This saga is about a company called BK AUTO, in Texas. In the next few days I'll have time to explain why(with detailed pictures), but let me tell you this quickly..
Brian (Sickdawg here) spent over $70k having BK Auto "restore" the General Lee that I now own. He must have been disgusted when he got the car home.. He never mentioned any of these problems to me, if he knew about them at all... Here's the original ad where it was for sale... The car looks great in photos!!
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,45761.0.html
I have contacted BK several times with nothing more then a "send me pictures" , and "no, I wouldn't expect my guys to do work like you described" in return. I'm expecting nothing from them, I'm simply here to make sure they don't shaft anyone else here.. These guys are no better then HLPAG.
You can see the work they did here:
http://www.bkauto.net/GL119.htm
Now, based on this web page, one would assume a top notch job was done on this car. I know I did, and I drove many many hours to pick up the car of my dreams.. I even paid the asking price for the car assuming that all of the small details I saw wrong were the only problems.
I couldn't have been more wrong.
Rotted frame rails covered in fiberglass.. Check out the "patches" and the holes. In person this rail is disgusting.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2164Medium.jpg)
Would you trust this?
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2174Medium.jpg)
The rotted driver's side rail before it was removed. Check out the rear valance panel as well:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2171Medium.jpg)
Now, looking at the pictures from Burger King Auto's site (their new name around my parts, no one can believe the work they did) you'd think they did a great job in the trunk? WRONG...
(http://www.bkauto.net/media/images/GLg9.gif)
The gas tank was about to fall out of the car. Why? Because all of the tank mounts were completely rotted away. I'm SO glad I didn't fill this car up and go for a ride.
The rear shock crossmember was rotted beyond repair (not that they tried. Let's just undercoat it, it'll be fine)
They put a new pan down , as you can see. They left rotted corners in the trunk and filled them in with fiberglass. You can (or COULD) see through to the ground from each corner of my trunk.
Their "custom subframe connectors" were an absolute joke. They may as well have used exhaust tubing.. The welds on the end were something your 10 year old son could do with a blindfold on.
(http://www.bkauto.net/media/images/GLg36.gif)
They have since been removed and REAL subframe connectors have been installed (thru the floor).
Gee, let's weld a couple of cool looking bars under the hood and then brag about how they'll take the torque of the Hemi.. When in reality they are welded to a thin pc of metal known as the FIREWALL. These things have about as much support as a 2X4 would holding up a bridge..
(http://www.bkauto.net/media/images/GLg39.gif)
See all the open holes on the firewall? Well, to rectify this situation, they simply took some Dynamat from the inside and spray painted it black in the engine bay.. Problem solved, RIGHT??
(http://www.bkauto.net/media/images/glg48.gif)
Let's brag that all of the gauges have been sent out and rebuilt, yet we'll install them and NONE OF THEM will work. Sounds reasonable.
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Let's install a nice Sony radio in the dash, but not bolt it in. Hell, while we're in there, let's leave 10 wires exposed and not put any electrical tape on the end.. Sparks are fun!!
(http://www.bkauto.net/media/images/glg81.gif)
Let's do a 4 wheel disc conversion but leave all of the drum lines/hardware under the car. Who needs a T in the back, a little duck tape will hold the lines in fine.. The leaks? Eh , there nothing..The ENTIRE brake system had to be taken out.
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The front end.. That's a good one. They took it apart, sandblasted items(ball joints, tie rods), painted them and reinstalled them. THEY WERE ALL TRASH. The front end virtually fell apart in our hands. The wheel bearings were toast, and the alignment was WAYYYY off.
The exhaust is gorgeous, I can't knock that.. Obviously they subbed this out to have it done RIGHT.
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Let's look at this picture.. All looks good, right?? WRONG. The steering column had no guts and swiveled around about 6" in a circle. It wasn't bolted to the firewall and had one bolt barely holding it under the dash. The center console has nothing securing it to the floor. The shifter isn't bolted down and there's no wires running to the lights in the console.. In fact, there are no interior lights PERIOD. They buried the dome light when they did the headliner..
(http://www.bkauto.net/media/images/glg111.gif)
Where's the light??
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Who welded the pushbar on, Stevie Wonder?? It was 2" lower on the driver's side. The welds were barely holding the bar on:
(http://www.bkauto.net/media/images/glg160.gif)
The torque converter.. I was told it was a 3500 stall. It's an stock converter.
The car has been named " A whore with a pretty dress " because of the build. Quite complimenting :hah:
She sure looked nice in pictures...
(http://www.bkauto.net/media/images/glg159.gif)
But it's better to do this in a shop then on a road doing 55MPH:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2172Medium.jpg)
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It'll get there, but the ENTIRE BACK HALF of the car needed to be replaced, which it's in the middle of now.. Then the quarters, rockers, door skins, front fenders and hood will be done. There's more filler on this car then the local auto parts store STOCKS. I'll have plenty of pictures to show you what's being done.
All I can say here is if you're looking to buy/build your dream car, research the shop. Chose one near you, so you can SEE the job being done. DO NOT trust anyone that's 2000 miles away unless you know them personally.
What was I told when I called BK and asked about some of these things?? "He (Brian) was cheap. He got what he paid for and nothing more".
I'm glad the car's in a REAL shop now being worked on by a totally trustworthy guy!! :2thumbs:
Wow... Just wow....
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I suppose if HLPAG can be as successful as they've been and commonly know as ripoff artists and yet still stay in business, then we can expect more and more places to take the same cheaters route.
Quote from: Ghoste on November 15, 2008, 12:48:47 PM
I suppose if HLPAG can be as successful as they've been and commonly know as ripoff artists and yet still stay in business, then we can expect more and more places to take the same cheaters route.
I know what you mean... I just wish some of these shops actually cared about their reputation instead of the almighty $$.
This was a long time coming.. The car has spent 8 weeks in the shop. I bought it August 30th and have been able to drive it ONCE, and wondered why it sounded as if the back end was going to fall off the car.. :o
:o Damn, I feel sorry for you man!
CB
:fireangry: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: that sucks man , sorry to here and we all tried to save you from hepig
Quote from: CB on November 15, 2008, 12:52:58 PM
:o Damn, I feel sorry for you man!
CB
Don't feel sorry for me buddy.. I'm happy knowing this car will be done RIGHT when it's done..
I also forgot to mention in my writeup that the wiring harness is toast (under the hood). If you could see it you'd laugh.. I'll post a pic of that later.
Quote from: moparstuart on November 15, 2008, 12:53:34 PM
:fireangry: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: that sucks man , sorry to here and we all tried to save you from hepig
And you DID.. I didn't buy from/through HLPAG.
:o :rotz: just makes me soo mad when i see things like this ! , in some cases it don't really take any longer to do the job right ! at least you will know whats in the car now & its being done right ! :2thumbs:
Here are the cars they are currently running on EBay. Take notice, the price in the ad is just the BASE PRICE to get started on the build, it goes wayyyyyyy up from there.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Cars-Trucks___General-Lee-replica_W0QQitemZ270302049536QQddnZCarsQ20Q26Q20TrucksQQddiZ2282QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_Cars_Trucks?hash=item270302049536&_trksid=p4506.c0.m245&_trkparms=72%3A727|65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A1318
And a "440 R/T" ad using the same picture for $5k more:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Cars-Trucks___General-Lee-replica-440-R-T-edition_W0QQitemZ270303306045QQddnZCarsQ20Q26Q20TrucksQQddiZ2282QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_Cars_Trucks?hash=item270303306045&_trksid=p4506.c0.m245&_trkparms=72%3A727|65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A1318
You said Brian spent $70,000 but they said he was cheap. How is $70k cheap? I wouldn't think that peice of crap rusted heap I seen in the Pics was more then a $20,000 car/job. Someone got ripped about $50k I'd say. What a shame. I feel sorry for people getting taken by these scumbags that put perfume on a pig & pass it off as a Gem. :Twocents:LEON.
Quote from: hemi-hampton on November 15, 2008, 01:22:51 PM
You said Brian spent $70,000 but they said he was cheap. How is $70k cheap? I wouldn't think that peice of crap rusted heap I seen in the Pics was more then a $20,000 car/job. Someone got ripped about $50k I'd say. What a shame. I feel sorry for people getting taken by these scumbags that put perfume on a pig & pass it off as a Gem. :Twocents:LEON.
Yes, they told me he was "cheap"
They told me it's "$150k to properly build one of these cars".
From their ad:
Exercise common sense, these are not 100% fully restored SEMA show cars. It costs a MINIMUM of $65k to restore a 1969 charger. The restorers guide calls for an average of 1400 man hours or over $100,000 in labor alone for a full restoration on any car. These are Great show cars at even GREATER bargain prices. If you own a Ferrari 240, don't expect this car to run and drive the same. It's a classic American muscle car, know what you are buying. Do your research and go with a solid company that knows how to build cars.
So sorry man, That burns me up. I have been in the same boat before and it is no fun. I would like to take people like that and get all of my money back out of them one screem at a time. :mad:
Sorry to hear this.....this is exactly why I do all my own work and closley manage anything I send out.....The cost of restoring a car once is expensive...doing it twice is even more painfull...It always pays to start out with a solid car to begin with, much better to pay the cash up front for a solid start then to try to patch up a rust bucket. Good luck...lucky for you a ton of sheetmetal is available in the repop market.
This is why I have worked on my Charger in small projects and never farmed out too much work to the same shop at the same time. Most shops want cars in and out, when you give them a lot of work to do they start taking short cuts and cover up bad work. I also agree its a good idea deal with shops that are close, this way you can drop in from time to time unannounced to inspect work in progress. How they organize the work being done tells you a lot about the quality of work they do.
Sucks to see the problems you have found with your Charger but it looks like you are taking the proper steps to fix it correctly.
Steve
He's right about the 1400 hours but 100k comes out to $75 a hour. I charge half as much so could have done it right for $50k. I've replaced plenty of floors & trunks & frame rails & did much better jobs then they do for under $50k. Obvious that heap has no where near 1400 hours into it, looks like 200 worth. It's obvious they are nothing more then scammers. :rotz: LEON.
I hear you guys.. I'm just glad, as you've said, that there are so many aftermarket parts available, if not this stuff would all have to be fab'd up..
The shop doing this work is near me, and I've already been by a couple of times.. The quality of work he does is amazing, and I'm VERY happy the car is there right now. It couldn't be in better hands, so I'm relieved.
that is a damn shame. its why I went ahead and spent money on airtools and a welder and am slowly doing it all myself. even if it isnt pretty, I know the stuff is fixed solidly and safely and the car can be driven safely. I can afford to spend 10 hours of my own time fixing some small area...I cannot afford to pay some other dude 500-800 bucks for the same thing,day after day, week after week. at this point I have probably 1000 hours in on my car and its nowhere near done. I cannot imagine having to pay someone for that much labor time, or even 1/3rd of it.
Quote from: SFRT on November 15, 2008, 02:05:53 PM
that is a damn shame. its why I went ahead and spent money on airtools and a welder and am slowly doing it all myself. even if it isnt pretty, I know the stuff is fixed solidly and safely and the car can be driven safely. I can afford to spend 10 hours of my own time fixing some small area...I cannot afford to pay some other dude 500-800 bucks for the same thing,day after day, week after week. at this point I have probably 1000 hours in on my car and its nowhere near done. I cannot imagine having to pay someone for that much labor time, or even 1/3rd of it.
I'm not going to pretend to know how to weld, nor will this car be my guinea pig.. The shop is very reasonable ($$) to do this kind of work, so I'm jumping on it.. It's well worth it for me to know it's done right. :cheers: :cheers:
Let me offer you some advice. I've been down the same road your on now. Concentrate on making the car safe & road worthy. Work out every single mechanical bug or issue before you even think about doing body work. Your car looks presentable, try to make it dependable so you can have some fun. I re-restored a car, never had any fun with it because it was always in the shop ,and got my butt turned inside out when I sold it. That car made me sick every time I looked at it. Be careful dude. The same thing could happen to you.
Quote from: Go Hogs Go on November 15, 2008, 04:05:09 PM
Let me offer you some advice. I've been down the same road your on now. Concentrate on making the car safe & road worthy. Work out every single mechanical bug or issue before you even think about doing body work. Your car looks presentable, try to make it dependable so you can have some fun. I re-restored a car, never had any fun with it because it was always in the shop ,and got my butt turned inside out when I sold it. That car made me sick every time I looked at it. Be careful dude. The same thing could happen to you.
Yeah, I could EASILY see this happening to me.. I heard "472 Hemi" and let that get the best of me.. I do realize that by the time this car is "done" I could have EASILY bought a cleaner starter car and put this same drivetrain in it.. But that's water under the bridge, I'm just looking at moving forward, not back :cheers: :cheers:
I tell ya though, I'll never eat at Burger King again. :eek2:
I don't want to be too judgemental, but this kind of thing will happen when people get overly emotional, don't think and jump headlong into things because they are impatient and excited. There are tons of rotten people out there just waiting for someone in that state to waltz by and folks lusting after GLs when they find they can suddently afford one can be especially prone to getting suckered, often because they know little about cars in general or little about Mopars\Chargers. I can speak from experience on this topic and when I saw you first posting on this site about looking for a GL I was kinda worried for you. I can tell you from experience the only way to truly learn something is to make a mistake. You're going to end up spending small fortune. For me, the #1 rule now is always learn as much as you can about something first and don't get carried away on some manic impulse. It's great there's a site like this, and you came here before making a decision, which was good, but it seemed like you had decided to do something and just couldn't wait.
Quote from: joflaig on November 15, 2008, 09:59:35 PM
I don't want to be too judgemental, but this kind of thing will happen when people get overly emotional, don't think and jump headlong into things because they are impatient and excited. There are tons of rotten people out there just waiting for someone in that state to waltz by and folks lusting after GLs when they find they can suddently afford one can be especially prone to getting suckered, often because they know little about cars in general or little about Mopars\Chargers. I can speak from experience on this topic and when I saw you first posting on this site about looking for a GL I was kinda worried for you. I can tell you from experience the only way to truly learn something is to make a mistake. You're going to end up spending small fortune. For me, the #1 rule now is always learn as much as you can about something first and don't get carried away on some manic impulse. It's great there's a site like this, and you came here before making a decision, which was good, but it seemed like you had decided to do something and just couldn't wait.
He didn't just waltz into a place like HPLAG and get ripped off, he bought the car from a member here on the forums who didn't rip him off on purpose. Yes granted he should have had someone look at the car in person but when you buy from a regular member on the forums you don't worry about such things. The problem being was the member was ripped off by the person who restored the car.
Hey all, I have been doing bodywork for about 25 years, and I have personally helped JB work on this car and it is unbeleavable! those pictures do not do the butchery justice! everytime I looked somewhere I would find something else wrong, ie. pinched wires, the upper door hinge pin 75% of the way out! The wiring under the hood should get some kind of award, there is no engine harness they just plugged wires with spade connectors into the block on the firewall! You never want to see anyone get taken especially a friend! Burger King should not ever be alowwed to touch a car again! back to cooking Kangaroos fro them!!!!!
Quote from: joflaig on November 15, 2008, 09:59:35 PM
I don't want to be too judgemental, but this kind of thing will happen when people get overly emotional, don't think and jump headlong into things because they are impatient and excited. There are tons of rotten people out there just waiting for someone in that state to waltz by and folks lusting after GLs when they find they can suddently afford one can be especially prone to getting suckered, often because they know little about cars in general or little about Mopars\Chargers. I can speak from experience on this topic and when I saw you first posting on this site about looking for a GL I was kinda worried for you. I can tell you from experience the only way to truly learn something is to make a mistake. You're going to end up spending small fortune. For me, the #1 rule now is always learn as much as you can about something first and don't get carried away on some manic impulse. It's great there's a site like this, and you came here before making a decision, which was good, but it seemed like you had decided to do something and just couldn't wait.
What you didn't see was the "Pre-Dodgecharger.com" days. I "waited" 20+ years to buy the General. I had been seriously looking for the past 2-3 years, and was steered towards HLPAG (thank you Google). That's when I signed up here, and you guys saved the day... Many members pointed me towards the car I have now, because IT APPEARED (by the site) that the car had every nut & bolt replaced.. I let my emotions get the best of me after driving 10 hours to buy this car, sure.. The second Brian opened his garage door I was sold.. I didn't care WHAT was wrong with the car, I was leaving with it..
Well, that'll teach me now, won't it!! :rofl:
Thanks for posting, Chris, I'm glad you came in.. You can speak as well as anyone in regards to this car!! :cheers:
That's f'd up.....$150K :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: I built my General for less than $20K and it's done right. Add $20K for a crate hemi and the rest of the drivetrain to handle it. Anyone that spends 1400 hours on a car doesn't know what they are doing. I have half that in each of the cars I've built. I just don't get how scumbags like that can stay in business. I guess just the gullability and naivety of the general, uneducated public.
Quote from: jb666 on November 15, 2008, 01:26:13 PM
Yes, they told me he was "cheap"
They told me it's "$150k to properly build one of these cars".
From their ad:
Exercise common sense, these are not 100% fully restored SEMA show cars. It costs a MINIMUM of $65k to restore a 1969 charger. The restorers guide calls for an average of 1400 man hours or over $100,000 in labor alone for a full restoration on any car. These are Great show cars at even GREATER bargain prices. If you own a Ferrari 240, don't expect this car to run and drive the same. It's a classic American muscle car, know what you are buying. Do your research and go with a solid company that knows how to build cars.
Ask Roger Gibson if he has ever spent 1400 hours or charged $150k on a car that just got best of show at Mopar Nats & then tell him he dont know what he is doing :shruggy: LEON.
man that realy sucks? Not that I would recumend it , but thats how people go off the deep end and get shot. Like i said not reamending that but WOW :rotz: :flame: :flame: :RantExplode:
There is a word for work like that: Robbery.
The world is waiting for HLPAG to evoke a shooting.
If you could ever get Hans to a DOH or Mopar show, there could be a thousand people on the scene and there wouldn't be a witness who sees a thing.
Quote from: Mike DC (formerly miked) on November 16, 2008, 01:37:56 AM
The world is waiting for HLPAG to evoke a shooting.
If you could ever get Hans to a DOH or Mopar show, there could be a thousand people on the scene and there wouldn't be a witness who sees a thing.
The boys from HLPAG were at one of the Dukefest shows.. I'm not sure which one, but I saw pictures of them with a couple of the show characters. I was shocked no one confronted them :lol:
Anyways, thanks for all the comments guys, it'll come together nicely, over time.. I don't care if the body doesn't get done until next Fall, at least I'll know it can be driven safely..
I forgot one of the 'funniest' things they did. They installed the battery in the trunk, and ran the cables all the way to the engine bay through the interior. Well, the cables were right under the back seat, sitting on a sharp weld just waiting to be broken through.. Then they went forward and stuffed both cables through a hole in the firewall.. A SHARP EDGED HOLE. No grommet, just sitting there.. The cables then ran to this fire-hazard-waiting-to-happen setup where dozens of things were jumped off each terminal.. I think you can see it here, I don't have a close up show yet.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_5669Large.jpg)
Here you can almost see the wiring nightmare on the firewall. Not quite, it's a bit far off to the left.
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Small detail, but who would wet sand/buff a car and not clean it up before putting the gas cap assembly on??
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Brand new gas tank, installed without a pad against the body, leaking in 3 places..
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Quote from: BlueSS454 on November 16, 2008, 12:10:58 AM
That's f'd up.....$150K :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: I built my General for less than $20K and it's done right. Add $20K for a crate hemi and the rest of the drivetrain to handle it. Anyone that spends 1400 hours on a car doesn't know what they are doing. I have half that in each of the cars I've built. I just don't get how scumbags like that can stay in business. I guess just the gullability and naivety of the general, uneducated public.
Quote from: jb666 on November 15, 2008, 01:26:13 PM
Yes, they told me he was "cheap"
They told me it's "$150k to properly build one of these cars".
From their ad:
Exercise common sense, these are not 100% fully restored SEMA show cars. It costs a MINIMUM of $65k to restore a 1969 charger. The restorers guide calls for an average of 1400 man hours or over $100,000 in labor alone for a full restoration on any car. These are Great show cars at even GREATER bargain prices. If you own a Ferrari 240, don't expect this car to run and drive the same. It's a classic American muscle car, know what you are buying. Do your research and go with a solid company that knows how to build cars.
There are many levels of "restoration". As mentioned above, the guys who are out winning trophies in concourse show judging will have exponentially more time into a car than someone who wants a nice "driver" or to compete in local shows (where the judging is based on paint looks - not correctness). You get 1,000-1,500 hours into a restoration by paying attention to the details. Obviously with the over spray on the tank they didn't completely disassemble the car. The frame rails, wiring, and a thousand other things prove that these guys like to talk big but not deliver. It's a sales pitch and they cut corners to increase profits. Any reputable shop would have never let a car leave with obviously hazardous defects which could have resulted in tragedy. I think that, in this case, the shop is certainly liable for the work they performed (even to a subsequent owner). I'm going to guess here that their invoices are a bit light on details (in order to hide what they didn't do). Some of the things you have shown had to be deliberate and accusing the owner of being cheap is no excuse. I can't imagine that anyone would intentionally ask for fiberglass frame rail patches - especially when that would have been near the beginning of the project before cost overruns. Add in the fact that they knew it would have a Hemi and anyone with any brains would have known it needed a solid foundation.
I applaud you for sticking with the car but you shouldn't be forced to rebuild the car solely on your own dime. These guys put their name on it and therefore their reputation. It is an expensive lesson for all parties involved but the originators should be getting hit the hardest. This reminds me a bit of the whole rebody problem. The first owner knows and maybe the person who buys it from him. However, the details tend to get lost as the car bounces around from owner to owner until, one day, a guy pays a small fortune only to find out he just bought a fake. All the previous owners who weren't aware of it are also distraught but glad they no longer own the car. The guy who started the whole mess has since moved onto another business or otherwise disappeared. You have caught the problems early enough to do something about it.
Good luck! I hope this has a (somewhat) happy ending.
Troy
My suggestion would be to create a webpage and pass out the link to anyone who likes your car or better yet have a book of all the photos and information about this car and what you had to go through and have the book with you at EVERY car show you go to! Spread the story around!
I am a mechanical soundness/safety freak and I would really really pull that engine and take a good long hard look at how they did the conversion to mount it etc. I am going to assume as well that it is an off the shelf crate engine they just stuck in there.
I say, as long as your going deeeeeeeeeeeeep on this, have the engine inspected and worked by a real machine shop and have some one that knows conversions check out the welding on the k-member mounts etc....how are the shock towers?the transmission crossmember?
in fact, you might be better off getting a clean roller and swapping over the good stuff, as it sounds like this car is really shot. in the long run it will save you the expense of going back in and patching up here and there forever and ever.
Quote from: SFRT on November 16, 2008, 11:41:05 AM
I am a mechanical soundness/safety freak and I would really really pull that engine and take a good long hard look at how they did the conversion to mount it etc. I am going to assume as well that it is an off the shelf crate engine they just stuck in there.
I say, as long as your going deeeeeeeeeeeeep on this, have the engine inspected and worked by a real machine shop and have some one that knows conversions check out the welding on the k-member mounts etc....how are the shock towers?the transmission crossmember?
in fact, you might be better off getting a clean roller and swapping over the good stuff, as it sounds like this car is really shot. in the long run it will save you the expense of going back in and patching up here and there forever and ever.
I strongly disagree, at this point. The problems to this car's frame/undercarriage are confined to the back end. Sure, it's a mess, but the rotted sections are already cut out with the new ready to go in.. From the rear wheels forward the frame/floors are clean.
He's checking out the K-frame this week, but isn't that something that gets bolted in??
shock towers are fine, transmission cross-member is fine.. The tranny itself is questionable since NO ONE knows what was done with it. It has a stock converter and I highly doubt it was the "rebuilt unit" that they promised. If so, why would it have been leaking like a stuck pig from every seal :lol: We shall see..
I just left the shop though, and I pulled the trigger on the inner & outer rear quarters. It's the perfect time to do them , and then by Spring I can make paint arrangements for the car..
BTW, I have plenty of new pictures.. I'll upload some now. :popcrn:
Quote from: Troy on November 16, 2008, 11:18:54 AM
There are many levels of "restoration". As mentioned above, the guys who are out winning trophies in concourse show judging will have exponentially more time into a car than someone who wants a nice "driver" or to compete in local shows (where the judging is based on paint looks - not correctness). You get 1,000-1,500 hours into a restoration by paying attention to the details. Obviously with the over spray on the tank they didn't completely disassemble the car. The frame rails, wiring, and a thousand other things prove that these guys like to talk big but not deliver. It's a sales pitch and they cut corners to increase profits. Any reputable shop would have never let a car leave with obviously hazardous defects which could have resulted in tragedy. I think that, in this case, the shop is certainly liable for the work they performed (even to a subsequent owner). I'm going to guess here that their invoices are a bit light on details (in order to hide what they didn't do). Some of the things you have shown had to be deliberate and accusing the owner of being cheap is no excuse. I can't imagine that anyone would intentionally ask for fiberglass frame rail patches - especially when that would have been near the beginning of the project before cost overruns. Add in the fact that they knew it would have a Hemi and anyone with any brains would have known it needed a solid foundation.
I applaud you for sticking with the car but you shouldn't be forced to rebuild the car solely on your own dime. These guys put their name on it and therefore their reputation. It is an expensive lesson for all parties involved but the originators should be getting hit the hardest. This reminds me a bit of the whole rebody problem. The first owner knows and maybe the person who buys it from him. However, the details tend to get lost as the car bounces around from owner to owner until, one day, a guy pays a small fortune only to find out he just bought a fake. All the previous owners who weren't aware of it are also distraught but glad they no longer own the car. The guy who started the whole mess has since moved onto another business or otherwise disappeared. You have caught the problems early enough to do something about it.
Good luck! I hope this has a (somewhat) happy ending.
Troy
You know, I would like to think that BK Auto would read something like this and say "Oh wow, this doesn't make us look very good" and offer to do something about it. I would do the right thing and post that they stood by their word and sent something to help with the repairs, but honestly, there's no way they're going to do anything.They DO NOT CARE.. This car is in the past, they only care about $$ that's to be made in the future, which is a VERY poor way to run a business. Word of mouth + the internet can make or break a business..
As for the invoices that were associated with this build, they are an absolute joke. I won't post them (to protect Brian's information) but one states.. $2500 for repro parts.. NOT BROKEN DOWN, just that.
The reason Brian was called "cheap" was because he started to question why he was being double billed on certain items.. That made him CHEAP :icon_smile_shock:
You guys would laugh if you saw these "invoices" though.. VERY unprofessional, and some billing for items that were not replaced at all!!
These scammers run a business for as long as they can until it catches up with them & out of control with angry lynch mob beating down there door then they just claim bankruptsy & move on to another town with new name & start all over again & again & again. What a shame they cant be stopped :rotz: Scumbags :brickwall: LEON.
Looking at the pictures and thinking that $70K was somehow spent on the restoration of that car seems impossible. I think there is no doubt, the restoration has latent defects (frame rails, steering, structural, wiring etc. which would make someone liable. I agree with Troy, you shouldn't have to make lemonade out of a lemon.
The guy you bought it from would be the one with the right to seek action against BK. Honestly, your action is against the seller of the car to you. If he sold you the car making representations that it was restored...you can go after him and include BK in the action.
What is the story about the guy you bought it from? Did he know of the defects, was the car sold to you for a discount based on the sloppy work or full value?
I would also point out, if you bought the car without checking it out first, you start to get into the "what did you expect" area of the argument. Usually, they hold anything you could have discovered during a reasonable inspection of the car against you. You have a great attitude about just getting the car done right, but someone needs to pay you something back.
Sorry to hear about this mess, thanks for posting which may prevent someone else from getting involved with this shop. :2thumbs:
Ok, I just got back from the shop and took many interesting shots of the (removed) parts, and some that are about to be removed this week. I just (today) pulled the trigger and decided to have the rear (inner & outer) quarters replaced due to the findings you'll see below...
First.. This was the first thing I removed from the car when I found out what a mess it was..
PICTURE REMOVED BECAUSE IT CONTAINS ORIGINAL OWNERS FULL NAME.
Nice patches, and great work with the welder, you can barely see these ::) , and My God, look at the mud on the lips of the quarter.. WOW!!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2197Medium.jpg)
Love this inner quarter shot..
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2194Medium.jpg)
Another great shot of the frame rail(s) that were removed..Gotta love those clean patches that were put on, and great job removing the old rotted section before patching them..
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2191Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2189Medium.jpg)
This is some great work!! :eek2:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2190Medium.jpg)
Would you trust this to hold your gas tank up?? They did..
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2186Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2188Medium.jpg)
Another awesome patch job on the inner rear driver's quarter. I guess after you glue your patch on, it's great to seal it with roofing tar.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2185Medium.jpg)
Eh, who needs a rear valance panel??
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2184Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2183Medium.jpg)
Luckily, everything you see that's still on the car will be off very shortly. I decided to do the rear quarters now because of how far along the car already is. I couldn't see doing it next Fall when 1/2 the car's already apart..
Here's a quick peek at the cage. The headliner hasn't been fixed yet, so it's still as I got it when I bought it ..
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2179Small.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2180Small.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2182Small.jpg)
Anyways, LOTS more to come..
I think Brian is very lucky you bought the car. You seem to have deep pockets and a willingness to fix it yourself. I am not saying this out of jealously or anything else. I am just saying that most of us on this board could not pull the trigger on 45K or so on this car and than so cheerfully poor 10-15K more into it. I know I couldn't.
I am glad you are happy with it and I can't wait to see the finished product. Hope the car is out of surprises for you.
Quote from: General_01 on November 16, 2008, 06:06:18 PM
I think Brian is very lucky you bought the car. You seem to have deep pockets and a willingness to fix it yourself. I am not saying this out of jealously or anything else. I am just saying that most of us on this board could not pull the trigger on 45K or so on this car and than so cheerfully poor 10-15K more into it. I know I couldn't.
I am glad you are happy with it and I can't wait to see the finished product. Hope the car is out of surprises for you.
:lol: First, I didn't pay $45k for the car.. Second, I'm not dumping that much into the car.. I wouldn't be quite so cheery :yesnod:
I am , however, very optimistic of the outcome.. In fact I'm excited about it. The car will be better then new when it's done..
What a joke, Charging someone $70k & leaving all that rust behind & other shoddy Earl Scheib type garbage work done to it (no insult to earl intended) :eek2:
You better hope that who ever put that Hemi together knows what they are doing.....that doesn't go together like a wedge......lots can and DOES go wrong with Hemis.
Quote from: Hemidoug on November 16, 2008, 06:14:32 PM
You better hope that who ever put that Hemi together knows what they are doing.....that doesn't go together like a wedge......lots can and DOES go wrong with Hemis.
Mopar Performance put it together, fortunately Burger King Auto didn't touch it except to put the motor in place and drop the carb on..
The MP ones have had their issues too. Still worth checking out.
Quote from: Ghoste on November 16, 2008, 06:18:31 PM
The MP ones have had their issues too. Still worth checking out.
Will do, thanks! :cheers: With the exception of some valve cover clearance issues the motor runs like a top and sounds great!!
I can't believe Brian never crawled under the car and seen all that crap. I wouldn't have paid a big ass bill when I was picking up the car from the shop. He must never checked in on them at all when they wreaked their havoc. I'm glad you are happy and dealing with it in a not so somber way.....but shame on you for not crawling under or all over the car when you bought it. If you know anything about mopars rectal cancer is the first place to look before dumping a small fortune. Good luck I'm sure you will get it back to your standards. :2thumbs:
Quote from: The70RT on November 16, 2008, 06:30:41 PM
I can't believe Brian never crawled under the car and seen all that crap. I wouldn't have paid a big ass bill when I was picking up the car from the shop. He must never checked in on them at all when they wreaked their havoc. I'm glad you are happy and dealing with it in a not so somber way.....but shame on you for not crawling under or all over the car when you bought it. If you know anything about mopars rectal cancer is the first place to look before dumping a small fortune. Good luck I'm sure you will get it back to your standards. :2thumbs:
SERIOUSLY --- I KNOW. You couldn't be more correct here.. I am kicking myself for not crawling underneath the car.. OH WAIT, I DID.. I was under the back end strapping it to the trailer.. But did I see? NO. I was blinded by my enthusiasm and my dream of owning this car..
Trust me, I'm already blaming myself for not catching all of this crap.. And all the way down/home I was thinking I "lucked out" buying this car, that it was a survivor, or at least a fully restored winner.. :shruggy: Oh well, live and learn..
Don't be too hard on me, I'm a Vette owner, what do you expect me to know about Mopars? (http://domesticmisfits.net/forums/images/smilies/angel.gif)
Oh a vette owner....nevermind :D J/K
Can you guys suggest any other Mopar forums I should post this short story on? If not, maybe someone could do some link dropping for me??
Moparts, B-Body's.com :scratchchin:
www.moparts.com
www.moparchat.com
www.forbbodiesonly.com
Moparts.com would be another board to post on.
Ok, according to their pictures, they re-cleared the car after the decals were put on. Assuming they also cut 'n buffed it after that would explain why they didn't clean up the mess under the fuel filler (it was already assembled and they just masked the car). In one of their pictures they show primer on the front of the driver's fender when the push bar is going on. Any idea what that was from? Are you installing a new cage? Because that one in your pictures isn't the same as theirs. Depending on when that Hemi was built, Chrysler had a very poor reputation for build quality. Nearly everyone who bought one disassembled it, had it checked at a machine shop, and reassembled correctly. Man, that headliner and the seat covers looked bad when they left the shop. It's hard to believe they replaced the rear valence (and corners) but didn't touch the rear cross member. On their site it says "Quarter extensions patched" and they obviously weren't - unless they are talking about that little flat piece of metal holding on to the quarter. In their pictures it appears that the car was put on a rotisserie and (mostly ) stripped to bare metal. Why go through all that effort only to cover everything with Por-15 and then undercoating without actually fixing the rust? You can see them sanding the Bondo in the rear wheelhouse in one of the pics. You may also want to really check out your tail panel thoroughly - around the lights and the passenger side trunk lip.
I'd say the pictures are intentionally deceptive - just like HLPAG. Anything you can do to expose these guys is great for anyone else looking for a car.
Troy
See my answers, below, in bold.
Quote from: Troy on November 16, 2008, 07:09:11 PM
Ok, according to their pictures, they re-cleared the car after the decals were put on. Yes, but that's a story in itself. They put one coat of clear over my decals, which are all lifting under the clear. So now, in order to get the decals off, there's no easy way.
Assuming they also cut 'n buffed it after that would explain why they didn't clean up the mess under the fuel filler (it was already assembled and they just masked the car). True, but I
v seen pictures where the car was just painted/wetsanded/buffed and the crap is all in the gas cap area.
In one of their pictures they show primer on the front of the driver's fender when the push bar is going on. Any idea what that was from? This shot? (http://www.bkauto.net/media/images/glg90.gif) . I have no idea. I'd almost assume they damages something while installing the motor?
Are you installing a new cage? Because that one in your pictures isn't the same as theirs. Yes, the "cage" they installed is out. It was horrible. 2.5" exhaust tubing BARELY ATTACHED to the floor (held on with a pc of scrap metal) I had a 6pt cage installed and I might upgrade it down the road.
Depending on when that Hemi was built, Chrysler had a very poor reputation for build quality. Nearly everyone who bought one disassembled it, had it checked at a machine shop, and reassembled correctly. SUPPOSEDLY this motor was checked out (not by Burger King), but I can't confirm that. I'll have it checked out now.
Man, that headliner and the seat covers looked bad when they left the shop. You have no idea. The upholstery is a total butcher job. I've never seen a job done quite like it. You fold the front seats forward and the left-over material is just stapled to the back of the seat. It's gross.
It's hard to believe they replaced the rear valence (and corners) but didn't touch the rear cross member. I know. Then again, nothing is hard to believe with these guys any more.
On their site it says "Quarter extensions patched" and they obviously weren't - unless they are talking about that little flat piece of metal holding on to the quarter. Who knows what they did, but it's horrible. It's a thin pc of scrap metal welded (very sloppy) to the other panels. It's disgusting.
In their pictures it appears that the car was put on a rotisserie and (mostly ) stripped to bare metal. Why go through all that effort only to cover everything with Por-15 and then undercoating without actually fixing the rust? You're asking me a question that I've asked (along with everyone that's SEEN the car) a million times. There's NO EXCUSE for what they covered up.
You can see them sanding the Bondo in the rear wheelhouse in one of the pics. You may also want to really check out your tail panel thoroughly - around the lights and the passenger side trunk lip. The tail panel has been replaced.. They did a crap job installing it, but that'll be straightened out when the quarters go on.
I'd say the pictures are intentionally deceptive - just like HLPAG. Anything you can do to expose these guys is great for anyone else looking for a car. That's exactly my plan.. I would hate to see anyone else get shafted from these crooks. At this point I think I'd rather post a link to this thread on other forums, it'd take too long to drag all of this information to other sites.
Troy
I got to talking to a buddy of mine today.. We were talking about web crooks, and how they are everywhere.. Well, he brought up how a friend of his bought an old Mopar from a guy in Chicago.. The guy selling the car told him the car was "mint" inside and out. It was around $6k.
His friend took delivery of the car and it was an absolute TOILET. It was a rotted mess that needed a full restoration..
He tried to reason with the guy and asked him to refund his $$. The guy WOULD NOT give him his $$ back, so he told him he'd "be sorry"..
Well, this person sent some bad people over to this guy's shop to try to "convince him" to refund the $$ to the buyer. Later on , the seller appeared with the $$ (for the car AND transportation) and asked to please "get the guys you sent to my shop off my back". He said "Oh I will, in time...."
The irony of this story?? The seller's name was Hans... I almost dropped dead when I heard who it was.. Our very own HLPAG friend.. Amazing what a small world it is some times, huh?
Ok, back to the regularly scheduled program. :popcrn:
Quote from: dkn1997 on November 16, 2008, 06:58:59 PM
www.moparts.com
www.moparchat.com
www.forbbodiesonly.com
At this point, I'd like to ask a favor of you. If you (or anyone else here) are members of these forums, would you post a link to this thread? It would take far too long to drag all of this info to other forums.. I'd rather post links so they can see all of the details/replies.
Thanks :cheers: :cheers:
Quote from: jb666 on November 16, 2008, 06:15:52 PM
Quote from: Hemidoug on November 16, 2008, 06:14:32 PM
You better hope that who ever put that Hemi together knows what they are doing.....that doesn't go together like a wedge......lots can and DOES go wrong with Hemis.
Mopar Performance put it together, fortunately Burger King Auto didn't touch it except to put the motor in place and drop the carb on..
If MP put that thing together....you have more problems then you think. Take it from me...the MP motors are time bombs. I'd find a GOOD Hemi builder and at least do a teardown and inspection....I lost a motor this year to MP quality control...it sucks.
My 472 crate Hemi had to be rebuilt too. I bought it in Feb. 06. If you go to cuda-challenger.com you can read all about it.
Quote from: Go Hogs Go on November 17, 2008, 10:19:35 AM
My 472 crate Hemi had to be rebuilt too. I bought it in Feb. 06. If you go to cuda-challenger.com you can read all about it.
Wow!! :o , that is unreal..
Now my premise for buying this car in the first place is being questioned.. I assumed the drivetrain was rock solid because it was all new... I've already talked to the shop owner about checking the motor out.
Thanks :cheers: :cheers:
I'd make a small video and put it on youtube and then tell those idiots to look at what you did. Make sure you only show the facts to avoid slander. Then you'll get one or two members here a day to call them from all over and say they saw the bad work on youtube or this site and ask is that normal. :icon_smile_cool: See if that gets their attention. :yesnod: I'd call.... :2thumbs: Chuck..............................
Quote from: skip68 on November 17, 2008, 10:41:44 AM
I'd make a small video and put it on youtube and then tell those idiots to look at what you did. Make sure you only show the facts to avoid slander. Then get one or two members here a day to call them from all over and say they saw the bad work on youtube and ask is that normal and see if that gets their attention. :yesnod: I'd call.... :2thumbs: Chuck..............................
Good idea, Chuck. Enough people calling/emailing might wake them up. What I'm staying away from is posting things that are not facts (things that can't be backed up). I'm not out to slam a business that MAY NOT have done something wrong, I'm here to show what they DID wrong.
I've gotten a couple of messages from people stating how I was "in a rush" and "got what I deserved for not checking it out".
Yes, I was in a rush.. I drove 10 hours with the wife and my daughter to pick this car up. It was a holiday weekend and every place was closed in the area. That's no excuse, because I could have planned my trip a little better, but truth be told, I couldn't wait to get down there and take this car home.. I had already (more or less) made up my mind, and anyone that knows me knows that once this happens, nothing will turn me away. I'm very determined.
I could have and SHOULD HAVE handled this different, and believe me, I will not do something like this again without thinking it through.
Now that the nitty gritty is out of the way, I'd like to move forward. The shop doing this work for me specializes in work like this and does AMAZING work. I am not selling any unborn children to pay for this work, primarily due to the fact that it's "off season" and I brought my car in at the right time.. I am happy this work is being done, and once it's done, this car will live a happy life..
Thanks for all of your comments, guys, I am not discarding anything written here.
If they sell parts on ebay, you could buy something from them and leave a feedback statement telling anyone thinking about dealing with this shop to contact you for a photo presentation on your restoration.
Quote from: 68charger383 on November 17, 2008, 11:00:28 AM
If they sell parts on ebay, you could buy something from them and leave a feedback statement telling anyone thinking about dealing with this shop to contact you for a photo presentation on your restoration.
Oh, I've been watching.. So far, nothing but cars, but I'll keep my eyes open.
You should sell copies of the youtube video on ebay next to their ads. :smilielol: :2thumbs:
I used to live about a 1/4 mile from them.. Now about 8.......
Man, sorry for the bad news.. When I went over there once, there were some pretty rotted up 2nd generation carcasses...
Troy
Quote from: hemi68charger on November 17, 2008, 11:08:34 AM
I used to live about a 1/4 mile from them.. Now about 8.......
Man, sorry for the bad news.. When I went over there once, there were some pretty rotted up 2nd generation carcasses...
Troy
What's odd is when I first started "looking" at this car (here), I had someone in that area drive by and was told it was a "respectable shop". :lol:
Odd thing is (much like HLPAG I suppose) is they have a 100% EBay rating and I can't find (UNLIKE HLPAG) any bad publicity about them on the web.
One thing to keep in mind is what you have. :yesnod: And you will know what you have when it's done. :yesnod: I know it's alot of money but I think in the end you will be very pleased. Try not to let this leave a bad taste in your mouth as it may in your wallet right now. DON'T have buyers remorse. You've still got a cool car. :drool5: :2thumbs: Chuck................
Quote from: skip68 on November 17, 2008, 11:23:22 AM
One thing to keep in mind is what you have. :yesnod: And you will know what you have when it's done. :yesnod: I know it's alot of money but I think in the end you will be very pleased. Try not to let this leave a bad taste in your mouth as it may in your wallet right now. DON'T have buyers remorse. You've still got a cool car. :drool5: :2thumbs: Chuck................
Oh believe me, I have no buyer's remorse.. I still would have taken the car, I think I would have been more inclined to negotiate a bit had these issues been brought to light. I love the car and am VERY optimistic about it's outcome. I know it'll be done right and will be as good (if not better) then new by the time it's done..
Thanks :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
Quote from: jb666 on November 17, 2008, 11:13:46 AM
Quote from: hemi68charger on November 17, 2008, 11:08:34 AM
I used to live about a 1/4 mile from them.. Now about 8.......
Man, sorry for the bad news.. When I went over there once, there were some pretty rotted up 2nd generation carcasses...
Troy
What's odd is when I first started "looking" at this car (here), I had someone in that area drive by and was told it was a "respectable shop". :lol:
Odd thing is (much like HLPAG I suppose) is they have a 100% EBay rating and I can't find (UNLIKE HLPAG) any bad publicity about them on the web.
I may have been the very person that told you that.. Maybe not... I've seen some of their work in progress. Albeit, it's nothing I would have ever spent money on, they seemed to be on the up and up....... Didn't follow them enough to develop a history to see any outcome of their work... But, I guess we see something now..
T
Quote from: hemi68charger on November 17, 2008, 11:30:03 AM
Quote from: jb666 on November 17, 2008, 11:13:46 AM
Quote from: hemi68charger on November 17, 2008, 11:08:34 AM
I used to live about a 1/4 mile from them.. Now about 8.......
Man, sorry for the bad news.. When I went over there once, there were some pretty rotted up 2nd generation carcasses...
Troy
What's odd is when I first started "looking" at this car (here), I had someone in that area drive by and was told it was a "respectable shop". :lol:
Odd thing is (much like HLPAG I suppose) is they have a 100% EBay rating and I can't find (UNLIKE HLPAG) any bad publicity about them on the web.
I may have been the very person that told you that.. Maybe not... I've seen some of their work in progress. Albeit, it's nothing I would have ever spent money on, they seemed to be on the up and up....... Didn't follow them enough to develop a history to see any outcome of their work... But, I guess we see something now..
T
Don't take that as me looking for someone to blame, here.. I know well enough to look in the mirror if I want that :slap:
Quote from: jb666 on November 17, 2008, 11:32:41 AM
Quote from: hemi68charger on November 17, 2008, 11:30:03 AM
Quote from: jb666 on November 17, 2008, 11:13:46 AM
Quote from: hemi68charger on November 17, 2008, 11:08:34 AM
I used to live about a 1/4 mile from them.. Now about 8.......
Man, sorry for the bad news.. When I went over there once, there were some pretty rotted up 2nd generation carcasses...
Troy
What's odd is when I first started "looking" at this car (here), I had someone in that area drive by and was told it was a "respectable shop". :lol:
Odd thing is (much like HLPAG I suppose) is they have a 100% EBay rating and I can't find (UNLIKE HLPAG) any bad publicity about them on the web.
I may have been the very person that told you that.. Maybe not... I've seen some of their work in progress. Albeit, it's nothing I would have ever spent money on, they seemed to be on the up and up....... Didn't follow them enough to develop a history to see any outcome of their work... But, I guess we see something now..
T
Don't take that as me looking for someone to blame, here.. I know well enough to look in the mirror if I want that :slap:
Cool,, I didn't think you were, I just hate the feeling if it was me that lead you to this person... :2thumbs:
I haven't read the thread, just one or two posts, so forgive me if I miss some of the finer points.
Someone thought I should see whats being said in this thread in case I should want to make an argument. I don't think it is worth getting too involved in whats going on here, so I'll just say this and then leave it be.
Has anyone been to our shop and seen what we do? Do you judge by the best someone can do or the worst? I don't think there is a question that we can do quality work. for over a decade we have built cars for collectors, museums and everything in between from $20,000 up to $250,000. what you can afford, is what you can afford. We have a very good reputation, with only 3 compaints in 10 years, (four now counting this one). Every single one has come down to one thing: a customer who wants more than they can afford.
Point 1) This was not a 'restoration', it is a General Lee. I try to make it as plain as I can that movie cars do not get 'restored'. that's not up to me, its because the majority customers cannot afford it, and I personally would advise against it. It is a completely separate business from our restorations and is done in a completely different way. Movie cars typically sell in the $20-$40k range. Doesn't leave alot of room for restoration.
Point 2) What did we get paid for this car? Lets get out the receipts and put this nonsense to bed. $25,000. $25,000 covered the cost of the car to start with, all of the interior and exterior parts, everything but the driveline, body and standard paintwork. Starts to look alittle skimpy now doesn't it. The car was rotisserie blasted for gods sake, that's a $15,000 addition to any real restoration. the extra money that was spent? over $20,000 was PARTS ALONE. Send me a $20,000 engine, it doesn't get your car sanded. I don't car what you spend on parts, that doesn't pay a dollar of labor.
My meaning is this: Any quality shop can do the same job as another quality shop. there is no magic wand that makes things cheaper, unless the shop works for less. If they can afford it, that's great. Our business is not ran from my house, I have overhead and costs associated with being in the 4th largest city in the country. Parts cost what they cost, and I don't have illegal mexicans doing our work for $5 an hour either. most of our charges are $65 or $70 per hour. That's pretty par across the board with shops like mine. in fact, I tend to be alittle on the cheap side in comparison.
The movie cars are 'cheap' in comparison to anything else, just the way they are as dictated by the market base. They get employees that are less expensive, or new, or whatever it takes to make a car with a small budget. That doesn't mean you try to build a crap car, but it does mean I cant put $25,000 worth of metal work into a car that has a budget of $1500 for metal work. You do the math. You have to make choices on where its most important and where the time spent doesn't the most good for the finished product.
Now, this guy never set out to make a HEMI General, at least not that I was ever told. we talked for a long time back and forth because he wanted the cheapest General Lee I could build. Everyone else told him no. It was later, after I finally agreed that I could make a car for him at $10,000 less than everyone else was paying (because I had some new guys I could let break their teeth among other reasons) and had already started the work that he called to say a HEMI was showing up and would I put that in instead? And it all went to hell from there. He didn't know what he was getting in to, and couldn't afford it. Bottom line. we had already finished his body for the cheap car, there was no way to turn back and redo any of that. I forced him to build a better transmission, reinforce the body where it was still accessable and make what changes could be made to make sure the car wouldn't fall apart, and he fought me every step of the way.
Now, go ahead and judge, that's the fun part of see what someone else does. But at least you have a glimpse of the other side. This is a great target for people to jump at that either don't like businesses like mine or want to carve out a niche for themselves. But what I don't understand is how many of you can really afford to do a real six figure restoration? In real numbers its a very small percentage. When you get your car done somewhere and the guy makes it work for less, or saves you money, he is making choices to 'not do something', or do something less than perfect, or use a less expensive method, all in order to save you money and help your project get finished. I turn people away all the time because they cant afford it, and they get mad at me like I have done something wrong or insulted them. This job was taken back in '05 after I was phone badgered to death and gave in, then he changed everything without notice. I did the best I could with what HE COULD AFFORD. And it made a great looking car that ran like a raped ape and did everything a car should.
I've put in floors that were meant to be painted and spent thousands of dollars. I have put in floors for another customer for hundreds of dollars that are 100% as structurally sound as the former. Should I tell customer 'B" he is not allowed to have new floors put in his baby unless he spends like crazy and has me paint them as well? I think there is a line, but lets be careful where we draw it. Otherwise, alot of us would find ourselves getting turned away because we cant afford to build Chip Foose rides.
In this case, I regret ever getting sucked into this car. I thought I was doing some guy with a low budget a favor, and in the end the joke was on me, but with what I was given we made one hell of a car and I doubt anyone else could have done better given the same circumstances. I know the story. I know what we did and didn't, and I don't feel bad about one bit.
Thanks for the time,
*prepares massive tub of popcorn*
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Quote from: moparstuart on November 17, 2008, 12:50:31 PM
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Quote from: BKautomotive on November 17, 2008, 12:36:59 PM
Has anyone been to our shop and seen what we do?
I have............... Man, $70K, that's a whole lot of money for something in that condition. My question would be did the buyer know that car was that bad off to begin with? I mean if someone knew, they would have maybe made another decision on whether to use THAT particular shell or something else. Someone gets what they can afford is definitely the case.. Now, the question is; how much is someone charging per hour and is the work and end-product reflective of that?
I'm not here to cast stones... I just see in the pictures a car that was majorly patched together with superficial beauty....... As far as judging what someone can do, I judge them by all the facts... Having been burned majorly by a Houston local, I'm very perceptive to these things................
Good luck to all and hope everything turns out ok with the re-restoration recreation General Lee
jb666Troy
Quote from: SFRT on November 17, 2008, 12:53:27 PM
hey stuart do you want some melted butter?
salt to please :popcrn: :popcrn: :popcrn: thanks
ok so we have heard from 666 and BK...has Sickdawg had anything to say?
Very interesting..
The bottom line is there were several safety issues that could have caused this car to fail, causing bodily injury for me or my passengers. I don't care if someone paid $1 for a brake job or $10,000 for the same job, the car should still leave the shop safe and road-worth. "cheap" or not. My friends have dealt with MANY cheap clients in their time, but that doesn't mean they release that person's car KNOWING it could fall apart. It means you do it right and deal with the $$ issues after the fact. How can you sleep at night knowing you shipped a car that could have dumped it's gas tank at any given moment? How about the front end that was about to fall out of the car? And that's just a tip of the iceburg.
It all comes down to SAFETY, not quality. Either you care, or you don't, and clearly, YOU DO NOT.
You bring up a few very interesting points, one of which is that the car was "rotisserie blasted ". Why would you go through all of this and sugar coat all of the rot the car had? If you're going to go through the trouble of putting a car on a rotisserie shouldn't you at least make sure the points you bolt it to the machine are solid?? I have NO CLUE how you hooked the back end of this car up :shruggy:
So, the $70k I was told was in this car is including the engine, that still leaves $50k to work on a car and get it up to snuff.. While this won't make the car win any World Of Wheels awards, this certainly should make it SAFE (there's that word again).
My only gripe here is that it appears you punished Brian for being cheap, which is an absolute joke. The guy did the best with what he had to work with. I'm not sticking up for him, by any means, but he still came up with a way to pay you $50,000 ::) , shouldn't he at least have received a car that you'd feel comfortable taking your kids for a ride on a Sunday afternoon??
I'm not here to judge. I'm here to show how this car was built. Cutting corners like this is NOT the way I'd want my company to be represented out on the web.
Brian tells me that you were double billing him for certain issues, which in turn he was labeled as "cheap". Is this true? I know if I got a bill for $2500+ for "repro parts" I'd question it too. $2500 buys an awful lot of "repro parts". A $25 trip to the auto parts store? $200+ for a pitman arm that NEEDED TO BE CHANGED?? I've reviewed all of the invoices Brian paid and I couldn't believe some of the things I was reading..
Quote from: SFRT on November 17, 2008, 01:17:31 PM
ok so we have heard from 666 and BK...has Sickdawg had anything to say?
You know, I'd like to hear from him too, at this point. All I am is the guy who bought the car from HIM. I'd like him to post his side of the story as well.
I'll shoot him an email now and ask him to step in.
I can see the guys point that its a General Lee, its not a restored car, etc..
But how could a reputable "automotive" shop of any kind sell a car that has so many safety issues that it might have exploded and burned down to the ground just sitting there?
I'm cheap and live in the midwest where you can get cars restored cheaper labor wise !
I could get two of my cars restore to really really nice driver quality for 50 k including parts :Twocents: :stirthepot:
Quote from: 1BAD68 on November 17, 2008, 01:21:06 PM
I can see the guys point that its a General Lee, its not a restored car, etc..
But how could a reputable "automotive" shop of any kind sell a car that has so many safety issues that it might have exploded and burned down to the ground just sitting there?
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For 50 to 70K, there should have been a high quality product. Not a "World of Wheels" car, but a dang nice driver that's solid... Guess I need to get into this business.............. Oh wait,,,, if I did that then tinkering with mine would lose its appeal................... naaaaaaaa.. I'll just continue to help out.............. :icon_smile_big:
I'm an Electrician. If I had a customer that was low on cash I WOULD NOT TAPE WIRES TOGETHER AND CALL IT SAFE BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THEY COULD AFFORD. I MEAN COME ON, SAFETY GOES ON BEFORE CLEAR COAT. :flame: :flame: :flame: :flame: I WOULD DO IT RIGHT OR NOT AT ALL
15K to blast the car.???...had mine done for 1,400. I would have said the frame rails and trunk extensions are toast and fix them then see what he had left to spend on the rest because if you don't do that now why bother with looks. If I also tore the frontend down I sure would have bought a front end rebuild kit for 500 instead of painting the turds and putting them back on.....that's where you could be sued when the shit fell off and killed someone. If your business oriented tell your customers that you are doing it right and if you wanna cut corners take it somewhere else because you never know who will get the car next and exploit all the shoddy work. No what the circumstances are because you are setting yourself up for this sooner or later and then have to explain putting a new valance over a rotted crossmember etc.etc.etc.etc :Twocents:
it would have been just as fast and probably cheaper to grind off the rot on the rails and weld on some good flatstock rather than fiberglass over it.
last time I checked steel stock wasnt that expensive. it might have looked a little weird but it would have been waaaaaaaaaaaaaay better than cosmetically hiding structural failure.
and since we are talking mexicans, in a past life when I ran a construction crew the 'mexicans' always worked harder and better than the lazy-assed white dudes.
I like mexicans.
Why does a rotisserie restored movie car get less attention than a non movie rotisserie car? Iam not sure I follow why it matters that it is a General lee or not when it comes to a restoration. I would think for $50,000 or more it damn well better get the same attention.
jb666, in your first post you mention numerous things you found wrong with the car and alot of them (guages not working, brakes leaking, steering column loose, etc..) seem like important issues that a seller should mention, just wondering if the guy you bought it from ever pointed out any problems with it?
Quote from: 1BAD68 on November 17, 2008, 03:00:30 PM
jb666, in your first post you mention numerous things you found wrong with the car and alot of them (guages not working, brakes leaking, steering column loose, etc..) seem like important issues that a seller should mention, just wondering if the guy you bought it from ever pointed out any problems with it?
No, not one of these issues ever came up. The seller told me all of the gauges had been sent out, restored and refaced. The loose column I didn't discover until I was backing the car off the ramps and the horn would go off when ever I'd move the wheel in either direction. The brakes and front end I didn't notice until I was bringing it to my buddy's shop, where the car was parked in my garage there was a spot of every type of fluid this car holds on the ground, some larger then others. The rear main seal of the tranny was missing and a large thick layer of gasket sealer was in there.. The speedo cable was cross threaded in the trans and leaking like crazy. The dipstick tube wasn't inserted properly and the motor was leaking oil. There was 100% straight (rusty) water in the cooling system, no anti-freeze. The thermostat was rusted shut (I'll post this later, it's nasty). I was told the motor was filled with Royal Purple motor oil. It had conventional 10/40, nothing purple about it. The saga goes on and on from there...
Quote from: 1BAD68 on November 17, 2008, 03:00:30 PM
jb666, in your first post you mention numerous things you found wrong with the car and alot of them (guages not working, brakes leaking, steering column loose, etc..) seem like important issues that a seller should mention, just wondering if the guy you bought it from ever pointed out any problems with it?
That's what is confusing to me. You also said you went and picked the car up when you purchased it. The steering wheel had to be something you noticed right away? There's a piece to this puzzle missing. I can't figure out what it is, but it's something. :scratchchin:
Quote from: Chris G. on November 17, 2008, 03:07:01 PM
Quote from: 1BAD68 on November 17, 2008, 03:00:30 PM
jb666, in your first post you mention numerous things you found wrong with the car and alot of them (guages not working, brakes leaking, steering column loose, etc..) seem like important issues that a seller should mention, just wondering if the guy you bought it from ever pointed out any problems with it?
That's what is confusing to me. You also said you went and picked the car up when you purchased it. The steering wheel had to be something you noticed right away? There's a piece to this puzzle missing. I can't figure out what it is, but it's something. :scratchchin:
The only piece of the puzzle that's missing is the fact that I took this car for face value.. We flew down there in the middle of the night with the trailer attached, picked it up early the next morning (in the rain) and left.. There was no test drive, no lift inspection, nothing.. So yeah, that's 100% my fault. I AM THE MISSING LINK :lol: I let my emotions get the best of me and I jumped at this deal. I figured anyone that had $70k into a car and would sell it for 1/2 that KNEW he was losing his shirt and had a Hell of a car in his possession.
Quote from: Go Hogs Go on November 17, 2008, 10:19:35 AM
My 472 crate Hemi had to be rebuilt too. I bought it in Feb. 06. If you go to cuda-challenger.com you can read all about it.
Or you can luck out like I have so far. Mine's a 2nd generation motor. I've put 3000 or so miles on it and have run down the track 30 or so times. Zero problems. I did have a baffle on the pass. side vc come loose.
When the intake & valve covers were changed out my buddy gave it a quick inspection and it all looked good he said. It'll use a half quart of oil every 300 miles or so, but I have never had a big block Mopar not use just a little oil.
If I were you I wouldn't put synthetic motor oil in your Hemi. It doesn't have a high enough zinc content. There is a warning in the engine & tranny discussion board about what can happen to your cam and lifters. Use a heavy duty conventional oil like Rotella 15W-40, or a racing motor oil with a high zinc content. I use Valvoline 20W-50 VR1 race oil in my Hemi. That crate engine will have oil leaking out of everywhere if you use synthetic. I'd only use a synthetic oil in a Hemi if the engine builder recommended it.
You know allot of people can bitch about how he should have looked at the car closely before picking it up let alone paying for it but in reality this all finally boiled down to one person spending $70,000 on a car that was not only dangerous to drive in, but nowhere worth the $70,000 paid to have it "restored"!
And what the HELL is the difference making a movie car compared to restoring another car? The only difference I see is the rollcage (which wouldnt have held up if the car had rolled), the front grille guard (which was mounted at an angle), and the decals!
Step up to your mistakes BK and be a man in this and admit you guys cut corners!
:scratchchin: :think: :shruggy: So let me get this right. :scratchchin: HLPAG uses Bondo to fill holes, :rotz: And with all due respect sir, your company BKAutomotive uses fiberglass on frame rails? ? ? :scratchchin: :smilielol: I do agree that you probably can put out good work just like HLPAG probably can. :shruggy: BUT, what I see is you can equally put out poor work as they can, :yesnod: and possibly illegal. This whole fiberglass on bad frames business I think needs some more looking into. At this point I think it would be a very smart idea for you to speak in private with jb666 and resolve this quickly and quietly. :yesnod: But that's just my two cents. This is a hobby for most of us and if someone has something bad to say about me that's OK, I can still feed my kids in the morning. For you, this is your living "AND" a seed is being planted if you know what I mean. I like the fact that you came on here and spoke your side. That shows some charactor which is more than I can say about HLPAG or what ever they call themselves. The internet is a great way to make business and an EQUALLY great way to break business. :yesnod: Chuck..............
Quote from: Drache on November 17, 2008, 04:05:04 PM
You know allot of people can bitch about how he should have looked at the car closely before picking it up let alone paying for it but in reality this all finally boiled down to one person spending $70,000 on a car that was not only dangerous to drive in, but nowhere worth the $70,000 paid to have it "restored"!
And what the HELL is the difference making a movie car compared to restoring another car? The only difference I see is the rollcage (which wouldnt have held up if the car had rolled), the front grille guard (which was mounted at an angle), and the decals!
Step up to your mistakes BK and be a man in this and admit you guys cut corners!
Thank you.We can get as off-subject here as we want, but I've already accepted blame for not thoroughly inspecting this vehicle before purchasing it. I'm dealing with that now, IMO.
Quote from: BKautomotive on November 17, 2008, 12:36:59 PM
I haven't read the thread, just one or two posts, so forgive me if I miss some of the finer points.
Someone thought I should see whats being said in this thread in case I should want to make an argument. I don't think it is worth getting too involved in whats going on here, so I'll just say this and then leave it be.
Only one or two posts? You haven't missed the finer points - you've missed nearly all the points. Not worth getting involved? Seems ironic because that's the general consensus about your shop so far.
Quote from: BKautomotive on November 17, 2008, 12:36:59 PM
Has anyone been to our shop and seen what we do? Do you judge by the best someone can do or the worst?
So, you're admitting this is your worst work?
Quote from: BKautomotive on November 17, 2008, 12:36:59 PM
I don't think there is a question that we can do quality work.
That's what the entire thread is about! Whoops, you didn't read it, sorry, my bad.
Quote from: BKautomotive on November 17, 2008, 12:36:59 PM
The car was rotisserie blasted for gods sake, that's a $15,000 addition to any real restoration.
I had my car blasted for around $1000, but that was 15 years ago and they didn't even have a rotisserie to use. Oh, wait, that would have made it easier, and, uh, cheaper too. At $70/hour one guy would spend 5 straight weeks doing that. Am I missing something?
Quote from: BKautomotive on November 17, 2008, 12:36:59 PM
Parts cost what they cost, and I don't have illegal mexicans doing our work for $5 an hour either. most of our charges are $65 or $70 per hour. That's pretty par across the board with shops like mine. in fact, I tend to be alittle on the cheap side in comparison.
So, at $70/hour you had 14 Mexicans working on this car at one time? I find that hard to believe. Seems like they would always be getting in each others way, you know, sparks flying off the welding torches, landing on the next poor bastard, setting him on fire, and so on. Wait, that's not believable, I'm sorry. You didn't do much welding, what with all the structural fiberglass and all.
Quote from: BKautomotive on November 17, 2008, 12:36:59 PM
... has a budget of $1500 for metal work. You do the math.
Okay, I'll do the math. 300 Mexicans can spend one hour each on the metal work. What's your point?
Quote from: BKautomotive on November 17, 2008, 12:36:59 PM
...could make a car for him at $10,000 less than everyone else was paying (because I had some new guys I could let break their teeth among other reasons)...
What do you pay the Toothless labor - $10/hour?
Quote from: BKautomotive on November 17, 2008, 12:36:59 PM
When you get your car done somewhere and the guy makes it work for less, or saves you money, he is making choices to 'not do something', or do something less than perfect, or use a less expensive method, all in order to save you money and help your project get finished. I turn people away all the time because they cant afford it, and they get mad at me like I have done something wrong or insulted them. This job was taken back in '05 after I was phone badgered to death and gave in, then he changed everything without notice. I did the best I could with what HE COULD AFFORD. And it made a great looking car that ran like a raped ape and did everything a car should.
I've put in floors that were meant to be painted and spent thousands of dollars. I have put in floors for another customer for hundreds of dollars that are 100% as structurally sound as the former. Should I tell customer 'B" he is not allowed to have new floors put in his baby unless he spends like crazy and has me paint them as well? I think there is a line, but lets be careful where we draw it. Otherwise, alot of us would find ourselves getting turned away because we cant afford to build Chip Foose rides.
In this case, I regret ever getting sucked into this car. I thought I was doing some guy with a low budget a favor, and in the end the joke was on me, but with what I was given we made one hell of a car and I doubt anyone else could have done better given the same circumstances. I know the story. I know what we did and didn't, and I don't feel bad about one bit.
Thanks for the time,
Well, aside from the apes getting sodomized, I'll give you some credit for your, umm, finer points. See, I bothered to read your side of the story.
-john
Quote from: BKautomotive on November 17, 2008, 12:36:59 PM
I haven't read the thread, just one or two posts, so forgive me if I miss some of the finer points.
Someone thought I should see whats being said in this thread in case I should want to make an argument. I don't think it is worth getting too involved in whats going on here, so I'll just say this and then leave it be.
Has anyone been to our shop and seen what we do? Do you judge by the best someone can do or the worst? I don't think there is a question that we can do quality work. for over a decade we have built cars for collectors, museums and everything in between from $20,000 up to $250,000. what you can afford, is what you can afford. We have a very good reputation, with only 3 compaints in 10 years, (four now counting this one). Every single one has come down to one thing: a customer who wants more than they can afford.
Point 1) This was not a 'restoration', it is a General Lee. I try to make it as plain as I can that movie cars do not get 'restored'. that's not up to me, its because the majority customers cannot afford it, and I personally would advise against it. It is a completely separate business from our restorations and is done in a completely different way. Movie cars typically sell in the $20-$40k range. Doesn't leave alot of room for restoration.
Point 2) What did we get paid for this car? Lets get out the receipts and put this nonsense to bed. $25,000. $25,000 covered the cost of the car to start with, all of the interior and exterior parts, everything but the driveline, body and standard paintwork. Starts to look alittle skimpy now doesn't it. The car was rotisserie blasted for gods sake, that's a $15,000 addition to any real restoration. the extra money that was spent? over $20,000 was PARTS ALONE. Send me a $20,000 engine, it doesn't get your car sanded. I don't car what you spend on parts, that doesn't pay a dollar of labor.
My meaning is this: Any quality shop can do the same job as another quality shop. there is no magic wand that makes things cheaper, unless the shop works for less. If they can afford it, that's great. Our business is not ran from my house, I have overhead and costs associated with being in the 4th largest city in the country. Parts cost what they cost, and I don't have illegal mexicans doing our work for $5 an hour either. most of our charges are $65 or $70 per hour. That's pretty par across the board with shops like mine. in fact, I tend to be alittle on the cheap side in comparison.
The movie cars are 'cheap' in comparison to anything else, just the way they are as dictated by the market base. They get employees that are less expensive, or new, or whatever it takes to make a car with a small budget. That doesn't mean you try to build a crap car, but it does mean I cant put $25,000 worth of metal work into a car that has a budget of $1500 for metal work. You do the math. You have to make choices on where its most important and where the time spent doesn't the most good for the finished product.
Now, this guy never set out to make a HEMI General, at least not that I was ever told. we talked for a long time back and forth because he wanted the cheapest General Lee I could build. Everyone else told him no. It was later, after I finally agreed that I could make a car for him at $10,000 less than everyone else was paying (because I had some new guys I could let break their teeth among other reasons) and had already started the work that he called to say a HEMI was showing up and would I put that in instead? And it all went to hell from there. He didn't know what he was getting in to, and couldn't afford it. Bottom line. we had already finished his body for the cheap car, there was no way to turn back and redo any of that. I forced him to build a better transmission, reinforce the body where it was still accessable and make what changes could be made to make sure the car wouldn't fall apart, and he fought me every step of the way.
Now, go ahead and judge, that's the fun part of see what someone else does. But at least you have a glimpse of the other side. This is a great target for people to jump at that either don't like businesses like mine or want to carve out a niche for themselves. But what I don't understand is how many of you can really afford to do a real six figure restoration? In real numbers its a very small percentage. When you get your car done somewhere and the guy makes it work for less, or saves you money, he is making choices to 'not do something', or do something less than perfect, or use a less expensive method, all in order to save you money and help your project get finished. I turn people away all the time because they cant afford it, and they get mad at me like I have done something wrong or insulted them. This job was taken back in '05 after I was phone badgered to death and gave in, then he changed everything without notice. I did the best I could with what HE COULD AFFORD. And it made a great looking car that ran like a raped ape and did everything a car should.
I've put in floors that were meant to be painted and spent thousands of dollars. I have put in floors for another customer for hundreds of dollars that are 100% as structurally sound as the former. Should I tell customer 'B" he is not allowed to have new floors put in his baby unless he spends like crazy and has me paint them as well? I think there is a line, but lets be careful where we draw it. Otherwise, alot of us would find ourselves getting turned away because we cant afford to build Chip Foose rides.
In this case, I regret ever getting sucked into this car. I thought I was doing some guy with a low budget a favor, and in the end the joke was on me, but with what I was given we made one hell of a car and I doubt anyone else could have done better given the same circumstances. I know the story. I know what we did and didn't, and I don't feel bad about one bit.
Thanks for the time,
First, I'm quoting the response from BK so it isn't mysteriously "edited" or "deleted" later on.
The sad part about all this is that the current owner's only legal recourse is probably with who he bought the car from. The body shop has nothing to really be concerned about unless the seller decides to follow up against them. It's likely that the seller will not post, or say a word, because he knows damn well he ripped someone off by passing on the rolling mess without saying what was wrong with it. The only positive thing to note is, more people have been warned about the new halpag franchise & the way they turn out expensive pieces of crap they don't have a problem with putting their name on. ::)
not only putting there name on it , but a big plaque !
Oh, sorry to but in again, but i have been getting more emails pointing out specific posts. I'll shed some light on some of these things that I thought were interesting or of note and then leave the board to the guys it belongs to.
I have put the posted notes first with responses in italic.
Rotted frame rails covered in fiberglass.. Check out the "patches" and the holes. In person this rail is disgusting.
-There were rust spots in teh rails, almost completely confined to the rear, behind the axle and under the trunk. you can even see in the photos its mostly complete, with holes dotting teh rails. They were blasted to remove exterior rust, glassed over to make them appear smoother and undercoated. the trunk rails are not structural to the car. 99% of the weight and structure supporting i done between the front and rear wheels. this could have been done alot better, but as it has little importance to the track or structure of the car this is an area where money was saved.
They put a new pan down , as you can see. They left rotted corners in the trunk and filled them in with fiberglass. You can (or COULD) see through to the ground from each corner of my trunk.
-we did major pan, but not trunk extensions. there were holes in the trunk extension, and by holes I mean a few that you could see through. Its in the trunk. If I have to explain this,.... I think the decision making is evident here.
Their "custom subframe connectors" were an absolute joke. They may as well have used exhaust tubing.. The welds on the end were something your 10 year old son could do with a blindfold on.
-thats actually funny. Anyone who knows anything about subframes or mopars knows that these are the best subframes you can buy or build. they were welded by a frame and structureal designer/fabricator that has built things for indy cars. they were correct thick wall tube and correctly welded. Since the major welding was done in this car and it was off the twirler it was made to be a bolt-on connector. Just to be safe, it was welded on by the installer, so I can see it being rough welds where it attatched to the car, but thats because it was already bolted and the welding didnt need to be perfect.
Gee, let's weld a couple of cool looking bars under the hood and then brag about how they'll take the torque of the Hemi.. When in reality they are welded to a thin pc of metal known as the FIREWALL. These things have about as much support as a 2X4 would holding up a bridge..
-They are not welded to the firewal. They are welded to a 1/4" steel plate reinforcement on the wirewall. And yes, they are very strong. It has been proven on the track with high hp and high $ cars. these braces are built by XV who produces $250k base model super-muscle cars. Its ridiculous to say they are anything but perfect.
See all the open holes on the firewall? Well, to rectify this situation, they simply took some Dynamat from the inside and spray painted it black in the engine bay.. Problem solved, RIGHT??
-right. since the buyer said he was installing an a/c and heater system once he got the car, so the firewall needed to be left alone. I put dynamat over the holes so I could test drive the car without choking to death on fumes. And nothing in the engine bay was spray painted.
Let's brag that all of the gauges have been sent out and rebuilt, yet we'll install them and NONE OF THEM will work. Sounds reasonable.
-Auto Instruments rebuilt the gauges, and have done mine and many others for many, many years. Its about $750 worth of work for the basic package and I have never had them not work. they worked when they were installed. I would look at the ratty wiring harness before I considered the gauges.
Let's do a 4 wheel disc conversion but leave all of the drum lines/hardware under the car. Who needs a T in the back, a little duck tape will hold the lines in fine.. The leaks? Eh , there nothing..The ENTIRE brake system had to be taken out.
-all i can say is there was no ducktape used, there was a T installed and there were NO brake leaks when it was here. If there were leaks, it would have been redone. And I don't recall any original brake hardware left in place from the drums. the front, rear and e-brake were all new, front to back.
The front end.. That's a good one. They took it apart, sandblasted items(ball joints, tie rods), painted them and reinstalled them. THEY WERE ALL TRASH. The front end virtually fell apart in our hands. The wheel bearings were toast, and the alignment was WAYYYY off.
-the car was blasted befoer the front end parts were put on and we do not reuse front end parts. everything on the front end was NAPA new. I'll bet he alignment was off, since it was never done. I didnt do an alignment on that car and advised the buyer it needed to be done if he wasnt going to have it done here.
Reply Part 2
Let's look at this picture.. All looks good, right?? WRONG. The steering column had no guts and swiveled around about 6" in a circle. It wasn't bolted to the firewall and had one bolt barely holding it under the dash. The center console has nothing securing it to the floor. The shifter isn't bolted down and there's no wires running to the lights in the console.. In fact, there are no interior lights PERIOD. They buried the dome light when they did the headliner..
-I know it didnt leave that way. the column was bolted down. I cant say that the column was in mint shape, it was whatever came with the car, but it was bolted in. And no, we don't install interior lights in the base-models. And the dome light in a general lee is a bad idea. the heat radiates off the rollbar and makes for a very hot rollbar, and at best melts the padding, at worst burns someone. In almost all cases, it melts the new lens. We havent put domelights in those for 8 years. And unless the car was a console shift, I don't run wiring for the console lights, they are there fr looks only on base-models.
The torque converter.. I was told it was a 3500 stall. It's an stock converter.
-then someone lied to us and sold us the wrong convertor. That is something that should have been addressed and exchanged under warranty. It is supposed to be a 3500 stal convertor, thats what was paid for.
Ok, I'll leave the board now. i don't have a problem with these things being said. In fact, I am happy to discuss the details with anyone. If I am anything, I am honest and upfront. I had several people call me directly to ask about the car and how it was built, I know at least one definately chose not to buy it based on the information I gave him. Not trying to kil the sale, but wasnt trying to lie either. I told him the truth, which I would have done for anyone who asked me. It is what it is. I wouldnt pay $60k for it, because i don't think its built right or worth it as is, but there was alot going into it that was not up to me.
It left with Royal Purple, orange coolant, no leaks, working thermostat, trans seals... I don't know what to say except something is missing in between. You have a specific question about what it had, I always answer the telephone and email.
I think these forums are a good thing. I just want to make sure it is truthfully represented. this is a tool for someone to use when looking to have work done. they hear good things, then bad things, then see for themselves and make an educated decision. I see some un-truths being put out there and want to correct the record where it needs. the car did have problems, but to say its something that we were paid for that we didnt do right is not the case. I think its great that the new owner is going to fix them and make the car what it should be, best of luck.
Things that were major, I fought to get done and some did, some didnt. At the end of the day, I will not spend my money to build someone else a car. And there is no double billing going on here or anything like that, and I can back up every record I have.
Bottom line: the car is what it is. It was never and is not a restored charger. he spent about $70k? Well out of that only around $20k went to us in labor. To build a complete car for that, it was a damn nice car. It did was it was supposed to. It looked good. I drove the thing at 65 MPH with no problems. It had bad points, but some are superficial and some didnt exist when it was here, don't know what to say about that. I could make perfect General Lee replicas for $65k but no one would buy them and there would be another thread on here calling me a jerk for charging too much. I can't make everyone happy, but I do pretty good. To say this is indicative of what we do here is wrong, and I think it is obvious to anyone who takes the time to see what we are about. everyone needs to make a living, but we are here because we love what we do and want to help others enjoy it as well. I gave up a career that paid twice as good to build this business because it is satisfying... except for days like this i suppose.
thanks for the time and space. I can't think of anything else I need to bother posting about, so back to you in the studio. The information is available for anyone who wants to know. I am only a phone call away.
Bk Automotive LLC
www.bkauto.net
www.blackknightchoppers.net
713-996-9655
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:popcrn: sickdawg??..?...?? :shruggy:
:popcrn: :popcrn: :popcrn: :popcrn: :popcrn: :popcrn: :popcrn:
Save some for me. :popcrn:
I'm going to make nachos. who wants some?
I'll take some please, but go easy on the cheese :icon_smile_big:
Quote from: PocketThunder on November 17, 2008, 05:38:03 PM
:popcrn: sickdawg??..?...?? :shruggy:
Remember there are 3 sides to every story.....right?
I think it's officially come down to sickdawg's turn to state opinions! :shruggy:
Quote from: SFRT on November 17, 2008, 05:58:33 PM
I'm going to make nachos. who wants some?
Save some for me.. I just got an email from BK.. Apparently they think I've posted something other then facts/truth here (which I haven't) and they've told me they WILL NOT be helping me with the repairs. I expected that, so this is no surprise, I just gave them the excuse they were looking for.. They NEVER PLANNED ON HELPING ME!! :lol: :lol:
I'm sorry, but Brian was NOT a wrench turner, so I can promise you he did nothing to this car. Anti-Freeze wasn't drained, he never changed the oil and he most certainly didn't cause everything to leak. Even still, you are defending ANTI-FREEZE?? WHO REALLY CARES? You haven't addressed SAFETY ISSUES. You knowingly shipped this car from your shop WITH YOUR TAGS ON THE CAR knowing it could get someone killed.
Back to the anti-freeze. The waterneck was rotted on the inside and this was the T-Stat.. You tell me this had anti-freeze in it?? I think what was drained out is exactly what the car was shipped with.
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And you think that build up was bad? You should see what came out of the radiator/cooling system when it was flushed.
Excellent seal on the fuel neck.. And I love the vent line.. Who needs it.
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Do I really need to continue? You get the point..
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Quote from: Drache on November 17, 2008, 06:10:40 PM
I think it's officially come down to sickdawg's turn to state opinions! :shruggy:
I just emailed him a link to the thread again and asked him to come in.
I just went through BK's rebuttal from this afternoon, and I'm not going to go through it line by line, because it's PAST the point of humor.
I AM wondering, though, who painted the backside of the Dynamat?? I peeled this back and it's all painted black in the areas where it's applied (just as it is in the photos while the car's still in your shop). Here's a shot of the painted Dynamat and the awesome wiring harness on the firewall.
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And this shot :eek2: , I'm wondering if you kept the brush that you applied the rubber roofing with?? You may not be able to see it in this shot, but they had the reverse lights ground out on the gas tank.
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Luckily that's all cut out of the car by now..
And last, Mr BK, do you not know how to physically tell the difference between a STOCK stall converter and a 3500 stall converter??
I loved the electric choke that was installed on my Demon.. Way to go jumping the power off my voltage regulator.. That's a great power source.
Argh, I dispise mudded over rear valance corners..... :flame:
You know something jb666, I'm sick of you complaining about the car and the shop that did the work. :nana: They only got $20,000 for labor and $25,000 for parts so what do you expect. "just kidding" :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: I bet the tires are nice, You didn't tell us about those. :scratchchin: I'm sure that the seatbelts are nice too. :scratchchin: :scared: Oh crap, now what will you do without BK's help ? :smilielol: We all know what you are going to do because of their help. :smilielol: Hang in there brother. :cheers: P.S. Thank's to CB I have a car I can send you parts from. :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: Chuck.................
Quote from: skip68 on November 17, 2008, 06:34:43 PM
You know something jb666, I'm sick of you complaining about the car and the shop that did the work. :nana: They only got $20,000 for labor and $25,000 for parts so what do you expect. "just kidding" :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: I bet the tires are nice, You didn't tell us about those. :scratchchin: I'm sure that the seatbelts are nice too. :scratchchin: :scared: Oh crap, now what will you do without BK's help ? :smilielol: We all know what you are going to do because of their help. :smilielol: Hang in there brother. :cheers: P.S. Thank's to CB I have a car I can send you parts from. :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: Chuck.................
:lol: :lol:He'll appreciate that!!!!!!!!
I'm not sure what I'll do without BK's help. Wait.. BK's "help" is what got me into this in the first place :brickwall:
OK, I have to weigh in on this. I see this guy saying that a $70k job isn't going to get a car restored. WTF? I know a guy here in Indiana, of all places, that works at a body shop, albeit not a "restoration shop" and he does excellent work. How good you ask, well he restored a car in his "body shop", once again not a "restoration shop." He took that car a Corvette or something like that, it was a Chevy so I didn't care too much, anyway took it to the Nationals, in Pitt. PA. (I think it was PA) and won best of show. I saw the trophy, saw the plaque. Just for SaGs I had him look at my car, as a driver to be repaired and to do it at the level of the Corvette. To paint and all body work, $10k, for a driver "restore", and for a high level job that might have won a best of show in a major even somewhere, $30K. So where in the hell would that other $40k go, where? If you have that much overhead in the 4th largest city in the US, move. My word, I could build two show winners for the price of his one, and have $10k left over. :Twocents:
OMG. After seeing those pictures I have to say (and I can't believe I'm saying this) that HLPAG does cleaner work.
I thought maybe they had 70 grand in it because they spent 30 grand on a hlpag car then added a 20 thousand dollar hemi drivetrain, and charged 20 grand to put it in....sound about right? :scratchchin:
Dude.
Quote from: BKautomotive on November 17, 2008, 04:47:21 PM
Rotted frame rails covered in fiberglass.. Check out the "patches" and the holes. In person this rail is disgusting.
-There were rust spots in teh rails, almost completely confined to the rear, behind the axle and under the trunk. you can even see in the photos its mostly complete, with holes dotting teh rails. They were blasted to remove exterior rust, glassed over to make them appear smoother and undercoated. the trunk rails are not structural to the car. 99% of the weight and structure supporting i done between the front and rear wheels. this could have been done alot better, but as it has little importance to the track or structure of the car this is an area where money was saved.
Wow :rotz:
Quote from: 69bronzeT5 on November 17, 2008, 06:49:52 PM
Quote from: BKautomotive on November 17, 2008, 04:47:21 PM
Rotted frame rails covered in fiberglass.. Check out the "patches" and the holes. In person this rail is disgusting.
-There were rust spots in teh rails, almost completely confined to the rear, behind the axle and under the trunk. you can even see in the photos its mostly complete, with holes dotting teh rails. They were blasted to remove exterior rust, glassed over to make them appear smoother and undercoated. the trunk rails are not structural to the car. 99% of the weight and structure supporting i done between the front and rear wheels. this could have been done alot better, but as it has little importance to the track or structure of the car this is an area where money was saved.
Wow :rotz:
Did he just say the frame rails are not structural to the car? Always thought they were pretty damned important.
Quote from: charger01 on November 17, 2008, 06:51:23 PM
Quote from: 69bronzeT5 on November 17, 2008, 06:49:52 PM
Quote from: BKautomotive on November 17, 2008, 04:47:21 PM
Rotted frame rails covered in fiberglass.. Check out the "patches" and the holes. In person this rail is disgusting.
-There were rust spots in teh rails, almost completely confined to the rear, behind the axle and under the trunk. you can even see in the photos its mostly complete, with holes dotting teh rails. They were blasted to remove exterior rust, glassed over to make them appear smoother and undercoated. the trunk rails are not structural to the car. 99% of the weight and structure supporting i done between the front and rear wheels. this could have been done alot better, but as it has little importance to the track or structure of the car this is an area where money was saved.
Wow :rotz:
Did he just say the frame rails are not structural to the car? Always thought they were pretty damned important.
You've seen the pictures, do they look SMOOTH to you? :rofl: :rofl:
Quote from: charger01 on November 17, 2008, 06:51:23 PM
Quote from: 69bronzeT5 on November 17, 2008, 06:49:52 PM
Quote from: BKautomotive on November 17, 2008, 04:47:21 PM
Rotted frame rails covered in fiberglass.. Check out the "patches" and the holes. In person this rail is disgusting.
-There were rust spots in teh rails, almost completely confined to the rear, behind the axle and under the trunk. you can even see in the photos its mostly complete, with holes dotting teh rails. They were blasted to remove exterior rust, glassed over to make them appear smoother and undercoated. the trunk rails are not structural to the car. 99% of the weight and structure supporting i done between the front and rear wheels. this could have been done alot better, but as it has little importance to the track or structure of the car this is an area where money was saved.
Wow :rotz:
Did he just say the frame rails are not structural to the car? Always thought they were pretty damned important.
That's the reason why I DON'T drive my car. Mine are rusty, I want them fixed PROPERLY. :Twocents:
Quote from: 69bronzeT5 on November 17, 2008, 06:49:52 PM
Quote from: BKautomotive on November 17, 2008, 04:47:21 PM
Rotted frame rails covered in fiberglass.. Check out the "patches" and the holes. In person this rail is disgusting.
-There were rust spots in teh rails, almost completely confined to the rear, behind the axle and under the trunk. you can even see in the photos its mostly complete, with holes dotting teh rails. They were blasted to remove exterior rust, glassed over to make them appear smoother and undercoated. the trunk rails are not structural to the car. 99% of the weight and structure supporting i done between the front and rear wheels. this could have been done alot better, but as it has little importance to the track or structure of the car this is an area where money was saved.
Wow :rotz:
You know, I reread that part of BK's post twice, to see if I misunderstood what he wrote. How can anyone, especially one claiming to know auto restoration, say that the rear frame rails are "not structural parts" of the vehicle? :shruggy: Aside from knowing the basics of what holds a car together, I've seen many cars with rotted out frame rails that sat low in the back. When you open the trunk, the spring perches are on the underside of the quarter panel tops. Maybe I can remove my frame rails to save some weaight & get better MPG. :lol:
Like I stated before, I think this business of fiberglass on rotted frame rails needs some more looking into. :scratchchin: And I mean looked into by the laws. I'm going to do some searching. :2thumbs:
Quote from: skip68 on November 17, 2008, 07:09:33 PM
Like I stated before, I think this business of fiberglass on rotted frame rails needs some more looking into. :scratchchin: And I mean looked into by the laws. I'm going to do some searching. :2thumbs:
I appreciate it, thank you.
In fact, I appreciate the support from everyone here. I know I f'd up here, but why can't they admit that and make this right?? I've offered to put them directly in contact with the shop doing my work. I'll back off completely, and they can work something out.. If they flat out refuse to do that, then they truly DO NOT CARE about the customer after the sale...
I think their workmanship proves without a doubt that they don't care about the customer. As for admitting it, that isn't how criminals work and chances are good, if they stole from sickdawg, they've stolen from a lot of other people too. Admitting it to one means a collapse of their entire scam.
QuoteTheir "custom subframe connectors" were an absolute joke. They may as well have used exhaust tubing.. The welds on the end were something your 10 year old son could do with a blindfold on.
-thats actually funny. Anyone who knows anything about subframes or mopars knows that these are the best subframes you can buy or build. they were welded by a frame and structureal designer/fabricator that has built things for indy cars. they were correct thick wall tube and correctly welded. Since the major welding was done in this car and it was off the twirler it was made to be a bolt-on connector. Just to be safe, it was welded on by the installer, so I can see it being rough welds where it attatched to the car, but thats because it was already bolted and the welding didnt need to be perfect.
No...THESE are the best subframes you can build.....
I think there are 2 lessons that can be learned here....
1st lesson is DON'T EVER do work for someone who you would feel would damage your reputation...build a thousand bridges and you're a bridge builder...have one collapse and it doesn't matter how well the 999 others are built....Just my :Twocents: Not trying to bust your balls....
2nd lesson is BUYER BEWARE! Make sure you shop around before dropping the coin....I know very well from past experience that you need to buy with your HEAD, not your heart.....
Now...from my 30 plus years of building Muscle cars.....Mopar in particular.....
1. shop...I just had a 65 Plymouth stripped and sandblasted for 600.00. Yes that's right 600.00. If I came to you and asked for my car to be blasted and you told me 15,000. buck I would have laughed at you...sorry dude, that's so far off it's on the next planet.
2. buyer.....ALWAYS inspect the KNOWN rust areas on a car very carefully...if you don't know what they are then find out and for God's sake ALWAYS take someone knowledgeable with you.....You NEED a second opinion.....
I paid 300.00 bucks for those frame ties.....custom made, welded on the car and painted......complete with custom driveshaft loop...
How often do you eat off the bottom of that thing Doug?
Bottomline, BK put his badge on the car to certify it was restored by him and his shop. To me, that represents what you want people to think of your work and reputation.
Come on BK, for $50K the car should be more than it is in these pictures. In addition, you do this for a living, you should be an expert, so the thing that takes me three hours to get done, you and your shop should be able to get it done in 1/2 hour (I'm slow and lack skills) so that $50K should have gone even further.
+ you do this for a living, why are you buying rusted hulls for the blank canvass. Don't forget, we all kinda know the values of these cars and $20K for the rusted hull depicted in these pics seems like a lot of money spent on a bad hull. Part of the job would be to find a nice shell to start your build from.....
As stated, I think the buyer from BK and seller to 666 needs to clarify what the car looked like when he got it!
Quote from: Ghoste on November 17, 2008, 07:19:26 PM
How often do you eat off the bottom of that thing Doug?
SERIOUSLY!! That is amazing!!!!!!!!!!!
And , for the record, it's just like the rail setup on mine (with the exception of the painted finish). THAT is support!!! :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
Quote from: jb666 on November 17, 2008, 07:12:42 PM
If they flat out refuse to do that, then they truly DO NOT CARE about the customer after the sale...
I truly feel bad for you and your situation, and I am completely blown away by the replies from the resto shop. However, you technically are not the "customer" in this situation. The guy you bought the car from is the person who wrote the check and approved the work. At this point the resto shop (if you want to call it that) can claim that everything you are bringing to the table was done after it left their shop. Yes, it sucks, and hopefully I am wrong and something can be done about it.
I still think the previous owner had to of known about these problems. It's cool to see you take responsibility about not checking the car out, but the seller could have been a little more honest about it. IMO, I think you are giving the guy you bought the car from way more leniency then he deserves.
is that your track car? NICE connectors man. :drool5:
Quote from: 68charger383 on November 17, 2008, 07:20:50 PM
Bottomline, BK put his badge on the car to certify it was restored by him and his shop. To me, that represents what you want people to think of your work and reputation.
Come on BK, for $50K the car should be more than it is in these pictures. In addition, you do this for a living, you should be an expert, so the thing that takes me three hours to get done, you and your shop should be able to get it done in 1/2 hour (I'm slow and lack skills) so that $50K should have gone even further.
+ you do this for a living, why are you buying rusted hulls for the blank canvass, especially at $20K for the rusted hull. Part of the job would be to find a nice shell to start your build from.....
As stated, I think the buyer from BK and seller to 666 needs to clarify what the car looked like when he got it!
This is all I have to go by.. The beginning of the $15k rotisserie special.
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doesnt ART offer a complete body in white for right around 15K?
Quote from: Chris G. on November 17, 2008, 07:22:26 PM
Quote from: jb666 on November 17, 2008, 07:12:42 PM
If they flat out refuse to do that, then they truly DO NOT CARE about the customer after the sale...
I truly feel bad for you and your situation, and I am completely blown away by the replies from the resto shop. However, you technically are not the "customer" in this situation. The guy you bought the car from is the person who wrote the check and approved the work. At this point the resto shop (if you want to call it that) can claim that everything you are bringing to the table was done after it left their shop. Yes, it sucks, and hopefully I am wrong and something can be done about it.
I still think the previous owner had to of known about these problems. It's cool to see you take responsibility about not checking the car out, but the seller could have been a little more honest about it. IMO, I think you are giving the guy you bought the car from way more leniency then he deserves.
I'm just trying to be fair here and go right to the source. Sure, things could have been brought to the surface. I was told in an email that the car has "small imperfections" , but that it was an "overall very solid and show worthy car". I guess somewhere there's a show where midget blind trolls are walking around.. Then again, even they can feel...
Quote from: Ghoste on November 17, 2008, 07:19:26 PM
How often do you eat off the bottom of that thing Doug?
Dude...that's how it looks after about 20,000 street miles...and for the record I blasted and painted that myself....on a home made jig, outside in a backyard on the hottest day in summer...(end of July)....So I KNOW how much work is needed......
TWENTY THOUSAND!!?? I figured it was after driving but I had no idea. That is the definition of driven and sanitary. Congratulations to you sir!
I'm taking some advice here and have a web page partially set up. I'll build a small video this week/weekend that can be linked on YouTube and who knows, I just might have to recruit some more help spreading this around... :cheers:
Too bad we all couldn't see the invoice. I don't see much on the car that is new. Interior and some brake parts. You said the suspension was shot so no money there. As far as sheet metal any old hood is good. I just wonder where all the new parts come into play? I noticed on some threads back when Brian was selling the car he talked about HLPG and never said anything GOOD or BAD about BK but suggested a couple of other resto shops though? Yeah he had to know even if he didn't work on cars.
Quote from: The70RT on November 17, 2008, 07:54:14 PM
Too bad we all couldn't see the invoice. I don't see much on the car that is new. Interior and some brake parts. You said the suspension was shot so no money there. As far as sheet metal any old hood is good. I just wonder where all the new parts come into play? I noticed on some threads back when Brian was selling the car he talked about LPG and never said anything GOOD or BAD about BK but suggested a couple of other resto shops though? Yeah he had to know even if he didn't work on cars.
The hood is original. It had rust under the hood and they painted right over it.. The front fenders are original. They've got small rot holes under the hood in the corners (up front). It's all coming off.
PM sent :cheers:
question:
who gained the most from this entire chain of events?
Quote from: SFRT on November 17, 2008, 08:00:56 PM
question:
who gained the most from this entire chain of events?
BK, for sure.. The guy I bought it from lost his shirt when I bought it from him. I lost my pants (and my virginity) when I bought it from him... It's a vicious cycle.
I have tried to stay neutral in this but this is the biggest crock of shit I have heard in a long time.....I cant believe you actually typed this without shorting out your keyboard from all the shit spewing out of your fingertips :rotz:
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Let's look at this picture.. All looks good, right?? WRONG. The steering column had no guts and swiveled around about 6" in a circle. It wasn't bolted to the firewall and had one bolt barely holding it under the dash. The center console has nothing securing it to the floor. The shifter isn't bolted down and there's no wires running to the lights in the console.. In fact, there are no interior lights PERIOD. They buried the dome light when they did the headliner..
-I know it didnt leave that way. the column was bolted down. I cant say that the column was in mint shape, it was whatever came with the car, but it was bolted in.And no, we don't install interior lights in the base-models. And the dome light in a general lee is a bad idea. the heat radiates off the rollbar and makes for a very hot rollbar, and at best melts the padding, at worst burns someone. In almost all cases, it melts the new lens. We havent put domelights in those for 8 years. And unless the car was a console shift, I don't run wiring for the console lights, they are there fr looks only on base-models.
Please put the crack pipe down...drugs are bad
Domelights dont get that hot. If they dont "catch the headliner on fire" then they sure in hell wont make the rollbar really hot. :slap:
Quote from: Just 6T9 CHGR on November 17, 2008, 08:04:11 PM
I have tried to stay neutral in this but this is the biggest crock of shit I have heard in a long time.....I cant believe you actually typed this without shorting out your keyboard from all the shit spewing out of your fingertips :rotz:
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Let's look at this picture.. All looks good, right?? WRONG. The steering column had no guts and swiveled around about 6" in a circle. It wasn't bolted to the firewall and had one bolt barely holding it under the dash. The center console has nothing securing it to the floor. The shifter isn't bolted down and there's no wires running to the lights in the console.. In fact, there are no interior lights PERIOD. They buried the dome light when they did the headliner..
-I know it didnt leave that way. the column was bolted down. I cant say that the column was in mint shape, it was whatever came with the car, but it was bolted in.And no, we don't install interior lights in the base-models. And the dome light in a general lee is a bad idea. the heat radiates off the rollbar and makes for a very hot rollbar, and at best melts the padding, at worst burns someone. In almost all cases, it melts the new lens. We havent put domelights in those for 8 years. And unless the car was a console shift, I don't run wiring for the console lights, they are there fr looks only on base-models.
Please put the crack pipe down...drugs are bad
Yes, those dome lights can be used as a quick tanning device.. Boy do those things give off some mega heat (http://domesticmisfits.net/forums/images/smilies/pigfly.gif)
Granted leave your dome light on for a couple hours and try to touch it! Sure they are hot but only if they are LEFT ON for hours upon hours but they certainly don't throw enough heat to heat up a rollbar!
If I didn't know any better I'd almost believe some 14 year old kid (no offense to the youngins on the forums) who didn't know anything about cars wrote this! BK's replies remind me of fighting over firearms with a 12 year old! He knew EVERYTHING because his video games taught him! Finally I handed him my .308 Norma Magnum and told him to take a shot... he hasn't picked up a gun since! Damn that was one NASTY bruise....
As for the website if you need help building one let me know!
Quote from: SFRT on November 17, 2008, 07:25:11 PM
doesnt ART offer a complete body in white for right around 15K?
That would be US Car Tool. The new price is $17,500 I believe.
If the rear frame rails are not structural then why tie the subframe connectors (and torque boxes) to them? I've seen plenty of rusty ones (I'm in Ohio) and I can honestly say that a car will hold up with rusty trunk pans, trunk extensions, and quarters as long as the rails and cross members are good but the whole thing collapses if the rails are shot and all those other pieces are still ok. It's a unibody car - everything is dependent on everything else.
I understand the problems with dealing with discrepancies between the customer's expectations and budget. There's a point where you just have to cut your losses rather than sticking your name on a product. At the bare minimum this point is reached when safety is compromised. Here are some cost juggling ideas that may have helped:
* Dynamat is expensive so perhaps that step could have been skipped in favor of a little extra welding work. I bet the it cost more than a rear cross member.
* ART makes frame caps that, while somewhat ugly, would have produced a solid foundation. The cost could have been offset from less "fabrication" of patches.
* The braces in the engine compartment are unnecessary and not true to a GL any way. Use the installation/welding time to put in some trunk extensions.
* Dana 60? How about all new wiring harnesses?
* The $600 "Hemi" K-frame is what? A regular K-frame with Shumacher mounts works fine. Perhaps, some seat foam would have been a better choice?
* Battery relocation kits include grommets. Free.
Other points to note...
* I can't believe you covered holes in the firewall to avoid fumes but left the gaping holes in the trunk extensions (by the exhaust outlets).
* Who else had you tried to sell the car to? Assuming that's the rusty shell (ie pre-movie transformation). I can't image that car cost more than $5k even at the height of the recent boom.
* The pictures on the web site intentionally avoid showing any detail of the sub-par work. I can understand this from a marketing perspective but, surely, there are better cars to use for showcasing your work.
As for the prices, $50k isn't a budget car or "cheap". Many of the members here would find a quote of $50-75k laughable for a bare-minimum driver (even with $25k thrown in for a Hemi). I'd be willing to bet that many members here could do a better job in their home garages as complete amateurs. I know I'd tackle mine in a heartbeat if that's an indication of what $50k+ would buy me. I think the "average" body/restoration shop charges around $45 per hour depending on the area of the country (I have paid as little as $20 - at a real shop, not a guy working on the side). It may be high certain areas but customers these days shop by price.
As I mentioned before, there are many levels of "restoration" and prices range all over the board. However, there are several companies who make accurate GL replicas for much less - and all the important stuff gets replaced. At the other end of the spectrum, XV sells cars for roughly $200k - not $250k - and that's with the full Level 2 treatment and a reworked 6.1 Hemi. Of course, the body is perfect and the interior is completely custom with leather and piles of new electronic gizmos as well (like the display in the rear view mirror). Those cars are better than restorations (depending on your point of view) and a large portion of the cost is the custom parts. All the expensive show cars/restorations are known for one common theme - attention to detail. The details are what eats up the clock and why a 2nd place car can be half as expensive as the winner.
After seeing that thermostat I wouldn't hesitate to go through that engine.
Troy
Dang, that's a shame when a good car gets worked over like that - not to mention the customer. No shame.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v502/OldMoparz/Foil%20Club/DomeLightDisaster.jpg)
Quote from: Old Moparz on November 17, 2008, 08:54:33 PM
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:smilielol:
I removed the images of the "BK BADGES" at Sickdawg's request. Apparently since this thread went up he's been getting pranked on his home phone and he thinks it's to do with this.. It had his name on the tag, so I agreed to pull it.
I really don't want him to be harassed -- I think we know who's responsible. Maybe the heat from the dome lights they installed in the past did some long term brain damage??
lol. I better make sure im wearing my welding mask next time I fire up my 20KV domelight.
If the previous owner paid $70k & let it go for half that at $35k only a year or 2 after having it or buying it then he must of know of the problems to do such a thing. Seems to me BK Should owe Brian $35k for his loss. Also BK Said they paid $25k for body shell & 20k in Parts. Why would anybody spend $25,000 on a rust bucket basket case. Add the $20k parts & what do you have? A $45,000 rust bucket peice of crap & all this still minus Motor or anykind of Drivetrain. What a joke. :slap:
Quote from: Old Moparz on November 17, 2008, 08:54:33 PM
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:smilielol: :smilielol:
That's brilliant!
Quote from: hemi-hampton on November 17, 2008, 09:19:24 PM
If the previous owner paid $70k & let it go for half that at $35k only a year or 2 after having it or buying it then he must of know of the problems to do such a thing. Seems to me BK Should owe Brian $35k for his loss. Also BK Said they paid $25k for body shell & 20k in Parts. Why would anybody spend $25,000 on a rust bucket basket case. Add the $20k parts & what do you have? A $45,000 rust bucket peice of crap & all this still minus Motor or anykind of Drivetrain. What a joke. :slap:
Exactly, and in I come, willing and able to buy the thing without a care in the world.. It's a big circle of fun.
I have to say, the car is very clean from the middle of the rear frame rails forward. Now that those hack sub-frame connectors are history, I don't foresee any problems with the rest of the undercarriage. It checked out fine. It was the back end of the car that was really hurting..
With the exception of some MAJOR hack weld work on the floor pan, they are fine.I'll have more pictures of those things later this week.
Quote from: Just 6T9 CHGR on November 17, 2008, 08:04:11 PM
I have tried to stay neutral in this but this is the biggest crock of shit I have heard in a long time.....I cant believe you actually typed this without shorting out your keyboard from all the shit spewing out of your fingertips :rotz:
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Let's look at this picture.. All looks good, right?? WRONG. The steering column had no guts and swiveled around about 6" in a circle. It wasn't bolted to the firewall and had one bolt barely holding it under the dash. The center console has nothing securing it to the floor. The shifter isn't bolted down and there's no wires running to the lights in the console.. In fact, there are no interior lights PERIOD. They buried the dome light when they did the headliner..
-I know it didnt leave that way. the column was bolted down. I cant say that the column was in mint shape, it was whatever came with the car, but it was bolted in.And no, we don't install interior lights in the base-models. And the dome light in a general lee is a bad idea. the heat radiates off the rollbar and makes for a very hot rollbar, and at best melts the padding, at worst burns someone. In almost all cases, it melts the new lens. We havent put domelights in those for 8 years. And unless the car was a console shift, I don't run wiring for the console lights, they are there fr looks only on base-models.
Please put the crack pipe down...drugs are bad
Ah ya beat me to it.
I was staying out of this, but that made me really want to pipe up and say something.
My first thought: how hot does a dome light get? Even then, how long does your dome light stay on? ???
Oh and the whole fibre glass filler over the frame rails makes me wonder if I know the guy that did the work. :rotz:
:popcrn: :popcrn: Damn, this is better than watching Dr. Phil.
So from what BK is saying he has all the new inexperienced guys work on the cars that the owners don't have an unlimited budget. Maybe a little supervision might be in order next time.
Did I read that right? 15 THOUSAND to blast the shell :o
Quote from: NHCharger on November 17, 2008, 09:35:37 PM
:popcrn: :popcrn: Damn, this is better than watching Dr. Phil.
So from what BK is saying he has all the new inexperienced guys work on the cars that the owners don't have an unlimited budget. Maybe a little supervision might be in order next time.
Did I read that right? 15 THOUSAND to blast the shell :o
My thinking exactly! Inexperienced= Bad Job! IMO :Twocents: Do you smell that? Stinky to me! :shruggy: :slap: :lol:
Mrs.kip68 ;)
Quote from: jb666 on November 17, 2008, 09:25:36 PM
I have to say, the car is very clean from the middle of the rear frame rails forward. Now that those hack sub-frame connectors are history, I don't foresee any problems with the rest of the undercarriage. It checked out fine. It was the back end of the car that was really hurting..
With the exception of some MAJOR hack weld work on the floor pan, they are fine.I'll have more pictures of those things later this week.
I don't want to discourge you, but I would be shocked if once you had the motor pulled (which you should do) that you didn't find similar problems with the front frame rails and the transmission cross member. There are a lot spots you can't get to very easily to judge with the motor in there. At least based on the condition of the rest of the underbody it would seem not too surprising. Have you seen the entire floor pan exposed from the inside with all the carpeting and insulation removed?
Quote from: joflaig on November 17, 2008, 09:40:49 PM
Quote from: jb666 on November 17, 2008, 09:25:36 PM
I have to say, the car is very clean from the middle of the rear frame rails forward. Now that those hack sub-frame connectors are history, I don't foresee any problems with the rest of the undercarriage. It checked out fine. It was the back end of the car that was really hurting..
With the exception of some MAJOR hack weld work on the floor pan, they are fine.I'll have more pictures of those things later this week.
I don't want to discourge you, but I would be shocked if once you had the motor pulled (which you should do) that you didn't find similar problems with the front frame rails and the transmission cross member. There are a lot spots you can't get to very easily to judge with the motor in there. At least based on the condition of the rest of the underbody it would seem not too surprising. Have you seen the entire floor pan exposed from the inside with all the carpeting and insulation removed?
Yes, I've seen the entire floor pan from inside the car (with no carpet) and underneath. We've also checked out the K-frame and entire from frame section. That was done when we realized the suspension was falling out of the car.
I'm beginning to wonder if HLPAG is a franchised organization??
Quote from: jb666 on November 17, 2008, 09:43:22 PM
Quote from: joflaig on November 17, 2008, 09:40:49 PM
Quote from: jb666 on November 17, 2008, 09:25:36 PM
I have to say, the car is very clean from the middle of the rear frame rails forward. Now that those hack sub-frame connectors are history, I don't foresee any problems with the rest of the undercarriage. It checked out fine. It was the back end of the car that was really hurting..
With the exception of some MAJOR hack weld work on the floor pan, they are fine.I'll have more pictures of those things later this week.
I don't want to discourge you, but I would be shocked if once you had the motor pulled (which you should do) that you didn't find similar problems with the front frame rails and the transmission cross member. There are a lot spots you can't get to very easily to judge with the motor in there. At least based on the condition of the rest of the underbody it would seem not too surprising. Have you seen the entire floor pan exposed from the inside with all the carpeting and insulation removed?
Yes, I've seen the entire floor pan from inside the car (with no carpet) and underneath. We've also checked out the K-frame and entire from frame section. That was done when we realized the suspension was falling out of the car.
I'm beginning to wonder if HLPAG is a franchised organization??
As I mentioned I went through something similar as you, though as this is turning out -- sorry to say -- your situation is much worse than mine was. At any rate, I continually got my hopes up as the car was torn apart and time passed, but none the less new problems continued to be found (as you've seen yourself so far). You might not want to set yourself up with the expectation that the folks doing the work have really uncovered everything so far. It's truly amazing what can be hidden.
good lord what a sad story this is.. $50k without motor and tranny?? are you kidding me?? i could find a real 69 R/T SE in awful shape, pay for everything to get done to the body and interior etc, and not be NEAR $50k still needing a motor and transmission.. that is INSANE! so sad that someone padded their pockets at an unknowing owner's expense
trav
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Don't laugh at the dome light heat. It's a well known fact in the industry that the 66-67 Chargers with the dome lighting placed on sides of theinterior just past the rear window caused numerous horrible burns to nearly every passenger who sat in the back of those things. Each time the car went around the corner, rear seat passengers were in real and imminent danger of being scarred for life or possibly killed. In fact, the problem from the massive disfiguring burn problem is the reason that so few 67's ere built, it isn't that they couldn't sell them, Dodge just didn't want to make any more of the rolling electric napalm drops for fear the general public would eventually figure it out and sue them into bankruptcy. That was the entire reason for the redesign going into 1968 and moving the dome light to the center of the roof. The government would not allow them to eliminate it altogether for fear of people banging their shins in the dark and creating a nation of hobbling limp people. Not funny when you remember this was the era of the draft and the Vietnam War.
Now you know... the rest of the story.
Quote from: Ghoste on November 18, 2008, 05:01:02 AM
Don't laugh at the dome light heat.
:haha:
Sorry. I couldn't help it.
Not to beat the whole "anti-freeze" story, but I remembered something funny this morning...
The first week I had the car, I called the # on my BK Tags.. I told him I had bought the car and what we had discovered with it, up to that point. I explained the water situation and he said "We run all of our cars here, in Texas, with straight water, it's better for the motor. If you're in a cold climate you may want to change that".
Now they are saying it's a 50/50 mix.. :lol:Which is it?
BK continues to email me and tell me that I "blew my chances to have them fix it", that I could have "shipped my car to them to fix these problems". PLEASE, ::) , isn't their method of FIXING things what got me into this in the first place??
I wouldn't send a dead lawn mower to them to have them freshen it up, I have no confidence in their skills, and so far they've done nothing but defend their crap work. I have no place for them!!
This has to be one of the funniest quotes from a recent BK email:
Now every time I sit down I have one email from someone defending me and three others pointing out weird stuff from the forum. Who said a blast alone costs $15k? I said blasting adds $15k to the resto. Blasting alone here costs about $1500 to do a complete car. It is actually true, since I followed several cars through with and without blasting to be able to quote the difference. And who said i spent $20k on the car to start with? we spent around 4 I think. And I hate to say it, but you could cut the trunk off a charger and still have it run and drive fine.
Can these people make up their minds :eek2:
Quote from: skip68 on November 17, 2008, 10:11:24 PM
:scratchchin: Does Warner Bros. get the royalties from these guys? :shruggy: Did BK's get permission from W.B. :shruggy: ?
Does Burger King know BK is making their name look bad??
Its apparent that BK is a BS shop full of corner cutting tactics and slick lies but jb666 started this thread to warn people about the work they do which I think he succeeded in doing.
What bothers me when reading all this is the previous owner that sold jb666 the car must have known about alot of these problems, regardless if you never turn a wrench and are just a check book muscle car owner. You cant have a car and not notice the steering wheel is sloppy loose, the driveway or garage floor is wet from all the fluids leaking out, the gauges aren't working, etc...
It just makes me think that the previous owner got railed and figured he'll try and pawn this wreck off to someone else without addressing any of the issues with the car. Someone said he's a member here?
:rotz:
Quote from: 1BAD68 on November 18, 2008, 10:15:24 AM
Its apparent that BK is a BS shop full of corner cutting tactics and slick lies but jb666 started this thread to warn people about the work they do which I think he succeeded in doing.
What bothers me when reading all this is the previous owner that sold jb666 the car must have known about alot of these problems, regardless if you never turn a wrench and are just a check book muscle car owner. You cant have a car and not notice the steering wheel is sloppy loose, the driveway or garage floor is wet from all the fluids leaking out, the gauges aren't working, etc...
It just makes me think that the previous owner got railed and figured he'll try and pawn this wreck off to someone else without addressing any of the issues with the car. Someone said he's a member here?
:rotz:
Yes, he's a member here.. It's how I found out about the car (see my locked HLPAG thread on this forum).
I talked to the original owner last night, and his response concerns me. He said he's been getting harassing emails/phone calls and is changing his home phone # and dumping his current email address. This tells me he's tired of dealing with this issue, wants to put it to rest and will make it so that he CANT hear about it.. Which is obviously not a good sign. He was not a moron-- In fact, he was very nice in person, but he was definitely no mechanic.
With that said, did he know about these problems? I'd have to agree with you, there's no way he couldn't have, but his last email to me he said "I can't believe the car was as bad as those pictures in the forum"... Telling me 2 things..
1. He's here watching, and will not comment. WHY I have no idea, because there's no one here waiting to jump him.
2. He may have known about some of these issues and doesn't want to deal with it. He's got his $$, so there's nothing in it for him.. He doesn't HAVE to help me and knows I'm 10 hours from him.
So, besides passing the word around the net, creating videos on YouTube and making sure a web page gets circulated, there's not much I can do unless I pull the trigger and make this a legal issue. I WILL start researching past buyers of his cars though, because I'm SURE they have stories to tell.
I agree, Brian probably is a nice person. Too nice it seems if he let them screw him like they did. Maybe he paid with a credit card. It seems to some people it is not like forking over cash till it all comes to a head. Those invoices are hidiuos....200 bucks for tierod ends.....no mention of ball joints bushings etc. A very loosly put together list of parts to cover their ass. It also showed new springs? You said you had to buy new ones :-\
Quote from: The70RT on November 18, 2008, 10:35:00 AM
I agree, Brian probably is a nice person. Too nice it seems if he let them screw him like they did. Maybe he paid with a credit card. It seems to some people it is not like forking over cash till it all comes to a head. Those invoices are hidiuos....200 bucks for tierod ends.....no mention of ball joints bushings etc. A very loosly put together list of parts to cover their ass. It also showed new springs? You said you had to buy new ones :-\
Indeed I did. The springs were original & painted...
I find this sad and yet funny at how BKautomotive is handling this. :yesnod: :rotz: Mark my words, I think that Bkautomotive is going to be made an example of the last few years of HLPAG. :rotz: Keep all of your emails jb, all photo's and make copies of all of this and what they said. :yesnod: I have to say that this gentleman at Bk is dancing into an area that he IS NOT trained for and is doing just what I expect him to do. :icon_smile_big: Pride and emotion have no place in business. All he is doing is showing you how powerful he is and flexing his muscle. :eyes: And make sure you let him as this has importance down the road if you should choose to go there. :yesnod: Try not to get drawn into anymore talk with them. I think that you and Sickdawg need to become friendly combatant's and put all this together. :yesnod: I think you will find that this will be well worth pursuing in a different arena. :yesnod: I don't know you jb666, nor do I know Sickdawg or Bkautomotive but it is very clear that this shop (BK) has a storm brewing and he is not smart enough to see it. "VERY BAD BUSINESS" :rotz: This shows his level. :slap: I'm sure the fine folks at BKAutomotive will read this and I have to ask you is this worth it ? Do you really not see what's going on here ? Do you understand that this is bad for your company ? :shruggy: Chuck...........
wow you have a great story to tell , at a great cost
Quote from: moparstuart on November 18, 2008, 11:29:41 AM
wow you have a great story to tell , at a great cost
Maybe I'll call Oprah and see if she likes my story...
I can't get through to BK.. They are sticking to the story that (even though my car failed Mass state inspection for SAFETY problems) they did nothing wrong. It's all the "customers" fault for being cheap. He got what he paid for. I just can't swallow that theory. A car SHOULD NOT LEAVE A SHOP unsafe, period.
Man i tellya...
between 666's nightmare journey, Hplg stories, the red hemi charger (Bzaboydn?) dilemma and the blue car saga on aerocars it seems that the ratio of
good to horrible as far as taking your car to a 'resto shop' is Zero:100%.
does anyone have a good experience? I felt a little ghetto for doing my car on my own, with my patented 'non laser straight' spraycan finish but now, it seems I made the right choice.
has anyone had a GOOD resto shop experience that didnt cost 250 grand?
are general lee clones CURSED?
seriously..is there a solution for dudes that want a decent job done, but cannot do it themselves?
IS IT POSSIBLE TO DO A DECENT RESTO/RESTOMOD for a fair price anywhere?
is this a mopar thing? or are ford/gm 'restorers' just as crooked and scammy? what the hell happened to pride and the work ethic?
is it all just about the easy money?
shit bums me out, all these dudes should be doing burnouts and driving their rides not staring at a pile of parts and bills.
Quote from: SFRT on November 18, 2008, 12:32:59 PM
Man i tellya...
between 666's nightmare journey, Hplg stories, the red hemi charger (Bzaboydn?) dilemma and the blue car saga on aerocars it seems that the ratio of
good to horrible as far as taking your car to a 'resto shop' is Zero:100%.
does anyone have a good experience? I felt a little ghetto for doing my car on my own, with my patented 'non laser straight' spraycan finish but now, it seems I made the right choice.
has anyone had a GOOD resto shop experience that didnt cost 250 grand?
are general lee clones CURSED?
seriously..is there a solution for dudes that want a decent job done, but cannot do it themselves?
IS IT POSSIBLE TO DO A DECENT RESTO/RESTOMOD for a fair price anywhere?
is this a mopar thing? or are ford/gm 'restorers' just as crooked and scammy? what the hell happened to pride and the work ethic?
is it all just about the easy money?
shit bums me out, all these dudes should be doing burnouts and driving their rides not staring at a pile of parts and bills.
:2thumbs: :yesnod: :yesnod: :yesnod: :iagree: :iagree: :iagree:
GLs in particular are really prone to causing iffy buys. People come to the table motivated by nostalgia and a lot of emotions other than car buying. And scammers really know that orange paintjob pulls on a lot of heartstrings.
It happens with any old classic car, but GLs are a very extreme case of pulling in a lot of buyers from outside the world of experienced jaded Charger guys.
(Said with all due respect. It's no secret that I'm a really psycho GL fanboy myself.)
one resto problem people encounter is the shops heart is nt in it,some bloke who has absolutely no interest in american muscle whatsoever,will be working on your car,
its just not going to be right. :'(
:scratchchin: What would happen if the car got rearended ? Do you think the frame would crumble and allow the bumper to not do it's job and make the gas tank a danger ? :slap: And that part of the frame is not structure my ass. :flame: I'm on the phone on hold with a legal firm in Houston that deals with this kind of law as I type this. :naughty: :devil: :police: I'll get what I need and then send you a PM with the contact info and it's in your hands from there. At this point it sounds like YOU jb are not entitled to money but the shop may have some trouble. :2thumbs: Go figure. :smilielol: Chuck.............
Well, I just took the time to read every one of the posts in this thread. Something our friend from BK (Now known to me as "BULL KRAP Automotive")hasn't bothered to do and for good reason. This guy has a big BRASS set to think anyone here would buy into the BULL KRAP he's shoveling. To make excuses on this pile of dung is absurd. That car should have never left the shop. Period.
If the original buyer could not afford to do it right, he (BK) should have stuck to his guns and refused to do it. He says he was baggered into taking the job. MONEY was your motivation here and not reputation and now, you really believe that we are going to feel badly for pointing this out. I feel bad for the guy who bought it to begin with. You took advantage of someone who did not know what he was getting into. You took him hook line and sinker.
Spending 50-70K on a car is not what a regular person can do and to be able to have a chance to buy your dream car like he did was probably a once in a lifetime thing and you stole that and more from him. Having the Balls to try and state your case here is in itself amazing. There is NOTHING you can say to ever excuse you for putting out work like this. You have EARNED your new reputation and rest assured that the only way for you to redeem yourself would be to do the ONLY RIGHT thing and that would be to either pay back the repair costs of your shops STELLAR work or fix it yourself.
I for one wouldn't let you anywear near the car again and hense forth, I will only repeat this story over and over and point this thread out to anyone who ever mentions your shop (B ull K rapp Automotive) holding you up as a shining example of WHAT TO AVOID!!!!
This kind of thing only serves to add to a bad reputation and in business, reputation is EVERYTHING.
Your Business, Blows Chunks!!! :puke:
Quote from: 68RT4ME on November 18, 2008, 01:33:32 PM
Well, I just took the time to read every one of the posts in this thread. Something our friend from BK (Now known to me as "BULL KRAP Automotive")hasn't bothered to do and for good reason. This guy has a big BRASS set to think anyone here would buy into the BULL KRAP he's shoveling. To make excuses on this pile of dung is absurd. That car should have never left the shop. Period.
If the original buyer could not afford to do it right, he (BK) should have stuck to his guns and refused to do it. He says he was baggered into taking the job. MONEY was your motivation here and not reputation and now, you really believe that we are going to feel badly for pointing this out. I feel bad for the guy who bought it to begin with. You took advantage of someone who did not know what he was getting into. You took him hook line and sinker.
Spending 50-70K on a car is not what a regular person can do and to be able to have a chance to buy your dream car like he did was probably a once in a lifetime thing and you stole that and more from him. Having the Balls to try and state your case here is in itself amazing. There is NOTHING you can say to ever excuse you for putting out work like this. You have EARNED your new reputation and rest assured that the only way for you to redeem yourself would be to do the ONLY RIGHT thing and that would be to either pay back the repair costs of your shops STELLAR work or fix it yourself.
I for one wouldn't let you anywear near the car again and hense forth, I will only repeat this story over and over and point this thread out to anyone who ever mentions your shop (B ull K rapp Automotive) holding you up as a shining example of WHAT TO AVOID!!!!
This kind of thing only serves to add to a bad reputation and in business, reputation is EVERYTHING.
Your Business, Blows Chunks!!! :puke:
I couldn't agree more, and if this is not resolved I will make certain that the world knows. People will be running TO HLPAG to get a quality job..
Ok, maybe they won't go that far..
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Quote from: SFRT on November 18, 2008, 12:32:59 PM
Man i tellya...
between 666's nightmare journey, Hplg stories, the red hemi charger (Bzaboydn?) dilemma and the blue car saga on aerocars it seems that the ratio of
good to horrible as far as taking your car to a 'resto shop' is Zero:100%.
does anyone have a good experience? I felt a little ghetto for doing my car on my own, with my patented 'non laser straight' spraycan finish but now, it seems I made the right choice.
has anyone had a GOOD resto shop experience that didnt cost 250 grand?
are general lee clones CURSED?
seriously..is there a solution for dudes that want a decent job done, but cannot do it themselves?
IS IT POSSIBLE TO DO A DECENT RESTO/RESTOMOD for a fair price anywhere?
is this a mopar thing? or are ford/gm 'restorers' just as crooked and scammy? what the hell happened to pride and the work ethic?
is it all just about the easy money?
shit bums me out, all these dudes should be doing burnouts and driving their rides not staring at a pile of parts and bills.
I think if you have most everything done and just want minor body work and paint your ok at a lot of places. I sent my Cutlass to a guy I didn't meet till he picked up my car. A friend of mine grew up with him. I took his word and he took my car and fixed all the rust....yeah it was pretty rusty. The vinyl top came off and the back window almost fell out. He welded in new metal and fixed some quarter rust and the front lower fenders had rust and the car had lots of small dings. He charged me 1,800 dollars and 800 was materials. The paint job is pretty nice. He did cut some corners but it was 4 years ago and it looks like the day I got it back from him with no bubling or lifting anywhere. It is at least a 7 in a scale of 1-10. I have to show people the defects because they are so minimal. It took him about 2-3 months. I may not use him on the Charger but the way everyone is getting screwed this deal is looking sweeter everyday. He will probably get me close to a show quality paint job for 3-4K easily if I let him to do it.
I hope so..my master plan has been to do all the mechanicals and metalwork myself, take it all down to bare metal myself ,primer it, then once all that is done try and find a place that can just do the 'glaze' and straighten up the lines on the sides of the car with some blocking, then paint it. I wish I had a more private garage, but since I share an open building with the harley shop, I cant do a lot of sanding in painting in there because of the dust,otherwise i would paint it myself.
I just went out to BK and offered them ONE MORE CHANCE to make this right. If not, I can promise you this will cost them more in lost business by 10X then my repairs are costing me.
:popcrn: Wagers, anyone?
judging by the BK guys posts, he is going to tell you to stuff it. I do not think your dealing with a brain surgeon here.
Quote from: SFRT on November 18, 2008, 02:10:42 PM
judging by the BK guys posts, he is going to tell you to stuff it. I do not think your dealing with a brain surgeon here.
I'm guessing the same thing. If he comes through, I've promised him that everyone will know it. If he doesn't (which is what I expect, since he's "done nothing wrong") then I've promised him everyone will know it.
:o Hey Guy's skip daddy has been busy. I need to talk to you jb666. I just got done talking to the Texas DOT and they have NO record of bkautomotive having a dealers lic. :smilielol: The guy gave me the place to file a complaint and said they could slap them with a $10,000 fine. :cheers: Now, they may be selling under someone else license or something we don't know yet but they will get to the bottom of it. I told the guy at Txdot that they run cars on ebay and advertise on the internet and he said they will dig into them. The cool thing is these guy's are going to have some splaining to do. :smilielol: I'll send you a PM right now. Chuck............
Quote from: skip68 on November 18, 2008, 02:33:22 PM
:o Hey Guy's skip daddy has been busy. I need to talk to you jb666. I just got done talking to the Texas DOT and they have NO record of bkautomotive having a dealers lic. :smilielol: The guy gave me the place to file a complaint and said they could slap them with a $10,000 fine. :cheers: Now, they may be selling under someone else license or something we don't know yet but they will get to the bottom of it. I told the guy at Txdot that they run cars on ebay and advertise on the internet and he said they will dig into them. The cool thing is these guy's are going to have some splaining to do. :smilielol: I'll send you a PM right now. Chuck............
:o :o :o :o Oh my God.. If that's the case, I'd say BK will be MIA soon. Excellent P.I. work there, Chuck!!!
Quote from: skip68 on November 18, 2008, 02:33:22 PM
:o Hey Guy's skip daddy has been busy. I need to talk to you jb666. I just got done talking to the Texas DOT and they have NO record of bkautomotive having a dealers lic. :smilielol: The guy gave me the place to file a complaint and said they could slap them with a $10,000 fine. :cheers: Now, they may be selling under someone else license or something we don't know yet but they will get to the bottom of it. I told the guy at Txdot that they run cars on ebay and advertise on the internet and he said they will dig into them. The cool thing is these guy's are going to have some splaining to do. :smilielol: I'll send you a PM right now. Chuck............
awesome :2thumbs:
Hate to pee on your parade, but he didn't purchase the car from BK.....he purchased the car from the person that hired BK to work on it......There may be some other license needed (ie body shop or car repair) but the dealer license is a non player..... :Twocents:
Quote from: Hemidoug on November 18, 2008, 03:23:31 PM
Hate to pee on your parade, but he didn't purchase the car from BK.....he purchased the car from the person that hired BK to work on it......There may be some other license needed (ie body shop or car repair) but the dealer license is a non player..... :Twocents:
I may have, yes, but Brian purchased the car directly through BK from beginning to end.
Quote from: Hemidoug on November 18, 2008, 03:23:31 PM
Hate to pee on your parade, but he didn't purchase the car from BK.....he purchased the car from the person that hired BK to work on it......There may be some other license needed (ie body shop or car repair) but the dealer license is a non player..... :Twocents:
what he is saying though is if they are currently selling cars with out the correct licenses the state of texas will come after them.
That's right. If you sell more than 3 cars a year ( correction, 5 cars a year ) or advertise like they have you need a dealers lic.... I've found that you can sell classic cars without a dealer lic. BUT, if you are restoring or building them from the ground up and making them custom (not factory) that's another story. This is one issue that will be looked into. :yesnod:
Quote from: moparstuart on November 18, 2008, 03:26:14 PM
Quote from: Hemidoug on November 18, 2008, 03:23:31 PM
Hate to pee on your parade, but he didn't purchase the car from BK.....he purchased the car from the person that hired BK to work on it......There may be some other license needed (ie body shop or car repair) but the dealer license is a non player..... :Twocents:
what he is saying though is if they are currently selling cars with out the correct licenses the state of texas will come after them.
OK...I understand now....To be honest with you, I think your beef is more with the person you bought it from then with the guy that did the work....just my :Twocents: and I do feel for you. The real beef with BK should be between him and them. I would talk to a lawyer if I were you.....it's going to end up being the law that sorts this all out....again just my :Twocents:.....
Quote from: Hemidoug on November 18, 2008, 04:46:45 PM
Quote from: moparstuart on November 18, 2008, 03:26:14 PM
Quote from: Hemidoug on November 18, 2008, 03:23:31 PM
Hate to pee on your parade, but he didn't purchase the car from BK.....he purchased the car from the person that hired BK to work on it......There may be some other license needed (ie body shop or car repair) but the dealer license is a non player..... :Twocents:
what he is saying though is if they are currently selling cars with out the correct licenses the state of texas will come after them.
OK...I understand now....To be honest with you, I think your beef is more with the person you bought it from then with the guy that did the work....just my :Twocents: and I do feel for you. The real beef with BK should be between him and them. I would talk to a lawyer if I were you.....it's going to end up being the law that sorts this all out....again just my :Twocents:.....
I tend to agree. I would say the only one that could legally go after BK would be Sickdawg. I wish you luck though.
Well, we'll see.. Right now Brian doesn't seem to want to get involved with this thread, for some reason. He has helped with other issues though (supplying information/invoices, etc..) so I'm glad about that.
I'm heading to the shop tonight.. I'll have some more pictures to post with today's find....
Thought I read BK say the body cost him $25k, Then I thought he said only $4k, Where'd that comment disappear to? How do you explain $50k into it (minus motor) if only paid $4k? Brian is the one that really got screwed, He took a $35,000 loss for it's poor condition. I dont think he did anything wrong (or to much) unless he tried to unload for the same $70k he paid. After you put another $35k into it you'll have the same solid nice car Brian should of had for $70k. :-\ Sorry, Not funny :pity: LEON.
Quote from: hemi-hampton on November 18, 2008, 07:37:04 PM
Thought I read BK say the body cost him $25k, Then I thought he said only $4k, Where'd that comment disappear to? How do you explain $50k into it (minus motor) if only paid $4k? Brian is the one that really got screwed, He took a $35,000 loss for it's poor condition. I dont think he did anything wrong (or to much) unless he tried to unload for the same $70k he paid. After you put another $35k into it you'll have the same solid nice car Brian should of had for $70k. :-\ Sorry, Not funny :pity: LEON.
That comment about the price of the "body" has disappeared! :shruggy:
I reread & seen the comment, comment was in e-mail to jb666. Rereading again looks like he may be saying $25k for car & over $20k parts. So, Posibbly it's the $4K+$21k parts=$25k. $20k in labor he sez. Thats $45k. Hemi supplied by brian so where did the other $25k go? Sounds like $25k profit in pocket. :scratchchin: :shruggy: LEON.
Quote from: BKautomotive on November 17, 2008, 04:47:40 PM
Reply Part 2
The torque converter.. I was told it was a 3500 stall. It's an stock converter.
-then someone lied to us and sold us the wrong convertor. That is something that should have been addressed and exchanged under warranty. It is supposed to be a 3500 stal convertor, thats what was paid for.
Bottom line: the car is what it is. It was never and is not a restored charger. he spent about $70k? Well out of that only around $20k went to us in labor. To build a complete car for that, it was a damn nice car. It did was it was supposed to. It looked good. I drove the thing at 65 MPH with no problems. It had bad points, but some are superficial and some didnt exist when it was here, don't know what to say about that.
I could make perfect General Lee replicas for $65k but no one would buy them and there would be another thread on here calling me a jerk for charging too much. I can't make everyone happy, but I do pretty good.
Bk Automotive LLC
www.bkauto.net
www.blackknightchoppers.net
713-996-9655
Well it sounds like he'll give you the 3500 converter.
Plus, to me your saying you could build a G/L to perfection for $65K, but no one would want one since you think everyone would say they cost to much if you charged $65K up front for the car.
In this case, you ala carte this guy for $70K and build him a less than perfect car because you claim he went cheap.....but he actually paid $5K more than you claim he needed to pay in order to get a perfect G/L from you! Well which is it??? Your being way to inconsistent here and your painting yourself into a corner :slap:
Make things right BK :2thumbs:
I think some of you would be surprised at what jb666 may be entitled to. Forgive me if I don't say much about the details. It's funny how something so small can take on a life of it's own. :yesnod: And it's also funny when you start digging into a company in question (if you know where to look) the things that just pop up. :smilielol: I think a good faith gesture of some parts sent to the new shop may make this go away. Don't you ? :yesnod: :rotz: I know what will happen. :eyes: The same thing that they all do. :rotz: I've seen this several times and I'm never surprised. But you never know, BK may surprise all of us. :shruggy: Hard lessons don't come cheap do they ? Just ask jb666 or sickdawg. :rotz: So why should you be any different ? Buckle up, you chose this ride. :coolgleamA: Skip68.................
Just to make a minor point about one of the principles being argued in this thread . . .
It's a dangerous game to start arguing that NO car should be allowed to leave a shop unsafe/unfinished/corners cut like that.
Start the argument there, and it's a short jump until people are concluding that no shop should be able to do anything on a car unless they deliver it as a finished/safe/running/legal car.
As a bunch of backyard restorers, we would not want the auto body industry's rules to drift any farther in that legal direction than they already are. Imagine starting with a rolling shell of a project car, and discovering that you can't get any shop in your state to install quarter skins & trunk pans unless you agree to pay the shop to take it all the way from that rolling shell to a running legal car again. In the eyes of the law, the perceived legality of this hypothetical "half-finished body job" might not be viewed so differently from the fraudulent ripoff this thread is about.
I'm not defending BK's con-job or anything. I'm just saying be careful about the implications of what you start wishing for.
Well, it appears that BK Auto has dropped off the radar. They didn't answer my email giving them one last chance, and we've seen nothing from them (here).
Tonight I went to the shop where they were preparing to remove the two rear quarters. The rear window glass is out and was quite the picture. The lip the rear window was supposed to sit in? Made of Bondo, and WHAT A MESS it was. No wonder water would pour in the back window when I washed the car.. That's all coming out anyways.
It's kind of funny, but BK blamed me for a slew of angry phone calls that he had to "explain" his business practices. I'm not the one that posted their # and said "Call me if you have any questions" (right here in this thread). DUH, what do you expect?? Don't blame me if people want to know why you do the things you do..
Chuck, I'll be talking to you soon, I just got back in from the shop and have to get a few things done. I can't wait to hear what you found out today.. I'll pass any/all info along to my lawyer, who has been legally retained at this point. I will give BK until the end of the week to make good, if not they're in for a few surprises. :yesnod:
Quote from: Mike DC (formerly miked) on November 18, 2008, 09:11:04 PM
Just to make a minor point about one of the principles being argued in this thread . . .
It's a dangerous game to start arguing that NO car should be allowed to leave a shop unsafe/unfinished/corners cut like that.
Start the argument there, and it's a short jump until people are concluding that no shop should be able to do anything on a car unless they deliver it as a finished/safe/running/legal car.
As a bunch of backyard restorers, we would not want the auto body industry's rules to drift any farther in that legal direction than they already are. Imagine starting with a rolling shell of a project car, and discovering that you can't get any shop in your state to install quarter skins & trunk pans unless you agree to pay the shop to take it all the way from that rolling shell to a running legal car again. In the eyes of the law, the perceived legality of this hypothetical "half-finished body job" might not be viewed so differently from the fraudulent ripoff this thread is about.
I'm not defending BK's con-job or anything. I'm just saying be careful about the implications of what you start wishing for.
While I agree with your statement, I disagree with the fact that any of it applies to BK. BK supplied a finished "ready driveable street car". Never was it mentioned (when they were covering their asses about it not being a Sema show car) that you:
1. Wouldn't pass your state inspection :shruggy:
2. Would have no brakes :shruggy:
3. Could possibly end up a fireball on the side of the road because the gas tank falls :shruggy:
4. Crashed off the road because the front end fell apart :shruggy:
5. Folded like an accordion because you had no rear frame rails :shruggy:
6. Burned your garage/house down because the wiring was toast :shruggy:
HAD THEY mentioned that in their contract/ads I might agree, but they were paid for a service and they cut some major corners..
We sat tonight and reviewed all of the "invoices" that BK supplied to Brian and had a great laugh.. "repop parts" for over $2500. What's a "REPOP part"??
I'm going to scan in, remove Brian's personal info, and post the invoices here in the next day or two so I'll let you guys decide.
There was a pile of EMAIL invoices that I can get up immediately. Here's one. I've made some notes beside the items.
-----Original Message-----
From: BK Automotive LLC <bkautomotive@sbcglobal.net>
To: ************
Sent: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 5:12 pm
Subject: suspension Invoice
All of the items are subject to roughly 2 weeks delivery.
This invoice does not include tax, shipping or labor which if applicable will be billed later.
Parts Invoice:
1) Subframe Connectors: $300.00 - If these were $300 they were $299 too much
2) 1 1/8 Front Sway Bar: 315.00
3) 3/4 Rear Sway Bar: $345.00
4) Doghouse Bracing: $215.00
5) 11/16 HD Tie Rod Kit: $210.00 - DEFINITELY NOT DONE. I kept ALL of the parts off the car. The Tie Rods & Ball Joints were HORRIBLE
6) HD Leaf Springs: $295.00 - NOT DONE
7) HD Lower Control Arms: $150.00 - NOT DONE
8) LCA Bushing R&R: $50.00 - R&R?? Painted and reinstalled
Parts Total: $1880.00
And another:
-----Original Message-----
From: BK Automotive LLC <bkautomotive@sbcglobal.net>
To: ***********
Sent: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 6:48 pm
Subject: Parts order
Brian,
We need to order some parts for the HEMI installation.
Please send a check for $3500. This should cover most of the parts order.
You will recieve an invoice when the parts arrive as usual, but for referance, this order includes:
-March Pulleys
-alternator - NOT A NEW PART
-power steering pump
-hood blinkers - BUTCHED into the hood.
-passenger mirror - Had to drill a few extra holes in the door skin for this one huh?
-HEMI mounts
-starter - Had to be changed 2 weeks after Brian got the car home.
-trans cooler - NOT INSTALLED.
-flex plate
-driveshaft
-yolk
-carburator
Alot of these things will be slowing us down, so the sooner we can get the order finished the faster the engine gets installed.
Thanks, and here are some photos for you as promised.
-
BK Automotive LLC
www.bkauto.net
713.996.9655
Oh my god, what a mess!!
Found this in their post that is strange:
QuoteGee, let's weld a couple of cool looking bars under the hood and then brag about how they'll take the torque of the Hemi.. When in reality they are welded to a thin pc of metal known as the FIREWALL. These things have about as much support as a 2X4 would holding up a bridge..
-They are not welded to the firewal. They are welded to a 1/4" steel plate reinforcement on the wirewall. And yes, they are very strong. It has been proven on the track with high hp and high $ cars. these braces are built by XV who produces $250k base model super-muscle cars. Its ridiculous to say they are anything but perfect.
These are the tubes that goes inside the engine compartment, over the shocktower, and down to the front frame rails, right?
They are NOT made by XV motorsports!! They are made by Magnum Force!! Kinda stupid to use XV as a proof of quality, when it is so easy to figure out that it is another company that makes the part :shruggy:
And this is one of my favorites:
1 Repop Part Firm Feel Steering Box $358.80 $358.80
The steering box in this was a bone stock sloppy as Hell box. This is definitely the box that came in this car in 1969 :lol:
Ok, well the real invoices will be up tomorrow, along with some new pictures.
Quote from: suntech on November 18, 2008, 09:27:21 PM
Oh my god, what a mess!!
Found this in their post that is strange:
QuoteGee, let's weld a couple of cool looking bars under the hood and then brag about how they'll take the torque of the Hemi.. When in reality they are welded to a thin pc of metal known as the FIREWALL. These things have about as much support as a 2X4 would holding up a bridge..
-They are not welded to the firewal. They are welded to a 1/4" steel plate reinforcement on the wirewall. And yes, they are very strong. It has been proven on the track with high hp and high $ cars. these braces are built by XV who produces $250k base model super-muscle cars. Its ridiculous to say they are anything but perfect.
These are the tubes that goes inside the engine compartment, over the shocktower, and down to the front frame rails, right?
They are NOT made by XV motorsports!! They are made by Magnum Force!! Kinda stupid to use XV as a proof of quality, when it is so easy to figure out that it is another company that makes the part :shruggy:
Yeah, let's weld these to a rotted firewall and claim they are strong.. In case you missed the pic, here are the bars.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_5676Large.jpg)
You can almost see them here.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_5669Large.jpg)
(http://www.bkauto.net/media/images/GLg39.gif)
That looks like the Magnum Force kit yes!!
http://www.magnumforce.com/store/detail.asp?ProductID=3896&CategoryID=54&BrandID=&Category=&SubCategory=&Search=&Page=
Retail 179usd on their website :shruggy:
I just pulled some paperwork out of my safe that I forgot I had. One was the "Project Analysis" that BK provided to Brian when the car was DONE.
Total Payments: $55,000 (Total investment: $59,000)
Base Model Price : $26,5000 (discounted from $35,000)
Additional Chargers : $32,544.60
Wait until you guys see this in it's entirety, it'll shoot holes in almost everything BK posted..
I agree with Mike DC that it is a minor point. But I think I'm on a different page than most. :yesnod: Jb666, I have no doubt that Brian was ripped and he needs to go after them with your help. :yesnod: Brian, If you are reading this I want you to know that if you are being honest you have nothing to worry about. This is not your fault. :rotz: You need to speak up here brother and fill in the blanks. :yesnod: Like it or not you are a key person in this. :yesnod: There is no reason for anyone here to be mad at you if you are a victim too. :cheers:
Wow, sorry to see such a mess ! :eek2:
FWIW, those bars that are welded to the firewall are useless....in order for them to be functional they would have to pass through the firewall and be tied into a full 10-12pt Roll Cage. :Twocents:
This "resto" company should be ashamed of themselves :icon_smile_blackeye:...unbelievable ! :coocoo:
Ron
Hmmm...original buyer could probably sue them under that state's consumer protection act...which in some states allows for treble damages and attorney's fees. Or the Federal Moss/Magnuson Act-Fitness for a particular purpose. The original owner not owning the vehicle would complicate things. A business that sells defective/dangerous vehicles usually doesn't stick around to long as they open themselves to lots of liability and that has nothing to do with the type of car they sell...just the vehicle as a vehicle made to drive down the road. Imagine the trouble they could get in if somebody got physically hurt from their form of restoration...
Quote from: jb666 on November 18, 2008, 09:40:42 PM
I just pulled some paperwork out of my safe that I forgot I had. One was the "Project Analysis" that BK provided to Brian when the car was DONE.
Total Payments: $55,000 (Total investment: $59,000)
Base Model Price : $26,5000 (discounted from $35,000)
Additional Chargers : $32,544.60
Wait until you guys see this in it's entirety, it'll shoot holes in almost everything BK posted..
With all the blasting they done you would have thought they would have blasted the engine bay. I bet they painted just as it is in the pic you posted. The k member is in and painted. Those front bars could be harpoons in an accident if they did a shoddy installation.
Being that Sickdawg owned the car for a period of time and enjoyed it, found no problems with it and then sold it believing it was a great car, he wouldn't have much of a case in court. This would look good for BK in court. jb666 discovered all the problems but didn't purchase it from BK so all he would have is a right to sue the seller he bought it from. I'm not a lawyer but something tells me that this is a loss for jb666.
I agree but if nothing else it is tarnishing BK's reputation. He could show some guilt least give him the new parts that the car should have had, or pay the bill for what's happining with the car now.
how long ago did brian or whoever take delivery of this car? has it been 6 months, 2 years??
this car was in brians hands for less than a month. He drove it once for five miles. I Dont think he enjoyed it. Now, what he knew is a mystery.... We may never know. All I have is everything he supplied me with.
So $59k for the Car, That still doesn't include the Hemi Brian supplied does it. So, Take the Hemi out of the equation & thats what you get for about $60,000 :o :eek2: :scratchchin:
yeah, that about sums it up. :lol:
wow :popcrn:
Quote from: jb666 on November 18, 2008, 11:20:41 PM
this car was in brians hands for less than a month. He drove it once for five miles. I Dont think he enjoyed it. Now, what he knew is a mystery.... We may never know. All I have is everything he supplied me with.
are you sure?
It looks like he got it in Dec. 07 and sold it in Aug or Sept 08
oof.
Can you post the warranty papers ? Can you post the original bill of sale from Bk to brian ?
looks like maybe sickdawg 'passed the savings' on to you....... :shruggy:
Warranty Papers, Thats funny :smilielol: :lol: :rofl: :smilielol: :lol: :rofl:
Quote from: hemi-hampton on November 19, 2008, 01:36:09 AM
Warranty Papers, Thats funny :smilielol: :lol: :rofl: :smilielol: :lol: :rofl:
I know it's funny but it did come with some kind of warranty and I'd like to see it. :smilielol:
What were the 32,000 dollars in additional Chargers used for if the base car was was 26.5k (discounted from 35,000)? It obviously wasn't parts.
I have been meaning to get to this thread for a while now.. Just too much going on here.. I made it about half way through page 2 and had to quit..
I am going through the same kinds of problems with people working on my house. Nowhere near the money you spent, but sick to my stomach on both accounts.
I think we should have an island where we could send these absolute hacks. Then once is is filled to capacity we could fire bomb the bastards.
I am not one to start anything violent, but I am damn tired of getting screwed and damn tired of others getting screwed too...
Glad to know you have the right guy on the job now.. I hope the car is still your dream. I understand about things not coming together and that can easily ruin a dream..
Quote from: Steve P. on November 19, 2008, 08:28:37 AM
I have been meaning to get to this thread for a while now.. Just too much going on here.. I made it about half way through page 2 and had to quit..
I am going through the same kinds of problems with people working on my house. Nowhere near the money you spent, but sick to my stomach on both accounts.
I think we should have an island where we could send these absolute hacks. Then once is is filled to capacity we could fire bomb the bastards.
I am not one to start anything violent, but I am damn tired of getting screwed and damn tired of others getting screwed too...
Glad to know you have the right guy on the job now.. I hope the car is still your dream. I understand about things not coming together and that can easily ruin a dream..
Hey,thanks!
I am actually relieved that all of this came to light like it did. I killed two birds with one stone.
1. We can expose everyone to BK/HLPAG#2
2. I can get this car done the RIGHT way and know that for the next 10 years I won't have a problem! This is being done right and will LAST.
So I'm very positive about this whole thing. I have the time to expose BK for the crooks that they are and I plan on pushing it as far as I can!!
I just acquired something that should help with my mission.. A couple of very nice domain names where my story can be told for anyone who would like to search..
More details later, stay tuned :yesnod:
This thread is incredible. :rotz:
Keep up the good fight.
It sounds like there's literally dozens of thousands of dollars of discrepancy between what BK charged for the car, versus what actually ended up being sunk into the final item.
the extra 32K was spent on R&D costs regarding the development of a fire proof roll bar......
Quote from: SFRT on November 19, 2008, 11:17:28 AM
the extra 32K was spent on R&D costs regarding the development of a fire proof roll bar......
:rofl: or a new TIG welder.
Here's some of the paperwork. More to come.
Sorry they are so big...
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You spend 55K on a resto but your suppose to check all the bolts to see if they are tight :-\
Quote from: The70RT on November 19, 2008, 01:54:28 PM
You spend 55K on a resto but your suppose to check all the bolts to see if they are tight :-\
Yeah, that to me right there screams "COVER ONE'S ASS". That way when someone calls and says "the whole car fell apart!!" , they can say "Apparently you didn't read your care & feeding manual!!"
:smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: I have never heard of any shop telling a customer to take the car to another shop and have them doulble check their work before they drive. :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: I'm surprised they didn't write it in crayon. :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: You must make extra sure that part of this is seen by all. :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol:
Huuummmmm.???? EXEMPT FROM SALES TAX??? (DUE TO OUT OF STATE SALE?) :shruggy: :shruggy: :shruggy: Seems fishy to me. :o I'd like to see the title and Bill of sale!!!! :yesnod:
The skip68's ;)
If the goods or part is shipped over state lines, I say shipped and not picked up in that state ( as far as shipping parts). You dont charger the sales tax. The car owner is responsible to pay that when they get it titled and licensed in the new state.
Wow,
very sorry to hear about all the troubles with this car. :eek2: I remember how excited you were when you first found it. It looked like such an awesome car on the website pictures.
I am just glad that you or no one else was hurt while driving it. Good luck getting it up to the quality standards of your other cars.
Thanks Cozmo!! And thank you for the help spreading the word around on different forums :cheers:
About the legal battle -
Try to nail down cases of specific things being not what was described on paper. That's your best bet.
Legally speaking, a $300 steering box that wasn't actually replaced might get you more headway in court than $3000 worth of unsafe work on the framerails. The steering box is a specific thing on paper. Its absence cannot possibly be written off as a difference of opinion or misunderstood intentions between you and BK.
Quote from: Mike DC (formerly miked) on November 19, 2008, 03:50:49 PM
About the legal battle -
Try to nail down cases of specific things being not what was described on paper. That's your best bet.
Legally speaking, a $300 steering box that wasn't actually replaced might get you more headway in court than $3000 worth of unsafe work on the framerails. The steering box is a specific thing on paper. Its absence cannot possibly be written off as a difference of opinion or misunderstood intentions between you and BK.
I agree completely, and my list is already 99% formed. Everything from fluids that were paid for to the suspension to the body is in there.. The list of things they DID vs the list of things they charged for is quite a bit off :lol:
Quote from: BKautomotive on November 17, 2008, 04:47:21 PM
Oh, sorry to but in again, but i have been getting more emails pointing out specific posts. I'll shed some light on some of these things that I thought were interesting or of note and then leave the board to the guys it belongs to.
I have put the posted notes first with responses in italic.
Rotted frame rails covered in fiberglass.. Check out the "patches" and the holes. In person this rail is disgusting.
-There were rust spots in teh rails, almost completely confined to the rear, behind the axle and under the trunk. you can even see in the photos its mostly complete, with holes dotting teh rails. They were blasted to remove exterior rust, glassed over to make them appear smoother and undercoated. the trunk rails are not structural to the car. 99% of the weight and structure supporting i done between the front and rear wheels. this could have been done alot better, but as it has little importance to the track or structure of the car this is an area where money was saved.
They put a new pan down , as you can see. They left rotted corners in the trunk and filled them in with fiberglass. You can (or COULD) see through to the ground from each corner of my trunk.
-we did major pan, but not trunk extensions. there were holes in the trunk extension, and by holes I mean a few that you could see through. Its in the trunk. If I have to explain this,.... I think the decision making is evident here.
Their "custom subframe connectors" were an absolute joke. They may as well have used exhaust tubing.. The welds on the end were something your 10 year old son could do with a blindfold on.
-thats actually funny. Anyone who knows anything about subframes or mopars knows that these are the best subframes you can buy or build. they were welded by a frame and structureal designer/fabricator that has built things for indy cars. they were correct thick wall tube and correctly welded. Since the major welding was done in this car and it was off the twirler it was made to be a bolt-on connector. Just to be safe, it was welded on by the installer, so I can see it being rough welds where it attatched to the car, but thats because it was already bolted and the welding didnt need to be perfect.
Gee, let's weld a couple of cool looking bars under the hood and then brag about how they'll take the torque of the Hemi.. When in reality they are welded to a thin pc of metal known as the FIREWALL. These things have about as much support as a 2X4 would holding up a bridge..
-They are not welded to the firewal. They are welded to a 1/4" steel plate reinforcement on the wirewall. And yes, they are very strong. It has been proven on the track with high hp and high $ cars. these braces are built by XV who produces $250k base model super-muscle cars. Its ridiculous to say they are anything but perfect.
See all the open holes on the firewall? Well, to rectify this situation, they simply took some Dynamat from the inside and spray painted it black in the engine bay.. Problem solved, RIGHT??
-right. since the buyer said he was installing an a/c and heater system once he got the car, so the firewall needed to be left alone. I put dynamat over the holes so I could test drive the car without choking to death on fumes. And nothing in the engine bay was spray painted.
Let's brag that all of the gauges have been sent out and rebuilt, yet we'll install them and NONE OF THEM will work. Sounds reasonable.
-Auto Instruments rebuilt the gauges, and have done mine and many others for many, many years. Its about $750 worth of work for the basic package and I have never had them not work. they worked when they were installed. I would look at the ratty wiring harness before I considered the gauges.
Let's do a 4 wheel disc conversion but leave all of the drum lines/hardware under the car. Who needs a T in the back, a little duck tape will hold the lines in fine.. The leaks? Eh , there nothing..The ENTIRE brake system had to be taken out.
-all i can say is there was no ducktape used, there was a T installed and there were NO brake leaks when it was here. If there were leaks, it would have been redone. And I don't recall any original brake hardware left in place from the drums. the front, rear and e-brake were all new, front to back.
The front end.. That's a good one. They took it apart, sandblasted items(ball joints, tie rods), painted them and reinstalled them. THEY WERE ALL TRASH. The front end virtually fell apart in our hands. The wheel bearings were toast, and the alignment was WAYYYY off.
-the car was blasted befoer the front end parts were put on and we do not reuse front end parts. everything on the front end was NAPA new. I'll bet he alignment was off, since it was never done. I didnt do an alignment on that car and advised the buyer it needed to be done if he wasnt going to have it done here.
Quoting to save....
Quote from: BKautomotive on November 17, 2008, 04:47:40 PM
Reply Part 2
Let's look at this picture.. All looks good, right?? WRONG. The steering column had no guts and swiveled around about 6" in a circle. It wasn't bolted to the firewall and had one bolt barely holding it under the dash. The center console has nothing securing it to the floor. The shifter isn't bolted down and there's no wires running to the lights in the console.. In fact, there are no interior lights PERIOD. They buried the dome light when they did the headliner..
-I know it didnt leave that way. the column was bolted down. I cant say that the column was in mint shape, it was whatever came with the car, but it was bolted in. And no, we don't install interior lights in the base-models. And the dome light in a general lee is a bad idea. the heat radiates off the rollbar and makes for a very hot rollbar, and at best melts the padding, at worst burns someone. In almost all cases, it melts the new lens. We havent put domelights in those for 8 years. And unless the car was a console shift, I don't run wiring for the console lights, they are there fr looks only on base-models.
The torque converter.. I was told it was a 3500 stall. It's an stock converter.
-then someone lied to us and sold us the wrong convertor. That is something that should have been addressed and exchanged under warranty. It is supposed to be a 3500 stal convertor, thats what was paid for.
Ok, I'll leave the board now. i don't have a problem with these things being said. In fact, I am happy to discuss the details with anyone. If I am anything, I am honest and upfront. I had several people call me directly to ask about the car and how it was built, I know at least one definately chose not to buy it based on the information I gave him. Not trying to kil the sale, but wasnt trying to lie either. I told him the truth, which I would have done for anyone who asked me. It is what it is. I wouldnt pay $60k for it, because i don't think its built right or worth it as is, but there was alot going into it that was not up to me.
It left with Royal Purple, orange coolant, no leaks, working thermostat, trans seals... I don't know what to say except something is missing in between. You have a specific question about what it had, I always answer the telephone and email.
I think these forums are a good thing. I just want to make sure it is truthfully represented. this is a tool for someone to use when looking to have work done. they hear good things, then bad things, then see for themselves and make an educated decision. I see some un-truths being put out there and want to correct the record where it needs. the car did have problems, but to say its something that we were paid for that we didnt do right is not the case. I think its great that the new owner is going to fix them and make the car what it should be, best of luck.
Things that were major, I fought to get done and some did, some didnt. At the end of the day, I will not spend my money to build someone else a car. And there is no double billing going on here or anything like that, and I can back up every record I have.
Bottom line: the car is what it is. It was never and is not a restored charger. he spent about $70k? Well out of that only around $20k went to us in labor. To build a complete car for that, it was a damn nice car. It did was it was supposed to. It looked good. I drove the thing at 65 MPH with no problems. It had bad points, but some are superficial and some didnt exist when it was here, don't know what to say about that. I could make perfect General Lee replicas for $65k but no one would buy them and there would be another thread on here calling me a jerk for charging too much. I can't make everyone happy, but I do pretty good. To say this is indicative of what we do here is wrong, and I think it is obvious to anyone who takes the time to see what we are about. everyone needs to make a living, but we are here because we love what we do and want to help others enjoy it as well. I gave up a career that paid twice as good to build this business because it is satisfying... except for days like this i suppose.
thanks for the time and space. I can't think of anything else I need to bother posting about, so back to you in the studio. The information is available for anyone who wants to know. I am only a phone call away.
Bk Automotive LLC
www.bkauto.net
www.blackknightchoppers.net
713-996-9655
Just quoting it again to save it..........things disappear all the time.
More to save, or things go away.....
i say you quote the entire thread so it can be 24 pages..
i'm just sayin.. :lol:
Don't worry, the whole thread will be quoted on it's own website shortly :lol:
sorry, 26 pages.. :shruggy:
Quote from: Brock Samson on November 19, 2008, 04:10:52 PM
i say you quote the entire thread so it can be 24 pages..
i'm just sayin.. :lol:
I'll quote you instead. :lol:
Seriously, I'm not quoting anything else except the BK shop, & only because when the guy's lawyer gets involved, he'll tell him to stay quiet & not say a word to anyone. Then he'll go back & delete, deny, & say whatever else it takes to look like he's in the right. It'll be nice to have this info later for others to read.
But in my opinion, I don't think this BK guy has much to worry about. I feel bad that JB666 got shafted, but technically, his only recourse is probably through Sickdawg. BK's argument will be that he sold it to Sickdawg, not JB666, & a lot could have happened in between transactions.
Example.....
You get your '69 Charger perfectly restored & sell it to me with resto shop invoices to back up your claims. I drag it home, & in turn I go out & race it, wreck it, then get some shoddy repairs done to doctor it up & advertise it on DC.com for anyone who wants it. Chargerfan sees it & buys it because he'd rather have a '69 anyway, & I give him all of your receipts to show him what was done to the car.
......but I don't tell him about the accident I had & the drunken crack head who used joint compound to fix it for me for $39.74 before I listed it. Do you think Chargerfan has a right to call you in SF & post how much of a sleazebag he thinks you are? I can play dumb (it's easy...lol) & say the car was perfect, I have no idea why Brock allowed spackle to be used on the car.
If I were in this situation, I wouldn't have posted a word until I already had a lawyer on Sickdawg's front steps with a subpoena, but that's just me.
(edit:) One last thing to add, if anyone doesn't understand why Sickdawg hasn't posted, well, you should watch Judge Judy instead of Dancing With The Stars. :lol:
Quote from: Old Moparz on November 19, 2008, 04:30:36 PM
But in my opinion, I don't think this BK guy has much to worry about. I feel bad that JB666 got shafted, but technically, his only recourse is probably through Sickdawg. BK's argument will be that he sold it to Sickdawg, not JB666, & a lot could have happened in between transactions.
That pretty much sums it all up.
Quote from: SFRT on November 17, 2008, 05:58:33 PM
I'm going to make nachos. who wants some?
Mmmm . . . . . nachos!
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My purpose for starting this thread wasn't to see any $$ come my way. The primary objective of this thread was to show people out there what kind of work BK Auto is capable of and to make sure there are no new victims. There's TONS of stuff out there about HLPAG, just Google their name and you'll be surprised with the results.. Do the same with Burger King Auto and you'll see nothing, until now.
If $$ was what I wanted, I'd have taken the lawyer against Brian route, but I know for a fact the guy's tapped and doesn't have a pot to piss in, so why would I make that worse? He's got kids, a house, a wife that just got laid off (I know, I sound like I am explaining his sob story) and sold ALL of his toys.
I even told BK that I'm not out for $$. The only way THEY could make this right, and save their reputation, would be if they offered to contact my shop and pay the labor rate.
I was SO HAPPY when I bought this car that I wasn't going to be one of the people posting my "I HATE HLPAG" stories... So instead I'm here.
I must say that I respect what jb666 is doing, he got railed but is chalking it up and warning others about BK. But trying to take this to court in my opinion is like blowing in the wind, just money you'll be wasting. Save the money for the repairs you need on your Charger.
Stand by for VERY INTERESTING INFO that we have researched!!!!!!! :yesnod: YOU WILL BE BLOWN AWAY!!!!! :flame: One thing that Chuck and I are good at, HUNTING DOWN CROOKS!!!!! :D Still finishing up a couple things!!!!!
Chuck & Lisa
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Thanks guys!!
If this was about $$ you'd have never seen a post out of me, I'd have let my lawyer do the talking.
There are other suckers, I mean DREAMERS like me out there and I'll do my best to warn them about these crooks.
Hey JB666,
Just to make it clear, I wasn't hinting anything about chasing money down. I know from reading your posts that you were just informing others of what happened & that you're already fixing the car to make it right. I quoted BK's post because I have seen posts deleted in the past. What that does is, it makes members who's posts remain look sensless when they are responding to a deleted post.
I have posted many times in the past about a certain repro grille company having the crappiest service, but people still get ripped off. Back in the mid to late 80's I had my Satellite convertible in a so called "restoration shop" & got screwed. Not anywhere near what yourself & Sickdawg spent, but it taught me a valuable lesson that has kept me from never going into a deal without steel lined BVD's ever again. :smilielol:
Hey JB666
I don't know you name Sorry but I feel for you man, It's always the little guy getting screwed , If you and Brian are on good speaking terms then I would look for a good lawyer and put BK out of business ! Really had Brian taken the car to the track or simply tried to show off it's power too his buddies he could have killed himself or possibly a bystander. He was blatently taken for a ride by BK, and Shops like that shouldn't exsist in outr Mopar community.
Put your good nature and emotions aside and handle this legaly there have got to more cars out there like this built by BK
Send your story to MCG and the rest of the Mopar Magazines
Good Luck
Ron
Quote from: Big Sugar on November 19, 2008, 05:06:55 PM
Hey JB666
I don't know you name Sorry but I feel for you man, It's always the little guy getting screwed , If you and Brian are on good speaking terms then I would look for a good lawyer and put BK out of business ! Really had Brian taken the car to the track or simply tried to show off it's power too his buddies he could have killed himself or possibly a bystander. He was blatently taken for a ride by BK, and Shops like that shouldn't exsist in outr Mopar community.
Put your good nature and emotions aside and handle this legaly there have got to more cars out there like this built by BK
Send your story to MCG and the rest of the Mopar Magazines
Good Luck
Ron
lord know MCG likes to fry people as long as they done avertise with them LOL
Thanks, I'll look into that :cheers:
look, any lawyer is going to tell you your problem is between you and Sickdawg, not BK.
hat =e to break it to youm you bought it from HIM not them, right?
so He would have to sue them over a car that he sold.....wont work.
Quote from: jb666 on November 19, 2008, 05:30:26 PM
ok,you got me. who's MCG?
MOPAR COLLECTORS GUIDE they are very sensationallistic , but still the best mopar rag out there .
Quote from: SFRT on November 19, 2008, 05:32:21 PM
look, any lawyer is going to tell you your problem is between you and Sickdawg, not BK.
hat =e to break it to youm you bought it from HIM not them, right?
so He would have to sue them over a car that he sold.....wont work.
Read the last couple posts, he's not looking for money from BK Auto, this post was only made to get the knowledge out there about BK's shoddy work.
Ok I have to show you something...
Their "custom subframe connectors" were an absolute joke. They may as well have used exhaust tubing.. The welds on the end were something your 10 year old son could do with a blindfold on.
BK's RESPONSE-thats actually funny. Anyone who knows anything about subframes or mopars knows that these are the best subframes you can buy or build. they were welded by a frame and structureal designer/fabricator that has built things for indy cars. they were correct thick wall tube and correctly welded. Since the major welding was done in this car and it was off the twirler it was made to be a bolt-on connector. Just to be safe, it was welded on by the installer, so I can see it being rough welds where it attatched to the car, but thats because it was already bolted and the welding didnt need to be perfect.
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Enough said on that subject.
OMG thats wild....and depressing at the same time. Call Rob Wolf at Mopar Collectors Guide You know what ....I'll send him a link to the thread....it's a good read.
Ron
Another odd discovery is that BK's pulled his ads from EBay. He's had ads running 24/7/365 for a long time.. Too many inquiries into their builds? :shruggy:
WOW... Coming from the nuclear field I have seen some incredible welding done, but to hear an answer like ( but thats because it was already bolted and the welding didnt need to be perfect. ) is the biggest load of crap I have ever heard..... :shruggy:
Are you sure this guy isn't a comedian??
:smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: So, No more ebay ? :smilielol: :smilielol: you don't say. :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol:
Quote from: Steve P. on November 19, 2008, 07:50:38 PM
WOW... Coming from the nuclear field I have seen some incredible welding done, but to hear an answer like ( but thats because it was already bolted and the welding didnt need to be perfect. ) is the biggest load of crap I have ever heard..... :shruggy:
Are you sure this guy isn't a comedian??
I'm not sure , but I can tell you this, if you were here watching the work happen on my car you'd be laughing!! :hah:
Quote from: jb666 on November 19, 2008, 06:06:56 PM
Ok I have to show you something...
Their "custom subframe connectors" were an absolute joke. They may as well have used exhaust tubing.. The welds on the end were something your 10 year old son could do with a blindfold on.
BK's RESPONSE-thats actually funny. Anyone who knows anything about subframes or mopars knows that these are the best subframes you can buy or build. they were welded by a frame and structureal designer/fabricator that has built things for indy cars. they were correct thick wall tube and correctly welded. Since the major welding was done in this car and it was off the twirler it was made to be a bolt-on connector. Just to be safe, it was welded on by the installer, so I can see it being rough welds where it attatched to the car, but thats because it was already bolted and the welding didnt need to be perfect.
How strong was the subframe it was welded too ?
Just imagine the result if that had broken loose and hung down while you were on a sunday afternoon cruise....with your kids !!
I Sent a link to the thread too Rob Wolf and Randy Holden At Mopar Collectors Guide, Interesting story, hopefully they have a connection that can help fix this, or at least get this out in the media.
Ron
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Enough said on that subject.
The torsion bar end looks pitted, sure isnt a new one. With all the blasting they did that picture doesn't do it any justice.
On a good note... that weld looks so cold you could probably knock those off with a sledge hammer.
Looks like a bolt hole in there but no bolt in it, Whats holding that thing up there :shruggy: Certainly not that weld if thats what you can call that. :rotz: :eek2:
I love the attention to detail on this car!
Now the mind wanders ...and desires...pictures of other bad-assed BK builds.
When I weld in subframe connectors, I grind the welds & fill for that smooth clean look, Same with torque boxes, floor pinion snubber plate, ect. as can be seen in these Pics. This is what he should of got for his $60,000. LEON.
Very interesting. He'll get whats coming to him.
x10 :yesnod:
:smilielol: I like the fact that the first location for this business turns out to be an Apartment complex in NW Houston. :smilielol: That's why the Ebay ad says "Not open to the public" :smilielol: The second location shows some shops on one side of the street and apartments on the other. :shruggy: I really like the fact that this company "LLC" :smilielol: got it's LLC in 2003 and then had their Charter "REVOKED" in 2005 :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: WHAT DO YOU THINK THE BOOKS LOOK LIKE AT THIS FINE COMPANY. :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: WE'VE SEEN THE CAR, :smilielol: WE'VE SEEN THE BILLING, :smilielol: WE'VE SEEN THE ADS AND EBAY, :smilielol: AND NOW WE WILL SEE THEM DISAPPEAR. :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :naughty: :naughty: :naughty: :naughty: :naughty: Don't worry folks, this is just a start. :yesnod: :naughty: :naughty: :naughty: :naughty: Remember my words BK, I said you will be made an example. I guess my suggestion of taking care of this quickly and quietly doesn't look so bad now does it ? You are a fool and as I said long ago you are doing irreparable damage to your questionable company name. I know you are informed of all of this so pay attention. I will do everything in my power by law to assist in expossing you and your company name for the good and safety of the public. Skip68
Quote from: skip68 on November 20, 2008, 11:46:14 AM
:smilielol: I like the fact that the first location for this business turns out to be an Apartment complex in NW Houston. :smilielol: That's why the Ebay ad says "Not open to the public" :smilielol:
Like I stated earlier to him on this thread, I've been to his shop and lived in the neighborhood next to his shop and those Godforsaken apartments.. They are one of the worst in Houston let alone NW Houston.... I would HATE to have my cars over there.. One good thing is the shop is far in the back of the business park, so unless you know BK is there, you would never see it from the main road.. I only caught a glimpse one day driving back and my eye caught the silhouette of a 69 Charger... Of course, I went and investigated and found all those future "Generals" parked around inside the fence.... But, most of the residences living in the apartments don't have a clue what a General Lee is let alone a '69 Charger.. They spend more time drinking beer and loitering around waiting for a pick-up truck to pick them up...
It IS one of the main reasons I moved once I got married and had children.....
So, does anyone else already know about the IRS reward program for turning in a dead beat? :D
http://moneycentral.msn.com/content/Taxes/Avoidanaudit/P42263.asp
Quote from: Old Moparz on November 20, 2008, 12:07:21 PM
So, does anyone else already know about the IRS reward program for turning in a dead beat? :D
http://moneycentral.msn.com/content/Taxes/Avoidanaudit/P42263.asp
wow this BK guy really came to the wrong place :D
Quote from: moparstuart on November 20, 2008, 12:26:57 PM
Quote from: Old Moparz on November 20, 2008, 12:07:21 PM
So, does anyone else already know about the IRS reward program for turning in a dead beat? :D
http://moneycentral.msn.com/content/Taxes/Avoidanaudit/P42263.asp
wow this BK guy really came to the wrong place :D
Yeah, he sure did.
What's funny is he keeps emailing me, telling me I "did this to myself" and that no one here knows what they are talking about. :lol: :lol: EVERYONE'S WRONG, HE'S RIGHT!! Come on people, get with the program!!
The guy working on my car this morning called me to laugh about the "Nascar style frame connectors" that he pulled out of my car.. What a JOKE.. I won't even get into it, you've seen the pictures.
:scratchchin: It is possible that mistakes have been made on all sides, even mine. :shruggy: :scratchchin: :shruggy: We will see. :popcrn: Oh, If he has done nothing wrong then my response to him would be --- then you have nothing to worry about. And I would leave it at that.
Another plug asking for help from members -- I'm putting a link to this thread everywhere I go, and a few friends have been helping as well, but I really need you guys to help me spread the word.. :popcrn: Some of the forums I'm not registered on won't let me post a link for 25-50 posts.
Check out their custom "accessories"! Gatlin Gun?????? :scratchchin:
http://www.bkauto.net/ateamadditionalparts.htm
Mrs.Skip68 ;)
Quote from: skip68 on November 20, 2008, 04:50:05 PM
Check out their custom "accessories"! Gatlin Gun?????? :scratchchin:
http://www.bkauto.net/ateamadditionalparts.htm
Mrs.Skip68 ;)
Selling automatic weapons?
Maybe the ATF should get a call :scratchchin:
Quote from: Daytona R/T SE on November 20, 2008, 06:20:08 PM
Quote from: skip68 on November 20, 2008, 04:50:05 PM
Check out their custom "accessories"! Gatlin Gun?????? :scratchchin:
http://www.bkauto.net/ateamadditionalparts.htm
Mrs.Skip68 ;)
Selling automatic weapons?
Maybe the ATF should get a call :scratchchin:
(http://domesticmisfits.net/forums/images/smilies/spittake.gif) Too funny!!!!
QuoteThey are electric powered and can be DANGEROUS. Will shoot through a TV set
See... Mom was right. You shouldn't sit so close to the TV, especially when the A Team is on! :nana:
The plot thickens...
The guy working on my car just called me...
Even though the "restoration page" at BK auto claims it (are you sitting for this one??) MY CAR WAS NEVER SANDBLASTED.
The whole underside (that wasn't replaced) has the factory undercoating all over it. Factory seams. ALL TRACES OF THE FACTORY work still exist under this car.
So let's see.. Put on a rotisserie , no frame repair, minimal floor/trunk repair, God knows WHAT for body work.. What exactly was the $15,000 value with that extra step?? :smilielol:
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It didn't look sandblasted to me either. So BK sez nobody here knows what they are talking about. I've been restoring cars for past 25 years. He thinks he's the only one. I'll agree much of what he said is true but the problem is not much of it applied to that particular car from what I could see. Pictures say 1,000 words. After seeing the Pics & $60,000 price thats all the facts you need. Nothing needs to be explained. :shruggy: LEON.
Just what I was saying last night when you posted the frame connector pic :rotz: BK makes Hlpag look good. And WTF a pair of painted small block Chevy valve covers for $325. They need to raid the shop for drugs or whatever their on.
From the bottom of this page...
http://www.bkauto.net/gmr3.htm (http://www.bkauto.net/gmr3.htm)
QuoteThe lower ball joints had to be welded in place in order to work, but in the end, this Frankenvan came to life as needed.
There's a phrase you don't hear every day... :eek2: I wouldn't expect those heated joints to last too long, and good luck to BigRed with their replacement! :flame:
It looks like they work in any place they can. All you see is they bondo up a bunch of dents then paint. You can see in their pics that they bondo right over the paint. I'm sure they have a reason - this is our ghetto package deal and it is only 20K"
I could do better welding coming down from cheap acid.
And they call us "RedNecks!"??????? :slap: Check out their "bad azz Shop!" :sarcasmalert: I wouldn't take my kids bicycles there! :rotz:
If they were a restaurant, I wonder how the food would taste? :shruggy: :eek2: :D :smilielol:
Chuck
Hey Chuck (Skip68), do you have a link to that overhead shot of their shop? (Please!) :icon_smile_big:
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post the address to that shop and I'll look it up on my program! :D
Google earth. Man, that shop is like a dump. That whole place reeks of success :eyes: Fixed.
junk yard! Check out the future batmobiles! ::)
Which Google Earth do you have? My google earth looks nothing like that nor as clear! :shruggy:
Edit: Nevermind I see you are using Virtual Earth. This google Earth picture was taken January 9, 2008 so pretty recent, not sure when the VE pictures were taken Skip is posting.
It looks like a big operation unless they just are in the one building. I cant imagine them working out of all of them :shruggy:
There is some good lessons in this thread and some very good warnings. The problem is that it is going off the intended track. Some things being said here boarders on slander. Some things could look to people that don't know the site well like we are all about slamming people and businesses. We need to get this thread and any like it to work for everyone. Not just to tinkle in someones Wheaties.
I don't know anyone that likes getting taken and I think this is a good thread that WILL keep others from being taken. We just need to make sure it does not become a zoo...
OK??
Well, I just got back from the shop.. I'm not even leaving there surprised any more.. Bondo as thick as my hand. Painted over rust pits.. BONDO'D floor pans.
This one will get you guys chuckling. The motor is in the engine bay crooked. Yep, that's right, it isn't in there right.. :brickwall:
At least the rear end is finally looking like a car again.. All cleaned up and ready for the new parts.
Pictures to follow...
You'll have to keep us updated with a whole "how to fix a BK mess" thread.
Glad to hear it's looking up w/ the rearend. :cheers: Regarding the motor and bondo...WOW. :rotz:
Quote from: Ghoste on November 20, 2008, 10:02:03 PM
You'll have to keep us updated with a whole "how to fix a BK mess" thread.
Oh, I will.. And the soon to be website.
I'm beginning to think I'd have been better off calling Hans and his group of merry men.
Steve is right. :yesnod: So I've made extra shure that I say only the facts on this issue. :yesnod: I've cleaned up a few things so I don't personally offend anyone. Lets all do the same and keep on track. :2thumbs: Chuck..............
QuoteRotted frame rails covered in fiberglass.. Check out the "patches" and the holes. In person this rail is disgusting.
-There were rust spots in teh rails, almost completely confined to the rear, behind the axle and under the trunk. you can even see in the photos its mostly complete, with holes dotting teh rails. They were blasted to remove exterior rust, glassed over to make them appear smoother and undercoated. the trunk rails are not structural to the car. 99% of the weight and structure supporting i done between the front and rear wheels. this could have been done alot better, but as it has little importance to the track or structure of the car this is an area where money was saved.
trunk rails not structural? is that right?
structural or not, it'd never pass inspection here. in a rear end crash, it'd be deadly. what's it worth then?
Quote from: aussiemuscle on November 20, 2008, 11:59:08 PM
QuoteRotted frame rails covered in fiberglass.. Check out the "patches" and the holes. In person this rail is disgusting.
-There were rust spots in teh rails, almost completely confined to the rear, behind the axle and under the trunk. you can even see in the photos its mostly complete, with holes dotting teh rails. They were blasted to remove exterior rust, glassed over to make them appear smoother and undercoated. the trunk rails are not structural to the car. 99% of the weight and structure supporting i done between the front and rear wheels. this could have been done alot better, but as it has little importance to the track or structure of the car this is an area where money was saved.
trunk rails not structural? is that right?
structural or not, it'd never pass inspection here. in a rear end crash, it'd be deadly. what's it worth then?
To them apparently nothing, because I was told "even if you lived in Texas and could bring it over I would not fix that at my expense, he got what he paid for"
So again we keep falling back to "cheap Brian" who
only paid $56+k
Quote from: The70RT on November 20, 2008, 09:40:11 PM
It looks like a big operation unless they just are in the one building. I cant imagine them working out of all of them :shruggy:
They are in the southern most building with the cars in the back.. Like I stated, I used to live down the street in the neighborhood to the South.... They only had the one building then as fas as I knew...
Troy
Troy, when you stopped in there and checked the place out, did it look like they were Charger butchers to you or did you perceive something different than what's shown in this thread.
Sorry to hear about all this...will be following the thread. Im glad your sticking with the car though, better then just passing it along.
Skip, future note...if you need to take a pic of the screen hit the "Print Screen" button on your keyboard. Open up MS paint and hold CTRL and hit "V". You will have a complete copy of the screen, just resize it if need be and save it as a JPEG.
Quote from: Ghoste on November 21, 2008, 12:30:58 PM
Troy, when you stopped in there and checked the place out, did it look like they were Charger butchers to you or did you perceive something different than what's shown in this thread.
When I was there, there was a '69 that was pretty much in primer I believe. So I really didn't get to see the actual work. But the cars that were outside were pretty dang rusty... Sooo, I'm thinking, and it's just my observation and nothing more, the GL's start off as very rusty.. This was all about 2 years ago......
Quote from: FLG on November 21, 2008, 12:37:16 PM
Sorry to hear about all this...will be following the thread. Im glad your sticking with the car though, better then just passing it along.
Skip, future note...if you need to take a pic of the screen hit the "Print Screen" button on your keyboard. Open up MS paint and hold CTRL and hit "V". You will have a complete copy of the screen, just resize it if need be and save it as a JPEG.
Thanks.. I couldn't imagine passing this on to someone else.. I'd rather see it through to the end (except, we started at the end!! :lol:)
Ok, here are a few pictures from last night..
Aside from finding old/original floor/trunk sections that had rot where BK was too lazy to cut/replace..
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2234Medium.jpg)
Does this look like a sandblasted frame to you?
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2222Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2223Medium.jpg)
Driver's side:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2228Medium.jpg)
Can't wait to see what's under this mess of Bondo
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2231Medium.jpg)
Some of the new parts that had just arrived..
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2219Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2246Medium.jpg)
Trying to find spots that weren't painted over rust pits.. No luck though :shruggy:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2248Medium.jpg)
It's no surprise to any of you that this car was never blasted, but they looked for evidence of sand ever hitting this car and there was none.. You can never get rid of all the sand from that job, and there's none hiding anywhere on this car..
Yea, there is sand, it's just in visable :smilielol:
Quote from: MoparManJim on November 21, 2008, 04:32:45 PM
Yea, there is sand, it's just in visable :smilielol:
That just about sums up the quality of a LOT of their work -- INVISIBLE!! :lol:
Wait till you see the angle of the motor next to the K-frame. :hah:
They even painted the door latch. But maybe thats how WB painted the TV show generals also.. :shruggy:
Quote from: PocketThunder on November 21, 2008, 04:41:44 PM
They even painted the door latch. But maybe thats how WB painted the TV show generals also.. :shruggy:
I honestly have no clue, but I can say that they didn't do it to match any WB car, they did it because it was the easy way out. The jams are a mess. How difficult is it to clear the paint in the jams.. not tough at all.
Just wondering why you didn't go with the full quarters that are available? Just my :Twocents: but if you are going to replace those quarters it's easier to do them whole instead of the welding and bodywork that is going to have to be done on those patch panels....
Quote from: Hemidoug on November 21, 2008, 05:24:22 PM
Just wondering why you didn't go with the full quarters that are available? Just my :Twocents: but if you are going to replace those quarters it's easier to do them whole instead of the welding and bodywork that is going to have to be done on those patch panels....
The shop doing the work preferred it this way. The metal on the upper panels is clean and they've done a lot of panels this way by choice.
:rotz: :shruggy: :rotz: :rotz: :rotz: :rotz: :rotz: :rotz: :rotz: This is all very sad and wrong. :rotz: :rotz: :rotz: :rotz:
now that you are in some serious resto mode, might want to think about taping and covering some of that interior or take it out. Once that body dust starts flying you'll wish you did when it's time to clean.
Quote from: mikepmcs on November 21, 2008, 06:01:24 PM
now that you are in some serious resto mode, might want to think about taping and covering some of that interior or take it out. Once that body dust starts flying you'll wish you did when it's time to clean.
Absolutely :cheers:
Quoteust wondering why you didn't go with the full quarters that are available?
:yesnod: i agree with your shop . why get into cutting the roof and having to remove the back window . plus full quarters cost a lot more :Twocents:
They definitely cost a LOT more.. And like you said, why cut up panels and get into areas that are actually clean. They are cutting these quarters right below the lip, and believe me when I say this, the guy installing these is incredible with a welder.. I'm looking forward to the results. :2thumbs:
Man, this is turning into a lot more work and $$$ than I had originally thought it would. Good luck to ya.
Quote from: Cozmo on November 21, 2008, 09:07:23 PM
Man, this is turning into a lot more work and $$$ than I had originally thought it would. Good luck to ya.
I just gotta say Cozmo, i love the paint on your chevette!!! :2thumbs:
QuoteThe shop doing the work preferred it this way. The metal on the upper panels is clean and they've done a lot of panels this way by choice.
The shop probably won't prefer those quarter skins anymore by the time they're done installing them. If they've never done a 2nd-gen Charger re-quarter skinning before, they're in for an unpleasant surprise.
Tell them to try holding up one of the replacements and compare the doorjamb area. It won't fit the car at all; the replacement will have to be cut at the middle bodyline and bent farther than it came. And it's probably too long in back too. And the wheelwell flange is too wide, which few people ever actually correct when they do this job, etc . . .
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If the car was mine, I'd get the newer "full" repro quarters.
But at the same time, just because you've bought a repro panel of a certain size, there's no law saying you have to use it all. If the rust damage is a lot smaller than the whole panels and the current quarters are factory-originals, I'd consider cutting down a full repro quarter to just a smaller section.
Quote from: PocketThunder on November 21, 2008, 09:21:52 PM
Quote from: Cozmo on November 21, 2008, 09:07:23 PM
Man, this is turning into a lot more work and $$$ than I had originally thought it would. Good luck to ya.
I just gotta say Cozmo, i love the paint on your chevette!!! :2thumbs:
Thanks man. Here's another shot for ya! :lol:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v612/lbaird78735/MyGenLee.jpg)
Exactly, we are not using the entire panel. It's much easier this way.
Quote from: Mike DC (formerly miked) on November 21, 2008, 09:35:59 PM
QuoteThe shop doing the work preferred it this way. The metal on the upper panels is clean and they've done a lot of panels this way by choice.
The shop probably won't prefer those quarter skins anymore by the time they're done installing them. If they've never done a 2nd-gen Charger re-quarter skinning before, they're in for an unpleasant surprise.
Tell them to try holding up one of the replacements and compare the doorjamb area. It won't fit the car at all; the replacement will have to be cut at the middle bodyline and bent farther than it came. And it's probably too long in back too. And the wheelwell flange is too wide, which few people ever actually correct when they do this job, etc . . .
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If the car was mine, I'd get the newer "full" repro quarters.
But at the same time, just because you've bought a repro panel of a certain size, there's no law saying you have to use it all. If the rust damage is a lot smaller than the whole panels and the current quarters are factory-originals, I'd consider cutting down a full repro quarter to just a smaller section.
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Quote from: Cozmo on November 21, 2008, 09:07:23 PM
Man, this is turning into a lot more work and $$$ than I had originally thought it would. Good luck to ya.
I just gotta say Cozmo, i love the paint on your chevette!!! :2thumbs:
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ummm...
Thanks man. Here's another shot for ya! :lol:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v612/lbaird78735/MyGenLee.jpg)
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I know it's a bad photochop. I'm a friend of JB's from another forum. When he first got the general, a mutual friend photochopped a couple of pictures of my car in the General Lee color scheme messing with JB. :icon_smile_big:
:cheers: Welcome to the site Cozmo. :cheers: I wish it was better circumstances but welcome anyway.
Quote from: skip68 on November 22, 2008, 12:53:04 AM
:cheers: Welcome to the site Cozmo. :cheers: I wish it was better circumstances but welcome anyway.
Hey thanks man. :cheers:
Hopefully JB can get the issues squared away with his car, still have some money left and realize his dream! :2thumbs:
I've always loved American iron. There are some pretty sweet cars on this forum. My second car was a 68 Roadrunner with a 383. I sold it to my cousin when I entered the USAF. He crashed it. :brickwall: Wish I still had that car.
Thanks guys!!
Ok, a few new pictures. The car is coming together REALLY nicely. The rear frame sections are all in (those that aren't welded are in place waiting to be welded). The rear quarters are coming off this week, and lots more pictures will follow.
But, first off, BK charged for a transmission cooler. You see one anywhere? I see lines going directly into the radiator. Excuse the mess, the harness is in the middle of being installed and everything's being cleaned up. The engine bay is a MESS!!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2260Medium.jpg)
Second, from these shots you can see the "crooked" motor :lol:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2259Small.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2257Medium.jpg)
Here you can see everything coming together really nicely. There's still a TON of work to be done, but it's starting to look like a car again!!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2254Medium.jpg)
The rest of the frame (where the weld is) was in REALLY nice shape, and factory is always better, so instead of changing out the entire rail, sections of the new rails were used.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2252Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2252Medium.jpg)
The subframe connectors are gorgeous. They are exactly like another member who posted in here (sorry I can't remember who), but I can definitely see where they will stiffen the car up!!
Stay tuned!! :cheers: :cheers:
:2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
I wanted to take a second to thank everyone that's PM'd and emailed me with their advice and help. It's amazing how helpful people here are, taking time out of their days for me. Here's to a great group of people!! :cheers:
wow man your doing a great job. i dig all the pics your posting . thanks . Rene :cheers:
Well It looks like your handleing things well The Charger will be as good as it should have been origionaly, It's a shame it had to go like this, But you certainly Showed BK a little Handiwork.
Let's hope you find a way to recoup some of your losses.
Ron
Quote from: BigBlockSam on November 23, 2008, 12:05:08 PM
wow man your doing a great job. i dig all the pics your posting . thanks . Rene :cheers:
Well, I couldn't have done most of this without the help and suggestions I'm getting here. I'm REALLY excited about the car being done, next year will be great (and loaded with car shows), so I'll be ready!!
It's funny sitting here , reading my own thread, I can remember 2 months ago driving home with this thing on a trailer behind me thinking "I could just drive straight to tomorrow's huge car show and show it!!".
Imagine my horror if I had done that and had people SHRED the car to bits...
Quote from: Big Sugar on November 23, 2008, 12:06:09 PM
Well It looks like your handleing things well The Charger will be as good as it should have been origionaly, It's a shame it had to go like this, But you certainly Showed BK a little Handiwork.
Let's hope you find a way to recoup some of your losses.
Ron
There are lots of legal routes I could go, I just need to determine which route I WANT to take. I certainly hope this thread will show up when anyone (new buyer) searches BK AUTO GENERAL LEE on Google.. It'll open some eyes. I've already had two PM's from people who were shocked at this car and ready to pull the trigger on an EBay ad they saw :o
I don't know JB, I just did a search for BK Auto on yahoo and nothing about this post came up. Only info on BK Auto................
Quote from: 68charger383 on November 23, 2008, 12:18:08 PM
I don't know JB, I just did a search for BK Auto on yahoo and nothing about this post came up. Only info on BK Auto................
It takes time.. It'll appear, eventually. Plus, when I launch my website it'll definitely be on the top of the list.. I still have a few tricks up my sleeve.
What's sad is BK told me "I won't be held hostage to your ransom notes". Never once did I TELL THEM to "pay me or else". I simply told them the
only way they could make this right was to offer to help out with these (necessary) repairs.
Progress looks good jb. your'e whole outlook on this is good too.
as far as BK goes, if he's been in business for longer than 5 minutes, then it's common sense that you don't take jobs that you have to half ass to come in at a budget. the smart business man would realize that in the end, nobody remembers how much it cost or what a customer said, they only know that your name's on the work and it's shitty. When this hit the fan and you went public, he should have come on here and said that he made a mistake taking the job when he didn't have the staff that could handle it and that he would make the car right for you or at least work with you.
instead, he came up with these excuses and this "you guys don't know shit" attitude. He assumed that this site was full of a bunch of yahoo backyard rube goldberg charger owners. Little did he know that our members are varied and many have a huge amount of expertise in fixing and restoring these cars.
The company I work for does custom work, huge jobs that cost over 150K and have many variables. When a customer says they don't want to do the fixes the right way or cannot afford it, we tell them to shop elsewhere. We have lost some sales over the years, but our reputation is impeccable and that has resulted in more revenue than taking the cheapie/assbag jobs.
I have heard plenty of people come on the web and bash companies or products, only to have the company come on and at least pretend to offer an acceptable explanation and eventually a compromise of some sort so everyone can save face. In this case, I have never heard such a load of BS as this guy is slinging. Does this guy have any idea how much 50 or 70 thousand dollars is to the average guy? that's a house to some people.
I agree. A massive amount of money was spent (with BK) on this rebuild and now it's all got to be redone. almost every little detail of this build was done wrong. So far the ONLY thing I can say is nice about this car is it's exhaust system. Everything else, so far, has been hacked.
BK's comments of people here not knowing what they are talking about couldn't be farther from the truth. It's unreal what I've achieved BECAUSE OF the people on this forum!!!!
BK says he regrets ever getting involved with this car?? Not yet he doesn't.. :flame:
:smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol:I'm glad you said it. :smilielol: The only thing that I liked was the exhaust. :yesnod: But , that was probably out of shop work. :2thumbs: I think that there is about 35,000 to 40,000 reasons why BK took this job. :scratchchin: And I'm guessing about 20,000 to 30,000 reasons why you are mad. :yesnod: In the end you will have one very very nice car to be proud of. Chuck............
One poroblem with that dkn1997, If I was to tell everbody I dont feel I could do a quality show car job on any car for under $100,000 how much business do you think I'd get? $100,000 Mininum would wipe out 99.9% of your customers. Then your out of Business. The Average customer wants top pay $10-20k That dont buy you quality on complete resto :scratchchin: :shruggy: :Twocents: LEON.
That being said, would you charge a customer what this car went for all the while maintaining that it was a quality job?
I think where BK went wrong is with the dumbass way he does his paperwork. When you get into this type of resto, you need to be detailed in your receipts, detailed in what you recommend for repairs, and detailed in what the customer accepts for repairs. Lots of people are not going to be able to afford having things done the way it should be done. What shop owners need to do is document what was recommended and what the customers accepted. If I took a car in and the shop owner said "To do it right I need to do this for X amount of dollars." I say " I am just a blue collar guy. Is there another way to do the job cheaper. I am just looking to make it a solid driver." The owner says "Well, we can do it this way." I agree to it and sign off on it in writing. This way it is very apparent who is responsible for things being done the way they are.
:yesnod: The shop that put my engine in in Ca. had me sign a work order. :yesnod: And when I had them do some extra's I had to sign and ok it. Is that the way most shops work ? To me it seems like the best way.
Quote from: Mike DC (formerly miked) on November 21, 2008, 09:35:59 PM
QuoteThe shop doing the work preferred it this way. The metal on the upper panels is clean and they've done a lot of panels this way by choice.
The shop probably won't prefer those quarter skins anymore by the time they're done installing them. If they've never done a 2nd-gen Charger re-quarter skinning before, they're in for an unpleasant surprise.
Tell them to try holding up one of the replacements and compare the doorjamb area. It won't fit the car at all; the replacement will have to be cut at the middle bodyline and bent farther than it came. And it's probably too long in back too. And the wheelwell flange is too wide, which few people ever actually correct when they do this job, etc . . .
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If the car was mine, I'd get the newer "full" repro quarters.
But at the same time, just because you've bought a repro panel of a certain size, there's no law saying you have to use it all. If the rust damage is a lot smaller than the whole panels and the current quarters are factory-originals, I'd consider cutting down a full repro quarter to just a smaller section.
Yep....welding that quarter all the way down that LOOOOONG bodyline and the work to keep it stright is a hell of a lot more then popping a few spot welds......I'd rethink that on if I were you.
Yes, alot of shops do that. I also bet when you got your receipt it was detailed. I bet it didn't say...
"Extra work"- $2500
:icon_smile_big:
Quote from: skip68 on November 23, 2008, 05:26:06 PM
:yesnod: The shop that put my engine in in Ca. had me sign a work order. :yesnod: And when I had them do some extra's I had to sign and ok it. Is that the way most shops work ? To me it seems like the best way.
Well, the best way + BK's way don't mix :lol:
You're right, they should have been a bit more specific with their slips.. "$2500 for repop parts". I NEVER would have let that fly. I'm not a guy for huge long detailed slips, but that's ridiculous. All of the slips I've seen for things never even done to the car are really what get me, and for them to say "Well it left my shop with those things installed". PLEASE. Brian had the car for 2 weeks, took it for a 5 mile ride and parked it in his garage for the remainder. He WAS NOT in his garage swapping parts & draining fluids..
Imagine this -- They are doing stuff like this on this "cheap" $50k job, imagine what they are doing with the "right method" $150k resto job?? WOW! :o
Quote from: Hemidoug on November 23, 2008, 05:29:40 PM
Quote from: Mike DC (formerly miked) on November 21, 2008, 09:35:59 PM
QuoteThe shop doing the work preferred it this way. The metal on the upper panels is clean and they've done a lot of panels this way by choice.
The shop probably won't prefer those quarter skins anymore by the time they're done installing them. If they've never done a 2nd-gen Charger re-quarter skinning before, they're in for an unpleasant surprise.
Tell them to try holding up one of the replacements and compare the doorjamb area. It won't fit the car at all; the replacement will have to be cut at the middle bodyline and bent farther than it came. And it's probably too long in back too. And the wheelwell flange is too wide, which few people ever actually correct when they do this job, etc . . .
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If the car was mine, I'd get the newer "full" repro quarters.
But at the same time, just because you've bought a repro panel of a certain size, there's no law saying you have to use it all. If the rust damage is a lot smaller than the whole panels and the current quarters are factory-originals, I'd consider cutting down a full repro quarter to just a smaller section.
Yep....welding that quarter all the way down that LOOOOONG bodyline and the work to keep it stright is a hell of a lot more then popping a few spot welds......I'd rethink that on if I were you.
I'm not worried - I've seen his weld/body work. To say it's clean would be an understatement. Most quarters he's done barely need body work after!! It'll look great, and besides, you can't beat factory lines, so I want to retain as much as possible. Everything above the top quarter line is mint, so there's no reason to touch it. Have faith, you'll like what you see :cheers:
Quote from: General_01 on November 23, 2008, 05:30:19 PM
Yes, alot of shops do that. I also bet when you got your receipt it was detailed. I bet it didn't say...
"Extra work"- $2500
:icon_smile_big:
I just looked at my receipt for my engine build. Every nut and bolt is there down to $5 for cam bolt and $9 for 2 cans of paint.
I'd like to see more of how the rear frame rails were welded in. The way the photo shows below seem like all the stress will be focuses on the very top part of the weld. is there plans to put "doublers" around the weld are or is it structurally sound?
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2254Medium.jpg)
Quote from: AKcharger on November 23, 2008, 05:49:55 PM
I'd like to see more of how the rear frame rails were welded in. The way the photo shows below seem like all the stress will be focuses on the very top part of the weld. is there plans to put "doublers" around the weld are or is it structurally sound?
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2254Medium.jpg)
Hi -- These are just in place, it's not close to being done. I'll get more info/pictures for you later this week :cheers: Thanks for the concern though :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
Ghoste, If you go back to page 14 where I commented & posted a Pic of a B5 blue 70 cuda undercarriage on Rotiserrie I did that should answer your question. LEON.
Heres, what the Sub frame connectors look like from Mancini bolted in. Nothing fancy but much better then BK's. LEON.
Quote from: hemi-hampton on November 23, 2008, 06:34:39 PM
Heres, what the Sub frame connectors look like from Mancini bolted in. Nothing fancy but much better then BK's. LEON.
Those are 100X nicer then BK's. I didn't get any shots of mine in, but I will this week, they are gorgeous.
Quote from: hemi-hampton on November 23, 2008, 06:30:05 PM
Ghoste, If you go back to page 14 where I commented & posted a Pic of a B5 blue 70 cuda undercarriage on Rotiserrie I did that should answer your question. LEON.
All the way back to page 14?? It was more of a rhetorical question Leon but the picture does answer it. What you are basically implying by that picture is that you do quality work and expect to be paid for it. Not what BK did which was to charge a high price and deliver crap.
Ghoste, YES, That pretty much sums it up :scratchchin: LEON.
:shruggy: I have to ask. Our engines are not centered in the car to start with. So would'nt that make them in at an angle ? :shruggy:
Ok, now I am really disgusted.. Today (THANK YOU BRIAN!!!!!!!!!!!) I got a huge packet in the mail. Every slip/invoice from the date this "project" started. You guys WILL NOT BELIEVE some of the stuff in here. I have to remove some personal info before I post some of this stuff, but WOW.. It's worse than I thought.. This has gone past the point of dishonesty, they flat out RIPPED HIM OFF.
Ok, This is the one that made me laugh (but not the worst one by far..)
See below this image:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/Invoice1Large.jpg)
Item #1,2,3 & 4 - FINE
Item#5 - 11/16 Tie Rod Kit - This is almost too funny to talk about. The ball joints and tie rods literally FELL OUT of the car. They did not need tools to remove!! 100% stock PAINTED PARTS. $210? Wow, easy money for a can of Krylon.
Item#6 - They don't exist. I PUT HD Springs in the car, but these things were stock/painted.
Item#7 - STOCK/PAINTED
Item#8 - LCA Bushing R&R - How does one R&R a bushing? Oh, I see how you did it, you painted the stock bushings and charged $50.00 - Another expensive can of Krylon.
Amount of $$ scammed from this ONE INVOICE - $705.00
Ok, this one will have two images. Notice BK charged twice for the same Battery Terminals (under the hood) for the remote kit.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/scan001Large.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/Invoice3.jpg)
Royal Purple -- 12 Quarts?? $100.67? NEVER PUT IN THIS MOTOR, PERIOD.
Transmission lines? ORIGINAL - $260.00
Accelerator Linkage & Throttle Linkage -- ???? Two invoices, same item??
You guys will LOVE this one.. Check out the original Contract Agreement. What a joke.
I boxed in some of the highlights.
6 months to complete :rofl:
"restore the base vehicle to original body condition" :rofl: I didn't know the factory fiberglassed their rear frame rails :slap:
".... will inspect and go over the safety issues" :smilielol: I think they all took that day off.
"complete rust removal, frame preparation and undercoating, welding if necessary". :smilielol: Why weld when you have BONDO, it works just as well!!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/Page1Large.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/Pages2Large.jpg)
Nahhhhhhhhhhhh, we don't double bill, that's ridiculous!!
A quote:
----- Original Message -----
From: BK Automotive LLC
To: JB666
Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 10:15 PM
Subject: Re: re:
And so you dont have to ask, I'll be more than happy to set time aside on Sat and go through the entire billing invoice with you line by line if you want. We stay busy, I don't need to invent charges.
BK Automotive LLC
www.bkauto.net
713.996.9655
PROOF Double billed for the "performance dipstick", which is nothing more then a $15 AutoZone special. Less then 3 months apart, too!! No wonder Brian was getting pretty pissed at this point. BK even threatened to put a lien on the car if he didn't stop questioning and pay!! They were even so inconsistent with things they put two totally different prices down!!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/Dipstick1Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/Dipstick2Medium.jpg)
One funny thing, on this bottom invoice, $275.94 for the alternator. It was a cheap POS $100 alternator from CarQuest. Nothing fancy about it. I had it yanked for a 1-wire 100AMP alternator that could do the job, this thing wouldn't even maintain a charge!!
Take these low life bastards to court.
With the pictures you provided of the crap work they did, along with invoices of such said work....it should go down pretty good.
Quote from: FLG on November 24, 2008, 07:18:06 PM
Take these low life bastards to court.
With the pictures you provided of the crap work they did, along with invoices of such said work....it should go down pretty good.
Already in the works.. (legal action, that is).
How about 5 different invoices totaling over $1800 for "engine installation"?? How many different bills did you have to cut to install the motor??
4 invoices and over $1000 to "assemble the brake system", which was BY FAR one of the most hacked messes I've ever seen. It had to be totally gutten and replaced.
$130 to "road test and trouble shoot cooling problem"?? WHAT cooling problem? You claimed, in my email, that it was perfect when it left your shop and never had any issues.
$275 for the cheap turn signals you butched into the hood? Ouch!!
$146 to "diagnose cooling problem" , then on the same invoice $10 for a T-Stat. You already charged to road test & trouble shoot this same issue!!
I'll scan some more in tomorrow night, I really need to put these things down right now. NEVER have I seen a shop rip someone off quite so bad.
He said car was Media blasted on rotiserrie & invoice say's at least twice all rust will be repaired & welded if needed. BUT, If you look at this Pic of Trunk Extension it's obvious it's never been blasted & rust was never repaired. Trunk Extension should of been replaced. Probably what he charged for in the $2500 in repop parts but never actually used it. The invoice & this picture alone should make it a easy win in court :scratchchin: :flame: :brickwall: :RantExplode: :icon_smile_angry:
Before you load your gun, double check your invoices. On the battery cable part, one invoice looks like the billing for the part and the other looks like the billing for the labor to install it. Same with the throttle assembly. Not saying they didn't rip Brian off, but that is what it looks like they were doing on those two items. Just want you to make sure you are seeing what you are seeing. Good Luck. The car is looking very nice. I like those frame connectors. :2thumbs:
Wow, thats unbelievable.
I notice you say Item #1, Subframe connectors is fine at $300. You mean you'd pay $300 for those. You'll have to pay someone $300 to remove & replace. :shruggy:
I guess I'm not clear on how you could sue BK. You didn't buy the car from them. I could see how you might get them in legal trouble with various state agencies in Texas, but not being a lawyer I would think you'd need to sue the guy you bought it from. He must have been desperate to offload it and either was totolly dishonest with you or one of the most ignorant people about cars on earth, of course he has not spoken here nor should he on this forum as he owes nothing to any of us. :Twocents:
I am thinking that by fine he means that something resembling them were on the car and was only billed for once. NOT that he is fine with the price for the junk they put on the car.
Quote from: General_01 on November 24, 2008, 08:59:58 PM
I am thinking that by fine he means that something resembling them were on the car and was only billed for once. NOT that he is fine with the price for the junk they put on the car.
Bingo!! :cheers:
And Joflaig, I've said enough, I can't get into details right now. :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
As for the invoice(s), we definitely could read them as parts/labor, but once again, their lack of detail is a joke. The fact that all of these parts exist on paper only is the real issue here.
Hemi-Hampton - I agree completely, the only "blasting" that was done in connection to this car is what they did to Brian.
I dont understand why Brian didn't sue :shruggy:
Quote from: hemi-hampton on November 24, 2008, 09:07:49 PM
I dont understand why Brian didn't sue :shruggy:
Me neither, but it's something I wasn't meant to understand.. I think it was just easier to put the whole thing behind him. This was supposed to be his dream come true, instead it was a visit from Jason, Freddie and Oprah all in one nightmare. :popcrn:
:scratchchin: I would really like to see what the bill of sale and title from BK to Brian looks like. :naughty: If you could black out all of Brian's info and post it that would be great. :naughty: I bet that there would be some guest reading this that would like to see it. :naughty: :whistling:
Is it possible to team up together in a combined (joint) lawsuit. 2 for 1 deal? LEON. :scratchchin: :shruggy:
:yesnod: Brian can go in or be pulled in. :yesnod: They (BK) Purchased, Built and then sold a car that is not safe nor legal. Just because the first owner turns around and sells it, it doesn't make BK exempt from all liabilities. The answers to that is in their own paperwork. Use their own words against them and watch them implode. :yesnod: That is one of the reasons I'd like to see the bill of sale. :yesnod:
I'm not a lawyer but this is the way it looks to me...
There's a ton of evidence that BK built a death trap and then sold it after way overcharging the customer, that is completely illegal in all 50 states.
But, Brian never complained and actually enjoyed the car before he sold it to jb666. That is the issue that BK's lawyer will focus on. They said they would build a custom General Lee and the buyer paid and enjoyed it and then sold it with the opinion that it was a nice car. Thats the only agreement BK had to satisfy. Whatever was found after the sale to jb666 unfortunately BK is not liable for. Brian should have sued and it would've been a slam dunk for him.
Well, I wouldn't go as far as saying Brian "enjoyed" the car. He took delivery of it and sold it 2 weeks later, because he was broke and desperate.
This story got a LOT worse this morning, and I'll post pictures later. The shop removed the rear window, and then the rear panel between the quarters. THERE IS NO METAL back there, the whole thing is Bondo, 2" thick. It's one of the most disgusting things I've ever seen, and the pictures will make you say :eek2:
I've never seen anything this bad...
My parts list just went up.
Quote from: jb666 on November 25, 2008, 10:21:33 AM
Well, I wouldn't go as far as saying Brian "enjoyed" the car. He took delivery of it and sold it 2 weeks later, because he was broke and desperate.
I'm pretty sure he got it last Dec. or Jan. and then put it up for sale in June, thats 5 months. I'm guessing you bought it sometime in August?
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,38192.msg419908.html#msg419908
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,45761.msg519809.html#msg519809
Sickdawg showed pics underneath on a lift in the ad for sale. I am sure he seen the carnage. It is just too bad he didn't sue the bastards....or even finished paying them and let them be stuck with it before passing it off like he did. I know he took a loss but I couldn't pass one off like that, I like to sleep at night.
Quote from: The70RT on November 25, 2008, 11:15:16 AM
Sickdawg showed pics underneath on a lift in the ad for sale. I am sure he seen the carnage. It is just too bad he didn't sue the bastards....or even finished paying them and let them be stuck with it before passing it off like he did. I know he took a loss but I couldn't pass one off like that, I like to sleep at night.
I know...
To be honest, you guys probably 'know' Sickdawg better than me. Maybe he did know, maybe he didn't. At this point he's been helping me by supplying original paperwork and all details he can remember.
I'm really not looking to blame anyone except the assholes that built this thing.
Quote from: 1BAD68 on November 25, 2008, 11:08:28 AM
Quote from: jb666 on November 25, 2008, 10:21:33 AM
Well, I wouldn't go as far as saying Brian "enjoyed" the car. He took delivery of it and sold it 2 weeks later, because he was broke and desperate.
I'm pretty sure he got it last Dec. or Jan. and then put it up for sale in June, thats 5 months. I'm guessing you bought it sometime in August?
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,38192.msg419908.html#msg419908
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,45761.msg519809.html#msg519809
He didn't have the car (in his possession) when that first thread was posted. He took delivery of this car right after he posted that first ad in the FS section. In fact, none of those pictures are his, they were all taken in BK's yard. He put this car up for sale before he had it in his garage because of his financial situation. (At least it's what I was told...)
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,35678.msg391208.html#msg391208
?
its fairly obvious that the sickdawg dude passed the buck/dodged a bullet and that 666 got the shaft.
Quote from: SFRT on November 25, 2008, 11:49:33 AM
its fairly obvious that the sickdawg dude passed the buck/dodged a bullet and that 666 got the shaft.
Well, after reading that last (link) post, I have come to the conclusion that:
1. He was talking smack and making up stories
2. He lied to me from the get-go and had the car longer then he let on.
Either way, instead of getting discouraged and wondering who did what, I'm concentrating on what BK DID NOT DO (or better yet what they DID do).
:rotz: I have to be honest. :yesnod: Brian holds the key to a lot of holes and blanks. Like I said long ago, I don't see JB getting any money out of this and that's not what he's looking for. Either Brian an BK are in it together ( which I doubt ) or just Bk. In any case it looks like BK Automotive has committed FRAUD. Brian selling the car,( knowing how bad it was or not ) DOES NOT GET BK Automotive off the hook or out of trouble for breaking the Laws. :yesnod:
That is true, but it would take a lot of money for a lawyer to sort this out and it looks like jb666 has his hands full already with the repairs on his car.
I wonder if a "class action suit" would be the way to go?
There must be other guys that bought some of these cars from BK and are aware of the shoddy work, maybe get in touch with them? There would be no loop holes for BK to slip through if a BK customer sues.
Quote from: 1BAD68 on November 25, 2008, 12:50:26 PM
That is true, but it would take a lot of money for a lawyer to sort this out and it looks like jb666 has his hands full already with the repairs on his car.
I wonder if a "class action suit" would be the way to go?
There must be other guys that bought some of these cars from BK and are aware of the shoddy work, maybe get in touch with them? There would be no loop holes for BK to slip through if a BK customer sues.
I've already got 2 other "old customers" with similar situations. Not saying we are/aren't going to sue, just saying I've had 2 others contact me with horror stories like mine. I'm searching/waiting for more. :2thumbs: They have both made it clear they won't be posting, but are definitely onboard..
That's also why it's important that this thread is linked to as many car related forums as possible. One guy found me through a "Hybrid Forum". Go figure!! :lol:
class action suits are for DEEP pockets , We know BK doesnt have much left to split .
If jb666 boughta $35,000 car for $35,000 you cant complain. But if Brian bought a $35,000 car for $70,000 then he's got something to complain & sue about since he's been ripped $35,000. The way I see it :shruggy: LEON.
Quote from: hemi-hampton on November 25, 2008, 04:41:16 PM
If jb666 boughta $35,000 car for $35,000 you cant complain. But if Brian bought a $35,000 car for $70,000 then he's got something to complain & sue about since he's been ripped $35,000. The way I see it :shruggy: LEON.
I agree with your philosophy, but DID I get what I paid for? No. I got what I deserved, but that's a different story.
Did Brian get ripped off? BIG TIME, no doubt about that.
Why Brian pushed this under a rug is just baffling, :misbehaving: especially if he sold because of hard times. Anyone would have known when the car was passed on something negative would show up sooner or later. I guess maybe since he lost so much he would figure the next owner would understand :shruggy:
Quote from: The70RT on November 25, 2008, 07:06:15 PM
Why Brian pushed this under a rug is just baffling, :misbehaving: especially if he sold because of hard times. Anyone would have known when the car was passed on something negative would show up sooner or later. I guess maybe since he lost so much he would figure the next owner would understand :shruggy:
I know, I can't figure it out either, and I've tried.. I couldn't pass something like this along to anyone...
Wow! I hate hearing this shop did this, and then the one in Conroe got raided. What the hell is going on in the Houston area? I guess they did not count on websites like this posting their dirty laundry. I hope it all works out for you.
Thanks, Jeff.
Ok, check these shots out.. Today, while working on the area around the rear window (removing the panel between the quarters) this is what they found. EXCELLENT body work!!
Here's how they 'made' the rear panel. Notice the excellent welding job. Love the use of the square tubing that was welded on the underside.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/IMG_2387Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/IMG_2388Medium.jpg)
This is the pc that's actually INSIDE the trunk, under the rear panel.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/IMG_2390Medium.jpg)
And finally, the rear window lip. NICE, huh?? No wonder this was leaking.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/IMG_2391Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/IMG_2394Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/IMG_2395Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/IMG_2396Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/IMG_2397Medium.jpg)
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(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/IMG_2399Medium.jpg)
On to the rear quarter removal..
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/IMG_2400Medium.jpg)
Nice rocker panel..
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/IMG_2401Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/IMG_2402Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/IMG_2405Medium.jpg)
Bondo, anyone??
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/IMG_2404Medium.jpg)
:o Good thing this is all coming out.. .What a mess!
Also, I spoke to Brian tonight. He did advertise the car for sale before he ever took delivery of it. He almost couldn't afford to complete the job, but scraped up what he needed to get it shipped home. Thomas at BK told him he was the "first person in 20 years to complain about anything". :brickwall:
Anyways, Brian said he posted the story in the above link out of fun, that the only ride he went in the General was a 5 mile (round trip) ride to the gas station, it was never out again. He had the car in his possession for 2 weeks.
That's all I can go by, and I believe it, because if he had the car sitting in his garage he'd have taken some updated pictures for his for sale ad.. :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
JB, I got an email from C.C. from the fine state of Texas today. They are still waiting on me to give them what you and I have talked about. :yesnod: I've kept quiet on most everything that I've done and for good reasons. But, I do want to update this site. :yesnod: I now feel like letting out just enough so that everyone here can see that I and JB are doing our civic duty . :yesnod: :naughty: As of last Thursday, I have made several contacts. One of which is with the state of Texas. :yesnod: And because of that, we have had a guest from the state reading this thread. :scratchchin: :icon_smile_big: At this point, it is safe to let this out and that is all that I'm going to say. ;) The squeaky mouse gets the cheese. :icon_smile_big: Chuck..........
Has this thread been "linked" on other Muscle car sites??
great work chuck and that car is a mess ! BONDO BABY :buff: :buff: :buff: :buff: :hack: :hack: :hack: :smash: :smash: :smash: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared:
Quote from: TK73 on November 25, 2008, 09:47:00 PM
Has this thread been "linked" on other Muscle car sites??
Any/all help is certainly appreciated, but we've been working to link this up just about everywhere we can :cheers:
Looks like your typical Michigan Rust bucket, I have to deal with cars like these on a Daily basis unfortunately. Hopefully some justice can be done. Good Luck.
P.S. At least ytou got inner rockers
(http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q101/hemihampton/rustyinnerrocker.jpg)
:o Man, after looking at those last pictures I'm thinking that you would be better off spending $5k to $7k for a nice solid roller. I know that we are going to find more as you remove the paint. I think I would have got all the paint off first. :rotz: Man, I'm so sorry to see that. :pity: I'm also thinking... :scratchchin: If the base car came with a motor, did BK take off some money for the motor that Brian supplied or credit him ? :shruggy: It looks like they took the parts car they had and filled it with bondo for Brian. :rotz: :rotz: :rotz: :rotz:
I'd buy a whole different body for the amount of time and money that one is going to take, unless your getting the deal of the century on labor, doing it all yourself or are just plain rich.
QuoteI'd buy a whole different body for the amount of time and money that one is going to take, unless your getting the deal of the century on labor, doing it all yourself or are just plain rich.
I can't figure it out either. How can so much money be pissed away with so little thought? The whole thread is just kind of sickening and fascinating at the same time - kind of like a super slow-motion, soap opera / train wreck. BK deserves everything they have coming to them, but they wouldn't exist at all if a few more brain cells were engaged up front. I guess perhaps we have all made mistakes of various magnitudes at one point, ....... but, wow.
Some parallels, however, are beginning to help me understand a little better this whole financial crisis/dilemma the nation is involved in:
First,its too late to even think about turning back.
Second, this isn't costing the amount some of you are assuming it is. A solid roller would run me $6k+.
To me, this project is gratifying knowing it'll be done right.
I want to stay on track here. The reason I'm posting all these pictures isnt to criticize why/how this is getting fixed. It's to show what BK AUTO covered up and make sure their next customer doesn't fall for the hype.
You've all been a big help, especially you, Chuck :cheers:
Quote from: jb666 on November 26, 2008, 06:34:32 AM
First,its too late to even think about turning back.
Second, this isn't costing the amount some of you are assuming it is. A solid roller would run me $6k+.
To me, this project is gratifying knowing it'll be done right.
I don't how"perfect" you are going to want to make this thing, but it's going to cost you more than you think and that is going to be a ton. The biggest problem is that you started any work at all. Just the fact that you did means you could never return the vehicle as sold to the seller. This just makes things more complicated.
Ok, there appears to be a lot of assuming going on around here..
1. I have no intentions (nor have I mentioned) ever wanting to return the car.
2. Some of you guys are assuming this is costing me a fortune. You are wrong. The circumstances around this deal I won't get into, but it's not setting me back like you think it is.
3. It's not about the $$. I don't know how many times I've said this. It's about the principal and not letting someone get away with this fraudulent activity.
Look at it this way, a good friend of mine has owned his own business for 25 years. He's an excellent mechanic and has a great reputation. One day he was service papers from a person who's car broke down ONE YEAR after he fixed it, causing an accident. The person was suing him for $30k. It cost my buddy $33k to fight this person to the end, BUT HE WON. My point is it's not always about $$, it's about principal.
I AM NOT TURNING BACK NOW.
Quote from: RallyeMike on November 26, 2008, 03:44:10 AM
QuoteI'd buy a whole different body for the amount of time and money that one is going to take, unless your getting the deal of the century on labor, doing it all yourself or are just plain rich.
I can't figure it out either. How can so much money be pissed away with so little thought? The whole thread is just kind of sickening and fascinating at the same time - kind of like a super slow-motion, soap opera / train wreck. BK deserves everything they have coming to them, but they wouldn't exist at all if a few more brain cells were engaged up front. I guess perhaps we have all made mistakes of various magnitudes at one point, ....... but, wow.
Some parallels, however, are beginning to help me understand a little better this whole financial crisis/dilemma the nation is involved in:
No criticism intended on my part. I just think a guy would be better off with a more solid foundation to start with. But if your happy with your course of action then that's great. I'm just saying it looks like $20,000 in body repairs painting alone. As I recall there is nothing special about the car to warrant the kind of money being spent on it. It's not an R/T or original Warner Bros. General Lee. Couldn't a guy have bought a quality GL clone for just a bit more? Either way best of luck with your project. At least your working on it. more than I can say lately.
Quote from: 69DodgeCharger on November 26, 2008, 08:51:07 AM
Quote from: RallyeMike on November 26, 2008, 03:44:10 AM
QuoteI'd buy a whole different body for the amount of time and money that one is going to take, unless your getting the deal of the century on labor, doing it all yourself or are just plain rich.
I can't figure it out either. How can so much money be pissed away with so little thought? The whole thread is just kind of sickening and fascinating at the same time - kind of like a super slow-motion, soap opera / train wreck. BK deserves everything they have coming to them, but they wouldn't exist at all if a few more brain cells were engaged up front. I guess perhaps we have all made mistakes of various magnitudes at one point, ....... but, wow.
Some parallels, however, are beginning to help me understand a little better this whole financial crisis/dilemma the nation is involved in:
No criticism intended on my part. I just think a guy would be better off with a more solid foundation to start with. But if your happy with your course of action then that's great. I'm just saying it looks like $20,000 in body repairs painting alone. As I recall there is nothing special about the car to warrant the kind of money being spent on it. It's not an R/T or original Warner Bros. General Lee. Couldn't a guy have bought a quality GL clone for just a bit more? Either way best of luck with your project. At least your working on it. more than I can say lately.
One funny thing is what BK posted in their contact. That it was a "318 automatic floor shift car". After decoding the vin/fender tag the car is a 383 4speed a/c car. Does this make it rare? I have no clue, I'm not a "Mopar guy" :lol:
Quote from: jb666 on November 26, 2008, 09:01:02 AMOne funny thing is what BK posted in their contact. That it was a "318 automatic floor shift car". After decoding the vin/fender tag the car is a 383 4speed a/c car. Does this make it rare? I have no clue, I'm not a "Mopar guy" :lol:
Yes, 383 4-speed cars are in short supply. Or is that only in '68? :shruggy:
The story here is much more than just some butcher calling himself a body man. More than just taking advantage of people. It's more about people BEING taken by a butcher that calls himself a body man..
We all know these guys are out there. We have dealt with some of them in the past. What is being done here is a public service. I applaud JB for doing this.
This exposure of what CAN and HAS happened to himself and others is a reality and somehow needs to be stopped. The days of a mans word is all but faint memory and it makes me sick.
People that advertise cars as top shelf and sell them to the unsuspecting are nothing less than dangerous thieves. Had that car come apart on a highway and killed someone just who do you think would be on the hook? Who would have that nightmare for the rest of his life? The builder has already proven that he can sleep at night. Why should anyone let him? He put his greed over not only dreams, but LIVES. That just isn't right in my book.
I would like to see this story and others like it in every magazine and on every web site.
Maybe I am wrong, but when my grandfather taught me that a man is only as good as his word I took it to heart. I thought it meant that if you tell someone that you will do something or did something it had better be done or you should die doing it.
JB has shown just how much he wants his dream to become a reality. Yes, he should have checked the car out as much as he could before buying it. That didn't happen because he trusted a shop at their word and was, for lack of a better word, "GIDDY" about having his dream car. Well, he has learned the VERY hard way that some people are nothing more than thieves and is now trying to help keep others from making the same mistake.
His car will one day live up to his dreams and he will be proud and it will be well deserved. My bet is that he will NEVER stop telling people about this experience and never stop showing the pictures that will make people that love cars hurl. I know I would. I would have KODAK on speed dial making sure every picture is very large and crystal clear. At every show I would have the pictures on a billboard showing and telling everyone with interest.
Maybe that's just me....
I agree with Steve. JB could sit back and bitch and moan about the car and cry on here how he got screwed. He could let it set around and do nothing to it and never found out how shoddy the job was. If the man has some money to correct the car then more power to him. He may have 40-50K invested in a 30K car or did nothing and had 35K in a 12K car and couldn't even drive it. Hind site is 20/20 but at least this way the bastards that did this on the car are exposed and the gratitude that some others wont be screwed will somewhat ease the pain. What ever else he has plans on I hope it all works out for him. :2thumbs:
When i was getting screwed by my first body shop that worked on the birdible . Instead of acting right then , I got depressed and let it sit at his shop for 7 years with no work getting done on it. I blocked it out of my mind and got even more depressed about it as time went on. I only got ripped off for $5000.00 I paid him for work not done , and $2500.00 to replace the wing he stole/lost ? Luckily I got all my other expensive parts back when i repossesed the car. If I had not waited so long and acted like JB is maybe my wing would not have disapeared ? JB is doing the right thing and keeping a great additude . :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
Interesting read:
http://www.knightfoundation.net/2008F0rum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=10422&hilit=bk+automotive
Quote from: skip68 on November 26, 2008, 11:31:52 AM
Interesting read:
http://www.knightfoundation.net/2008F0rum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=10422&hilit=bk+automotive
Odd, they say RESEARCH RESEARCH RESEARCH, but when I was first turned on to this car (here) I DID research BK Auto and found nothing out there (bad). On the flip side it was simple to find bad things about HLPAG - Those thread jump out at you..
That's why I'm hoping that the next "me" in line can find their way to this thread.
It's funny that the people on that forum say "We thought Thomas ran for the hills long ago!". I'd like to find the threads/people that got screwed over on a KITT build. So far, I have one other GL person and a guy who paid to have an "A-Team Van" done.
QuoteOk, there appears to be a lot of assuming going on around here..
Really, I applaud any efforts to expose the work of crooks and that the problems wont be passed along to the next owner. As far as what in NOW being done to the car, it's readily apparent that whatever is being spent is at least buying something of equivalent value.
The thing I was focusing on is that when people are more responsible with spending their money, the BK's of the world don't exist in the first place.
:smilielol: Research. :smilielol: Where ? If this Company (BK Automotive) was a 100% legit company it would be easy. The problem is, (#1) This company is not a member of the Better Business Bureau. (#2) This company IS NOT OPEN TO THE PUBLIC as it states in their adds. (#3) These Forums are the place that you will find this information. (#4) :slap: It takes enough of these forums and putting people together to get the ball rolling. (#5) I'm starting to see that most of the people that say they got ripped off are from other Countries. (#6) :rotz: WE ARE LIVING THE RESEARCH AND CREATING IT. :yesnod: And for anyone buying a car period, take someone with you to check it out for you. Or, if you can't because you are far away, PAY to have it inspected. It's sad that it has come to this but there are too many scammers out there. I find it sad to see people trying to get the word out (which takes time and people to come forward) just to have other people put the blame on guys like sickdawg or jb666. So, to all of you that are saying do your research I ask you this. (#1) Are you a victim of BK Automotive ? I don't think most of you are NOR AM I. (#2) How many of you have helped pursue these idiots like I have ? My guess is NONE or they would be gone by now. Lets keep the real blame where it is due and not on the battered wife. :cheers: I have to admit that I'm a smart ass here and I've had to be spanked a few times by the Moderator's, :scratchchin: and I had it coming. :slap: But I will do anything I can to help our members and pay my way in this site to be a productive member and not just a goofball. :cheers: Chuck.............. P.S. I too had a hard time finding the dirt on these guys, but it is out there. Let's bring them down. :2thumbs:
Amen :angel:
CB
Quote from: skip68 on November 26, 2008, 12:39:10 PM
:smilielol: Research. :smilielol: Where ? If this Company (BK Automotive) was a 100% legit company it would be easy. The problem is, (#1) This company is not a member of the Better Business Bureau. (#2) This company IS NOT OPEN TO THE PUBLIC as it states in their adds. (#3) These Forums are the place that you will find this information. (#4) :slap: It takes enough of these forums and putting people together to get the ball rolling. (#5) I'm starting to see that most of the people getting ripped off are from other Countries. (#6) :rotz: WE ARE LIVING THE RESEARCH AND CREATING IT. :yesnod: And for anyone buying a car period, take someone with you to check it out for you. Or, if you can't because you are far away, PAY to have it inspected. It's sad that it has come to this but there are too many scammers out there. I find it sad to see people trying to get the word out (which takes time and people to come forward) just to have other people put the blame on guys like sickdawg or jb666. So, to all of you that are saying do your research I ask you this. (#1) Are you a victim of BK Automotive ? I don't think most of you are NOR AM I. (#2) How many of you have helped pursue these idiots like I have ? My guess is NONE or they would be gone by now. Lets keep the real blame where it is due and not on the battered wife. :cheers: I have to admit that I'm a smart ass here and I've had to be spanked a few times by the Moderator's, :scratchchin: and I had it coming. :slap: But I will do anything I can to help our members and pay my way in this site to be a productive member and not just a goofball. :cheers: Chuck.............. P.S. I too had a hard time finding the dirt on these guys, but it is out there. Let's bring them down. :2thumbs:
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Quote from: jb666 on November 26, 2008, 06:34:32 AM
First,its too late to even think about turning back.
Second, this isn't costing the amount some of you are assuming it is. A solid roller would run me $6k+.
To me, this project is gratifying knowing it'll be done right.
I'm at the same point with my project.
I went through very much the same kind of thing - with someone else (but while reading this thread I wonder if the guy that screwed me over got a job at BK. :D ).
It got to the point where I spent x number of dollars and had to get almost all the work re-done.
I thought about just cutting what I had into pieces and selling it so other Chargers could be saved.
Then getting a roller to start over with.
In reality, I would not be happy until I stripped the roller down and checked everything. Then redid the body and paint.
Sooo... I figure spend the $$ that a roller would cost on getting the metalwork done right, then do all that I would have to do with a roller anyway.. body and paint. Sure, I'll probably spend more than a roller might cost, but if I find one issue with the roller, I'm back to getting metalwork done.... round and round it goes... a 6K roller can turn in to a major project.
Then, I can say that I stuck with it, no matter how nasty it got. There's a certain amount of pride in that - even if it's at a cost.
It IS very gratifying.
I got it into a shop that was doing everything absolutely right.
I say "was" because a few things have caused me to stall the project. Hopefully, I'll be able to get it back on track.
Anyway that's another story. I could have built a thread very similar to yours with my story - except I can't find the guy that originally messed up my Charger.
:bump:
I like it, your doing the right thing jb. :2thumbs:
Quote from: BB1 on November 27, 2008, 06:13:19 AM
I like it, your doing the right thing jb. :2thumbs:
Thank you!! :cheers: :cheers: I feel really good about the whole thing..
I'm off tomorrow, but the shop will be busy at work on the car, so I'll head by for some more pictures.. Lots of new metal work that I'm dying to see :2thumbs: :coolgleamA:
sweet, can't wait to see some more pictures :2thumbs:
Quote from: mikepmcs on November 27, 2008, 04:56:23 PM
sweet, can't wait to see some more pictures :2thumbs:
Same here. I haven't seen it (in person) for almost a week and there's been a LOT of work done since then..
all you had to do was to look at the car when you went to get it.did you pay this shop to restore the car?NO. why should they care what you or anyone on here thinks. they got their money.you got what you look at and paid for. :Twocents:
"all you had to do was to look at the car when you went to get it.did you pay this shop to restore the car?NO. why should they care what you or anyone on here thinks. they got their money.you got what you look at and paid for."
:slap:
:smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: Why should they care? :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: Jerry, Jerry, Jerry, :rofl: :smilielol: :rofl: Do you really not know the answer for that ? ? ? :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol:
did this 23 page rant hurt their reputation??? :hah: :hah: :hah:if this didn't involve big $$$$$$$$$$$ it would have been a few replies on a post. i think hearing the other sidessss of the story might prove interesting.
the problem i see isn't about anything more then guys so desperate to have a certain car that they dig up rusted dead buried bodies that should have stayed buried and spend $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ to restore them and this is what you get. they are everywhere.poor judgement on owners part? what do you think.hope everything works out, after all its just money. :2thumbs:
Quote from: jerry on November 28, 2008, 09:04:17 AM
did this 23 page rant hurt their reputation??? :hah: :hah: :hah:if this didn't involve big $$$$$$$$$$$ it would have been a few replies on a post. i think hearing the other sidessss of the story might prove interesting.
the problem i see isn't about anything more then guys so desperate to have a certain car that they dig up rusted dead buried bodies that should have stayed buried and spend $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ to restore them and this is what you get. they are everywhere.poor judgement on owners part? what do you think.hope everything works out, after all its just money. :2thumbs:
Jerry, I can answer that question honestly -- YES!! I've been contacted by 2 people, so far that were going to buy from BK and aren't. I've been contacted by people that have purchased from BK in the past and have had similar problems. This thread has opened a LOT of eyes to BK's business practices, and while you don't appear to be too concerned about keeping people safe out there, some of us do.
And if you read the "23 page rant" you'd see the other sidesssss of the story wer already posting and was MOST DEFINITELY "interesting".
you have to go back and actually read this thread. BK did post with their side. Go back and read what the owner said.
Ironically, If BK had not come on here with his "explanations" it would have been better for him. A lot of people would have assumed there's more to the story and been more apt to dismiss a thread like this. It's his responses that hurt him most because they were blatantly full of poop.
I haven't been following this thread, but I sat down and read all 22 pages yesterday. First off way to go Jb666 for spreading the word out on these jerks and I think this is really gonna be a punch to their "business". Secondly good luck on your car looks like its coming along good.
I read BK's posts and would like to say that was like watching a good comedy movie. They said they was trying to do a Brian a favor and built a low budget car? what a load of crap. The only things these guys actually spent money on was paint supplies/materials, and new interior.... just anything that could be seen. They didnt give one single thought about safety and driveability. Fiberglassed frame rails??? Get real!!!
I know people have different budgets, plans for their cars, etc. For example Im building a driver, I buy when I can, and sometimes I have to prioritize things, to me safety is first!!
Good Luck and keep up the good work jb666,
Jason
Jerry, First of all BK dug up these cars. :slap: And that means that BK finds them. ::) And that means the customer doesn't go pick out the car. :slap: :smilielol: Jerry, you need to read more before you post. :yesnod: They show you pictures of what they do from the rotisserie up and then sell them. The problem is that's not what the customer gets. :slap: Then you talk about the other sides. :smilielol: We've got the car and we've got the paperwork. And, we've all seen the photo's. :shruggy: How can there be another side? :scratchchin: Unless you mean BK's reason why they rip off people as the other side. :shruggy: But that's like asking a bank robber why he did it. :smilielol: And waiting to arrest him until you get his side. :smilielol: :smilielol: You know he robbed the bank just like we know BK Automotive are liars, does it matter why? And we can prove it. :smilielol: But Jerry is right, BK may have a good reason to fraud people. :eyes: This other side stuff is a mute subject. :yesnod: I don't want this to get off topic. It seems like you have bodyshop knowledge so you should join us and help us out here Jerry so that no other member or anyone gets ripped from BK Automotive. :2thumbs: Unless you see nothing wrong with the fine work from BK Automotive in the pictures. :shruggy: :rotz:
It seems like Jerry didn't read the thread or is on BK's side for some reason. If he did read the thread what is the :hah: :hah: all about??? If Jerry had any dealings with BK that is good maybe he can share?
You'd think that someone might actually read the thread before they go shooting their mouth off.
Time to slink away, Jer.
Now, now, everyone is entitled to an opinion whether its the popular one or not.
Quote from: Ghoste on November 28, 2008, 01:51:49 PM
Now, now, everyone is entitled to an opinion whether its the popular one or not.
or an informed one....
I agree with Ghoste.
Now,,,, can we please KEEP this train on the proper tracks?? It would be an absolute shame to have to lock this thread up and watch it sink into the dark. Non of us want this to happen. This is a very important thread to many who don't even know it yet.
I highly suggest that this thread is kept to the point and not the silly, non-helping cracks that only make something good into something lost.
Everyone has an opinion and they are at liberty to express it. I only ask that this thread be kept to it's intent.
I'm still a little freaked out that theres an entire world of Kit the Talking Car clone enthusiasts out there.
Quote from: SFRT on November 28, 2008, 02:44:06 PM
I'm still a little freaked out that theres an entire world of Kit the Talking Car clone enthusiasts out there.
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maybe BK can start making the new mustang kitt , oh that would be off a new car sorry to nice for BK
And a great victory for Charger lovers everywhere. :2thumbs:
Mr. Squirrel says: "23 pages on this topic...that's just nuts!
(http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=22984.0;attach=34350;image)"
:scratchchin: Perhaps when this is all over and done the Moderators can make a short version. :shruggy: That has all the details and points of interest covered. :2thumbs: Or , maybe that's something that jb666 will have to do ? :shruggy:
Chuck, that one is the mods area. I've seen them do it before....they've gone in and cleaned up some pretty good train wrecks.
When is the next round of pics jb.
Quote from: mikepmcs on November 28, 2008, 06:24:58 PM
Chuck, that one is the mods area. I've seen them do it before....they've gone in and cleaned up some pretty good train wrecks.
When is the next round of pics jb.
Thanks to "Black Friday" I spent 3/4 of the day shopping and wasn't able to make it to the shop.. I'll be there in the morning and will come back with plenty of pictures. The car's quite a bit lighter, I'm told.. So I asked if that meant all of the bondo removal or if the quarters were off.. He said "BOTH" :lol:
I actually got good news! Lower rockers/doors are in great shape.. Finally, something that didn't need to be replaced!!! :2thumbs:
Quote from: mikepmcs on November 28, 2008, 06:24:58 PM
Chuck, that one is the mods area. I've seen them do it before....they've gone in and cleaned up some pretty good train wrecks.
Very true. Soooooooooooooooo...... if anyone notices their post magically disappear, consider it trying to keep this thread online and productive. I'm sure everyone will understand. :2thumbs:
Here are some new progress pictures.. it's coming along GREAT (in person). The work that was done under the car is amazing, it looks like brand new!
The driver's/passenger's dog legs are done, I now have brand new metal in there!!! Both sides were completely rotted out and filled with Bondo..
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_5776Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_5775Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_5761Medium.jpg)
And here's a pc of the lower quarter that came off.. Nice way to make a patch, instead of cutting out the rotted section and patching it, let's just go right over the rot!!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_5765Medium.jpg)
Excuse the dust and film props, here's one of the subframe connectors coming up through the floor
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_5778Small.jpg)
And here he is, nekkid :'( , but it's coming together, and that I'm VERY happy about!! I've already got the paint shop lined up once this work is done, too, which is GREAT news.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/IMG_2419Medium.jpg)
And here's what I'll leave you with, for today. Check out the (top) roof line near where the back window was.. Look straight to you? :eek2: This will be the icing on the cake if the roof needs to be replaced.. I'm keeping my finger's crossed that it's just mudded up about 2" back and clean from there. This car used to have a vinyl top, so I'm sure it just trapped all the moisture under there and rotted the death out of the window area.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_5771Medium.jpg)
Looks like your headed in the right direction :2thumbs:
:o Man that's looking good. :2thumbs: Now that's how you build a car for everyone watching. :2thumbs: :drool5:
Quote from: The70RT on November 29, 2008, 04:14:11 PM
Looks like your headed in the right direction :2thumbs:
Thanks, I'm REALLY siked about the work being done. The car is going to be incredible when it's done and it'll stay that way. Not saying it's going to be a garage queen, but it'll only be out on nice days.. Plus arrangements will be made to paint all the graphics on the car. I don't want to use decals this time around..
Quote from: skip68 on November 29, 2008, 04:18:45 PM
:o Man that's looking good. :2thumbs: Now that's how you build a car for everyone watching. :2thumbs: :drool5:
It's only the beginning.. This guy's work is incredible -- The next few weeks will be great seeing everything go together.
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looking good :2thumbs:
Looks good! just as well do those rear window regulators while the quarters are off, makes it much easier.
Quote from: Back N Black on November 29, 2008, 06:26:19 PM
Looks good! just as well do those rear window regulators while the quarters are off, makes it much easier.
Someone changed them already.. Used? I'm sure.. The only way I know this is because all of the old hardware was down inside the quarter :lol:
You going to have it media blasted at some point? Seems like there is a lot of (maybe) superficial surface rust in areas your're not replacing or working on?
Have you educated yourself about the world of car painting or are just taking whatever they tell you at the shop or painters? It never hurts to bounce things off other people.
Quote from: joflaig on November 29, 2008, 09:17:21 PM
You going to have it media blasted at some point? Seems like there is a lot of (maybe) superficial surface rust in areas your're not replacing or working on?
Have you educated yourself about the world of car painting or are just taking whatever they tell you at the shop or painters? It never hurts to bounce things off other people.
:2thumbs: That's a good :Twocents: :yesnod:
I would media blast the whole thing since too.
Love your enthusiasm.
Quote from: joflaig on November 29, 2008, 09:17:21 PM
You going to have it media blasted at some point? Seems like there is a lot of (maybe) superficial surface rust in areas your're not replacing or working on?
Have you educated yourself about the world of car painting or are just taking whatever they tell you at the shop or painters? It never hurts to bounce things off other people.
yes, he's hitting that this week. Part was done if you notice the inner rear valance. It's blasted and sealed. He's working his way up and sealing everything off before putting the quarters on the car. He's doing this right, and not just doing the classic "cover-up".
I'm not taking anything at face value, but none of this is "new" to the shop(s) doing the work , and the one thing I know (from seeing the cars they've been putting out for years) is that this will be done right.:cheers:
I like to paint behind the 1/4's before I weld them on. I dont know anybody else that does this. Looks good & nobody will see it but protects much better then just primer & will last longer. LEON.
WOW Hemi :cheers:
Why not just use a good sealer behind them?
Id hate to have to remove the quarters every time you wanted to polish that area :nana:
Quote from: hemi-hampton on November 30, 2008, 01:44:57 PM
I like to paint behind the 1/4's before I weld them on. I dont know anybody else that does this. Looks good & nobody will see it but protects much better then just primer & will last longer. LEON.
Hemi you do great work! i would not hesitate to drop my car at your shop. :2thumbs:
QuoteI like to paint behind the 1/4's before I weld them on. I dont know anybody else that does this. Looks good & nobody will see it but protects much better then just primer & will last longer. LEON.
wow, real nice . i spray it all with eastwood's rust encapsulater before i put the quarter back on . leaves it all satan black too
Quote from: hemi-hampton on November 30, 2008, 01:44:57 PM
I like to paint behind the 1/4's before I weld them on. I dont know anybody else that does this. Looks good & nobody will see it but protects much better then just primer & will last longer. LEON.
What about e-coating?
Quote from: joflaig on November 30, 2008, 05:58:38 PM
What about e-coating?
e-coating is a dipping process.
It'd be a neat trick to dip a partially assembled car.
You'd have to take it down to the bare shell before you could e-coat it.
I threw up a little. :eek2:
Good luck w/the rebuild. I'll be doing similar soon, after a body shop messed mine up too.
Wow, some good progress made on the car. Are you usuing the same shop that did your paint job on the Z? They did an awesome job on that. :2thumbs:
I would like to make a response here. I havent read everything in this post, and dont think I need to, but its easy to point fingers at a faceless company name and push blame. I just want to make a statement for consideration. I want you to know compaints of any sort are not something I brush aside. They stay with me no matter the reason. And this has been something I have thought about this week.
I started building cars for myself over 10 years ago, and eventually, someone would see one and ask for something, and things go from there. What I do I learned by sitting down, doing it, and screwing up. I have and will conitnue to make mistakes, cant help that, but I can and do learn from them. Someone on this board said something about making 99 bridges and being a bridge builder, one collapses and then its different. thats very true. Its something I learned years ago that I try to live and work by, and I do spend alot of time in most cases screening customers and making sure we both understand what we expect from each other. I do not lie, theres no benifiet to dishonesty, but I cannot read someones mind, I have to take thier word, and do the best with what I am dealt.
The Hemi-General is not a restored car. Its not a half restored car, was never intended to be. Its a cheap replica of a TV car that was modified later with an expensive driveline. In fact, nearly all of the additional costs were things I forced the owner to do to make the care at least halfway decent. There are alot of details left out and twisted in this thread, I read about 15k sandblasting and 20k body shells, which is ridiculous, and its because what I am saying is geting lost by being read in a blurb or my inability to get my point across correctly in this format.
I have been doing this now for a decade. I started by building cheapo sub $10k cars and currently we do work up to the $250k mark. The TV/Movie replicas dont even blip on the screen today when it comes to paying our bills, they cost as much as they bring in, but its where I started and they are alot of fun in most cases. I have (counting this one) 4 major complaints in 10 years, and they are all available for review. thats not a bad record. but I am not working secluded in backwoods Tenn, so our complaints are very public. I understand, and I dont mind discussing these in detail with anyone who asks. I can try, but I cannot make everyone happy. Sometimes its my fault, sometimes its not. In this case, I share blame for certain, and in hindsight the best thing i could have done was hang the telephone up and blocked the number, and never took the job. In the end, I lost money, he lost money, the only one who looks to win on this in JB which is good for him. The car looks like it is being done VERY well and from what I hear its a more than reasonable cost. It will be well worth it once complete.
In closing, there is NEVER any intent to defraud or 'scam' a customer. Make all of the accusations you want, but illegal is illegal and I wouldnt have the rep and business I have if that was my practice. I lay everything out in the open up front before I take a dollar. I have spent months and in some cases years with a customer working with them before I was paid a red cent. Sometimes it doesnt work out. I have recieved emails about this car and how I should have done this and should have done that, and I think of all of the times I have had a business card thrown in my face because I told someone he couldnt afford to build the car he wanted and needed to wait. its a tighrope and I loose on both ends. The only smooth sailing is dead in the middle and it wont always work that way. The constitution doesnt guarantee us the right to life, liberty and the fully restored car of your choice.
Do I think JB should have inspected the car? Yes. Do I think the car should have been built better? Yes. Do I think i somehow owed it to reach into my pocket or my kids savings to build a car for someone who hears me tell them what they need and says no? No.
There was a full professional inspection of the car by a professional of the owners choosing before it ever left my door. And I do warranty what work we do in almost all cases had I been asked and if it had been paid for. Doesnt matter now, but I just want to make sure the record is straight on those few things. There is alot here thats not represented. When it comes to information, I am about as open as you'll ever find someone.
For those that are curious, steps have been taken in response to this mess on my end. I have decided to stop buiding or offering turnkey products. It seems wrong in my opinion, as I'll serve 15 happy customers for ever 1 gripe, but I do listen, and in this case its a good decision. We don't make nearly anything on those cars and its not worth hearing about a mess like this because some guy couldnt listen to his builder or pay for a properly built car. its a tough line to walk between classic restored and these replicas, and its always been a headache, and one I think here on out i could simply do without.
Currently, the best and ONLY place in my opinion to have a General Lee built would be the Smith Bros and I have always and will continue to endorse them. I dont think there would be many that disagree.
JB - Car looks very nice. The shop obviously knows what they are diong, and I wish you the best of luck with it.
To the rest of you, its a VERY good thing to have infromation so readily available. It helps people doing research to decide on where they should go or what tehy should do. I have a current customer who bought a HALPAG car and he could have done with some advice before spending 20-something k only to have to bring it to me to tear down and start over and spend another 30-40k on top of it. But it should be pointed out that research should include personal inspection and direct questioning. Seeing something in person is ALWAYS recommended BEFORE you spend money. forums like this often tend to be shaded one way or the other and often by some people who may mean well but simply do not have all of the information on the subject.
I wish you all Happy Thanksgiving and a Merry Christmas. Thanks again for the time and space.
Quote from: BKautomotive on December 01, 2008, 12:46:37 AM
I would like to make a response here. I havent read everything in this post, and dont think I need to, but its easy to point fingers at a faceless company name and push blame. I just want to make a statement for consideration. I want you to know compaints of any sort are not something I brush aside. They stay with me no matter the reason. And this has been something I have thought about this week.
I started building cars for myself over 10 years ago, and eventually, someone would see one and ask for something, and things go from there. What I do I learned by sitting down, doing it, and screwing up. I have and will conitnue to make mistakes, cant help that, but I can and do learn from them. Someone on this board said something about making 99 bridges and being a bridge builder, one collapses and then its different. thats very true. Its something I learned years ago that I try to live and work by, and I do spend alot of time in most cases screening customers and making sure we both understand what we expect from each other. I do not lie, theres no benifiet to dishonesty, but I cannot read someones mind, I have to take thier word, and do the best with what I am dealt.
The Hemi-General is not a restored car. Its not a half restored car, was never intended to be. Its a cheap replica of a TV car that was modified later with an expensive driveline. In fact, nearly all of the additional costs were things I forced the owner to do to make the care at least halfway decent. There are alot of details left out and twisted in this thread, I read about 15k sandblasting and 20k body shells, which is ridiculous, and its because what I am saying is geting lost by being read in a blurb or my inability to get my point across correctly in this format.
I have been doing this now for a decade. I started by building cheapo sub $10k cars and currently we do work up to the $250k mark. The TV/Movie replicas dont even blip on the screen today when it comes to paying our bills, they cost as much as they bring in, but its where I started and they are alot of fun in most cases. I have (counting this one) 4 major complaints in 10 years, and they are all available for review. thats not a bad record. but I am not working secluded in backwoods Tenn, so our complaints are very public. I understand, and I dont mind discussing these in detail with anyone who asks. I can try, but I cannot make everyone happy. Sometimes its my fault, sometimes its not. In this case, I share blame for certain, and in hindsight the best thing i could have done was hang the telephone up and blocked the number, and never took the job. In the end, I lost money, he lost money, the only one who looks to win on this in JB which is good for him. The car looks like it is being done VERY well and from what I hear its a more than reasonable cost. It will be well worth it once complete.
In closing, there is NEVER any intent to defraud or 'scam' a customer. Make all of the accusations you want, but illegal is illegal and I wouldnt have the rep and business I have if that was my practice. I lay everything out in the open up front before I take a dollar. I have spent months and in some cases years with a customer working with them before I was paid a red cent. Sometimes it doesnt work out. I have recieved emails about this car and how I should have done this and should have done that, and I think of all of the times I have had a business card thrown in my face because I told someone he couldnt afford to build the car he wanted and needed to wait. its a tighrope and I loose on both ends. The only smooth sailing is dead in the middle and it wont always work that way. The constitution doesnt guarantee us the right to life, liberty and the fully restored car of your choice.
Do I think JB should have inspected the car? Yes. Do I think the car should have been built better? Yes. Do I think i somehow owed it to reach into my pocket or my kids savings to build a car for someone who hears me tell them what they need and says no? No.
There was a full professional inspection of the car by a professional of the owners choosing before it ever left my door. And I do warranty what work we do in almost all cases had I been asked and if it had been paid for. Doesnt matter now, but I just want to make sure the record is straight on those few things. There is alot here thats not represented. When it comes to information, I am about as open as you'll ever find someone.
For those that are curious, steps have been taken in response to this mess on my end. I have decided to stop buiding or offering turnkey products. It seems wrong in my opinion, as I'll serve 15 happy customers for ever 1 gripe, but I do listen, and in this case its a good decision. We don't make nearly anything on those cars and its not worth hearing about a mess like this because some guy couldnt listen to his builder or pay for a properly built car. its a tough line to walk between classic restored and these replicas, and its always been a headache, and one I think here on out i could simply do without.
Currently, the best and ONLY place in my opinion to have a General Lee built would be the Smith Bros and I have always and will continue to endorse them. I dont think there would be many that disagree.
JB - Car looks very nice. The shop obviously knows what they are diong, and I wish you the best of luck with it.
To the rest of you, its a VERY good thing to have infromation so readily available. It helps people doing research to decide on where they should go or what tehy should do. I have a current customer who bought a HALPAG car and he could have done with some advice before spending 20-something k only to have to bring it to me to tear down and start over and spend another 30-40k on top of it. But it should be pointed out that research should include personal inspection and direct questioning. Seeing something in person is ALWAYS recommended BEFORE you spend money. forums like this often tend to be shaded one way or the other and often by some people who may mean well but simply do not have all of the information on the subject.
I wish you all Happy Thanksgiving and a Merry Christmas. Thanks again for the time and space.
:popcrn: :scratchchin: :whistling: :whistling: :whistling: :naughty: :scope: :whistling:
hey BK dude.
it costs EXACTLY the same to do a decent weld or to crap out a total ass-weld. it MIGHT take say...an extra 30-40 seconds to do a decent weld.
but yeah i guess at say 60 bucks an hour shop rate or whatever that extra 50 cents of time for each weld is waaaaaaaaaaaaaay too much to expect.
QuoteI have a current customer who bought a HALPAG car and he could have done with some advice before spending 20-something k only to have to bring it to me to tear down and start over and spend another 30-40k on top of it.
Man talk about out of the frying pan and into the fire.
QuoteThe Hemi-General is not a restored car. Its not a half restored car, was never intended to be. Its a cheap replica of a TV car that was modified later with an expensive driveline
Thanks for clearing that up because several of us here thought that it was a fully restored car, and by "cheap" I hope you mean quality and not cost
Bk your posts do absolutely nothing to help your argument. All you do is seem to admit that you know the car was not done right and you sent it out anyway.
He is taking part of the blame and that's a good thing. :yesnod: :scratchchin: I know that I don't ever want to hear anything about BK Automotive making Dukes of Hazzard cars, Batmobiles, A-Team vans, Knight Rider cars or ANY movie cars for that matter. :rotz:----- EVER ! ----- :rotz: And I'm pretty sure that BK Automotive wants this to all go away about now. :rotz: :scratchchin: I'll talk with you later Jeff. :scratchchin: :naughty: :naughty: :naughty: It looks to me that someones a little nervous. :naughty: :naughty: :naughty: :scratchchin: No more turnkey products ? :scratchchin: It sounds to me that he is still going to make these cars but just as a painted roller. :shruggy: Well, we will see about that. :yesnod: :popcrn:
Fiberglass framerails. That pretty much sums up how bad he feels about losing all that money on a 50k body job.
Quote from: Ghoste on December 01, 2008, 05:12:20 AM
Fiberglass framerails. That pretty much sums up how bad he feels about losing all that money on a 50k body job.
yeah, and after all this he still feels he doesn't owe anything. How comical. I don't want his money, and HE is killing his reputation , so I'd say this is working. I don't know what to say, I'm floored right now
As if coming on her hat in hand makes it ok. I think the worst thing about this is that he really thinks he did nothing wrong. Sure, the tone of the last post was a little more humble, but it really looks like he wrote those things because of the perverbial "gun to his head"
Quote from: dkn1997 on December 01, 2008, 07:30:05 AM
As if coming on her hat in hand makes it ok. I think the worst thing about this is that he really thinks he did nothing wrong. Sure, the tone of the last post was a little more humble, but it really looks like he wrote those things because of the perverbial "gun to his head"
I agree. He sounds like he is taking "SOME" of the blame, but this is because of all the bad press. This sounds more like a PR attempt to save some face. Yeah JB should have inspected it better, but for the money BK is saying it cost, there should have been no question it was done and done right. That kind of money gets you a fully restored car lmost anywhere. This just seems like a lame, half-hearted attempt to save whatever reputaion he might have had. :Twocents:
This statement cracks me up, and I'll tell you why.
There was a full professional inspection of the car by a professional of the owners choosing before it ever left my door. And I do warranty what work we do in almost all cases had I been asked and if it had been paid for. Doesnt matter now, but I just want to make sure the record is straight on those few things. There is alot here thats not represented. When it comes to information, I am about as open as you'll ever find someone.
One of the people who have made contact with me, off the forum, was in BK's shop when my car was being "detailed". In fact, one of the "professionals" that were mentioned falls into place during this story. This person asked to check out the "finished General Lee" that was on it's way out the door, after detailing. He said he looked at the car inside/out and underneath. He asked Thomas "how much does something like this go for?", and his answer was "There's only about $55k into this job, it was a low budget build". This person (who asked to remain nameless) couldn't believe what $55k got. He said he was disgusted and was happy that he never had any work done. Anyways, this car was not inspected by a "professional". Brian isn't dead, he just doesn't want to chime into this thread, at this point, but he's filling me in on any/all missing details.
The bottom line is that BK KNOWS this car was built to be the pile of crap that it was and they have NO PROBLEM with it having their name on it. If they DID, they certainly wouldn't be sitting here making excuses as to why the car shipped out like this.
So you aren't selling "turn-key cars" any more. BIG DEAL, it's not the drivetrain that you screwed up, it's EVERYTHING ELSE that you would sell as a "roller". Do yourself a favor, open a Texas Barbecue, burn the rest of the cars you were "working on", and then stick to Ribs. Think of all the money you'll save on Bondo alone!!
BK, I'll ask again, WHY DO YOU NOT FEEL THAT YOU SHOULD MAKE THIS CAR RIGHT? You've admitted that this car is a mess and that it should have been built right, yet you have excuses as to why you shouldn't have to take responsibility. :icon_smile_question: In that case, you've made your bed, now it's time to lie in it...
Quote from: Cozmo on November 30, 2008, 11:41:28 PM
Wow, some good progress made on the car. Are you usuing the same shop that did your paint job on the Z? They did an awesome job on that. :2thumbs:
Yeah, the Vette did come out amazing, but no, it's a different shop. The shop that did my Vette is backed up for 18 months and obviously I couldn't wait... Well, maybe I could have, rear frame rails aren't REALLY needed on a car.. I've been told that they provide NO structural benefit. :smilielol: :smilielol:
Saving face is just what's going on here. I would imagine by now that BK has been contacted by one of my " new friends " From Texas. This is not done BK so don't leave just yet. BK Automotive, What do you mean by turnkey? DO NOT PLAY WORD GAMES WITH US. :nono: If you think you're going to find another loop hole go right ahead. I will find 5 to every 1 of yours. At this point I have no real intrest in your company. :yesnod: I just want to see this resolved and make sure you are finished with these cars. This chain reaction that has been started was done by you and very poor business sense. :rotz: I think that a nonnegotiable offer should be made to you BK. But that's just me. If your company was doing so great and had a great name then 1 car will NOT make or break you. Especially a low budget cheap car as you call it. But the REAL TRUTH here is, YOU and I both know you are hanging by a thin thread. Maybe you don't know, but I'm sure you do. I would have to be a fool to underestimate you. So in theory, you should know as much if not more than I. The only reason you are taking some responsibility now is that you got caught.
I just wanted to say . . .
Damn Chuck! You're all over this one man! :2thumbs: :o :icon_smile_cool:
Quote from: terrible one on December 01, 2008, 11:38:43 AM
I just wanted to say . . .
Damn Chuck! You're all over this one man! :2thumbs: :o :icon_smile_cool:
Oh...... You don't know the half of it. Chuck is THE MAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Oh snaps. :slap: My post got messed up and had double words in it and some of the stuff was gone. :brickwall: :flame: :flame: :flame: So I've got it summed up I guess. I tried to make changes and lost a bunch of what I said. S.O.B. :flame: :shruggy:
All I can say is WOW! :popcrn:
Another short one:
http://knightrideronline.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=65283 :scratchchin:
And another:
http://www.knightregistries.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1494&page=3
The Knight Rider guys sure are having a tough time of them . . . only 4 complaints? Ever? Really?
EDIT:
Another
http://knightrideronline.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6136&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0
Hehe, check out BK's replies there . . . same bullshit!
Quote from: terrible one on December 01, 2008, 12:11:05 PM
And another:
http://www.knightregistries.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1494&page=3
The Knight Rider guys sure are having a tough time of them . . . only 4 complaints? Ever? Really?
EDIT:
Another
http://knightrideronline.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6136&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0
Hehe, check out BK's replies there . . . same bullshit!
WOW!!!!!!!!!!! Good find!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :cheers:
Check out this clip from BK's post "over there":
I don't have time to go into the details, I let my work speak for itself. You like, you buy. You don't, please go somewhere else. Bottom line is you get what you pay for. Julien is alittle mistaken about what he paid for the car to begin with, and left out the facts of having us collect parts, install parts at his request, locate parts at his request, and then refusing to pay for them. He also neglected to mention being refunded $1400 for bodywork/paintwork he chose not to have done. Also, brand new interior got ruined when he requested we find electric window doors, then would not pay to install, so we could not roll the window up. Also neglected to mention he does not return OUR emails when we try to contact him, for several periods up to months at a time.
Also not mentioned is the $300 primer we used on the car and the week of body work done to the car to get it to where it sits now that WAS NOT CHARGED simply because I felt like doing it because the car looks like such a pile and he simply cannot afford to make it very nice.
If all we produced was crap, we would not do work for Wrigley's gum, fortune 500 companies or build one of what is currently the most valuable muscle car on the planet Earth. Everything we do is available for inspection to our customers/friends/relatives/lawyers/ect. We have been in the same location for YEARS, with the same web address and easy to find/use emails addresses and telephone numbers for years. We are not difficult to find and reach.
Our standard payment for vehicles ranges from very bottom-line $20,000 up to $50,000 or more. If you pay anything less, your obviously getting a pile of SH#*. I can't pay for other peopes cars out of my own pocket, its a business and the object of business is for people to pay for thier own work. So his builds go anywhere "up to $50k", yet my $50k car was a "cheap low budget build" :brickwall:
My God, BK Auto contradicts themselves everywhere they turn!! Thank you though, this info will all go to good use!!
One last part of BK's reply I'd like to comment on is this one:
In the end, I lost money, he lost money, the only one who looks to win on this in JB which is good for him. The car looks like it is being done VERY well and from what I hear its a more than reasonable cost. It will be well worth it once complete.
How am I looking to "win"?? I gave you multiple chances to make this whole mess right. I told you if you wanted to contact my shop I'd gladly step aside, and that I'd let everyone know that you did the right thing. You told me I was giving you a ransom note, and that you wouldn't be helping me. So please, explain to me again how I'm winning anything?? Thomas, if you think for a minute that this is over you are sadly mistaken. It would have been SO much better for you, as a company, to simply settle this. Now I'm afraid this will become one of your largest financial downfalls, and you have no one but yourself to blame.
And in closing -- You said that The Smith Bros were the best company to be building a General, yet you say you can make a Sema show car that is "currently the most valuable muscle car on the planet". Shouldn't you know how to do a car right if this is the case? Did you fiberglass the frame rails of your $250k Sema car? If so, maybe the show organizers should be clued in to what their judges are missing :lol:
You tell me "Good luck with the car".. And I say GOOD LUCK WITH YOUR BUSINESS. :cheers: :cheers:
:popcrn:
Quote from: jb666 on December 01, 2008, 12:26:01 PM
Quote from: terrible one on December 01, 2008, 12:11:05 PM
And another:
http://www.knightregistries.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1494&page=3
The Knight Rider guys sure are having a tough time of them . . . only 4 complaints? Ever? Really?
EDIT:
Another
http://knightrideronline.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6136&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0
Hehe, check out BK's replies there . . . same bullshit!
WOW!!!!!!!!!!! Good find!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :cheers:
Check out this clip from BK's post "over there":
I don't have time to go into the details, I let my work speak for itself. You like, you buy. You don't, please go somewhere else. Bottom line is you get what you pay for. Julien is alittle mistaken about what he paid for the car to begin with, and left out the facts of having us collect parts, install parts at his request, locate parts at his request, and then refusing to pay for them. He also neglected to mention being refunded $1400 for bodywork/paintwork he chose not to have done. Also, brand new interior got ruined when he requested we find electric window doors, then would not pay to install, so we could not roll the window up. Also neglected to mention he does not return OUR emails when we try to contact him, for several periods up to months at a time.
Also not mentioned is the $300 primer we used on the car and the week of body work done to the car to get it to where it sits now that WAS NOT CHARGED simply because I felt like doing it because the car looks like such a pile and he simply cannot afford to make it very nice.
If all we produced was crap, we would not do work for Wrigley's gum, fortune 500 companies or build one of what is currently the most valuable muscle car on the planet Earth. Everything we do is available for inspection to our customers/friends/relatives/lawyers/ect. We have been in the same location for YEARS, with the same web address and easy to find/use emails addresses and telephone numbers for years. We are not difficult to find and reach.
Our standard payment for vehicles ranges from very bottom-line $20,000 up to $50,000 or more. If you pay anything less, your obviously getting a pile of SH#*. I can't pay for other peopes cars out of my own pocket, its a business and the object of business is for people to pay for thier own work.
So his builds go anywhere "up to $50k", yet my $50k car was a "cheap low budget build" :brickwall:
My God, BK Auto contradicts themselves everywhere they turn!! Thank you though, this info will all go to good use!!
Haha oh yeah man, no problem. Did you see the pictures of the car?!
http://knightriderta.monsite.wanadoo.fr/page1.html
:o OMG that's atrocious!!
That guy must have been cheap, too!! :lol:
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Quote from: jb666 on December 01, 2008, 12:48:39 PM
:o OMG that's atrocious!!
That guy must have been cheap, too!! :lol:
$13,000 cheap!
"Hello Everybody,
I'm the buyer of this car... I will write the story later. Neps, you can keep the post, it's too late now, the seller knows, and doesn't want to cooperate... For Information the car was paid $13.000. But the value is about $1000, because nothing was done on the car...
The car is really in bad condition, and the seller NEVER send me any picture of the car in 1 year of wait.
For $13,000 I was suppose to get a nice Kitt (minus the dashboard), and now the seller keeps wanting money to complete it. I paid him all up front.
And he said it would be completed in 4 weeks and now it is more than one year later."
Hmmm . . . maybe someone should call and ask if they will sell them some KITT parts?
"Well, Now that Rob Louisell has been given the OFFICIAL license from Universal to produce Knight Rider parts, BK won't be supplying anybody with anything Knight Rider related. All US conversion companies were issued "cease and desist" orders by Universal. If Universal finds that they are still producing parts, the WILL prosecute them! They are also within their legal rights to go in with federal marshals and take their molds. I have heard that they are not playing around. It may take a little while to get everybody, but the hammer is going to drop."
I've seen the car. :eek2: BK, I can't speak for anyone but myself when I say this. RANSOM ? This is not about ransom, it's about doing what's right. :scratchchin: BK, I'll say this so you understand were I'm coming from. :yesnod: You peed in my backyard, :nono: and now I'm going to pee in your yard ! There will be no ransom ! :rotz: :eyes: :coolgleamA: Chuck..........
Like is said long ago, most of the scams are in other countries. :yesnod: They need money to pay for the previous car and so on. BK has no money. :rotz: :scratchchin: Unless you give it to them. :smilielol:
I talked to the owner of the shop doing my work tonight, and we were talking about how BK said how nice the shop is doing on my car, he just said "Gee, coming from someone like him that really means a lot!!"
Yep, he's been watching this thread.
:smilielol:
After reading the KITT car forum Looks like BK has been doing this scamming for years & still getting away with it. Whata shame :rotz: :rotz: :-\ :-\
Quote from: hemi-hampton on December 01, 2008, 07:25:24 PM
After reading the KITT car forum Looks like BK has been doing this scamming for years & still getting away with it. Whata shame :rotz: :rotz: :-\ :-\
What's a shame is that all of those threads didn't come up when I was searching for the dirt on BK before buying this car...
So.....I got a call from a rather large Texas Newspaper reporter today. Gee, I wonder how he found out about this thread. He wants to run a story and said things like this bother him personally. He said I'll need about an hour with him on the phone, but he's gathering some more information & quotes from this thread. :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
Sorry to hear bout your car... Glad its starting to come around...
I got hosed on my engine many years ago when I let a shop do it without researching it. Quoted 5000 to build and install came to 11,000 when done... Fucked up the compression 8:1 instead of 10:1 and other things....
Unfortunetly, with these cars... when lessons are learned its normally very $$$
BK's responses leave me dumbfounded. In two of his responses he admits he hasn't bothered to read the entire thread which I find hard to believe. I ran my own construction company for fifteen years. If I was informed of a thread like this trashing my work I'd be going over it with a fine tooth comb, and threatening legal action for defamation of character.
After reading BK's last reply it is crystal clear to me that this guy is a professional, scam artist that is. I've had the unfortunate pleasure of knowing several contractors who operated like BK. They screwed customers on a regular basis, showed no regret or remorse for the suffering and hardships they caused, never mind the fact these people were all out large sums of money, much more than Brian in some cases. The one common characteristic these contractors all had. They came across as over grown boy scouts when in reality the were wolves in sheep's clothing.
BTW. Skip, remind me never to get on your bad side. Have I told you lately how much I luv ya. ;)
I'm sure BK is lurking right now and has read every word in this thread several times :Twocents: :Twocents:
NHCharger, I'm not that bad. :scratchchin: I'll tell you what I tell everyone. If you've done nothing wrong then you have nothing to worry about. :icon_smile_big: I guess I just don't like liars and thieves. :flame: What can I say. :shruggy: :yesnod:
Well, I gave about 90 minutes to the reporter today.. He's got a TON of facts put together and says there will be a story. The only thing he asked is that I not say where he's from until it's published... I can do that!! :cheers:
Any chance you could reproduce the article here JB? ...Once it's published of course! :popcrn:
Quote from: Cooperman on December 02, 2008, 06:03:06 PM
Any chance you could reproduce the article here JB? ...Once it's published of course! :popcrn:
Oh you can count on that happening!!
Bad Publicity has very little negative effect on these type of people unfortunately :-\
I'm just keeping this thread close to the top so it's easy for guest to find. :2thumbs: I've been watching the who's on line a bit to get an idea of just how many guest are reading it. :2thumbs: Man, there is so many hits. :2thumbs: I'll have an update soon so stay tuned. :2thumbs:
Quote from: hemi-hampton on December 02, 2008, 09:58:54 PM
Bad Publicity has very little negative effect on these type of people unfortunately :-\
Well, they might not effect the people, but it sure will effect the business :cheers:
NO, Not when you just change your business name & location & start all over again. :brickwall:
Quote from: hemi-hampton on December 03, 2008, 07:11:31 PM
NO, Not when you just change your business name & location & start all over again. :brickwall:
True... We'll follow :lol:
Quote from: jb666 on December 03, 2008, 07:20:27 PM
Quote from: hemi-hampton on December 03, 2008, 07:11:31 PM
NO, Not when you just change your business name & location & start all over again. :brickwall:
True... We'll follow :lol:
Moving takes time and money. They will have to lose. It sure wont help them.
I know people that do it all the time, routine for some people. LEON.
Quote from: hemi-hampton on December 03, 2008, 08:36:14 PM
I know people that do it all the time, routine for some people. LEON.
Yes, but the one thing BK has "prided" themselves in is the fact that they've been in business for so many years. HOW, I don't know, but that's what they say!!
Funny thing is I've had more then 4 "complaints" come to me by more than 4 different people.. Blows a hole in that theory :shruggy:
It takes a good lawsuit & a loss to make them change or move, ect. If that never happens they'll just keep doing what they do & you know what that is. LEON.
I'm not surprised! There's a lot of junk on the road from guys trying to make a fast buck in the muscle car and hot rod market. POR15 and Rust Bullet are making millions from the half-ass repair crowd! Paint does not stop rust. Then there's the $100 mig welder owners who dont know how to melt two pieces of metal together. I see this stuff all the time.
Brad
I stopped by really quickly tonight to check the car out (dropping off a few parts) and it's coming along really nice. The driver's side quarter is on, and I wanted to share a couple of pics.. Very clean weld work here!!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_5794Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_5796Medium.jpg)
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More over the next day or two when I get back by the shop. It's so nice seeing all of that rust & Bondo GONE from the car!!
Quote from: jb666 on December 04, 2008, 08:58:44 PM
I stopped by really quickly tonight to check the car out (dropping off a few parts) and it's coming along really nice. The driver's side quarter is on, and I wanted to share a couple of pics.. Very clean weld work here!!
More over the next day or two when I get back by the shop. It's so nice seeing all of that rust & Bondo GONE from the car!!
Damn that is nice work. where is this shop located, what state?
:cheers: looks real good.
:scope: looking good :yesnod: ..... :popcrn:
Looking very good!
Take some detailed pictures of the deck filler panel install please. That is going to be my next project.
Quote from: PocketThunder on December 04, 2008, 09:55:29 PM
Quote from: jb666 on December 04, 2008, 08:58:44 PM
I stopped by really quickly tonight to check the car out (dropping off a few parts) and it's coming along really nice. The driver's side quarter is on, and I wanted to share a couple of pics.. Very clean weld work here!!
More over the next day or two when I get back by the shop. It's so nice seeing all of that rust & Bondo GONE from the car!!
Damn that is nice work. where is this shop located, what state?
Thanks!! The shop is in Mass, about 30 minutes south of Boston.
Quote from: Hemidog on December 05, 2008, 06:13:29 AM
Looking very good!
Take some detailed pictures of the deck filler panel install please. That is going to be my next project.
You've got it!! :cheers: :cheers:
I'm in Mass about 30 miles south of Boston. Would be adverse in posting which shop you are using as I know a couple of the good Mopar shops in the area. No worries if you'd rather not divulge this info though.
Quote from: Bluestar on December 05, 2008, 09:06:18 PM
I'm in Mass about 30 miles south of Boston. Would be adverse in posting which shop you are using as I know a couple of the good Mopar shops in the area. No worries if you'd rather not divulge this info though.
I'll send you some info, if you'd like, but I don't want to put it out here because I'm sure BK Auto's still reading this (because I'm sure by now they've been contacted by the media for a quote, if not very soon) and I don't want them calling my shop and questioning them.
:cheers: :cheers:
I'm pretty sure your shop would stand behind you Jeff,
Ron
I have to admit that this topic is serving 2 purposes now. :yesnod: Getting BK and showing great detail on a rebuild. :2thumbs: JB, Can you give us a ballpark of the cost to have this work done so those watching will know what it takes to do this? ? Thank's. :2thumbs: :popcrn:
Do you tack the BK price on to the front of whatever it costs to correct their "restoration"?
Quote from: Ghoste on December 06, 2008, 01:29:14 PM
Do you tack the BK price on to the front of whatever it costs to correct their "restoration"?
What do you mean? You mean if there was a law suit?
As for the cost of this, I'll update that once the project is complete (before paint) , but let's just say that a couple of times $20k has been put out there.. It'll be well under 1/2 of that amount..
I stopped at the shop this morning, everything's sealed, ready to be seam sealed and coated.. It looks amazing under the car. The passenger's rear quarter should be done early this week , at which point I'll post plenty of pictures.. I am going out of my skin in anticipation of the final product, now.. :cheers: :cheers:
Actually I was trying to be clever but again I fall short. My joke was that you were asked about the costs in the project but many of the costs are associated with work BK did, didn't do, and did but screwed up. Hence is the answer what you pay or what you pay plus what was already paid to BK and became responsible for further costs incurred now.
Quote from: Ghoste on December 06, 2008, 04:03:15 PM
Actually I was trying to be clever but again I fall short. My joke was that you were asked about the costs in the project but many of the costs are associated with work BK did, didn't do, and did but screwed up. Hence is the answer what you pay or what you plus what was already paid to BK and became responsible for further costs incurred now.
(http://domesticmisfits.net/forums/images/smilies/doh.gif) Sorry about that!! I see what you're saying now... If that's the case then my "repair costs" are REALLY high.
It's kind of like the way the government does accounting. You know, what you pay versus what they say things cost versus what they say they "invest" in you versus the amount you actually see come and go from your bank account.
Quote from: Ghoste on December 06, 2008, 04:11:13 PM
It's kind of like the way the government does accounting. You know, what you pay versus what they say things cost versus what they say they "invest" in you versus the amount you actually see come and go from your bank account.
Well, that's another issue in itself.. One that I'm not looking back on.. I'm so deep into this now I'm just looking forward to the finished product (and driving BK into the ground).
I pointed 8 different news stations to this thread in the past 2 days. I'm sure we'll have some 'new visitor's' very soon.
:popcrn:
I'll have a couple of good updates later on. I'm not sure if you contacted someone at the BBB, but I got an email (and then a call) from a supervisor there who is "reviewing several claims against BK", which I was pleased to give information on. Quite a few people have stepped forward.
I don't have a publication date (yet) for the article in the Chronicle, but it's coming... (So I've been told).
Hey JB, here is a video I found on a GL resto I believe by the Smith Bros....now that is a nice job!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gJ47MZkWbM&NR=1
Quote from: 68charger383 on December 09, 2008, 10:30:47 AM
Hey JB, here is a video I found on a GL resto I believe by the Smith Bros....now that is a nice job!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gJ47MZkWbM&NR=1
Oh yeah, those guys are amazing.. I mean come on, would BK recommend them if they weren't?? :lol: :lol:
Any new pictures? :apimp:
Quote from: Cozmo on December 09, 2008, 11:13:28 PM
Any new pictures? :apimp:
Not yet, I'm heading to the shop in the next day or two. I'll have some good shots :2thumbs:
:bump: :popcrn:
I'm headed to see the car tomorrow.. A LOT has been done since my last update... And I just got this email about 5 minutes ago...
I replaced the other sail panel and got the rear filler panel between the window and trunk welded in, wheel opening flanges and quarter flanges are trimmed, corner fillers welded and ground, seamsealed underneath and started undercoating, it looks like a car again
I'll have plenty of pictures!!
Damn, I'm getting excited for ya..... You say this guy is in Mass. huh?? ;)
Quote from: Steve P. on December 12, 2008, 09:19:43 PM
Damn, I'm getting excited for ya..... You say this guy is in Mass. huh?? ;)
Yep, he's about 30 minutes South of Boston , in Hanson Mass.
Oh!! I meant to share an email I got earlier, from the shop owner.. I appears there's a bit more publicity coming this way... I'll get it from my other computer, but he's formerly from Hot Rod magazine and found this thread to be VERY newsworthy...
:popcrn:
Ok, here it is.. I left names out of this for obvious reasons...
He is a freelance writer for a bunch of magazines and racing websites. He asked what I was working on and I told him whats what and sent him the dodgecharger.com link
He asked:
Would it be cool to come by next week sometime and take some photos and get you some free publicity?
I'd run a story on you/your shop, and the stuff you're jamming on now
It's a site that myself, and **** ********** (formerly of Hot Rod), and a silent partner started. We're getting good traffic and the readers would love to see some of that stuff.
Totally your call, but we'd love to have it for the site!
The Charger deal is freaking insane...... Good on you for putting it right. Wow!
I meant to post these when I got them a couple of days ago.. Just another "BK FIX" that'll crack you up.. Leaving vinyl from the old top and the plastic clips under Bondo?? :smilielol:
A quote from the shop:
the roof edge is not rotted, it is buckled because of some patching they did. They didnt patch the entire edge as you can see by the holes, nor did they sandblast the roof or sailpanels. There is still clips with vinyl from the old roof under the plastic
And:
the top is solid, funny thing is the roof was buckled down where they put a patch, on either side of the patch was rot. I stuck the airsaw thru the rot to start cutting the entire section out, as soon as I went the the patch the roof sprung up and split the bondo all the way across, it took most of the buckle out, now its a lot better. If they werent leaning on the roof when the patch went in it would have been fine.
So it's a good thing BK will only be doing rollers from now on.. That's certainly a relief!!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/cid_1520C9E5-C32C-4CDC-8250-1453BA6.jpg)
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Ok, I just got back from the shop, and I have to say, in person the car looks AMAZING. The work is outstanding.. I hope a few of these shots can fairly represent what I saw when I was there...
First, these are a few of the PIECES of the rear window lip.. To represent the thickness of the Bondo back there, I used a quarter... :lol: , it was nasty.. One funny note here, the rear window that was BONDO'D into the car isn't even a Charger rear window (at least not a '69 Charger window). We have no clue what it's supposed to be in , but not this car!!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_5834Medium.jpg)
And yes, this is a PROFILE shot of the mud:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_5836Medium.jpg)
Here are a few more, clips still attached, buried under Bondo:
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If you look close here, you can see the original vinyl top UNDER THE BONDO!!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_5828Medium.jpg)
:eek2:
Thick enough?
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_5826Medium.jpg)
Now the reconstruction begins.. The roof, surprisingly, except for what you see above, was clean metal.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_5837Medium.jpg)
New rear sail panels patched in..
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_5848Medium.jpg)
Passenger's side rear quarter:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_5841Medium.jpg)
Driver's:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_5842Medium.jpg)
A few shots of the undercarriage, which looks absolutely incredible..
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_5832Medium.jpg)
Remember the welds where the new frame rails were attached?? Long gone!!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_5839Medium.jpg)
Other side:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_5845Medium.jpg)
Now why didn't BK do that kind of work for that $59,000 they charged for that body minus drivetrain? :scratchchin: :shruggy: :slap:
Quote from: hemi-hampton on December 13, 2008, 04:12:39 PM
Now why didn't BK do that kind of work for that $59,000 they charged for that body minus drivetrain? :scratchchin: :shruggy: :slap:
But don't worry, they aren't selling "turn-key" cars any more. People all over the world should feel good knowing they can buy a nice solid roller ready for a drivetrain!!
What's the difference what you buy from them. They will still overcharge for crappy work. :flame:
Quote from: General_01 on December 13, 2008, 04:18:35 PM
What's the difference what you buy from them. They will still overcharge for crappy work. :flame:
:lol:
I was being sarcastic. They seem to think the problem with their work is the "turn-key" product. It's with EVERY ASPECT of their work. The only thing they are GOOD at is keeping Bondo in business....
I caught your sarcasm. I just think it is dispicable what some people think good work is. I understand doing it the way they did IF they charged $2,000 for supplies and a paint job. Instead, they charged $59,000 - $12,000(drivline)-$5000(shell)=$42,000 for that kind of work. A$% wipes.
I dont think the Hemi motor was included in $59k price but supplied by owner. Is this correct? LEON.
Actually, I think you are right, beause SD said 70K into the car, so that would have included the drivetrain. Makes them bigger a$% wipes. :flame:
Quote from: General_01 on December 13, 2008, 04:24:33 PM
I caught your sarcasm. I just think it is dispicable what some people think good work is. I understand doing it the way they did IF they charged $2,000 for supplies and a paint job. Instead, they charged $59,000 - $12,000(drivline)-$5000(shell)=$42,000 for that kind of work. A$% wipes.
Leon is right...
Try these on for figures...
$59k WITHOUT THE DRIVETRAIN.
Motor - Almost $20k , supplied by the customer. All in all, Brian had WELL OVER $70k into this car (He thought at one point he was close to $90k!!!).
$5k shell? They charged him $25K FOR THE SHELL! And this was "discounted" down from $35k which is their standard price JUST FOR THE SHELL.
It is NOT just the shoddy workmanship. Nor is it the cost. It's ALSO the fact that they let this rolling death trap out of their building and call it drivable!!!!!
I absolutely think what they did with this car is criminal. They lead their customers to believe that these cars are ready for the road the same way a Ford or GM or Chrysler dealership would.
I truly hope that this thread makes it around the World and everyone that has bought a vehicle from BK will inspect it closely or take it to a qualified automotive inspector right away.
Quote from: Steve P. on December 13, 2008, 04:35:03 PM
It is NOT just the shoddy workmanship. Nor is it the cost. It's ALSO the fact that they let this rolling death trap out of their building and call it drivable!!!!!
I absolutely think what they did with this car is criminal. They lead their customers to believe that these cars are ready for the road the same way a Ford or GM or Chrysler dealership would.
I truly hope that this thread makes it around the World and everyone that has bought a vehicle from BK will inspect it closely or take it to a qualified automotive inspector right away.
Funny you'd say that. My BK car ownership count (that's contacted me) is up to 6. 4 of those people immediately brought their cars in for a full (paid) inspection. I am waiting to hear back from them.. It's amazing how people like them (and Brian) don't want to come and participate,but have said they'd "do anything they can to help". Oh well, I guess everyone helps in their own way. In the meantime, these people have given statements in writing to my lawyer, and once the inspections are done there will be more evidence. If a class action lawsuit goes off like we're talking about, BK will be no longer. Will this stop them from re-opening under a new name? There's no way to stop that.. But I can promise you I will follow them into the gates of Hell if that's what it takes.
And you are right, what they did truly was CRIMINAL.
Some people just dont want to rock the boat & keep a low profile under the radar. :scratchchin: :shruggy:
Quote from: hemi-hampton on December 13, 2008, 04:41:44 PM
Some people just dont want to rock the boat & keep a low profile under the radar. :scratchchin: :shruggy:
Brian has been very helpful, even though he won't come here..
with all the 69 chargers out there why would someone spend another fortune fixing this patched up rust bucket? :popcrn:just curious
Jerry, you obviously didn't read the whole thread.
Most of this wasn't discovered until it was too late to turn back.
sorry, just asking.
It's ok. With this car PANDORA'S BOX comes to mind. :lol:
I don't know what you said about decals, whether you are painting them on or buying a sticker kit but a member is selling the whole set for a very reasonable price shipped.
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,51081.0.html
Car looks great BTW!!! :2thumbs: Looks like this shop is about to have its 15 minutes of fame. :cheers:
Quote from: mikepmcs on December 14, 2008, 06:33:57 AM
I don't know what you said about decals, whether you are painting them on or buying a sticker kit but a member is selling the whole set for a very reasonable price shipped.
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,51081.0.html
Car looks great BTW!!! :2thumbs: Looks like this shop is about to have its 15 minutes of fame. :cheers:
thanks!! The shop deserves it's time
As for the decals, I just sold my set yesterday, here.
:lol:
JB,
That sticker set, where did you originally get it? I need that specific General Lee script(font)
I have a set that I just put on my car and will stay there because they were a gift from Jim Shine, but I wouldn't mind having a spare set with the likeness of the 05' movie.
thanks
Mike
Quote from: mikepmcs on December 14, 2008, 10:35:20 AM
JB,
That sticker set, where did you originally get it? I need that specific General Lee script(font)
I have a set that I just put on my car and will stay there because they were a gift from Jim Shine, but I wouldn't mind having a spare set with the likeness of the 05' movie.
thanks
Mike
Mike, to be totally honest with you, I don't know.. They came with my car, and since I'm having my graphics painted on, I knew I wouldn't need them any more.. Someone on a GL site said they were from Jake, but I can't confirm this... One guy said they must be Tony's because I didn't have the crossflags in my kit.
:cheers:
I wish I knew someone that was in the area of BK's "shop"..
It makes me wonder, is the sign still up? :lol:
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Quote from: jb666 on December 14, 2008, 11:50:27 AM
I wish I knew someone that was in the area of BK's "shop"..
It makes me wonder, is the sign still up? :lol:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/glg171.gif)
You mean their bondo distribution warehouse? :shruggy: :D
Quote from: WingCharger on December 14, 2008, 11:51:07 AM
Quote from: jb666 on December 14, 2008, 11:50:27 AM
I wish I knew someone that was in the area of BK's "shop"..
It makes me wonder, is the sign still up? :lol:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/glg171.gif)
You mean their bondo distribution warehouse? :shruggy: :D
It's been in front of us this entire time... BK Auto stands for BONDO KING AUTO... :brickwall:
Bondo King. :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol:
Now that's funny.
Now you know where all the hours of work put into their cars comes from. It takes a long time to shape a block of bondo into the form of a car. :smilielol:
Woah! Thats really gay id get pissed off to the max! Good Luck with it.
Quote from: Ghoste on December 14, 2008, 05:42:55 PM
Bondo King. :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol:
Now that's funny.
:smilielol: :smilielol:
JB666...after reading this topic, i was stunned
i saw this post on the dutch Mopar forum, i own a 68 charger and live in The Netherlands
just wanted to wish you good luck with all off this 'and the car is in better hands now.....Nice Job!
i hope the bastard gets what he deserves... almost want to say the chair :o i did
don't know if there are any other dutchies on here, but just to let you know the story reached www.mopar.nl (Holland)
Greetings
Jans
Dutch Mopar Division
Quote from: dodgefever1968 on December 15, 2008, 05:21:05 PM
JB666...after reading this topic, i was stunned
i saw this post on the dutch Mopar forum, i own a 68 charger and live in The Netherlands
just wanted to wish you good luck with all off this 'and the car is in better hands now.....Nice Job!
i hope the bastard gets what he deserves... almost want to say the chair :o i did
don't know if there are any other dutchies on here, but just to let you know the story reached www.mopar.nl (Holland)
Greetings
Jans
Dutch Mopar Division
Welcome to the site!!! :cheers:
The Skip68's ;)
Quote from: dodgefever1968 on December 15, 2008, 05:21:05 PM
JB666...after reading this topic, i was stunned
i saw this post on the dutch Mopar forum, i own a 68 charger and live in The Netherlands
just wanted to wish you good luck with all off this 'and the car is in better hands now.....Nice Job!
i hope the bastard gets what he deserves... almost want to say the chair :o i did
don't know if there are any other dutchies on here, but just to let you know the story reached www.mopar.nl (Holland)
Greetings
Jans
Dutch Mopar Division
:wave: hello & welcome Jans :cheers:
:wave:
Quote from: dodgefever1968 on December 15, 2008, 05:21:05 PM
JB666...after reading this topic, i was stunned
i saw this post on the dutch Mopar forum, i own a 68 charger and live in The Netherlands
just wanted to wish you good luck with all off this 'and the car is in better hands now.....Nice Job!
i hope the bastard gets what he deserves... almost want to say the chair :o i did
don't know if there are any other dutchies on here, but just to let you know the story reached www.mopar.nl (Holland)
Greetings
Jans
Dutch Mopar Division
Welcome, Jans!! I'm glad to see this is making it's way around the world...
And things are about to get quite a bit more interesting.. You die-hard guys should recognize this site??
http://www.freiburgersjunkyard.com/blog/General-Lee-Clone-Total-Butchery.html
:popcrn:
Here's a clip of the article on their home page:
It's one of those message board threads that gains steam overnight and goes totally viral. We know that's going to happen with this 30-page tome over at DodgeCharger.com. The funny thing is we're going to have the first hand inside line on this car for you in a couple of days.
Here's the deal.
A guy from the board bought a General Lee from a private seller down South who had paid a "professional" shop to build it for him. It ran the original owner nearly $100,000 for the build, which, outwardly, provided a good looking example of the iconic car.
Owner number two scored the car for what was a killer price and then took it home to enjoy. He got to do that exactly once before taking the car into a great shop that's nearby our East Coast office here in the 'burbs of Boston, Mass. The owner was looking to have the rollbar looked at.
Once Jon Sandahl of Tube Chassis Designz did that, he called in the owner of the car and started showing him the level of butchery involved with the entire car. The "rollbar" was tack-welded to the floor and was apparently built of exhaust tubing. Amazingly, that's not even close to the worst thing discovered. Rotted rear framerails coated in fiberglass? Yes. Reverse lights grounded to the gas tank? You bet! Sounds like more of an accurate movie-car clone than the guy was banking on.
The good news is that Jon is one of the most talented fabricators and builders we've ever met. Normally he works on small-tire drag cars, alky Funny Cars, and other chassis work for racers. Restoring cars like this is not his normal line of work, but we're excited for him as this thing is going to be a work of art once he's done. It's pure coincidence that we had contacted him about a week ago about heading down to his shop to shoot photos and bring you some neat info on some of his projects. He told us about the Charger and frankly we can't wait to see this thing in person!
Hit the DodgeChargers.com thread here and grab a cup of coffee or a beer and read the 30 pages of pretty amazing stuff, complete with photos of the hackery. The guy who built the car even responds a few times.
To his credit, the current owner has not gone completely nuts, instead taking the tact that he got the car for a good price and he's now having it finished by a very capable guy.
Look for an update on this right here on FJY.com by the end of this week!
Hey Jeff, I'm going to try and get some more dirt on here soon so stay tuned. Did you get in touch with my friends in Texas ? :icon_smile_big: I've got a few more tricks up my sleeve. :naughty: :naughty: :naughty: :naughty: :naughty: :whistling: Keep those pics coming. :2thumbs: It's funny how I've done so much for someone I've never met and got nothing in return. :rotz: So do me this one favor, send me a piece of junk pulled from your car that BK Automotive "fixed" and we can call it even. :2thumbs: Just the size of a penny will do. :icon_smile_big: :cheers: Chuck........
Quote from: skip68 on December 15, 2008, 10:11:41 PM
Hey Jeff, I'm going to try and get some more dirt on here soon so stay tuned. Did you get in touch with my friends at the Texas State Controllers office ? :icon_smile_big: I've got a few more tricks up my sleeve. :naughty: :naughty: :naughty: :naughty: :naughty: :whistling: Keep those pics coming. :2thumbs: It's funny how I've done so much for someone I've never met and got nothing in return. :rotz: So do me this one favor, send me a piece of junk pulled from your car that BK Automotive "fixed" and we can call it even. :2thumbs: Just the size of a penny will do. :icon_smile_big: :cheers: Chuck........
You've got it, Chuck, there's PLENTY of those...
In fact, I've got something better I can send you.. I'll send you a PM. I think you'll be happy!!
And don't think for ONE SECOND that I don't appreciate everything you've done -- It's far more then I ever would have expected.. :cheers: :cheers:
I did contact your friend at the Controller's office, I'm waiting for some news back now... I was also contacted today, by an attorney who "saw this message board" that wanted to represent me in a case against BK... VERY interesting people that come here, I must say that.. Why? He wanted to do it 100% free of charge. :o
Stay tuned, the pictures will keep rolling in.
Lookie, Lookie! :scratchchin: I wonder who the message sender was????? :scratchchin: :scratchchin: :scratchchin: :nana: :D
http://www.yelp.com/biz/bk-automotive-houston
Quote from: skip68 on December 16, 2008, 12:29:59 AM
Lookie, Lookie! :scratchchin: I wonder who the message sender was????? :scratchchin: :scratchchin: :scratchchin: :nana: :D
http://www.yelp.com/biz/bk-automotive-houston
That's great!! What I'd like to see, now, is how many sites OUTSIDE THE US word is spreading about BK.. Mainly because so many of their scams are shipped outside of the US to people who have no leg to stand on.
I also got word this morning that BK (Burger King) has a new perfume out that smells like The Whopper(nasty!!). If BK(Bondo King) ever got really desperate, they could come out with their own Bondo scented perfume line, I'm sure it would sell like wildfire!!
:cheers:
One thing id like to mention, he says "DodgeChargers.com" thread, it should say "DodgeCharger.com" :2thumbs:
Quote from: FLG on December 16, 2008, 10:08:29 AM
:cheers:
One thing id like to mention, he says "DodgeChargers.com" thread, it should say "DodgeCharger.com" :2thumbs:
Good catch! Fortunately, it's a hyperlink directly to the thread/forum, but I'll mention that to him now.
I've posted the link on our UK Mopar forum
http://www.moparuk.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=289290#289290
Quote from: FLG on December 16, 2008, 10:08:29 AM
:cheers:
One thing id like to mention, he says "DodgeChargers.com" thread, it should say "DodgeCharger.com" :2thumbs:
I caught it too. That (S) sticks out like a sore thumb... Funny how you could easily miss diner, but a little s can slap you right in the mug... :slap:
Well, I got a call tonight (from the shop) that the entire rear window area is done..
Get this -- The rear window BK installed in my car was ground down to fit.. They used so much bondo building up the rear window area that the window no longer fit.. So they took 1/2" off the window :o
Needless to say, new rear glass has been ordered... :popcrn:
EDIT-- I accidentally put in 2" and meant to type 1/2"..
Oh that's real nice.. How would you like to be the poor person behind that car doing 60 down the highway when that back glass comes flying back at you??
Just plain CRIMINAL......... :rotz:
Quote from: Steve P. on December 16, 2008, 05:54:48 PM
Oh that's real nice.. How would you like to be the poor person behind that car doing 60 down the highway when that back glass comes flying back at you??
Just plain CRIMINAL......... :rotz:
Considering the bondo was holding the window IN, too, makes it even better... The only thing the black adhesive was holding in was the chrome trim, which had no clips -- It was literally glued to the car.
How about the poor person behind me when my gas-tank decided to let go? Or when both of my rear shocks just fall off the car and go flying?? The best would have been my "reconditioned" ball joints flying off as I do 60. Either way, it wouldn't have been pleasant to be behind me. :brickwall:
Quote from: jb666 on December 16, 2008, 05:50:48 PM
Well, I got a call tonight (from the shop) that the entire rear window area is done..
Get this -- The rear window BK installed in my car was ground down to fit.. They used so much bondo building up the rear window area that the window no longer fit.. So they took 2" off the window :o
Needless to say, new rear glass has been ordered... :popcrn:
better get a molding also
Quote from: moparstuart on December 16, 2008, 05:58:30 PM
Quote from: jb666 on December 16, 2008, 05:50:48 PM
Well, I got a call tonight (from the shop) that the entire rear window area is done..
Get this -- The rear window BK installed in my car was ground down to fit.. They used so much bondo building up the rear window area that the window no longer fit.. So they took 2" off the window :o
Needless to say, new rear glass has been ordered... :popcrn:
better get a molding also
Coming with the new glass :cheers:
Anyone need one slightly used, tinted, shaved down rear window from a freshly restored '69 Charger? I'll sell it cheap!! :icon_smile_big:
That could be a good glass for someone in the hot at needs a fairly flat glass to chop. Are you sure it is short and the problem isn't that they added two inches of roof?? :scratchchin: Just kidding. I know at some point we all need to laugh. I would be absolutely hysterical if the car was mine...
I must say that I think you are handling this pretty well, considering. I on the other hand, might be jailed by now....
Quote from: jb666 on December 16, 2008, 06:03:08 PM
Quote from: moparstuart on December 16, 2008, 05:58:30 PM
Quote from: jb666 on December 16, 2008, 05:50:48 PM
Well, I got a call tonight (from the shop) that the entire rear window area is done..
Get this -- The rear window BK installed in my car was ground down to fit.. They used so much bondo building up the rear window area that the window no longer fit.. So they took 2" off the window :o
Needless to say, new rear glass has been ordered... :popcrn:
better get a molding also
Coming with the new glass :cheers:
Anyone need one slightly used, tinted, shaved down rear window from a freshly restored '69 Charger? I'll sell it cheap!! :icon_smile_big:
helpig could use it , they like the bondo
Quote from: moparstuart on December 17, 2008, 10:25:45 AM
Quote from: jb666 on December 16, 2008, 06:03:08 PM
Quote from: moparstuart on December 16, 2008, 05:58:30 PM
Quote from: jb666 on December 16, 2008, 05:50:48 PM
Well, I got a call tonight (from the shop) that the entire rear window area is done..
Get this -- The rear window BK installed in my car was ground down to fit.. They used so much bondo building up the rear window area that the window no longer fit.. So they took 2" off the window :o
Needless to say, new rear glass has been ordered... :popcrn:
better get a molding also
Coming with the new glass :cheers:
Anyone need one slightly used, tinted, shaved down rear window from a freshly restored '69 Charger? I'll sell it cheap!! :icon_smile_big:
helpig could use it , they like the bondo
One conversation I was having with Thomas, I asked him to "say hi to his buddy Hans for all of us". He says "I dont know anyone named Hans".. Well, SOMEONE taught him how to be a master Bondo Technician :slap:
All the Charger world needs now is for someone to do for HLPAG what jb666 & skip68 have done for BK Automotive! :2thumbs:
Well, let me get the ball rolling then. There are a few lurkers on this site now that can run with this one i'm sure.
Have at it boys and gals.
Tony Silva's Charger from Hans and the boys in Lake VIlla, Illinois. 19 pages.
