back 2 came from Doug Schellinger areo426 on this site. Next we move on to the NOS washer bottle and pump. I have attached a couple of pictures of these also. The correct washer bottle has the cap latch facing forward. The newer superceded ones have the cal latch at the back! I am still looking for NOS washer hoses. The one from the bottle to the T on the cowl is 7/16 and the ones from the T to the nozzles are 5/16. I found out I was going to bid on a roll of the smaller 5/16 against hemigeno and I didn't and he won the auction and is supposed to get me enough to do our Daytona. So I am still looking for the 7/16 and the part number is 2197650 if anyone knows where there is any?
ENGINE BAY TOUR PART 2!
The next item up is the heater box to firewall nut/washers. I purchased some repros when I was working on our Superbird from Totally Auto. They looked right but they wern't. They didn't have the grippers on the back side of the washers! If they have the grippers you can see waves in the washer from the stamping process on the outside!
At the time I was buying parts from Paul Jacobs and asked him where I could find these nut/washers and he told me to get my originals replated! So I took all the extras I had and took all the ones off all the cars and had Paul get them replated. They came out great and the best of about 20 were used on the Daytona! These are very commonly replaced with the wrong hardware! Next up is the ballast resistor. I couldn't find an NOS one with the right part number so Troy restored the original! He took it apart and had the strap replated! I have a couple of pictures of the restoration attached! Next up is the engine grond strap. I purchased this nos from Paul Jacobs along with a NOS transmission filler tube and dip stick! The next item is the NOS date coded voltage regulator. Again this was purchased from Paul Jacobs. This one has the correct date code and is the correct yellow paint for 1969.The last item in this batch is the starter relay. For the longest time I couldn't find an NOS one with the correct date code! So Troy took the original apart and had the housing replated. But in time for Talladega I found an NOS one from Bill Rolik! I have attached a picture of the original.
ENGINE BAY TOUR PART 3!
I skipped over the wiper motor. The original was restored by Jules The Wiperman! He normally does 3 speed wipers but had an ad on Moparts that he had enough parts to do 20 2 speed wiper motors! I sent him an e-mail that I was sending one in and had Troy ship it. The results are fantastic! Next up is the wiring. Troy restored all the original wire harnesses and got the few missing tags from ECS. Next is the heater hoses! These are special to me! Just before the Mopar Nationals Paul Jacobs told me he had a set of assembly line NOS heater hoses. He said that if I wanted to purchase them for the Daytona they were mine! I had to get them because then almost every hase was original or NOS! I have attached a close up picture of these hoses and you can see the 5 grooves that are cut into the hose! Speaking of NOS hoses I found an NOS radiator overflow hose also! It was on E-BAY and came from the country of Peru? The seller claimed they made the rubber hoses there at one time? I have attached a couple of pictures of this hose and it has the original 7 ribs molded into it!
ENGINE BAY TOUR PART 4!
This will be the last pictures for tonight! The first picture is looking down at the assembly line oil filter. The second picture is of an original air filter on the base and then a later stye stacked on top so you can see the differance! Both of theses rare items were also purchased from Paul Jacobs!
OE GOLD CERTIFICATE!!!
Today I had planned on posting more about the engine bay but I have something way more important! In todays mail Linda and I received our OE GOLD certificate from the Mopar Nationals for our Daytona! When we were lined up in the winners parade at the Nats all we got was an empty frame#$%^&*()_! We were told a sealed non reproducable certificate would follow later. Later it was, about two months! I have attached a picture of the certificate and it reads that we earned 2197 points out of a total possible of 2250 points! To achive GOLD you needed 97% or 2182.5 points. We were also supposed to get a judges summary to see where we lost points. That did not come today@#$%^&*(! ENJOY!
Quote from: Mopar John on October 23, 2010, 02:20:40 PM
OE GOLD CERTIFICATE!!!
Today I had planned on posting more about the engine bay but I have something way more important! In todays mail Linda and I received our OE GOLD certificate from the Mopar Nationals for our Daytona! When we were lined up in the winners parade at the Nats all we got was an empty frame#$%^&*()_! We were told a sealed non reproducable certificate would follow later. Later it was, about two months! I have attached a picture of the certificate and it reads that we earned 2197 points out of a total possible of 2250 points! To achive GOLD you needed 97% or 2182.5 points. We were also supposed to get a judges summary to see where we lost points. That did not come today@#$%^&*(! ENJOY!
awesome stuff MJ :cheers: :yesnod: :coolgleamA:
Thanks tan top! Today I will try and finish the details of the engine compartment! The first picture is of the original coil before and the second is after it was relettered. Next up are a couple of pictures of the restored carburetor!
The first picture is of the drivers side and shows all the detail in the assembly. NOS items in this picture include the stud for the throttle cable, the throttle cable along with the cable holdown and nut! The second picture shows all the detail on the passengers side! I was able to find NOS carb H bolts and Paul Jacobs had a set of NOS bolts for the intake manifold! I also bought about 30 NOS H bolts from an E-BAY auction for the water pump and housing!
MORE ENGINE BAY TOUR!
This batch of pictures will be about the distributor! The first two pictures are of the original distributor before it was restored! The first picture shows the outside. I was lucky in that the original date coded part number tag was still there and in good shape. The second picture is looking down at the top of the distributor. The next two pictures are of the same parts disassembled during the restoration!
ENGINE BAY TOUR PART 2!
This batch of pictures shows some of the NOS parts used in the distributor restoration! An original NOS Mopar tune up kit was used. I was also lucky and found an original NOS distributor cap!
ENGINE BAY TOUR PART FINAL!
Here are the last couple of pictures of the engine bay! The first picture shows the spark plug boots on the passengers side of the engine. We have not found a correct NOS set of date coded plug wires so we purchased a repro date coded set. Then Paul Jacobs came up with a set of NOS plug end boots to make the wires more correct!
On the other side of the engine not pictured are NOS plug wire shields! The last picture is of the front of the carb and shows a pair of NOS carb idle screw caps! These are usually discarded by now and very hard to find! These were brought to my attention when the Daytona was on display in INDY by Dan C500 on this forum. Shortly after that show Paul found a pair of these and we installed them before the Mopar Nationals! Other NOS parts not mentioned previously include the correct long finger radiator cap, negative battery cable, engine oil filler cap, fuel vapor separator and firewall clutch rod hole cover! That's it for today! When I return I plan on covering more nosecone assembly! ENJOY!
FLAT TRAILER TIRE PART 2!
The part that I didn't tell you is that when Linda and I dropped the back door on the box trailer at Louisville on Saturday before the show we had a surprise! There were little white paint chips on the trunklid of the Daytona@#%^&*())! When we had the flat tire and had to get off to the side of the interstate in a hurry the trailer must have bounced around and so did the Daytona! I strap the rear of the car on the axle and the body is free to move. The combination of this let the ramp door flap come into contact with the wing#@$%)! Linda asked me what do we do now with the show being tomorrow? I said all we can do is find a parts store and buy some white touch up paint! We drove around Louisville and found a NAPA auto parts store. We went in and found just what I was looking for and touched up the nicks in the wing! When I installed my new tire on the wheel I heard a small leak. After checking it was coming from a cracked valve stem? After I took the old but destroyed tire off I found no evidence of a puncture? So I wonder if the valve stem is what let the tire loose air and get hot?
Some lessons learned that I want to share with other wing car owners. First if your wing is close to the trailer door use something to keep it from moving around. I have installed hooks on both sides to do this. I have attached a picture. I have talked with others and a flat trailer tire can also rip up the fender and wires that control the brakes. The worst case senario is for it to get real hot and start on fire! I always have a fire extingusher in the race car but none in the Daytona! I have purchased a good auto fire extingusher and now carry it when hauling the Daytona! The last thing I want to mention is that I scrubbed a couple of those toll booth islands with the passengers side trailer tires and that also may have been the cause of the flat! The tires are not made for driving on the sidewalls!
Just trying to help others avoid a disaster!
MUSCLE CAR AND CORVETTE NATIONALS!
This past weekend we were invited to display the Daytona as part of the Chicagoland Mopar Connection display at the Muscle Car and Corvette Nationals in Rosemont, Illinois. About a week after Louisville I called Troy Angelly and told him about the show and asked him if he could repair the paint on the wing in time for the Rosemont show? He said yes and Linda and I removed the wing and took it down to his shop! A week ago Friday we hauled the Daytona down there and had Troy install it on the Daytona! We were not going to take any chances with the show so close! I have attached a couple of pictures of the Daytona in the display on the show floor. I have also attached a picture of 426 Linda posing as another famous Linda with the giant size Hurst shifter! Since the Daytona was going to be there and they were going to do Concours type judging I decide to enter the Daytona. We did well and recieved another GOLD certification with 984 points out of 1,000. I have corrected a couple of items since the Nats and am learning how to prep the Daytona better for judging! Doug ( PETTYBIRD ) told me how clean the organisol taillight panel and keep it looking good as an example! I learned more at this show and should do better again next time!
MUSCLE CAR AND CORVETTE NATIONALS PART 2!
There were three other wing cars at this show! The only Daytona sold new at Mr. Norms dealership in Chicago was there! It is a rare R6 red Daytona. It was there as display only! There was another Daytona in the lobby! It was the long time Cal Anderson T5 HEMI 4 speed Daytona. It was at the Mopar Nationals this year and has since changed hands to an owner out west for a reported $500,000. I am told that the car has a warranty block and maybe that and the economy has held the price down? Last was a Superbird in the lobby that was a twin to ours except it was a 4bbl car. I have attached some pictures of the wing cars for your viewing pleasure!
more intresting stuff MJ , good pictures :yesnod: see that MR norms Daytona is missing the windshield pillar aero mouldings :scratchchin: wonder if that was how it was delivered :shruggy: :scratchchin: :popcrn:
If I may,Does the dist cap have printing cast into the top of the cap ?
Not doubting it, but I can't say I've ever seen a production line cap that wasn't smooth (rule only applies to the single point cap. as the dual point 2585000 cap should have ' made in usa ' cast in the top .
it looks like the date on the box is 27th week of 1976 , which would make sense as thats about when they started showing up was the mid 70's
Yet, I have several of the smooth caps in what appears to be 37th week of 1977 boxes.
so,,,,,,maybe I'm wrong
ps, the black 1970 Charger is,,, I believe Bill Fahey's car. member TX9charger , 440 six pack 4 speed , black ext and burnt orange interior
Just curious, but what kind of tires are you running on your trailer?
John,
You have a beautiful and very correct car. I'm puzzled at how you didn't receive a perfect 1000 points like the Red Charger from The Finer Details. After all, after seeing this thread, it's obvious you have all NOS date coded parts on your car. The Charger was merely a lesson in reproduction parts and had many small items that were incorrect.
Are there politics involved here or what???
Quote from: tan top on November 23, 2010, 04:18:36 AM
more intresting stuff MJ , good pictures :yesnod: see that MR norms Daytona is missing the windshield pillar aero mouldings :scratchchin: wonder if that was how it was delivered :shruggy: :scratchchin: :popcrn:
tan top,
The Mr. Norms daytona does have some controversy sorrounding some of it's details! In addition to the windshield pillar aero mouldings there is an R/T emblem on the tail panel and a 1968 knob on the console mounted auto shifter??
Quote from: gtx6970 on November 23, 2010, 07:12:34 AM
If I may,Does the dist cap have printing cast into the top of the cap ?
Not doubting it, but I can't say I've ever seen a production line cap that wasn't smooth (rule only applies to the single point cap. as the dual point 2585000 cap should have ' made in usa ' cast in the top .
it looks like the date on the box is 27th week of 1976 , which would make sense as thats about when they started showing up was the mid 70's
Yet, I have several of the smooth caps in what appears to be 37th week of 1977 boxes.
so,,,,,,maybe I'm wrong
ps, the black 1970 Charger is,,, I believe Bill Fahey's car. member TX9charger , 440 six pack 4 speed , black ext and burnt orange interior
gtx6970,
The Daytona has a single point distributor. The cap in the picture is a sore subject and long gone! When we first got the Daytona running and were fighting some gremlins we discovered that the distributor cap had a crack in it@#$%^&*()! I paid good money for that NOS cap but had it too long to return it! I have kept all the boxes for a NOS display in my shop some day and have taken a better picture for you.
Thanks! John
Quote from: learical1 on November 23, 2010, 10:21:22 AM
Just curious, but what kind of tires are you running on your trailer?
learical1,
I am running Goodyear Marathon 8ply D rating tires that were made in Canada. Never had any problems till this flat. I have put alot of loaded miles on them this year!
Quote from: clownin mopar on November 23, 2010, 10:28:09 AM
John,
You have a beautiful and very correct car. I'm puzzled at how you didn't receive a perfect 1000 points like the Red Charger from The Finer Details. After all, after seeing this thread, it's obvious you have all NOS date coded parts on your car. The Charger was merely a lesson in reproduction parts and had many small items that were incorrect.
Are there politics involved here or what???
clownin mopar,
If you were there and saw both cars I will let you be the ultimate judge of the two cars! With that said I will give you a little insight. That show had several hundred very nice cars that had to be judged in about 6 hours! They had many teams of judges with various backgrounds and experience. They same judges did not do the red 68 Charger and my 69 Charger Daytona?? So right there were some variations. I left the judges alone and let them give me their opinion of my Daytona. I don't think it was the same scenario during the judging of the 68 Charger? When the judges started I asked them some questions 1) would you like to see the original broadcast sheet? NO!
2) Would you like to see my list of NOS parts used during the restoration of this car? NO! So, it is my opinion that the judges didn't care about NOS parts and reproduction parts were ok! At the 1,000 point level I would have expected differant! One last comment here. The Finer Details is a major sponsor of that show! It is no coincidence one of their cars was in the entry lobby and they had the big display right when you walk in!
Both at the Mopar Nationals and at this show the bulk of the deductions were for DUST! That is why I made the statement that I was getting better at getting the Daytona ready for judging! Some of the deductions at this show were dust in the ash tray, dust in the radio speaker grille and dust between the letters in the CHARGER emblems on the roof pillars! I had cleaned the CHARGER emblems on the roof pillars with q-tips and 100 psi air before the show! But in a quick wipe down before the judging some show floor dust got in there!@#$%^&*()!
Mopar John
John just a little FYI.I went back through the pics and I saw where you had your car tied down.I noticed that you had your rear straps straight.I make it a point to always cross my straps.It helps to keep the car in place.I noticed that you said that you had troublr with your car moving around.Not trying to tell anyone how to do it.That is just how I do it
Quote from: jonw29 on November 23, 2010, 01:22:13 PM
John just a little FYI.I went back through the pics and I saw where you had your car tied down.I noticed that you had your rear straps straight.I make it a point to always cross my straps.It helps to keep the car in place.I noticed that you said that you had troublr with your car moving around.Not trying to tell anyone how to do it.That is just how I do it
jonw29,
Thanks for the tip! The moving around is the rear part of the body going up and down. The rear axle and tires stay put along with the front that I secure around the strut rods and sway bar.
Thanks! Mopar John
Quote from: Mopar John on November 23, 2010, 12:52:45 PM
Quote from: tan top on November 23, 2010, 04:18:36 AM
more intresting stuff MJ , good pictures :yesnod: see that MR norms Daytona is missing the windshield pillar aero mouldings :scratchchin: wonder if that was how it was delivered :shruggy: :scratchchin: :popcrn:
tan top,
The Mr. Norms daytona does have some controversy sorrounding some of it's details! In addition to the windshield pillar aero mouldings there is an R/T emblem on the tail panel and a 1968 knob on the console mounted auto shifter??
i see R/T on the tail lamp panel :scratchchin: intresting
thanks for the info MJ :cheers: :2thumbs:
John, sent you a PM.
Very, very nice John!
Getting dinged for dust is just plain silly - like the plants and Creative were Clean Rooms or something.
Wow - you got your cerificate a lot quicker than I did - they must be improving.
I have a few NOS single point caps if you need one.
There is no doubt in my mind that horn relay put you over the top! :lol:
Nice job - Congrats.
Jim,
Thanks for the kind comments! Yes, that NOS horn relay did help and is a very visable part under the hood! I did make some improvements over the Mopar Nationals. I did get some areas cleaned up that I got dinged for there. I spent a lot of time working on all the wheel wells and cleaning Alabama and Louisville road grime! I also did some improvements on the air cleaner. For some reason I did not get one of those "DO NOT WASH OR OIL" decals on the air cleaner? I bought an NOS one and had it on for this show. I got a picture of an original decal from another member. I will attach a picture of the original and a before and after of mine. There was another problem with the air cleaner at the Mopar Nationals. The reproduction hood pad by REM must be a little thicker than the original or not molded the same? When the hood is closed and the engine running it scuffed my NOS air cleaner pie tin !@#$%^&*! So I bought another one and only put it on when it is at a show with the hood up! I don't know if you can make out the scuff marks of the tin in the pictures?
Mopar John
MORE ON THE MUSCLE CAR NATIONALS!
Sunday morning I was speaking with fellow Daytona owners John and Alice Rizek when Linda informed me a guy had been waiting to speak with me? I excused myself from John and Alice and went over to talk with this fella. He informed me that there was a magazine for sale in the swap area that I might be interested in? So we walked over there and he dug it out for me. The magazine was the November 1969 issue of CAR LIFE. He opened it up to the article he wanted to show me. It is black and white but when you do the math it is a good chance that my Daytona might be the one in the article? First off a non Hemi Daytona. Next a medium color non SE with white wing and white sidewall tires with the same wheel covers? Could be? After I decided to buy the magazine we spoke for some time and I found out that I was speaking with Cal Anderson. Yes that Cal Anderson who owned the T5 Daytona for 27 years that was out in the lobby of the show and recently changed hands again! He was floored when I told him that I had one of his NOS driveshafts in our Daytona! I bought it from R/TSE4SPEED who bought it from Cal years ago! We spoke about Daytonas for quite a while and I was glad I met him and that he took the time to show me the article! I was in that booth the day before and bought an original 1969 Charger dealer brochure. Most brochures are of the full line and I had been looking for the Charger only one! Sometimes it pays to go to a non Mopar only show! I have attached photos of the magazine with the Daytona article and the Charger brochure!
ANOTHER MUSCLE CAR NATIONALS FIND!
While walking the swap meet Sunday afternoon I came across a table with old "DODGE NEWS MAGAZINE" on the table? There were about six of them. So I started looking through them and I found two with Daytona articles! The first issue was dated August 1969 and had a Daytona feature in the Performance report! The second issue was dated December 1969 and had a Daytona article from Scat City! I have attached some pictures of these also! Like I said in the last post it was good to go through a swap at a non Mopar only show! ENJOY!
GREAT HOBBIEST AWARD!!
I am giving this to Jim ( MAXWELLWEDGE ) on this site! He read about my distributor cap during my engine compartment story. He sent me a PM and within a couple of days he had another crack free NOS distributor cap at my door step! I have attached a picture of the box and new NOS cap! This cap is already on the Daytona and I will use the replacement cap as a spare! THANKS JIM! :2thumbs:
Cool! Whats the trophy look like? ;D
Glad to help John - You and everyone else on this site are all good people (Even Stuart who keeps threating to move in and drink all my beer) and I like to help whenever I can.
Others (Geno) have helped me so I am paying it forward!
Use it in good health!
Jim
Quote from: maxwellwedge on December 08, 2010, 12:14:12 PM
Cool! Whats the trophy look like? ;D
Glad to help John - You and everyone else on this site are all good people (Even Stuart who keeps threating to move in and drink all my beer) and I like to help whenever I can.
Others (Geno) have helped me so I am paying it forward!
Use it in good health!
Jim
for the record i dont want your beer just your cars DAD !!!!
I think I have that car life mag I have the other daytona magazine stuff.Theres a similar daytona in magazine with surfboard same wheel covers.I had 2 of those 69 charger full catalogs .Makes one big charger picture as seen on top left.And other daytona memorabilia
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e67/75414/100_2899.jpg)
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,19685.0.html
http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e67/75414/daytonatuneupad.jpg
http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e67/75414/daytonascoopsused.jpg
http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e67/75414/daytonamagazines.jpg
http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e67/75414/daytonaads.jpg
http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e67/75414/daytonabelts.jpg
http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e67/75414/chargerbooks.jpg
Hey Jim how different are the old Accel caps from factory? I found a couple of them here, and they're plain on top like the one shown.
Quote from: pettybird on December 08, 2010, 04:50:34 PM
Hey Jim how different are the old Accel caps from factory? I found a couple of them here, and they're plain on top like the one shown.
They are not 100% but they are the best 2nd choice.
Quote from: maxwellwedge on December 08, 2010, 12:14:12 PM
Cool! Whats the trophy look like? ;D
Glad to help John - You and everyone else on this site are all good people (Even Stuart who keeps threating to move in and drink all my beer) and I like to help whenever I can.
Others (Geno) have helped me so I am paying it forward!
Use it in good health!
Jim
Jim,
The trophy from the Muscle Car Nationals was a very nice one made out of crystal! I have attached a picture of it for you. The awards ceremony was very well organized! They read about 10-12 awards at a time and when you went up for your trophy you also were presented a large window type envelope. Inside was an official certificate along with a copy of your judging sheets! You knew right then and there how the judges scored your car and what points were deducted for! I have also attached a copy of our certificate.
Congrats John! :2thumbs:
Quote from: nascarxx29 on December 08, 2010, 02:32:16 PM
I think I have that car life mag I have the other daytona magazine stuff.Theres a similar daytona in magazine with surfboard same wheel covers.I had 2 of those 69 charger full catalogs .Makes one big charger picture as seen on top left.And other daytona memorabilia
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e67/75414/100_2899.jpg)
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,19685.0.html
http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e67/75414/daytonatuneupad.jpg
http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e67/75414/daytonascoopsused.jpg
http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e67/75414/daytonamagazines.jpg
http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e67/75414/daytonaads.jpg
http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e67/75414/daytonabelts.jpg
http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e67/75414/chargerbooks.jpg
Dave,
Great collection of wing car materials there!
FINALLY MORE ON THE RESTORATION!
I have been so busy with remodeling and the shows I havn't had time to wotk on this story. Next up was the nosecone! I have attached some pictures for your viewing pleasure! The first is the painted nosecone with the headlight holders installed! I had about 25 of these and we picked the ones with the freshest looking galvanizing!
The next picture is of the original General Electric 1969 date coded headlights. I have found a few more high beams but the low/high are rare! The next picture is a close up of the back of an original 1969 headlight. You can see the SAE69 printed on the headlight! CAUTION! If you should be lucky enough to find any of these the ink has turned to powder!!! I wiped one off and the date code went with it@#$%^(! The last picture is of the NOS headlight rings. I had 2 at the time of restoration and 2 very nice used. The other 2 were replaced with NOS just before the Mopar Nationals! ENJOY!
MORE ON THE NOSECONE ASSEMBLY!
The next items to go in were the NOS grille screen and frame! I was lucky to find these from Doug aero426 when he was selling extra parts off! I have attached a picture of them installed. Then it was time to install the parking lights! I thought I was going to have to settle for NOS lenses but Chet Greenwood had a NOS parklamp assembly for sale. He also was able to find a mate! WOW! I have a picture of the NOS assemblies and then another close up of the grille with them installed! The last picture is from the back after all the above parts were installed! ENJOY!
Hi John, how is Cal, I have not talked to him for so long. When I first read his name I thought, it might be him & was surprised when it was. Is he still working at the Dodge dealer, think I lost his number a while ago. I do have some headlights out of a 21,000 mile 69 GTX in the shop. Can look on the back to see if the numbers are still their, if you are interested. Great job on the car & the trophy is beautiful. :2thumbs:. Anyhow you & Linda have a Merry Christmas & a happy & safe New Year.
Jeff,
Cal is well and doing fine! We talked so much about the Daytonas at the show we never got to the employment thing. Thanks on the Daytona and trophy! You and your family have a great holiday season! I think we are lucky as we both still have our jobs. When you get a chance take a look at the headlights and let me know what you find! Remember not to wipe the dust off@#%^&*)!!
John
A FEW MORE DETAILS ON THE NOSECONE ASSEMBLY!
When I was checking all the electrical items out I discovered that the original parklamp bulbs were painted orange and not orange colored glass! The NOS parklamp bulbs were this way also! I was able to buy a couple extra originals off Moparts recently. These are very noticable when the lights are on! Next up is the front license plate bracket. I was lucky to have one of the originals! I have a picture of it before restoration. The next picture is of the bracket bead blasted. The third picture is of it primered and ready for paint! I don't have a seperate picture of it painted and hope it's in one of the finished trunk shots? The last picture is the most important! This is a detail that is often missed or not done correctly. That is the mounting studs in the nosecone for the license plate bracket. Most reproduction nosecones do not have these! In addition many quick repair jobs just welded these holes shut! I think these studs are the same ones used to attach the front spoiler!
Here is a better picture of the nosecone license plate bracket mounting studs!
Quote from: Mopar John on December 10, 2010, 11:46:54 AM
When I was checking all the electrical items out I discovered that the original parklamp bulbs were painted orange and not orange colored glass! The NOS parklamp bulbs were this way also! I was able to buy a couple extra originals off Moparts recently. These are very noticable when the lights are on!
Creative's workers were "supposed" to change out the 9419780 (1157A) amber bulbs rated at 12.8V inside the turn signal housings for 9423295 bulbs (117NA) rated at 14V -- "This substitution required to meet P.F. Federal Lighting requirements". My new turn signal assemblies had the 9419780 1157A standard bulbs that were used for the '69 Valiant. Between those two bulbs, I doubt it makes much difference either way since both are rated at 32 candlepower.
Geno,
Good to hear from you! Do you know if the differance between 1157A and 117NA is the painted vs the orange bulb glass that I mentioned? It would seem to me that the orange glass would give off more light. I am curious now and will have to check the parklamps in the R4 Daytona and see if those are original and if they were swapped out? I doubt if the Creative guys took the time to change many bulbs out!
Thanks!
I read today that the "NA" suffix means "Natural Amber", and I have seen other bulbs with that same NA suffix which were amber glass (i.e. not painted). What the difference between Natural Amber and just plain-old Amber is beyond me.
It'd be my guess that the painted bulbs you found are modern replacement bulbs (and sorry excuses for replacements, at that). Probably cheaper for the workers in Taiwuzbekadesh to apply paint than tool up to make amber glass.
Whether Creative's guys took the time to follow Chrysler's conversion instructions is an interesting question. They may have been more inclined to follow the bulb replacement instruction, since a Federal Safety Standard was involved. The same set of instructions also says that the headlight wiring harness (not the hoses, just the cloth-wrapped wiring harness itself) was supposed to be routed through the battery cooling hole rather than going up-and-over the radiator yoke with the vacuum lines. We know how most cars' wiring was routed - the easy way right alongside the vacuum lines. However, a couple of early-converted cars I've seen do have the harness routed through that hole like it was "supposed" to be done. There is actually a slotted hole present on the air seal which covers the battery cooling hole for the express purpose of allowing the wire to pass through - it just didn't get used very often.
1157NA - Natural Amber were more money than the painted lamps (1157A). I used to sell them in 10,000 lots back in the late 70's.....It was a cost issue - some wanted to offer the cheaper lamp in addition to the Natural Amber glass lamps.
If you need detail on front license plate good pictures of stencil part number
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,62669.msg699323/topicseen.html#msg699323
OK, will let you know.
1157A (painted) were used in alot of mopars originally, until sometime around 69 when the 1157NA (amber glass) came out, which was much brighter. I have come across a lot of 67-69 NOS, and low mileage, parking light assemblies over the years and most had 1157A painted bulbs. They are very hard to find nowdays.
something else is every original 1157 or 1156 series bulb I've seen had a brass base , as opposed to all the modern replacement bulbs have a steel base and don't seem to hold up as well
Quote from: gtx6970 on November 23, 2010, 07:12:34 AM
ps, the black 1970 Charger is,,, I believe Bill Fahey's car. member TX9charger , 440 six pack 4 speed , black ext and burnt orange interior
Crazy part about Bill & his Charger, he drives the car every where. He's made a screen for the front of it to catch the bugs. I have friends with nice cars that won't even drive them across town & he goes all over the country.
http://classicautobulbs.com/vintage.html
These bulbs right they have brass bottom
http://www.connectorsupply.com/catalog/automotive-light-bulb-size-1157-amber-p-35.html
Are there period correct amber bulbs with colored glass? It's the modern way to do it, but even old crusty parts store packages I've seen have painted globes. Was this a choice by Mopar or did they have no option?
Dave,
Thanks for the chart from Classic Auto Bulbs! That was very helpfull! It is what I had thought on the painted VS the colored glass. I have attached a picture of 2 bulbs that I have purchased recently. At the time I thought they were the correct ones. The next picture is of the original parklamps with the lenses off from the B5 Daytona. It looks like creative did what they were supposed to and change the bulbs! So at this point I think the colored glass would be correct for Daytonas but I'll bet some of the original Valiant bulbs made it out of there! I would like to thank everyone for there comments on this topic!
Mopar John
426 LINDA WINS MOPAR LEADING LADY AWARD!
About 10 days after the Muscle Car Nationals show I got a phone call from one of the officails looking for Linda? I told her that she wasn't home. She told me that our Daytona had the highest Mopar score with a lady on the entry! She told me that if I could prove Linda's ownership with either the title or registration that Linda would win the award!! I then explained Linda's nick name of "426" and her birthday of April 26th and she felt they had found the right woman for the award and I agree! So, I kept this a secret and Linda's own crystal trophy arrived a couple of days ago! She was caught completely by surprise and happy! I have attached a picture of her trophy!
WHAT HAPPENED TO MOPAR JOHN?
After the Muscle Car Nationals were over and we were done with showing the Daytona for now I promised Linda that I would finish the bathroom remodeling by Christmas! I started this project just after Christmas last year! All I had left to do was the new marble shower. I was working hard but things kept happening! First it was a huge winter storm that dropped 18 inches of snow here at the southern tip of Lake Michigan! We had as much as a 4 foot drift in the driveway and I missed my first day of work in about 10 years! I have a couple of pictures of the driveway before and after. So I lost a couple of days digging us out. I no sooner get started on the bathroom again and we have an ice storm! I worked until 3am that morning and when I pulled in my driveway someone had spun out and ran over our mailbox#$%^&*()! The pole was broke off and the box took off like the space shuttle after it drops the fuel tanks! The box landed in the driveway where I almost ran it over! So a couple of more days buying a new pole and box and digging a hole in the frozen ground! I have attached a picture of this disaster also! Next up is the shower and then back to the Daytona restoration!
I AM FREE!
Last Tuesday a Mopar friend of mine who is a laid off plummer came over and flushed the lines and put the sprays and trim on the new shower! It was now complete! My next project was to finish the drywall out in the shop where I had a new door put in so I didn't have to move 3 cars to get 1 out! I have attached a couple of pictures of our new shower! Next up will be the Daytona headlight actuators!
DAYTONA HEAD LIGHT ACTUATORS!
When I last posted on the Daytona restoration I was going over all the parts in and on the nosecone! This post will be about the headlight actuators and hardware. In a previous post we discussed the differances between the 1968 and 1969 actuators with the 1969 ones having magnets to keep the lights from bouncing going down the road! I have attached a couple of pictures of the actuators after they have been bead blasted for the start of therestoration process. Next is a couple of pictures of the attachement plates before and after bead blasting! In my next post I will show the restored actuators!
DAYTONA HEADLIGHT ACTUATORS PART 2!
The first picture in this post is of the restored headlight actuators with the plates on and ready for installation! The next picture shows an original unrestored next to one that has just been restored! The picture doesn't do the restoration justice! The originals had like a red varnish type finish on them and Troy did a great job duplicating this finish! Both of my Daytonas still had this finish on the bottom of the actuators! I have another picture of one from the R4 car where you can see this finish! All the used ones that I have seen are down to the raw metal and pitting depending on the driving/storage conditions! Also the NOS ones are finished in black paint! Next up will be the original headlight vacum hose fittings!
DAYTONA HEADLIGHT VACUM HOSE FITTINGS!
In this post I will cover the original Daytona headlight vacum hose fittings. These were often broken and replaced with all kinds of fittings. On the B5 Daytona I was lucky to have a full set of originals! I want to warn you here to be sure you heat up and soften the hoses before you try and remove them from the fittings! The first couple of pictures are of the original vacum hose fittings. They were originally white and faded to a yellowish color over the years! The last picture shows them in the vacum hoses. I have not been able to find any NOS fittings and Jeff 69RTSE4SPD on this site machined me an extra straight fitting for my R4 Daytona! Thanks Jeff! Next up will be the nose to hood seal and the front valance! ENJOY!
The NOS actuator brackets#341236. I had and a white part number here is a reference picture :Twocents:
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e67/75414/6bf30a62.jpg)
DAYTONA NOSE TO HOOD SEAL!
I was able to buy an NOS hood to nose seal thanks to Doug AERO426 on this site! I have attached a couple of pictures. The first picture shows the old seal, the attachment bracket and the NOS seal laid out for assembly. The second picture shows the seal assembled and on the Daytona! Notice the small rivits and large attachment rivits! While I'm discussing seals, we were able to save and use the original nose to fender seals! The reproduction seals are not the same in size and shape! They are also missing the little mold line where the Daytona seals were made longer than the 1970 Charger seals! I have attached a couple of picture of the seals before Troy restored them!
DAYTONA FRONT VALANCE!
I don't have a lot of pictures of the front valance to share. The first two pictures show each side of the valance during the body work stage. The third picture is of the valance in primer and ready for paint! The last picture shows a view with the valance installed on the Daytona body!
Good Stuff John.... :2thumbs:
FRONT SIDE MARKERS!
Before the front valance was installed on the Daytona body the front sidemarkers were installed! The first two pictures show an inside view of the sidemarker assemblies installed left and right sides. The last two pictures are of the NOS assembly line red and amber 4 section reflectors that I was lucky to find! When I post again it will be about the restoration of the jacks! ENJOY!
Quote from: hemi68charger on January 24, 2011, 02:53:50 PM
Good Stuff John.... :2thumbs:
Thanks Troy! I hope to stay with it. I don't have much more till I'm done with the restoration! I do have a couple of items to share of interest in trying to upgrade/improve the Daytona after the restoration was complete!
Mopar John
Quote from: Mopar John on January 24, 2011, 03:01:47 PM
Quote from: hemi68charger on January 24, 2011, 02:53:50 PM
Good Stuff John.... :2thumbs:
Thanks Troy! I hope to stay with it. I don't have much more till I'm done with the restoration! I do have a couple of items to share of interest in trying to upgrade/improve the Daytona after the restoration was complete!
Mopar John
I hear ya, it's never done....................
DAYTONA JACKS!
As we all know the Daytonas came equipped with 2 jacks! The standard bumper jack to be used on the rear bumper or under the front valance when in a hurry taking off parts! The other jack is a scissors type for under the front frame rails to raise the front of the Daytona without damaging that rare sheet metal! When I bought our Daytonas the trunk was pried open and the scissors jack was missing out of the B5 Daytona but the date coded bumper jack was there. The trunk was bent but not opened on the R4 Daytona and it still had both original jacks! WOW! We used the original bumper jack for the B5 restoration and the original scissors jack and handle for the R4 Daytona. The first picture attached is of the original scissors jack before restoration. The second picture is of the original handle being worked on. The third picture is of the scissors jack after bead blasting and the last picture is of the bumper jack base after bead blasting.
DAYTONA JACKS PART 2!
With the jacks all bead blasted and prepped it was now time for paint! The first picture is of the scissors jack painted and drying! The second picture is of the bumper jack being painted and the third picture is of the jacks all finished and ready for installation in the Daytona! WOW!! When I post again it will be about the Daytona up and running and going in for alignment! ENJOY!
Thanks for taking the time and effort to detail your restoration. I'm finding each update to be invaluable.
What is the 2nd straight bracket for (with the slotted holes)?
t's interesting to see that the inside of the nose cone is painted black, but the insides of the fenders and valance are primer.
Slotted hole bracket not used on daytona .As the bumper jack is secured by floor bracket and spring on the left side .A superbird and some other b body where bumper jack is behind the spare used that bracket to secure bumper jack to trunk floor :Twocents:
John - How come they didn't take the bumper jack apart to paint it?
I just did mine last week. painted the mechanism first. Then slid the mechanism to the top and painted most of the post with the siver paint, then slid the mechanism down and painted the rest of the post. It turned out nice in the 2 diff. colors. Would you have to split the jack or grind down the tabs on the post to seperate the 2 pieces?
Quote from: Richard Cranium on January 27, 2011, 06:09:40 AM
Thanks for taking the time and effort to detail your restoration. I'm finding each update to be invaluable.
What is the 2nd straight bracket for (with the slotted holes)?
t's interesting to see that the inside of the nose cone is painted black, but the insides of the fenders and valance are primer.
Richard,
You are welcome! I am sharing my story for all to see the road traveled! It's not as easy as it looks! Also with our Daytona being in storage for most of it's life I wanted to share the items commonly deteriorated or replaced. One item recently pictured was the headlight actuators that were originally a red varnish looking color.
I will reply about the jack hold down piece in the next post.
Thanks! MJ
Quote from: nascarxx29 on January 27, 2011, 11:12:57 AM
Slotted hole bracket not used on daytona .As the bumper jack is secured by floor bracket and spring on the left side .A superbird and some other b body where bumper jack is behind the spare used that bracket to secure bumper jack to trunk floor :Twocents:
Dave is exactly right on this one! I don't know how that non Charger B Body jack hold down got in with the Daytona jack parts? I tend to group things together in boxes for stoarge and laying flat in a corner it may have slipped through? It will go to good use on the Superbird. I have attached two pictures. The first picture is of the jack hold down bracket in my 1970 GTX. You will notice a button that sticks out for that slotted piece to slide over. The little wing nut then goes through the other threaded hole and secures the jack base and hold down! The second picture is of a Charger hold down and notice no button to slide that slotted piece over! Also there is no threaded spot for the wing nut to thread into! That is because the jack has the hook as part of the lift mechanism and won't sit flat under the spare tire! So the jack is stowed on the drivers side from the top of the wheel tub down to the floor at the back and the slotted piece is not used!
Mopar John
Quote from: maxwellwedge on January 27, 2011, 12:17:10 PM
John - How come they didn't take the bumper jack apart to paint it?
Jim,
Time is the only thing I can think of? We were days from picking up the Daytona for Talladega and the jacks at one point were not going to be in the Daytona or unrestored. I know Troy was out in the shop several nights long after his help went home for the day trying to get as much detail into the Daytona as possible!
Mopar John
ALIGNMENT DAY!!
With the Daytona just about finished it was time to take it for an alignment! We didn't want to go to Talladega and have something BADD happen at speed! The first picture shows the Daytona being backed out of the shop for the first time under it's own power! WOW! The second and third pictures are of it out in the driveway headed for the trailer! The last picture is of the Daytona driving up the trailer ramp!
ALIGNMENT DAY PART 2!
The first picture of this batch shows the Daytona now in the trailer! The second picture is of the Daytona over at the alignment shop on the rack looking at the passengers side. The third picture is up on the rack looking from the back. The last picture is of the drivers side. Troy uses this shop for all his alignments. They have a technician that has the experiance and specs to align the older cars correctly!
HUBCAPS!
With the alignment done and the Daytona back at the shop it was time to put the hubcaps on! I was able to purchase 3 NOS hubcaps from Valley Vintage Auto and the 4th NOS one from Frank Mitchell! The first picture in this batch is a close up of the hub area. The second picture is of the tire/wheel. The tires at the time were repros and were later replaced with 3 NOS and 2 correct original low milage tires! The third picture is of the back side of one of the NOS hubcaps. The last picture is a close up of the label that was on the back of the hubcaps.
THE DAYTONA IS READY FOR TALLADEGA! WOW!!!
We'll folks it's taken me longer to do this story than it took Troy to restore the Daytona! This is it! The last of the pictures! The first picture is the first picture to be taken of the Daytona completed before Talladega! It is parked outside Troy's shop with the next Daytona to be restored there! The second picture is another of the completed Daytona@#%#$!!!!!!!! You know the rest of the story about Talladega since I jumped ahead to tell about that!
At this time I would like to thank my wife Linda for the support and financial comitment to the restoration! Also thanks to Troy and Eli Angelly and Paul Jacobs for a killer restoration resulting in several high awards. Thanks to the Schellinger family for the club to keep the interest in these cars going along with all the rare parts! To all the folks who helped with the parts many from this forum! Speaking of this forum, thanks for giving me a place to tell my story!
WHAT'S NEXT?
We'll, I will have a couple of posts on some things that happened after shows were over! After that will be current events and the upcoming restoration of our EK2 orange 440 six pack Superbird! Our goal is to have it finished for Talladega 2014!!
Need a extra nos hubcap
http://www.collectorsautosupply.com/query.asp?section=WHEELS&year=0&make=Chrysler
D COR, DART 68-69 DOME TYPE "DODGE DIVISION" WHL COVER W/ 14" (SA 2881763) 2881764 NOS 0 $180
As Don Meredith would say "Turn out the lights the party is over."John I enjoyed the story and the restoration.When does the next one start. :lol:
:notworthy:
Great story John - Enjoy that baby!!!
That finished the blue car .When s the red car getting started
Quote from: nascarxx29 on February 01, 2011, 10:40:39 PM
That finished the blue car .When s the red car getting started
and the superbird
Quote from: nascarxx29 on February 01, 2011, 12:55:15 PM
Need a extra nos hubcap
http://www.collectorsautosupply.com/query.asp?section=WHEELS&year=0&make=Chrysler
D COR, DART 68-69 DOME TYPE “DODGE DIVISION” WHL COVER W/ 14” (SA 2881763) 2881764 NOS 0 $180
Dave,
Thanks for the lead on the extra NOS hubcap! They show a quantity of 0 now and will have to check and see if one is actually available. Recently I picked up an extra NOS center of EBAY!
Mopar John
Quote from: jonw29 on February 01, 2011, 01:05:57 PM
As Don Meredith would say "Turn out the lights the party is over."John I enjoyed the story and the restoration.When does the next one start. :lol:
Quote from: moparstuart on February 02, 2011, 08:49:05 AM
Quote from: nascarxx29 on February 01, 2011, 10:40:39 PM
That finished the blue car .When s the red car getting started
and the superbird
Guys,
The next wing car out of our stable to be restored is our EK2 440 six pack Superbird! That way we will have one of each done! We have been saving up the funds and buying parts! The appointment at Troy Angelly's shop is this coming November! It will not be a rush job like the Daytona! We want it finished in time for the next Talladega reunion in 2014!
Mopar John
Quote from: nascarxx29 on February 01, 2011, 10:40:39 PM
That finished the blue car .When s the red car getting started
Dave,
As I posted above our Superbird is next! The R4 red Daytona has come a long way with all the parts that were purchased and restored during the B5 Daytona restoration. Right now our plan for the R4 Daytona is a complete restoration with a panther pink paint job, white stripe and interior. We are also planning a set of repro recall wheels and just maybe a late model 6.1 SRT type HEMI. We will put the matching numbers engine and trans in storage!
Mopar John
Quote from: hemi68charger on February 01, 2011, 01:36:14 PM
:notworthy:
Troy,
You followed the story as much as anyone!
Thanks! Mopar John
Quote from: Mopar John on February 02, 2011, 02:02:00 PM
Quote from: hemi68charger on February 01, 2011, 01:36:14 PM
:notworthy:
Troy,
You followed the story as much as anyone!
Thanks! Mopar John
As they say, "How could I not?".... Maybe I'll have the same thing for the 500 one day............
MORE NOS???
With the Daytona restoration finished I've been asking myself can I make it even better? Don't get me wrong here, the Daytona turned out way better than we ever had imagined it would. We found a lot of rare NOS during the short time it was being restored! I couldn't beleive all the Rare NOS and assembly line NOS that was found 40+ years later! So I decided that if I did find a nice NOS part that could replace something reproduction that I would try to buy it! Recently I bought an NOS power steering belt part number 2951202. When I received it, it looked more like the Quanta reproductions than the original power steering belt off the Superbird. So I contacted Quanta and asked them if there were any differances between their reproduction belts and the originals? They replied with a big no! You can't tell the differance! So I posted a thread on Moparts and got several responses. The one that really set the reproductions apart from the originals was from Paul Jacobs. Paul told me to weigh the used original and then weigh the Quanta reproduction I used and then weigh my newly aquired NOS? belt. Here are the results:
worn out original - 3.2oz
known Quanta - 2.8oz
Newly aquired NOS? - 2.8oz
I stacked up all three with the original used in the middle and took a couple of pictures for the Moparts post. I will attach them here also! As the reproductions get better this type of thing known or not known is going to happen more often!
On a related note does anyone have a picture of an original Daytona 2806216 alternator belt? I have been told two differant versions of what is correct? The first version is that they should be a heat stamped number like the power steering belt discussed above? The second version is that they were starting to use the painted on part numbers at that time and they are also correct?
Thanks! Mopar John
My cars original belts .I chalked them to get better pictures (http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e67/75414/daytonabelts.jpg)
You also had a least two vendors Goodyear and Gates.
Here is the P/S belt on my 69-1/2.
Quote from: nascarxx29 on February 11, 2011, 11:47:31 AM
My cars original belts .I chalked them to get better pictures (http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e67/75414/daytonabelts.jpg)
Dave,
Thanks for the picture of your 2 original belts chaulked up! A very good reference for us!
Quote from: maxwellwedge on February 12, 2011, 10:03:14 AM
You also had a least two vendors Goodyear and Gates.
Here is the P/S belt on my 69-1/2.
Jim,
Thanks for your photo also! Yours looks a lot more like the Quantas!
Mopar John
MY JAMMED PACKED MOPAR WEEKEND!!