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,3692.0.html
Sorry to hijack JB but, I'm gonna use your thread to possibly draw some negative attention towards HLPAG, which stands for Hans Luedtke's Performance Auto Group
http://www.hlpag.com/
Just type in HLPAG in google and you'll need to go no farther.
GO get em' Chuck and J.
Thanks for the hijack
v/r
Mike
I know where you're coming from, Mike, but HLPAG is already associated with CRAP, JUNK, GARBAGE cars.. Hell, when I was first looking for a GL, I Googled HLPAG and found hundreds of complaints about HLPAG coming from all over the world... I never saw anything like it, and I ran the other way.. Right into a BK car.... :brickwall:
I really think HLPAG and BK should be categorized together as crooks. They both rip people off for a living and they both continue to do so without any legal recourse.. (Until now). HOW they are both still in business I'll never know..
I would call them invited guest's and not lurkers. :icon_smile_big: The problem with HLPAG is they are a little smarter than BK is. They are a bit more legit than BK is as well. :yesnod: But, they still need some looking into. :yesnod: The best thing to do with HLPAG is to set them up. :naughty:
I'm not sure I'd find a lot of what Hans does to be any more legit either, at least not his marketing methods.
I posted this on abodiesonly a little while ago.
I still can't believe this. :'(
Very very true. :yesnod: But, Hans is better at the fine print and how he says it than BK. Remember, it's not what you say it's how you say it. :yesnod: HLPAG needs to be looked into but it will be more challenging than BK is. I just don't have the time it would take to make the right waves with Hans. :'( Chuck..........
Quote from: skip68 on December 17, 2008, 06:41:04 PM
Very very true. :yesnod: But, Hans is better at the fine print and how he says it than BK. Remember, it's not what you say it's how you say it. :yesnod: HLPAG needs to be looked into but it will be more challenging than BK is. I just don't have the time it would take to make the right waves with Hans. :'( Chuck..........
Hlpag will get theirs someday. somehow.....
Wait until you see today's abomination... Jon took the shifter assembly out of the car.. If you want to call it that. Welded scrap metal, all cut up, rusted... And those are the finer points. I'll post a couple of pictures in a few minutes, in the meantime, check this out.. This is the front driver's fender.. GREAT job on the undercoating, huh?? Gotta love the overspray that's everywhere, too...
The front fenders are going in the trash pile too, along with the hood.. They are horrible.. Painted over rust holes, visible patches..
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_5866Medium.jpg)
Actually, as bad as you think those fenders are, someone on this site might really need them and be willing to do the work to make them drivers. Don't be too hasty on the trashpile thing. I just got rid of my wrecked fenders to a guy here in Maine for his nostalgia series race car.
One mans trash is another mans treasure, IMHO.
v/r
Mike
Quote from: mikepmcs on December 17, 2008, 07:46:00 PM
Actually, as bad as you think those fenders are, someone on this site might really need them and be willing to do the work to make them drivers. Don't be too hasty on the trashpile thing. I just got rid of my wrecked fenders to a guy here in Maine for his nostalgia series race car.
One mans trash is another mans treasure, IMHO.
v/r
Mike
Oh, don't worry, I won't just toss them.. I realize someone here could use them, and if that's the case, they are theres!! I'm not looking for anything for parts like that.. I also have a hood that'll be coming off before the repaint..
Hang on, pictures are coming... :popcrn:
Hey everyone,
My name is Brian Lohnes. I'm the guy from Freiburger's Junkyard.com who wrote the item on the car. I'm a freelancer for a few car mags and one of the three dudes behind www.freiburgersjunkyard.com
I talked to Jon last Saturday night as we were at the same racing function and he was filling me in on the car and this story. It's amazing in that really bad kind of way.
I'm headed down to Jon's workshop on Friday to take a bunch of high-res photos of stuff. I was headed there to zap photos of some race cars he is working on, but then this all came down the pipe and...yowza! Anyway, as JB has said multiple times and I said in my piece, Jon is definitely the guy to put things right here. It's a rare day when one gets to expose what appears to be some insanely shoddy work and at the same time help promote the work of a truly talented craftsman.
A big ol' honkin' gallery of photos and stuff from Jon will be posted over at freiburgersjunkyard.com on Friday night or sometime over the weekend. JB said that when the spring rolls around we'll do a complete road test on the new and improved piece. I'm looking forward to that moment of triumph for him!
Thanks for having me here!
Brian
hello & welcome Brian :wave: :cheers: .....
Quote from: Brian Lohnes on December 17, 2008, 08:25:45 PM
Hey everyone,
My name is Brian Lohnes. I'm the guy from Freiburger's Junkyard.com who wrote the item on the car. I'm a freelancer for a few car mags and one of the three dudes behind www.freiburgersjunkyard.com
I talked to Jon last Saturday night as we were at the same racing function and he was filling me in on the car and this story. It's amazing in that really bad kind of way.
I'm headed down to Jon's workshop on Friday to take a bunch of high-res photos of stuff. I was headed there to zap photos of some race cars he is working on, but then this all came down the pipe and...yowza! Anyway, as JB has said multiple times and I said in my piece, Jon is definitely the guy to put things right here. It's a rare day when one gets to expose what appears to be some insanely shoddy work and at the same time help promote the work of a truly talented craftsman.
A big ol' honkin' gallery of photos and stuff from Jon will be posted over at freiburgersjunkyard.com on Friday night or sometime over the weekend. JB said that when the spring rolls around we'll do a complete road test on the new and improved piece. I'm looking forward to that moment of triumph for him!
Thanks for having me here!
Brian
Brian, Welcome! I'd like to thank you for taking the time out of your schedule and doing everything that you've been doing to help the cause. You have no idea how much something like this helps. You can count on that Spring time victory lap.
Here's Jon's find for the day.. Does anything look odd here? :brickwall:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_5867Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_5868Medium.jpg)
Like the use of the fender shim here??
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_5869Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_5870Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_5871Medium.jpg)
The shifter cable.. Shimmed in all it's glory:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_5854Medium.jpg)
same great welding as on the frame connectors :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol:
no way .. :o :o :o :o:o.. :rotz: surly it would have been quicker & easier get one out of a junk yard :hack: .... :popcrn:
Quote from: moparstuart on December 17, 2008, 08:33:46 PM
same great welding as on the frame connectors :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol:
Oh yeah, it's awesome.. Check it out, close up..
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_5875Medium.jpg)
And the nice clean cuts..
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_5873Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_5872Medium.jpg)
Quote from: tan top on December 17, 2008, 08:38:30 PM
no way .. :o.. :rotz: surly it would have been quicker & easier get one out of a junk yard :hack: ....
Yes, but that might have cost BK $10 and that was out of the question, they weren't getting paid enough to do that! Come on man!! :slap:
Quote from: jb666 on December 17, 2008, 08:40:32 PM
Quote from: tan top on December 17, 2008, 08:38:30 PM
no way .. :o.. :rotz: surly it would have been quicker & easier get one out of a junk yard :hack: ....
Yes, but that might have cost BK $10 and that was out of the question, they weren't getting paid enough to do that! Come on man!! :slap:
yep your right :yesnod: how silly of me i did not think :slap:
Quote from: tan top on December 17, 2008, 08:43:02 PM
Quote from: jb666 on December 17, 2008, 08:40:32 PM
Quote from: tan top on December 17, 2008, 08:38:30 PM
no way .. :o.. :rotz: surly it would have been quicker & easier get one out of a junk yard :hack: ....
Yes, but that might have cost BK $10 and that was out of the question, they weren't getting paid enough to do that! Come on man!! :slap:
yep your right :yesnod: how silly of me i did not think :slap:
It's ok, but tonight, I started to put together Chuck's gift box.. Guess what'll be in it to remind him of all his hard work :rofl:
I wish I took a picture of what Jon found UNDER my center console.. What a nightmare. I'll see if he can shoot me a picture of it..
remember that 10.00 might steal food out of his poor starving childrens mouths . You know 50 k just doesnt go very far :smilielol:
What the hell is this sh*~ I'm not a welder but I've done it a few times and I can do better than that. Why did BK even bother with this? They could just buy a clean driver For $15k paint it orange and add decals and sell it for twice the money and do nothing. And, they would have a good name, make money and give the customer a good car. These Guys are ---------- :eyes: I can't even begin to imagine what kind of drugs are going through this tweeker. If I didn't know better I would call you a liar Jeff. :icon_smile_big: There is just no way a shop could do this much Sh*% to one car. :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: MAN, I bet they did spend tons of time on it. Because you know, It takes 10x longer to do something if you are tweeking and don't know what you are doing. :smilielol:
Quote from: skip68 on December 17, 2008, 08:51:06 PM
What the hell is this sh*~ I'm not a welder but I've done it a few times and I can do better than that. Why did BK even bother with this? They could just buy a clean driver For $15k paint it orange and add decals and sell it for twice the money and do nothing. And, they would have a good name, make money and give the customer a good car. These Guys are ---------- :eyes: I can't even begin to imagine what kind of drugs are going through this tweeker. If I didn't know better I would call you a liar Jeff. :icon_smile_big: There is just no way a shop could do this much Sh*% to one car. :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: MAN, I bet they did spend tons of time on it. Because you know, It takes 10x longer to do something if you are tweeking and don't know what you are doing. :smilielol:
HEY! Don't knock your Christmas present, man!! This thing had better be proudly displayed on your mantle piece for everyone to see!! :RantExplode:
Oh, I forgot to post a couple of shots of Jon's latest work. The entire area around my rear window is done. In person, it looks awesome.. It's solid!!!!!!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_5860Medium.jpg)
Both upper and lower panels are in and looking really nice, especially compared to what came out of there:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_5863Medium.jpg)
Remember??
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/IMG_2390Medium.jpg)
I was just going to say get one at the junk yard. Who in the hell would do this? :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: And I like his comment about money from his pocket. :flame: That money in his pocket and for his kids came from his customers. ( Brian ) :flame: Like I said before BK, you peed in my backyard and now I'm going to pee all over your yard. Chuck...........
Welp, now that the cat's out of the bag, I may as well share something VERY cool with you.. You have to see some of the work that's come out of Jon's shop to get an idea as to why I'm so excited about this project:
http://www.tubechassisdesignz.com/
:cheers:
OH MY GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
NOW I HAVE SEEN EVERYTHING...................................
I think I would be buying a very large enclosed trailer and everything removed from that concoction would be inside labeled and fastened to a board. You could be paid by the promoters to bring it to the shows like the Hemi Under Glass. Only you could have the incredible pile of Rot and bad welds under BONDO. "BEFORE AND AFTER" Maybe you should be filming all of this unveiling. I am watching this day after day and I just CANNOT BELIEVE the scoundrels actually accepted money for this work.
I think someone should drag BK to a big show and let everyone there stone him... An eye for an eye is too good for this thief.
GOOD FREAKIN' LORD!!! :o :o :o :o :o :o :o
Im 14, and I can make welds with less slag than that on rusted hay binds!!! :flame: :flame: :flame: :flame: :flame: :flame: :flame: :flame: :flame:
Oh, Welcome Brian!
It's good to know they are training the blind in metal working careers... quit knocking 'em for that!!
I emailed BK tonight and asked them if they had seen the forum lately, and told him that EVERY SINGLE PART he put into this car was a complete joke.. Here's his response :lol: You guys will love this.
----- Original Message -----
From: BK Automotive LLC
To: JB666
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 10:15 PM
Subject: Re: re:
Why on earth would you be emailing me?
Again,
I did what I was paid to do. You didnt buy a car from me, you didnt pay me to build the car your way. If there were things you wanted done, I am not REQUIRED to do them because you want them or even because you and I both think they are a good idea. If you would have asked in the first place, no I wuoldnt have done everything for free, but I am sure we would have worked something out. I really dont care what you have to say. I just delivered a $150k car to a customer who couldnt be happier. Why is that? because I make a habit of building crap cars? or because he spent the money it needed and did what was required to make a great car?
Your a great example of the types of customers I need to avoid. Want things for less than they cost, expect to get top dollar deals at bottom dollar prices and somehow things its someone elses responsability to make it happen. All of these cheapskates who want to make noise about how perfect a car should be are the same people who balk when you give them the bill. everyone wants quality, not everyone can afford it and somehow thats my problem?
You didnt buy a car from me. You didnt ask me to do any work. You bought somenoe elses problem and want to blame someone and I am an easy target. This is pretty cut and dry for anyone who can think for themselves.
Its true that someone in this whole thing is doing something wrong, but I dont think you'd ever admit it. you've never been in my shoes to see the other side. You werent here when the car was being built so I wouldnt expect you to know. But I do know, I know everything that happened, in great detail, so I can lay this before God and sleep knowing I did more than anyone else would have in the same circumstances, I put up with alot to hold my end and try to get him what he wanted in spite of everything. I did more than my fair share. I am not saying it was 100%, there might have been things to repair under warranty, no car done that cheap is perfect, but I was never given the chance, so thats not even something we can discuss is it?
I think you need to appreciate what you have alittle more and enjoy life a bit. Its just to short to be an asshole.
BK Automotive LLC
www.bkauto.net
713.996.9655
This is my favorite part:
I am not saying it was 100%, there might have been things to repair under warranty, no car done that cheap is perfect, but I was never given the chance, so thats not even something we can discuss is it?
Before this post ever started I gave him the chance. His answer?? Ship it back to me at your expense and we'll look it over..
Yeah, let me rush out and send the car back to the same butcher shop that "built it". :smilielol:
:o
I took the advice and "Googled" HLPAG:
http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&VideoID=6757056
http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.channel&ChannelID=28717404
You should have asked him why did he provide a car that was junk? Why did he not buy a more solid roller. And WHY IS HE STILL USING A REVOKED L.L.C. ? And, is he reporting the $150,000 ? Because we are. Thank you BK. :slap:
Quote from: skip68 on December 17, 2008, 10:42:41 PM
You should have asked him why did he provide a car that was junk? Why did he not buy a more solid roller. And WHY IS HE STILL USING A REVOKED L.L.C. ?
Beat ya to it.. :lol:
----- Original Message -----
From: JB666
To: bkautomotive@sbcglobal.net
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 10:37 PM
Subject: Re: re:
And please, stop bringing God into the subject, like you suddenly care about anyone but yourself. Ask yourself one thing -- How do you build a car for $70k+ and send it off not being the LEAST BIT SAFE. Every corner of this vehicle that you touched, you butchered. I don't care if a customer puts $10k or $100k into a car, BUILD IT SAFELY. You want to talk about God, maybe you should ask for His forgiveness for your sins. Ripping people off certainly won't get you a seat in Heaven.
Oh my god, so if you payed 100k more, he might have welded the shifter bracket properly? What a JOKE! :smilielol:
Wow JB,
the shop you have it at now is doing some amazing work. :2thumbs:
Quote from: Cozmo on December 17, 2008, 11:03:10 PM
Wow JB,
the shop you have it at now is doing some amazing work. :2thumbs:
Hey, thanks Larry.. You've been very supportive of this entire ordeal :cheers:
BK, READ CLOSE. :slap: This whole thing IS NOT about money. :slap: I don't care if it was a 1 billion dollar resto or a 5 dollar resto. :slap: That is a MUTE subject. :slap: You took money for work that you claim you did and clearly as seen in these pictures the work WAS NOT DONE as you said it was. What part of this don't you understand ? ? ? I see that you are on here reading, would you care to explain this ? Of course you don't. :rotz: Because you can't. :rotz: And would you like to share with us WHY you are still claiming to be an L.L.C. when your L.L.C. was REVOKED ? I'll do it for you. It's because you like to make people think that you are legit. :rotz: Would you like to share with us all the problems I've found with other old customers of yours ? :rotz: I'm sure it's all their fault and they are just cheap and can't afford the work that you do. :rotz: And Jeff bought someones problem ? Would you like to share with us ( that don't think for ourselves ) were this problem came from ? :slap: This stuff about God is too much. :rotz: True, in the end you will be judged by him. :yesnod: But until that day comes, you sir will be judged by us. :yesnod: And don't give us that crap about feeding your kids or taking money away from them. I could care less about your kids. :rotz: Your kids eat because of the money you take from people like Brian. :yesnod: I am going to do everything I can to make an example of you. :yesnod: This is going to be one mess you can't cover with fiberglass or bondo. And since you are so smart, I'm going to leave it at that. I have nothing more to say to you sir. Thank you for your time and have a nice day. Chuck...........
Not sticking up for BK but I know where he is coming from with the cheapskates, Only differerance is my cheapskates want to spend $10k on a rust bucket not $59k. All I know is for $59k for just rolling chasis I could of & would of done a show job. How does BK explain it getting fixed with a much better quality job for much less money & why couldn't BK done the same :shruggy:
Hey guys,I'm new here and I just found this posting in Freiburger's junkyard. All I have to say is,WOW!! Anybody who puts that kind of work out there should be shot!! That is some terrible work,and for that Bk guy to try and justify the cost of that kind of work is just WRONG!!! Reading this post from the begining just left me shaking my head. Now i restore cars for a living,been doing it for quite a while now and I would never put work out like that. As far as doing what the customer wants only goes so far,my name is on that car and I'll be damn sure to make sure it is done right,if they dont like it then there are other hack shops out there that can do the work not me. Seeing how this car was done is actually kind of funny,we had a 70 Cuda in the shop done out in Texas by a "E-body" specialist,and I had to redo all the work on the car he did and then some. Its a shame that there is guys out there that pull stuff like this and give us resto guys a bad name. Hop on over to our website and check out our work,I'm currently doing a 71 Challenger convertible that was a mess. Well Jb at least you have a good guy workin on your car now and the progress looks great! And man is he givin you the hook up!
Kevin
Welcome Kevink70. :cheers: Nice work you do there. :cheers: :2thumbs:
Thanks! :icon_smile_big: Oh and i had to chuckle when that BK character said that the rear frame rails werent that important,when I had the framerails out of that Challenger the body sure did wanna sag, and I had it supported too! And I about fell out of my chair when I seen those welds on the shifter :smilielol:
Quote from: skip68 on December 18, 2008, 12:26:51 AM
Welcome Kevink70. :cheers: Nice work you do there. :cheers: :2thumbs:
:iagree: hello & welcome Kevin :wave:
Welcome Brian and Kevin :wave:
Hey the good thing is, you found out where that pesky fender shim and AN fitting went to. See, and you thought they just forgot to put them back in, can't have any left over parts now can we.
You wouldnt get away with that type of work over here in Australia..Your shop would be closed up and you would be out of busines.
Your doing a good job on fixing the car up.
What I'm being told, now, (BY Bondo King) is that I'm being unreasonable... That I'm not being fair, and that Brian "got what he paid for". I can't fathom the thought that someone who sent $55k to a company can be seen as a "cheapskate", but that's the case here, apparently.
this quote really gets me:
What makes me most angry is that you think I intentionally did something. As if I took money for something and then didnt spend the time or money, and instead bought a boat or something else shady. your just flat mistaken. I spent every penny and more on that car, I cant help that it still wasnt enough.
So, this car saw $20k+ in body work? Fiberglassed frame rails? Promises of new rear quarters, but instead GOBS of Bondo?? That's a shop doing what they were paid for??
How about this quote, from a recent message:
I have nothing to be ashamed of because I didnt do anything wrong. We can both agree that the car wasnt built right and we'll both be glad to see it as a real and finished car, but your just wrong to make the argument that I should have paid for what he couldnt and now hold me accountable in the court of public opinion because I am just an easy target. I havent fought back because I dont think I need to, I'll let you say what you want because I think people can hear what you say, and then if they want they can visit me in person and make thier own opinions.
People HAVE gone by there, and they've compared BK Auto to a junkyard, with rusted out corpses sitting in the yard waiting for the next sucker. BK didn't do anything wrong?? From a legal standpoint, building a car that will not pass a safety inspection in ANY state is wrong. But just because he wrote, in his contract "This car should be inspected before it's driven on the road, we could have missed something here or there, please check everything!", that covers you legally and morally?? I think not.
So it all boils down to this........
I really wish you would have called me before buying it, or went and saw the car first, saved us both a headache. I have been in that position myself, and it never feels good, but thats in the past now. I think what you are doing is wrong, not because of what you want to show, but your portrayal in wholey inaccurate and I think anyone who knew the truth would agree.
Had I called them BEFORE they built this car, he would have warned me not to buy it. They built it, but they'd have to tell me to stay away from it. Does this make any sense? Do you see anything on their "restoration web page" that says the car was built wrong? That the owner was being "cheap"? No, it puts the car up on a pedestal and makes it look like a job well done.
I have not had ONE PERSON approach me, here or in person, and say "Well, it's not THAT bad", or "They are right, the original owner is to blame, he's cheap". No, they hear what BK took to build this car and they can't believe the product that was delivered. It's disgusting..
Quote from: Cozmo on December 17, 2008, 11:03:10 PM
Wow JB,
the shop you have it at now is doing some amazing work. :2thumbs:
That shop does look pretty nice. I cant imagine how fast their golf carts go.... :icon_smile_big: :drive:
:scratchchin: Well wait just a minute. BK said a long time ago that this car was inspected and he himself (BK) looked the car over and drove it at 60 mph with no problems and it was safe. :scratchchin: The reason he will let us say what we want is simple, because we are right. :2thumbs: Why don't you fight back BK? :smilielol: :smilielol: I think in the next week things will get even better for BK. :whistling:
Quote from: skip68 on December 18, 2008, 11:27:44 AM
:scratchchin: Well wait just a minute. BK said a long time ago that this car was inspected and he himself (BK) looked the car over and drove it at 60 mph with no problems and it was safe. :scratchchin: The reason he will let us say what we want is simple, because we are right. :2thumbs: Why don't you fight back BK? How about trying to get us for slander? ? ? :smilielol: :smilielol: I think in the next week things will get even better for BK. :whistling:
GOOD POINT! BK DID say that he personally inspected AND DROVE this vehicle and it was a solid driver.. now he's telling me it was never sold with the intention of it being driven. I'm dizzy...
I've followed the entire thread. $55k + Motor. I'd say for a build budget of roughly half of the price less motor ($27.5K) a decent shop could buy a pretty darn good roller, clean up the details and add the General Lee flavor. This would still leave a gross margin of 50% on the car. From what I've seen, this guy would be lucky to have 1/4 of the sell price into the car which makes for a large gross margin on the job. From the re-work pictures posted the initial car couldn't have cost more than $3-4K. We know, no new sheetmetal was added unless you count the stuff that made up the shifter mount and the rot patches.
Maybe he pays his employees really really really really really really really really really really really good. The guy doing the welding has to be worth at least 3 or 4 hundred dollars an hour just for the comedy he provides.
^^ I agree as far as comedy goes, but Butt King is a crook, and he knows it. I am sure his welding guy gets 8 bucks an hour, even the biggest asshole knows those welds are crap. And clearly BK fits that description. Just a thought, if he steals from one, he steals from all....
Quote from: Ghoste on December 18, 2008, 05:51:56 PM
Maybe he pays his employees really really really really really really really really really really really good. The guy doing the welding has to be worth at least 3 or 4 hundred dollars an hour just for the comedy he provides.
I have a suggestion for his welders though.. He could probably get a better quality weld if he turned his gas on. :shruggy:
Somehow, through out all of this, no on here knows what they are talking about and I am the a-hole.. I just don't get it.. BK "knows" the car didn't leave the way it's being shown in the pictures, so they aren't sure who's lying...
:brickwall: I give up!!! I couldn't create this crap if I wanted to!!!
I'd bet he told his workers it's just a Quicky used car lot $5,000 job so hurry & rush it. Do you really think he'd tell the employers it's a $59,000 job & then tell them they got a week to bondo & paint it while he pays them illegal mexicans $5 bucks a hour :scratchchin: :-\
It's also very possible that he has a couple of 6 year olds working as body repair people and welders.
I wonder if any of his employees have seen this thread and if so what they think??
I must say I WOULD pay to see all this crap...
Also I think BK must stand for BURGLAR KING.
Quote from: Steve P. on December 18, 2008, 09:28:21 PM
I wonder if any of his employees have seen this thread and if so what they think??
I must say I WOULD pay to see all this crap...
Also I think BK must stand for BURGLAR KING.
:lol:
Don't feel bad, I am paying to see all this crap. :icon_smile_big: , but if you'd like, I have PLENTY of spare parts to pass around.. Chuck's getting a nice care package too :popcrn:
I would keep ALL the evidence. Pics. of everything before it's removed as well..
Quote from: Steve P. on December 18, 2008, 09:38:31 PM
I would keep ALL the evidence. Pics. of everything before it's removed as well..
Oh, I have pictures from the first time it was off the trailer in my driveway until the last phase of the current project.. I have boxes of parts in my garage that came off this car with before/after pictures...
For example, just tonight I was told the car couldn't have been leaking fuel, because "all new gaskets were put into this car sealing the tank perfectly to the filler neck"..
As Jim Carey would say, REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEALLY??
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_5658Large.jpg)
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Pictures are worth 1,000 words.
And I have to say, what a nice clean area they cut to put the filler tube through..
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Damn, that's what a 70,000 dollar resto will get you? :eek2:
And this guy has the nerve to argue anything? JB I truly feel awful for you, everytime I think it's getting better you scrape off another layer. At least we know after you're through, it will be for real.
One more thing that really takes the cake is that BK comes on a Charger forum and thinks he knows more than us about Chargers and building them. :smilielol: Like how much it cost to build a General Lee. :smilielol: The other thing that pisses me off is this. :flame: BK went and took the time to completely strip this car, blast it, and then not fix it correctly. :flame: And Brian footed the bill. :shruggy: Why would you waste that time and money? :slap: And if Brian's budget was not enough for this car do to the repairs needed, BK as the seller should have got another car that did not need all that metal work. :rotz: BK could have got a solid roller for $5,000-$8,000 and made a nice GL and still made money and a good name. :yesnod: I know how much money it takes to make a General Lee and it's not that much. :yesnod: :eyes:
Quote from: teamroth on December 18, 2008, 11:18:05 PM
Damn, that's what a 70,000 dollar resto will get you? :eek2:
And this guy has the nerve to argue anything? JB I truly feel awful for you, everytime I think it's getting better you scrape off another layer. At least we know after you're through, it will be for real.
Yeah, it sure will!! I'm getting really excited because I'll FINALLY have the car of my dreams with no worries of the back end falling off while I drive down the road.
The photoshoot happened this morning, at the shop, so later tonight we should be seeing a new group of pictures and a nice write-up...
:cheers:
Here is my, I guess personal, opinion:
I personally believe that jb666 GOT SCREWED.
If you were to take out what happened post jb666 buying that car, just think.
BK Auto built a car, that was not only built unsafely, but was built to standards and quality the muffler shop in my town could do better.
Bondo'd frame rails??
Rusting gas tank straps??
If somebody pays somebody else to build a car, and the builder knows its not enough to build a solid, safe car, then tell them, or at least build to the point when the money runs out, and stop. Don't cut corners that could kill somebody, or at very least screw somebody over in the future like what happened to jb666. And then there is the question of BK Auto contradicting themselves several times to try to appear to be innocent.
When it comes to the frame rails, angle iron is cheap, and it could have been boxed to look OK, and still keep the rear end out of the trunk. :scratchchin:
The gas tank straps could have been made out of any type of metal stripping. :scratchchin:
This, in the end, isn't just somebody getting screwed over, its a question of safety.
What jb666 ended up getting was a rolling project car, with a crate engine.
Just my :Twocents:
Quote from: jb666 on December 19, 2008, 03:17:53 PM
Quote from: teamroth on December 18, 2008, 11:18:05 PM
Damn, that's what a 70,000 dollar resto will get you? :eek2:
And this guy has the nerve to argue anything? JB I truly feel awful for you, everytime I think it's getting better you scrape off another layer. At least we know after you're through, it will be for real.
Yeah, it sure will!! I'm getting really excited because I'll FINALLY have the car of my dreams with no worries of the back end falling off while I drive down the road.
The photoshoot happened this morning, at the shop, so later tonight we should be seeing a new group of pictures and a nice write-up...
:cheers:
Awesome!! I am very excited for you. I also respect the fact that you are going after these guys. What BK fails to understand is that you're not after the money, which creates a much worse problem for him. I hope they shut him down. That and you getting exactly what you want out of your car. :cheers:
You hit the nail on the head there Teamroth. :yesnod: When you have a company like BK that is clearly in the wrong and a victim like JB that can't be bought, You've got a bad problem. :yesnod: BK is going to be up against a wall and have no choice but to deal this mess. :yesnod: The 12th hour has past. :rotz: This will open BK up to other problems as well. :smilielol: This guy from BK automotive is super smart isn't he. I bet that he is sooooo dumb that he has no idea of what's coming. :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: Chuck...........
Skip, no doubt about it. JB is dream client, and BK's nightmare. I am just very shocked that they haven't faced legal ramifications prior to this....
Thad
Well, today the rest of the undercarriage (all the way to the front) was seam sealed and undercoated.. You'd NEVER be able to tell frame rails went into this car, not to mention anything else under there. It looks GREAT!!!
This was done using a seam sealer spray gun, to replicate the factory coating:
The shine is the flash:
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I fully agree that BK did wrong and should be shut down. But every time i see another piece of the mess being unveiled, i can't help but think where is the owner during this build? did he not see the car after it was blasted? Was there a written quote on the job? If so, did he not get suspicious when the price kept going up? Did he not stop in unannounced to check the work that was being done? How could you not see a exhaust pipe roll bar tack welded to the floor? :shruggy:
Quote from: Back N Black on December 19, 2008, 06:28:01 PM
I fully agree that BK did wrong and should be shut down. But every time i see another piece of the mess being unveiled, i can't help but think where is the owner during this build? did he not see the car after it was blasted? Was there a written quote on the job? If so, did he not get suspicious when the price kept going up? Did he not stop in unannounced to check the work that was being done? How could you not see a exhaust pipe roll bar tack welded to the floor? :shruggy:
The owner was in Maryland, the builder was in Texas. Brian CLAIMS that any time he called BK to question them, they'd threaten to put a lein on the car if he didn't pay his bill.
Why he's not posting here, I have no clue, but I can't force him.
As for the exhaust pipe roll bar, well that was a horrific mess.
Oh, this is what was found when the console was removed from the car.. New floors??? WTF?!?!? It's no wonder it was so damned hot inside that car!! Not to mention the noise...Where's the attention to detail here???
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BTW, I was told that ALL WELDING on this car was done by a "wyotech certified chassis engineer". What the Hell are they teaching there these days, and I wonder if this is how they'd like their company name being used... Might have to drop them a line...
:popcrn:
If you can prove he said that then yes, I think they should definitely know it.
BK figured thats nothing a little carpet couldn't fix, I mean hide. :hah:
Quote from: Ghoste on December 19, 2008, 06:43:52 PM
If you can prove he said that then yes, I think they should definitely know it.
Done. A call to Wyotec was just made. A manager got on the phone immediately and took the information and the link to this thread. He said this is NOT how they want their name being used and they are known for work on OCC, NOT THIS.
:cheers:
Also, to finish seam sealing and undercoating the entire floor section, they went to remove the fuel line.. It was nice and easy since all they had to do was cut the tie wraps.
The Lokar kickdown linkage was mounted on a flimsy sheet metal bracket and not adjusted correctly (which can kill a 727 pretty quickly!). The cable itself was bolted to a fabricated SHEET METAL tab that would flex when ever the shifter was moved.. Explains why there was no first gear...
The part that scares me the most is they haven't made their way up to check out the engine install, yet... What the Hell are they going to find up there.
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Let's just hope they find the (bought and paid for), HEMI..................
Luckily nobody slamed that shifter into gear to hard or they could be holding that shifter in there hand after it broke lose :icon_smile_dissapprove:
Quote from: hemi-hampton on December 19, 2008, 07:24:58 PM
Luckily nobody slamed that shifter into gear to hard or they could be holding that shifter in there hand after it broke lose :icon_smile_dissapprove:
I was told
"So what, it's not pretty, it worked, didn't it? It held together, didn't it?"Actually, no, it wasn't bolted down to the floor. It DIDNT work, because I had no first gear..
So :brickwall:
I was just about to ask. How is the Hemi? I'm scared to find out the answer. Best of luck man!
Thad
Quote from: teamroth on December 19, 2008, 07:28:45 PM
I was just about to ask. How is the Hemi? I'm scared to find out the answer. Best of luck man!
Thad
So aren't I!! He's checking out the install next.. Then doing a leak-down test. I'm praying that's all fine.
:shruggy:
What brand of undercoating was used on it?
That stuff looks really nice.
Quote from: 1hot68 on December 21, 2008, 12:12:12 AM
What brand of undercoating was used on it?
That stuff looks really nice.
It does!! These pictures do it no justice, but the undercoating looks GREAT, and gives it that factory finished look!!
I'll find out the brand of the undercoating and I'll let you know. Here are a few more shots.. The car has the exhaust & rear end back - It's finally starting to look like a car again!!
Here you can see the e-brake cable going in through the new sub frame connectors.
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Look ma, no rot!
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A LITTLE bit nicer looking then my original inner quarters!!
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BEFORE:
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This is awesome:
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Compare to:
Check out the beautiful patch jobs here:
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And finally, the whole undercarriage all the way to the front has been completed!!
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Looks like somebody forgot to drill the plug hole & put a plug in it on lower trunk extension. Besides that looks real nice :2thumbs: LEON.
Quote from: hemi-hampton on December 21, 2008, 12:45:32 PM
Looks like somebody forgot to drill the plug hole & put a plug in it on lower trunk extension. Besides that looks real nice :2thumbs: LEON.
That would be me.. I didn't want any holes in this thing that weren't absolutely necessary.. Do they really matter?? This car will never see bad weather.
As for the undercoating, here's the answer I just got:
the factory look comes from spraying 3M sprayable seam sealer and then going over it with 3M rubberized undercoating
BTW, how do you like this shift arm?? Sorry for the crappy picture, but you get the idea.. This thing is HORRIBLE!!
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Is there any part of that car they didn't butcher?
Quote from: Ghoste on December 21, 2008, 03:41:13 PM
Is there any part of that car they didn't butcher?
Ummm.. Lemme think.. Ummm... Air pressure? No, wait, that was even off... Ummm....
Can I get back to you on that, it may require some thought.
Right side inner headlight. :D
Quote from: Ghoste on December 21, 2008, 03:41:13 PM
Is there any part of that car they didn't butcher?
Only the parts they didn't touch. :lol:
Quote from: Steve P. on December 21, 2008, 05:40:13 PM
Right side inner headlight. :D
Nope, that was blown out :lol:
Actually, I can't really think of anything that either didn't need replacing or wasn't hacked.. :shruggy:
Quote from: jb666 on December 21, 2008, 07:00:17 PM
Quote from: Steve P. on December 21, 2008, 05:40:13 PM
Right side inner headlight. :D
Nope, that was blown out :lol:
Actually, I can't really think of anything that either didn't need replacing or wasn't hacked.. :shruggy:
the more i keep looking at this car ..i can't believe what they have done :brickwall: ..... .....
whats worrying me now is looks like they had the oil pan off the HEMI & changed it out for a milodon 7 qrt ... wonder if they used the correct pick up .... or utilized a drinking straw :scratchchin: sorry for sounding sarcastic but , every thing these guys have done is just ****
its looking real good under there now JB ..that 3m spray sealer is good ... used it many times before .
:slap: Like I said before Jeff, I bet the seat belts are nice. :smilielol: :scratchchin: The horn button looked good too. :yesnod: :scratchchin: :scratchchin: I would check that rear end and make sure it's from Strange. :yesnod:
That's just insane, I guess the paint and bondo were new so his customers should be grateful for that. Hey BK, the next time you're lurking on here, I'm curious, do you actually even know one single thing about cars or auto repair? Just one?
Quote from: Ghoste on December 21, 2008, 07:19:20 PM
That's just insane, I guess the paint and bondo were new so his customers should be grateful for that. Hey BK, the next time you're lurking on here, I'm curious, do you actually even know one single thing about cars or auto repair? Just one?
The rear end is definitely Strange, we checked that out..
As for the oil pan, I have an invoice for the new pan and pickup.. SUPPOSEDLY Chrysler shipped the motor with the wrong pan, so I was told.. :slap:
Anyways, the car's got killer oil pressure, that's about all I can say.. Jon's an amazing motor guy too, so he's going to be giving it the once-over.. The only thing that concerns me is if Bondo can be used as a solid set of motor mounts :shruggy:
Well, NOW I'm a little bit pissed off.
This entire time I've been justifying this entire project by saying "it's all body related, the car is excellent mechanically...."
Well, I was wrong.. Today Jon was adjusting the new shifter, and he noticed some slop in the arm that goes into the transmission. He said the entire valve body is shot, and the tranny needs to come out.
Quote from: jb666 on December 22, 2008, 12:29:29 PM
Well, NOW I'm a little bit pissed off.
This entire time I've been justifying this entire project by saying "it's all body related, the car is excellent mechanically...."
Well, I was wrong.. Today Jon was adjusting the new shifter, and he noticed some slop in the arm that goes into the transmission. He said the entire valve body is shot, and the tranny needs to come out.
:brickwall: :brickwall: :brickwall:
I saw that one coming. 727's are easy to burn up if they are not set up correctly. The good news is they are not that expensive to have rebuilt. Maybe changing your handle to jb777 might help. :D Seriously though, don't get discouraged. That car will rock :punkrocka:
Quote from: Go Hogs Go on December 22, 2008, 02:17:10 PM
I saw that one coming. 727's are easy to burn up if they are not set up correctly. The good news is they are not that expensive to have rebuilt. Maybe changing your handle to jb777 might help. :D Seriously though, don't get discouraged. That car will rock :punkrocka:
Yeah, so won't my bank account.....
Luckily, Jon has a friend that owns a shop who can go through this, build it, dyno it and ship it back, but I'm just really discouraged that this has touched my drivetrain. There has not been a single aspect of this car that there hasn't been a problem..
What scares me is that the engine hasn't' been looked at yet....
Quote from: jb666 on December 22, 2008, 02:24:11 PM
What scares me is that the engine hasn't' been looked at yet....
Hopefully it's not a first generation built motor. :misbehaving:
Quote from: 472 R/T SE on December 22, 2008, 02:40:29 PM
Quote from: jb666 on December 22, 2008, 02:24:11 PM
What scares me is that the engine hasn't' been looked at yet....
Hopefully it's not a first generation built motor. :misbehaving:
It was built in 2006, from what I was told. I have no proof either way because Brian "couldn't find his receipt :brickwall: for the motor"
Check this out.. There's at least 1/4" of freeplay here...
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Don't worry about the engine. I'm sure it's fine. Even if it's not the thing hasn't run enough to cause any major damage. Just take it easy when you get it on the road. I would check to make sure the engine has the 7 qt. pick-up. They came with 5qt. pans. One thing you can do is cut the oil filter open and see how much metal is in it. That will give you a good idea on the health of your engine.
Well, I've had a few hours to cool down.. I was really ripping this afternoon, but now I'm (once again) relieved that this will be done right. When will it end though?!?!?
Quote from: jb666 on December 22, 2008, 09:03:25 PM
Well, I've had a few hours to cool down.. I was really ripping this afternoon, but now I'm (once again) relieved that this will be done right. When will it end though?!?!?
I'm sorry to be the one to break it to you, but, they are never finished... :brickwall: :icon_smile_big: :icon_smile_big:
Just finished readin' all 36 pages in one sittin'.
WOW uh huh. :o
Wyotech certified welders? Maybe he meant Wynotech. Or Waxtech.
BK Automotive? Maybe he should be called Elmer's Automotive.
And I don't think there's as much Bond-O as you say. I think it's paper mache' uh huh.
It looks like at some point, sickdawg ran into $flow problems, and mighta' told BK just get it so he could drive it home. And at that point, BK had him over a barrel yup. And judgin' by how much of the work shows any degree of 'quality', I'm guessin' the point at which sickdawg's $flow problem started, is the day before he met BK uh huh.
Hemi 472? Wow. Looks like if someone dropped hammer, the rear woulda' wound up the the rest of the car like a string.
And that Michael Jackson domelight gig.
Law of the land BK:
No stuff allowed.
(http://www.herzogbr.net/images/butt/nobull.gif)
Quote from: jb666 on December 21, 2008, 03:38:27 PM
BTW, how do you like this shift arm?? Sorry for the crappy picture, but you get the idea.. This thing is HORRIBLE!!
Yeah, I'm going to go ahead and bring the noise all high-res like. I saw the car on Friday. Jon's doing some awesome work, but Jasus. You don't need me to tell you. The last 36 pages have done it for me.
Here's the "custom" shifter arm. Yikes.
UH HUH, YUP :scratchchin:
Quote from: BKautomotive on December 01, 2008, 12:46:37 AM... Do I think i somehow owed it to reach into my pocket or my kids savings to build a car for someone who hears me tell them what they need and says no? No.
Never fails nope.
Do it for the children uh huh...
I bet your kids are grubbin' pretty good with $60k in the pocket huh?
pffft.
And post up that Crayola Scamtech weldin' cert, huh?
Dude. Better git yerself some asbestos undies, and some SPF nuclear, cause I'm bettin' there's a toasty resort with reservations waitin' for ya'. And some striped duds in the hoosegow too uh huh.
Quote from: jb666 on December 21, 2008, 03:31:42 PM
Quote from: hemi-hampton on December 21, 2008, 12:45:32 PM
Looks like somebody forgot to drill the plug hole & put a plug in it on lower trunk extension. Besides that looks real nice :2thumbs: LEON.
That would be me.. I didn't want any holes in this thing that weren't absolutely necessary.. Do they really matter?? This car will never see bad weather.
As for the undercoating, here's the answer I just got:
the factory look comes from spraying 3M sprayable seam sealer and then going over it with 3M rubberized undercoating
Thats exactly what we already use! .....It looks nice but I was hoping youre guy found a 1 step process, But oh well! Thanks for the info!
Quote from: Brian Lohnes on December 22, 2008, 11:33:37 PM
Quote from: jb666 on December 21, 2008, 03:38:27 PM
BTW, how do you like this shift arm?? Sorry for the crappy picture, but you get the idea.. This thing is HORRIBLE!!
Yeah, I'm going to go ahead and bring the noise all high-res like. I saw the car on Friday. Jon's doing some awesome work, but Jasus. You don't need me to tell you. The last 36 pages have done it for me.
Here's the "custom" shifter arm. Yikes.
Brian, I'm really looking forward to seeing your article.. Your pictures should tell quite the story. To say this entire ordeal has been frustrating would be like saying we got a few "flurries" this past weekend (we got 20"+). I really would just like it to be over,but it seems that just when we think we're nearing the end, something else comes up that is just more unbelievable then the last thing..
So far the ONLY things that haven't been a problem?
The exhaust system
The rear end
I hope this list grows... :popcrn:
Quote from: jb666 on December 23, 2008, 12:34:35 PM
Quote from: Brian Lohnes on December 22, 2008, 11:33:37 PM
Quote from: jb666 on December 21, 2008, 03:38:27 PM
BTW, how do you like this shift arm?? Sorry for the crappy picture, but you get the idea.. This thing is HORRIBLE!!
Yeah, I'm going to go ahead and bring the noise all high-res like. I saw the car on Friday. Jon's doing some awesome work, but Jasus. You don't need me to tell you. The last 36 pages have done it for me.
Here's the "custom" shifter arm. Yikes.
Brian, I'm really looking forward to seeing your article.. Your pictures should tell quite the story. To say this entire ordeal has been frustrating would be like saying we got a few "flurries" this past weekend (we got 20"+). I really would just like it to be over,but it seems that just when we think we're nearing the end, something else comes up that is just more unbelievable then the last thing..
So far the ONLY things that haven't been a problem?
The exhaust system
The rear end
I hope this list grows... :popcrn:
For What it's worth Jeff...Open up that Rear end and make sure its right, I'd also dig into the Hemi a little bit as well, hopefully it's all good.
Ron
Quote from: Big Sugar on December 23, 2008, 01:57:37 PM
For What it's worth Jeff...Open up that Rear end and make sure its right, I'd also dig into the Hemi a little bit as well, hopefully it's all good.
Ron
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I tend to agree with you :cheers: :cheers:
The one thing Jon and I were joking about was how good the exhaust system looked. They nailed that part, just everything directly above it was a problem.
So if I am remembering right the motor is supposed to be a crate 472 Hemi straight from Chrysler or was it built by somone?
Brian
Quote from: Brian Lohnes on December 23, 2008, 02:43:34 PM
The one thing Jon and I were joking about was how good the exhaust system looked. They nailed that part, just everything directly above it was a problem.
So if I am remembering right the motor is supposed to be a crate 472 Hemi straight from Chrysler or was it built by somone?
Brian
Yeah, I know, the exhaust is beautiful. I later learned this was subbed out.
As for the motor, yes, it's a crate 472. I've been told, on more then one occasion, that this motor arrived at BK from "the builder" with the wrong oil pan, so they swapped it (and the pickup). Brian had mentioned once that it had a cam, but there is NO PROOF that this motor has been apart, so I think it's a "bone stock" crate motor, as Chrysler built it. Until it's dyno'd, I can't verify either way.
Hmmmm....
Tough call on what to do with the motor. The "arrived with the wrong oil pan" story gives me some chills due to the rest of the stuff that went on with this thing.
Is it worth pulling the motor apart just to check the clearances, and verify it is what it was claimed to be? Tough call as you are already neck deep into the car. Not knowing enough about these crate motors to make an informed judegement I guess I'd have to ask a question to the board.
Is there a way to clearly ID one of these motors as a factory crate engine? My father in law has a NICE GTX with a 440 in it. The motor was a factory replacement bought in 1996 by a previous owner and carries a 1978 casting number. Is this the same type deal with the Hemis?
What was said about the trans when you bought the car? New/rebuilt etc?
FB builds some BOMB PROOF stuff so you're in good hands there. Jon runs one of their pieces in his car. Not sure if any of you guys have seen Jon's racer but it's an 8 second small-tire Nova that is wickedly bitchin'. Even for a Chevy... :icon_smile_wink:
Brian
Quote from: Brian Lohnes on December 23, 2008, 03:45:29 PM
Hmmmm....
Tough call on what to do with the motor. The "arrived with the wrong oil pan" story gives me some chills due to the rest of the stuff that went on with this thing.
Is it worth pulling the motor apart just to check the clearances, and verify it is what it was claimed to be? Tough call as you are already neck deep into the car. Not knowing enough about these crate motors to make an informed judegement I guess I'd have to ask a question to the board.
Is there a way to clearly ID one of these motors as a factory crate engine? My father in law has a NICE GTX with a 440 in it. The motor was a factory replacement bought in 1996 by a previous owner and carries a 1978 casting number. Is this the same type deal with the Hemis?
What was said about the trans when you bought the car? New/rebuilt etc?
FB builds some BOMB PROOF stuff so you're in good hands there. Jon runs one of their pieces in his car. Not sure if any of you guys have seen Jon's racer but it's an 8 second small-tire Nova that is wickedly bitchin'. Even for a Chevy... :icon_smile_wink:
Brian
I was told my transmission was a "high dollar rebuild" and that the torque converter was a "high performance 3500 stall converter". The converter is an off the shelf passenger car converter and we now know what the transmission ended up like.. I don't care if there was anything that needed adjustment, a transmission doesn't burn out with 40 miles on it... IMO, this thing was toast when it went in. It shifted like a dog and barely wanted to go into 3rd (and the fluid was fine, all the way up and not burnt).
As for the motor, hopefully Jon can pull some #'s off of it and some people here can help out with their knowledge... The last thing I want to do is have to yank the motor and send it off the be 'rebuilt', that would be the straw that breaks the camel's back......
And Jon's car... WOW :o , he certainly builds some amazing stuff!!!!!!! :coolgleamA:
Identifing a crate Hemi engine is easy. Facing the engine there is a pad just to the right of the thermostat housing on the block. If it is a crate engine the pad should be bare metal, not painted, and have the numbers 472 stamped into the metal on the pad.
Quote from: Go Hogs Go on December 23, 2008, 04:16:09 PM
Identifing a crate Hemi engine is easy. Facing the engine there is a pad just to the right of the thermostat housing on the block. If it is a crate engine the pad should be bare metal, not painted, and have the numbers 472 stamped into the metal on the pad.
That is there, yes.
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Yeah, I know, the exhaust is beautiful. I later learned this was subbed out.
As for the motor, yes, it's a crate 472. I've been told, on more then one occasion, that this motor arrived at BK from "the builder" with the wrong oil pan, so they swapped it (and the pickup). Brian had mentioned once that it had a cam, but there is NO PROOF that this motor has been apart, so I think it's a "bone stock" crate motor, as Chrysler built it. Until it's dyno'd, I can't verify either way.
I don't understand the "cam" part. The 472 already comes with a cam that is way too aggressive for the valvetrain MP provides with the engine. We had to put a smaller cam in my 472 crate to correct the geometry and keep the lifters from wearing out the valvestems prematurely. The picture of your Hemi in the crate shows it also has the correct oil pan from MP.
Quote from: Go Hogs Go on December 23, 2008, 04:40:51 PM
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Yeah, I know, the exhaust is beautiful. I later learned this was subbed out.
As for the motor, yes, it's a crate 472. I've been told, on more then one occasion, that this motor arrived at BK from "the builder" with the wrong oil pan, so they swapped it (and the pickup). Brian had mentioned once that it had a cam, but there is NO PROOF that this motor has been apart, so I think it's a "bone stock" crate motor, as Chrysler built it. Until it's dyno'd, I can't verify either way.
I don't understand the "cam" part. The 472 already comes with a cam that is way too aggressive for the valvetrain MP provides with the engine. We had to put a smaller cam in my 472 crate to correct the geometry and keep the lifters from wearing out the valvestems prematurely. The picture of your Hemi in the crate shows it also has the correct oil pan from MP.
That's what I'm saying.. Something's not adding up. The specs on the cam that came in this motor(from Mopar) are pretty impressive, I couldn't imagine putting a BIGGER cam in. All I know is I have ZERO vacuum and have had clearance issues.
I went down to a .512 lift cam and my vacuum and clearance problems went away. That cam is just way to tall for the stock Hemi valvetrain. The lifters push down too far on the valve stem and cause them to open at an angle that wears one side out. It also causes the pushrod to push the backside of the lifter into the valve covers. My engine was way more fun to drive with the smaller cam. The power started coming on at 1600 and built from there. The power didn't really start on the MP cam until about 2,400 and you had to keep it above 3,000 rpm to stay in the meat of the power band.
Quote from: Go Hogs Go on December 23, 2008, 05:00:23 PM
The lifters push down too far on the valve stem and cause them to open at an angle that wears one side out. It also causes the pushrod to push the backside of the lifter into the valve covers.
That would explain my pass. side baffle coming loose and getting chewed up. :eek2:
Given the reputation of the Mopar Performance crate Hemi's for quality, I'd check it over whether BK touched it or not.
Well, for you to be told the tranny had a "high end rebuild" is very telling. We already know their definition of a "high end restoration". :eyes:
As far as the engine goes, it sounds like BK had nothing to do with building the motor. That is the good news. The bad news it that it makes it a tough call whether to check it over or wait another season.
Is there a warranty on the crate motor? I have never dealt with a crate engine so I apologize if it is a stupid question. I am just thinking that if there is a warranty, it might be worth waiting until next fall or winter to pull it. If something happens while it is under warranty you would be alright. Even if nothing happens, you can still pull it. Just trying to lighten the load on your wallet right now.
Like I said before. Check that rearend. :yesnod:
all right.. First.. Does this look like a tranny pan with 40 miles on it??
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Second, check out these converter bolts.. Something look a bit odd considering it's a 472 Hemi bolted up to the tranny??
On the left, the bolts that were removed from my converter. On the right are the bolts that should have been installed.
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Maybe this will help...
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I wonder how long those would have lasted... ::)
A little goodie sitting in the corner of Jon's shop...
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A very nicely built Hemi!!
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And hey, at least it's looking like a car again!!
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Now when you say flywheel bolt, are you sure you don't mean the converter bolts? The one on the left looks like a converter bolt that bolts the flex plate to the converter. The one on the right looks like an actual flywheel bolt in that it bolts the flywheel to the crank.
And that looks like quite a bit of metal on a 40 mile frshly rebuilt tranny. :scratchchin:
And is it just me or does it look like there is rust developing in the bottom of the tranny pan?
Quarters are looking nice. :2thumbs:
Quote from: General_01 on December 23, 2008, 11:33:02 PM
Now when you say flywheel bolt, are you sure you don't mean the converter bolts? The one on the left looks like a converter bolt that bolts the flex plate to the converter. The one on the right looks like an actual flywheel bolt in that it bolts the flywheel to the crank.
And that looks like quite a bit of metal on a 40 mile frshly rebuilt tranny. :scratchchin:
And is it just me or does it look like there is rust developing in the bottom of the tranny pan?
Quarters are looking nice. :2thumbs:
You are absolutely correct.. My brain is fried and I should have gone to bed a long time ago.. This thing just has me sick :brickwall:
and yes, the bottom of the pan doesn't look too healthy. Not that it makes any difference now, but this pan isn't going back on the tranny once it's back.
JB:
First, you have my respect for maintaining your (public) composure through all that you've gone through with your Charger. Kudos, bruddah.
Second, you are much man to be so transparent about the purchase, and for publicly revealing all that's been wrong with the car. I think that many of us would have privately had our nervous breakdown and gone on our way. Your revelation will benefit many who read your story for years to come.
Third, you acknowledged the problems with the car, but like a seasoned administrator you lined up the right people who could fix it and got on it. WOW! :o
Forth, you are amazingly tenacious. You could have counted the car a loss and started over, but your didn't. (Plus you're not one to be Svengali'd into believing the builder's outrageous semantics. What was and wasn't done to your Charger is so obvious.)
For what it's worth, and not that you need it, you have my support.
Regards,
-Steve
www.stanleyart.com
www.cokecar.com
Steve, thank you!
Between you and the other members here I can honestly say it's the only thing keeping me glued together.. Other then that I might have lost it a while ago.. :cheers: :cheers:
I know that when this car is done it'll be amazing, it's just the road TO that point that's driving me a bit insane. (http://domesticmisfits.net/forums/images/smilies/willy_nilly.gif)
Quote from: General_01 on December 23, 2008, 11:33:02 PM
Now when you say flywheel bolt, are you sure you don't mean the converter bolts? The one on the left looks like a converter bolt that bolts the flex plate to the converter. The one on the right looks like an actual flywheel bolt in that it bolts the flywheel to the crank.
I wanted to clarify that the bolt on the right is just for comparison purposes only.. the bolts that were in there are 5/16 and the good ones are 7/16, the flexplate is a B&M which is a good piece (imagine that???)
UPDATE. I am in negotiations with BK Auto right now, and after days and days of going back and forth with pictures, it appears that a figure has been reached that we can both agree on.
I will keep you posted if this is finalized. :popcrn:
Also, I just left Jon's shop.. He's really going to town on the electrical system. What a horror show. He really is transforming this car in every way possible!! Now we're talking about my options with blowers.. That'll be some time in 2009, but this project set me back a lot more then I thought it would have, so the timing's off.
You should use a under hood belt driven supercharger instead of a blower!!
Keep the real General Lee look. :yesnod: :yesnod:
thesuperchargerstore.com
:o Ummmmmm, :scratchchin: I don't want things that I'm doing to become a problem for you and BK and working out a deal. :rotz: So, Let me know what you want me to do Jeff. :2thumbs: Chuck...........
Quote from: WingCharger on December 24, 2008, 02:55:11 PM
You should use a under hood belt driven supercharger instead of a blower!!
Keep the real General Lee look. :yesnod: :yesnod:
thesuperchargerstore.com
That's actually what we were talking about.. I want to keep the look as close to The General on the outside... Which would mean nothing sticking through the hood.
How'd it set you back alot more then you thought, I thought you said it was getting fixed for a whole lot cheaper then anybody thinks & thought the price was all set ahead of time :scratchchin: LEON.
If it was mine, I wouldn't put a blower on a big block motor with less than 500-550" already.
Displacement is easy reliable power with ideal powerband characteristics, so I wouldn't look into anything else until that avenue is already pretty maxed out. (The one real downside to more cubic inches is gas mileage. But if you really have any concern about MPG on a 426-based carb'd Hemi then there's something wrong with you.)
Quote from: hemi-hampton on December 24, 2008, 04:12:56 PM
How'd it set you back alot more then you thought, I thought you said it was getting fixed for a whole lot cheaper then anybody thinks & thought the price was all set ahead of time :scratchchin: LEON.
That was quite a while ago.. Since then, every time Jon gets into another area it's a can of worms.. Obviously "new" repairs were not in my budget.
Let's say you're doing some home repairs and you'd budgeted $1500, but once you open your walls up you find rotted studs and bad electrical? That would put your project out of your original budget.. That's exactly what happened here.. We thought it would be a simple job, rear frame rails, a patch here and there, and maybe quarters... :brickwall:
Quote from: Mike DC (formerly miked) on December 24, 2008, 04:24:02 PM
If it was mine, I wouldn't put a blower on a big block motor with less than 500-550" already.
Displacement is easy reliable power with ideal powerband characteristics, so I wouldn't look into anything else until that avenue is already pretty maxed out. (The one real downside to more cubic inches is gas mileage. But if you really have any concern about MPG on a 426-based carb'd Hemi then there's something wrong with you.)
:rofl: SO TRUE!!
Yeah, I know, I was being Sarcastic, Just had a flashback of when you said it was or will be costing much less then anybody thought, When I read that I laughed to myself & said lets see if he's saying that in a few weeks :scratchchin: LEON.
Quote from: hemi-hampton on December 24, 2008, 04:33:42 PM
Yeah, I know, I was being Sarcastic, Just had a flashback of when you said it was or will be costing much less then anybody thought, When I read that I laughed to myself & said lets see if he's saying that in a few weeks :scratchchin: LEON.
Oh, quite the opposite.. I had NO IDEA what some of this stuff would cost.. And I was blind to the fact that it would be a "quick job". :shruggy:
Well, Your doing or that Jon is doing a good job, keep it up. :2thumbs: LEON.
Blowers work best at compressions of 8 or 9:1.
Above that, they don't even make kits for them. :rotz:
Compression depends on how much you want to overdrive them or underdrive them. LEON.
Quote from: hemi-hampton on December 24, 2008, 04:40:12 PM
Compression depends on how much you want to overdrive them or underdrive them. LEON.
I read in M.C.G. that low compressions work better with superchargers and turbos than high? :shruggy:
Quote from: hemi-hampton on December 24, 2008, 04:38:05 PM
Well, Your doing or that Jon is doing a good job, keep it up. :2thumbs: LEON.
Jon's doing it all -- I just say "we" because I'm watching :icon_smile_big:
:scratchchin: So if you settle with BK, do I still get some of the junk? :icon_smile_big: Chuck...........
Quote from: skip68 on December 24, 2008, 04:44:36 PM
:scratchchin: So if you settle with BK, do I still get some of the junk? :icon_smile_big: Chuck...........
Chuck, your box is already packed!!!
:drool5: Coooooooooooooool :2thumbs: That's just what I wanted for Christmas. We have a real good BONDO between us. :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: Chuck..............
Lookin good JB. Question, does the settlement work as a gag order? The reason I ask, is I think they should compensate you, but does that mean they get to continue business as usual? I'm not questioning your judgement one way or the other, as I'm not sure what I would do, just curious. I really want to see them closed.
Thad
I was kind of wondering that myself.
Seems like Brian should get Reimburst his $35k he lost out on :scratchchin: :-\ :shruggy: :brickwall:
:scratchchin: Then how will they gag me? :shruggy: I guess I should settle too. :icon_smile_cool: Hush money anyone ? :icon_smile_big: :scratchchin: I could use some new seat covers. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ and $ :scratchchin: one more $ I bet there is several thousand people that have heard the word on BK. :rotz: I think Brian should get something too. Jeff, Don't sign anything without it being looked at by an attorney. :yesnod: If BK has money to pay, then that means they have money to loose. If you know what I mean. :yesnod: Chuck..............
Wow, guys.. I was looking at this as a good thing.. Now you have me second guessing myself.. To me, it's not about a "gag", but I can definitely see your point there.. I'm merely looking at it as ok, they've realized the car should have been done better, and are trying to make this right.. But it could be taken both ways..
So are you guys all saying you wouldn't take it, if it were you?? :popcrn:
Quote from: hemi-hampton on December 24, 2008, 06:32:28 PM
Seems like Brian should get Reimburst his $35k he lost out on :scratchchin: :-\ :shruggy: :brickwall:
Why should Brian get anything? He passed the mess off onto Jeff. Jeff did all the work to eek something out of them. Brian already got his money from Jeff. Just my :Twocents:
Quote from: jb666 on December 24, 2008, 07:14:23 PM
Wow, guys.. I was looking at this as a good thing.. Now you have me second guessing myself.. To me, it's not about a "gag", but I can definitely see your point there.. I'm merely looking at it as ok, they've realized the car should have been done better, and are trying to make this right.. But it could be taken both ways..
So are you guys all saying you wouldn't take it, if it were you?? :popcrn:
That is up to you. I think they are trying to pay you money to stop you because you are the catalyst for bigger problems from past customers. Those other people that have contacted you did not do or say anything until you contacted them. If they stop you in your tracks, the other people will probably just go away.
I forgot the end of my post, so like Troy said below. Take the money.
Quote from: jb666 on December 24, 2008, 07:14:23 PM
Wow, guys.. I was looking at this as a good thing.. Now you have me second guessing myself.. To me, it's not about a "gag", but I can definitely see your point there.. I'm merely looking at it as ok, they've realized the car should have been done better, and are trying to make this right.. But it could be taken both ways..
So are you guys all saying you wouldn't take it, if it were you?? :popcrn:
Dude! (said in my best stoner voice) Take the money! :yesnod: Goodness knows all this stuff wasn't free for you and there's only so far that "principal" can go. Getting anything out of BK is a "win" in your position and proves your argument. If the engine has issues it sounds like you'll be at a standstill and it's soooo easy to become discouraged on these projects. If you have to shut up about the whole thing then it's no big deal because the word is already out. Don't be stupid just to prove a point. My opinion of course... :Twocents:
Troy
I think it's great that they may help. The problem is if not for this site and all the bad press so to speak, you would be getting nothing. BK is only doing this because they are looking for a way out as far as I see it. I won't sit back and hear of this happening to someone else down the road. :icon_smile_angry: Wrong is wrong. :yesnod: If it was me, I would take all I could from BK and make it very clear that this will never happen again. :yesnod: If this was the case where BK truly DID NOT KNOW how bad his guys built this car then I can understand and think that he should be able to make good on it and come out of this with an even better name. :yesnod: But, we all read his post's. :rotz: He knew this was going bad from the get go and yet did nothing to try and show concern for his reputation or customers. :rotz: He showed no surprise that this car came from his shop and only offered excuses. And in my book that tells me that he was fully aware of what's going on in his shop and this car. :yesnod: This is all on you Jeff. :2thumbs: It's your choice and you need to make it for what's best for you. :yesnod: I see nothing wrong with settling with BK. :yesnod: Get what you can. :2thumbs: Just make sure that you are holding the cards. :2thumbs: I'll still talk to you no matter what you do. :2thumbs: :icon_smile_big: Chuck.................
I think Brian should get money because he paid $70k+ for a $35k car that he sold for $35k & out $35k. JB paid $35k for $35k car or ok, some will say it's only worth $25k or $20k but just that Hemi motor alone should be worth $15k give or take $5k if not wasted. :shruggy: :Twocents: Brian should of went after BK as soon as he received car & before he ever resold though, His Mistake :shruggy: :Twocents: :slap:
Quote from: jb666 on December 24, 2008, 07:14:23 PM
they've realized the car should have been done better, and are trying to make this right..
:smilielol: I'm sorry Jeff but I just re-read what you said and it made me laugh. :smilielol: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :smilielol: It's all good. :2thumbs: It's your call buddy. :pity: :2thumbs: :icon_smile_big:
Quote from: hemi-hampton on December 24, 2008, 08:11:58 PM
I think Brian should get money because he paid $70k+ for a $35k car that he sold for $35k & out $35k. JB paid $35k for $35k car or ok, some will say it's only worth $25k or $20k but just that Hemi motor alone should be worth $15k give or take $5k if not wasted. :shruggy: :Twocents: Brian should of went after BK as soon as he received car & before he ever resold though, His Mistake :shruggy: :Twocents: :slap:
Exactly. His mistake. He rectified his mistake by selling it to Jeff. He is out of the picture for any money recouped by Jeff. He supplied paperwork and that is it. Paperwork that should have went with the car anyway.
You guy have NO IDEA how many times I talked to Brian about stepping forward and helping me out, legally. All he wanted to do was help "my" case, he stated that he wanted nothing to do with BK, or this thread, period. I told him that if a class action suit was formed and won, that he would be entitled to some of his $$ back, but that didn't sweeten the pot.
I can't control him.. If I could, he would have been here from POST#1 (when I sent him the link). He was mortified at the problems we found and swore up and down that he never even looked under the car.
The only thing I DO believe, that he said, was that the car was for sale 2 weeks before BK delivered it to him. He sold the car using BK's photos and had none of his own. When I first contacted him I asked him to take some new shots and he said he couldn't, that he didn't have the car yet... So for him it was a $$ thing all the way. He sold a "mint 55 Chevy" to finish this GL. His wife was out of work, and both of his kids were in private school.. He wasn't in a position to keep this car.
Bottom line is I am NOT SELLING OUT, I firmly believed this was a good thing. Why eat $10k if the company that built the car is willing to step up and help out? Are they doing it because of this thread and where it's gone? YOU'D BETTER BELIEVE IT!!! This forum is great!!!!!
Quote from: skip68 on December 24, 2008, 08:15:18 PM
Quote from: jb666 on December 24, 2008, 07:14:23 PM
they've realized the car should have been done better, and are trying to make this right..
:smilielol: I'm sorry Jeff but I just re-read what you said and it made me laugh. :smilielol: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :smilielol: It's all good. :2thumbs: It's your call buddy. :pity: :2thumbs: :icon_smile_big:
Yeah, I know.. The whole thing makes me laugh.. It has been since day one when I got that first call from Jon at 7:30 PM and he said "Ummm... I think you'd best come down here now, with your camera!!"... I had dropped the car off to him for nothing more than a simple roll bar... Talk about the snowball effect.
:2thumbs: Are there strings attached to this offer from BK? :shruggy:
Quote from: skip68 on December 24, 2008, 08:35:22 PM
:2thumbs: Are there strings attached to this offer from BK? :shruggy:
Strings? The only strings that were attached was that I'd post that they stepped forward to try to make this right. I really think this thread has hurt their business (even though they say it hasn't). The funny thing about a thread like this is 2 years later, when all the smoke has settled, it'll still be here coming up on Google searches around the world.. It really is a shame that the entire ordeal had to come to this point.
We obviously still have some major differences in opinion. I'm not going to say we agree with every issue of this car.. In fact , just a few, but they are the big ones.
:2thumbs: That sounds real good. I'd be happy at this point. And once they pay up then make sure you write a post that shows that BK paid. :yesnod: :2thumbs:
Quote from: skip68 on December 24, 2008, 08:48:04 PM
:2thumbs: That sounds real good. I'd be happy at this point. And once they pay up then make sure you write a post that shows that BK paid. :yesnod: :2thumbs:
Well, I'm obviously still skeptical, but we'll see. God knows $10k a month before Christmas could have been used for other things!!!!
hmmmm, Let me see if I got this right. Brian owes BK $59,000 for a rolling body, Then Supplies BK with his own $15k 472 Hemi Crate motor now having about $74,000 into this car but before he even gets a chance to pick it up he tries to sell it cheap at $35,000 :scratchchin: That dont make sense to me :shruggy:
Quote from: jb666 on December 24, 2008, 07:14:23 PM
Wow, guys.. I was looking at this as a good thing.. Now you have me second guessing myself.. To me, it's not about a "gag", but I can definitely see your point there.. I'm merely looking at it as ok, they've realized the car should have been done better, and are trying to make this right.. But it could be taken both ways..
So are you guys all saying you wouldn't take it, if it were you?? :popcrn:
Jeff, I wasn't judging you, please don't misinterpret. I am not saying what i would do one way or the other, the terms were what I was asking about. I was just wondering if because they give you money, do you now have to silence yourself? I understand completely about wanting some reimbursement/reparations. I just wondered at what cost? And furthermore, it took them this long to realize they didn't do a good job? After all the bullshit emails/responses? Methinks something stinks. Please make sure you do have a lawyer go over their offer with a fine tooth comb. Again, no judgement here, but I think they know you are serious, and want to save on having to go to court. You have a family and bills to worry about, far be it for me or anyone else here to tell you what is right for you. I will look at you no different then I do right now, or as I have since you started this, an honorable man who was wronged, and seeks retribution, and it will stay that way.
Quote from: General_01 on December 24, 2008, 08:16:44 PM
Quote from: hemi-hampton on December 24, 2008, 08:11:58 PM
I think Brian should get money because he paid $70k+ for a $35k car that he sold for $35k & out $35k. JB paid $35k for $35k car or ok, some will say it's only worth $25k or $20k but just that Hemi motor alone should be worth $15k give or take $5k if not wasted. :shruggy: :Twocents: Brian should of went after BK as soon as he received car & before he ever resold though, His Mistake :shruggy: :Twocents: :slap:
Exactly. His mistake. He rectified his mistake by selling it to Jeff. He is out of the picture for any money recouped by Jeff. He supplied paperwork and that is it. Paperwork that should have went with the car anyway.
Ding Ding Ding!! No longer Brian's problem, he sold it to Jeff(unknowingly or not) and it became Jeff's problem. Sorry you got bent over the barrel Brian, but you should have been the first one on the phone to your lawyer.
Quote from: hemi-hampton on December 24, 2008, 09:16:11 PM
hmmmm, Let me see if I got this right. Brian owes BK $59,000 for a rolling body, Then Supplies BK with his own $15k 472 Hemi Crate motor now having about $74,000 into this car but before he even gets a chance to pick it up he tries to sell it cheap at $35,000 :scratchchin: That dont make sense to me :shruggy:
That's the story I got, yes.. If you look at Brian's add (here), he has none of his own pictures. They are ALL BK's pictures from the "restoration". Brian even told me that the 2-3 stories he posted here about "smoking kids in ricers" was 3 months before the car was even done, that he was just playing around...
So honestly, don't ask me to sort out what the truth is there.. BK claims they told Brian about every single flaw this car HAD. If that's the case, I can see why Brian would dump it like a hot potato before he even GOT IT. :shruggy:
How can someone invest 90k into a car and never lay eyes on it. Sound like Brian was easy prey, BK must have been laughing their ass of at this guy. He was every scammers dream. No i do not think he should get a cut. :Twocents:
Quote from: Back N Black on December 24, 2008, 09:37:34 PM
How can someone invest 90k into a car and never lay eyes on it. Sound like Brian was easy prey, BK must have been laughing their ass of at this guy. He was every scammers dream. No i do not think he should get a cut. :Twocents:
Well, that's one thing I had a question about too.. I would have flown out to Texas to 1. Sign the contract and see the base car and 2. gone out when the car was about 75% done, BUT NOT PAINTED, to check it out.
Keeping in mind I'm the guy who drove to Maryland from Boston, saw the car as it sat and still took it home doesn't make me any better... As soon as Brian opened his garage door, I saw the car sitting there and said (to my wife) "oh yeah, that thing's mine"... That and the ulcer that I didn't know was a package deal. :brickwall:
Quote from: jb666 on December 19, 2008, 06:39:08 PM
BTW, I was told that ALL WELDING on this car was done by a "wyotech certified chassis engineer". What the Hell are they teaching there these days, and I wonder if this is how they'd like their company name being used... Might have to drop them a line...
:popcrn:
Dude- I started welding about a year ago with minimal instruction and I can weld 100x better than that shit...
Sorry to see what you're going through with this car - :-\
Quote from: Rolling_Thunder on December 24, 2008, 11:00:47 PM
Quote from: jb666 on December 19, 2008, 06:39:08 PM
BTW, I was told that ALL WELDING on this car was done by a "wyotech certified chassis engineer". What the Hell are they teaching there these days, and I wonder if this is how they'd like their company name being used... Might have to drop them a line...
:popcrn:
Dude- I started welding about a year ago with minimal instruction and I can weld 100x better than that shit...
Sorry to see what you're going through with this car - :-\
I hear ya. I have a buddy who welds "here and there" with no training and his welds in no way look as bad as these..
This has nothing to do with the BS that you're going through, but I think you will like this pic. It's a shot from my srt-4 a month ago when it rolled over the 6's. I was trying to go 66MPH too.
Quote from: mxzx440 on December 24, 2008, 11:19:27 PM
This has nothing to do with the BS that you're going through, but I think you will like this pic. It's a shot from my srt-4 a month ago when it rolled over the 6's. I was trying to go 66MPH too.
Very cool!! :cheers:
After talking with Lisa about this in the garage and looking at my car I got more pissed with BK. The more I think of this it just tells me wrong wrong wrong all over it. :icon_smile_dissapprove: I would want a fair (FAIR) offer from BK. I would not allow them to keep one penny of the money they charged for labor. NOT ONE RED CENT. :icon_smile_angry: I would allow them to keep the initial purchase price of the car and cost of parts, plus 10% of the total of parts and that's it. Then you divide that balance with Brian if you feel like he should have it. :yesnod: I know what Troy is saying and I felt the same at first. But, sometimes principle is everything. I would except nothing less than what's fair. :yesnod: This is how places like HALPEG stay in business. :rotz: If you need this money for your family then with deep regret I say take it. :rotz: :'( But if not, then tell them to call you back when they are serious. Chuck.............
Given how they've done everything else, I'd be afraid of the check bouncing.
I should clarify that I wouldn't just take any offer they throw out there. I was assuming that it was a reasonable/decent offer if you were considering it.
Troy
Quote from: Troy on December 25, 2008, 09:06:41 AM
I should clarify that I wouldn't just take any offer they throw out there. I was assuming that it was a reasonable/decent offer if you were considering it.
Troy
Well, I think that's a matter of opinion... I'm really at a crossroads here... Fighting between my pride and my common sense.. :slap:
I apologize for not reading the whole thread before chiming in, but 40 pages...wow! I read the first eight and then skipped to the last few.
The most amazing and truly rediculous quote from the BK killer was the "$15k for rotisserie blasting". My rotisserie was painted blue when I bought it. Didn't need blasting. Seriously, when I got quotes for media blasting a whole car on a rotisserie, they came in between $800-$1500 depending on if it was a whole car or plus doors, fenders, etc. The aforementioned price is GOUGING and that is illegal. For $15k, why not just buy a perfect 69 Charger body?
I read some comments about Roger Gibson charging $150k for a resto. I don't give a crap WHO you are or how nice your work is, that's 3 times what a 100 point car should cost. Back in the early 90's Gibson charged $30k. 15 years later, it's 5 times that? I must not be up on annual inflation statistics. I think I'm current on EGO inflation.
Too many resto shops are out of control with their finished car prices. I have one here in town who only charges $35/hour, but does the bait & switch with "estimated hours" to do a job. (example: Quotes 20 hours when the job goes in, then it's 100 hours when the job's done.) Then he can't figure out why his customers are crying about their cars costing more than what was originally quoted. This shop is filled with cars 80% done and waiting for the owners to cough up more cash. The shop owner does really nice work, but is a poor businessman. He's more than happy to offer financing at "only" 15% interest. I was ready to have him do three cars for me, but he screwed me on a simple frame patch and exhaust section. I stated above that his work is good. The cars in the shop were beautiful, the work he did for me was crap. I should have expected it from a Chevy guy. Chevy guys do great work on Chevies, piss-poor work on Mopars. No more work from me, but I'm happy to badmouth him around town. Duh. I'm tired of hearing "Well, we ran into some stuff we didn't expect".
My 2 cents on BK killer offering money back to you for their crap job. TAKE ANYTHING from them. I'm not a lawyer, so I can't quote laws, blah, blah, but I would take the money. Any money.
I do hope your car comes out the way you want. If the shop you're in now does a super job, let's hear about it. Start a NEW thread when the car is done about the GOOD shop.
Steve
:icon_smile_dissapprove: I just hate to see and hear about people that can't fight back because they need the money. And shops like BK know it. They know you are desperate and once again take advantage of that. :flame: This whole thread was about getting BK and not money. To keep them from becoming another HLPAG. Well I guess I'm on my own here so to speak and that's OK. :yesnod: Don't take this the wrong way Jeff, I still love you man. :icon_smile_big: This is nothing new for me and I'm going to enjoy this. I hate to be that dumb guy that stands alone but it's dumb guys like me that make a difference. BK, You can't buy me and you can't scare me, nor can you hush me. :slap: I look forwards to this challenge of you being shut down and am going to enjoy every second of it. :cheers: I am a thorn that will not go away. :yesnod: The only thing that will help you at this point is a FAIR offer to Jeff. NOTHING MORE, NOTHING LESS. Jeff is not your biggest problem anymore, I AM. :yesnod: You insult the good folks on this site and myself. Feel free to send me a PM and I will discuss my nonnegotiable terms. This will be a ONE TIME OFFER and will leave with me and NOT come up again. Keep this in mind...Even the squeaky clean MOM & POP shops have made mistakes,,,,,How do you think you will fair when I'm done with your little company?. ;) Now, you think back from today all the way back to the 1990s and then you decide if you want to talk with me and resolve this. I'll look forwards to hearing from you. Chuck............
Quote from: skip68 on December 25, 2008, 11:26:04 AM
:icon_smile_dissapprove: I just hate to see and hear about people that can't fight back because they need the money. And shops like BK know it. They know you are desperate and once again take advantage of that. :flame: This whole thread was about getting BK and not money. To keep them from becoming another HLPAG. Well I guess I'm on my own here so to speak and that's OK. :yesnod: Don't take this the wrong way Jeff, I still love you man. :icon_smile_big: This is nothing new for me and I'm going to enjoy this. I hate to be that dumb guy that stands alone but it's dumb guys like me that make a difference. BK, You can't buy me and you can't scare me, nor can you hush me. :slap: I look forwards to this challenge of you being shut down and am going to enjoy every second of it. :cheers: I am a thorn that will not go away. :yesnod: The only thing that will help you at this point is a FAIR offer to Jeff. NOTHING MORE, NOTHING LESS. Jeff is not your biggest problem anymore, I AM. :yesnod: You insult the good folks on this site and myself. Feel free to send me a PM and I will discuss my nonnegotiable terms. This will be a ONE TIME OFFER and will leave with me and NOT come up again. Keep this in mind...Even the squeaky clean MOM & POP shops have made mistakes,,,,,How do you think you will fair when I'm done with your little company?. ;) Now, you think back from today all the way back to the 1990s and then you decide if you want to talk with me and resolve this. I'll look forwards to hearing from you. Chuck............
:boxing_smiley:
Quote from: skip68 on December 25, 2008, 12:40:10 AM
After talking with Lisa about this in the garage and looking at my car I got more pissed with BK. The more I think of this it just tells me wrong wrong wrong all over it. :icon_smile_dissapprove: I would want a fair (FAIR) offer from BK. I would not allow them to keep one penny of the money they charged for labor. NOT ONE RED CENT. :icon_smile_angry: I would allow them to keep the initial purchase price of the car and cost of parts, plus 10% of the total of parts and that's it. Then you divide that balance with Brian if you feel like he should have it. :yesnod: I know what Troy is saying and I felt the same at first. But, sometimes principle is everything. I would except nothing less than what's fair. :yesnod: This is how places like HALPEG stay in business. :rotz: If you need this money for your family then with deep regret I say take it. :rotz: :'( But if not, then tell them to call you back when they are serious. Chuck.............
With all do respect Chuck, I don't think the decision is yours to make. You did help Jeff in some area's, but you didn't have to dig into your savings to resurrect a POS after spending a boatload of money to get it in the first place. And as far as "splitting the money with Brian", that is just plain ridiculous to even mention. He sold a 5K shell with a 15K motor under the pretense that it was "restored. I remember when he had it on the board for 55K. Not sure exactly what Jeff paid for it, but I am sure it was way more than that POS was worth. If he wanted retribution he should have went after them. It is also, as Jeff pointed out, kinda of silly to not to go and check on something you were spending that kind of dough on. Like was said before, the word is out on BK. Thats about the extent of what can happen here unless Jeff wants to eat all the expenses and probably still not take these guys down. I think he has already done more than any other ACTUAL customer ever thought to do. Principle does not keep food on your table. He made his point to BK, and that is why the money came through.
It's easy to have principle's when your not footing the bill. :Twocents:
I do agree with you on most points General_01. Jeff can do what he wants to and so can I. I know it's easy when it's not my money so I should let the deal with BK and Jeff alone. I can deal with BK on my own. THEY MUST BE STOPPED. :cheers: I just don't want Jeff to delete all of the bad things about BK here. It is far too important. Chuck.........
I understand about being pissed at BK. I think Jeff did a good job of getting the word out. Also, even if the thread gets deleted, at least when people come to this board or moparts and say "I am thinking about buying a car from a place called BK Auto. What are your thoughts.", we will all have a very definitive answer for them. Just like we do when asked about HLPAG.
Quote from: General_01 on December 25, 2008, 12:45:48 PM
I understand about being pissed at BK. I think Jeff did a good job of getting the word out. Also, even if the thread gets deleted, at least when people come to this board or moparts and say "I am thinking about buying a car from a place called BK Auto. What are your thoughts.", we will all have a very definitive answer for them. Just like we do when asked about HLPAG.
This thread will NOT be deleted. It would defeat the purpose of the entire thing.
The thread did not start because I was on a quest for $$. In fact, it was the last thing on my mind. I wanted the world to know what happened, and what type of answers I was getting.. Then the $ offer came in to "put this to rest", and here we are, discussing it. Decisions haven't been made, but it leaves me asking any of you the same question -- Would YOU turn the $$ down? I mean REALLY, if an offer was made to you and you were in my position, would you say "SCREW YOU, I'm out to make your life miserable, that's worth more to me then $$"??? :shruggy:
Again I say take the money if you think the offer is reasonable. You did your part. You were screwed. Whether it be by BK or Brian, you were screwed. Get some compensation back. I would take the money if I thought the offer was reasonable.
MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL :cheers: LEON.
You're lucky to get any offer. If it seems remotely fair then TAKE IT! The cost of pursing this with them legally will end up costing you more money and time than it's worth. This happens to so many people and they get nothing. I assume you had a lawyer scare them with a "threat"? I hope your lawyer isn't taking a piece.
Oh no he's not lucky . :rotz: I told Jeff a week or so ago don't be surprised if BK makes you an offer to go away. I figured it would be parts sent to the new shop. Guess I was wrong. :shruggy: But none the less I was right about an offer. Luck has nothing to do with it. :rotz: This is what's called "HUSH MONEY". :yesnod: There is more to this than what's posted here for most of you members and the public. :yesnod: So don't be to quick to think this payoff is a good, lucky deal. :cheers: If it may seem as if I'm too aggressive that's why. :yesnod: :cheers: It is Christmas and hope you all had a great day. :2thumbs: :cheers: I don't mean any disrespect to anyone here at all. :rotz: I love you guys man. :icon_smile_big: :smilielol: :cheers: And I fully agree with you joflaig about taking an offer it it's remotely fair. :2thumbs: Fair is a key word. :yesnod: :cheers: Chuck...............
It's really funny that you think we are that stupid Chuck. I know what it is about. Read my post before when he first asked about thoughts on taking the offer. If you are so passionate about it, send the money to cover the cost of the repairs to Jeff's car. Then maybe he will try to take them all the way for you. Until then, you are just talking with Jeff's money.
Like I said, it's easy to have principles when you're not footing the bill. Take a chill pill and relax.
Sorry if I sound aggressisive back, but your chirping here could cancel any deal. So sit back and let Jeff negotiate.
Guys, I appreciate the support here, and definitely the emotion ( :flame: ) that this forum displays on the subject, but I don't want this to break into a fight..
I can see both sides of the story. I DO NOT agree that Brian should get anything, because of the fact that he's refused to come out and help through this whole thing. He could have made a big difference and he also could have seen some of his own $ back.
As for the offer that was made to me, IT WILL NOT EVEN COME CLOSE to covering my expenses on this rebuild.
I haven't made any decisions.. But I most certainly know what my heart's telling me to do!! :flame:
Take what you can get. The damage has already been done.
Quote from: jb666 on December 26, 2008, 10:42:13 AM
Guys, I appreciate the support here, and definitely the emotion ( :flame: ) that this forum displays on the subject, but I don't want this to break into a fight..
I can see both sides of the story. I DO NOT agree that Brian should get anything, because of the fact that he's refused to come out and help through this whole thing. He could have made a big difference and he also could have seen some of his own $ back.
As for the offer that was made to me, IT WILL NOT EVEN COME CLOSE to covering my expenses on this rebuild.
I haven't made any decisions.. But I most certainly know what my heart's telling me to do!! :flame:
Following your emotions and not using your head is why you are in the spot you are in. Don't make the same mistake. this Brian guy screwed you as far as I can see with what I've read. Legally, he is the one to sue, you bought it from him. But if you can get something out of BK go for it. You are lucky.
Quote from: joflaig on December 26, 2008, 03:07:20 PM
Quote from: jb666 on December 26, 2008, 10:42:13 AM
Guys, I appreciate the support here, and definitely the emotion ( :flame: ) that this forum displays on the subject, but I don't want this to break into a fight..
I can see both sides of the story. I DO NOT agree that Brian should get anything, because of the fact that he's refused to come out and help through this whole thing. He could have made a big difference and he also could have seen some of his own $ back.
As for the offer that was made to me, IT WILL NOT EVEN COME CLOSE to covering my expenses on this rebuild.
I haven't made any decisions.. But I most certainly know what my heart's telling me to do!! :flame:
Following your emotions and not using your head is why you are in the spot you are in. Don't make the same mistake. this Brian guy screwed you as far as I can see with what I've read. Legally, he is the one to sue, you bought it from him. But if you can get something out of BK go for it. You are lucky.
Thanks, Cap'n! :lol: I know why we're here.. That's also why I'm not jumping to any quick decisions (this time). I try to learn from my mistakes.
And guys, I don't want you to think I'm just "dropping" this with Brian. His disappearance and lack of (offered) help really pisses me off. Not only did I not go for his throat, but he sat here and read this thread long before I went out to him.. Some people have no conscience. If I sold someone this car and read about all of this , sure, I'd panic, but I'd also contact the person and offer to help out. ALL Brian offered me was a story and a bunch of receipts, and then continued to tell me that he was changing his email and home phone # because he was being harassed by members here. I don't think so...
Here's the email I got from Brian right before I went down and picked the car up:
----- Original Message -----
From: b******@aol.com
To: JB666@comcast.net
Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 4:16 PM
Subject: Re: General
A lot of time and material charges went into this car and they add up very fast. I've got well over $70k in the car and was willing to let it go for $**. Don't want to sell it , but I have to do what I have to do.
I want you to understand this car is not a perfect # 1 trailer queen kind of car. One reason is because there are very few reproduction parts made for Mopar B bodies and sometimes you have to use what you have. I want to be honest and let you know the car has a few minor flaws, but nothing major or serious. Most people wouldn't notice. Too be honest yesterday was the first time I've driven it since I've had it. I drove it around the block when the guy took it out of the trailer when it first got here and that was it. Yesterday I took it to the gas station because it was almost out of gas when it got here. Car is very nice and gets ood and awwed over by everyone that has seen it. It drew a crowed at the gas station and about five people took pictures of it with their camera phones. A Maryland state trooper ask if he could park his police car behind it and take some pictures of it with him and his police car in them for his boys. He said they are nine and twelve and DOH is their favorite show. They watch it on DVD all the time.
The car drove nice and rode fine. I took it easy and didn't get on it hard or anything, sounds good going down the road. I wanted to trailer it to Dukesfest the last weekend in June, but unfortunately it didn't get here in time like promised and we went with out it. Out of all the Generals that showed up very few looked as nice as this car. Out of 120 cars I'd say only five or six looked as good or better than this one and only one other had a Hemi. It was a little new 5.7 small block conversion job.
Thanks for your interest,
Brian
I'd consider what's happening now to be more then "minor flaws". But, he claims he was only telling me what BK told him. :brickwall:
This tale sure has turned onto a twisty road.
Quote from: Ghoste on December 26, 2008, 04:33:08 PM
This tale sure has turned onto a twisty road.
Yeah, it did the day I took it home.
I just wish people could be honest and stand-up.. If they were, this wouldn't be happening. What I really believe is that Brian had no clue what he was looking at. In fact I'd be shocked to learn he ever crawled under the car. He claimed that when he knew I was on my way down he walked around the car "tightening things up" and snapped the terminal off the starter.. Mechanically inclined he is not.
Bottom line here is that the build sucked. Brian had grounds, but chose not to stand them. **** rolls down hill, and I was there.
I guess you could call this a expensive learning experience for some, on what to do & not to do :scratchchin: :shruggy:
Quote from: hemi-hampton on December 26, 2008, 06:17:41 PM
I guess you could call this a expensive learning experience for some, on what to do & not to do :scratchchin: :shruggy:
Oh that's for sure!!! :cheers: :cheers:
As far as I am concerned, Brian can say all he wants about "What BK told him". The car was in his possession and he should have checked it out before telling anyone else what was in the car. What he did is no different than a flipper buying a car that was supposed to have a 440 in it, but when it got to his place it had a 318. Insead of going back to the guy he bought it from, he turns around and sells it advertising a 440 because "That is what the guy I bought it from said it was."
And "minor flaws". :smilielol:
And only 5 or 6 cars at Dukesfest "looked better". I bet all of them were better mechanically speaking though. I guess if someone shined up a turd Brian would put it on his mantle because it is a "piece of art".
I wouldn't call Brian a flipper if he pays $70k+ & turns around & flips for half that, $35k. I thought the flippers worked the opposite way where they buy for $35k & sell for $70k :shruggy:
Quote from: hemi-hampton on December 26, 2008, 07:19:22 PM
I wouldn't call Brian a flipper if he pays $70k+ & turns around & flips for half that, $35k. I thought the flippers worked the opposite way where they buy for $35k & sell for $70k :shruggy:
I wouldn't call him a flipper either, in that sense.. Maybe a "deleter"?? He deleted a lot of "minor flaws" from his list :rofl:
I didn't say he was a flipper. I said what he did is no different than the example given. Instead of going back to the person they got the car from to solve the problem, they pass it off to the next buyer and claim ignorance.
Thats possible, What was his reason for selling or how could you justify just buying for $70k+ & then reselling for $35k? You'd have to justify somehow unless He never said or mentioned He paid $70k+ until later after sale. Only thing that would make sense to me to justify the loss is say Hey, I paid $70k for this heap & got ripped off & paid to much, I dont think the heap is worth anymore then $35k & if you want it it yours. Buyer looks it over to determine if he thinks the heap is worth the $35k before handing over cash. Apparently that never happened. Even if Brian said it was a mint showcar & you look at it in person, disagree with him but still buy it, then who's fault is that :shruggy:
Quote from: hemi-hampton on December 26, 2008, 07:35:31 PM
Thats possible, What was his reason for selling or how could you justify just buying for $70k+ & then reselling for $35k? You'd have to justify somehow unless He never said or mentioned He paid $70k+ until later after sale. Only thing that would make sense to me to justify the loss is say Hey, I paid $70k for this heap & got ripped off & paid to much, I dont think the heap is worth anymore then $35k & if you want it it yours. Buyer looks it over to determine if he thinks the heap is worth the $35k before handing over cash. Apparently that never happened. Even if Brian said it was a mint showcar & you look at it in person, disagree with him but still buy it, then who's fault is that :shruggy:
Well, in some of his for sale ads, he started high and worked his way down over the weeks.. Weeks before he even HAD the car.
If you read the email to Jeff, Brian states that he has 70K+ into the car. This was before Jeff went to get the car. He did not say it was a heap. He said it was not a trailer queen and there were some minor flaws and he drove it to the gas station and it drove great. He makes it sound like he is dropping the price because he needs to get some cash quick, not because it isn't worth the 70K.
He probably needed cash to get BK to release the car before he put a lien on it. There are hundreds of stories of projects gone astray - so far that they have to be sold when finished because the owner is buried in debt. I had one of my cars in a body shop once and a guy there had $32k into the body/paint on a Plain Jane '70 Camaro and also a $12k 454 built for it. There's no way on earth he could sell it as a project when drivable cars were selling locally for $15k. At least once he got it finished he could hope for someone who wanted a show car and maybe give him half of what he had in it.
There have been times where I've been close to dumping my cars for any offer I could get just so I could pay bills. It happens. I'm sure there are people here who would consider that irresponsible but I'll choose to ignore their opinions. ;)
Troy
Quote from: jb666 on December 26, 2008, 04:28:48 PM
One reason is because there are very few reproduction parts made for Mopar B bodies and sometimes you have to use what you have.
:scratchchin: Um, what? :scratchchin:
Quote from: Troy on December 26, 2008, 07:51:09 PM
He probably needed cash to get BK to release the car before he put a lien on it.
He referenced that fact several times. Not to actually take delivery of the car, but he said there were times they threatened to lien the car if he didn't send a check.
:popcrn: So has Brian been here lately? :shruggy: I know at this point it really doesn't matter what he knew or didn't know and we can go on guessing forever. :yesnod: But, it sure would be nice to have him fill some of the blanks. :yesnod:
Quote from: skip68 on December 26, 2008, 08:11:15 PM
:popcrn: So has Brian been here lately? :shruggy: I know at this point it really doesn't matter what he knew or didn't know and we can go on guessing forever. :yesnod: But, it sure would be nice to have him fill some of the blanks. :yesnod:
It would be REALLY nice, and no he hasn't been around lately...He's been lurking, but not posting.
Somehow I missed that Jeffs e-mail or Brians email response. :shruggy: Sorry. Guess I spoke out of line :shruggy: He should of never had the car built if he did not have enough funds. :scratchchin: LEON.
Hey hemi-hampton. You do restore cars don't you?
Yes, I've seen many Brians & BK's & worked for many BK's for past 25 years. all this is nothing new to me. I know exactly whats going on but playing dumb. LEON.
:2thumbs: Cool. Then I have to ask you since you've seen the pictures of the work that was done to the car and we pretty much know the damage. What would you say would be a ballpark guess as to how much money it would take to do the same work (minus the engine) that BK did? :shruggy: Thank's, Chuck...........
I've done 2 similar cars recently needing or having done more bodywork (replaced rear frame rails, trunk, trunk extensions, wheel wells, 1/4's, custom fabricated inner rockers, ect, ect) to them for $25k & $35k. :scratchchin: LEON.
Thanks hemi. If you were to bondo a car (and I'm sure you wouldn't) like they did, What would it cost ballpark for that kind of job? I know it takes time to sand and alot of bondo.
$5k
You've got to be kidding me. :o $5k could pay for bondo and time sanding and block sanding? :o :rotz: Man oh man oh man. :rotz: Thanks hemi. :2thumbs: ;) Chuck............
Who said anything about block sanding. Blocking with 150 & a long Air File is the fast low budget way. Is $5k to much or not enough :shruggy:
JB -
I just found this thread... it was posted over on my site...
Wow is about all I can say. I am sorry to hear about this. I hope they fess up and do the right thing. Chargers are such rust buckets, but for them to do all they did, but still ignore the needs seems very short sighted.
Infact, it seems pretty stupid, or, worse, criminally unethical.
I hope the resolution is fair. From what I have read, they owe you a chunk...
The comment that $20k was in body prep... that means, even at $25 an hour, that's 800 man-hours of labour... oh, yea, right... It wasn't even close. 800 man-hours should have made that uni-body PERFECT.
Either he is a crook, or all of his employees are crooks...
I will monitor this thread. I really hope it gets sorted to your benefit.
I just didn't know what it would take for a shop to make a car look good and was wondering. I figured it was cheaper to bondo a car but thought it would still cost quite a bit. :shruggy: Forgive me as I'm not to sharp on body work. This just gives more of an idea of what it takes for us non-body guys. :scratchchin: Thanks again hemi. ;)
jb666, my only guess is that this Brian was a bit ignorant and naive about the same sort of things that you were. And it seemed like when he dumped the car on you he probably knew there were more problems than he let on, but maybe was also somewhat uniformed to the true extent of the problems.
Still, if he advertised the car in an email like that and sent it to you and what you got is what we now see, well you could sue his ass off with a good lawyer. That email is short on real details, but certainly written to evoke an emotional reaction in the right person.
One real problem in this mess is that you started work re-doing the car instead of trying to return it as is.
Quote from: bogus on December 26, 2008, 09:41:49 PM
JB -
I just found this thread... it was posted over on my site...
Wow is about all I can say. I am sorry to hear about this. I hope they fess up and do the right thing. Chargers are such rust buckets, but for them to do all they did, but still ignore the needs seems very short sighted.
Infact, it seems pretty stupid, or, worse, criminally unethical.
I hope the resolution is fair. From what I have read, they owe you a chunk...
The comment that $20k was in body prep... that means, even at $25 an hour, that's 800 man-hours of labour... oh, yea, right... It wasn't even close. 800 man-hours should have made that uni-body PERFECT.
Either he is a crook, or all of his employees are crooks...
I will monitor this thread. I really hope it gets sorted to your benefit.
Andy!! I knew Jonny had posted the link over there, and I'm glad he did.. I wanted the word to be passed around as many place as possible..
I agree with everything you are saying..
joflaig -- You are right. I don't deny my ignorance in this situation. I bought this car with my blinders on and believed everything I was told.. I was the dream buyer. :slap:
as for returning it -- It was a 12 hour one way trip. Even if it was 45 minutes away I probably wouldn't have returned it.. I'd rather just dig in and get to work.
That is a great point joflaig. ;) You would think that Brian would be doing everything he could to help Jeff so that Jeff doesn't come after him. :shruggy: If it were me, I would be scared that Jeff is going to come after me. :yesnod:
:eyes:
Quote from: bogus on December 26, 2008, 09:41:49 PM
JB -
I just found this thread... it was posted over on my site...
Chargers are such rust buckets......
Hey, I just caught that comment :slap: :scratchchin:
Quote from: bogus on December 26, 2008, 09:41:49 PM
Chargers are such rust buckets, but for them to do all they did, but still ignore the needs seems very short sighted.
I'm guessing you've restored a few Chargers to be able to make this statement? :shruggy:
Quote from: 472 R/T SE on December 26, 2008, 10:30:24 PM
Quote from: bogus on December 26, 2008, 09:41:49 PM
Chargers are such rust buckets, but for them to do all they did, but still ignore the needs seems very short sighted.
I'm guessing you've restored a few Chargers to be able to make this statement? :shruggy:
He's a Corvette dude. I can say that Corvette's are defiantly bad handling cars too. :D :nana: :icon_smile_wink:
Welcome to the site bogus. :cheers: I'm thinking that you ment that Chargers rust easy when you called them rust buckets? Chuck..............
Quote from: jb666 on December 26, 2008, 10:09:37 PM
Quote from: bogus on December 26, 2008, 09:41:49 PM
JB -
I just found this thread... it was posted over on my site...
Wow is about all I can say. I am sorry to hear about this. I hope they fess up and do the right thing. Chargers are such rust buckets, but for them to do all they did, but still ignore the needs seems very short sighted.
Infact, it seems pretty stupid, or, worse, criminally unethical.
I hope the resolution is fair. From what I have read, they owe you a chunk...
The comment that $20k was in body prep... that means, even at $25 an hour, that's 800 man-hours of labour... oh, yea, right... It wasn't even close. 800 man-hours should have made that uni-body PERFECT.
Either he is a crook, or all of his employees are crooks...
I will monitor this thread. I really hope it gets sorted to your benefit.
Andy!! I knew Jonny had posted the link over there, and I'm glad he did.. I wanted the word to be passed around as many place as possible..
I agree with everything you are saying..
joflaig -- You are right. I don't deny my ignorance in this situation. I bought this car with my blinders on and believed everything I was told.. I was the dream buyer. :slap:
as for returning it -- It was a 12 hour one way trip. Even if it was 45 minutes away I probably wouldn't have returned it.. I'd rather just dig in and get to work.
Hey, Jeff...
Yea... Johnny ratted you out. :) The word of this needs to be spread. There is no question.
No matter what, you were sucked in by the red mist... it's when someone goes blind during a transaction of this kind.
But at the same time, he has no right to commit this level of fraud. And if his people did it, they deserve to be fired. No questions asked. If they are all in cohoots, it's even worse... that's conspiracy. If I was involved, I would consider filing criminal charges. If they get away with this on a civil level only, it won't scare them enough.
Quote from: 472 R/T SE on December 26, 2008, 10:30:24 PM
Quote from: bogus on December 26, 2008, 09:41:49 PM
Chargers are such rust buckets, but for them to do all they did, but still ignore the needs seems very short sighted.
I'm guessing you've restored a few Chargers to be able to make this statement? :shruggy:
I am from the mid-atlantic... Mopars rusted on quiet days. I have seen enough of those late 60s, early 70s unibodies to establish a bit of a trend analysis.
Never said they handled badly. Like most late 60s muscle cars, they were better in a straight line. But put some sticky tires on them, the torsion bar front end actually worked very nicely. For a nearly 4000 lb car, with drum brakes and little real knowledge (or desire, I suppose), they were one of the best of their era.
For that matter, 60's Corvettes didn't handle either! Short of a Ferrari or Porsche, not much handled in those days... let's be honest...
My brother had a 68 Charger. 318, 4bbl, auto, A/C, It was yellow... black vinyl top and interior. That's why I chose the avatar I did. It was a good car until someone had a heart attack and plowed into him. Did I mention he bought this car new in 1968? :) The image of that shape will always be associated to him. It is much like the P-51 Mustang... my dad serviced them during WWII, it was his favourite plane. The P-51 is my favourite plane. The Charger is my favourite Mopar. I saw his when I was 3 YO! And I will never forget how perfect it looked. One day, I will get one... and deal with the rust correctly.
Quote from: bogus on December 26, 2008, 11:32:42 PM
Quote from: 472 R/T SE on December 26, 2008, 10:30:24 PM
Quote from: bogus on December 26, 2008, 09:41:49 PM
Chargers are such rust buckets, but for them to do all they did, but still ignore the needs seems very short sighted.
I'm guessing you've restored a few Chargers to be able to make this statement? :shruggy:
I am from the mid-atlantic... Mopars rusted on quiet days. I have seen enough of those late 60s, early 70s unibodies to establish a bit of a trend analysis.
Never said they handled badly. Like most late 60s muscle cars, they were better in a straight line. But put some sticky tires on them, the torsion bar front end actually worked very nicely. For a nearly 4000 lb car, with drum brakes and little real knowledge (or desire, I suppose), they were one of the best of their era.
For that matter, 60's Corvettes didn't handle either! Short of a Ferrari or Porsche, not much handled in those days... let's be honest...
My brother had a 68 Charger. 318, 4bbl, auto, A/C, It was yellow... black vinyl top and interior. That's why I chose the avatar I did. It was a good car until someone had a heart attack and plowed into him. Did I mention he bought this car new in 1968? :) The image of that shape will always be associated to him. It is much like the P-51 Mustang... my dad serviced them during WWII, it was his favourite plane. The P-51 is my favourite plane. The Charger is my favourite Mopar. I saw his when I was 3 YO! And I will never forget how perfect it looked. One day, I will get one... and deal with the rust correctly.
Andy -- This entire situation just completely knocked me over.. You can imagine our surprise to watch the frame rails chip away when tapping them with a hammer.. All because they were smoothed out/painted to make them look good... :o
It makes the days that I'd stop by to see my Z06 teardown progress look like child's play..That was NOTHING compared to this..
But, don't fear, this car will be just as nice by the time it's done.. You know that!!
We're baaaaccccckkkk....
http://www.freiburgersjunkyard.com/blog/Update-1-The-Hack-Job-General-Lee.html
Brian
Quote from: Brian Lohnes on December 27, 2008, 02:17:18 PM
We're baaaaccccckkkk....
http://www.freiburgersjunkyard.com/blog/Update-1-The-Hack-Job-General-Lee.html
Brian
:popcrn: Oh man! GREAT job, Brian!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This had me cracking up!!
Just about the only thing not FUBAR about this Mopar was the badge. We even double checked to make sure the spelling was correct. :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol:
The funny part is the hood has matching underhood rot holes that were painted over, so that's off to be turned into a Coke can, too.
I can honestly say that NOTHING will be overlooked this time around..
Good article. Nice pics of the butchery and the way it is being fixed. Nice work by the crew at Tube Chassis Designz. :2thumbs:
Wish I had one ounce of that welding talent! :drool5: Car is looking good. Hope it all works out well for you in the end! :2thumbs:
You know what's funny? I swore I saw on BK's website, where they replaced the rear quarters. I'm sure they've used the same photos over and agian, many times!
Quote from: teamroth on December 27, 2008, 02:37:05 PM
You know what's funny? I swore I saw on BK's website, where they replaced the rear quarters. I'm sure they've used the same photos over and agian, many times!
Well, they referenced that in the email they originally sent Brian that it "looked like the rear quarters had to be changed", but later on they said they were fine and didn't need to be swapped.. :shruggy:
Quote from: 68coronetGLwannabe on December 27, 2008, 02:34:42 PM
Wish I had one ounce of that welding talent! :drool5: Car is looking good. Hope it all works out well for you in the end! :2thumbs:
Yeah, and I wish the guys that were working for BK had that amount of talent.. We might not be here.
If you could run your finger along this weld you'd see what I mean, but it's almost flush with the body, requiring VERY LITTLE body work.
Where did they find the original overpriced rolling shell, the bottom of a salt mine?
Quote from: Ghoste on December 27, 2008, 03:19:22 PM
Where did they find the original overpriced rolling shell, the bottom of a salt mine?
I think it was in the Hogg Mine, buried 47 feet under ground being preserved in salt water.
I know it's already in the thread but for the sake of those just joining us (and those like me who are too lazy to look it up again), how much was this car with no frame, no drivetrain, and not s ingle piece of useable sheet metal? The roof panel was good right?
Quote from: Ghoste on December 27, 2008, 03:24:17 PM
I know it's already in the thread but for the sake of those just joining us (and those like me who are too lazy to look it up again), how much was this car with no frame, no drivetrain, and not s ingle piece of useable sheet metal? The roof panel was good right?
Yes, the roof and front subframe were both fine. The lower rockers and door skins appear to be usable as well, thank God.
I can't say for sure. I know that BK took $25k from Brian to buy the base car and secure the project. They began building from there.
From the contract:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/Page1Large.jpg)
I was told, later, that $5k was spent on the rolling chassis. If that's the case, where the rest went I'm not entirely sure.
5k huh? It sounds like about 1 zero too many.
RESTORE TO ORIGINAL BODY CONDITION. :yesnod: :cheers: Right there is the key words that will hang them. :rotz: How come Brian L. never said BK's name? :shruggy: :2thumbs: Anywho, Great job Brian L. :2thumbs:
I think it was newspaper maven William Randolph Hearst that said, "Any publicity is GOOD publicity". That being said, I'd rather highlight the people making this deal right than the people who caused all the mess to begin with.
Brian
:2thumbs: Gotcha ;)
Jeff,
A question - has this event caused anyone else to come forward with similar complaints?
Andy
EDIT - I misread something in a prior page... sorry for the confusion.
Bogus, delete your message please. The information in it is not yours to give out to the masses. If Jeff wants to share this type of info, he can. But it is not for you to share with everyone.
As I stated in my PM, take a few minutes and scan through this thread and you will see references to the $5k offer.
I have not had any private discussions with Jeff on this. I may in the future, but not at this time. BTW, he and I go pretty far back.
:shruggy:
I'm confused.. $5k isn't the amount discussed with BK and I apologize if somewhere I eluded to that $$ amount.. The point where I mentioned $5k was where I was quoting what BK said the rolling chassis cost..
I was into it for well over $5k before the quarters were cut off, yes.
As for other people coming forward -- Yes, I have several prior customers who aren't quite as bad off as me but have complaints of their own. They are lurking here but have asked to have their names stay out of this thread. I can respect that.
Jeff, you have made NO mention of an offer. I think people need to read and understand things they read before they stir up crap.
I miss read somewhere.
That's my bad.
I DID NOT repeat anything told to me, I just read something in a prior page wrong.
Quote from: jb666 on December 27, 2008, 11:09:58 PM
:shruggy:
I'm confused.. $5k isn't the amount discussed with BK and I apologize if somewhere I eluded to that $$ amount.. The point where I mentioned $5k was where I was quoting what BK said the rolling chassis cost..
I was into it for well over $5k before the quarters were cut off, yes.
As for other people coming forward -- Yes, I have several prior customers who aren't quite as bad off as me but have complaints of their own. They are lurking here but have asked to have their names stay out of this thread. I can respect that.
I corrected my thread... I read a reference to $5k on page 39 or 40 and thought that it was in reference to an offer. For some reason, the context was a bit wacky.
I don't blame them for keeping quiet, but if a class action is taken, I hope they join.
I would also keep the dirty laundry to a minimum. You don't want all the evidence in the public domain...
Quote from: General_01 on December 27, 2008, 11:15:23 PM
Jeff, you have made NO mention of an offer. I think people need to read and understand things they read before they stir up crap.
Chill. I corrected my error. The context of the threads in question were implying an offer had been given. No need to get all authoritarian.
Thank you bogus. I am sorry I came on a little strong. I just know that Jeff has been keeping the numbers close to the vest and rightfully so. It is his business, not ours.
:popcrn: So, :popcrn: any more new finds with the car JB ? :popcrn:
Quote from: skip68 on December 28, 2008, 01:03:29 AM
:popcrn: So, :popcrn: any more new finds with the car JB ? :popcrn:
No. Jon worked on it all last week, but took a ride to New York on Saturday. He mentioned he was going out there today, so I may stop by. But, I asked him "Any bad news for me??", he laughed and said "NOPE!". So hopefully that's a good sign.. Then again, like we've been saying, I HOPE the "bad news" is coming to an end!!
I meant to tell you guys, on Friday I got an email from "management" at Wyotech regarding this thread. They wanted to be sure we realize this is NOT the way they want their company represented. :lol: I assured him no one believed that. It's amazing where this thread has turned heads. :popcrn:
It's one thing to mention it here but they also need to call BK and tell him to cease and desist with the name dropping.
Quote from: Ghoste on December 28, 2008, 12:28:07 PM
It's one thing to mention it here but they also need to call BK and tell him to cease and desist with the name dropping.
I can't say that they didn't already do that, or that they might just drop them a letter. Either way, I think their point in contacting me was as the car's owner, they didn't want me thinking this was how they teach their guys and promised me they'd never do some of the welds posted here.
Keep your fingers crossed that the worst is over. :yesnod: I did notice that the steering column was changed to a floor shift. I guess I missed that somewhere. :shruggy: That explains the crap quality job on those two items. :rotz: Those idiots at BK bought the wrong car for there skill level. :rofl: They need to start with plastic models from Target. :smilielol: :scratchchin: I wonder if the steering column is even from a Charger? That may explain why it wasn't in right. :yesnod: :shruggy: Make sure to look at the parts close and post pictures of the one's you may not be sure of. :2thumbs: Chuck............
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jb666, maybe I missed it but are going to take that HEMI to a mopar experienced engine builder to take apart and inspect/rebuild? If you don't, you may get lucky, but might always be anxious it will blow up on you at any moment.
I think way back about 10 or 20 pages BK said in a e-mail to jb that he paid 4 or 5 grand for the Charger body. LEON.
Quote from: joflaig on December 28, 2008, 07:50:11 PM
jb666, maybe I missed it but are going to take that HEMI to a mopar experienced engine builder to take apart and inspect/rebuild? If you don't, you may get lucky, but might always be anxious it will blow up on you at any moment.
It's already there. :cheers:
ok, after 2 hours of searching I found the Evidence. On page 9, 8 post down JB666 Post BK's email comment to him. In this post in bold writing BK say's they never paid $20k for the shell but more like 4k for the shell. SO, BK himself sez the shell was a $4,000 purchase. Case closed on that subject. LEON.
And again I'll say, that's about one zero too many.
What was the wording BK used in reference to Wyotech welding? One of BK's welders is/was WT certified? Because now WT might be after some defamation $ from BK uh huh... Less for claimant group yup.
I really don't see wyotech suing over this. Besides, they said over ten emails came in to them linking to this thread. :lol:
Well, you guys were right. It was HUSH MONEY, and I'm not taking it. I got an email this morning stating that unless this thread disappears (which he says is "illegal" of me to have posted in the first place :rofl: . Funny, since all I did was post FACTS) he will not send me a check.. He went on to say that he wants me to post that I was "wrong", and the car was "not a $70k rebuild, but a cheap car for a cheap price".
The bottom line is INCLUDING THE ENGINE Brian sent, BK was given $70k to work with. MORE THEN THAT, actually, and they produced a car worth MAYBE $25k.
So no, I won't be selling my soul for a piddly little amount of $$. The offer was an insult, but I was hoping it was a means to an end.
WRONG. It was a means for them to get their "good name" back. They can go blow the dog.
:rotz: :rotz: :rotz:
Not a surprise at all my friend, not a surprise at all.
Oh, I am beyond pissed right now. You have no idea.
I'm not coming here and lying that things I said/showed were "my mistake". HUH!?!?!?! WTF???
One funny part is they will not admit the whole Royal Purple thing. They charged like $120 for it, and it was NOT in the motor. We drained it with only 20 miles on the motor and it was DARK BROWN. Royal Purple, BK says, loses it's "purple" look after it's been in the motor running for a mile. BS. And who breaks a motor in with Royal Purple?? It was NOT RP's new "breakin formula", just their normal blend. :brickwall: All I know is conventional oil came out of there and conventional oil went back in there.
I've had it. I'm not responding to any more emails.. I was trying to be civil, but all it got me was right back where I started
You have to remember Jeff, you are dealing with what by all evidence appear to be criminals. The nature of a thief is to steal and you cannot change it. This isn't someone who is taking a loaf of bread out of starvation and desperation, this is a liar who set out to cheat and swindle by design. His latest scam is more proof that it is the way he is wired and you should never expect anything but deceit.
Quote from: Ghoste on December 29, 2008, 12:44:26 PM
You have to remember Jeff, you are dealing with what by all evidence appear to be criminals. A criminal is inherently dishonest and that is their nature, you cannot change it or expect anything but deceit.
Obviously this is the case. Either way I'm done. Now I'm pissed.
Quote from: jb666 on December 29, 2008, 01:08:38 PM
Now I'm pissed.
It's about time! Now go do work on these chumps. :smash: Legally of course.... :angel:
Quote from: Chris G. on December 29, 2008, 01:38:53 PM
Quote from: jb666 on December 29, 2008, 01:08:38 PM
Now I'm pissed.
It's about time! Now go do work on these chumps. :smash: Legally of course.... :angel:
I'd really like to hear frm a lawyer on just who is liable here once and for all. It's not like Jeff bought a car with a warrenty on it from GM or even one without one, but with the ability to get a free fix when the manufactuer issues a national recall.
I'm no expert, but as far as I can tell while BK may be in legal limbo for their general business practices, Brian is the one who is liable to Jeff. The title went from Brian to Jeff, not BK to Jeff.
Be sure you keep a copy of the eMail, that might come in handy later on!! :2thumbs:
Those criminals are trying to buy you out. :flame: :flame: :flame: :flame: :flame:
Quote from: joflaig on December 29, 2008, 01:57:10 PM
Quote from: Chris G. on December 29, 2008, 01:38:53 PM
Quote from: jb666 on December 29, 2008, 01:08:38 PM
Now I'm pissed.
It's about time! Now go do work on these chumps. :smash: Legally of course.... :angel:
I'd really like to hear frm a lawyer on just who is liable here once and for all. It's not like Jeff bought a car with a warrenty on it from GM or even one without one, but with the ability to get a free fix when the manufactuer issues a national recall.
I'm no expert, but as far as I can tell while BK may be in legal limbo for their general business practices, Brian is the one who is liable to Jeff. The title went from Brian to Jeff, not BK to Jeff.
Well, two points for your questions. First, liability is a fine line. If you bought a 2007 Trailblazer and sold it to your friend Joe, and the car turned out to be a complete lemon, would Joe go after you? Maybe, but in the end it's the company that built the vehicle who's responsible.
Second, this whole thing with BK has turned into a $$ issue. This thread was not started for $$ nor will it end with $$. It's about a car that was a half ass build, period. Did Brian build it? While he's turned into a bit of a ghost, he certainly can't build a car. Nor can he turn a wrench, nor could he afford to send the car anywhere for the week he had it to "create" all of these issues.
Quote from: jb666 on December 29, 2008, 02:05:22 PM
Quote from: joflaig on December 29, 2008, 01:57:10 PM
Quote from: Chris G. on December 29, 2008, 01:38:53 PM
Quote from: jb666 on December 29, 2008, 01:08:38 PM
Now I'm pissed.
It's about time! Now go do work on these chumps. :smash: Legally of course.... :angel:
I'd really like to hear frm a lawyer on just who is liable here once and for all. It's not like Jeff bought a car with a warrenty on it from GM or even one without one, but with the ability to get a free fix when the manufactuer issues a national recall.
I'm no expert, but as far as I can tell while BK may be in legal limbo for their general business practices, Brian is the one who is liable to Jeff. The title went from Brian to Jeff, not BK to Jeff.
Well, two points for your questions. First, liability is a fine line. If you bought a 2007 Trailblazer and sold it to your friend Joe, and the car turned out to be a complete lemon, would Joe go after you? Maybe, but in the end it's the company that built the vehicle who's responsible.
Second, this whole thing with BK has turned into a $$ issue. This thread was not started for $$ nor will it end with $$. It's about a car that was a half ass build, period. Did Brian build it? While he's turned into a bit of a ghost, he certainly can't build a car. Nor can he turn a wrench, nor could he afford to send the car anywhere for the week he had it to "create" all of these issues.
Chrysler built this car 40 years ago. BK "restored" it. They did not build a new car. All the talk here is conjecture until someone talks to a lawyer who can really say with finality what's what. My gut feelling, though, is that BK may have no liability to you.
Remember though that Jeff never asked them for liability, he started the thread to expose them and then THEY approached him with hush money. Further to that the issues aren't with the things Chrysler did to it 40 years ago, they are with the things that BK did in their alledged "restoration". Bk are very clearly NOT about liability, their bag is more liar-ability.
Quote from: Ghoste on December 29, 2008, 02:17:38 PM
Remember though that Jeff never asked them for liability, he started the thread to expose them and then THEY approached him with hush money. Further to that the issues aren't with the things Chrysler did to it 40 years ago, they are with the things that BK did in their alledged "restoration". Bk are very clearly NOT about liability, their bag is more liar-ability.
Thank you. That's my exact point. Also remember that in BK's "contract" to Brian they stated the car would be restored to factory condition.
While it would appear that joflaig would like BK to come out smelling like roses here, it's just not going to happen. I accepted responsibility (and PAID FOR) what was wrong on this car. NEVER did I ask them to do the same (while this thread was opened). It's time for them to pay the piper now.
Quote from: jb666 on December 29, 2008, 02:22:07 PM
Quote from: Ghoste on December 29, 2008, 02:17:38 PM
Remember though that Jeff never asked them for liability, he started the thread to expose them and then THEY approached him with hush money. Further to that the issues aren't with the things Chrysler did to it 40 years ago, they are with the things that BK did in their alledged "restoration". Bk are very clearly NOT about liability, their bag is more liar-ability.
Thank you. That's my exact point. Also remember that in BK's "contract" to Brian they stated the car would be restored to factory condition.
While it would appear that joflaig would like BK to come out smelling like roses here, it's just not going to happen. I accepted responsibility (and PAID FOR) what was wrong on this car. NEVER did I ask them to do the same (while this thread was opened). It's time for them to pay the piper now.
Just playing Devil's advocate here. The same thing happened to me as Jeff, though not as bad. Of course, not everything that is going on legally can be discussed on an open forum like this.
Quote from: jb666 on December 29, 2008, 01:08:38 PM
Quote from: Ghoste on December 29, 2008, 12:44:26 PM
You have to remember Jeff, you are dealing with what by all evidence appear to be criminals. A criminal is inherently dishonest and that is their nature, you cannot change it or expect anything but deceit.
Obviously this is the case. Either way I'm done. Now I'm pissed.
That's it.....time to Kill 'Em All :D
Quote from: jb666 on December 29, 2008, 12:38:22 PM
Oh, I am beyond pissed right now. You have no idea.
I'm not coming here and lying that things I said/showed were "my mistake". HUH!?!?!?! WTF???
Well, FWIW, I admire that you're doing a proper resto-mod-whatever to your car when you could have just cut your losses and found an easier build. Second, I think it's great that you're putting so much energy into hounding BK about his shitty workmanship and even shittier scams that he's been running. You've probably saved more people more money than you know.
It will all be worth it one day soon.
Quote from: 0X01B8 on December 29, 2008, 04:28:49 PM
Quote from: jb666 on December 29, 2008, 12:38:22 PM
Oh, I am beyond pissed right now. You have no idea.
I'm not coming here and lying that things I said/showed were "my mistake". HUH!?!?!?! WTF???
Well, FWIW, I admire that you're doing a proper resto-mod-whatever to your car when you could have just cut your losses and found an easier build. Second, I think it's great that you're putting so much energy into hounding BK about his shitty workmanship and even shittier scams that he's been running. You've probably saved more people more money than you know.
It will all be worth it one day soon.
Thank you, and I certainly hope you're right!!
To me, it'll all be worth it the day the General's back home in my garage where it belongs!! (Minus about 288 lbs of body filler)
Any new pictures Jeff?
I was waiting for the other shoe to fall. Figured it would but was hoping for the best.
And even though you are ticked, I think you need to take a deep breath. I don't think joflaig wants BK to come out smelling like a rose. He is just stating facts and would like someone with knowledge in the law to speak up if their is anyone who can. I would like to know also. I think BK is kidding himself if he thinks the job they did on the car can be justified. The fact remains that if Brian would have dragged them to court the outcome would be cut and dry. We are in different territory now.
I think everyone who has read this post(with the exception of BK) is on your side. I would keep all the emails and copy this whole thread for later use. As Ghoste pointed out, they made an offer to you after reading this thread. That can be construed as admitting culpability. You will also have a bill after the job is done right to compare to their bill to Brian for a crappy "bondo and paint it job". All very damning evidence if you ask me. :2thumbs:
Its the little things that eventually show the bigger picture never deal with a resto company that cant even manage to put the trunk weather strip in the right spot.
Couldn't BK be charged with like "Obstructing Justice" or something like that for trying to bribe JB666 to be quite? :scratchchin: :scratchchin:
Quote from: charger Downunder on December 29, 2008, 06:31:15 PM
Its the little things that eventually show the bigger picture never deal with a resto company that cant even manage to put the trunk weather strip in the right spot.
yeah thats true ..saw that also :yesnod:
I'm glad you did not sell out & take the money. I hate sell outs. Now you got pride & Integrity. :2thumbs: LEON.
Quote from: WingCharger on December 29, 2008, 06:36:54 PM
Couldn't BK be charged with like "Obstructing Justice" or something like that for trying to bribe JB666 to be quite? :scratchchin: :scratchchin:
I am NOT a lawyer... far from it... just worked with a bunch and have done a lot of reading on these types of cases... This is nothing but best guesses...
from a legal perspective, they are trying to mitigate damage. They offered a settlement. That is not illegal, nor is their request to remove this thread.
However, it is not illegal to post the complaint. That is not, to the best of my knowledge, protected.
The real legal issue here, from where I sit, is the concept of making Jeff whole, from a financial perspective. In short, he was sold X and it wasn't in the expected condition. Whatever it costs to get it into expected condition is the real cost.
Quote from: WingCharger on December 29, 2008, 06:36:54 PM
Couldn't BK be charged with like "Obstructing Justice" or something like that for trying to bribe JB666 to be quite? :scratchchin: :scratchchin:
I'd grow a 3rd penis before that happened.....
You already have two??
I didn't think he had any after that 60 foot ride down that razor blade incident :hack: :icon_smile_shock:
:popcrn:
damn go away for 5 days and this thread goes 10 pages WOW
Quote from: jb666 on December 29, 2008, 01:08:38 PM
Quote from: Ghoste on December 29, 2008, 12:44:26 PM
You have to remember Jeff, you are dealing with what by all evidence appear to be criminals. A criminal is inherently dishonest and that is their nature, you cannot change it or expect anything but deceit.
Obviously this is the case. Either way I'm done. Now I'm pissed.
Utoh! (http://www.domesticmisfits.net/forums/images/smilies/icon_eek.gif)
Sorry to hear that things didn't work out. I was hoping that BK would step up and make an honest attempt to make things right.
Quote from: hemi-hampton on December 30, 2008, 01:33:26 AM
I didn't think he had any after that 60 foot ride down that razor blade incident :hack: :icon_smile_shock:
:smilielol: :smilielol:
I got a call from the transmission shop yesterday. The valve body was the original , never replaced. Everything inside the tranny is burnt up. He said the transmission looked like a "painted core" to him. It's 100% done and shipping back to us today :o
Are you sure Brian and Bk aren't somehow affiliated? Just doesn't add up that he refuses to help in any way on this matter. Plus the way he was advertising the car just seemed shady.
I think there's a huge piece missing from this story, but can't figure out what it is. And I'm not saying you know what it is either.
Quote from: Chris G. on December 31, 2008, 09:43:48 AM
Are you sure Brian and Bk aren't somehow affiliated? Just doesn't add up that he refuses to help in any way on this matter. Plus the way he was advertising the car just seemed shady.
I think there's a huge piece missing from this story, but can't figure out what it is. And I'm not saying you know what it is either.
No, that's just it, I'm not sure of anything.. I'd like to think they aren't, but honestly? Who knows.. I just know that I'm now into this tranny for $1200.
Quote from: jb666 on December 31, 2008, 09:46:25 AM
Quote from: Chris G. on December 31, 2008, 09:43:48 AM
Are you sure Brian and Bk aren't somehow affiliated? Just doesn't add up that he refuses to help in any way on this matter. Plus the way he was advertising the car just seemed shady.
I think there's a huge piece missing from this story, but can't figure out what it is. And I'm not saying you know what it is either.
No, that's just it, I'm not sure of anything.. I'd like to think they aren't, but honestly? Who knows.. I just know that I'm now into this tranny for $1200.
WOW :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: thats an expensive trans , glad i know great cheap tranny builders RD(jamie) on the board here could have hooked you up
man $1200 is a lot . i bought this trans for my rod
http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autofilter=1&part=TCI-111100&N=700+115&autoview=sku
Quote from: jb666 on December 31, 2008, 09:46:25 AM
Quote from: Chris G. on December 31, 2008, 09:43:48 AM
Are you sure Brian and Bk aren't somehow affiliated? Just doesn't add up that he refuses to help in any way on this matter. Plus the way he was advertising the car just seemed shady.
I think there's a huge piece missing from this story, but can't figure out what it is. And I'm not saying you know what it is either.
No, that's just it, I'm not sure of anything.. I'd like to think they aren't, but honestly? Who knows.. I just know that I'm now into this tranny for $1200.
What kind of tranny? It's not #s matching, was it? Not to lecture :), but it does pay to ask here first before committing to something that you get quoted on (or even before getting a quote).
Quote from: moparstuart on December 31, 2008, 10:34:09 AM
Quote from: jb666 on December 31, 2008, 09:46:25 AM
Quote from: Chris G. on December 31, 2008, 09:43:48 AM
Are you sure Brian and Bk aren't somehow affiliated? Just doesn't add up that he refuses to help in any way on this matter. Plus the way he was advertising the car just seemed shady.
I think there's a huge piece missing from this story, but can't figure out what it is. And I'm not saying you know what it is either.
No, that's just it, I'm not sure of anything.. I'd like to think they aren't, but honestly? Who knows.. I just know that I'm now into this tranny for $1200.
WOW :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: thats an expensive trans , glad i know great cheap tranny builders RD(jamie) on the board here could have hooked you up
Another thumbs up for RD! :2thumbs: Now for me to just put it to use . . .
Just keep one thing in mind Jeff. . . When this car is done you will have one BadAss car. :drool5: :yesnod: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
Take it easy guys!!
First, the Summit TCI transmission is good for 450HP and a non-supercharged motor. I'm already over that and I plan on being a lot more (and supercharged). This transmission is being built to be bullet proof. These TCI trannies are good units, but they aren't built to handle mega power.
The cost I posted includes freight both ways ($100 each way), a full warranty that no one can beat, and isn't just a "rebuild". Every single pc of this transmission is new.
This guy built a transmission that's in a 2000 hp 3000 lb car that runs 6 second 1/4 miles.
This guy's tranmission is in an 8 second Nova with 1400 HP and 2 FULL SEASONS of runs, and it never missed a beat.
These are built, dyno'd and guaranteed. This builds are in over 30 cars that Jon has personally built that get run heavily at the track with NO problems.
That's enough research for me on this subject. :cheers: :cheers:
I'm not knocking the forum member here that builds transmissions. I'm SURE he's great.. But, I needed 24-48 hour turn around and I needed a no-nonsense warranty, because I'm tired of the hassles I'm getting with this car. I'm sure you can understand that.
So, let me repost.. $999 + Freight for a BRAND NEW RACE READY TRANSMISSION. :cheers: :cheers:
Well that makes more sense then.
Quote from: Ghoste on December 31, 2008, 02:36:02 PM
Well that makes more sense then.
Yes. It wasn't just a "pull and ship to the first shop we found in the yellow pages". This builder has a history with Jon. His transmissions have been put to the test 100X over and are incredible units. I want something in this car that I DO NOT/WILL NOT have to worry about.
The torque converter is being built now, custom, for the car. This will be an incredible combo. :cheers:
Check this out.. Some good info:
http://www.gmhightechperformance.com/tech/0601gm_chevy_silverado_transmission/photo_04.html
(http://image.gmhightechperformance.com/f/9048256/0601htp_04_z+chevy_silverado_transmission+dyno.jpg)
I'm sure a lot of you guys have seen this before, but before this build was necessary I wasn't aware there was such technology!!
These are the guys who did the work:
http://www.fbperformance.com/default.asp
The guys building the converter are PTC. They are at www.ptcrace.com
:cheers:
:drool5: :drool5: Oh ya baby. :2thumbs: This car's gonna fly... :2thumbs: I only wish I could ride in it someday. :yesnod: I'd like to ride behind the steering wheel please. :icon_smile_big:
I see that they are located in Bay Shore Long Island. Where are you JB?
Quote from: teamroth on December 31, 2008, 03:21:04 PM
I see that they are located in Bay Shore Long Island. Where are you JB?
I'm about 15 minutes south of Boston. They are shipping it to me. I was just in NY yesterday, but no where near there.
Skip -- That's what I'm counting on! The car is DEFINITELY in the right hands for that!!
:2thumbs: I'm glad you're counting on me riding behind the wheel. I can't fly in a plane to get to you so let me know when the car is about 3-4 days from being done so I can start driving out there. :2thumbs: :icon_smile_big: :rofl: :smilielol: Chuck.......... :cheers:
Quote from: jb666 on December 27, 2008, 03:29:20 PM
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I'm by no means an attorney, But like Skip68 said, "there is the key words that will hang them."
QuoteThe work to be performed is as follows: acquire the vehicle(s) for conversion, restore the base vehicle(s) to original body condition
I believe that since these cars are all unibody and since "Original Body Condition" was established at the point it came off of the assembly line, that everything with the exception of the drive train, bumpers and front suspension would fall under the contract that they bound themself to. Frame rails and anything else actually welded to the main body should fall under that portion of their agreement.
Any lawyer worth his salt should be able to make that stand up in front of any judge.
:cheers: :2thumbs: :icon_smile_big: You got the nail on the head Tilar. :2thumbs:
Quote from: jb666 on December 31, 2008, 03:22:40 PM
Quote from: teamroth on December 31, 2008, 03:21:04 PM
I see that they are located in Bay Shore Long Island. Where are you JB?
I'm about 15 minutes south of Boston. They are shipping it to me. I was just in NY yesterday, but no where near there.
Skip -- That's what I'm counting on! The car is DEFINITELY in the right hands for that!!
JB, let me know if you ever drive down this way! Or if I make it to Boston, I would love to see the car.
Thad
$1000 isn't abnormal for a 727 rebuild. CopeRacing, A&A, & others are all near that amount. I'm willing to guess a $600 department store trans doesn't equal a $1000 pro built trans. The $1000 trans usually handles around 200 more hp's. Cope also deals w/PTC. JMO.
Quote from: Mopar2Ya on December 31, 2008, 04:46:32 PM
$1000 isn't abnormal for a 727 rebuild. CopeRacing, A&A, & others are all near that amount. I'm willing to guess a $600 department store trans doesn't equal a $1000 pro built trans. The $1000 trans usually handles around 200 more hp's. Cope also deals w/PTC. JMO.
That's exactly it. Could an out of box transmission handle this? (this is Jon's car)
http://media.putfile.com/819
http://media.putfile.com/broken-wheelie-bar-pin-on-launch
http://media.putfile.com/may-28-2006-98
I'm not saying I'll be out there running an 8 second 1/4 mile.. I think I'd have to be towed down the track by a jet, but the fact that this exact car's been running 2 seasons with one of these trannies shows me the quality's there.
Quote from: teamroth on December 31, 2008, 04:27:46 PM
Quote from: jb666 on December 31, 2008, 03:22:40 PM
Quote from: teamroth on December 31, 2008, 03:21:04 PM
I see that they are located in Bay Shore Long Island. Where are you JB?
I'm about 15 minutes south of Boston. They are shipping it to me. I was just in NY yesterday, but no where near there.
Skip -- That's what I'm counting on! The car is DEFINITELY in the right hands for that!!
JB, let me know if you ever drive down this way! Or if I make it to Boston, I would love to see the car.
Thad
Thad, count on it. If you're ever in my area, I'll make sure I'm around!
IF there's a Dukefest this year we've been talking about going..
The 727 is a pretty stout transmission. On a par with the GM TH400 and the Ford C6. It doesn't take much to get those boxes to take some abuse... We are not talking the 700R4 here!
On a par? Back in the day when they were new designs the 727 was THE automatic transmission and it was the one the GM and Ford trannys did their best to emulate. It seems funny now but through the 60's there were a lot of kits out there to install a 727 behind your Ford or Chevy. Magazines now would have us believe the Torqueflite was just an ugly stepsister instead of the belle of the ball.
In fact, as recently as a few years ago there was a rumor going around that a bunch of Ford Stock Eliminator drivers were caught using Torqueflite guts inside Ford cases. I don't know if its true or even possible but I think even as rumor it underscores my point that we aren't on a par, we raised the bar.
Quote from: jb666 on January 01, 2009, 04:58:00 PM
Quote from: teamroth on December 31, 2008, 04:27:46 PM
Quote from: jb666 on December 31, 2008, 03:22:40 PM
Quote from: teamroth on December 31, 2008, 03:21:04 PM
I see that they are located in Bay Shore Long Island. Where are you JB?
I'm about 15 minutes south of Boston. They are shipping it to me. I was just in NY yesterday, but no where near there.
Skip -- That's what I'm counting on! The car is DEFINITELY in the right hands for that!!
JB, let me know if you ever drive down this way! Or if I make it to Boston, I would love to see the car.
Thad
Thad, count on it. If you're ever in my area, I'll make sure I'm around!
IF there's a Dukefest this year we've been talking about going..
Hey, I'll meet ya there. We can dress as Bo and Luke and Mrs. JB can dress as Daisy! :coolgleamA:
Quote from: Ghoste on January 01, 2009, 07:16:06 PM
On a par? Back in the day when they were new designs the 727 was THE automatic transmission and it was the one the GM and Ford trannys did their best to emulate. It seems funny now but through the 60's there were a lot of kits out there to install a 727 behind your Ford or Chevy. Magazines now would have us believe the Torqueflite was just an ugly stepsister instead of the belle of the ball.
In fact, as recently as a few years ago there was a rumor going around that a bunch of Ford Stock Eliminator drivers were caught using Torqueflite guts inside Ford cases. I don't know if its true or even possible but I think even as rumor it underscores my point that we aren't on a par, we raised the bar.
One thing that surprised me was the physical length of the 727. It's a big transmission!!
I'm hoping to stop at the shop today or tomorrow. Most of the electric has been completed. I realize it's a 40 year old car, but the point here is that the car was stripped to a bare shell, so this wiring was either put back IN the car or rewired this way.. What a mess. :brickwall:
Welp, as of today the transmission hasn't made it back to Jon's shop -- We kind of figured with the holidays it would be Monday.
But, I got an update today, and found out my battery cables are all done, the MSD is wired and everything under the hood is finished up. He's been going to town.
This ought to be a good week! All the new fuel tank/filler neck gaskets will be here. The tranny will be here. The torque converter will be here..
The car might actually be RUNNING soon, and right after that off to the paint shop!!! :cheers: :cheers:
:coolgleamA: sounds good :yesnod: any picture updates :popcrn:
Quote from: tan top on January 03, 2009, 02:26:49 PM
:coolgleamA: sounds good :yesnod: any picture updates :popcrn:
Not yet. I'm hoping to stop by the shop later this afternoon. Stay tuned.
ALL I can SAY is that any one that diserves A purple heart,you & your charger do! :flame:
Ever hear from Bondo King again after you turned down their bribe?
Keep in mind Jeff this is a General Lee, :yesnod: so don't go overboard on paint. :rotz: It will get touched, leaned on and maybe even someone sitting on a fender for a picture. :rotz: I had my car at an event at my daughters school and a guy put his baby on my hood for a picture. :-\ Do you have a shade of orange picked out yet?
Big Bad Orange or Corvette Flame red are both good choices. :yesnod:
Don't use Vitamin C, it's too light.
http://www.generalleefanclub.com/build/paincode.html
There's a mixture supposedly off one of the 17 cars.
I'm going with what it is now, "Corvette Flame Red". :yesnod:
It's funny, I already have the code/year/paint name. When BK gave Brian a quart of this paint they wrote on the outside of the can:
1968 Corvette Red Orange gs40
Wrong year. Wrong name. Wrong code.
They even messed up the PAINT CAN :rofl:
Yes, we made it!!!!! Google "BK Auto General Lee", as if you were looking to buy one and heard their name..
There we are, right under their web site!!
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=bk+auto+general+lee&btnG=Google+Search&aq=f&oq=
While there, I clicked on Bk's first link, where they were building a General.. Check this out, the kid welding looks like he's about 11. This cracks me up too, cause it probably took him longer to lay the plastic down then it would have to snap the back seat out :hah:
(http://www.bkauto.net/media/images/glf44.gif)
And this is just an incredible build on this bar :o
(http://www.bkauto.net/media/images/GLf46.gif)
The finished/painted product came out really nice :eek2:
(http://www.bkauto.net/media/images/GLf51.gif)
Saw you changed the title. :cheers:
Now all will know! :D
Quote from: WingCharger on January 04, 2009, 12:26:28 PM
Saw you changed the title. :cheers:
Now all will know! :D
I have no idea what you're talking about.. (http://domesticmisfits.net/forums/images/smilies/angel.gif)
A buddy of mine just emailed me out of the blue.. He was not just here, either!!!
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So yeah, I'd say it's out there all right..
Now some of the crappy welding has been explained. BK was just a little mixed up when they posted. It wasn't that their welder had graduated from Wyotech, it was that someday their welder hoped he would graduate from high school and that maybe he could enroll at Wyotech. An easy mistake and stupid of us not to understand what BK really meant. Thankfully for all the certified Wyotech grads this has now been rectified. :icon_smile_big:
Quote from: Ghoste on January 04, 2009, 12:37:10 PM
Now some of the crappy welding has been explained. BK was just a little mixed up when they posted. It wasn't that their welder had graduated from Wyotech, it was that someday their welder hoped he would graduate from high school and that maybe he could enroll at Wyotech. An easy mistake and stupid of us not to understand what BK really meant. Thankfully for all the certified Wyotech grads this has now been rectified. :icon_smile_big:
Let's be fair. Maybe BK stand for BIG KID Auto, because you only have to be 11 to work there :shruggy:
I'd hate to get some hot sparks landing on my leg while wearing shorts while welding :rotz: :-\
That must be the flame retardant plastic. I find plastic is very good at keeping things safe from fire. ::)
Don't welders have a special kind of blanket or tarp to cover things with ? ? ? :shruggy:
Quote from: skip68 on January 04, 2009, 03:15:21 PM
Don't welders have a special kind of blanket or tarp to cover things with ? ? ? :shruggy:
yep welding blankets :yesnod:
Quote from: General_01 on January 04, 2009, 02:32:49 PM
That must be the flame retardant plastic. I find plastic is very good at keeping things safe from fire. ::)
Haha yeah that's what I was thinking! Even if the plastic was covering the seat/door panel fully, any kind of splatter coming off of that exhaust pipe . . . I mean roll bar would go right through it!
Quote from: terrible one on January 04, 2009, 03:43:39 PM
Quote from: General_01 on January 04, 2009, 02:32:49 PM
That must be the flame retardant plastic. I find plastic is very good at keeping things safe from fire. ::)
Haha yeah that's what I was thinking! Even if the plastic was covering the seat/door panel fully, any kind of splatter coming off of that exhaust pipe . . . I mean roll bar would go right through it!
If you saw the bar that came off my car you'd fall on the ground laughing...
im sure it would have passed NHRA tech inspection right ?
Quote from: Rolling_Thunder on January 04, 2009, 04:16:45 PM
im sure it would have passed NHRA tech inspection right ?
Oh ABSOLUTELY, yes. The requirement for a car to be parked in the pits, maybe.
Quote from: jb666 on January 04, 2009, 03:46:26 PM
Quote from: terrible one on January 04, 2009, 03:43:39 PM
Quote from: General_01 on January 04, 2009, 02:32:49 PM
That must be the flame retardant plastic. I find plastic is very good at keeping things safe from fire. ::)
Haha yeah that's what I was thinking! Even if the plastic was covering the seat/door panel fully, any kind of splatter coming off of that exhaust pipe . . . I mean roll bar would go right through it!
If you saw the bar that came off my car you'd fall on the ground laughing...
Thats probably why the welds are so bad!! The "Ground" was on the ground laughing! :hah:
Now that it's Googling up, I wonder how long before Bondo King tries to bribe you again?
Quote from: Ghoste on January 04, 2009, 05:04:02 PM
Now that it's Googling up, I wonder how long before Bondo King tries to bribe you again?
I'm not sure, but I'm getting REALLY fed up with the crap that's being found lately.. And the more I think about it, the more I think the excuses are SUCH a bunch of BS.. There's just NO EXCUSE for any of this stuff...
Now.. The next guy in line thinking of buying/having a GL built, or maybe even entering BK AUTO in Google, this will pop up, along with the other forum(s) it's on.
If they aren't concerned with their "good" name, then why should I be???????
Everyone (in real life) asks me "how do these guys sleep at night??" when they see the car.
They are sleeping just fine, because they believe what they are telling me.
:shruggy:
Quote from: jb666 on January 04, 2009, 12:08:32 PM
Yes, we made it!!!!! Google "BK Auto General Lee", as if you were looking to buy one and heard their name..
There we are, right under their web site!!
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=bk+auto+general+lee&btnG=Google+Search&aq=f&oq=
While there, I clicked on Bk's first link, where they were building a General.. Check this out, the kid welding looks like he's about 11. This cracks me up too, cause it probably took him longer to lay the plastic down then it would have to snap the back seat out :hah:
(http://www.bkauto.net/media/images/glf44.gif)
And this is just an incredible build on this bar :o
(http://www.bkauto.net/media/images/GLf46.gif)
The finished/painted product came out really nice :eek2:
(http://www.bkauto.net/media/images/GLf51.gif)
Its ok about the bar, you know it gets covered up, see...
No one will ever see their work, or whatever they call that welding. :2thumbs: :smilielol:
note to self- Don't fu@k with the guys at DodgeCharger.com :yesnod:
Quote from: lastoasis on January 04, 2009, 07:07:59 PM
note to self- Don't fu@k with the guys at DodgeCharger.com :yesnod:
:yesnod: :yesnod: :yesnod: :yesnod: :yesnod: :yesnod: :yesnod: :yesnod: :yesnod: :yesnod: :yesnod: :smilielol:
jb666, you hit the nail on the head with that last comment, I worked with another guy at a body shop that brought his own car in to restore because the shop was slow. The job he did on this car was a exact duplicate of BK's. You would of thought he must of worked for BK at one time the work was so similar. Sad part is everybody in the shop patted this guy on the back & told him what a great job he is doing. He contantly went around bragging how good he was. I could barely hold the laughter in the car was such a joke, poorly hacked like garbage. This guy sleeps fine thinking he's another Chip Foose or Harley Earl or George Barris or Alexander brothers. These people are convinced there work is fine & only the clueless will agree. LEON.
P.S. my buddy used the exhaust pipe roll bar in his car also & it's a convertible. I hope he dont roll it & really need it :eek2: :slap:
holy cow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!for a lack of better words.... bk certainly did a number on you... but after reading a few pages, i see how horrific your charger turned out to be. i guess you learned allot more than anything else about yourself and about other people.. i award you for your patients and your drive to build a general lee. most of us here were inspired by that show in one way or another. good luck with your build any of us here I'm sure will be willing to lend a hand to you in some form or another.. just remember build yourself "your dream car" the way you want it... keep posting the pics... and try to enjoy your build its a great experience!!! :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
Quote from: autodynamics on January 04, 2009, 09:20:19 PM
holy cow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!for a lack of better words.... bk certainly did a number on you... but after reading a few pages, i see how horrific your charger turned out to be. i guess you learned allot more than anything else about yourself and about other people.. i award you for your patients and your drive to build a general lee. most of us here were inspired by that show in one way or another. good luck with your build any of us here I'm sure will be willing to lend a hand to you in some form or another.. just remember build yourself "your dream car" the way you want it... keep posting the pics... and try to enjoy your build its a great experience!!! :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
I sure have!!
As for posting pics, you can count on that.. one thing I love doing is posting pics.. I can't say any of my pictures will HELP BK's business, but they will certainly be the way the car looked..
Quote from: jb666 on January 04, 2009, 12:08:32 PM
(http://www.bkauto.net/media/images/GLf46.gif)
So was it made clear that the bar was made of exhaust tubing to the guy that bought it initially? Look at the upper bend and you can see where the pipe is smaller in diameter from being drawn over the die in the pipe bender. Jasus.
Brian
Why bother welding it to the floor? :shruggy:
I don't think anything was made clear to the guy that bought it originally. He was too far away from where the car was butchered to do much else but pay the bill I believe.
"If you can't convince them, confuse them." :RantExplode:
-- Harry Truman
Quote from: Brian Lohnes on January 05, 2009, 12:10:35 AM
Quote from: jb666 on January 04, 2009, 12:08:32 PM
(http://www.bkauto.net/media/images/GLf46.gif)
So was it made clear that the bar was made of exhaust tubing to the guy that bought it initially? Look at the upper bend and you can see where the pipe is smaller in diameter from being drawn over the die in the pipe bender. Jasus.
Brian
Hey, he got what he paid for! :cheers:
Quote from: skip68 on January 05, 2009, 12:27:06 AM
Why bother welding it to the floor? :shruggy:
IT wasn't welded to the floor, it was nothing more then Epoxy'd!
Actually epoxy is probably stronger.... :smilielol:
So, is it a functional exhaust pipe? Maybe Bondo King drives potential customers around in a car full of carbon monoxide fumes and they are so disoriented, they'll sign anything....even a contract to build a hunk of poo for Forty-Seven-Million-Dollars!
:eek2: :eek2: :eek2:
Quote from: quapman on January 05, 2009, 07:41:58 PM
So, is it a functional exhaust pipe? Maybe Bondo King drives potential customers around in a car full of carbon monoxide fumes and they are so disoriented, they'll sign anything....
That would explain their reasoning for the dome light lense melting. :smilielol:
Learn something everyday. Who needs the heater?
Quote from: quapman on January 05, 2009, 07:41:58 PM
So, is it a functional exhaust pipe? Maybe Bondo King drives potential customers around in a car full of carbon monoxide fumes and they are so disoriented, they'll sign anything....even a contract to build a hunk of poo for Forty-Seven-Million-Dollars!
:eek2: :eek2: :eek2:
thats way he was worried about the dome light burning up , he was running the exhaust through the roll bar :shruggy: :shruggy: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol:
^^ now that was classic! Nice one Stewart. :cheers:
Jeff, is your PM message box full or are you just not responding hoping I'll go away? ? :shruggy: :icon_smile_big: ;)
Quote from: skip68 on January 05, 2009, 09:27:56 PM
Jeff, is your PM message box full or are you just not responding hoping I'll go away? ? :shruggy: :icon_smile_big: ;)
:smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: chuck is an infestation he will never leave :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: love ya chuck :smilielol:
Quote from: skip68 on January 05, 2009, 09:27:56 PM
Jeff, is your PM message box full or are you just not responding hoping I'll go away? ? :shruggy: :icon_smile_big: ;)
Nonsense! I've been pre-occupied. I've collected all of the pcs of bondo taken from my car, and in my living room I'm trying to re-assemble a SECOND General Lee. We can rebuild it. We have the technology. WHO NEEDS REAR FRAME RAILS?!?!?