With us being short handed at work this past weekend was a rare Saturday and Sunday off! I had it jammed packed full of Mopar activity! Friday morning I filled up Linda's Durango with parts for the CMC ( Chicagoland Mopar Connection ) winter swap on Sunday! I switched vehicles on the way to work. Saturday Linda and I headed up to Rob Brombackers place close to Detroit to pick up the rear glass for the R4 Daytona! If you remeber we had switched the Daytona back glasses for Talladega and after Rob polished the original B5 glass we switched back. I had the R4 glass with us at the Mopar Nationals and when Rob came down to check out the Daytona I asked him if he would take the other glass with him and polish it. He said yes and finished it about a week and a half ago! WOW!! Is all I can say because it came out flawless! While at Rob's we inspected more glass to be polished for the up coming EK2 Superbird restoration! I took all my correct date coded glass and we went through it. Rob now has the best of it to polish! We also discussed his 1968 Coronet R/T restoration and many other NOS parts. In our discussion he asked me if I had any CORRECT spark plugs? I told him I had a set of original Champion J-11Y's in the B5 Daytona. He then brought out a set of 8 still in the original CHRYSLER/CHAMPION box spark plugs!! He told me that he could spare a set and I gladly agreed to buy them! Just another more correct piece of the puzzle! When Rob and I were done Linda and I headed for home. About an hour towards home is one of our favorite restaurants called Schulers. We stopped there for a nice dinner and agreed with the busy weekend it would be our VALANTINE dinner! We got home around 9pm and I unloaded the parts and put the back glass still wrapped where it belongs in the window plug of the R4 Daytona! I have attached a picture of the glass back where it belongs! I have also attached a couple of pictures of the NOS Chrysler/Champion spark plugs! Enjoy!
MY JAMMED PACKED MOPAR WEEKEND PART 2!!
Sunday morning we were up at 4am ( ouch! ) to make it to Chicago for the 6am vendor set up at the CMC swap! The Durango was already loaded since Friday and we were on our way! No problems and set up went very smooth! Right off the bat I sold a $300.00 dollar part and was feeling good about the swap! Then my good friend Don Bishop stops by my space and informs me that he brought his original B Body floor along!! Don had done some plumbing for Linda's new bathroom and I told him that I didn't want to put an AMD reproduction floor in the Superbird if I didn't have to! He then tells me he has an original floor that he would sell me! WOW@#%^&! He was supposed to call me when he got it out and let me know the condition. He got busy and didn't call but knew I would be at the swap and brought it along! We'll I bought his trunk floor and he delivered it this morning. I have attached a picture of it setting in my shop! While in Don's swap space I spot some NOS disc bake pads. You guessed it, they fit the Superbird! So I bought those also! Now here is the BIG NEWS! When I was buying all the NOS from Doug AERO426 on this site for the B5 Daytona I had asked him about his NOS Superbird fenders. We came to an agreement several weeks ago and I mailed him a deposit and agreed to meet at the swap! Doug is from the Milwaukee area and this was about a half way point! No shipping worries! Doug arrived with the NOS Superbird fenders as promised and I paid him the rest of what I owed and loaded them for the trip home in the Durango! I have attached a picture of them at home safe and sound with the NOS nose cone! WOW! What a weekend! Linda and I stopped at our favorite hamburger diner on the way home and took it easy last evening! With all the Superbird activity starting to take place I updated the name of my post to include the Superbird!
Mopar John
WHAT DID THE JUDGES MISS?
A good friend was over looking at the Daytona and during our conversation he asks, What did the judges miss?
Here is one of those items! At the Mopar Nationals and the Louisville Concours D' Elegance the judges checked out all the lights. In both cases there was a judge watching what was done in the Daytona and another watching for the correct light to activate. I had noticed that when the dimmer switch was turned all the way up and clicked that the dome light didn't come on with the door closed #$%^&*()! All the switches were NOS or restored and worked perfectly at Talladega! Some where along the line the dome light switch quit functioning! At both shows the judge wanted to make sure I wasn't flipping a toggle switch under the dash or something and held the door open. So when the dome light switch clicked it was good enough and I was relieved! About this time I saw an ad on Moparts for a Devin Duke who repairs these switches. I contacted him and sent him all my extra parts. He restored a switch and sent it back. I reached up under the dash and pulled the correct plug off and put it on the new switch and it didn't work either! :brickwall: So now maybe it isn't the switch after all? I crawled under the dash and removed the switch in the Daytona. What a job curled up under there trying not to mess anything up! I then got out my original repair manual and studied the wire diagrams. I then got out a small battery charger and started testing! After becoming very familiar with these switches I came to realize something else was wrong? I then got a piece of wire and put one end in the dome light connector and went to ground with the other and the dome light came on? After a few more tries I decided that it was probably a bad connection in that plug! After cleaning it up I reinstalled the original switch and it works perfectly now! So I now have a good spare dimmer switch and working dome light! I have attached a picture of what it looks like under the dash when your twisted up underneath there trying to get a couple of tiny screws out without swallowing it when it falls down in your face!
Mopar John
ORIGINAL DEALER ITEMS!
During my search for more NOS I was able to find some original dealer items! The first item is a Dodge dealer used car flag that was hung on the antennas of the used cars out on the lot! The second item is a pad of window stickers also for the used cars when they were having a sale. These would have the sale price and payment info. The last item is a double sleeve made of plastic. One part is clear and the other has the white and red Dodge logo? I am trying to figure out what this was used for or what part of a car it was slid over? If you have any ideas let me know.
Thanks! MJ
OIL CHANGE DECAL!
Recently I was also able to purchase an original dealership oil change decal from a retired mechanic. In the day these were attached to the back side of the drivers door. Now days they use a clear cling on that is usually placed up on the inside corner of the windshield. I have attached a picture of the NOS decal and another of the R4 Daytonas door with a couple of the original oil change stickers still in place!
Good finds :2thumbs: :2thumbs: I found a Plymouth Troubleshooting contest pennant.I tried to get a set of tools the guy had from the trouble shooting contest.I do have a vintage hatcher mills Scat pack jacket.And My plaster Joe Higgins dodge safety sheriff
(http://i975.photobucket.com/albums/ae240/Wingcars69/safetysherriff.jpg)
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e67/75414/pennant2.jpg)
Quote from: nascarxx29 on March 11, 2011, 10:31:03 AM
Good finds :2thumbs: :2thumbs: I found a Plymouth Troubleshooting contest pennant.I tried to get a set of tools the guy had from the trouble shooting contest.I do have a vintage hatcher mills Scat pack jacket.And My plaster Joe Higgins dodge safety sheriff
(http://i975.photobucket.com/albums/ae240/Wingcars69/safetysherriff.jpg)
I was actually in the Plymouth AAA trouble shooting contest in Iowa circa 1989. My certificate still hangs in the office at the shop. I still say we would have won if it werent for the fact that the gave us a faulty tps to replace the defective one we diagnosed on the car. The accidentally gave us a bad one and when it was all said and done there was nothing to be done. They said sorry about that and we went home in 3rd place instead of winning it all.
:2thumbs: :2thumbs: I wasnt aware they did it into the 80-s.You always see the lines of 69's with troubleshooters competing
But found it was going on in 1979 .I would think all the memorabila trophys and watches etc are collectible now
http://brucewalz.com/ptsc1979.html
Not too long after I graduted a friend of mine did it and it was Ford and AAA then.
I know it's been a long time since I posted here but I just wanted to let you know that I really enjoyed the article on your Daytona in the new issue of Mopar Collector's Guide! As soon as I saw a blue Daytona under the words "rescued from an impound lot" I had a hunch it was your car. Congratulations!!!
Quote from: Black Charger on March 16, 2011, 02:35:38 AM
I know it's been a long time since I posted here but I just wanted to let you know that I really enjoyed the article on your Daytona in the new issue of Mopar Collector's Guide! As soon as I saw a blue Daytona under the words "rescued from an impound lot" I had a hunch it was your car. Congratulations!!!
Thanks on the Daytona being in this month's Mopar Collectors Guide! The pictures were taken shortly after the awards ceremony at the Mopar Nationals. MCG had some other Daytona articles to run and wanted to spread them out. There were the vinyl top Daytonas and then the mod top Daytona also! We are glad that it finally made it in! For those who have followed my story on this post there will not be much that you don't already know! In case you don't subscribe to MCG I have attached pictures of the cover of the issue it's in and the article!
MJ
Very cool John - Congrats! :cheers:
Awesome John... Good spread.... :2thumbs:
Congrats to you John and Linda on the magazine spread!
Congrats John - Have you had the phone call from In The News yet? :lol:
Quote from: Mopar John on March 22, 2011, 12:59:17 PM
Quote from: Black Charger on March 16, 2011, 02:35:38 AM
I know it's been a long time since I posted here but I just wanted to let you know that I really enjoyed the article on your Daytona in the new issue of Mopar Collector's Guide! As soon as I saw a blue Daytona under the words "rescued from an impound lot" I had a hunch it was your car. Congratulations!!!
Thanks on the Daytona being in this month's Mopar Collectors Guide! The pictures were taken shortly after the awards ceremony at the Mopar Nationals. MCG had some other Daytona articles to run and wanted to spread them out. There were the vinyl top Daytonas and then the mod top Daytona also! We are glad that it finally made it in! For those who have followed my story on this post there will not be much that you don't already know! In case you don't subscribe to MCG I have attached pictures of the cover of the issue it's in and the article!
MJ
great stuff John :2thumbs: :coolgleamA:
Congrats on your MCG story. :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
Thanks to all on the kind words on our Daytona magazine article! :2thumbs:
MJ
Quote from: maxwellwedge on March 23, 2011, 09:12:54 PM
Congrats John - Have you had the phone call from In The News yet? :lol:
Jim,
It's funny you mention " IN THE NEWS" ! This is how we first found out the magazine was out and that our Daytona article was in it! Yes, they have called several times trying to get us to purchase one of their article displays. I have received a letter from another company with a similar product and no pricing info? I havn't really decided what to do yet other than buy a few extra copies of the magazine.
MJ
ANOTHER GOOD GUY ALERT!
A while back I was browsing for Daytona NOS on EBAY and came across a bulk roll of windshield washer hose! Thinking that HEMIGENO ( Gene Lewis ) may be after the same item I sent him an e-mail to make sure we wouldn't bid each other into outer space on the item. Sure enough he was watching the hose and going to bid on it! I told him I wouldn't bid on it if he would sell me a length for my Daytona. There was enough hose to do 4 cars by my measurements. Gene agreed and won the auction at a reasonable price. Gene is a very busy guy with this site, restoring several cars and his buisness. He sent me an e-mail that he shipped the hose and after a couple of weeks I checked back with him and I should have had it? I contacted UPS and they said it was delivered to the back porch? I started a search and found it out in the snow! Yesterday I finally had a chance to install it on the Daytona! This NOS hose has a yellow color code stripe on it so I put it stripe side down just to avoid controversy. I took a picture of it and some repro hose side by side. If you can make out the details there is a big differance in the ribbing molded into the hose! HEMIGENO NEVER CHARGED ME FOR THE SHIPPING OR MY PORTION OF THE HOSE!
THANKS! MOPAR JOHN :2thumbs:
No problem John - just "paying it forward". Lots of folks have helped me out a ton too.
I'm just glad that UNPS (United Neanderthals Parcel Service) didn't destroy it in the process of getting it to you. They seem to be pretty good shots, though - to sling that envelope out the window as they drove by and getting fairly close to the back porch is tough for most folks.
BTW, it looks good on the car!!!
:cheers:
Oh - and something else I've been meaning to follow up on:
:coolgleamA: so the windshield washer hose does have a yellow stripe :o always wondered as mine had a very faint yellow stripe after i cleaned the original with laqurer thinner :scratchchin: never got an answer to this before :coolgleamA: though someone might just cut a length of vacume hose , cause the original was split
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,20905.0.html
sorry for the sort of hijack MJ :cheers:
Quote from: hemigeno on March 31, 2011, 01:06:00 PM
No problem John - just "paying it forward". Lots of folks have helped me out a ton too.
I'm just glad that UNPS (United Neanderthals Parcel Service) didn't destroy it in the process of getting it to you. They seem to be pretty good shots, though - to sling that envelope out the window as they drove by and getting fairly close to the back porch is tough for most folks.
BTW, it looks good on the car!!!
:cheers:
Oh - and something else I've been meaning to follow up on:
Geno,
Thanks for the picture! I now have proof of the origin of the hose documented!
MJ
Quote from: tan top on March 31, 2011, 05:24:30 PM
:coolgleamA: so the windshield washer hose does have a yellow stripe :o always wondered as mine had a very faint yellow stripe after i cleaned the original with laqurer thinner :scratchchin: never got an answer to this before :coolgleamA: though someone might just cut a length of vacume hose , cause the original was split
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,20905.0.html
sorry for the sort of hijack MJ :cheers:
tan top,
I don't consider it a hijack but another verification of the proper washer hose! I am still looking for the hose that goes from the pump to the "F" fitting. It is slightly larger than the nozzle hoses. Did you clean that hose and find a differant color stripe on it as it is of a differant size?
Thanks! MJ
the double sleeve plastic---- dodge special bag??? my bet it was just closed in and held by top of door glass and used to hold papers or discount sale price card? :Twocents:
IF SUPERBIRD IS STILL TOGETHER AND RUNNING? WHY NOT LEAVE IT AS A OLDER RESTO AND NOT SO GREAT WEATHER CAR FOR RUNS AND OUTING??
AND AS THE RED DAYTONA IS 4 TIMES RARER THAN A SUPERBIRD AND NOT SEEN OUT AND ABOUT FOR MANY ,MANY,MANY ,YEARS,RESTORE IT OR CUSTOM PINK PAINT IT AND SHOW THE 2 DAYTONAS? :Twocents:
GREAT LOOKING B5 AND GTX RACE CAR ,ALL THE BEST ON THE BUILDS AND ENJOY SEEING WING CARS LIVE AGAIN.
Quote from: djcarguy on April 09, 2011, 06:26:45 AM
the double sleeve plastic---- dodge special bag??? my bet it was just closed in and held by top of door glass and used to hold papers or discount sale price card? :Twocents:
IF SUPERBIRD IS STILL TOGETHER AND RUNNING? WHY NOT LEAVE IT AS A OLDER RESTO AND NOT SO GREAT WEATHER CAR FOR RUNS AND OUTING??
AND AS THE RED DAYTONA IS 4 TIMES RARER THAN A SUPERBIRD AND NOT SEEN OUT AND ABOUT FOR MANY ,MANY,MANY ,YEARS,RESTORE IT OR CUSTOM PINK PAINT IT AND SHOW THE 2 DAYTONAS? :Twocents:
GREAT LOOKING B5 AND GTX RACE CAR ,ALL THE BEST ON THE BUILDS AND ENJOY SEEING WING CARS LIVE AGAIN.
djcarguy,
Thanks for all the feedback! The Superbird had some questionable body work by me many years ago! If you go way back to the start of my story you will see pictures of patched quarter panels and an Imperial hood turned upside down for a trunk floor! At least it was all MOPAR! I have collected a lot of NOS and great used for this project also. In addition when the Daytona was being restored I came across the NOS Superbird nosecone. We were running low on money so I sold the original cone and rubstrip off the Superbird to buy more Daytona NOS. So now I'm committed to restoring it and doing it right this time! Hopefully we will get to the red Daytona after that and have them all done? You never know what life will throw at you? Thanks!
MJ
Quote from: Mopar John on April 12, 2011, 10:56:01 AM
... You never know what life will throw at you? Thanks!
MJ
No truer words spoken........ Well,, ok,,, written !!!! :icon_smile_big:
Quote from: Mopar John on April 06, 2011, 07:16:57 PM
Quote from: tan top on March 31, 2011, 05:24:30 PM
:coolgleamA: so the windshield washer hose does have a yellow stripe :o always wondered as mine had a very faint yellow stripe after i cleaned the original with laqurer thinner :scratchchin: never got an answer to this before :coolgleamA: though someone might just cut a length of vacume hose , cause the original was split
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,20905.0.html
sorry for the sort of hijack MJ :cheers:
tan top,
I don't consider it a hijack but another verification of the proper washer hose! I am still looking for the hose that goes from the pump to the "F" fitting. It is slightly larger than the nozzle hoses. Did you clean that hose and find a differant color stripe on it as it is of a differant size?
Thanks! MJ
sorry for the late reply MJ just seen this ! ,
yes the washer jet to jet & to the " F "is thinner
F to pump
that had /has got a yellow stripe & is exact match for head light vacuum hose !! pulled another F to pump hose off a (unrestored under the hood )! but rotted out 318 69 charger being parted 21 years ago that had yellow/amberish stripe to it also :yesnod: :shruggy: :scratchchin: :popcrn:
MORE NOS!!
Recently a fellow member to this site "johntpr" sent me an e-mail about an EBAY auction with some B7 blue NOS seatbelts. He knew that I am always looking for any NOS that would enhance the Daytona. I was lucky to win the auction at a very reasonable price! I thought I was bidding on just two pieces but when they arrived it was both halves in each bag or four pieces! Even better! I have attached a couple of pictures and am wondering what the 1969 - 2 means. Is this a date code of February 1969 or an application number for a 1969 2 door? Now that I have started this journey if any one would know of any other NOS B7 blue seat belt parts out there be sure to e-mail me or send a pm!
I also recently purchased an NOS Charger passengers door skin! I found it on this site in the for sale forum! I purchased it for two reasons 1) insurance if we should ever get hit in that door! 2) If you go back in this story you will see where the doors were cut to remove internal rust in the corners and I want to be safe on that issue as well!
Mopar John
John, if it's a similar dating system to that used on (what's left of) the original seatbelts in my 1970 Challenger R/T SE (spd 109), in your case it would indicate 2nd quarter of 1969.
Glad it worked out for you John.
I agree ...2nd quarter 1969.
KENTUCKY DERBY TODAY!
Linda and I just finished watching the Kentucky Derby today! It brought back a lot of memories from the Louisville Concours De' Elegance that we participated in last fall. I have attached some pictures from the event. We were able to spend some time with the head bugler there. The first picture shows him playing the tradional call to the post from the balcony. On this day it let us know it was time for the dinner gala! The second and third pictures are of Linda and I with him! The last picture is of our Daytona on display with the main grandstand in the background!
FRONT VALANCE SIDE MARKER OPENINGS??
I had a question by Mark ( Richard Cranium ) on this site about the Daytona lower front valance side marker openings. He noticed that the placement is not the same from side to side. So while I was out taking some pictures I took a close up of both sides of an original front valance. There is a placement differance from side to side! I wonder if all the repros are made with this offset?
MJ
Quote from: Mopar John on May 14, 2011, 06:17:23 PM
FRONT VALANCE SIDE MARKER OPENINGS??
I had a question by Mark ( Richard Cranium ) on this site about the Daytona lower front valance side marker openings. He noticed that the placement is not the same from side to side. So while I was out taking some pictures I took a close up of both sides of an original front valance. There is a placement differance from side to side! I wonder if all the repros are made with this offset?
MJ
Thanks John,,,, Now I have to go look at mine !!!! :2thumbs:
I see on one side refelector is closer to the back .Will check my daytona when new pictures.They even sometimes had the reflector upside down .Chalk it up to random workmanship :Twocents:
(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b229/Annie75414/daytonaorig2.jpg)
The way it is stamped on the panel is different from side to side.
TRIP TO GATLINBURG TENNESSEE!
This past week Linda and I made a short trip to Gatlinburg. On the way we stopped off at Troy Angelly Restorations to drop off some parts and pick up some parts. We also confirmed the November time slot to drop off the Superbird. It's a go and not that far away#$%^&*()!
While there we checked out all the cars being worked on and there are 2 Mopars that should make it to Carlisle for their first show! If you go, stop by Troy's booth and see the latest restorations!
Our trip to Gatlinburg was a little sad! We had planned to go back for some time and couldn't believe all that had changed! Pigeon Forge and Sevierville are growing and Gatlinburg is in decline! There were about 10 motels that were closed and a couple were being torn down! In addition several other buisnesses were shut down!
While there we stopped at Floyd Garretts Muscle Car Museum that has around 90 muscle cars on display! There was a good showing of Mopars but not one 500, no DAYTONA and no SUPERBIRD! There were a couple of Talladegas including a prototype and a Mercury Cyclone Spoiler for the Ford aero guys! There was only one Charger but it was a nice one! It was a burnt orange 1970 Charger R/T sunroof car with air! It was also a Mopar Nationals OE GOLD winner and best of show winner! Linda was happy because they had a 2007 SHELBY GT500 just like hers on display! I have attached a few pictures from the visit! ENJOY!
good pictures MJ , thanks for sharing :cheers: :cheers:
DAYTONA HEADLIGHTS
Previously in my story I said that we had gone through the original headlights from both Daytonas and put the best set together for the B5 Daytona. That left me short handed for the R4 Daytona. Just for the record one was built on June 5th 1969 and the other June 9th 1969 and both had GE headlights dated 4-9. With this shortage I placed a wanted ad for original GE headlights on this site. The response was great and I was able to assemble a date coded set for the R4 Daytona. Also during this process I was able to buy 2 NOS high beam headlights dated 1969! So now I have modified my ad and am looking for 2 NOS low beams dated 1969. I have attached some pictures of the originals next to a NOS headlight and hopefully you will see how much better the NOS look! I also have a picture of one NOS headlight next to an original box!
Time from time I see nos parts on here
http://www.sportslinkup.com/shop/0-GE-Headlight-1-GALLERY.html
http://www.sportslinkup.com/shop/0-DODGE-N.O.S.-1-GALLERY.html
http://www.sportslinkup.com/shop/0-plymouth-n.o.s.-2-GALLERY.html
Quote from: nascarxx29 on May 31, 2011, 11:43:08 AM
Time from time I see nos parts on here
http://www.sportslinkup.com/shop/0-GE-Headlight-1-GALLERY.html
http://www.sportslinkup.com/shop/0-DODGE-N.O.S.-1-GALLERY.html
http://www.sportslinkup.com/shop/0-plymouth-n.o.s.-2-GALLERY.html
Thanks Dave! I will keep a lookout on that site also!
MJ
ORIGINAL WINDSHIELD WASHER BOTTLES
Recently I was involved in a conversation about Daytona NOS and original parts with Tony. Tony is new to this site and his user ID is 69hemidaytona. We started talking about NOS windshield washer bottles and he asked me if I had used an NOS one on the B5 Daytona. I said that I had and he asked me to remove it from the inner fender and see what numbers were on it. I called him back with the info and he informed me that Chrysler had been using that same date code for some time. I also contacted Jeff on this site 69R/TSE4speed on this site for some extra verification. I have attached 3 pictures to this reply and I hope you can make out the details I am talking about? Some will be easy to spot when you look at a installed washer bottle.
PICTURE 1) This picture is of a pencil rubbing of the engine side of two washer bottles placed on top of my extra NOS bottle. The top rubbing is from the nos bottle and if you look close the bottom line which reads
" USE ( MOPAR LOGO ) MOPAR WINDSHIELD WASHER SOLVENT " is double stamped! The bottom rubbing is from my original 1969 washer bottle and has very clear lettering on the bottom row!
PICTURE 2) This picture is of a pencil rubbing of the inner fender side of two washer bottles placed on top of my original bottle. The top rubbing is from the NOS bottle with the later 3168 date! I am wondering if any one knows when this was first used 3168 for 1978 or 1988? I bought this bottle back in the eighties from Koeller Dodge!
The bottom rubbing is from my original 1969 bottle dated 1129 or 112th day of 1969. Hopefully you can see where the older bottle has numbers that are stamped more even and there is no gap between the 30 and 191 on the older bottle! This bottle came out of my 1969 Coronet 318 4 door parts car that was built the same day as the B5 blue Daytona! The reason this bottle may have held up so well is that it was in a small block car with less heat under the hood and no big block exhaust manifolds near the washer bottle?