Plus you got the roll bar exhaust system....that will save you some money on exhuast and with that who needs a heater box. Maybe BK has some sterno left over if the car doesn't start since you are using trashed tranny parts for an engine :shruggy:........:laugh:
That makes three of us thinking alike. ;)
You guys are funny :lol:
When I found out my transmission was toast I contacted BK and told them ENOUGH IS ENOUGH. I was sick and tired of finding EVERYTHING they claimed was done wasnt. . I even put him in contact with the shop rebuilding my transmission. He called there, and got all of the details, then BK called their "builder". My answer was "well, I'm getting two different stories. One from what your builder is telling me and one from what my builder is telling me went into that transmission. My guy's telling me this was rebuilt from head to toe". Then why is the valve body loose, sloppy and 100% original looking?
What difference does that make? THE TRANSMISSION IS JUNK, PERIOD. So BK asked me to send all of the bad parts (and the stock 1800 stall converter that was supposed to be a 3500 stall) back to him, and that he'd analyze it.
Well, I don't have to be psychic to see the answer to this one "I looked everything over and it all looks fine to me". So why bother? He wants me to pay to ship the crap to him, too.. Yeah, ok.. :brickwall:
So I've given up with BK. I no longer care if they have anything to offer me, nor will I pad ANYTHING that is found on this car. Their name will be MUD on the internet by the time this car is done.. And the sad part of this is(and I've said it 100X), they could have prevented this by not being SCAMMERS and helping fix this car when I came to them (before posting here). Now the gloves are off and they will suffer because of it.
Don't send off anything to BK as I'm sure it will mysteriously become lost and or switched. :yesnod:
Quote from: skip68 on January 06, 2009, 05:57:04 PM
Don't send off anything to BK as I'm sure it will mysteriously become lost and or switched. :yesnod:
Exactly what I was thinking, too.. He kept asking me to return things.. Why, pictures won't do?? The results from an independent transmission builder won't do?
See, they HACKED this car and now they think everyone else is wrong.. :slap: Never in my life have I seen a person come up with more excuses as to why things are messed up.
I told him the ball joints almost fell out of the car and DID come off BY HAND. He says "Well that's weird, because I know the front end was done". Yeah, WHAT WAS DONE TO IT? The ball joints/tie rods were original PAINTED parts. :brickwall:
I'm convinced NOTHING on this car was inspected before/during/after "restoration".
Jeff, don't send those or any parts back to him. He will just use them in the next "RESTORATION" and your fingerprints will be all over them...
Quote from: Steve P. on January 06, 2009, 09:07:19 PM
Jeff, don't send those or any parts back to him. He will just use them in the next "RESTORATION" and your fingerprints will be all over them...
Yeah, good point.. Don't you worry, my custom made (by an 11 year old) shifter will be proudly displayed on Chuck's new mantle!!
I still think you should have an enclosed trailer to bring the car, the pics and all those "ONE OFF" custom parts to every show... Maybe one day some little "B"all "K"icker will look at a part and say, (HEY, I MADE THAT)... Then you can take him behind your trailer and kick the crap out of him..
One down and ,,,,,,,,, Then you will keep that smile until the next little Ball Kicker comes along and so on..... :D
I was actually thinking of making a "display" for the shows I go to this summer. Similar to what I did with the transformation of my Vette.. The "before/during/after" pictures with the physical evidence set up on my display rack.. I think it'd be a cool thing to bring to the shows. Trust me, people WILL know this car :lol:
Great minds think alike!! :cheers:
Quote from: jb666 on January 06, 2009, 09:09:31 PM
Quote from: Steve P. on January 06, 2009, 09:07:19 PM
Jeff, don't send those or any parts back to him. He will just use them in the next "RESTORATION" and your fingerprints will be all over them...
Yeah, good point.. Don't you worry, my custom made (by an 11 year old) shifter will be proudly displayed on Chuck's new mantle!!
:2thumbs: :drool5:
Quote from: jb666 on January 06, 2009, 10:18:06 PM
I was actually thinking of making a "display" for the shows I go to this summer. Similar to what I did with the transformation of my Vette.. The "before/during/after" pictures with the physical evidence set up on my display rack.. I think it'd be a cool thing to bring to the shows. Trust me, people WILL know this car :lol:
Chuck's got a plan for that very issue! :D "Can you say,......MATS?? ???!!!!!!" :D :yesnod:
Mrs.Skip68 ;)
Oh geeze.. I can only imagine what Chuck has planned!!! :lol:
;) Nothing toooooooo bad. ;) :naughty: :naughty: :naughty: :naughty: :naughty: :naughty: :whistling: :-X
I went to the shop tonight and took a bunch of new pictures..
The shots of the transmission parts will make you guys laugh. An $1800 "rebuilt transmission" with NO SHIFT KIT and an old rusty (yeah, it's true) valve body. How does something that's soaked in transmission fluid RUST?? For any shop to say they rebuilt this transmission is just a joke...
I'll post pictures tomorrow. I'm beat, and can't look at the screen any more.
Ok, here's a teaser.. Does this look like the valve body out of a transmission with 40 miles? On a good note, there was no Bondo found anywhere near/on the tranny!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_5931Medium.jpg)
:yesnod: 40 Underwater miles. :smilielol:
Yeah, it looks like it. And the worn bands/clutches that came back are just as bad. Nice "high dollar rebuild". I can't believe they'd put a bone stock transmission behind a Hemi and not even put a shift kit in it. :slap:
Ok, on top of the rusty valve body, here's the slop..
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/th_103_5928.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/?action=view¤t=103_5928.flv)
Just a few of the worn parts..
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_5925Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_5927Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_5929Medium.jpg)
Now:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_5948Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_5949Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_5950Medium.jpg)
A couple of misc shots that I took last night. This is 1" thick bondo from the corner of my window. It made me laugh when I saw this because BK told me in an email a couple of weeks ago "WE DO NOT USE BONDO" :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_5946Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_5945Medium.jpg)
...
Quote from: MoparManJim on January 08, 2009, 06:08:34 PM
Well, I don't think BK even knows what they are even talking about.
After seeing this thread and following it. I think if anyone wants to buy a charger, they should go to HLAPG as they probly would get a deal. :smilielol:
I think this car just rolled threw there shop and didn't even stop. :eek2:
Yeah, long enough to see about 200 of these...
(http://www.bongobongostjohn.com/blog2/images/bondo.jpg)
I'm beginning to wonder if they didn't BUY this car from HLPAG..... :scratchchin:
Quote from: Steve P. on January 08, 2009, 06:54:09 PM
I'm beginning to wonder if they didn't BUY this car from HLPAG..... :scratchchin:
When this whole thing started, I told BK Auto to "say hi to Hans next time you talk to him". He comes back with "Who's Hans".
Pffft.. Like he doesn't know.. I should have said "Say hi to the guy who showed you how to do body work"
Man this thing is bad...again good luck with the outcome...looks like its going good for once.
Honestly, i think if they just welded new metal on it would have taken less time then putting on bondo and sanding it down.
Apparently they have some influence with the makers of Bondo...
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/bondoadMedium-1.jpg)
:smilielol: That's funny. :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol:
:smilielol: :lol: :smilielol: :lol: :rofl: :rofl: :loser: :loser: :moon: :icon_bs: :buff:
I prefer this special edition can.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/GL.jpg)
:cheers: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol:
Ahh uh-uh...Words just cannot express... I'm speechless. The transmission components...the car made from Bondo...
JB, if you pursue a case against them, it's in the bag. It's so in the bag that I could be your lawyer and we'd win. And I'm an idiot!
Just wow. Wow.
-Steve
www.stanleyart.com
www.cokecar.com
I like that Coke Ride :2thumbs: LEON.
QuoteA couple of misc shots that I took last night. This is 1" thick bondo from the corner of my window. It made me laugh when I saw this because BK told me in an email a couple of weeks ago "WE DO NOT USE BONDO" rofl rofl rofl
I think you're being too harsh on BK. Their statement is probably true that they "do not use Bondo". This brand is much cheaper:
Quote from: RallyeMike on January 09, 2009, 12:04:29 AM
QuoteA couple of misc shots that I took last night. This is 1" thick bondo from the corner of my window. It made me laugh when I saw this because BK told me in an email a couple of weeks ago "WE DO NOT USE BONDO" rofl rofl rofl
I think you're being too harsh on BK. Their statement is probably true that they "do not use Bondo". This brand is much cheaper:
nice :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol:
Where do I find this premium BK filler? I want to build some heavy duty frame rails. :rofl:
Frame rails would be in the Fiberglass section. :slap: :icon_smile_big: :nana:
My torque converter showed up today! I'll be heading to the shop tonight or tomorrow and will get some more pictures.. The car's up on the lift now, so the angle is a bit better!
Ok, I Just went by the shop, where the car was on the lift.. Quite a few new things can be seen with it at eye level..
I haven't uploaded all of the pictures yet, but check out this shot of the inner driver's side fender. First, check out the Bondo. Second, check out how/where they stopped BRUSHING the black rustoleum on the inside of the fender.. Talk about a government job.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_5960Medium.jpg)
These are funny.. BK told me they didn't touch the rear end at all.. Well, I can tell you that Strange DID NOT ship the rear end out like this.. So I agree with everyone here, now, that said "TAKE THE COVER OFF AND CHECK OUT THE REAR END!". It'll be done this week, on top of a putting on a nice new cover..
But, more BK handy work.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_5963Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_5964Medium.jpg)
Ok, here are a few more shots from today. It's good to finally make way to the FRONT of the car, so I know there will be very few surprises left..
First, here's a shot that shows great finish work. It's missing the top screw. It's got Orange overspray all over it. Look at the two lower screws.. One's a sheet metal screw.. :lol:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_5967Medium.jpg)
Next, the push bar.. It's over an inch higher on one side.. It's pressed into the lower panel on the passenger's side, plus you can see where BK brushed the paint on:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_5970Medium.jpg)
Driver's side, enough room to fit your fingers in:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_5971Medium.jpg)
Passenger's front fender.. Why bother wetsanding this area? You'd have to lean down, and that's too much like work.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_5972Medium.jpg)
This front driver's lower fender patch work is awesome!! I think the same 11 year old kid that was welding with his shorts on did this... "restored to factory condition".. :slap:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_5980Medium.jpg)
Here you can see they completely cut out the lower support.. you know the pc that the radiator/front valance attaches to. In it's place the put this large pc of tube stock. The bottom of the radiator isn't attached to anything.. Bumperettes going no where... And check out the mark where their Rustoleum covered paint brush hit the painted surface.. Nice..
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_5973Medium.jpg)
I LOVE THIS.. The front driver's side frame rail.. Talk about a hack job here.. His paint brush probably wore out at this spot and he figured no one would be looking, so why bother going back..
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_5983Medium.jpg)
This is my front driver's fender.. Another FINE job NOT using Bondo. Nope, no evidence here.. And wow, they went all out painting the inside of this fender..
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_5960Medium.jpg)
Hate to say it man, but all the items just pointed out you should have picked it up on your inspection before buying the car.
Just another shot to show you how crooked the motor is sitting. BK tried to tell me that Mopar makes their oil pans like that. I realize it's offset to the side, yes.. but making the oil pan that way :hah:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_5954Medium.jpg)
This is the piece that's holding the push bar in place.. It's cut almost all the way through...
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_5953Medium.jpg)
Check this out.. Because they removed the entire front support bracket, they used a little piece of sheet metal to hold this bracket in place..
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_5957Medium.jpg)
Passenger's side front fender. It's really loose when you lean against it.. Could it have anything to do with the fact that bolts are either missing or loose, like this one? Oh yeah, no Bondo on this fender either...
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_5959Medium.jpg)
Nice patch job.. And the mud's about 1/4 thick on this lip (front driver's side)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_5962Medium.jpg)
Quote from: Back N Black on January 10, 2009, 06:59:46 PM
Hate to say it man, but all the items just pointed out you should have picked it up on your inspection before buying the car.
I agree completely. 90% of this I should have had I inspected it thoroughly.. Instead I was blinded by the Orange and never looked back (or under it). I'm definitely NOT saying I shouldn't have caught most of this stuff before leaving his driveway..
:rotz: not trying to start anything or :stirthepot: ..... a few things don't make sence , if they had really , striped the car blasted it :confused:
Quote from: tan top on January 10, 2009, 07:05:25 PM
:rotz: not trying to start anything or :stirthepot: ..... a few things don't make sence , if they had really , striped the car blasted it :confused:
That's the point I was trying to make a long time ago.. If they BLASTED this car there would be evidence.. Sand, lack of undercoating, etc... NONE of these things exist. This car was never blasted..
Thomas tried telling me "It was blasted, but we are very thorough and we blow out the sand from every hole it could be trapped in". Please... How this car even went on a rotisserie baffles me...
And why would anyone "blast" a car and then brush paint the frame after the car is put back together???? The time to do it would have been while it was apart, after blasting it..
I'm calling TOTAL BS on BK for that statement.. The shots of the rear frame rails prove this car was NEVER blasted...
Plus, today I loaded up my truck with a pile of Orange covered Bondo.. My rear quarters and a few other pcs. This will all be going towards my new "show display".. By the end of the summer everyone from Cape Cod to Boston will know the name BK AUTO from seeing this at shows...
One pc of good news is that this week I had two people (KITT owners) contact me with their list of dirty laundry. The list goes on.. This is now 6 owners who are on the bandwagon. This is an old thread, but one of the owners came from this mess..
http://knightrideronline.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6136&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0
Check out this quote from BK back in 2004 when they were being called out for making piles of crap.. it sounds like they same song and dance they are giving me 4+ years later!!
Our standard payment for vehicles ranges from very bottom-line $20,000 up to $50,000 or more. If you pay anything less, your obviously getting a pile of SH#*. I can't pay for other peopes cars out of my own pocket, its a business and the object of business is for people to pay for thier own work.
Its not a lie to say, you truly get what you pay for. But there are alot of facts still not represented here, and thats all I have to say about it.
I just cannot believe they are still standing by their "quality."
The entire car was a POS from the word go, and they just put a pretty coat of paint on it. Don't forget the junk roll bar.
These guys need to be shut down so they don't hurt anyone else. At this rate, I am shocked that a) they are still in business and b) are not in jail.
...
I understand the money part. :yesnod: Get what you pay for and that kind of stuff. :yesnod: But the part I don't understand and would love to hear BK explain to the world is the part about "restored back to original condition" :popcrn: That's in the contract. :slap: Please oh please, do try and explain this to everyone, BK Automotive!!! :popcrn: :icon_smile_big: :popcrn: I won't hold my breath waiting for that response. :smilielol: I would imagine that is the same standard contract that the others got. :popcrn: :popcrn: :popcrn: :popcrn: :popcrn: :popcrn: :popcrn: :popcrn: :popcrn: :popcrn: :popcrn: :popcrn: Chuck...............
Quote from: skip68 on January 10, 2009, 08:54:12 PM
I understand the money part. :yesnod: Get what you pay for and that kind of stuff. :yesnod: But the part I don't understand and would love to hear BK explain to the world is the part about "restored back to original condition" :popcrn: That's in the contract. :slap: Please oh please, do try and explain this to everyone Mr. Thomas Schubert of BK Automotive. :popcrn: :icon_smile_big: :popcrn: I won't hold my breath waiting for that response. :smilielol: I would imagine that is the same standard contract that the others got. :popcrn: :popcrn: :popcrn: :popcrn: :popcrn: :popcrn: :popcrn: :popcrn: :popcrn: :popcrn: :popcrn: :popcrn: Chuck...............
I think us trying to validate how BK "restored" this car would be like trying to compare an episode of Family Guy to real life..
Some times I look back and wonder .. If I KNEW how bad this car was would I have gotten involved with it?? Had I never heard the name BK Auto I'd have lower blood pressure, that's for sure.
JB:
Even if you don't receive some sort of reimbursement monies from BK, imagine creating a website telling the tale of all the hassles you've gone through with the BK built car, imagine the pages of detailed photos of their work, followed by the written emails sent to you by the owner stating what he did and didn't do to the car...and being able to show proof to the contrary! WOW!
Look, no one is that challenged not to realize that you will have more than enough PROOF to ________their business. (I'll ask you guys to fill in the blank here.) And like I said before, you are one tenacious man. You're the type of guy who would go to every parking lot in America, to every car show, to every auto-related magazine, and brag like crazy about the *amazing* work of BK.
How easy would it be to email Cliff Gromer and share your story with Mopar Action? I think Cliff would entertain this story, yes, I think he would. :coolgleamA:
Quote from: Stanleyart on January 10, 2009, 10:49:29 PM
JB:
Even if you don't receive some sort of reimbursement monies from BK, imagine creating a website telling the tale of all the hassles you've gone through with the BK built car, imagine the pages of detailed photos of their work, followed by the written emails sent to you by the owner stating what he did and didn't do to the car...and being able to show proof to the contrary! WOW!
Look, no one is that challenged not to realize that you will have more than enough PROOF to ________their business. (I'll ask you guys to fill in the blank here.) And like I said before, you are one tenacious man. You're the type of guy who would go to every parking lot in America, to every car show, to every auto-related magazine, and brag like crazy about the *amazing* work of BK.
How easy would it be to email Cliff Gromer and share your story with Mopar Action? I think Cliff would entertain this story, yes, I think he would. :coolgleamA:
Mopar Action would defiantly dig this! :icon_smile_big:
It has that "sensational" quality that MCG likes more and more too.
Quote from: skip68 on January 10, 2009, 08:54:12 PM
I understand the money part. :yesnod: Get what you pay for and that kind of stuff. :yesnod: But the part I don't understand and would love to hear BK explain to the world is the part about "restored back to original condition" :popcrn: That's in the contract. :slap: Please oh please, do try and explain this to everyone Mr. Thomas Schubert of BK Automotive. :popcrn: :icon_smile_big: :popcrn: I won't hold my breath waiting for that response. :smilielol: I would imagine that is the same standard contract that the others got. :popcrn: :popcrn: :popcrn: :popcrn: :popcrn: :popcrn: :popcrn: :popcrn: :popcrn: :popcrn: :popcrn: :popcrn: Chuck...............
They did, yes. Some even got the same "you got what you paid for" line when asked about issues.
He could come on here and explain it, but it would be more of what you've already seen from him "I dont need to defend myself. The things people are saying here I take personally, it really hurts. I run a good business"....
(http://domesticmisfits.net/forums/images/smilies/blahblah.gif) It's all the same crap coming out of his mouth(or keyboard, in this case). He has an excuse for EVERY SINGLE THING done to this car. I've never seen anything like it.
One thing I think is GREAT.. Go to Google.. Pretend your a guy looking to buy a General Lee and you heard about this company called BK Auto...
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=BK+AUTO+GENERAL+LEE&btnG=Google+Search&aq=f&oq=
#1!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Now we can finally make an impact and hopefully save someone some serious heartache from buying one of Bondo King's toilets.. :cheers: :cheers:
Quote from: jb666 on January 11, 2009, 09:53:21 AM
Quote from: skip68 on January 10, 2009, 08:54:12 PM
I understand the money part. :yesnod: Get what you pay for and that kind of stuff. :yesnod: But the part I don't understand and would love to hear BK explain to the world is the part about "restored back to original condition" :popcrn: That's in the contract. :slap: Please oh please, do try and explain this to everyone Mr. Thomas Schubert of BK Automotive. :popcrn: :icon_smile_big: :popcrn: I won't hold my breath waiting for that response. :smilielol: I would imagine that is the same standard contract that the others got. :popcrn: :popcrn: :popcrn: :popcrn: :popcrn: :popcrn: :popcrn: :popcrn: :popcrn: :popcrn: :popcrn: :popcrn: Chuck...............
They did, yes. Some even got the same "you got what you paid for" line when asked about issues.
He could come on here and explain it, but it would be more of what you've already seen from him "I dont need to defend myself. The things people are saying here I take personally, it really hurts. I run a good business"....
(http://domesticmisfits.net/forums/images/smilies/blahblah.gif) It's all the same crap coming out of his mouth(or keyboard, in this case). He has an excuse for EVERY SINGLE THING done to this car. I've never seen anything like it.
One thing I think is GREAT.. Go to Google.. Pretend your a guy looking to buy a General Lee and you heard about this company called BK Auto...
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=BK+AUTO+GENERAL+LEE&btnG=Google+Search&aq=f&oq=
#1!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Now we can finally make an impact and hopefully save someone some serious heartache from buying one of Bondo King's toilets.. :cheers: :cheers:
That looks like a headline! That is perfect, right above the company website! It even has then entire title! It isnt cut off. :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :coolgleamA: :coolgleamA: :coolgleamA: :coolgleamA: :coolgleamA: :coolgleamA: :coolgleamA:
You really should email Mopar Collectors Guide or Mopar Action dude! :coolgleamA:
:scratchchin: :2thumbs: That should be the headline for this roller coaster story. :yesnod: Thank you, thank you very much. :icon_smile_big:
I'm sorry, I forgot a word. :slap: "Restored back to original body condition" :icon_smile_big: I left out body. :slap: My bad. :smilielol:
That's great that it is #1 right in front of their website listing. This is very cool that you got it to that point JB and took the time to inform the public about this company. Can't wait to see pics of your display at car shows this summer. Spread the Word ! :2thumbs:
My biggest hope is that Mopar owners in his community start spreading the word so he can hear it in his own area. I am sure it is probably common knowledge to the Mopar community there, but it would still be neat to see this at some of the Bigger shows there in case he has displays of his own looking for more jobs there. The internet and overseas stuff probably started because he couldn't get local jobs because the crappy work was common knowledge, so who knows if it would matter.
Are you planning a trip to the Nats or Carlisle with your display? Talk about reaching the masses. :icon_smile_big:
Quote from: General_01 on January 11, 2009, 12:44:32 PM
That's great that it is #1 right in front of their website listing. This is very cool that you got it to that point JB and took the time to inform the public about this company. Can't wait to see pics of your display at car shows this summer. Spread the Word ! :2thumbs:
My biggest hope is that Mopar owners in his community start spreading the word so he can hear it in his own area. I am sure it is probably common knowledge to the Mopar community there, but it would still be neat to see this at some of the Bigger shows there in case he has displays of his own looking for more jobs there. The internet and overseas stuff probably started because he couldn't get local jobs because the crappy work was common knowledge, so who knows if it would matter.
Are you planning a trip to the Nats or Carlisle with your display? Talk about reaching the masses. :icon_smile_big:
Already in the works.. :icon_smile_big: Plus a few other tricks up my sleeve.. It'll be a good year!!
Quote from: Stanleyart on January 10, 2009, 10:49:29 PM
JB:
Even if you don't receive some sort of reimbursement monies from BK, imagine creating a website telling the tale of all the hassles you've gone through with the BK built car, imagine the pages of detailed photos of their work, followed by the written emails sent to you by the owner stating what he did and didn't do to the car...and being able to show proof to the contrary! WOW!
Look, no one is that challenged not to realize that you will have more than enough PROOF to ________their business. (I'll ask you guys to fill in the blank here.) And like I said before, you are one tenacious man. You're the type of guy who would go to every parking lot in America, to every car show, to every auto-related magazine, and brag like crazy about the *amazing* work of BK.
How easy would it be to email Cliff Gromer and share your story with Mopar Action? I think Cliff would entertain this story, yes, I think he would. :coolgleamA:
Yes, I can imagine.. I've already acquired a couple of domain names that I think will make an impact, and pages are being built.. (takes some time..). Once it's up it'll tell the story using nothing but facts & pictures.. No color commentary, just facts..
As for Mopar Action, that's a great idea that I will actively pursue.. Thanks!
Quote from: skip68 on January 11, 2009, 12:44:08 PM
I'm sorry, I forgot a word. :slap: "Restored back to original body condition" :icon_smile_big: I left out body. :slap: My bad. :smilielol:
:lol:Too funny, Chuck.. BK apparently forgot about that clause in the CONTRACT, too.
Well did I forget to mention I have Cliff's email? :o
Quote from: Stanleyart on January 11, 2009, 02:30:00 PM
Well did I forget to mention I have Cliff's email? :o
We have connection.
The process has begun. :D
Quote from: jb666 on January 10, 2009, 10:47:53 PM
I think us trying to validate how BK "restored" this car would be like trying to compare an episode of Family Guy to real life..
Some times I look back and wonder .. If I KNEW how bad this car was would I have gotten involved with it?? Had I never heard the name BK Auto I'd have lower blood pressure, that's for sure.
Yeah but in the end you're helping people become aware of the situation with BK, and it may even have some overflow to HLPAG.
Quote from: Tilar on January 11, 2009, 02:45:15 PM
Quote from: jb666 on January 10, 2009, 10:47:53 PM
I think us trying to validate how BK "restored" this car would be like trying to compare an episode of Family Guy to real life..
Some times I look back and wonder .. If I KNEW how bad this car was would I have gotten involved with it?? Had I never heard the name BK Auto I'd have lower blood pressure, that's for sure.
Yeah but in the end you're helping people become aware of the situation with BK, and it may even have some overflow to HLPAG.
I couldn't ask for anything else!! :cheers:
Quote from: Stanleyart on January 11, 2009, 02:30:00 PM
Well did I forget to mention I have Cliff's email? :o
PM sent :cheers:
Just wanted to let you guys know that you might want to put some good clothes on tomorrow.. We'll have a special guest here reading this entire thread to gather some information. More details later, but it should be good. :cheers: :cheers:
They do have cameras so PLEASE be on your best behavior. :icon_smile_big:
Quote from: jb666 on January 11, 2009, 04:16:24 PM
Just wanted to let you guys know that you might want to put some good clothes on tomorrow.. We'll have a special guest here reading this entire thread to gather some information. More details later, but it should be good. :cheers: :cheers:
If it is a person from a magazine, please post a picture of a chunk of bondo. :icon_smile_wink:
I am still amazed at how much you have had to do on this car. I've been following along since you posted it on CGLFC.
:2thumbs: I hope to add to this in a few days. :yesnod: :icon_smile_big:
If BK has the nerve to go to the Houston Autorama this year they are in for a big surprise.. It's amazing how powerful the internet can be.. There isn't much you can't find these days. BK was there this past year (Thanksgiving time) and they saw very little activity, I'm told (by a person who works at organizing these shows). They'll have hay bails blowing by their booth this year..
I hope they come to M.A.T.S. this year. It would be cool if they could sign my display. :smilielol: Because you know, Art is worth more if it is signed by the artist. :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol:
Chuck...........
( NOTE FROM MODERATORS)
I know this thread mean an awful lot to all of us and to many people all over the WWW. This is an incredible story that is unfolding before our very eyes and has become a very well known thread all over the world.
It is very hard to read some of the nightmare that Jeff is living and I know we all have our own way of expressing ourselves and trying to cheer Jeff up and cheer him on for standing up to these people and all the people like them out there. This story and information is absolutely invaluable.
That being said, I ask everyone who is reading this and feeling the pain of this nightmare to please hold down the funnies and keep this thread on track. This is reaching the media as we speak. I and Jeff and I'm very sure that ALL of us want to see justice and even more media taking notice and helping Jeff and us shut people like this down by making people aware of the all consuming nightmare they "COULD" be living without this thread. Too much horsing around may just stop some people from taking this matter seriously and that could end up costing them.
Side note: If anyone has noticed that the thread has been adjusted or that some replies have disappeared this is the reason why. Take it up with me in a PM.
Thank you, Steve P.
Thanks, Steve, I appreciate it!!
All of you guys have been great -- The help you've given me has been amazing. There's been contact from current (BK car) owners, newspapers, television reports and magazines. I'm hoping this story keeps growing (unlike my bank account) because it'll help others in the same position I was in NOT buy the wrong car. Considering we've put this thread OVER anything else on Google is huge, it means that people WILL find this thread when/if they are looking for a General Lee. Once my website goes up (with multiple domain names all pointing to the same place) people won't be able to miss this story.
Anyways, everyone, THANK YOU!! :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
JB, a small aside, you may want to add in the title of the thread bkauto.net, for a couple of reasons, when I google bkauto, I don't get this thread, and there are a few other bkauto's out there who I am sure would not want their names associated with this guy. Also I hadn't realized it before, but the real name of the company is Blackknight automotive llc, just a few thoughts, to maybe push this up on google. Just a few thoughts, hope it helps man, best of luck!
No complaints from me Steve. I understand the reasoning. Keep up the good moderatin'. :2thumbs:
No problem brother... I just hope all these media people understand the passion, blood, sweat, money and tears that is behind every car in this hobby and life.
Quote from: teamroth on January 12, 2009, 08:29:49 PM
JB, a small aside, you may want to add in the title of the thread bkauto.net, for a couple of reasons, when I google bkauto, I don't get this thread, and there are a few other bkauto's out there who I am sure would not want their names associated with this guy. Also I hadn't realized it before, but the real name of the company is Blackknight automotive llc, just a few thoughts, to maybe push this up on google. Just a few thoughts, hope it helps man, best of luck!
Good suggestion. I feel bad for the other businesses with this name, right now...
When I bring my website to the surface , it'll have enough key words that it'll be right there with BK's home page on EBay no matter how it's searched. This whole deal will be a black cloud over BK's head for a long time to come.
I'll bet they wished they just agreed to repair the car when the deal was on the table.. Of course, they'll say they DID offer to fix it (if I shipped it to AND from them at my expense AND paid for all the materials). Good "deal" huh?
Quote from: jb666 on January 12, 2009, 08:34:27 PM
Quote from: teamroth on January 12, 2009, 08:29:49 PM
JB, a small aside, you may want to add in the title of the thread bkauto.net, for a couple of reasons, when I google bkauto, I don't get this thread, and there are a few other bkauto's out there who I am sure would not want their names associated with this guy. Also I hadn't realized it before, but the real name of the company is Blackknight automotive llc, just a few thoughts, to maybe push this up on google. Just a few thoughts, hope it helps man, best of luck!
Good suggestion. I feel bad for the other businesses with this name, right now...
When I bring my website to the surface , it'll have enough key words that it'll be right there with BK's home page on EBay no matter how it's searched. This whole deal will be a black cloud over BK's head for a long time to come.
I'll bet they wished they just agreed to repair the car when the deal was on the table.. Of course, they'll say they DID offer to fix it (if I shipped it to AND from them at my expense AND paid for all the materials). Good "deal" huh?
lol, yeah great deal, only an idiot would pass that up. HUH? I was just looking at their website, it's incredible, he says he redid a Joe Dirt GTX(really he was thinking Tommy Boy) for himself, dude you can see the poor welding jobs sticking out like a sore thumb! I mean it's bad, I could even see where he fiberglassed the floor of "his" own car. And even worse, I was looking at the repair/fabrication of the shock towers, and I'll be darned, BONDO! How could you do this to your own car? Easy, you lie on the web and say it's yours, and you sell it to the first one who misses all the bondo and fiberglass....Seriously unbelievable.
Quote from: teamroth on January 12, 2009, 08:50:25 PM
Quote from: jb666 on January 12, 2009, 08:34:27 PM
Quote from: teamroth on January 12, 2009, 08:29:49 PM
JB, a small aside, you may want to add in the title of the thread bkauto.net, for a couple of reasons, when I google bkauto, I don't get this thread, and there are a few other bkauto's out there who I am sure would not want their names associated with this guy. Also I hadn't realized it before, but the real name of the company is Blackknight automotive llc, just a few thoughts, to maybe push this up on google. Just a few thoughts, hope it helps man, best of luck!
Good suggestion. I feel bad for the other businesses with this name, right now...
When I bring my website to the surface , it'll have enough key words that it'll be right there with BK's home page on EBay no matter how it's searched. This whole deal will be a black cloud over BK's head for a long time to come.
I'll bet they wished they just agreed to repair the car when the deal was on the table.. Of course, they'll say they DID offer to fix it (if I shipped it to AND from them at my expense AND paid for all the materials). Good "deal" huh?
lol, yeah great deal, only an idiot would pass that up. HUH? I was just looking at their website, it's incredible, he says he redid a Joe Dirt GTX(really he was thinking Tommy Boy) for himself, dude you can see the poor welding jobs sticking out like a sore thumb! I mean it's bad, I could even see where he fiberglassed the floor of "his" own car. And even worse, I was looking at the repair/fabrication of the shock towers, and I'll be darned, BONDO! How could you do this to your own car? Easy, you lie on the web and say it's yours, and you sell it to the first one who misses all the bondo and fiberglass....Seriously unbelievable.
Yeah, he kept comparing a lot of the work that was done on my car as "definitely not acceptable for my GTX" , but when I looked at the restoration pictures of that car I couldn't believe some of what I was seeing..
Look through their restoration pages of various cars. You wonder why people are contacting me? Welding ball joints. Mis-use/overuse of body filler, cutting corners, hack welds, etc.. All the evidence is there. It's almost like they are PROUD of promising people the elevator but giving them the shaft. Hell, I fell for it. Everyone that I showed the "restoration page" from my General said "Wow, those pictures are small but that car looks like it was done right!". There's a reason the pictures are 200X200 on their site.. It helps HIDE things. :brickwall:
When I first came to this site, I told people I was looking for a GL.. I got several PM's from members who said "If you can afford it, you can't find much nicer then this ________". It SHOWED well, from small pictures... I'll try to dig up that link.
Here's the link:
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,47733.0.html
The link that a member put up to the GL I ended up buying seems to be gone, but that's how I learned about it.. You can actually see, towards the end of that thread, that less then a week home I was finding mega problems with the car..
I hope to have an update from Texas in the morning. :yesnod: I'll keep my fingers crossed as I'm waiting for an email or phone call. :2thumbs: Of course I'll talk with you first Jeff before posting or just let you do it. :cheers: I do ask that any of you reading this that have been a victim of BK Automotive to PLEASE come forward and send Jeff (jb666) or I a PM (personal message). :yesnod: Jeff and I have contacts for you so that you can file complaints that will help you and this cause. :yesnod: We WILL respect your privacy and NOT discuss your issue in this forum unless we have your permission. Chuck..............
POR-15 is a staple in that shop, not that I'm against it, but they put it everywhere. Trunk,underbody, engine bay, and even in the interior. And you weren't the first to get that limited edition roll-cage, yours just happened to come without the center bar, at the customer's request. You should go over there and look at the welds for the torque boxes on his GTX, man I would not want to be in that thing if he ever broke that Hemi loose. Although I guess you know first hand what they look like, unless your car didn't have them? I seem to remember hearing that at some point, I may be misremembering though.
Quote from: skip68 on January 12, 2009, 09:06:45 PM
I hope to have an update from Texas in the morning. :yesnod: I'll keep my fingers crossed as I'm waiting for an email or phone call. :2thumbs: Of course I'll talk with you first Jeff before posting or just let you do it. :cheers: I do ask that any of you reading this that have been a victim of BK Automotive to PLEASE come forward and send Jeff (jb666) or I a PM (personal message). :yesnod: Jeff and I have contacts for you so that you can file complaints that will help you and this cause. :yesnod: We WILL respect your privacy and NOT discuss your issue in this forum unless we have your permission. Chuck..............
ABSOLUTELY, yes. So far the people that have contacted me (off forum) have asked to have their names kept OFF the forum, and I have completely respected that. Chuck is right, the more people that come forward, the better the results will be. Right now there's enough to shut them down.. That's not good enough. They are criminals.
Quote from: teamroth on January 12, 2009, 09:08:46 PM
POR-15 is a staple in that shop, not that I'm against it, but they put it everywhere. Trunk,underbody, engine bay, and even in the interior. And you weren't the first to get that limited edition roll-cage, yours just happened to come without the center bar, at the customer's request. You should go over there and look at the welds for the torque boxes on his GTX, man I would not want to be in that thing if he ever broke that Hemi loose. Although I guess you know first had what they look like, unless your car didn't have them? I seem to remember hearing that at some point, I may be misremembering though.
Oh, you aren't remembering wrong.. And just wait. Part of the truck load of parts I brought home the other night was my "roll cage". You guys will crack up when you see this thing. I think the 11 year old kid in the previous picture put this thing together, and there was a tiny spot weld the size of a BB holding this to the floor.
Quote from: teamroth on January 12, 2009, 08:29:49 PM
JB, a small aside, you may want to add in the title of the thread bkauto.net, for a couple of reasons, when I google bkauto, I don't get this thread, and there are a few other bkauto's out there who I am sure would not want their names associated with this guy. Also I hadn't realized it before, but the real name of the company is Blackknight automotive llc, just a few thoughts, to maybe push this up on google. Just a few thoughts, hope it helps man, best of luck!
If you Google various combinations, you'll come up with some good results:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=bkauto.net+general+lee&btnG=Google+Search&aq=f&oq=bkauto.net+general+le
He's here there and everywhere:
http://www.cardomain.com/ride/3164804
A simple business name search shows this topic on page two, but Freiburger's site is on page 1, which is huge:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=bkauto.net&btnG=Google+Search&aq=f&oq=
So we're climbing. Pretty soon any combo that BK can be associated with, so won't we.
Oh I know, but hey, that's a one off deal, never get one like that again. I was really dying at the fact that they say they are the ones custom making some of this stuff. What is there to custom make? Someone one here said it best, they do know how to shine up a turd really well! I hope you are able to shut them down. Let us know here, maybe we can start a legal donation fund. I did that once for a friend, and we raised 500 bucks. It was for something different, but I'm sure we could all spare 5 or 10 bucks to help out.
Cool. I will do that.
And let me tell you guys what my "offer" from BK was. They offered me $4k. Later on he told me that the "deal" was I had to come here and say I was WRONG about 90% of the car's problems, that they didn't hack the car and that Brian got what he paid for.
At first I was thinking "$4k is better then nothing, and God knows this thing has taken me way off guard", but then I realized I was selling my soul to the devil. I basically would have to come here and LIE just to collect $4k. Well, it's not worth it. The $$ was an insult and I'd rather pay it all out of pocket and make sure no one else gets suckered by these crooks.
So now you know.. Most of you were hoping it was a good chunk of change...
Dude, that 4K was simply a drop in the bucket for the kind of money they are stealing! Why wouldn't they offer that up? 70K for that car was about 10x what it was worth, minus Hemi. As far as I'm concerned Brian was in on the whole thing too. There's no way anyone would spend 70k on a car, and not go over it with a fine tooth comb. So as far as I'm concerned he's part of the problem too.
Quote from: teamroth on January 12, 2009, 09:32:45 PM
Dude, that 4K was simply a drop in the bucket for the kind of money they are stealing! Why wouldn't they offer that up? 70K for that car was about 10x what it was worth, minus Hemi. As far as I'm concerned Brian was in on the whole thing too. There's no way anyone would spend 70k on a car, and not go over it with a fine tooth comb. So as far as I'm concerned he's part of the problem too.
I agree. With his lack of interaction here I'm thinking more and more that he's in on it.. Plus, check out his Photobucket account.. NO pictures of the car at his house AT ALL.. Just BK's pictures.. Their latest and greatest sales rep?? :lol:
http://s149.photobucket.com/albums/s70/sickdawg_photo/
Of course, he's probably watching, and this will probably disappear now, but that'll just prove what some of you have already said.. But don't you worry, he's not being left out of the (legal) fun.
Man, I'm sure glad that I DIDN'T screw that deal up for you Jeff. :eyes: ::) :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol:
Quote from: skip68 on January 12, 2009, 09:41:24 PM
Man, I'm sure glad that I DIDN'T screw that deal up for you Jeff. :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol:
No, you didn't screw anything up. I was seriously considering it JUST TO HAVE SOME HELP with this rebuild.. I got in WAY over my head.. But then I realized I'd rather go broke then become a sell-out.
not to rip on the dude(brian that is) but you do have to think that spending 70k you have to at least know what you're looking at and realize that some things are not on the up and up for what you paid for.. and then selling it to you most likely knowing at least some of the carnage is just not right.. not nearly as bad as what has been done by the "resto" shop, but bad nonetheless.
trav
Quote from: 69charger2002 on January 12, 2009, 09:42:40 PM
not to rip on the dude(brian that is) but you do have to think that spending 70k you have to at least know what you're looking at and realize that some things are not on the up and up for what you paid for.. and then selling it to you most likely knowing at least some of the carnage is just not right.. not nearly as bad as what has been done by the "resto" shop, but bad nonetheless.
trav
Trav, normally I would agree, but I think it's like we stated before, he's thier number 1 sales rep, I'm sure he got a fat bonus this X-Mas! But if he can sleep at night, he's a lot sicker than BK himself, because BK may actually live in a dream world where he actually thinks he's building quality stuff, but I highly doubt it.
Quote from: 69charger2002 on January 12, 2009, 09:42:40 PM
not to rip on the dude(brian that is) but you do have to think that spending 70k you have to at least know what you're looking at and realize that some things are not on the up and up for what you paid for.. and then selling it to you most likely knowing at least some of the carnage is just not right.. not nearly as bad as what has been done by the "resto" shop, but bad nonetheless.
trav
Agreed. This is all the "warning" I got from Brian:
----- Original Message -----
From: bjfls**@aol.com
To: ******@comcast.net
Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 4:16 PM
Subject: Re: General
A lot of time and material charges went into this car and they add up very fast. I've got over $70 in the car and was willing to let it go for under $40. Don't want to sell it , but I have to do what I have to do.
I want you to understand this car is not a perfect # 1 trailer queen kind of car. One reason is because there are very few reproduction parts made for Mopar B bodies and sometimes you have to use what you have. I want to be honest and let you know the car has a few minor flaws, but nothing major or serious. Most people wouldn't notice. Too be honest yesterday was the first time I've driven it since I've had it. I drove it around the block when the guy took it out of the trailer when it first got here and that was it. Yesterday I took it to the gas station because it was almost out of gas when it got here. Car is very nice and gets ood and awwed over by everyone that has seen it. It drew a crowed at the gas station and about five people took pictures of it with their camera phones. A Maryland state trooper ask if he could park his police car behind it and take some pictures of it with him and his police car in them for his boys. He said they are nine and twelve and DOH is their favorite show. They watch it on DVD all the time.
The car drove nice and rode fine. I took it easy and didn't get on it hard or anything, sounds good going down the road. I wanted to trailer it to Dukesfest the last weekend in June, but unfortunately it didn't get here in time like promised and we went with out it. Out of all the Generals that showed up very few looked as nice as this car. Out of 120 cars I'd say only five or six looked as good or better than this one and only one other had a Hemi. It was a little new 5.7 small block conversion job.
Thanks for your interest,
BrianAnd this, the last time I heard from Brian...
----- Original Message -----
From: bjfls**@aol.com
To: *****@comcast.net
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2008 7:57 PM
Subject: Re: Anyone looking to buy a General Lee, STAY AWAY FROM...
That's everything I have. Like I said I deleted a lot of stuff before I started making copies of things. It was up for sale before it got here. You're right all the pictures were from bk auto. They're the only ones I have. Only drove it to the gas station down in the medium strip about two blocks away and had it towed to the place that put the starter on and drove it back from there. That place is up the street about a half mile. As far as using web post to prove I've had it for years; hence, creative writing late at night to see what a response would be. Heck. even tastee freeze has been closed and boarded up for about two years at least now. I had no idea they did things the way they did. Thomas always seemed to be a real decent guy.Sure had me fooled. When I started questiong him, he made sure to tell me I was the only person in twenty years that had ever questioned him or complained about anything with his business.You spend $70k+ on a car and DELETE things?? I'd have every tissue I blew my nose with while the car was being built.. I have to say, Thomas' big line of defense in emails has always been "You are the first one to ever complain about one of my cars!!". Really?? :lol:
This one was interesting. It was the first time I had been in touch since leaving his house...
----- Original Message -----
From: bjfls**@aol.com
To: *****@comcast.net
Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 7:57 PM
Subject: Re: General
sorry to hear about the problems you're having with the car.
my wife got laid off and was not working and money was getting tight with school tuition for the kids coming up, so car and motorcycles that were not of need were sold to help pay the bills.
i only drove it twice, that i told you about and it wasn't far. to gas station and the place up the street that put a new starter in it. the lead on the starter was loose and burned up the lug on it.
most of the stuff from bk was in e-mails. i didn't start making print copies of things until they started billing me for stuff i'd already paid for. i still have a few invoices and the original contract i can send you. I always paid them and did everything they recommended and paid for it. near the end when i started questioning double bills and payments they said it was because i was being cheap. until i started sending them copies and dates of payments, then they cut it out.
they always said the cars body was very straight with little rust, except the lower quarters. they always said frame rails and the body were in good shape except trunk and floors and lower quarters.
i never expected the things you are talking about. i new i'd probably put too much into the car and was going to take a beating when i sold it, but that's what had to be done. pretty much gave the motorcycles away too for what i sold them for.
whatever e-mails are still there i'll forward and i can mail you the other stuff i have. i almost forgot, they promised the car in six months and it took three years.
^^^ Ding Ding Ding!!! We have a winner!!! what do we have for him Johnny??? You get a fully restored 69 Dodge Charger General Lee!! With a Hemi!! This is a special model folks! It has the new lightweight fiberglass frame rails, and no added extra weight from welding slag, everything is done in the new industrial spot welding technique!! And to strengthen things up we have smoothed it out with lightweight industrial strength BONDO!! This car is amazing folks, no wasted space or wasted effort here, and JB666 wins a 70,000 dollar car for the low low price of 35,000 dollars! Sorry bro, couldn't help it. I'll take it down if you want.
Cheers man. :cheers:
Also I have been wondering for weeks, I know you're name is Jeff, but does your screen name mean JustBought DevilCar666?
Quote from: jb666 on January 12, 2009, 08:34:27 PM
Quote from: teamroth on January 12, 2009, 08:29:49 PM
JB, a small aside, you may want to add in the title of the thread bkauto.net, for a couple of reasons, when I google bkauto, I don't get this thread, and there are a few other bkauto's out there who I am sure would not want their names associated with this guy. Also I hadn't realized it before, but the real name of the company is Blackknight automotive llc, just a few thoughts, to maybe push this up on google. Just a few thoughts, hope it helps man, best of luck!
Of course, had the company sent you a written agreement stating their intentions, that would have helped too.
Quote from: Stanleyart on January 12, 2009, 10:47:37 PM
Quote from: jb666 on January 12, 2009, 08:34:27 PM
Quote from: teamroth on January 12, 2009, 08:29:49 PM
JB, a small aside, you may want to add in the title of the thread bkauto.net, for a couple of reasons, when I google bkauto, I don't get this thread, and there are a few other bkauto's out there who I am sure would not want their names associated with this guy. Also I hadn't realized it before, but the real name of the company is Blackknight automotive llc, just a few thoughts, to maybe push this up on google. Just a few thoughts, hope it helps man, best of luck!
Good suggestion. I feel bad for the other businesses with this name, right now...
When I bring my website to the surface , it'll have enough key words that it'll be right there with BK's home page on EBay no matter how it's searched. This whole deal will be a black cloud over BK's head for a long time to come.
I'll bet they wished they just agreed to repair the car when the deal was on the table.. Of course, they'll say they DID offer to fix it (if I shipped it to AND from them at my expense AND paid for all the materials). Good "deal" huh?
Of course, had the company sent you a written agreement stating their intentions, that would have helped too.
I do have that message somewhere, that he sent me via email.. Here's part of his "deal" though... You'll love this. :lol:
----- Original Message -----
From: BK Automotive LLC
To: Jb666
Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2008 2:24 PM
Subject: Re:
I dont need a rebuttal. I am being honest here, I was pissed beyond belief before because I thought you were just a jackass, making stuff up on purpose to make us look bad because you got screwed. Well, I apologise, because I see now thats not exactly the case.
you dont owe me an apology or a rebuttal or anything. I wish you might have went about it differently, but thats not here nor there now. You didnt do anything wrong to apologise for in my opinion, because you didnt know the truth about what he built and what you bought. I am positive you were told he spent 70k on a 1969 charger and expected a fully restored car, I would have. Its a shame if he advertised it that way, and its certailny a tough break for you, but a guy can have me paint a crappy car to look nice and put a $30k engine in it and advertise it as a $40k restoration, I have no control over what people do on thier own. but thats not what concerns me.
What matters most to me is just the truth. I need you to remove your current posting. That one I saw and any others you made that have the same theme of '$70k restoration BK screwed some guy on'. I dont mean you can put one up, please do. I would like to see the car tore down and rebuilt myself. What I mean is whats on there now is not only untrue, but technically what your saying is very illegal in all 50 states. Your not our customer, so you cant pass judgment in a way that could deter business from us on any work we did for someone else. its pretty black and white and by law if enforced you could be held liable for monetary damages caused by business we may loose by your posting. It has to do with the manner it is presented, I am sure you didnt know, look no sweat, just FYI stuff. Yes, the TRUTH I am saying/posting/showing is "very illegal in all 50 states" :smilielol: I can't pass judgement on a car they just built that still has their tags on it..
Sorry, but BK bolted this on my "freshly restored" car, not me!!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2216Medium.jpg).
Awesome!!
"..just FYI stuff."
:smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol:
Good thing he was looking out for your well being. :eyes:
:o To BK: Do you really want to start quoting the law? :rotz: :smilielol: Then this should be easy for you to put a stop to this whole ordeal. If you truly know the laws then you know how easy and quick it would be to have put this to rest long ago don't you.? I guess you don't understand contract laws as good as you should. Again, I am shocked at how far you have allowed this to go. :rotz: I'm not on his side but it is very disappointing to see. :rotz: I think that he BK is in over his head and getting very poor advice if any at all. :rotz: I think that he needs help on how to deal with this. The other thing that bothers me is that BK keeps forgetting that it was his shop that provided this so called (in his own words) "crappy car" :rotz: I really think he needs help and that is in a way a sad thing. :rotz:
:o Holy hell, Thank's for posting that shot of the tags. I just caught that. :2thumbs: Custom constructed vehicle---Hand assembled. :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: Those are just the words I was looking for a while back. :2thumbs: Jeff, send me that picture of the tags to my email please. That is just what I need for T-DOT and they need. :woohoo: Now the car is no longer an antique or a classic, IT IS A CUSTOM BUILD AND NOT PROTECTED BY THE ANTIQUE/CLASSIC LAWS. :2thumbs: Thank you BK for the information. :2thumbs: I will be on it first thing in the morning. :2thumbs: :icon_smile_big:
Chuck -- I'll send the original hi-res photo to you today. It's funny you'd ask, someone else emailed me earlier this past weekend and asked for that too!
JB..........'Nirvana' here.
I cant believe all this crap. I know its beating a dead horse when said, but for 70K, I'd expect one of the best damned GL's ever made. Crap, you can buy a series car for 70K, I know of one for that price.
I dont know SickDawg other than his posts at CGLFC, but the dealings with BK would have thrown up a red flag MONTHS, if not YEARS ago. I want to say quite a few months back, he was tired of Dukes and tired of the GL bashers and critics, and wanted to paint his car black again. I could be wrong, but I was under the impression he was saying he's had it for quite a while. Dont take that as gospel, it was just a thought.
The universe usually has some sort of f****d up way of sorting itself out, and I'm sure you will be happy in the end. It just sucks that this happened to you.
Hell, this even makes the Luedtke's look legit :eek2:
Thanks for keeping this subject alive.
Quote from: Obi-Wan on January 13, 2009, 09:49:53 AM
JB..........'Nirvana' here.
I cant believe all this crap. I know its beating a dead horse when said, but for 70K, I'd expect one of the best damned GL's ever made. Crap, you can buy a series car for 70K, I know of one for that price.
I dont know SickDawg other than his posts at CGLFC, but the dealings with BK would have thrown up a red flag MONTHS, if not YEARS ago. I want to say quite a few months back, he was tired of Dukes and tired of the GL bashers and critics, and wanted to paint his car black again. I could be wrong, but I was under the impression he was saying he's had it for quite a while. Dont take that as gospel, it was just a thought.
The universe usually has some sort of f****d up way of sorting itself out, and I'm sure you will be happy in the end. It just sucks that this happened to you.
Hell, this even makes the Luedtke's look legit :eek2:
Thanks for keeping this subject alive.
Who knows what to believe with him, but I do know one thing (at least the facts align with this) that he only had the car (in his garage/possession) for 2 weeks before I bought it. Brian is obsessed with the Dukes -- There's stuff all over his house/garage, and his dog is named Daisy. He's been to Duke's fests and is a die-hard fan, so I don't see him caving in to the critics of the show/car..
Either way, it's a raw deal. I think he knew more then he let on, and he knew that BK was a spawn of HLPAG. If he didn't know when it was getting built, he sure learned that when the car got home.
One thing I agree with you guys on -- If you were spending $70k+ on a car wouldn't you have spent $200 on a plane ticket and flown out to check out your vehicle BEFORE investing huge $$ into it??
:popcrn:
All I know is that if he was into the Dukes as much as you say he was and he had this kind of cash to throw at it and he was going to do it long distance, he should have went with the Smith Bros. or Professor Patrick. A "General Lee" search would have brought him to a few Dukes boards and General Lee boards and he could have gotten opinions and those two places are the ones I hear mentioned on the board all the time with nothing but good comments. I wonder if he even asked anyone about it? :shruggy:
Also, if I was planning to even drop 25K-30K into a car by a builder, I would at least fly out and meet them face to face and check out their shop in person. You can tell a lot when you meet someone in person. Plus, you take away your faceless name on the car. Usually it is harder for someone to screw you over if they meet you face to face. I am not saying they won't, but it is harder. Also, it puts them on notice that you are not afraid to pop in any time unannounced. I bet if Brian would have done that, either the car would have been built right or BK would have nixed the deal knowing he couldn't build it the way it was without being discovered until the car was delivered.
P.S.-I was one of the guys that steered you towards that car. The pics sure made it LOOK nice.
Chuck -- I got your PM and will send you the information requested. It DID go out before, but I never received confirmation from them.
As for Brian -- I have no idea what his angle is and what his motivation was. He's either in on it or he's one of the biggest idiots on the planet. Sending $70k in and never seeing what was being done is crazy. All of the emails BK sent Brian had TINY pictures attached to them showing the "work" that was being done. They were the size of my avatar inside an email.
I've seen the outside of BK (I have a friend that lives 15 minutes from there). The place looks like a junkyard. There's more rotting carcasses out there than any boneyard I've been to.
:2thumbs: I've got a few things to do and I'll get back on it. :2thumbs: Like General_01, I too had said a few things on that car (reply 74 I think) in the other thread and wish I could take my words back. :rotz: Chuck.............
Quote from: skip68 on January 13, 2009, 11:32:48 AM
:2thumbs: I've got a few things to do and I'll get back on it. :2thumbs: Like General_01, I too had said a few things on that car (reply 74 I think) in the other thread and wish I could take my words back. :rotz: Chuck.............
It's no big deal now. I look at it all as water under the bridge.. The car looked great in pictures. They knew what they were doing.. The right angles, the right light, the right SIZE. I knew something was up as soon as I started digging and couldn't find ONE full sized picture of the car being restored.. BK claimed they did that to save space on the server.. Yeah, OK..
It's funny, but when I was first looking into this car I kept telling myself "Wow, if so many die-hard Mopar guys say this car is good it must be an awesome ride", but in the end I'm the one that drove 12 hours to get it.. I know I'd have been really pissed driving home without the car and some other poor sap would be posting about the toilet they bought, but that wouldn't make it right.....
Quote from: General_01 on January 13, 2009, 11:03:32 AM
All I know is that if he was into the Dukes as much as you say he was and he had this kind of cash to throw at it and he was going to do it long distance, he should have went with the Smith Bros. or Professor Patrick. A "General Lee" search would have brought him to a few Dukes boards and General Lee boards and he could have gotten opinions and those two places are the ones I hear mentioned on the board all the time with nothing but good comments. I wonder if he even asked anyone about it? :shruggy:
Also, if I was planning to even drop 25K-30K into a car by a builder, I would at least fly out and meet them face to face and check out their shop in person. You can tell a lot when you meet someone in person. Plus, you take away your faceless name on the car. Usually it is harder for someone to screw you over if they meet you face to face. I am not saying they won't, but it is harder. Also, it puts them on notice that you are not afraid to pop in any time unannounced. I bet if Brian would have done that, either the car would have been built right or BK would have nixed the deal knowing he couldn't build it the way it was without being discovered until the car was delivered.
P.S.-I was one of the guys that steered you towards that car. The pics sure made it LOOK nice.
Here are some excellent points. On CGLFC, Scott Romine has advertised both the
Smith Brothers (since nearly the beginning of the site) and
Pro. Patrick for, gosh 3+ years (?).
As many of you know, both restoration teams have *impressive* and easy to follow portfolios, filled with detailed photos, showing disassembly and reconstruction. Their reputations are above question and you can see their completed cars first-hand at typically any Duke event.
And their building prices are listed. (At least now, maybe not back then.)
One would wonder why the restoration wasn't handled by either of these greats is questionable. Maybe the location of the shops? I don't know.
:cheers: Hey Steve, can you post the prices here for us? :cheers:
Here is the Smith Bros.
http://www.smithbrosrestorations.com/general_pricing.php
:cheers: Thank you General_01. :o
Professor Patrick does not list prices on his site that I can find, but here is his website:
http://www.scotleaidolrods.com/
Quote from: General_01 on January 13, 2009, 12:10:14 PM
Here is the Smith Bros.
http://www.smithbrosrestorations.com/general_pricing.php
So for what BK charged for this job he could have had a REAL car built from a reputable company. How frustrating is that... I've seen Smith Bros work too... :cheers: :cheers:
http://www.cardomain.com/ride/3164804#guestbook (http://www.cardomain.com/ride/3164804#guestbook)
I complemented him on his work but my comment disappeared. You can VOTE on his ride, give him as many as just one star depending on how much you like his work, and even submit him for 'showoff'.
Quote from: dstryr on January 13, 2009, 02:36:19 PM
http://www.cardomain.com/ride/3164804#guestbook (http://www.cardomain.com/ride/3164804#guestbook)
I complemented him on his work but my comment disappeared. You can VOTE on his ride, give him as many as just one star depending on how much you like his work, and even submit him for 'showoff'.
Now we know where all the 70k and other customers money goes , look at that hemi
From BK's Cardomain page...
Quote"...More information about my company can be found at www.bkauto.net (http://www.bkauto.net) and www.blackknightchoppers.net (http://www.blackknightchoppers.net)."
Anyone seen any of their Chopper handywork, or are they still newcomers to the scene? Presumably if you're assembling a bike from a pile of new parts, you can't get it wrong... :scratchchin:
Quote from: Cooperman on January 13, 2009, 04:34:20 PM
From BK's Cardomain page...
Quote"...More information about my company can be found at www.bkauto.net (http://www.bkauto.net) and www.blackknightchoppers.net (http://www.blackknightchoppers.net)."
Anyone seen any of their Chopper handywork, or are they still newcomers to the scene? Presumably if you're assembling a bike from a pile of new parts, you can't get it wrong... :scratchchin:
I can only imagine, but no, I haven't seen anything from them in that area, yet.
Have you found any original blue paint under the orange anywhere? :shruggy: A question about the steering column. Any experts chime in please. :yesnod: Since that car was an original column shift car and now the shifter is on the floor, can that be the same column even though it looks different ? :shruggy:
Quote from: skip68 on January 13, 2009, 06:32:51 PM
Have you found any original blue paint under the orange anywhere? :shruggy: A question about the steering column. Any experts chime in please. :yesnod: Since that car was an original column shift car and now the shifter is on the floor, can that be the same column even though it looks different ? :shruggy:
Yes, we found evidence of blue on certain areas of the car (under the 2" of bondo on the rear quarters). I'll be posting pictures of that mess later on.
As for the column, it was the original column with the guts removed.. Thomas told me that they "do this all the time" and have never had a column end up as sloppy as mine was.. It was missing 1/2 of it's parts inside. Every time I turned the wheel the horn would beep. Every time I touched the brakes the radio would turn on and off. When I'd turn the lights on the volt gauge would shut off. The entire thing was riddled with electrical gremlins. The funny thing is they said they replaced the harness. They sure did, with any/every pc of wire they could find laying around their shop.
Check this out, taken directly from the BK "contract" that came with this car.
While under construction at the BK Automotive LLC Facilities, mechanics will inspect and go over the safety issues. We will insure brakes, seatbelts, headlights, signal indicators and all modifications work in the way intended and cause no thread to passengers. :o ::) RIGHT THERE they've got a huge problem with how they shipped this car.. Thomas claims it was never meant for street use?? As Chuck said, above, why did he "road test" the car and bring it up to "80 mph with no problems".
Here's that document... Good stuff.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/Pages2Large.jpg)
Quote from: General_01 on January 13, 2009, 12:10:14 PM
Here is the Smith Bros.
http://www.smithbrosrestorations.com/general_pricing.php
At least with the Smith Bros they show where they actually replace sheetmetal. And you can click on a pic and see a fullsize photo.
BK is screwed because they agree and commit to these things in their contract. They will hang themselves, not to worry.
Chuck -- 34 pages are being faxed over as we speak. :cheers:
I found a few more pages of interest that came with the car. They put together a "portfolio" with a nice clear binder. :lol:
----- Original Message -----
From: BK Automotive LLC
To: JB666
Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 8:55 PM
Subject: Re: re
I wouldnt consider those movie cars anything but junk in comparison to our restos. But they arent restored. The whole idea when i started doing those was to make the cars available for folks who couldnt afford anything else. A guy cant have a frame off showcar, but he might be happy with a 30k car with a 318 and an the stock rear end and he can work on little things in his garage while playing with the car. That was the point behind them. they are in redneck garages all over, along with starsky torinos and a-team vans with guys who have an average income of about 30-40k, just everyday folks who couldnt afford to build a 50, 60 or 70k car. And all of the bodywork, metal work, paintwork, stripping, interior, wheels, tires, glass, everything but the driveline was done for right about $21k. thats why it looks like it does.
I use an analogy with my resto customers, if you give me $90,000 in parts and a $10000 car, what do you get? Not a $100,000 car, but a $10,000 car with $90,000 worth of parts in the trunk. you may not find that funny but I do. that guy sent me an engine that was worth nearly as much as the entire thing. i may have agreed to do the cheap job he asked for, but I didnt rip him off, i gave him exactly what he asked for.
HE VALIDATES ripping the customer(s) off!!!! :o
Engine - $20k
Payments to BK - $55k+
So.. I might be missing the point here.. But how is the engine worth more then he paid for the entire thing :shruggy:
This one kills me.. This came AFTER Thomas said he road tested the car and it was 100% safe:
----- Original Message -----
From: BK Automotive LLC
To: JB666
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 11:00 PM
Subject: Re: re:
And I should point out, you keep talking about safety. I never said the car was roadready today, hop in and drive. In fact, I distanced myself from that as far as I could. It was a cheaply put together car. I told him to be careful and FIRST thing when he gets it to have somenoe he trusts to go OVER EVERYTHING to get it done before he uses it and I put that in writting.
BK Automotive LLC
www.bkauto.net
713.996.9655
So he put it in "writting" that the car he just built for $70k+ was a pile of crap and should be checked out by a professional.. Nice, really nice...
If this is true about BK giving Brian what he paid for or wanted then tell BK to shut us up once and for all. Just show us the change order in the contract. :slap:
And the fun continues.. Just read some of this crap!! The guy is amazing.. "For such little $$" :brickwall:
----- Original Message -----
From: BK Automotive LLC
To: JB666
Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 11:33 PM
Subject: Re: Re:
the back up lights worked when it left, I check all lighting myself off my checklist or it cant go. I know the neutral switch was done and the reverse lights were done, at least while it was here.
Sorry to hear about the fenders and hood. Since they make them now I assume your getting all new steel replacements? i dont need to see photos (or do I mean i dont want to?) just kidding. But yeah, same story. the hood is made to look good outside, if its rough inside, it stays rough. just not smoething included for so little moola.
BK Automotive LLC
www.bkauto.net
713.996.9655
The backup lights worked? Funny, because there were no wires running to the housing(s). Even if there WERE there were no BULBS in there!! When will it end!! "restored to factory condition". So factory condition is painted over rot under the hood??
(http://www.freiburgersjunkyard.com/assets/images/news/2008/Dec/21-27/IMG_2686.JPG)
One funny thing, I forgot to post earlier, when Brian was there for the Freiburger's photo shoot:
(http://www.freiburgersjunkyard.com/assets/images/news/2008/Dec/21-27/IMG_2672.JPG)
See the green tape on the studs of this trim piece? That's what was holding it in. Not the nuts that should have been there, nope, wadded up green tape. Awesome.
I really like how he refers to his customers as "rednecks". Real classy, up front kind of guy to do business with. :eyes:
I still can't beleive he talks about his high end jobs. If anyone see's these jokers at any shows with their vehicles, please take a close look and snap lots of pics. I would like to see the REALLY EXPENSIVE bondo they use on those cars. Must be lined with gold or something. :shruggy: Heck, they might even have an age limit to work on those cars. You can work on them in the shop only if you are 15 years old and have had 3 months training with the welder. :smilielol:
Reply #1104 would be all it would take for me to drop the hammer on this guy if I were a judge. How can ((((((((((ANYONE))))))))) ((((((EVER))))))))) say to take it to someone else to inspect a car you just paid $70,K PLUS for?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ??
When this goes to the judge we HAVE to send a TV crew... This is sooooooo much more unbelievable then the OJ trials.........
This guy is the dumbest guy in the world. :rotz: He has contradicted himself over and over again. Other than the car being orange, I don't think BK knows up from down. :rotz: :popcrn: :popcrn: :popcrn: :popcrn: I've got a hunch that this will be coming to a head very shortly. I have never ever seen a man drag his company through the mud like we have seen here. :rotz:
Quote from: Steve P. on January 13, 2009, 08:57:46 PM
Reply #1104 would be all it would take for me to drop the hammer on this guy if I were a judge. How can ((((((((((ANYONE))))))))) ((((((EVER))))))))) say to take it to someone else to inspect a car you just paid $70,K PLUS for?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ??
When this goes to the judge we HAVE to send a TV crew... This is sooooooo much more unbelievable then the OJ trials.........
Well, you know, we don't tighten bolts down and such unless it is a 100K job or more. Anything below that price is just a waste of our time. :smilielol:
I know he didn't say it, but if you put everything together that he has said so far, he might as well have. ::)
He admits or imply's for 30-40k you get junk but for 50,60, 70k you get quality. If Brian paid $59k minus motor he should of got Quality as far as BK's standards go, said by BK himself. :scratchchin: :brickwall: :slap: :shruggy:
Quote from: Steve P. on January 13, 2009, 08:57:46 PM
Reply #1104 would be all it would take for me to drop the hammer on this guy if I were a judge. How can ((((((((((ANYONE))))))))) ((((((EVER))))))))) say to take it to someone else to inspect a car you just paid $70,K PLUS for?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ??
When this goes to the judge we HAVE to send a TV crew... This is sooooooo much more unbelievable then the OJ trials.........
I know, but this was following:
----- Original Message -----
From: BK Automotive LLC
To: JB666
Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 7:48 PM
Subject: Re: re:
I got up to speed in 3rd gear. fast enough to pass other cars, but that was awhile back. I know it was more than 55, I dont remember now exactly but the guages worked then, they were all new an VERY expensive. I want to say something like 750 not including the tach? I am trying to go from memory.
What parts are there bills for and no parts? I would be interested if you have the time. i am not being cynical when I say that. If I billed for something, it damn well better be on that car. Most of this type of business is based on trust, and false billing is not a practice that builds good trust.
when you first emailed me, you told me the radio was not wired right, I dont remember anything about brake lines or seat brackets but I can recheck the emails. I dont think you said anything about anything but the radio. I know the brakes worked and there were no leaks I saw. The power booster was one of the last things installed if I remember, because they were not available for HEMI b-bodies at the time and I had to have one special made. When you started the blogging, I just figured your a nut trying to get something for free.
:lol: He can't keep track of his stories.
Or this one, when I asked him what the huge hole with a pc of sheet metal SCREWED to it was in the floor:
----- Original Message -----
From: BK Automotive LLC
To: JB666
Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 7:50 PM
Subject: Re: Emailing: IMG_2488
the tunnel wasnt replaced. It had a big hole from a 4spd, i remember that. I am positive the guy who put in the shiter would have done the patch.
BK Automotive LLC
www.bkauto.net
713.996.9655
The funny part? The car was never a 4-speed. No chance at ANY point in it's life was it. :brickwall:
WTF? He had to have a special booster built because they don't make them for b-body Hemi's?
I've seen these figures come up a few times, $21k in body paint labor (BK just said again in that e-mail) $4k for rusty shell body=$25k for car. Where'd the other $34k go :shruggy: :slap:
Yeah, we all seen what that Shifter looked like, I'm afraid to see that floor Patch :o :o :o :eek2: :smilie_help: :scared: :puke:
:shruggy: Is it just me or did BK remove something in his post about a month or so ago that said $25k in parts? ? I thought he said $20k went in labor and $25k in parts. :shruggy: I guess I must have missed it. :shruggy: At this point it really doesn't matter that much.
Quote from: skip68 on January 13, 2009, 09:39:08 PM
:shruggy: Is it just me or did BK remove something in his post about a month or so ago that said $25k in parts? ? I thought he said $20k went in labor and $25k in parts. :shruggy: I guess I must have missed it. :shruggy: At this point it really doesn't matter that much.
Since you mention it, I do remember reading something about that, but I can't remember the numbers though. But what you said does kinda ring a bell though.
OK, I found what I was looking for. In post #71 BK says they got $25,000 that covered the price of the car and parts. ;) Then in post # 100-101 BK says that they got around $20,000 for labor. ;) So far that makes $45,000 for what we are seeing. :o :scratchchin: The sad part is for $45,000 I could get a brand new 1969 Dodge Charger GENERAL LEE from top to bottom and inside & out (all new sheet metal) with new engine, turn key car from Smith Bros. :yesnod: :2thumbs: That same money at BK Automotive on this car DID NOT INCLUDE AN ENGINE, NEW FRAMES, NEW FENDERS, HOOD, QUARTERS, REAR VALANCE---- I better stop now :yesnod: cause this can go on and on and on. :rotz: Now that is just wrong and very very sad. :rotz: He (BK) does not know how to manage his shop and that is not the customers fault. The Smith Bros. Restoration shop can take a rusted shell and make it new cheaper than BK can make a bondo bucket. :yesnod: Ya, you got skills BK Automotive. :smilielol: True talent. :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: You Sir are a disgrace to your profession.
Yeah, That's $4k for the car & $21k for parts. I'm sure his receipts do not total up to $21k do they :rofl: :lol: If you add the about $20k for labor (to have a 13 year old weld you shifter & exhaust pipe roll bar) that's $45k total. Where did the other $14k go? :shruggy:
I'm sure I'm like one of a few thousand lurkers to this thread, that has been silently reading it. But I gotta chime in, if to say nothing more than "wow". Thank you for posting those emails from BK.
Any time I've seen people start making this little sense, it means that there is something more (perhaps much more) to their end of the story than we are privy to. We just don't know. Be careful. Let the legal system do it's job. I respect your openness here, the way in which you're resolving the issue, and definitely the way you've turned your lemon purchase into lemonade. Good luck from here out.
Back in lurk mode.
They can ask you to remove the posts... but can't MAKE you.
However, it is not libel when it's the TRUTH!
I am curious, tho... Brian, the gentleman who bought this car, owned it for over a year and never noticed this poor build quality?
There is no doubt in my mind that BK did this car and did it this poorly.
They need to be held accountable.
He didn't own it for over a year, he had it less than a month and drove it about 5 miles IIRC.
Quote from: Ghoste on January 14, 2009, 04:52:38 AM
He didn't own it for over a year, he had it less than a month and drove it about 5 miles IIRC.
you are correct, he physically HAD the car for under a month.
Any new progess pics Jeff?
Quote from: mikepmcs on January 14, 2009, 08:42:08 AM
Any new progess pics Jeff?
This week, not yet.. I'll have some new shots very soon. The wiring is 100% done, the gas tank, lines and new seals are all done. The rear end cover (Strange) is coming in the next day or two so we'll soon see what's inside the current cover and why it was taken off. The transmission is in, kickdown/shifter cables adjusted properly. It's funny, but when BK ran all of the cables initially, they were up against the headers.. Wonder what happened there..
Then the fun begins..... The motor will be fired over, run to normal operating range, then pressure tested... PRAY FOR ME that this motor is good.
Quote from: jb666 on January 14, 2009, 06:47:44 AM
Quote from: Ghoste on January 14, 2009, 04:52:38 AM
He didn't own it for over a year, he had it less than a month and drove it about 5 miles IIRC.
you are correct, he physically HAD the car for under a month. I still say he knew.
Interesting... the tag a couple of pages earlier indicate a build of Sept 2007. I will double check that.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2216Medium.jpg)
I was right. 9/30/2007. Is that the start date or competion date?
Quote from: bogus on January 14, 2009, 10:16:05 AM
Quote from: jb666 on January 14, 2009, 06:47:44 AM
Quote from: Ghoste on January 14, 2009, 04:52:38 AM
He didn't own it for over a year, he had it less than a month and drove it about 5 miles IIRC.
you are correct, he physically HAD the car for under a month. I still say he knew.
Interesting... the tag a couple of pages earlier indicate a build of Sept 2007. I will double check that.
That's when that tag was MADE, it doesn't mean it's when the car was done.. I have emails/invoices still working out details of the car's build AFTER that tag's date.
Jb,
I thought you said you were having the motor looked at? Did you change your mind?
Quote from: Go Hogs Go on January 14, 2009, 10:42:10 AM
Jb,
I thought you said you were having the motor looked at? Did you change your mind?
Check out my reply 3-4 posts ago.. The first thing he's doing is a complete leak down test.. Then we'll go from there.
I got it all Jeff. :cheers: :o THIS CAR IS NOT THE CAR BRIAN BOUGHT AND I'LL TELL YOU WHY.!!! BK Automotive has done nothing but say how honest he is. :-\ We really don't know him so, just for fun lets say he is honest. In his own words when he describes the car to Brian in writting he said ("The frame rails are solid and that's a good thing") :-\ So, this means that the car must have been switched right BK ? :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: So, up to this point we know what Brian was told about that.
Quote from: bogus on January 14, 2009, 10:17:54 AM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2216Medium.jpg)
I was right. 9/30/2007. Is that the start date or competion date?
I would say BOTH :laugh: :icon_smile_big: :icon_smile_big: ;)
Quote from: jb666 on January 13, 2009, 08:54:47 PM
(http://www.freiburgersjunkyard.com/assets/images/news/2008/Dec/21-27/IMG_2672.JPG)
See the green tape on the studs of this trim piece? That's what was holding it in. Not the nuts that should have been there, nope, wadded up green tape. Awesome.
Wow... I'm glad that car wasn't test drove when I lived down the street from BK, I could have run over debris/parts falling off the car......... Whew.................
Troy
Quote from: skip68 on January 13, 2009, 10:57:18 PM
You Sir are a disgrace to your profession.
Lets let that simmer for a while. I agree 100%!
Quote from: WingCharger on January 14, 2009, 03:56:24 PM
Quote from: skip68 on January 13, 2009, 10:57:18 PM
You Sir are a disgrace to your profession.
Lets let that simmer for a while. I agree 100%!
What did Steve P. suggest in his note from the moderators.??..?
Quote from: skip68 on January 14, 2009, 11:19:17 AM
I got it all Jeff. :cheers: :o THIS CAR IS NOT THE CAR BRIAN BOUGHT AND I'LL TELL YOU WHY.!!! BK Automotive has done nothing but say how honest he is. :-\ We really don't know him so, just for fun lets say he is honest. In his own words when he describes the car to Brian in writting he said ("The frame rails are solid and that's a good thing") :-\ So, this means that the car must have been switched right BK ? :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: So, up to this point we know what Brian was told about that.
You have a good point.. So far, NOTHING about the "finished car" matches the car described in the contract.. Not one detail. So I have to agree, this is not the same car..
Nor is it the car BK was describing. Clean frame rails? Rear quarters that need replacing (but weren't?)? And it goes on and on....
I'm heading to the shop tomorrow after work, more pictures will be posted after that.
I got an interesting call today from a reporter in Houston.. Seems this story has been deemed newsworthy... :popcrn:
IMO, if I paid to have a car built or restored by them, I'd be pissed off if they stuck those stupid tags on it. :yesnod:
Quote from: 69bronzeT5 on January 14, 2009, 07:04:28 PM
IMO, if I paid to have a car built or restored by them, I'd be pissed off if they stuck those stupid tags on it. :yesnod:
Oh, it was bad.. One was drilled into the driver's door jamb. They messed up the first time they drilled, so when I removed this tag I found a large hole (in the wrong place) under the tag, bare metal exposed..
The other was on the driver's side inner fenderwell for the world to see when the hood was popped...
Sorry it's such a small shot, it's one of BK's pictures from their site:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/glg130.gif)
Under the hood.. Also a good shot of how they left my firewall...Patched with Dynamat
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_1936Medium-1.jpg)
And this one still cracks me up.. They missed when they drilled for the mirror :brickwall:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_5576Medium.jpg)
I found the picture of the tunnel under the center console.. This is it when the carpet was lifted.. Nice patch.. This is barely welded along the top.. I was wondering why the inside of the car was so hot while it was running!! :o
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/IMG_2488Medium.jpg)
Quote from: jb666 on January 14, 2009, 07:16:39 PM
I found the picture of the tunnel under the center console.. This is it when the carpet was lifted.. Nice patch.. This is barely welded along the top.. I was wondering why the inside of the car was so hot while it was running!! :o
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/IMG_2488Medium.jpg)
why did they cut a hole there in the first place :confused: ??? looks like its been torched or plasmad out , :scratchchin:
Quote from: tan top on January 14, 2009, 07:20:40 PM
Quote from: jb666 on January 14, 2009, 07:16:39 PM
I found the picture of the tunnel under the center console.. This is it when the carpet was lifted.. Nice patch.. This is barely welded along the top.. I was wondering why the inside of the car was so hot while it was running!! :o
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/IMG_2488Medium.jpg)
why did they cut a hole there in the first place :confused: ??? looks like its been torched or plasmad out , :scratchchin:
Your guess is as good as mine.. To adjust the kickdown linkage? It was pretty tight inside the headers :lol:
Home made transmission cooler?
Looks like after plasma cut out it was then rewelded back in :scratchchin: :shruggy: :slap: LEON.
Love the welding. My first thought was "FRANKENSTEIN" .. It may just be the picture, but it looks like it has some welding along both sides of the top of the tunnel.
I CANNOT tell you how much I am praying that you get a judge that's a real car guy....
Hummm, I wonder if this was done before or after the rotisserie blasting?? ?? ?? ?? :scratchchin:
Quote from: Steve P. on January 14, 2009, 07:49:16 PM
Love the welding. My first thought was "FRANKENSTEIN" .. It may just be the picture, but it looks like it has some welding along both sides of the top of the tunnel.
I CANNOT tell you how much I am praying that you get a judge that's a real car guy....
Hummm, I wonder if this was done before or after the rotisserie blasting?? ?? ?? ?? :scratchchin:
AND after the POR-15 coating. Guess that wasn't your car either huh Jeff?
Great Shades of Valuzet! Here's another theory to ponder.
Looking at all of the photos once more, what keeps coming to my mind over and over is that this is NOT a butchering job, this is like a job that was rushed to meet a 3 day deadline, with a crew that consisted of-- 2 guys--max!
Follow me here-- it's like the car was abruptly shoved in on a Friday night, the boss screamed THE CLIENT IS COMING and 2 guys went at it like insane men for 72 straight hours. Filling, sanding, shaping, spraying, as fast & hard as they possibly could, never having the luxury of time to address issues like metal work, solid weld jobs, covering holes, etc. (It's like the early Duke days of fixing a wrecked Lee for set the next morning.)
Hastily built, without question, because there is no way to reason how any bodyman worth his salt would allow a mess like this to go out the garage-door without some serious moral questioning.
Boss: "We have to get this Charger completely *restored* by Monday morning!!!"
Crew: "But-- that's 3 days from now!!! There is NO way we can restore an entire car!!"
Boss: "YOU HAVE TO! DEADLINE! The client will be here!"
Looks like they tried making the hole big enough to install the transmission from inside the car. :smilielol:
Quote from: Stanleyart on January 14, 2009, 08:19:14 PM
Great Shades of Valuzet! Here's another theory to ponder.
Looking at all of the photos once more, what keeps coming to my mind over and over is that this is NOT a butchering job, this is like a job that was rushed to meet a 3 day deadline, with a crew that consisted of-- 2 guys--max!
Follow me here-- it's like the car was abruptly shoved in on a Friday night, the boss screamed THE CLIENT IS COMING and 2 guys went at it like insane men for 72 straight hours. Filling, sanding, shaping, spraying, as fast & hard as they possibly could, never having the luxury of time to address issues like metal work, solid weld jobs, covering holes, etc. (It's like the early Duke days of fixing a wrecked Lee for set the next morning.)
Hastily built, without question, because there is no way to reason how any bodyman worth his salt would allow a mess like this to go out the garage-door without some serious moral questioning.
Boss: "We have to get this Charger completely *restored* by Monday morning!!!"
Crew: "But-- that's 3 days from now!!! There is NO way we can restore an entire car!!"
Boss: "YOU HAVE TO! DEADLINE! The client will be here!"
That and tons of Meth. I don't buy it. But I did read about how they did three...yes count em'
threeA-team vans in a month! So while I think this sounds typical, and completely possible, actually you know what? I'm sure you're right. Sat on Brian's HEMI and CASH for who knows how long, and sent him pics of some other car they did in the past.
I really can't wait to see what's in that rearend. :shruggy: Does anyone remember a rusty blue Charger with a black spray painted 01 on the passenger door on Ebay a year or two ago? :shruggy: I seem to remember seeing that car somewhere. :scratchchin:
Also if you look closely, you will see shit welds, and it is crooked.
:yesnod: Just one little hit on one side would screw up the other side. :rotz:
Quote from: teamroth on January 14, 2009, 08:49:02 PM
Quote from: Stanleyart on January 14, 2009, 08:19:14 PM
Great Shades of Valuzet! Here's another theory to ponder.
Looking at all of the photos once more, what keeps coming to my mind over and over is that this is NOT a butchering job, this is like a job that was rushed to meet a 3 day deadline, with a crew that consisted of-- 2 guys--max!
Follow me here-- it's like the car was abruptly shoved in on a Friday night, the boss screamed THE CLIENT IS COMING and 2 guys went at it like insane men for 72 straight hours. Filling, sanding, shaping, spraying, as fast & hard as they possibly could, never having the luxury of time to address issues like metal work, solid weld jobs, covering holes, etc. (It's like the early Duke days of fixing a wrecked Lee for set the next morning.)
Hastily built, without question, because there is no way to reason how any bodyman worth his salt would allow a mess like this to go out the garage-door without some serious moral questioning.
Boss: "We have to get this Charger completely *restored* by Monday morning!!!"
Crew: "But-- that's 3 days from now!!! There is NO way we can restore an entire car!!"
Boss: "YOU HAVE TO! DEADLINE! The client will be here!"
...Sat on Brian's HEMI and CASH for who knows how long, and sent him pics of some other car they did in the past.
And with a cache of clones, one looks just like the next .
exactly, just like the cars on HELLPAG'S site.
I believe that would be known as "BAIT AND SWITCH".
Have you guys all gone to his CarDomain page? http://www.cardomain.com/ride/3164804#guestbook (http://www.cardomain.com/ride/3164804#guestbook)
Direct quote:
Don't get me wrong, we are very mom & pop. I like to focus on low volume, high quality. We do not have a marble floor or a 10,000 sqft showroom. We have knowledgable and experianced craftsmen who work long and hard to provide a quality product for those who are concerned enough to have thier classic built or restored by true American afficianados. ;)
You see, that makes me mad that he represents True American afficianados. :rotz: Nope, I don't think so. :rotz:
Trying not to sway off what Steve asked but this statement is unbelievable, more from the cardomain page:
"More fun. Whoever did repair to the car before did a few things that I have only seen done on trailers. One major part of the fabrication on this project was replacing the rear tailpanel section. While trying to remove the 1973 tailpanel, we discovered on entire side was simply held in place with SEAM SEALER! And if you will notice, was not even rust-proofed before installation.....
(What I didnt realize at the time, this was but a taste of things to come)"
These guys are crazy. I hope this is over soon. :yesnod: It would be cool if BK would just take care of the shop bill, but I bet my shirt :scratchchin: My wifes shirt that won't happen. :icon_smile_big: ;)
Quote from: Steve P. on January 14, 2009, 10:12:10 PM
I believe that would be known as "BAIT AND SWITCH".
Or in this case, "wait to twitch".
:scratchchin: Hey Jeff, Since I know how much you love it when I ask for things, :icon_smile_big: can you get a few pictures of the front and rear tires for me? :icon_smile_big: (close ups of tread pattern) One of each will do. Thanks...
Quote from: 472 R/T SE on January 14, 2009, 10:35:52 PM
Trying not to sway off what Steve asked but this statement is unbelievable, more from the cardomain page:
"More fun. Whoever did repair to the car before did a few things that I have only seen done on trailers. One major part of the fabrication on this project was replacing the rear tailpanel section. While trying to remove the 1973 tailpanel, we discovered on entire side was simply held in place with SEAM SEALER! And if you will notice, was not even rust-proofed before installation.....
(What I didnt realize at the time, this was but a taste of things to come)"
Oh my God.. POT, MEET KETTLE. That is one of the most unbelievable and hypocritical things I've ever seen from a person. Now they are deleting all comments put up about their work :lol:
This whole thing is a joke. The fact that BK has the nerve to post things like this and continues to show up at shows looking for business is just a reflection of his ignorance.
Quote from: skip68 on January 15, 2009, 01:41:49 AM
:scratchchin: Hey Jeff, Since I know how much you love it when I ask for things, :icon_smile_big: can you get a few pictures of the front and rear tires for me? :icon_smile_big: (close ups of tread pattern) One of each will do. Thanks...
That's an odd one, Chuck, but of course, I'll do that when I head down there tonight.
Quote from: dstryr on January 14, 2009, 10:22:18 PM
Have you guys all gone to his CarDomain page? http://www.cardomain.com/ride/3164804#guestbook (http://www.cardomain.com/ride/3164804#guestbook)
Direct quote:
Don't get me wrong, we are very mom & pop. I like to focus on low volume, high quality. We do not have a marble floor or a 10,000 sqft showroom. We have knowledgable and experianced craftsmen who work long and hard to provide a quality product for those who are concerned enough to have thier classic built or restored by true American afficianados. ;)
I think they meant low quality high volume, because there is NO WAY this wasn't a typo. What's an "knowledgable and experianced craftsmen"?? The first thing that would say "DONT SEND YOUR $$ TO THESE GUYS" is the fact that they can't spell to save their lives.. Would you really want them building a CAR for you??
Quote from: skip68 on January 14, 2009, 09:20:07 PM
I really can't wait to see what's in that rearend. :shruggy: Does anyone remember a rusty blue Charger with a black spray painted 01 on the passenger door on Ebay a year or two ago? :shruggy: I seem to remember seeing that car somewhere. :scratchchin:
Yeah, me too. I'm curious as well if anyone's seen this car out there. I'll post a picture later.
:scratchchin: I'll tell you why I want to see the tires later.
:popcrn: And the hits just keep on coming...
This morning I got a phone call from a rep at Wyotech. This is in regards to a call I placed about two weeks ago. They JUST saw this picture, and the reference(s) that BK made to Wyotech "certified technicians".
(http://www.bkauto.net/media/images/glf44.gif)
I think the exact comment was "not only would we NEVER weld anything with shorts on, but we certainly wouldn't use PLASTIC to cover an item we didn't want to get burned. In a pinch you can throw a pc of cardboard up, but never plastic, it will go right through".
We talked for a few minutes, he shared his sympathy with the job that was done on this car, then he said something funny.. He says "I'm surprised no one brought this up, but the name of this car sure is funny... General Lee's Revenge?? It sure is!!"
I still can't believe they said this about a car they were rebuilding.. It's a total joke. I've had multiple emails from people in the past 24 hours that read this and couldn't believe what they were reading...
"More fun. Whoever did repair to the car before did a few things that I have only seen done on trailers. One major part of the fabrication on this project was replacing the rear tailpanel section. While trying to remove the 1973 tailpanel, we discovered on entire side was simply held in place with SEAM SEALER! And if you will notice, was not even rust-proofed before installation.....
(What I didnt realize at the time, this was but a taste of things to come)"
::)
Quote from: jb666 on January 15, 2009, 12:35:49 PM
:popcrn: And the hits just keep on coming...
This morning I got a phone call from a rep at Wyotech. This is in regards to a call I placed about two weeks ago. They JUST saw this picture, and the reference(s) that BK made to Wyotech "certified technicians".
(http://www.bkauto.net/media/images/glf44.gif)
I think the exact comment was "not only would we NEVER weld anything with shorts on, but we certainly wouldn't use PLASTIC to cover an item we didn't want to get burned. In a pinch you can throw a pc of cardboard up, but never plastic, it will go right through".
We talked for a few minutes, he shared his sympathy with the job that was done on this car, then he said something funny.. He says "I'm surprised no one brought this up, but the name of this car sure is funny... General Lee's Revenge?? It sure is!!"
I still can't believe they said this about a car they were rebuilding.. It's a total joke. I've had multiple emails from people in the past 24 hours that read this and couldn't believe what they were reading...
"More fun. Whoever did repair to the car before did a few things that I have only seen done on trailers. One major part of the fabrication on this project was replacing the rear tailpanel section. While trying to remove the 1973 tailpanel, we discovered on entire side was simply held in place with SEAM SEALER! And if you will notice, was not even rust-proofed before installation.....
(What I didnt realize at the time, this was but a taste of things to come)"
::)
must have been where he got the idea to tape the quarter ext. molding on :smilielol:
SHEEEESH,,, Now I have to clean coffee out of my brand new keyboard. :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol:
How old is that kid in the picture, 15? :lol:
Quote from: BB1 on January 15, 2009, 01:25:22 PM
How old is that kid in the picture, 15? :lol:
Maybe NOW, yes, considering that picture was probably taken in 2003. :lol:
Quote from: jb666 on January 14, 2009, 07:16:39 PM
I found the picture of the tunnel under the center console.. This is it when the carpet was lifted.. Nice patch.. This is barely welded along the top.. I was wondering why the inside of the car was so hot while it was running!! :o
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/IMG_2488Medium.jpg)
You should show Wyotech this picture, that should get Lawyers rolling on a cease and desist letter with the quickness!!
Quote from: teamroth on January 15, 2009, 05:52:10 PM
Quote from: jb666 on January 14, 2009, 07:16:39 PM
I found the picture of the tunnel under the center console.. This is it when the carpet was lifted.. Nice patch.. This is barely welded along the top.. I was wondering why the inside of the car was so hot while it was running!! :o
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/IMG_2488Medium.jpg)
You should show Wyotech this picture, that should get Lawyers rolling on a cease and desist letter with the quickness!!
Don't you worry, they've seen it (and every other weld on this car, so there would be no loop holes) :lol:
Oh there are plenty of holes though!! This look familiar? >> :misbehaving:
Quote from: dstryr on January 14, 2009, 10:22:18 PM
Direct quote:
Don't get me wrong, we are very mom & pop. I like to focus on low volume, high quality. We do not have a marble floor or a 10,000 sqft showroom. We have knowledgable and experianced craftsmen who work long and hard to provide a quality product for those who are concerned enough to have thier classic built or restored by true American afficianados. ;)
Your English teacher will tell you that Bondo King is merely a fan of AMERICANS, he doesn't mention a thing about liking or having any knowledge of CARS. Of course he spelled "Aficionado" wrong, too. Retard can't even use spell-check when he mis-uses his big, fancy words.
From dictionary.com:
n. a·fi·cio·na·do
An enthusiastic admirer or follower; a fanGive us a "D"
Give us a "U"
Give us an "H"
What's it spell?
"BK AUTO" !!!!!
That's for sure, there was no shortage of bad welds on this car.. In fact, we had a hard time finding a good one...
I found a couple more shots of our resident 12 year old bodyman/welder working on other rebuilds...
Working on the Ghostbusters car:
(http://www.bkauto.net/media/images/gb30.gif)
And, from this "restoration" , http://www.bkauto.net/0106-81.htm , this quote came:
The bodywork is underway. Here portions of teh car are primed and guidecoated for smoothing. This customers budget does not allow for everything to be perfect, so we are focusing on the areas that need the most work right now.
I can only imagine what this "cheap" customer got... But wait, he didn't get anything.. This confirms what Brian was saying, that BK would threaten to put a lien on his car if he didn't send more $$.
Not being able to afford all of the work he requested, the car was collected on a lien and resold to a customer in Louisiana, who was able to have the car finished. Here are the final photos.
And would you look at this, from the very same car, a DOME LIGHT! I thought dome lights were of the devil, that they'd heat the roll bar up so bad it would light the padding on fire??? They haven't padded this quality bar yet, though.. So it's not as much of a fire hazard.
(http://www.bkauto.net/media/images/general13.gif)
Uh oh.. Someone get the fire extinguisher!
(http://www.bkauto.net/media/images/general21.gif)
Then the floor and frame is patched, and then POR-15 coated for durability and corrosion protection. :o I can only imagine.
To be continued...
Well today's lesson is that apparently in Texas fuel filters aren't necessary.. There isn't one anywhere on the car..
During the install of the heater box Jon learned that the ring from the cowl to the AC box was completely rotted out. There was a small yard bag full of dirt and leaves inside that area. Once again, NO evidence of this car being blasted in any way... He's also cleaning up the firewall area where the Dynamat patch job was...
Pictures will follow.
Quote from: skip68 on January 15, 2009, 09:06:45 PM
:shruggy: pictures ? :shruggy: tires ? :shruggy: tire pictures ? :shruggy: :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
I have pictures, but Jon took them, I didn't make it there tonight.. I'll be there tomorrow afternoon.
Ok, here are a few shots.. The old flange :rotz: , new flange and the pile of rust....
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/IMG_2519Medium.jpg)
Hey, these look kind of like BK's welds! I wonder if Jon might have gone to W... Oh, never mind.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/IMG_2520Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/IMG_2521Medium.jpg)
Does this look like it came from a SANDBLASTED CAR?!?!?!?!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/IMG_2524Medium.jpg)
On a good note, thanks to someone on this forum I WILL HAVE HEAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Does this look like it came from a SANDBLASTED CAR?!?!?!?!
Yes! It's the new GREEN way to do it, don't use sand, recycle what's in the yard. It's called yardblasting! BK Auto invented it! :buff:
Quote from: teamroth on January 15, 2009, 09:55:09 PM
Does this look like it came from a SANDBLASTED CAR?!?!?!?!
Yes! It's the new GREEN way to do it, don't use sand, recycle what's in the yard. It's called yardblasting! BK Auto invented it! :buff:
:lol: Yeah, it looks like a metal-hungry mouse has lived up there for several years.
:o You need a leaf blower or a rake. :o
Quote from: jb666 on January 15, 2009, 09:19:44 PM
Quote from: skip68 on January 15, 2009, 09:06:45 PM
:shruggy: pictures ? :shruggy: tires ? :shruggy: tire pictures ? :shruggy: :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
I have pictures, but Jon took them, I didn't make it there tonight.. I'll be there tomorrow afternoon.
Ok, here are a few shots.. The old flange :rotz: , new flange and the pile of rust....
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/IMG_2519Medium.jpg)
Hey, these look kind of like BK's welds! I wonder if Jon might have gone to W... Oh, never mind.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/IMG_2520Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/IMG_2521Medium.jpg)
Does this look like it came from a SANDBLASTED CAR?!?!?!?!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/IMG_2524Medium.jpg)
On a good note, thanks to someone on this forum I WILL HAVE HEAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Now that's what a PROPER weld looks like...
"Cleaned up for legal purposes at the request of the owner of the car".
```````````PLEASE`````````````` If anyone has any questions about this PM JB666. `````````````````````````````````
Quote from: Steve P. on January 16, 2009, 03:59:17 PM
"Cleaned up for legal purposes at the request of the owner of the car".
```````````PLEASE`````````````` If anyone has any questions about this PM JB666. `````````````````````````````````
Thank you, Steve. Some legal information came up that forced me to remove the latest bit of information that has unfolded. I appreciate you pulling the information from the public eye. (FOR NOW)
No problem at all buddy... :2thumbs:
Some days I think I'd have been better off staying in bed. :brickwall:
Quote from: jb666 on January 16, 2009, 04:13:21 PM
Some days I think I'd have been better off staying in bed. :brickwall:
Man i thought i had gotten my self into nightmares , I feel for you dude.
Quote from: moparstuart on January 16, 2009, 04:21:33 PM
Quote from: jb666 on January 16, 2009, 04:13:21 PM
Some days I think I'd have been better off staying in bed. :brickwall:
Man i thought i had gotten my self into nightmares , I feel for you dude.
Yeah, you know, this really sucks. How people in the world can be THIS DISHONEST is beyond me. I couldn't sleep at night...
Thanks Steve. :cheers: I think from here on out we (you and I Jeff) need to continue this in private and just give updates and bumps when needed. Chuck................
Lots of photos for us please on the progress and videos when it's all done. :icon_smile_big:
This very much reminds me of my hack job car that I own and bought in haste, but, it is what it is and I just plink at it when I can. :2thumbs:
Quote from: mikepmcs on January 16, 2009, 05:12:16 PM
Lots of photos for us please on the progress and videos when it's all done. :icon_smile_big:
This very much reminds me of my hack job car that I own and bought in haste, but, it is what it is and I just plink at it when I can. :2thumbs:
Sorry to hear that Mike (Coronet?)
no comment :scratchchin:
Quote from: mikepmcs on January 16, 2009, 05:12:16 PM
Lots of photos for us please on the progress and videos when it's all done. :icon_smile_big:
This very much reminds me of my hack job car that I own and bought in haste, but, it is what it is and I just plink at it when I can. :2thumbs:
Will do, Mike!!
I went to Jon's last night. The car is really looking good. He's got the engine compartment looking GREAT (wiring, cleaning up, welding, etc...). The hood's off the car , which is good because I'm replacing it, and he's taking the 2 front fenders off this week.
I am SO ready for this whole nightmare to be over, but believe me when I tell you this,
BK is NO WHERE NEAR done with his.
:scratchchin: I don't think that you got the Happy meal from BK Jeff. :smilielol: :rofl: :rofl: Sorry folks. :rofl: This is one hell of a roller coaster ride that would make the strong puke. I was just thinking about something that I was told from Mikepmcs in the past. If the windshield is new, some may leak because the glass is not as thick so they don't seal good. :shruggy: You might want to check that, If I'm wrong, Mike or someone please correct me. :yesnod:
Quote from: jb666 on January 17, 2009, 09:47:15 AM
Quote from: mikepmcs on January 16, 2009, 05:12:16 PM
Lots of photos for us please on the progress and videos when it's all done. :icon_smile_big:
This very much reminds me of my hack job car that I own and bought in haste, but, it is what it is and I just plink at it when I can. :2thumbs:
Will do, Mike!!
I went to Jon's last night. The car is really looking good. He's got the engine compartment looking GREAT (wiring, cleaning up, welding, etc...). The hood's off the car , which is good because I'm replacing it, and he's taking the 2 front fenders off this week.
I am SO ready for this whole nightmare to be over, but believe me when I tell you this, BK is NO WHERE NEAR done with his.
Jeff, what hood are you using? I ask because I just put an AMD hood on my charger and it's very very nice. For 600 is was a bargain. I even paid less because I ordered it through gunslinger and he gave me a discount off the amd website price. Sorry if the information was posted already. I also used an AMD driver's fender and it's just as good. I didn't have the heart to scan back and look. I've read steven king books shorter than this thread...but not many that were more interesting or bloodcurdling!
Quote from: skip68 on January 17, 2009, 11:41:23 AM
If the windshield is new, some may leak because the glass is not as thick so they don't seal good.
Not wrong at all, but still looking for the thread on the correct answer. Supposedly AMD has the correct glass but you would have to call them as the stock photo on the site doesn't tell you squat.
There are a bunch of threads on this and Mikedc has some good input but it appears he is still looking for the answer as well. I'll keep looking but no matter because it opens up this question again and since this is just about the most followed thread, somebody is bound to know the answer and post it up here concerning this windshield conundrum.
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,46598.0.html
EDIT: Bill has real good input on this thread below and a possible answer on the windshield and gasket along with contact info.
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,39986.0.html
installed my original windshield , with a repop gasket from year one , used sealer along the bottom & up the sides about 6/7 inches .. as per the FSM , (factory service manual) but also put a thin bead all round , if you don't put lots of sealer in the corners & up the sides 6/7 inches ..it will leak , as the gasket just lays in place , .... a really bad design .... if you ask me ...
as for leaving the screen in that was installed when it came from BK ... not worth it ..every thing else has been wrong ..what makes this any different :scratchchin: .... sorry for sounding cynical .... but just look at their track record .... :popcrn:
They have a track record?? I'd refer to it as a HACK record. :yesnod:
As for the panels, they will be AMD panels. I've heard such good things about them as far as fit/quality.
Is the person a forum member here that gave you the discount, dkn1997?? I'll be ready to order the parts in the next 2 weeks. :cheers: :cheers:
Thanks for the advice guys -- I will make sure attention is put into those areas.
Quote from: jb666 on January 17, 2009, 01:24:27 PM
Is the person a forum member here that gave you the discount, dkn1997?? I'll be ready to order the parts in the next 2 weeks. :cheers: :cheers:
Nope, but he's a good guy and gives us discounts if you mention the site. Check out some of his other parts as well. Contact info is at the bottom:
http://gunslinger727.com (http://gunslinger727.com)
Troy
Quote from: Troy on January 17, 2009, 01:52:57 PM
Quote from: jb666 on January 17, 2009, 01:24:27 PM
Is the person a forum member here that gave you the discount, dkn1997?? I'll be ready to order the parts in the next 2 weeks. :cheers: :cheers:
Nope, but he's a good guy and gives us discounts if you mention the site. Check out some of his other parts as well. Contact info is at the bottom:
http://gunslinger727.com (http://gunslinger727.com)
Troy
Great!! Will do, thank you!!
Ok, check out some of these pictures. This is how BK professionally installed the decals and then put them under a coat of clear. I've seen decals buried under 6 coats of clear and 6 years later haven't lifted, but then, we all know it's in the prep... Here's how mine look after MONTHS on the car, and NO ONE has peeled these up. The decals on the roof even have overspray all over them, UNDER the clear.. :shruggy:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6010Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6011Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6012Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6013Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6014Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6015Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6016Medium.jpg)
The flag is absolutely HORRIBLE!!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6017Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6018Medium.jpg)
BK told me they had to slit the decal in the back because "all '69 Charger roof panels have a contour that a decal can't fit" :brickwall:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6019Medium.jpg)
Overspray:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6020Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6021Medium.jpg)
Torn UNDER the clear:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6022Medium.jpg)
Decals CAN FIT ! That is an out & out LIE . :icon_smile_angry: Those decals are the overlay ones and are harder to install. You should get the ones from Pheonix Graphics. :yesnod: :2thumbs: Mine look great. :2thumbs:
Quote from: skip68 on January 17, 2009, 02:28:37 PM
Decals CAN FIT ! That is an out & out LIE . :icon_smile_angry: Those decals are the overlay ones and are harder to install. You should get the ones from Pheonix Graphics. :yesnod: :2thumbs: Mine look great. :2thumbs:
Well, when the car's repainted I'm having the shop paint the graphics on.. I know there are better quality graphics than this set, but these just look like butt.. TOTAL lack of prep and sloppy work.. Are you surprised?
Not really, You would think that they could at least put on stickers. :rotz:
Holy crap, I've definitely seen it all now. I know this was a weird post to actually floor me, but this last decal one just did it. I cannot believe how bad they look. Man, that is just terrible.
What are you and the shop using for measurement information for the painted on set?
Mike
Quote from: jb666 on January 17, 2009, 02:31:03 PM
Quote from: skip68 on January 17, 2009, 02:28:37 PM
Decals CAN FIT ! That is an out & out LIE . :icon_smile_angry: Those decals are the overlay ones and are harder to install. You should get the ones from Pheonix Graphics. :yesnod: :2thumbs: Mine look great. :2thumbs:
Well, when the car's repainted I'm having the shop paint the graphics on.. I know there are better quality graphics than this set, but these just look like butt.. TOTAL lack of prep and sloppy work.. Are you surprised?
Agreed on the decals....I cut and apply vinyl for a living, and have done so for over a decade now and I've wrapped tighter curves than a Charger roof. Complete BS. Also need to consider the type of vinyl BK used. The gray backing I'm seeing leads me to believe it may be a cheaper intermediate calendered vinyl rather than a good cast vinyl like the good stuff 3M makes. Calendered vinyl cracks and peels much more quickly, especially in places where wide temperature variation is an issue. The shop I work at only uses cast vinyls, and only stuff made by 3M or equivalent quality. Cast films also shrink less, conform better and hold color longer. They are also easier to remove when they need to be taken off. Judging by the quality of work I've seen thus far from BK though I'm sure the prep work before laying the vinyl was nonexistent.
IMO, I'm not a fan of clearcoating vinyl, mainly for the ease of removing it later if it becomes damaged or when it eventually fades. A good vinyl should last 5-7 years on a car that is garaged, and even if it's always outside it should hold up for close to 5 years. Gloss laminates are available for vinyl that look as good as clearcoat and don't permanently seal the vinyl. I don't know if GLs are supposed to have clearcoated graphics, but if I were planning to clearcoat them I would just have them painted on. :Twocents:
*steps off soapbox*
GLs didn't have "clearcoated" looking graphics on the TV series, I'll tell you that.
Most of the ORANGE coats on those cars weren't even fully glossy by modern standards. The graphics were a combination of spray paint cans, auto body paint, brushed paint, and some decal work. How much decal work depended on the season.
Quote from: Mike DC (formerly miked) on January 17, 2009, 03:55:54 PM
GLs didn't have "clearcoated" looking graphics on the TV series, I'll tell you that.
Most of the ORANGE coats on those cars weren't even fully glossy by modern standards. The graphics were a combination of spray paint cans, auto body paint, brushed paint, and some decal work. How much decal work depended on the season.
Which is why I don't want a "show finish" on this car, I just want it to look GOOD.
Supposedly Brian "requested" the clear over the decals. At least that's what BK's web page says (during the build). If you saw all of the graphics in person you'd laugh.. There isn't one spot that's not messed up.
Quote from: mikepmcs on January 17, 2009, 02:49:13 PM
Holy crap, I've definitely seen it all now. I know this was a weird post to actually floor me, but this last decal one just did it. I cannot believe how bad they look. Man, that is just terrible.
What are you and the shop using for measurement information for the painted on set?
Mike
I'm not 100% sure on that yet. Someone on the GL site said there was a template we could buy. Why, do you have a suggestion? I want them to match the SERIES graphics.
Hopefully this will show up(image). I've run both #'s and they came up clear(my earlier fear is that the car itself was stolen), but I have solid proof now that (guess who) this car had a VIN SWAP, which as you know is a federal offense. I don't care who did it and when it was done, but judging by the fact that this dash was out and these are shiny new rivets, it doesn't take too much thought...
Sorry for the poor quality/space these two pictures take up, but it's the best I had here. It took Jon a lot of work to get at the body #.
And of course, the fender tag, which matches the # on the body but NOT the VIN on the dash..
EDIT - Photos removed for legal reasons.
Let me do some digging around. I have some Lee 1 stuff Jimmy Shine gave me and don't know if the DVD's have the measurements in the script when they stripped the 71 car and found the flag underneath. These DVD's are available to the public so I'm not betraying Jim by offering this information.
Quote from: mikepmcs on January 17, 2009, 04:27:30 PM
Let me do some digging around. I have some Lee 1 stuff Jimmy Shine gave me and don't know if the DVD's have the measurements in the script when they stripped the 71 car and found the flag underneath. These DVD's are available to the public so I'm not betraying Jim by offering this information.
Great, thank you!! :cheers: :cheers:
And things continue to get worse.........Iam assuming your car's title matches the bogus dash plate, but legally which car is it now that the vin swap crime has been committed? :shruggy: I feel for you man. Nobody deserves this.
Quote from: jb666 on January 17, 2009, 04:26:12 PM
this car had a VIN SWAP, which as you know is a federal offense. I don't care who did it and when it was done, but judging by the fact that this dash was out and these are shiny new rivets, it doesn't take too much thought...
I've been following this thread for weeks now. Up to this point I haven't chimed in with my :Twocents:
The VIN swap is the final straw in this deal. The VIN tag has been altered--painted over, no "Chrysler" dry transfer lettering on it. It's obviously been switched-it's hard to tell from the fuzzy pic but at least one of the rivets appears to be just a plain pop rivet painted black.
This, as you know is illegal in all 50 states, and is a federal offense.
Just being in possesion of a car with an altered or switched VIN tag is a BIG no-no.
If you ever get stopped by the law in that thing, you're in BIG trouble.
Unless the cop is BLIND he will impound the car.
I haven't been pulled over for several years, but even when I was driving a crappy old Maverick back in the '70s I can remember the cops checking my VIN tag and the decal in the door jam. They are trained to look for this stuff.
I'd be too paranoid to drive your car jb666 ...EVER!
I would cease all work on this car. Pay the man currently woking on it-he's been doing a good job...
Then I'd sue the living shit out of BK and the guy who sold you this car.
Someone should be going to the slammer for this. :flame:
me thinks it's time to lawyer up
this has "train wreck" written all over it
Quote from: Daytona R/T SE on January 18, 2009, 08:32:02 AM
Quote from: jb666 on January 17, 2009, 04:26:12 PM
this car had a VIN SWAP, which as you know is a federal offense. I don't care who did it and when it was done, but judging by the fact that this dash was out and these are shiny new rivets, it doesn't take too much thought...
I've been following this thread for weeks now. Up to this point I haven't chimed in with my :Twocents:
The VIN swap is the final straw in this deal. The VIN tag has been altered--painted over, no "Chrysler" dry transfer lettering on it. It's obviously been switched-it's hard to tell from the fuzzy pic but at least one of the rivets appears to be just a plain pop rivet painted black.
This, as you know is illegal in all 50 states, and is a federal offense.
Just being in possesion of a car with an altered or switched VIN tag is a BIG no-no.
If you ever get stopped by the law in that thing, you're in BIG trouble.
Unless the cop is BLIND he will impound the car.
I haven't been pulled over for several years, but even when I was driving a crappy old Maverick back in the '70s I can remember the cops checking my VIN tag and the decal in the door jam. They are trained to look for this stuff.
I'd be too paranoid to drive your car jb666 ...EVER!
I would cease all work on this car. Pay the man currently woking on it-he's been doing a good job...
Then I'd sue the living shit out of BK and the guy who sold you this car.
Someone should be going to the slammer for this. :flame:
You are right, but......... I talked to a friend of our family who runs an insurance company. He said if it really bothers me, that I can apply for a mass title/vin tag that matches the body #'s, That the State Police would go to the location of the car and inspect it and the state would issue a new vin tag (to be installed by them, also).
I'm looking through the appropriate channels now, and don't you worry, my lawyer (yes, I've had one since day one) already knows. Nothing goes up here without him knowing, and when something comes down (that I've posted) it's because of him.
Quote from: 426HemiCharger on January 18, 2009, 09:52:52 AM
No Better than HLPAG, huh?
Well I think you are right, sad to say. I bought my Charger R/T from them in mid September, and I was promised "AS IS" condition from when I saw it in June. This meant I would get the car plus the trunk full of parts that I saw. In the trunk was a G33 Mirror, S79 Steering Wheel, incorrect intake manifold (I was told was the correct one by Hans, himself), and the creme de la creme of parts a rare and pristine Cragar S/S wheel, the day on delivery came and the only thing in there was the "Correct" manifold. They lied about the other parts and told me the S/S wheel was "cracked" (sure... I'd believe that the day they sold me the car with a running engine and with the taillights I saw on the back on the car.) Yes the engine was seized, yes they also stole the taillights, they replaced them with two broken taillights, one 69 & one 70. :icon_smile_angry:
Holy crap :o .. I'm sorry man.. I think BK and HLPAG are exactly the same as far as how they treat/lie to customers. It sucks that there are people out there like HLPAG and BK...
Quote from: 426HemiCharger on January 18, 2009, 09:52:52 AM
No Better than HLPAG, huh?
Well I think you are right, sad to say. I bought my Charger R/T from them in mid September, and I was promised "AS IS" condition from when I saw it in June. This meant I would get the car plus the trunk full of parts that I saw. In the trunk was a G33 Mirror, S79 Steering Wheel, incorrect intake manifold (I was told was the correct one by Hans, himself), and the creme de la creme of parts a rare and pristine Cragar S/S wheel, the day on delivery came and the only thing in there was the "Correct" manifold. They lied about the other parts and told me the S/S wheel was "cracked" (sure... I'd believe that the day they sold me the car with a running engine and with the taillights I saw on the back on the car.) Yes the engine was seized, yes they also stole the taillights, they replaced them with two broken taillights, one 69 & one 70. :icon_smile_angry:
OMG....Another HLPAG customer. !!
Jeff , if you've got legal matters underway concerning you GL You may consider a hold on any further work being done on the Car.
I don't know how you sleep at night, Man your gut must be a mess! Your a good guy you certainly didn't deserve this.
Ron
Quote from: Big Sugar on January 18, 2009, 10:16:45 AM
Quote from: 426HemiCharger on January 18, 2009, 09:52:52 AM
No Better than HLPAG, huh?
Well I think you are right, sad to say. I bought my Charger R/T from them in mid September, and I was promised "AS IS" condition from when I saw it in June. This meant I would get the car plus the trunk full of parts that I saw. In the trunk was a G33 Mirror, S79 Steering Wheel, incorrect intake manifold (I was told was the correct one by Hans, himself), and the creme de la creme of parts a rare and pristine Cragar S/S wheel, the day on delivery came and the only thing in there was the "Correct" manifold. They lied about the other parts and told me the S/S wheel was "cracked" (sure... I'd believe that the day they sold me the car with a running engine and with the taillights I saw on the back on the car.) Yes the engine was seized, yes they also stole the taillights, they replaced them with two broken taillights, one 69 & one 70. :icon_smile_angry:
OMG....Another HLPAG customer. !!
Jeff , if you've got legal matters underway concerning you GL You may consider a hold on any further work being done on the Car.
I don't know how you sleep at night, Man your gut must be a mess! Your a good guy you certainly didn't deserve this.
Ron
I do have legal matters, but none that would warrant the car being taken from me. I'm going through the proper channels and BK will be too :cheers: :cheers:
I agree with Jeff, keep the work going. If his legal counsel thought he needed to stop, they would have advised him by now I'm sure. The fallout from bad legal advice could be damaging to the Firm if they screw up. Now, as soon as they find out about this new issue that popped up, that might slow production some, I don't know, but I believe Jeff has enough documentation and written/photographic proof that he'll have no problem keeping the car no matter what happens. The person getting in trouble will be the one who washed the numbers. Up here in the Northeast, I can almost guarantee, no State or County badge is going to check your vin or door jam unless they had a reason to look for a specific car that was reported stolen or whatever. Jeff is all set IMO and he can just get a new title that matches the vehicle numbers after local law enforcement inspects and checks a few things. I gather in the end, Jeff will come out on top and recoup every bit of his money and then some.
Heck, here in Maine, all I need is a bill of sale and I can register any car I want that's over 15 years old. If I wanted to be a crook about it, I could just pursue "Special Construction" as well, alter a few things, and I'm all set.
:Twocents:
on another note.... Jeff, I can't find my first Return to Hazzard DVD. Now I'm freaking out. When I find it I'll review it and post up any information that might be of use to you
Mike
Quote from: mikepmcs on January 18, 2009, 11:03:28 AM
I agree with Jeff, keep the work going. If his legal counsel thought he needed to stop, they would have advised him by now I'm sure. The fallout from bad legal advice could be damaging to the Firm if they screw up. Now, as soon as they find out about this new issue that popped up, that might slow production some, I don't know, but I believe Jeff has enough documentation and written/photographic proof that you'll have no problem keeping the car no matter what happens. The person getting in trouble will be the one who washed the numbers. Up here in the Northeast, I can almost guarantee, no State or County badge is going to check your vin or door jam unless they had a reason to look for a specific car that was reported stolen or whatever. Jeff is all set IMO and he can just get a new title that matches the vehicle numbers after local law enforcement inspects and checks a few things. I gather in the end, Jeff will come out on top and recoup every bit of his money and then some.
Heck, here in Maine, all I need is a bill of sale and I can register any car I want that's over 15 years old. If I wanted to be a crook about it, I could just pursue "Special Construction" as well, alter a few things, and I'm all set.
:Twocents:
Thanks Mike, very well said. :cheers:
The other day Chuck said something to BK (here) like "Just pay the shop bill and at least TRY to make yourself look like a real shop". At this point, it's the only thing that COULD help them in the least. If it was posted here that they decided to avoid legal action by paying the bill people all over the place would be talking. Sure, it took them getting slammed into a corner to make good, but the bottom line would be THEY DID. If they want to watch it go the other way, it just shows me they are reallllllllllllllllllly stupid people. I'm not looking to PROFIT $.01 from this. It's not my motive and hasn't been from day one. If I was , I'd have yanked them into court already and sued for my time and legal expenses and emotional distress caused by the rebuild of this car.
Quote from: mikepmcs on January 18, 2009, 11:07:26 AM
on another note.... Jeff, I can't find my first Return to Hazzard DVD. Now I'm freaking out. When I find it I'll review it and post up any information that might be of use to you
Mike
No problem, it's still a couple of weeks from paint. :cheers: :cheers:
Wonder how many other cars they have.... errr, uhhhh... completed :-\ have gone through the laundry cycle. For that matter, HLPAG had better start checking their books.
Quote from: mikepmcs on January 18, 2009, 11:18:43 AM
Wonder how many other cars they have.... errr, uhhhh... completed :-\ have gone through the laundry cycle. For that matter, HLPAG had better start checking their books.
Well, I have several on my list of people that have contacted me with similar gripes. In fact, more than one of them was told "You got what you paid for" and paid a crazy amount of $$. BK is no stranger to what they've done here, and this most certainly was not their first butch-job. Just the first one to get such attention.
You can change a V.I.N. on a rebuilt vehicle as long as you have a state inspection and all numbers on the vehicle and tag come back clear. Then the state will issue a new title. Did BK do that ? ::) I'm guessing that BK had an old title for that V.I.N. and did not have a title for Jeff's car so they made one. :Twocents: But who knows, I may be wrong. :smilielol: This is just plain crazy. :rotz: My hat goes off to BK's Attorney. :yesnod: I just hope that BK has been as honest with his Attorney as he has been with us. :smilielol: :rofl: :scratchchin: They say if you represent yourself that you have a fool for a client. :scratchchin: If we already know that the client is a fool, would it be safe to say that the client is representing himself ? :smilielol: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: You have exposed yourself for the eye's and ears of the puplic and allowed it to continue. Good luck ! ;)
The State of Michigan issued VIN tags I've seen look nothing like a regular VIN & were attached to the door jamb or A Post near door hinges. LEON.
Quote from: hemi-hampton on January 18, 2009, 01:48:56 PM
The State of Michigan issued VIN tags I've seen look nothing like a regular VIN & were attached to the door jamb or A Post near door hinges. LEON.
From what I hear, Mass may do the same thing (in the door jam). It may not be necessary though.
I would get the real rivets in the end just to make sure. You never know when you get pulled over and it becomes an issue. Then since it is a GL it gets more attention. I guess if they give you a state vin then it wouldn't matter as much :shruggy: :Twocents:
Quote from: The70RT on January 18, 2009, 06:07:50 PM
I would get the real rivets in the end just to make sure. You never know when you get pulled over and it becomes an issue. Then since it is a GL it gets more attention. I guess if they give you a state vin then it wouldn't matter as much :shruggy: :Twocents:
I've actually already been looking into that.. I want to make sure it LOOKS as good/real as it possibly can and common Home Depot rivets don't quite complete that look... I will more then likely end up with a state vin plate though. I want to be 100% legal. And after all, it's a GL, not a low mile original Hemi Charger, so it's ok with me :cheers:
I want this car done, painted and home in my garage.. I've had enough. I hope Thomas at BK has developed the world's biggest ulcer because of all of this..
...developed the world's biggest ulcer... [/quote] :smilielol: I'M ROTFL.
Ahhhh, a brand new week. Lets hope for some real good news. :yesnod: :2thumbs:
Quote from: skip68 on January 19, 2009, 11:01:21 AM
Ahhhh, a brand new week. Lets hope for some real good news. :yesnod: :2thumbs:
That would be nice for a change!!
:bump: Got to keep this fresh. ;)
Geez, I actually took a shower and paid some bills, looked outside, and the birds sang and the sun came out. Took awhile for my eyes to adjust to the sun, but eventually I could see again. Ok, enough of that breaktime crap, let's get on with it.
This is interesting..
I went out to a couple of other BK car owners that I've been in touch with.. It appears this isn't the first time a VIN hasn't matched the #'s on the body. Tisk tisk tisk...
Not only can this shop not build a car right but they can't even build the RIGHT CAR!! :shruggy: :shruggy:
Quote from: The70RT on January 18, 2009, 06:07:50 PM
I would get the real rivets in the end just to make sure. You never know when you get pulled over and it becomes an issue. Then since it is a GL it gets more attention. I guess if they give you a state vin then it wouldn't matter as much :shruggy: :Twocents:
Lemme ask you a question -- You saw the picture. Is the VIN Tag the right color?? What should it be?
Quote from: jb666 on January 20, 2009, 12:47:45 PM
Quote from: The70RT on January 18, 2009, 06:07:50 PM
I would get the real rivets in the end just to make sure. You never know when you get pulled over and it becomes an issue. Then since it is a GL it gets more attention. I guess if they give you a state vin then it wouldn't matter as much :shruggy: :Twocents:
Lemme ask you a question -- You saw the picture. Is the VIN Tag the right color?? What should it be?
I think they should be like a satin black color.
this is the vin tag on my birdible
Quote from: moparstuart on January 20, 2009, 03:06:24 PM
this is the vin tag on my birdible
Very cool!!
I can honestly say mine looks NOTHING like that!! Maybe BK Bondo'd it??
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/VIN.jpg)
It's obviously coming off to be cleaned up. Can you guys tell me where to get "OEM" rivets? How about the exact color it should be?? Is there a logo somewhere under the paint??
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,34471.0.html
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,47072.0.html
Quote from: moparstuart on January 20, 2009, 07:43:46 PM
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,34471.0.html
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,47072.0.html
Great thread, thank you! But $30 for two rivets??!?!?! (http://domesticmisfits.net/forums/images/smilies/crazy.gif)
I'm sitting here laughing, looking at the CORRECT color of the VIN tag then looking at mine :lol:
$30 Is cheap, I think the last ones I bought were $45.00 :scratchchin: LEON.
Quote from: hemi-hampton on January 20, 2009, 07:59:01 PM
$30 Is cheap, I think the last ones I bought were $45.00 :scratchchin: LEON.
WOW. Now I see why BK used the rivets they just finished putting their GUTTER on the side of the shop up with.
:brickwall:
Check Moparts right now. $25
Troy
Quote from: Troy on January 21, 2009, 03:34:14 PM
Check Moparts right now. $25
Troy
I'll go check them out, thanks!!
Good news -- The car is officially alive!!!!!!!!!! It ran for the first time in 2 months today!! All wiring/issues have been cleared up and tomorrow it'll be run to full operating temps so the leak-down test can be done.. Keep your fingers crossed!!!!!!!!
I need some assistance from you guys --- Have you ever dealt with a Hydroboost brake system?? I'm tired of valve cover/brake booster clearance issues and wanted to swap over. Any recommendations for kits??
Quote from: jb666 on January 21, 2009, 05:50:48 PM
Quote from: Troy on January 21, 2009, 03:34:14 PM
Check Moparts right now. $25
Troy
I'll go check them out, thanks!!
Good news -- The car is officially alive!!!!!!!!!! It ran for the first time in 2 months today!! All wiring/issues have been cleared up and tomorrow it'll be run to full operating temps so the leak-down test can be done.. Keep your fingers crossed!!!!!!!!
I need some assistance from you guys --- Have you ever dealt with a Hydroboost brake system?? I'm tired of valve cover/brake booster clearance issues and wanted to swap over. Any recommendations for kits??
Just use a non-power master cylinder.
My car has discs and manual brakes and it stops great!
I switched my system to a manual master cylinder. No clearance issues, no vacuum issues, and with the 4-wheel disc I have plenty of braking power. My Hemi Challenger has a power brake 4-wheel disc set up and I've had nothing but trouble from it, and it does not stop any better.
Quote from: jb666 on January 21, 2009, 05:50:48 PM
Quote from: Troy on January 21, 2009, 03:34:14 PM
Check Moparts right now. $25
Troy
I'll go check them out, thanks!!
Good news -- The car is officially alive!!!!!!!!!! It ran for the first time in 2 months today!! All wiring/issues have been cleared up and tomorrow it'll be run to full operating temps so the leak-down test can be done.. Keep your fingers crossed!!!!!!!!
I need some assistance from you guys --- Have you ever dealt with a Hydroboost brake system?? I'm tired of valve cover/brake booster clearance issues and wanted to swap over. Any recommendations for kits??
So the HEMI checked out ok with the engine builder? No problems?
I have a hydroboost system. Arguably, you only need that unless you have some serious power disc brakes, big calipers lots of pistons on all 4 corners, etc. It certainly saves space, but it ain't cheap!
Mine is switched to manual discs. :2thumbs:
Quote from: joflaig on January 21, 2009, 06:35:08 PM
Quote from: jb666 on January 21, 2009, 05:50:48 PM
Quote from: Troy on January 21, 2009, 03:34:14 PM
Check Moparts right now. $25
Troy
I'll go check them out, thanks!!
Good news -- The car is officially alive!!!!!!!!!! It ran for the first time in 2 months today!! All wiring/issues have been cleared up and tomorrow it'll be run to full operating temps so the leak-down test can be done.. Keep your fingers crossed!!!!!!!!
I need some assistance from you guys --- Have you ever dealt with a Hydroboost brake system?? I'm tired of valve cover/brake booster clearance issues and wanted to swap over. Any recommendations for kits??
So the HEMI checked out ok with the engine builder? No problems?
I have a hydroboost system. Arguably, you only need that unless you have some serious power disc brakes, big calipers lots of pistons on all 4 corners, etc. It certainly saves space, but it ain't cheap!
Not 100%, no. He's doing the leak-down tomorrow and will check for problems.
Thanks for the advice guys -- I talked to Jon tonight and he has a brand new Strange master cylinder for me in his shop -- I'm switching to manual!! :cheers: :cheers:
Jeff, I definitely would like to see pics of that install please, if it's feasible of course.
Mike
Quote from: mikepmcs on January 21, 2009, 08:55:39 PM
Jeff, I definitely would like to see pics of that install please, if it's feasible of course.
Mike
Count on it Mike.. You should know that I don't do anything without my camera in my hand :icon_smile_big:
I was siked when Jon said he had a Strange MC in the shop.. I am going to be SO glad to get rid the vacuum problems and get reliable brakes!!
My buddy Chris runs manual brakes in his Camaro (race car) and power brakes in his 70 T/A and he said his 'Maro stops better!! Best part is, he started life as a Charger guy!!
I guess you could say my car is getting more Strange by the day... (ok, bad joke...) :leaving:
Good reliable breaks would have helped keep my car out of the ditch last year. Went sideways in the gravel, stomped the brake pedal and it was like I was trying to push a brick wall. I need to up this on my priority list. Thanks for the reminder.
Quote from: mikepmcs on January 21, 2009, 09:03:40 PM
Good reliable breaks would have helped keep my car out of the ditch last year. Went sideways in the gravel, stomped the brake pedal and it was like I was trying to push a brick wall. I need to up this on my priority list. Thanks for the reminder.
Cool!! Hopefully this thread didn't remind you to go out and buy some Bondo, too!!
:icon_smile_cool:.............. well, now that you mention it...........................
:nana: OK, Jeff is right my Z stops way betteer than my T/A But I started out with Firebirds and needed a winter car here in New England, so I found a 66 Charger with a 70 roadrunner 383. it was a cool car. Cragars with L60's on the back, headers, 3.55 posi... all the good stuff you look for in a winter beater?
Soory this was when it hat ET's on the front and cragar slots on the back, Can't leave anything alone!
Sweet 3rd gen. Welcome aboard. :wave:
Funny thing is, I was about to look at a 76' Camaro as a winter beater for up here in the NE area a couple weeks ago.
I am still and F body guy, but I loved that Charger. that 383 ran so nice!!!!
Chris and I go way back.. I've bought a couple (few?) cars off him.. He's a VERY talented body man and has had some cars that I've :drool5: over.. Anyways, he's helped me out with a lot of the stuff on the General (including sending me to Jon's shop!!). There aren't too many people I trust to touch my stuff and he's definitely one of them. :2thumbs: :2thumbs: He was originally going to tear the General down and do the work for me but it was wayyyyyyyyyyyyyy too much to get into!!
here is a pic of my TA
Crap I am such a newbie at sending things on here. Here is my Z 11'76@115 so far
My best friend from childhood has a '73 T/A, was his high school car and he still owns it. That car flat got with the program. He drove it like a priest and couldn't figure out why the rear tires wouldn't keep the tread. Of course when he let me take it out, I babied it. :whistling:
I was a Chebby man too until I discovered torque.
Quote from: mikepmcs on January 21, 2009, 09:09:29 PM
Sweet 3rd gen. Welcome aboard. :wave:
Funny thing is, I was about to look at a 76' Camaro as a winter beater for up here in the NE area a couple weeks ago.
Mike, that's a 66 (1st Gen) not a 3rd.
Quote from: Charger74 on January 22, 2009, 09:38:49 AM
Quote from: mikepmcs on January 21, 2009, 09:09:29 PM
Sweet 3rd gen. Welcome aboard. :wave:
Funny thing is, I was about to look at a 76' Camaro as a winter beater for up here in the NE area a couple weeks ago.
Mike, that's a 66 (1st Gen) not a 3rd.
Wholly crap that's what I meant, I have no idea why I put 3rd gen. My bad. Good catch on my brain typo. :2thumbs:
Guys, we're getting off track here again for jb666 and the mods.
Quote from: mikepmcs on January 22, 2009, 11:10:45 AM
Quote from: Charger74 on January 22, 2009, 09:38:49 AM
Quote from: mikepmcs on January 21, 2009, 09:09:29 PM
Sweet 3rd gen. Welcome aboard. :wave:
Funny thing is, I was about to look at a 76' Camaro as a winter beater for up here in the NE area a couple weeks ago.
Mike, that's a 66 (1st Gen) not a 3rd.
Wholly crap that's what I meant, I have no idea why I put 3rd gen. My bad. Good catch on my brain typo. :2thumbs:
Sorry for the slight detour. Just wanted to make sure we got things labeled right. :2thumbs:
Well, it looks like some new photo/exposure shots might be here tonight/tomorrow. Jon called today and said he has the nose off the car and I won't believe the hack job on the inner fenders.. "just wait till you see it" is what he said.. So I can only imagine.
BTW, the manual brake conversion is done, thanks for the advice guys!! I'll get pics of that too!!
:cheers: :cheers:
Quote from: jb666 on January 22, 2009, 05:52:29 PM
Well, it looks like some new photo/exposure shots might be here tonight/tomorrow. Jon called today and said he has the nose off the car and I won't believe the hack job on the inner fenders.. "just wait till you see it" is what he said.. So I can only imagine.
BTW, the manual brake conversion is done, thanks for the advice guys!! I'll get pics of that too!!
:cheers: :cheers:
So, your saying more bad news? :shruggy:
I hope it's not like the rear of the car.
Quote from: MoparManJim on January 22, 2009, 06:43:27 PM
Quote from: jb666 on January 22, 2009, 05:52:29 PM
Well, it looks like some new photo/exposure shots might be here tonight/tomorrow. Jon called today and said he has the nose off the car and I won't believe the hack job on the inner fenders.. "just wait till you see it" is what he said.. So I can only imagine.
BTW, the manual brake conversion is done, thanks for the advice guys!! I'll get pics of that too!!
:cheers: :cheers:
So, your saying more bad news? :shruggy:
I hope it's not like the rear of the car.
Yep! More bad news... More bad pictures...
Quote from: jb666 on January 22, 2009, 06:46:48 PM
Quote from: MoparManJim on January 22, 2009, 06:43:27 PM
Quote from: jb666 on January 22, 2009, 05:52:29 PM
Well, it looks like some new photo/exposure shots might be here tonight/tomorrow. Jon called today and said he has the nose off the car and I won't believe the hack job on the inner fenders.. "just wait till you see it" is what he said.. So I can only imagine.
BTW, the manual brake conversion is done, thanks for the advice guys!! I'll get pics of that too!!
:cheers: :cheers:
So, your saying more bad news? :shruggy:
I hope it's not like the rear of the car.
Yep! More bad news... More bad pictures...
:D The way you state it, I feel like we should all be cheering. :rofl:
I think I can relate to a certain level. While my mess wasn't as bad and I caught it before paint and re-assembly, I think I got to the point where you are now: no sense crying about it... to the point where you just laugh instead.
Quote from: jb666 on January 22, 2009, 06:46:48 PM
Quote from: MoparManJim on January 22, 2009, 06:43:27 PM
Quote from: jb666 on January 22, 2009, 05:52:29 PM
Well, it looks like some new photo/exposure shots might be here tonight/tomorrow. Jon called today and said he has the nose off the car and I won't believe the hack job on the inner fenders.. "just wait till you see it" is what he said.. So I can only imagine.
BTW, the manual brake conversion is done, thanks for the advice guys!! I'll get pics of that too!!
:cheers: :cheers:
So, your saying more bad news? :shruggy:
I hope it's not like the rear of the car.
Yep! More bad news... More bad pictures...
Quote from: jb666 on January 22, 2009, 06:46:48 PM
Quote from: MoparManJim on January 22, 2009, 06:43:27 PM
Quote from: jb666 on January 22, 2009, 05:52:29 PM
Well, it looks like some new photo/exposure shots might be here tonight/tomorrow. Jon called today and said he has the nose off the car and I won't believe the hack job on the inner fenders.. "just wait till you see it" is what he said.. So I can only imagine.
BTW, the manual brake conversion is done, thanks for the advice guys!! I'll get pics of that too!!
:cheers: :cheers:
So, your saying more bad news? :shruggy:
.
I hope it's not like the rear of the car.
Yep! More bad news... More bad pictures...
Why not tear it down completely from the beginning, that way you could have made a decision if it was worth restoring. Instead of fixing one problem and uncovering another mess after another. :Twocents: With that been said i applaud you efforts
Just keep in mind Jeff that if all goes well, this is what BK will be getting. :icon_smile_big: :2thumbs: More bad news, one after another. :yesnod: I can't wait for pics, but I allready know what it will look like. :yesnod: SWISS CHEESE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :rotz: :scratchchin: Are you keeping the front bucket seats or upgrading to newer ones ? :shruggy: Hang in there brother. ;) Chuck............
Quote from: Back N Black on January 22, 2009, 07:53:24 PM
Quote from: jb666 on January 22, 2009, 06:46:48 PM
Quote from: MoparManJim on January 22, 2009, 06:43:27 PM
Quote from: jb666 on January 22, 2009, 05:52:29 PM
Well, it looks like some new photo/exposure shots might be here tonight/tomorrow. Jon called today and said he has the nose off the car and I won't believe the hack job on the inner fenders.. "just wait till you see it" is what he said.. So I can only imagine.
BTW, the manual brake conversion is done, thanks for the advice guys!! I'll get pics of that too!!
:cheers: :cheers:
So, your saying more bad news? :shruggy:
.
I hope it's not like the rear of the car.
Yep! More bad news... More bad pictures...
Why not tear it down completely from the beginning, that way you could have made a decision if it was worth restoring. Instead of fixing one problem and uncovering another mess after another. :Twocents: With that been said i applaud you efforts
Well, I didn't set out to get into anything like this.. I brought the car to Jon's shop for a simple roll bar.. Then the rear frame rails (which I thought was all it needed).. Then, when he was under/in there it all started to unfold..
Even if it had all been torn down at once from the beginning it'd still need everything I've posted.. So what the Hell.. :shruggy:
Quote from: skip68 on January 22, 2009, 08:48:31 PM
Just keep in mind Jeff that if all goes well, this is what BK will be getting. :icon_smile_big: :2thumbs: More bad news, one after another. :yesnod: I can't wait for pics, but I allready know what it will look like. :yesnod: SWISS CHEESE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :rotz: :scratchchin: Are you keeping the front bucket seats or upgrading to newer ones ? :shruggy: Hang in there brother. ;) Chuck............
Yeah Chuck, that's for sure..
As for the pics, I'll post'em tomorrow night. The whole nose is off the car.. More surprises and more proof that a nose can be held on with a wing and a prayer(and some zip ties). I think BK was smoking the chief when they put this nose together.. There's no wonder this thing was a rattle box :eek2:
Jon has done an AMAZING job on the wiring, the new brakes (that Strange master sure is cool/compact!! It opened up a TON of room over there..) and the heater installation.. The box is cleaned up, installed and the heater hoses have been run. All that's left is the new controls/resistor and I'll have HEAT!!!
:cheers: :cheers:
Quote from: dodgecharger-fan on January 22, 2009, 07:02:22 PM
Quote from: jb666 on January 22, 2009, 06:46:48 PM
Quote from: MoparManJim on January 22, 2009, 06:43:27 PM
Quote from: jb666 on January 22, 2009, 05:52:29 PM
Well, it looks like some new photo/exposure shots might be here tonight/tomorrow. Jon called today and said he has the nose off the car and I won't believe the hack job on the inner fenders.. "just wait till you see it" is what he said.. So I can only imagine.
BTW, the manual brake conversion is done, thanks for the advice guys!! I'll get pics of that too!!
:cheers: :cheers:
So, your saying more bad news? :shruggy:
I hope it's not like the rear of the car.
Yep! More bad news... More bad pictures...
:D The way you state it, I feel like we should all be cheering. :rofl:
I think I can relate to a certain level. While my mess wasn't as bad and I caught it before paint and re-assembly, I think I got to the point where you are now: no sense crying about it... to the point where you just laugh instead.
That's just it.. I can't get angry or cry about this any more.. Now when Jon says "You won't believe this", my answer is OH YES I WILL, and I laugh.. If I don't I'll go crazy and end up like Chuck!!
This car is crazy. This is just an amazing story that will make its way to every corner of the world by the next 6 months mark my words. :yesnod: :yesnod: What I really love is the amount of more famous/bigger car people that are reading this. :smilielol: You wanted to make a name BK and now you're going to get one. :smilielol: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: What do you mean by CRAZY Jeff ? :shruggy: Who's crazy ? ? ? Stop looking at me. I know your looking at me. I'm telling... I like chocolate....... :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :smilielol: :rotz: Gotta love those guys from back east. :coocoo:
Yeah you know it Chuck!! :slap:
Anyways, here's a sneak peak at the Strange master cylinder. Like I said it opened up some serious space...
Here's the before.. Tight, couldn't yank the valve cover or the back plug without yanking the booster:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_5667Large-2.jpg)
Now, anything's possible!! Ignore the lines, it's not 100% hooked in yet..
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6035Medium.jpg)
Ok -- On top of what's about to fall on BK, I gave Brian the chance to be a man and stand up tonight. He got good $$ for this car and I didn't screw around when paying him.. Anyone with a conscience should realize that (LONG BEFORE NOW) he should have stepped up and made an offer to help out a little bit. I can't believe that he's:
A. Never POSTED in this thread even though I KNOW for a fact he's been reading it.
B. Never emailed me with any signs of remorse.
So it makes me wonder if what you guys have been saying all along. Is he involved? Is he a BK Salesrep on the side?? Who knows, but time will certainly tell.
I'm not playing around any more.. I have all of my ducks in a row and can do some serious (legal) damage here...
:2thumbs:
:cheers: Glad to see that modified. :cheers: :yesnod:
Quote from: skip68 on January 22, 2009, 10:55:34 PM
:cheers: Glad to see that modified. :cheers: :yesnod:
Me too!! Pretty soon you'll be seeing body shot pictures, but there's a little ways to go.. I'll post the (hack job) inner fender shots tonight.
Jeff,
Finally found that dvd i was looking for. Turns out it wasn't the "Return To Georgia" dvd. This one is titled Lee 1; Everything Else Is A Replica. I'll review it tonight at some point and let you know if it has any pertinent information regarding the markings.
Mike
Well, I got GOOD news today. The motor checked out with ZERO problems (internally). Great compression, leak down passed with flying colors..
BUT, the oil pan's leaking pretty good :brickwall: and the rear diff bolts were all finger tight :brickwall:
I've got quite the group going to the shop tomorrow.. Should be interesting!!! :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
thats good stuff the motors ok :yesnod: :dance: ......
What time we meeting up? My buddy's kids showed no interest so I'm on my own and time is not a factor for me.
You need anything from up here that I can bring on the way down?
Mike
Quote from: mikepmcs on January 23, 2009, 07:49:57 PM
What time we meeting up? My buddy's kids showed no interest so I'm on my own and time is not a factor for me.
You need anything from up here that I can bring on the way down?
Mike
Mike -- The other guy from Maine is going to be at the shop around 1PM, so when ever you want to meet is fine with me. Do you have any need for a new Demon 850? Jon installed a nicely built/tuned Holley on the car today (that he's had experience with) and now my Demon's for sale :icon_smile_big: , I figured while you were already coming....... :icon_smile_big: What can you bring down? Want to stop at the Kittery Trading Post and pick up a new .45 for me? Then stop by Poland Springs and load up on some fresh spring water? No, seriously, I'm all set, it'll be nice meeting you and you'll get to see the work I've been ranting and raving about here for the past two months...
Quote from: tan top on January 23, 2009, 07:49:00 PM
thats good stuff the motors ok :yesnod: :dance: ......
You aren't kidding!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I WAS SO RELIEVED to get that phone call tonight.. He said he was surprised nothing leaked (internally) and it actually did BETTER than he expected. FINALLY some good news, and why is this? BK DID NOT TOUCH THE MOTOR, they just put it in.. But, I do know that they had to put the oil pan/gasket in so that's why that's leaking :brickwall:
I wish I could be there too. :'( I guess I will be there in spirit. :cheers: Tell Jon that I said high and that I love the work he has done. ;) :2thumbs: Chuck...................
Quote from: jb666 on January 23, 2009, 07:59:19 PM
Quote from: mikepmcs on January 23, 2009, 07:49:57 PM
What time we meeting up? My buddy's kids showed no interest so I'm on my own and time is not a factor for me.
You need anything from up here that I can bring on the way down?
Mike
Mike -- The other guy from Maine is going to be at the shop around 1PM, so when ever you want to meet is fine with me. Do you have any need for a new Demon 850? Jon installed a nicely built/tuned Holley on the car today (that he's had experience with) and now my Demon's for sale :icon_smile_big: , I figured while you were already coming....... :icon_smile_big: What can you bring down? Want to stop at the Kittery Trading Post and pick up a new .45 for me? Then stop by Poland Springs and load up on some fresh spring water? No, seriously, I'm all set, it'll be nice meeting you and you'll get to see the work I've been ranting and raving about here for the past two months...
Quote from: tan top on January 23, 2009, 07:49:00 PM
thats good stuff the motors ok :yesnod: :dance: ......
You aren't kidding!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I WAS SO RELIEVED to get that phone call tonight.. He said he was surprised nothing leaked (internally) and it actually did BETTER than he expected. FINALLY some good news, and why is this? BK DID NOT TOUCH THE MOTOR, they just put it in.. But, I do know that they had to put the oil pan/gasket in so that's why that's leaking :brickwall:
yeah i was just going to say that , luckily bk did not have to touch the motor thats why its ok :yesnod: :yesnod: diff bolts are not tight ,& oil pan leaking ... well thats the parts BK worked on :yesnod:
...
I think they should have STARTED on little models first, or maybe they did and just figured glue and paint is all you would need for the big ones too :smilielol:
No thank you on the BG carb, but I'll take some lessons on that Holley ;D :yesnod: I got rid of the eddy and have a 750 hp on mine.
See you tomorrow....
Mike
Quote from: MoparManJim on January 23, 2009, 08:17:59 PM
Man, I wouldn't even consider taking my car to BK at all. I don't think they know really how to work on a vehicle :eek2:. They probly do better work on tiny model vehicles bettery as at least those things doesn't run but just rather set still to look at all the time.
What's funny is they claim their "specialty" is building $150k cars and building cars for Corvettes & Classics of Houston and the multiple cars per year he builds for the Volo Auto Museum (yes, this is really what he said). I'll bet these people would LOVE to see this thread and how their good name could get trashed.
Maybe they will get a tip. :shruggy: I read there claim to fame for being associated with those companies. :shruggy: I'll have to ask them if they know bk is using them as a reference to the work they do. :rofl: It's funny how a company will try to put distance between thier good name and BK when I start talking and asking questions. :smilielol: :rofl: This has happened twice, and I'm keeping the names to myself as I will honer the privacy of those I spoke to. ;) :yesnod: I wonder if that will happen again. :smilielol: :naughty: :naughty: :naughty:
Quote from: jb666 on January 23, 2009, 10:33:17 PM
Quote from: MoparManJim on January 23, 2009, 08:17:59 PM
Man, I wouldn't even consider taking my car to BK at all. I don't think they know really how to work on a vehicle :eek2:. They probly do better work on tiny model vehicles bettery as at least those things doesn't run but just rather set still to look at all the time.
What's funny is they claim their "specialty" is building $150k cars and building cars for Corvettes & Classics of Houston and the multiple cars per year he builds for the Volo Auto Museum (yes, this is really what he said). I'll bet these people would LOVE to see this thread and how their good name could get trashed.
Maybe the k was a typo, and it was just supposed to be $150 cars... :icon_smile_big:
You know what I would love to find? :naughty: :icon_smile_big: I would love to find Jeff's car on the showroom floor of one of those companies. :smilielol: Think about it, :scratchchin: Jeff has a V.I.N. tag that matches the body numbers of car somewhere. :icon_smile_big: :scratchchin: Now, if the tags were not switched legally, Jeff should make a demand for the rest of his car. :smilielol: :scratchchin: I'd be willing to bet that those classic car guys check all numbers and have them written down in the inventory records. :yesnod: ;) :naughty: :naughty: :naughty: :naughty:
Ok well I'm heading to the shop to meet Mikepmcs and Roy.. Just wait until they see what's sitting in Jon's shop today - They are in for a HUGE surprise.. Pictures later.
:cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
:popcrn: :popcrn: :popcrn:
:iagree:
You guys have been there for at least an hour now. We demand pics ASAP!!! :smash: :smash: :smash:
They are now at the bar wetting their vocal chords. This is necessary from all the "SHOCKED" "OMG" "SON OF A _____ " squeals that have been coming from the shop all day while looking at yet another insane thing that needs to be corrected on the car.
Ok -- Just got back. What a get-together it was!! I met a couple of really nice forum members today...
Mikepmcs is a GREAT guy! Talk about someone who knows his stuff, especially where the General Lee is concerned.. It was a true pleasure hanging out today!!
I'm glad everyone got to see the General "in real life" today. It was funny hearing the comments about the before/after work. Each person there today (12 people total were checking the car out) couldn't believe the quality of the work that's going into this car now and what a JOKE it was before..
Anyways, the cool car of the day in Jon's shop today was a Ford FR500 Cobra Jet. Obviously this is a race-only car out of the box, but what an amazing pc of machinery. Without getting too off topic, I'll just put up a couple of shots of this 10 second beast.. It's at Jon's getting a full cage.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6065Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6064Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6068Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6069Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6066Medium.jpg)
So my hood and fenders were picked up by a nice group of folks who drove 4+ hours from Maine to pick them up.. They'll be put to good use!!
Mike ended up being a part of the General's history.. He was checking out the starter that's wrapped in heat shield. Well, he reached up and moved the shield aside and was greeted with sparks.. So needless to say that'll come apart now (it's a LOT of fun trying to get at the starter on this car, it's totally wrapped inside the headers). But I do believe this was a huge headache prevented!! He brought me some really cool General Lee gifts and was in awe over the work being done on the car..
I'm really glad this forum is here -- What an amazing group of people :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
Oh yeah.. My inner fenders. Held in place with less then 1/5 of the mounting hardware. Zip ties or NO BOLTS were it...
Is this what you'd expect to see on a $70k build? Overspray? Partially painted areas?
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6042Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6046Medium.jpg)
Time to clean up...
Another discovery is that my "$900 rebuilt gauges" area joke. The speedo is nothing more then a white face over a factory gauge. NOTHING was rebuilt and the speedo is trash(Does anyone here have one??). It's been tested out of the car and it does NOT work. In fact, none of them did... Based on this email I'll be making a call on Monday to see if THIS is yet another BS story provided by BK.
----- Original Message -----
From: BK Automotive LLC
----- Original Message -----
From: BK Automotive LLC
To: JB666
Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 1:37 PM
Subject: Re: Re: Re:
It will bounce aruond some. Otherwise, those were sent out and done by Auto Instruments. I have used them several times before and since and havent had a problem yet, but I know others who have. I still think they are a good company to use though.
BK Automotive LLC
www.bkauto.net
713.996.9655
Let's see what Auto Instruments has to say about this claim, and how they feel about their name being used with gauges that don't work.
In going through some old emails, I came across this one. I went out to BK back in September of 08 when I first started finding problems with the car. His response will make you all laugh...