PICTURE 3) This picture is of a pencil rubbing of the tab on the washer pump itself laying near my original washer pump! I stumbled upon this when I was checking out the differances in the bottles! It has a part number with a dash mark and the same 30191 code as the bottle! In this case a 0909 C date code! Which I believe to be the 90th day of 1969!
I hope this info is helpfull and would like to know if anyone has had any sucess in getting the discoloration out of an older bottle? I would like to clean it up and use it if it turns out well!
Thanks! MJ
John, I was told by a seller on Ebay (Chevy guy) that he uses a bleach & water solution to lighten them back up. He was lightening up the yellow color that way on 70 Chevelle bottles and selling them as there never was a correct NOS bottle for them. I didn't buy the bottle and I've never tried this so I can't guarantee the results. That washer pump looks correct date wise also. It has the little round bump on the elbow that the period correct ones have.
Dave
Quote from: Davtona on June 03, 2011, 06:43:07 AM
John, I was told by a seller on Ebay (Chevy guy) that he uses a bleach & water solution to lighten them back up. He was lightening up the yellow color that way on 70 Chevelle bottles and selling them as there never was a correct NOS bottle for them. I didn't buy the bottle and I've never tried this so I can't guarantee the results. That washer pump looks correct date wise also. It has the little round bump on the elbow that the period correct ones have.
Dave
Dave,
Thanks for the tip! I will wipe it down real good and soak it in a weak blend to start out and see what happens?
Thanks! John
SAFE AND SOUND!
Last week between my midnights and days I had a long 4 day weekend! I decided to finish up the drywall, primer and paint our shop where we had a new garage door and siding installed last fall. I did the wiring, insulation and hung the drywall last fall. The Daytona has been stored there safe and sound! So I wouldn't get drywall dust all over it I drove it up to the house garage. Then I moved the dehumidifier to the garage to keep everything from rusting on these hot and humid summer days. A few hours later I went to check on the dehumidifier just to make sure it was working and draining properly. When I came around the drivers side of the Daytona I couldn't believe my eyes! The dehumidifier had vibrated it's way from the wall almost to the Daytona!@#$%^&*(! WOW! I had planned for the Daytona to be there the next 4 days and if I hadn't checked on it, it probably would have rubbed it's way right through the paint! The rest of the weekend went well and I accomplished my goal and returned the Daytona to it's parking spot SAFE AND SOUND!
Hope to see many of you this weekend!
Mopar John
Hey John - I have had success using the CLR stuff. I block off all the holes that will leak and fill it with the stuff. Using it straight is better but if you are going to mix it with water - make sure it is super hot. The longer it soaks the better. Finally, use bottle brushes while the stuff is in the bottle. Works pretty darn good on most of the bottles I have used it on.
Quote from: maxwellwedge on July 26, 2011, 09:35:31 PM
Hey John - I have had success using the CLR stuff. I block off all the holes that will leak and fill it with the stuff. Using it straight is better but if you are going to mix it with water - make sure it is super hot. The longer it soaks the better. Finally, use bottle brushes while the stuff is in the bottle. Works pretty darn good on most of the bottles I have used it on.
Jim,
Thanks for the tip! I'll give it a try!
John
TOOK THE DAYTONA TO A LOCAL FRIDAY NIGHT CAR GATHERING!
It has been a while since I have had the Daytona out. I am thinking about showing it at some local car shows this fall. So today I started it up and dusted it off. I have a thing about dust on this car since it was the biggest points deduction at the nats and the muscle car nationals. I never used to worry about it as much as I do now! After I had it ready to go I decided to take it to Valparaiso, Indiana where there is a gathering of cars every Friday night. Normally a hundred cars or more show up on a nice night like tonight. There has never been a Daytona at this event! Our Superbird and another that is very similar are there every so often. The people checking out the Daytona were non stop. There were a lot of stories! One guy said that he ran a Dodge dealers body shop and when the Daytonas came in they would send them back to the body shop to have all the parts readjusted and lined up???
There was only one sold new in northwest Indiana! I received many many positive comments and was thanked by many for bringing it out. There was one guy who was in a Mopar club with me that told another guy that I shouldn't have put those crappy looking hub caps and white line tires on the Daytona. That guy told him that those were the correct wheels and tires as the way the Daytona was built! I have attached a couple of pictures from tonight.
Mopar John
ORIGINAL HEADLIGHTS!
On of my previous posts had information on the original GE headlights. I had placed an ad looking for some originals and recently a fellow Mopar friend sent me an e-mail. He had lost my contact info and when he saw an ad of mine on Moparts he e-mailed me about the headlights. He had found 3 originals! 1 low beam and 2 high beams! I have attached some pictures of them. The one with a 2 9 date code shows up the best. I am still looking for 2 NOS low beams if there are any out there?
Thanks! John
i ask this to test my own memory, but i was thinking that halogen bulbs did not arrive in the states until the early 1980's? I worked at an auto parts store during high school, and can (almost) recall when they first were added to the store shelves. the date code adds an interesting twist, but i wonder if it applies to just the basic design (shell) of the light, and not the technology? would halogen lamps be concours correct, for 1969?
Ernie,
Sorry about the HALOGEN boxes and the confusion! My friend stored the bulbs in these boxes to protect them! You are correct those boxes have nothing to do with the headlights in the pictures other than a safe place to keep them.
Thanks! John
Quote from: Mopar John on November 06, 2011, 04:28:11 PM
Ernie,
Sorry about the HALOGEN boxes and the confusion! My friend stored the bulbs in these boxes to protect them! You are correct those boxes have nothing to do with the headlights in the pictures other than a safe place to keep them.
Thanks! John
lol. that very thought (about storage) occured to me, not long after i made the earlier post. the boxes definitely had me thinking of how colorful they were, to be 40 years old...
2011 MUSCLE CAR AND CORVETTE NATIONALS THIS WEEKEND!
As a preview of this years 2011 Muscle Car and Corvette Nationals V8TV put out a preview video. This video had some cars featured from the 2010 show! Our Daytona is featured in part 2 from 5:10 - 5:52!
To view the video go to the youtube website and type in v8tv mcacn preview part 2
We were happy when a friend forwarded the link to us and saw our Daytona on the video! There were a lot of very nice cars there and to have a good share of the preview made us proud!
Mopar John
congrats, john, and well deserved. the car is beyond beautiful.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jiv6gCezlus
He starts talking about the Daytona @ 5:09 & ends it saying something that wasn't said about any of the other cars.
"...and MAN did it draw crowds"
THANKS 472 R/T SE for the direct link to the video and additional comments!
Now all I have to do is figure out how to copy this clip to a DVD?
Mopar John
RECENT PURCHASES
I try to scan the for sale ads from time to time and see if I can find anything to enhance the Daytona. These items seem to be farther and farther apart and a lot more expensive as time goes on! Usually when it's an EBAY item I get zapped at the last minute!
Recently on EBAY I bid on one single NOS headlight retaining ring! During the parts collecting for the restoration I was able to buy 2 singles and went through all my used ones and picked the best 2 for the set. The days of buying full sets and pairs are just about over! I got lucky and was able to buy the headlight retaining ring for the opening bid! This was a no problem auction and the part was shipped quickly and as described! I will keep searching for that last one along with 2 low beam headlights to complete the set.
Mopar John
PRESTOLITE HORNS!
Another recent purchase was a HI - LOW set of Daytona correct Prestolite horns! These were bought right off this site in the swap for sale section! The seller was a regular here named Bill Mann. I have bought from him before and he's a good guy! The horns were priced right and had date codes of 20 9 and 21 9 perfect for our Daytonas! I have attached some pictures for everyone to see what they look like and tried to get close ups of the Prestolite logo and date codes.
Mopar John
WHAT HAS MOPAR JOHN BEEN UP TO?
We'll a lot! Some call the detail parts NOS, some call it makeup, some call it jewelry, and I say making it better!
Over the next few days I will share with you some of the recent going's on's in no particular order. In one of my
recent posts I mentioned that I had found a third NOS headlight ring! We'll I'm happy to say that I found the fourth
and made a complete set. Now all I need to do is clean them up and install them!
MJ
Quote from: Mopar John on January 21, 2012, 07:56:23 PM
WHAT HAS MOPAR JOHN BEEN UP TO?
We'll a lot! Some call the detail parts NOS, ...
Well,,, check those bad boys out......... Nice. :2thumbs:
NOS 727 TRANSMISSION DUST SHIELD OR SHOULD I SAY DUST SHIELDS??
While loading up the Daytona for the trip to Mopar Nationals I went to install my NOS 727 transmission dust shield. When i removed the original one I noticed that the NOS one didn't match @#$%^&*()_! WOW! So now what? I put the original back on and started looking for a correct NOS one! Just this past week I was able to get one off EBAY! I have the Daytona up on jackstands for the winter so I can't wait to crawl under there and put the new one on! I have attached some pictures. The first one shows the original dust shield at the top and the first superceded NOS one at the bottom. You can see that the stamping pattern is all wrong! This style is still being sold today! The second picture shows the second NOS dust shield that is correct. This last one has a very old computor punch card still attached to it! I wonder how old it is since there is no date anywhere on the punch card?
MJ
john, i will ask around and see if any of the old timers from the local chrysler plant know how to decipher the card. dad should have several buddies who worked with them. larry b's friend gene (a 'bird owner himself) might also be a good place to start. if i find out anything helpful, i will pass it on.
Quote from: held1823 on January 22, 2012, 01:09:31 PM
john, i will ask around and see if any of the old timers from the local chrysler plant know how to decipher the card. dad should have several buddies who worked with them. larry b's friend gene (a 'bird owner himself) might also be a good place to start. if i find out anything helpful, i will pass it on.
Ernie,
Thanks for the help! The tag does say that it was revised on 4/68 so we know it's after that. But how much?
MJ
OTHER DAYTONA OWNERS HELPING OUT!
From time to time I do get messages and e-mails from other Daytona owners out there knowing that I'm looking for those hard to find parts just as they are. I usually get one when it's a blue interior part. Recently Dave who goes by davtona let me know about some NOS blue door lock knobs on EBAY. They looked very dark almost purple in the ad but for $10.00 I couldn't get hurt so I bid on them. I won the auction and when I opened the package they were an exact match for my B7 Daytona interior! WOW!! They look so shiny and nice compared to the ones I had on the Daytona! Thanks!
MJ
Quote from: Mopar John on January 22, 2012, 12:53:44 PM
This last one has a very old computor punch card still attached to it! I wonder how old it is since there is no date anywhere on the punch card?
MJ
I just got a nos part with a similar pick ticket in the package.
The date on the package is may 74.
Quote from: UFO on January 22, 2012, 07:34:25 PM
Quote from: Mopar John on January 22, 2012, 12:53:44 PM
This last one has a very old computor punch card still attached to it! I wonder how old it is since there is no date anywhere on the punch card?
MJ
UFO,
Thanks for posting a picture of what you call a pick ticket. If you still have it can you tell me what the revision date is way at the bottom?
Your ticket and mine look differant and it might close the gap for me. This may give me an idea of when the one I have was no longer used and how old my part is. Right now I'm guessing my part was shipped somewhere between 4/68 and 1974?
Thanks! MJ
I just got a nos part with a similar pick ticket in the package.
The date on the package is may 74.
Quote from: Mopar John on January 23, 2012, 11:38:55 AM
Thanks for posting a picture of what you call a pick ticket. If you still have it can you tell me what the revision date is way at the bottom?
Your ticket and mine look differant and it might close the gap for me. This may give me an idea of when the one I have was no longer used and how old my part is. Right now I'm guessing my part was shipped somewhere between 4/68 and 1974?
Thanks! MJ
There has to be some employee's that use to work in the many parts depot's around the country.Sure there are some that are not car people.One thought is to put some of this type of stuff on display at a show.Eventually you will get someone say "I remember those things".
Quote from: UFO on January 29, 2012, 02:02:58 PM
There has to be some employee's that use to work in the many parts depot's around the country.Sure there are some that are not car people.One thought is to put some of this type of stuff on display at a show.Eventually you will get someone say "I remember those things".
that's the angle i'm trying to use. once the local chrysler plant closed, its employees were scattered all over. several ended up at parts depots around the country. while one of them might not have the answer, i'm hoping that one of their "new" co-workers might. no luck on the local front yet, but i'm still asking around. a few people recall seing punch cards being used at the plant here, as parts were sent out to various other locations, so they were apparently used throughout the supply system.
john, can you post a scan of the older ticket? it might help jog someone's memory if i can show others what im asking about, rather than just trying to describe it.
UFO,
Thanks for posting the close up of your " PICKERS TAG " ! This helps me a lot because my tag has a revision date of 4/68 and yours has a revision date of 8/71. So I now know my part was shipped in the late 68 to early 71 time frame and therefore a very correct period piece for my car!
Ernie,
I will attach a close up of my "PICKERS TAG" for you. Hopefully we can find out if there is a date punched into these cards for future reference!
Thanks! Mopar John
NOS TAILLIGHT LENSES!!!!
This part of my story starts way back in the spring of 2008! I was looking for all kinds of NOS parts for the upcoming Daytona restoration. I had a wanted ad for a pair of NOS taillight lenses and a fellow named TONY MALCEIN ( 69hemidaytona ) on this site replied to my ad. He said he had a CORRECT pair of lenses for somewhere around $1500.00 for sale! WOW!! I thought that was high and passed on them. I told Tony that I had around 8 sets of taillights and that I would polish the best lenses and have the best bezels rechromed. Tony told me that I would never be happy doing it that way! He said that they would have to break all the tabs for the bezels and then glue them back together somehow? He also thought some of this would be noticable from outside the Daytona. We'll that's exactly what we did! We polished the best sets of lenses and had the best 2 sets of bezels rechromed. At the time I thought I would use the extras on the other Daytona?
Money was running short and I had a chance to buy 3 NOS tires and 2 correct date code original tires. About this time Brian (1hotdaytona) on this site had a want ad for taillight bezels. Brain bailed me out and bought my bezels and I bought the tires!
Thanks again Brian!
Fast forward to the spring of 2011 and I see a for sale ad on this site for an NOS passengers side Charger door skin. I ended up buying it from a fellow named Jay James. During our conversationI asked him if he had any other NOS that would fit a 69 Charger? He said that he did and would send me a list with prices. I ended up buying an NOS lower ball joint and a correct 1969 NOS right/passengers side taillight lens! WOW! By this time I learned that the replacement taillight lenses were quickly superceded because of the changes in the 1970 model that fit the same openings! At that time I knew of at least 4 differant kinds! I have attached a picture of the back side of my correct passengers side lens. You will notice that it looks like the whole back side has what look like little round balls cut in half and spread out in even rows! I have also attached a picture of the outside of this same lens.
MJ
NOS TAILLIGHT LENSES PART 2!
So now with an NOS right taillight lens and wanting to make the Daytona more correct guess what? Yep! I'm now on the lookout for a drivers side NOS taillight lens. I quickly find out they are much more difficult to find than the side I already have! So I place another want ad looking for the NOS right side and guess who again responds to my ad? YEP again! TONY MALCEIN! Tony tells me what I already know that the drivers side is harder to find and that he has an extra! WOW!! We'll this began a long drwan out process between me and Tony. He was looking for NOS for his Daytona and didn't just want to sell the taillight lens. He asked about what extras I had and I didn't have enough to finish the deal. About all I had was my pair of NOS highbeam 1969 headlights. About 6 weeks ago things came together! I had tried to offer some cash and the headlights but couldn't get a number out of Tony? Then I found a couple of things he was looking for and about the same time Tony starts asking me some detailed questions about my taillight lens? It turns out that there are 2 differant styles of the lens with painted and unpainted outsides. Luck was finally starting to come my way. Tony's extra or odd taillight lens was a match to the one I had! WOW! This would make a pair for me and he wouldn't have to break up one of his sets! He finally gave me a price with my parts considered and after a little negotiating we made the deal! GREAT! I know have a set of NOS taillight lenses! Tony also said
" I TOLD YOU SO BACK IN 2008! "
Tony had a whirlwind midwest parts run and about a week and a half ago he delivered the taillight lens and picked up what I had for him! This was great because nothing got damaged and he got to check out our Daytonas! THANKS TONY! I have attached a picture of the NOS set of taillight lenses! I have also attached a picture of an unpainted taillight lens along side a painted taillight lens! Right now I believe there are about 6 and maybe as many as 8 differant kinds of taillight lenses and many carry the same factory part number!
Quote from: Mopar John on January 30, 2012, 04:47:00 PM
UFO,
Thanks for posting the close up of your " PICKERS TAG " ! This helps me a lot because my tag has a revision date of 4/68 and yours has a revision date of 8/71. So I now know my part was shipped in the late 68 to early 71 time frame and therefore a very correct period piece for my car!
Ernie,
I will attach a close up of my "PICKERS TAG" for you. Hopefully we can find out if there is a date punched into these cards for future reference!
Thanks! Mopar John
not sure if this helps or not, but you can decifer some number out of those holes....looks like they match the numbers at the top of the ticket...quantity, part number, etc....starting at the top left looks like 0002, then 01942248, etc....maybe there's a date in there somewhere, I didn't decifer them all....hope this helps or is this common knowledge already?
:shruggy:
Hey John I see we share another interest together: Coin collecting!! Next time I stop by maybe you can show me what you have. Thanks for those hard to find reflectors.
Quote from: Mopar John on January 30, 2012, 05:53:13 PM
NOS TAILLIGHT LENSES PART 2!
Awesome John.. I know how difficult it is to find these NOS parts.. Maybe Tony can find the other side Charger 500 headlamp bucket... I have one, now I need the other side....
And here I thought the car was done! It's a sickness isn't it?
One of these days I'll stop over and see how things are going.
EV2 Demon I recall on another board you showed wingcars sitting in a garage very dusty.They ever get restored.
Well, one of them did. There's a 40 page thread about it on dodgecharger.com
Wait... :lol:
Quote from: richRTSE on January 30, 2012, 06:43:36 PM
Quote from: Mopar John on January 30, 2012, 04:47:00 PM
UFO,
Thanks for posting the close up of your " PICKERS TAG " ! This helps me a lot because my tag has a revision date of 4/68 and yours has a revision date of 8/71. So I now know my part was shipped in the late 68 to early 71 time frame and therefore a very correct period piece for my car!
Ernie,
I will attach a close up of my "PICKERS TAG" for you. Hopefully we can find out if there is a date punched into these cards for future reference!
Thanks! Mopar John
not sure if this helps or not, but you can decifer some number out of those holes....looks like they match the numbers at the top of the ticket...quantity, part number, etc....starting at the top left looks like 0002, then 01942248, etc....maybe there's a date in there somewhere, I didn't decifer them all....hope this helps or is this common knowledge already?
:shruggy:
richRTSE,
The info you posted about the punch holes lining up with the numbers printed above does help! That solves what most of the punches are for! There are some extras and I've studied them trying to figure if any were a date code till I got a headace! :brickwall:
Maybe someone will figure out that last piece of info we need?
Thanks!MJ
Quote from: 69hemidaytona on January 31, 2012, 12:02:02 AM
Hey John I see we share another interest together: Coin collecting!! Next time I stop by maybe you can show me what you have. Thanks for those hard to find reflectors.
Tony,
Your welcome any time, we'll almost any especially if your delivering NOS parts!
MJ
Quote from: hemi68charger on January 31, 2012, 07:45:05 AM
Quote from: Mopar John on January 30, 2012, 05:53:13 PM
NOS TAILLIGHT LENSES PART 2!
Awesome John.. I know how difficult it is to find these NOS parts.. Maybe Tony can find the other side Charger 500 headlamp bucket... I have one, now I need the other side....
Troy,
Make sure you post a picture of the one you do have with the part number for the other side in your want ads. Some of the 500 front end parts are the same as a 68 Coronet. But since your having a hard time I expect it's a 500 only part? KEEP LOOKING!
MJ
Quote from: EV2DEMON on January 31, 2012, 12:23:11 PM
And here I thought the car was done! It's a sickness isn't it?
One of these days I'll stop over and see how things are going.
John,
It is a sickness! I have been selling off my extra used parts that have no connection to the cars we have. I have been using those funds supplemented by my allowance to buy any NOS that will enhance the B5 Daytona! It's not all bad as I have a place for nice extras! I will be out in the shop most of tommorrow and some Thursday so stop over and visit! You will get a jump on the rest as far as what I havn't posted yet!!
Uncle John
MORE ON CHARGER TAILLIGHT LENSES!
I thought my post on correct taillight lenses would have stirred up more debate than it did? There is a pair of NOS 1970 Charger taillight lenses currently on EBAY. I have attached one of the pictures from the ad. You can see the white reflectors that are added for 1970!
MJ
Quote from: Mopar John on January 30, 2012, 05:53:13 PM
NOS TAILLIGHT LENSES PART 2!
Right now I believe there are about 6 and maybe as many as 8 differant kinds of taillight lenses and many carry the same factory part number!
I remember reading somewhere, sometime, that there are 4 different versions of the 1970 lens. Depends I believe on the build date of the car as to what is the "correct lens" for a particular car.
A COUPLE MORE DETAIL ITEMS!!
At the time of the restoration I installed both NOS parklamp assemblies in the Daytona. Even though it passed the light test in several judgings the bulbs were incorrect! I had the original yellow painted looking bulbs and should have had the amber glass bulbs. I found a couple original ones and am going to swap them out!
The next item is what I call the "F" fitting for the windshield washer hoses on the cowl. I previously found the resivoir, pump and small hose from the "F" fitting to the nozzles. So I have been on the lookout for the "F" fitting and supply hose in NOS. I finally found the NOS "F" fitting and when I received it I thought it was wrong because it was countersunk on the side not used? But I went and checked out my untouched original setup it was installed with the countersunk opening for the screw down? I have attached a picture of the NOS part and original and the complete setup showing the orientation of the fitting! Maybe these were originally made for another application?
MJ
John,
Who told you the yellow painted bulbs were incorrect? Those are what I've seen on some original Daytonas.
John,
My NOS assemblies had the yellow painted bulbs in them! On hemigenos post there is a factory buletin that shows where the bulbs should be swapped out at Creative due to new federal regulations! My original B5 assemblies and R4 assemblies both have the amber glass bulbs in them! I'm sure some got missed in the rush!
MJ
great read and cars,been long time so i was rereading.back up to page 11 ,but it is driving me nutts ,what happened to white bird and do you wish you would have got $500 body shop one and others? B5 and 6 pack and race cars are all great in my book.any more pics of red daytona coming up?
your like the 4th guy i know now and me that got our boats and marriages hit by ice bergs and sunk in 99 ,maybe Y2K was real?my 2nd x was a soft ball nut and would have afew player and thier partners over. well the one that was allways trying to be my bud and all in to cars.was the jerk ,loser she is married to now and broke all the time,.some justice .but my sons were only 8 and 10,so i have been paying since 1999,i year to pay...than back to cars,trying to stay with wing dream and no ring nitemares..
all best on your wing car restores. thanks for thread and pics from days past.dj
Quote from: djcarguy on February 11, 2012, 03:06:22 PM
great read and cars,been long time so i was rereading.back up to page 11 ,but it is driving me nutts ,what happened to white bird and do you wish you would have got $500 body shop one and others? B5 and 6 pack and race cars are all great in my book.any more pics of red daytona coming up?
your like the 4th guy i know now and me that got our boats and marriages hit by ice bergs and sunk in 99 ,maybe Y2K was real?my 2nd x was a soft ball nut and would have afew player and thier partners over. well the one that was allways trying to be my bud and all in to cars.was the jerk ,loser she is married to now and broke all the time,.some justice .but my sons were only 8 and 10,so i have been paying since 1999,i year to pay...than back to cars,trying to stay with wing dream and no ring nitemares..
all best on your wing car restores. thanks for thread and pics from days past.dj
djcarguy,
I am glad that you like the story enough to re-read it! Actually I wish I had an index for the topics covered! Another member 69hemidaytona is discussing the original green filters and another member is questioning if any are really used? I do have one on the B5 Daytona! But I don't have time to look for that picture.