----- Original Message -----
From: BK Automotive LLC
To: JB666
Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 10:12 AM
Subject: Re: GL #119
Its a fine line because a customer expects a quality product and anyone worth his salt wants to provide one. Anyone can look at what we do and see we handle quality and there is no 'if' we can build it or do it. But in some cases, people don't understand what actual value is, they expect things because of what someone else has or what they see on TV, or they compare apples to bananas and the water gets murky.
Its just not possible to hand someone $50k and expect them to build you an $80k car. Just doesnt happen. Long and short of it, you get what you pay for, and I have no apologies to make because if he can't pay to do it right, its not my responsability to go into my pocket and build a car for him. these are toys, not food and shelter. Its his car, maybe he should have been able to spend more or should have fallen in love with a cheaper car.
We don't have any restorations that are under $60k. they are all almost always $80-$150k. In some cases, we have cars pushing past $200k. Has nothing to do with me, has everything to do with the car and the customer. One quality shop will do the same work as another quality shop and the price will be roughly the same. If a guy can't afford to use dynamat, then he doesnt get it. If he can't afford proper undercoating, he doesnt get it. The budget cars are usually great, and alot of fun, but in a case like this, it was turned into something else.
On a fixed budget, if someone has me spend 90% of the funds working on a quarter panel.... then whats left to build the rest of the car? All I can say, is from a builders standpoint, you cant win them all. In 10 years, I have had I think 3 people unhappy with me, and in one way or another for roughly the same reason, wanted more than thier money would buy. I guess I just have to add him to that catagory, learn more about what to look for to avoid those customers and move on.
with the upgrades you made, and alittle more driving and checking the car out, it should be a great car for many years down the road. You ended up in the best position however, as it is ALWAYS cheaper to buy a car than to build a car.
BK Automotive LLC
www.bkauto.net
713.996.9655
:smilielol: Yeah, it was definitely cheaper for me to BUY the car then to build it :brickwall:
And believe me, I have proof of more then THREE PEOPLE being unhappy in 10 years.. What a joke!!
can't recall you saying if you was going to go through all the front end bushings etc ... but looks as if the passanger side lower bump stop is missing :yesnod: :popcrn:
Quote from: tan top on January 24, 2009, 04:59:54 PM
can't recall you saying if you was going to go through all the front end bushings etc ... but looks as if the passanger side lower bump stop is missing :yesnod: :popcrn:
Interesting, but the front end was checked out by another shop.. Minus the ball joints & tie rods everything else was deemed ok. I'll have Jon take a look at it before it leaves his shop. I'd love to pull the front sway bar and paint it.. The thing looks ridiculous..
When Mike was there today, he says "THIS is the $600 Hemi K-frame?!?!".
Per BK's website:
The $600.00 HEMI K-frame is installed, and the custom subframe connectors are bolted, then welded into place. Now let's jump a train...(http://www.bkauto.net/media/images/GLg35.gif)
You'll laugh when you see mine.. It might have started as this, but as Mike can testify to, mine's all cut/hacked up and was repainted (while still hot). It's a mess.
And this is another thing I'll have to verify on Monday:
To keep the front wheels planted and steady, our friends at Firm Feel have fabricated us a set of heavy duty reinforced lower control arms.(http://www.bkauto.net/media/images/GLg32.gif)
If this is so heavy duty and IS the unit in my car, why's it bent??
And last, if Brian was so "CHEAP" when building this car, why not use a set of stock hood hinges?? Instead, BK contradicts themselves by saying:
The powder coated hinges arrived. If your going to go, go in style.(http://www.bkauto.net/media/images/GLg26.gif)
Amazingly enough, THOSE ARE ON THE CAR!! :o
I had a white face gauge restoration done by auto instruments. I did have issues with it. I had to take the cluster out of the car and send it back because the water temperature gauge was off by 130 degrees. They re-calibrated it and it worked fine then, but after about 500 miles the speedometer started bouncing between 5-20 mph, and my tick tock tac eventually started bouncing wildly after I passed 3,000 rpm. They make good on it, but it's a pain to keep pulling a cluster out of a car over and over.
Quote from: Go Hogs Go on January 24, 2009, 05:03:22 PM
I had a white face gauge restoration done by auto instruments. I did have issues with it. I had to take the cluster out of the car and send it back because the water temperature gauge was off by 130 degrees. They re-calibrated it and it worked fine then, but after about 500 miles the speedometer started bouncing between 5-20 mph, and my tick tock tac eventually started bouncing wildly after I passed 3,000 rpm. They make good on it, but it's a pain to keep pulling a cluster out of a car over and over.
That's what my speedo is doing. At 5 MPH it jumps from 5-60MPH like crazy... My water gauge was WAY off (before switching to Autometer). When I first ran the car the gauge read 260.. I shut it down in a panic.
Quote from: jb666 on January 24, 2009, 05:01:51 PM
Quote from: tan top on January 24, 2009, 04:59:54 PM
can't recall you saying if you was going to go through all the front end bushings etc ... but looks as if the passanger side lower bump stop is missing :yesnod: :popcrn:
Interesting, but the front end was checked out by another shop.. Minus the ball joints & tie rods everything else was deemed ok. I'll have Jon take a look at it before it leaves his shop. I'd love to pull the front sway bar and paint it.. The thing looks ridiculous..
When Mike was there today, he says "THIS is the $600 Hemi K-frame?!?!".
Per BK's website:
The $600.00 HEMI K-frame is installed, and the custom subframe connectors are bolted, then welded into place. Now let's jump a train...
(http://www.bkauto.net/media/images/GLg35.gif)
You'll laugh when you see mine.. It might have started as this, but as Mike can testify to, mine's all cut/hacked up and was repainted (while still hot). It's a mess.
And this is another thing I'll have to verify on Monday:
To keep the front wheels planted and steady, our friends at Firm Feel have fabricated us a set of heavy duty reinforced lower control arms.
(http://www.bkauto.net/media/images/GLg32.gif)
If this is so heavy duty and IS the unit in my car, why's it bent??
And last, if Brian was so "CHEAP" when building this car, why not use a set of stock hood hinges?? Instead, BK contradicts themselves by saying:
The powder coated hinges arrived. If your going to go, go in style.
(http://www.bkauto.net/media/images/GLg26.gif)
Amazingly enough, THOSE ARE ON THE CAR!! :o
:2thumbs: see green arrow
Thanks!!! :cheers:
I'm gathering some info tonight and am laughing at some of the things I'm reading (now that this thread/car has gone this far). Check this out if you want a good laugh...
----- Original Message -----
From: BK Automotive LLC
To: JB666
Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 8:19 PM
Subject: Re: re:
Oh, and to answer your question:
If I paid what you paid, and found what you found, I would not be happy either. I think 90% of whats rolling down the street is trash on top of that. Thats why I build my own personal cars and would never trust buying one from someone else. I can agree with you there, however a 3rd party makes bad choices building something and it turns into a pile, doesnt mean its my fault or yours. I did what I was paid for. If I need to do something that didnt get done or done right, I redo it. Sounds like you got more work than you planned. If I remember I mentioned that he should have had the car built right from the start, and you need to lok at the body over anything. It would be fine as a seldom used, cheap general for local shows... but its just not the thing you want to turn into the car its morphed into.
Here is a quick fact: 99% of all general lees out there are $35k or less total investment. Most of them are in the low 20s. if we said every single one had to be built to the standards of the car you really need, no one could afford it. And consider this, as bad as that car looked, we actually put more time and money and make much less profit per car on those than anyone else. I don't spit out crap cars for quick cash. I make around 10% profit on all base model replicas. Thats not much considering.
you think I dd something intentionally wrong, and thats not the case. You say I didnt want to help, and thats not the case. I am just not sure what you are after.
BK Automotive LLC
www.bkauto.net
713.996.9655
This is awesome.. 99% of the GL's out there have ONE HALF THE COST this car has into it, yet none were rolling heaps like this one. My standards??????? God help me for wanting a SAFE CLEAN CAR, what was I thinking?!?!?! :brickwall:
It would be find for a seldom used cheap General for local car shows....... Yeah, if I trailered it there AFTER HOURS and the only people left were blind and knew nothing about cars. Please, who says something like that about a car THEY BUILT?!?
The new BK extra value menu . 50k and you get a car completely made of bondo :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: sorry I just could not resist :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol:
Quote from: moparstuart on January 24, 2009, 06:40:27 PM
The new BK extra value menu . 50k and you get a car completely made of bondo :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: sorry I just could not resist :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol:
Man that is a RIOT!!!!!!! But , where'd you get a chunk of my car? :lol:
I made a quick detour to Kansas on my way home. It must have fallen into my pocket when those sparks from the starter scared the crap out of me.
It was very nice to meet you as well Jeff. That car is going to be a killer. I was glad I could provide some documentation for you regarding your car situation and hopefully it will assist in your journey. Anything I can do please don't hesitate to ask.
I have seen the car folks and touched it and looked it over quite carefully when Jeff was busy speaking with the other member. I wil not focus at all on any negatives whatsoever unless Jeff needs me to. He's got it all covered and everything he said is right on.
I will say this though, Jeff, if you need me to go back there and do court duty, let me know please.
The work on the car that has been performed so far is nothing short of amazing. I say this for 2 reasons, this has been there since November is it????,,,, and it has never stopped advancing toward the day it hits the road. BZ to Jon the owner for his efforts considering his workload, this man doesn't appear to have any down time.
Secondly, he knows his stuff, great work going on is all I can say.
Oh yeah, that white ford thing in there was alright I guess. :o
Talk soon
Mike
I think his one statement explains it all, where he say's you need to look at the body over anything. To me this means he only concentrated on making the outside look nice & the hell with everything else. Put a nice shiny paint job on a POS & it fools 9 out of 10. Like I said on my first comment on this 60 pages back. Nothing more then Perfume on a Pig. This Technique works which is why they continue to do it. Working 9 out of 10 are good odds for them. :Twocents: :shruggy: :slap: LEON.
Quote from: mikepmcs on January 24, 2009, 06:57:58 PM
I made a quick detour to Kansas on my way home. It must have fallen into my pocket when those sparks from the starter scared the crap out of me.
It was very nice to meet you as well Jeff. That car is going to be a killer. I was glad I could provide some documentation for you regarding your car situation and hopefully it will assist in your journey. Anything I can do please don't hesitate to ask.
I have seen the car folks and touched it and looked it over quite carefully when Jeff was busy speaking with the other member. I wil not focus at all on any negatives whatsoever unless Jeff needs me to. He's got it all covered and everything he said is right on.
I will say this though, Jeff, if you need me to go back there and do court duty, let me know please.
The work on the car that has been performed so far is nothing short of amazing. I say this for 2 reasons, this has been there since November is it????,,,, and it has never stopped advancing toward the day it hits the road. BZ to Jon the owner for his efforts considering his workload, this man doesn't appear to have any down time.
Secondly, he knows his stuff, great work going on is all I can say.
Oh yeah, that white ford thing in there was alright I guess. :o
Talk soon
Mike
Thanks Mike!! I really appreciate the support, and I will be calling you (for other things) I'm sure!! I'm glad you had the chance to go see the car in person.. At least now there's some support for certain issues that I haven't posted pictures of here (yet). I'll let you know the results of the VIN research that will yield some VERY interesting results, I'm sure.
Quote from: hemi-hampton on January 24, 2009, 07:10:37 PM
I think his one statement explains it all, where he say's you need to look at the body over anything. To me this means he only concentrated on making the outside look nice & the hell with everything else. Put a nice shiny paint job on a POS & it fools 9 out of 10. Like I said on my first comment on this 60 pages back. Nothing more then Perfume on a Pig. This Technique works which is why they continue to do it. Working 9 out of 10 are good odds for them. :Twocents: :shruggy: :slap: LEON.
I remember you saying that, Leon, and you were right. The night I brought my car into Jon he labeled it a "whore in a nice dress" which i about the same as what you're saying too.. The car, as you saw, was straight and shiny.. Who cares what's under that dress,right?? Hopefully some day Thomas finds the woman of his dreams and it turns out to be a tranny (Pre-op of course) :nana:
Just so we can put a face to the name, Thomas is the 3rd from the left...
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and another:
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I find it funny that BK states they have built cars for museums, :scratchchin: and have said they built cars for a "certain" Auto Museum..... :scratchchin: It's funny because when I called this morning and spoke with the owner of this "certain" Auto museum, he said that he has never heard of BK Automotive. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: I'm 3 for 3 so far and going for 4 monday. :smilielol: This is going to start getting really fun. :icon_smile_big:
Quote from: skip68 on January 24, 2009, 07:51:06 PM
I find it funny that BK states they have built cars for museums, :scratchchin: and have said they built cars for a "certain" Auto Museum..... :scratchchin: It's funny because when I called this morning and spoke with the owner of this "certain" Auto museum, he said that he has never heard of BK Automotive. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: I'm 3 for 3 so far and going for 4 monday. :smilielol: This is going to start getting really fun. :icon_smile_big:
And this SURPRISES you? So far we've proven all of BK's stories to be TOTAL BS.
:eek2: They've got bigger (legal) problems though.. I would not want to be them in 2009.
Jeff, Please PM me your address and I'll send/ship you the other item that we talked about.
:cheers:
Mike
Looks like the Munsters Caskett Dragster Grandpa Drove. Isn't that a George Barris Creation. I like it :2thumbs: LEON.
Everybody here is very familiar with HLPAG :brickwall: :brickwall: :brickwall:
Quote from: hemi-hampton on January 24, 2009, 10:30:52 PM
Everybody here is very familiar with HLPAG :brickwall: :brickwall: :brickwall:
One of these days, HLPAG is going to screw over the wrong person. :Twocents:
All I know is BK is rueing the day that Jeff bought a car built by them and brought it to Chucks attention. These two have made and are gonna make life a bit miserable for this company. I have thought at times that Chuck was being a little over-zealous, but I still want to commend him for putting in his personal time to make life miserable for this company. And Jeff should get a medal of some sort for everything he has had to go through just for wanting to buy his dream car.
Beers on me if we ever meet guys. :cheers: :cheers:
OK, I sat and read all 67 pages of this between last night and tonight. All I can say is what is this guy smoking :RantExplode: :RantExplode:. What an absolute ASSHAT. Butcher is too nice of a term here. I have never in my life seen a car this destroyed. The previous owner...this Brian guy....must must be a total f'ing moron to have spent 70 grand on building a turd like this and not ever question what was being done. Just kept writing checks for thousands of $$ at a crack...gimme a break...no one is that stupid :brickwall:.
I built my General for the cost of parts which is in the $20,000 range. I did ALL the work on the car, nothing was farmed out. That includes metal, all the chassis parts, complete new brake system, rear axle rebuild, interior pieces, and a TON of random parts the car was missing because I bought it disassembled. If you add in the labor time I have (about 500 hours) and figure a shop rate of $45/per hour which is the norm around here, and it comes up to $25,000 give or take and it ends up being in the $45,000 range and my car is built right. That's with the Hemi out of the picture. No half ass welds (that's also too nice of a term for what I have seen). no inch of mud, no missing bolts, everything works like it should. I hope this friggin guy gets what's coming to him.....scumbag.
:cheers: I'll take that beer General_01. :cheers: Thank you sir and hang in there with us as I have a feeling that something is about to unfold :2thumbs: I know how it must look at times and when I'm done I'll share everything to all. :yesnod: :icon_smile_big: Chuck................
Quote from: General_01 on January 24, 2009, 11:20:16 PM
All I know is BK is rueing the day that Jeff bought a car built by them and brought it to Chucks attention. These two have made and are gonna make life a bit miserable for this company. I have thought at times that Chuck was being a little over-zealous, but I still want to commend him for putting in his personal time to make life miserable for this company. And Jeff should get a medal of some sort for everything he has had to go through just for wanting to buy his dream car.
Thank you!! Let me say this -- Chuck is an incredible guy that goes WAY beyond the call of duty for others. I could only hope to some day be as generous with my time and resources. :cheers:
Quote from: BlueSS454 on January 25, 2009, 02:03:13 AM
OK, I sat and read all 67 pages of this between last night and tonight. All I can say is what is this guy smoking :RantExplode: :RantExplode:. What an absolute ASSHAT. Butcher is too nice of a term here. I have never in my life seen a car this destroyed. The previous owner...this Brian guy....must must be a total f'ing moron to have spent 70 grand on building a turd like this and not ever question what was being done. Just kept writing checks for thousands of $$ at a crack...gimme a break...no one is that stupid :brickwall:.
I built my General for the cost of parts which is in the $20,000 range. I did ALL the work on the car, nothing was farmed out. That includes metal, all the chassis parts, complete new brake system, rear axle rebuild, interior pieces, and a TON of random parts the car was missing because I bought it disassembled. If you add in the labor time I have (about 500 hours) and figure a shop rate of $45/per hour which is the norm around here, and it comes up to $25,000 give or take and it ends up being in the $45,000 range and my car is built right. That's with the Hemi out of the picture. No half ass welds (that's also too nice of a term for what I have seen). no inch of mud, no missing bolts, everything works like it should. I hope this friggin guy gets what's coming to him.....scumbag.
I have to give you credit here, I don't know if I could sit and plow through 67+ pages of a thread to get all the details.. Kudos!! This car was a HUGE mess.. one I would feel bad about reading if it was someone else's headache. If it wasn't for this forum and the friends I've made I probably would be going insane right now (well, MORE insane...).
Quote from: hemi-hampton on January 24, 2009, 10:30:52 PM
Everybody here is very familiar with HLPAG :brickwall: :brickwall: :brickwall:
You are SO RIGHT, there.. And now the world wide web will be very familiar with BK, as will the show circuit this summer.. I have a very big mouth and will not hesitate to bring my new display in the bed of my truck along with an electronic photo display of BK's "build".
Quote from: General_01 on January 24, 2009, 11:20:16 PM
All I know is BK is rueing the day that Jeff bought a car built by them and brought it to Chucks attention. These two have made and are gonna make life a bit miserable for this company. I have thought at times that Chuck was being a little over-zealous, but I still want to commend him for putting in his personal time to make life miserable for this company. And Jeff should get a medal of some sort for everything he has had to go through just for wanting to buy his dream car.
Beers on me if we ever meet guys. :cheers: :cheers:
If everyone was like Chuck & JB666 and of course most of the other members here, this thread wouldn't have taken place. But as we all know some slime slips through the cracks and comes on here and tries to shaft us. Too bad sometimes it takes a little longer to find out what people really are. Just because your a Marine or a Police Officer don't mean your really not really a POS!!! I commend what Chuck and JB are doing.....get'er done :2thumbs:
Quote from: The70RT on January 25, 2009, 12:51:01 PM
Quote from: General_01 on January 24, 2009, 11:20:16 PM
All I know is BK is rueing the day that Jeff bought a car built by them and brought it to Chucks attention. These two have made and are gonna make life a bit miserable for this company. I have thought at times that Chuck was being a little over-zealous, but I still want to commend him for putting in his personal time to make life miserable for this company. And Jeff should get a medal of some sort for everything he has had to go through just for wanting to buy his dream car.
Beers on me if we ever meet guys. :cheers: :cheers:
If everyone was like Chuck & JB666 and of course most of the other members here, this thread wouldn't have taken place. But as we all know some slime slips through the cracks and comes on here and tries to shaft us. Too bad sometimes it takes a little longer to find out what people really are. Just because your a Marine or a Police Officer don't mean your really not really a POS!!! I commend what Chuck and JB are doing.....get'er done :2thumbs:
Oh we will -- Thank you!! I've asked Steve to clean up the thread a few times to keep it on track, but it's been a steamroller of a thread!!! The best part, it's not over.
Quote from: skip68 on January 25, 2009, 03:27:03 AM
:cheers: I'll take that beer General_01. :cheers: Thank you sir and hang in there with us as I have a feeling that something is about to unfold :2thumbs: I know how it must look at times and when I'm done I'll share everything to all. :yesnod: :icon_smile_big: Chuck................
I'll second that.. I have lots of info/news to share too, I just can't quite do it yet...
truthfully, if this goes legal, which it obviously will, this thread could last for YEARS!
Quote from: 69charger2002 on January 26, 2009, 09:00:32 AM
truthfully, if this goes legal, which it obviously will, this thread could last for YEARS!
With any luck it will outlast BK Auto "LLC".
Outlast BK ? :smilielol: I bet my rear tires outlast BK. ;)
;)
Can Y'all smell that?? Chuck's on fire!! :popcrn:
:smilielol: I'm not on fire, I'm just having some fun. :yesnod: Part of me does enjoy this but don't tell anyone. :naughty: Remember, I think I once said that there are loopholes in everything and if you look in the right place you will find them. :naughty: :naughty:
nice talking to you again Chuck :2thumbs:
better keep you as afriend, huh?
I have some updates as well.. Minor things, but more exposure for BK's lies..
1. Corvettes & Classics of Houston has NEVER worked with BK. Not one car. Not one "contract".. Did BK say this? You tell me....
I have decided to list special vehicles of interest to show people what goes into a quaity restoration. There are too many paint shops, body shops and shade-tree businesses our there that claim to do 'restorations'. We of course do partial builds and piece work for local residents who want to do certain things themselves or are on a tight budget, but what sets us apart is our level of quality, detail and capability to build complete six-figure cars from the ground up, inside and out. we have cars in museums and garages all over the US, UK, Spain, France, Japan, Austrailia, Austria, and many others. we have built cars for movie stars, big businesses like Wrigleys and showrooms like Corvettes & Classics here in Houston, back wen we focused only on original builds and museums such as the Volo museum.
2. BK currently has a handful of non-English speaking people working for them. I wonder if Immigration will find that they are in the country illegally? :shruggy:
Now, let's take a ride.. Just so you can see what the junkyard looks like... And yes, these were taken today... Gotta get something out of the P.I. fees ;D
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/Charger8008.jpg)
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Would you pay them $150k to build a shop if you saw this shop??
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/Charger8010.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/Charger8011.jpg)
and here, at the end of the road, guess where the name came from?!?!?
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/Charger8012.jpg)
Quote from: jb666 on January 26, 2009, 11:33:55 AM
Can Y'all smell that?? Chuck's on fire!! :popcrn:
Chuck>> :flame: :flame: :flame: :flame: :flame: :flame:<<Chuck
:2thumbs:
Can't Burger King sue for © Copyright infringement? But then again we're not dealing with beef, we're dealing with BOLOGNA and hot gas. :icon_smile_tongue:
Quote from: skip68 on January 26, 2009, 10:35:29 AM
Outlast BK ? :smilielol: I bet my rear tires outlast BK. ;)
I hope you roast the tires on that thing daily. BK will be gone by March if you do. :icon_smile_big:
;)
:rotz: Well, it looks like BK Automotive LLC has a new name. This was sent to me last night. :-\ Black Knight Auto Design & Restoration LLC. I guess I have some more calls to make.
Geez I guess I'll have to change my signature down below from red knight to....
So, here's what I've got so far.---------------------- BK Auto, BK Automotive LLC, Black Knight Choppers, and now Black Knight Auto Design & Restoration LLC. ;) Take your pick.
I wonder if he is changing the "sign" out front for each one of these go arounds ?? I sorta doubt it.
Doug
I hope everybody who does anything with cars knows what has happened here one day.
I find it rather strange that movie stars have gone to BK Auto for cars. Does this look like the kind of shop that does 6 figure cars ?
Quote from: skip68 on January 27, 2009, 12:12:35 PM
I find it rather strange that movie stars have gone to BK Auto for cars. Does this look like the kind of shop that does 6 figure cars ?
Actually -- The report I got (with the pictures) the building & yard was described as a "junkyard". He said there was not ONE VEHICLE in the yard that gave anyone the impression that it was a "high dollar custom paint shop". I guess that beat up old pickup truck in the yard is what they want to represent their "custom paint" abilities. Definitely a $150k job there :lol:
As for the names, it'll be interesting to see what comes out of this... I certainly hope they are all legal names :icon_smile_blackeye:
BK sent me an email last night asking me why I never sent them the (bad) transmission parts for review and why I haven't come out to him in a month regarding his offer. PLEASE!!!!!!!!!! Can anyone possibly be that stupid?? let me send you my EVIDENCE so you can lose it and come back and say "It's lost, but it all looked perfect, I'm not sure what you're guy's talking about" :brickwall:
BK has more stories than Dr. Seuss... Only his won't have anything in common with the massage parlor down the street... NO HAPPY ENDINGS HERE.
Quote from: Indydoc on January 27, 2009, 12:02:34 PM
I wonder if he is changing the "sign" out front for each one of these go arounds ?? I sorta doubt it.
Doug
Well, it does look like a sign over a sign here.. You can see a shade variance in the white.. Like maybe he changes it each week :shruggy: And look, 7 slots down he's got a sign guy right in his development :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
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Quote from: skip68 on January 27, 2009, 12:12:35 PM
I find it rather strange that movie stars have gone to BK Auto for cars. Does this look like the kind of shop that does 6 figure cars ?
Not that it applies in this particular case, BUT buildings dont build cars PEOPLE do....Just an FYI , you dont need a multi-million dollar "facility" to do outstanding resto work.....
Quote from: 1hot68 on January 27, 2009, 12:45:06 PM
Quote from: skip68 on January 27, 2009, 12:12:35 PM
I find it rather strange that movie stars have gone to BK Auto for cars. Does this look like the kind of shop that does 6 figure cars ?
Not that it applies in this particular case, BUT buildings dont build cars PEOPLE do....Just an FYI , you dont need a multi-million dollar "facility" to do outstanding resto work.....
well said , we do alot of mechanical work (installs ) here at the salvage yard . Not much to look at but we do a great job . :Twocents:
Quote from: moparstuart on January 27, 2009, 12:52:32 PM
Quote from: 1hot68 on January 27, 2009, 12:45:06 PM
Quote from: skip68 on January 27, 2009, 12:12:35 PM
I find it rather strange that movie stars have gone to BK Auto for cars. Does this look like the kind of shop that does 6 figure cars ?
Not that it applies in this particular case, BUT buildings dont build cars PEOPLE do....Just an FYI , you dont need a multi-million dollar "facility" to do outstanding resto work.....
well said , we do alot of mechanical work (installs ) here at the salvage yard . Not much to look at but we do a great job . :Twocents:
While I'll agree with the "dont judge a book by it's cover" philosophy, but I also think that if you're out there building cars for museums, showrooms & movie stars the least you can do is represent yourself properly. If I was a client with $150k to spend and I walked up to this shop I'd look at the vehicles in the parking lot and the building. If they can't manage to make either of those things look good, I have no faith in them to make my $150k build look good.
BTW, in gathering all of my information together, I came across this GREAT quote from BK to me in an email... It's the best one yet:
I dont think we did $4k wrong on this build (Which is what his "offer" was to me to keep my mouth shut about this deal)
:popcrn:
Should have said:
I dont think we did $40k wrong on this build.....more like 60K
I would post the full email for everyone to see. :yesnod: What I gathered from that email is you (Jeff) better protect yourself. He wants to play games and talk big about whats legal and lawyers, then lets give him just what he wants. I guess that DC.com better talk to a lawyer to. I've read your emails BK, telling Jeff that what he's doing is illegal and he needs to stop and remove everything he has said so you don't have to take him to court. What about me ? Why don't you try and threaten me with taking me to court ? Every picture is 100% legit, Your (BK) own contract is breached on your behalf, You have contradicted yourself numerous times in writing, You have claimed to have built cars for certain customers and yet when I've spoke with them, they have said they never heard of you or no ! If you had an attorney you are failing him by contacting Jeff directly, There should be no contact unless through the attorneys, It is a very short time between a retainer and the letter in the mail. So this claim of your attorney making up the paperwork after 2 months holds no water with me, Now, there are many other things that I'm not going to speak about here and your 15 minutes is up ! This is a public forum with public opinions, and in MY public opinion, you're in trouble. This will be my last direct comment to you BK. So there it is. I'll be waiting for the letter from your attorney.
Chuck -- Believe me when I say that I've got my ass covered already.. I've broken no laws (but I've thought about it). I've only posted facts that can be verified with photographs. No here-say here!!
Check this out guys. I just got off the phone with Jerry Shultz of Corvettes & Classics. I gave him the Cardomain site so he could see that BK was claiming to build cars for them. :icon_smile_big: Man, I could tell as he read the ad to me that this was another lie from BK Auto. He told me I can quote him on saying that Corvettes & Classics have NOT had BK build them cars and he had never heard of BK Automotive. He then asked me for BK's address, and since I'm such a nice guy, I gave it to him. :icon_smile_big: I'm guessing that BK is going to hear from them. I told him the story of what's going on here and he's not happy about BK making these claims. There's more but that is for Jeff only. sorry. :popcrn: Hey Jeff, Do you think we will get the same cell ? :'( :icon_smile_big:
Quote from: skip68 on January 27, 2009, 03:43:10 PM
Check this out guys. I just got off the phone with Jerry Shultz of Corvettes & Classics. I gave him the Cardomain site so he could see that BK was claiming to build cars for them. :icon_smile_big: Man, I could tell as he read the ad to me that this was another lie from BK Auto. He told me I can quote him on saying that Corvettes & Classics have NOT had BK build them cars and he had never heard of BK Automotive. He then asked me for BK's address, and since I'm such a nice guy, I gave it to him. :icon_smile_big: I'm guessing that BK is going to hear from them. I told him the story of what's going on here and he's not happy about BK making these claims. There's more but that is for Jeff only. sorry. :popcrn: Hey Jeff, Do you think we will get the same cell ? :'( :icon_smile_big:
Wow, Chuck, good work!!!!!!!!
I'll give you a call in a bit and discuss... In the meantime, I wanted to let y'all know that the full report on my VIN/body #'s came today.. BOTH came up clear, thank God.. State Police will be doing a VIN/Body# inspection on the vehicle shortly, at which point the VIN will be issued from the state and 100% legal.
Quote from: jb666 on January 27, 2009, 06:01:55 PM
Quote from: skip68 on January 27, 2009, 03:43:10 PM
Check this out guys. I just got off the phone with Jerry Shultz of Corvettes & Classics. I gave him the Cardomain site so he could see that BK was claiming to build cars for them. :icon_smile_big: Man, I could tell as he read the ad to me that this was another lie from BK Auto. He told me I can quote him on saying that Corvettes & Classics have NOT had BK build them cars and he had never heard of BK Automotive. He then asked me for BK's address, and since I'm such a nice guy, I gave it to him. :icon_smile_big: I'm guessing that BK is going to hear from them. I told him the story of what's going on here and he's not happy about BK making these claims. There's more but that is for Jeff only. sorry. :popcrn: Hey Jeff, Do you think we will get the same cell ? :'( :icon_smile_big:
Wow, Chuck, good work!!!!!!!!
I'll give you a call in a bit and discuss... In the meantime, I wanted to let y'all know that the full report on my VIN/body #'s came today.. BOTH came up clear, thank God.. State Police will be doing a VIN/Body# inspection on the vehicle shortly, at which point the VIN will be issued from the state and 100% legal.
That is very good news indeed bud! :cheers:. I been keeping up with this thread all the time.
:2thumbs: Some more numbers may be added to this mess. :rotz:
I need to post this here, just to have the quote in case it disappears:
Bk Automotive LLC
4051 Hollister
Houston, TX. 77080
713-996-9655
www.bkauto.net
Thank you for checking out this car. My name is Thomas, and I am the owner/operator of a classic & specialty auto shop here in Houston, TX. My company is BK Automotive LLC, you may have heard of us already, but I am sure there are alot who havent. We have been in business in Houston since 1998. We deal in TV/Movie replica cars for collectors and museums, classic original restorations, restomods and high-end classic modifications. The methods and skills we use have been crafted over time to provide a true quality product.
I have decided to list special vehicles of interest to show people what goes into a quaity restoration. There are too many paint shops, body shops and shade-tree businesses our there that claim to do 'restorations'. We of course do partial builds and piece work for local residents who want to do certain things themselves or are on a tight budget, but what sets us apart is our level of quality, detail and capability to build complete six-figure cars from the ground up, inside and out. we have cars in museums and garages all over the US, UK, Spain, France, Japan, Austrailia, Austria, and many others. we have built cars for movie stars, big businesses like Wrigleys and showrooms like Corvettes & Classics here in Houston, back wen we focused only on original builds and museums such as the Volo museum.
Don't get me wrong, we are very mom & pop. I like to focus on low volume, high quality. We do not have a marble floor or a 10,000 sqft showroom. We have knowledgable and experianced craftsmen who work long and hard to provide a quality product for those who are concerned enough to have thier classic built or restored by true American afficianados.
I have selected some of the most interesting cars we have built to showcase on this site for your enjoyment. More information about my company can be found at www.bkauto.net and www.blackknightchoppers.net
And here's the email Chuck was referring to, from BK, where they offered me $4k towards my bill , but it came with a hitch...
On Dec 24, 2008, at 11:58 AM, BK Automotive LLC <bkautomotive@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Good morning. Lets get this thing done. I am not counting fender / hood or those things because they dont need it for what he did, your doing it is fine, but your building 8 times the car he was.
I'm added up myself what I would have spent and charged to do th same work (not quarters but the things we should have done) and I'm coming out at around $2k. of course, I wouldnt have been able to buy the sheet metal you did, so this isnt a perfect science. I know for your $7600 your doing alot of things that dont have anything to do with us, but lets just split the difference and I'll send you a check for $4000.00. I think that covers the window and trunk stuff that should have been done right here and leaves plenty leftover to make the nusance things like bolts and nuts feel better.
BK Automotive LLC
www.bkauto.net
713.996.9655
But then he followed up with his demands...
We can do it this way I guess, I'll UPS over 2k on Monday first thing (I always use 2nd day air) and just let me know that you removed the post and I'll send the other? Seems safe for us both.
but I'll be out of town from the 31st until the 5th? i'll be back whatever that Monday is, 4th or 5th i cant remember, so if you dont hear from me in that time thats why. this is the only personal time off I get all year so I do take it. I gotta see family, get into church and get my head right for another year.
BK Automotive LLC
www.bkauto.net
713.996.9655
So that's all his business is worth to him... My favorite BK quote (for today) is this one...
Now, anyone who spends enough time at the shop, or see some of the difficult projects we take on should know that I am not afraid of rust....
From here:
http://www.bkauto.net/1959%20Cadillac%20Ambulance.htm
No, he's not afraid of it. In fact, he LOVES it!!
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The rope that BK Auto keeps hanging himself with. That is just unbelievable, again admitting that they didn't do the work! What a :loser:
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Quote from: MoparManJim on January 27, 2009, 07:37:47 PM
Am I blind here or is he? The other guy spent big money to have the car done RIGHT for XXXXX and yet the car was slapt togother? before the poor guy gets it he has to sell it and then Jeff gets it for less what the other guy spent on it. Then Jeff finds all these problems when the car was pose to been fix/restored the right way from the get go. So for all the XXXXX that was spent, where did it all go to if almost none of it went for things on the car? :shruggy: . After seeing those two new posts this got me thinking now about Jeff's car. I mostly keep quite but for afew times in this thread as I'm trying to figure this out myself.
Don't feel bad, Jim.. I'm still trying to figure it out myself. How anyone can build a car like this and have the nerve to stand behind it and put their company name/tag on it. It's a complete joke. I know if I was running a business I wouldn't sleep at night knowing I was ripping people off like this. $70k, to almost anyone I know, is a LOT OF MONEY. But, to BK, this was the sign of a "cheapskate". What am I missing here?
Glad the numbers on the car came up A-OK. That is a relief. Keep after him. I think he is doing a wonderful job helping out your case against him.
Chuck, how fast do you think a cease and desist order will get to BK from C & C? What a tool. Putting stuff that is so easy to check up on in their bio. Won't be long before Chuck will need new tires. :smilielol:
;)
Jeff, the email I was talking about was when BK was talking to you about you breaking the laws and taking you to court. :smilielol: If you wanted to post about that that's fine. If not, that's fine to. I guess by now we have built good credibility. ;)
Hey Jeff and Chuck,
I'll come visit y'all in jail. :lol: Give em hell! :2thumbs:
I'm going to trade Jeff for a pack of smokes and a phone call. :yesnod: That phone call will be to you Cozmo. When you get that call, you will then know I am truly done. :smoke:
Hey no one's going to jail here.. Hey Cozmo, you're in Texas.. You might be able to buy a business really cheap pretty soon. Check out the Government Seizure website :shruggy:
Quote from: jb666 on January 12, 2009, 10:54:44 PM
Quote from: Stanleyart on January 12, 2009, 10:47:37 PM
Quote from: jb666 on January 12, 2009, 08:34:27 PM
Quote from: teamroth on January 12, 2009, 08:29:49 PM
JB, a small aside, you may want to add in the title of the thread bkauto.net, for a couple of reasons, when I google bkauto, I don't get this thread, and there are a few other bkauto's out there who I am sure would not want their names associated with this guy. Also I hadn't realized it before, but the real name of the company is Blackknight automotive llc, just a few thoughts, to maybe push this up on google. Just a few thoughts, hope it helps man, best of luck!
Good suggestion. I feel bad for the other businesses with this name, right now...
When I bring my website to the surface , it'll have enough key words that it'll be right there with BK's home page on EBay no matter how it's searched. This whole deal will be a black cloud over BK's head for a long time to come.
I'll bet they wished they just agreed to repair the car when the deal was on the table.. Of course, they'll say they DID offer to fix it (if I shipped it to AND from them at my expense AND paid for all the materials). Good "deal" huh?
Of course, had the company sent you a written agreement stating their intentions, that would have helped too.
I do have that message somewhere, that he sent me via email.. Here's part of his "deal" though... You'll love this. :lol:
----- Original Message -----
From: BK Automotive LLC
To: Jb666
Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2008 2:24 PM
Subject: Re:
I dont need a rebuttal. I am being honest here, I was pissed beyond belief before because I thought you were just a jackass, making stuff up on purpose to make us look bad because you got screwed. Well, I apologise, because I see now thats not exactly the case.
you dont owe me an apology or a rebuttal or anything. I wish you might have went about it differently, but thats not here nor there now. You didnt do anything wrong to apologise for in my opinion, because you didnt know the truth about what he built and what you bought. I am positive you were told he spent 70k on a 1969 charger and expected a fully restored car, I would have. Its a shame if he advertised it that way, and its certailny a tough break for you, but a guy can have me paint a crappy car to look nice and put a $30k engine in it and advertise it as a $40k restoration, I have no control over what people do on thier own. but thats not what concerns me.
What matters most to me is just the truth. I need you to remove your current posting. That one I saw and any others you made that have the same theme of '$70k restoration BK screwed some guy on'. I dont mean you can put one up, please do. I would like to see the car tore down and rebuilt myself. What I mean is whats on there now is not only untrue, but technically what your saying is very illegal in all 50 states. Your not our customer, so you cant pass judgment in a way that could deter business from us on any work we did for someone else. its pretty black and white and by law if enforced you could be held liable for monetary damages caused by business we may loose by your posting. It has to do with the manner it is presented, I am sure you didnt know, look no sweat, just FYI stuff.
Yes, the TRUTH I am saying/posting/showing is "very illegal in all 50 states" :smilielol: I can't pass judgement on a car they just built that still has their tags on it..
Sorry, but BK bolted this on my "freshly restored" car, not me!!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2216Medium.jpg).
He posted it a while back Chuck. Here it is.
Thanks, but that's not the one, there was another one. :cheers: In fact, I think BK has sent 20 to 30 emails to Jeff. :rofl: I'm not sure but it's a bunch.
Quote from: skip68 on January 27, 2009, 10:51:33 PM
Thanks, but that's not the one, there was another one. :cheers: In fact, I think BK has sent 20 to 30 emails to Jeff. :rofl: I'm not sure but it's a bunch.
Yeah, there are a lot. Each one with more BS in it than the last. This guy's got more lines than Disney Land on summer vacation.
Quote from: jb666 on January 27, 2009, 07:41:30 PM
Quote from: MoparManJim on January 27, 2009, 07:37:47 PM
Am I blind here or is he? The other guy spent big money to have the car done RIGHT for XXXXX and yet the car was slapt togother? before the poor guy gets it he has to sell it and then Jeff gets it for less what the other guy spent on it. Then Jeff finds all these problems when the car was pose to been fix/restored the right way from the get go. So for all the XXXXX that was spent, where did it all go to if almost none of it went for things on the car? :shruggy: . After seeing those two new posts this got me thinking now about Jeff's car. I mostly keep quite but for afew times in this thread as I'm trying to figure this out myself.
Don't feel bad, Jim.. I'm still trying to figure it out myself. How anyone can build a car like this and have the nerve to stand behind it and put their company name/tag on it. It's a complete joke. I know if I was running a business I wouldn't sleep at night knowing I was ripping people off like this. $70k, to almost anyone I know, is a LOT OF MONEY. But, to BK, this was the sign of a "cheapskate". What am I missing here?
Good morning fellow readers. :cheers: Have you had your coffee ? Well, since Wrigley's is the last of BK's claim to fame for me to contact I guess I'll just have to talk to them today. :naughty: I'd like to see if I can find at least one TRUE customer and see if they are pleased. Place your bets now. ;) I hope to post two quotes today. ;)
OK, I called and spoke with the Volo Museum and BK DID in fact build a car. :o They built the George Barris replica "Coffin Dragster" a few years ago. So, this is one thing that BK has been honest about and I want to make sure that it is known as we do our best to post nothing but the facts. This changes nothing. ;)
:yesnod: In a way , I'm not surprised to see they have built something. But, if they built 1 car or 10,000 cars it really has nothing to do with Jeff's car other than finding fault with BK's claims. :cheers: It's just something to do while we wait on the bigger things. ;)
Quote from: captnsim on January 28, 2009, 12:25:06 PM
How can you make a GL and still have a factory car? :shruggy: That in it's self is a contradiction...
I'm not talking about the GL, I'm talking about the structure of the car. Frame rails, floors, trunk, SAFETY issues that were overlooked. Rotted gas tank brackets...
I don't care if this is Herbie The Love Bug it's still a car that came from a factory with standards and it was very clear that this car was going to be restored to 1969 Charger factory condition.
Quote from: jb666 on January 28, 2009, 12:37:42 PM
Quote from: captnsim on January 28, 2009, 12:25:06 PM
How can you make a GL and still have a factory car? :shruggy: That in it's self is a contradiction...
I'm not talking about the GL, I'm talking about the structure of the car. Frame rails, floors, trunk, SAFETY issues that were overlooked. Rotted gas tank brackets...
I don't care if this is Herbie The Love Bug it's still a car that came from a factory with standards and it was very clear that this car was going to be restored to 1969 Charger factory condition.
I agree, the General Lee is just some cosmetic additions to a factory vehicle. Nothing more than paint and some decals. The rest of this mess is unbelievable.... :Twocents:
...
If the car was not meant to be street legal, then why did BK admit that he drove the car at 65mph or so and it was fine ? :shruggy: This means that BK drove it on the road. The other thing is street legal or not, this car was not safe for the street or private roads. He advertised this car to be in good driving condition. Besides, the tag is a general tag and says MAY not necessarily be "street legal". :shruggy: So what. The car was not built right and that's the main issue. I think. Jeff, did you get the car registered ? Or did Brian ? If BK or anyone else thinks that this tag saying the car may not be street legal gets them off the hook for breaching a contract then you are wrong. I have the description of the car in BK's own words and it DOES NOT match the car. Just like the V.I.N. tag does not match the body. Thank's for pointing that out captnsim, but it won't matter and we will not hide any mistakes if they are made. We will correct them.
There was no FACTORY GL. The car is a FACTORY 1969 Dodge Charger with Orange paint and a few stickers. You are completely missing the point on the safety issues along with the horrible bodywork/assembly. Find me a FACTORY GL and I'll sell my house to buy it, but considering the show was 1978 and the car was 1969, I think we know which came first, which was clearly stated in the contract "This car will be rebuilt to factory condition" = 1969 Condition.
Looking at all angles is good. But, we must stay with what the real issue is. :2thumbs:
That's why these shops get closed down. :yesnod: Not because people don't know cars but because these shops get in trouble for NOT doing the job they were paid for or breaking the law. Just like all the shops we have seen on the news over the years. Do you think for one second that they could have said that the buyer knew nothing about cars and that the police or D.A. would say sorry and let them go ? I think you mean well captnsim, but these type of shops are bad for everyone. :cheers: On a side note. If BK new these cars should not be drivin and are not built to be drivin, then why would he even drive the car. :shruggy: Road test it. :shruggy: I don't care if BK was paid to build a space shuttle. If the contract said original body condition, then you better provide just that. There is not one person that can say this car was built right. Even BK say's that. :popcrn:
At this point it is very important to keep this train on the tracks. It's carrying some valuable cargo.
Whats new with the build at this point?
I know we've been talking about the LEGAL aspect of this entire situation, but the car is REALLY coming along. I'm actually HAPPY to see it now, where before I'd leave with this feeling in my stomach like someone just stole my family dog..
I'll post more later.. I'm trying to get a few things finished up at work.
By the way, Jeff, the car is looking better and better, now. You're almost there! Stay with it!
Quote from: Stanleyart on January 28, 2009, 05:55:49 PM
By the way, Jeff, the car is looking better and better, now. You're almost there! Stay with it!
Thanks man.. It actually DROVE out of Jon's shop the other day (well, long enough to play musical cars), but it's a good sign.. It's ALIVE!!!
Quote from: jb666 on January 28, 2009, 03:59:09 PM
At this point it is very important to keep this train on the tracks. It's carrying some valuable cargo.
I could not agree more. What this post is doing is helping many others learn from a mistake made by someone else. Our mom's and dad's are not here with great advise for us or for thousands of new mopar hobbyists. Mom and dad told us something was hot and when we tried it for ourselves we learned that HOT meant PAIN. Jeff is dealing with his PAIN through this thread and his wallet. By doing so he is helping others to NOT make the same mistake that he did.
I have said it before and I will again, PLEASE PEOPLE, let's keep this thread about what it IS about. If this thread ends up being part of history, (and it already has), let's try to not look like a bunch of children in the playground. Imagine if this thread had been out there BEFORE Jeff started looking for a CHARGER or GL. Or before Brian started looking. How many OTHER people have and WILL read this in the future and see all these pages of WHAT NOT TO DO??
This is not about pointing fingers at Jeff or Brian or anyone else that was simply buying something they always wanted. They have both admitted their mistake and Jeff is trying to keep others from making the same mistake he made. A search will also bring up HLPAG. We have helped others in the past to be warned of their tactics. A few didn't see the thread and were burned. This is why this thread is so important. We spend many thousands of our hard earned and harder to come by dollars on these cars and parts. I applaud those who warn of and expose people that are LESS than truthful.
I have gone in and cleaned up many posts that were off track and just not helpful to this thread. If anyone would like to complain about it please feel free to PM me here.
I never posted the pics of the fenders when they were off the car..In fact, I just FOUND these tonight (on my spare camera) There's more patchwork on these fenders than your average quilt... Again another GREAT example of "factory condition".
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2362.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2361.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2360.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2359.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2358.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2357.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2356.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2355.jpg)
:2thumbs: Good job Jeff on posting those pictures. :2thumbs: Wait a minute. :o Is that the factory blue paint I see ? It can't be. BK said the car was blasted. :scratchchin:
ouch! she was just a pave job, im glad to see you are doing it the right way! :2thumbs:
Quote from: skip68 on January 28, 2009, 09:24:19 PM
:2thumbs: Good job Jeff on posting those pictures. :2thumbs: Wait a minute. :o Is that the factory blue paint I see ? It can't be. BK said the car was blasted. :scratchchin:
:rofl: OF COURSE THEY DID!!
Quote from: Mean 318 on January 28, 2009, 09:27:57 PM
ouch! she was just a pave job, im glad to see you are doing it the right way! :2thumbs:
Yeah, it sure was.. I have a few hood shots.. They painted right over rust holes.
Remember these shots? JUST A LITTLE BIT of Bondo here...
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_5980Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_5959Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_5962Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_5960Medium.jpg)
:o That stuff is junk. :slap: I'm sorry to say that Jeff, but I never saw those pictures until now. :rotz: The only thing I can say for BK is at least they used bondo. At least they didn't waste time trying to cut and patch all the rust holes when you can just replace them or bondo them. :smilielol:
Quote from: skip68 on January 28, 2009, 09:46:27 PM
:o That stuff is junk. :slap: I'm sorry to say that Jeff, but I never saw those pictures until now. :rotz: The only thing I can say for BK is at least they used bondo. At least they didn't waste time trying to cut and patch all the rust holes when you can just replace them or bondo them. :smilielol:
No, I actually forgot to post them.. They were on my Nikon's card, and I forgot because I normally use my Kodak for the car shots.. They were pretty rough. Now you see why I'm ordering AMD panels??
It just gets better. Are those rust holes "factory condition"? :rofl: :rofl:
Sorry Jeff, but it was too funny to pass up.
If they have a rust factory, then yes they are factory. :smilielol:
Yep, everything on the car is factory. :cheers:
NO Jeff. You must be clear. Everything on the car is BK factory. There, I fix for you. Out of state sale, No charge. ;)
Check out these nasty fenders on EBay for $800. I consider these much worse then what I had... I sold my entire nose for half that :shruggy:
(http://i23.ebayimg.com/08/i/000/ea/ee/5710_1.JPG)
(http://i23.ebayimg.com/01/i/000/ea/ee/5e8d_1.JPG)
(http://i23.ebayimg.com/03/i/000/ea/ee/60bc_1.JPG)
And last week there was a rotted '69 hood for $350 that got 10 bids!!
By the Repop stuff from AMD :scratchchin: LEON.
Here's where I first posted clear pictures of these fenders:
Reply #1104 on: January 13, 2009, 08:54:47 PM
(http://www.freiburgersjunkyard.com/assets/images/news/2008/Dec/21-27/IMG_2686.JPG)
« Reply #1016 on: January 10, 2009, 05:17:36 PM »
This front driver's lower fender patch work is awesome!! I think the same 11 year old kid that was welding with his shorts on did this... "restored to factory condition".
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_5960Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_5980Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_5959Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_5962Medium.jpg)
:shruggy:
Quote from: hemi-hampton on January 28, 2009, 11:03:13 PM
By the Repop stuff from AMD :scratchchin: LEON.
It's what I'm buying.. I'm just showing what's out there for a LOT more then I sold my fenders/hood for...
Those AMD fenders seem to be really nice pieces.
:shruggy: It will be over soon. ;)
I found THIS while checking them out
http://www.medlawplus.com/classaction/usercomment.tpl?cuid=C11917712883079047
Thats HLPAG, between them and BK they appear to have the Charger con market almost evenly split. That Shane McGahey or whatever his name is has been trying to get his share too.
Quote from: model maker on January 29, 2009, 03:51:16 AM
I found THIS while checking them out
http://www.medlawplus.com/classaction/usercomment.tpl?cuid=C11917712883079047
Yup, that link in the article is Tony's car, he's on here too. There is also a thread on it as well. Go back a couple, shoot probably 5 pages now :lol: and you'll see that whole fiasco thread I posted up.
Thanks for the fender pictures Jeff. Wow is all I can say. Regardless , being the decent guy that you are, you still practically
gave those fenders and hood away trying to do your part and help out somebody else. I know, because I was there, in case anyone is wondering. I commend you for that.
Mike
Thanks Mike.. if anyone can talk about this, you can, since you were standing in Jon's when the whole deal went down..
Anyways, I have some proof that the car IS ALIVE and mobile, finally!! Still a long road ahead of me, but there's light at the end of the tunnel!!! This weekend the new fenders & hood will be ordered!!!!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/IMG_2535.jpg)
It's looking better! :2thumbs:
The fenders look fine??? Why not just fill those factory holes w/some BK fill? jk :brickwall:
:cheers: :scratchchin: I take it that the doors are fine ? Glad to see that "MY" friend Mike was there. ;)
Quote from: skip68 on January 29, 2009, 12:04:30 PM
:cheers: :scratchchin: I take it that the doors are fine ? Glad to see that "MY" friend Mike was there. ;)
Yep, the doors/lower rockers are fine, thank God.. We expected the lower rockers to be trash, but Jon checked them out and they are straight and solid. The doors (inside/out) appear to be clean , which was another shocker. No BK custom work there :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
Mike's my friend now.
Quote from: Mopar2Ya on January 29, 2009, 11:23:57 AM
It's looking better! :2thumbs:
The fenders look fine??? Why not just fill those factory holes w/some BK fill? jk :brickwall:
:lol: I thought about it!!
I'm leaving soon, going to the Shelby Museum for a bit. :cheers: I wanted to know, did you take pics of the old "original" brake lines ? If so, can you post them please ? Thanks, your humble servant Chuck.............
Quote from: skip68 on January 29, 2009, 12:36:29 PM
I'm leaving soon, going to the Shelby Museum for a bit. :cheers: I wanted to know, did you take pics of the old "original" brake lines ? If so, can you post them please ? Thanks, your humble servant Chuck.............
You know, I took a LOT of pictures the day I got the car home and on my buddy's lift.. That's when the fun first began (mechanical). The one shot I didn't take, which I wish I did, was the DUCK TAPE connect brake line T. That was classic and I'm certain NOT in the "101 uses for Duck Tape" manual.
I'll post some up tonight.
Quote from: skip68 on January 29, 2009, 12:36:29 PM
I'm leaving soon, going to the Shelby Museum for a bit. :cheers:
I wish I was doing that today, instead of doing what I'm doing. :-\
Jeff just a short note from down under {Australia} as I know where you are coming from.I bought a car that turned out way worse than it should have been even though I asked the owner to go over the car one more time to make sure there was no surprises.Though he owned it for 4 years he missed a lot of stuff that I now have to fix.
Go here if you have the time.
gprsmopars.com
project pics on the left of the home page.
He and BK are poles apart all the same and you and this site are incredible.Wish you all the best with the car and wish for the rest of the world to be rid of this shonky.
To BK I recently had a small scale version of this happen to a car I bought for my son where the RWC {road worthy certificate} supposed to be good for 30 days turned out not to have mentioned the faults like no washes or inter wipers no fog lights brake pads non existent and steering wheel grip all loose.So I rang our D O T and asked for advice they told me to bring the car down and they would defect notice it then I had to get quotes to fix it.So I rang the guy that did it and told him I wasn't happy and what the D O T had told me he apologized for slack work and thanked me for contacting and agree to pay to have everything fixed about 500 bucks.I said to him thanks man we all stuff up in life but it's how we deal with the stuff ups that people remember.
The difference between this guy and BK is my guy has a backbone so my advice for BK is to scrape the egg off his face and make good with the car he said he would make.I believe that was a factory dodge charger.It's going to cost a heap but it's the right thing to do.
cheers Jeff and If you ever want to get away to Australia for a while my shout lol
Quote from: d/ur/t on January 29, 2009, 03:46:46 PM
Jeff just a short note from down under {Australia} as I know where you are coming from.I bought a car that turned out way worse than it should have been even though I asked the owner to go over the car one more time to make sure there was no surprises.Though he owned it for 4 years he missed a lot of stuff that I now have to fix.
Go here if you have the time.
gprsmopars.com
project pics on the left of the home page.
He and BK are poles apart all the same and you and this site are incredible.Wish you all the best with the car and wish for the rest of the world to be rid of this shonky.
To BK I recently had a small scale version of this happen to a car I bought for my son where the RWC {road worthy certificate} supposed to be good for 30 days turned out not to have mentioned the faults like no washes or inter wipers no fog lights brake pads non existent and steering wheel grip all loose.So I rang our D O T and asked for advice they told me to bring the car down and they would defect notice it then I had to get quotes to fix it.So I rang the guy that did it and told him I wasn't happy and what the D O T had told me he apologized for slack work and thanked me for contacting and agree to pay to have everything fixed about 500 bucks.I said to him thanks man we all stuff up in life but it's how we deal with the stuff ups that people remember.
The difference between this guy and BK is my guy has a backbone so my advice for BK is to scrape the egg off his face and make good with the car he said he would make.I believe that was a factory dodge charger.It's going to cost a heap but it's the right thing to do.
cheers Jeff and If you ever want to get away to Australia for a while my shout lol
Thanks, Mate!! WELL SAID!! At this point I'm wondering if BK CARES about their business reputation, but that would be the only thing that would "help" him at this point and POSSIBLY save face..
If you guys got ripped off, have you thought of joining that class action lawsuit against those crooks ? Power is in numbers !
Quote from: model maker on January 29, 2009, 06:24:30 PM
If you guys got ripped off, have you thought of joining that class action lawsuit against those crooks ? Power is in numbers !
Yes. All the ducks are already in a row for that to happen. I was kind of hoping BK would come to their senses before that, though. We'll see.
I Hope those jerks get stopped cold in their tracks, They need to really be made examples of for doing something like that to people who fork over their HARD earned money & then have to spend more money and time to get a car that is safe to drive. Good luck to all of you pursuing justice for the horrible INJUSTICE you experienced.
Bert
Quote from: model maker on January 29, 2009, 09:05:26 PM
I Hope those jerks get stopped cold in their tracks, They need to really be made examples of for doing something like that to people who fork over their HARD earned money & then have to spend more money and time to get a car that is safe to drive. Good luck to all of you pursuing justice for the horrible INJUSTICE you experienced.
Bert
Thank you. The one that could REALLY benefit here would be Brian. He's willing to jump in on a class action suit, but getting him HERE to back this all up is like pulling teeth... :brickwall: :brickwall:
Like I said, the more people you have to go after them the better. There is REAL POWER IN NUMBERS :cheers:
I may have missed it, so Brian actually had the title in his name?
Yes, and The title that BK gave Brian was in Thomas Schubert's name. :shruggy: :-\
I remember when someone Questioned fixing the Rust bucket & you said it's only the back half rusty, the front half is fine. BUT, Now I see your replacing 2 rusty front Fenders & a rusty Hood. It seems it's much rustier then first thought. Anyways, Your doing it the right way, keep going. LEON.
I've been reading up on this thread periodically. Glad to see you're fixing the car properly versus the hack repair job done by BK. That said, I just don't see how legally you have any claim against BK. It seems to me that you & Brian were both suckers for not checking out your expensive purchases more carefully beforehand.
My two cents. Good luck regardless.
Neal
Quote from: hemi-hampton on January 30, 2009, 12:12:35 AM
I remember when someone Questioned fixing the Rust bucket & you said it's only the back half rusty, the front half is fine. BUT, Now I see your replacing 2 rusty front Fenders & a rusty Hood. It seems it's much rustier then first thought. Anyways, Your doing it the right way, keep going. LEON.
Leon -- I only pulled the front fenders/hood because I wanted all clean/straight metal on the car.. When I said the front wasn't rusty, I meant the frame & floors. THAT horror show stopped at the door jams... Now my only goal is to have a clean car that will last years to come (You know, like this one should have been). Thanks Leon - Plenty more pictures to come.
Quote from: Neal_J on January 30, 2009, 12:36:41 AM
I've been reading up on this thread periodically. Glad to see you're fixing the car properly versus the hack repair job done by BK. That said, I just don't see how legally you have any claim against BK. It seems to me that you & Brian were both suckers for not checking out your expensive purchases more carefully beforehand.
My two cents. Good luck regardless.
Neal
Good thing you're not my attorney :lol: Seriously, I'm sure you didn't comb through 60+ pages, but there's plenty of legal issues binding me to BK.
As for being "suckers", that was determined on page one, by me :brickwall:
Quote from: skip68 on January 29, 2009, 11:22:36 PM
Yes, and The title that BK gave Brian was in Thomas Schubert's name. :shruggy: :-\
Just doesn't make any sence that no one registered it that actually supposed to have owned it. Sounds like title jumping to me and a way to avoid taxes. :shruggy:
Quote from: The70RT on January 30, 2009, 10:30:56 AM
Quote from: skip68 on January 29, 2009, 11:22:36 PM
Yes, and The title that BK gave Brian was in Thomas Schubert's name. :shruggy: :-\
Just doesn't make any sence that no one registered it that actually supposed to have owned it. Sounds like title jumping to me and a way to avoid taxes. :shruggy:
What do you mean? Brian bought it from BK and registered/titled it. I bought it from Brian and registered/titled it. The title BRIAN got from BK had Thomas' name on it. The title I got from Brian had Brian's name on it. All legal in that area.
Quote from: jb666 on January 30, 2009, 10:36:06 AM
Quote from: The70RT on January 30, 2009, 10:30:56 AM
Quote from: skip68 on January 29, 2009, 11:22:36 PM
Yes, and The title that BK gave Brian was in Thomas Schubert's name. :shruggy: :-\
Just doesn't make any sence that no one registered it that actually supposed to have owned it. Sounds like title jumping to me and a way to avoid taxes. :shruggy:
What do you mean? Brian bought it from BK and registered/titled it. I bought it from Brian and registered/titled it. The title BRIAN got from BK had Thomas' name on it. The title I got from Brian had Brian's name on it. All legal in that area.
Ok....I understand now. Kinda hard to keep up with all of it. Keep up the good work :2thumbs:
Quote from: The70RT on January 30, 2009, 10:40:27 AM
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Quote from: The70RT on January 30, 2009, 10:30:56 AM
Quote from: skip68 on January 29, 2009, 11:22:36 PM
Yes, and The title that BK gave Brian was in Thomas Schubert's name. :shruggy: :-\
Just doesn't make any sence that no one registered it that actually supposed to have owned it. Sounds like title jumping to me and a way to avoid taxes. :shruggy:
What do you mean? Brian bought it from BK and registered/titled it. I bought it from Brian and registered/titled it. The title BRIAN got from BK had Thomas' name on it. The title I got from Brian had Brian's name on it. All legal in that area.
Ok....I understand now. Kinda hard to keep up with all of it. Keep up the good work :2thumbs:
Oh, believe me, I'm having a hard time keeping my head above water on this one......
And the saga continues...
THE ONLY THING on the motor BK touched was the oil pan. They changed that and the pickup...
The oil pan bolts are cranked so tight that the gasket is trashed... So now the oil pan's coming off. :brickwall:
Wait -- They also installed the carb on this motor.. THAT was totally jocked. The electric choke was wired to the voltage regulator and jammed so bad the butterfly wouldn't move.
I guess I should say I'm glad they didn't BUILD the motor, because they are 3-3 on the INSTALL of the motor :brickwall: :brickwall: :brickwall: :brickwall:
1. Carb from Hell
2. No Anti-Freeze
3. Oil Pan/Gasket trashed
:cheers:
Tonight's update.. The rear main seal is leaking too, so Jon will be replacing that when he does the oil pan gasket.. He said tonight it's running good though!!
I'll be heading to his shop tonight/tomorrow so more pictures will follow...
One thing I'm siked about is that I have blazing heat/defrost in the Charger now!!! :bow:
Quote from: jb666 on January 30, 2009, 05:35:56 PM
Tonight's update.. The rear main seal is leaking too, so Jon will be replacing that when he does the oil pan gasket.. He said tonight it's running good though!!
I'll be heading to his shop tonight/tomorrow so more pictures will follow...
One thing I'm siked about is that I have blazing heat/defrost in the Charger now!!! :bow:
Heats easy ;D ac is where it's at :icon_smile_cool: :icon_smile_big: :icon_smile_big:
Quote from: charger01 on January 30, 2009, 05:48:09 PM
Quote from: jb666 on January 30, 2009, 05:35:56 PM
Tonight's update.. The rear main seal is leaking too, so Jon will be replacing that when he does the oil pan gasket.. He said tonight it's running good though!!
I'll be heading to his shop tonight/tomorrow so more pictures will follow...
One thing I'm siked about is that I have blazing heat/defrost in the Charger now!!! :bow:
Heats easy ;D ac is where it's at :icon_smile_cool: :icon_smile_big: :icon_smile_big:
I was going to, originally, but I don't use it. I'd rather have the windows down listening to it while I drive down the road.. :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
Don't get me wrong, my truck & Vette both have ICE COLD A/C, and it's always cranking, but this will be bare bones
Don't think you'll be able to fix that rear main. It's one of those quality control aspects that MP is famous for. The new blocks supposedly fixed the casting.
Mine didn't start leaking until I put synthetic in and even at that it's not a whole lot.
Quote from: 472 R/T SE on January 30, 2009, 06:31:13 PM
Don't think you'll be able to fix that rear main. It's one of those quality control aspects that MP is famous for. The new blocks supposedly fixed the casting.
Mine didn't start leaking until I put synthetic in and even at that it's not a whole lot.
Oh that's great news..... Well, I'm not running Synthetic and it's leaking... When the inspection cover came off the tranny it was like a fluid retainer, it all came out...
Quote from: jb666 on January 30, 2009, 05:35:56 PM
Tonight's update.. The rear main seal is leaking too, so Jon will be replacing that when he does the oil pan gasket.. He said tonight it's running good though!!
I'll be heading to his shop tonight/tomorrow so more pictures will follow...
One thing I'm siked about is that I have blazing heat/defrost in the Charger now!!! :bow:
I think you're nuts not taking that motor to an engine builder and having them completely tear ot apart! :Twocents:
Quote from: joflaig on January 30, 2009, 06:36:26 PM
Quote from: jb666 on January 30, 2009, 05:35:56 PM
Tonight's update.. The rear main seal is leaking too, so Jon will be replacing that when he does the oil pan gasket.. He said tonight it's running good though!!
I'll be heading to his shop tonight/tomorrow so more pictures will follow...
One thing I'm siked about is that I have blazing heat/defrost in the Charger now!!! :bow:
I think you're nuts not taking that motor to an engine builder and having them completely tear ot apart! :Twocents:
I'm not saying it won't happen, just not now. I'm seriously getting over-extended on this project. The motor passed several tests with flying colors and unless it grenades this Spring/Summer I'm going to take my chances with it. NEXT FALL is another story. We've already talked about pulling it for some 'modifications', so all I'm asking out of this (current build) motor is one season.
Quote from: jb666 on January 30, 2009, 06:40:55 PM
Quote from: joflaig on January 30, 2009, 06:36:26 PM
Quote from: jb666 on January 30, 2009, 05:35:56 PM
Tonight's update.. The rear main seal is leaking too, so Jon will be replacing that when he does the oil pan gasket.. He said tonight it's running good though!!
I'll be heading to his shop tonight/tomorrow so more pictures will follow...
One thing I'm siked about is that I have blazing heat/defrost in the Charger now!!! :bow:
I think you're nuts not taking that motor to an engine builder and having them completely tear ot apart! :Twocents:
I'm not saying it won't happen, just not now. I'm seriously getting over-extended on this project. The motor passed several tests with flying colors and unless it grenades this Spring/Summer I'm going to take my chances with it. NEXT FALL is another story. We've already talked about pulling it for some 'modifications', so all I'm asking out of this (current build) motor is one season.
You know more about the status and finances of this project than I do of course, and I know you want to drive this thing in the summer, but don't count on it! And if that motor goes after you get the car on the road well you may not get to use it anyway when the weather warms. Happened to me!
Quote from: joflaig on January 30, 2009, 06:45:44 PM
Quote from: jb666 on January 30, 2009, 06:40:55 PM
Quote from: joflaig on January 30, 2009, 06:36:26 PM
Quote from: jb666 on January 30, 2009, 05:35:56 PM
Tonight's update.. The rear main seal is leaking too, so Jon will be replacing that when he does the oil pan gasket.. He said tonight it's running good though!!
I'll be heading to his shop tonight/tomorrow so more pictures will follow...
One thing I'm siked about is that I have blazing heat/defrost in the Charger now!!! :bow:
I think you're nuts not taking that motor to an engine builder and having them completely tear ot apart! :Twocents:
I'm not saying it won't happen, just not now. I'm seriously getting over-extended on this project. The motor passed several tests with flying colors and unless it grenades this Spring/Summer I'm going to take my chances with it. NEXT FALL is another story. We've already talked about pulling it for some 'modifications', so all I'm asking out of this (current build) motor is one season.
You know more about the status and finances of this project than I do of course, and I know you want to drive this thing in the summer, but don't count on it! And if that motor goes after you get the car on the road well you may not get to use it anyway when the weather warms. Happened to me!
Why? The car's about a week from heading to the paint shop where the rest of it will be stripped down to bare metal.. I've been told April is definitely in the books. Then I need a couple of weeks to finish up on the interior and voila.. The way I see it is the tough stuff is done. As for the motor going, I know exactly what you mean, but I'm going to have to take my chances with it and so far the people that've looked at it (and checked it out) say I'm good to go... If they end up being wrong, no sweat, I still have my other vehicles... Sure, I'll be bumming, but it will not cripple me..
While he has the pan off have him pull a few caps and inspect the bearings. Torque can be checked while in there also. Cheap insurance.... ;)
Quote from: Steve P. on January 30, 2009, 07:12:07 PM
While he has the pan off have him pull a few caps and inspect the bearings. Torque can be checked while in there also. Cheap insurance.... ;)
He mentioned checking a few things when the pan was off :cheers:
In a case like that, it's right there, in your face and (with this car) it'd be crazy NOT to
Quote from: jb666 on January 30, 2009, 06:49:19 PM
Quote from: joflaig on January 30, 2009, 06:45:44 PM
Quote from: jb666 on January 30, 2009, 06:40:55 PM
Quote from: joflaig on January 30, 2009, 06:36:26 PM
Quote from: jb666 on January 30, 2009, 05:35:56 PM
Tonight's update.. The rear main seal is leaking too, so Jon will be replacing that when he does the oil pan gasket.. He said tonight it's running good though!!
I'll be heading to his shop tonight/tomorrow so more pictures will follow...
One thing I'm siked about is that I have blazing heat/defrost in the Charger now!!! :bow:
I think you're nuts not taking that motor to an engine builder and having them completely tear ot apart! :Twocents:
I'm not saying it won't happen, just not now. I'm seriously getting over-extended on this project. The motor passed several tests with flying colors and unless it grenades this Spring/Summer I'm going to take my chances with it. NEXT FALL is another story. We've already talked about pulling it for some 'modifications', so all I'm asking out of this (current build) motor is one season.
You know more about the status and finances of this project than I do of course, and I know you want to drive this thing in the summer, but don't count on it! And if that motor goes after you get the car on the road well you may not get to use it anyway when the weather warms. Happened to me!
Why? The car's about a week from heading to the paint shop where the rest of it will be stripped down to bare metal.. I've been told April is definitely in the books. Then I need a couple of weeks to finish up on the interior and voila.. The way I see it is the tough stuff is done. As for the motor going, I know exactly what you mean, but I'm going to have to take my chances with it and so far the people that've looked at it (and checked it out) say I'm good to go... If they end up being wrong, no sweat, I still have my other vehicles... Sure, I'll be bumming, but it will not cripple me..
So you are having the entire body stripped and gutten and blasted and then painted and then re-asembled completely, interior, drivetrain and everything else ALL be April? If that's the plan, I'm skeptical.
Quote from: joflaig on January 30, 2009, 07:33:39 PM
Quote from: jb666 on January 30, 2009, 06:49:19 PM
Quote from: joflaig on January 30, 2009, 06:45:44 PM
Quote from: jb666 on January 30, 2009, 06:40:55 PM
Quote from: joflaig on January 30, 2009, 06:36:26 PM
Quote from: jb666 on January 30, 2009, 05:35:56 PM
Tonight's update.. The rear main seal is leaking too, so Jon will be replacing that when he does the oil pan gasket.. He said tonight it's running good though!!
I'll be heading to his shop tonight/tomorrow so more pictures will follow...
One thing I'm siked about is that I have blazing heat/defrost in the Charger now!!! :bow:
I think you're nuts not taking that motor to an engine builder and having them completely tear ot apart! :Twocents:
I'm not saying it won't happen, just not now. I'm seriously getting over-extended on this project. The motor passed several tests with flying colors and unless it grenades this Spring/Summer I'm going to take my chances with it. NEXT FALL is another story. We've already talked about pulling it for some 'modifications', so all I'm asking out of this (current build) motor is one season.
You know more about the status and finances of this project than I do of course, and I know you want to drive this thing in the summer, but don't count on it! And if that motor goes after you get the car on the road well you may not get to use it anyway when the weather warms. Happened to me!
Why? The car's about a week from heading to the paint shop where the rest of it will be stripped down to bare metal.. I've been told April is definitely in the books. Then I need a couple of weeks to finish up on the interior and voila.. The way I see it is the tough stuff is done. As for the motor going, I know exactly what you mean, but I'm going to have to take my chances with it and so far the people that've looked at it (and checked it out) say I'm good to go... If they end up being wrong, no sweat, I still have my other vehicles... Sure, I'll be bumming, but it will not cripple me..
So you are having the entire body stripped and gutten and blasted and then painted and then re-asembled completely, interior, drivetrain and everything else ALL be April? If that's the plan, I'm skeptical.
As Opie & Anthony would say, Are ya? :lol:
The drivetrain is done?? The interior?? Dynamat, seats and carpet?? No big deal.
My fabrication work is done. All weld work is done. This will be one of the easiest jobs in this guy's shop..
No worries.
There's no metal in my oil pan. He's going to pull a couple of bearings and check them. During the leakdown test the cylinders were only leaking 3-5%, which is REALLY good. The oil filter was cut open and was clean. He verified TDC and it was off 3.5 degrees. The best part is the block has no windows :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
If ANY of these things came up with negative results, trust me, this motor would be out.
I notice BK hasn't been lurking around since December 17, at least not under that username.
Quote from: jb666 on January 30, 2009, 05:35:56 PMOne thing I'm siked about is that I have blazing heat/defrost in the Charger now!!! :bow:
:2thumbs: Glad i could help! :2thumbs:
Quote from: Ghoste on January 30, 2009, 11:46:54 PM
I notice BK hasn't been lurking around since December 17, at least not under that username.
But I can almost guarantee you they are here.
Quote from: PocketThunder on January 31, 2009, 12:03:16 AM
Quote from: jb666 on January 30, 2009, 05:35:56 PMOne thing I'm siked about is that I have blazing heat/defrost in the Charger now!!! :bow:
:2thumbs: Glad i could help! :2thumbs:
Yes you did!!!!! The box you sent me was quickly disassembled, cleaned, blasted and painted (Sorry to Mickey & Minny for trashing their house). Another forum member send me the vent grill, the resistor and the heater controls, and I picked up a new heater core.. It looks like brand new under my dash!!! All for $100!!!!!!!
WOW.... Do you mean to tell me that their are good, decent parts out there available and for a good price?? ::) :D
Quote from: Steve P. on January 31, 2009, 01:58:53 PM
WOW.... Do you mean to tell me that their are good, decent parts out there available and for a good price?? ::) :D
Oh ABSOLUTELY, especially from members of this forum. They know what's good & bad. So far the 4 members I've bought parts from (here) the parts are A1!!!
I have some good pictures from today's visit... I'll have them up in a few.
Ok, if anyone's wondering why my oil pan was leaking after BK installed it, this should clear it up. There was so much Silicone used it was clumped up in the bottom of the oil pan and pcs were on the bottom of my pickup. (which was crooked, btw). Another GREAT install job :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
The pan bolts were cranked down SO TIGHT it killed the gasket and damaged the pan.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2371Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2372Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2373Medium.jpg)
This pc? Fell out in small pcs...
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2374Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2376Medium.jpg)
Now, on to the $600 "Hemi K Frame" that BK made a big deal of on their website... This is their picture...Nice huh?
(http://www.bkauto.net/media/images/GLg35.gif)
And this is what's ON my car. Nice clean cut, no jagged edges here..
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2378Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2379Medium.jpg)
Next... BK's quote: To keep the front wheels planted and steady, our friends at Firm Feel have fabricated us a set of heavy duty reinforced lower control arms.
Their picture:
(http://www.bkauto.net/media/images/GLg32.gif)
What's on my car:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2377Medium.jpg)
With the oil pan off it's time for some serious inspection...
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2380Medium.jpg)
The funny part is the rear seal was trashed.. A new Felpro Performance seal will go back in.
My new Strange rear end cover. The rear end checked out and is 100% perfect.. No BK gear swaps here, it's just as Strange shipped it.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2381Medium.jpg)
The lower Control arms were reinforced, I see that plate added on bottom, This area is wide open from the Factory. LEON.
Quote from: hemi-hampton on January 31, 2009, 02:29:19 PM
The lower Control arms were reinforced, I see that plate added on bottom, This area is wide open from the Factory. LEON.
Ok cool. I came here for reinforcement on this issue, I wanted to make sure these weren't factory with a pc welded to the bottom. So that looks like the picture BK said they installed?
HOLY COW!!!! They started off with a correct HEMI oil pan that came on the engine. Changed it, (NO NEED TO), to an aftermarket Milodon deep pan and mangled it. (Probably another part found in another car). TORCH CUT the crap out of the K-member. Never cleaned up the ragged edges, welded, primed or painted their INCREDIBLY LOUSY WORK "AND" if that isn't bad enough, posted a picture of a nice clean and freshly painted "K" to boot.............
Jeff, that HAS to be repaired. The K-member is absolute JUNK unless you trim and weld it back together PROPERLY. As it is that "K" will flex beyond the smallest bit of safety. It's a death trap as it sits....
The lower control arms have been plated and welded, BUT didn't they say they had Firm Feel do the work? FF would never have let them go down the road all bent up the way they are. My bet is they were ON the car when they got it and once again charged for something they did NOT do.
Sorry to say man, but that K has GOT to be repaired right or you will never be safe in that car... :brickwall:
Quote from: Steve P. on January 31, 2009, 03:26:54 PM
HOLY COW!!!! They started off with a correct HEMI oil pan that came on the engine. Changed it to an aftermarket Milodon deep pan. TORCH CUT the crap out of the K-member. Never cleaned up the ragged edges, welded, primed or painted their INCREDIBLY LOUSY WORK "AND" if that isn't bad enough, posted a picture of a nice clean and freshly painted "K" to boot.............
Jeff, that HAS to be repaired. The K-member is absolute JUNK unless you trim and weld it back together PROPERLY. As it is that "K" will flex beyond the smallest bit of safety. It's a death trap as it sits....
The lower control arms have been plated and welded, BUT didn't they say they had Firm Feel do the work? FF would never have let them go down the road all bent up the way they are. My bet is they were ON the car when they got it and once again charged for something they did NOT do.
Sorry to say man, but that K has GOT to be repaired right or you will never be safe in that car... :brickwall:
Yes, BK said they were FF units, that's why I posted them here. Jon believes they ARE NOT, because of the bends. I'm researching it now through FF. As for the K, it WILL be fixed.
:cheers: :cheers:
Jeff, do you have any pics. of the pan and member still as it came to you. If so I would love to see them. I know Jon IS the man for this repair. I just wonder how much or little room there was to the pan with BK's fire wrench art. :icon_smile_blackeye:
Quote from: Steve P. on January 31, 2009, 03:42:50 PM
Jeff, do you have any pics. of the pan and member still as it came to you. If so I would love to see them. I know Jon IS the man for this repair. I just wonder how much or little room there was to the pan with BK's fire wrench art. :icon_smile_blackeye:
Let me look. Most of my (pan) pictures were showing how much of an angle it was sitting at.. I'll be back.
I really don't have any... But I'll keep searching (I have thousands of pictures of this car already :brickwall: )
This is as close as I could find.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_5589Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_5587Medium.jpg)
:scratchchin: wonder why Bk cut a notch out the K frame :scratchchin: ..was going to say for oil pan clearance but i have the same pan on my 440 with no clearance issues :popcrn:
Quote from: tan top on January 31, 2009, 05:16:57 PM
:scratchchin: wonder why Bk cut a notch out the K frame :scratchchin: ..was going to say for oil pan clearance but i have the same pan on my 440 with no clearance issues :popcrn:
I'm not sure. Even looking at mine there doesn't appear to be any clearance issues. Either way they butchered a perfectly good K Frame.
...
Quote from: MoparManJim on January 31, 2009, 05:38:53 PM
I don't think they know what they are even doing on the vehicles them selfs. Because so far with this thread and the photos you have posted clearly shows that. :shruggy:
Clearly!!
And thanks to who ever pointed out that my lower control arm bumpstops were missing. I just ordered them!!
We found out today the idler arm had some mega slop.... So that's next on the chopping block.
Stevie Wonder, now theres a welder for you
Quote from: jb666 on January 31, 2009, 06:31:01 PM
And thanks to who ever pointed out that my lower control arm bumpstops were missing. I just ordered them!.
no probs :cheers: glad i could help in some way :2thumbs:
Quote from: moparnole on January 31, 2009, 06:41:13 PM
Stevie Wonder, now theres a welder for you
Hey man, I heard you been makin' jokes about Stevie Wonder...that sh@# ain't funny man. I suppose at the end of your little sketch Stevie crash into a tree right, haha very funny mo#$er f$^##r. Stevie's a musical genius, don't you never let me hear you do that sh#$ again. (in my best Eddie Murphy)
Quote from: mikepmcs on January 31, 2009, 06:50:24 PM
Quote from: moparnole on January 31, 2009, 06:41:13 PM
Stevie Wonder, now theres a welder for you
Hey man, I heard you been makin' jokes about Stevie Wonder...that sh@# ain't funny man. I suppose at the end of your little sketch Stevie crash into a tree right, haha very funny mo#$er f$^##r. Stevie's a musical genius, don't you never let me hear you do that sh#$ again. (in my best Eddie Murphy)
Thats some good stuff that will take ya back a ways!!!
I've seen them so I can vouch for that k frame and those LCA's. They even painted the k frame while it was still warm after the torch job. It actually shows up better with Jeff's camera.
Why did they change oil pans again?
LCA's are all banged up as well. Can't be new stuff with the amount the car was in operation.
Quote from: mikepmcs on January 31, 2009, 06:58:47 PM
I've seen them so I can vouch for that k frame and those LCA's. They even painted the k frame while it was still warm after the torch job. It actually shows up better with Jeff's camera.
Why did they change oil pans again?
LCA's are all banged up as well. Can't be new stuff with the amount the car was in operation.
They changed the oil pan because (and this is a direct Thomas quote) "Mopar Performance installed the wrong pickup in, so while they were there they decided to put the larger pan on".
How would they KNOW they put the wrong pickup in the motor without opening it up!?!??!?! :brickwall:
As for the pictures, I brought my good camera out for these shots.. I wanted detail to show the hack cut/torch job they did.
Ok, that's what I thought. I bet they changed the pan because they couldn't hack the k frame enough to make it work with the original pan and then decided to put that deep sump on there because it cleared everything and they didn't have to cut anymore.
Quote from: mikepmcs on January 31, 2009, 07:03:36 PM
Ok, that's what I thought. I bet they changed the pan because they couldn't hack the k frame enough to make it work with the original pan and then decided to put that deep sump on there because it cleared everything and they didn't have to cut anymore.
I'm sure... Funny because the silicone was being sucked into the sump anyways. It was gobbed in the bottom of the pan.
Has anyone filed a criminal complaint with your stated Dept. of motor vehicles or dept. of automotive repair ? To sell or repair vehicles for monetary compensation, the company is required to adhere to strict state and federal laws in regards to their business license ! It sounds like I am hearing that they are selling vehicles that are misrepresented, unsafe and are falsifying legal documents, That alone WILL bring serious state AND federal criminal charges against them, AND furthermore, If these misrepresented vehicles that they certify cause injury or death , then someone WILL go to prison and face a steep lawsuit along with that. You would be able to go against the legal owners of the company as well as individual employees who did the work and or signed off on that work. Food for thought guys ( gals) If it were me, They had done this to, they had better know where osama bin laden was because they would need to move in with him to slow me down from finding them and I would find them, i can tell you that ! Nothing angers me more than someone ripping you guys off and risking the lives of you and your families if that so called safe car fell apart on the freeway. :patrol: :think:
Quote from: model maker on January 31, 2009, 08:25:51 PM
Has anyone filed a criminal complaint with your stated Dept. of motor vehicles or dept. of automotive repair ? To sell or repair vehicles for monetary compensation, the company is required to adhere to strict state and federal laws in regards to their business license ! It sounds like I am hearing that they are selling vehicles that are misrepresented, unsafe and are falsifying legal documents, That alone WILL bring serious state AND federal criminal charges against them, AND furthermore, If these misrepresented vehicles that they certify cause injury or death , then someone WILL go to prison and face a steep lawsuit along with that. You would be able to go against the legal owners of the company as well as individual employees who did the work and or signed off on that work. Food for thought guys ( gals) If it were me, They had done this to, they had better know where osama bin laden was because they would need to move in with him to slow me down from finding them and I would find them, i can tell you that ! Nothing angers me more than someone ripping you guys off and risking the lives of you and your families if that so called safe car fell apart on the freeway. :patrol: :think:
:scratchchin: Me thinks you have not read the entire thread.
Quote from: model maker on January 31, 2009, 08:25:51 PM
Has anyone filed a criminal complaint with your stated Dept. of motor vehicles or dept. of automotive repair ? To sell or repair vehicles for monetary compensation, the company is required to adhere to strict state and federal laws in regards to their business license ! It sounds like I am hearing that they are selling vehicles that are misrepresented, unsafe and are falsifying legal documents, That alone WILL bring serious state AND federal criminal charges against them, AND furthermore, If these misrepresented vehicles that they certify cause injury or death , then someone WILL go to prison and face a steep lawsuit along with that. You would be able to go against the legal owners of the company as well as individual employees who did the work and or signed off on that work. Food for thought guys ( gals) If it were me, They had done this to, they had better know where osama bin laden was because they would need to move in with him to slow me down from finding them and I would find them, i can tell you that ! Nothing angers me more than someone ripping you guys off and risking the lives of you and your families if that so called safe car fell apart on the freeway. :patrol: :think:
Hi -- Yes on all counts. I don't blame you for not flipping through the entire thread, but the short answer is
yes...
Good, I hope you guys get some justice, how long have you been fighting this ?
Quote from: model maker on January 31, 2009, 09:09:03 PM
Good, I hope you guys get some justice, how long have you been fighting this ?
Basically since the beginning of this thread... But aggressively in the past 4-5 weeks.
I wish you guys all the best ! I will be watching this closely. These jerks have got to be stopped and payback is over due. Like I said, THEY NEED TO BE MADE EXAMPLES OF to make others who think, they can do this to people and get away with it think again ! I have confidence that you guys will prevail ! :2thumbs:
Quote from: model maker on January 31, 2009, 09:23:52 PM
I wish you guys all the best ! I will be watching this closely. These jerks have got to be stopped and payback is over due. Like I said, THEY NEED TO BE MADE EXAMPLES OF to make others who think, they can do this to people and get away with it think again ! I have confidence that you guys will prevail ! :2thumbs:
Thank you. They've been given MULTIPLE opportunities to save face. I've offered to pay for ALL materials in trade for them paying the LABOR bill.. But apparently I've been compared to a terrorist holding someone for ransom. :brickwall:
:cheers: Hey guys, Chuck here. :icon_smile_big: Yes we are going to do our best to make an example of them. I can't say what I've done lately as I'm still waiting for updates, but I will say that I'm doing what needs to be done and so is Jeff. :yesnod: Thanks for all the support, advice and opinions. A company like this is not just bad for the customer, they are bad for everyone. Chuck..............
Quote from: skip68 on January 31, 2009, 09:43:31 PM
:cheers: Hey guys, Chuck here. :icon_smile_big: Yes we are going to do our best to make an example of them. I can't say what I've done lately as I'm still waiting for updates, but I will say that I'm doing what needs to be done and so is Jeff. :yesnod: Thanks for all the support, advice and opinions. A company like this is not just bad for the customer, they are bad for everyone. Chuck..............
VERY well put. :cheers:
After reading many of Jeff's posts and all the advice people on this forum gave you on those posts before buying a charger, I find it hard to believe you did not see all the rust this car had loading it, is that you under the back of your car in this pic? Pic from this forum by the way. Was not all those holes you posted pics of visible? That car looked like swiss cheese in your pics. I know you have stated you where blinded by this car but that much? Sorry to be a first post slammer
Quote from: RTpsyco on January 31, 2009, 11:18:04 PM
After reading many of Jeff's posts and all the advice people on this forum gave you on those posts before buying a charger, I find it hard to believe you did not see all the rust this car had loading it, is that you under the back of your car in this pic? Pic from this forum by the way. Was not all those holes you posted pics of visible? That car looked like swiss cheese in your pics. I know you have stated you where blinded by this car but that much? Sorry to be a first post slammer
That is/was not me under the car, and no, I was blinded by the orange paint and decals...
Sometimes I wish we could put a clause on this thread that you are only allowed to post in it if you have been reading it from the very beginning. ::)
Wonderful first contribution to the thread. :2thumbs: ::)
Quote from: RTpsyco on January 31, 2009, 11:18:04 PM
After reading many of Jeff's posts and all the advice people on this forum gave you on those posts before buying a charger, I find it hard to believe you did not see all the rust this car had loading it, is that you under the back of your car in this pic? Pic from this forum by the way. Was not all those holes you posted pics of visible? That car looked like swiss cheese in your pics. I know you have stated you where blinded by this car but that much? Sorry to be a first post slammer
Odd question, but where (in this thread) was that picture posted?? :popcrn:
Quote from: General_01 on January 31, 2009, 11:26:44 PM
Sometimes I wish we could put a clause on this thread that you are only allowed to post in it if you have been reading it from the very beginning. ::)
Wonderful first contribution to the thread. :2thumbs: ::)
Agreed.
1 of your old posts
have read tread and more on this
so must be brian under car hard to say he didnt see rust at that point
Quote from: RTpsyco on January 31, 2009, 11:41:53 PM
1 of your old posts
have read tread and more on this
so must be brian under car hard to say he didnt see rust at that point
So you have read thread and more? So you must have seen that what you brought up has been brought up and answered already. Did you think the answer changed?
You wouldn't happen to live in Texas, would you? :scratchchin:
general_01 go back under your bridge
What difference does it make if they saw it or not? :shruggy: BK DID NOT PROVIDE THE CAR AS AGREED IN THE CONTRACT.
Quote from: RTpsyco on January 31, 2009, 11:18:04 PM
After reading many of Jeff's posts and all the advice people on this forum gave you on those posts before buying a charger, I find it hard to believe you did not see all the rust this car had loading it, is that you under the back of your car in this pic? Pic from this forum by the way. Was not all those holes you posted pics of visible? That car looked like swiss cheese in your pics. I know you have stated you where blinded by this car but that much? Sorry to be a first post slammer
All I can say is that even the most sound thinkers can succumb to blind faith in a seller, and even blinder faith in an old car's outer, visible condition.
When we bought our Charger this is what I experienced:
1. Not enough time to really look the car over as we were on our way home from vacation. (Found it on a lot on the side of the road.)
2. Car was too far away to come back and fine-tooth it, and my bodyman was not with me.
3. The fear of the car being sold out from underneath me (not rational, but it happened.)
4. Impulse buying! Must...have...Charger!
5. Scarcity! (I'm never going to find a deal like this--ever!
6. Anxious to leave: kids tired, wife threatening me, wanted to sit down, blah blah blah.
7. Seller didn't voluntarily reveal the big problem with the car.
8. Seller
hid problematic areas due to --greed?
9. Ended up not being as nice of a car.
10.Ultimately paid too much for car.
Bottom line is we didn't get what we paid for, because the seller was deceptive.
Quote from: RTpsyco on January 31, 2009, 11:54:47 PM
general_01 go back under your bridge
Just wondering why people who "claim" to have read thread consider it neccessary to bring up questions asked and answered in the first 5 pages. It just gets very repetitive answereing the same questions over and over. You are not the first person to come to the board, claim to have read the thread, and then within their first 5 posts find it neccessary to enthrall us all with their "educated" opinion on the subject. I will say that you own the record since it was your very first post.
I don't care if the buyer is dumb and blind, young or old, man or woman or rich or poor. This is very very clear what is going on here. Buyer beware only goes so far. When you have invoices and contracts that are not matching what was sold, you have a problem.
If anyone is wondering, RTpsyco is an alias for Captsim. Some people think they are so sneaky. :eyes: Please don't feed the trolls.
Just a friendly reminder, multiple accounts are forbidden and a quick way to get yourself banned.
Troy
Quote from: Troy on February 01, 2009, 12:12:10 AM
If anyone is wondering, RTpsyco is an alias for Captsim. Some people think they are so sneaky. :eyes: Please don't feed the trolls.
Just a friendly reminder, multiple accounts are forbidden and a quick way to get yourself banned.
Troy
:hah: :hah: :hah: :hah:
Quote from: skip68 on February 01, 2009, 12:01:17 AM
What difference does it make if they saw it or not? :shruggy: BK DID NOT PROVIDE THE CAR AS AGREED IN THE CONTRACT.
I'm just trying to figure out how someone can load a rusty pos on a trailer and not see its a rusty pos by the pics posted after on the forum. And by the way the original gl roll bar was exhaust pipe with padding fyi. Also the first clue this car was crap is the rear corners on the quarters. No seams from quarter to valance. as seen in this pic from this forum of jeffs car. It's hard to believe all you pros missed that.
I know all this is going to be deleted but shame on all of you hear for steering jeff to this car. I've read the posts and know the whole story...not just what has been posted here.
:cheers: Thanks Troy. :2thumbs:
Well, I guess your not much of a car guy either Captnism. Maybe next time you'll bring somebody with that knows fenders. :D
;)
Quote from: RTpsyco on February 01, 2009, 12:17:06 AM
Quote from: skip68 on February 01, 2009, 12:01:17 AM
What difference does it make if they saw it or not? :shruggy: BK DID NOT PROVIDE THE CAR AS AGREED IN THE CONTRACT.
I'm just trying to figure out how someone can load a rusty pos on a trailer and not see its a rusty pos by the pics posted after on the forum. And by the way the original gl roll bar was exhaust pipe with padding fyi. Also the first clue this car was crap is the rear corners on the quarters. No seams from quarter to valance. as seen in this pic from this forum of jeffs car. It's hard to believe all you pros missed that.
Well mr know it all, you are also wrong on the roll bar to a certian point :smilielol:, the close up ones did have exhaust tubing. But the first General Lee (Lee1) did have a real roll bar cage in him! :lol: . If you don't know your Dukes it was the General in the first episode that had chrome rocker panels that did the jump over Rosco's polica car towards the end of that episode. The first jump at the start of the episode was Lee2.
Jeffs car was not as mention by the contract that the other guy also order from BK. So it's some what of a fruad case when you look at it and also the dash tag was played with as while and didn't match what Jeff had.
;)
That is a good question Chuck. Apparently, he has nothing to say now. :scratchchin:
;)
I'm not complaining about the parts price. I complaned about getting their and finding more rust then was pictured. Even though I asked for Pics of ALL the rust. Jeff stated to me that all the bad parts where shown in the earlyer posted pics and that his where better then the one on eBay that he sent a link to me of and posted here...one on eBay may be dented but appear to be fairly rust free. Then low and behold Jeff posts all those wonderful pics showing ALL the rust after the fact...
But you took them anyway ? Is that true ?
Wow. I have just read all 75 pages in the space of a few hours, And I have to say I really feel for ya man. I cant imagine the amount of stress this has caused you.
These guys are obviously crooks, and based off the pictures of the kid welding in tshirt and shorts (as well as the welds themselves) it was his first time welding too. GMAW is not hard, I really cant see how he could have made that kind of mess of it - unless it was his first time and the machine wasnt set right.
Anyway, good luck with the rest of your resto and legal stuff too. Il post a link on www.NZmoparforum.com after dinner to help spread the word.
If you want to continue this pm me
So you are complaining that you saw the fenders were crap, but liked the price. Got there, they were crappier than described, you say nothing to his face or try to negotiate, pay for them and leave. Come to a board and complain. That is OK to do.
Jeff goes and looks at a car, does not see all the things wrong, gets home, finds things wrong that are SAFETY ISSUES and not readily visible like fenders that are off the car, seller says car is first rate restoration(I bet Jeff didn't say the fenders were mint), comes to a board and complains. But he got what he deserved.
I do not follow your logic, and apparently you can't talk to anyone in the open as you want to discuss in private now.
I think you should just go away weasel.
I didn't complain till he posted the pics I asked for after the fact...do you just pick out the things you want to see??? Try reading everything...
I read everything. My point is that your problem is about what you say, but you decide to get back at Jeff by posting rubbish. That is my definition of a weasel. A backstabber if you will. Did you say anything at all about how the fenders look worse than the pics showed? Did you say anything about there is more rust then he let on while you were there? Did you even wonder why he had a front clip priced cheaper than a fender on Ebay would go for?
I would understand you posting that you drove as far as you did and didn't buy the fenders because Jeff didn't show all that is wrong and he wasted your time. Might be legitimate beef. But you looked and still bought, but post crap like " Is this you under the car" as if to say Jeff got what he deserved.
I wish all people could be as perfect as you.
And since its obviously just a ploy to derail the thread hopefully the moderators will do another cleanup.
I'm sure they will. Good points there General. :2thumbs:
I knew that was not Jeff under the car. I was hoping he would say oh that's Brian...Hooking up the rusty rear of the car so Jeff can't see how rusty it is. You all keep pushing the fender thing by rubbing it in...Do you think I'm not going to respond. Yes I told Jeff the Fenders where worse then I thought. But the price was fair. I've never denied that. It was the lack of disclosure that bothered me. He knew their was rust that was not shown or told to me even though I asked, then posted pics after the deal was done. After all he has been through you would think he would avoid this at all costs...
:scratchchin: What is your honest opinion of BK Automotive captnsim ?
I've stated this five or six times...BK AUTO...They are the worst, most horrible, butchers of the cars I love. They are the scum of the earth, The biggest flushable turds I've seen. They give honest car guys a bad name. Calling what they do work should be a crime. I hope Jeff puts them through a wringer twice. But hey thats just my opinion and here that don't mean a thing.
We don't need to share the same opinions. You have every right as I or anyone else here to speak your opinion. We just need to share the same goal in this matter. :yesnod:
Quote from: captnsim on February 01, 2009, 02:17:31 AM
I knew that was not Jeff under the car. I was hoping he would say oh that's Brian...Hooking up the rusty rear of the car so Jeff can't see how rusty it is. You all keep pushing the fender thing by rubbing it in...Do you think I'm not going to respond. Yes I told Jeff the Fenders where worse then I thought. But the price was fair. I've never denied that. It was the lack of disclosure that bothered me. He knew their was rust that was not shown or told to me even though I asked, then posted pics after the deal was done. After all he has been through you would think he would avoid this at all costs...
This will be it for me. I still think you went about it all wrong.
Thank you Andrew for spreading the word. :cheers:
After some of your pm's to me general_01 I know you think I'm wrong
A good idea would be to save this entire thread , transfer it to a disc and have it transcribed for legal purposes in order to keep all of the facts from the first few days when the problem started fresh so small details can be recalled easier and attorneys etc. can read for themselves the nightmare you are experiencing. I made it a point to spend the last couple of hours reading from page 1 and i would be surprised if i am able to sleep tonite from what i read and how they think they can actually get away with this. :RantExplode:
Bert
Thanks Bert. :cheers:
Me Too, i am dozing at the keyboard time to fall asleep thinking about nice, clean, healthy chargers and imagining that i could have any one of them I wanted. the wife asks me why i am smiling in my sleep. :2thumbs: :cheers:
Geeze!! I go to bed early and wake up to 2+ new pages!!
Quote from: model maker on February 01, 2009, 03:14:20 AM
A good idea would be to save this entire thread , transfer it to a disc and have it transcribed for legal purposes in order to keep all of the facts from the first few days when the problem started fresh so small details can be recalled easier and attorneys etc. can read for themselves the nightmare you are experiencing. I made it a point to spend the last couple of hours reading from page 1 and i would be surprised if i am able to sleep tonite from what i read and how they think they can actually get away with this. :RantExplode:
Bert
I've got MOST of it saved, but I'll talk to one of the admins about getting a copy of this thread into a DOC file if it's possible. Thanks for taking the time to read the entire thread!!
Quote from: captnsim on February 01, 2009, 02:51:36 AM
After some of your pm's to me general_01 I know you think I'm wrong
I'm not saying you are WRONG about some of the things you're saying, just about the way you're saying it. Attacking me, personally, won't change this situation and why I/We are here. :cheers:
Quote from: Ghoste on February 01, 2009, 02:11:08 AM
And since its obviously just a ploy to derail the thread hopefully the moderators will do another cleanup.
Exactly, I hope so too. I've said it a lot here, but I want this to stay on track for it's true meaning here, which has a lot of value to other people out there looking to buy.
Quote from: captnsim on February 01, 2009, 02:30:07 AM
I've stated this five or six times...BK AUTO...They are the worst, most horrible, butchers of the cars I love. They are the scum of the earth, The biggest flushable turds I've seen. They give honest car guys a bad name. Calling what they do work should be a crime. I hope Jeff puts them through a wringer twice. But hey thats just my opinion and here that don't mean a thing.
Correct me if I'm wrong here, but isn't that what we've ALL been saying?? :shruggy:
Agreed! Too much.
Steve, do your thang. Including my Eddie Murphy derail a couple pages ago and now this one, damnit, I can't stop getting off topic. What time is the Super Bowl...gotta get he food cooked...house cleaned.....
Hope everyone has a pleasant day. :cheers:
Jeff, how's the measurement search for the graphic locations coming on the DVD's? :icon_smile_big:
Mike
Geez, 3 pages in a day. If you read the thread from the start Jeff freely admits any of the mistakes other members have pointed out. The point here is not to bash him. BUT I do agree with one comment made by someone in the last few pages, which is that if you bother reading previous threads I think that while some warned him about obvious things like HLPAG, a lot of others ended up helping to stoke him up. Somebody comes here the first time looking for a car and since we're all enthusiasts we try and help. My point is (and maybe after this thread the problem is solved) that we should not always be super-cheerleaders in these cases, but advise people with a lot of detailed caution. That's not the kind of advice I saw Jeff getting before he got this car. He was into modern Vettes and not classic mopars. This horrow-show was another member's car, and if I recall other members (not blaming anyone) had steered him to it. Of course, just one member knowing another member has a car for sale doesn't make them an expert on it's condition. Clearly, just because you belong to this forum, trustworthy does it make you not.
Quote from: Stanleyart on February 01, 2009, 12:08:09 AM
Quote from: RTpsyco on January 31, 2009, 11:18:04 PM
After reading many of Jeff's posts and all the advice people on this forum gave you on those posts before buying a charger, I find it hard to believe you did not see all the rust this car had loading it, is that you under the back of your car in this pic? Pic from this forum by the way. Was not all those holes you posted pics of visible? That car looked like swiss cheese in your pics. I know you have stated you where blinded by this car but that much? Sorry to be a first post slammer
All I can say is that even the most sound thinkers can succumb to blind faith in a seller, and even blinder faith in an old car's outer, visible condition.
When we bought our Charger this is what I experienced:
1. Not enough time to really look the car over as we were on our way home from vacation. (Found it on a lot on the side of the road.)
2. Car was too far away to come back and fine-tooth it, and my bodyman was not with me.
3. The fear of the car being sold out from underneath me (not rational, but it happened.)
4. Impulse buying! Must...have...Charger!
5. Scarcity! (I'm never going to find a deal like this--ever!
6. Anxious to leave: kids tired, wife threatening me, wanted to sit down, blah blah blah.
7. Seller didn't voluntarily reveal the big problem with the car.
8. Seller hid problematic areas due to --greed?
9. Ended up not being as nice of a car.
10.Ultimately paid too much for car.
Bottom line is we didn't get what we paid for, because the seller was deceptive.
If I didn't know any better I'd say those 10 points were written by me. Almost all of those points exist. We drove down in the middle of the night, met at Brian's house at 6AM, loaded the car and split.
First, Brian claimed he had made a 10 mile trip down the road to a gas station, where the car got "lots of attention", even a state police officer that wanted his picture with the car. BUT, the morning we were loading the car on the trailer he couldn't keep it running longer then 20 seconds (which I found out later was because the air/fuel mixture screws were cranked all the way in on the carb). So how did he drive it anywhere unless he was gas/braking it the entire trip. Not a lot of fun.
Second, at this hour of the morning, the last thing I wanted to do (in a congested neighborhood) was keep it running any longer than it had to. It's louder than Hell. I should have been more concerned about MY well being then that of his neighbor's (sleep).
Here's a video of Brian trying to get the car on the trailer.. You can see/hear for yourself. This was at 6AM. The funny thing is here's proof there were never "working" reverse lights on this car. It took close to 20 minutes to get the car from his garage to the trailer.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/th_103_5533.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/?action=view¤t=103_5533.flv)
And here I think it stalled 4-5X just trying to get it on the trailer. If you listen , you can hear the crickets.. It may have been BEFORE 6AM. I remember waking Brian up because we arrived early.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/th_103_5534.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/?action=view¤t=103_5534.flv)
And here's how it ran after about 15 minutes of carb tuning.. When I went to the front of the car you can still see the BK tags on the inner fenders. This was taken the morning after we got home..
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/th_103_5561-1.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/?action=view¤t=103_5561-1.flv)
And finally, the same morning, when it went to my buddy's shop to be checked out on the lift (where it stayed for 3 weeks, right before it went to Jon's). It's never been back to my house since...
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/th_103_5579-1.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/?action=view¤t=103_5579-1.flv)
I like the sound, what mufflers you have on there?
I think that I'm going to go from the start of this and write down each post number that needs to be put in a new file so when we are done it will be very easy to fallow. ;)
Quote from: Back N Black on February 01, 2009, 11:57:11 AM
I like the sound, what mufflers you have on there?
Flowmaster 40 series w X-pipe. Here's an earlier picture that shows the setup... (PRE-any work being done on the car)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_5584Medium.jpg)
Quote from: skip68 on February 01, 2009, 12:01:47 PM
I think that I'm going to go from the start of this and write down each post number that needs to be put in a new file so when we are done it will be very easy to fallow. ;)
That's a good idea. I've also asked Troy if this thread can be exported as a DOC file.
I think I would be more worried about the dog............feed that rail :shruggy:
Quote from: The70RT on February 01, 2009, 12:29:29 PM
I think I would be more worried about the dog............feed that rail :shruggy:
What dog???? If my puppy was in the picture somewhere, that's funny.. At that time she was an 11 week old 3 lb American Eskimo Toy. She's supposed to be small :lol:
Quote from: jb666 on February 01, 2009, 12:47:21 PM
Quote from: The70RT on February 01, 2009, 12:29:29 PM
I think I would be more worried about the dog............feed that rail :shruggy:
What dog???? If my puppy was in the picture somewhere, that's funny.. At that time she was an 11 week old 3 lb American Eskimo Toy. She's supposed to be small :lol:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_5162Medium.jpg)
No JB...... not that cute little thing. captnsim's dog. His avatar.
Quote from: The70RT on February 01, 2009, 12:52:08 PM
Quote from: jb666 on February 01, 2009, 12:47:21 PM
Quote from: The70RT on February 01, 2009, 12:29:29 PM
I think I would be more worried about the dog............feed that rail :shruggy:
What dog???? If my puppy was in the picture somewhere, that's funny.. At that time she was an 11 week old 3 lb American Eskimo Toy. She's supposed to be small :lol:
No JB...... not that cute little thing. captnsim's dog. His avatar.
Oh, OOPS!! I thought my new puppy made it into one of the videos..
That's a Italian Greyhound. She has a open bowl, food in it all the time...eats all she wants...She is supposed to be skinny but thanks for the concern.
I got the same Flowmasters & it is way to loud on the inside of car. But I got the H Pipe & heard the X Pipe helps reduce this so may have to Switch. I wonder if this is true though, I need a ride in a flowmaster car with X pipes to see if I can hear the Radio or not? LEON. :scratchchin:
Quote from: hemi-hampton on February 01, 2009, 01:47:41 PM
I got the same Flowmasters & it is way to loud on the inside of car. But I got the H Pipe & heard the X Pipe helps reduce this so may have to Switch. I wonder if this is true though, I need a ride in a flowmaster car with X pipes to see if I can hear the Radio or not? LEON. :scratchchin:
Well, THE ONLY RIDE I TOOK in the car I couldn't hear myself think inside the car. It was horrible. The resonance was crazy around 2500 RPMS. I remember trying to make a call to the wife and she said "Where ARE YOU, the airport?!?!"
BUT, I have 3 full Dynamat bulk packs and jute padding that will be under my carpeting.. I'll be dynamat'ng the car head to toe, front to back, so THAT should help.
I went with the pypes exhaust violator series....loud but resonance isnt bad and i have neither an x or a h pipe (got bigger things to worry about then that with the car :D ). Heres a video, they have gotten a tad louder after being broken in (think the fiberglass kinda settles but who knows). There almost a straight through muffler. They have a straight threw design with baffles on the pipe (kinda looks like a cheese grader), so they should preform better then the flowmasters.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKxQuMaDIEQ
dynamat is amazing. even when i run open headers, with the windows up it isnt bad at all. closed headers its real quiet. 3" X pipes.
Quote from: RTpsyco on February 01, 2009, 12:22:42 AM
I know all this is going to be deleted but shame on all of you hear for steering jeff to this car. I've read the posts and know the whole story...not just what has been posted here.
Sorry, I just saw this now.. I'm not blaming anyone here for steering me towards this car.. I'm the one who ultimately made the decision to load it on a trailer and drive home (primarily because there was NO WAY I was driving 10-12 hours home with an empty trailer...). BK MADE SURE that the images all users, including Brian saw made the car look like it could have been put into a massive car show and win hands down.
One thing I still TO THIS DATE to not understand... Brian.. Why the HELL wouldn't you buy a plane ticket and fly to Texas?? You shelled $70+K ... SEVENTY THOUSAND DOLLARS... into a car you never saw? Just kept sending checks?? Why not spend $200 on a ticket, fly out one day, fly back the same?!?!?! This STILL blows my mind... AND GOD KNOWS I'm not one to be throwing stones here, because I bought this thing too based primarily off of website images (which also sold others on the fact that this was THE CAR TO BUY), but I certainly didn't spend more than $70k on the rolling wreck (yet, anyways :smilielol: )
That's the only answer I want.. Wouldn't ANY OF YOU have bought a ticket and taken a day out of your schedules at least once through this "build"??
Quote from: SFRT on February 01, 2009, 02:21:15 PM
dynamat is amazing. even when i run open headers, with the windows up it isnt bad at all. closed headers its real quiet. 3" X pipes.
Yes, it is. I have my SuperDuty Dynamat'd from head to toe because of the audio/video equipment I'm running and it's amazing.. Sound stays in, road noise stays out. Plus where it's a diesel it REALLY quiets things down.
Quote from: FLG on February 01, 2009, 02:18:27 PM
I went with the pypes exhaust violator series....loud but resonance isnt bad and i have neither an x or a h pipe (got bigger things to worry about then that with the car :D ). Heres a video, they have gotten a tad louder after being broken in (think the fiberglass kinda settles but who knows). There almost a straight through muffler. They have a straight threw design with baffles on the pipe (kinda looks like a cheese grader), so they should preform better then the flowmasters.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKxQuMaDIEQ
Car sounds good!! I've heard lots about Pypes lately but have never owned one of their setups.. I've never been a HUGE fan of Flowmaster because of the resonance, but this car (to me) sounds awesome.
Quote from: jb666 on February 01, 2009, 04:19:00 PM
That's the only answer I want.. Wouldn't ANY OF YOU have bought a ticket and taken a day out of your schedules at least once through this "build"??
Absotively, posolutley :icon_smile_big: and multiple times at that IF I were in that situation. This just makes me even happier that I'm able to do all this myself so I know it's done right the first time :2thumbs:
I know it's been said several times BlueSS454 and that's something I think that should keep being posted as a tip for others to help them if they have a car built or buy one out of state. :2thumbs: In this case, we are dealing with a shop that's lied several times and are in my opinion thieves. I don't know if Brian going there would have made any difference at all. :rotz: They would have just lied and showed him some other car or parts. :yesnod:
Quote from: skip68 on February 02, 2009, 01:21:24 AM
I know it's been said several times BlueSS454 and that's something I think that should keep being posted as a tip for others to help them if they have a car built or buy one out of state. :2thumbs: In this case, we are dealing with a shop that's lied several times and are in my opinion thieves. I don't know if Brian going there would have made any difference at all. :rotz: They would have just lied and showed him some other car or parts. :yesnod:
Which is what some other shops have done in the past. You show up, they show you a nice car loaded with new parts. When you take delivery of your car it's something totally different than what you saw.. It's pretty sad that just because you're in another state people feel they can rip you off with no repercussions. Well, hopefully this will change that way of thinking for BK Auto.
I hope that this week we have some good news. :yesnod:
If I've misjudged the situation, I apologize in advance. But, after reflecting on this thread, it sure seems to me that Brian porked you (after getting porked himself by BK) but now you want BK to pay you. At the start of the thread, you seemed anything but opportunistic. However, as this thread and the problems with the car have unfolded, you sure seem like you're loooking for blood from BK (particularly Chuck, who seems to be foaming at the mouth sometimes in his vaguely Black Ops way).
Shame on BK for hacking the car to the point of unsafety & misrepresenting it to Brian - no doubt there. But, if you wouldn't mind, could you please explain how BK owes you anything compensation-wise?
Color me confused...
Neal
Quote from: Neal_J on February 02, 2009, 02:12:42 PM
If I've misjudged the situation, I apologize in advance. But, after reflecting on this thread, it sure seems to me that Brian porked you (after getting porked himself by BK) but now you want BK to pay you. At the start of the thread, you seemed anything but opportunistic. However, as this thread and the problems with the car have unfolded, you sure seem like you're loooking for blood from BK (particularly Chuck, who seems to be foaming at the mouth sometimes in his vaguely Black Ops way).
Shame on BK for hacking the car to the point of unsafety & misrepresenting it to Brian - no doubt there. But, if you wouldn't mind, could you please explain how BK owes you anything compensation-wise?
Color me confused...
Neal
Jeffs not looking for any compensation other then the satisfaction of making sure BK auto can never do this to anyone else. BK did offer Jeff some hush money...which Jeff refused.
Quote from: Neal_J on February 02, 2009, 02:12:42 PM
But, if you wouldn't mind, could you please explain how BK owes you anything compensation-wise?
Color me confused...
Neal
Neal, my point here is NOT to get compensation from from BK Auto, it's to open other people's eyes to this company. What they build is complete crap and they charge a FORTUNE for it. The point that I would "expect compensation" started after BK Auto justified this build by saying Brian "Got what he paid for", which is another load of crap.
I don't care if I get one red cent out of this, the car will still be re-built the same way --- THE RIGHT WAY. The only way BK could have saved their reputation would have been to step up and say "Ok, we screwed up here.. BAD, we'll take care of your labor bill!".
I NEVER ONCE said that I wanted to be compensated for materials AND labor. I've got thousands into materials alone, as you can imagine.
Now, take this entire thread, and it's contents into consideration. Remember who's name tag was on this car and who came on here saying the car was built right and Brian was cheap and then ask why you think any of this repair $ should come from BK? $70k was spent on a car that needed $20k+ in REPAIRS to make it safe to drive.
Quote from: captnsim on February 02, 2009, 02:34:15 PM
Quote from: Neal_J on February 02, 2009, 02:12:42 PM
If I've misjudged the situation, I apologize in advance. But, after reflecting on this thread, it sure seems to me that Brian porked you (after getting porked himself by BK) but now you want BK to pay you. At the start of the thread, you seemed anything but opportunistic. However, as this thread and the problems with the car have unfolded, you sure seem like you're loooking for blood from BK (particularly Chuck, who seems to be foaming at the mouth sometimes in his vaguely Black Ops way).
Shame on BK for hacking the car to the point of unsafety & misrepresenting it to Brian - no doubt there. But, if you wouldn't mind, could you please explain how BK owes you anything compensation-wise?
Color me confused...
Neal
Jeffs not looking for any compensation other then the satisfaction of making sure BK auto can never do this to anyone else. BK did offer Jeff some hush money...which Jeff refused.
Exactly. If all I wanted was a "quick buck" out of this deal I would have taken BK's money & run with it. It's NOT what this is about.
Sorry guys, I just had to modify what I said before. Captnsim is right. For right now, we just need to expose them.
One other thing I wanted to add is this... I'll sleep GREAT when this car is done whether I've sunk all of my own $$ into it or if something ends up coming out of this.
Can BK say the same? PROBABLY, because they've shown no remorse.. But the moral of the story is I AM NOT GREEDY, I am not looking to profit from this car/job. If I was EITHER of those things I'd be screwed already!!! :lol:
Quote from: jb666 on January 31, 2009, 09:26:07 PM
I've offered to pay for ALL materials in trade for them paying the LABOR bill. :brickwall:
Above is your request for compensation which I referenced previously and you sorta repeated above. I'm sure you've paid a considerable sum for labor (both to date and to come) to correct BK's many errors. To me, you're actively seeking compensation/reimbursement for that labor cost from BK (although I suppose we could quibble as to the semantics of whether reimbursement equals compensation - to me it does). In any event, I still don't see why they would have any financial obligation to you since they sold the car to Brian, regardless how how amateruish and unprofessional their work was. Morally, it's a different story, but that's the way I personally roll.
You've made the point many, many times over that BK's work is pure crap. But I guess if proving that point that was your only goal, this thread would have been done 20 pages ago. Just, my two cents, amigo...
Neal
PS - I hope your efforts shut them down permanently. Progress on the car has been fun to watch.
I don't think I'm foaming at the mouth. :shruggy: I'm just helping Jeff do this because he asked me to and I want to. This will help so many people that don't know cars but want them, to know what to look for and what to avoid. This seems to be a growing trend and it is really sad. Thanks Neal. Proving the facts is one thing I agree 100%. Stopping them is another. :cheers:
This thread might have been done 20 pages ago if every single corner we rounded with this car didn't unveil a new problem. EVERY SINGLE ITEM that BK touched on this car is garbage and every day/week there's another "UH-OH" phone call from the shop.
And if you made something and actually cared about your name wouldn't you OFFER to help make it right? Let's say I have $7k into materials and $12k into labor, at this point, am I being unreasonable asking for labor and not everything? This car still represents what they do and is a rolling advertisement for their name.
And please, let me stress again, I DO NOT CARE EITHER WAY if I get a dime out of this. Sure, I've mentioned it many times, but it IS NOT my end goal. My end goal is to make sure they do not sell another car.
Jb, I hobe you have good luck with this car, so far it is Bad Karma.
Quote from: BIRD67 on February 02, 2009, 03:08:38 PM
Jb, I hobe you have good luck with this car, so far it is Bad Karma.
Lemme tell you I am SO HAPPY knowing this car is being built right. Every time I go to the shop to check out the progress I leave there siked knowing that some day soon it'll be at home in my garage and will NEVER be a problem like it is now.. By all rights it'll be a new car by the time it's back. THAT ALONE is keeping me going!!
Also in the beginning I think Jeff was just trying to show BK how bad their work was...in case they didn't know. And to get them to admit their mistake, rectify it through admition, and hopfully change the way they do business. As Bk's emails have shown...this is not to be. So Jeff was forced through his good conscious to go the route he has from that point. And how can this tread end without that goal being fulfilled to what ever conclusion? If I'm wrong please correct me Jeff.
Quote from: captnsim on February 02, 2009, 03:14:10 PM
Also in the beginning I think Jeff was just trying to show BK how bad their work was...in case they didn't know. And to get them to admit their mistake, rectify it through admition, and hopfully change the way they do business. As Bk's emails have shown...this is not to be. So Jeff was forced through his good conscious to go the route he has from that point. And how can this tread end without that goal being fulfilled to what ever conclusion? If I'm wrong please correct me Jeff.
You wrote this as if you were reading my mind.
WELL SAID!!! I don't disagree with a single point in your post. I have LOADS of emails you guys haven't seen from BK. All justifying everything done to this car.
Quote from: skip68 on February 02, 2009, 02:58:23 PM
I don't think I'm foaming at the mouth. :shruggy:
Absolutely no offense intended, Chuck. I just equate red text, unusually/unnecessarily large fonts, flaming smilies and vague threats of eminent doom to BK as foaming at the mouth. Just my perception, I guess.
I hope you're succcessul. I'd sure like to see some results.
Neal
Quote from: Neal_J on February 02, 2009, 03:22:23 PM
Quote from: skip68 on February 02, 2009, 02:58:23 PM
I don't think I'm foaming at the mouth. :shruggy:
Absolutely no offense intended, Chuck. I just equate red text, unusually/unnecessarily large fonts, flaming smilies and vague threats of eminent doom to BK as foaming at the mouth. Just my perception, I guess.
I hope you're succcessul. I'd sure like to see some results.
Neal
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: Now THAT'S funny.
Watch it Neal...I hear Chuck can kill with a smiley... :o
:smilielol: I can see what you mean Neal. :cheers: I'm not that bad. :icon_smile_big: :scratchchin: :icon_smile_big:
Quote from: captnsim on February 02, 2009, 03:31:03 PM
Watch it Neal...I hear Chuck can kill with a smiley... :o
How do you think he landed LISA?? ;)
Sorrry... Back on track.
Quote from: Steve P. on February 02, 2009, 03:36:39 PM
Quote from: captnsim on February 02, 2009, 03:31:03 PM
Watch it Neal...I hear Chuck can kill with a smiley... :o
How do you think he landed LISA?? ;)
Sorrry... Back on track.
:smilielol: :smilielol: he had me at hello
I don't want Chuck to get a bad rap here.. Never have I seen a person dedicate so much of his time to someone that he's never met and expect nothing in return. The guy might just have to get the 2009 DodgeCharger.com Man Of The Year award!!!
Guys, sometimes reality and the perceptions of others can differ. Especially in writing, like email or forum posts. But there's no hate here. Based on the posts in this thread, my perception was/is that Jeff was out for some $$$ from BK and Chuck was out for one or more vital organs. I think reality for each of you is a bit different than my perceptions.
We're cool. Please don't hurt me Chuck, OK?
Peace,
Neal
Quote from: Neal_J on February 02, 2009, 03:42:08 PM
Guys, sometimes reality and the perceptions of others can differ. Especially in writing, like email or forum posts. But there's no hate here. My perception was/is that Jeff was out for some $$$ from BK and Chuck was out for one or more vital organs from BK I think reality for each of you is a bit different than my perceptions. We're cool, please don't hurt me Chuck, OK?
Peace,
Neal
Cool.. I'm glad we cleared that up. :yesnod: :slap: ... Oh, wait.. Sorry, I'll leave that up to Chuck.
Seriously, I'm very fond of my liver and spleen...
We're cool, right Chuck? Buddy??
Here's a smiley for you ---> ;)
Neal
;)
Trust me Neal...I know all about differing opinion's. :cheers:
OK, here's three for you, Chuckles: :cheers: :drool5: :pity:
Now we're Friends with Benefits. Incidentally, can I borrow $10?
Back on track starting....NOW! FU*K BK AUTOMOTIVE!
Neal
;)
;)
I think we all agree that this car was a death trap but I don't see that from the pics and the video I think that goes along way to explaining how easy it is to be ripped off by someone who has gone out of there way to decieve and hide any faults.
It's only a couple of years ago it would have been me the only difference was the GL owner let slip that the car had been given a police Vin and with more prodding it was discoved the car was originally a small block car with no fender tag either.
cheers
Quote from: skip68 on February 02, 2009, 03:56:14 PMCan I send a check ? ;)
Send Lisa. She's a looker!~
Neal
Quote from: d/ur/t on February 02, 2009, 04:41:52 PM
I think we all agree that this car was a death trap but I don't see that from the pics and the video I think that goes along way to explaining how easy it is to be ripped off by someone who has gone out of there way to deceive and hide any faults.
cheers
There IS the point..
;)
OK, Jeff and fellow Charger brothers, I got an email update from Texas about 45 minutes ago. :2thumbs: I'll send you a pm Jeff. I can say that things are moving in the right direction and, man, this sucks that I can't really say much and I have to watch what I say. :brickwall: I'm sorry but I can't word this correctly and not let out what's going on. So all I can say is we are one step closer. Sorry guys.
Quote from: Steve P. on February 02, 2009, 04:59:17 PM
Quote from: d/ur/t on February 02, 2009, 04:41:52 PM
I think we all agree that this car was a death trap but I don't see that from the pics and the video I think that goes along way to explaining how easy it is to be ripped off by someone who has gone out of there way to deceive and hide any faults.
cheers
There IS the point..
This sums it up just as nicely.
(http://www.yuwantitwhen.com/blog/wp-content/images/train_wreck1.jpg)
I just talked to Jon...
THE CAR IS READY TO GO TO THE PAINT SHOP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It almost doesn't seem like it's possible, but it's ready!!
The engine's been checked out (through the pan) and everything's fine. The rear main seal's been replaced. There's a new oil pan gasket. He found a nightmare of a "flare fitting" holding one of the tranny lines (pictures later). It's not leaking a drop and the K-Frame's all better (Re-welded, cleaned up and painted!!)
I'll be heading to the shop tomorrow night after work to meet the paint shop owner and watch it drive away on the back of a flatbed!!!
Quote from: jb666 on February 02, 2009, 06:17:41 PM
I just talked to Jon...
THE CAR IS READY TO GO TO THE PAINT SHOP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It almost doesn't seem like it's possible, but it's ready!!
Ya know, with all the talk on this board about how long it takes to not only find a good body shop, but then actually get them to work on the car?!. You must be related to Merlin...
Its freaking amazing that you got the car and within what seems like hours got someone to take it in and go to town! I wonder if it wouldn't be worth it to some folks to buy a piece of crap and take it in the backside for a tad just to get the restoration work shifted into Ludicrous speed! :shruggy: :icon_smile_big:
Quote from: bakerhillpins on February 02, 2009, 06:43:10 PM
Quote from: jb666 on February 02, 2009, 06:17:41 PM
I just talked to Jon...
THE CAR IS READY TO GO TO THE PAINT SHOP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It almost doesn't seem like it's possible, but it's ready!!
Ya know, with all the talk on this board about how long it takes to not only find a good body shop, but then actually get them to work on the car?!. You must be related to Merlin...
Its freaking amazing that you got the car and within what seems like hours got someone to take it in and go to town! I wonder if it wouldn't be worth it to some folks to buy a piece of crap and take it in the backside for a tad just to get the restoration work shifted into Ludicrous speed! :shruggy: :icon_smile_big:
:lol: It only seems that way.. Here's the cliff notes version.
Brought the car home at the end of August.
The next morning I brought it to my buddy Manny's (mechanic) shop where it sat for 3-4 weeks being mechanically checked out and repaired.
Brought the car home from Manny's for all of a night when I called Jon and asked him if he could do a "simple job and install a roll bar".
The rest is history. It's been at Jon's since around 11/10/2008 give or take a few days. I got Jon at the right time. He's ALWAYS got a ton going on, but he found the time to make sure my car was done right. I am thankful he could fit me in like he did!!
That's why I'm optimistic about the paint shop being done by Spring (well, April..) so I can finish the interior at my house.
:2thumbs: I think we are at a point in this game that from here on out things are going to be in our favor. At least I sure hope so.
Quote from: jb666 on February 02, 2009, 05:58:38 PM
Quote from: Steve P. on February 02, 2009, 04:59:17 PM
Quote from: d/ur/t on February 02, 2009, 04:41:52 PM
I think we all agree that this car was a death trap but I don't see that from the pics and the video I think that goes along way to explaining how easy it is to be ripped off by someone who has gone out of there way to deceive and hide any faults.
cheers
There IS the point..
This sums it up just as nicely.
(http://www.yuwantitwhen.com/blog/wp-content/images/train_wreck1.jpg)
Hmmmmm.... Those rails made out of FG/bondo? jk :slap:
Yes, it was the BK Express.
Time for paint! :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo:
Glad the car is coming along.
As for my opinion on the subject of money, what's it hurt to try? They built a POS and justify their great work by deflecting blame onto their "cheap buyers who can't afford having the job right".
The end goal is to shut these people down. If Jeff and past customers can get compensated as well, that is icing on the cake. I think it would be great if that happens.
BK's hero
Quote from: jb666 on February 02, 2009, 05:58:38 PM
Quote from: Steve P. on February 02, 2009, 04:59:17 PM
Quote from: d/ur/t on February 02, 2009, 04:41:52 PM
I think we all agree that this car was a death trap but I don't see that from the pics and the video I think that goes along way to explaining how easy it is to be ripped off by someone who has gone out of there way to deceive and hide any faults.
cheers
There IS the point..
This sums it up just as nicely.
(http://www.yuwantitwhen.com/blog/wp-content/images/train_wreck1.jpg)
Did BK Auto do those
Train Rails?edit: oppsie doosie, I didn't read all the way to the bottom.
BK'S new GL project... :eek2: I think he's having a hard time with the body lines...
Looks like they are getting ready to make a Clay mold or Clay Prototype :scratchchin: LEON.
Great news on the charger, CONGRATULATIONS :2thumbs: Bk should not only be shut down ( they would probably reopen under a new alias & probably already have and called themselves BK this time in my opinion) they should be forced to refund ALL profits made on their dangerous, misrepresented cars, be criminally punished by the state and Federal authorities who Handle automotive fraud issues Your state Dept. Of Motor Vehicles. and after that is all said and done, do some REAL jail time and I do mean TIME. they have absolutely no remorse :icon_smile_angry: :flame: and need to FEEL the heavy hand of justice that will rock them into reality, and then be placed in a large room full of all of the people they did this to and then someone locks the door. $70 Grand is just to much money for this to happen to someone who just wanted the car of their dreams, Multiply that by how many other people this has been done to. GO GET EM !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :2thumbs:
Here they are advertizing their " SUPER SOLID CHARGERS" there should be a law ! :flame:
http://www.autabuy.com/Vehicles/Details.cfm?VID=269442&Year=1969&Make=DODGE&Model=CHARGER
and yet another look at all of those chargers with orange paint :brickwall:
http://www.autabuy.com/Vehicles/Details.cfm?VID=189670&Year=1969&Make=DODGE&Model=CHARGER
IN Fact, they have several adds running on that upscale auto trading buyer/seller paper. this looks like someone different.
http://www.autabuy.com/Vehicles/Details.cfm?VID=108865&Year=1969&Make=DODGE&Model=CHARGER
Here is the main page, type in what you are looking for and where you live. They sure make the cars sound good that they sell as general Lees, they get themselves mixed in with reputable people and hide there ready to strike like a snake In my opinion !!
http://www.autabuy.com/Vehicles/QuickSearch.cfm?SearchText=69+dodge+charger&FromQuickSearch=1&zip=89403&SearchButton=Search
You had me all excited here, thinking BK was advertising cars out there, but I think you're mixing up HLPAG and BK Auto. They are both hacks, but different companies. :lol:
;)
Quote from: skip68 on February 03, 2009, 10:34:52 AM
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Dodge-Charger-1969-Dodge-Charger-General-Lee-CUSTOMIZE-FREE-SHIP_W0QQitemZ280308317909QQihZ018QQcategoryZ6199QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
:scratchchin: :scratchchin:
Bullsharkmarketing :lol: and one old feedback but give me 15K to get started.
The phone number is Terre Haute, IN according to whitepages reverse lookup, but the garage doors are open and one guy is in shirt sleeves. While there are no leaves on the tree in the pass. side pic with the reflection, it could be an old pic, or it could be sunny TEXAS. :shruggy:
Quote from: dstryr on February 03, 2009, 11:35:41 AM
The phone number is Terre Haute, IN according to whitepages reverse lookup, but the garage doors are open and one guy is in shirt sleeves. While there are no leaves on the tree in the pass. side pic with the reflection, it could be an old pic, or it could be sunny TEXAS. :shruggy:
You know what's funny is someone (in another thread) recognized this photo as the outside of HLPAG's building.
(http://i.ebayimg.com/07/!BLttBtgCGk~$(KGrHgoOKi0EjlLmWv+IBJg)Geh!Fg~~_1.JPG)
I got an email from this guy this morning asking if I'm still interested in a General Lee, and if so send him $15k and he'll get started :shruggy: :lol:
I got great news this morning, but I'll post more on it later after the ink is dry.
Is the great news from your shop or is it about the phone call I got? :naughty:
BOTH, actually, but the news I was referring to hear was from my shop.
If all is good then with the car, can you repost the V.I.N. tag and fender tag? :2thumbs:
It sure looks like the KITT with all the stickers says bkautomotive.com, or something along those lines
Quote from: teamroth on February 03, 2009, 04:55:27 PM
It sure looks like the KITT with all the stickers says bkautomotive.com, or something along those lines
I checked the links.. Which picture are you talking about?? :shruggy:
Quote from: skip68 on February 03, 2009, 10:34:52 AM
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Dodge-Charger-1969-Dodge-Charger-General-Lee-CUSTOMIZE-FREE-SHIP_W0QQitemZ280308317909QQihZ018QQcategoryZ6199QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
:scratchchin: :scratchchin:
"Client is liquidating product. $10,000-$15,000 cheaper than competition for same quality product."
If that is BK Auto, you can get the car for free now. :lol:
Quote from: General_01 on February 03, 2009, 05:12:51 PM
Quote from: skip68 on February 03, 2009, 10:34:52 AM
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Dodge-Charger-1969-Dodge-Charger-General-Lee-CUSTOMIZE-FREE-SHIP_W0QQitemZ280308317909QQihZ018QQcategoryZ6199QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
:scratchchin: :scratchchin:
"Client is liquidating product. $10,000-$15,000 cheaper than competition for same quality product."
If that is BK Auto, you can get the car for free now. :lol:
BullSharkMarketing :smilielol: :smilielol:
Funny thing is I got this email earlier. Check it out. KNIGHT Customs? :slap:
From: KnightCustoms07@aol.com
Date: February 2, 2009 11:49:55 PM EST
To: jbaker666@comcast.net
Subject: Please write back
Hello Jeff Are you still interested ina General Lee for $23,000 shipped? $15,000 down we can have one done by June please let me know thank you very much.
www.innovativeautodesign.com
Now.. I haven't been in the market for a GL since last August. I don't ever recall asking for one for $23k shipped, and the best part is the person knows my name.. Who knows, maybe I DID contact someone last year, but it just seems odd.
Sounds like our good buddy Hans. :smilielol:
can they put an 01 on this? or better yet can they mix this in the bondo so they can really say what the car is made up of?
skips86?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1969-DODGE-CHARGER-440ci-4-SPD-GENERAL-LEE_W0QQitemZ160313680598QQihZ006QQcategoryZ6199QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem#ht_4539wt_960
;)
Quote from: 472 R/T SE on February 03, 2009, 05:36:39 PM
skips86?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1969-DODGE-CHARGER-440ci-4-SPD-GENERAL-LEE_W0QQitemZ160313680598QQihZ006QQcategoryZ6199QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem#ht_4539wt_960
:smilielol: I'll make a sweeeeet deal to the first 5 callers. :smilielol: :rofl:
Is this outfit in the link above Bk under another name ? How many places are claiming to make "good" General lees ? and for $23,000.00 what do you get ???
Quote from: skip68 on February 03, 2009, 05:37:13 PM
I spoke with Arron from the number on ebay. He knows BK and mentioned the $70k car. :scratchchin: He said his dad is Gary Cooper the Nascar driver and that they build these cars. He knows HLPAG to. He said they have a surplus of 9 Dodge Chargers now. :scratchchin: I asked about who the client was in the add that says "Client is liquidating" and he said that it was himself. :slap: :shruggy: Very strange.
Ok, so the email was on the up & up?
Quote from: autodynamics on February 03, 2009, 05:34:15 PM
can they put an 01 on this?
you get this with a roll bar and push bar
Hey Moderators, Can we delete all the HLPAG stuff and any other unrelated junk (mine included) from this thread? We have 2 new very important guest reading this. Thank you. Chuck...............
Who is KNIGHT Customs and are they above board or not ?
Jeff,
Whatever happened to the webpage you was going to set up? Seems that would be the best place for people needing to see "just the facts" to view this topic.
Quote from: model maker on February 03, 2009, 06:21:00 PM
Who is KNIGHT Customs and are they above board or not ?
I got an email from them last night.....
Quote from: captnsim on February 03, 2009, 06:29:27 PM
Jeff,
Whatever happened to the webpage you was going to set up? Seems that would be the best place for people needing to see "just the facts" to view this topic.
I own several domain names, but I've been advised to "hold off" for another couple of weeks.
I understand. Their must be quite a few legality's to hosting a web page verses a thread like this that is just opinion based on facts.
Quote from: jb666 on February 03, 2009, 05:02:43 PM
Quote from: teamroth on February 03, 2009, 04:55:27 PM
It sure looks like the KITT with all the stickers says bkautomotive.com, or something along those lines
I checked the links.. Which picture are you talking about?? :shruggy:
I can't blow it up clearly enough to tell, but right along the front looks like there logo.
Thats a Knights replica car...not BK auto, aka Black Knight automotive
BK auto is Black Knight automotive.
Quote from: teamroth on February 03, 2009, 06:54:11 PM
Quote from: jb666 on February 03, 2009, 05:02:43 PM
Quote from: teamroth on February 03, 2009, 04:55:27 PM
It sure looks like the KITT with all the stickers says bkautomotive.com, or something along those lines
I checked the links.. Which picture are you talking about?? :shruggy:
I can't blow it up clearly enough to tell, but right along the front looks like there logo.
I just did blow it up, it has a K outline on it but no Bs though.
I blew it up too, but it was too blurry to make out. Just my guess though as the ebay profile/ad looks very sketchy.
;)
Chuck, I trust your hunch...lol
I called the guy in Indiana myself. It was near impossible to get any information from the OWNER as he really didn't know anything about the cars. He gave me prices and SAID they don't start with rusted out junk, but couldn't tell me anything other than prices..
If this guy is not new he is a scammer. If he IS new, he is trying to do the impossible. You decide.
Simply put, I surely hope that anyone thinking about dropping ANY amount of money on ANY car reads this thread first and uses their BEST judgment before buying anything.
This guy sounds like the guy in Indiana that used to run under the name of Tuner Dynamics. I did some checking a while back and found out they were much like BK. I have heard since that a different person bought Turner Dynamics out and was doing things right, but I think it might be a name change to save his business. Tuner Dynamics would advertise on E-bay to build GLs. It all seemed very fishy to me, but Tuner Dynamics where from Terre Haute, IN. Several complaints came up about the same kind of "new" parts BK and Tuner were using on the rebuilds. Terre Haute, IN is no metropolis and I find it extremely hard to believe that more than one MOPAR specialty shop would be in the same town. My experience has been most of Indiana is not a huge MOPAR state. I might be wrong, but so far its alot of Chevy or Ford, little mopar. My guess is its the same guys, different name. just my :Twocents:
Knights replica deals only with "knight rider replica's...NO affiliation with BK auto...Who is in some form...now Black Knight Automotive. Hence the "aka". Sorry for any confusion...Just trying to show how someone could mistake the two....
KnightCustoms is run by Darrin Cooper. That KITT replica was built by Rob Lousiell of Michigan. It was used in the Fireball Run race. I can't say if their cars are top notch but they are better than BK Auto.
Cool, I'm not saying anything about anyone else, but i know there are a few guys who had KITT's built by BK that are none too happy.
Quote from: teamroth on February 03, 2009, 11:31:20 PM
Cool, I'm not saying anything about anyone else, but i know there are a few guys who had KITT's built by BK that are none too happy.
that's an understatement :lol:
Well, today is a good day!! The car left Jon's shop and headed to the body shop.
I just talked to the shop owner, who told me not to bother getting a template for the flag/lettering that he's going to paint on the car. When I asked him why, he said "Because I started peeling the flag on the roof and it came off and took the paint down to the primer. The same with the "General Lee" and the "01" on the doors" :lol: I'm not surprised, but for once, something BK butched actually made life easier!! So now I have a full roof flag and all decals hanging on the side of a paint booth waiting to be traced.. :2thumbs:
In a weird way I'm kind of bummed it left Jon's shop, it was a good filler for all of those boring days to go check out his discoveries!!
So onward and upward... :cheers: :cheers:
Cheers Jeff! good news. Once you get the car back, you'll have plenty of filler for thedskow days. How long do they think it will be in for paint? Maybe I'm getting ahead, but I would see completion before April no?
Quote from: teamroth on February 04, 2009, 12:44:47 PM
Cheers Jeff! good news. Once you get the car back, you'll have plenty of filler for thedskow days. How long do they think it will be in for paint? Maybe I'm getting ahead, but I would see completion before April no?
Yes, April is the due date, unless something REALLY unexpected pops up, and where BK Auto is concerned, the word SHOCK is never ruled out.
And yes, I already have a nice collection of filler.. Luckily, that's all gone from the car, now it's time to shine!! I've got my (old) rear quarters hanging on my garage wall. So far 3 people have seen them and said "WHO DID THAT?????????". :lol:
Quote from: jb666 on February 04, 2009, 12:37:39 PM
I just talked to the shop owner, who told me not to bother getting a template for the flag/lettering that he's going to paint on the car. When I asked him why, he said "Because I started peeling the flag on the roof and it came off and took the paint down to the primer. The same with the "General Lee" and the "01" on the doors"
I'm concerned about the General Lee script itself. Yours is different than LEE 1(fat vs skinny) It's your choice anyway, as I have the skinny for the mere fact it was for John's GL when they had the shootout in california. It was a gift so I put it on. Then again you could always get the measurements for the other script from the dvd's(the one's I brought down to you) if you slow it way down or screen capture. Just a thought.
Mike
Quote from: mikepmcs on February 04, 2009, 05:27:12 PM
Quote from: jb666 on February 04, 2009, 12:37:39 PM
I just talked to the shop owner, who told me not to bother getting a template for the flag/lettering that he's going to paint on the car. When I asked him why, he said "Because I started peeling the flag on the roof and it came off and took the paint down to the primer. The same with the "General Lee" and the "01" on the doors"
I'm concerned about the General Lee script itself. Yours is different than LEE 1(fat vs skinny) It's your choice anyway, as I have the skinny for the mere fact it was for John's GL when they had the shootout in california. It was a gift so I put it on. Then again you could always get the measurements for the other script from the dvd's if you slow it way down or screen capture. Just a thought.
Mike
I had 3 seperate paint jobs for the flag and two for the letters on my GL. The first was what came with it when I bought the car. The flag was the wrong dimensions, colors and incorrect in placement. The letters were decals. I got some stencils/templates for the painter to use off eBay. They turned out to be again the wrong dimensions and totally inaccurate. The letters were also wrong, squashed together in fact. So after they re-painted the flag and letters (after wiping out the previous paint job) using these stencils I had to have them redo the whole thing over again. This second time I got the flag decal from Phoenix Graphics (who provided the decals for that last movie) and the letters ("Georgia" style) from a member at CGLF. From these decals the painter made stencils for painting. I also gave him many detailed photos of other GLs, which would help them get the position of the painted flag and letters in relation to each other and other parts of the car exactly right. CGLF members can give you more specifics to give to the painter. For instance, the correct colors to use, the distance of the front edge of the flag to the windshield trim and the back edge to the rear window trim, etc.
I strongly advise you provide your painter with many detailed pics and from many angles as well as measurements an color names. And if possible, when they lay down the stencils be there before they shoot the paint to make sure everything looks right.
As you can see once you decide to have these things painted on it will cost thousands to have it redone as opposed to using just the decals. Of course, you can't beat the look of a well done paint job, IMO.
:popcrn: Soon, :popcrn: very soon. The clock is ticking Jeff. What do you think will be done first ? The car or BK ?
My guess, from previous experience is the CAR will be done first. We all know that certain legal things can be handled quickly, but others take time. I think (if BK survives this) this will be a thorn in their side for a long time to come. Plus the 26X48" poster I plan on having made up for my "BK DISPLAY" for this summer's car shows will tell quite the story.
As for the lettering, guys.. I know where you're coming from. I'm happy with the style that's on my car now. It's VERY close to the series lettering, and to be totally honest with you here, I'm not looking for "identical".
Quote from: jb666 on February 05, 2009, 11:26:54 AM
As for the lettering, guys.. I know where you're coming from. I'm happy with the style that's on my car now. It's VERY close to the series lettering, and to be totally honest with you here, I'm not looking for "identical".
That's fine. My GL is highly customized to my own taste and not a pure replica by any means EXCEPT for the color of the car, flag, lettering and the 01(s). BUT, I still advise that if you have a personal vision for how you want it turn out you do everything possible to relate this to the painter with as much detail as possible. They cannot read your mind. And like I said to redo it when you go the painted route is extremly expensive. I'm only advising caution because I learned this stuff by making these mistakes.
;)
Quote from: joflaig on February 05, 2009, 11:56:02 AM
Quote from: jb666 on February 05, 2009, 11:26:54 AM
As for the lettering, guys.. I know where you're coming from. I'm happy with the style that's on my car now. It's VERY close to the series lettering, and to be totally honest with you here, I'm not looking for "identical".
That's fine. My GL is highly customized to my own taste and not a pure replica by any means EXCEPT for the color of the car, flag, lettering and the 01(s). BUT, I still advise that if you have a personal vision for how you want it turn out you do everything possible to relate this to the painter with as much detail as possible. They cannot read your mind. And like I said to redo it when you go the painted route is extremly expensive. I'm only advising caution because I learned this stuff by making these mistakes.
Oh I did.. we've had a couple of meetings and a very long phone conversation.. There's no miscommunication here. Also, I'm going to be stopping in once a week to get my load of pictures for my records and my new display I'm building..
That's just what I'm doing though, having this done for ME. Everything from the position of the seats to the relocation of the shifter is geared to my exact preference.. This car isn't going anywhere when it's done and I want it done right the first time. :cheers: :cheers:
Quote from: skip68 on February 05, 2009, 12:18:41 PM
:yesnod: What he said. I took several pictures with me to give the graphic guys so they could get it close as possible. They taped the pictures to my car and went from there.
Fortunately, they already have my graphics off the car.. I want to use the size/position of my current layout (minus the peeling, cracking and overspray). :yesnod:
;)
Quote from: skip68 on February 05, 2009, 12:43:24 PM
This may sound funny but, hows your horn ?
It wasn't working right until Jon rewired the entire car, now it's great!! Why do you ask?
;)
Quote from: skip68 on February 05, 2009, 12:50:50 PM
Just wondering. If it seems slow you can oil it. This seems to be a problem with them. :2thumbs:
Mine's brand new, I bought it and had Jon install because he was already going through everything, but I saw the slot in the bottom of the motor where you can oil and keep it going good.
And again, the hits just keep on coming..
There's very little "original" (BK) metal left on this car (roof/doors/sills/rockers/upper quarters/trunk lid). Well, the body shop just called with some bad news...
First, they said the paint was prepped so poorly they were able to razor blade EVERY BIT of the Orange paint right off the car. Second, while grinding the primer off the car they discovered that BK simply skim coated Bondo over the ENTIRE CAR to cover rust pits. Well, as you know, if you leave rust pits in metal they will eventually surface. Primer doesn't kill/stop rust. So now the entire car (what's left of BK's work) needs to be blasted. It'll be brought to a shop tomorrow (with any luck) and will be taken care of, and then will go back to the body shop to begin again...
Quote from: jb666 on February 05, 2009, 03:37:26 PM
And again, the hits just keep on coming..
There's very little "original" (BK) metal left on this car (roof/doors/sills/rockers/upper quarters/trunk lid). Well, the body shop just called with some bad news...
First, they said the paint was prepped so poorly they were able to razor blade EVERY BIT of the Orange paint right off the car. Second, while grinding the primer off the car they discovered that BK simply skim coated Bondo over the ENTIRE CAR to cover rust pits. Well, as you know, if you leave rust pits in metal they will eventually surface. Primer doesn't kill/stop rust. So now the entire car (what's left of BK's work) needs to be blasted. It'll be brought to a shop tomorrow (with any luck) and will be taken care of, and then will go back to the body shop to begin again...
Wha' di? Ahhhh... :rotz:
Damn.... :rotz:
Yeah, I know. When he first called he said "I was hoping to be the guy that could call you with GOOD news once in a while, but I'm sorry, I can't".
I half expected this stuff to happen.. All goes to show what kind of prep work these hack shops really do. He said by the looks of the metal, the car sat outside for years with no paint, and instead of blasting the car (which he agrees there is NO WAY this car ever saw any type of blasting) they just ground the rust down and coated it with Bondo..
Quote from: jb666 on February 05, 2009, 03:37:26 PM
And again, the hits just keep on coming..
There's very little "original" (BK) metal left on this car (roof/doors/sills/rockers/upper quarters/trunk lid). Well, the body shop just called with some bad news...
First, they said the paint was prepped so poorly they were able to razor blade EVERY BIT of the Orange paint right off the car. Second, while grinding the primer off the car they discovered that BK simply skim coated Bondo over the ENTIRE CAR to cover rust pits. Well, as you know, if you leave rust pits in metal they will eventually surface. Primer doesn't kill/stop rust. So now the entire car (what's left of BK's work) needs to be blasted. It'll be brought to a shop tomorrow (with any luck) and will be taken care of, and then will go back to the body shop to begin again...
damn ...sorry to hear this :yesnod: , but not really supprised as they have not done anything else properly on the car .so why should the other panels be any different :flame: ..... more time & money though but ..at least you know whats under the rest of the paint now , at least you know now nothing is going to come bubbling though the paint at a later date :yesnod:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nvuEw9XcuU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nvuEw9XcuU)
I think this pretty much sums it up!
:o
:shruggy:
Come on man,don't feel bad. It's all good!! The cars in great hands (again) and will be done right. :cheers:
Well Jeff this is how I see it...
BK's car started out one big SNAFU. Situation normal all f'd up.
Then went to TARFU. Things are really f'd up.
To a full blown FUBAR. F'd up beyond all reconition.
At this point the natural reaction is to BOHICA. Bend over-here it comes again.
But we all know that the TIQ/BIQ is in for a surprise. We know your not OBE Jeff
and are going to KATN
Figured I'd let you guy's mull the last ones over...
Man... :rotz: :rotz:
I'm surprised Bk hasn't had a "electrical fire" based on how they build customer cars.
Best of luck to you. I hope it comes out as a total thorn for BK. :yesnod:
That's terrible, but I'm sure nobody here is really shocked. At least the entire body will end up being in truly restored condition. THIS WILL COST A FORTUNE NOW!
So what's the new "go live/launch" date? Still April or no commitments by your contractors on that score?
Still April. The shop doing the blasting is local and can take it quick. It'll be a fun job since this is a rolling driving car but oh well.
Quote from: jb666 on February 05, 2009, 06:56:00 PM
Still April. The shop doing the blasting is local and can take it quick. It'll be a fun job since this is a rolling driving car but oh well.
But the cost of not only the body work is going way up but the paint work as well. Painting a car properly that has been blasted and the body work properly readied can run into the tens of thousands easily. Adding in the custom painted graphics (flag, lettering, 01(s), will really bump it up.
The cost of the entire project has been worked out and no, blasting is not adding THAT much tithe cost. Pretty surprising, actually. This shop is no stranger to work like this.
Quote from: joflaig on February 05, 2009, 06:58:04 PM
Quote from: jb666 on February 05, 2009, 06:56:00 PM
Still April. The shop doing the blasting is local and can take it quick. It'll be a fun job since this is a rolling driving car but oh well.
But the cost of not only the body work is going way up but the paint work as well. Painting a car properly that has been blasted and the body work properly readied can run into the tens of thousands easily. Adding in the custom painted graphics (flag, lettering, 01(s), will really bump it up.
I was replying from my IPhone earlier, so I can elaborate a bit more now. These are all local (known) shops working with each other. I'm lucky in one aspect that I'm able to squeeze into busy/jammed up shops and get work done right away. I already know what the blasting is adding to the price and it's nothing like what you're thinking. Think about it, it's only part of my roof, the doors and the sills/lower rockers being blasted. No front end/rear end, so it's not that big a deal. As for painting a care that's been blasted, this shop is known for building/painting cars that will shows like the World Of Wheels, so I'm confident of it's outcome.
I am well aware that IF I WANTED TO I could spend $30k on this paint job.. But I'm not doing that. This car is going to be something I want to ENJOY driving, not being afraid of every ride that I'll get a chip in the paint.. It will look AWESOME but it will not live in a bubble.. (Like my Vette!!!!!). It ruined the 'fun' of the car when I went balls out having it painted. It's barely left the garage since it was painted!!!!!!
That is a bummer. :rotz: Like you said though, at least you will know it is done right in the end. Keep your head up and keep moving forward. This car will rock when it is done. :2thumbs:
Quote from: General_01 on February 05, 2009, 07:35:44 PM
That is a bummer. :rotz: Like you said though, at least you will know it is done right in the end. Keep your head up and keep moving forward. This car will rock when it is done. :2thumbs:
Oh, it is a bummer, but I am keeping my head up.. This is the light at the end of the tunnel and I'm RUNNING for it..
:rotz:
Quote from: skip68 on February 05, 2009, 07:44:07 PM
:rotz: Sorry Jeff. I knew this was coming. :rotz: But that's ok, you and I know other things are coming too. :naughty: So just think about that. ;)
Ohhhhhhhhhhhh yes they are. That you can take to the bank!!
Now, out of respect to the owner of this car I won't post too many pictures of this car (I don't have any outside of a trailer!!) , but the shop painting my car painted this car last year and it won the World Of Wheels 2008 "Best of Paint"/Best of show award. This car, in person, is absolutely awesome.
It's a bit dusty here, but you get the idea...
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2201Medium-1.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2204Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2199Medium-1.jpg)
Man that looks sweeeeeet. :drool5: For a Ford. You are going to have so much fun driving the General that you will forget about the Vette. :yesnod: I can't wait to see it finished. :2thumbs:
Jeff, I've followed this entire thread. all I can say is WOW. I do remember reading one of BK's emails you posted in which he states the car was blasted. I hope you take plenty of pics of this latest "hit" for further proof that they have lied about every aspect of their build on this car.
I realize that you replaced many panels on the car, but don't you need to be worried about the paint in the cabin as well? (Wouldn't you need to pull the interior all out and blast as well) :confused:
Quote from: bakerhillpins on February 05, 2009, 07:54:21 PM
I realize that you replaced many panels on the car, but don't you need to be worried about the paint in the cabin as well? (Wouldn't you need to pull the interior all out and blast as well) :confused:
No.. That's been torn down and inspected. What wasn't replaced (inside) the car has already been torn down , cleaned up, seam sealed, coated and or covered back up. The outside of this car took the abuse. The shop said it looks like this car sat outside for 15+ years with no paint.. Surprisingly enough, the inside's in good shape, as is the front cowl area.
Quote from: NHCharger on February 05, 2009, 07:53:01 PM
Jeff, I've followed this entire thread. all I can say is WOW. I do remember reading one of BK's emails you posted in which he states the car was blasted. I hope you take plenty of pics of this latest "hit" for further proof that they have lied about every aspect of their build on this car.
Oh you can count on that. Proof that BK NEVER touched this car with sand (or any other "blasting" method) will be as clear as day (if it hasn't been already)
BTW, I'm ready for the car to come back!! I have my (3) bulk packs of dynamat lined up. I have a brand new carpet set w/full jute padding. The seats will be reupholstered (wait until you see the JOKE of a job BK did on these things. You thought the 11 year old with the welder was funny? Well, give him some seats, a staple gun and seat covers and stand back :slap: ). The door panels and dash are in great shape. All gauges (except the speedo) are now working. I'll need a couple of weeks with the car before it'll be ready to hit the road but once it does it'll be a TOTALLY different car then what it was in November of 2008!!
EDIT -- One other funny thing I forgot.. When the shop called today he says "You know the CHARGER emblems on the rear?? Well they weren't attached to the car with anything more than Silicone!!".
Apparently they didn't want to remove anything inside the car to fasten the emblems properly!! :lol:
The windshield trim was held on with broken trims and silicone.. I mean, spending $5 for new clips would have killed them??? Who's cheap now?!?!?
can't remember if i have asked ! sorry if i have ! was there any sign of them ever taking the windshield out ??? :popcrn:
:icon_smile_blackeye:
To my recollection, BK stated that this car was sand blasted. So (OF COURSE the windshield was out).. :icon_smile_blackeye: :eek2:
Quote from: jb666 on February 05, 2009, 08:10:08 PM
Quote from: tan top on February 05, 2009, 08:07:55 PM
can't remember if i have asked ! sorry if i have ! was there any sign of them ever taking the windshield out ??? :popcrn:
Yes.. There's lots of BK evidence there. I'm amazed it wasn't leaking.
It probably was and you never had it in the weather to know it...
Quote from: Steve P. on February 05, 2009, 08:11:22 PM
To my recollection, BK stated that this car was sand blasted. So (OF COURSE the windshield was out).. :icon_smile_blackeye: :eek2:
Oh, OF COURSE it was!! :smilielol:
(http://www.bkauto.net/media/images/GLg17.gif)
Quote from: jb666 on February 05, 2009, 08:10:08 PM
Quote from: tan top on February 05, 2009, 08:07:55 PM
can't remember if i have asked ! sorry if i have ! was there any sign of them ever taking the windshield out ??? :popcrn:
Yes.. There's lots of BK evidence there. I'm amazed it wasn't leaking.
done all that & not put new windshield moulding clips in :rotz: , true it is a wonder it did not leak , BK could not have done it ..must of had windshield guys to fit it :yesnod:
Ok guy's. It looks like BK has an attorney as I just got a letter in the mail. :rotz: Did you get one Jeff ? I'll post it so you guys can see just how smart this guy is. :rotz:
Here it is guys! :rotz:
:rofl: :rofl: :smilielol: :lol:
now thats funny right there!!
I thought Jeff could use a laugh. I just can't help myself sometimes. :rofl: Moderators, please forgive me. ;)
:smilielol: That's good stuff!
Did it come with a BONDO seal??
Jesus, CHUCK, you had me goin...
:smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol:
Chuck, you are just too much.
That's funny right there. I don't care who you are.
:lol:
Hey Chuck, I think you might owe me a new keyboard now bud! :smilielol: as I just lost control on my mouth with tea in it!
You had me going as while! :lol:
Dewey, Cheathem, and Howe..!!
;) I'm just preparing for when it happens. :icon_smile_big: I figure we all could use a good laugh about now. :2thumbs:
Quote from: tan top on February 05, 2009, 08:14:44 PM
Quote from: jb666 on February 05, 2009, 08:10:08 PM
Quote from: tan top on February 05, 2009, 08:07:55 PM
can't remember if i have asked ! sorry if i have ! was there any sign of them ever taking the windshield out ??? :popcrn:
Yes.. There's lots of BK evidence there. I'm amazed it wasn't leaking.
done all that & not put new windshield moulding clips in :rotz: , true it is a wonder it did not leak , BK could not have done it ..must of had windshield guys to fit it :yesnod:
I'm still laughing about Chuck's legal papers :smilielol:
Anyways, here's BK's quote, just to refresh your memories:
More Blasting. Don't ever think junmping in a creek bed will help the long term condition of your collectable MOPAR(http://www.bkauto.net/media/images/GLg7.gif)
Engine bay blasted clean and surfaced with the rest of the car in preparation for body work. The trunk POR-15 coated as wellWhich was a COMPLETE joke, because when Jon was installing the heater box he found almost an entire bag of leaves inside the cowl...
(http://www.bkauto.net/media/images/GLg15.gif)
In this shot you can REALLY see the rust that they simply painted right over...
(http://www.bkauto.net/media/images/GLg3.gif)
Chuck:
Dammit man, you had me goin there.. :smilielol: :smilielol:
Jeff:
I'm sorry about this new development, and it really amazes me that you can keep a sense of humor in all this.. I really don't think I would be able to..
Your Charger is gonna be the baddest thing to hit the streets, and I hope you get to enjoy it for many many years to come..
Keep it up.. :2thumbs:
Quote from: Marck on February 06, 2009, 04:27:50 PM
Chuck:
Dammit man, you had me goin there.. :smilielol: :smilielol:
Jeff:
I'm sorry about this new development, and it really amazes me that you can keep a sense of humor in all this.. I really don't think I would be able to..
Your Charger is gonna be the baddest thing to hit the streets, and I hope you get to enjoy it for many many years to come..
Keep it up.. :2thumbs:
Thanks man!! I HAVE to keep a sense of humor or I'll be getting test fitted for a straight jacket...
I'm looking forward to that first drive!!!
Wow, good stuff all! I won't make the mistake of not making it a point to check this thread every chance I get from now on. That's an hour I'll never get back. :eek2: :lol:
Very much worth the read though.
I'm still here.
:wave:
One thing to remember about the horn is that it needs to be the correct wolo horn from Italy. I believe it's the model 430 but it needs to be made in Italy for the correct speed/notes/sound. Jeff is all set there I believe. Come to think of it, I need to check my new one again. :-\. :cheers:
Quote from: mikepmcs on February 06, 2009, 05:50:35 PM
Wow, good stuff all! I won't make the mistake of not making it a point to check this thread every chance I get from now on. That's an hour I'll never get back. :eek2: :lol:
Very much worth the read though.
I'm still here.
:wave:
One thing to remember about the horn is that it needs to be the correct wolo horn from Italy. I believe it's the model 430 but it needs to be made in Italy for the correct speed. Jeff is all set there. :cheers:
Thanks Mike - It'll be a fun read from here on out.
Today's update!!! Ready for this one?
Ok, first.. The front arm rests were held on with slotted wood screws.
The "plug" where I would normally have a control for a remote mirror is a backwards FLOOR plug painted Tan. And check out this picture, you can already see their "nice dye job" on the arm rests coming off. Dye job?? They GAVE Brian the spray can they used to paint the things!!! :rotz:
(http://www.bkauto.net/media/images/glg137.gif)
Brand new windshield COVERED with overspray held in place with rusted and broken clips.
Door hinge pins are all wasted, which explains why half the pictures on BK's site the door is propped open. When I first got the car THERE WAS NO UPPER PIN in place(it had fallen out inside the fender), the door would drop when I opened it.
(http://www.bkauto.net/media/images/glg139.gif)
From BK's site, this IS my car:
(http://www.bkauto.net/media/images/GLg3.gif)
From BK's site THIS IS NOT my car, but yet is on my "restoration page" with this blurb:
Engine bay blasted clean and surfaced with the rest of the car in preparation for body work. The trunk POR-15 coated as wellThis primer was/is no where to be found on my car.
(http://www.bkauto.net/media/images/GLg17.gif)
They destroyed the side trim/chrome. It's bent beyond repair, so I'll be hunting for a new set of side trim.
More to come.. I'll be at the shop in the morning with armed and dangerous with my cameras... :popcrn:
Side trim as in drip rail molding?? Please expound on what you need?
Quote from: mikepmcs on February 06, 2009, 06:06:23 PM
Side trim as in drip rail molding?? Please expound on what you need?
Yes. Where it meets the rubber is all banged up. I'll post clear pictures tomorrow, but it's so bad it can't even be restored.
Oh, and even though I'll only get to this shop (at best) once a week the shop owner has said he'll be emailing me pictures.. So that makes things even more interesting!! I said GOOD OR BAD, send'em.. It doesn't bother me any more :lol:
was just going to ask that last night :yesnod: , so there is no sign of that beige primer on your charger :scratchchin:
Quote from: tan top on February 06, 2009, 06:14:35 PM
was just going to ask that last night :yesnod: , so there is no sign of that beige primer on your charger :scratchchin:
NONE AT ALL, nope. So the deception goes on, and on, and on..... :shruggy:
Actually when I saw that beige car in the picture, the first thing that came to my mind was....that's not the same car.
I have the trim that the rubber goes in along the roof line. It follows the same contour of the roof drip trim but it is underneath if that makes sense. I don't know what to call it. About an inch wide, etc.... little help here someone.
Remember when I said that's not your car long ago? :rofl: I still say there are three cars somehow tied to your's.
Quote from: skip68 on February 06, 2009, 09:27:52 PM
Remember when I said that's not your car long ago? :rofl: I still say there are three cars somehow tied to your's.
Oh yeah, I agree completely..
These pics were just sent to me....
Now, would you agree that this is poor paint prep? :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: What now, BK, was Brian CHEAP with the prep work too???? :slap:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/parts_025Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/parts_024Medium.jpg)
:o What the hell ! ! ! :smilielol: I'm sorry Jeff. :smilielol:
:icon_smile_blackeye:
;)
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Anyways, wait until tomorrow.. I'll have plenty more pics. I just can't get over the piss poor prep/paint job this car got!!!! Did I mention they stripped ALL of the paint off the car with a RAZOR BLADE?????
They could have just used a pressure washer I bet. Thanks for quoting my bad typing. ;) I had to go back and fix it so I don't look like Bk's attorney. :smilielol: I guess we now know why BK says to have a shop you trust go over the car and inspect it. :smilielol: Never in my life have I heard of a shop tell a customer to get another shop to check their work. :rofl:
Quote from: skip68 on February 06, 2009, 10:21:07 PM
They could have just used a pressure washer I bet. Thanks for quoting my bad typing. ;) I had to go back and fix it so I don't look like Bk's attorney. :smilielol: I guess we now know why BK says to have a shop you trust go over the car and inspect it. :smilielol: Never in my life have I heard of a shop tell a customer to get another shop to check their work. :rofl:
I'll never forget him saying that "All GL's are easy to convert to a normal Charger, just peel off the decals and remove the push bar". Could you imagine the poor soul that tried to do that with this one?? :rofl: :rofl:
Hey Jeff, you better tell your paint shop that the numbers are black and white. Not grey. I think they goofed up. :smilielol: :smilielol:
What a wonderful prep job is right. ::)
Can't wait to see the pics Jeff.
Quote from: jb666 on February 06, 2009, 10:23:46 PM
Quote from: skip68 on February 06, 2009, 10:21:07 PM
They could have just used a pressure washer I bet. Thanks for quoting my bad typing. ;) I had to go back and fix it so I don't look like Bk's attorney. :smilielol: I guess we now know why BK says to have a shop you trust go over the car and inspect it. :smilielol: Never in my life have I heard of a shop tell a customer to get another shop to check their work. :rofl:
I'll never forget him saying that "All GL's are easy to convert to a normal Charger, just peel off the decals and remove the push bar". Could you imagine the poor soul that tried to do that with this one?? :rofl: :rofl:
:shruggy:
Quote from: skip68 on February 06, 2009, 10:21:07 PM
They could have just used a pressure washer I bet.
Actually, air would have done it a whole lot faster. The mess created by this method is not a pretty site though. Geez, that's really almost impossible to have almost none of the paint stick on the car. This will send this case over the top. No brainer for Judge ITO. Don't forget about me when you make your TV Show appearances. :wave: :2thumbs:
Imagine having taken it through a brushless car wash, and the airdryer blowing the paint right off of the car?!! That would have been some sh*t! (I know you wouldnt have taken it through that type of wash Jeff, just connecting the visual)
Quote from: teamroth on February 07, 2009, 08:15:57 AM
Imagine having taken it through a brushless car wash, and the airdryer blowing the paint right off of the car?!! That would have been some sh*t! (I know you wouldnt have taken it through that type of wash Jeff, just connecting the visual)
That would have been a riot!!! I enter all shiny Orange but come out with no paint and in primer.. Great if I just robbed a bank!!
Makes me think of Johnny Dangerously. The scene in the movie where he escapes from prison and they are driving away. The radio keeps giving out a discription of the car. He just peels the paint away. So maybe BK was making a cross between Dukes of Hazzard and Johnny Dangerously movie car replica. :smilielol:
Quote from: ac_knight on February 07, 2009, 08:47:22 AM
Makes me think of Johnny Dangerously. The scene in the movie where he escapes from prison and they are driving away. The radio keeps giving out a discription of the car. He just peels the paint away. So maybe BK was making a cross between Dukes of Hazzard and Johnny Dangerously movie car replica. :smilielol:
Let's not give them that much credit :lol:
Certainly not intentionally!! :loser:
Although they certainly seem to know more than a thing or two about crime.
The paint coming off reminds me of Cannonball Run 2, forward to about 3:02
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hi4ccVBsZEM&feature=related
Another reason the decal will take the paint off is if you install while the paint is still wet & has not had sufficient time to dry. I dont mean wet by the touch but Paint takes 90 days to fully cure & dry. Most people are unaware of this. They probably Painted one day, Then rubbed & installed decals the next (if they did rub?) I can see they sanded/prepped the primer underneath decal by the sand thru/burn on lower door body line. Only other way it would peel is if sanded to fine or sealer/primer sat to long & fully dried causing poor adhesion but dont look like it. In no way should the paint be flaking off with a razor blade though. Hacks. LEON.
Maybe they used that new PRIMER/FILLER. You know, Paraffin Primer. :icon_smile_blackeye:
That thief needs to rot in prison... Maybe painting license plates. NO, no, no.... That wouldn't work out very well either. Everyone would have the exact same plate with NOTHING on it...
I don't think that BK can see anything wrong with this. It reminds me of one of his statements, "The steering was sloppy, but it worked when it was here". :slap: :smilielol: Can you imagine, taking the time to put in those stupid bars under the hood and not fixing the steering. :rofl: How can it be sloppy when everything was new and "custom built" ? :smilielol: What a tool.
:cheers:
Ok, to start, here's what what holding my quarter trim on..
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2394Medium.jpg)
ONE of the spots showing how BK just primed right over rust.. Let's just say this one more time.... THIS CAR WAS NEVER SAND BLASTED!!!!!!!!!!!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2395Medium.jpg)
Nice new windshield & rubber, no (OR BROKEN/rusty) clips holding it in.. And notice the pillar up towards the top? See something funky??
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2396Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2397Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2398Medium.jpg)
The best shot:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2399Medium.jpg)
Rear quarter plastic trim's not in place, so if you see something that doesn't quite look "lined up", that's all it is... Notice how shiny the primer is??? If it was sanded at all it was done with VERY FINE sand paper...
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2400Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2401Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2402Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2403Medium.jpg)
Here's some original blue.. They must have missed these spots when they were "blasting" :lol:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2404Medium.jpg)
Orange paint chips everywhere, but the floor's sealed and looks AWESOME in person. Plus I love the shifter.. It's back a bit further than stock, but it's perfect for where I sit.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2405Medium.jpg)
Here you can see Jon's frame connectors...
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2406Medium.jpg)
Notice the spot on the center of the roof? They wanted to see what was under there...
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2407Medium.jpg)
and....... It's pitted rust with primer over it...
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2408Medium.jpg)
TO BE CONTINUED.
Ok, where was I....
You thought I was kidding when I said the flag came off in one pc?? On the back of it is all of the paint that was on the roof.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2409Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2410Medium.jpg)
Just an example of the airbrush/paint work they can do, and this was all done in their "spare time" to fill the wall...
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2411Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2421Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2422Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2413Medium.jpg)
Now this cracks me up and needs no explanation... BK living up to the name BONDO KING!!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2414Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2416Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2415Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2417Medium.jpg)
A few misc spots on the car taken at random to show that BK didn't blast ANY PANEL on this vehicle. This is all pitted rust coated in primer.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2418Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2419Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2420Medium.jpg)
Door adjusted. It opens and closes perfectly now.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2423Medium.jpg)
TO BE CONTINUED.....
Part III.....
A random shot showing an airbrushing they did when they first began ... WELL OVER 20 years ago.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2424Medium.jpg)
I love this bracket BK welded on to hold the grill in place.. I wonder if the 11 year old with the shorts on did this??
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2425Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2426Medium.jpg)
Here's the upper door panel "plugs" where remote mirror controls would be? Look familiar? That's because it's a Chrysler floor pan plug reversed and painted Tan!! :smilielol:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2427Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2428Medium.jpg)
This is the pc I need on each side...
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2430Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2433Medium.jpg)
I'm not sure if you can see in these pictures, but it looks like someone took a small tip hammer to these pcs when removing them...
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2435Medium.jpg)
For today, that's THE END of this picture series. :popcrn:
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I was looking at that places airbrushing while listening to Turn Up The Radio by Autograph, and that was weird combo.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RdlfTQ0_sQ
I can't believe that somebody would actually build a car like that, not monetarily, but morally. :rotz: :rotz: :rotz: :rotz: :rotz: :rotz: :rotz:
That place looks like it defiantly fits the bill for a good paint shop. :yesnod: :yesnod: I spy a sweet Boston album airbrush. :scope:
You are going to have a sweet car when this is all through, and I can't wait to see it. :cheers: :cheers:
BK did not put any effort in the car whatsoever. They don't have a leg to stand on.
Quote from: WingCharger on February 07, 2009, 03:21:01 PM
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I was looking at that places airbrushing while listening to Turn Up The Radio by Autograph, and that was weird combo.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RdlfTQ0_sQ
I can't believe that somebody would actually build a car like that, not monetarily, but morally. :rotz: :rotz: :rotz: :rotz: :rotz: :rotz: :rotz:
That place looks like it defiantly fits the bill for a good paint shop. :yesnod: :yesnod: I spy a sweet Boston album airbrush. :scope:
You are going to have a sweet car when this is all through, and I can't wait to see it. :cheers: :cheers:
Thanks, neither can I!!
Quote from: Back N Black on February 07, 2009, 03:51:27 PM
BK did not put any effort in the car whatsoever. They don't have a leg to stand on.
No, they most certainly can not justify anything any more.. There's no excuse for any of this crap!!
Those airbrushings look great. I love the Boston one. I had illussions back in the day of having a Skynyrd airbrushing done on the Bee. I never did it though. I just never felt it would fit well with the car.
I love the reverse floor plug in the door panel. Can't say these guys aren't resourceful. ::)
Your car looks to be in great hands with that shop Jeff. It should look great when done. Can't wait to see it. :2thumbs:
Jeff, you should send BK copies of those pics, not say a word, with just a smiley face....
Jeff,
PM sent. pick up your cell i'm calling from my home number not my cell.
Mike
Quote from: teamroth on February 07, 2009, 04:29:12 PM
Jeff, you should send BK copies of those pics, not say a word, with just a smiley face....
What for? Just so he can hear more excuses and how they would have done it right if Brian wasn't such a cheapskate? He's already heard that song and dance too many times.
Doing things like that only work if the people you send the pics to have a conscience. The people at BK Auto do not have a conscience. That's why they are able to take money from people and hand them junk and sleep at night.
Quote from: mikepmcs on February 07, 2009, 04:30:55 PM
Jeff,
PM sent. pick up your cell i'm calling from my home number not my cell.
Mike
Carnac says "Drip rail moulding". :icon_smile_big:
Quote from: General_01 on February 07, 2009, 04:35:03 PM
Quote from: teamroth on February 07, 2009, 04:29:12 PM
Jeff, you should send BK copies of those pics, not say a word, with just a smiley face....
What for? Just so he can hear more excuses and how they would have done it right if Brian wasn't such a cheapskate? He's already heard that song and dance too many times.
Doing things like that only work if the people you send the pics to have a conscience. The people at BK Auto do not have a conscience. That's why they are able to take money from people and hand them junk and sleep at night.
Not for the conscience part of the show, just to show them how bad they F'd up, and it's all about to be proven. I am a spiteful bastard though. That's just me. I know they have no conscience, I'm sure people could possibly have died in cars that they have built, it's just never been brought to court or been proven.
I think thats called the roof side rail weather stripping holder...Any 68-70 B body hard top trim will work.
Quote from: teamroth on February 07, 2009, 05:04:50 PM
Quote from: General_01 on February 07, 2009, 04:35:03 PM
Quote from: teamroth on February 07, 2009, 04:29:12 PM
Jeff, you should send BK copies of those pics, not say a word, with just a smiley face....
What for? Just so he can hear more excuses and how they would have done it right if Brian wasn't such a cheapskate? He's already heard that song and dance too many times.
Doing things like that only work if the people you send the pics to have a conscience. The people at BK Auto do not have a conscience. That's why they are able to take money from people and hand them junk and sleep at night.
Not for the conscience part of the show, just to show them how bad they F'd up, and it's all about to be proven. I am a spiteful bastard though. That's just me. I know they have no conscience, I'm sure people could possibly have died in cars that they have built, it's just never been brought to court or been proven.
YET..
I'm not emailing BK any more.. Thomas has NEVER shown remorse and I highly doubt he'll start now.
Quote from: captnsim on February 07, 2009, 05:05:35 PM
I think thats called the roof side rail weather stripping holder...Any 68-70 B body hard top trim will work.
Those are them! :cheers: :cheers:
Quote from: jb666 on February 07, 2009, 05:23:05 PM
Quote from: teamroth on February 07, 2009, 05:04:50 PM
Quote from: General_01 on February 07, 2009, 04:35:03 PM
Quote from: teamroth on February 07, 2009, 04:29:12 PM
Jeff, you should send BK copies of those pics, not say a word, with just a smiley face....
What for? Just so he can hear more excuses and how they would have done it right if Brian wasn't such a cheapskate? He's already heard that song and dance too many times.
Doing things like that only work if the people you send the pics to have a conscience. The people at BK Auto do not have a conscience. That's why they are able to take money from people and hand them junk and sleep at night.
Not for the conscience part of the show, just to show them how bad they F'd up, and it's all about to be proven. I am a spiteful bastard though. That's just me. I know they have no conscience, I'm sure people could possibly have died in cars that they have built, it's just never been brought to court or been proven.
YET..
I'm not emailing BK any more.. Thomas has NEVER shown remorse and I highly doubt he'll start now.
Quote from: captnsim on February 07, 2009, 05:05:35 PM
I think thats called the roof side rail weather stripping holder...Any 68-70 B body hard top trim will work.
Those are them! :cheers: :cheers:
Jeff, don't get the wrong idea, it wasn't a get him to show remorse kind of thing, it would be more of a here's how deep your grave is kind of thing. I have resigned myself to the fact that he could not show remorse for his own child,let alone someone else. Anyone that could in good conscience sell these cars to people who could possibly put their children at risk in them, clearly has no soul. I just like rubbing dirtbags faces in shit when they are nabbed, and have nowhere to go but down. Just desserts...know what I mean? But I'm sure you're right, you are going about it the right way.
:cheers:
I'm going to see next week what I need to do to get records of BK's customers. I would like to see those cars and for them to see this. I hope that we (you and I Jeff) can get an update on the latest action with BK. I hope to really put the pressure back onto BK that BK has put on their customers X10. ;)
Quote from: jb666 on February 07, 2009, 05:34:46 PM
Quote from: teamroth on February 07, 2009, 05:32:34 PM
Quote from: jb666 on February 07, 2009, 05:23:05 PM
Quote from: teamroth on February 07, 2009, 05:04:50 PM
Quote from: General_01 on February 07, 2009, 04:35:03 PM
Quote from: teamroth on February 07, 2009, 04:29:12 PM
Jeff, you should send BK copies of those pics, not say a word, with just a smiley face....
What for? Just so he can hear more excuses and how they would have done it right if Brian wasn't such a cheapskate? He's already heard that song and dance too many times.
Doing things like that only work if the people you send the pics to have a conscience. The people at BK Auto do not have a conscience. That's why they are able to take money from people and hand them junk and sleep at night.
Not for the conscience part of the show, just to show them how bad they F'd up, and it's all about to be proven. I am a spiteful bastard though. That's just me. I know they have no conscience, I'm sure people could possibly have died in cars that they have built, it's just never been brought to court or been proven.
YET..
I'm not emailing BK any more.. Thomas has NEVER shown remorse and I highly doubt he'll start now.
Quote from: captnsim on February 07, 2009, 05:05:35 PM
I think thats called the roof side rail weather stripping holder...Any 68-70 B body hard top trim will work.
Those are them! :cheers: :cheers:
Jeff, don't get the wrong idea, it wasn't a get him to show remorse kind of thing, it would be more of a here's how deep your grave is kind of thing. I have resigned myself to the fact that he could not show remorse for his own child,let alone someone else. Anyone that could in good conscience sell these cars to people who could possibly put their children at risk in them, clearly has no soul. I just like rubbing dirtbags faces in shit when they are nabbed, and have nowhere to go but down. Just desserts...know what I mean? But I'm sure you're right, you are going about it the right way.
Oh, I'm confident that Thomas is reading this thread. Each post he probably puts his hand on his head and said "Oh these rednecks are all idiot and have NO IDEA what they are talking about!". Where would I get this idea? It's what he would always tell me about people chiming in on this thread... :lol:
:shruggy:
I just got an email from a local business owner (in Houston) who wanted me to know that not everyone in Houston "rebuilds" cars this way. I would never stereotype an entire industry (or City) because of one group of hacks. That would be ignorant. :cheers: :cheers:
What's funny is today when I was at the shop EVERYONE there knew the name BK Auto. There were people there I didn't know. That didn't matter, BK Auto was something they had all heard of and/or read about. I can only imagine what other local (Houston) businesses are saying about their neighbor.
One thing I can promise everyone here, they aren't saying enough .... YET...
This car will be the plague that brings BK to their knees. Will they just close and open in a new name? Sure, no doubt, but Thomas can't change his name and that would be M-U-D.
Everytime I look at this thread...more and more of BK's hackjobs are discovered :rotz:
Quote from: 69bronzeT5 on February 07, 2009, 06:56:28 PM
Everytime I look at this thread...more and more of BK's hackjobs are discovered :rotz:
Oh and it's not over yet.. not by a long shot!
:cheers:
I like 1-4. Number 4 does ring true. I think #2 is the funniest though. :lol:
Number 6 is funny, and also those plugs almost made me laugh out loud when you described what they really were
#8 sounds best :scratchchin:
Who can combine them to come up with the best one? Like 8 and 4 together...
:popcrn:
I think #2 is completely wrong. It certainly seems to me that he is charging WHEELBARROWS full of money for about 3800 pounds of RUST.......
They only have these kinds of problems 1 time from a person in Turkey.
Everytime I come to this thread I am more surprised then the last time. Can't wait to see the finished product Jeff.
Welcome to the site Marsh. :cheers: Chuck....
Quote from: skip68 on February 08, 2009, 12:15:30 AM
Welcome to the site Marsh. :cheers: Chuck....
Thanks. I have been reading this thread for a while. Jeff sent me the link and I just signed up to post tonight. :cheers:
So, I take it you know Jeff ? Is this one of the worst or the worst story you've ever heard ? :rotz:
Okay guys, we are now at page 88, are we going to see some serious sh!t? :D :smilielol:
Quote from: skip68 on February 08, 2009, 12:27:30 AM
So, I take it you know Jeff ? Is this one of the worst or the worst story you've ever heard ? :rotz:
Yes, I know him from a different forum. No doubt. All I can say is this will be one bad car when complete. I am hoping he brings it to carlisle this year.
Quote from: Marsh on February 08, 2009, 10:54:57 AM
Quote from: skip68 on February 08, 2009, 12:27:30 AM
So, I take it you know Jeff ? Is this one of the worst or the worst story you've ever heard ? :rotz:
Yes, I know him from a different forum. No doubt. All I can say is this will be one bad car when complete. I am hoping he brings it to carlisle this year.
Hey Marsh!! I'm glad you came over (and posted). Thanks for the support!!
I've known Marsh for a few years... He comes from another forum that I'm a post whore on..
I'm looking for a trailer now.. If I can find one I'll be bringing it to a LOT MORE shows than I ever would, along with my BK DISPLAY. Wait until you see the stuff I've got.. People set things up around their cars, well I promise you this will attract a crowd!!!
Quote from: MoparManJim on February 08, 2009, 02:38:45 AM
Okay guys, we are now at page 88, are we going to see some serious sh!t? :D :smilielol:
Now that we have the Spark King 2, YES!! :nana: :nana: :nana:
(http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=53390.0;attach=93117;image)
Don't buy anything from any state unless you can fully inspect it first. That's what my display would say. It's a shame to say that as I'm sure there are tons of good shops there, but this is a very bad problem there. :yesnod: This is why these shops suck. :flame: It makes it hard for people to trust any shop. :rotz: Fellow Texans, It's time to clean house. :yesnod: NO OFFENSE to anyone is meant. :angel:
Quote from: skip68 on February 08, 2009, 12:15:04 PM
don't buy anything from any state unless you can fully inspect it first. That's what my display would say. It's a shame to say that as I'm sure there is tons of good shops there, but this is a very bad problem there. :yesnod: This is why these shops suck. :flame: It makes it hard for people to trust any shop. :rotz:
This DOES make it hard to trust any shop, and when you're FORCED to buy out of state (or even worse OUT OF COUNTRY) you rely on what these people tell you. I have 3 people who have contacted me that BK sold cars to OUT OF STATE and grossly misrepresented the vehicle. What can they do? Spend THOUSANDS to go to BK and confront them? No. In one person's case he saved for 3 YEARS to buy his "dream car" from BK and got totally shafted.. It's sad. LOTS of $$ has been lost and everywhere on the web that I can see that BK has replied they do nothing but insult people and defend their actions...
;)
I think the world just stopped Chuck. :smilielol:
Any new news Jeff?
Quote from: captnsim on February 08, 2009, 01:46:15 PM
Any new news Jeff?
Today, nothing. Did you see the pictures I posted from yesterday's visit? They tell quite the story. Tomorrow there should be some more news.. I'll post any updates I get.
Yeah...I'm thinking of going at those fenders from you with a razor myself...:o Just haven't got courage to try yet. Maybe after a beer or two...
Quote from: captnsim on February 08, 2009, 02:04:01 PM
Yeah...I'm thinking of going at those fenders from you with a razor myself...:o Just haven't got courage to try yet. Maybe after a beer or two...
Well I can all but promise the paint will come off the same way.. :flame: This thing is a horror show.
One of the things I find the "funniest" is the odd bits of metal used all over your car...Does BK keep a bits bin just for this purpose? Or maybe that's why his cars cost so much...Must take alot of time to find the right bits of metal for each one of his "customized" additions.
Quote from: captnsim on February 08, 2009, 02:24:13 PM
One of the things I find the "funniest" is the odd bits of metal used all over your car...Does BK keep a bits bin just for this purpose? Or maybe that's why his cars cost so much...Must take alot of time to find the right bits of metal for each one of his "customized" additions.
That's for sure.. That's why I've kept the motto "more patches than your average quilt" when I talk about the panels. They were MASTERS of covering things that could have EASILY been repaired...
If you run a "chop shop" you will have lots of metal pieces. :yesnod: You have to get rid of it somehow. :rofl: :smilielol: Think about it. What do you think happened to the car that BK took the V.I.N. tag from ? :icon_smile_big: We will get to the bottom of this in time.
Jeff, looking at the pic of the inner doors when your shop does the painting they will be color matching the tan interior to paint on the lower door frame to match correct?
One of my biggest peeves is to have exterior body color there (as there was on your doors)
Just curious....
PS---I cant believe they used silicone to hold on the quarter trim moldings.....wait....actually I guess I can :rotz:
Quote from: NOT Just 6T9 CHGR on February 08, 2009, 04:53:23 PM
Jeff, looking at the pic of the inner doors when your shop does the painting they will be color matching the tan interior to paint on the lower door frame to match correct?
One of my biggest peeves is to have exterior body color there (as there was on your doors)
Just curious....
PS---I cant believe they used silicone to hold on the quarter trim moldings.....wait....actually I guess I can :rotz:
Do you have a picture to explain what you're saying? If I'm reading this right, you're saying under my door panel (inside) shouldn't be Orange?? I actually like the look.. It should be Tan to match the interior??
Do you mean the strip of Orange you can see at the bottom of my door panel in this shot?
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2022Small.jpg)
Yeah I think that's what he means. That area was interior color or black from the factory. Wrapped around about half a inch. The door jamb is still body color though.
Quote from: captnsim on February 08, 2009, 05:02:57 PM
Yeah I think that's what he means. That area was interior color or black from the factory. Wrapped around about half a inch. The door jamb is still body color though.
Behind the door panel should be the real factory interior body color. Behind mine, it was.
Quote from: captnsim on February 08, 2009, 05:02:57 PM
Yeah I think that's what he means. That area was interior color or black from the factory. Wrapped around about half a inch. The door jamb is still body color though.
The weatherstrip on the door shell is the break point for the two colors.
Let it go people.
Oh, you came back to show how shallow you are. Thanks. We already knew that. :hah:
Yup, splits on the weather strip.
Quote from: captnsim on February 08, 2009, 06:51:36 PM
Yup, splits on the weather strip.
Cool, I did not know that :cheers: :cheers:
Me too. Now I know what I'm doing to mine soon. :2thumbs:
Quote from: jb666 on February 08, 2009, 04:56:43 PM
Quote from: NOT Just 6T9 CHGR on February 08, 2009, 04:53:23 PM
Jeff, looking at the pic of the inner doors when your shop does the painting they will be color matching the tan interior to paint on the lower door frame to match correct?
One of my biggest peeves is to have exterior body color there (as there was on your doors)
Just curious....
PS---I cant believe they used silicone to hold on the quarter trim moldings.....wait....actually I guess I can :rotz:
Do you have a picture to explain what you're saying? If I'm reading this right, you're saying under my door panel (inside) shouldn't be Orange?? I actually like the look.. It should be Tan to match the interior??
Do you mean the strip of Orange you can see at the bottom of my door panel in this shot?
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2022Small.jpg)
Yep the orange part in this pic....just one of those "things" for me is all...no biggie to those that have it done this way
Now tell me something, on a car without remote mirrors, what's supposed to be in the upper door panel for a plug.. Safe to say that a floor pan plug isn't proper??
Quote from: jb666 on February 08, 2009, 10:58:45 AM
Quote from: Marsh on February 08, 2009, 10:54:57 AM
Quote from: skip68 on February 08, 2009, 12:27:30 AM
So, I take it you know Jeff ? Is this one of the worst or the worst story you've ever heard ? :rotz:
Yes, I know him from a different forum. No doubt. All I can say is this will be one bad car when complete. I am hoping he brings it to carlisle this year.
Hey Marsh!! I'm glad you came over (and posted). Thanks for the support!!
I've known Marsh for a few years... He comes from another forum that I'm a post whore on..
I'm looking for a trailer now.. If I can find one I'll be bringing it to a LOT MORE shows than I ever would, along with my BK DISPLAY. Wait until you see the stuff I've got.. People set things up around their cars, well I promise you this will attract a crowd!!!
:cheers:
All the pads had the indent...with a "knock out" for the remote control. I think???
I'll try to grab a picture of one here in a bit.
Troy
You know. Until you unwrapped that interior and showed us the hack job that was holding it all together underneath, that picture shows a nice looking interior. Shows how deceiving pictures can be.
Correct or not, I like the orange stripe on the bottom of the door for a General.
With the doors, dash and steering column painted body color it can give a nice custom look.
Quote from: jb666 on February 08, 2009, 07:34:00 PM
Now tell me something, on a car without remote mirrors, what's supposed to be in the upper door panel for a plug.. Safe to say that a floor pan plug isn't proper??
Heres a small pic of a remote mirror delete plug. You need one?
Jason
No sure if it is an option at this point, but you could get a factory remote drivers side mirror pretty readily. I remember having a boatload of them at one time or another.
Quote from: Bluestar on February 09, 2009, 11:53:16 AM
No sure if it is an option at this point, but you could get a factory remote drivers side mirror pretty readily. I remember having a boatload of them at one time or another.
Not a bad idea!! :cheers: :cheers: I'll try to track one down, that way I can get rid of the body plug in my door panel.
They are avail repro for about 200 or so beans
Cool, I'll check it out!!
Nothing major today.. All the glass is out of the car.. Found out the reason the door locks didn't work was because the rods weren't hooked up right :shruggy: I remember the day I got it, the passenger's door was locked and the window was up.. I couldn't get the door open and thought "MY GOD it's welded shut!!" :rofl: but it opened up eventually.. It used to take two hands to put the windows up/down , but that was because the window mechanisms were put together using parts from several cars.. Things will go back together right so they are smooth!!
:cheers: :cheers:
Here's the plug you're looking for.
Troy
;)
Quote from: jb666 on February 07, 2009, 03:07:12 PM
Ok, where was I....
Just an example of the airbrush/paint work they can do, and this was all done in their "spare time" to fill the wall...
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2411Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2421Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2422Medium.jpg)
Sweeeet! Jeff, would you consider having them airbrush the flag with a texture or a fabric-look? I don't think another one has that look.
KWS' comes close, but something even more realistic than that. Their eye for detail has made me Duncan-Hines moist.
Well, I thought about it, but as much as I'd LOVE to have a custom spin on this thing, my goal is to have a nice GL at the end of the day.. I think I'd regret doing anything out of the box.
You going to pull those vent window frames out before paint Jeff?
Quote from: captnsim on February 10, 2009, 10:37:10 AM
You going to pull those vent window frames out before paint Jeff?
Of course. In fact, the glass (since those pictures) is out of the car. The vent windows (I just bought new ones) need to be changed, because BK made up some funky "bolt bracket" to hold the window to the swivel because they said "parts were not available". Funny, because I won a nice pair on EBay really cheap!!!
Nothing will be left on the car for paint.
Quote from: jb666 on February 10, 2009, 10:40:41 AM
Quote from: captnsim on February 10, 2009, 10:37:10 AM
You going to pull those vent window frames out before paint Jeff?
Of course. In fact, the glass (since those pictures) is out of the car. The vent windows (I just bought new ones) need to be changed, because BK made up some funky "bolt bracket" to hold the window to the swivel because they said "parts were not available". Funny, because I won a nice pair on EBay really cheap!!!
Nothing will be left on the car for paint.
:popcrn:
Quote from: MoparManJim on February 10, 2009, 04:40:48 PM
Quote from: jb666 on February 10, 2009, 10:40:41 AM
Quote from: captnsim on February 10, 2009, 10:37:10 AM
You going to pull those vent window frames out before paint Jeff?
Of course. In fact, the glass (since those pictures) is out of the car. The vent windows (I just bought new ones) need to be changed, because BK made up some funky "bolt bracket" to hold the window to the swivel because they said "parts were not available". Funny, because I won a nice pair on EBay really cheap!!!
Nothing will be left on the car for paint.
You know Jeff, by now you know you shouldn't belive anything that they have to tell you. So far everthing they said about this car wasn't even true. Like the sandblasting ::).
Believe me Jim, I don't... Nothing on this car surprises me any more.. I'm way beyond that. I just love how a shop can say parts "arent available" (or WEREN'T 2 years ago) when the market is thriving!!
:rotz: I got some news for you Jeff. I just got off the phone With the Texas Vehicle Inspection Bureau. :rotz: They have no records of your car ever being inspected and having a new V.I.N. issued. :icon_smile_big: Looks like good old Mr. Schubert has some more explaining to do. :naughty: We knew this but I had to have confirmation first.
Quote from: skip68 on February 10, 2009, 04:53:14 PM
:rotz: I got some news for you Jeff. I just got off the phone With the Texas Vehicle Inspection Bureau. :rotz: They have no records of your car ever being inspected and having a new V.I.N. issued. :icon_smile_big: Looks like good old Mr. Schubert has some more explaining to do. :naughty: We knew this but I had to have confirmation first.
This, unfortunately, comes as no surprise. Luckily it's 100% legal and inspected now. (Notarized) Papers have been sent in to the registry and I'm ready for the road... Almost! I've obviously retained a copy of the State Police inspection report for my records.
:2thumbs:
:drive: Soon!!!! You must be getting excited...
Quote from: captnsim on February 10, 2009, 07:14:19 PM
:drive: Soon!!!! You must be getting excited...
Yeah, that's for sure!!!!!! Hopefully by Spring, when I hit the first show I'll look back and laugh at all of this... I'm borderline right now!!
Quote from: jb666 on February 10, 2009, 07:16:50 PM
Quote from: captnsim on February 10, 2009, 07:14:19 PM
:drive: Soon!!!! You must be getting excited...
Yeah, that's for sure!!!!!! Hopefully by Spring, when I hit the first show I'll look back and laugh at all of this... I'm borderline right now!!
Well, at least you won't have to worry about the car falling apart going down the road ;) as it is being done the right way once and for all and you know what all is being done to it.
Tonight's update...
This picture came with this caption:
....this photo is of the lower door. You can see that BK just put bondo over the holes then painted the car , and if you look close you can see more filler over the orange paint then primer and paint again, meaning the car sat long enough that the rot blistered and they had to repair it again before the car was shipped .Both doors have the same problem....
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/parts027Medium.jpg)
I guess it could be worse. At least that will be the last of the body suprises.
Quote from: The70RT on February 10, 2009, 10:27:23 PM
I guess it could be worse. At least that will be the last of the body suprises.
:lol: I HOPE! It hasn't gone off to the blaster yet...
Nice... :flame:
Crap! :flame: But then again, is anybody really surprised by this? Sorry Jeff. More expense and more time now. :brickwall:
So I wonder WHO got the car that BRIAN paid for?? There is not ONE thing on this car that BK described in text or in pictures. I think BK had someone with a bigger wallet came along and BK sold the car that WAS being build for Brian to someone else. This has had NOTHING done to it as described and you have every bit of proof of exactly that. Switching tags just throws the entire story together for me...
Jeff, I think if/when the day comes that you end up in front of a judge on this, we should put together a MILLION MOPAR MAN MARCH and all hang out at the Court.
;)
Check your pm's Jeff. I need the OK from you A.S.A.P. :2thumbs:
Man, thank you for being bold enough to go public with this. I'm a mechanic who, believe it or not, went back to school and became a lawyer. I love the Mopars passionately. Although I'm a whole world away from you and I'm not familiar with the American legal system, I have to ask this: Surely you've taken some legal advice on this, haven't you? It seems to me that you have an excellent case to recover your loss occasioned by their breach of the contract between you. Are there any small law firms over there who would take the job on? It seems quite a simple case to put together and its got "settle out early" written all over it. I can't help but feel that its a dreadful shame that you feel helpless to do anything about it. There must be some avenue for redress, even if its consumer protection legislation that makes it an offence for traders to deliver well short of what was promised in the contract. Just a thought. And thumbs up to you for being a true Mopar guy - never say die!
Cheers,
DannyG
:cheers: Thank's Danny. Yes, there is no way a case like this would ever make it to court (EVER) unless BK has no money/insurance to cover them. As for a "small" Law firm, I'm sure that will be covered when Jeff is ready. ;) As a Lawyer you know about destroying credibility, and that you can see we have clearly done here. The other factor is BK has made many mistakes over the last several years as a business and now they will have to deal with that as well. We (Jeff and I) are building a very solid foundation. Chuck............
Quote from: skip68 on February 11, 2009, 09:34:45 AM
:cheers: Thank's Danny. Yes, there is no way a case like this would ever make it to court (EVER) unless BK has no money/insurance to cover them. As for a "small" Law firm, I'm sure that will be covered when Jeff is ready. ;) As a Lawyer you know about destroying credibility, and that you can see we have clearly done here. The other factor is BK has made many mistakes over the last several years as a business and now they will have to deal with that as well. We (Jeff and I) are building a very solid foundation. Chuck............
You said it all right there!! :cheers: :cheers:
Just remember the BK company motto: We're not happy until your not happy! :smilielol:
Quote from: mopar73 on February 11, 2009, 02:56:43 PM
Just remember the BK company motto: We're not happy until your not happy! :smilielol:
Isn't that the watermark in BK's contract papers?? If not, it should be..
"And the Lord God for giving us the opportunity to do what we love,... make things go dangerously fast with a reckless disregard for human life."
This is from BK's site on the bottom of the coffin car page...I would assume "dangerously fast" is around 5mph... :shruggy:
You know what else is really sad? Think about how many people these thieves have turned away from the classic car hobby for good. We aren't talking about misrepresenting a part, we're talking about tens of thousands of dollars here that BK Auto literally stole from Brian. Not to mention the time honored con artist methodology of bullying him into paying deeper by threat and intimidation when he questioned their work. Has Brian been here since? Will he ever be willing to take that kind of risk again? I wouldn't.
Ghoste -- You are right.. They've probably scared more people away (and forced them to buy HONDAS) from this great hobby...
Oh well, tonight's update from the shop!!! Great news, at the end!!!!!!
...Rear rt emblem they bent the studs to hold it in place instead of using speed nuts, other photo is the wind shield clips. The three on the right are new ones they installed, the others are the junk rotted and broken ones they left.The assortment of nuts is what was holding the tailights in coarse and fine threads (nice job). One more thing b bodys have six bolts holding the top of the dash in place under the windshield rubber they used one bolt The Good News Is car is at the Blaster
(I honestly thought I was done looking at pictures of rusty parts!!! :flame: )
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/genrallee003Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/genrallee004Medium.jpg)
Quote from: jb666 on February 11, 2009, 06:03:04 PM
Ghoste -- You are right.. They've probably scared more people away (and forced them to buy HONDAS) from this great hobby...
Oh well, tonight's update from the shop!!! Great news, at the end!!!!!!
...Rear rt emblem they bent the studs to hold it in place instead of using speed nuts, other photo is the wind shield clips. The three on the right are new ones they installed, the others are the junk rotted and broken ones they left.The assortment of nuts is what was holding the tailights in coarse and fine threads (nice job). One more thing b bodys have six bolts holding the top of the dash in place under the windshield rubber they used one bolt The Good News Is car is at the Blaster
(I honestly thought I was done looking at pictures of rusty parts!!! :flame: )
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/genrallee003Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/genrallee004Medium.jpg)
bent the studs on the back of the emblem :brickwall: these guys damn , could of just cut a thread & used a conventional nut :yesnod:
:cheers:
Quote from: jb666 on February 11, 2009, 06:17:57 PM
Quote from: tan top on February 11, 2009, 06:08:09 PM
Quote from: jb666 on February 11, 2009, 06:03:04 PM
Ghoste -- You are right.. They've probably scared more people away (and forced them to buy HONDAS) from this great hobby...
Oh well, tonight's update from the shop!!! Great news, at the end!!!!!!
...Rear rt emblem they bent the studs to hold it in place instead of using speed nuts, other photo is the wind shield clips. The three on the right are new ones they installed, the others are the junk rotted and broken ones they left.The assortment of nuts is what was holding the tailights in coarse and fine threads (nice job). One more thing b bodys have six bolts holding the top of the dash in place under the windshield rubber they used one bolt The Good News Is car is at the Blaster
(I honestly thought I was done looking at pictures of rusty parts!!! :flame: )
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/genrallee003Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/genrallee004Medium.jpg)
bent the studs on the back of the emblem :brickwall: these guys damn , could of just cut a thread & used a conventional nut :yesnod:
But that would have taken more time and materials, and they weren't paid for that!! $70k today's get you a conventional nut, come on!!! :eek2:
damn Sorry Dude i keep forgetting :slap: my bad at least they did not stick it on with bondo :yesnod: :brickwall:
I'm surprised you had clips at all, thought they would of just urethaned it in there :scratchchin: :rofl:
Urewhat!! Thats a pretty big word to try and spell there fella. Just put some of that gooey stuff from the big tube on there. (in the BK world anyway)
You know what the best picture would be at the end of all of this? The nice folks at BK in handcuffs. :2thumbs: That's just my crazy vision. :2thumbs:
Quote from: skip68 on February 11, 2009, 08:02:47 PM
You know what the best picture would be at the end of all of this? The nice folks at BK in handcuffs. :2thumbs: That's just my crazy vision. :2thumbs:
That and their first shower :D
Cavity search :o :yesnod: :smilielol:
;)
Cavity Search, Is he going to the Dentist :scratchchin: :rofl: :smilielol:
Quote from: hemi-hampton on February 11, 2009, 11:30:33 PM
Cavity Search, Is he going to the Dentist :scratchchin: :rofl: :smilielol:
I be thinkin thats what he'll be wishin... :moon:
;)
Hollywood could make a film out of this thread
Starring Vin Diesel as Jeff, and Starring Chuck, as Chuck. (Chuck plays the heavy perfectly. ) :RantExplode:
:icon_smile_wink:
I wonder how BK's stomach feels now ? I hope it starts to feel like some of his past customers and worse. :yesnod:
Believe me, with the amount of people I've been sending this link to lately, I wouldn't be surprised if a movie offer came along :lol:
Anyways, I'm hoping to hear more later on about the car. It's due to be sandblasted today... I guess it was a LOT of work to prepare a complete/driving car for this process.. Sand, as you know, gets everywhere and they are trying to keep it out of the areas that I don't want it.. I should have some GREAT pictures when it comes back from the shop. I can only imagine what BK did under the rest of the paint... :eek2:
Is there ANYTHING left on the car that BK touched?? It sure seams to me that you have replaced EVERYTHING............... ::)
Quote from: Steve P. on February 12, 2009, 03:48:59 PM
Is there ANYTHING left on the car that BK touched?? It sure seams to me that you have replaced EVERYTHING............... ::)
The wheels? :smilielol: :smilielol:
OH NO.... Jeff, you better check them over thoroughly. :o
Is it possible to make wheels out of Bondo???
No, but the wheels may be the wrong ones and they put adapters on. :shruggy: :scratchchin: I wonder what is underneath the seat covers ? :popcrn: The old covers are still on I bet. :smilielol:
Nope, no adapters, and not drilled out.. The wheels are right :lol:
As for the seats.. They are two driver's seats with new covers.. They are BUTCHERED. The install looks like a 10 year old did it with a staple gun.
QuoteNope, no adapters, and not drilled out.. The wheels are right lol
As for the seats.. They are two driver's seats with new covers.. They are BUTCHERED. The install looks like a 10 year old did it with a staple gun.
probably the younger brother of the 11 year old that did the welding
Quote from: jb666 on February 12, 2009, 04:54:53 PM
Nope, no adapters, and not drilled out.. The wheels are right :lol:
As for the seats.. They are two driver's seats with new covers.. They are BUTCHERED. The install looks like a 10 year old did it with a staple gun.
:popcrn:
I hope BK is nervous about getting in legal trouble and looks outside everyday and wonders, is today the day ? ;) Every knock on the door, every car that pulls in the parking lot, everytime he hears a car door shutting outside I hope he wonders , Is today the day. :yesnod: All I can say is -------SOON.
Quote from: skip68 on February 12, 2009, 05:11:48 PM
I hope BK is nervous about getting in legal trouble and looks outside everyday and wonders, is today the day ? ;) Every knock on the door, every car that pulls in the parking lot, everytime he hears a car door shutting outside I hope he wonders , Is today the day. :yesnod: All I can say is -------SOON.
OK yea, there's that foaming at the mouth thing again.....
How about some action in lieu of the tough talk?
I'm just sayin...
Neal
Quote from: Neal_J on February 12, 2009, 05:31:06 PM
Quote from: skip68 on February 12, 2009, 05:11:48 PM
I hope BK is nervous about getting in legal trouble and looks outside everyday and wonders, is today the day ? ;) Every knock on the door, every car that pulls in the parking lot, everytime he hears a car door shutting outside I hope he wonders , Is today the day. :yesnod: All I can say is -------SOON.
OK yea, there's that foaming at the mouth thing again.....
How about some action in lieu of the tough talk?
I'm just sayin...
Neal
:poke:
Naaa. I think better to take your time and let him sweat. Besides, every day this thread is making it out to more and more people. One day you will have a list as long as your arm of people that have been taken by his fraud.
Something tells me he was selling cars on Ebay also. I believe that can fall under mail fraud as well...
:cheers:
Quote from: jb666 on February 12, 2009, 06:19:47 PM
Neal.. There's been LOTS of action on Chuck's part (all legal). We just can't post about some of it, right now for (legal) reasons.
Yea, I get it Jeff. But my point is that Chuck's oft-repeated suggestions of some veiled but imminent action(s) have grown stale to read. If there's no action that can be promulgated, that's fine & understandable. My suggestion to Chuck is to simply resist the urge to post until there's real news. Deal?
Yes, there is a dept. with the Police that deals with stuff like ebay. :yesnod: I hear you Neal but, I'm boared and speaking my public opinion. :cheers: Steve, watch what you say or you might get a letter like I did. ;) I have to respect Jeff and do this at his pace. I've allready got my end covered and in fact holding off for the right time. That's why all I can say is soon. :cheers:
edit, sent in a PM
Jeff call a brother if interested. :callme:
Mike
There is new readers that only skim this so I keep it fresh so to speak and for other reasons as well. :cheers: Sorry Neal if it is getting old. Just ignore it. :cheers: Chuck...............
Quote from: JMF on February 12, 2009, 04:38:48 AM
Hollywood could make a film out of this thread
Well if they do, this site had better get 10% of the proceeds. :thumbs:
Quote from: Charger_Fan on February 12, 2009, 06:41:14 PM
Quote from: JMF on February 12, 2009, 04:38:48 AM
Hollywood could make a film out of this thread
Well if they do, this site had better get 10% of the proceeds. :thumbs:
They can have anything over the cost of the rebuild of the car or 75%, which ever is greater!! :cheers:
Quote from: skip68 on February 12, 2009, 06:36:14 PM
There is new readers that only skim this so I keep it fresh so to speak and for other reasons as well. :cheers: Sorry Neal if it is getting old. Just ignore it. :cheers: Chuck...............
So far, I've chaulked it up to all talk & no discernable action. That's how it comes across, amigo.
:cheers:
Neal
Quote from: Neal_J on February 12, 2009, 06:46:25 PM
Quote from: skip68 on February 12, 2009, 06:36:14 PM
There is new readers that only skim this so I keep it fresh so to speak and for other reasons as well. :cheers: Sorry Neal if it is getting old. Just ignore it. :cheers: Chuck...............
So far, I've chaulked it up to all talk & no discernable action. That's how it comes across, amigo.
:cheers:
Neal
:2thumbs: Then it's working. ;)
:violin: :no: :musik010:
Do we get pictures today of the blasting job ? :popcrn:
One more thing Jeff. Is there any signs of the dash being removed ? From the windshield to the pad. I'm sure it is the same dash that came with the car and has never been out but I need to know. :2thumbs: Any pictures would be great. :yesnod:
I look forward to reading this every few days. Always something to shake my head in disbelief over. :rotz:
Quote from: skip68 on February 13, 2009, 10:07:58 AM
One more thing Jeff. Is there any signs of the dash being removed ? From the windshield to the pad. I'm sure it is the same dash that came with the car and has never been out but I need to know. :2thumbs: Any pictures would be great. :yesnod:
Hi -- The dash has definitely been out of the car.. (as per above) the pictures I posted recently show/explain that only ONE bolt was holding the dash in place.. In fact there's some evidence the dash had been painted , obviously with the VIN tag right on it.
I will have some new pictures over the weekend for sure!!!!
Ok guys.. Well, the only update I have on the car today is that the whole nose arrived.. All AMD parts. I was told they were very nice quality. I can't wait to see this thing together!!
Anyways, the car's still at the blaster's shop, and there should be some word on it's return tomorrow.
Lets say BK decided to make things right and pay back the money they recieved to build the car. Who do you think should get the money Brian Or Jeff? :shruggy:
JEFF! No question.
Quote from: mikepmcs on February 13, 2009, 06:16:24 PM
JEFF!
FOR SURE !! He's the one going through all the grief! Not just passing it on to the next guy (knowingly or not).
Quote from: Back N Black on February 13, 2009, 06:00:39 PM
Lets say BK decided to make things right and pay back the money they recieved to build the car. Who do you think should get the money Brian Or Jeff? :shruggy:
For Jeff! Just for the pain and suffering alone he should be compensated. :eek2:
:cheers:
Bullshit bro. He screwed you as bad as BK screwed him. You gonna rell me he never looked under the car? Or at anything else that was messed up? I don't buy it! I wouldn't give him a nickel. He got exactly what he deserved>>>negative 40,000 dollars. That's his penalty for screwing over a fellow human being. That lady KARMA? She's a bitch. My> :Twocents:
I don't agree Jeff. Brian deserves nothing. Due to the fact if he was a real man he would have handled this himself, Right after you brought all this to light in the very beginning. Assuming he never saw all this before he sold the car to you which I still find doubtful. Instead he passed the mess on to you, and has left it there. Offering little in the way of support along the way.
You could do with the money what you want to Jeff. I think you are just too nice a guy sometimes. :icon_smile_big:
Brian should get every penny he lost. And anyone else that got the shaft from BK should get something. There are others that just don't know what to do and think they can't do anything. I think that Jeff and Brian would have to square up with what they think is fair between them. My 10% :smilielol: I told you Jeff that this was not about money for me. If you are lucky to get anything or anything extra, put it towards a trip out here to Vegas so I can drive that bad boy. :drool5: :yesnod: :2thumbs: I agree that Jeff should get something, that's for sure. :yesnod: If BK gave all the money to Jeff, Jeff would have a car for next to nothing. That to me does not sound fair. :rotz: Not everyone knows how to fight, some people just don't have it in them. I can only hope that what we are doing will spread like fire and help lots of people. Not just the victims of BK, but anyone that has been screwed by a shop or is thinking about having a shop build a car. That's what I love about this thread, and that's why I'm doing this. :yesnod: Chuck..............
Quote from: skip68 on February 13, 2009, 08:54:36 PM
I can only hope that what we are doing will spread like fire
Yea, like
Hulk-A-Mania!!
I'd be pleased to see BK shut down. It seems unlikely that these geniuses have invested their care sale proceeds wisely so the discussion of who-gets-what-$$$ is likely moot.
I would not say that Jeff would have this car for next to nothing... The heartaches alone are worth tens of thousands..
Good point. ;) I guess that's the pain & suffering part.
Quote from: Steve P. on February 13, 2009, 09:43:46 PM
I would not say that Jeff would have this car for next to nothing... The heartaches alone are worth tens of thousands..
I agree, it's been heart wrenching watching this car get torn down to see EVERY INCH of it turn out to be garbage.. But, I don't want the car for nothing..
:cheers:
Quote from: skip68 on February 13, 2009, 08:54:36 PM
Brian should get every penny he lost. And anyone else that got the shaft from BK should get something. There are others that just don't know what to do and think they can't do anything.
I do agree that people should be compensated if they were wronged. BUT that is BRIAN'S responsibility. On top of the fact that I think he royally screwed Jeff, and there you have it. He is on his own. If he wants to go after them, then that's on him.
I think that Jeff and Brian would have to square up with what they think is fair between them. NO WAY my :Twocents:
My 10% :smilielol: I told you Jeff that this was not about money for me. If you are lucky to get anything or anything extra, put it towards a trip out here to Vegas so I can drive that bad boy. :drool5: :yesnod: :2thumbs: I agree that Jeff should get something, that's for sure. :yesnod: If BK gave all the money to Jeff, Jeff would have a car for next to nothing.
No he wouldn't Skip. He put tons of time and effort into this whole ordeal, and that alone is worth alot. If you broke it down by the hour, his time would be worth very little.
That to me does not sound fair. That would be fair. Retribution is what it's called. What's not fair is that Jeff bought a bucket, and got screwed in the deal. I can only hope that what we are doing will spread like fire and help lots of people. Not just the victims of BK, but anyone that has been screwed by a shop or is thinking about having a shop build a car. That's what I love about this thread, and that's why I'm doing this. [/color] :yesnod: Chuck..............
Do not think this an attack Chuck, I think you're great, but the world is not all peaches and cream. You don't get to sit back, screw someone, not help them, and expect to get anything. If Jeff does that that's on him, but no matter how you slice it, it aint right. A class action suit would be something else, but if that were to happen, Jeff should not be involved, as he should get his money outright. Furthermore, the true goal should be(which I think it is) shutting BK down so they cannot continue to operate in this manner. Again, you're awesome bro's. Cheers all around
Good point. That is so very true. If Jeff was awarded anything , then it should all be his. I'm just looking at it as if Brian was with Jeff on this. :cheers: Thanks teamroth.
No sweat Skip. You would be right if Brian was along for the ride, and helped Jeff in anyway, but at least from where I sit, that doesn't seem to be the case. oh BTW I am coming to Vegas in March.
:2thumbs: ;)
Coincidentally no, I am coming out for my birthday. March 11-15, flying home sunday. So I will just miss it. But we should definitely get a beer or seven, unless you don't drink, then we'll get 17 Dr. Peppers.
;)
that would be sweet!
I would still like to know WHO has the car that BRIAN was seeing in the pics. and thought was HIS CAR.... :icon_smile_blackeye:
Quote from: Steve P. on February 14, 2009, 01:52:04 AM
I would still like to know WHO has the car that BRIAN was seeing in the pics. and thought was HIS CAR.... :icon_smile_blackeye:
So would I.. I agree with what was said earlier, I think the "deadline" was coming up (if that's possible after taking 3 years to build this heap) and they cranked this thing out in a week.
I raised the question of who should get the money Brian or Jeff? Because there are 94 pages on BK but very little on Brian and Jeff's transaction, what did Brian tell you about the car to get you to drive to his house with a trailer in tow? How could you look at that car and not see the oblivious problems staring right in your face. 99% of the people we know would not have bought that car. I'm sure Brian could not get the car on the trailer fast enough when you said, I'll take it. I think you are doing the right thing by exposing BK for what they are but I think you should be after Brian for ripping you off. I don't think you gave BK a penny? Not sure on that. Again my :Twocents:
They must of built 2 of these, A nicer sanblasted one (nicer, if thats possible :scratchchin:) & then this POS. They only showed Pics of the nicer one but then sold Brian this POS. Switch a roo. Scam. :scratchchin: :brickwall: :slap:
Quote from: Back N Black on February 14, 2009, 10:36:18 AM
I raised the question of who should get the money Brian or Jeff? Because there are 94 pages on BK but very little on Brian and Jeff's transaction, what did Brian tell you about the car to get you to drive to his house with a trailer in tow? How could you look at that car and not see the oblivious problems staring right in your face. 99% of the people we know would not have bought that car. I'm sure Brian could not get the car on the trailer fast enough when you said, I'll take it. I think you are doing the right thing by exposing BK for what they are but I think you should be after Brian for ripping you off. I don't think you gave BK a penny? Not sure on that. Again my :Twocents:
I drove all the way to his house for the same reason that so many members here told me "if I have the $$, THIS is the car to buy". Because this car LOOKED amazing on BK's "restoration" picture page. I wasn't planning on being in this $$ range, but so many said it was "done right" and "the best for the $$", that I ASSumed I couldn't go wrong. As I've said 100X, I got there, he opened the door and I was absolutely awestruck by the Orange paint and (at least I think it's the way it happened) the car was mine from that moment forward.. The wife was trying to be my voice of reason, but I WAS NOT driving 12 hours home with an empty trailer.. That would have been a huge waste... Or would it :slap:
:cheers:
I can understand the pull of driving a long ways with intentions to buy a car and then not wanting to go home with an empty trailer. A few years ago I had an opportunity to buy back a 69 Charger I owned many years ago and I negotiated a price based on photos that were sent me. When I arrived at the location a days drive from my home, the car was worth barely a tenth of what we negotiated. Still, the urge to buy the car even though it was (in my case) such an obvious piece of complete and total junk (it would hardly have been of use even as a parts car) was huge. Incredibly huge. Luckily I was able to resist the temptation to buy it anyway and I came with an empty trailer and a very different story from yours.
Point being, I can understand the thing about not coming home without it.
Well Steve, we will have that info soon on who has the other car. ;) One thing I noticed is in all the pictures I"ve seen of your car Jeff, when it left BK's shop it had NO bars going from the rollbar to the floor. When was this done? The other thing I saw is that when I looked at all the pictures on BK's site of GL's several of them were the same car. I'm trying to locate a car that was sold and sent of all places to Las Vegas. :smilielol: When I do, I will be checking numbers. Can you imagine if I found the car that has the V.I.N. tag that matches your fender tag. :rofl: This will get very interesting to say the least.
Quote from: hemi-hampton on February 14, 2009, 10:36:53 AM
They must of built 2 of these, A nicer sanblasted one (nicer, if thats possible :scratchchin:) & then this POS. They only showed Pics of the nicer one but then sold Brian this POS. Switch a roo. Scam. :scratchchin: :brickwall: :slap:
I would say BK builds a "nice" car to document the process then sells a bunch of shoddy ones from that picture base. I would guess Brian and Jeff are not the only one to be presented with "photos" from that first build. Then receiving something differant.
The pics of the kid welding was on another car. At one time I could see 3 cars and maybe a 4th being built. We will find out. :yesnod: I can't say why but, at this point I think that there is 5 cars so far with numbers that have been played with. :yesnod:
Quote from: captnsim on February 14, 2009, 12:13:09 PM
Quote from: hemi-hampton on February 14, 2009, 10:36:53 AM
They must of built 2 of these, A nicer sanblasted one (nicer, if thats possible :scratchchin:) & then this POS. They only showed Pics of the nicer one but then sold Brian this POS. Switch a roo. Scam. :scratchchin: :brickwall: :slap:
I would say BK builds a "nice" car to document the process then sells a bunch of shoddy ones from that picture base. I would guess Brian and Jeff are not the only one to be presented with "photos" from that first build. Then receiving something differant.
Which is EXACTLY what HLPAG does.
Quote from: skip68 on February 14, 2009, 12:22:43 PM
The pics of the kid welding was on another car. At one time I could see 3 cars and maybe a 4th being built. We will find out. :yesnod: I can't say why but, at this point I think that there is 5 cars so far with numbers that have been played with. :yesnod:
:yesnod: The pictures of "my" car being sent do have a bar installed.. I kept the bar, too, because it's one of the worst piles of CRAP that I've ever seen!!
THIS photo, from the page, is definitely MY car. We know this because the rust (covered with Bondo) is in the exact same places:
(http://www.bkauto.net/media/images/GLg3.gif)
This is NOT my car, but on my page:
(http://www.bkauto.net/media/images/GLg10.gif)
This is NOT my car:
(http://www.bkauto.net/media/images/GLg17.gif)
I love this.. The useless bars under my hood are welded to the firewall and would snap like a carrot...
You could pick the entire car up by these braces.... not that you would want to, but you could. Or maybe you would want to, in which case your in luck... either way.(http://www.bkauto.net/media/images/GLg37.gif)
(http://www.bkauto.net/media/images/GLg38.gif)
Here's "my" car while they were test-fitting the engine, notice the A/C box sticking out?
(http://www.bkauto.net/media/images/GLg34.gif)
And here, it's masked so it didn't get painted over:
(http://www.bkauto.net/media/images/GLg42.gif)
Yet, here, it's gone, and was delivered to Brian that way with a pc of DYNAMAT covering the hole
(http://www.bkauto.net/media/images/glg47.gif)
Why yank that unit?? Why not ship it with the car?? Obviously because they needed one for another customer's car.. They told me on the phone it "wouldn't fit, and besides, Brian was putting in an aftermarket heat/ac unit".
Here's a shot where you can actually see the backside of the Dynamat painted Black:
(http://www.bkauto.net/media/images/glg170.gif)
::)
This is my interior. I can tell by the blue door:
(http://www.bkauto.net/media/images/glg91.gif)
And this shot was too, I can tell by the steering wheel and half assed paint job on the column where it was left 1/2 Black:
(http://www.bkauto.net/media/images/glg92.gif)
This is definitely mine, notice the missing dome light due to the fire hazard they cause:
(http://www.bkauto.net/media/images/glg153.gif)
:2thumbs: For some reason I thought I saw a picture months ago that had 2 cars missing the radiator supports. :shruggy: Maybe on BK's site ? :shruggy: If there is no front end damage, tell me, :scratchchin: what is the only reason you would ever cut that out and get rid of it ? :icon_smile_big:
And this one, I can tell is my "finished car" because of the sagging driver's door (no upper hinge) :brickwall:
(http://www.bkauto.net/media/images/glg171.gif)
I think on Hemi cars the wiper and blower motor where differant...for clearance issues.
Quote from: skip68 on February 14, 2009, 12:42:23 PM
:2thumbs: For some reason I thought I saw a picture months ago that had 2 cars missing the radiator supports. :shruggy: Maybe on BK's site ? :shruggy: If there is no front end damage, tell me, :scratchchin: what is the only reason you would ever cut that out and get rid of it ? :icon_smile_big:
I don't know. There are SEVERAL spots on the front end (sheet metal) support areas that are cut in the oddest places. Even the body shop said to me "WHY did they cut right there?!?!".
Engine swap. Lots of guys in the past found it easier to remove the engine if if the rad support was gone. It's more common that I'd like to admit.
Troy
Quote from: captnsim on February 14, 2009, 12:43:43 PM
I think on Hemi cars the wiper and blower motor where differant...for clearance issues.
but, with the engine out it would have been the perfect time to eliminate A/C all together and put a standard heat box in. Instead they shipped the car with no heater box, no lines and live power wires (with no harnesses) dangling under my dash. It was nice.
Quote from: Troy on February 14, 2009, 12:44:37 PM
Engine swap. Lots of guys in the past found it easier to remove the engine if if the rad support was gone. It's more common that I'd like to admit.
Troy
With that in mind, why not re-install after? Instead they pieced it back together (barely) and MADE the lower support. The radiator was zip tied to the "support" when Jon first got the car.
I think that Troy means this could have been done before BK got the car by someone else. :2thumbs:
Quote from: skip68 on February 14, 2009, 12:50:50 PM
I think that Troy means this could have been done before BK got the car by someone else. :2thumbs:
Possibly.. Here you can clearly see where they patched in a "new" support:
(http://www.bkauto.net/media/images/GLg24.gif)
I have an old B-body in my distant past that I cut the top of the support out for that very reason. Some time after I sold it I saw the car again and it had been returned to street duty and had that section patched back in. This was all well before the matching numbers mania but I can well imagine someone trying to document that poor Coronet today.
And you said the new support has no numbers on it Jeff ?
The one pic you show a tan car with gray primer blower motor & say it's not your car, Then in another Pic you show same car getting the Hemi Test fitted & say it is your car. I dont think the tan car was yours at all, thought it was blue instead of tan? Looks like he had 2 tan cars. A tan car & then a Tan Primered car unless his Tan Primered the tan car? LEON. :scratchchin: :shruggy:
Jeff, I would say Brian doesn't deserve to get squat. I also think BK needs to pay for more than the labor plus the aggravation that you have and had to going through in this mess.
Quote from: hemi-hampton on February 14, 2009, 01:31:44 PM
The one pic you show a tan car with gray primer blower motor & say it's not your car, Then in another Pic you show same car getting the Hemi Test fitted & say it is your car. I dont think the tan car was yours at all, thought it was blue instead of tan? Looks like he had 2 tan cars. A tan car & then a Tan Primered car unless his Tan Primered the tan car? LEON. :scratchchin: :shruggy:
Good point. I have no clue. If it's two different cars than they simply put these useless bars into more than one Charger.
Quote from: Marsh on February 14, 2009, 02:42:44 PM
Jeff, I would say Brian doesn't deserve to get squat. I also think BK needs to pay for more than the labor plus the aggravation that you have and had to going through in this mess.
The more I think about this, and see everyone's point of view here, the more I think you might be right. Brian did NOTHING to stand up for himself and simply passed this off for someone else to deal with. Then, when confronted about it he offers to help but never here, only in the form of sending me what BK sent him. Thanks for nothing!!
Quote from: jb666 on February 14, 2009, 12:45:15 PM
Quote from: captnsim on February 14, 2009, 12:43:43 PM
I think on Hemi cars the wiper and blower motor where differant...for clearance issues.
but, with the engine out it would have been the perfect time to eliminate A/C all together and put a standard heat box in. Instead they shipped the car with no heater box, no lines and live power wires (with no harnesses) dangling under my dash. It was nice.
Seeing the quality of thier work...I would say they tried to remove the blower motor because of the Hemi...Found out you have to take the cage fan off...and just ripped the heater box out to solve the issue.
Quote from: Back N Black on February 14, 2009, 10:36:18 AM
I raised the question of who should get the money Brian or Jeff? Because there are 94 pages on BK but very little on Brian and Jeff's transaction, what did Brian tell you about the car to get you to drive to his house with a trailer in tow? How could you look at that car and not see the oblivious problems staring right in your face. 99% of the people we know would not have bought that car. I'm sure Brian could not get the car on the trailer fast enough when you said, I'll take it. I think you are doing the right thing by exposing BK for what they are but I think you should be after Brian for ripping you off. I don't think you gave BK a penny? Not sure on that. Again my :Twocents:
Probably going out on a limb here being from out of state {read country}but I feel if the car was involved in any thing untoward { ie: proven to contribute to a death or deaths in an accident } the coroner doesn't car about previous owners all they are interested in is finding the cause of the accident or person or persons at fault or in this case negligence.If BK was shown to have worked at length {got his build tagg on it to prove this } surely a layperson can expect {not being a qualified mechanic } that the car is mechanically sound or at least mechanically sound enough to pass any state laws that exist or at least itemized anything that would need to be fixed in order of urgency.He has shown to be negligent because he has in all the time he had the car refused to make it safe or worse still gone out of his way to hide the fact that the car was not safe which I believe to be worse.The reason I say this is a relative in my home town comes across this all the time even though the purpose of the business is automatics.Customers continually complain that faults are not fixed even though permission was not given. In my opinion affixing that tagg is equivilent to an engineering cirtificate.IE this car is a product of BK auto and as such is deemed to be engineered to a standard.What that standard is,is yet to be determined and at this point in time the evidence has shown that BK doesan't have much of a standard.
anyway that's my upside down thought's lol
Well, thankfully no one was hurt/killed while driving this car. If so I would have been on the news telling this story (barring the fact that I wasn't the one killed) instead of here.
Had I filled the tank and taken off really hard the tank would have dropped out from under the car and exploded because of the sparks..... It gives me the chills thinking about it now because the day I went out with the wife we had my daughter in the back. The way BK made the "roll bar" in the car made it VERY difficult to get in/out of the back seat.. I can imagine , if the car was a rolling ball of flames, how quick she'd have been able to get out of there :flame: . Now, factor on top of that the rear lights being grounded to the gas tank and the tank leaking from every seal and 3 spots on TOP of the tank (where it rubbed BK's rivets from the floor pan) I AM LUCKY this car never got any serious road time. :angel:
Reminds me of the Time I was Driving home a 66 Chevelle I just bought. about 25 years ago in mid 80's. It's about 1:00 in morning on a school night. I'm Cruising down a big 8 lane road (8 mile road & telegraph) when I here a loud thud & then screaching scraping metal & sparks behind the car. I pull/coast over into a parking lot only to see it's my gas tank hanging behind the car still hanging by a rubber hose. Me & my buddy are thinking, WOW, Can't beleive all those sparks didn't blow us up. I'm driving a rolling time bomb & didn't know it. Real life is not like TV where everything is always blowing up so easy for Dramatic effect. LEON.
Though perhaps rude to register just to post on this thread. I was directed to this site via a New Zealand car forum (oldschool.co.nz) where the chap had been directed via the NZ Mopar Club forums (nzmoparforum.com) I have to say I was so taken aback by the whole thing that I wrote a small entry on my own blog about it, it's not much but it's at least contribution to getting the word out of just what to be looking out for.
My first disbelief is what this BK Auto guy refers to as cheap. Unreal. Especially as the saga progresses and you realize that none of the money seems to have been spent on it.
My condolences on the whole scenario jb666.
I won't post a link to my blog on here as I don't wish it to appear as any kind of advertising for my own site. It's a basic blurb that then links directly to page one of this thread.
It's good to see the car coming along so well. It reminds me a little of the mull saga, where a guy in Sweden (IIRC, possibly wrong.) bought a 240Z from the states quoted as being free of rust and upon getting stuck in, it was discovered the whole floor had been glassed over. Madness! Anyway, I'm dribbling on. Best of luck with your endaevours to rid the world of at least one charlaton and to bring a classic Charger back to the condition it deserves.
Quote from: kyteler on February 15, 2009, 08:19:04 PM
Though perhaps rude to register just to post on this thread. I was directed to this site via a New Zealand car forum (oldschool.co.nz) where the chap had been directed via the NZ Mopar Club forums (nzmoparforum.com) I have to say I was so taken aback by the whole thing that I wrote a small entry on my own blog about it, it's not much but it's at least contribution to getting the word out of just what to be looking out for.
My first disbelief is what this BK Auto guy refers to as cheap. Unreal. Especially as the saga progresses and you realize that none of the money seems to have been spent on it.
My condolences on the whole scenario jb666.
I won't post a link to my blog on here as I don't wish it to appear as any kind of advertising for my own site. It's a basic blurb that then links directly to page one of this thread.
It's good to see the car coming along so well. It reminds me a little of the mull saga, where a guy in Sweden (IIRC, possibly wrong.) bought a 240Z from the states quoted as being free of rust and upon getting stuck in, it was discovered the whole floor had been glassed over. Madness! Anyway, I'm dribbling on. Best of luck with your endaevours to rid the world of at least one charlaton and to bring a classic Charger back to the condition it deserves.
Hey, thanks for the support and the help spreading the word!! Feel free to post a link to your blog. What I'm doing is compiling all sorts of information for a web site I'm building, and part of that is an area showing links (from other sites) to this thread.
Thanks again!! :cheers: :cheers:
Direct link to it here.
Retro Pitfalls (http://blog.retro-classics.co.nz/?p=757)
It's not huge and I did yoink and re-host 3 pictures on my own photobucket, to give people the jist of the scenario without stealing bandwidth from anywhere else. If this is problematic let me know and I'll happily remove them.
Quote from: kyteler on February 15, 2009, 09:21:30 PM
Direct link to it here.
Retro Pitfalls (http://blog.retro-classics.co.nz/?p=757)
It's not huge and I did yoink and re-host 3 pictures on my own photobucket, to give people the jist of the scenario without stealing bandwidth from anywhere else. If this is problematic let me know and I'll happily remove them.
Nice, thank you for spreading the word!! :cheers: :cheers:
Glad to see this is getting around the world. The big name and fame that Thomas Schubert wanted for his company is now getting there and I'm all to glad to help. I got home last night from visiting with VegasMike, and right before I went to bed at 1:30 in the morning I checked this and there was 9 guest looking at this thread. :2thumbs: This thread has been read by Thousands and still growing like fire. I LOVE IT ...
You know, I was just going through some of my saved documents and came upon Brian's original ad where he was selling the car (here). The more I read this the more I believe he DID screw me over intentionally.. How could anyone who's had this car sitting in their garage for 6-8 weeks possibly believe what he wrote?? You decide:
69 Charger General Lee Hemi Clone / Tribute car
Original 383 hp /ac car.
Car was built with all new components.
New 472 Hemi Mopar engine
new built 727 trans
new steering box
new Hemi suspension
sub frame connectors and engine bracing
new strange dana 60 rear and drive shaft
tti ceramic coated polished headers
new power 4 wheel disk brakes
Demon carb
high performance mini starter
march serpentine pulleys
aluminum radiator with dual electric fans
3 inch exhaust with x pipe and chrome tips, sounds like a NASCAR!
new interior and lots more. Too much to list. Everything in and on car is new. 600hp and built to use it.
I also have a very nice cobra 78 CB radio and real teardrop antenna that will go with the car.
car is very nice, . if you know of anybody interested feel free to pass it on. to see car being built go to http://www.bkauto.net/GL119.htm
vehicle is located in Maryland.
$45,000 OBO, motivated seller.
bjflstn@aol.com
::)
Then two weeks after putting the ad up, he bumped it with this:
push bar and decals can be easily removed, time 2 sell!
I would have LOVED to see someone try to remove the decals "easily". That would have been classic.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/parts_025Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/parts_024Medium.jpg)
Jeff, he DID NOT LIE. :flame: They were easy to remove. :smilielol: :rofl: :rofl: ;) See how easy they came off. :slap: :icon_smile_big:
Quote from: skip68 on February 15, 2009, 10:32:09 PM
Jeff, he DID NOT LIE. :flame: They were easy to remove. :smilielol: :rofl: :rofl: ;) See how easy they came off. :slap: :icon_smile_big:
You beat me to it Chuck! :smilielol:
They did come off easy, JUST not how you wanted them to was all. They bought paint up along with them as while.
Glad to see you coming to your senses Jeff. :2thumbs:
Quote from: captnsim on February 16, 2009, 12:52:13 PM
Glad to see you coming to your senses Jeff. :2thumbs:
:cheers:
Hey Jeff, I just wanted to tell you, that I posted your story on the danish www.moparclub.dk forum a couple of minutes ago, and I also found it on www.smallblock.dk.
Your story is really going around the world.. :2thumbs:
Quote from: Marck on February 16, 2009, 02:45:34 PM
Hey Jeff, I just wanted to tell you, that I posted your story on the danish www.moparclub.dk forum a couple of minutes ago, and I also found it on www.smallblock.dk.
Your story is really going around the world.. :2thumbs:
EXCELLENT, thank you!!! :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
i think you screwed yourself over and to dumb to admit it. don't you ever get tired of blaming everyone for your big mistake? the other 2 just seen you coming .then you are rebuilding it again and what are you going to have when its done? a very nasty rust bucket with over $100,000 in it and 90 pages of letting the whole world know that they need to stay away from this whatever it is.other then that whats new?
Another non-interested party feeling the need to speak. If your not interested, move along.
Hey Jeff, have they blasted yet? And if so, why haven't you posted pics yet? :shruggy: :icon_smile_big:
Quote from: jerry on February 16, 2009, 10:32:40 PM
i think you screwed yourself over and to dumb to admit it. don't you ever get tired of blaming everyone for your big mistake? the other 2 just seen you coming .then you are rebuilding it again and what are you going to have when its done? a very nasty rust bucket with over $100,000 in it and 90 pages of letting the whole world know that they need to stay away from this whatever it is.other then that whats new?
I think Jeff fixed all the rust...hence all the pictures for people who don't like to read.
Quote from: captnsim on February 16, 2009, 10:47:24 PM
Quote from: jerry on February 16, 2009, 10:32:40 PM
i think you screwed yourself over and to dumb to admit it. don't you ever get tired of blaming everyone for your big mistake? the other 2 just seen you coming .then you are rebuilding it again and what are you going to have when its done? a very nasty rust bucket with over $100,000 in it and 90 pages of letting the whole world know that they need to stay away from this whatever it is.other then that whats new?
I think Jeff fixed all the rust...hence all the pictures for people who don't like to read.
And you're right, the rust is all history!! But it's ok, the "other 2 seen me coming". BK must have been psychic. :lol:
Quote from: General_01 on February 16, 2009, 10:40:45 PM
Another non-interested party feeling the need to speak. If your not interested, move along.
Hey Jeff, have they blasted yet? And if so, why haven't you posted pics yet? :shruggy: :icon_smile_big:
This is true, guys.. He's got a point, but I've admitted I screwed myself 100X here.
As for new pics, I don't have any yet. The car's still at the blasters.
Oh, I know you've admitted it. That's why I said "another non-interested party" because he is not interested enough to read what you have said numerous times. And this isn't the first time he has posted here. His only interest is to continually point out that you got what you deserved, so to speak.
Jerry, next time you feel the need to comment, make it a useful comment. And only do so after reading AND understanding what has been posted. If your to lazy to read or are just going to spew the same garbage, swallow hard and slowly remove your fingers from the keyboard area.
;)
:smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol:
;)
Chuck, your funny man! :smilielol:
;)
Quote from: skip68 on February 17, 2009, 02:16:29 AM
There you go Jerry. ;) I went way out of my way to make extra sure that Jeff and everyone here can see the point that you are making. With 97 pages and over 25,000 views, Did I miss something here ? If I remember right, I think this was covered on page one. (1) :yesnod: If you are a little slow Jerry I am sorry and I will try my best to not offend you. :pity: I guess you posting without reading is the same as Jeff buying without looking. ;) Funny how these things can happen. ;) I really am sorry, it's just that I figure that all our readers have past the first word in the first post on the first page. :cheers: You know, Why do I have the feeling that for some reason we have had this discussion with you before Jerry ? :rotz: :cheers:
:rofl: MY GOD that little rant has me rolling! Good one, Chuck.
Ok, I have to go back to my cave now. I really get tired of dragging my wife around by her hair. They are thinking of using me for the next series of Geico insurance commercials since the ape-man isn't available.
;)
No, no, no. Jerry has made false statements. That's what the problem is. He says this car when it's done will be a very nasty rust bucket with over $100,000 in it. :shruggy: That is so far from the truth. This car will be like brand new and is being built right before our eyes. He says Jeff is to dumb to admit that he screwed himself which is wrong as well. Jeff has said all along since day one that he should have looked at the car closer and that part is his fault. Those were statements by Jerry, not opinions, that I just proved to be wrong. If Jerry wants to keep coming and speaking his opinion that is fine and I welcome it, he has every right to. But, if Jerry or anyone makes a false statement I'm going to correct it if I can. I even have to correct my own statements if they are wrong and I have done that before. Like I've said before, not all the readers are reading every post. They are skimming over it. I do not want them to read anything that is not correct. This shows that you MUST read before you post. If you continue to not read everything and make false post then you are open for correction. :cheers: Chuck...............
But Jerry never has anything nice to say. Ever. He must have the only perfectly rust free car in existence because he's certainly all over anyone who has to do any rust repair at all. I mean, surely there are perfectly preserved cars everywhere you look? Right? Bueller? He has the same attitude about nearly everything (not just sheet metal) of course. Perhaps some advice would be welcomed from someone with so much knowledge but, alas, all we get are insults.
Troy
triple 6 might have gotten the non reach-around treatment, but he manned up and fixed it right so its all good.
You know that I have been reading this thread from the begining, I actually posted way back when I started off reading because of Jeff's situation and I was interested. I felt bad, because I know how it is to be blinded by the orange paint. I commend him for admitting he was wrong and trying to fix it, but I stayed to see how the car would come out and what else would turn up from BK.
Then came Chuck, and boy did he ever. I think now I read to see how the car is coming along, and to see what else Chuck will say. If you can get past all the emodicons, then there is some pretty funny stuff. :2thumbs: :nana: :lol: :cheers: :popcrn: :icon_smile_big: :yesnod:.
I will continue to check in everyday, because if I dont 10 pages will get added and I would get totally lost.
Keep up the good work Jeff, and keep us entertained Chuck!
Thanks guys!! I wish I had an update for today, but DO NOT WORRY, by Saturday there will be some new pictures up here!!
And nope, none of my AMD panels came with rust.. Such a shame, I was really hoping to have the only $100k rusty car here. :hah: . Even the new frame rails/floors I got were rust free. I'll try harder next time.
I guess AMD didn't "seen me coming".
It's funny listening to people like Jerry who look at the world through rose colored glasses and live in a big bubble.. Got news for ya, Jerry, after reading all of your posts on this forum, I think you need to work on the old personality. You remind me of a blood blister I had once, but even that went away. :cheers:
Quote from: jb666 on February 17, 2009, 07:11:58 PM
Thanks guys!! I wish I had an update for today, but DO NOT WORRY, by Saturday there will be some new pictures up here!!
And nope, none of my AMD panels came with rust.. Such a shame, I was really hoping to have the only $100k rusty car here. :hah: . Even the new frame rails/floors I got were rust free. I'll try harder next time.
I guess AMD didn't "seen me coming".
It's funny listening to people like Jerry who look at the world through rose colored glasses and live in a big bubble.. Got news for ya, Jerry, after reading all of your posts on this forum, I think you need to work on the old personality. You remind me of a blood blister I had once, but even that went away. :cheers:
Thanks for letting me know. I was gonna check on his posts myself but you and Troy summed it up. Now I don't have to waste my time......So how much of the car are you having blasted?
Quote from: The70RT on February 17, 2009, 07:49:45 PM
Quote from: jb666 on February 17, 2009, 07:11:58 PM
Thanks guys!! I wish I had an update for today, but DO NOT WORRY, by Saturday there will be some new pictures up here!!
And nope, none of my AMD panels came with rust.. Such a shame, I was really hoping to have the only $100k rusty car here. :hah: . Even the new frame rails/floors I got were rust free. I'll try harder next time.
I guess AMD didn't "seen me coming".
It's funny listening to people like Jerry who look at the world through rose colored glasses and live in a big bubble.. Got news for ya, Jerry, after reading all of your posts on this forum, I think you need to work on the old personality. You remind me of a blood blister I had once, but even that went away. :cheers:
Thanks for letting me know. I was gonna check on his posts myself but you and Troy summed it up. Now I don't have to waste my time......So how much of the car are you having blasted?
The cowl, the doors(and jams), the roof, the upper rear quarters and the trunk lid inside/out. It was going to the booth on Friday, so if all goes well it should be back at the shop (it might be already) today, but I can't say for sure. It could have been done without this step, but it wouldn't have been done right, and I don't want the paint blistering through in a year.
:cheers: Thanks ac_knight. I'll be here all week. I've got nothing to add at this point far as BK Automotive goes. So in the mean time, I'm sorry if I pop off with a few jokes. I think it helps to get a "chuckle" from time to time.
Quote from: skip68 on February 17, 2009, 07:59:48 PM
I think it helps to get a "chuckle" from time to time.
I'm gonna call you "chuckles" from now on... :coolgleamA: :rofl:
Hey! If you had a rock 'n' roll band, and they were called the Cookies, you'd be known as Chuck 'n' His Cookies.
(Say it out loud. :D )
All right. Back to our regularly scheduled program.
Can't wait to see it Jeff. :2thumbs:
Chuckles... :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol:
:bump:
look I found a pic of Jerry :silly:
Any updates Jeff?
I just got a call from the body shop!!
1. The grille has been completely rebuilt. It had a total of 16 breaks. The grille was obviously bought on EBay because inside there were tiny pcs of Styrofoam. It's 100% now, and in primer. I'll have pictures later.
2. The car's done at the blaster's shop. He will be there at roughly 4:45 to pick it up!!!!!!!
I should have some pictures tonight.
The ONLY PANEL that Jon didn't replace has been declared trash. The rear/tail light panel.
Well that should be the last of the BK surprises... :yesnod:
Yep! It's all good news from here, I suppose... Nothing LEFT to find!!!!! :flame:
How can I keep hating BK with no new news... :'(
I know Jeff, but we still have other surprises to look forward to. If you know what I mean ? :naughty: I will be waiting for the pictures too.
I'm glad your here Chuck. You always remind me of the good things in life. :D
;)
Step away from my Corona man...
Quote from: captnsim on February 18, 2009, 04:35:16 PM
How can I keep hating BK with no new news... :'(
Now THAT made me laugh out loud... :smilielol:
Quote from: jb666 on February 18, 2009, 04:23:57 PM
I just got a call from the body shop!!
1. The grille has been completely rebuilt. It had a total of 16 breaks. The grille was obviously bought on EBay because inside there were tiny pcs of Styrofoam. It's 100% now, and in primer. I'll have pictures later.
2. The car's done at the blaster's shop. He will be there at roughly 4:45 to pick it up!!!!!!!
I should have some pictures tonight.
The ONLY PANEL that Jon didn't replace has been declared trash. The rear/tail light panel.
Just 16? ::)
And in the company's defense, that styrofoam could have been confetti residue--you know--when the car sold they threw a party, and used shredded styrofoam to toss up in the air. They tried tossing intake manifolds like that but they kept denting the cars in the shop, which is where the
mud & primer on finished paintwork method came from. :P
Quote from: Stanleyart on February 18, 2009, 06:27:07 PM
Quote from: jb666 on February 18, 2009, 04:23:57 PM
I just got a call from the body shop!!
1. The grille has been completely rebuilt. It had a total of 16 breaks. The grille was obviously bought on EBay because inside there were tiny pcs of Styrofoam. It's 100% now, and in primer. I'll have pictures later.
2. The car's done at the blaster's shop. He will be there at roughly 4:45 to pick it up!!!!!!!
I should have some pictures tonight.
The ONLY PANEL that Jon didn't replace has been declared trash. The rear/tail light panel.
Just 16? ::)
And in the company's defense, that styrofoam could have been confetti residue--you know--when the car sold they threw a party, and used shredded styrofoam to toss up in the air. They tried tossing intake manifolds like that but they kept denting the cars in the shop, which is where the mud & primer on finished paintwork method came from. :P
:cheers:
BK's Maginot line defence is more like it.
So, a nice engine, axle and exhaust, all of which was not from BK is okay. Is there one thing that BK did right or good in this build ? :shruggy: I'm NOT defending BK at all when I ask this. Call it a game if you will. Can any of us see anything that we can honestly say was done the right way and good ? The only thing I can say is that in the pictures it looks like they block sanded it smooth. Oh, they washed it good too.
Quote from: skip68 on February 18, 2009, 09:00:29 PM
So, a nice engine, axle and exhaust, all of which was not from BK is okay. Is there one thing that BK did right or good in this build ? :shruggy: I'm NOT defending BK at all when I ask this. Call it a game if you will. Can any of us see anything that we can honestly say was done the right way and good ? The only thing I can say is that in the pictures it looks like they block sanded it smooth. Oh, they washed it good too.
Ok. Let's analyze your statement.
Engine - They screwed up the pickup and destroyed the oil pan/gasket. The ONLY parts of the motor they touched.
Axle - They removed the rear diff cover for some reason and killed it re-installing it. I think they used the same hammer drill on this that they did on the oil pan.
Exhaust - I THOUGHT that was nice, but when it was flat on the ground it was NOT flat. It had to be straightened out, courtesy of Jon.
Got anything else? :icon_smile_big:
okay, give me a minute :scratchchin:
I got it ! The seat belts. I bet they are good.
The Glass!?
Nope...BK ground the back glass to fit!!!
I think this will show just how sad this is. We can point out all the bad and Jeff can post all the pictures and give details on the bad too. But what I really want to see is can we (anyone and you to BK) honestly say there is some sign of quality work anywhere ? Take money out of the picture completely. Put all the bad that we've heard about BK aside and give it your best honest shot. :rotz:
In all actual honesty, I think their best and most talented effort is in being con artists. Between conning Brian, then bullying him into further debt, trying to con us here, lying to Jeff, threatening Jeff and from the sounds of it repeating this crap with several other customers, I think that is their true talent.
:2guns: mounting the tires??? :shruggy: smoothing bondo...He seemed to do that right :yesnod: Oh he put the hood seal on right!!!! :2thumbs: Go BK!!!!
:smilielol: Light bulbs. :shruggy: They did put the light bulbs in right didn't they ?
Quote from: skip68 on February 18, 2009, 10:40:29 PM
:smilielol: Light bulbs. :shruggy: They did put the light bulbs in right didn't they ?
I don't know...can you bondo bulbs in???? :shruggy:
I hate to throw 'em a bone, but the shiny orange paint was pretty enough.... not that it would have lasted, though.
Jeff,
Finished reading all of this... 100 pages almost... wow. I have to give you credit for sticking with it in spite of the nay-say'ers and all of the challenges you have come across. Also looks like you have some new friends thru this :2thumbs:
To me, this is much more of a meaningful and significant build than the BarrelCuda... I think you should put some kind of special touches to your General Lee to make it stand out above the others... something subtle.
It is quite easy to see your passion about the car and desire to get it done. A lot of us can tell you have a very stand up personality - you haven't really lashed out in anger (which FREAKING amazes me - many of us wanted to drive down and give them a good 'ole arse whooping behind the shed).
I may of missed it - but did you find anything wrong with the unibody itself from a collision/alignment issue? How about the K-frame/etc.? Are you going to repair or replace the hacked one?
Now, We NEED more pics ! :drool5:
Quote from: GT on February 18, 2009, 11:26:02 PM
Jeff,
Finished reading all of this... 100 pages almost... wow. I have to give you credit for sticking with it in spite of the nay-say'ers and all of the challenges you have come across. Also looks like you have some new friends thru this :2thumbs:
To me, this is much more of a meaningful and significant build than the BarrelCuda... I think you should put some kind of special touches to your General Lee to make it stand out above the others... something subtle.
It is quite easy to see your passion about the car and desire to get it done. A lot of us can tell you have a very stand up personality - you haven't really lashed out in anger (which FREAKING amazes me - many of us wanted to drive down and give them a good 'ole arse whooping behind the shed).
I may of missed it - but did you find anything wrong with the unibody itself from a collision/alignment issue? How about the K-frame/etc.? Are you going to repair or replace the hacked one?
Now, We NEED more pics ! :drool5:
Hey, thanks! I've never been the guy in the crowd with the calm way of dealing with things.. Always the hot-head, so it's good to hear I'm portraying myself as a calm rational person here!! Maybe there is hope for me yet!!
Anyways, no signs of collision, thanks God. As for the K-Frame, it was jocked. Cut, jagged, butched. Jon fixed it and it's as good as new now.
Speaking of as good as new.. Check out these before & after shots of my grille. WOW!!!!!!!!!
Here's the blurb from the body shop:
Jeff first four photos show the how BK left the grille, the 5 & 6 show plastic welding repairs, last photo shows in primerKeep in mind, he found/noted 16 breaks on this grille.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/genrallee010Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/genrallee011Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/genrallee012Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/genrallee013Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/genrallee014Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/genrallee015Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/genrallee016Medium.jpg)
WOW! Jeff, what can't your guys undo or accomplish? Once a website shows up featuring the former Weiner King car, and all the before and after shots, their business should increase I would think.
Now I want to see more damage, just so I can see how well they'd problem solve and fix it! (Not really, but you know what I mean.)
Wow....your guys are awesome :2thumbs:
Quote from: Stanleyart on February 19, 2009, 07:53:53 AM
WOW! Jeff, what can't your guys undo or accomplish? Once a website shows up featuring the former Weiner King car, and all the before and after shots, their business should increase I would think.
Now I want to see more damage, just so I can see how well they'd problem solve and fix it! (Not really, but you know what I mean.)
I'll get some shots of their other projects this weekend. You'll be impressed. This car is a cake-walk to them compared to the other cars/trucks/bikes in there.
Quote from: The70RT on February 19, 2009, 07:58:44 AM
Wow....your guys are awesome :2thumbs:
They really are. Now I'm getting excited to see this really moving along!!
Well, I just got the FINAL "bad news" phone call. The shop called to "warn" me in case I was to stop down in the next day or two. Upon returning from the blaster's shop, they did a thorough inspection. The words he used were "I can not believe the devastation BK just covered up, they should be in jail for doing this. Don't panic, NOTHING on this car is unrepairable, I just didn't want you do be shocked when you saw it".
OH JOY. I guess the rear tail light panel is completely rotted off the car. This doesn't surprise me with the condition of the rear end, and to be honest I should have just had Jon do it while he was replacing the entire back end.. So that's my fault.
But the roof, upper rear quarters, doors, posts.. COVERED with pin holes and cancer.
The good news is it's nothing they haven't seen before and I am 100% confident in the fact that this will be as good as new.. But I've been told I'll have some 'pretty horrifying' pictures to post up later.
:popcrn:
:pity:
:popcrn: :popcrn: :popcrn: :popcrn: :popcrn: :popcrn:
Quote from: Stanleyart on February 19, 2009, 07:53:53 AM
Now I want to see more damage, just so I can see how well they'd problem solve and fix it! (Not really, but you know what I mean.)
I really REALLY was kidding.
Auh--ahhh. Those guys--I just don't know what to say.
Quote from: Stanleyart on February 19, 2009, 09:14:21 AM
Quote from: Stanleyart on February 19, 2009, 07:53:53 AM
Now I want to see more damage, just so I can see how well they'd problem solve and fix it! (Not really, but you know what I mean.)
I really REALLY was kidding.
Auh--ahhh. Those guys--I just don't know what to say.
Neither do I. I really hoped it was going to come back from the blasters with nothing more than pin-holes.. Not in need of serious repair, but am I surprised? No.
DAM. that's depressing and its not even my car! :brickwall: :flame:
Its good that it can be fixed but unfortunate as you say that it didn't get taken care of before.
Keep your spirits up! Its been a long road and it seems you are nearing the end. I don't think there is anything else that hasn't been opened up and inspected yet so I hope you are good to go. :2thumbs:
Bryan
Quote from: bakerhillpins on February 19, 2009, 09:59:23 AM
DAM. that's depressing and its not even my car! :brickwall: :flame:
Its good that it can be fixed but unfortunate as you say that it didn't get taken care of before.
Keep your spirits up! Its been a long road and it seems you are nearing the end. I don't think there is anything else that hasn't been opened up and inspected yet so I hope you are good to go. :2thumbs:
Bryan
Bryan,
You are so right... That's just what the shop said, too.. That there CAN'T be any more surprises and to look on the bright side. It's been a long road, and I'll be honest with you, I'm really wishing I didn't buy this car at this point. Nothing on it was done right and NOTHING can be left as BK did it. Very discouraging.
To all you readers, take note. If you have a BK car, DO NOT TRY AND REBUILD IT. Please contact Jeff or I. We may be able to help you. Your privacy will be protected and I have some people in Houston that would be happy to talk with you. You DO NOT need to be a resident of the U.S. as I know several of you are not. Just send us a pm with a brief detail of your car and copy of any contract with BK Automotive. You may black out names and addresses but please leave dates and V.I.N. numbers and a way that we can contact you. Thank you. Chuck..............
I have continued to follow this through all 100 pages. Jeff, just when I thought and hoped that you might see some light at the end of the tunnel I cannot believe the crap that sets you back.
I would be sure to have lost it by now. I commend you for sticking with your project and even more for standing up for what you believe in. My dad and I have rebuilt several cars and sold them. I cannot fathom how someone with a conscience could let this roll out of their shop and say it was road worthy or even up to factory standards. What I still cannot figure out is the lack of depth that someone else had to sell it to you with an inkling that there might be problems with the car even if he did not know to what extent the car was damaged.
All I can say is your guys have done an excellent job and you should be proud of your project. Thank you for taking a stand. If there is anything that I can help with, please feel free to contact me.
The other fact that really I love with all of this is this. When this car is done it will be done correctly and I bet it will be done for close to half of what BK charged. That will be another fine point that the world can see as to the quality of work that you get with BK Automotive or the other 3-4 names they have for themselves. :rotz:
Wow Jeff :icon_smile_angry: ...I really thought you was over the bad news part. :flame: This has got to be about it.
Nice repair on that grill. That will save you some money. :yesnod: Looks like he uses a filler and plastic welding rod...Any chance finding out what brand?
How are they going to fix the pin holes in the body?? Thinking I may be fixing some myself... :scratchchin:
Quote from: captnsim on February 19, 2009, 11:43:47 AM
Wow Jeff :icon_smile_angry: ...I really thought you was over the bad news part. :flame: This has got to be about it.
Nice repair on that grill. That will save you some money. :yesnod: Looks like he uses a filler and plastic welding rod...Any chance finding out what brand?
How are they going to fix the pin holes in the body?? Thinking I may be fixing some myself... :scratchchin:
I don't know, but I will find out for you.
And yes, I think (unless they came from a donor car) you will definitely be looking at what I'll be looking at (once I see my car) as far as repair goes...
What push bar are you going to use. ? A member here makes them but I can't remember his name. :brickwall:
Quote from: skip68 on February 19, 2009, 11:48:38 AM
What push bar are you going to use. ? A member here makes them but I can't remember his name. :brickwall:
The bar I have is series-correct and will be re-installed STRAIGHT.
;)
Wide.
Well I just read all 99 pages of this saga and it is almost so unbelievable what kind of car BK built at 1st I thought this was all fiction.
I got to say the work NOW being done to your car looks awesome, you deserve tons of credit for how you are handling it and sticking to your project. Personally if I had bought that car and found out all the stuff you have I would have:
1. cried
2. removed the engine, rearend and exhaust and replaced them with cheap units
3. loaded up the car and hauled it to houston
4. filed the gas tank of the car to about 3/4 full
5. lined the car up with a nice straight shot at BK's shop
6. start the car, put a brick on the gas pedal and put it in gear
7. drive away as that rolling death trap they built hurtled into the building probably exploding on contact
But then my biggest worry would be that it wouldn't explode and they would just salvage it, replace a bit of bondo and sell it to someone else.
Ok I wouldn't do that but it does make a nice dream.
I'm going to try to follow this thread and you have support from alot of ppl out there. BTW I dont currently own a charger but my 1st car was a '71 charger 500 that when I bought it had spent many yrs being a yr round driver in Minnesota and it had less rust then that car did.
This has to set a record for the longest thread in history :rofl:
It's a shame people with a business like this can't easily be held accountable for there actions. It takes to much money to put them in there place, so it goes on and on.
And I hope this thread gets longer.. It just means that the word's being spread about BK Auto, and I hope Brian never sells a car again, but most of all, I hope I NEVER BUY ONE AGAIN :rofl: because this has clearly shown me that I can't trust my judgement.
I tell ya, RS2371, I've thought about those things.. But I'd rather follow through with this legally. It'll be more beneficial in the end. Sure, it might FEEL good going your route, but it would put me at their level.
Plus the gas tank would have fallen out way before the car got near BK...
Quote from: captnsim on February 19, 2009, 01:35:44 PM
Plus the gas tank would have fallen out way before the car got near BK...
That minor technicality may have flawed my plan as well. :cheers:
Quote from: RS23 71 on February 19, 2009, 11:56:45 AM
Well I just read all 99 pages of this saga and it is almost so unbelievable what kind of car BK built at 1st I thought this was all fiction.
I got to say the work NOW being done to your car looks awesome, you deserve tons of credit for how you are handling it and sticking to your project. Personally if I had bought that car and found out all the stuff you have I would have:
1. cried
2. removed the engine, rearend and exhaust and replaced them with cheap units
3. loaded up the car and hauled it to houston
4. filed the gas tank of the car to about 3/4 full
5. lined the car up with a nice straight shot at BK's shop
6. start the car, put a brick on the gas pedal and put it in gear
7. drive away as that rolling death trap they built hurtled into the building probably exploding on contact
But then my biggest worry would be that it wouldn't explode and they would just salvage it, replace a bit of bondo and sell it to someone else.
Ok I wouldn't do that but it does make a nice dream.
I'm going to try to follow this thread and you have support from alot of ppl out there. BTW I dont currently own a charger but my 1st car was a '71 charger 500 that when I bought it had spent many yrs being a yr round driver in Minnesota and it had less rust then that car did.
you need a ramp in this senario to jump the car into the building :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol:
You guys do realize you got 100 pages of.........stuff written down here...... don't you and Chuck have sore knuckles? :lol:
Sorry for the offtopic but hey once every 100 pages it won't hurt anyone....
Quote from: six-tee-nine on February 19, 2009, 03:37:47 PM
You guys do realize you got 100 pages of.........stuff written down here...... don't you and Chuck have sore knuckles? :lol:
Sorry for the offtopic but hey once every 100 pages it won't hurt anyone....
My knuckles hurt, my head hurts (from ramming it against my wall) and my eyes hurt from looking at all this crap.
So I guess my answer is yeah, I know it :lol:
Yes, my eyes are tired. This is like a car wreck, you just can't look away.
When this is over Jeff, I want to post the emails I got. :yesnod: You know, the ones we were talking about today. :yesnod: I think everything should be shown when the time is right. It will give the readers something good for a change.
I agree. Right now it looks like a lot of the "all bark no bite" syndrome. If I was a reader of this thread I'd sit back and think "These guys are full of sh*t!!", but the bottom line is there's a lot we can't (legally) discuss, but THE DAY WILL COME!!
You better becareful when battling the Black Knight... we all know how it could turn out. :lol:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhRUe-gz690 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhRUe-gz690)
Quote from: RS23 71 on February 19, 2009, 04:14:19 PM
You better becareful when battling the Black Knight... we all know how it could turn out. :lol:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhRUe-gz690 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhRUe-gz690)
:D
So, the first guy was Brian and we have to start calling Jeff, "King?"
BK: "All right. We'll call it a draw." :smilielol:
I think at this point most know that something is going on.
Quote from: 68pplcharger on February 19, 2009, 12:03:37 PM
It's a shame people with a business like this can't easily be held accountable for there actions. It takes to much money to put them in there place, so it goes on and on.
I want all the readers to know that there are ways of dealing with these shops. It does take time but when we finish we will post the steps so others will know how to deal with these shops as well.
The thread is definitely a good thing for informing people of these crooks.
It's to bad there is not a way to attach a pop up that attaches itself to there name and/or address so when they try to sell a car the pop up warns the perspective buyer and lists the reasons why.
Quote from: 68pplcharger on February 19, 2009, 05:28:06 PM
The thread is definitely a good thing for informing people of these crooks.
It's to bad there is not a way to attach a pop up that attaches itself to there name and/or address so when they try to sell a car the pop up warns the perspective buyer and lists the reasons why.
There is... Google :icon_smile_big: .
BTW guys, I have some (nasty) pictures coming my way tonight... I can hardly wait... Then on Saturday I'll have a boatload to put up.
Can't wait :popcrn:
Quote from: jb666 on February 19, 2009, 05:58:31 PM
...........BTW guys, I have some (nasty) pictures coming my way tonight... I can hardly wait... Then on Saturday I'll have a boatload to put up.
how could they be worse than this grill repair? Judast H. Priest! wtf! and any other expletive that denotes my shock and dismay! Did they take a dump on this and add some bondo hardener to it? clearly not shocking anymore to see this type of thing...it's like finding out that Hitler was a bad tipper on top of all of the other stuff he did.
Quote from: dkn1997 on February 19, 2009, 06:34:13 PM
Quote from: jb666 on February 19, 2009, 05:58:31 PM
...........BTW guys, I have some (nasty) pictures coming my way tonight... I can hardly wait... Then on Saturday I'll have a boatload to put up.
how could they be worse than this grill repair? Judast H. Priest! wtf! and any other expletive that denotes my shock and dismay! Did they take a dump on this and add some bondo hardener to it? clearly not shocking anymore to see this type of thing...it's like finding out that Hitler was a bad tipper on top of all of the other stuff he did.
:rofl: Now THAT'S funny!!! I can't top that one!!!
Jeff, I know that this is on your nickel and all, but I have to ask...are you getting to the point where they call you or send you more pics and you actually start laughing? I know it's not really funny, but the sheer absurdity of it!
Anyway, kudos to you man! your holding your head high in spite of how the previous owner and BK shafted you and you haven't gotten petty or whiney once. When your time comes and you are inline at the pearly gates, just give St. Peter a link to this thread. you may even get a "WTF?" out of him.
Quote from: dkn1997 on February 19, 2009, 06:42:57 PM
Jeff, I know that this is on your nickel and all, but I have to ask...are you getting to the point where they call you or send you more pics and you actually start laughing? I know it's not really funny, but the sheer absurdity of it!
Anyway, kudos to you man! your holding your head high in spite of how the previous owner and BK shafted you and you haven't gotten petty or whiney once. When your time comes and you are inline at the pearly gates, just give St. Peter a link to this thread. you may even get a "WTF?" out of him.
:smilielol: Too funny!!!
Anyways, as for the calls and the laughter.. That was happening back when the car was at Jon's shop.. He'd call and say "Welp...." and I would just start laughing,because I KNEW it would be followed up with a "you won't believe what I found TODAY!!".
:lol:
Quote from: dkn1997 on February 19, 2009, 06:42:57 PM
Jeff, I know that this is on your nickel and all, but I have to ask...are you getting to the point where they call you or send you more pics and you actually start laughing? I know it's not really funny, but the sheer absurdity of it!
Anyway, kudos to you man! your holding your head high in spite of how the previous owner and BK shafted you and you haven't gotten petty or whiney once. When your time comes and you are inline at the pearly gates, just give St. Peter a link to this thread. you may even get a "WTF?" out of him.
Just hope that St.Peter doesn't pull up in A General Lee built by BK and you have to break the bad news to him. ;D
Quote from: Back N Black on February 19, 2009, 06:55:13 PM
Quote from: dkn1997 on February 19, 2009, 06:42:57 PM
Jeff, I know that this is on your nickel and all, but I have to ask...are you getting to the point where they call you or send you more pics and you actually start laughing? I know it's not really funny, but the sheer absurdity of it!
Anyway, kudos to you man! your holding your head high in spite of how the previous owner and BK shafted you and you haven't gotten petty or whiney once. When your time comes and you are inline at the pearly gates, just give St. Peter a link to this thread. you may even get a "WTF?" out of him.
Just hope that St.Peter doesn't pull up in A General Lee built by BK and you have to break the bad news to him. ;D
Yeah, then I have a feeling I'd be heading in the other direction :flame:
This "new" discovery will obviously mean more hours at the body shop, but I'm happy with the fact that they said "This is not the worst we've seen and BY NO MEANS is this stuff unrepairable. The best part is it won't ever come back to haunt you.".
But I think the best advice he gave me today was "Just plan on keeping this car for a LONG TIME, because if you find you have to sell it in a year you're really going to be getting rammed....." .
You can fill in the blanks...
here :moon:
Quote from: jb666 on February 19, 2009, 05:58:31 PM
BTW guys, I have some (nasty) pictures coming my way tonight... I can hardly wait... Then on Saturday I'll have a boatload to put up.
:popcrn: I hope when everything is sorted you can let some of us readers make copies of all these pics you got to help spread this tale from the twilightzone.
The other thing that is sad is I bet BK really doesn't see anything wrong with this. I think this is the only way they build cars and know how to. They don't know any different. :rotz: We can all laugh and cry at this shit work (sorry, but there's no other word for it) and the BK idiots would look at us and say what's wrong with it. I think somebody asked who is the owner of BK once, it's Thomas Schubert.
Do you have any mug shots of Mr. Schubert and his posse? I'm curious, what does these clowns look like?
...
Quote from: Back N Black on February 19, 2009, 09:04:56 PM
Do you have any mug shots of Mr. Schubert and his posse? I'm curious, what does these clowns look like?
:cheers:
(http://bkauto.net/media/images/comp56.gif)
"Whadya' mean we don't know how to build cars? We build great cars if you're not a cheapskate. That's what a cheapskate gets for $70,000."
Quote from: jb666 on February 19, 2009, 10:03:31 AM
Bryan,
You are so right... That's just what the shop said, too.. That there CAN'T be any more surprises and to look on the bright side. It's been a long road, and I'll be honest with you, I'm really wishing I didn't buy this car at this point. Nothing on it was done right and NOTHING can be left as BK did it. Very discouraging.
Not surprised, but the shop is right -- after blasting it's like you're naked, nothing can be hidden. HOWEVER, this doesn't mean the unibody couldn't have some twisting or mis-aslignment here or there. I know my car did and it wasn't obvious until I went to have an alignment done.
Anyway, not to rain on your parade further, but don't discount the fact your motor was never torn down and truly inspected to a very high degree. I think that could be your last surprise, though I hope not!
Quote from: joflaig on February 19, 2009, 09:33:35 PM
Anyway, not to rain on your parade further, but don't discount the fact your motor was never torn down and truly inspected to a very high degree. I think that could be your last surprise, though I hope not!
Is that the 80th or the 100th time you have mentioned that. I think he heard you and understood the first time joflaig. You can come out of the tree and stop chirping now. Oh, and thanks for not WANTING to rain on his parade, but doing it anyway. :2thumbs:
Quote from: General_01 on February 19, 2009, 09:39:11 PM
Is that the 80th or the 100th time you have mentioned that. I think he heard you and understood the first time joflaig. You can come out of the tree and stop chirping now. Oh, and thanks for not WANTING to rain on his parade, but doing it anyway. :2thumbs:
Hey don't attack me man, what happened to Jeff happened to me too, his case being much worse. It's better to be a pessamist and be pleasantly surprised when things turn out positive than to hang onto false optimism. That's how he ended up with this pile to begin with. I made the same mistakes. I learned the same things he's learning. And it cost me a ton of $ too. I got burned on my original motor, so forgive me for emphasising this topic so often.
I'm just playing Devil's Advocate here since nobody else seems to want to...
;)
Quote from: joflaig on February 19, 2009, 09:46:12 PM
Quote from: General_01 on February 19, 2009, 09:39:11 PM
Is that the 80th or the 100th time you have mentioned that. I think he heard you and understood the first time joflaig. You can come out of the tree and stop chirping now. Oh, and thanks for not WANTING to rain on his parade, but doing it anyway. :2thumbs:
Hey don't attack me man, what happened to Jeff happened to me too, his case being much worse. It's better to be a pessamist and be pleasantly surprised when things turn out positive than to hang onto false optimism. That's how he ended up with this pile to begin with. I made the same mistakes. I learned the same things he's learning. And it cost me a ton of $ too. I got burned on my original motor, so forgive me for emphasising this topic so often.
I'm just playing Devil's Advocate here since nobody else seems to want to...
I am not trying to attack you, but your "Just playing devils advocate" and "Check the motor" comments are just getting repititous. You have brought them up before and Jeff responded to you and got feedback from the guys working on the car after your initial concerns. He decided to go a different route than what you would have done, but you repeatedly bring it up. Let it go. Constructive advise is good, but don't beat it to death.
Sorry you got bent over too. Seems to be a trend in this hobby.
Quote from: joflaig on February 19, 2009, 09:46:12 PM
Quote from: General_01 on February 19, 2009, 09:39:11 PM
Is that the 80th or the 100th time you have mentioned that. I think he heard you and understood the first time joflaig. You can come out of the tree and stop chirping now. Oh, and thanks for not WANTING to rain on his parade, but doing it anyway. :2thumbs:
Hey don't attack me man, what happened to Jeff happened to me too, his case being much worse. It's better to be a pessamist and be pleasantly surprised when things turn out positive than to hang onto false optimism. That's how he ended up with this pile to begin with. I made the same mistakes. I learned the same things he's learning. And it cost me a ton of $ too. I got burned on my original motor, so forgive me for emphasising this topic so often.
I'm just playing Devil's Advocate here since nobody else seems to want to...
what's the weather like up on that pedestal?
Quote from: joflaig on February 19, 2009, 09:46:12 PM
Quote from: General_01 on February 19, 2009, 09:39:11 PM
Is that the 80th or the 100th time you have mentioned that. I think he heard you and understood the first time joflaig. You can come out of the tree and stop chirping now. Oh, and thanks for not WANTING to rain on his parade, but doing it anyway. :2thumbs:
Hey don't attack me man, what happened to Jeff happened to me too, his case being much worse. It's better to be a pessamist and be pleasantly surprised when things turn out positive than to hang onto false optimism. That's how he ended up with this pile to begin with. I made the same mistakes. I learned the same things he's learning. And it cost me a ton of $ too. I got burned on my original motor, so forgive me for emphasising this topic so often.
I'm just playing Devil's Advocate here since nobody else seems to want to...
But that's just it. Jon's got some serious experience building motors. If you ever saw his shop, you'd know that this guy knows what he's doing. He ran a series of tests on my motor and NONE of them yielded negative results or trust me the motor would have been out.
Also, keep one thing in mind I'll be driving the car this season and in the Fall Jon's pulling the motor. Let's just say the build's not radical enough, so he's going to work some magic on it.. So I'm confident this build will last the season.
:cheers: :cheers:
Quote from: teamroth on February 19, 2009, 09:58:37 PM
Quote from: joflaig on February 19, 2009, 09:46:12 PM
Quote from: General_01 on February 19, 2009, 09:39:11 PM
Is that the 80th or the 100th time you have mentioned that. I think he heard you and understood the first time joflaig. You can come out of the tree and stop chirping now. Oh, and thanks for not WANTING to rain on his parade, but doing it anyway. :2thumbs:
Hey don't atta?ck me man, what happened to Jeff happened to me too, his case being much worse. It's better to be a pessamist and be pleasantly surprised when things turn out positive than to hang onto false optimism. That's how he ended up with this pile to begin with. I made the same mistakes. I learned the same things he's learning. And it cost me a ton of $ too. I got burned on my original motor, so forgive me for emphasising this topic so often.
I'm just playing Devil's Advocate here since nobody else seems to want to...
what's the weather like up on that pedestal?
What pedestal? This is getting off topic, but I freely admit in my own expereince to having been as blind and naive as Jeff arguably was when he bought this car. I'm all for moral support here, and want to see these bastards get what's coming to them too.
And I honestly wish you the best with that motor, God knows I know what they cost to build. Anyway, I know you've got it by now not to assume the best. That's the only point I'm trying to make here.
So how about a picture break????
Not to get too far off topic jo, but isn't your car going in soon for a radical makeover. If I remember your photoshop it is going to look sharp. :2thumbs:
:cheers:
Not to change the subject but check this out. I was looking over the paperwork that BK sent Brian and saw the picture of the car that they sent him and said it was his. It has an 01 rattle can number on the passenger side door but the car that they show on the site is the blue one Jeff has. I can't explain it right now other than I can say for a fact that there are three ( 3 ) cars involved in this one transaction. That is a 100% fact. ;)
Quote from: skip68 on February 19, 2009, 10:10:09 PM
Not to change the subject but check this out. I was looking over the paperwork that BK sent Brian and saw the picture of the car that they sent him and said it was his. It has an 01 rattle can number on the passenger side door but the car that they show on the site is the blue one Jeff has. I can't explain it right now other than I can say for a fact that there are three ( 3 ) cars involved in this one transaction. That is a 100% fact. ;)
And I can confirm that.
A photo break is coming.. I don't have them yet.
Jeff, since more parts are being removed you are probably getting a pretty big pile going now. We need to see all junk in one pile when it's all over. I hope storage isn't starting to be a problem. Leaving the evidence outside probably wouldn't be a good idea.......if you know what I mean :whistling:
Quote from: The70RT on February 19, 2009, 10:16:36 PM
Jeff, since more parts are being removed you are probably getting a pretty big pile going now. We need to see all junk in one pile when it's all over. I hope storage isn't starting to be a problem. Leaving the evidence outside probably wouldn't be a good idea.......if you know what I mean :whistling:
:cheers:
Make sure my shifter is safe. If you throw anything in the trash be careful. If BK knows that you're tossing that good stuff away they will be dumpster diving for it. :slap:
BK says the client has to pay for any shipping. Then down in the contract it says that they (BK) will acquire the vehicle. :shruggy: Then, BK charged Brian $1150 for shipping the first car. A 318 car with solid frames and an 01 on the pass. door. Then the car is changed to another car. Was the shipping the same cost ? Was Brian notified about changing cars ? :shruggy: Brian, can you send the other pictures of the first car to Jeff ? I know they exist. And Brian, can you tell Jeff anything you know about BK swaping cars on you? Thanks, Chuck.........
Quote from: Back N Black on February 19, 2009, 09:04:56 PM
Do you have any mug shots of Mr. Schubert and his posse? I'm curious, what does these clowns look like?
I just had to jump in on this one
Ok, I'm so disgusted with these pictures that I won't even caption each one. I have nothing to say
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/genrallee008Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/genrallee009Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/genrallee017Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/genrallee018Medium.jpg)
This is all on it's way, I ordered it all today.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/genrallee019Medium.jpg)
The only good thing about any of this is the fact that this Charger is actually being SAVED at this pint instead of Cobbled more.....Cause not to long ago that would have been a parts car! (the Shell anyway)
:o Damn Jeff sorry to see this ! :mad:!!!! :rotz: that A pillar is going to be time consuming , has it spread to the inner cowel corners ????
to be honest i was expecting to see more stuff once in bare metal .... only going by previous BK handy work .. but not expecting this :scratchchin:
Yeah I'm pretty disgusted.
WOW
That really sucks to see.
I was going to say I was suprised but with everything you have done aready and the crap work you have found I can not say I'm really suprised.
I'm really sorry it turned out like this for you.
I prayed to the car gods when I had my Charger stripped that I would not find that underneath.
I was very lucky, only a few small locations needing metal work.
So is it back to the fabracator for the repair work then back to the body shop or is the body shop going to do this repair work for you?
-Steve
Man. I don't know what to say. I don't even recognize what's in the first shot...
Considering we, the mopar people of America and beyond, are members of your pears, I have to vote YES on the hanging of the son of a bitch that rigged and bondo'd and sold this car.
Jeff, if this goes to trial I want to be there...... How could ANYONE be such a complete liar and thief?? How is it possible?? This piece of crap of a human being needs to be put in blocks in the center of EVERY car show everywhere for people to judge and STONE........ I don't think I know the words that really describe this piece of shit of a _____________-- ...... Sorry, for a moment I forgot I am a mod and I am supppppposed to try to keep peace here...
What a vile specimen. The fires of hell are too good for him....
Sorry Jeff........that bastard better get what he deserves :rotz: Hope your bodyman can come through for ya. I hope this doesn't break your bank either.
Jeff, so sorry man. But boy am I glad you did this. Those welds are truly unsafe! Better to find them now. Peace be with you my brother, drink a beer, light up a doob, whatever works for you, and just relax. I know how infuriated you must be.
WOW! that is sad. How could he find so many dishonest people to work for him. I know alot of people are going to disagree with my statement, but these guys need a good shit kicking. If it was me i would do it, some things are worth going to jail for. :Twocents:
Man that is a Real Bummer,
That really Sucks Jeff. Hopefully you can afford all the extra work.
Thankfully there is good replacement panels out there now !
Ron
Well.. The car WILL be done right, no corners will be cut, don't worry there... I'm just really pissed at these shots. I'm going down tomorrow for some more pictures in person and I'll have PLENTY to post then.
:rotz: I just got back and see this. :'( :flame: God I'm sorry Jeff. Just relax and remember,------SOON. :yesnod: The clock is ticking.
Quote from: Steve P. on February 20, 2009, 06:59:23 PM
Man. I don't know what to say. I don't even recognize what's in the first shot...
Considering we, the mopar people of America and beyond, are members of your pears, I have to vote YES on the hanging of the son of a bitch that rigged and bondo'd and sold this car.
Jeff, if this goes to trial I want to be there...... How could ANYONE be such a complete liar and thief?? How is it possible?? This piece of crap of a human being needs to be put in blocks in the center of EVERY car show everywhere for people to judge and STONE........ I don't think I know the words that really describe this piece of shit of a _____________-- ...... Sorry, for a moment I forgot I am a mod and I am supppppposed to try to keep peace here...
What a vile specimen. The fires of hell are too good for him....
SORRY to any Deliverance fans out there, couldn't help myself! Maybe it ain't funny...
Wow...That is unbelivable...And he put some of his freaking mini patchs in to??? I was thinking some pin holes....Blasting always makes some pop out. But...That cowl, around that hinge...disgusting.
Quote from: captnsim on February 20, 2009, 08:21:10 PM
Wow...That is unbelivable...And he put some of his freaking mini patchs in to??? I was thinking some pin holes....Blasting always makes some pop out. But...That cowl, around that hinge...disgusting.
Exactly.. When he called me today, he said "It's not the worst I've ever seen and I can fix it all. It will look perfect, but it'll take more time.....". Then he sent me the pictures :o
Quote from: joflaig on February 20, 2009, 08:16:59 PM
Quote from: Steve P. on February 20, 2009, 06:59:23 PM
Man. I don't know what to say. I don't even recognize what's in the first shot...
Considering we, the mopar people of America and beyond, are members of your pears, I have to vote YES on the hanging of the son of a bitch that rigged and bondo'd and sold this car.
Jeff, if this goes to trial I want to be there...... How could ANYONE be such a complete liar and thief?? How is it possible?? This piece of crap of a human being needs to be put in blocks in the center of EVERY car show everywhere for people to judge and STONE........ I don't think I know the words that really describe this piece of shit of a _____________-- ...... Sorry, for a moment I forgot I am a mod and I am supppppposed to try to keep peace here...
What a vile specimen. The fires of hell are too good for him....
SORRY to any Deliverance fans out there, couldn't help myself! Maybe it ain't funny...
someone spelled "squeal" wrong.... :poke:
hehe
Wow, sorry to see this. Good to know you're going to set it straight.
That's f'd up dude, I can't say anything more.
:shruggy:
:o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o
Sorry the hidden damage was this extensive Jeff. More incriminating evidence of BK's restoration skills. ::)
I am looking forward to your pics from the car shows this summer. You should set up an automatic camera at your BK display. This way you can catch the looks on people's faces when they look through the pics of what this car was compared to how great it looks that day. Those pics would be priceless. :2thumbs:
I volunteer to go by there shop in a big bondo can costume dancing around handing out flyers with pics of your car :2thumbs:
Thats just wrong!
Thanks for the words, guys.. I actually don't know what to say.. I'm sure I'll have plenty to say after my visit to the shop tomorrow, camera in hand... :icon_smile_blackeye:
Quote from: FLG on February 20, 2009, 10:38:01 PM
I volunteer to go by there shop in a big bondo can costume dancing around handing out flyers with pics of your car :2thumbs:
Thats just wrong!
Now THAT, I might take you up on. That would be absolutely PRICELESS!!!!! :lol:
I wouldn't hesitate one bit :D
I want in. :yesnod:
Quote from: jb666 on February 20, 2009, 08:50:12 PM
Quote from: captnsim on February 20, 2009, 08:21:10 PM
Wow...That is unbelivable...And he put some of his freaking mini patchs in to??? I was thinking some pin holes....Blasting always makes some pop out. But...That cowl, around that hinge...disgusting.
Exactly.. When he called me today, he said "It's not the worst I've ever seen and I can fix it all. It will look perfect, but it'll take more time.....". Then he sent me the pictures :o
You know Jeff, what's really more amazing to me is this.
For
every unexpectedly bad thing that's been revealed about your car, you've had at your disposal
THE guys who can fix every problem and make everthing right. To me this is a Godsend all it's own. Can you imagine owning this car but no bodyman around you willing to work on it? How many times have we begged a revered bodyguy or mechanic to work on our cars only to get "
yeah, come back in 6 months". You go back in 6 months and he says, "
come back in 6 more months".
The frustration of finding a competent bodyman is a real issue, and has been for many of us, but not for you. You got hooked up with some of the best auto-body craftsmen I've every seen! With ease you found these guys--am I wrong?
And the excellence of both of the companies working on your car makes it so easy for any viewer of this thread to believe
it will look perfect in the end.
And so far it is becoming just that.
Rest easy, ;)
-Steve
When I saw those pictures I about swallowed my tongue. Dude, that's incredible. :rotz:
Yeah, it is. I'm on my way to the shop right now.
I've had to fix worse, It can be done. LEON.
I think AMD may be reproducing some of these Parts. LEON.
Leon, If it weren't for AMD I'd be bumming throughout a LOT of this project.
Anyways, I just got back. Good and bad. The pictures are definitely the worst of it, and after talking with the shop owner I now feel a LOT better. It's not as bad as I was expecting and can all definitely be fixed. The car will still be completed on time and will be done right.
I'll put up some pictures in a few minutes.
Ok, here we go... Here's the driver's side drip rail.. Or what's left of it.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/genrallee018Medium.jpg)
Inside lip of the trunk lid, which happens to be the most solid part of the car. Funny, because it was DEFINITELY from another vehicle :lol:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2438Medium.jpg)
Obvious...
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2439Medium.jpg)
This I love... You can see the spots around the fuel trim ring, which was nicely covered over... Along with the fact that this was most definitely a vinyl top car. How BK handled this?? They put tape on the underside of the panel and layered the Bondo right over the holes..
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2440Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2441Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2442Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2443Medium.jpg)
Driver's side mess...
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2444Medium.jpg)
Back to the passenger's rear.. I LOVE this patch work...
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2445Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2446Medium.jpg)
This will be repaired first...
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2447Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2448Medium.jpg)
I love the patch work here too
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2466Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2465Medium.jpg)
To be continued...
Cowl/lower windshield area:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2450Medium.jpg)
Now for a GOOD break... The grille is AWESOME. I was so happy to see this in person, the craftsmanship is incredible. I have new nice trim to put on this, as well. EVERYTHING on this grille has been repaired. The light covers go up and down (and STOP) as they should now. Nothing is broken, and the front and back of this grille looks like brand new now. I couldn't have asked for a nicer job. This guy truly is amazing with plastic (and not the same way BK was).
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2451Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2452Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2453Medium.jpg)
And for those that can see it, the upper left is a hair!!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2454Medium.jpg)
Driver's side door, rear. The lips are still mint, which make this a clean area to repair.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2456Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2457Medium.jpg)
Passenger door, not too bad:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2463Medium.jpg)
Factory weld and vinyl trim holes.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2462Medium.jpg)
Quarters almost look like they've always been there... Then again, if they had, they'd be loaded with rot.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2460Medium.jpg)
There's even some spots on the INSIDE lip of metal that need to be repaired.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2467Medium.jpg)
Another GOOD picture break, here's a shot of the Good Humor truck they are building.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2468Medium.jpg)
TO BE CONTINUED...
And the finale...
The new AMD nose is sitting in the shop. We only took one fender out of the box but wow, these things are nice... I can't wait to see the car together!!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2471Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2470Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2469Medium.jpg)
Good deal......well on the fenders anyway :2thumbs:
Quote from: The70RT on February 21, 2009, 04:05:30 PM
Good deal......well on the fenders anyway :2thumbs:
:lol: That's it?? The fenders?
really looking at the pics... the car was a severe rust bucket.. they must of pulled it out of the river and painted it...amazing it had that much rust. it's nice to see it repaired correctly but at your expense, and time. in the end your charger will be rebuilt. after assembly it still will require some "love" im sure everything needs attention... windows, radio, cluster, etc... one day sooner than later it will be done... but for now the charger will be on your mind for a while....awake and in your every thoughts.....(we've all been there)
Quote from: autodynamics on February 21, 2009, 04:08:30 PM
really looking at the pics... the car was a severe rust bucket.. they must of pulled it out of the river and painted it...amazing it had that much rust. it's nice to see it repaired correctly but at your expense, and time. in the end your charger will be rebuilt. after assembly it still will require some "love" im sure everything needs attention... windows, radio, cluster, etc... one day sooner than later it will be done... but for now the charger will be on your mind for a while....awake and in your every thoughts.....(we've all been there)
Oh absolutely.. The windows will be taken care of now. What's not good enough to be put back in the car will be replaced. The windshield is new, and I have a brand new rear window.. The mechanisms for the other windows will be cleaned up and working great.
I put a factory/restored AM radio in the car, so that's been done. I have no need for a system in this car (like my others) because I'd like to TRY and make this look somewhat like it did on the show.. you'd laugh, but way back I posted the BK hooked my stereo up to the brake light switch. Every time I hit the brakes the stereo went on and off. It was classic. Hopefully a song you liked didn't come on while you were driving because you'd have to be on a long straight road to enjoy it!
As for the gauges, Jon's got everything working except the speedo. The guage itself is FUBAR. I'll contact the company who "restored" these and see what they have to say.
So, while this is apart, I'm stock piling all other parts, but as of right now I have everything sitting in my garage to turn the interior into a brand new/original setup.
The shop's upholstery person will be checking out my headliner when the job's done. If this one can't be reinstalled correctly a new liner will be put in.
Quote from: Stanleyart on February 21, 2009, 02:58:35 AM
Quote from: jb666 on February 20, 2009, 08:50:12 PM
Quote from: captnsim on February 20, 2009, 08:21:10 PM
Wow...That is unbelivable...And he put some of his freaking mini patchs in to??? I was thinking some pin holes....Blasting always makes some pop out. But...That cowl, around that hinge...disgusting.
Exactly.. When he called me today, he said "It's not the worst I've ever seen and I can fix it all. It will look perfect, but it'll take more time.....". Then he sent me the pictures :o
You know Jeff, what's really more amazing to me is this.
For every unexpectedly bad thing that's been revealed about your car, you've had at your disposal THE guys who can fix every problem and make everthing right. To me this is a Godsend all it's own. Can you imagine owning this car but no bodyman around you willing to work on it? How many times have we begged a revered bodyguy or mechanic to work on our cars only to get "yeah, come back in 6 months". You go back in 6 months and he says, "come back in 6 more months".
The frustration of finding a competent bodyman is a real issue, and has been for many of us, but not for you. You got hooked up with some of the best auto-body craftsmen I've every seen! With ease you found these guys--am I wrong?
And the excellence of both of the companies working on your car makes it so easy for any viewer of this thread to believe it will look perfect in the end.
And so far it is becoming just that.
Rest easy, ;)
-Steve
Steve -- I just saw this post now. You have a unique way of finding the 'bright side' of this mess, and you're absolutely right. I hadn't looked at it that way before, but if I 1. Couldn't afford to do this and 2. Couldn't find a shop willing/qualified to tackle this job I would be BUMMING. I'd have a car in my garage that I THOUGHT was nice only to find out in the Spring that it wasn't , and I'd be forced to park it for a VERY long time..
Either way, onward and upward.
This is a bit off topic, but here are a few pictures of the car built by one of the guys who runs the body shop that my car's at. IMO, to build something like this from scratch takes incredible talent.
It's a Belvedere that was built completely from scratch. Altered wheel base, custom suspension, body, etc...
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/IMGP0136.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/IMGP0096.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/IMGP0090.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/IMGP0086.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/IMGP0085.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/IMGP0083.jpg)
And one of his choppers:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/IMGP0116.jpg)
:cheers: :cheers:
Wheelies... :o That's a sick Gasser... :yesnod: Nice Bike too... :2thumbs: It's like beauty and the BK beast
Good Lord.....
I figured it would be bad after blasting, but that is way worse than I figured it could be. I'm surprised that top door hinge was still hanging on. :eek2:
This shop is doing some fantastic work; I'm betting they're going to get no small amount of new business just from this thread alone.
Quote from: KS71owner on February 21, 2009, 10:20:29 PM
Good Lord.....
I figured it would be bad after blasting, but that is way worse than I figured it could be. I'm surprised that top door hinge was still hanging on. :eek2:
This shop is doing some fantastic work; I'm betting they're going to get no small amount of new business just from this thread alone.
Absolutely, I agree. I'm really looking forward to posting the updated PROGRESS pictures, because this car is about to completely transform.
Quote from: captnsim on February 21, 2009, 09:38:47 PM
Wheelies... :o That's a sick Gasser... :yesnod: Nice Bike too... :2thumbs: It's like beauty and the BK beast
:lol: He'd like that comparison!! Then again, two of the guys from the shop check this thread regularly, so I'm sure he saw it already!!
I wonder if BK ever branched out anywhere's else. I dug up these shots I took when I tore into my car.....
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v249/BlueSS454/Charger%20Resto%20Pics/P101005620.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v249/BlueSS454/Charger%20Resto%20Pics/P1010092.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v249/BlueSS454/Charger%20Resto%20Pics/P1010093.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v249/BlueSS454/Charger%20Resto%20Pics/PA060140.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v249/BlueSS454/Charger%20Resto%20Pics/P1010052.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v249/BlueSS454/Charger%20Resto%20Pics/P1010051.jpg)
yes, tin riveted over rot holes...
:o
:o wow!!! I guess mine could have been worse!! Then again, my original rear quarters are a horror show.
That's nothing compared to how the rest of the car was. I just don't want to hijack your thread ;)
See i know my car is full of bondo...just to not "see" all this i plan on cutting my quarters and making reef material out of them, i dont even wana know whats under the metal...but i know ill take a look and be disgusted.
damn,i just became a member of this site and im sorry to hear your story, but im sad to say that that we here in europe are used to see bad metal work.from the us. us cars are known for being poorly fixed when rusted. i have seen many "rust free california cars " from ebay and i must say theres alot of happy peopel on some kind of drugs out there that doesent seem to have any problems with puting bondo in rust holes, actually it almost seems like it vould have been easier to fix it right than use all that time to conseal all the problems, hope you get to the end of the jouyney and wiil enjoy the result of your hard work. regards fron´m copenhagen denmark. henrik
Quote from: hs1973 on February 22, 2009, 12:08:55 PM
damn,i just became a member of this site and im sorry to hear your story, but im sad to say that that we here in europe are used to see bad metal work.from the us. us cars are known for being poorly fixed when rusted. i have seen many "rust free california cars " from ebay and i must say theres alot of happy peopel on some kind of drugs out there that doesent seem to have any problems with puting bondo in rust holes, actually it almost seems like it vould have been easier to fix it right than use all that time to conseal all the problems, hope you get to the end of the jouyney and wiil enjoy the result of your hard work. regards fron´m copenhagen denmark. henrik
Hello in Denmark!! Thanks for the comments Henrik :cheers: And thank you for helping spread the word!! People like BK thrive on people outside the US. There's little, if any, recourse once the car is shipped. Not to mention the expense involved...
Do any of you guys know if the pcs I'm pointing to come with the new panel from AMD??
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/pcsneeded.jpg)
new panel from AMD:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/panel.jpg)
Oh yeah, that's all one piece. Correction. I just looked at mine and you mean the studded part....sorry then i don't know.
Quote from: The70RT on February 22, 2009, 12:36:50 PM
Oh yeah, that's all one piece. Correction. I just looked at mine and you mean the studded part....sorry then i don't know.
Ok great. It was hard to tell by that little picture and I definitely need that section. Thanks!
OOPS -- Just saw your edit. Yes, the studded pc that the tail lights bolt to.
Quote from: jb666 on February 22, 2009, 12:39:04 PM
Quote from: The70RT on February 22, 2009, 12:36:50 PM
Oh yeah, that's all one piece. Correction. I just looked at mine and you mean the studded part....sorry then i don't know.
Ok great. It was hard to tell by that little picture and I definitely need that section. Thanks!
OOPS -- Just saw your edit. Yes, the studded pc that the tail lights bolt to.
I'm sure someone will chime in. You would think it would though.
Here ya go Ebay Item number: 310088210969
Quote from: captnsim on February 22, 2009, 01:00:35 PM
Here ya go Ebay Item number: 310088210969
Well, that SHOULD be the same panel that I just bought from AMD. I just wasn't sure by the pictures if it came with what I needed, in this picture:
(http://www.corsairsoftware.com/Images/ImagesRF/Images14/6970chartailpanel_03.jpg)
Yup, comes just like that one... :yesnod:
How we doing today boys ? Welcome hs1973. :cheers: I hope this gets to some of the others in Europe that have a BK car and they join us. This is not the way we Americans want to be known for in dealing with these cars. These are simple crimes of opportunity. BK and others like them thrive on customers that are far away. This makes it easy for them. :rotz: It's easy to see when you look at the contract, description of the car and then the actual car that BK Automotive is a thief. They knew the condition of this car and yet they tried to pass it off as a solid new custom built car that they aren't supposed to be selling anyway. :flame: :rotz:
;)
i know there is always someone trying to make money of somebody that has a dream but not the knowledge to identefy a rustheap. im currently trying to help a guy that bought a 67 mustang cap on ebay. the pictures looked ok an he was told that it was rustfree with rebuildt motor and trans, thats not the case however, what he got when it arrived here was a rust bucket with a moter from some kind of fullsize ltd or something like that. the whole frontend of the body had been cut of and somebody then tried to make a new frontend out of what appers to be plumbingpipe and it is so baadly put together that the car was not safe to drive. there is no viring left enywhere. front fenders bumper ect was hanging on by barp vire. i could keep talking all day about how bad this car is, so your not alone in being ripped of. ill try and post pictures off it later.
Quote from: jb666 on February 22, 2009, 01:04:29 PM
Quote from: captnsim on February 22, 2009, 01:00:35 PM
Here ya go Ebay Item number: 310088210969
Well, that SHOULD be the same panel that I just bought from AMD. I just wasn't sure by the pictures if it came with what I needed, in this picture:
(http://www.corsairsoftware.com/Images/ImagesRF/Images14/6970chartailpanel_03.jpg)
Do yourself a favor and check the fitment of the tail lights before you paint that thing....even the NOS tail panels were known for the lights not fitting quite right.
Quote from: 1hot68 on February 23, 2009, 03:38:05 AM
Quote from: jb666 on February 22, 2009, 01:04:29 PM
Quote from: captnsim on February 22, 2009, 01:00:35 PM
Here ya go Ebay Item number: 310088210969
Well, that SHOULD be the same panel that I just bought from AMD. I just wasn't sure by the pictures if it came with what I needed, in this picture:
(http://www.corsairsoftware.com/Images/ImagesRF/Images14/6970chartailpanel_03.jpg)
Do yourself a favor and check the fitment of the tail lights before you paint that thing....even the NOS tail panels were known for the lights not fitting quite right.