The white bird was sold to a friend of mine and he's trying to put it back together! Funny you mention the R4 red Daytona! Check out my Superbird post for an update!
MJ
P.S. It's common for friends to become TOO friendly! :yesnod:
Quote from: Mopar John on January 30, 2012, 04:47:00 PM
I will attach a close up of my "PICKERS TAG" for you. Hopefully we can find out if there is a date punched into these cards for future reference!
Thanks! Mopar John
it looks like a lost cause coming up with any local insight on how the parts depot managed their date coding. the tickets were not widely used at the local plant, generally showing up only when a quality issue concerned a part manufactured here. given that, none of the former employees that i've ran into seem to know very much about the tickets.
beyond that handicap, i know of two people that i worked with who later transferred to parts depots. so far, neither of them has been able to find out anything from one of their "new" co-workers, who might have worked at a depot back in the day. if someone has success down the road, i'm hoping they will email me about it.
sorry for the dead end.
Quote from: held1823 on February 20, 2012, 04:13:35 AM
Quote from: Mopar John on January 30, 2012, 04:47:00 PM
I will attach a close up of my "PICKERS TAG" for you. Hopefully we can find out if there is a date punched into these cards for future reference!
Thanks! Mopar John
it looks like a lost cause coming up with any local insight on how the parts depot managed their date coding. the tickets were not widely used at the local plant, generally showing up only when a quality issue concerned a part manufactured here. given that, none of the former employees that i've ran into seem to know very much about the tickets.
beyond that handicap, i know of two people that i worked with who later transferred to parts depots. so far, neither of them has been able to find out anything from one of their "new" co-workers, who might have worked at a depot back in the day. if someone has success down the road, i'm hoping they will email me about it.
sorry for the dead end.
Thanks for checking into this! It's been mentioned here a few times and may come up in a conversation or another forum somewhere in the future?
MJ
NOS HIGH BEAM HEADLIGHTS PART 2!
Not long ago I posted about a trade of my NOS headlights toward an NOS taillight lens. It was really hard to let go of the headlights but the lens was something that I really needed to make a pair. I also wanted to help restore another Daytona. Recently a couple of things came together and I was able to buy a couple of NOS low beam headlights. Then just last week I was able to get a Couple of NOS highbeam headlights to make a complete set of headlights and retaining rings! :2thumbs:
MJ
I find the 4000's and 4001's (I think the old ones are 4002's) all the time. It is the larger rounds (old # 6012) that are next to impossible to find.
Still - A nice score John!
Any r4,red daytona ,pics and info updates in the near future?? did you ever have it running and moving about? well ya got some great rigs and enjoy seeing them saved..thanks DJ,out west.30 years ago i passed on a yellow bird to save first marrage-mirragge ,,sold my 70 rt to buy it,,bitc-----wife split few months later with money and my new nisson................... sorry brain fade off track.
red daytona info please,thanks?/? take care,dj
A GREAT DAY OUT IN THE SHOP!
Recently Linda and I picked up our freshly rebuilt and dynoed race car engine. It made 700HP on the dyno with a fuel delivery problem in the secondaries of my old Holley Dominator! This morning I set out to sand down and put a fresh coat of high heat paint on the headers so I can install the engine later this week! All went great and I got into a lot of little things that I had wanted to do for a while! I even made it over to the B5 Daytona for a while and started installing some of the NOS I had purchased. Today I installed the NOS blue door lock pulls and the NOS "F" fitting for the windshield washer hoses on the cowl.
MJ
I finally installed the NOS automatic transmission dust shield on the Daytona! I had been putting this task off but I needed to get some info for Danny 69_500 and get the Daytona back on the ground for show season. My first worry was when I pulled the tape off and removed the pickers tag how it would look? I didn't know if there would be a shiny stripe where the tape was. The first picture shows that it turned out very nice. When I crawled under the Daytona my original dust shield that had been cleaned up was starting to have a flash coat of rust on it! The second picture shows it before removal and cleaning. I was able to take an oiled down cloth and remove it but this would have become another maintenance item in a spot that would normally be tough to get at! The last picture shows the NOS dust shield in place. Hope everyone else is out there getting ready as well!
MJ
Looks like it would be a good candidate to treat with RPM.
Quote from: Aero426 on April 25, 2012, 12:40:20 PM
Looks like it would be a good candidate to treat with RPM.
Doug,
That is a great idea! I will clean up the one that has the flash coat of rust and see what happens?
Thanks! MJ
440 DAYTONA AIR CLEANER PIE PAN LIDS
The other day while reading HEMIGENO'S updates I came across the part on 440 Daytona air cleaner pie pan lids. After reading it I discovered that I had the WRONG color lid on the Daytona? I had bought a red one from my local Mopar dealer and put it on. After driving around at Talladega I realized that the new REM hood pad was rubbing the front edge of the pie tin!@#$%^&*(_! My first picture shows what that looks like! So then I bought another red lid and kept it in the trunk for shows as the other was very noticable! The second picture is of the show piece. Now I bought a correct orange one from a guy who said he had it from 1970 -1971? I have it in my last picture. If you look at the red and orange lids they are very close in color or is it MY eyes? Anyway at shows it will look correct!
My thinking on this is that as a commonly available replacement shows up on a bunch of cars does that become the norm? An example would be Legendary interiors and their headliners. They are differant than original but over time so many are out there that it looks right?
MJ
John,
I definitely wouldn't say that a red pie tin isn't correct, hopefully that wasn't inferred in my earlier reply. In fact, I've seen more original red lids than I have orange - but as far as I know either color is considered correct.
Man, that REM pad is really skinning up the pie tin, isn't it? :o
I dug into the CD parts book on the pie plate
The #2843767 name plate doesnt appear in 69 parts catalog just in the 70-71 parts book for W D B J line.Found it in 68 book not much description other W Coronet D Dodge 440 magnum .And no color listed
14-029-008 NAMEPLATE, A/Cleaner
440 Engine, 440 Magnum
I think I am confused on the correct lid at this point? But I now have one of each in nice shape so I'll bring both!
MJ
Quote from: hemigeno on April 26, 2012, 10:13:07 AM
John,
I definitely wouldn't say that a red pie tin isn't correct, hopefully that wasn't inferred in my earlier reply. In fact, I've seen more original red lids than I have orange - but as far as I know either color is considered correct.
Man, that REM pad is really skinning up the pie tin, isn't it? :o
Mine was originally orange, but I replaced it with a red one since the car is red. Looks better I think. :2thumbs:
Red is all I've seen on original daytonas.
Quote from: johntpr on April 26, 2012, 07:05:00 PM
Red is all I've seen on original daytonas.
I still have the original red one from my car.
Quote from: Mopar John on April 26, 2012, 09:10:54 AM
440 DAYTONA AIR CLEANER PIE PAN LIDS
The other day while reading HEMIGENO'S updates I came across the part on 440 Daytona air cleaner pie pan lids. After reading it I discovered that I had the WRONG color lid on the Daytona? I had bought a red one from my local Mopar dealer and put it on. After driving around at Talladega I realized that the new REM hood pad was rubbing the front edge of the pie tin!@#$%^&*(_! My first picture shows what that looks like! So then I bought another red lid and kept it in the trunk for shows as the other was very noticable! The second picture is of the show piece. Now I bought a correct orange one from a guy who said he had it from 1970 -1971? I have it in my last picture. If you look at the red and orange lids they are very close in color or is it MY eyes? Anyway at shows it will look correct!
My thinking on this is that as a commonly available replacement shows up on a bunch of cars does that become the norm? An example would be Legendary interiors and their headliners. They are differant than original but over time so many are out there that it looks right?
MJ
My question is, if the pad is doing that to the pie pan, what's the friction doing to the hood pad?
I would think it would wear away the material, no?
Quote from: WINGIN IT on April 27, 2012, 11:20:28 AM
Quote from: Mopar John on April 26, 2012, 09:10:54 AM
440 DAYTONA AIR CLEANER PIE PAN LIDS
The other day while reading HEMIGENO'S updates I came across the part on 440 Daytona air cleaner pie pan lids. After reading it I discovered that I had the WRONG color lid on the Daytona? I had bought a red one from my local Mopar dealer and put it on. After driving around at Talladega I realized that the new REM hood pad was rubbing the front edge of the pie tin!@#$%^&*(_! My first picture shows what that looks like! So then I bought another red lid and kept it in the trunk for shows as the other was very noticable! The second picture is of the show piece. Now I bought a correct orange one from a guy who said he had it from 1970 -1971? I have it in my last picture. If you look at the red and orange lids they are very close in color or is it MY eyes? Anyway at shows it will look correct!
My thinking on this is that as a commonly available replacement shows up on a bunch of cars does that become the norm? An example would be Legendary interiors and their headliners. They are differant than original but over time so many are out there that it looks right?
MJ
My question is, if the pad is doing that to the pie pan, what's the friction doing to the hood pad?
I would think it would wear away the material, no?
WINGIN IT,
I don't drive this car much and have the hood up a lot when it's running to check everything out. The hood pad shows no sign of wear nor does it have an impression of the pie pan?
MJ
ORIGINAL DAYTONA 11 X 3 FRONT BRAKE SHOES!
I am going to share my adventure in trying to get the correct front brake shoes for the B5 Daytona restoration. When I was first gathering parts a friend of mine had a set of front NOS 11 x 3 brake shoes that he would sell me at a reasonable price. The part number is 4176762 and I knew they were a later superceded part but at least I had original NOS Mopar shoes to use. Then I was able to buy a set of 3528336 again superceded but an older part number and maybe closer? These were the shoes originally put on the Daytona for Talladega! Next I found a set of 3004976 shoes and these are listed in the 1969 parts book as original replacements! These shoes were swapped out in time for the Mopar Nationals judging! Recently I was able to purchase an original part number set 2808494 from fellow Daytona owner Tony Malcein who has been gathering parts for his restoration. I also have the original assembly line shoes off the Daytona that were bead blasted and cleaned up! As a start to this topic I am going to attach pictures of the boxes that show the differant labels and part numbers. I am then going to follow up with pictures of the shoes themselves and see if we can find the differances if any?
MJ
ORIGINAL DAYTONA 11 X 3 FRONT BRAKE SHOES PART 2!
Well after a week of work and trying to get the race car ready for tommorrow I have part 2 ready! The pictures to follow will show the ends of the 11 X 3 brake shoes. I will point out what I have seen! The first picture is the ends of the original assembly line shoes off our B5 Daytona. The second picture is of the 2808494 original part number shoes. These shoes look identical to the assembly line shoes!
The third picture is of the original replacement shoes 3004976 that are listed in the Chrysler 1969 parts book! These shoes have a groove cut into them on one of the halves! The last picture is of the later replacement 4176762. These shoes have a longer lining and it is a darker color lining! So in summary all of the linings are differant! I will post pictures of the shoes in part 3!
MJ
ORIGINAL DAYTONA 11 X 3 FRONT BRAKE SHOES PART 3!
This is the last chapter in the 11 X 3 Daytona front brake shoes and it compares the shoes! The first picture shoes a pair of original Daytona shoes. The second picture shows the 2808494 original part number shoes. The third picture shows the early replacement 3004976 shoes. The last picture shows the later replacement 4176762 shoes. To me all of these shoes look identical. All of the holes are in the same spots and of the same size. The shoes all all of the same size and shape also. So in conclusion the big differance in these early original shoes are the linings. The originals have no gooves and are not as long as the later versions! I hope you found this picture show informative!
MJ
Great to see the differences in those brake shoes. And to think that the seller was an NOS parts dealer that had 3 sets of these on ebay but had the part number wrong by one digit! I'm glad I took the time to ask them to confirm the part number so I could snag all 3 sets. I'm going to put one set on my Daytona and save the third set in case I need them later. I hope to be in your area again soon...Tony
Quote from: 69hemidaytona on August 04, 2012, 05:26:12 PM
Great to see the differences in those brake shoes. And to think that the seller was an NOS parts dealer that had 3 sets of these on ebay but had the part number wrong by one digit! I'm glad I took the time to ask them to confirm the part number so I could snag all 3 sets. I'm going to put one set on my Daytona and save the third set in case I need them later. I hope to be in your area again soon...Tony
Tony,
Thanks to you I had the originals to use for the comparison! You know how much I appriciate you sharing original parts with me! Give me a heads up when your headed this way and I'll let you know what my crazy work schedule is. I am going to take one of the NOS strut rod bushings with me to the Nats and see if I can find anything?
Thanks! John
I'm glad I could help out a great guy. Thank you for the impossible to find parts you gave me as well.
I love the stories! Keep going. Carol
Quote from: marty42 on August 16, 2012, 02:53:44 PM
I love the stories! Keep going. Carol
:2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :popcrn: :popcrn: :popcrn:
Quote from: marty42 on August 16, 2012, 02:53:44 PM
I love the stories! Keep going. Carol
Thanks Carol!
I will keep going to help others! I wish I knew a little more before we restored our Daytona and maybe a little more time but you never know what tommorrow will bring. I had a pretty deep line in the sand for Talladega 2009! Sorry we didn't get to meet up at the Nats!
John
WHAT'S MOPAR JOHN BEEN UP TO??
This summer I got back to drag racing! At the DIVISION 3 ET FINALS in INDY 2010 we broke a rocker arm in the last time trial!
We took last year off and had the whole motor freshened up and repaired the rocker. This year we again ran at Oceola Dragway
near South Bend, Indiana! I work two weekends a month so I could only make half the points meets and finished 12th. This was good enough to make the DIVISION 3 ET FINALS again this year! I didn't renew my 9.99 and quicker license and was running right at
10 flat. We found out that down in Indy they were going to run 1/8th mile! This was a problem for me since my car is very quick in the eigth and my limit would be 6.40. I had been running 6.33 to 6.35 in the 1/8th so now what? I decided to make a stop for under the gas pedal to slow it down some. We got to Indy and we were to have two time trials on Friday. We'll the morning one got rained out@#&*(!
So Friday afternoon we got our first chance to see what it was going to do? Indy had the postponed US NATIONALS just the weekend before. The banners were still up so I pulled my GTX in front of the INDY class winners banner and had Linda take a picture.
The track was still in great shape and when I took off the front wheels came up and I ran a 6.21 with the pedal stop! WOW!!
I have attached a picture of that run. You can see from the grip the rear tires all wrinkled up and the car in a serious launch,
On my last time trial Saturday morning I moved the pedal stop up, moved the accelerator linkage up and took two degrees out of the timing! I ran my time trial and got my timeslip and it ran a 6.28@!$%^! Now I'm in trouble being too fast for my limit.
The weather was going to get warmer and I moved the pedal stop up a little more and put a 6.40 dial in on the window. In the first round I ran a Mustang and we both had great reaction times his an .016 and mine an .021. We ran side by side and I lost by .007 of a second!
When you factor in the .005 start differance we ran almost identical with him gaining another .002. I almost pulled a rabbit out of the hat.
The car ran well and is now put away for next year!
MJ
Back to the B5 Daytona! I had to put a new seal on the inner pinion housing as it had a small drip over time. Once this was replaced I lowered the Daytona off the storage stands and started getting ready for the MCACN show November 17th and 18th for the AERO car display! Out of the blue I get a call from Tony Malcein another midwest Daytona owner. Do you have an NOS engine wire harness on your 440? See my first attachment. The answer is no! That is the only harness on the Daytona that is not original! We worked out a deal as we have been going back and forth with rare NOS parts. It is now here and should be on the Daytona for the show! I have a couple of pictures of the NOS harness! WOW! 1 more repro part removed!
Thanks! Tony
HEMI GENO'S VISIT PART 1!
This chapter in my story starts out with a simple parts wanted ad! Gene had posted an ad looking for a simple part not a super rare NOS Daytona part. He was looking for an original hood pin clip. After his ad was on the internet for a couple of weeks I contacted him and asked him if he had any luck with his ad. His response was basically NO! So I told him I had a box of old hood pin stuff he was welcome to look through and see if he could find a mate to his "D" shaped clip?? On one of his trips up to Vance's he stopped by. We looked at all my clips and found the one he needed!! Month's later Gene contacted me and said he had come across an oddball clip and I was welcome to it to make a pair for me. I told him to ship it to me and he said he was coming through again with his Daytona and would drop it off! WOW! So Gene and his son Jonathan stop by with the truck and trailer with the Daytona inside. I help him turn around in my driveway and back up to the shop. About this time my son Mike drives by and he makes a frantic phone call! Dad are you home??? Yes, why? There is a very nice truck and trailer backed up to the shop where your blue Daytona is parked. So either there is a very nice car there or someone is stealing the Daytona! I put mike at ease and told him there was another VERY NICE Daytona over for a visit.
I would like to point out here that we ALL need to do this type of thing and keep watch for our friends and neighbors!!
Mike said don't let them leave I'm turning around! Mike arrived and Gene had the trailer doors open for him to check out the Daytona. Mike was smiling ear to ear as he has grown up with another R4 Daytona! Gene's son Johnathan and my son Mike probably know about as much about Daytonas as anyone out there! I have attached a picture of the hoodpin clips that were the reason for the visit!
The pins were not show worthy and have been sent to my favorite chrome plater to be replated. If my luck holds out I will have them on the Daytona at the MCACN show! Stay tuned for part 2 of the visit!
MJ
Would these clips have been in the #3549611 lock package
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,37978.0.html
Dave,
The pin clips of the spread out 3549611 lock packages look like they indeed have the "D" shape! Any extras?
MJ
HEMI GENO'S VISIT PART2!
Late this spring I get an e-mail from Gene and in it he tells me that he's going to have some extra tires after the Mopar Nationals?
I think what's up with that? His Daytona has F70 X 14 red lines and mine has F70 X 14 white lines. Later Gene explained that early on these were the only tires that he could find. I think he had thoughts of painting the white lines red or something? Anyway he found a nice set of origianl red lines and if they held air he would sell me the white line tires. With the price of original tires I was afraid to ask Gene how much he wanted for the set?? In the end he made me a great deal and I now have 4 1969 date coded tires! I am going to put the other set away for the R4 Daytona since it also has a white wing and a white front spoiler! I have attached a picture of the tires that Gene dropped off on the visit.
Thanks! Gene
MJ
Awesome stuff John !!!!! :2thumbs:
Glad I could help out a little.
Jonathan had fun on our stopover too - he liked the blue car as well as your Mustang. In fact, he had so much fun that he came down with a bug of some sort right after we came home. Mom didn't like that too much, which means young Master Jonathan will not be accompanying me to MCACN next month. Maybe spending an afternoon at a Go-Kart and MiniGolf complex in 50 degree weather wasn't such a good idea after all...
:brickwall:
50 degree weather up here means we are still wearing the regular speedo's and not the fur-lined ones....... :lol:
Quote from: maxwellwedge on October 25, 2012, 09:11:42 AM
50 degree weather up here means we are still wearing the regular speedo's and not the fur-lined ones....... :lol:
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Quote from: moparstuart on October 25, 2012, 10:20:09 AM
Quote from: maxwellwedge on October 25, 2012, 09:11:42 AM
50 degree weather up here means we are still wearing the regular speedo's and not the fur-lined ones....... :lol:
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Your one to laugh Stu. You and I are in for our first cold snap of the year. Hope your kittens have their mittens :nana:
Quote from: hemigeno on October 25, 2012, 09:08:38 AM
Glad I could help out a little.
Jonathan had fun on our stopover too - he liked the blue car as well as your Mustang. In fact, he had so much fun that he came down with a bug of some sort right after we came home. Mom didn't like that too much, which means young Master Jonathan will not be accompanying me to MCACN next month. Maybe spending an afternoon at a Go-Kart and MiniGolf complex in 50 degree weather wasn't such a good idea after all...
:brickwall:
Surely he would be better by the time MCACN rolled around , no?
Or was it a punishment handed down by Mom?
Sounds like she wears the pants in the family then , huh?
We already know who wears the diapers ... :D
Sorry Gene couldn't resist .. ;)
:icon_smile_blackeye:
The car and the two little ones running around the house are the only ones wearing diapers. Give me a few years and I'll be ready for Depends though.
Jonathan's fine now, but I know what the reaction from Mom would be if I suggested he tag along to Rosemont. Plus, that's a 4 day trip (including two schooldays too) rather than 1-1/2 days. A man's got to know his limitations.
Jimbo, I'm sure you're not the only Canuck shaking your head at tenderfooted types when it comes to 'cold' weather. I'm fine with it up to a point, but Jonathan didn't bring his coat along on the trip and letting him have some fun ended up backfiring.
Sorry for the hijack, John...
Understood about the limitations on taking the boy Gene.
The diaper comment was directed to your car I guess not really at you personally.
Believe it was wearing 4 at the time of the comment/pic ;)
I hope to be dead before I have to wear Depends, thank you very much
Gotta have a little dignity in my life... :lol:
MCACN SHOW
Most of our plans fell into place to make the show! The one thing that didn't go according to plan was the replating of the original hood pin clips. I had sent them off to the plater with a 11-15-12 deadline. Then we get our confirmation paperwork stating that the invited AERO car display had a priority move in on 11-15-12! The clips didn't make it here until later that day and were waiting by the door when Linda and I got home. I have attached a picture of the replated clips. I will put them on soon. Another neat part of the show was that all 5 OE Daytonas did make it! Also for the first time Gene Lewis and I were able to line up our consecutive vin Daytonas side by side! Thanks for all the kind comments and visits at the show!
MJ
:drool5: nice :2thumbs: :popcrn:
MCACN SHOW PART 2!
At the MCACN show our Daytona received the Buddy Martin ( of Sox & Martin fame ) celeberity chioce of the show award! When Buddy found out that I have been drag racing for the last 41 years he felt his award went to the right place. I have attached a couple of pictures of the award.
Finally after the show and working a bunch of hours last week I had some time in the garage. The third picture shows one of the replated hood pin clips installed on the Daytona. I have also attached a picture of an NOS drainplug for the 402 pan and special washer! I recently bought the plug off EBAY and hemigeno gave me the washer. I have seen both for sale recently and now you know what they look like. I am going to check out the ones on the Daytona when I change the oil next spring.
MJ
Quote from: Mopar John on November 27, 2012, 07:49:20 PM
MCACN SHOW PART 2!
At the MCACN show our Daytona received the Buddy Martin ( of Sox & Martin fame ) celeberity chioce of the show award! When Buddy found out that I have been drag racing for the last 41 years he felt his award went to the right place. I have attached a couple of pictures of the award.