Will do, thanks :cheers:
Quote from: hs1973 on February 23, 2009, 01:50:04 AM
i know there is always someone trying to make money of somebody that has a dream but not the knowledge to identefy a rustheap. im currently trying to help a guy that bought a 67 mustang cap on ebay. the pictures looked ok an he was told that it was rustfree with rebuildt motor and trans, thats not the case however, what he got when it arrived here was a rust bucket with a moter from some kind of fullsize ltd or something like that. the whole frontend of the body had been cut of and somebody then tried to make a new frontend out of what appers to be plumbingpipe and it is so baadly put together that the car was not safe to drive. there is no viring left enywhere. front fenders bumper ect was hanging on by barp vire. i could keep talking all day about how bad this car is, so your not alone in being ripped of. ill try and post pictures off it later.
:cheers:
Here's some interesting reading, guys...
:cheers: :cheers:
http://www.freiburgersjunkyard.com/forum/index.php?topic=10108.0
Quote from: BlueSS454 on February 21, 2009, 10:51:07 PM
I wonder if BK ever branched out anywhere's else. I dug up these shots I took when I tore into my car.....
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v249/BlueSS454/Charger%20Resto%20Pics/P101005620.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v249/BlueSS454/Charger%20Resto%20Pics/P1010092.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v249/BlueSS454/Charger%20Resto%20Pics/P1010093.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v249/BlueSS454/Charger%20Resto%20Pics/PA060140.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v249/BlueSS454/Charger%20Resto%20Pics/P1010052.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v249/BlueSS454/Charger%20Resto%20Pics/P1010051.jpg)
yes, tin riveted over rot holes...
holey tin worm batman :o ..never seen that on a charger !!! :o top of the quarter in front of the side glass :rotz:
Quote from: jb666 on February 23, 2009, 06:56:57 PM
Here's some interesting reading, guys...
:cheers: :cheers:
http://www.freiburgersjunkyard.com/forum/index.php?topic=10108.0
:2thumbs: good read Jeff :yesnod: :popcrn:
Brian sure has a way with words.. I always enjoy reading his articles. Especially when they focus on BK's handy-work :yesnod:
DOES BK STAND FOR "BUTCHER KINGS"?
Quote from: jb666 on February 23, 2009, 07:43:26 PM
Brian sure has a way with words.. I always enjoy reading his articles. Especially when they focus on BK's handy-work :yesnod:
I still owe you lunch brother! Capone's...you name the day (but it can't be before Friday because I'm traveling for "real work")
Blair is going to do a kick ass job man. The good news in all of this is that you are going to have a car that was resurrected by true craftsmen.
Brian
Quote from: Brian Lohnes on February 23, 2009, 07:52:31 PM
Quote from: jb666 on February 23, 2009, 07:43:26 PM
Brian sure has a way with words.. I always enjoy reading his articles. Especially when they focus on BK's handy-work :yesnod:
I still owe you lunch brother! Capone's...you name the day (but it can't be before Friday because I'm traveling for "real work")
Blair is going to do a kick ass job man. The good news in all of this is that you are going to have a car that was resurrected by true craftsmen.
Brian
You know, you just nailed it right there. I'm sure Jon's head is already big enough for the praise I've given him, but I can't say enough. The work he did just blows my mind. When the car was on the lift the day before it left his shop I couldn't believe what I was seeing. I thought it was a factory/brand new car underneath. From the MESS that it was when it arrived to that? It's incredible..
Then it went to the body shop and WOW , the amount he's gotten done in such a short time is awesome. Today I talked to him and he said the drip edge on the driver's side is completely rebuilt and looks like new, and the passenger's door/hinge area was being torn down as we spoke. That's just awesome. By Saturday this will have some serious progress!!!
So this is complete, along with the holes for the vinyl top trim..
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/genrallee018Medium.jpg)
As for lunch, that sounds good!! How about Thursday this week? I'll shoot you a PM :cheers:
:'( I wish I could do lunch too. Have one for me guys. :cheers:
Quote from: skip68 on February 23, 2009, 08:14:47 PM
:'( I wish I could do lunch too. Have one for me guys. :cheers:
:lol:
Ok, here are a couple of shots from today's work at the shop...
Rust cut out:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/genrallee022Medium.jpg)
And a while later:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/genrallee023Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/genrallee024Medium.jpg)
:cheers: :cheers:
Looking good Jeff... :2thumbs: Looks like quality work :cheers:
Yeah, it's kind of nice to see pics going in the other direction for a change.
Quote from: Ghoste on February 23, 2009, 08:41:59 PM
Yeah, it's kind of nice to see pics going in the other direction for a change.
Words well spoken!!! :cheers: :cheers:
Quote from: captnsim on February 23, 2009, 08:39:34 PM
Looking good Jeff... :2thumbs: Looks like quality work :cheers:
Thanks! I know it's only the first step in the right direction for this phase of the project, but I figured this thread can start to head in a positive direction for a change (at least for the CAR!!)
Quote from: autodynamics on February 23, 2009, 07:44:39 PM
DOES BK STAND FOR "BUTCHER KINGS"?
I think it's "Bank Killer"
Quote from: jb666 on February 23, 2009, 08:31:59 PM
And a while later:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/genrallee023Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/genrallee024Medium.jpg)
>>You know Jeff, what's really more amazing to me is this.
For every unexpectedly bad thing that's been revealed about your car, you've had at your disposal THE guys who can fix every problem and make everthing right. To me this is a Godsend all it's own. Can you imagine owning this car but no bodyman around you willing to work on it? How many times have we begged a revered bodyguy or mechanic to work on our cars only to get "yeah, come back in 6 months". You go back in 6 months and he says, "come back in 6 more months". [/i]
The frustration of finding a competent bodyman is a real issue, and has been for many of us, but not for you. You got hooked up with some of the best auto-body craftsmen I've every seen! With ease you found these guys--am I wrong?
And the excellence of both of the companies working on your car makes it so easy for any viewer of this thread to believe it will look perfect in the end.
And so far it is becoming just that.
Rest easy,
-Steve<<
As I was saying, Jeff... :yesnod:
-Steve
are you going to leave the charger symbol in the roof pillar? great work stay on and don't loose focus.and don't add up the receipts until later
Quote from: autodynamics on February 24, 2009, 02:07:01 AM
are you going to leave the charger symbol in the roof pillar? great work stay on and don't loose focus.and don't add up the receipts until later
You know, I hadn't thought about it, but now that I'm searching and actually LOOKING, I see that most of the GL's don't have that emblem. Thanks for pointing that out!! I must have searched 100 GL (series) pictures and NONE of them had it!! :cheers:
As for the slips.. I haven't added a thing up. Jon kept saying to me "Do you want to know where you are?" when I'd drop a payment off. I'd just say "NOPE! Tell me when I'm DONE!" :lol:
Quote from: jb666 on February 23, 2009, 08:31:59 PM
Ok, here are a couple of shots from today's work at the shop...
Rust cut out:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/genrallee022Medium.jpg)
And a while later:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/genrallee023Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/genrallee024Medium.jpg)
:cheers: :cheers:
:yesnod: nice work ... keep the pictures coming Jeff :popcrn:
Oh you know I will :2thumbs: :lol:
Quote from: jb666 on February 24, 2009, 08:19:22 AM
Oh you know I will :2thumbs: :lol:
:2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :yesnod: can i see some blue paint there that BK blasted off :scratchchin:
Ok guys.. My next question..
Have you seen anyone that sells a replacement door hinge post?? You know the area on my car that was SO bad where the passenger's door bolts on? They'd like to replace that entire post/pillar, but I didn't know if anyone offered it.
I'm at work, so browsing AMD/ABS's website can be a bit challenging.
Quote from: jb666 on February 24, 2009, 08:37:50 AM
Ok guys.. My next question..
Have you seen anyone that sells a replacement door hinge post?? You know the area on my car that was SO bad where the passenger's door bolts on? They'd like to replace that entire post/pillar, but I didn't know if anyone offered it.
I'm at work, so browsing AMD/ABS's website can be a bit challenging.
You can get one used . the part will interchange from ANY 68-70 B-Body even 4 doors and wagons.
I may even have one!
Quote from: 1hot68 on February 24, 2009, 08:51:06 AM
Quote from: jb666 on February 24, 2009, 08:37:50 AM
Ok guys.. My next question..
Have you seen anyone that sells a replacement door hinge post?? You know the area on my car that was SO bad where the passenger's door bolts on? They'd like to replace that entire post/pillar, but I didn't know if anyone offered it.
I'm at work, so browsing AMD/ABS's website can be a bit challenging.
You can get one used . the part will interchange from ANY 68-70 B-Body even 4 doors and wagons.
I may even have one!
Thank you!!! :cheers: :cheers:
;)
Quote from: skip68 on February 24, 2009, 03:24:42 PM
Quote from: tan top on February 24, 2009, 08:33:41 AM
Quote from: jb666 on February 24, 2009, 08:19:22 AM
Oh you know I will :2thumbs: :lol:
:2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :yesnod: can i see some blue paint there that BK blasted off :scratchchin:
That's what I see. :yesnod: I wonder where good old Thomas Schubert is right now ? :shruggy:
:lol:
:smilielol:
Quote from: jb666 on February 24, 2009, 08:56:38 PM
Quote from: skip68 on February 24, 2009, 03:24:42 PM
Quote from: tan top on February 24, 2009, 08:33:41 AM
Quote from: jb666 on February 24, 2009, 08:19:22 AM
Oh you know I will :2thumbs: :lol:
:2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :yesnod: can i see some blue paint there that BK blasted off :scratchchin:
That's what I see. :yesnod: I wonder where good old Thomas Schubert is right now ? :shruggy:
My guess? Running for the border with the rest of his illegal work crew. :cheers:
Why would he got to Taco Bell? :cheers:
;)
You guys are going to laugh, BUT I JUST GOT THIS EMAIL FROM BK. Apparently they have me on a mass mail list :lol: It must be their "news letter" or something. Read the complete and total BULL SHIT they are writing in this note. It's such a joke. I can only hope they are out of business before this "AutoRama" and I'd LOVE to know who these people are that are "taking delivery" of their new vehicles soon. Then again, maybe we WILL.
From: BK Automotive LLC <bkautomotive@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Project Completion 1974 Pontiac Trans Am 'The Republican' #0505-115
To: BKautomotive@sbcglobal.net
Date: Wednesday, February 25, 2009, 3:04 PM
Hello, and thanks again for tuning in,
Since the last completion update we weathered a severe hurricane and several weeks without power which cost us the Braselton Bash we had planned, but we were up and running again in time for the World of Wheels AutoRama here in Houston, look for photos on the website as soon as I can get it updated, in the next week or two.
The focus of this update is one car that I am very proud of. What started as a routine 'fix'er up' restoration turned into a real one of a kind muscle car.
At 505 cubic inches with a custom block it puts out roughly 650HP/660lbft. The owner invested well into the six-figure mark to get everything just right, from the custom handpainted exterior, to the custom designed driveline and custom interior. the car has been delivered for a two month trial run before it returns for full maintenance service.
I cant say what all shows this car may end up at, but I do know you can expect to see it here in Houston at the 2009 World of Wheels AutoRama in its full glory in November. This car is a true testiment to what it really takes to build a complete custom in which each componant is specifically designed to work with the rest of the machine as a whole.
It is unique in nearly every aspect of its construction. Too many details to list here or online, but you can see the page detailing its construction here: http://www.bkauto.net/1974%20Trans%20Am.htm
We deeply thank Walter for his business and appreciation of our work, and look forward to working with him on future projects.
Waiting delivery in the wings is the latest A-Team van, the Knight Interceptor, built for a NJPD officer, the modernized 1961 Cadillac Limousine, a 1971 340 Cuda and a fully custom 1975 Lincoln 'Mach 5' so keep an eye out for more updates in the next month or so.
Thanks for the interest in our projects! Maybe one day we'll do one for you!
(Addresses are added to this mailing list by request for information on our products or services. To remove your address, simply reply with REMOVE in the subject.)
Black Knight Auto Design & Restoration LLC
www.bkauto.net
www.blackknightchoppers.net
713.996.9655
:smilielol:
A "hand painted" exterior??? How else would you paint a "restored" vehicle? Maybe they mean "Hand Painted" as in with a brush. :D
They bondo'd a '71 Cuda too! Say it ain't so!! :puke: :errr: :smilie_help: :smilie_help:
You should call BK, acting as a interested customer with no idea about cars, wanting a General Lee, and ask about this thread. "What about that one General Lee you built..." :nana: :nana: :nutkick:
Quote from: WingCharger on February 25, 2009, 04:39:29 PM
A "hand painted" exterior??? How else would you paint a "restored" vehicle? Maybe they mean "Hand Painted" as in with a brush. :D
They bondo'd a '71 Cuda too! Say it ain't so!! :puke: :errr: :smilie_help: :smilie_help:
You should call BK, acting as a interested customer with no idea about cars, wanting a General Lee, and ask about this thread. "What about that one General Lee you built..." :nana: :nana: :nutkick:
Me? Nah, the scammer already knows my voice..... Please tell me someone on this forum is close enough and can go to this Auto-Rama in Houston this year!!!
Boy Jeff, when I read that post, I don't know what to believe from them. :shruggy:
Quote from: MoparManJim on February 25, 2009, 04:49:18 PM
Boy Jeff, when I rad that post, I don't know what to belive from them. :shruggy:
:lol:
Quote from: jb666 on February 25, 2009, 04:51:11 PM
Quote from: MoparManJim on February 25, 2009, 04:49:18 PM
Boy Jeff, when I rad that post, I don't know what to belive from them. :shruggy:
Believe NONE of it.. Thomas sure knows how to sling the shit around.. Just wear knee high boots and you'll make it through his post.
I recommend fishing waders. :D :D
Think they really have a car at the Auto-Rama, or is it just more to throw on the floor? :shruggy:
Quote from: WingCharger on February 25, 2009, 04:52:10 PM
Quote from: jb666 on February 25, 2009, 04:51:11 PM
Quote from: MoparManJim on February 25, 2009, 04:49:18 PM
Boy Jeff, when I rad that post, I don't know what to belive from them. :shruggy:
Believe NONE of it.. Thomas sure knows how to sling the shit around.. Just wear knee high boots and you'll make it through his post.
I recommend fishing waders. :D :D
Think they really have a car at the Auto-Rama, or is it just more to throw on the floor? :shruggy:
I don't know, but I'll hire a P.I. to find out!!!!! :lol:
So, the owner spent over $100,000 to have BK build that car ? :rotz: And the pictures of rust holes, what do you think BK did with those ? I bet if the owner took the car to metal he would find bondo filling the holes and crappy welds just like on Jeff's car. There are no nice cars in BK's yard right now. Just junk and parts of cars.
It's such BS, this car was completed along time ago. I remember finding BK's site before you were so royally screwed Jeff, and that car was already there, complete, and already at the car show in the pics. I think he's just using this as a way to look like they are staying busy, when quite frankly, that may not be the case. Either way, I wouldn't trust Thomas Shubert as far as I could throw him. The only thing I could hope for is someday this TURD will Flush..... :flush:
Quote from: skip68 on February 25, 2009, 05:03:20 PM
So, the owner spent over $100,000 to have BK build that car ? :rotz: And the pictures of rust holes, what do you think BK did with those ? I bet if the owner took the car to metal he would find bondo filling the holes and crappy welds just like on Jeff's car. There are no nice cars in BK's yard right now. Just junk and parts of cars.
You can see lots of Dynamat in one pic. I know it's behind back seat, but I can only imagine what they covered up.
Yes, that is old news. I'm not sure what's going on with that email. But this I do know, Thomas Schubert and the rest of the BK clan must be taking a vacation. Lately the shop looks closed, black tarps on the fence and no cars out front. They may be inside hiding. :shruggy: :smilielol:
Quote from: skip68 on February 25, 2009, 05:19:01 PM
Yes, that is old news. I'm not sure what's going on with that email. But this I do know, Thomas Schubert and the rest of the BK clan must be taking a vacation. The shop looks closed, black tarps on the fence and no cars out front. They may be inside hiding. :shruggy: :smilielol:
I bet every day they look at this thread and think "this scam has gone way out of line." "Should have been a textbook ripoff, but this dude wants revenge." :lol: :lol:
Quote from: WingCharger on February 25, 2009, 05:20:35 PM
Quote from: skip68 on February 25, 2009, 05:19:01 PM
Yes, that is old news. I'm not sure what's going on with that email. But this I do know, Thomas Schubert and the rest of the BK clan must be taking a vacation. The shop looks closed, black tarps on the fence and no cars out front. They may be inside hiding. :shruggy: :smilielol:
I bet every day they look at this thread and think "this scam has gone way out of line." "Should have been a textbook ripoff, but this dude wants revenge." :lol: :lol:
:lol:
And get the names of the owners of these "NEW" buckets....
And point them here?? (or at least tell them to have a closer look at their cars)
Hell no. Get their names and addresses and phone numbers. Then point them here.........
Houston in November? Sounds warmer than Canada in November.
:scratchchin: I've spent vacation time in worst places..
Something to think about.
;)
Say that ain't so Chuck... :'( Not my good buddy Thomas "Turd Stain" Schubert...
Darn Jeff. Too bad you couldn't fit the Houston Autorama on your schedule. Maybe Jon could send you and your car down there in HIS booth with a nice display of how Jon and his crew fixed a BK restored car. :scratchchin:
Can you imagine what scene that would be? :smilielol:
Now I would go to see that. :smilielol: You could be right next to BK with your car showing how they build cars and how a good shop builds cars. That's just a nice dream though.
The hurricane was last year....so maybe he just got his light bill paid now ::) I bet it is a bitch sanding all that bondo by hand under candle light. As far as the 1975 Lincoln
'Mach 5' he must mean Mark V.....what a dumb ass.....Maybe he chopped up a Rustang to build it.
Ok...The Trans AM....6 figures spent?
1. What pro shop has cars on a rotissouri in the dirt...
2. Look at the firewall patches. are you kidding me?
3. Fender flares prepped for paint. I love them laying on a piece of plywood propped on two saw horses with some dudes water bottle in the pic. this is how you detail the build of a big dollar car?
4. master cylinder/booster: that looks a like gold spraypaint and not cad plated. for 100K you can't get it cad plated? or how about cad looking spraypaint? maybe it's the pics but that really really gold..
5. the motor build:. Indian has of course went out of business and after years of faithful service decided to let us have it right up the tailpipe as they floundered. But thats OK, we are used to doing everyone else's job anyway.
and End result is an engine in long block form that took more than $20,000 and over a year and a half of build time. If it was easy, everyone would do it. is that last one a shot at indian? as in maybe indian is not good enough at scamming people?
6.The reproduction 1973 front body pieces arrived and are test fit, repaired, primed and painte nice price club folding plastic table. I'd expect that and the previous plywood sawhorses in my garage, but I'm not charging people 100grand for a car.
7. the center console...love that fabrication clean room!! see the water cooler and copy machine. I always do all of my custom work in an office.
what a bunch of hacks. for what they charge, their shop should look like a real shop with real equipment. how much pride will they take in the build if they work in that crappy environment all day.
Quote from: dkn1997 on February 25, 2009, 07:56:38 PM
Ok...The Trans AM....6 figures spent?
1. What pro shop has cars on a rotissouri in the dirt...
2. Look at the firewall patches. are you kidding me?
3. Fender flares prepped for paint. I love them laying on a piece of plywood propped on two saw horses with some dudes water bottle in the pic. this is how you detail the build of a big dollar car?
4. master cylinder/booster: that looks a like gold spraypaint and not cad plated. for 100K you can't get it cad plated? or how about cad looking spraypaint? maybe it's the pics but that really really gold..
5. the motor build:. Indian has of course went out of business and after years of faithful service decided to let us have it right up the tailpipe as they floundered. But thats OK, we are used to doing everyone else's job anyway.
and End result is an engine in long block form that took more than $20,000 and over a year and a half of build time. If it was easy, everyone would do it. is that last one a shot at indian? as in maybe indian is not good enough at scamming people?
6.The reproduction 1973 front body pieces arrived and are test fit, repaired, primed and painte nice price club folding plastic table. I'd expect that and the previous plywood sawhorses in my garage, but I'm not charging people 100grand for a car.
7. the center console...love that fabrication clean room!! see the water cooler and copy machine. I always do all of my custom work in an office.
what a bunch of hacks. for what they charge, their shop should look like a real shop with real equipment. how much pride will they take in the build if they work in that crappy environment all day.
1. Yep!! (http://www.bkauto.net/media/images/74ta6.gif)
2. Yep!! (http://www.bkauto.net/media/images/74ta14.gif)
3. Yep!! (http://www.bkauto.net/media/images/74ta42.gif)
4. Definitely painted! (http://www.bkauto.net/media/images/74ta41.gif)
5. Yep!! (http://www.bkauto.net/media/images/74ta63.gif)
6. :rofl: (http://www.bkauto.net/media/images/74ta151.gif)
7. YEP!! (http://www.bkauto.net/media/images/74ta207.gif)
(http://www.bkauto.net/media/images/74ta211.gif)
(http://www.bkauto.net/media/images/74ta212.gif)
ALL INDICATIONS OF A $100k+ job. I guess this guy must have been cheap , too. He couldn't afford the good furniture BK tried to bill him for, so he went to IKEA.
You left out the 12 year old eyeballing his handy work. Next he's heading out to weld with his shorts on.
(http://www.bkauto.net/media/images/74ta213.gif)
:smilielol:
And to spend $100k+ and see THIS hack job in the trunk... WOW!!
(http://www.bkauto.net/media/images/74ta219.gif)
THIS part cracks me up. You've just wasted $100k+ of a customer's money and you have the nerve to say this about THIS:
its almost time for the unveiling at the World of Wheels AutoRama. Up until now, the customer has seen photos and the incomplete car but this show will be our opportunity to present the car to the customer as a finished product for inspection.
(http://www.bkauto.net/media/images/74ta250.gif)
And here, our mystery man, the proud owner of this car.. I wonder how proud he is now.
(http://www.bkauto.net/media/images/74ta271.gif)
Most important, $100k gets you THIS type of work instead of full quarter replacement. What do you expect!! :brickwall:
(http://www.bkauto.net/media/images/74ta13.gif)
I agree. You must have something to show for all of your success or money you claim to have made. I would say they have a money managing problem.
I just hope to christ he doesn't hit that "600 hp" motor too hard, and that car disingreates at high speed, and he gets hurt
Quote from: teamroth on February 25, 2009, 09:05:49 PM
I just hope to christ he doesn't hit that "600 hp" motor too hard, and that car disingreates at high speed, and he gets hurt
Don't you worry, if that "high dollar transmission rebuild" was done as well as mine only about 32HP made it to the rear wheels :cheers: :cheers:
When was the last time you heard of a 550+HP Hemi not being able to spin the tires? :rofl:
Uhh! I saw the video where it could barely make it onto the trailer
Quote from: teamroth on February 25, 2009, 09:12:32 PM
Uhh! I saw the video where it could barely make it onto the trailer
Yep, that was pretty much it. The transmission was so bad that it would barely move the car.. And the awesome 3500 stall converter that ended up being a trashed STOCK converter just complimented it. :cheers: :cheers:
;)
Quote from: skip68 on February 25, 2009, 09:25:28 PM
I love BK Auto for bringing all these people together. I bet more people know the name BK Automotive now then any and all the shows BK has ever been to since Thomas opened BK Automotive. :rofl: What an idiot. :smilielol:
:cheers:
;)
Quote from: skip68 on February 25, 2009, 09:31:33 PM
It's funny they mentioned jail. :smilielol: Does that sound funny to you Jeff ? :smilielol: :rofl:
It's more IRONIC than it is funny.
I forgot to post these yesterday.. The owner of the shop doing my body/paint work has (obviously) always been a Mopar nut.. This was one of his babies..
This was my 69, 1 owner from Berkley Calif 383 hp loaded SE all orig never restored
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/my69-1.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/my69.jpg)
I'll get some pictures of his other Mopars this weekend.. Some of them were absolutely amazing.. And that's not even including what he STILL owns :o
:icon_smile_big: I don't know anything Jeff. :rofl: Do you ? ;) Nice car.
Quote from: jb666 on February 25, 2009, 09:34:47 PM
I forgot to post these yesterday.. The owner of the shop doing my body/paint work has (obviously) always been a Mopar nut.. This was one of his babies..
This was my 69, 1 owner from Berkley Calif 383 hp loaded SE all orig never restored
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/my69-1.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/my69.jpg)
I'll get some pictures of his other Mopars this weekend.. Some of them were absolutely amazing.. And that's not even including what he STILL owns :o
:coolgleamA: unrestored also ..awesome stuff :yesnod:
:cheers:
:o I just noticed they said "COMPLETE RESTORATION" . :rotz: You can still see rust under the dash when they were doing the wiring. :slap: :smilielol: I want to find that guy and have him check his "complete restoration car" door for bondo. :rotz: :flame: An engine run stand where the engine is held in place by a cherry picker. :o WTF !
What's with gas tanks in trunks. They seem to do this alot. To me, for a street drivin car it seems dangerous and makes no sense at all. Not to mention the cost. :shruggy: What a waste. I would think there would be vapor issues.
Quote from: skip68 on February 26, 2009, 11:10:42 AM
:o I just noticed they said "COMPLETE RESTORATION" . :rotz: You can still see rust under the dash when they were doing the wiring. :slap: :smilielol: I want to find that guy and have him check his "complete restoration car" door for bondo. :rotz: :flame: An engine run stand where the engine is held in place by a cherry picker. :o WTF !
speaking of that engine run stand. Look where the "controls" are and look at the header collectors. Maybe if you stand between the pipes you won't inhale any fumes or feel the heat :shruggy: note how the photo makes it look like the drivers header is pointing at the MSD box and the passenger one is pointing at the fuel filter
Quote from: dkn1997 on February 26, 2009, 12:30:19 PM
Quote from: skip68 on February 26, 2009, 11:10:42 AM
:o I just noticed they said "COMPLETE RESTORATION" . :rotz: You can still see rust under the dash when they were doing the wiring. :slap: :smilielol: I want to find that guy and have him check his "complete restoration car" door for bondo. :rotz: :flame: An engine run stand where the engine is held in place by a cherry picker. :o WTF !
speaking of that engine run stand. Look where the "controls" are and look at the header collectors. Maybe if you stand between the pipes you won't inhale any fumes or feel the heat :shruggy: note how the photo makes it look like the drivers header is pointing at the MSD box and the passenger one is pointing at the fuel filter
I just noticed that!! That's a riot!! :lol: I wonder if there's a sticker on it that says "Use at your own risk. Chances of death or Carbon Monoxide Poisoning very strong". :brickwall:
No wonder they could "feel the power" when it was being run there...
Is that your car behind the stand Jeff??? Looks like your repaired front fender... :yesnod:
:cheers:
Jeff, that's all BK is. :yesnod: Just a bunch of hacks. You would think with all the money and high end builds they claim to do they would have state of the art equipment and shop. Another thing, has anyone ever even seen a paint booth in any photos ? :smilielol: I did see a picture of several colors of paint on a wall. I bet they just paint right in the shop. :smilielol:
Didn't someone say they thought their was three cars involved with your build... I see three GL's in that pic...wonder if one has two passanger seats?????
:cheers:
Quote from: captnsim on February 26, 2009, 12:53:39 PM
Is that your car behind the stand Jeff??? Looks like your repaired front fender... :yesnod:
They are also using water in that engine as well..........no antifreeze :slap: Oh I forgot it is always warm in Texas and everything is rust free........ ::)
:cheers:
:smilielol: :rofl:
I just read all 109 pages of this and all I can say is SHAMWOW! I can't even decide what shocks me the most.
I do know this for sure. There is no way in hell the guy that sold you that car had no clue about its condition. I don't care how mechanically ignorant you are there is no way he could have broke the positive pole off of the starter without being under the car. I can't be the only one here that has changed a hemi starter. You can't even see the thing from the top. HE KNEW!
Jb666 in the midst of all of this turmoil and disappointment you should hold your head up high and be proud of how you have dealt with this. You have admitted in front of the world that you were blinded by your dream (we have all been there). You have turned the bad into good and are going to eventually have one hell of a nice car. I never would have been able to deal with this with even an ounce of you composer.
Skip68 You are an animal. You have gone out of your way to help not just one stranger but every "car guy" in the world. Your resources seem to be endless and you and jb666 deserve some sort of reward for what you are doing. I would love to shake your hand and drink beer with both of you!
I also think it's outstanding that nether of you are in this for the money. You just want to stop BK from crushing anyone else's dreams. I feel any monetary compensation would be a bonus for you. That is probably good because I'm sure there is a long line of people that BK has hosed and I'm sure there isn't any ware near enough money to go around.
On a side note. I can't help but wonder if the Christine '58 fury that BK is surly butchering is the car that was pulled out of the time capsule in Oklahoma. LOL.
Just so you know I was linked here from moparnuts and many of us are watching your story.
Greetings and good luck to you from Michigan's Upper Peninsula.
Stretch
Quote from: skip68 on February 26, 2009, 01:56:39 PM
I think the new game is where's Thomas Schubert ? :smilielol: :rofl:
t'om'as sh'u'ber't-A common rodent found in the southern United States. Recently, it has begun a migration to the south. :nana: :nana:
Quote from: Stretch on February 26, 2009, 03:40:34 PM
I just read all 109 pages of this and all I can say is SHAMWOW! I can't even decide what shocks me the most.
I do know this for sure. There is no way in hell the guy that sold you that car had no clue about its condition. I don't care how mechanically ignorant you are there is no way he could have broke the positive pole off of the starter without being under the car. I can't be the only one here that has changed a hemi starter. You can't even see the thing from the top. HE KNEW!
Jb666 in the midst of all of this turmoil and disappointment you should hold your head up high and be proud of how you have dealt with this. You have admitted in front of the world that you were blinded by your dream (we have all been there). You have turned the bad into good and are going to eventually have one hell of a nice car. I never would have been able to deal with this with even an ounce of you composer.
Skip68 You are an animal. You have gone out of your way to help not just one stranger but every "car guy" in the world. Your resources seem to be endless and you and jb666 deserve some sort of reward for what you are doing. I would love to shake your hand and drink beer with both of you!
I also think it's outstanding that nether of you are in this for the money. You just want to stop BK from crushing anyone else's dreams. I feel any monetary compensation would be a bonus for you. That is probably good because I'm sure there is a long line of people that BK has hosed and I'm sure there isn't any ware near enough money to go around.
On a side note. I can't help but wonder if the Christine '58 fury that BK is surly butchering is the car that was pulled out of the time capsule in Oklahoma. LOL.
Just so you know I was linked here from moparnuts and many of us are watching your story.
Greetings and good luck to you from Michigan's Upper Peninsula.
Stretch
Stretch -- You had me cracking up with the SHAMWOW crack!! My daughter says that to me every day!!
Anyways, thanks for the good words, I appreciate it. And thanks for the support (here and there). I know where MY faults are, and I'm certainly not blind to that, and I can promise you something like this will NEVER happen to me again.
As for Chuck, you are right, the guy has gone so far out of his way to help me, and this entire situation. It's actually quite amazing.
Thanks again!! :cheers:
Are ya with me camera guy?! :icon_smile_wink:
:cheers: Thank you and welcome to the site Stretch. Jeff has done a great job of keeping his eye on the ball and not just giving up were others may. I do play lots of jokes on him as I think it keeps him grounded and makes him laugh. ;) But, at the same time I have several wheels set in motion for good old BK. This shop has taken away dreams, so I want to return the favor. I don't want people to feel like they can't trust restoration shops as most ARE NOT like these guys. This thread will open eyes and help people that may be in the same boat, or keep them from getting in the same boat. When we are done I will post a thread that has all the links of agencies and steps I took to do what I'm doing so others can help themselves. :2thumbs: Chuck..........
:cheers:
;)
Here's another car that my shop painted back in 1984.
I ABSOLUTELY LOVE this car...
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/mychallenger003Medium.jpg)
:drool5:
Sweet...man those wheels look great.
Quote from: Stretch on February 26, 2009, 03:49:27 PM
Are ya with me camera guy?! :icon_smile_wink:
Get back in yer hole!!
:icon_smile_big:
Quote from: Stretch on February 26, 2009, 03:40:34 PM
On a side note. I can't help but wonder if the Christine '58 fury that BK is surly butchering is the car that was pulled out of the time capsule in Oklahoma. LOL.
Stretch
I saw a newspaper article on that car when they pulled it out - I'm pretty sure Coddington was going to restore it, but I haven't heard anything about it for a while. Since their shop is closed now I'm guessing somebody else will be doing it.
:2thumbs:
Thats...interesting. Nice looking work. :2thumbs:
And here are a few more of BK's "cover up" shots...
Keep in mind the door post is being replaced with a clean donor post. :2thumbs:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/genrallee029Medium.jpg)
Quarter trim pc cut to fit ::) , Now I'll be looking for one of these if anyone here has it??
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/genrallee028Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/genrallee027Medium.jpg)
Rear tale panel cut off. What a mess :yesnod:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/genrallee026Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/genrallee025Medium.jpg)
Quote from: captnsim on February 26, 2009, 08:31:35 PM
Thats...interesting. Nice looking work. :2thumbs:
Yeah, the little pickup with the mural is cool. It was built to be a tow rig for the car.
Quote from: KS71owner on February 26, 2009, 08:17:16 PM
Quote from: Stretch on February 26, 2009, 03:40:34 PM
On a side note. I can't help but wonder if the Christine '58 fury that BK is surly butchering is the car that was pulled out of the time capsule in Oklahoma. LOL.
Stretch
I saw a newspaper article on that car when they pulled it out - I'm pretty sure Coddington was going to restore it, but I haven't heard anything about it for a while. Since their shop is closed now I'm guessing somebody else will be doing it.
He walked away from it. The guys that own safestrustremover.com did start on it. Not sure if they kept at it or not.
That stuff they sell is amazing. I think the only problem I see with using it on that car is that it removes rust. If you do that, what's left.
:scratchchin: Who's up for renting a water drop plane, loading it up with safest rust remover and flying over a certain shop in Houston?
:lol:
Quote from: jb666 on February 26, 2009, 08:31:43 PM
And here are a few more of BK's "cover up" shots...
Oof! There's my dinner again. :puke:
Quote from: jb666 on February 26, 2009, 08:43:28 PM
I'll rent the plane!!! :2thumbs: Hell, I could have bought a small plane with what I've got into restoring BK's restoration!!
A cleanse the Earth mission. So to speak. :rofl:
Quote from: dodgecharger-fan on February 26, 2009, 08:45:33 PM
Quote from: jb666 on February 26, 2009, 08:43:28 PM
I'll rent the plane!!! :2thumbs: Hell, I could have bought a small plane with what I've got into restoring BK's restoration!!
A cleanse the Earth mission. So to speak. :rofl:
I vote for Napalm! :flame:
They did say that they had a hurricane at BK. Look at it as a late hurricane relief drop. :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol:
ok I want to add some emoticons....you guys get carried away with em so it's my turn. :yesnod:
I looked at the 74 TA build. what a joke! :eek2: :smilielol: ::) :shruggy: :slap: :rotz:
ok just my :Twocents:
seriously Jeff I try to keep up on whats goin on. I still shake my head in disbelief. :shruggy: :rotz:
:yesnod:
How... how much longer will it take for:
a) BK to turn into dust?
b) Your GL to come back from the ashes?
I just finished looking at the pics from that Firebird build... what a crock. The Republican? What kind of pandering is that?
The Mark IV is another mess... he claims patriotism through past military service? Was he dishonourably discharged? I wouldn't trust him with a model, let alone a real car.
The site doesn't look like its been updated in a while... they are still displaying the link to Boyd's death - that was over a year ago.
I feel bad for the owner of the Firebird... I really do. And the owners of anything else they have built.
Are you taking legal action?
damnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn
:lol:
cant believe your still uncovering damage
Quote from: autodynamics on February 26, 2009, 11:39:38 PM
cant believe your still uncovering damage
Nothing surprises me any more. Wait.. Finding something done RIGHT would shock the Hell out of me!!
Quote from: jb666 on February 26, 2009, 11:35:47 PM
Quote from: bogus on February 26, 2009, 11:25:50 PM
How... how much longer will it take for:
a) BK to turn into dust?
b) Your GL to come back from the ashes?
I just finished looking at the pics from that Firebird build... what a crock. The Republican? What kind of pandering is that?
The Mark IV is another mess... he claims patriotism through past military service? Was he dishonourably discharged? I wouldn't trust him with a model, let alone a real car.
The site doesn't look like its been updated in a while... they are still displaying the link to Boyd's death - that was over a year ago.
I feel bad for the owner of the Firebird... I really do. And the owners of anything else they have built.
Are you taking legal action?
Hi Andy.. Well...
A. Is in the works.
B. Is definitely in the works and looking better EVERY DAY!!
As far as feeling bad for owner(s) of BK vehicles, I'm with you. There are plenty that deserve pity. I don't see myself as one since I got myself into this mess, but imagine the poor guy in another country who sent BK his life savings for his dream car and got a trash can? Those are the people I feel sorry for, that are so far away and completely helpless.
How about the kid that's been saving for 10 years and is FINALLY able to put that deposit on his "dream car"?? Maybe bumping into this thread online will save him from the biggest headache of his life.
Either way, it's all good.
And last, don't you worry, more legal avenues are being traveled than BK will be able to handle. They are traveling on a very narrow one way street and are being met head on by a steam roller. Only 'one way' for them to go.
Keep an eye on the thread, I'll be posting pictures quite often!!Quote from: autodynamics on February 26, 2009, 11:32:10 PM
damnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn
What's wrong? :lol:
I just cannot believe that the prior owner didn't see any of these problems.
I will keep track of this... the thread has doubled since I last checked it!!
keep posting pics, the progress is amazing so far and the speed in which they are working,,, what do you think your total resto is gonna cost you??
:slap:
That works. That's pretty much how I got as far as I did before things tightened up and I had to stop.
Someone point me to this (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Dodge-Charger-1969-Dodge-Charger-Daytona-Clone_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ6199QQihZ013QQitemZ230326473978QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW) toady and even though the auction has ended the 1st two things that came to my mind is:
1. either this is one of BK's finished projects
2. this car will be one of BK's next projects
:smilielol:
:cheers:
AMENS to that!
It still astound me, BK probably spends more time butchering things up and then trying to finish it off nicely than if they Just did it right in the first place.
I've been in Construction (Sheet Metal Worker) 27 years, and it amazes me how people spend more time and effort trying to take a shortcut, When all they needed to do was just do it the right way !
It's hard to find real Tradesmen these days.
Ron
:cheers:
Quote from: Big Sugar on February 27, 2009, 05:44:19 PM
It still astound me, BK probably spends more time butchering things up and then trying to finish it off nicely than if they Just did it right in the first place.
I've been in Construction (Sheet Metal Worker) 27 years, and it amazes me how people spend more time and effort trying to take a shortcut, When all they needed to do was just do it the right way !
It's hard to find real Tradesmen these days.
Ron
I think know why this happens. 1. the "right way" usually requires planning and having the right parts, equipment
2. most don't know how to do it the right way.
the planning is huge. it takes patience. especially the first time, such as the first time you build a car. you find out what 'would have' made the job easier and if you're smart, you build into the plan for next time. this first time out usually requires that you take stuff apart that you already did because you see your errors.
BK and many other hacks like to just use what they have and don't have the patience to take it apart and do it over again if it's wrong.
Quote from: Big Sugar on February 27, 2009, 05:44:19 PM
It still astound me, BK probably spends more time butchering things up and then trying to finish it off nicely than if they Just did it right in the first place.
I've been in Construction (Sheet Metal Worker) 27 years, and it amazes me how people spend more time and effort trying to take a shortcut, When all they needed to do was just do it the right way !
It's hard to find real Tradesmen these days.
Ron
That was definitely a mouthful!! And well said!
That is one of the worlds biggest problems today ! Everyone wants the most pay for the least work!
Ok , here's a small example of what will be at my display this summer.. Above it will be a banner that reads "THIS IS WHAT YOU GET FOR $70K"
Rear quarter shots..
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6120Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6122Medium.jpg)
Nice and thick!!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6123Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6128Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6130Medium.jpg)
And you will LOVE the roll bar. The welding on it is awesome...
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6124Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6126Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6125Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6127Medium.jpg)
I think BK's media blasting company did work on this dude's porche:
http://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=5057856&page=0&vc=1&PHPSESSID=#Post5057856
:o
Has this thread been linked over on MoParts? :shruggy:
Quote from: jb666 on February 27, 2009, 06:21:38 PM
Quote from: dkn1997 on February 27, 2009, 06:18:20 PM
I think BK's media blasting company did work on this dude's porche:
http://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=5057856&page=0&vc=1&PHPSESSID=#Post5057856
Too funny!!! Nice post :rofl:
:lol: thats funny :lol:
Quote from: jb666 on February 27, 2009, 06:09:18 PM
Ok , here's a small example of what will be at my display this summer.. Above it will be a banner that reads "THIS IS WHAT YOU GET FOR $70K"
Rear quarter shots..
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6120Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6122Medium.jpg)
Nice and thick!!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6123Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6128Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6130Medium.jpg)
And you will LOVE the roll bar. The welding on it is awesome...
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6124Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6126Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6125Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6127Medium.jpg)
holy Hack job batman .... every time i look at this Jeff ... can't believe this stuff , ...
i dont know if its been addressed but the butcher kings must of done more cars like this to have such expierence i would be curious to see what they did when they first started in business.... holy crap batman......there got to be more victims
Has there been any welds that BK did that are complete ? It looks like all the welds I've seen , even on other cars they built, are a bunch of tack welds. I saw a floor pan they did on another car and it was just tack welded and not sealed. :rotz:
:cheers:
That scrolling picture series with their tags is a great idea. Remember to have your camcorder with you so you can interview people after they look at that and your display of finely sculpted bondo. You can make a copy of it and mail it to your good buddy Thomas so he can hear what others think of their fabulous skills. Maybe he can show his prison mates what he's in for. :smilielol:
:smilielol:
He could also do some detailing.
You know....
wax on, wax off...... :D
He wouldn't last long with the quality of his work...
He would "buff" too hard.
You know, one thing I've forgotten here, over the weeks, is to give a HUGE THANK YOU to everyone here that's helped me..
Mike -- Without your grill pcs mine wouldn't look like new right now. Your knowledge of GL's is amazing! I'm glad you made the trip down.
Jason from Gunslinger - You've saved me a ton of $$ - THANKS for the great service!!!!!!!!!
1Hot68 - You are the man :cheers:
Skip - Eh, you already know :slap:
Steve - :cheers: I know it's a PITA, but you've done a great job maintaining order!!
there are so many more, but I'm on my way out the door. The support and help I've received since the beginning of this nightmare has been incredible. My hat goes off to you guys :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
Quote from: jb666 on February 27, 2009, 06:09:18 PM
Ok , here's a small example of what will be at my display this summer.. Above it will be a banner that reads "THIS IS WHAT YOU GET FOR $70K"
Rear quarter shots..
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6120Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6122Medium.jpg)
Nice and thick!!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6123Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6128Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6130Medium.jpg)
And you will LOVE the roll bar. The welding on it is awesome...
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6124Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6126Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6125Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6127Medium.jpg)
A display for all this stuff is a great idea. May I suggest a digital slideshow of all the pics as well, either displayed in a digital picture frame or burned to a DVD and displayed on a nice big TV set.....or just a laptop. Last time my company did a trade show we did that, it was pretty easy to put together and quite effective.
Quote from: RS23 71 on February 27, 2009, 02:08:21 PM
Someone point me to this (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Dodge-Charger-1969-Dodge-Charger-Daytona-Clone_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ6199QQihZ013QQitemZ230326473978QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW) toady and even though the auction has ended the 1st two things that came to my mind is:
1. either this is one of BK's finished projects
2. this car will be one of BK's next projects
:smilielol:
Does even BK have enough bondo to repair that thing? It's not a rust bucket... it IS rust.
And people tried to tell me these things don't rust. HA!
Quote from: bogus on February 28, 2009, 12:31:41 PM
Quote from: RS23 71 on February 27, 2009, 02:08:21 PM
Someone point me to this (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Dodge-Charger-1969-Dodge-Charger-Daytona-Clone_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ6199QQihZ013QQitemZ230326473978QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW) toady and even though the auction has ended the 1st two things that came to my mind is:
1. either this is one of BK's finished projects
2. this car will be one of BK's next projects
:smilielol:
Does even BK have enough bondo to repair that thing? It's not a rust bucket... it IS rust.
And people tried to tell me these things don't rust. HA!
Thats ready for paint in BK's book... Just needs a little smoothing...
:cheers:
Candy??? :drool5:
:2thumbs:
Ok, I'm not sure where to start, so I'll just jump in..
If you don't remember what the car looked like last weekend, look here before seeing these pictures, so that you can see just what's been done this week. Scroll about 1/2 way down where the pictures begin.
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,50620.2040.html
The chrome/vinyl roof trim holes are filled in, along with the holes for the Charger emblems that were there. These were filled in with weld, not mud. They are all coated over on top, as you can see. Smooth as a baby's bottom!!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2477Medium.jpg)
ALL areas up here that were rotted were cut out and fresh metal is now in it's place. The post was sent to me this week by 1Hot68, so that entire (old) post will be cut out once that arrives. It wasn't worth cutting/patching it when a clean donor pc was available.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2478Medium.jpg)
The cowl is repaired on both sides.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2479Medium.jpg)
The windshield trim/channel is repaired. That, as you may remember was a MESS. You can go back a few pages for reference. I will find the exact location in this thread and post a link in a few minutes.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2480Medium.jpg)
The top of the quarters outside/in was rotted on both sides. This has been replaced and is still a work in progress
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2481Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2482Medium.jpg)
Check out the old vs new ends of the rear quarters where the trim extensions go on :eek2:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2483Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2484Medium.jpg)
The trunk/lock support once the rear panel was cut off... Left hanging. And the shop discovered BK didn't even weld the rear of the trunk pan in when they "installed" it.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2485Medium.jpg)
Driver's side upper quarter metal, old vs new:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2486Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2487Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2488Medium.jpg)
TO BE CONTINUED........
Rear panel removed.. The new one will be here the middle of this week.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2489Medium.jpg)
The lower valance is done, as well. I've asked the shop NOT to put the 'line' back in the panel that separates the sections. I like the smooth look, and knowing it's not smooth with BONDO is great.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2490Medium.jpg)
Driver's side work in progress:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2491Medium.jpg)
The driver's side door post was fairly solid to begin with. It required new metal in a couple of spots:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2492Medium.jpg)
Just an odd shot showing the rear window/roof line. This is the section that the huge 2" thick chunks of Bondo (earlier in this thread) came from.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2494Medium.jpg)
A few random shots to compare to what I posted from last week...
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2507Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2508Medium.jpg)
Just to show how bad this post really is:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2509Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2513Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2517Medium.jpg)
TO BE CONTINUED....
Just a couple of random shots..
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2511Medium.jpg)
This I took because I LOVED the metal-flake in this paint :coolgleamA:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2495Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2496Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2506Medium.jpg)
Here's a couple of tanks that were recently done. AWESOME, in person. The paint/detail is incredible!!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2497Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2498Medium.jpg)
And here are a few of the shop's project cars.
THIS IS AWESOME!!!!!!!!! If you could have seen the chassis and design work that went into this thing :o . Jon built the car, now it's here to be turned into a show piece!!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2500Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2501Medium.jpg)
Another cool rod:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2499Medium.jpg)
This is awesome in person too!! I love the old Pontiacs.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2502Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2503Medium.jpg)
A '71 Charger 440 hood hanging on the wall:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2504Medium.jpg)
A couple of chopper projects going on:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2505Medium.jpg)
And finally, one of the nicest custom bikes you'll ever see. This guy's a riot, and has got talent oozing out of every pore!!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2516Medium.jpg)
THE END of pictures for today.
Wow those are some nice looking rides... :yesnod: Good idea to ditch that door post. :2thumbs: Glad to see your on the down hill side of the battle :cheers:
Quote from: captnsim on February 28, 2009, 02:37:07 PM
Wow those are some nice looking rides... :yesnod: Good idea to ditch that door post. :2thumbs: Glad to see your on the up hill side of the battle :cheers:
You have no idea how good it felt not to see the car looking like swiss cheese this week. It's the first time in a while I've felt GOOD about this thing and can actually picture the finished product!! :cheers:
Is it just me or does the passenger side of the roll bar that goes down by the door look bent ? :shruggy:
:2thumbs:
JB, does the BK stand for Bondo King? Also, have you considered adding some metalflake to the orange once it gets painted or is it going to be a dead nuts, replica to the show?
I'd scrap those bars. But, that's just me. I just know that having kids it makes it nice to not have them climbing all over like the center just to get in the back seat. Again, just my :Twocents:
::)
I've been following along 'n I'm glad your pushing through and building the car you want, i wonder if i could trouble you for a couple shots of the orange 300 M next to your ride,.. I'm a fan being a M owner and have never seen one that color before, which looks to be the modern "Burnt Orange"..
OK. I'm sorry. That monk-e-mail was cool. :smilielol: :2thumbs: I'll leave the car design to you guys and I'll go back to my corner. P.S. Give this to Jon. :moon:
:cheers:
Have you seen those digital picture frames? Instead of bringing a laptop you could set a couple of them in you trunk and not have to do anything. It is it's own digital slide show. You can load pics from your camera memory card. Just stick the card in and let it go, it will display as many pics as you card has. You can set you slide show for how long to show each pic....5 sec, 10 sec, etc. I got one for like 50 bucks and has like a 5 X 7 screen. They have larger ones as well. I'm not sure if you can get ones that run on battery's or not. If you had power though it would be a great way to show all the carnage.
:cheers:
And if there's anyone here that frequents the F-Body forums, I'm on a mission to find this poor guy.
(http://www.bkauto.net/media/images/74ta271.gif)
:popcrn:
Remember me asking about that last year ? I said I bet that the old crappy covers are still on under the new ones. :rotz: I've been trying to find him too. We will.
:2thumbs:
Quote from: skip68 on February 28, 2009, 04:11:21 PM
Remember me asking about that last year ? I said I bet that the old crappy covers are still on under the new ones. :rotz: I've been trying to find him too. We will.
Contact BK at a different email address saying you are a magazine editor, and you want to run a story on his professionally built Firebird. It looks like quite a unique car. :icon_smile_big: :icon_smile_big:
:cheers:
JB, I'm a GM F-body guy, but I don't belong to any of the F-bod forums, because it is mostly the 98-02 Crapmaros and Ls-this and Ls-that.. :RantExplode:
I find it funny that they put a '73 nose on it but they kept the 75 Bumper and taillights, not to mention they put '72 Grilles on there..At least they kept a Pontiac in a Pontiac..
Anyways.. Did BK mess with your Vin tag or Fender tag at all?
:cheers:
FAIL! Man, once you get this car done, I hope you do burnouts all over their lawn! These guys make my dog look like a master mechanic!
Quote from: jb666 on February 28, 2009, 04:14:48 PM
Quote from: WingCharger on February 28, 2009, 04:13:31 PM
Quote from: skip68 on February 28, 2009, 04:11:21 PM
Remember me asking about that last year ? I said I bet that the old crappy covers are still on under the new ones. :rotz: I've been trying to find him too. We will.
Contact BK at a different email address saying you are a magazine editor, and you want to run a story on his professionally built Firebird. It looks like quite a unique car. :icon_smile_big: :icon_smile_big:
Which Magazine, Hacks & Sacks? Mad Magazine? The Enquirer?
A new GM magazine called "F-Body Magazine." You just started printing about 3 months ago, so you have no website. :icon_smile_big:
Quote from: jb666 on February 28, 2009, 01:50:19 PM
Nope, my name's Jeff. I don't know anyone named Candy, except the lady in the state controllers office that Chuck's dealing with, but I'll have some good pictures :icon_smile_big:
I'm still waiting on the pics of Candy.....
Sorry Jeff, couldn't resist... :cheers:
:cheers:
:smilielol: to funny
I was just back looking at the pictures of the 74 Pontiac BK so called restored. ::) I noticed the one that shows the guy outside with a mask on Chemical stripping the door and chemicals going right on the dirt. You can see it's all wet. WTF ! I guess I need to make another call. ;)
:2thumbs:
;)
:cheers:
That's the one. :cheers: He's got gloves on and a mask so I'm guessing it's not water. :smilielol: That's not good at all. Even in the country out on a farm you can't do that. So, do you think they can do this in the city limits. I guess I'll have to find out. :naughty:
:cheers:
Quote from: skip68 on February 28, 2009, 03:19:10 PM
I'd scrap those bars. But, that's just me. I just know that having kids it makes it nice to not have them climbing all over like the center just to get in the back seat. Again, just my :Twocents:
The bars started all of this, didn't they? Ya can't take 'em out now!!
:cheers:
Quote from: jb666 on February 28, 2009, 09:28:48 PM
Quote from: dodgecharger-fan on February 28, 2009, 08:52:23 PM
Quote from: skip68 on February 28, 2009, 03:19:10 PM
I'd scrap those bars. But, that's just me. I just know that having kids it makes it nice to not have them climbing all over like the center just to get in the back seat. Again, just my :Twocents:
The bars started all of this, didn't they? Ya can't take 'em out now!!
YEP! This whole thing started because I brought it in for a roll bar...
Actually, if you want to get technical, it started because the guy who owns this car told me I had some problems I should have looked at immediately.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2139Large.jpg)
I met him on a Sunday afternoon to show him the "new car", and him being a body guy looked it over and picked it apart.. I went there feeling like a million $$ and I left pissed off. It was THE NEXT NIGHT it went to Jon's shop... The rest is history.
You sure he was talking about the car??? :smilielol: Just kidding :cheers:
:cheers:
You get that free with every car purchase... Only at BK auto
:cheers:
What experience??? Playing in mud as a kid... :shruggy:
Can't keep up with the screw ups more like it... :yesnod:
Finding people who don't care about their work more like it... :yesnod:
Skills???? Their is a politically incorrect expression for Tommy's skills... It ends in rigger.
Check your pm's Jeff. You lost the bet. I win. :nana:
Quote from: jb666 on February 28, 2009, 09:28:48 PM
Quote from: dodgecharger-fan on February 28, 2009, 08:52:23 PM
Quote from: skip68 on February 28, 2009, 03:19:10 PM
I'd scrap those bars. But, that's just me. I just know that having kids it makes it nice to not have them climbing all over like the center just to get in the back seat. Again, just my :Twocents:
The bars started all of this, didn't they? Ya can't take 'em out now!!
YEP! This whole thing started because I brought it in for a roll bar...
Actually, if you want to get technical, it started because the guy who owns this car told me I had some problems I should have looked at immediately.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2139Large.jpg)
I met him on a Sunday afternoon to show him the "new car", and him being a body guy looked it over and picked it apart.. I went there feeling like a million $$ and I left pissed off. It was THE NEXT NIGHT it went to Jon's shop... The rest is history.
Aren't you glad that you have friends that sometime piss you off? You should be very thankful for me! :yesnod:
If you're looking for the Firebird owner, maybe check http://forums.performanceyears.com/forums/
Quote from: jb666 on February 28, 2009, 04:09:40 PM
And if there's anyone here that frequents the F-Body forums, I'm on a mission to find this poor guy.
(http://www.bkauto.net/media/images/74ta271.gif)
:popcrn:
Jeff, I just posted a BOLO on the Performance Years forum in the 74-76 Firebird section.
EDIT: BLUE posted that suggestion while I was on PY...good timing, huh? :2thumbs:
I hope we can find him and he works with us. All he needs to do is pull off the door panel and look for the bondo. For $100,000 plus, he should have a new door skin or another door that was solid. But I'd bet my ass that they smeared bondo or some other filler over the bad spots. :yesnod: For over 100 grand that car should be better than new.
666,
Check your PM's
Hey look, parts of the general around the yard
::)
(http://www.bkauto.net/media/images/74ta282.gif)
I'm thinking of offering a reward to anyone that can bring us some more customers of BK. I want all we can find. $10,000 REWARD FOR A CUSTOMER OF BK ! Contact Jeff for the money. :rofl: :smilielol: :nana: OK, OK, How about we send you some bondo from the famous car instead of cash ?
Quote from: skip68 on February 28, 2009, 11:23:00 PM
Check your pm's Jeff. You lost the bet. I win. :nana:
Jeff doesn't pay when he loses. :hah:
:cheers:
Quote from: jb666 on February 28, 2009, 08:30:13 PM
Don't you worry, I have every page of BK's site saved...
You mean this one?
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/74ta15.gif)
:icon_smile_big:
I'd bet the owner of the T/A got a big sandblasting bill like Brian did :shruggy:
maybe the sandblast guy was absent that day too?
The reason why they waited so long to say anything on the firebird is they was gonna see if the sucker that bought it noticed any carnage....I guess he didn't......yet.
Another thing this shows us is just because a car is in a show that don't mean sh$%. Shiny paint doesn't mean the car is built good.
Quote from: skip68 on March 01, 2009, 11:46:25 AM
Another thing this shows us is just because a car is in a show that don't mean sh$%. Shiny paint doesn't mean the car is built good.
That is for sure!! There are lots of shiny clunkers across the country with trophies sitting next to them!
Quote from: 1hot68 on March 01, 2009, 11:58:47 AM
Quote from: skip68 on March 01, 2009, 11:46:25 AM
Another thing this shows us is just because a car is in a show that don't mean sh$%. Shiny paint doesn't mean the car is built good.
That is for sure!! There are lots of shiny clunkers across the country with trophies sitting next to them!
They get checked out less at those type of shows where they are blocked off for close inspection. A dog in a pen is a different dog when it gets loose.
:cheers:
This is interesting logic:
"Each car we did was more expensive and of a higher quality than the next"
So, you start out with "high quality" and "expensive" and it all goes down hill from there?
:coolgleamA: <-- Grammar police.
At least it's true in this case. :lol:
:cheers:
When this is done, what will we talk about ? :shruggy: Chargers ?
has anyone noticed that the pics that BK post are plentiful, but small? An absolutely overwhelming pile of misinformation.
I give them props for staging the pics very well. It takes a bit of effort to find the bugs in them!
:cheers:
:rotz: :'( no no no, I don't want to start looking at them. I can only go so far free. ;)
Quote from: skip68 on March 01, 2009, 07:23:08 PM
When this is done, what will we talk about ? :shruggy: Chargers ?
We are gonna talk about all the car shows we all go to and all the fun we had cruising in our cars during the summer. I have got cabin fever. :brickwall:
I NEED FOR IT TO WARM UP SO I CAN START WORKING ON MY CAR!!!
:cheers:
Quote from: jb666 on March 01, 2009, 11:22:59 AM
Quote from: Marsh on March 01, 2009, 12:58:30 AM
Quote from: skip68 on February 28, 2009, 11:23:00 PM
Check your pm's Jeff. You lost the bet. I win. :nana:
Jeff doesn't pay when he loses. :hah:
Ok, first, let's clear this up, we made a bet, I paid you, you returned it with a note of "Your crazy" :lol: , you have selective memory loss my friend. :icon_smile_big:
Easy there tonto :nana:
:lol:
Quote from: jb666 on March 01, 2009, 09:29:05 PM
Quote from: Marsh on March 01, 2009, 09:25:55 PM
Quote from: jb666 on March 01, 2009, 11:22:59 AM
Quote from: Marsh on March 01, 2009, 12:58:30 AM
Quote from: skip68 on February 28, 2009, 11:23:00 PM
Check your pm's Jeff. You lost the bet. I win. :nana:
Jeff doesn't pay when he loses. :hah:
Ok, first, let's clear this up, we made a bet, I paid you, you returned it with a note of "Your crazy" :lol: , you have selective memory loss my friend. :icon_smile_big:
Easy there tonto :nana:
Hey, isn't it past your bed time!! :pity:
Can you believe what this has all come to??
I don't have a bed time. :eyes:
I will tell you what, I still can't believe you have held your cool after all this crap. Did you figure out yet if you were taking the car to Carlisle?
Glad to see the car coming along so well now. Looks amazing considering the starting point. It's one thing to have to clean up an old shell before you start, it's another to have to clean up an old set of mistakes! Although, perhaps mistakes is an inadequate terminology in this instance.
:smilielol: Set of mistakes, That whole car was a mistake. Welcome to the site kyteler. :cheers: Jeff, it's late so go to bed. ;)
...
I would bet that the guy in the picture with his hand on the hood of that Capitalism TA isn't even the owner of the car. He's probably just some guy that was looking at it and Thomas asked him if he wanted a picture with the car. The guy is standing outside of the chain after all. Hell I wouldn't be surprised to find out that is Thomas's Dad. Lord knows every thing he says or does is misleading B.S.
:cheers:
Hey 1Hot68, thanks for the passenger side door post. It's as clean as you said and a LOT more than I thought it was going to be. It's donor parts like this that make projects like mine possible :cheers: :cheers:
Quote from: jb666 on March 02, 2009, 10:00:14 PM
Hey 1Hot68, thanks for the passenger side door post. It's as clean as you said and a LOT more than I thought it was going to be. It's donor parts like this that make projects like mine possible :cheers: :cheers:
Enjoy it in good health!!!!
But yeah, I hope it works out well. :2thumbs:
Jeff: I just finished reading the entire thread. What BK's doing...that shit aint right. Anyway, I found some info on Royal Purple's faq page I thought you might find intersting.
Does Royal Purple maintain its purple color after it's put into service?
No. The dye that's used to color the oil dissipates shortly after being put into service. The color will turn brown at some point.
I'm on your side, & wouldn't want BK to be able to dispute any of your claims.
Stretch: How's that baby girl? I hope she looks like her mom!
:cheers:
Quote from: WS23U1A on March 03, 2009, 02:55:19 PM
Stretch: How's that baby girl? I hope she looks like her mom!
She's doing great, and I hope she looks just like me so I don't have to worry about boys! LOL
bk can always reopen under another name. bummer.
I hope the next BK uniform Thomas will have on will come with an apron and smell of french fries and the biggest thing he is in charge of is cooking them tasty patties. :smilielol: ;) Chuck...........
Quote from: skip68 on March 04, 2009, 01:48:07 AM
I hope the next BK uniform Thomas will have on will come with an apron and smell of french fries and the biggest thing he is in charge of is cooking them tasty patties. :smilielol: ;) Chuck...........
Bondo Burgers?
No thank you. :eek2:
:cheers:
Quote from: jb666 on March 04, 2009, 09:19:35 AM
Quote from: dodgecharger-fan on March 04, 2009, 09:18:00 AM
Quote from: skip68 on March 04, 2009, 01:48:07 AM
I hope the next BK uniform Thomas will have on will come with an apron and smell of french fries and the biggest thing he is in charge of is cooking them tasty patties. :smilielol: ;) Chuck...........
Bondo Burgers?
No thank you. :eek2:
Well, look on the bright side, He wouldn't have to change his motto if he went into that industry...
"BK - Have it your way!"
:shruggy:
Don't you mean. "BK - Have it MY way!"
A quick update, the body shop got the passenger's door post that I received yesterday and said it was an extremely clean section, and that it'll work perfectly. I will have some great pictures when I go down on Saturday!! :cheers: :cheers:
I'll be waiting for the "good" photos to be posted then.
Here are a few, hot off the press, showing the new passenger's door post courtesy of 1HOT68!!!
The old one is history!!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/genrallee031Medium.jpg)
And wow, it's clean under there!!
On and ready to weld!!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/genrallee033Medium.jpg)
Paint stripped and prepped!!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/genrallee032Medium.jpg)
And check out the shop owner's '71 Cuda Hemi Convertible (clone). :drool5: It's been sold since, but WOW!!! This thing was loaded.. Leather, AM/8 Track... :drool5:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/71cuda023Medium.jpg)
Quote from: WingCharger on February 27, 2009, 06:25:20 PM
Has this thread been linked over on MoParts? :shruggy:
I sent a link to this thread back when it was first started but if you do a search for it it says "we cannot proceed" Which I assume means it was deleted for whatever reasons the "censors" decided.
Here are a couple more... Almost built to BK standards, huh?
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/71cuda016Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/71cuda002Medium.jpg)
:cheers:
That Cuda is sweet :drool5: Glad to see some progress :2thumbs: With no bad news :cheers: :cheers:
Quote from: captnsim on March 04, 2009, 09:25:46 PM
That Cuda is sweet :drool5: Glad to see some progress :2thumbs: With no bad news :cheers: :cheers:
I know, can you believe it? There was actually GOOD news. Can you believe how clean it was when he removed the rusted/patched post?? I figured for sure it'd be a nightmare under there...
Quote from: jb666 on March 04, 2009, 08:19:16 PM
Here are a few, hot off the press, showing the new passenger's door post courtesy of 1HOT68!!!
The old one is history!!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/genrallee031Medium.jpg)
And wow, it's clean under there!!
On and ready to weld!!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/genrallee033Medium.jpg)
Paint stripped and prepped!!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/genrallee032Medium.jpg)
It's great to see that piece in place!!! Im glad I was able to be part of the "cure" ..........Tell those guys from a body shop owners opinion, I think it looks like they are doing an outstanding job on your Charger! :2thumbs:
:cheers: :cheers:
Quote from: jb666 on March 04, 2009, 09:29:21 PM
Quote from: captnsim on March 04, 2009, 09:25:46 PM
That Cuda is sweet :drool5: Glad to see some progress :2thumbs: With no bad news :cheers: :cheers:
I know, can you believe it? There was actually GOOD news. Can you believe how clean it was when he removed the rusted/patched post?? I figured for sure it'd be a nightmare under there...
That's because BK couldn't get at that spot... :yesnod:
jb666, I had to join just to respond to this (finally). I figure the more traffic, the better. I've been watching this for a little less than three weeks, and have forwarded the link a lot through e-mail.
I know Stretch and WS23U1A personally. They're my two best friends. I was watching this after it was linked over on Moparnuts.com and told Stretch to check it out. I e-mailed a link to WS23U1A with the distinct instructions that he'd be better off just perusing the photo posts rather than reading the whole shebang, but I knew he'd get sucked in and read it front-to-back. :icon_smile_big: He's good like that.
They both have beautiful Chargers, by the way, and are two of the best guys you could ever hope to meet. Though I've had 7 Chargers (well, 8 if you count the '86) I haven't owned one since '01... hence the username.
I wanted to relay my utmost respect for you for saying from the get-go you failed and bought a turkey without properly inspecting it, and for sticking by that tom throughout. You've never placed blame on anyone for directing you to this car, or even to the obviously-guilty seller... come on, you can't notice the crooked pushbar and not at least get under the car to see if it can be adjusted, at which pont you'd see some carnage such as the hacked-up K. Brian played dumb, pure and simple. If he's not a BK agent, he knew he got stroked and figured he could recoup $35K in a single payment to make up for $70K spent over time. It is not possible to convince me otherwise.
The second-biggest unfortunate circumstance for you was not knowing Mopars closely; I'm not failing you for that in any way because you simply didn't know, but as someone else noted they are rustbuckets for the most part (trust me, I've owned 70+ over 21 years) and I've learned the hard way. I've crushed, sold, and cut up some cars that would be easily-fixed now and really worth the effort. Plus, with the car coming out of Texas even a rust-belt veteran such as myself would put a measure in faith that they must've started with a fairly-solid car and fixed what was needed.
That being said, even if you had blasted the car (again :lol: --I kill me) right at the get-go, I really think you'd have stuck by the old girl if for no other reason than to show SchuBKert "This is how a car gets done." Maybe I'm wrong, but you seem that kind of guy. For that, you get maddest props from this Moparhead.
Skip's assistance seems incredible... I was raised with the legal system and wouldn't have thought of half the avenues he's employed. Bravo to you, Skip, and woe to those who cross you or your friends. Can we be friends?
Both you and Skip have my highest regards, Jeff. I hope your Charger is everything of which you've dreamed when the project's finally done; it's obvious you've had only the best working on it. Enjoy.
Here's something no one's proposed thus far: Should you ever bore of it (and I don't expect you will), has it ever occurred to you that the famousness of the car from this thread, combined with the obvious quality of the work being done and burying a scam artist in the process, will actually increase the value of your car should you want/need to sell it? I know you just want a nice General, but come on--this has to be one of the best-documented rebuilds ever, and there's no question in my mind that though the accuracy may not be 100%, this will easily be the highest-quality Lee clone extant when it's done. I've seen less enthusiasm and effort put into genuine Hemi cars.
One thing is certain: no matter what becomes of it, this will always be your car. Congratulations on being the man you are. :2thumbs:
Wow it's looking good, Nice work, Jeff is your Charger's Subframe connected ? You know considering what it's been thru it wouldn't be a bad Idea to tighten up that Chassis, Call Auto Rust Technologies and get that performance pac installed on your chassis , your in the shop anyway, might as well weld it up nice and tight.
Ron
Quote from: Discharged on March 04, 2009, 09:41:04 PM
jb666, I had to join just to respond to this (finally). I figure the more traffic, the better. I've been watching this for a little less than three weeks, and have forwarded the link a lot through e-mail.
I know Stretch and WS23U1A personally. They're my two best friends. I was watching this after it was linked over on Moparnuts.com and told Stretch to check it out. I e-mailed a link to WS23U1A with the distinct instructions that he'd be better off just perusing the photo posts rather than reading the whole shebang, but I knew he'd get sucked in and read it front-to-back. :icon_smile_big: He's good like that.
They both have beautiful Chargers, by the way, and are two of the best guys you could ever hope to meet. Though I've had 7 Chargers (well, 8 if you count the '86) I haven't owned one since '01... hence the username.
I wanted to relay my utmost respect for you for saying from the get-go you failed and bought a turkey without properly inspecting it, and for sticking by that tom throughout. You've never placed blame on anyone for directing you to this car, or even to the obviously-guilty seller... come on, you can't notice the crooked pushbar and not at least get under the car to see if it can be adjusted, at which pont you'd see some carnage such as the hacked-up K. Brian played dumb, pure and simple. If he's not a BK agent, he knew he got stroked and figured he could recoup $35K in a single payment to make up for $70K spent over time. It is not possible to convince me otherwise.
The second-biggest unfortunate circumstance for you was not knowing Mopars closely; I'm not failing you for that in any way because you simply didn't know, but as someone else noted they are rustbuckets for the most part (trust me, I've owned 70+ over 21 years) and I've learned the hard way. I've crushed, sold, and cut up some cars that would be easily-fixed now and really worth the effort. Plus, with the car coming out of Texas even a rust-belt veteran such as myself would put a measure in faith that they must've started with a fairly-solid car and fixed what was needed.
That being said, even if you had blasted the car (again :lol: --I kill me) right at the get-go, I really think you'd have stuck by the old girl if for no other reason than to show SchuBKert "This is how a car gets done." Maybe I'm wrong, but you seem that kind of guy. For that, you get maddest props from this Moparhead.
Skip's assistance seems incredible... I was raised with the legal system and wouldn't have thought of half the avenues he's employed. Bravo to you, Skip, and woe to those who cross you or your friends. Can we be friends?
Both you and Skip have my highest regards, Jeff. I hope your Charger is everything of which you've dreamed when the project's finally done; it's obvious you've had only the best working on it. Enjoy.
Here's something no one's proposed thus far: Should you ever bore of it (and I don't expect you will), has it ever occurred to you that the famousness of the car from this thread, combined with the obvious quality of the work being done and burying a scam artist in the process, will actually increase the value of your car should you want/need to sell it? I know you just want a nice General, but come on--this has to be one of the best-documented rebuilds ever, and there's no question in my mind that though the accuracy may not be 100%, this will easily be the highest-quality Lee clone extant when it's done. I've seen less enthusiasm and effort put into genuine Hemi cars.
One thing is certain: no matter what becomes of it, this will always be your car. Congratulations on being the man you are. :2thumbs:
Wow, I almost don't know what to say here (and that doesn't happen often). So I'll start with a huge THANK YOU.
I realized the minute I got the car on my buddy's lift that I may have jumped into the car head first not knowing WTF I was doing.. And that statement right there might be the understatement of a lifetime, but you know what? Knowing this car is going to be done right is making it all worth it to me.
Has it cost me crazy money? You bet it has.. Would I do it again? Who knows, I might just be crazy enough.. Am I physically DOING any of this restoration ? No, I can't take credit for that either (I'll do the interior, that's about it), but this car will be valued as if I built it with my own hands when it's done. I hope to (knock on wood) keep this car for a VERY LONG TIME. At this point I almost HAVE to :lol:
Anyways, thanks for the support. Thanks for spreading the word, and thanks for making it from page 1 to this point.. That alone puts you in a rare class, except for those (already here) that have been along for the ride the entire time!!
Quote from: Big Sugar on March 04, 2009, 09:41:39 PM
Wow it's looking good, Nice work, Jeff is your Charger's Subframe connected ? You know considering what it's been thru it wouldn't be a bad Idea to tighten up that Chassis, Call Auto Rust Technologies and get that performance pac installed on your chassis , your in the shop anyway, might as well weld it up nice and tight.
Ron
Hi Ron -- When the car was a Tube Chassis, the subframe connectors were done. BK'S "sub frame connectors" were removed (didn't take much effort) and the fun began.. That was actually the reason (besides the roll bar) that the car even WENT to Jon's shop...
Here's a shot where you can see the new subframe connectors..
Look under all the dust
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2511Medium.jpg)
You can see them popping through the floor here too.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2437Medium.jpg)
I'll get some nice shots of them this weekend..
cant believe the tranny tunnel is soo bastardized...damn these guys left no metal untouched..
Quote from: autodynamics on March 04, 2009, 10:02:21 PM
cant believe the tranny tunnel is soo bastardized...damn these guys left no metal untouched..
Oh they KILLED the tunnel.
Quote from: jb666 on March 04, 2009, 09:58:36 PMAm I physically DOING any of this restoration ? No, I can't take credit for that either (I'll do the interior, that's about it), but this car will be valued as if I built it with my own hands when it's done. I hope to (knock on simulated woodgrain :smilielol: ) keep this car for a VERY LONG TIME. At this point I almost HAVE to :lol:
There's an old insult to teachers that says, "Those who can, do. Those who can't, teach."
In this case, it's a compliment really. Though you may have not been able to accomplish the level of work evident in your General Lee (maybe you could have--if you can weld like that, I have a unibody I want you to finish), you have most-certainly taught a very-solid lesson to anyone that's read this post even a few pages through. Though you won't profit from it one cent, it seems to me the heartbreaks you've saved will do more for you than money ever would. Most honorable.
I'm staying tuned to the end, Jeff... not just for the Charger's glorious return to the road, but the ruination of BK Auto (or whatever name they're using this week) and Thomas Schubert as well.
A little hunch: BK stands for "Brian Knows." Don't let him off too easy on this deal.
Thank's Discharged and welcome to the site. :cheers:
:cheers:
Quote from: skip68 on March 04, 2009, 10:22:44 PM
Thank's Discharged and welcome to the site. :cheers: Only a few people know what I've done and got going for my friend Thomas Schubert and BK. :scratchchin: I'm guessing you've talked to someone that has inside info or are you one of my new friends from one of the agencies in Texas ?
I'm not from one of the TX agencies, nor am I holding any inside information. I'm just quite good at realizing what's up from your posts that might be cryptic to others. As I mentioned, I was raised in the legal system--Dad was (at various times) a State Representative, an attorney, and up until his retirement, a judge. Mom was a depositionist. My brother was a cop and my older sister was a legal assistant until she went to work for the State of MI; my other sister was a paralegal until she switched careers. My Dad's brother was attorney, State Court Administrator, associate then head dean for the National Judicial College in Reno NV and to this day travels the world teaching and giving speeches on the American legal system. Bring cousins and other extended family into it, and I have more law enforcement in my family than most people
know.
Taking all that into account and adding the fact that I am one hell of a devious revenge artist, I've read some of your posts and thought, "Damn... that is
great! I wouldn't have thought of that!"
Admittedly, my recourses for revenge really haven't been the type for which I could have engaged the legal system. However, I will say that other than one particular event (OK, two) I've not run afoul of the law in my methods at aggravating the hell out of my subjects... and even in the sublegal events, I was never caught. :angel:
If the legal system lets you down, you can still make someone's life a living hell. I've done it. :icon_smile_wink:
I know my way around the law, despite many run-ins with it. Were I a sheep, I'd disappear at night.
Quote from: jb666 on March 04, 2009, 08:22:18 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/71cuda023Medium.jpg)
Dang, I'm moist! :P
Jeff, did you take this shot and if so can you send me a high-res image of it? This would make a rather nice painting.
I really like the blue, I think you should go that color. :icon_smile_big:
Quote from: C_stripes on March 05, 2009, 12:26:35 AM
I really like the blue, I think you should go that color. :icon_smile_big:
Hahahahahahaa...... Funny guy....
Wait, wasn't the original Gen.Lee blue??
iirc, it was black
I was serious. Blue looks SOOOOOOOO nice.
For real though. Congrats on the car. It looks awesome. BK should rust in jail.
Quote from: Steve P. on March 05, 2009, 12:29:17 AM
Quote from: C_stripes on March 05, 2009, 12:26:35 AM
I really like the blue, I think you should go that color. :icon_smile_big:
Hahahahahahaa...... Funny guy....
Wait, wasn't the original Gen.Lee blue??
That depends how you look at it. In 7th season in the 1st epsidoe "Happy Birthday General Lee" he was found black. Yet in the 1st season 1st episode "One Arm-Bandits" Lee 1 was a bronze color from the factory. :shruggy:
:cheers:
Hi,
Thought I would drop in and say how much I have thoroughly enjoyed this thread. Spent an enjoyable afternoon last week reading all pages. Best of luck with the continued resurrection of the Charger and looking forward to the finished product - she is going to be sex on wheels.
I don't have a Charger, but I do have a very nice '72 Plymouth Satellite Sebring Plus 400 4-BBL (so still a Mopar).
Another burning question is for autodynamics - whose amazing *ss is that in your avatar? ;D
:cheers:
Ian B.
You should see the entire set of those pics. :D
I spoke with Jeff (jb666) last evening on the phone and I have to tell you all what a stand up guy this Jeff is .
No Finger pointing, no Blaming, No freaking out. He simply puts his emotions aside and moves forward , I think the most of us would have either given up or simply had a nervous breakdown. He definitely has it together. :2thumbs:
He also reminded me what a great group of guys we have here at DC com and he acknowledges that this wouldn't be possible without all the help from the forum.
This General Lee is without a doubt the story of the year here on the forum and Jeff is sort of a poster boy representing the power of our Community
So I toast Jeff for his unfailing determination and Complete class throughout his first Mopar experience :2thumbs:
And I toast all the members on the Forum who have stepped up to help a Stranger with a Bad Mopar. :2thumbs:
My hat is off to you all
Cheers :cheers:
I certainly hope all the Mopar Rags give Jeff his Due when this is all said and done.
In the meantime Shouldn't we give the reborn General Lee a nickname ?? as a salute.
General Lee 2nd Tour ?
Sargent Lee ?
Admiral Lee ?
Reluctant Lee ?
Honourable Lee ?
Hemi Lee ?
Just a thought, Any Ideas ?
Ron
I wanted to use
Bastard Lee ?
But thats where it was when BK built it :rofl:
Ron
Thank you, Ron!!!! It was great talking to you last night as well. You have some great ideas/suggestions that I immediately passed along!!
As for naming the car, I'm all for it. I think it's something that could stick with the car, and when I make my show posters up for this coming year I'd put the name at the very top...
So let's do it!! Let's come up with a name.. Something that would represent this entire ordeal but at the same time would be SHORT & SWEET.
:popcrn:
YES ! YES ! YES ! That car MUST get a name. :scratchchin: Something GENERAL LEE.
When it's finished it could be Final Lee or Triumphant Lee.
Quote from: Ghoste on March 05, 2009, 10:05:51 AM
When it's finished it could be Final Lee or Triumphant Lee.
We should put someone in charge of keeping track of the suggested names and updating them on a master list.
Maybe the naming of the car should be done in it's own thread?
Quote from: Ghoste on March 05, 2009, 10:05:51 AM
When it's finished it could be Final Lee or Triumphant Lee.
That's a good one Shaun
I like
FINAL LEEit used to be
HAPHAZZARD LEETry These,
ASTOUNDING LEE CORRECT LEEand one from Jeff
THANKFUL LEE
I think it's ironic that Thomas named this car GENERAL LEE'S REVENGE don't you Jeff ? :smilielol: This shows you to be careful when naming a car. You really do need a name to stand out because I have a feeling your car will become famous and get lots of attention.
Quote from: skip68 on March 05, 2009, 10:26:01 AM
I think it's ironic that Thomas named this car GENERAL LEE'S REVENGE don't you Jeff ? :smilielol: This shows you to be careful when naming a car. You really do need a name to stand out because I have a feeling your car will become famous and get lots of attention.
Well, we need to get people on board for this part of the project.... I think it's a GREAT idea.
Quote from: jb666 on March 05, 2009, 10:07:18 AM
Quote from: Ghoste on March 05, 2009, 10:05:51 AM
When it's finished it could be Final Lee or Triumphant Lee.
We should put someone in charge of keeping track of the suggested names and updating them on a master list.
Maybe the naming of the car should be done in it's own thread?
Cody is good at compiling list, therefore i nominate Bronzey.
How about "VENGEANCE" ?
VENGEANCE LEE
REVENGEFUL LEE
UNFORGIVING LEE
GENERAL LEE ....MY ASS
TRAMATIC LEE
THE GENERAL LEE
EFFORTLESS LEE
GENERAL JEFF LEE
APPRECIATIVE LEE
TIRELESS LEE
I like Vengeance Lee, personally..... But does it properly represent this saga? Hmmm...
Without question--
Lee Misérables. :pity: :o :flame: :brickwall: :RantExplode: :eek2:
Oh yes Vengeance does fit the bill. BK named it Revenge and look what you got. So I think "VENGEANCE" will say it all. Very bold, aggressive, strong and has a hook to it. :yesnod:
:cheers:
Oops, Sorry Thomas . :rotz: I made another call to Texas today to a new agency. They seemed to be very interested in you. :naughty: Jeff, I'll send you an email or talk to you in private. Chuck.........
Excellent!! Bring it on!!
I had to modify. ;) I sent you an email Jeff. :cheers:
Quote from: skip68 on March 05, 2009, 01:28:46 PM
Oops, Sorry Thomas Schubert. :rotz: I made another call to Texas today to a new agency. They seemed to be very interested in you. :naughty: Jeff, I'll send you an email or talk to you in private. Chuck.........
When can you tell us whats going on? I feel like its 10:30pm on prom night and my date hasnt shown up yet. :popcrn:
"The General Lees Redemption"
"The General Lees Retaliation"
"The General Lees Reprisal"
:2thumbs:
How about:
Bankrupt Lee
Dead Lee
DeadLee > Could work for license plate.
Patient Lee
Apparent Lee
Max Effort Lee
UnGod Lee
Corrupt Lee
Arrisen Lee
Permanent Lee
Domanent Lee
Cost Lee
Incredible Lee
Ho Lee
Reborn Lee
Massive Lee
Propper Lee Repaired
Unusual Lee
Candid Lee
Grateful Lee > For all that helped along the restoration.
Masterful Lee > See above
Believing Lee
Zombie Lee
True Lee
Thankful Lee
Topic Lee
Resurrected Lee
STAY AWAY FROM BK LEE
Classic Lee
Informational Lee
Lawful Lee
And who can resist: Dear Lee Beloved
Criminal Lee
I think it should be named "BK auto is a bunch of scumbags who will steal your money and give you a pile of shit in return"
You might have to have get a bigger car to fit that.
"DTH2BK" :smilielol:
Quote from: 69bronzeT5 on March 05, 2009, 02:28:12 PM
"DTH2BK" :smilielol:
That would make a GREAT license plate. :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol:
DAMB ! Lots of good ideas there. I've got another one, "VENGEANCE" :angel: GENERAL LEE "VENGEANCE" :icon_smile_big: see how it just flows.
(http://www.acme.com/licensemaker/licenses/license_20090305114108_96549.jpg)
Quote from: dstryr on March 05, 2009, 02:42:18 PM
(http://www.acme.com/licensemaker/licenses/license_20090305114108_96549.jpg)
I like it!!!
(http://www.acme.com/licensemaker/licenses/license_20090305114108_96549.jpg)
Are you getting a red x now? :scratchchin:
Here it is from a photobucket link...
(http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee284/raivgto/license_20090305114108_96549.jpg)
This plate might make people think you took your ex to the cleaners. Only those 'in-the-know' will really know what it means.
(http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee284/raivgto/license_20090305115435_57376.jpg)
Quote from: dstryr on March 05, 2009, 02:53:22 PM
Are you getting a red x now? :scratchchin:
Here it is from a photobucket link...
(http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee284/raivgto/license_20090305114108_96549.jpg)
:2thumbs: That's cool!
Quote from: dstryr on March 05, 2009, 02:57:39 PM
This plate might make people think you took your ex to the cleaners. Only those 'in-the-know' will really know what it means.
(http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee284/raivgto/license_20090305115435_57376.jpg)
Okay this might be stupid to asl, but what does the frist few letters stand for? :shruggy:
sweet :D
How about "01 General Lee That Bit Back"?
(01GLTBB)
:cheers:
Quote from: jb666 on March 05, 2009, 04:37:09 PM
Quote from: MoparManJim on March 05, 2009, 04:34:56 PM
How about "01 General Lee That Bit BK Back"?
(01GLBBKB)
:lol:
While these are all funny ideas, I'm not so much looking for a vanity plate idea (right now). I've got my GNR LEE vanity plate on the car now and it's paid ahead for a year.. So if the car is named 1st I figure I have a few months to get the car's "name" on a plate, which I would do.
I DONT, however, want to have anything to do with BK AUTO in the car's name. I think it'd be a jinx... And while I'm not a superstitious person, I think the name BK carries some REALLY bad karma.
I change my post.
:smilielol: :rofl: BK = Bad Karma . :rofl:
Well, I got a great call tonight from the shop...
The passenger's door post is done and welded 100%. BOTH doors are 100% repaired and hung. The trunk lid is 100% and installed. The roof is skimmed and perfect.
I'll have some great pictures come Saturday, I guess the car's really starting to look CLEAN AND STRAIGHT again (We laughed about the AGAIN, by that I mean like it did back in '69 NOT when BK was done with it).
:cheers: :cheers:
It's great that more than one guy is kicking ass on this car at once!!
:whistling: "VENGEANCE" :leaving:
:cheers:
There is only one name that fits Jeff. You know what that is. :icon_smile_big: I can't wait to see the new pictures.
Quote from: skip68 on March 05, 2009, 06:57:20 PM
There is only one name that fits Jeff. You know what that is. :icon_smile_big: I can't wait to see the new pictures.
I know it.. You like Vengeance.. I actually like the sounds of Vengeance Lee. Has a nice ring to it :icon_smile_big:
But there are so many others I never would have thought of (above). I'd LOVE to see one of these names on the front of a magazine :popcrn:
"The General Lee. A car barely alive. Gentlemen, we can rebuild him. We have the technology. We have the capability to re-build the worlds most butchered mopar. The General Lee will be that car. Better than it was before. Better, stronger, faster, and bondo-free"
Vengeful Lee
:cheers:
Epic Lee
The progress sounds great. Can't wait for new pics.
As for a name:
Re-Restored Lee :smilielol:
General Lee Rising (as in rising from the ashes)
General Lee Phoenix (see above)
General Lee's Resurrection
These are all the names I can think of now.
Another thing is are you going to have something about Jon and his crew and their tremendous work? (besides the awesome car)
How about "Lee's Last Stand"?
Sounds like a magazine cover tag too... :yesnod:
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/511P1MVVGAL._SL500_AA240_.jpg)
How about "Tenacious Lee" Because that is certainly what was required to get this car done.
Quote from: 69DodgeCharger on March 05, 2009, 08:25:57 PM
How about "Tenacious Lee" Because that is certainly what was required to get this car done.
I really like that one!
:2thumbs:
:cheers:
:cheers:
Quote from: jb666 on March 05, 2009, 08:47:23 PM
Quote from: 69DodgeCharger on March 05, 2009, 08:25:57 PM
How about "Tenacious Lee" Because that is certainly what was required to get this car done.
Yeah that is very creative!
I think I just injured my shoulder patting myself on the back!
General Lee Avenged
Bewreke
I don't remeber if it has been said yet but how about
Deserving Lee
Delicious Lee
I am also thinking that you need a bumper sticker that says:
"My children don't know I spent their inheritance on this"
:cheers:
My kids don't mind. They are too busy fighting over who gets what car when we die. :smilielol:
Everything dealing with this car has been done with a "VENGEANCE" . ok ok, I WON'T SAY IT AGAIN. I really mean that I will NOT say "VENGEANCE" again. If you hear "VENGEANCE" again it won't be from me. :icon_smile_big:
:cheers:
Quote from: skip68 on March 05, 2009, 09:38:06 PM
Everything dealing with this car has been done with a "VENGEANCE" . ok ok, I WON'T SAY IT AGAIN. I really mean that I will NOT say "VENGEANCE" again. If you hear "VENGEANCE" again it won't be from me. :icon_smile_big:
Did anybody hear that? I thought I heard somebody say something? Must just be the wind. :nana:
:rofl: SEE, it's catchy. :smilielol:
Quote from: General_01 on March 05, 2009, 09:40:32 PM
Quote from: skip68 on March 05, 2009, 09:38:06 PM
Everything dealing with this car has been done with a "VENGEANCE" . ok ok, I WON'T SAY IT AGAIN. I really mean that I will NOT say "VENGEANCE" again. If you hear "VENGEANCE" again it won't be from me. :icon_smile_big:
Did anybody hear that? I thought I heard somebody say something? Must just be the wind. :nana:
I heard it too. :icon_smile_big:
Parole Lee ;)
Quote from: Steve P. on March 05, 2009, 10:11:10 PM
Parole Lee ;)
Steve, we are trying to name Jeff's car, not Thomas'. :smilielol:
Quote from: skip68 on March 05, 2009, 09:46:12 PM
Quote from: General_01 on March 05, 2009, 09:40:32 PM
Quote from: skip68 on March 05, 2009, 09:38:06 PM
Everything dealing with this car has been done with a "VENGEANCE" . ok ok, I WON'T SAY IT AGAIN. I really mean that I will NOT say "VENGEANCE" again. If you hear "VENGEANCE" again it won't be from me. :icon_smile_big:
Did anybody hear that? I thought I heard somebody say something? Must just be the wind. :nana:
I heard it too. :icon_smile_big:
And I heard somthing over here as while :D :icon_smile_big:
SATINS LEE
Quote from: jb666 on March 05, 2009, 04:37:09 PM
Quote from: MoparManJim on March 05, 2009, 04:34:56 PM
How about "01 General Lee That Bit BK Back"?
(01GLBBKB)
:lol:
I DONT, however, want to have anything to do with BK AUTO in the car's name. I think it'd be a jinx... And while I'm not a superstitious person, I think the name BK carries some REALLY bad karma.
Normally agree but BKLee's Revenge has a real ring to it.And his name needs to be associated with the car so there;s no doubt who people need to stay away from. :RantExplode:
Just a thought your car of course.I mean it's not like it's a 70. :nana:
Hi,
Just signed up to say I'm really looking forward to seeing the photos of your General when it's finally finished (although probably not as much as you :) ). I've been reading this thread since the beginning and, like everyone else, have been gob-smacked at the work (or lack there of) from BK. A big congrats to everyone who has worked on the car, the quality of your work is clearly evident in the pics and is being admired by people around the world.
Also, if I could make a name suggestion (inspired from MoparManJims suggestion):
"The General Lee Strikes BK" :icon_smile_wink:
--Matt
Welcome to the site Matt. :cheers: You are right, this car is becoming famous around the world. Thomas Schubert is becoming Infamous around the world too. :2thumbs: Chuck......
Quote from: skip68 on March 06, 2009, 09:46:00 AM
Welcome to the site Matt. :cheers: You are right, this car is becoming famous around the world. Thomas Schubert is becoming Infamous around the world too. :2thumbs: Chuck......
AND THAT, my friends, is what this is all about... Not $$.
:cheers:
That's great !
Chuck:
Are you feeling OK? I mean you used fewer than 12 smilies in your last post.
Feel better soon, amigo.
Neal :icon_smile_tongue:
:scope: Any Pics Of that Chrysler?.. :shruggy:
Quote from: Neal_J on March 06, 2009, 01:34:37 PM
Chuck:
Are you feeling OK? I mean you used fewer than 12 smilies in your last post.
Feel better soon, amigo.
Neal :icon_smile_tongue:
I'm trying to cut down on them. I guess I'm not thinking today. :icon_smile_big:
Black Knights Bane
thorn in BKs side :yesnod:
bit long though :scratchchin:
Remember that word that starts with a V. That's the name baby. Jeff, I just got a email from C.C. :2thumbs: I'll send you a email. :2thumbs:
How about resurrected?
:cheers:
I DID NOT SAY THE "V" WORD HERE TODAY ! :icon_smile_big: To me, it just has so much power, passion, the need for justice and the will and drive to pursue it. :icon_smile_big: There are some very good names here and you have your work cut out for you on picking one. I know you'll pick the right one Jeff. :whistling:
I say we do it American Idol style... Narrow it down to a select few.
BTW, car related, my (new) tail light panel arrived today!! That's THE LAST thing to be welded to my car, can you believe that? All other meal work is DONE!!
I'm heading there tomorrow morning.. prepare for some pictures!!!
Quote from: jb666 on March 06, 2009, 06:07:16 PM
I say we do it American Idol style... Narrow it down to a select few.
BTW, car related, my (new) tail light panel arrived today!! That's THE LAST thing to be welded to my car, can you believe that? All other meal work is DONE!!
I'm heading there tomorrow morning.. prepare for some pictures!!!
I will be looking forward to them!!
Wow! What a saga this was. I'm sorry to hear you got so burned, JB. I feel for you man. I've been there, and it stings (for a while). I went the lawsuite route, and actually won, but it was only for satisfaction in the end, as the guy I got burned by fell off the radar and I collected nothing (he, however, has it on his creadit record, and it will hamper him for a while). Anyhow, I'm glad to see you stuck with it this long, and have taken the stand against BK. Of course, a big thank you to you for bringing it all to light for the rest of us to learn from. :cheers: Very nice progress on the car, considering what you had to start with. I wouldn't have even thought it was possible to save the car, so cudos to your current body shop. Hey, take in on tour, with a DVD palying of the work done, and get a kickback from them for advertising! :P
One thing that has puzzled me from what I have read. I managed to read the first 41 pages, then jumped to page 108 or so. Did Brian (the guy you bought it from), ever come forward with more info, or offer to help in a lawsuite? If not, I found that a little odd. I don't know how well any of you on here know him, and forgive me if this is way off base, but my first thought was he was given some hush money by BK to be less than cooperative. Otherwise, why wouldn't he want to help?? He would have nothing to lose it would seem, but everything to gain. Just seems very odd to me. Of course, I may have missed some other key details about this between pages 42 and 107!
Can't wait to see the finished product, and I hope BK gets what they deserve in the end.
-Russ
:cheers:
:cheers:
Quote from: jb666 on March 06, 2009, 06:21:25 PM
Quote from: 1hot68 on March 06, 2009, 06:19:21 PM
Quote from: jb666 on March 06, 2009, 06:07:16 PM
I say we do it American Idol style... Narrow it down to a select few.
BTW, car related, my (new) tail light panel arrived today!! That's THE LAST thing to be welded to my car, can you believe that? All other meal work is DONE!!
I'm heading there tomorrow morning.. prepare for some pictures!!!
I will be looking forward to them!!
It's funny, because the shop's mentioned a few times "This post was so nice, what did the rest of the car look like!!". Very clean part you sent me!!
I can't wait to see it either.. I'm glad this shop's not 3 minutes from my house/work because I'd be there twice a day!!
The car that part came from was a VERY clean 70 Coronet 4 door, Its been an organ doner for many cars.....The hood is now on a S-bird clone, the fenders and front bumper etc.and deck lid are on a 70 Bee, the main floor pan is in a 70 Charger R/T The complete Drive train (slant 6) is in Pocket thunders 69 500, among other small parts on others ,and now your Charger got its rt door post! :2thumbs:
So I say hats off to it!!
:cheers: Right on 1hot. You rock brother.
Quote from: 1hot68 on March 06, 2009, 06:19:21 PM
Quote from: jb666 on March 06, 2009, 06:07:16 PM
I say we do it American Idol style... Narrow it down to a select few.
BTW, car related, my (new) tail light panel arrived today!! That's THE LAST thing to be welded to my car, can you believe that? All other meal work is DONE!!
I'm heading there tomorrow morning.. prepare for some pictures!!!
I will be looking forward to them!!
OK, How about Clint Eastwood style? THE UNFORGIVEN!
:cheers:
;) ;)
(http://mopartruckparts.com/gallery/g-images/g094-1.jpg)
:cheers:
Quote from: jb666 on March 06, 2009, 09:01:03 PM
Quote from: WingCharger on March 06, 2009, 09:00:35 PM
;) ;)
(http://mopartruckparts.com/gallery/g-images/g094-1.jpg)
That'll be my tow vehicle. I wonder if BK built it?
Read the whole story here: http://mopartruckparts.com/gallery/g094.html
It is too high quality for Bk to have built. :D :D It has a cargo light...would that have burnt the load of hay in the back? :nana:
It was painted with...RUST-OLEUM!! :o
Quote
And I told ya the guys were magicians that are working on my car!! Check it out today!!
(http://img.auctiva.com/imgdata/7/0/6/1/1/7/webimg/237393415_o.jpg)
My gosh! These guys built you a
Transformer®! WOW! :o
I'm on my way to the shop now,cameras beside me. Stay tuned.
Get some! :cheers:
Ok, I'm back, and all I can say is WOW. I COULD NOT BE HAPPIER with the progress.
I'm resizing & uploading some pictures... :popcrn:
:woohoo: GOOD NEWS, GOOD NEWS ! That's a change.
It's better than good, it's AWESOME!!!! These guys are amazing. I know I've said it before, but I just can't believe what a group can get done in one work-week.. Hang on.. Still resizing.. I took a ton of shots.
:scratchchin: It sounds like they tackled this car with a "VENGEANCE" huh? :smilielol: Sorry guys. :rofl: I'll shut up now.
:cheers:
Ok, I took this and had to make sure I left the name/# out of the picture, but here's their flat bed ramp truck. I thought it was pretty cool
IMAGE REMOVED. I forgot to remove the license plate.
All right.. First I want to say how shocked I was to walk in and see the new nose on the car. Some adjustments and fine tuning was necessary, but over all they said these (AMD) panels fit very nicely!! Hell, even OEM panels don't fit perfectly (when they were available), so they didn't expect direct "bolt on" parts. They will, of course, have to be skim coated (like everything else) to be made perfect before paint, and then obviously removed so everything can be jammed.. But here's how The General sat when I walked in the door :o
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2545Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2547Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2546Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2548Medium.jpg)
They are fixing/replacing some of the front radiator support. BK BUTCHERED this thing when they were doing the car...
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2544Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2543Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2541Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2540Medium.jpg)
The lines are nice and the quality of the metal is excellent!! I was surprised to see that the hood came pre-cut for directionals. I wasn't going to do them, but now I am, so add those to my "need" list..
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2565Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2566Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2567Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2568Medium.jpg)
TO BE CONTINUED..........
Please enjoy this commercial interruption...
This car is a bone stock original Hurst Olds. VERY clean car. The guys finished/painted this car TEN YEARS AGO. It's been in storage since.. Under the hood and inside are just as clean!!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2536Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2537Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2538Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2539Medium.jpg)
It's awaiting a few final details (pin stripes, trim, etc..) and then the interior will go in. Hopefully I get to see it around this summer.
Back to our regularly scheduled program.....
:sorry:
The new rear panel arrived, and is in place ready to be welded in..
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2526Medium.jpg)
Another GREAT quality pc from AMD... 75% of the outside of this car is now AMD metal!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2527Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2525Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2528Medium.jpg)
The new post in, with the door hung.. It's obviously coming back off, but I wanted to get a shot before it was finished:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2530Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2531Medium.jpg)
Here's what came out:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2534Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2535Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2533Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2532Medium.jpg)
I'm VERY pleased with how both doors turned out. If you'll remember, the outer lips were still 100% there, but there were holes rotted through the front and back of the doors in each corner. That's been cut out and repaired...
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2571Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2572Medium.jpg)
This is the BEFORE shot, for those that didn't see:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2457Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/genrallee017Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2456Medium.jpg)
This shot I love. The surrounding area(s) were cut out and replaced with new metal...
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2562Medium.jpg)
Before:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2440Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2441Medium.jpg)
TO BE CONTINUED..........
And here are some shots of the car skim coated.. Soon it'll be blocked and smooth as glass.
Jon had done the dog legs..
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_5759Medium.jpg)
But now...
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2549Medium.jpg)
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These are great --- The trunk lid/edge of the rear quarter was so caked with mud (and bad patchwork) before that the lid hit on both sides. They had to alter this a bit to get the lines even. Still a long way to go but looking great!!
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Remember this mess from 2 weeks ago when the car came back from the blaster??
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And these... Remember this mess??
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Well, all new metal:
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And I'm sure you remember the rear window area from Hell...
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Between Jon's work and the body shop it's now presentable!
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I THINK that's it!! I'm still looking through my folder though.
One great thing that I couldn't capture in a picture are the doors. They open and close perfectly now. Both doors had their hinges rebuilt and they latch with ease. These require NO effort to close now. Sure, there's no weatherstripping, etc.. but even before, in this condition, it took some effort.
One thing I forgot... The decklid.. While it's fairly clean, it's quite obvious that this has had about 1,000 things dropped on it over the years. Hopefully one of these shots captures the amount of low spots/dents in this panel. It'll be the last time I see it this way, but it was funny (in person)
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Progress!! :notworthy: :icon_smile_approve:
What's funny, is if I look back on these shots now it seems like a million years ago.. I'm not so sure if I knew then what I know now that I would have gone through it all :lol:
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And again, mad props to these guys for building one Hell of a car!!
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WOW ! Looks great Jeff. :drool5: I wish my car would be that nice. :rotz: Can you have your guy's restore my car ? P.S. I'll need some help with the bill Jeff. :icon_smile_big: I'll just put it on your tab. :2thumbs: Now we are getting the "back to original body condition" that this car should be.
:o dang them guys work fast :yesnod: :scope: they know what they are doing that's for sure :coolgleamA: you have only got to look at the way the bondo has rubbed down & fearthered out :yesnod: ..... looks awesome I'm pleased for you ...Jeff as what you have suffered with these idiots from BK ...all systems go now :yesnod: doubt there is any more crappy BK work to be found !
Quote from: tan top on March 07, 2009, 04:16:51 PM
:o dang them guys work fast :yesnod: :scope: they know what they are doing that's for sure :coolgleamA: you have only got to look at the way the bondo has rubbed down & fearthered out :yesnod: ..... looks awesome I'm pleased for you ...Jeff as what you have suffered with these idiots from BK ...all systems go now :yesnod: doubt there is any more crappy BK work to be found !
Thank you!! You have no idea how good it feels.
I crack up when I hear someone say "My car has NO Bondo on it anywhere!". Anyone who knows anything knows that's BS. Every panel (new or old) has to be feathered out so it's perfectly smooth.
The greatest are those shows on TV where they "build" a car in 30 minutes. It goes from bare metal to primer to paint in 3 minutes flat, never showing the work that goes into the car in between stages.. The countless hours of feathering/blocking/sanding..
I take pride in knowing the INCHES of Bondo on my car are history never to return!!!!!! :lol:
Quote from: 1hot68 on March 07, 2009, 03:11:44 PM
Progress!! :notworthy: :icon_smile_approve:
Yeah!!!! He I have a request.. PM sent.
Quote from: jb666 on March 07, 2009, 04:19:51 PM
Quote from: tan top on March 07, 2009, 04:16:51 PM
:o dang them guys work fast :yesnod: :scope: they know what they are doing that's for sure :coolgleamA: you have only got to look at the way the bondo has rubbed down & fearthered out :yesnod: ..... looks awesome I'm pleased for you ...Jeff as what you have suffered with these idiots from BK ...all systems go now :yesnod: doubt there is any more crappy BK work to be found !
Thank you!! You have no idea how good it feels.
I crack up when I hear someone say "My car has NO Bondo on it anywhere!". Anyone who knows anything knows that's BS. Every panel (new or old) has to be feathered out so it's perfectly smooth.
The greatest are those shows on TV where they "build" a car in 30 minutes. It goes from bare metal to primer to paint in 3 minutes flat, never showing the work that goes into the car in between stages.. The countless hours of feathering/blocking/sanding..
I take pride in knowing the INCHES of Bondo on my car are history never to return!!!!!! :lol:
Quote from: 1hot68 on March 07, 2009, 03:11:44 PM
Progress!! :notworthy: :icon_smile_approve:
Yeah!!!! He I have a request.. PM sent.
I'd be surprised if those TV shows go to that much trouble. TV hides a lot of flaws, the same way photos can. There's only so much that can be done in a week, even with a team of "experts" going full bore the whole time.
JB666, the guys you found to bring this Lee back from the brink are first rate craftsmen. Not only are they VERY good, they are quick. A rare thing in this hobby. That they also care so much about the work they do speaks volumes about how they treat their customers.
Quote from: KS71owner on March 07, 2009, 04:28:04 PM
Quote from: jb666 on March 07, 2009, 04:19:51 PM
Quote from: tan top on March 07, 2009, 04:16:51 PM
:o dang them guys work fast :yesnod: :scope: they know what they are doing that's for sure :coolgleamA: you have only got to look at the way the bondo has rubbed down & fearthered out :yesnod: ..... looks awesome I'm pleased for you ...Jeff as what you have suffered with these idiots from BK ...all systems go now :yesnod: doubt there is any more crappy BK work to be found !
Thank you!! You have no idea how good it feels.
I crack up when I hear someone say "My car has NO Bondo on it anywhere!". Anyone who knows anything knows that's BS. Every panel (new or old) has to be feathered out so it's perfectly smooth.
The greatest are those shows on TV where they "build" a car in 30 minutes. It goes from bare metal to primer to paint in 3 minutes flat, never showing the work that goes into the car in between stages.. The countless hours of feathering/blocking/sanding..
I take pride in knowing the INCHES of Bondo on my car are history never to return!!!!!! :lol:
Quote from: 1hot68 on March 07, 2009, 03:11:44 PM
Progress!! :notworthy: :icon_smile_approve:
Yeah!!!! He I have a request.. PM sent.
I'd be surprised if those TV shows go to that much trouble. TV hides a lot of flaws, the same way photos can. There's only so much that can be done in a week, even with a team of "experts" going full bore the whole time.
Do you mean the TV cars, or mine?
Sorry, I meant the TV cars of course. They treatment yours is getting is obviously first-rate.
Quote from: KS71owner on March 07, 2009, 04:31:13 PM
Sorry, I meant the TV cars of course. They treatment yours is getting is obviously first-rate.
I've always felt that way about "TV restorations". Much like BK Auto's "restoration pages" they show you what they want you to see and hide the rest.
:cheers:
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I crack up when I hear someone say "My car has NO Bondo on it anywhere!".
Quote from: jb666 on March 07, 2009, 04:32:18 PM
Quote from: KS71owner on March 07, 2009, 04:31:13 PM
Sorry, I meant the TV cars of course. They treatment yours is getting is obviously first-rate.
I've always felt that way about "TV restorations". Much like BK Auto's "restoration pages" they show you what they want you to see and hide the rest.
:cheers:
Yeah, I know what you mean. Your car is a great example of how much can be done well in a relatively short period of time. Bringing a complete wreck in and turning it into a showpiece in 5 days is simply not possible to do with this kind of quality IMO.
Boy oh boy. What a major CF.
I only had the patience to read through the first 15 pages and then I skimmed through from that up to 22 before my eyes started going buggy.
One quick observation I have aimed at BK; why didn't you just say no? Instead of doing $20k worth of crappy, half-assed patchwork and scooting it out the door why didn't you just tell Brian you couldn't do what he was asking you to do for the money he was willing to pay? The word "no" can get you out of so many potential quagmires it's not even funny.
Another thing; I'll keep looking later but if someone knows the answer to this can you just drop me a quick answer to this question. Did Sickdawg ever chime in this thread?
No Bull. He has not said a word on here. :rotz:
Hey I don't know what happened but half of my post was not added, it was supposed to be a joke, but I guess the joke was on me
Quote from: bull on March 07, 2009, 05:07:55 PM
Another thing; I'll keep looking later but if someone knows the answer to this can you just drop me a quick answer to this question. Did Sickdawg ever chime in this thread?
No.
I still like "B"an"K"rupt Lee :shruggy:
:cheers:
I've been following this thread since it started. Im commenting for the first time. I think its incredible you are restoring that car after you were ripped off. I thank you for taking the time to take pictures and post them and update us on the progress. I was also the victim of a general lee scam I bought off ebay from a guy in Troutman NC. It was a junkyard heap that had 150 lb sof fiberglass and bondo. I found out the roof was bondo under flag because 10 lb chunk of bondo fell out of headliner and hit me in head when I drove it home from transport station. It was advertised as perfectly running and driving car. It actually had ONE lugnut holding the wheels on. He also stole parts off it after he took pictures for ebay. I needed a new carb and remote gas tank to drive it home. It had 1/2 turn play in steering wheel and basically no brakes. It turned out to have 1" of bondo on both sides of the car. The quarters, roof, decklid, fenders, hood, doors, dutchman panel , and rear valence were basically created by 25% rust 25% steel and 50% bondo/fiberglass. It had about 5 gallons of bondo. No part of the car was salvageable. He put a piece of steel over the rust hole called a floor and bolted the seat to that and covered the rusted out floors with road tar then a new carpet.
It was 2006 when I bought it for 14,000. I was 20 years old. I spend ALL my money and borrowed some.. I also was just finishing chemo because I have cancer in thyroid that spread to liver, and back. I was in hospital for almost 2 years before I bought car. So for 3 years I have now spent another $10,000 and slowly fixing the hacked up general lee from hell. It has caused me more stress than my cancer and back pain. I still need to have it painted and another $6k in parts to complete car. I dont know if I can ever get the car done. Im doing the metal work myself with my fathers help. The guy who sold me the car is a scum bag to take advantage of someone like that. This guy must feel like a real man because he took away my dream of having a general lee. I wanted to sue him but I have so many medical problems at the time I could not deal with suing someone. I tons of pictures to show the rusted out bondo bucket painted orange with decals. If I get time I will post them.
Quote from: 70-500-SE-EXPORT on March 07, 2009, 06:28:29 PM
I've been following this thread since it started. Im commenting for the first time. I think its incredible you are restoring that car after you were ripped off. I thank you for taking the time to take pictures and post them and update us on the progress. I was also the victim of a general lee scam I bought off ebay from a guy in Troutman NC. It was a junkyard heap that had 150 lb sof fiberglass and bondo. I found out the roof was bondo under flag because 10 lb chunk of bondo fell out of headliner and hit me in head when I drove it home from transport station. It was advertised as perfectly running and driving car. It actually had ONE lugnut holding the wheels on. He also stole parts off it after he took pictures for ebay. I needed a new carb and remote gas tank to drive it home. It had 1/2 turn play in steering wheel and basically no brakes. It turned out to have 1" of bondo on both sides of the car. The quarters, roof, decklid, fenders, hood, doors, dutchman panel , and rear valence were basically created by 25% rust 25% steel and 50% bondo/fiberglass. It had about 5 gallons of bondo. No part of the car was salvageable. He put a piece of steel over the rust hole called a floor and bolted the seat to that and covered the rusted out floors with road tar then a new carpet.
It was 2006 when I bought it for 14,000. I was 20 years old. I spend ALL my money and borrowed some.. I also was just finishing chemo because I have cancer in thyroid that spread to liver, and back. I was in hospital for almost 2 years before I bought car. So for 3 years I have now spent another $10,000 and slowly fixing the hacked up general lee from hell. It has caused me more stress than my cancer and back pain. I still need to have it painted and another $6k in parts to complete car. I dont know if I can ever get the car done. Im doing the metal work myself with my fathers help. The guy who sold me the car is a scum bag to take advantage of someone like that. This guy must feel like a real man because he took away my dream of having a general lee. I wanted to sue him but I have so many medical problems at the time I could not deal with suing someone. I tons of pictures to show the rusted out bondo bucket painted orange with decals. If I get time I will post them.
WOW... I am sorry to hear of your experience. It sounds (if this is possible) worse than mine. I'm also sorry that your health is causing you such (added) problems. I hope you will recover and have a long, healthy and prosperous life.
Who was the guy you bought yours from? Are you in the US?
Thanks for your comments and your support. :cheers:
Quote from: jb666 on March 07, 2009, 06:32:38 PM
Quote from: 70-500-SE-EXPORT on March 07, 2009, 06:28:29 PM
I've been following this thread since it started. Im commenting for the first time. I think its incredible you are restoring that car after you were ripped off. I thank you for taking the time to take pictures and post them and update us on the progress. I was also the victim of a general lee scam I bought off ebay from a guy in Troutman NC. It was a junkyard heap that had 150 lb sof fiberglass and bondo. I found out the roof was bondo under flag because 10 lb chunk of bondo fell out of headliner and hit me in head when I drove it home from transport station. It was advertised as perfectly running and driving car. It actually had ONE lugnut holding the wheels on. He also stole parts off it after he took pictures for ebay. I needed a new carb and remote gas tank to drive it home. It had 1/2 turn play in steering wheel and basically no brakes. It turned out to have 1" of bondo on both sides of the car. The quarters, roof, decklid, fenders, hood, doors, dutchman panel , and rear valence were basically created by 25% rust 25% steel and 50% bondo/fiberglass. It had about 5 gallons of bondo. No part of the car was salvageable. He put a piece of steel over the rust hole called a floor and bolted the seat to that and covered the rusted out floors with road tar then a new carpet.
It was 2006 when I bought it for 14,000. I was 20 years old. I spend ALL my money and borrowed some.. I also was just finishing chemo because I have cancer in thyroid that spread to liver, and back. I was in hospital for almost 2 years before I bought car. So for 3 years I have now spent another $10,000 and slowly fixing the hacked up general lee from hell. It has caused me more stress than my cancer and back pain. I still need to have it painted and another $6k in parts to complete car. I dont know if I can ever get the car done. Im doing the metal work myself with my fathers help. The guy who sold me the car is a scum bag to take advantage of someone like that. This guy must feel like a real man because he took away my dream of having a general lee. I wanted to sue him but I have so many medical problems at the time I could not deal with suing someone. I tons of pictures to show the rusted out bondo bucket painted orange with decals. If I get time I will post them.
WOW... I am sorry to hear of your experience. It sounds (if this is possible) worse than mine. I'm also sorry that your health is causing you such (added) problems. I hope you will recover and have a long, healthy and prosperous life.
Who was the guy you bought yours from? Are you in the US?
Thanks for your comments and your support. :cheers:
Lets kill two scam artists with one lawsuit. :D :D :D :D
That guy would get a good "friendly encounter" with a baseball bat behind a bar if that happened to a few people I know. :scratchchin:
:cheers:
Wow Jeff, it is starting to look like a car again. When are they est. it to be finished?
Quote from: Marsh on March 07, 2009, 09:45:36 PM
Wow Jeff, it is starting to look like a car again. When are they est. it to be finished?
I'm not pushing them.. I'm assuming we're still on track for Spring. They are kicking some serious butt on the car. They've only had it for a few weeks (including the week they lost at the sand-blaster's) and have transformed the car into something respectable!!
And of course, you know me, there will be a few custom "changes" made to the car.. Nothing that'll make people say "Oh God, WHY?!?!?" (except those that hate GL's), but it'll stand out as MINE...
Quote from: jb666 on March 07, 2009, 09:48:28 PM
And of course, you know me, there will be a few custom "changes" made to the car..
What might these include? :icon_smile_wink: :icon_smile_wink:
Quote from: WingCharger on March 07, 2009, 09:49:09 PM
Quote from: jb666 on March 07, 2009, 09:48:28 PM
And of course, you know me, there will be a few custom "changes" made to the car..
What might these include? :icon_smile_wink: :icon_smile_wink:
Well now you know I can't give all the good stuff away!! (Now I sound like Chuck!!). I'll post it as it's happening, don't you worry :icon_smile_big: (It's like the big cliff-hanger season finale, gotta keep you coming back!!)
:cheers:
;)
Holy cow Jeff... :o Your car is starting to look like...a car!!!! :yesnod:
Wow, they've made a lot of progress and the car. You have done an excellent job photographing and documenting it. :2thumbs:
Jeff...why don't you name each side of the car? Like people do with their names on the door. In small lettering in a inconspicuous spot that is seen. An example is Vengeance on one side and retribution on the other... :shruggy:
Quote from: captnsim on March 07, 2009, 11:57:43 PM
Holy cow Jeff... :o Your car is starting to look like...a car!!!! :yesnod:
Indeed it is!! You saw it when I THOUGHT the surprises were over, but the best was yet to come...
Quote from: Cozmo on March 08, 2009, 12:28:31 AM
Wow, they've made a lot of progress and the car. You have done an excellent job photographing and documenting it. :2thumbs:
Thanks! You know me, I did the same thing when my Vette was being done, but I didn't post them.. This is being done for two reasons:
1. To show the work of the two shops doing my car
2. To show the world what BK Auto charged $70k+++ for
So far, so good!!
Quote from: captnsim on March 08, 2009, 02:18:04 AM
Jeff...why don't you name each side of the car? Like people do with their names on the door. In small lettering in a inconspicuous spot that is seen. An example is Vengeance on one side and retribution on the other... :shruggy:
:lol: Good idea, but the only thing I'm trying to find a place to sneak onto my car for a badge is the little HEMI emblem.
You can put my name on the door if you want to Jeff. :drool5: I can't wait for paint. I am so glad you came forward with this car. It was meant to be. :2thumbs:
Quote from: skip68 on March 08, 2009, 07:23:13 PM
You can put my name on the door if you want to Jeff. :drool5: I can't wait for paint. I am so glad you came forward with this car. It was meant to be. :2thumbs: Tomorrow will be a day full of emails and phone calls. It will be a very busy day for me and I hope to be able to let some info out. I hope to be done with the first wave against BK before the car is done. :naughty:
Excellent!!
Your name will be on my door!! :cheers: :cheers: It might be in Orange, so it'll be a bit hard to see :icon_smile_big:
Jeff you need a Dodge trailer for your BK display ?
Possibly towed behind your Vengance Lee, You could set up a
"The BK Corral"
at the mopar events you'll need to attend this summer.
Just a thought.
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Ron
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:scratchchin:
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Quote from: skip68 on March 08, 2009, 10:04:06 PM
:scratchchin: You know Jeff, I was just thinking. :o If Thomas Schubert was willing to pay you $4k to go away, What do you think all this dirt I have on Thomas is worth ? :smilielol: :scratchchin:
Why would he pay you for dirt Chuck? He has all kinds of dirt on the floor of his restoration shop. It's even in the paint area. :shruggy:
Isn't a name on a car kind of the same as getting a tattoo of a girlfriend/womans name? Not really a good idea? You know, you think it's cool everybody else is asking themselves WTF?
On a bodywork related note here to you Jeff.... I am sure the shop will take this into consideration but I just want to throw it out there for you,....before the car is painted, have them set the rear window glass in and set the reveal molding in to make sure everything fits there ok. This is a common overlooked aspect of doing bodywork of this magnitude. Once again, I'm sure the shop the car is at now has already taken this into consideration, just another thing to be weary of. I'd hate to see the car go this far then run into that issue after it's been painted :2thumbs:.
Quote from: BlueSS454 on March 08, 2009, 11:26:53 PM
On a bodywork related note here to you Jeff.... I am sure the shop will take this into consideration but I just want to throw it out there for you,....before the car is painted, have them set the rear window glass in and set the reveal molding in to make sure everything fits there ok. This is a common overlooked aspect of doing bodywork of this magnitude. Once again, I'm sure the shop the car is at now has already taken this into consideration, just another thing to be weary of. I'd hate to see the car go this far then run into that issue after it's been painted :2thumbs:.
This is VERY good and valueable advice........It will make the end result not only better but easier too.!
Quote from: 1hot68 on March 09, 2009, 07:48:11 AM
Quote from: BlueSS454 on March 08, 2009, 11:26:53 PM
On a bodywork related note here to you Jeff.... I am sure the shop will take this into consideration but I just want to throw it out there for you,....before the car is painted, have them set the rear window glass in and set the reveal molding in to make sure everything fits there ok. This is a common overlooked aspect of doing bodywork of this magnitude. Once again, I'm sure the shop the car is at now has already taken this into consideration, just another thing to be weary of. I'd hate to see the car go this far then run into that issue after it's been painted :2thumbs:.
This is VERY good and valueable advice........It will make the end result not only better but easier too.!
ABSOLUTELY it is. I don't have to tell the shop, you just did (they read this thread) :icon_smile_big:
I have a brand new rear window showing up at their shop in the next week or so anyways, so that won't be a problem, but thanks for looking out, I appreciate it! :cheers:
Quote from: BlueSS454 on March 08, 2009, 11:26:53 PM
On a bodywork related note here to you Jeff.... I am sure the shop will take this into consideration but I just want to throw it out there for you,....before the car is painted, have them set the rear window glass in and set the reveal molding in to make sure everything fits there ok. This is a common overlooked aspect of doing bodywork of this magnitude. Once again, I'm sure the shop the car is at now has already taken this into consideration, just another thing to be weary of. I'd hate to see the car go this far then run into that issue after it's been painted :2thumbs:.
were you watching musclecar this weekend too? They put the rear window trim on and used it to put some metal fillter on the roof of the impala redsled project :icon_smile_big: :icon_smile_big:
Quote from: dkn1997 on March 09, 2009, 03:25:40 PM
Quote from: BlueSS454 on March 08, 2009, 11:26:53 PM
On a bodywork related note here to you Jeff.... I am sure the shop will take this into consideration but I just want to throw it out there for you,....before the car is painted, have them set the rear window glass in and set the reveal molding in to make sure everything fits there ok. This is a common overlooked aspect of doing bodywork of this magnitude. Once again, I'm sure the shop the car is at now has already taken this into consideration, just another thing to be weary of. I'd hate to see the car go this far then run into that issue after it's been painted :2thumbs:.
were you watching musclecar this weekend too? They put the rear window trim on and used it to put some metal fillter on the roof of the impala redsled project :icon_smile_big: :icon_smile_big:
:lol: I normally never miss that either, but I did yesterday.
Quote from: skip68 on March 07, 2009, 02:21:49 PM
:scratchchin: It sounds like they tackled this car with a "VENGEANCE" huh? :smilielol: Sorry guys. :rofl: I'll shut up now.
It sounds more like the car has been RESURRECTED....lol Chuck, I'm flying in Wednesday evening.
Today I got a tall package in via USPS and I wanted to give a huge shout out to Wingnut426 on the forum.. The moldings he sent me were triple wrapped in bubble wrap, packaged in 10" of styrofoam peanuts and inside of a box that was inside of the box :o , These things could have fallen out of a plane and not been damaged.
Anyways, these things are cherry, THANK YOU!!!
I also asked for enough OEM bolts to assemble a front end. Not only did he label the bolts and put them in different baggies, but they were already Orange :lol:
Thanks, Pete, for helping make the finishing touches easy :cheers: :cheers:
:cheers: :2thumbs: Right on ! Another stand up member.
Quote from: skip68 on March 09, 2009, 05:05:13 PM
:cheers: :2thumbs: Right on ! Another stand up member.
It's about all I've seen here, so far!! This place is unlike any other!! :cheers: :cheers:
Quote from: dkn1997 on March 09, 2009, 03:25:40 PM
Quote from: BlueSS454 on March 08, 2009, 11:26:53 PM
On a bodywork related note here to you Jeff.... I am sure the shop will take this into consideration but I just want to throw it out there for you,....before the car is painted, have them set the rear window glass in and set the reveal molding in to make sure everything fits there ok. This is a common overlooked aspect of doing bodywork of this magnitude. Once again, I'm sure the shop the car is at now has already taken this into consideration, just another thing to be weary of. I'd hate to see the car go this far then run into that issue after it's been painted :2thumbs:.
were you watching musclecar this weekend too? They put the rear window trim on and used it to put some metal fillter on the roof of the impala redsled project :icon_smile_big: :icon_smile_big:
I missed it, but just from my own experience. I learned this lesson the hard way on my General. Neither of my Chevelles had rear glass corners as bad as the Charger and I made the mistake of not fitting the glass in there. I made it work, but it was no joy to do so.
I was just thinking, is Jon going to weld the push bar back on or are you guys going to make it a bolt on deal ?
Quote from: skip68 on March 10, 2009, 01:21:12 AM
I was just thinking, is Jon going to weld the push bar back on or are you guys going to make it a bolt on deal ?
Actually, BOTH. We talked about this last week. He's going to weld "arms" to the frame rail and make it so that the bar bolts right to them for easy removal. We got to talking, and he said "If you ever needed to take your grill off again you'd be screwed!!". I'm hoping I never do, again, but who knows!!
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Ok guys, I have a favor to ask you. I've been asked a simple question by my (local) legal counsel. ARE BK AUTO and BRIAN ERDMAN connected? He believes they are because of the way this whole thing happened. Right now, it's speculation and he's doing some digging for facts.
I've been asked to "ask for help" online. If you see Brian and/or BK Auto(THOMAS SCHUBERT) posting anywhere online would you post a link here or send it to me/Chuck via PM?? Brian has gone by the name SickDawg in the past, and BK, as far as we know, has had no pseudo names.
Thanks for any help you guys might be able to offer.
Next it's time to aggressively attack every single Knight Rider, Starsky&Hutch, A-Team & "specialty car" forum out there for information. Hopefully some more information will fall into our laps.
:cheers:
Quote from: jb666 on March 10, 2009, 09:16:33 PM
Ok guys, I have a favor to ask you. I've been asked a simple question by my (local) legal counsel. ARE BK AUTO and BRIAN ERDMAN connected? He believes they are because of the way this whole thing happened. Right now, it's speculation and he's doing some digging for facts.
I've been asked to "ask for help" online. If you see Brian and/or BK Auto(THOMAS SCHUBERT) posting anywhere online would you post a link here or send it to me/Chuck via PM?? Brian has gone by the name SickDawg in the past, and BK, as far as we know, has had no pseudo names.
Thanks for any help you guys might be able to offer.
Next it's time to aggressively attack every single Knight Rider, Starsky&Hutch, A-Team & "specialty car" forum out there for information. Hopefully some more information will fall into our laps.
:cheers:
If I see any I'll get ahold either your or Chuck or both of you.
But, what do you meant by attack each forum?
Quote from: MoparManJim on March 10, 2009, 09:21:11 PM
Quote from: jb666 on March 10, 2009, 09:16:33 PM
Ok guys, I have a favor to ask you. I've been asked a simple question by my (local) legal counsel. ARE BK AUTO and BRIAN ERDMAN connected? He believes they are because of the way this whole thing happened. Right now, it's speculation and he's doing some digging for facts.
I've been asked to "ask for help" online. If you see Brian and/or BK Auto(THOMAS SCHUBERT) posting anywhere online would you post a link here or send it to me/Chuck via PM?? Brian has gone by the name SickDawg in the past, and BK, as far as we know, has had no pseudo names.
Thanks for any help you guys might be able to offer.
Next it's time to aggressively attack every single Knight Rider, Starsky&Hutch, A-Team & "specialty car" forum out there for information. Hopefully some more information will fall into our laps.
:cheers:
If I see any I'll get ahold either your or Chuck or both of you.
But, what do you meant by attack each forum?
By that I only mean go searching for other victims. If they haven't found their way here (which a LOT haven't because of the Mopar roots) then we'll flush them out.
It appears BK's been reduced to "advertising" on Cardomain.
http://www.cardomain.com/ride/3164828#guestbook
:lol:
And these poor guys have no clue who they have on their site
http://www.carestoration.com/restorat.htm
Did anyone else look at the gtx "resto' page? btw, it wouldn't hurt for some more people to join cardomain and sign bk's guest book.
I commented on EVERY SINGLE one of their pages :D
Not sure this is of any use, found his name on the 2008 Dukefest web page as a winner for signing his car: http://www.dukesfest.com/cars.htm
;)
Quote from: jb666 on March 10, 2009, 09:16:33 PM
Next it's time to aggressively attack every single Knight Rider, Starsky&Hutch, A-Team & "specialty car" forum out there for information. Hopefully some more information will fall into our laps.
:cheers:
These are the four main Knight Rider forums:
http://knightregistries.com/forum (http://knightregistries.com/forum)
http://knightrideronline.com/forum (http://knightrideronline.com/forum)
http://www.knightrideruk.co.uk/forum/index.php (http://www.knightrideruk.co.uk/forum/index.php)
http://www.knightfoundation.net/2008F0rum/index.php (http://www.knightfoundation.net/2008F0rum/index.php)
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Quote from: Dark Screen on March 11, 2009, 06:20:12 AM
Quote from: jb666 on March 10, 2009, 09:16:33 PM
Next it's time to aggressively attack every single Knight Rider, Starsky&Hutch, A-Team & "specialty car" forum out there for information. Hopefully some more information will fall into our laps.
:cheers:
These are the four main Knight Rider forums:
http://knightregistries.com/forum (http://knightregistries.com/forum)
http://knightrideronline.com/forum (http://knightrideronline.com/forum)
http://www.knightrideruk.co.uk/forum/index.php (http://www.knightrideruk.co.uk/forum/index.php)
http://www.knightfoundation.net/2008F0rum/index.php (http://www.knightfoundation.net/2008F0rum/index.php)
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Thanks!! I'm on 3 out of 4 but didn't know about the UK forum :cheers: :cheers: I'll post links later.
Here's one:
http://www.knightfoundation.net/2008F0rum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=10948
And another:
http://knightregistries.com/forum/showthread.php?p=61082#post61082
And another.
http://www.knightrideruk.co.uk/forum/index.php?showtopic=7473
Quote from: dkn1997 on March 10, 2009, 11:44:20 PM
Did anyone else look at the gtx "resto' page? btw, it wouldn't hurt for some more people to join cardomain and sign bk's guest book.
I couldn't agree more!!! :cheers: His "resto" page is a JOKE. He actually has some people there believing the work they do is nice.
Quote from: GT on March 11, 2009, 12:50:29 AM
Not sure this is of any use, found his name on the 2008 Dukefest web page as a winner for signing his car: http://www.dukesfest.com/cars.htm
I knew Brian won that. He ended up showing up at Dukefest with his sun visor because BK wasn't done forming the car out of Bondo yet, or so Brian said. I'm beginning to wonder if Brian's partner Thomas asked him to show up because they knew it'd be a cool 'feature' for their new General Lee to have.
Quote from: 69bronzeT5 on March 10, 2009, 11:51:43 PM
I commented on EVERY SINGLE one of their pages :D
Nice man, thank you!! :cheers: --- I just went and looked -- ALL COMMENTS have been deleted, except the positive.
JB,
Check your links your posting on other forums, only tried one but it didnt work :2thumbs:
Nope they dont seem to be working the others your posted either,
Heres the link to this topic
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,50620.0.html
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Does Cardomain let this kind of crap go on ? :shruggy: This is all FACT and PUBLIC INFO and yet a scammer can continue to hide on a site that big ? I hope that they get word of this and make a change. I still can't believe that Thomas Schubert had the Gaul to come here and tell us that the car was blasted and it's a $1500 value to any restoration. Then charge Brian for it and yet there was still paint, rust, dirt and the work was not done. So, why in the hell would you blast a car, charge for doing it and then not fix it ? That makes this so called blast job for nothing, there for it has no value. :icon_smile_dissapprove:
I just called Cardomain in Seattle and left my name and number for them to call me.
I have a little Cardomain trick up my sleeve :D
Quote from: 69bronzeT5 on March 11, 2009, 01:08:31 PM
I have a little Cardomain trick up my sleeve :D
:popcrn: :popcrn:
Chuck
Did you just post using ZERO smilies? Damn dude, are you OK?
Don't stress...
Neal
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Quote from: jb666 on March 11, 2009, 05:20:07 PM
Quote from: 69bronzeT5 on March 11, 2009, 01:08:31 PM
I have a little Cardomain trick up my sleeve :D
Ok, so whatcha got :icon_smile_big:
http://groups.cardomain.com/groups/37538/pages/39654
:D
When Bk sees that, they will report abuse. They must be watching this thread. :rotz:
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Yea Jeff. What gives? :shruggy:
This guy is a total idiot! Yes, you, Thomas Schubert.
P.S. Thomas- They have this feature on almost any computer. It is called "Spell Check". You should use it so when you post things and respond to people you can at least "sound" like a professional.
Dam Neal, you are right. I had no idea that I made a post without any smilies. I guess I've just got too busy the last few days. I see that you are on Jeff. Don't you have that feeling you get when you have sweet news but can't tell the world yet ?
Quote from: jb666 on March 10, 2009, 09:16:33 PM
Ok guys, I have a favor to ask you. I've been asked a simple question by my (local) legal counsel. ARE BK AUTO and BRIAN ERDMAN connected? He believes they are because of the way this whole thing happened. Right now, it's speculation and he's doing some digging for facts.
I believe they are connected (as I suggested in my previous post), Jeff. Has anyone found anything to link them yet? There's just no way Brian can be innocent in all this, unless he feels like he could be liable if he gets involved. Maybe that's his strategy. Let you duke (pun intended) it out with BK, while Brian goes on his merry way. Did you ever see any cancelled checks or bank statements from Brian, of what he paid? I'd be suprised if they exist.
And, once the car is done, and you take it to as many shows as you can this summer, you should put together a photobook and a photo DVD, and display it to show others what happened, and how to spread the word even more. You never know, if could lead you to even more/better info sources. ;)
BTW, the car is looking great! I can't believe how far they have come in such a short time. I wish I had a body shop like that in my area.
-Russ
Looking good Jeff. Do you still need those trim pieces that span the length of the roof? You know, not the drip rail but the inside pieces for the window molding. My buddy might be headed to Malden in the near future and I could possibly get him to at least carry them to MA.
I don't have that much free time anymore but still want to get them to you, if you need them.
Mike
You're company is finished Tommy boy, and you don't even know it. Have a nice day. :wave:
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SOON ! That's all I can say. Hey Mike, I need that trim. :yesnod: How much do you want for it ? Let me know.
This is the radiator support lower bracket that holds the grille support:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/genrallee034Medium.jpg)
BK Version:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2426Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2425Medium.jpg)
And here's the new tail panel, all welded into place!!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/genrallee036Medium.jpg)
Looking very good :cheers:
I like the cardomain page. very good.
I'm checking this every chance I get waiting for the next surprise.
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And an RT no less! Be sure and send those numbers off to the 69 Registry site, Chris may be able to reunite it with the car.
At least that one isn't one that you can blame on BK, those broadcast sheets commonly turn up in different cars.
Quote from: jb666 on March 11, 2009, 07:43:45 PM
I picked up a 12" digital photo frame last weekend that'll store over 4000 pictures.
With all the attention you'll be getting, maybe one of these is a better way to go:
http://backyardtheater.com/
:smilielol:
(http://backyardtheater.com/forums/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2376.0;attach=5306;image)
Quote from: Ghoste on March 11, 2009, 08:42:07 PM
And an RT no less! Be sure and send those numbers off to the 69 Registry site, Chris may be able to reunite it with the car.
At least that one isn't one that you can blame on BK, those broadcast sheets commonly turn up in different cars.
I have a few sets of #'s to submit, but last time I was there it was a big form to fill out... Is there some place there I can just submit a VIN?
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Sound clips from the upcoming BK Documentary airing soon at a website near you!
Loverboy - It's Over (You're business)
Metallica - For Whom The Bell Tolls (That's you Tom)
AC/DC -Highway To Hell (Where you're going after your jail stint)
Judas Priest - Screaming For Vengeance (All the customers you've ripped off)
Motley Crue - 10 Seconds To Love (What Tom's cell mate will be saying to him)
Humble Pie - 30 Days In The Hole (Should be 30 years)
The Pretenders - Back On The Chain Gang (Where you belong)
Johnny Cash - Folsom Prison Blues (You'll hang your head and cry)
Steve Miller Band - Take The Money and Run (Which you did)
Jimi Hendrix - All Along The Watchtower (Where the guards will watch you from)
Judas Priest - Breaking The Law (Which you did....repeatedly)
Foghat - Slow Ride (Your trip to jail from the courthouse)
ZZ Top - Concrete and Steel (Your new living quarters)
Ted Nugent - Stranglehold (What DC.Com has done to you and your "business")
The Who - I Can't Explain (How I could rip somebody off for so much money!)
CCR - Better Run Through The Jungle ( Or in your case to Mexico)
Aerosmith - Sick As A Dog (What you must be feeling right about now)
Santana - Evil Ways (You've got change..........Baby)
Nazareth - Hair Of The Dog ( Now You're messin' with.........)
Joe Walsh - Walk Away (Something you should have done)
Van Halen - I'll Wait (Til my parole comes through)
Gun' N Roses - You Could Be Mine (What another prisoner in the yard will tell you)
Ozzy Osbourne - Suicide Solution (Your choice of action in this matter)
Megadeth - Wake Up Dead ( I bet you wish you had these days)
Jackyl - I Stand Alone (Because nobody else will back you up on this)
Alice Cooper - I Got You Under My Wheels (Like flattened roadkill)
3 Doors Down - Loser (Which you are)
And many many more. Stay tuned to DC.Com for many more great compilations to be released at a future date. Although they will probably be released before you are.
:smilielol: Now that was gooooood. Thank's :cheers:
Hey Thanks Chuck, I'm in the pre planning stages of volume 2. I mean great work must not go unrecognized and that includes Uncle Toms! I wonder if we can get him a copy at his soon to be new address?
Could maybe add one more song to the list
Argent - Liar (and caught) ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgGyleads9Q (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgGyleads9Q)
Due to popular demand and in recognition of Tommy Boy we are proud to bring you Volume 2.
Janes Addiction - Been Caught Stealing (And I do mean caught)
Van Halen - Where Have All The Good Times Gone (You'll be asking that a lot)
Pearl Jam - Black (Your prospects for any future business dealings)
Foghat - Stone Blue (The color of your jail cell)
Ozzy Osbourne - Mama I'm Coming Home (But not for quite some time)
AC/DC - Gimme A Bullet (You'll want it for yourself before this is all over)
Alice Cooper - No More Mr. Nice Guy ( A special dedication from Chuck to you Tom!)
Marilyn Manson - The Beautiful People ( That's Us Tom!)
The Beatles - Taxman ( Another person you'll be getting to know a lot better I bet!)
Ratt - Scene Of The Crime ( Or multiple crimes in your case)
Offspring - Gotta Get Away ( But you're not going to)
Nirvana - Come As You Are (Don't worry we have everything you need here at the jail)
Nazareth - Changin' Times ( And a change of scenery for you!)
Santana - I Ain't Got Nobody (To help me out of this shit)
Led Zeppelin - What Is And What Should Never Be (You ever operating a business again)
Aerosmith - Walk This Way ( Into the booking room)
Cream - I Feel Free ( Something you won't be saying much longer)
CCR - I heard It Through The Grapevine ( That you're gonna do time)
The Who - Won't Get Fooled Again ( And neither will anybody else after this)
Ted Nugent - Flesh And Blood ( That's what we want from you)
The Eagles - Those Shoes ( Prison issue)
George Thorogood - Who Do You Love (Certainly not us or your former customers)
Krokus - Screamin' In The Night ( You know why)
Judas Priest - You've Got Another Thing Comin' (Multiple felony counts I am guessing)
Billy Squire - The Stroke (What you've been doing for years to your victims)
King's X - Black Flag (On your morning, there was a black flag on your day)
Motley Crue - Don't Go Away Mad (Just go away)
Kiss - Tears Are Falling (From your cheeks every night)
Megedeth - Sweating Bullets ( I bet you are right now)
Metallica - Fade to Black ( What your business is doing right about now)
Tom Petty - I Wont Back Down ( But you should have)
Pink Floyd - Time (You'll have plenty of it)
The Doors - The End (Of your business)
Alice In Chains - Man In The Box ( Or in your case in the cell)
AC/DC - Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Cheap ( If you call $70,000 cheap!....which you did)
Aerosmith - Same Old Song And Dance ( But nobody's buying it this time)
AC/DC - Hell Ain't A Bad Place To Be ( You'll find that out soon enough)
Dokken - Into The Fire ( You might as well jump on in)
Soundgarden - Rusty Cage (What you'll be spending your time in)
Pink Floyd - Run Like Hell ( You should of when you had the chance)
Please watch for our next volume of great songs dedicated to BK. Available soon. Although maybe not through the prison commissary.
Good stuff!! :cheers: :cheers:
Quote from: jb666 on March 11, 2009, 08:47:44 PM
Quote from: Ghoste on March 11, 2009, 08:42:07 PM
And an RT no less! Be sure and send those numbers off to the 69 Registry site, Chris may be able to reunite it with the car.
At least that one isn't one that you can blame on BK, those broadcast sheets commonly turn up in different cars.
I have a few sets of #'s to submit, but last time I was there it was a big form to fill out... Is there some place there I can just submit a VIN?
Why, yes, there is! It's a really swell L & F site, just for these kinda things. ;)
Mopar Lost and Found Database (http://vexer.com/mopar/)
Quote from: 0X01B8 on March 12, 2009, 10:00:54 AM
Quote from: jb666 on March 11, 2009, 08:47:44 PM
Quote from: Ghoste on March 11, 2009, 08:42:07 PM
And an RT no less! Be sure and send those numbers off to the 69 Registry site, Chris may be able to reunite it with the car.
At least that one isn't one that you can blame on BK, those broadcast sheets commonly turn up in different cars.
I have a few sets of #'s to submit, but last time I was there it was a big form to fill out... Is there some place there I can just submit a VIN?
Why, yes, there is! It's a really swell L & F site, just for these kinda things. ;)
Mopar Lost and Found Database (http://vexer.com/mopar/)
Great site, thanks!! I'll add the information tonight.
Jeff, did you get my pm ? I've had trouble getting a message to you. I think my computer is playing with me. Every message I try to send, a window pops up and say's retry. :shruggy: So I'll post it here. I need a copy of that report. Don't make me come after you. :nana:
Between this list and the previous list I don't think I've laughed this hard IN THE MORNING in my entire life! That was GREAT!!! You put some serious thought into your song selection!! I'd buy one!!
Now you need to design the CD jacket and market that bad boy, I think it'd sell!! I'll play it as my background music at the shows this year!
Thanks Jeff,
You know how it is...It's all about the music. We have enough material for a third volume if the demand is there!
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I just hope Tom likes these musical selections. I mean they are dedicated to him and are meant to be a reflection of his work and moral standing in the "showcar business"
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I'm not savvy with graphic design or artwork. Maybe we could have another member design the cover art for the compilations? Although I am afraid we may be running out of time before the "tour" starts.
Guys -- I have to ask (here) to see if someone has a small part I'm looking for. I need the passenger's side rear quarter trim piece. This is the small pc that looks like an "eyebrow" at the top rear of the quarter. It appears that, when stripping the paint off of it, the shop learned BK "made" this pc out of Bondo and it won't go back on the car.
The driver's side is fine..
Hopefully someone here has one they'd part with?
:popcrn:
The quarter end cap?
(http://www.beaparts.com/images/item_images/151-C%20copy.jpg)
I don't have any extras, or I'd send ya one.
BEAParts has 'em.
Thanks -- If I can't find a clean one (used) I'll check with Jason @ Gunslinger. He's been real good to me.
Jeff, I'd like to get back down there soon, thanks for the invite. Glad you got those pieces. Chuck, send me your address and I'll get the pieces to you somehow, just be patient is all I ask. They will need some tin smithin' so prepare for that, but if you want them, I'll send them. Jeff has pictures of them. Jeff, can you forward those pics to chuck, please, if you still have them. I don't have them saved.
Great song compilation by the way.
v/r
Mike
Ladies and gentlemen. DC.com is proud to bring you the third and final installment of the BK box set. So lets get right to it!
Accept - Balls To The Wall (Your's will be from here on out)
Pantera - Cemetary Gates (What your business is currently passing through)
Metallica - Am I Evil (Yes you are)
Rolling Stones - Can't You Hear Me Knocking (What the FBI and US Marshalls are asking you)
Blue Oyster Cult - Don't Fear The Reaper (You'd probably be happy to see him at this point)
Led Zeppelin - Ten Years Gone (Approximately how long you'll be in prison we hope)
Alice In Chains - No Excuses (None could justify what you've done)
The Who - Magic Bus (What you'll be riding in on your way to state prison)
Aerosmith - No More, No More (Will you be ripping off unsuspecting customers)
Ted Nugent - Writing On The Wall (Of your cell)
Ozzy Osbourne - Breaking All The Rules (You did)
Dangerous Toys - Here Comes Trouble (If you only knew!)
Rush - Lessons (You didn't listen again)
Van Halen - Everybody Wants Some (We want some too)
Metallica - The Thing That Should Not Be (Your business license)
Guns N Roses - Their Out To Get Me (And we will)
AC/DC - If You Want Blood (You've got it, and some nasty legal problems)
Alice In Chains - It Ain't Like That Anymore (Is it Tom?)
The Cars - Bye Bye Love (What you'll be telling your old lady at your sentencing)
Jimi Hendrix - Manic Depression (What you'll be experiencing during your incarceration)
Ugly Kid Joe - I'll Keep Tryin' (I hope you're buying all my lies)
Metal Church - Ton of Bricks (What you've dumped on your own head)
The Eagles - I Can't Tell You Why (I ripped off all those people)
Ted Nugent - Death By Misadventure (What you've done to your business and personal life)
Tom Petty - You Got Lucky (But your good luck streak is over)
Megadeth - Foreclosure Of A Dream (Bet this takes on a whole new meaning eh Tommy boy)
Ted Nugent - My Love Is Like A Tire Iron (Your cellmate will explain that to you in detail)
Billy Squire - Everybody Wants You (Especially those in the law enforcement community)
Judas Priest - Delivering The Goods (Again your cellmate will explain that)
Ratt - I'm Insane (You must be to try and defend your actions)
Anthrax - Room For One More (In the cellblock)
Led Zeppelin - Nobody's Fault But Mine (Who's else's could it be)
Bad Company - Movin' On (To state prison)
Metallica - Sad But True (Your current predicament)
Nazareth - Love Hurts (But so does getting ripped off by shady restoration shops)
Megadeth - Peace Sells (But who's buying? not us)
Steve Miller Band - The Stake (What you should be tied to)
Pink Floyd - Goodbye Blue Sky (You won' be seeing it nearly as much)
ZZ Top - Waiting For The Bus/Jesus Just Left Chicago (Bet you wish you were going with him!)
Dokken - You Just Got Lucky (But you're lucky streak is over)
AC/DC - Problem Child (Chuck's special dedication to you Tom)
AC/DC - Ain't No Fun Waitin' Round To Be A Millionaire (Good thing because you'll never be one)
:smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol:
That's awesome! I love almost every single one of those songs. I'll add the one I told you :D....
Metallica- ....And Justice For All (what we're getting)
:2thumbs:
Nice, Chuck!! :cheers:
Quote from: 69DodgeCharger on March 12, 2009, 08:03:56 PM
Ladies and gentlemen. DC.com is proud to bring you the third and final installment of the BK Automtive box set. So lets get right to it!
Metallica - The Thing That Should Not Be (Your business license)
I'd be shocked if he had a drivers license. :smilielol:
You reading this Tommy. This is what happens when idiots think they are smarter than the rest of the world. I figured your "attorney" would have chimed in by now with his cease and desist order, but that's not gonna happen is it? I have a pretty good idea what's gonna happen and it involves you suffering the misery of fines, possible imprisonment and garnishment of your wages for.......oh lets see the next 20-30 years?
:smilielol: His Attorney ? :shruggy: I think if Thomas had one, he left out the back door long ago. :rofl: I'm sure he will have one soon if not now. Like I've stated before, I can only hope that Thomas Schubert is as honest with his Attorney as he has been with us, his customers, the authorities and everyone else. :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol:
Jeff, I may have that piece you need I will check tomorrow and see if it is a left or right, then I will let you know. If it's in good shape, it's yours if you haven't found one by then.
;)
Jeff, It's Friday. :icon_smile_big: Any new pictures from the shop coming tonight ?
From the shop, I'm not sure, but I'll be there tomorrow morning and will be returning with lots of pictures!!
:whistling:
I haven't posted in this thread, but it's been pretty entertaining and I give you guys much credit for the time and energy that you've put into this worthy cause. Just remember that this guy is now the enemy and in the legal arena you don't want to give your enemy any heads up. It's just that some of these posts SEEM to be letting him in on on your next move or what he should or shouldn't be doing. You are on a public forum, so just be careful and keep up the good work. Bob
You know Bob, you are reading my mind. I was in the shower this morning and was thinking the same thing. I'm shocked at how far and deep this is going. :2thumbs: I have deleted some of the statements I've made as this is really speeding up. I WILL STILL POST WHAT'S GOING ON, BUT JUST IN A MORE NEED TO KNOW BASIS. As far as Thomas goes, most of what's going on is too late for him to fix. I hate to say this but, I think from here on out I need to say very little if anything at all. You guys know me by now, and you all know I'm not bluffing. :nono: So, please understand and stay with us. :cheers: Chuck.........