Finally after the show and working a bunch of hours last week I had some time in the garage. The third picture shows one of the replated hood pin clips installed on the Daytona. I have also attached a picture of an NOS drainplug for the 402 pan and special washer! I recently bought the plug off EBAY and hemigeno gave me the washer. I have seen both for sale recently and now you know what they look like. I am going to check out the ones on the Daytona when I change the oil next spring.
MJ
Yup John I can confirm that washer is correct for the oil pan plug. :lol:
Quote from: Mopar John on November 27, 2012, 07:49:20 PM
I have also attached a picture of an NOS drainplug for the 402 pan and special washer! I recently bought the plug off EBAY and hemigeno gave me the washer. I have seen both for sale recently and now you know what they look like. I am going to check out the ones on the Daytona when I change the oil next spring.
MJ
Dedication to the 10th degree !! :2thumbs:
NOS ENGINE WIRE HARNESS INSTALLED!
After a week of midnights with the last 2 being 14 hour shifts it was time for some of what I call SHOP THERAPY!! I slept until lunch on Monday so I would be able to sleep last night. Then after having lunch with Linda it was out to the shop! I checked the mouse traps to make sure there were no intruders, the de-humidifier and the furnace. All was well and it was time to start the Daytona! I wanted to run it check everything and made sure it worked before and then change out the wire harness. I unhooked the battery and followed the engine harness around one plug at a time till I ended up at the horn relay. This took some time to follow the right path and not mess anything up in the process! I checked all the connectors and then reattached the battery. Next up was to restart the Daytona and again make sure everything related to this harness still worked? Well it was a mission accomplished the horn and washer worked along with the guages and charging system. I have attached a picture of the NOS harness installed at the bulkhead connector and then one of the repro harness. Some of the differances I noticed was wire color, part number tag color and placement and the thickness of the harness over all.
MJ
COMMENTS AT THE MCACN SHOW!!
Here is a summary of comments about our Daytona from the MCACN show and one major followup!
The general public was again amusing as people who knew very little tried to impress their friends! One comment was that ALL Daytonas came with five spoke rally wheels and not those cheesy Dodge Coronet hubcpas! Another was that all Daytonas came with power brakes and ours must have been taken off! The most popular one that makes most sense is with the kids. They all call it the KING from the movie CARS. Well at least it has a wing and it's blue! Most others comments were positive and thumbs up and many pictures taken!
Aside from the public we had time to spend with fellow Daytona owners who know the cars and have followed a similar path to the show level. I spent time talking with a lot of the Daytona owners and took part in a group seminar on Bob and Sharon Malcoms survivor Daytona. But I spent the most time discussing Daytonas with Gene Lewis who was set up next to us. During one of our chats he told me that the DUM DUM as some call it was missing on the vent windows of our Daytona! When he said that I remember him discussing it and the factory bulletin that he made reference to. Gene showed me how Vance duplicated this on his Daytona. So I made my self a mental note to add this detail. After a couple of stops I was able to get a roll of 3M brand window ribbon which is the same as DUM DUM or butyl.
So yesterday after I got the outside Christmas lights hung up it was back out to the shop! The first thing I did was to look at the other Daytona and the race car to see if there was any DUM DUM on the vent windows from the factory and what it looked like?
The first two pictures attached are of the 3M window ribbon that I used. The third picture is of an original 70 GTX vent window upper joint and the last picture is of an original Daytona lower vent window joint.
To be continued!
COMMENTS AT THE MCACN SHOW PART 2!
So next up was to install the DUM DUM! I cut off a piece and pretended I was back in art class and tried to make the shape I needed. I had an extra vent window and did a test installation on it. I didn't want to experiment on the Daytona. I have attached four pictures for you. The first two are the top vent window joint before and after then the same thing for the bottom vent window joint. So another item checked off the TO DO list. I would like to thank Gene for pointing this out in a positive way. If anyone needs some of this I have quite a bit left. Contact me and I'll try to figurs a way to get it to you. ENJOY!
MJ
I assume the butyl is there to keep water out. It looks like my Superbird has it. So it must apply across various B-bodies?
Don't you just love all the odd ball stuff that weird people notice about these car John? I mean really. Personally all the little odd details on a car is what I love. I am sure you already could guess but I think I took a picture of every car up there at the show, and then turned around and took almost 1,500 pictures of nuts, bolts, screws, tabs, runs in paint, and little odd ball stuff on a handful of cars. I like looking at those pictures more than the ones of whole cars.
Quote from: 69_500 on December 05, 2012, 09:23:35 PM
Don't you just love all the odd ball stuff that weird people notice about these car John? I mean really. Personally all the little odd details on a car is what I love. I am sure you already could guess but I think I took a picture of every car up there at the show, and then turned around and took almost 1,500 pictures of nuts, bolts, screws, tabs, runs in paint, and little odd ball stuff on a handful of cars. I like looking at those pictures more than the ones of whole cars.
Danny,
Only 1,500 pictures? Here are ten reasons why there should have been more taken!
1) One of the only surviving non restored Daytona's was there!
2) Two of twenty nine known HEMI Daytonas were there!
3) Three Daytonas received OE GOLD at this show!
4) Four of the 139 rare 4 speed Daytonas were there!
5) All five of the Mopar Nationals OE GOLD CERTIFIED Daytonas were there!
6) Six of the Daytona owners didn't bring their wives!
7) Seven out of the ten Daytonas had 5 spoke rally wheels on them!
8) There were eight differant original colors of Daytonas there!
9) Nine of the Daytonas had early production grille screens!
10) Ten very nice Daytonas at one show!!
MJ
Yeah but there was only 2 Daytona's there that I did not already have a folder of at least 500 pictures of that car on my computer. I probably have 1,000 pics of the Malcolm car. Gene's car I find something new to take pics of every time I see it. Then again he changes something on it every time I turn around too.
Quote from: 69_500 on December 06, 2012, 06:44:07 PM
Gene's car I find something new to take pics of every time I see it. Then again he changes something on it every time I turn around too.
:icon_smile_blackeye:
So true.... Just can't leave well enough alone, can I ??
Quote from: hemigeno on December 06, 2012, 06:55:52 PM
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:icon_smile_blackeye:
So true.... Just can't leave well enough alone, can I ??
Thanks John and Geno... Guess I have something else to do with the left over DUM DUM from my wind deflector to windshield DUM DUM installation. I'm back out to the garage to check on my vent window's DUM DUM.
Quote from: hemi68charger on December 08, 2012, 04:09:29 PM
Quote from: hemigeno on December 06, 2012, 06:55:52 PM
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:icon_smile_blackeye:
So true.... Just can't leave well enough alone, can I ??
Thanks John and Geno... Guess I have something else to do with the left over DUM DUM from my wind deflector to windshield DUM DUM installation. I'm back out to the garage to check on my vent window's DUM DUM.
Troy,
Take some pictures of what you find! I am curious if there is any DUM DUM there or not?
MJ
Quote from: Mopar John on December 05, 2012, 02:04:57 PM
The most popular one that makes most sense is with the kids. They all call it the KING from the movie CARS. Well at least it has a wing and it's blue!
Not my fault the rest of you didn't show up in Petty Blue 'birds! :nana:
We'll it's been a while since I posted about the B5 Daytona. There are several improvements in the works! One that is close to being done is replacing the rechromed original arm rest bases with a set of NOS bases! I have been watching for these and have finally put a complete set together! I didn't know if I mixed and matched if they all would look correct? I bought the front ones and then bought/traded with fellow Daytona owner Tony Malcein for the rears. Thanks Tony! Here is a picture of the set ready to be installed!
MJ
ORIGINAL DAYTONA LICENSE PLATE HARDWARE!!
At the MCACN show I had Gene Lewis parked next to me in the consecutive vin display. This gave me a lot of time to chat with Gene and look over all the small details he and Vance built into his restoration. I have previously mentioned the "DUM DUM". Another item I took note of was Gene's original 1969 Charger license plate kit. Almost all of these were opened at the dealership when the cars were prepped. The unused parts were either kept by the service tech and some later sold on EBAY or just lost. I was able to buy an NOS front license plate bracket in the original opened bag and instructions for a 1970 Cuda from Gene. This is the next best thing to a Charger kit as the Cuda uses the same bracket and hardware. The only differance is there are 2 more nylon nuts and 2 more screws in the kit. I am going to share some pictures of the parts that make up the kits!
The first picture shows the nylon license plate nuts. The more common newer ones are on the left and the original 69/70 are on the right. You will notice that although they look the same the correct ones are almost twice as thick!
The second picture shows the license plate screws. The more common newer ones are again on the left and the original 69/70 are on the right. You will notice again they look the same but the correct ones have a blunt end on the screw not pointed!
The third picture shows the front license plate bracket mounting hardware. Again the newer on the left and correct 69/70 on the right.
The origianls used C clips with bolts with washers not the J nuts and screws!
To be continued! MJ
ORIGINAL DAYTONA LICENSE PLATE KIT!
Here is a picture of the last 2 pieces in the license plate kit. The front license plate bracket and the rubber bumper.
After assembling all the correct parts I had my wife Linda take the kit to work and got the original bag resealed! THANKS LINDA!
The second picture shows the kit as it looked in the back of all the new 70 CUDA'S and 69 CHARGER"S!! The last picture shows an original Daytona front license plate bracket that should have come along with the original kit. This is my take on what you should have found in the trunk of a new unprepped Daytona trunk.
MJ
Man I give you and Gene credit for finding all these details. I know I don't have the patience. If you have some of that dum dum left I'd be interested in some. Is that the same stuff that goes along the whole length of the wind deflector? PM me and let me know.
Thanks
Tom
Quote from: r4daytona on May 31, 2013, 01:44:31 PM
Man I give you and Gene credit for finding all these details. I know I don't have the patience. If you have some of that dum dum left I'd be interested in some. Is that the same stuff that goes along the whole length of the wind deflector? PM me and let me know.
Thanks
Tom
is it the same stuff at just windshield installer butyl tape or is it different john
http://www.pplmotorhomes.com/parts/caulks-sealants/48463.htm?utm_source=google&utm_medium=partsshopping&utm_campaign=partsfeed&gclid=CLangeaIwbcCFQdk7Aode1sApQ
Stuart,
The installer tape is differant. Because it's flat it doesn't work out as well as the round stuff that used to be used to install the rear glass. If you back up in my post you will see a picture of my roll of sealer and how much thicker it is. Real good stuff to work with.
MJ
Quote from: Mopar John on May 31, 2013, 06:33:38 PM
Stuart,
The installer tape is differant. Because it's flat it doesn't work out as well as the round stuff that used to be used to install the rear glass. If you back up in my post you will see a picture of my roll of sealer and how much thicker it is. Real good stuff to work with.
MJ
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Quote from: Mopar John on December 08, 2012, 09:55:01 PM
Quote from: hemi68charger on December 08, 2012, 04:09:29 PM
Quote from: hemigeno on December 06, 2012, 06:55:52 PM
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:icon_smile_blackeye:
So true.... Just can't leave well enough alone, can I ??
Thanks John and Geno... Guess I have something else to do with the left over DUM DUM from my wind deflector to windshield DUM DUM installation. I'm back out to the garage to check on my vent window's DUM DUM.
Troy,
Take some pictures of what you find! I am curious if there is any DUM DUM there or not?
MJ
All of this talk about DUM DUM got me a wonderin. Where did that name come from? I googled it and I'll bet you guys didn't know that there is a city in India called DUM DUM. There is also a band called The DUM DUM Girls. Now that I know this I feel quite smart even though when I was a kid my nickname was, you guessed it DUM DUM!
Tony,
Maybe when you were a kid they called you DUM DUM but who has the HEMI DAYTONA now!
MJ
" WITH A LITTLE HELP FROM MY FRIENDS"
I think that's how the song goes? Anyway a while back I get an e-mail out of the blue from my friend Joe Sawyer. He goes by the user name 70gtx440dana on this site. It turns out that Joe bought a stash of parts and included were 3 NOS hubcaps like the ones on our Daytona. He wanted to know if I would be interested before he tried selling them to the general public? We exchanged some e-mails and pictures and I bought them at what I felt was a friend to friend deal! The hubcaps on the Daytona were advertised as NOS and looked great when I got them. But the ones I got from Joe were still in their original boxes and MINTY MINT shape. No flaws and great colors in the painted accents. I have attached some pictures of the hubcaps and original boxes.
Thanks Joe!
A great find John :2thumbs:
Congrats, I think. I know they're original but I really don't like those caps :lol:
John....thanks for the kind words. I am so glad those caps went to you and your fine Daytona. I wish you well in finding that elusive fourth NOS cap. Take care! Joe
Quote from: 70gtx440dana on October 07, 2013, 08:08:53 PM
John....thanks for the kind words. I am so glad those caps went to you and your fine Daytona. I wish you well in finding that elusive fourth NOS cap. Take care! Joe
Joe,
I have found someone who has just one in a box to finish the set. He is also a friend of mine. He bought it in order to restore his
NOS/MINT hubcaps with fresh paint the right colors! I don't know if I'll end up with it so I'm on the hunt for another still in the box? :shruggy:
Thanks! John
"WITH A LITTLE HELP FROM MY FRIENDS" PART 2!
So at some point I will swap out the hubcaps and while I'm doing that I'll change out the 2 non 69 dated tires for the 2 1969 dated tires I got from hemigeno!
While I'm on hemigeno he is another friend who helped out with a bunch of parts before and after the Daytona was judged. While we were parked next to each other at the MCACN show I continued to bug Gene about his left overs. I figured now that he was showing the Daytona It was a good time? Soon after that Linda and I made a trip down to Gene's place. Gene and I went through a bunch of his stuff and made a big pile on the work bench. It took some time but I finally got all the stuff paid for and started sorting it out. Some items were just a single when a pair was needed or just parts of a set. A good example is that I bought Gene's left over NOS emergency brake cables. He had 2 pedal to rear cables and 2 short left side cables. One of each loose and one of each in the original packaging. These made excellant reference pieces as so many are loose now. The first thing that happened is that I did a part number search for the missing long right side cable. I found 2 out there! One from Len Dawson and one from Brad's NOS parts. By the time I contacted Len his was sold!@#$%^&*()! Then I contacted Brad and made a trade in his favor of NOS parts and got a long right side cable also in the package! Then last week a pair of NOS rear cables show up on EBAY and I won the auction! WOW! I now have 2 complete sets of emergency brake cables with one extra short left side! So while the wheels and tires are off the B5 Daytona I plan to install the loose NOS cables on it! The EBAY cables arrived just yesterday and I have attached a picture of all the NOS emergency brake cables!
So the bottom line is that all this wouldn't be possible with out the help of hemigeno! THANKS GENE!!!
MJ
Quote from: Mopar John on October 09, 2013, 09:59:56 AM
So the bottom line is that all this wouldn't be possible with out the help of hemigeno! THANKS GENE!!!
MJ
Glad to help out, John - you did the same for me too!
:cheers:
Quote from: Mopar John on October 09, 2013, 09:59:56 AM
"WITH A LITTLE HELP FROM MY FRIENDS" PART 2!
:boogie: :notworthy:
" WELL SORTED CAR "
Recently I started the B5 Daytona and took it for short ride around the place. I try to do this about once a month just to keep everything fresh and in working order. This time it was cool out and I left the windows up. I noticed a hissing sound coming from the dash board??????? We'll it could only be one thing the hide away headlight vacum system! I made a mental note and when I got some time I found my extra harness and switch and went to investigate. I removed the vacum harness plug off the switch and put it on my extra switch. I started the Daytona and found that I had a vacum leak where one of the hoses went into the switch!@#$%^&**(! So I used some MOPAR rubberized silicone and sealed the leak. I waited a few days and put it back on the switch and started the Daytona again and listened for the hissing sound and it was gone! I then put the retainer clip on and checked this item off my list. Now here is were it gets good! The vacum leak was causing all kinds of problems in the way the Daytona ran! Once the leak was fixed it started better, picked up some idle speed and most noticable was when I mashed down on the pedal the rpm's came up a whole lot better. It would tend to bog then ramp up previously. I blame that on low vacum to operate the distributor advance because of the leak. Now I plan on restting the idle because it's too fast now and recheck the timing because of the distributor advance being affected. I will also recheck the dwell.
If you go back to Talladega 2009 where we had picked up the Daytona and went straight to the show. The Daytona wouldn't even start without priming the carb with a squirt of gas? The first item to be corrected was the fuel pump. I went to a high volume pump thinking it would fill the carb quicker? All it did was send more back to the tank as I had a faulty fuel vapor separator! The next thing that happened is I spent a lot of time with point dwell, sparkplugs and timing trying to get the Daytona to run better! I ended up sending the carb to Scott Harms to get re-rebuilt! He did not rebuild it the first time. When I got the carb back the Daytona started a LOT better and ran a LOT better! I would rate it at 85% then. I had tried other things but not much improvement till I stumbled across the vacum leak. I would now rate the starting and running at 95%! With the items to be checked out I expect it to run real nice and be a "well sorted car"! This is a term I came across recently in a for sale ad and it fits my situation!
MJ
Wow, I've never seen a compilation of NOS this size on a car restoration before. Top notch resto for sure.
I gotta ask a dumb question about the H-pipe on page 33. What's with the flat spots in the tubing?
I can't imagine the feeling you must have when you "mash down" the pedal on that incredible Daytona! Such an unbelievably beautiful car and driven like it was originally intended. I think this is the most interesting thread on the site. Thanks.
Quote from: bull on November 13, 2013, 10:16:29 PM
Wow, I've never seen a compilation of NOS this size on a car restoration before. Top notch resto for sure.
I gotta ask a dumb question about the H-pipe on page 33. What's with the flat spots in the tubing?
bull,
Thanks for the praise on all the NOS and restoration!
Today I went out and took a picture of a factory original H pipe. It's rusty but you can see how it gets flat in the cross member area. I believe it is for clearance.
MJ
That makes sense. They just look so long...
Factory exhaust have a lot of "flats" in them.
Quote from: maxwellwedge on November 18, 2013, 11:57:54 AM
Factory exhaust have a lot of "flats" in them.
yeah...since TTI can tuck a 3" exhaust into the car pretty cleanly it seems to me they left Cousin Cletus alone with the pipe flattener a bit too long during R&D.
2 + 1 + 1 = FULL SET!
Not long ago I posted where I had received a call from my friend and fellow Mopar guy Joe sawyer. During the call he told me that he had picked up 3 NOS hubcaps like the ones on our B5 Daytona. I ended up with those as they were just a bit better than the ones on the Daytona probably because they were stored all these years in their original boxes. After that I started looking around for that fourth cap to make a full set. We'll one popped up on EBAY last week also in the box and I bought it. I want to THANK all the guys who sent me pm's or e-mails telling me about the NOS cap on EBAY! So today I'm off getting ready to start midnights tonight and 426 Linda is working. So I went out to the shop this morning and started all the vehicles as I try to do every couple of weeks. Then I put the B5 Daytona up on jack stands for the winter. After lunch I went to town and when I arrived back home there was a box on the front porch about the size of a hubcap box. My last Christmas present to myself had arrived! I have attached a picture of my now full set of NOS in the box hubcaps! GREAT! I have also attached a picture of a pull tag that I had not spotted before on the back of one of the caps I got from Joe. It shows a quantity of 2! So somewhere along the line a guy added one and made 3 and now I have added the fourth for the full set!
I hope you all have some great holidays!
MJ
:boogie:
WooHooo !!!! :2thumbs:
What a great story! When does the book come out and then the movie? :popcrn:
Quote from: white on December 28, 2013, 11:09:26 AM
What a great story! When does the book come out and then the movie? :popcrn:
That's a great idea! :scratchchin:
I have gone back to the beginning and started to make a copy of the story just in case!
Thanks! MJ
What a great score with getting hold of the hubcaps MJ
Your detailing and documentation on this thread is a good read, great to see. Thanks :cheers:
I havn't posted anything about our B5 Daytona in a while. Here is some news about this car. 426 Linda and I received an invitation to show the Daytona at the Concours D'Elegance of America at the Inn at St. John in Plymouth, Michigan on Sunday July 27th. The invitation stated that the Daytona would be part of a special Aero Car class. We accepted and returned the application. We have now receieved our confirmation and credentials! We hope to be part of a nice group of cars on display and that many of you Aero car fans stop by the show and say hi!
MJ
Quote from: Mopar John on June 26, 2014, 06:08:06 PM
I havn't posted anything about our B5 Daytona in a while. Here is some news about this car. 426 Linda and I received an invitation to show the Daytona at the Concours D'Elegance of America at the Inn at St. John in Plymouth, Michigan on Sunday July 27th. The invitation stated that the Daytona would be part of a special Aero Car class. We accepted and returned the application. We have now receieved our confirmation and credentials! We hope to be part of a nice group of cars on display and that many of you Aero car fans stop by the show and say hi!
MJ
Sounds very nice and fun...... They will be honored and, I'm sure, much appreciative of your car there. You will do the Mopar and Aerocar population proud.......
Hope they put my car a long way from your car. Mine looks bad enough on it's own, would look even more worn if it's close to yours.
Quote from: 69_500 on June 27, 2014, 03:23:03 PM
Hope they put my car a long way from your car. Mine looks bad enough on it's own, would look even more worn if it's close to yours.
Danny,
You will be fine. I think they like to have a good mix of cars.
That is survivor/unrestored, restored and driven.
See you there!
MJ
NEW COMPUTOR!
Some time last summer my home computer locked up and I couldn't post pictures!
On black Friday Linda bought me a new computer and a couple of weeks ago we
reorganized our den and installed the new computer. It has taken me a while to
self teach myself how to transfer and resize my pictures.
B5 DAYTONA ASH TRAY!
At both the Mopar Natonals and MCACN shows the B5 Daytona was penalized a point
for the condition of the inside of the ash tray! A while ago my friend Tony Malcein
bought a complete NOS ash tray assembly for his Daytona. He had already bought a
receptacle with outside cover. I was able to buy this part from him. My first picture
shows this NOS part. The second picture shows the inside of my original ash tray
after it was bead blasted and replated. On a visit to Troy Angelly's shop I had him
swap out the receptacles. In my third picture you see the NOS receptacle with the
blue outside cover. During this swap Troy noticed that the wrong rivits were used
during the restoration? The ash tray should have compression rivits and not pop rivits!
In the first and second picture you will see the difference on the inside end!
The last picture shows the correct rivits installed on the outside cover.
I am happy to check this item off my to do list! Thanks Tony!
MJ
http://www.ebay.com/itm/400489908480?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
Here are the correct rivets on Ebay John if you ever need more. Interesting fact here a Road Runner or other non rally dash car has the same ash tray receptacle. At least the receptacle is the same and can be riveted to the rally dash car cover. Probably shouldn't have said this as I need one more NOS ashtray. Oh well. :2thumbs:
Dave ,
What year did I sell you that T/A challenger and what did I sell it to you for ? I'm thinking 1988 for 2500?
Larry
Quote from: daytonalo on January 12, 2015, 07:54:06 PM
Dave ,
What year did I sell you that T/A challenger and what did I sell it to you for ? I'm thinking 1988 for 2500?
Larry
Sorry Larry I don't think I'm the Dave you are thinking of if you are referring to me. Another Dave I guess. :icon_smile_wink:
Oh ya when were going to deliver my Challenger? Still waiting. :lol: just kidding, take care. Dave
Quote from: Davtona on January 12, 2015, 10:12:14 PM
Quote from: daytonalo on January 12, 2015, 07:54:06 PM
Dave ,
What year did I sell you that T/A challenger and what did I sell it to you for ? I'm thinking 1988 for 2500?
Larry
Sorry Larry I don't think I'm the Dave you are thinking of if you are referring to me. Another Dave I guess. :icon_smile_wink:
Oh ya when were going to deliver my Challenger? Still waiting. :lol: just kidding, take care. Dave
Maybe it is Dave W.? He has a TA from what I understand?
Quote from: Davtona on January 12, 2015, 05:46:25 PM
http://www.ebay.com/itm/400489908480?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
Here are the correct rivets on Ebay John if you ever need more. Interesting fact here a Road Runner or other non rally dash car has the same ash tray receptacle. At least the receptacle is the same and can be riveted to the rally dash car cover. Probably shouldn't have said this as I need one more NOS ashtray. Oh well. :2thumbs:
Dave,
Thanks for the link to the correct rivits! I think I'll get a pair and put them with the extra NOS outside cover.
Then if I'm lucky and find another nice receptacle I can put another assembly together. Need to get the small
items when you can!
Thanks! MJ
FIRST AID FOR MY DAYTONA??
Sometimes when I'm on the internet browsing I come across a neat item!
In my first picture is a Dodge first aid kit that I bought. The second picture
shows the vintage first aid items that are inside. The logo on the first aid kit
looks like it came from 1969 when the Daytona was built?
The third picture shows the first aid kit with the window sticker and the last
picture shows it with the repair manual and interior selector book.
In both cases the Dodge logo looks the same to me. I don't know if dealers
had these around or if you had to order them? In any case a nice addition
to the Daytona glovebox!
MJ
Nicked a point for the inside of the ashtray? Man, glad my car doesn't have one!! :nana:
Quote from: odcics2 on January 19, 2015, 06:41:48 PM
Nicked a point for the inside of the ashtray? Man, glad my car doesn't have one!! :nana:
That's because it's the only thing they could find on this beautiful machine to complain about!
Quote from: Mopar John on January 19, 2015, 04:20:56 PM
FIRST AID FOR MY DAYTONA??
Sometimes when I'm on the internet browsing I come across a neat item!
In my first picture is a Dodge first aid kit that I bought. The second picture shows the vintage first aid items that are inside. The logo on the first aid kit looks like it came from 1969 when the Daytona was built? The third picture shows the first aid kit with the window sticker and the last
picture shows it with the repair manual and interior selector book. In both cases the Dodge logo looks the same to me. I don't know if dealers
had these around or if you had to order them? In any case a nice addition to the Daytona glovebox!
MJ
John,
I'm by no means an historian when it comes to logos & advertising, etc. - but it appears that logo format for "DODGE" was introduced somewhere around 1964-5, based on what I found on Hamtramck-Historical.com. Barry may know more on this subject. Here's the link to a catalog cover from Doug Hammer:
http://www.hamtramck-historical.com/dealerships/1965DealershipDataBook-01.shtml (http://www.hamtramck-historical.com/dealerships/1965DealershipDataBook-01.shtml)
Regardless, your first aid kit's a cool piece of vintage memorabilia. Just don't take the aspirin... :P
:cheers:
Stunning Daytona Mopar JOHN!!!
Hope to meet you and your beloved B5 at Dega this year!
Your wonderful car and Life story is excellent on every level...
Its very hard to comprehend this high standard of restoration!
Even by someone like me who adores these Mopar Marvels!
I am (hopefully) driving from LA in a friends SP Birdie...4000miles to go... :coolgleamA:
See you there, Mopar Gods willing...
500Jon.
Quote from: 500Jon on January 24, 2015, 07:55:33 AM
Stunning Daytona Mopar JOHN!!!
Hope to meet you and your beloved B5 at Dega this year!
Your wonderful car and Life story is excellent on every level...
Its very hard to comprehend this high standard of restoration!
Even by someone like me who adores these Mopar Marvels!
I am (hopefully) driving from LA in a friends SP Birdie...4000miles to go... :coolgleamA:
See you there, Mopar Gods willing...
500Jon.
500Jon,
We are planning on attending the delayed 45th AERO WARRIOR REUNION with our B5 Daytona!
We did a lot of planning getting ready for it last fall including the purchase of a new trailer!
Hope to meet you and see some others who have had an extra year to finish their aero projects!
Glad you like the story!
MJ
Quote from: Mopar John on January 27, 2015, 11:23:15 AM
... We are planning on attending the delayed 45th AERO WARRIOR REUNION ...
Any scoop on said event? Maybe we can park our Daytonas in Tim's garage since he has a lot more room now...... :icon_smile_big:
Hi Mopar John.
Can't wait to see your stunning Daytona in the Flesh!
Did I mention B5 was my favourite colour followed by Sassy...
Any ways let me tell a Limey story that may sound familiar?
Back in the Eighties I had a 69 Sixpack Bee out side my house in London Town England.
A couple of guys knock on my door (brothers) and say they have a 70 Gtx Racecar in Burnt orange.
Well the 70 Gtx was actually in primer and she was FAST!!!
We got to be good friends and we raced the Gtx for many years.
Best time being 11.001 in stock trim and the stockish 440 engine.
Liked the Gtx's so much I bought my own a 71 Gtx in Sassy green.
Then I find the deal of the Century and buy a race-Dart (was the fastest in Europe 180@8.2 on pump gas).
My Moparmate Jim wanted in on the deal and gave me his 70 Gtx for half the Dart.
We took the 440 outta the Gtx and put it in the Dart, changed the cam and it went BANG!!!
That starts a whole new saga.....
Well any ways after 5 years of having the 70 Gtx I never used it, no motor.
So I sold it back to GtxJim and carried on with my own 71 GTX...
I hope to have both my Sassy 71 Gtx and my F8 C500 up and running this year...
ITS NOT EASY BEING GREEN!!!
very nice job :popcrn:
THE B5 DAYTONA NOW HAS A B5 SCHWINN BIKE FRIEND!
About a month or so ago Linda and I were in an antique store looking around and found what looks like a B5 blue Schwinn bike!
It is a Schwinn SLIK CHIK bike blue in color and all original. I got some information and contacted Bob Ashton that puts on the
MCACN shows. Bob is also a bike collector and has been adding muscle bikes to his shows the last few years.
After I got some info from Bob we went back and looked at the bike. It turns out that it's an all original bike including the tires.
Now get this, it was made within a few days of the B5 blue Daytona! The bike has a build date of May 1969! WOW!
I made an offer on the bike and it was accepted. We brought it home about a week ago. We aired up the original tires
and Linda was out for a spin. I have never seen another girls bike like this!
MJ
There is no way to leave a trader score on this site (there should be!), so I'll just leave this here:
I recently posted a WANT ad on this site for a dash bezel for my '69 Charger. Long story short, John saw this and messaged me with a deal I couldn't resist. The part was in amazing shape and he shipped it early the next morning. I now have all three correct bezel pieces (my car has been without for 15+ years) and I couldn't be more impressed with the quality of the piece.
He gets an A++++++ rating and 10/10 stars. If you are looking for quality stuff, get a hold of this guy ASAP. :2thumbs:
- Mike
Cool bike. Love the name.
It has been a while since I posted about our B5 Daytona.
It has been on loan to the Gilmore Car Museum enjoying lots of attention.
I have never stopped looking for items that would make the Daytona more correct.
Recently a guy listed some original Goodyear F70 X 14 white line tires for sale on Moparts.
There was one that was made in April of 1969!
I purchased it and now have a full set of tires that were made just before the Daytona.
I have one from February 1969, two from April 1969 and one from May 1969.
I also have one from September 1969 as the spare for now.
I am still on the lookout for one more made before June 1969.
The first picture shows the recent tires date code of JS02P12.
The second picture shows the outside of the tire.
The last picture is a close up of tire tread that's in great shape.
John, I'm going to throw out a big caution on those tires. The only time I would put them on you car is after it has rolled where it needs to go and is standing still. I wouldn't even use them to roll on and off of a trailer. From the pictures, the tires look nice, what you can't see is the hardening of the rubber and cords inside the tire. There don't look to be any tiny cracks in the rubber surface but that is probably only because they have not had weight put on them and then flexed. I would be willing to bet a couple of bucks that the first time you put them on your car and roll it very far at all (1/2 mile) you'll see a bunch of hairline cracks appear. Just because they've never been used does not mean they have not aged. :Twocents:
Use them for show but not for GO.
Quote from: green69rt on January 26, 2016, 05:40:42 PM
John, I'm going to throw out a big caution on those tires. The only time I would put them on you car is after it has rolled where it needs to go and is standing still. I wouldn't even use them to roll on and off of a trailer. From the pictures, the tires look nice, what you can't see is the hardening of the rubber and cords inside the tire. There don't look to be any tiny cracks in the rubber surface but that is probably only because they have not had weight put on them and then flexed. I would be willing to bet a couple of bucks that the first time you put them on your car and roll it very far at all (1/2 mile) you'll see a bunch of hairline cracks appear. Just because they've never been used does not mean they have not aged. :Twocents:
Use them for show but not for GO.
green69rt,
Thanks for the warning and information on the tires!
Our Daytona has had about 40 miles put on it since restoration back in 2008!
Most of those miles were at the 40th Aero Warrior Reunion at Talladega!
The Daytona was on reproduction tires at that time.
Those have been sold for another restoration as I found the originals.
For now the car resides in the Gilmore Car Museum.
MJ
2016 MOPARS AT THE RED BARNS!
Yesterday Linda and I planned to take our Superbird to the 2016 Mopars AT The Red Barns show.
It's about a 100 mile drive and about half way there it started raining and got worse as we got closer to the show !@#$%^&*()!
We decided to leave the Superbird in the trailer and visit our Daytona that's on loan to the Gilmore Car Museum.
To keep the museum fresh they have moved the Daytona and the other cars from the Mid Century Performance display
into the newly created muscle car room!
They have added a few more cars including a very nice 1970 Superbee!
Attached is a picture of the Daytona in the muscle car room.
MJ
Quote from: Mopar John on July 31, 2016, 06:34:46 PM
2016 MOPARS AT THE RED BARNS!
Yesterday Linda and I planned to take our Superbird to the 2016 Mopars AT The Red Barns show.
It's about a 100 mile drive and about half way there it started raining and got worse as we got closer to the show !@#$%^&*()!
We decided to leave the Superbird in the trailer and visit our Daytona that's on loan to the Gilmore Car Museum.
To keep the museum fresh they have moved the Daytona and the other cars from the Mid Century Performance display
into the newly created muscle car room!
They have added a few more cars including a very nice 1970 Superbee!
Attached is a picture of the Daytona in the muscle car room.
MJ
Very cool !!!! Fitting to have the moon landing picture over looking your Daytona.... :2thumbs:
The moon landing happened between the time these cars were produced at the factory and the time they were all shipped out to the dealers. If the moon landing really happen that is. :nana:
You decide! Two of the best websites ever - other than DC.com of course!
http://www.firstmenonthemoon.com/
and last men on the moon:
http://apollo17.org/
Maybe some of the same aerodynamic engineers worked on moonshot and Daytonas.
THE B5 DAYTONA RETURNS HOME!
We were notified a couple of weeks ago that the Gilmore Car Museum was ending it's " MID CENTURY PERFORMANCE " display and that the Daytona would be coming home.
The agreement was for a period of up to 2 years. It was on display for 18 month's and seen by thousands of people!
They delivered the Daytona this morning and for the first time both restored wing cars were home together!
I have attached a couple of photos of them here at home.
MJ
THAT, is a dream garage
p.s. - i'm stealing that last photo to show it off
Quote from: Mopar John on October 03, 2016, 05:48:50 PM
THE B5 DAYTONA RETURNS HOME!
... first time both restored wing cars were home together!
I have attached a couple of photos of them here at home.
MJ
Nice !!!! One day I'll have the same view.... Looking great John !!! :2thumbs:
I want to thank you for the detail you provided, it is extremely helpful seeing correct parts and such for others correcting cars. Way to much miss information when researching, and the level of detail you go to providing correct information, along with those who contribute with information they know to be correct (not shooting from the hip) has been very educational. Thank you, G
Quote from: Dragon Slayer on February 27, 2017, 08:04:00 AM
I want to thank you for the detail you provided, it is extremely helpful seeing correct parts and such for others correcting cars. Way to much miss information when researching, and the level of detail you go to providing correct information, along with those who contribute with information they know to be correct (not shooting from the hip) has been very educational. Thank you, G
I am thrilled that new members are still getting value and knowledge out of our Daytona's journey!
MJ
WRONG WIPER SWITCH !@#$%^&*()!
Every so often I get a call from my friend Tony Malcein who is restoring a very nice Daytona.
He usually asks where I got something or what I used for what?
Because his business travels takes him within a mile of the house he stops by and checks out Daytona details also.
One day when Tony was working on windshield wiper switches he stopped by to check mine out.
He discovered that I had a 1970 style metal rocker switch on mine !%^&*(!
Then he also noticed that I had a 3 speed switch on a 2 speed wiper motor?
All turned out well as Tony had purchased an NOS 2 speed switch to see if he could use the rocker switch on his 3 speed.
That didn't work and Tony sold me his NOS 2 speed switch.
Yesterday I unhooked the battery and crawled under the dash and removed the 3 speed switch.
The funny thing was that the harness connector fit both switches and there were two extra wires to connect the 3 speed switch.
After reading the factory diagram one of the wires is UNUSED with a 2 speed switch.
This morning I finished installing the switch and tested it!
Attached is a picture of the NOS correct 2 speed switch installed!
Thanks Tony!
MJ
Quote from: Mopar John on January 26, 2016, 03:45:10 PM
It has been a while since I posted about our B5 Daytona.
It has been on loan to the Gilmore Car Museum enjoying lots of attention.
I have never stopped looking for items that would make the Daytona more correct.
Recently a guy listed some original Goodyear F70 X 14 white line tires for sale on Moparts.
There was one that was made in April of 1969!
I purchased it and now have a full set of tires that were made just before the Daytona.
I have one from February 1969, two from April 1969 and one from May 1969.
I also have one from September 1969 as the spare for now.
I am still on the lookout for one more made before June 1969.
The first picture shows the recent tires date code of JS02P12.
The second picture shows the outside of the tire.
The last picture is a close up of tire tread that's in great shape.
Just saw this - Any tires where the middle tread is wider than the others?? If so, that's an OEM assy line MoPar tire.
I found this out many years ago when looking for Goodyear redlines for XX29L9B383272.
Quote from: odcics2 on October 10, 2017, 03:41:33 PM
Any tires where the middle tread is wider than the others?? If so, that's an OEM assy line MoPar tire.
Just making sure I understand what you're saying...
Does the tire in the bottom pic have the wider middle ("B") tread?
Yes, "B" is wider than "A".
Assy line redline!
Back in the day, (1990s) I had 20 redlines, most NOS, to come up with 5 correct assy line tires.
I always like these small but IMPORTANT details that pop up!
But, This red line tire width is in a reply for a Daytona that came with F70 X 14 white lines.
So before I crawl under the Daytona with a tape measure do we know if the middle tread width
on white line assembly line tires are wider also? :shruggy:
Thanks! MJ
The info about the center tread being wider on an assembly line tire is cool. I love learning this stuff!
Quote from: Mopar John on October 11, 2017, 10:51:30 AM
I always like these small but IMPORTANT details that pop up!
But, This red line tire width is in a reply for a Daytona that came with F70 X 14 white lines.
So before I crawl under the Daytona with a tape measure do we know if the middle tread width
on white line assembly line tires are wider also? :shruggy:
Thanks! MJ
No need to climb under the car. It can be seen by the naked eye, no measuring required.
John- I'd suggest finding a known white line that is a spare, still in the trunk of a survivor 1969 B Body. I know about the red line, but can't speak of the white line. One would think, there is a strong possibility the center tread is wider, but research has to be done! :cheers:
Quote from: hemigeno on October 10, 2017, 03:58:06 PM
Quote from: odcics2 on October 10, 2017, 03:41:33 PM
Any tires where the middle tread is wider than the others?? If so, that's an OEM assy line MoPar tire.
Just making sure I understand what you're saying...
Does the tire in the bottom pic have the wider middle ("B") tread?
Hey Geno, I'm guessing those are pics of the tires that went on the Red Daytona? Looks like the right rims.
John - I'd compare all the sidewall markings of an original white line with a red line. Maybe the only difference in the tires is the stripe color, meaning they could have easily come off the same molds. Remember, they were also making tires to GM and Ford specs. OEM assy line GM redlines, for example, did not have the wider center tread. Nor did aftermarket.
Details, details. :Twocents:
Quote from: Davtona on October 11, 2017, 09:55:14 PM
Hey Geno, I'm guessing those are pics of the tires that went on the Red Daytona? Looks like the right rims.
Yeah, those are the same tires & rims you remember, although they're not normally installed. The spare isn't shown in that shot (no reason to take it out of the trunk compartment), but it's the same pattern.
Quote from: odcics2 on October 10, 2017, 03:41:33 PM
Quote from: Mopar John on January 26, 2016, 03:45:10 PM
It has been a while since I posted about our B5 Daytona.
It has been on loan to the Gilmore Car Museum enjoying lots of attention.
I have never stopped looking for items that would make the Daytona more correct.
Recently a guy listed some original Goodyear F70 X 14 white line tires for sale on Moparts.
There was one that was made in April of 1969!
I purchased it and now have a full set of tires that were made just before the Daytona.
I have one from February 1969, two from April 1969 and one from May 1969.
I also have one from September 1969 as the spare for now.
I am still on the lookout for one more made before June 1969.
The first picture shows the recent tires date code of JS02P12.
The second picture shows the outside of the tire.
The last picture is a close up of tire tread that's in great shape.
Just saw this - Any tires where the middle tread is wider than the others?? If so, that's an OEM assy line MoPar tire.
I found this out many years ago when looking for Goodyear redlines for XX29L9B383272.
AWESOME info! :2thumbs: is the overall tread width wider? Anyone have an example other than 1969 model year POLYGLAS "red line"?
Quote from: 6bblgt on October 12, 2017, 12:06:42 PM
Quote from: odcics2 on October 10, 2017, 03:41:33 PM
Quote from: Mopar John on January 26, 2016, 03:45:10 PM
It has been a while since I posted about our B5 Daytona.
It has been on loan to the Gilmore Car Museum enjoying lots of attention.
I have never stopped looking for items that would make the Daytona more correct.
Recently a guy listed some original Goodyear F70 X 14 white line tires for sale on Moparts.
There was one that was made in April of 1969!
I purchased it and now have a full set of tires that were made just before the Daytona.
I have one from February 1969, two from April 1969 and one from May 1969.
I also have one from September 1969 as the spare for now.
I am still on the lookout for one more made before June 1969.
The first picture shows the recent tires date code of JS02P12.
The second picture shows the outside of the tire.
The last picture is a close up of tire tread that's in great shape.
Just saw this - Any tires where the middle tread is wider than the others?? If so, that's an OEM assy line MoPar tire.
I found this out many years ago when looking for Goodyear redlines for XX29L9B383272.
AWESOME info! :2thumbs: is the overall tread width wider? Anyone have an example other than 1969 model year POLYGLAS "red line"?
Yes, the Assy line OEM MoPar Goodyear redline is wider.
Well, I have checked all 11 of my vintage Goodyear F70 X 14 white line Polyglass tires for width.
I have been buying these tires for years now working my way toward a full set of spring of 1969 made tires.
So I have 5 tires from then and all are the same width across the middle as the rest of the pattern.
I hope that this is a red line line only deal!
MJ
Quote from: Mopar John on October 14, 2017, 10:53:00 AM
Well, I have checked all 11 of my vintage Goodyear F70 X 14 white line Polyglass tires for width.
I have been buying these tires for years now working my way toward a full set of spring of 1969 made tires.
So I have 5 tires from then and all are the same width across the middle as the rest of the pattern.
I hope that this is a red line line only deal!
MJ
Hope you are correct! :coolgleamA:
Now, work towards all from the same plant! :nana:
:cheers:
FINALLY WENT FOR A RIDE!
A while back I stated that the only negative thing that happened during the B5 Daytona's visit to the Gilmore Car Museum was a dead battery.
So each time I wanted to start the Daytona I had to remove the other restoration battery out of the Superbird.
So after getting the 2 speed wiper switch installed I went out and bought a good high cranking amp group 27 battery.
I don't know if it was age or off and on usage but the new battery cranked over the Daytona way better than the old one and started right up!
I drove it around in the driveway and checked everything out or so I thought and went for a ride to the near by Purdue northwest campus.
Those college kids always enjoy the old wing cars!
All went well till the return trip and when I went to turn into my driveway my turn signal didn't work !@#$%^&*(!
I am glad no one was right behind me.
I pulled the parking lamp and changed the bulb. That didn't fix it?
I then got my tester and worked my way all the way back to the firewall connector with no power?
I then moved the connector around a bit and regained power! GREAT!
Then I worked my way back to the park lamp and all was good so I put the original bulb back in.
So when I say I checked everything out before I went for a road trip I have now added an electrical check to my list!
If you go back to page 26 from July 19 of 2010 you will see that the Daytona had 24,016 miles on it when it was restored.
This little road trip has pushed the odometer to just over 24,100 miles!
MJ
Would this be the longest drive it has taken in the last 40 years?
Quote
If you go back to page 26 from July 19 of 2010 you will see that the Daytona had 24,016 miles on it when it was restored.
This little road trip has pushed the odometer to just over 24,100 miles!
it's worn out now, so let's get her parted out.
some people might not even need to repaint anything
Quote from: held1823 on October 20, 2017, 01:22:48 PM
Quote
If you go back to page 26 from July 19 of 2010 you will see that the Daytona had 24,016 miles on it when it was restored.
This little road trip has pushed the odometer to just over 24,100 miles!
it's worn out now, so let's get her parted out.
some people might not even need to repaint anything
Sign me up for the "A" pillar trim! :2thumbs:
:cheers:
Quote from: held1823 on October 20, 2017, 01:22:48 PM
Quote
If you go back to page 26 from July 19 of 2010 you will see that the Daytona had 24,016 miles on it when it was restored.
This little road trip has pushed the odometer to just over 24,100 miles!
it's worn out now, so let's get her parted out.
some people might not even need to repaint anything
oh boy :smilielol:
Quote from: Aero426 on October 20, 2017, 12:25:21 PM
Would this be the longest drive it has taken in the last 40 years?
Doug,
I think the longest drive was to Tim Welborns house and back or
out at the track at the 2009 AERO WARRIOR REUNION.
But this has to be the longest trip since then!
MJ
john, have you managed to shoot any outdoor photos of both cars together yet? the only photo of them both i recall seeing shows them in the garage (a few posts back in this thread.)
the bird is stunning, and i can never see enough of the b5 beauty. it happens to be my favorite color combo
10 YEARS OF HUNTING FOR NOS SPARK PLUG WIRES!
After 10 years of hunting I have finally put together a complete set of NOS spark plug wires for the Daytona!
I have had the help of many especially Justin ( moparnation74 ) who went in with me on a batch of NOS wires,
Greg ( odcics2 ) who took one of the best dated wires out of a lot for me and Mike Mancini from
American Muscle Car Restorations who pulled what I needed to finish up out of a set of mix matched NOS wires.
The first picture shows all the wires and parts to finish them laid out.
The second picture shows the NOS plastic holders.
The last picture shows the NOS wire wrap.
All that's left is to install the right boots on the right wires.
I will reply soon with some pictures of details to show NOS from reproductions!
MJ
NOS VS REPRODUCTION SPARK PLUG WIRES!
During my hunt for the NOS spark plug wires I came across some obvious and not so obvious differences!
The first picture shows an NOS original coil wire next to a reproduction coil wire.
The NOS original has WHITE print and the reproduction has YELLOW print like the rest of the wires!
The second picture again shows the coil wires with the NOS original having the smooth curved boot
and the reproduction has a sharp line in the middle of the boot!
The third picture shows a NOS 90 degree plug end boot with the correct mold line parallel with the plug wire.
The last picture shows a reproduction boot with the mold line parallel to the spark plug!
The white coil wire up front will be easy to spot.
MJ
Great detailing, John.
Glad to see someone that sets the standard for others.
:2thumbs:
:cheers:
Wow !!!
Which wire was the heat shield/cover placed on?
Stunning work John!
You are a credit to the Mopar World and the the great name of JOHN!!! :2thumbs:
I am so proud to be AERO owner and a JOHN too... :pity:
I feel bad about putting a NON-NOS quarterskin on now!
Oh well I can always cut it off again and fit a REAL one... :icon_smile_big: :icon_smile_big: :icon_smile_big:
I tried to carefully store my very, very old redlines but they just rotted away with time :'( :'( :'(
John
Congrats! Truly awesome that you got a complete set together.....Hopefully, it doesn't take me ten years to complete mine but at least I am a little over half way there.....
I really appreciate your thread and the time you are taking to compare the variations/differences between NOS and reproduction/superseded parts. With all the incorrect parts placed on "so claimed" OE restorations your thread is a valuable tool to learn from and to provide accurate information of whats correct.
Honestly, the Ford and Chevy guys in their OE restorations have far exceeded the level of quality and correctness the Mopar guys are spinning out.....This should not be this way by no means.....Basically, the "hard headed" Mopar gurus need to pull the stick back a bit and start fueling the hobby.....Versus trying to be someone with notoriety, prestige etc and to be a part of the Hobby by providing information and access to NOS parts and high quality parts.....
All you and me and the others restoring cars as such are trying to do is to preserve history......Trying to achieve as close to day 1 status the best we can do...
As I said before your restorations are Stellar and provide a big footprint to model by. I thank you for your help personally and the help you provide our Hobby!
Justin
Well said Justin!
Mopar prices are through the roof and have been double dear compared to Chevy and some Ford stuff.
Hardcore Mopar guys are used to paying Top DOLLAR for everything NOS and don't even mention the 'Hemi' word...
Oh well, some things will never change for sure... ::)
Keep up the good work John, YOU IS DA MAN!!! :2thumbs:
Quote from: hemi68charger on January 15, 2018, 09:27:40 AM
Wow !!!
Which wire was the heat shield/cover placed on?
Troy,
The only place that I have seen the heat shield wrap was on the number 8 spark plug wire.
It would start somewhere at the base of the valve cover and go down to the spark plug boot.
That #8 wire is in tight quarters back there between the head and firewall then around the exhaust manifold.
When the car is running and sitting still that has to be one of the hottest areas of the engine compartment.
MJ
First off I would like to thank John ( aerolith ) and Justin ( moparnation74 ) for the great comments and support on posting original details.
These items are seldom found now and a lot of folks wouldn't know what they were looking at without preservation of these details.
With that said I was working on my spark plug wire set and noticed another ORIGINAL detail on the spark plug wire plug end boots!
In addition to the mold line parallel with the plug wire each boot has a mold number cast into it!
I have attached some pictures showing these mold numbers.
If you know about this they are on the outside of the boot and easy to spot with a quick glance of the engine compartment.
I have a lot more coming up!
I am getting close to installing my very very close to original trunk mat in the Daytona.
I'm just waiting for my extra blank to level out so I can trace the outlines onto it for cutting.
I also have a NOS pair of rear door glass trim weatherstrips to share details on.
Also close to posting are inside window cranks.
When is the last time you saw a set of 4 in NOS!
MJ
HA! I have a pair of NOS handles for the 88 doors.
Don't need rears, since the 1/4 glass is fixed.
Quote from: Mopar John on January 17, 2018, 11:26:30 AM
Also close to posting are inside window cranks.
When is the last time you saw a set of 4 in NOS!
Quote from: odcics2 on January 17, 2018, 08:06:48 PM
HA! I have a pair of NOS handles for the 88 doors.
Don't need rears, since the 1/4 glass is fixed.
Just now!! Double HA!! :lol:
Silly part is power window switches are way easier to find NOS. I've had a set of those tucked away for years. I could use another NOS set of 4 manual cranks though if anyone has any.
Some background on John's car! Hot off the press!
http://www.hotrod.com/articles/saved-crusher-69-daytonas-amazing-story/
Is that Daytona matching numbers?
Quote from: 69hemidaytona on January 20, 2018, 02:09:21 PM
Is that Daytona matching numbers?
From the article...
QuoteThe engine in the Daytona is numbers-matching 440, along with the transmission and rear. When it was parked in the junkyard, it was only four years old, which accounts for the originality and low mileage.
I thought it was a non documented warranty block. I could be wrong. Maybe John can weigh in on it.
Quote from: odcics2 on January 20, 2018, 01:10:07 PM
Some background on John's car! Hot off the press!
http://www.hotrod.com/articles/saved-crusher-69-daytonas-amazing-story/
Wow what a story. Great article! :cheers:
Quote from: 69hemidaytona on January 20, 2018, 07:01:48 PM
I thought it was a non documented warranty block. I could be wrong. Maybe John can weigh in on it.
He will, I'm sure.
Quote from: odcics2 on January 22, 2018, 10:08:57 PM
Quote from: 69hemidaytona on January 20, 2018, 07:01:48 PM
I thought it was a non documented warranty block. I could be wrong. Maybe John can weigh in on it.
He will, I'm sure.
This story broke the day I left with Linda for a get rid of a week of winter vacation so the delay in my response.
After quite a while of owning the red Daytona I found out that it had a warranty block.
The heads, valve covers, intake manifold, exhaust manifolds and water pump were the originals so it looked original.
Because of the low milage and the date on the block I surmised that something happened early on.
I did not find any paper work with the car to back this up.
Many people were contacted for the story in Hot Rod and then it was all blended into the space they had.
Maybe because of the low milage and long term storage it was assumed the original was still in there?
MJ
Quote from: Davtona on January 17, 2018, 09:53:31 PM
Quote from: Mopar John on January 17, 2018, 11:26:30 AM
Also close to posting are inside window cranks.
When is the last time you saw a set of 4 in NOS!
Quote from: odcics2 on January 17, 2018, 08:06:48 PM
HA! I have a pair of NOS handles for the 88 doors.
Don't need rears, since the 1/4 glass is fixed.
Just now!! Double HA!! :lol:
Silly part is power window switches are way easier to find NOS. I've had a set of those tucked away for years. I could use another NOS set of 4 manual cranks though if anyone has any.
Since we have some replies on the NOS window cranks I thought I would start we these!
I have a total of 5 NOS correct window cranks and possibly a 6th on the way but I have 2 cars so I also need a total of 8!
My first picture shows the 5 NOS window cranks that I have.
Then I want to start on the knob end and show the differences.
The second picture shows an NOS correct handle on the left, then a 73-76? similar style handle with the big knob in the center
and on the right a similar reproduction handle.
In my third picture I flipped the handles over and the first one on the right is the 73-76? style with the big knob.
You can see it's a bit bigger in diameter and the hole is deeper.
The one in the middle is the correct NOS handle and the one on the right is the reproduction with the flat washer in there.
You can stick your finger in there when they are on the cars and tell if there reproductions or originals!
More on the mounting end in my next post!
MJ
WINDOW CRANKS MOUNTING END!
In my first picture I show the 3 different window cranks on the mounting end.
The one on the left is the 73-76? style, the one in the middle is the correct NOS one and the one on the right is the reproduction.
In my second picture is the reproduction one from the right in the first picture which is the smallest end at .121 across and has 3 spokes and no casting number.
In the third picture is the NOS correct one from the middle in the first picture at .124 across and 2862396 casting number.
In the last picture is the 73-76? style from the first picture on the left with the same 2862396 casting number but the largest end at .126!
I hope this helps you in knowing what you have and don't have?
Like Davtona I would like to find a couple more NOS originals to install on my restored wing cars.
MJ
Welcome back, John.
Good to see you are 'handling' things...
:lol:
What a clever response!
Retirement has cleared your head for great thought's!
You can tell I was on vacation as I really messed up on my first window crank post
and got it in the middle of another reply!
MJ
Quote from: Mopar John on January 29, 2018, 01:50:50 PM
You can tell I was on vacation as I really messed up on my first window crank post
and got it in the middle of another reply!
MJ
I got it fixed for you... much easier to read now. :cheers:
DAYTONA TRUNK MAT ???
Recently a friend of mine stopped by and helped me get a couple of bugs out of the Daytona.
This was from the long dormancy while on display at the Gilmore Car Museum.
Once this was done it motivated me to get to some things I had been putting off like the trunk mat.
This is a long and winding road that will take several installments.
The trunk mat ordeal goes all the way back to the early 2000's when we were planning to get the Daytona restored.
The original trunk mat was in shreads and we had another a bit better in the R4 Daytona but not good enough.
I checked out all the reproductions and not only were the colors way off but none of them were cut correctly!
I started looking for material to cut one out of from one of our originals.
About this time a fellow Daytona owner told me about some material that looked correct on the web site.
I contacted the supplier and got samples late in 2012.
I have attached a picture of that post mark.
In the next picture you will see the sample that was the best match to the original material.
As time went on I was able to borrow another original trunk mat that was in better shape than what I had.
A picture of it is attached also so you can compare the original color and pattern to the fresh sample.
I was ready to order some blanks and start cutting but there was another problem!@#$%^&*()_!
Unless you ordered a roll of this material it was wide enough but an inch short in length to be exact!
After doing some more checking and not wanting to buy a roll I decided to order 5 blanks and
short the end in front of the axle tunnel behind the rear seat.
When I went to order they only had 4 blanks left and had to put the 5th on back order!
More to follow on this journey soon!
MJ
DAYTONA TRUNK MAT PART 2!
When I found out that the supplier only had 4 blanks and the 5th was on back order I began to wonder if I should cut them?
What sealed the deal for me is that the supplier checked with their stocking dealers for the 5th blank rather than ordering another roll!
So my 5th blank came from a dealer to fill my order.
By then I had contacted a friend of mine who works with prototypes and show cars near Detroit.
He agreed to cut the blanks using the original as a pattern.
He was going to try and flatten the original the best he could and then make a reusable pattern.
This all sounded good and I drove up near Detroit for a visit and dropped off the 5 blanks in 2 boxes.
My friend ended up being very busy working soemtimes 6 days a week and 12 hours a day!
The project stalled and the blanks and the original pattern sat at his place for about 3 years!
The next thing that happened is my other friends Daytona was being assembled and he was going to need a trunk mat!
I had promised him 2 of the 5 mats when they were cut out.
We decided to have him pick up the blanks the next time he was near Detroit and take them to the shop he was using.
We got very lucky here as the shop had an NOS flat trunk mat and was able to cut the blanks for us!
I have attached a picture of one of the blanks now cut to match the NOS trunk mat! WOW!
We actually had 4 very nice looking and correct fitting trunk mats!
Again all the reproductions to date have the WRONG patterns and WRONG color and are NOT cut right!
So much time had gone by that only 4 blanks were cut to shape?
I had forgotten about the back order 5th blank in the second box and so did everyone else.
About a year later my friend near Detroit came across the other box and we met at a swap meet near there.
I now had the 5th blank in my possesion but it was too late to have it professionally cut !@#$%^&*!
What I did with that 5th blank in my next update!
MJ
DAYTONA TRUNK MAT PART 3!
Well the time has come for me to cut out the 5th blank and make it into a Daytona trunk mat!
In my first picture you will see I have one of the professionally cut blanks laying on top of the one to cut.
I have already started with the easy small square cuts in this picture.
In the second picture you will see where I have the whole outside cut and just the details left!
The last picture shows the 5th blank completely cut out and laying on top of the other.
I have them staggered a bit just so you can see how good it came out!
In my next update I will show pictures of the installation of this nice mat in our Daytona!
MJ
Nice work, John. :2thumbs:
Almost, but not quite, makes me wish my car had a mat! :lol:
looks spot-on! :2thumbs: here's an original for comparison
Thanks for posting the picture of that puzzle of an original Dan!
I have been trying to figure out why the slot for the spare tire bracket gets wider toward the back on the drivers side on the originals?
MJ
I no longer have this to examine in person, but it looks same width just a little crooked VS. the pattern
DAYTONA TRUNK MAT PART 4!
With the last blank cut out and the weather very hot here in the Midwest, Yesterday was a good day to start an indoor project.
I was putting it off because of all the things that had to be removed to get the old trunk mat out.
In my first picture you will see that the front scissors jack and handle, the rear bumper jack, spare tire and tail light cover all had to come out.
In the second picture you will see that the trunk mat on a Daytona is sandwiched between the floor and the wing brace brackets.
So the wing brace brackets have to come out also!
In the picture that Dan posted of an original it looked like someone tore that mat rather than removing the wing brace brackets!
I was worried about the wing weight with the brackets removed so I went slow and removed one side at a time.
It seemed cool in my shop when I started but when I got to this part I worked up a nervous sweat!
The last 2 pictures show everything out of the way and the old mat ready to come out!
In my last post on this I will show the new trunk mat installed and everything put back together!
MJ
:cheers:
DAYTONA TRUNK MAT FINAL!
So I took my time and reached under the old mat and got it loosened up where it stuck to the floor and removed it.
In my first picture you will see the Daytona trunk area without a mat.
In the second picture is the mat I took out. That is something I've wanted to do for a long time.
It should end up in the for sale section soon for someone not as concerned about details.
The next step was to get the new mat in place and see how it fit.
It fit like a glove and that's shown in my third picture.
Things continued to go well and I got everything put back together as shown in the last picture.
I've got a few more details that I'm working on and will post on those soon.
We are taking this 69 Daytona to the 50th reunion at Taladega and hope others are getting ready also.
There are only about 500 days to go!
MJ
Looks good, MJ !
:coolgleamA: :2thumbs:
Quote from: odcics2 on July 01, 2018, 10:53:47 AM
Looks good, MJ !
:coolgleamA: :2thumbs:
Thanks!
From the trunk mat I went back to the NOS window cranks! I think it was back in January that I was waiting for my 6th handle to arrive.
Well that one did and with a little luck I was able to complete the second set for a total of 8!
It pays to help friends out as they often help in return with parts that they normally wouldn't sell!
It also pays to go to swap meets as there are guys still out there that don't use EBAY or the internet to sell their NOS stuff.
Attached is a picture of the 8 NOS window cranks that are now installed on the B5 Daytona and Superbird.
Soon I will advertise all the reproduction window cranks in the for sale section.
MJ
Nice! Gotta LOVE NOS!
Any differences between the early and later parts?
Greg,
From what I have seen all the window cranks under the original part number are all the same.
When the number changed you got the same chrome handle but the bigger knob.
MJ
:coolgleamA: :2thumbs:
TURNING A BAD SITUATION INTO A GOOD ONE!
Recently I posted about getting the B5 Daytona running better after the long stay at the Gilmore Car Museum.
The other day I did some cleanup and was getting ready to take it for a short cruise to the university and back.
I happened to look under the Daytona and noticed a little puddle?
Upon further review I found that the power steering hose had expanded and looked like a cooked hot dog !@#$%^&*(!
My first picture shows the hose after I removed it from the Daytona.
So the next thing I did was get my 1969 dealer parts book out and see if I could find the part number for the hose?
My second picture shows the page with part number 2537 699 for both cars with and without the power steering cooler.
I checked my NOS parts list for the Daytona and discovered that this was an aftermarket hose as that part number was not on the list.
So I figured it would be a good thing if I could find an NOS hose while I was at it.
I got lucky and found one with the correct part number stamped on the hose.
I show that in my third picture.
My last picture shows the NOS hose and the packaging it came with.
In addition to getting a better hose for the Daytona I repaired something that had bothering me for a while.
Ever since the Daytona was restored the hose between the cooler outlet and the pump inlet had an alignment problem.
Those two tubes are not far apart and the return hose was in a bind in that area.
I was able to move both the pump tube and the cooler tube a bit to make it a straight connection for the hose!
With all this completed and leak tested that short cruise to the university finally happened! :2thumbs:
MJ
Nice!
From being hosed, to driving the car! :coolgleamA:
Daytona Superbird Auto Club 2019 Summer Picnic!
I decided to post this here because the early days of my wing car hobby are covered early on.
With good weather predicted Linda and I made the 3 hour drive yesterday to the club headquarters located near Milwaukee, Wisconsin.
When I found our host and club president Doug Schellinger I presented my membership card for admission to the picnic.
I show it in my first attachment!
During our conversation Doug told me that I am one of the longest continuous members of the club going back to 1977!
I also have attached a couple of pictures of the wing cars in attendance.
I hope to see those and many more in Alabama for the 50th anniversary Aero Warrior reunion!
I want to thank Doug, Sue and the club helpers for a great time!
MJ
1st Place!
Last weekend Linda and I took the Daytona up to the CMC ( Chicagoland Mopar Connection ) show near Belvedere, Illinois.
On Saturday they have the Midwest Charger show and Modern Muscle show.
We were in a large class with 1968 1969 1970 Chargers with our Daytona and a HEMI 500!
We took first place with the Daytona at the show!
This was a get ready trip for Talladega!
MJ
Congrats on the win. Well deserved :2thumbs:
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Thanks for the kind comments!
I would have replied yesterday but I went to old car night and celebrated our 1970 GTX's 50'th birthday!
The GTX was built on 806 or August 6th 1969 for the 1970 model year.
Nice !!! :2thumbs:
Congrats on the Belvidere show and that GTX is just so sweet in the air....... :coolgleamA:
Congrats John! Very cool!
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I just wanted to let everyone to know that the subject of this post our B5 Daytona is now up for sale!
We have an ad on this site in the cars for sale section.
Thanks to all who have helped make the Daytona the special car it is!
John & Linda Borzych
OUR B5 DAYTONA HAS FEATURE ARTICLE ON MOPAR CONNECTION MAGAZINE!
Thanks to feature editor Cody Cole one of our own members here 69bronzeT5.
Cody has been working on this story and it's now on the Mopar Connection Magazine website in the features section.
Cody did a nice job using a lot of information and pictures from this post and some never seen before pictures.
This blend of information and pictures created a neat article for us!
Thanks! MJ
After seeing the car at the Aero show and then reading the article, it is a fascinating article about the car, its history and the fact that John's efforts to save and maintain the accuracy of his cars is outstanding. His passion for the cars is real and the article is a tribute to both John and the car for all that they stand for. Excellent Job!!!
Quote from: 69bfan on October 30, 2019, 09:58:09 PM
After seeing the car at the Aero show and then reading the article, it is a fascinating article about the car, its history and the fact that John's efforts to save and maintain the accuracy of his cars is outstanding. His passion for the cars is real and the article is a tribute to both John and the car for all that they stand for. Excellent Job!!!
Thank you very much, I truly appreciate the kind words! :cheers:
DAYTONA INDIVIDUAL HEAD LIGHT BUCKET DETAILS!
Recently I was browsing the want ads and found a guy looking for an 889 head light bucket?
So I went to my basement and checked out my pile of head light buckets and sure enough they had stampings with info.
So the next chance I got I went out to the Daytona and opened the head light doors removed the retainer rings and
checked to see if I had the correct head light buckets?
I was unable to get a good picture because of the light stamping and lighting of the first one.
It read HI-5RT-886 and this was the high beam right side bucket.
My first picture shows the high beam left side bucket stamped HI-5LT-887.
My second picture shows the low beam right side bucket stamped HI-LO5-RT-888.
The last picture shows the low beam left side bucket stamped HI-LO5-LT-889.
I thought I would share this detail as I have not discussed it before here.
MJ
DAYTONA DISTRIBUTOR
Even though this Daytona is up for sale we continue to enjoy it.
Last year we actually drove it to a couple of local shows here in town!
I also continue to upgrade it whenever possible!
I have been working on the distributor upgrade for sometime and finally got it done.
When the Daytona was restored I bought a second 2875758 distributor.
I think it was mainly for the original and working 2875754 vacuum advance unit.
As I sorted the Daytona out I got it where it would start pretty good but not great in my opinion.
I messed with all kinds of things and made many adjustments.
I even had a couple of Mopar friends over to help.
Recently I was able to buy an NOS 2875754 vacuum advance unit from a friend who sold his 69 Charger.
With the advance in hand I sent my second 2875758 distributor and all the parts over to Joe White in Ohio.
I asked Joe to restore the distributor and then set the dwell and advance curve on his SUN machine.
The distributor came back looking great!
I installed it in the Daytona on New Years and what a difference it made in the cold startup!
I have attached some pictures.
The first one shows the restored distributor installed.
The second one shows the NOS 2875754 vacuum advance unit.
The third one shows the difference between an original factory tag and the Bill Rolik reproduction.
The last picture shows the other 2875758 distributor after I removed it from the Daytona.
I usually start the Daytona once every 1-2 weeks just to keep everything operating well.
In addition in nice weather I will drive to the end of our long driveway and back or to the local college about a mile away!
Happy New Year! MJ
Awesome John !
FAREWELL MY B5 BLUE DAYTONA!
After nearly 40 years of being the caretaker of this RARE and unique automobile it's time to say goodbye.
I am PROUD to say this Daytona leaves our hands in much better condition than when I found it!
My wife 426 Linda and I have enjoyed all the shows and events that we attended with this Daytona.
The new owner found us through the ad on "CARSONLINE".
I would consider him a car guy but not a MOPAR guy.
I hope the Daytona will bring him over to our side of the hobby.
He was looking for a NON RED NON ORANGE Daytona since there are so many of those around.
He was looking for a certified low miles Daytona and not a "restoration rollback" on the odometer.
He also wanted a correct car with matching numbers engine, transmission along with
a original fender tag and broadcast sheet.
He got it all with this Daytona!
We delivered the car last Sunday to central Illinois so the Daytona only moved about 4 hours away.
We still have our original aero car the 440 Six Barrel Superbird and GTX race car
along with Linda's 2007 Shelby GT500 to keep us busy.
MJ
Glad she found a good home John! :2thumbs: We tried to get a piece of Northern property sold so we could add it to our collection, but with Covid that just hasn't happened.
John...I'll bet that was tough to do, but all part of your and Linda's plan I'm sure! Glad you sold it! :2thumbs:
Glad you two are happy and content..... That has to be a mix-feeling situation....
Thanks again for this thread and the future reference material it will offer up........ :2thumbs:
Congrats on the sale. I think this collector is getting way more than he will ever know! What a story, no, saga. Junkyard to jewel.