Quote from: skip68 on March 13, 2009, 12:17:17 PM
You know Bob, you are reading my mind. I was in the shower this morning and was thinking the same thing. I'm shocked at how far and deep this is going. :2thumbs: I have deleted some of the statements I've made as this is really speeding up. I WILL STILL POST WHAT'S GOING ON, BUT JUST IN A MORE NEED TO KNOW BASIS. As far as Thomas goes, most of what's going on is too late for him to fix. I hate to say this but, I think from here on out I need to say very little if anything at all. You guys know me by now, and you all know I'm not bluffing. :nono: So, please understand and stay with us. :cheers: Chuck.........
And the Judges Scores:
Use of Smilies: 8 out of a possible score of 10
Capital Letter: 8 out of a possible score of 10
Ominous Threats: 7 out of a possible score of 10
Use of Large Font: 0 out of a possible score of 10 (ouch!)
Use of Color: 0 out of a possible score of 10 (ahh, too bad)
Total Score 23 out of 50
Such a shame, I expected more.
In fairness, yesterday you set new Olympic and World Records in all categories, Chuck. Well-played, amigo
And you even stuck the landing with the requisite :cheers:
Peace, Neal
I heard from the shop this afternoon, they were checking to see if I was coming tomorrow. He said they made some good progress on my car this week, so I'll (as usual) be coming back with some nice pictures.
For the record Neal, might I ask who the judges are ? I have used color so that score is wrong. :rotz: :nana:
CHUCK, did you read my post on page 128?
just post more progress pics....
I just returned from the shop and am once again very happy with the progress. The car is looking great. All of the metal work is done, the lines are coming together and looking awesome, and the word "primer" was used a few times, so it's moving right along! I'll upload and post some pictures in a few minutes.
The time you spent typing that in could have been spent uploading pictures.
Get you priorities straight!!!
:rofl: I'm kidding, of course.... but post some pics already.
Quote from: dodgecharger-fan on March 14, 2009, 11:12:13 AM
The time you spent typing that in could have been spent uploading pictures.
Get you priorities straight!!!
:rofl: I'm kidding, of course.... but post some pics already.
Yeah!! Where is that Chompin at the bit Smiley?? :scratchchin:
For those that haven't seen the pictures in a while, check these out before, so you can see how the car came back from the blaster's shop and the work done since then.
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,50620.msg596163.html#msg596163
Ok, here goes.. I won't caption every picture, but I am still looking for the passenger's side rear quarter "eyebrow" trim pc.. As you'll see, mine is no good.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2637Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2633Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2623Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2624Medium.jpg)
On to the good. The new nose had to be skim coated and still needs to be sanded with fine paper, but you get the idea.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2616Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2615Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2612Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2610Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2609Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2608Medium.jpg)
No more directional holes:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2607Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2606Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2605Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2604Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2603Medium.jpg)
This bracket, on the right, they discovered is rotted from the car. They'll make a new L-bracket for it this week and reconnect it. This nose was literally hanging off the car between that and the other "issues" it had.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2600Medium.jpg)
This is the bracket I posted a picture of earlier.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2599Medium.jpg)
TO BE CONTINUED.....
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2598Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2597Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2596Medium.jpg)
The deck lid looks a bit better than last week:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2595Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2594Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2593Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2592Medium.jpg)
One cool thing is I never realized what lines were MISSING from my car before. Check out the "new" car and compare it to the old "smooth" lines that were on the car!!!!!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2591Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2082Large.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2007Small.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2589Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2588Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2587Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2586Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2585Medium.jpg)
Tail light panel's in and secure:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2584Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2583Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2582Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2581Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2580Medium.jpg)
The lock bracket is secure now
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2577Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2576Medium.jpg)
That's it, for now. I have more, but I have to go out for a while.
Sorry, last shot.. I love the lines of these cars, they are just so sexy..
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2590Medium.jpg)
jb, I'm going throgh the same thing now with the magically reappearing body line. My car didn't have it and now it does because of the repairs from my accident....
Quote from: dkn1997 on March 14, 2009, 12:22:24 PM
jb, I'm going throgh the same thing now with the magically reappearing body line. My car didn't have it and now it does because of the repairs from my accident....
Yes, I honestly had no idea of the body lines I was missing. NOW I see why some of the hard core Mopar guys were saying "I saw problems from the original pictures". I had no idea...
WOW... looks Good Jeff, Most of that BK orange is Gone !
Ron
Quote from: Big Sugar on March 14, 2009, 12:33:14 PM
WOW... looks Good Jeff, Most of that BK orange is Gone !
Ron
Thank you! It is almost gone, yes. The only part(s) that have Orange left are those that couldn't be sandblasted. The front valance wasn't on the car when it went to the (blaster's) shop and the rear lower panel couldn't be done because the rear tail light panel was so rotted and they didn't know what to expect.
So much for my ability to SEARCH.. I never realized this was here. There's a pretty strong warning, from 2006, about Thomas @ BK.
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,12342.0.html
And :o , that's MY CAR in the picture(s) here!!!!!!!!!
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,9854.msg117016.html#msg117016
It was such a nice looking car when you got it . . . .
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2082Large.jpg)
. . . . . . . and look what you've done to it! :brickwall:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2591Medium.jpg)
J/K, :icon_smile_big:
it is amazing to see the missing lines returning. :2thumbs:
The car is looking great. :2thumbs:
As for the BKAuto threads, that is unreal. Even after this started, I never even thought to do a search on this site for them. :slap:
You can also see that others were fooled by them. Quite a few guys thought there stuff looked great. Guess we know different now thanks to you.
Quote from: jb666 on March 14, 2009, 11:42:56 AM
Sorry, last shot.. I love the lines of these cars, they are just so sexy..
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2590Medium.jpg)
Best looking muscle car ever made!
This one's my favorite.. Now that it actually has the lines it should, it's really looking like the dream I always had :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2609Medium.jpg)
BTW, I got my latest group of parts in from Pete, and they were (once again) AWESOME.
The dome light is perfect!! I was shocked to see it came with all of the wire needed to plug it right in -- Thanks Pete!!! :cheers:
Now all I need is that one passenger's rear quarter eyebrow trim pc. :popcrn:
The second gen Chargers are a very sexy car. It doesn't take much looking around to notice that SEXY has been a thing of the past in cars.. I would have to say,,,, oh,,,,, 1970 was about the end of it... ;)
Quote from: Steve P. on March 14, 2009, 05:33:34 PM
The second gen Chargers are a very sexy car. It doesn't take much looking around to notice that SEXY has been a thing of the past in cars.. I would have to say,,,, oh,,,,, 1970 was about the end of it... ;)
Are dissin' us 3rd gen owners Steve? :RantExplode: ;)
won't be long and it'll be ready for some orange paint! :2thumbs:
Hey Jeff,
Here is a pic of the door panel delete plug that goes in the upper door panel.
Jason
looking good Jeff :yesnod: ..... looking like primer soon :yesnod:
Quote from: scatpack69 on March 14, 2009, 06:13:40 PM
won't be long and it'll be ready for some orange paint! :2thumbs:
Quote from: tan top on March 14, 2009, 06:35:44 PM
looking good Jeff :yesnod: ..... looking like primer soon :yesnod:
THANK GOD!! :cheers:
Quote from: jaak on March 14, 2009, 06:20:50 PM
Hey Jeff,
Here is a pic of the door panel delete plug that goes in the upper door panel.
Jason
Thanks Jason!! I'm still not positive that I won't be putting a remote mirror in.
sexy
this is my favorite from mine..i love those curves (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v728/AUTODYNAMICS/DSC02164.jpg)
ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v728/AUTODYNAMICS/Picture067.jpg)
Jeff, Are you going to install the cool BK Auto resto tag when your finished? :rofl:
This one's my favorite.. Now that it actually has the lines it should, it's really looking like the dream I always had 2thumbs 2thumbs
what are you going to do about an antenna? i see the hole is plugged.. did you skim it over with duct tape and bondo?
AMD fenders don't come with an antenna hole.
I think they made them with us Duke boys in mind. :2thumbs:
Quote from: mikepmcs on March 14, 2009, 07:59:51 PM
AMD fenders don't come with an antenna hole.
I think they made them with us Duke boys in mind. :2thumbs:
It's good for 99% of the replicas. Don't forget the early Georgia GL's still had the antenna. :2thumbs:
Quote from: Marsh on March 14, 2009, 07:43:03 PM
Jeff, Are you going to install the cool BK Auto resto tag when your finished? :rofl:
He should on the pile of bondo he plans on displaying.
Quote from: autodynamics on March 14, 2009, 07:41:36 PM
ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v728/AUTODYNAMICS/Picture067.jpg)
Dude, polish that thing! Seriously, it looks terrible. :nana:
Quote from: Marsh on March 14, 2009, 07:43:03 PM
Jeff, Are you going to install the cool BK Auto resto tag when your finished? :rofl:
:smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol:
Quote from: Marsh on March 14, 2009, 07:43:03 PM
Jeff, Are you going to install the cool BK Auto resto tag when your finished? :rofl:
:icon_smile_blackeye: You guys are too much.
No, seriously, you're too much.
:rotz: :lol:
Quote from: mikepmcs on March 14, 2009, 07:59:51 PM
AMD fenders don't come with an antenna hole.
I think they made them with us Duke boys in mind. :2thumbs:
Correcto... I'm not going to put any kind of a system in this car, so I was happy there was no antenna hole in the new fender.
Quote from: Marsh on March 14, 2009, 07:43:03 PM
Jeff, Are you going to install the cool BK Auto resto tag when your finished? :rofl:
I think he should. He could have that cool tag on a table to show what BK did right and the big pile of crap and video on another table to show what they did wrong. That way Jeff can't be accused of only showing the crappy work of BK. He will have a balanced display of the good and bad of BK. :smilielol:
Quote from: General_01 on March 14, 2009, 09:18:11 PM
Quote from: Marsh on March 14, 2009, 07:43:03 PM
Jeff, Are you going to install the cool BK Auto resto tag when your finished? :rofl:
I think he should. He could have that cool tag on a table to show what BK did right and the big pile of crap and video on another table to show what they did wrong. That way Jeff can't be accused of only showing the crappy work of BK. He will have a balanced display of the good and bad of BK. :smilielol:
I think he should just mount it on a plaque and sit it between the two new digital photo frames he just bought :icon_smile_big:
Hey Jeff,
I've wanted a Millenium Falcon since I was a kid. I found this one slightly used. What do you think?
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v612/lbaird78735/funny/GL_Spaceship.jpg)
Quote from: Cozmo on March 15, 2009, 12:21:00 AM
Hey Jeff,
I've wanted a Millenium Falcon since I was a kid. I found this one slightly used. What do you think?
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v612/lbaird78735/funny/GL_Spaceship.jpg)
Check the frame rails and go over the entire body with a fridge magnet, but remember that the duralloy panels are not magnetic. So, you'll have to visually inspect those. Ask if you can remove them and check the backside.
If either of the Kuat drive yards is fried, forget it. You can't get them anymore and you can't make them up yourself.
See if you can get the original the Hanx-Wargel SuperFlow IV computer. If so, put it back in and toss those droid brains that were put in. They just argue with each other.
Everything else, like sensor jammers, etc.. can be worked on, but if they check out when you test drive it, you should expect that to factor in to the price.
Good luck.
Thanks for the suggestions. I hate to hear droids arguing. :rofl: :rofl:
Hi there jb666, I was given a heads up to this thread over on Ramcharger Central and I spent about 13 hours reading the posts all the way up to i think page 122. :o I live in Maine so I got nothing better to do. Anyway I have been following along since and showing many of my GL fan friends along the way. I am sorry this happened to you but I am happy too. This Charger has a new lease on life and this has to be the best GL build I have ever seen. :popcrn: It makes me so mad to see people get shafted like that but you have kept your cool so well its almost inspiring. I hope your getting video of some of this stuff I would love to hear it fired up after its all done with. A friend of mine says he might have that rear brow and remote mirrors he been digging around in his trailers for the parts. Good luck on every thing. To those who are from the shop reading this thread I hope you all take great pride in your work. You have done fantastic work that is magical and inspiring. You all have been doing a great job so far! And Thomas you should be ashamed of yourself! BAD KITTY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! lol wait a minute...bad kitty- BK Hmmmmmmmm interesting
Where in Maine, I'm in readfield. Some other Maineiacs on this site as well.
Welcome aboard.
Mike
Quote from: RamchargerMopar on March 15, 2009, 02:35:29 PM
Hi there jb666, I was given a heads up to this thread over on Ramcharger Central and I spent about 13 hours reading the posts all the way up to i think page 122. :o I live in Maine so I got nothing better to do. Anyway I have been following along since and showing many of my GL fan friends along the way. I am sorry this happened to you but I am happy too. This Charger has a new lease on life and this has to be the best GL build I have ever seen. :popcrn: It makes me so mad to see people get shafted like that but you have kept your cool so well its almost inspiring. I hope your getting video of some of this stuff I would love to hear it fired up after its all done with. A friend of mine says he might have that rear brow and remote mirrors he been digging around in his trailers for the parts. Good luck on every thing. To those who are from the shop reading this thread I hope you all take great pride in your work. You have done fantastic work that is magical and inspiring. You all have been doing a great job so far! And Thomas you should be ashamed of yourself! BAD KITTY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! lol wait a minute...bad kitty- BK Hmmmmmmmm interesting
Hey, welcome to the forum and thanks for the words!! If your friend had those parts it'd be awesome!!
:cheers: :cheers:
Quote from: mikepmcs on March 15, 2009, 02:38:25 PM
Where in Maine, I'm in readfield. Some other Maineiacs on this site as well.
Welcome aboard.
Mike
I am in Ellsworth Maine right in between Bangor and Barharbor
Quote from: General_01 on March 14, 2009, 06:02:11 PM
Quote from: Steve P. on March 14, 2009, 05:33:34 PM
The second gen Chargers are a very sexy car. It doesn't take much looking around to notice that SEXY has been a thing of the past in cars.. I would have to say,,,, oh,,,,, 1970 was about the end of it... ;)
Are dissin' us 3rd gen owners Steve? :RantExplode: ;)
Sorry bro. You know i love them too. Matter of fact, the only Charger I ever owned was a 3rd gen. Spent alllllot of time in a 71' Super "B" also... Hell, I don't think they ever made a mopar I didn't like.. Ooooops.. Take that back... The 80's put a real kink in that thought... But like I say, for the most part I think they started loosing interest in tight cut, bathing beauty bodies after about 70. A few lingered on with some heat, but not the FIRE, in my humble opinion... I would like to own a 71' GTX one day... All black with very little brightwork.... But the 68' - 70' Charger is PURE SEX.... :2thumbs:
Sorry to get off the tracks here.... Now back to the BK SAGA....
Quote from: RamchargerMopar on March 15, 2009, 02:56:23 PM
Quote from: mikepmcs on March 15, 2009, 02:38:25 PM
Where in Maine, I'm in readfield. Some other Maineiacs on this site as well.
Welcome aboard.
Mike
I am in Ellsworth Maine right in between Bangor and Barharbor
You buddies with SUNROOF BLACK LEE? He's in the Bangor area.
Quote from: mikepmcs on March 15, 2009, 03:42:00 PM
Quote from: RamchargerMopar on March 15, 2009, 02:56:23 PM
Quote from: mikepmcs on March 15, 2009, 02:38:25 PM
Where in Maine, I'm in readfield. Some other Maineiacs on this site as well.
Welcome aboard.
Mike
I am in Ellsworth Maine right in between Bangor and Barharbor
You buddies with SUNROOF BLACK LEE? He's in the Bangor area.
Nope Don't know the person sorry.
;)
Any news?
We're starting to fade here, Two posts in 1 day.....Jeff where are you ?
Throw us a pic
Ron
:popcrn: Soon.
Quote from: Big Sugar on March 17, 2009, 09:18:41 PM
We're starting to fade here, Two posts in 1 day.....Jeff where are you ?
Throw us a pic
Ron
Hi Ron -- I apologize for the lack of posting, but I'm trying to keep the topic on subject. I was guilty of posting a lot of un-related crap and was clogging up my own story. For this to go 130 pages is ridiculous (in more than one way).
As for updates, I got a call from the shop last night. The entire car is now roughed out. Any remaining Orange you saw last is now history.
I can't believe I'm having such a hard time finding a passenger's rear quarter end trim cap though. I've been steered towards (2), so far, and both were broken. MINE'S broken, that's why I'm trying to replace it.. of all parts I figured this one would be the easiest.
Anyways, I won't have pictures until Saturday. The shop owner (who sends me the pictures) is away for two weeks. As the nice weather comes closer, I'm getting more and more anxious to see this car finished. It's going to be amazing when it's done.
:cheers:
Hey Jeff
I agree,with with the off topic posts it's tough to remember the story. Have you tried looking for a quarter extension over at PG classics or posting in the wanted section of Moparts ?
I'll keep an eye open for you.
Ron
Quote from: jb666 on March 18, 2009, 07:39:05 AM
Quote from: Big Sugar on March 17, 2009, 09:18:41 PM
We're starting to fade here, Two posts in 1 day.....Jeff where are you ?
Throw us a pic
Ron
Hi Ron -- I apologize for the lack of posting, but I'm trying to keep the topic on subject. I was guilty of posting a lot of un-related crap and was clogging up my own story. For this to go 130 pages is ridiculous (in more than one way).
As for updates, I got a call from the shop last night. The entire car is now roughed out. Any remaining Orange you saw last is now history.
I can't believe I'm having such a hard time finding a passenger's rear quarter end trim cap though. I've been steered towards (2), so far, and both were broken. MINE'S broken, that's why I'm trying to replace it.. of all parts I figured this one would be the easiest.
Anyways, I won't have pictures until Saturday. The shop owner (who sends me the pictures) is away for two weeks. As the nice weather comes closer, I'm getting more and more anxious to see this car finished. It's going to be amazing when it's done.
:cheers:
I can't get the pics on posts here at work but are you referring to the trim piece that bolts to the back of the qtr? If so I thought someone was making these.......AMD??
I think this is what you need?? B/E&A has them,
http://www.beaparts.com/list_items.aspx?body=b&cat=e (http://www.beaparts.com/list_items.aspx?body=b&cat=e)
This link takes you to the Exterior parts page. Click 'Next' 8 pages forward for the caps.
(http://www.beaparts.com/images/item_images/151-C.jpg)
I knew I saw them recently........ :2thumbs:
Quote from: dstryr on March 18, 2009, 01:52:00 PM
I think this is what you need?? B/E&A has them,
http://www.beaparts.com/list_items.aspx?body=b&cat=e (http://www.beaparts.com/list_items.aspx?body=b&cat=e)
This link takes you to the Exterior parts page. Click 'Next' 8 pages forward for the caps.
(http://www.beaparts.com/images/item_images/151-C.jpg)
EXCELLENT, thank you!!! I was told by two vendors that these weren't available, so I'm glad to see they are!!!!!!!!!!
Here they are
http://cgi.ebay.com/68-69-70-NEW-Mopar-Charger-Quarter-Panel-End-Caps_W0QQitemZ120391843387QQcmdZViewItemQQptZMotors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories?hash=item120391843387&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A2%7C65%3A1%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318
Quote from: runningman on March 18, 2009, 04:53:52 PM
Here they are
http://cgi.ebay.com/68-69-70-NEW-Mopar-Charger-Quarter-Panel-End-Caps_W0QQitemZ120391843387QQcmdZViewItemQQptZMotors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories?hash=item120391843387&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A2%7C65%3A1%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318
Good price, thank you!!
I've been holding off on hitting the BUY IT NOW because I only "need" the passenger's side.. So I was hoping one would come up off a donor vehicle (used).
If I don't hear anything by the weekend I'll order one.
:cheers: :cheers:
what the flock?????????????? its time for some new pictures....lol
Quote from: jb666 on March 18, 2009, 06:01:24 PM
Quote from: runningman on March 18, 2009, 04:53:52 PM
Here they are
http://cgi.ebay.com/68-69-70-NEW-Mopar-Charger-Quarter-Panel-End-Caps_W0QQitemZ120391843387QQcmdZViewItemQQptZMotors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories?hash=item120391843387&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A2%7C65%3A1%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318
Good price, thank you!!
I've been holding off on hitting the BUY IT NOW because I only "need" the passenger's side.. So I was hoping one would come up off a donor vehicle (used).
If I don't hear anything by the weekend I'll order one.
:cheers: :cheers:
Just be thankful that you don't have to add 38% to everything you have to buy from the US.Aussie dollars 63/66 but on the way up.
Nice work on the car Jeff.
cheers
Quote from: jb666 on March 18, 2009, 06:01:24 PM
Quote from: runningman on March 18, 2009, 04:53:52 PM
Here they are
http://cgi.ebay.com/68-69-70-NEW-Mopar-Charger-Quarter-Panel-End-Caps_W0QQitemZ120391843387QQcmdZViewItemQQptZMotors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories?hash=item120391843387&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A2%7C65%3A1%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318
Good price, thank you!!
I've been holding off on hitting the BUY IT NOW because I only "need" the passenger's side.. So I was hoping one would come up off a donor vehicle (used).
If I don't hear anything by the weekend I'll order one.
:cheers: :cheers:
Maybe someone on here needs a driver side? :scratchchin: If not I am sure you can get some decent $$ by selling the extra on ebay.
Quote from: jb666 on March 18, 2009, 06:01:24 PM
Quote from: runningman on March 18, 2009, 04:53:52 PM
Here they are
http://cgi.ebay.com/68-69-70-NEW-Mopar-Charger-Quarter-Panel-End-Caps_W0QQitemZ120391843387QQcmdZViewItemQQptZMotors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories?hash=item120391843387&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A2%7C65%3A1%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318
Good price, thank you!!
I've been holding off on hitting the BUY IT NOW because I only "need" the passenger's side.. So I was hoping one would come up off a donor vehicle (used).
If I don't hear anything by the weekend I'll order one.
:cheers: :cheers:
Jeff,
By the looks of the pics a few pages back, Your left 1/4 extention is missing its little "tail" on the bottom anyway?!?......Just get em both! I sure would. If it is infact missing,anyway.
what was this post about anyway...someone is redoing a general Lee :shruggy:
Quote from: AKcharger on March 19, 2009, 10:11:18 AM
what was this post about anyway...someone is redoing a general Lee :shruggy:
Yes and no.............I guess you didn't read any of the thread :shruggy:
Quote from: AKcharger on March 19, 2009, 10:11:18 AM
what was this post about anyway...someone is redoing a general Lee :shruggy:
Skip68 is Coy from the DOH TV show and
jb666 is Vance. they have gotten together to do a reunion and they are working on this car together but remotely because Coy is currently working at the gopher ranch in Nevada. :yesnod:
If the Reunion Tour brings them through Nebraska I'd like to get a couple of autographs. :2thumbs:
Quote from: PocketThunder on March 19, 2009, 12:40:31 PM
Quote from: AKcharger on March 19, 2009, 10:11:18 AM
what was this post about anyway...someone is redoing a general Lee :shruggy:
Skip68 is Coy from the DOH TV show and jb666 is Vance. they have gotten together to do a reunion and they are working on this car together but remotely because Coy is currently working at the gopher ranch in Nevada. :yesnod:
NO NO NO NO NEW DUKES NO NEW DUKES
Quote from: moparstuart on March 19, 2009, 01:42:21 PM
Quote from: PocketThunder on March 19, 2009, 12:40:31 PM
Quote from: AKcharger on March 19, 2009, 10:11:18 AM
what was this post about anyway...someone is redoing a general Lee :shruggy:
Skip68 is Coy from the DOH TV show and jb666 is Vance. they have gotten together to do a reunion and they are working on this car together but remotely because Coy is currently working at the gopher ranch in Nevada. :yesnod:
NO NO NO NO NEW DUKES NO NEW DUKES
YEA YEA YEA YEA NEW DUKES YEA New DUKES :yesnod:
Sorry I had to say that :smilielol:
NO NUKES!! NO NUKES!! NO NUKES!!
Oh wait.. :shortbus:
Quote from: dstryr on March 18, 2009, 01:52:00 PM
I think this is what you need?? B/E&A has them,
http://www.beaparts.com/list_items.aspx?body=b&cat=e (http://www.beaparts.com/list_items.aspx?body=b&cat=e)
This link takes you to the Exterior parts page. Click 'Next' 8 pages forward for the caps.
(http://www.beaparts.com/images/item_images/151-C.jpg)
Hey, thanks for the link, Mike at BEA is a great guy!! What a business, too! I had no idea so many parts were being made by these guys!! :cheers: :cheers:
The end caps are on their way! Someone else pointed out to me that it looks like the lower 1" of my current caps are BOTH trimmed, and he was right.. No need to replace just one, I'm going new :cheers: :cheers:
And, just talked to the shop and made plans for Saturday morning.. I guess things are coming along nicely, so I'll have some more pictures coming :popcrn:
I was just looking through some pictures, and it still shocks me how straight BK managed to make a car that was completely formed from Bondo :shruggy:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2037Medium.jpg)
Oh well, just obsessing while passing the time.
they get lots of practice. :smilielol:
If you rub something long enough it will get smooth. :icon_smile_big: Jeff, did you get my pm ?
Chuck, Vance is hotter :D
Quote from: jb666 on March 19, 2009, 07:41:13 PM
I was just looking through some pictures, and it still shocks me how straight BK managed to make a car that was completely formed from Bondo :shruggy:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2037Medium.jpg)
Oh well, just obsessing while passing the time.
You know, the hours they must have spent sanding that bondo, jeez! Half of that done the right way would have made a halfway decent car.
Problem is I'm sure they aren't capable.
Quote from: teamroth on March 19, 2009, 08:57:09 PM
Quote from: jb666 on March 19, 2009, 07:41:13 PM
I was just looking through some pictures, and it still shocks me how straight BK managed to make a car that was completely formed from Bondo :shruggy:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2037Medium.jpg)
Oh well, just obsessing while passing the time.
You know, the hours they must have spent sanding that bondo, jeez! Half of that done the right way would have made a halfway decent car.
Problem is I'm sure they aren't capable.
That is an understatement. Every weld they did do was a tack job. I have no idea how anybody at BK would manage to put a decent weld along the new quarter panel.
Quote from: 71ChallengeHer on March 19, 2009, 08:22:46 PM
Chuck, Vance is hotter :D
i dont see the resemblence?..??.. :icon_smile_big:
Quote from: PocketThunder on March 19, 2009, 10:58:28 PM
Quote from: 71ChallengeHer on March 19, 2009, 08:22:46 PM
Chuck, Vance is hotter :D
i dont see the resemblence?..??.. :icon_smile_big:
You can see the resemblance when Coy bends over. :D
Quote from: PocketThunder on March 19, 2009, 10:58:28 PM
Quote from: 71ChallengeHer on March 19, 2009, 08:22:46 PM
Chuck, Vance is hotter :D
i dont see the resemblence?..??.. :icon_smile_big:
They could have thier own "Where Are They Now" episode.
Quote from: PocketThunder on March 19, 2009, 10:58:28 PM
Quote from: 71ChallengeHer on March 19, 2009, 08:22:46 PM
Chuck, Vance is hotter :D
i dont see the resemblence?..??.. :icon_smile_big:
again please NO NEW DUKES they were just horrible , gave me nightmares as a kid
Quote from: moparstuart on March 20, 2009, 08:38:07 AM
Quote from: PocketThunder on March 19, 2009, 10:58:28 PM
Quote from: 71ChallengeHer on March 19, 2009, 08:22:46 PM
Chuck, Vance is hotter :D
i dont see the resemblence?..??.. :icon_smile_big:
again please NO NEW DUKES they were just horrible , gave me nightmares as a kid
I'm going to keep my comment to myself on that comment, But I will say this much, they are almost the reason the show kapt going back in the 1980's.
Let's keep the train on the tracks guys...
jb666, I have to offer my condolences and my congratulations for what you have done. I run a company here in RI, Auto Rust Technicians, we have been doing rust repair for 32 years. Its guys like HLPAG and BK that give the business a bad name, and that really blows, we all work way to hard to keep a good reputation in this business, for a couple of douche bags to do this, just pisses me off big time. :flame: :brickwall: :flame:
I was mystified when you cut off the rear quarters and didnt clean the rest of the car off at that point. I am not criticizing, just wondering why they didnt look further at the chassis shop. But as I typed that I realized, they are a chassis shop, not a body shop.
Its amazing what you have done with this car, and I cant wait to see you and it around this summer.
Hey, check out massmopar.com, there is a lotta local guys there you might enjoy getting to know.
2 things I need to go over here
1. One of my customers was Jeff, the guy that had BK build the 71 Hemi Cuda from a 73 Cuda. I know he spent LARGE $$ on that car. Imagine, they "built it" in a week or 3 !! :2thumbs: I think I can get in touch with him still if you need to, but I am unsure if he still has the car, he had it built with great intentions of building it and hitting it rich at one of the auctions. Last time I spoke with him he was trying to get the bidding up on flea-bay, and wanted me to put in a schill bid. $105k was the last number I recall hearing was spent to build it ( he might have been one of the cheap guys) and the e-bay bids were at $50K. This was several years ago when the "clone" cars were pulling good money, but who knows what this car looked like up close, I can only imagine :flame:
2. Get me an address of the body shop, I would like to donate a set of torques boxes for the car. I see they put sub frame connectors in it, and you have a 6 point cage in it. But, if your gonna drive it, and there is a chance you might apply some unintended acceleration, well, everything you can do to help keep her from twisting will be good. You must have blown some serious dough doing this car right, and I appreciate that tremendously. PM me, or call me, I will send a box to you asap, before they start putting paint on.
Dave
:cheers:
Quote from: AutoRust on March 20, 2009, 11:58:59 PM
jb666, I have to offer my condolences and my congratulations for what you have done. I run a company here in RI, Auto Rust Technicians, we have been doing rust repair for 32 years. Its guys like HLPAG and BK that give the business a bad name, and that really blows, we all work way to hard to keep a good reputation in this business, for a couple of douche bags to do this, just pisses me off big time. :flame: :brickwall: :flame:
I was mystified when you cut off the rear quarters and didnt clean the rest of the car off at that point. I am not criticizing, just wondering why they didnt look further at the chassis shop. But as I typed that I realized, they are a chassis shop, not a body shop.
Its amazing what you have done with this car, and I cant wait to see you and it around this summer.
Hey, check out massmopar.com, there is a lotta local guys there you might enjoy getting to know.
2 things I need to go over here
1. One of my customers was Jeff, the guy that had BK build the 71 Hemi Cuda from a 73 Cuda. I know he spent LARGE $$ on that car. Imagine, they "built it" in a week or 3 !! :2thumbs: I think I can get in touch with him still if you need to, but I am unsure if he still has the car, he had it built with great intentions of building it and hitting it rich at one of the auctions. Last time I spoke with him he was trying to get the bidding up on flea-bay, and wanted me to put in a schill bid. $105k was the last number I recall hearing was spent to build it ( he might have been one of the cheap guys) and the e-bay bids were at $50K. This was several years ago when the "clone" cars were pulling good money, but who knows what this car looked like up close, I can only imagine :flame:
2. Get me an address of the body shop, I would like to donate a set of torques boxes for the car. I see they put sub frame connectors in it, and you have a 6 point cage in it. But, if your gonna drive it, and there is a chance you might apply some unintended acceleration, well, everything you can do to help keep her from twisting will be good. You must have blown some serious dough doing this car right, and I appreciate that tremendously. PM me, or call me, I will send a box to you asap, before they start putting paint on.
Dave
:cheers:
Hi Dave - Thanks for all of your comments and support, I appreciate it!! I'm not sure how far down into RI you are, but if you're ever up this way (before paint) you're always welcome to see the progress.. But, you can count on seeing it in person, along with the mess that came with it.
I would LOVE to hear from the guy who bought the BK "Hemi Cuda". A car built in that time span must have looked incredible. Did you see it in person??
As for the torque boxes, that's very generous, thank you!! I'll shoot you a PM now!! :cheers:
And don't you worry, shops like Jon's and the shop it's at now have COMPLETELY restored my faith in good honest people/shops. Before this, I was so down on "restoration shops" it wasn't even funny. To spent this amount of $$ on a car and find out it's a rusty wreck, well, you can imagine... :brickwall:
I'll have to connect with you and get a list of shows/cruises you do this year. This car will get plenty of coverage.
Jeff
What Did I tell you Jeff, Dave @ Auto Rust Tech is a Stand up Mopar Guy.
Ron
Quote from: Big Sugar on March 21, 2009, 12:58:31 PM
What Did I tell you Jeff, Dave @ Auto Rust Tech is a Stand up Mopar Guy.
Ron
You weren't kidding. Some times with me I'm like a blind man peeing in the wind.. But it all comes back to me.
Thanks :cheers: :cheers:
I just got back from the shop --- I LOVE seeing the car come together like this. Running my hand down every body panel and feeling it perfectly smooth is awesome, but standing back and seeing perfect lines, clean metal and thinking about what the car will look like just does it for me!!
Pictures to follow...
Ok, first let me put a disclaimer out there. The body shop's owner is on vacation, so the main man at the shop has been trying to juggle several cars, the phones, walk-in traffic and other issues all week. Not to say he didn't get anything done, but he's definitely been a busy boy!! As you can imagine, my car was dropped on their lap with very little notice, so the fact that they've gotten done what they have in such a short time is awesome, and my hat (if I wore one) goes off to them!!
With that said, if I don't see some serious work by next week, I'll be blowing up someone's turbo van, and you know who you are :icon_smile_big:
First, I'm not sure if you can see it from this angle, but I'm VERY pleased with how natural the hood looks with no directional holes.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6195Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6189Medium.jpg)
Someone had asked me a week or two ago about the bars. They had asked if the bar was straight, or bent, so I figured I'd snap a shot at how the bar was set up to allow the door to close.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6193Medium.jpg)
On to the car.. The entire car is 'roughed out' and nice and smooth. Obviously not to the point of being sprayed with primer, but a lot closer than before!!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6173Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6171Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6174Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6176Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6179Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6180Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6184Medium.jpg)
Today while at the shop a couple of people stopped by.. It still amazes me that Ma Mopar has such a following.. People seeing this car in person (now) have nothing but positive things to say.. Now, when it was at Jon's, it was a different story because they saw THE REEALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLY ugly side of the car...
Anyways, onward and upward!!
This week's quest?? I'm looking for a passenger's seat. I have two driver's seats that came out of my car and I'd like to replace the passenger's seat with one that belongs there.
Lookin sweet brother. :cheers: :2thumbs:
Quote from: mikepmcs on March 21, 2009, 05:23:14 PM
Lookin sweet, :2thumbs: :cheers: brother.
Thanks, Mike.. You were one of the people who saw this in it's "ugly Betty" phases, so you can appreciate the stage that it's at now.. It's also a reason I'd really like to see you down here in person some time again.. I'll make you a deal, if you make the trip I'll buy you lunch :icon_smile_big: :cheers:
:scope: :scope: ............ :yesnod: nice ......... ..looking real good now ! :2thumbs:
I'll see if I can come down in the next couple weeks. It will be on a saturday for sure.
Mike
Quote from: mikepmcs on March 21, 2009, 06:46:22 PM
I'll see if I can come down in the next couple weeks. It will be on a saturday for sure.
Mike
Awesome, that's the only day I can make it to the shop, so that'd be perfect!!
Hey
Great to see it start to take shape again , Hats off to you for sticking with it ,and not passing the death trap it was on to some one else , look forward to seeing the finished deal .
K.c
Quote from: GL#10 on March 21, 2009, 08:00:46 PM
Hey
Great to see it start to take shape again , Hats off to you for sticking with it ,and not passing the death trap it was on to some one else , look forward to seeing the finished deal .
K.c
Thanks!! I couldn't imagine passing this on to someone else because of it's condition. I guess that's what separates me from people like Brian & BK Auto :cheers: :cheers:
What a transformation in such a relatively short period of time. Keep up the good work and my hats off to you for sticking with that mess to begin with. :cheers:
Nice to see those crisp lines on your car Jeff... :yesnod: Great job on the turn indicator delete for the hood. Looks like it came that way. :cheers:
Quote from: mopar73 on March 21, 2009, 08:46:51 PM
What a transformation in such a relatively short period of time. Keep up the good work and my hats off to you for sticking with that mess to begin with. :slap:
Quote from: captnsim on March 21, 2009, 10:11:34 PM
Nice to see those crisp lines on your car Jeff... :yesnod: Great job on the turn indicator delete for the hood. Looks like it came that way. :cheers:
Thanks guys!! :cheers: :cheers: It hasn't been easy, or cheap, but it's going to be worth it when it's done!!
why are you deleting the hood turn signal lights?
Jeff, the car looks bad-ass the way it looks right now! :yesnod:
:2thumbs: Nice ! :cheers:
Quote from: Back N Black on March 21, 2009, 10:39:40 PM
why are you deleting the hood turn signal lights?
Well, a few (small) reasons, actually.. I like the looks of the hood without them. It's one less thing to wire up (and go wrong), and it's one less thing I have to buy for the car.
It's funny, but the bill I have from BK to Brian when Brian "added" turn signals on the hood showed the parts being $400. That'll buy two of the most expensive kits out there.. But even at $200, it's not something I wanted to do :cheers: :cheers:
Quote from: 69bronzeT5 on March 22, 2009, 12:29:57 AM
Jeff, the car looks bad-ass the way it looks right now! :yesnod:
I think so too!! I love the lines.
AutoRust has some great replacement parts. Mopar Action uses them for several of their own cars.
Quote from: scatpack69 on March 22, 2009, 02:59:40 PM
AutoRust has some great replacement parts. Mopar Action uses them for several of their own cars.
Yessir, you are correct. Dave from Auto Rust Technicians has been posting on this thread periodically. Matter of fact, go back one page and you'll see a nice message from him. :cheers:
Hey Jeff, the car looks awesome! Love the wheel and tire combo, fill out the wheel wells perfectly. What size wheel,tire combo and backspacing if you don't mind me asking?
Quote from: Back N Black on March 22, 2009, 05:36:16 PM
Hey Jeff, the car looks awesome! Love the wheel and tire combo, fill out the wheel wells perfectly. What size wheel,tire combo and backspacing if you don't mind me asking?
Hi -- The front wheels are 8.5" with 235'5 and the rears are 9.5's with 285's. I like the combo, too, it fills the wheel wells really nicely!! I was used to running 315's/335's on the back of my Vette so I was afraid these would look tiny, but they don't!!
As for the offset, I'm sorry but I can't help you there.. They were on the car when I got them.
Between the tire/wheel combo and the stance of the car, it really LOOKED perfect before.. Not sure if you can tell, but from this picture (below) to the pictures above we cranked the nose up a bit. It was TOO low... (headers, oilpan, etc...)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2087Large.jpg)
Hi whats up jeff, I met you at " the body shop" sat morning I wouldn't normally search a charger site even though mopar love is all good, I prefer the squared up b bodies 65-67. that said I was amazed at this story and it reads like 140 pg horror story and it sucks you in. being a local guy who travels in similer circles Im sure well catch up again this summer at wallyworld, in the meantme it was nice to meet you and good luck with this project I know you have more than qualified technicians on it and it WILL be beautifull I know
Quote from: satellite plumah on March 22, 2009, 08:20:13 PM
Hi whats up jeff, I met you at " the body shop" sat morning I wouldn't normally search a charger site even though mopar love is all good, I prefer the squared up b bodies 65-67. that said I was amazed at this story and it reads like 140 pg horror story and it sucks you in. being a local guy who travels in similer circles Im sure well catch up again this summer at wallyworld, in the meantme it was nice to meet you and good luck with this project I know you have more than qualified technicians on it and it WILL be beautifull I know
Hey, thanks!! It was great meeting you this weekend, and I'm sure we'll see each other at the shows this year.
BTW, I got to see the famous 'toilet' Saturday. It was a highlight!! He demonstrated it's power by flushing my sneakers. :cheers:
Wow, after catching up with this story over the past couple of days I decided to go out and give my 66 charger a hug and promise her I'd never put her through such misery! Reminds me of the phrase "do it right do it light, do it wrong do it long".
Quote from: moparheater on March 22, 2009, 10:57:51 PM
Wow, after catching up with this story over the past couple of days I decided to go out and give my 66 charger a hug and promise her I'd never put her through such misery! Reminds me of the phrase "do it right do it light, do it wrong do it long".
I hear you there... And remember that...
And I'll remember something, as well... If I EVER go to look at another car... I'LL BRING SOMEONE :lol:
hi jeff, for 20.00$ I can show how to get your kicks back!! imagine being so impressed with a domestic toilet and then going to work and ripping into a hemi car without so much as a blink. that man is MY hero!! plus he's a badass painter/artist :2thumbs:
Quote from: satellite plumah on March 23, 2009, 07:32:56 PM
hi jeff, for 20.00$ I can show how to get your kicks back!! imagine being so impressed with a domestic toilet and then going to work and ripping into a hemi car without so much as a blink. that man is MY hero!! plus he's a badass painter/artist :2thumbs:
Yeah, seriously. It baffles me that he can do the work he's capable of without breaking a sweat.. I'd be like a med student watching his first operation .. PASSING OUT when the whiz wheel comes out..
I've seen some work come out of that shop that made my head spin.. Crazy :2thumbs: :coolgleamA: :2thumbs:
And it's ok, they weren't worth $20. I just ran cause he asked for my jacket next. :eek2:
Quote from: AutoRust on March 20, 2009, 11:58:59 PM
jb666, I have to offer my condolences and my congratulations for what you have done. I run a company here in RI, Auto Rust Technicians, we have been doing rust repair for 32 years. Its guys like HLPAG and BK that give the business a bad name, and that really blows, we all work way to hard to keep a good reputation in this business, for a couple of douche bags to do this, just pisses me off big time. :flame: :brickwall: :flame:
I was mystified when you cut off the rear quarters and didnt clean the rest of the car off at that point. I am not criticizing, just wondering why they didnt look further at the chassis shop. But as I typed that I realized, they are a chassis shop, not a body shop.
Its amazing what you have done with this car, and I cant wait to see you and it around this summer.
Hey, check out massmopar.com, there is a lotta local guys there you might enjoy getting to know.
2 things I need to go over here
1. One of my customers was Jeff, the guy that had BK build the 71 Hemi Cuda from a 73 Cuda. I know he spent LARGE $$ on that car. Imagine, they "built it" in a week or 3 !! :2thumbs: I think I can get in touch with him still if you need to, but I am unsure if he still has the car, he had it built with great intentions of building it and hitting it rich at one of the auctions. Last time I spoke with him he was trying to get the bidding up on flea-bay, and wanted me to put in a schill bid. $105k was the last number I recall hearing was spent to build it ( he might have been one of the cheap guys) and the e-bay bids were at $50K. This was several years ago when the "clone" cars were pulling good money, but who knows what this car looked like up close, I can only imagine :flame:
2. Get me an address of the body shop, I would like to donate a set of torques boxes for the car. I see they put sub frame connectors in it, and you have a 6 point cage in it. But, if your gonna drive it, and there is a chance you might apply some unintended acceleration, well, everything you can do to help keep her from twisting will be good. You must have blown some serious dough doing this car right, and I appreciate that tremendously. PM me, or call me, I will send a box to you asap, before they start putting paint on.
Dave
:cheers:
Wow Dave, you certainly don't waste any time!! I got the box this morning with the new torque boxes!! My first impression, upon opening the box, is that they are VERY nicely made. Excellent quality and I can definitely see why these would strengthen a car!! I'll have them at the shop in the next day or two where they'll be welded on before any paint work is done.
Thank you!!! :cheers: :cheers: I'll make sure to get pictures before/after the install for reference!!!
:2thumbs: :2thumbs:
Quote from: jb666 on March 24, 2009, 11:47:46 AM
Quote from: AutoRust on March 20, 2009, 11:58:59 PM
jb666, I have to offer my condolences and my congratulations for what you have done. I run a company here in RI, Auto Rust Technicians, we have been doing rust repair for 32 years. Its guys like HLPAG and BK that give the business a bad name, and that really blows, we all work way to hard to keep a good reputation in this business, for a couple of douche bags to do this, just pisses me off big time. :flame: :brickwall: :flame:
I was mystified when you cut off the rear quarters and didnt clean the rest of the car off at that point. I am not criticizing, just wondering why they didnt look further at the chassis shop. But as I typed that I realized, they are a chassis shop, not a body shop.
Its amazing what you have done with this car, and I cant wait to see you and it around this summer.
Hey, check out massmopar.com, there is a lotta local guys there you might enjoy getting to know.
2 things I need to go over here
1. One of my customers was Jeff, the guy that had BK build the 71 Hemi Cuda from a 73 Cuda. I know he spent LARGE $$ on that car. Imagine, they "built it" in a week or 3 !! :2thumbs: I think I can get in touch with him still if you need to, but I am unsure if he still has the car, he had it built with great intentions of building it and hitting it rich at one of the auctions. Last time I spoke with him he was trying to get the bidding up on flea-bay, and wanted me to put in a schill bid. $105k was the last number I recall hearing was spent to build it ( he might have been one of the cheap guys) and the e-bay bids were at $50K. This was several years ago when the "clone" cars were pulling good money, but who knows what this car looked like up close, I can only imagine :flame:
2. Get me an address of the body shop, I would like to donate a set of torques boxes for the car. I see they put sub frame connectors in it, and you have a 6 point cage in it. But, if your gonna drive it, and there is a chance you might apply some unintended acceleration, well, everything you can do to help keep her from twisting will be good. You must have blown some serious dough doing this car right, and I appreciate that tremendously. PM me, or call me, I will send a box to you asap, before they start putting paint on.
Dave
:cheers:
Wow Dave, you certainly don't waste any time!! I got the box this morning with the new torque boxes!! My first impression, upon opening the box, is that they are VERY nicely made. Excellent quality and I can definitely see why these would strengthen a car!! I'll have them at the shop in the next day or two where they'll be welded on before any paint work is done.
Thank you!!! :cheers: :cheers: I'll make sure to get pictures before/after the install for reference!!!
:2thumbs: :2thumbs:
That is an AWESOME gesture!!! :notworthy:
Nicely Done Dave !
Jeff that GL should roll nice and tight now.
Cheers
Ron
Awesome! Helping out a guy when he's been beaten down by this crook is great PR and a hell of a nice thing to do!
Cheers Dave :cheers:
Quote from: Big Sugar on March 24, 2009, 03:20:56 PM
Nicely Done Dave !
Jeff that GL should roll nice and tight now.
Cheers
Ron
Quote from: teamroth on March 24, 2009, 03:27:39 PM
Awesome! Helping out a guy when he's been beaten down by this crook is great PR and a hell of a nice thing to do!
Cheers Dave :cheers:
:2thumbs: :coolgleamA: awesome thing to do :2thumbs:
wow that was pretty awesome!
trav
Hey Jeff, do you have the BK Automotive ebay adds saved ? They no longer show up. If you do, can you post them ? Talk to you later. I'm going back underground. :scope: :naughty: Chuck..............
Quote from: tan top on March 24, 2009, 04:03:13 PM
Quote from: Big Sugar on March 24, 2009, 03:20:56 PM
Nicely Done Dave !
Jeff that GL should roll nice and tight now.
Cheers
Ron
Quote from: teamroth on March 24, 2009, 03:27:39 PM
Awesome! Helping out a guy when he's been beaten down by this crook is great PR and a hell of a nice thing to do!
Cheers Dave :cheers:
:2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
:2thumbs: :coolgleamA: awesome thing to do :2thumbs:
Quote from: skip68 on March 24, 2009, 06:33:12 PM
Hey Jeff, do you have the BK Automotive ebay adds saved ? They no longer show up. If you do, can you post them ? Talk to you later. I'm going back underground. :scope: :naughty: Chuck..............
Yes I do. I have their entire site and all of their EBay ads saved and backed up.
Quote from: runningman on March 24, 2009, 06:57:14 PM
Quote from: tan top on March 24, 2009, 04:03:13 PM
Quote from: Big Sugar on March 24, 2009, 03:20:56 PM
Nicely Done Dave !
Jeff that GL should roll nice and tight now.
Cheers
Ron
Quote from: teamroth on March 24, 2009, 03:27:39 PM
Awesome! Helping out a guy when he's been beaten down by this crook is great PR and a hell of a nice thing to do!
Cheers Dave :cheers:
:2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
:2thumbs: :coolgleamA: awesome thing to do :2thumbs:
I agree -- These will be a great addition to the General!!
Quote from: dstryr on March 18, 2009, 01:52:00 PM
I think this is what you need?? B/E&A has them,
http://www.beaparts.com/list_items.aspx?body=b&cat=e (http://www.beaparts.com/list_items.aspx?body=b&cat=e)
This link takes you to the Exterior parts page. Click 'Next' 8 pages forward for the caps.
(http://www.beaparts.com/images/item_images/151-C.jpg)
I also came home to find these on my doorstep tonight.. REALLY nice aftermarket part!!
I'll pull these AND the torque boxes out of the boxes tomorrow and post some pictures! :cheers: :cheers:
FYI, this what what I told Jeff in a PM
I am not giving you the torque boxes in order to make additional sales, (not that it hurts), nor to be in a magazine (we have been in plenty) but because I just think you have gotten screwed so many ways along the way here, it would just be the right thing to do, show you there are people in the hobby that are not always about the money. We do this stuff here at Auto Rust because we are Mopar enthusiasts, always have been, always will be. We love cars actually, any kind, any shape. We support the sport when we can, and try to give back to the community that has supported us since 1977.
Dave
Dave,
Since you are giving back......
Here's an easy one. Your avatar, full size pic please! :D
v/r
Mike
OK, :cheers:
Just for fun of course, not hijacking a very important thread !!
Quote from: AutoRust on March 25, 2009, 02:57:51 PM
OK, :cheers:
Just for fun of course, not hijacking a very important thread !!
:scope: ......... :yesnod:
Quote from: AutoRust on March 25, 2009, 01:47:16 PM
FYI, this what what I told Jeff in a PM
I am not giving you the torque boxes in order to make additional sales, (not that it hurts), nor to be in a magazine (we have been in plenty) but because I just think you have gotten screwed so many ways along the way here, it would just be the right thing to do, show you there are people in the hobby that are not always about the money. We do this stuff here at Auto Rust because we are Mopar enthusiasts, always have been, always will be. We love cars actually, any kind, any shape. We support the sport when we can, and try to give back to the community that has supported us since 1977.
Dave
Dave, I didn't mean it in a bad way. I meant it is great what you have done, showing that there are still real people out there to do business with. When I'm in the market, you will surely be getting some of my business. Cheers :cheers:
Ok, well first (and I'm not taking anything away from AutoRust by posting these first, they were easier and smaller to bring into my light box :lol: )
Here are my new rear quarter trim caps.. Check out what's ON the car. I never knew (until someone here told me) that mine were missing the lower section.. That's no lie :smilielol: Just ANOTHER HACKED CREATION from BK Auto!!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2588Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2623Medium.jpg)
And here's what they SHOULD look like!!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6230Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6235Medium.jpg)
Ok, and here are the torque boxes... First let me say that there was more shredded paper inside this box than the average family of mice will ever see :lol:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6238Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6239Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6240Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6241Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6242Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6243Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6244Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6245Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6246Medium.jpg)
Hey NICE parts, now if you can only find someone to weld them in. LOL
Nice Work huh !
Ron
I'm sure the boys there or Jon can handle that. Speaking of welds, those are some nice ones going on right there. Stack a dimes baby, stack a dimes!
:2thumbs:
Quote from: TA70455 on March 25, 2009, 06:17:13 PM
Hey NICE parts, now if you can only find someone to weld them in. LOL
Well I sure won't have the clown that did any weld work on THIS car do it for me....
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2109Large.jpg)
Quote from: Big Sugar on March 25, 2009, 07:18:17 PM
Nice Work huh !
Ron
Yessir!
Quote from: mikepmcs on March 25, 2009, 07:18:45 PM
I'm sure the boys there or Jon can handle that. Speaking of welds, those are some nice ones going on right there. Stack a dimes baby, stack a dimes!
:2thumbs:
After the amount of time Jon has in on this car, he's asked me to officially call him COOTER from now on. :cheers:
Auto rust technicians boxes are junk just like their frame caps and frame connectors. Send them back before you wield them. I bought them and I know. I half way wielded them and decided they were poorly designed and fit horrible. The gauge metal is twice as thick as OEM and wielding them to thinner gauge frame and rockers is not easy. They are also not made right and need to be trimmed, hacked, and bent to meet the floor, frame, and rocker . The brake line hole needs to be enlarged I believe. This was a year ago I tried them, maybe they improved them since then. So I bought the resto rick ones and they are identical to original hemi torque boxes. I cant beleive the quality of them. They are a 100% perfect fit. Correct gauge and bends. Most importantly they just fit right in place and didn't need to be modified. http://www.restorick.com/
Nice plug...jerkoff
Quote from: jb666 on March 25, 2009, 07:40:42 PM
Quote from: TA70455 on March 25, 2009, 06:17:13 PM
Hey NICE parts, now if you can only find someone to weld them in. LOL
Well I sure won't have the clown that did any weld work on THIS car do it for me....
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2109Large.jpg)
And to think this car started as a 70 Charger?????
I talked to the shop tonight for a little while, and so far this week there's been some decent progress made!!
Plus, to my surprise, he just finished putting some color out on a pc of metal.. We're tossing a couple of ideas back and forth, so Saturday's visit should be pretty interesting.. I'm just not going near his toilet this time.
Quote from: jb666 on March 25, 2009, 08:33:18 PM
I talked to the shop tonight for a little while, and so far this week there's been some decent progress made!!
Plus, to my surprise, he just finished putting some color out on a pc of metal.. We're tossing a couple of ideas back and forth, so Saturday's visit should be pretty interesting.. I'm just not going near his toilet this time.
Why are you tire of those swirly's?? :nana:
Quote from: 70-500-SE-EXPORT on March 25, 2009, 08:01:09 PM
Auto rust technicians boxes are junk just like their frame caps and frame connectors. Send them back before you wield them. I bought them and I know. I half way wielded them and decided they were poorly designed and fit horrible. The gauge metal is twice as thick as OEM and wielding them to thinner gauge frame and rockers is not easy. They are also not made right and need to be trimmed, hacked, and bent to meet the floor, frame, and rocker . The brake line hole needs to be enlarged I believe. This was a year ago I tried them, maybe they improved them since then. So I bought the resto rick ones and they are identical to original hemi torque boxes. I cant beleive the quality of them. They are a 100% perfect fit. Correct gauge and bends. Most importantly they just fit right in place and didn't need to be modified. http://www.restorick.com/
Hey Bud..
Relax, Did you consider contacting Auto Rust and possibly discussing your concerns there ? as opposed to venting your frustrations here ? I'm sure Auto Rust would have worked with you to help resolve some of the fitment issues.
Ron
Of course not. He'd rather just come bash them here.
Quote from: Big Sugar on March 25, 2009, 08:43:15 PM
Quote from: 70-500-SE-EXPORT on March 25, 2009, 08:01:09 PM
Auto rust technicians boxes are junk just like their frame caps and frame connectors. Send them back before you wield them. I bought them and I know. I half way wielded them and decided they were poorly designed and fit horrible. The gauge metal is twice as thick as OEM and wielding them to thinner gauge frame and rockers is not easy. They are also not made right and need to be trimmed, hacked, and bent to meet the floor, frame, and rocker . The brake line hole needs to be enlarged I believe. This was a year ago I tried them, maybe they improved them since then. So I bought the resto rick ones and they are identical to original hemi torque boxes. I cant beleive the quality of them. They are a 100% perfect fit. Correct gauge and bends. Most importantly they just fit right in place and didn't need to be modified. http://www.restorick.com/
Hey Bud..
Relax, Did you consider contacting Auto Rust and possibly discussing your concerns there ? as opposed to venting your frustrations here ? I'm sure Auto Rust would have worked with you to help resolve some of the fitment issues.
Ron
I bought a 70 satellite 2 years ago that their "technicians" installed new quarters and trunk. They made the trunk floor with FLAT sheet metal and it was installed over rust in some places. The b body trunks are available so I have no idea why they did this. They slathered it with thick black paint with a paint roller so its hard to see what they did. The quarters they did had NO plug welds on the outer wheelhouse. They were wielded from the backside directly to the wheelhouse by blobs of wield, not to the quarter wheel lip where they are supposed to be plug wielded. There was 7/16 bondo over top of quarter and then more black paint with a roller. The rear crossmember was cut off and a new one was installed using BOLTS not wields! I had to cut the entire back of the car off and start from scratch. If they did not ever touch the car than it would have been much easier for me to restore it. Drilling spot welds is easier than finding and cutting wields under paint. Undoing their work took me 4 months. So I have a bone to pick with them.
I gave them a second chance after and bought that car and bought their boxes and they are more for a race car and not a restoration. Factory stamped them and they have special contours and bends and must be correct gauge so they can be easily bent if needed to make them fit snug against frame for wielding. His are flat and laser cut, not stamped like OE and the thickness is twice what it should be. So Tweaking and bending them to fit is extremely hard. There was 1/2 inch gaps on all the places it was supposed to be right up aginst apron, inner rocker and floor. I know he's going to say my frame is rusted and sagging and I have no idea what Im doing so I didn't bother calling them. My charger has never been hit or had any frame repairs or needed any. I threw them out and bought resto ricks and there is a reason they are twice the price. They fit perfect and worked great with US car tool frame connectors. Those needed trimming also, but not that much. The ones autorust sells are just square tubing they cut to length.
QuoteI've been following this thread since it started. Im commenting for the first time. I think its incredible you are restoring that car after you were ripped off. I thank you for taking the time to take pictures and post them and update us on the progress. I was also the victim of a general lee scam I bought off ebay from a guy in Troutman NC. It was a junkyard heap that had 150 lb sof fiberglass and bondo. I found out the roof was bondo under flag because 10 lb chunk of bondo fell out of headliner and hit me in head when I drove it home from transport station. It was advertised as perfectly running and driving car. It actually had ONE lugnut holding the wheels on. He also stole parts off it after he took pictures for ebay. I needed a new carb and remote gas tank to drive it home. It had 1/2 turn play in steering wheel and basically no brakes. It turned out to have 1" of bondo on both sides of the car. The quarters, roof, decklid, fenders, hood, doors, dutchman panel , and rear valence were basically created by 25% rust 25% steel and 50% bondo/fiberglass. It had about 5 gallons of bondo. No part of the car was salvageable. He put a piece of steel over the rust hole called a floor and bolted the seat to that and covered the rusted out floors with road tar then a new carpet.
It was 2006 when I bought it for 14,000. I was 20 years old. I spend ALL my money and borrowed some.. I also was just finishing chemo because I have cancer in thyroid that spread to liver, and back. I was in hospital for almost 2 years before I bought car. So for 3 years I have now spent another $10,000 and slowly fixing the hacked up general lee from hell. It has caused me more stress than my cancer and back pain. I still need to have it painted and another $6k in parts to complete car. I dont know if I can ever get the car done. Im doing the metal work myself with my fathers help. The guy who sold me the car is a scum bag to take advantage of someone like that. This guy must feel like a real man because he took away my dream of having a general lee. I wanted to sue him but I have so many medical problems at the time I could not deal with suing someone. I tons of pictures to show the rusted out bondo bucket painted orange with decals. If I get time I will post them.
Either your full off sh*t there, or your full of it here? Which is it?
Did you buy this
satellite the same time you bought the
General Lee?
Quote21 Discussion Boards / Charger Discussion / Re: Ripped off on ebay by guy in Mass on: January 14, 2009, 10:05:12 PM
Please, I don't anyone to start s*it with this guy. Please do not bust his balls and email him. I don't want any more problems with this guy. Im over it now, it was 2 1/2 months ago. I learned a lesson, and so did he. What happened, is I sent my son to his pit where he works, (a firestone tire shop) he was supposed to meet him at his house, he called him on the way and told him to throw the mapquest directions out the window and meet him in another town he had no directions to, he got lost for 2 hours and finally got to the biggest slum ever, Brockton, Ma. My son picked it up and did not know the severity of the damage. When he got home 7 hours later I seen the damage I was very upset. It took a entire day for him to drive there and back and the drive was horrible. I did not want to take a day off work to drive back there to try to get $$ back from this sleezeball. He had my cash and he was not giving it back for that rusted broken mess he sold me. I don't know how this clown sleeps at night, he actually thought the buyer of the grille was not going to see the damage? idiot..
The point is be careful what you buy on ebay. Look VERY close at pictures and see if seller is taking pics of item of areas that are in nice shape and not showing damaged areas.
So in 1 post your 23 years old, the next post you have a son that drives. WOW.
Now, should we get into your 69 SE/RT Charger with the "rare" option?
You should think before you post.
No need to hijack a thread like this. You want to start a new post, go ahead, but I suspect most savy Mopar guys on here will call out the bullsh*t as it is, all bullsh*t.
:cheers:
QuoteI bought a 70 satellite 2 years ago that their "technicians" installed new quarters and trunk. They made the trunk floor with FLAT sheet metal and it was installed over rust in some places. The b body trunks are available so I have no idea why they did this. They slathered it with thick black paint with a paint roller so its hard to see what they did. The quarters they did had NO plug welds on the outer wheelhouse. They were wielded from the backside directly to the wheelhouse by blobs of wield, not to the quarter wheel lip where they are supposed to be plug wielded. There was 7/16 bondo over top of quarter and then more black paint with a roller. The rear crossmember was cut off and a new one was installed using BOLTS not wields! I had to cut the entire back of the car off and start from scratch. If they did not ever touch the car than it would have been much easier for me to restore it. Drilling spot welds is easier than finding and cutting wields under paint. Undoing their work took me 4 months. So I have a bone to pick with them.
Just to get something straight here, then I am done with you.
It has been a while since I have had a 70 Plymouth satelitte in here, so I have no idea what this phantom car is your refering to, but, if a customer comes to me and says " hey, I have no money, can you patch the trunk cheap and quick" guess what I do, patch the trunk cheap and quick. Is that a problem for you? I know at 23, after suffering from cancer, you must have oodles of cash to play with, so I know you dont understand someone elses problems, but I would wonder after all that time in the hospital, 2 years right? it must be real easy for you to be drilling out spot welds on a car.
So let me get it all straight here, you bought a car that we might have done a cheap patch for someone on, and had a " bone to pick" with us, you came to my shop, or bought a set of torque boxes for $250, then decided after 1/2 way of "weild them in" (your words), you cant form the metal cause its to thick, so you cut them out, and buy a stamped set, and they fall into place. Amazing, you never called, you never questioned, you never asked if perhaps you got a set for a different car by mistake,you just assumed we would throw you under the bus and accuse you of being an idiot with a rusty car? Must be nice to throw money away.
Yea, OK.
They dont fit up to the floor? OK, funny thing is, I have sold, Oh, maybe 2500+ sets of B-body torque boxes, and your the only one that got a set that were so far off you had to "throw" them away.
I could go on and on, but I think I have raised enough questions already about your credibility, or lack thereof
As far as I am concerned, You have none, not at 23 with a son that drives after you were in the hospital for 2 years before you were 20. Was you fathering children when you were 9?
Thanks
Done
Jeff, sorry this thread was hijacked, perhaps Steve might need to do a clean up in here?
Ok, go through all my posts and find useless irrelevant information. The first post was written by my son and the second was by me. Who cares? I have a satellite and a charger. The 70 satellite you did was a butchered mess. All the work needed to be re-done. The rear crossmember was BOLTED to the rear rails. The trunk floor was made with flat scraps of steel. The quarter was installed by a amateur with the outer lip of wheelhouse cut off and just wielded to quarter. The quarter had tons of bondo in it. The trunk extensions were made with two pieces of flat steel welded together. Then everything was covered in black paint with a roller. Sorry, Its not BS its the truth.
Nope, I aint buying anything you say.
The old "someone used my account" , yea, OK.
Useless and irrelevant old posts?
I dont think so, it is your credibility, plain and simple.
We dont do half azz work like that, been here 32 years,
never bolted a rear crossmember on a b-body in place. Never.
I wonder if your confusing your General Lee that was butchered
I suspect you might have never even bought a set of torque boxes from us, just trying to rain on someones parade.
I think your full of sh*t, plain and simple
I have nothing more to say
I don't want to hijack this thread but this should be the be the end of this. Maybe a customer with no money went to you and needed a quick cheap patch job in 2003 (I think that's when the car was there) That's understandable. I bought the car from him, and had to do all the work again because the work was a cheap patch job.. Maybe it was all he could afford and that's what he wanted. Regardless of how much money he had to dump into a rusty car you don't cut off a rear crossmember that was wielded in and bolt one on. That's a safety issue. I spent many months and lots of $$ putting a new trunk, crossmember, extensions, and quarters on the car and spending alot more money than I should have. I don't see why I needed to do all that work when It was at a shop just done. So naturally I will be upset at the shop that did the work before I got the car. I know a employee's do most work and maybe you did not oversee this. At this we've said all that needs to be said and no more should be said. I know that not the way your company does all the cars. If it was, there is no way you would be in business for that many years.
Quote from: 70-500-SE-EXPORT on March 25, 2009, 10:44:57 PM
I don't want to hijack this thread but this should be the be the end of this. Maybe a customer with no money went to you and needed a quick cheap patch job in 2003 (I think that's when the car was there) That's understandable. I bought the car from him, and had to do all the work again because the work was a cheap patch job.. Maybe it was all he could afford and that's what he wanted. Regardless of how much money he had to dump into a rusty car you don't cut off a rear crossmember that was wielded in and bolt one on. That's a safety issue. I spent many months and lots of $$ putting a new trunk, crossmember, extensions, and quarters on the car and spending alot more money than I should have. I don't see why I needed to do all that work when It was at a shop just done. So naturally I will be upset at the shop that did the work before I got the car. I know a employee's do most work and maybe you did not oversee this. At this we've said all that needs to be said and no more should be said. I know that not the way your company does all the cars. If it was, there is no way you would be in business for that many years.
I dont want this thread hi-jacked but i took a visit to auto rust...they do AMAZING work. Dave showed me around and all i saw was top notch stuff.
I have never bought anything from Auto-Rust, but I have heard ALOT of great things about them, hell, they were featured in plenty of magazines, the most notable one I can think of is the Safe-T-Cap on the '72 Chally in Mopar Muscle.. Now, you come on here and start talking shit, let's see some proof! Stop hijacking this post and Screw off! If you have something personal, SAY IT TO THEM, there is no need to bring your shit to the table! Let's try and get back on topic now!
I have a pair of the torsion mount frame repair pieces in my '71. The shop that installed them had no problems with them, they fit well and welded up nicely.
Quote from: 70-500-SE-EXPORT on March 25, 2009, 08:01:09 PM
Auto rust technicians boxes are junk just like their frame caps and frame connectors. Send them back before you wield them. I bought them and I know. I half way wielded them and decided they were poorly designed and fit horrible. The gauge metal is twice as thick as OEM and wielding them to thinner gauge frame and rockers is not easy. They are also not made right and need to be trimmed, hacked, and bent to meet the floor, frame, and rocker . The brake line hole needs to be enlarged I believe. This was a year ago I tried them, maybe they improved them since then. So I bought the resto rick ones and they are identical to original hemi torque boxes. I cant beleive the quality of them. They are a 100% perfect fit. Correct gauge and bends. Most importantly they just fit right in place and didn't need to be modified. http://www.restorick.com/
This TOOl should just take a long walk off a short pier! By the way the definition of wielding (tr.v. wield·ed, wield·ing, wields
1. To handle (a weapon or tool, for example) with skill and ease.)
Quote from: 70-500-SE-EXPORT on March 25, 2009, 10:44:57 PM
Maybe a customer with no money went to you and needed a quick cheap patch job in 2003
Was his name Brian? ;)
Jeff,
the car is coming along quite nicely. Those pieces from Auto Rust look to be top notch to me. :2thumbs:
:brickwall: What the hell is going on here ? I've been real sick for a few days and am still ill and come back to this. :icon_smile_angry: Jeff and I have alot of our time into this and I don't want it to stray one inch from BK Automotive. We have many eyes watching this and I want us to conduct ourselves accordingly. Thank you, Chuck...............
Quote from: BIRD67 on March 26, 2009, 02:15:54 PM
I have never bought anything from Auto-Rust, but I have heard ALOT of great things about them, hell, they were featured in plenty of magazines, the most notable one I can think of is the Safe-T-Cap on the '72 Chally in Mopar Muscle.. Now, you come on here and start talking shit, let's see some proof! Stop hijacking this post and Screw off! If you have something personal, SAY IT TO THEM, there is no need to bring your shit to the table! Let's try and get back on topic now!
Hey birdman, why don't you send him a PM if you want to rip him a new one. I agree with skip68, this is going way out to left feild.
Guys, I again apologize for this thread being hijacked. I am amazed he decided to rip my company here. I know it was foolish of me to get into it here with him, but just could not let him trash me like that without defending my company.I wish he started a new thread if he wanted to get some silly debate going on. I have no problem going word for word, sentence to sentence with him, but understand this isnt the place.
Sorry Jeff, Sorry Chuck, I know I started this when I put my offer out to Jeff, But I didn't expect the replies to get out of hand.
Dave
My hope is Mr.Mod can clean all the nonsense out
No sweat!! Tomorrow when I head to the shop I'll take some nice pictures... I'll also put the torque boxes in place and show everyone here how they look!!
Thanks again!!
Quote from: jb666 on March 27, 2009, 02:08:24 PM
No sweat!! Tomorrow when I head to the shop I'll take some nice pictures... I'll also put the torque boxes in place and show everyone here how they look!!
Thanks again!!
Hi Jeff, I just had a thought:
With all the photos you are taking and uploading for this forum, are you resizing and rotating them individually?
If so, may I recommend that you try out Faststone Image Viewer http://www.faststone.org/FSViewerDetail.htm (http://www.faststone.org/FSViewerDetail.htm).
It is an excellent program which can resize, rename and convert groups of photos at once saving you lots of time.
I've been using it for over a year and can thoroughly recommend it. It is free to use and only 4mb to download and along with the ability to batch process images (which has saved me so many hours) it is also an excellent image viewer and organizer.
Hope this didn't sound too much like an advert, just thought it might be helpful :laugh:
--Matt
Quote from: Dark Screen on March 28, 2009, 05:07:16 AM
Quote from: jb666 on March 27, 2009, 02:08:24 PM
No sweat!! Tomorrow when I head to the shop I'll take some nice pictures... I'll also put the torque boxes in place and show everyone here how they look!!
Thanks again!!
Hi Jeff, I just had a thought:
With all the photos you are taking and uploading for this forum, are you resizing and rotating them individually?
If so, may I recommend that you try out Faststone Image Viewer http://www.faststone.org/FSViewerDetail.htm (http://www.faststone.org/FSViewerDetail.htm).
It is an excellent program which can resize, rename and convert groups of photos at once saving you lots of time.
I've been using it for over a year and can thoroughly recommend it. It is free to use and only 4mb to download and along with the ability to batch process images (which has saved me so many hours) it is also an excellent image viewer and organizer.
Hope this didn't sound too much like an advert, just thought it might be helpful :laugh:
--Matt
Matt -- Thanks for the suggestion, I will download/install that now!
I just got back from the shop and am very pleased with the car, as usual. This week's pictures won't look that much "different" as most of the things done aren't something a camera would capture. But the car is one step closer to primer, and once it's in primer, it'll be brought over to Jon's shop on the flat bed where the torque boxes will be welded on and the push bar will be re-installed (REMOVABLE, of course, but not obvious).
On to the torque boxes.. The guy from the shop was impressed with the quality and thought they'd be a great addition to my car. I didn't get any pictures of these in place because the car's not on a lift, so it'd be a bit difficult to hold them up and snap a shot. It'll be a couple of weeks on those, but I'm looking forwar to it!
The rear quarter trim pcs have me wondering, the bottom of the trim pc (that my old pcs didn't have) curve in to the body. On your cars, do these TOUCH the metal or do they leave a slight gap?? I wanted to see a couple of cars to compare..
:popcrn:
Here's what I'm referring to. If it's not supposed to be this way it'll have to be modified.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6257Medium.jpg)
They fit flush against the car. :scratchchin: Just dab some bondo in there and you will never know it was wrong. :nana:
Anyways, on to some pictures.. First, I was siked today.. The man behind the curtain adjusted my front ride height for me. It was not only too low up front, but it was almost 2" lower on the passenger's side than the driver's side :o
So now it's not only level, but it's a safe driving height (for the road conditions around here). I like the looks of it this way, and I don't have to worry about ripping my oil pan off!!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6261Medium.jpg)
This shot's great, it shows the new height but it also shows how crisp the body lines are going to be!!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6263Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6264Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6266Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6267Medium.jpg)
The small (only remaining) hole in the lower rocker panel was cut out and new metal put in it's place, and the driver's door is pretty much done and ready for primer! He discovered that inside the door there's supposed to be a bracket at the bottom that holds the corner window in place. This bracket is in the passenger's door but missing from the driver's door. :shruggy: All that's left is a small strand of rust where it once was... Nothing he can't work with though.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6268Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6269Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6270Medium.jpg)
And these body lines, I love them!!! :drool5:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6274Medium.jpg)
And check out this tractor I shot a picture of at the shop next to my guys:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6276Medium.jpg)
:drool5: :drool5:
And this was at Jon's today.. I LOVE Dusters. This is an awesome car, and go figure, another Orange Mopar from Texas!!!!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6277Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6278Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6279Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6289Medium.jpg)
And finally, the 340 that moves this thing down the 1/4 in 10 seconds!!! :o
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6286Medium.jpg)
Quote from: skip68 on March 28, 2009, 02:10:01 PM
They fit flush against the car. :scratchchin: Just dab some bondo in there and you will never know it was wrong. :nana:
What's odd is the metal on the back that these pcs are supposed to mate against is original. That was the one area that didn't need replacing!! So it's definitely the manufacturing of this part.
Can you post a picture of yours? Or someone here? :popcrn:
Quote from: jb666 on March 28, 2009, 02:20:27 PM
And this was at Jon's today.. I LOVE Dusters. This is an awesome car, and go figure, another Orange Mopar from Texas!!!!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6277Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6278Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6279Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6289Medium.jpg)
And finally, the 340 that moves this thing down the 1/4 in 10 seconds!!! :o
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6286Medium.jpg)
You must not like that car then. That's a Demon. :nana:
Car looks fabulaous man. Kudos for you for all you have done to it, but why smooth over the rear valance corners after all that work, and get those wheels off there. They are gonna be a pain to get clean now. :icon_smile_wink: :icon_smile_big:
Gotta love the rubber on those quarters :2thumbs:
Quote from: charger01 on March 28, 2009, 08:18:15 PM
Car looks fabulaous man. Kudos for you for all you have done to it, but why smooth over the rear valance corners after all that work, and get those wheels off there. They are gonna be a pain to get clean now. :icon_smile_wink: :icon_smile_big:
Actually, we aren't smoothing them over. Initially I wanted it that way, so I had the body line(s) filled in. Just today we put the plan in motion to restore that body line so people wouldn't "assume" it was filled over with mud.. I actually LIKE the looks of it smooth, but I've already heard several people mention it, so I figured it was a sign of things to come :lol:
As for the wheels, they are coming off. The only thing on them right now is dust. :cheers:
:2thumbs: Good deal. Glad to hear it. if it makes you happy though, leave em. just my :Twocents:
Quote from: charger01 on March 28, 2009, 09:01:21 PM
:2thumbs: Good deal. Glad to hear it. if it makes you happy though, leave em. just my :Twocents:
Nah, after talking with the man with the turbo van about the lines he agreed with me.. I'll be getting a lot of comments of "oh this wasn't done right, it's filled in with Bondo" , when in reality, I had them filled in with metal... They'll be perfect lines though...
A few weeks ago..
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2490Medium.jpg)
Even though it was only a couple of months ago, this seems like it was YEARS ago!!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/IMG_2535.jpg)
Quote from: FLG on March 28, 2009, 08:33:38 PM
Gotta love the rubber on those quarters :2thumbs:
Yeah, they were covered. The car really was awesome.. I'm partial to those..
It dawned on me today.. Although I've owned over 40 GM products, I've always LOVED old Mopars.. Dusters, Challengers, Cudas, Chargers, Roadrunners, etc..... Not sure why I never owned one :slap:
Iam sure everyone else would agree. I know those corner pieces are alot of work to get right. If I notice a car with those valance corners done correctly, it just helps to reassure of the rest of the body work done correct imo. Smoothed over corners are just a big red flag, even though alot of guys do it because they like the look. I made sure my body guy kept the lines there. Just a pet peeve I guess. Regardless, your car is gonna be one sweet ride when done.
Quote from: charger01 on March 28, 2009, 09:26:14 PM
Iam sure everyone else would agree. I know those corner pieces are alot of work to get right. If I notice a car with those valance corners done correctly, it just helps to reassure of the rest of the body work done correct imo. Smoothed over corners are just a big red flag, even though alot of guys do it because they like the look. I made sure my body guy kept the lines there. Just a pet peeve I guess. Regardless, your car is gonna be one sweet ride when done.
Thanks, I appreciate it. I'm still learning here, too.. Things I might "like" won't go over big with some.. Hell , I know that's the case since I'll have a big flag on my roof :lol:
Jeff... Car is looking great. Looks like it will be in primer real soon. Here is a pic of my trim fitment. Hope this helps. If you need another angle let me know. :cheers:
Thanks!!! It sucks, but for $150 youd expect these to fit right.
Jeff, Here is a couple shots of one laying flat on the stud's. I measured the left and right pieces and they where the same. Maybe this will help you tell if it's the parts or your car. If its the trim they are pot metal and can be reshaped with a little heat. Just make sure who ever does this knows what they are doing or you could have a puddle of slag. :cheers:
Time to turn up the heat on Texas. :yesnod: Stay tuned.
Quote from: skip68 on March 30, 2009, 02:41:15 PM
Time to turn up the heat on Texas. :yesnod: Stay tuned.
Like sands through the hourglass.....and as a matter of fact it is warming up quite nicely out there my dad tells me. But I think he meant something else.
In the meantime, is BK still restoring cars or shut down?
I don't remember if I said this before but I called up Texas Toy Box asking about the R4 or R6 440 4-Speed Charger for sale and they wanted $76,600.
Them BK and HLPAG :brickwall: Turn the heat up
Quote from: 69DodgeCharger on March 30, 2009, 06:28:43 PM
Quote from: skip68 on March 30, 2009, 02:41:15 PM
Time to turn up the heat on Texas. :yesnod: Stay tuned.
Like sands through the hourglass.....and as a matter of fact it is warming up quite nicely out there my dad tells me. But I think he meant something else.
Must do!!! :yesnod:
Things are looking good.
Just wondering how wide those front tyres are initially I thought the front on these wouldn't handle too much tyre but GL looks sweet.
Nice of BK to keep slipping the slipper in {so to speak} with little rusty bits popping up every now and then.Soon you'll rid the GL of his tardiness.
cheers from Australia
Quote from: d/ur/t on March 30, 2009, 07:45:33 PM
Things are looking good.
Just wondering how wide those front tyres are initially I thought the front on these wouldn't handle too much tyre but GL looks sweet.
Nice of BK to keep slipping the slipper in {so to speak} with little rusty bits popping up every now and then.Soon you'll rid the GL of his tardiness.
cheers from Australia
Thanks!! :cheers: You're right, I keep telling myself the same thing.. "pretty soon" :lol:
Quote from: Back N Black on March 30, 2009, 07:13:01 PM
In the meantime, is BK still restoring cars or shut down?
You know, that's a good question.. I suppose that's a time sensitive question? :icon_smile_big:
I can't wait to see it finished. I wish I could bring my Charger up there for the bodywork.
Jeff, next time you go to the shop can you get a few good pics of the steering box ? Thank's. :cheers:
How's things going Jeff?? Did you figure out why your rear trim fitment was off? :cheers:
Quote from: captnsim on April 02, 2009, 10:44:35 AM
How's things going Jeff?? Did you figure out why your rear trim fitment was off? :cheers:
Yeah, thanks to your pictures we discovered it was a poorly manufactured part. Good thing for $150 you get something that FITS. Thanks B&E. :cheers: (if you only distribute it, I apologize), but the measurements on mine don't match yours.
Onward and upward, they'll be made to fit. :cheers:
Quote from: skip68 on April 01, 2009, 12:59:12 AM
Jeff, next time you go to the shop can you get a few good pics of the steering box ? Thank's. :cheers:
Talked to the shop today. This is an (unpainted) stock steering box in my car. Another BK LIE.
Quote from: scatpack69 on March 31, 2009, 08:34:51 AM
I can't wait to see it finished. I wish I could bring my Charger up there for the bodywork.
Seriously, I agree. These guys are amazing.
And for those that PM'd me (and messaged here) my wheels are coming off before the car is primed. Right now it's nothing more than dust on them.
Did you get in touch with B & E??
Quote from: FLG on April 02, 2009, 12:08:51 PM
Did you get in touch with B & E??
No I did not.
Give em a ring and find out whats up with the parts :scratchchin:
I will. I remember when I ordered these the guy answering the phones had a great personality and seemed very eager to do business.. Hopefully they are responsive.
Quote from: jb666 on April 02, 2009, 12:17:59 PM
I will. I remember when I ordered these the guy answering the phones had a great personality and seemed very eager to do business.. Hopefully they are responsive.
I would ring Mike @ BEA and tell him your problem, he will send you another set without any hesitation as he prides himself on his return policy.
I had a trim piece that did not fit well and he sent another out immediately and I am in Australia so the service is great, the replacement trim fitted alot better.
Where are the new pictures. :shruggy:
Saturday's are my picture days.....
Quote from: skip68 on April 03, 2009, 09:52:15 AM
Where are the new pictures. :shruggy:
Saturdays are always picture day. Are you new around here? :icon_smile_big:
I'm not sure if today will be picture day after all... Apparently they had a couple of other projects to wrap up this week and didn't get much done on my car... We'll see :shruggy:
:scratchchin: i'm just curious,.. how much money have you spent so far?... :shruggy:
Dave :slap: :lol:
well?.. :shruggy:
I haven't tallied it up.. but even if I were to, I wouldn't post it up here quite yet. Don't you worry, all the nitty gritty details will be made public once the lawsuit hits the ground running. It's enough $$ to make me regret starting this and not just buying an '09 Challenger I can tell you that much.. But I'd get bored with that pretty quick and would be modifying the Hell out of it.
:cheers: :cheers:
Ok, here are a few shots I took today while at the shop.. First, I understood at the beginning of the week that they were under some pressure to get the 'ice cream truck' painted, and that it was priority this week.. Now that it's rolling they'll be jamming on my car, so I know things won't grind to a halt. Don't panic!!
Here's the ice cream truck that'll actually be used AS AN ICE CREAM TRUCK at car shows this season!! It'll be really cool seeing it out there!!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6329Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6330Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6331Medium.jpg)
And here it is, in pieces, in the spray booth:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6335Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6336Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6337Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6338Medium.jpg)
Now.. On to my car. One good thing is, after doing a couple of color panels we've settled on the exact color for my car.. It's Hemi Orange with a little 'twist'. Nothing too outrageous but it'll definitely be MY CAR. The door numbers and roof graphics are being painted on and won't just be a flat "decal looking" paint, you'll DEFINITELY know these are painted on.. It'll be VERY cool!!
Here are a couple of 'different stages' of my car in this same position in front of the booth...
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2422Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2460Medium.jpg)
And now...
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6333Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6332Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6339Medium.jpg)
Just a random shot of a REALLY cool old Pontiac with a TURN TABLE under the dash.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6340Medium.jpg)
It's funny, but scrolling back and seeing these shots really makes me sick...What a pig this car was...
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/genrallee019Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/genrallee018Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/genrallee008Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2465Medium.jpg)
:eek2:
;) Looking good Jeff. :cheers: I wish I could see a sneak preview of the color. :yesnod: Hint, hint. You know I can keep a quiet.
Quote from: skip68 on April 04, 2009, 03:36:36 PM
;) Looking good Jeff. :cheers: I wish I could see a sneak preview of the color. :yesnod: Hint, hint. You know I can keep a quiet.
I tried taking a few pictures of the metal, but the pictures did the real thing no justice.. It's awesome and will never leave anyone wondering "is this his car??" without jumping the shark and going too far overboard.
You know, Jeff... I'd have probably been in jail by now and BK would be ground temperature. You are definitely a better man than I am.
Quote from: Tilar on April 04, 2009, 05:11:52 PM
You know, Jeff... I'd have probably been in jail by now and BK would be ground temperature. You are definitely a better man than I am.
Let's not go that far , I've definitely had some thoughts that would get me in big trouble, but for once in my life I'm trying to do the RIGHT thing here and not let my actions get me in trouble.. I'm going to give Johnny Law a workout in this case...
I will be honest with you though.. If I knew 1/100 of what I know now about this car I NEEEEEEEEEEEEVVVVVVVVVVVVER would have driven to Maryland. I still sit here looking at some of these pictures and think about what a scum bag Brian is. He's nothing more than a cowering pu**y that I KNOW is reading this thinking "Wow am I lucky!!"... But Brian, I have a message for you pal, your luck is about to run out.. Ever been served before? Let me know how that feels :cheers:
I also got word today that BK has sent out two more emails to people on "the list" talking about recent vehicles they've finished.. Apparently I'm off "the list" because I didn't get them, but I will.
Soon Jeff, soon. :yesnod: Just stay focused on the car and making the right moves and you will be fine. Make sure to let the attorney's see those papers I sent you and make copies of them. Or, scan them in your puter. :2thumbs:
Quote from: skip68 on April 04, 2009, 07:07:40 PM
Soon Jeff, soon. :yesnod: Just stay focused on the car and making the right moves and you will be fine. Make sure to let the attorney's see those papers I sent you and make copies of them. Or, scan them in your puter. :2thumbs:
Oh, I will. I have E-Copies of everything.. Every word.. Every Document... Every Image..
:popcrn: :popcrn: :popcrn: :popcrn: :popcrn: :popcrn: Can't wait to see what Johnny Law has in store for BK
Joe Friday and Perry Mason are on the case. :icon_smile_big:
Dum-Da-Dum-Dum
One thing I forgot to mention though out all of this is that Jason from Gunslinger has been an excellent resource for me. He's easy to work with, I have my parts VERY QUICKLY, and he's beat everyone's prices.. So it's long over due (since I bought all of my new AMD metal from him) to give credit!!
Jason Kubinski, The Gunslinger Dude
WWW.Pistolgrip727.com
gunslinger727@earthlink.net 775-750-0988
Gunslinger Automotive Products, Inc
11518 Highway 10 N
Foster, Ky 41043
If you guys are looking for an honest vendor that actually cares about the parts he pushes, give him a call. :cheers:
Quote from: jb666 on April 05, 2009, 11:06:31 AM
One thing I forgot to mention though out all of this is that Jason from Gunslinger has been an excellent resource for me. He's easy to work with, I have my parts VERY QUICKLY, and he's beat everyone's prices.. So it's long over due (since I bought all of my new AMD metal from him) to give credit!!
Jason Kubinski, The Gunslinger Dude
WWW.Pistolgrip727.com
gunslinger727@earthlink.net 775-750-0988
Gunslinger Automotive Products, Inc
11518 Highway 10 N
Foster, Ky 41043
If you guys are looking for an honest vendor that actually cares about the parts he pushes, give him a call. :cheers:
I second that!! Jason is GREAT!!!
Quote from: 68r/t on April 02, 2009, 06:33:01 PM
Quote from: jb666 on April 02, 2009, 12:17:59 PM
I will. I remember when I ordered these the guy answering the phones had a great personality and seemed very eager to do business.. Hopefully they are responsive.
I would ring Mike @ BEA and tell him your problem, he will send you another set without any hesitation as he prides himself on his return policy.
I had a trim piece that did not fit well and he sent another out immediately and I am in Australia so the service is great, the replacement trim fitted alot better.
I spoke with Mike just now.. He said out of all of the parts from the run he (is still selling) there hasn't been any complaints.. Originally he thought it was because I had new AMD quarters on the car, but I explained that the quarters didn't go that far back, and that it was original metal back there...
But either way, the rear bumper pretty much covers this area, so what ever the shop can't finesse and cover up will be hidden and I'm not going to worry about it.
That said though, I'd have been a bit more aggressive on my search for a USED set if I knew these would fit like this.. Live and learn
:cheers:
BK AUTO BANNED FROM CARDOMAIN. Remember, I made a call a few weeks ago to Cardomain in Seattle and made them aware of what these idiots are doing and gave them the link to this site. Looks like they want nothing to do with Thomas Schubert or BK Automotive. :naughty: :whistling: More to come later. Chuck..........
Quote from: jb666 on April 06, 2009, 11:36:33 AM
Quote from: 68r/t on April 02, 2009, 06:33:01 PM
Quote from: jb666 on April 02, 2009, 12:17:59 PM
I will. I remember when I ordered these the guy answering the phones had a great personality and seemed very eager to do business.. Hopefully they are responsive.
I would ring Mike @ BEA and tell him your problem, he will send you another set without any hesitation as he prides himself on his return policy.
I had a trim piece that did not fit well and he sent another out immediately and I am in Australia so the service is great, the replacement trim fitted alot better.
I spoke with Mike just now.. He said out of all of the parts from the run he (is still selling) there hasn't been any complaints.. Originally he thought it was because I had new AMD quarters on the car, but I explained that the quarters didn't go that far back, and that it was original metal back there...
But either way, the rear bumper pretty much covers this area, so what ever the shop can't finesse and cover up will be hidden and I'm not going to worry about it.
That said though, I'd have been a bit more aggressive on my search for a USED set if I knew these would fit like this.. Live and learn
:cheers:
Sorry about the ebay link :'(
Quote from: runningman on April 06, 2009, 11:56:12 AM
Quote from: jb666 on April 06, 2009, 11:36:33 AM
Quote from: 68r/t on April 02, 2009, 06:33:01 PM
Quote from: jb666 on April 02, 2009, 12:17:59 PM
I will. I remember when I ordered these the guy answering the phones had a great personality and seemed very eager to do business.. Hopefully they are responsive.
I would ring Mike @ BEA and tell him your problem, he will send you another set without any hesitation as he prides himself on his return policy.
I had a trim piece that did not fit well and he sent another out immediately and I am in Australia so the service is great, the replacement trim fitted alot better.
I spoke with Mike just now.. He said out of all of the parts from the run he (is still selling) there hasn't been any complaints.. Originally he thought it was because I had new AMD quarters on the car, but I explained that the quarters didn't go that far back, and that it was original metal back there...
But either way, the rear bumper pretty much covers this area, so what ever the shop can't finesse and cover up will be hidden and I'm not going to worry about it.
That said though, I'd have been a bit more aggressive on my search for a USED set if I knew these would fit like this.. Live and learn
:cheers:
Sorry about the ebay link :'(
What do you mean? Which EBay link? Either way, I'm happy, so it's no big deal. Most of the area I'm talking about here is covered with the rear bumper, so it'll be fine!!
Good work, Chuck!! I saw they were off CarDomain also!!!!!!!!!!!! ONE SMALL VICTORY FOR MAN KIND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I put that link up for those trim pieces on ebay. It seems like it is always something, is he going to send a new set??
Quote from: runningman on April 06, 2009, 12:15:53 PM
I put that link up for those trim pieces on ebay. It seems like it is always something, is he going to send a new set??
No. He said it must be my metal, not his pcs.. Even though I said we had an OEM set off another car that fit like gloves..
Like I said though, it's not worth arguing over.. Live and learn :cheers:
The guys at my shop can make them work, with a little bit of TLC.
Quote from: skip68 on April 06, 2009, 11:46:13 AM
BK AUTO BANNED FROM CARDOMAIN. Remember, I made a call a few weeks ago to Cardomain in Seattle and made them aware of what these idiots are doing and gave them the link to this site. Looks like they want nothing to do with Thomas Schubert or BK Automotive. :naughty: :whistling: More to come later. Chuck..........
hahaha Bravo! :notworthy:
Quote from: jb666 on April 06, 2009, 12:21:24 PM
Quote from: runningman on April 06, 2009, 12:15:53 PM
I put that link up for those trim pieces on ebay. It seems like it is always something, is he going to send a new set??
QuoteNo. He said it must be my metal, not his pcs.. Even though I said we had an OEM set off another car that fit like gloves..
.
Before you can go ahead and fix a problem you first have to admit there is a problem.
Apart from another hick up all is looking good.
I'll be sure to find good used before trying to fit these.
cheers
Quote from: d/ur/t on April 06, 2009, 07:27:50 PM
Quote from: jb666 on April 06, 2009, 12:21:24 PM
Quote from: runningman on April 06, 2009, 12:15:53 PM
I put that link up for those trim pieces on ebay. It seems like it is always something, is he going to send a new set??
QuoteNo. He said it must be my metal, not his pcs.. Even though I said we had an OEM set off another car that fit like gloves..
.
Before you can go ahead and fix a problem you first have to admit there is a problem.
Apart from another hick up all is looking good.
I'll be sure to find good used before trying to fit these.
cheers
Yeah, I'd have to agree with that.. :cheers: I can't recommend them (parts or BEA) after this.. When I was talking to Mike today all he kept saying is "Hundreds have been sold and no one's complained, then again, people might not be that picky", and "Just put them on, no one will be looking down there! It'll be blocked by the bumper"....
Oh well :lol:
Quote from: skip68 on April 06, 2009, 11:46:13 AM
BK AUTO BANNED FROM CARDOMAIN. Remember, I made a call a few weeks ago to Cardomain in Seattle and made them aware of what these idiots are doing and gave them the link to this site. Looks like they want nothing to do with Thomas Schubert or BK Automotive. :naughty: :whistling: More to come later. Chuck..........
Great job Chucky! :cheers:
Quote from: jb666 on April 06, 2009, 07:53:48 PM
Quote from: d/ur/t on April 06, 2009, 07:27:50 PM
Quote from: jb666 on April 06, 2009, 12:21:24 PM
Quote from: runningman on April 06, 2009, 12:15:53 PM
I put that link up for those trim pieces on ebay. It seems like it is always something, is he going to send a new set??
QuoteNo. He said it must be my metal, not his pcs.. Even though I said we had an OEM set off another car that fit like gloves..
.
Before you can go ahead and fix a problem you first have to admit there is a problem.
Apart from another hick up all is looking good.
I'll be sure to find good used before trying to fit these.
cheers
Yeah, I'd have to agree with that.. :cheers: I can't recommend them (parts or BEA) after this.. When I was talking to Mike today all he kept saying is "Hundreds have been sold and no one's complained, then again, people might not be that picky", and "Just put them on, no one will be looking down there! It'll be blocked by the bumper"....
Oh well :lol:
Sorry to hear that, I have never had any problems with them, but they have to fit right because the bumper does not cover it.
PERFECT picture, and that's exactly what I was looking for!! So you're right, the bumper DOES cover it.
I'm discussing this with Mike now.. He's apologized and offered a refund, but what good does that do me now? Said over 200 sets from this mold have been sold with no problems. I have no idea about the other 199 but these sure don't fit! You can actually see in the PICTURE that yours 'curve in' more :brickwall:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6257Medium.jpg)
maybe its because you changed the quarters and there are some diffrences? try it on another car..
Quote from: jb666 on April 07, 2009, 06:26:45 AM
PERFECT picture, and that's exactly what I was looking for!! So you're right, the bumper DOES cover it.
I'm discussing this with Mike now.. He's apologized and offered a refund, but what good does that do me now? Said over 200 sets from this mold have been sold with no problems. I have no idea about the other 199 but these sure don't fit! You can actually see in the PICTURE that yours 'curve in' more :brickwall:
Theres always one complainer....went through the same deal with his headrests :brickwall:
Quote from: autodynamics on April 07, 2009, 09:06:11 AM
maybe its because you changed the quarters and there are some diffrences? try it on another car..
We did.. The new quarters didn't go back that far. The area these trim pcs mount to are original metal (part of the car that WASN'T TRASHED!!). We tried TWO OEM sets on my car and both mated up perfectly. This set wouldn't.... Process of elimination... Like I said though, no big deal, they can be modified to work. These guys can do anything...
140 pages, but I finally made it :lol: Looks like your doing a darn good job getting that Charger all fixed up :2thumbs:
Typical of most aftermarket parts, I have to confront those same type of problems constantly, On new cars & old Restorations. I hate aftermarket. And that's why NOS will cost a fortune. They fit much better (usually). LEON.
Quote from: DakotaGuy on April 07, 2009, 02:36:16 PM
140 pages, but I finally made it :lol: Looks like your doing a darn good job getting that Charger all fixed up :2thumbs:
Good man!! Thanks :cheers:
Quote from: hemi-hampton on April 07, 2009, 03:46:41 PM
Typical of most aftermarket parts, I have to confront those same type of problems constantly, On new cars & old Restorations. I hate aftermarket. And that's why NOS will cost a fortune. They fit much better (usually). LEON.
I know, you're right.. That's why I'm not freaking out about it.. It's a $150 lesson. It's just a shame, because so far out of everything I've bought to rebuild this car these are the only parts that had a real fit problem.
Quote from: jb666 on April 07, 2009, 06:26:45 AM
PERFECT picture, and that's exactly what I was looking for!! So you're right, the bumper DOES cover it.
I'm discussing this with Mike now.. He's apologized and offered a refund, but what good does that do me now? Said over 200 sets from this mold have been sold with no problems. I have no idea about the other 199 but these sure don't fit! You can actually see in the PICTURE that yours 'curve in' more :brickwall:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6257Medium.jpg)
Heck, even my original ones fit the curve perfict. They look nothing like these does.
But I think with alittle heat they would ben back to the right curve though.
Quote from: MoparManJim on April 07, 2009, 05:17:31 PM
Quote from: jb666 on April 07, 2009, 06:26:45 AM
PERFECT picture, and that's exactly what I was looking for!! So you're right, the bumper DOES cover it.
I'm discussing this with Mike now.. He's apologized and offered a refund, but what good does that do me now? Said over 200 sets from this mold have been sold with no problems. I have no idea about the other 199 but these sure don't fit! You can actually see in the PICTURE that yours 'curve in' more :brickwall:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6257Medium.jpg)
Heck, even my original ones fit the curve perfict. They look nothing like these does.
But I think with alittle heat they would ben back to the right curve though.
This type of metal is extremely sensitive and will break very easily.. The problem with that is it can't be welded after that so I'd be stuck with a $150 paperweight.
Return them and keep trying to find some used ones. I do think that they will break unless you are very lucky with the bending. The question is if you want that paperweight or not?
Quote from: mopar73 on April 07, 2009, 08:42:21 PM
Return them and keep trying to find some used ones. I do think that they will break unless you are very lucky with the bending. The question is if you want that paperweight or not?
Well, another job well done by the shop.. They took these (soft) white metal eyebrow trim pcs and modified them to fit. They said it was "no problem" and not to worry about it, they look perfect!!
:cheers: :cheers:
:woohoo: Something is going right and working out. :cheers: Did you get those papers I sent ? Chuck.........
I did!! Yesterday! I sent you a pm about them.. They are all filled out and ready to fly back to them. Thank you!
Something IS going right. Every time I think there's going to be a problem, this shop makes it go away.. They really are amazing, and if I wasn't respecting their privacy not to be flooded with calls and emails I'd be plugging the Hell out of their shop...
Instead, I steer all the prank calls and nonsense related calls to Jon's shop. :lol: BTW, Chuck, Jon's having a cookout at his shop in a couple of weeks, he said to make sure I invite you. What do you serve at a tube chassis shop cookout? Why, tube steak of course :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
Yah, I will be there as long as Jon washes his hands before touching the meat. :smilielol:
Update ! ! ! I was just told today by Houston PD that BK Automotive has pulled down their signs. ;) This is all I can say at this point. Chuck..............
NO KIDDING?????????????
WOW!! I'm glad this isn't April 1st, I wouldn't believe you.
This is GREAT NEWS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If they are gone (and not just moving) this is HUGE news!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I'll call you at a good time for us to talk Jeff. There is more that I will talk to you about. :cheers:
Good stuff, Chuck... Good stuff!! :cheers: :cheers: :icon_smile_cool:
I won't be happy until we can all sing along though.........
DING DONG THE WITCH IS DEAD, THE WITCH IS DEAD, THE WITCH IS DEAD. DING DONG THE WICKED WITCH IS DEAD...
And the fat lady ain't singin' yet.
Soon. :yesnod: Jeff, never mind. I'm calling you again now. :icon_smile_big:
Hey Chuck. You need to do your Roscoe impression. "Good news! Good news! kew kew" :icon_smile_big:
That would be awesome. Hopefully someone will get pics of an empty shop and maybe even people getting led out in handcuffs. :yesnod:
Good work guys. :cheers: And remember. This is a street fight, so by all means kick 'em when their down. :2thumbs:
Funny, the BK website is still active and Thomas still answers the phone...
Neal
Here you go Jeff, just for you. " :loser: " This is our inside joke, sorry guys.
Isn't there ever going to be a decent person who's going to sell a General Lee that WON'T crap out on you BEFORE you even start it up? :'(
Quote from: Charger666 on April 08, 2009, 08:05:07 PM
Isn't there ever going to be a decent person who's going to sell a General Lee that WON'T crap out on you BEFORE you even start it up? :'(
That's the question of the year.. I'm guessing not..
Then again, I shouldn't say that, I've never heard anything bad about Smith Bros. :cheers:
ARE YOU STILL FINDING PROBLEMS WITH THAT CAR???
It seems that you really only hear about the bad ones and not the good ones. There are lots of great shops out there that will do a great job for the money. BK has lied to everyone that reads his site. From the paint booth (that they don't have) to the quality of work they do. Most shops are open to the public and those are the ones that are going to be the best bet. With real up to date LLC's. And pick a shop that has a Lic. and permits unlike BK Auto. And insurance / bonds. :yesnod: One thing I should say is that even a good shop is going to have complaints. There is always that one customer that you just can't seem to please no matter how hard you try. :rotz: Much like this thread. We have had thousands and thousands of readers and they all know something is going on. BUT, we have at least 2 or 3 (BK is one) that do not have the ability to understand and see what is going on. :rotz: So, there you have it.
Quote from: skip68 on April 08, 2009, 08:28:02 PM
It seems that you really only hear about the bad ones and not the good ones. There are lots of great shops out there that will do a great job for the money. BK has lied to everyone that reads his site. From the paint booth (that they don't have) to the quality of work they do. Most shops are open to the public and those are the ones that are going to be the best bet. With real up to date LLC's. And pick a shop that has a Lic. and permits unlike BK Auto. And insurance / bonds.
You're absolutely right. Just sucks how you never hear about all of the good jobs that are done :( ... it would give a little hope and motivation to everyone, knowing that some people still CAN be trusted, and not just try to cash out on Charger lovers.
Quote from: richard pettys 73 on April 08, 2009, 08:09:18 PM
ARE YOU STILL FINDING PROBLEMS WITH THAT CAR???
No. Things are looking good. The only 'problem' , if you chose to call it that, is the issue we had with the trim caps from BEA. Other than that, all is good :2thumbs:
I hear you there. :cheers:
Far as BK still being there. This is just the start of his downhill spiral. :yesnod: Of course he is still there, he is just trying to make it appear that he has cleaned up his act for the authorities by taking down the signs and saying that he does not sell, paint or restore cars. ::) I'm sure that the website will be gone soon or seriously changed soon. ;) And that's ok BK, because we have it all saved. ;) :icon_smile_big: And of course we have nothing to do with any of this. ;) :2thumbs:
And here we are again, on the eve of another picture day... I'm excited to go to the shop tomorrow, should be a few new things to post tomorrow afternoon!!
This is a pretty cool source.. It shows past searches and displays archived link information on BK
http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.bkauto.net/ (http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.bkauto.net/)
This one's classic... "Who doesn't know the dules of hazzard!"
http://web.archive.org/web/20041015143348/www.bkauto.net/GeneralLee.htm
It's funny, but check through some of the older links.. This site has captured things BK posted years ago.
Find a specific link, and plug it into the box. The search engine doesn't do well with animation type pages like you're seeing. Here's an example:
What it is now: http://www.bkauto.net/0106-81.htm
What it was in 2006: http://web.archive.org/web/20050814023809/www.bkauto.net/0106-81.htm
There's tons of stuff missing, but what was captured might help.
Wow, back in 04 their main page was so cool :lol:
http://web.archive.org/web/20050516075036/bkauto.net/mainpage.swf
Quote from: jb666 on April 10, 2009, 02:44:29 PM
"Who doesn't know the dules of hazzard!"
What's that, the English version of the show?? :lol:
There's the another bondo king car hiding behind the bike, just before going in for paint...oh, that's right, no paint booth, they paint them wherever they happen to be sitting. :brickwall:
(http://www.bkauto.net/media/images/chopa19.gif)
:smilielol: I know, no paint booth, no lifts, no high dollar plasma cutters or welders. This is a top notch shop. :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: How many guys here have their own lifts ? LOT's :smilielol: So, where has all the money gone that these guy's have made ? I've even seen a used paint booth for sale that was nice for $2500. Even a $149. paint job at those cheapo places is done in a booth. :smilielol: But wait, Bk does NOT paint cars, :scratchchin: but they do :scratchchin: But they say they don't :scratchchin: but they say they do, :scratchchin: but they only paint fenders, :scratchchin: but they have pictures of cars being painted, :scratchchin: but they say fresh out of the booth that they don't have, :scratchchin: then they say they don't....... :shruggy: The lies and Babababullsh%& ends with us Tommy boy. ;)
Quote from: skip68 on April 08, 2009, 08:28:02 PM
It seems that you really only hear about the bad ones and not the good ones. There are lots of great shops out there that will do a great job for the money. BK has lied to everyone that reads his site. From the paint booth (that they don't have) to the quality of work they do. Most shops are open to the public and those are the ones that are going to be the best bet. With real up to date LLC's. And pick a shop that has a Lic. and permits unlike BK Auto. And insurance / bonds. :yesnod: One thing I should say is that even a good shop is going to have complaints. There is always that one customer that you just can't seem to please no matter how hard you try. :rotz: Much like this thread. We have had thousands and thousands of readers and they all know something is going on. BUT, we have at least 2 or 3 (BK is one) that do not have the ability to understand and see what is going on. :rotz: So, there you have it.
This is a major problem in this industry, no doubt. Our company has been around 32 years now. How do we survive? Were honest, and we pay our share. I spend many many many thousands every year on taxes, fees, permits, insurances, more taxes, advertising, even more taxes, we pay our bills early, we take care of our employees, and we stay open. We HAVE to charge the kinds of amounts, because we have to pay all these bills. I dont mind paying these bills, everyone needs there money, someone has to help pay for the guys on the frontlines. Profits NOT a bad word. If you dont make a profit and put it away, you dont survive the rainy days. And there are rainy days. And money solves problems. If I screw something up, I have to pay. Money works. Offer someone $50-500+ whatever,and an apoligy, problems usually go away. Not saying its always like that. If you dont make a profit, you cant throw money at problems. :icon_smile_big:
I see it every day, guys doing half azz sh*t on the side, and expecting to charge real amounts like I have to do all the aforementioned things. I know guys that work out of there back yard, hustling repairs and grabbing the cash. I see the guy down the street though, in a licesned permitted building, paying his taxes, and he is slow. Why? Cause people are bringing there stuff to the little guy in his back yard. People think everybody wins in those deals, but they dont. We all lose. Those backyard guys are the kind of guys this thread is about. They are crooks.
If he didnt pay his LLC permits, do you think he pain for insurance for his employees that paint in the shop? Or the ones outside sandblasting? How could you sleep at night not having workers comp insurance for your employees? Did he pay income tax on the money he made? Doubtful, who claims cash? So the town/city/state takes a hit. The guy grabs all the $$ he can, them bam, he hides. If Someone has a problem, he cant throw any money at it to make it go away, cause he is a crook. Crooks dont save money, they blow it. And this guys here Mr. BK, he is a real crook. We all know it. But I dont think he does. Guys like him get so full of themselves, they think they can charge $100K to mud up a car, and they think there helping someone realize a dream. He built (hacked) all kinds off different cars, installed, Hemis, Put in Dane rearends, layed on some marvelous paint, and probally rode the wave for a while. People see shiny cars in pictures and they there sold on it. Happens all the time.
Unfortunately, as soon as he is done, another crook will show up, jump right in line and screw a bunch of people over. I hate it, but dont know what to do about it. We will stay alive, giving people there moneys worth, and trying to refer them to good guys that pay there share, and give an honest job. There out there, ya just gotta ask around. And you have to be a good customer like Jeff here, you have to be willing to pay what the company needs to do the job right. Everyone wants to save a buck, but at what cost?
Hope I didnt disrupt anyone, things like this are a real touchy subject for me
:cheers: :Twocents: :cheers:
Very well said!
Theres always "Oh my guy can do this" or "Bring it to this guy hes good".....and ive always said theres a big difference between doing something and doing something right.
Amen ! :cheers: I was just talking to someone in Texas today about what you said AutoRust, that (BK) doesn't know he is in the wrong. These kind can't and don't see or think they are doing anything bad. I would bet my life on the fact that he really thinks what he has done is OK. This man is a liar and that is a fact. His place is a dump with no permits or lic. for what he's been doing, nor the correct equipment (paint booths, lifts) and yet he calls us hillbilly's. :rofl:
Anyone seen his resume? Here it is: :lol:http://www.bkauto.net/media/onlineportfolio/resume.htm (http://www.bkauto.net/media/onlineportfolio/resume.htm) http://www.bkauto.net/media/onlineportfolio/originalart.htm
(http://www.bkauto.net/media/onlineportfolio/originalart.htm)
and some more junk
http://www.bkauto.net/media/onlineportfolio/ (http://www.bkauto.net/media/onlineportfolio/)
http://www.bkauto.net/0106-81.htm (http://www.bkauto.net/0106-81.htm)
http://www.bkauto.net/Chopper%20001.htm (http://www.bkauto.net/Chopper%20001.htm)
He said:
Quote....I specialize in working under pressure, setting up the design, running a team and organizing the operation from start to finish.
I read "this crap is ALL MY FAULT!" :slap:
Do you suppose he's working under pressure now? :yesnod:
Quote from: dstryr on April 11, 2009, 01:40:13 AM
Anyone seen his resume? Here it is: :lol:http://www.bkauto.net/media/onlineportfolio/resume.htm (http://www.bkauto.net/media/onlineportfolio/resume.htm) http://www.bkauto.net/media/onlineportfolio/originalart.htm
(http://www.bkauto.net/media/onlineportfolio/originalart.htm)
and some more junk
http://www.bkauto.net/media/onlineportfolio/ (http://www.bkauto.net/media/onlineportfolio/)
http://www.bkauto.net/0106-81.htm (http://www.bkauto.net/0106-81.htm)
http://www.bkauto.net/Chopper%20001.htm (http://www.bkauto.net/Chopper%20001.htm)
GOOD FIND(S)!! That's a RIOT, nice "resume". :lol: :lol: I've captures all of that garbage as well..
Quote from: AutoRust on April 10, 2009, 10:51:11 PM
Quote from: skip68 on April 08, 2009, 08:28:02 PM
It seems that you really only hear about the bad ones and not the good ones. There are lots of great shops out there that will do a great job for the money. BK has lied to everyone that reads his site. From the paint booth (that they don't have) to the quality of work they do. Most shops are open to the public and those are the ones that are going to be the best bet. With real up to date LLC's. And pick a shop that has a Lic. and permits unlike BK Auto. And insurance / bonds. :yesnod: One thing I should say is that even a good shop is going to have complaints. There is always that one customer that you just can't seem to please no matter how hard you try. :rotz: Much like this thread. We have had thousands and thousands of readers and they all know something is going on. BUT, we have at least 2 or 3 (BK is one) that do not have the ability to understand and see what is going on. :rotz: So, there you have it.
This is a major problem in this industry, no doubt. Our company has been around 32 years now. How do we survive? Were honest, and we pay our share. I spend many many many thousands every year on taxes, fees, permits, insurances, more taxes, advertising, even more taxes, we pay our bills early, we take care of our employees, and we stay open. We HAVE to charge the kinds of amounts, because we have to pay all these bills. I dont mind paying these bills, everyone needs there money, someone has to help pay for the guys on the frontlines. Profits NOT a bad word. If you dont make a profit and put it away, you dont survive the rainy days. And there are rainy days. And money solves problems. If I screw something up, I have to pay. Money works. Offer someone $50-500+ whatever,and an apoligy, problems usually go away. Not saying its always like that. If you dont make a profit, you cant throw money at problems. :icon_smile_big:
I see it every day, guys doing half azz sh*t on the side, and expecting to charge real amounts like I have to do all the aforementioned things. I know guys that work out of there back yard, hustling repairs and grabbing the cash. I see the guy down the street though, in a licesned permitted building, paying his taxes, and he is slow. Why? Cause people are bringing there stuff to the little guy in his back yard. People think everybody wins in those deals, but they dont. We all lose. Those backyard guys are the kind of guys this thread is about. They are crooks.
If he didnt pay his LLC permits, do you think he pain for insurance for his employees that paint in the shop? Or the ones outside sandblasting? How could you sleep at night not having workers comp insurance for your employees? Did he pay income tax on the money he made? Doubtful, who claims cash? So the town/city/state takes a hit. The guy grabs all the $$ he can, them bam, he hides. If Someone has a problem, he cant throw any money at it to make it go away, cause he is a crook. Crooks dont save money, they blow it. And this guys here Mr. BK, he is a real crook. We all know it. But I dont think he does. Guys like him get so full of themselves, they think they can charge $100K to mud up a car, and they think there helping someone realize a dream. He built (hacked) all kinds off different cars, installed, Hemis, Put in Dane rearends, layed on some marvelous paint, and probally rode the wave for a while. People see shiny cars in pictures and they there sold on it. Happens all the time.
Unfortunately, as soon as he is done, another crook will show up, jump right in line and screw a bunch of people over. I hate it, but dont know what to do about it. We will stay alive, giving people there moneys worth, and trying to refer them to good guys that pay there share, and give an honest job. There out there, ya just gotta ask around. And you have to be a good customer like Jeff here, you have to be willing to pay what the company needs to do the job right. Everyone wants to save a buck, but at what cost?
Hope I didnt disrupt anyone, things like this are a real touchy subject for me
:cheers: :Twocents: :cheers:
AMEN!!!! Disrupt?? not at all!!! :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
OK, here you go, this might explain some things:
July 98 to July 00: Full time, Psychological Operations Illustrator / Special Operations, $24,400, U.S. Army, Ft. Bragg, NC. 28307, SFC Alliman, (910) 848-0727. Created graphics, translations, propaganda for leaflets/flyers for overseas distribution, Magazine Publication, Web Design. Military Information: U.S. Army, PFC, E-3, 25M-Multimedia Illustrator
OK, First these are red flags as a liar, like we didn't already know. I was in the Army 1997-2001, I was a Private First Class for a year or so, there is no way in hell I or anyone else as an E-3 made 24,400.00 a year. We didn't make that much at all. All E-3 were paid the same, and sure as hell wasn't 24,400 a year. Hell an E-3 in the military now only makes 19,000 base pay, and this is 10 years worth of raises later.
Second he was a creator of propaganda, this is clear. Look at all he has done as the owner operator of BK. All his website designs are propaganda. His resume screams scammer, imo.
Ands this...
Other: 5yrs. Theatre/acting. Have had classes in computer programming in Pascal, Turbo Pascal, and Qbasic, Selected for the 'Who's Who Among American High School Students' top 10% of nationwide students three years in a row(1995, 1996, 1997). Participated in several Clubs, to include the French and Drama Club, also competed in UIL Drama and UIL Computer Science competitions. Won UIL Best Actor two years in a row: 1994-1995. Awarded for services, technical expertise, and management skills in the execution of USSOCOM's year 2000 evaluation, Operation Millennium Lightning II, involving over 300 personnel from all component commands and numerous national agencies, to evaluate one hundred and thirty-two mission critical warfighting systems, applications, and databases. Awarded for distinguishing myself by exceptional meritorious achievement while serving as a member of a Psychological Operations Capability Demonstration Team on 22 October 1999.
See, now we all know he was only acting like a professional builder while doing theese cars. He acted like his shop could weld. He acted like his shop can make you a roadsafe drivable car. You know so he can say I am not a car builder, painter, shop owner; I only play one on T.V.
BK Automotive's name has turned into mud. :yesnod:
Yes, all of the big name custom choppers are put together in an office surrounded by junk.
After reading the resume, several thoughts come to mind. I get a lot of them sent to me, usually about 25% is the truth, the rest is pumped up to make you look good, so when I read one, thats always in my mind, its mostly bullsh*t.
Once the company name is gone, and he is raked over the coals from this, he will go to the other side of his city and start a new business. He will dress up a resume, s[plash a few pictures on a dazzling web site, and presto', he will be back in the game.
I really do think he is a legend in his own mind. He must think he plays the game right by adding those labels to the car "not intended for street use", figures thats his free pass to turn out garbage. Ego is everything now. He is addicted to the cash he makes, and like most addicts with an ego, he needs to be in the game, cutting deals, making his name bigger and better. Heck, he is bigger the Foose in his own mind. Its a shame really, and I dont know how to combat it.
:cheers:
;)
By the way, does anyone know if anyone at that shop is even a certified mechanic ? :smilielol: What I think AutoRust said is true about them being a backyard shop that just rented a building. :smilielol:
Well, I'm on my way back from the shop now. The car looks awesome and should be in primer for my next group of pictures. I'll post some shots in a few minutes.
Ok, now before I make it sound like BEA makes total crap, I'd like to clarify that I realize 99% of the aftermarket parts that are available may need some 'modification' to make them fit properly. These pieces are no different.. I just didn't like Mike telling me that I'm the "only one to ever have a problem", when we all know that's not the case.. He claims he offered to exchange them for me, but the bottom line is that he offered me a refund NOT a part swap (because it was my car, not his part).
That blurb aside, they fit perfectly now and I'm happy with the end result. The car is not 90% finish sanded and ready for primer. There's a small high spot on the driver's rear quarter to be finished and a couple of small spots but this car was as smooth (to the touch) as glass.. HUGE improvement from last week.
So here are the new rear trim pcs before...
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6257Medium.jpg)
and here we are today...
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2661Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2665Medium.jpg)
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Ok, y'all remember the ice cream truck, right? Well, it's painted!! So now with the exception of the (soon to be) Yellow hot-rod, some other projects are wrapping up..
I love this thing, it's very cool and has some serious history... I can't wait to see it done.
The paint wasn't even dry yet!!
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:o DID YOU PAIT THAT YOUSELF??? :popcrn:
Quote from: richard pettys 73 on April 11, 2009, 01:43:49 PM
:o DID YOU PAIT THAT YOUSELF??? :popcrn:
ME?? Hell no.. I'm just the photographer.
The back/sign area of the truck is the original porcelain area, which is why it doesn't get touched and/or painted.
:cheers:
WHERE IS THIS PAINTER LOCATED?? :scratchchin:
Quote from: richard pettys 73 on April 11, 2009, 01:46:41 PM
WHERE IS THIS PAINTER LOCATED?? :scratchchin:
They are about 45 minutes South of Boston.
DARN A LITTLE TOO FAR AWAY FOR ME... :shruggy:...HE DOES A GREAT JOB THOUGH :2thumbs:
Ok, some more Charger shots, then I have another couple of extra shots to show you guys that are pretty cool...
Here you can see everything's done on the driver's side except a couple of spots (low) and a spot on the rear quarter... And yes, they were brand new (AMD) quarters, but as you guys already know NO "new" panel is perfect out of the box.
In fact, you can see in this shot where (AMD) marked this quarter as having a high spot...
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And before you wonder, the trunk lid's not down tight and the passenger door's open in these shots.
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I love how smooth the entire rear/tail light area is..
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The halogen lights were directly on the side of the car when these shots were taken, so ignore the funky colors...
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The stance of the car, as I mentioned last week, has been adjusted.. The last thing I wanted to do was rip the oil pan/headers apart because the front end was so low. I REALLY like the stance of the car now...
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Here you can see the driver's side rear window trim panel has been test fit.. Perfect fit!!
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KEEP EM COMING :popcrn:
A Nova that came in here in need of some SERIOUS help. It's looking really good already!!
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The hot rod that this time next week will be Yellow (of course I'll have pictures). Every time I see this car I want to sing the HAPPY DAYS theme song..
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And a Keith Black aluminum Hemi block. This block was in a car that made 7 second 1/4 mile passes until it exploded...
BK could fix it with a little bit of Bondo.
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It looks like its coming along great. I like the new stance, part of the fun of having headers is bottoming out.
And I realized where some valuable time that could have been spent on my car went... An altered wheel base car was built IN ONE DAY. BK, beat this one.. They built this thing last Sunday afternoon. Sure, it needs paint, but it's driveable!!
Check out this beast...
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Could you imagine seeing this thing coming down the road at you??
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I thought I'd take a couple of shots of some quick paintings one of the guys did...
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Quote from: bordin34 on April 11, 2009, 01:58:38 PM
It looks like its coming along great. I like the new stance, part of the fun of having headers is bottoming out.
I agree, to an extent.. It was just TOO low here.. The roads in my area suck. They resemble the surface of the moon.
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:scratchchin: Looks a little high to me Jeff. Anyway, looking groovy baby. :2thumbs:
Quote from: skip68 on April 11, 2009, 02:29:25 PM
:scratchchin: Looks a little high to me Jeff. Anyway, looking groovy baby. :2thumbs:
That's cause yours is in the weeds too, ckuch!! :lol: So if you were me, you'd take out the cage and drop it back down. Next thing you'll be telling me to call Thomas to see what he thinks :smilielol:
I'd keep it, but the undercarriage damage it would cause driving it like that (around here) isn't worth it. My oil pan was literally about 4" from the ground.. A bit close for my liking..
You know what's weird?? This doesn't seem like it was all that long ago...
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Here you can see how much lower my nose was than my buddy's '70 TA.
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Hell, Chuck, look what I had to do to my truck to get it to clear the roads around here.. This ain't Vegas, buddy!
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:rotz: DUH ! come on Jeff, you can't be that dumb. :slap: All you have to do is weld an extra wheel to the oil pan so it will roll over bumps. :nana: Don't call me buddy ;)
Excellent body work! Any paint date yet? Sorry to be the 9 millionth person to ask. :D
No signs of Boogerkingness. How sweet is that?
Quote from: Stanleyart on April 11, 2009, 03:15:30 PM
Excellent body work! Any paint date yet? Sorry to be the 9 millionth person to ask. :D
No signs of Boogerkingness. How sweet is that?
Thanks, I'm sure they'll appreciate the compliment!
As for a date on paint, nothing concrete yet, and I don't want to curse myself by tossing a date out there...
Quote from: Stanleyart on April 11, 2009, 03:15:30 PM
Excellent body work! Any paint date yet? Sorry to be the 9 millionth person to ask. :D
No signs of Boogerkingness. How sweet is that?
:iagree: :iagree: ALL THE WORK IS LOOKING GREAT :paintingpink: :buff:
Quote from: dstryr on April 11, 2009, 01:40:13 AM
Anyone seen his resume? Here it is: :lol:http://www.bkauto.net/media/onlineportfolio/resume.htm (http://www.bkauto.net/media/onlineportfolio/resume.htm) http://www.bkauto.net/media/onlineportfolio/originalart.htm
(http://www.bkauto.net/media/onlineportfolio/originalart.htm)
and some more junk
http://www.bkauto.net/media/onlineportfolio/ (http://www.bkauto.net/media/onlineportfolio/)
http://www.bkauto.net/0106-81.htm (http://www.bkauto.net/0106-81.htm)
http://www.bkauto.net/Chopper%20001.htm (http://www.bkauto.net/Chopper%20001.htm)
My attorney has been given this information, THANK YOU. The "resume" will be extremely helpful in further destroying his credibility. Imagine finding out his "military experience" was a hoax? He expects people to believe he was one of the highest scoring people in his class yet he can't SPELL? And would an excessively intelligent person come here and post what he did? I think not.
And this is an EXCELLENT statment... One that will prove to be a massive thorn in his side...
I have owned my own business(s) since 1999 and those handle a cash flow of $250,000 to $500,000 per year.This one's great, since all he's sold to Volo over the years was a rolling casket. They were extremely concerned over the use (misuse??) of their name.
With that business I have handled many high profile clients such as Volo Museum, one of the largest museums in the world,It goes on and on.. What I'd like to do though, is offer anyone here who's computer/search savvy a deal.. Any information, like the information found in the links above that can be found would result in an award winning chunk of BK HISTORY.. MY CAR. Be it a chunk of Orange painted Bondo, a hacked up roll bar, or a lower quarter section on it with enough Bondo to build 2 cars, you won't be disappointed..
I KNOW there's a lot more info out there like DSTRYR posted.. It would be great to see it all compiled here... Classmates, Facebook, MySpace, etc...... It's out there!!!
Thanks Chuck :cheers:
I bet he was in the Army. I wonder how proud the Army would be to see this and how he has done business ? One thing that I just can't understand is how can a guy like Tommy that seems to be half way smart, make such a mess of his life by the lies and mistakes and extreme foolish actions ? :shruggy: Greed ? Maybe when he was in the Army he should have studied business instead of drawing pictures and getting certificates for completing 40 hrs of training. ::) They should have spent more time teaching him about honor and being honest. :shruggy: I mean come on, why has Thomas lied so much ?
Quote from: skip68 on April 11, 2009, 04:18:16 PM
I bet he was in the Army. I wonder how proud the Army would be to see this and how he has done business ? One thing that I just can't understand is how can a guy like Tommy that seems to be half way smart, make such a mess of his life by the lies and mistakes and extreme foolish actions ? :shruggy: Greed ? Maybe when he was in the Army he should have studied business instead of drawing pictures and getting certificates for completing 40 hrs of training. ::) They should have spent more time teaching him about honor and being honest. :shruggy: I mean come on, why has Thomas lied so much ?
:iagree:
my buddy is a 6'8 recon marine... he'll teach him respect :rofl:
EDIT..
Quote from: jb666 on April 11, 2009, 03:36:40 PM
Quote from: dstryr on April 11, 2009, 01:40:13 AM
Anyone seen his resume? Here it is: :lol:http://www.bkauto.net/media/onlineportfolio/resume.htm (http://www.bkauto.net/media/onlineportfolio/resume.htm) http://www.bkauto.net/media/onlineportfolio/originalart.htm
(http://www.bkauto.net/media/onlineportfolio/originalart.htm)
and some more junk
http://www.bkauto.net/media/onlineportfolio/ (http://www.bkauto.net/media/onlineportfolio/)
http://www.bkauto.net/0106-81.htm (http://www.bkauto.net/0106-81.htm)
http://www.bkauto.net/Chopper%20001.htm (http://www.bkauto.net/Chopper%20001.htm)
My attorney has been given this information, THANK YOU. The "resume" will be extremely helpful in further destroying his credibility. Imagine finding out his "military experience" was a hoax? He expects people to believe he was one of the highest scoring people in his class yet he can't SPELL? And would an excessively intelligent person come here and post what he did? I think not.
And this is an EXCELLENT statment... One that will prove to be a massive thorn in his side...
I have owned my own business(s) since 1999 and those handle a cash flow of $250,000 to $500,000 per year.
This one's great, since all he's sold to Volo over the years was a rolling casket. They were extremely concerned over the use (misuse??) of their name.
With that business I have handled many high profile clients such as Volo Museum, one of the largest museums in the world,
It goes on and on.. What I'd like to do though, is offer anyone here who's computer/search savvy a deal.. Any information, like the information found in the links above that can be found would result in an award winning chunk of BK HISTORY.. MY CAR. Be it a chunk of Orange painted Bondo, a hacked up roll bar, or a lower quarter section on it with enough Bondo to build 2 cars, you won't be disappointed..
I KNOW there's a lot more info out there like DSTRYR posted.. It would be great to see it all compiled here... Classmates, Facebook, MySpace, etc...... It's out there!!!
I didn't go through every link from these earlier, just no time to look at all the crap on his server. Here's another link from his onlineportfolio link. He's got pics of all of his awards and certifications: http://www.bkauto.net/media/onlineportfolio/background.htm (http://www.bkauto.net/media/onlineportfolio/background.htm)
This is probably a good page to 'save as' to your hard drive since the links might be gone later. :2thumbs:
Certs and awards:
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Oh yeah,,diggin those rear valance corners.. :cheers: :icon_smile_wink: :2thumbs:
Sweet!! :naughty: :naughty: :naughty: :fireangry: :fireangry: :fireangry:
This is classic!
Quote from: charger01 on April 11, 2009, 05:28:41 PM
Oh yeah,,diggin those rear valance corners.. :cheers: :icon_smile_wink: :2thumbs:
You noticed!!!! :cheers: :cheers: They did that this week!!
Quote from: mikepmcs on April 11, 2009, 05:28:49 PM
Sweet!! :naughty: :naughty: :naughty: :fireangry: :fireangry: :fireangry:
This is classic!
Thanks, it's my trademark... Check out the plate on the Vette too, then back to regularly scheduled programming.
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The funny part is when Thomas is telling his buddies later on in life about his business that was ruined by a guy that got ahold of one of his "creations". He'll be telling him his screen name was jb666 and they are going to wonder why he couldn't see trouble coming from someone with that for a screen name. :smilielol:
:scratchchin: Maybe that's why Tommy never made a deal with you Jeff. It would be a deal with the Devil. :smilielol:
Quote from: General_01 on April 11, 2009, 05:39:38 PM
The funny part is when Thomas is telling his buddies later on in life about his business that was ruined by a guy that got ahold of one of his "creations". He'll be telling him his screen name was jb666 and they are going to wonder why he couldn't see trouble coming from someone with that for a screen name. :smilielol:
;D Thank you.. Thankyouverymuch. :flame:
Quote from: skip68 on April 11, 2009, 05:43:59 PM
:scratchchin: Maybe that's why Tommy never made a deal with you Jeff. It would be a deal with the Devil. :smilielol:
Oh, if you only knew....
How about this one LMAO..found this one in the media folder
(http://www.bkauto.net/media/onlineportfolio/media/Funme_big.gif)
Other pics and "Army" pics found here
Just click "show tumbnails so you can get an idea on the image instead of clicking em all
http://www.bkauto.net/media/onlineportfolio/media/
Quote from: FLG on April 11, 2009, 05:48:15 PM
How about this one LMAO..found this one in the media folder
(http://www.bkauto.net/media/onlineportfolio/media/Funme_big.gif)
Other pics and "Army" pics found here
Just click "show tumbnails so you can get an idea on the image instead of clicking em all
http://www.bkauto.net/media/onlineportfolio/media/
:smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol:
:scratchchin: Is this real ? :shruggy:
Jeff, Chuck, you have a PM.
I don't think that anyone noticed this detail:
He worked in covert operations - "Psychological Operations". That means propaganda. The man was TAUGHT HOW TO LIE and do it with a straight face.
Quote from: FLG on April 11, 2009, 05:48:15 PM
How about this one LMAO..found this one in the media folder
(http://www.bkauto.net/media/onlineportfolio/media/Funme_big.gif)
Other pics and "Army" pics found here
Just click "show tumbnails so you can get an idea on the image instead of clicking em all
http://www.bkauto.net/media/onlineportfolio/media/
That reminded me of this, for some reason.
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Maybe because I suspect he will have a headache that big soon, if not already.
Quote from: bogus on April 11, 2009, 06:34:47 PM
I don't think that anyone noticed this detail:
He worked in covert operations - "Psychological Operations". That means propaganda. The man was TAUGHT HOW TO LIE and do it with a straight face.
Yeah, that's classic...
Now I've known people who are book smart but have no common sense.. Thomas has shown us, in his replies, that not only can he not spell, but he's a moron. How does this make him in the 10% "smartest in the nation"??????????? :brickwall: What nation? Pigme Nation? :brickwall:
Quote from: mikepmcs on April 11, 2009, 06:16:14 PM
Jeff, Chuck, you have a PM.
Got it, and that explains a lot. Thanks Mike!!
Quote from: bogus on April 11, 2009, 06:34:47 PM
I don't think that anyone noticed this detail:
He worked in covert operations - "Psychological Operations". That means propaganda. The man was TAUGHT HOW TO LIE and do it with a straight face.
I saw that also, and its what prompted me to think about the ego thing. Although based on his certificate history, I suspect he was a low level grunt that did simple posters and assorted simple media stuff. However it planted the seeds for him, kind of like, say the same thing enough time, eventually even you beleive yourself. He was taught to spin the truth around enough, no one knows whats real anymore ( next up, politics). I like the way he likes to splash numbers around on his resume ( $41,600yr / Jennifer Vestal , $52,000/Helen Palmore, $33,000/Charles Freeman) because we are suppose to be impressed by that. I know I certainly am of course. It all spells loser to me.
I still worry that all this mess he created for himself will only be a cog in the gears, and within a few weeks/months/years from now, he will be back at it again. With his oversize ego, and addiction to the cash he grabbed through all this, he will not be able to earn an honest living elsewhere, regardless all those "impressive" numbers he flashes out there. First class loser in my book, here's hoping Chuck roughs up enough people they act, and he sees the inside for a while. :nana:
Yah, he's real smart. :smilielol: That's why he's in this mess to begin with. :coocoo: :shortbus:
Well I just got some news I'm not too happy with...
2-3 months back a forum member (Roy) met me at Jon's shop and bought the nose from the General that I was selling. Well, Roy just notified me that he had the parts blasted this week and that the rust, pinholes and damage was too severe to use, especially the hood.
I was hoping this wasn't the original nose from the car and that the parts would be usable and could be cleaned up... :brickwall:
I'm sorry Roy.. Even though they had some rough spots (like the rest of the car) I really thought they could be patched/cleaned up... But, after seeing what my car looked like when it came back from the blasters, I AM NOT SURPRISED..... :rotz:
BK strikes again..
Quote from: AutoRust on April 11, 2009, 11:36:09 PM
Quote from: bogus on April 11, 2009, 06:34:47 PM
I don't think that anyone noticed this detail:
He worked in covert operations - "Psychological Operations". That means propaganda. The man was TAUGHT HOW TO LIE and do it with a straight face.
I saw that also, and its what prompted me to think about the ego thing. Although based on his certificate history, I suspect he was a low level grunt that did simple posters and assorted simple media stuff. However it planted the seeds for him, kind of like, say the same thing enough time, eventually even you beleive yourself. He was taught to spin the truth around enough, no one knows whats real anymore ( next up, politics). I like the way he likes to splash numbers around on his resume ( $41,600yr / Jennifer Vestal , $52,000/Helen Palmore, $33,000/Charles Freeman) because we are suppose to be impressed by that. I know I certainly am of course. It all spells loser to me.
I still worry that all this mess he created for himself will only be a cog in the gears, and within a few weeks/months/years from now, he will be back at it again. With his oversize ego, and addiction to the cash he grabbed through all this, he will not be able to earn an honest living elsewhere, regardless all those "impressive" numbers he flashes out there. First class loser in my book, here's hoping Chuck roughs up enough people they act, and he sees the inside for a while. :nana:
I have read some of his posts... a chunk of his resume.
I don't know him. Hope to never meet him. But... I am beginning to see a picture. And it isn't pretty.
He is a embellisher. Possibly a pathalogical liar, but I doubt it. Someone SO insecure, they have to punch it all up to sound even more impressive.
The difference I find between embellishers and pathalogical liars is that for the embellisher, there is truth behind it. This is how they can speak with a clear conscience. In their heart, they are not lying.
Now... there is one other classification (at least by my estimates) and that is someone who is a pathalogical embellisher. They just can't stop spinning everything. They must make the mundane incrediable. They punch up the average to such a point where it barely resembles the truth.
At the same time, they think they know everything. The best way for me to describe this is via example. I knew a guy back home who was rather smart, but not very knowledgeble on all things. He is a computer professional who had to know all about everything. And was somehow insignificant if not the expert on all things. The problem? He wasn't. What he DID know, for example, was X on a subject. He also knew "Y" on the subject. Which allowed him to make the leap to "Z", which he didn't know. For this example, he knew that engine controllers could be reprogrammed to get more power. He just had no clue on how it was done, but that didn't stop him from claiming that the local car dealer gave him the "microcode" to reprogram the ECU in his Pontiac Sunbird. This reprogram supposedly gained him 5hp or something stupid like that. I didn't know the specifics, but I knew it wasn't what he was saying, but since I didn't know for sure, I left it alone.
There is the other kind of embellisher... the one who agrees and acts like it was their own idea from the start. They are the most transparent. A friend was helping his mom by fixing the window sill. The wood was very rotten. So he fixes it with Bondo - yes, Jeff's favourite substance! It was obvious he didn't realize that wood expands at different rates than Bondo. When I brought it up, he was like, "uh, yea, I thought of that." Uh, yea, right, sure you did.
In short, I think he falls somewhere in there. More than likely the first person than the second. The bottom line is insecurity.
I am not a professional. I simply observe and report back what I have observed.
Quote from: jb666 on April 12, 2009, 12:26:52 PM
Well I just got some news I'm not too happy with...
2-3 months back a forum member (Roy) met me at Jon's shop and bought the nose from the General that I was selling. Well, Roy just notified me that he had the parts blasted this week and that the rust, pinholes and damage was too severe to use, especially the hood.
I was hoping this wasn't the original nose from the car and that the parts would be usable and could be cleaned up... :brickwall:
I'm sorry Roy.. Even though they had some rough spots (like the rest of the car) I really thought they could be patched/cleaned up... But, after seeing what my car looked like when it came back from the blasters, I AM NOT SURPRISED..... :rotz:
BK strikes again..
oh, man... do they own stock in Bondo?
:rotz: I hope Roy post some pictures of the them here. Man that sucks. :flame:
Quote from: skip68 on April 12, 2009, 01:47:07 PM
:rotz: I hope Roy post some pictures of the them here. Man that sucks. :flame:
Agreed. It's additional evidence of their short cuts.
I haven't had a chance to review all the posts, but has anyone found the dude with that Firebird?
No pics :slap: No camera when I was their. I was so disgusted I just wanted the stuff gone. :icon_smile_angry: He had a car going to the crusher...I didn't want to bring the junk home...so we stuffed them in it. After he squashed and folded them with his skid steer. Kinda cool to watch except it was my stuff. :'( Seeing those fenders and hood after blasting...I really have to commend Jeff for keeping his cool. If BK had been next to me at the shop I would have stomped a mud hole in his azz and walked it dry... :flame:
Cars looking great Jeff :2thumbs: I can't wait to see it finished. :cheers:
Quote from: captnsim on April 12, 2009, 02:28:57 PM
No pics :slap: No camera when I was their. I was so disgusted I just wanted the stuff gone. :icon_smile_angry: He had a car going to the crusher...I didn't want to bring the junk home...so we stuffed them in it. After he squashed and folded them with his skid steer. Kinda cool to watch except it was my stuff. :'( Seeing those fenders and hood after blasting...I really have to commend Jeff for keeping his cool. If BK had been next to me at the shop I would have stomped a mud hole in his azz and walked it dry... :flame:
Cars looking great Jeff :2thumbs: I can't wait to see it finished. :cheers:
You have to comment ME? This car has shafted 3 people now.... It's given me short bursts of heart failure...
Man... I feel really bad about this, as I told you via email. I WAS REALLY hoping that the whole nose off this car came from a different donor and would be ok... Because once my car went off the the blaster I ALMOST gave up all hope. If it wasn't for the guys at the shop telling me "Do not worry, this is nothing we can't fix AND FIX CORRECTLY!" I would have thrown in the towel, even after Jon's portion of the repairs......
Again, Roy, I apologize.. I knew they were "rough", but no rougher than anything else on the car. I HAD NO CLUE of the body's real condition (as did anyone else that saw it) until it was blasted bare... :icon_smile_angry:
Quote from: bogus on April 12, 2009, 02:21:04 PM
Quote from: skip68 on April 12, 2009, 01:47:07 PM
:rotz: I hope Roy post some pictures of the them here. Man that sucks. :flame:
Agreed. It's additional evidence of their short cuts.
I haven't had a chance to review all the posts, but has anyone found the dude with that Firebird?
NO, Mr Trans Am man hasn't been found yet, but the word is out on various FBody sites.
Quote from: bogus on April 12, 2009, 01:03:14 PM
Quote from: AutoRust on April 11, 2009, 11:36:09 PM
Quote from: bogus on April 11, 2009, 06:34:47 PM
I don't think that anyone noticed this detail:
He worked in covert operations - "Psychological Operations". That means propaganda. The man was TAUGHT HOW TO LIE and do it with a straight face.
I saw that also, and its what prompted me to think about the ego thing. Although based on his certificate history, I suspect he was a low level grunt that did simple posters and assorted simple media stuff. However it planted the seeds for him, kind of like, say the same thing enough time, eventually even you beleive yourself. He was taught to spin the truth around enough, no one knows whats real anymore ( next up, politics). I like the way he likes to splash numbers around on his resume ( $41,600yr / Jennifer Vestal , $52,000/Helen Palmore, $33,000/Charles Freeman) because we are suppose to be impressed by that. I know I certainly am of course. It all spells loser to me.
I still worry that all this mess he created for himself will only be a cog in the gears, and within a few weeks/months/years from now, he will be back at it again. With his oversize ego, and addiction to the cash he grabbed through all this, he will not be able to earn an honest living elsewhere, regardless all those "impressive" numbers he flashes out there. First class loser in my book, here's hoping Chuck roughs up enough people they act, and he sees the inside for a while. :nana:
I have read some of his posts... a chunk of his resume.
I don't know him. Hope to never meet him. But... I am beginning to see a picture. And it isn't pretty.
He is a embellisher. Possibly a pathalogical liar, but I doubt it. Someone SO insecure, they have to punch it all up to sound even more impressive.
The difference I find between embellishers and pathalogical liars is that for the embellisher, there is truth behind it. This is how they can speak with a clear conscience. In their heart, they are not lying.
Now... there is one other classification (at least by my estimates) and that is someone who is a pathalogical embellisher. They just can't stop spinning everything. They must make the mundane incrediable. They punch up the average to such a point where it barely resembles the truth.
At the same time, they think they know everything. The best way for me to describe this is via example. I knew a guy back home who was rather smart, but not very knowledgeble on all things. He is a computer professional who had to know all about everything. And was somehow insignificant if not the expert on all things. The problem? He wasn't. What he DID know, for example, was X on a subject. He also knew "Y" on the subject. Which allowed him to make the leap to "Z", which he didn't know. For this example, he knew that engine controllers could be reprogrammed to get more power. He just had no clue on how it was done, but that didn't stop him from claiming that the local car dealer gave him the "microcode" to reprogram the ECU in his Pontiac Sunbird. This reprogram supposedly gained him 5hp or something stupid like that. I didn't know the specifics, but I knew it wasn't what he was saying, but since I didn't know for sure, I left it alone.
There is the other kind of embellisher... the one who agrees and acts like it was their own idea from the start. They are the most transparent. A friend was helping his mom by fixing the window sill. The wood was very rotten. So he fixes it with Bondo - yes, Jeff's favourite substance! It was obvious he didn't realize that wood expands at different rates than Bondo. When I brought it up, he was like, "uh, yea, I thought of that." Uh, yea, right, sure you did.
In short, I think he falls somewhere in there. More than likely the first person than the second. The bottom line is insecurity.
I am not a professional. I simply observe and report back what I have observed.
Bogus... YOU are not a professional?? I tell you if I needed legal/professional advice I'd ask you!! I've yet to see you pull any bogus info (no pun intended) out of your ass :cheers:
I had to say I am not a professional... if I don't, someone might think I am and misinterpret my comments.
I have concluded, after nailing a number of these things, that I am just a natural at reading people and their behaviours.
At the same time, I apply common sense...
You see, an embellisher and/or pathalogical liar would tell you things as if they were fact. Regardless of knowledge.
I simply express an idea and suggest they follow up with the proper expert. I may be wrong, but logic and common sense indicate I should be right. But it takes the professional, who IS the expert to confirm it.
If nothing else, it creates discussion and could reveal another solution.
I learned to qualify these comments a lot time ago. When I worked in law enforcement, people always thought I was either an attorney or a cop... and all I said was who I worked for (AG's office or State Police). I had to qualify things. Otherwise, you get into big trouble with misrepresentation. And I sure as hell don't want that.
So... I am simply a computer geek. Who just happens to understand the human condition.
I've known you for many many years, Andy.. You've never let me down :cheers:
I just can't say it enough.. Had I known what I was in for the night I saw this
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2164Medium.jpg)
What I was in for, I'd have taken some other people's advice and found myself a clean roller and begun the transplant... :brickwall: :brickwall: :brickwall: :brickwall: :brickwall: :brickwall:
QuoteYou have to commend ME?
Yup..I.commend you Jeff......I'm out a few bucks on a nose I knew had issues and I know how I feel. :flame: That's nothing compared to the thousands you where ripped off and the bits of good car you where left with. I know how I felt when I looked at those parts you sold me after blasting. You got a whole car in that shape. That someone would just smear bondo over surface rust, pin holes, and tacked on patches over holes (Still rusty didn't even cut the rust out before patching). Paint it and sell it for top dollar as restored...If this had happened to me in the magnitude it did to you...well if you remember way back I lost my cool over just a picture. So yes, I commend you for how you have handled this. Me I'd already of had my plane ticket to Texas with a lay over at Brian's and probably be cooling my heels in the clink. :cheers:
(edit) All I'm saying is if Brian and BK had ripped me off in this fashion I'd be really "tinkled" and go "ape KaKa" on them verbally. Probally ruining any chance of legal reprisal. I never would consider, suggest, condone, or encourage harm or illegal activity to Brian or BK or their property unless carried out legally.
If this had happened to me, I would have driven to Texas. Just so I had the three days of travel just to increase the rage.
The car would have been parked in their garage... after that, I don't know, because something went woefully wrong and the building just blew up. I have no idea... maybe all that bondo was actually C4? That had to be it. :angel:
Jeff - anytime, brah! Anytime!
Quote from: bogus on April 12, 2009, 01:03:14 PM
Quote from: AutoRust on April 11, 2009, 11:36:09 PM
Quote from: bogus on April 11, 2009, 06:34:47 PM
I don't think that anyone noticed this detail:
He worked in covert operations - "Psychological Operations". That means propaganda. The man was TAUGHT HOW TO LIE and do it with a straight face.
I saw that also, and its what prompted me to think about the ego thing. Although based on his certificate history, I suspect he was a low level grunt that did simple posters and assorted simple media stuff. However it planted the seeds for him, kind of like, say the same thing enough time, eventually even you beleive yourself. He was taught to spin the truth around enough, no one knows whats real anymore ( next up, politics). I like the way he likes to splash numbers around on his resume ( $41,600yr / Jennifer Vestal , $52,000/Helen Palmore, $33,000/Charles Freeman) because we are suppose to be impressed by that. I know I certainly am of course. It all spells loser to me.
I still worry that all this mess he created for himself will only be a cog in the gears, and within a few weeks/months/years from now, he will be back at it again. With his oversize ego, and addiction to the cash he grabbed through all this, he will not be able to earn an honest living elsewhere, regardless all those "impressive" numbers he flashes out there. First class loser in my book, here's hoping Chuck roughs up enough people they act, and he sees the inside for a while. :nana:
I have read some of his posts... a chunk of his resume.
I don't know him. Hope to never meet him. But... I am beginning to see a picture. And it isn't pretty.
He is a embellisher. Possibly a pathalogical liar, but I doubt it. Someone SO insecure, they have to punch it all up to sound even more impressive.
The difference I find between embellishers and pathalogical liars is that for the embellisher, there is truth behind it. This is how they can speak with a clear conscience. In their heart, they are not lying.
Now... there is one other classification (at least by my estimates) and that is someone who is a pathalogical embellisher. They just can't stop spinning everything. They must make the mundane incrediable. They punch up the average to such a point where it barely resembles the truth.
At the same time, they think they know everything. The best way for me to describe this is via example. I knew a guy back home who was rather smart, but not very knowledgeble on all things. He is a computer professional who had to know all about everything. And was somehow insignificant if not the expert on all things. The problem? He wasn't. What he DID know, for example, was X on a subject. He also knew "Y" on the subject. Which allowed him to make the leap to "Z", which he didn't know. For this example, he knew that engine controllers could be reprogrammed to get more power. He just had no clue on how it was done, but that didn't stop him from claiming that the local car dealer gave him the "microcode" to reprogram the ECU in his Pontiac Sunbird. This reprogram supposedly gained him 5hp or something stupid like that. I didn't know the specifics, but I knew it wasn't what he was saying, but since I didn't know for sure, I left it alone.
There is the other kind of embellisher... the one who agrees and acts like it was their own idea from the start. They are the most transparent. A friend was helping his mom by fixing the window sill. The wood was very rotten. So he fixes it with Bondo - yes, Jeff's favourite substance! It was obvious he didn't realize that wood expands at different rates than Bondo. When I brought it up, he was like, "uh, yea, I thought of that." Uh, yea, right, sure you did.
In short, I think he falls somewhere in there. More than likely the first person than the second. The bottom line is insecurity.
I am not a professional. I simply observe and report back what I have observed.
Bogus! You are so spot on here it's not funny. (And Truth! What an incredible word, and something totally withheld from our buddy, Jeff.)
Add to your list:
mountain high insecurities due to; a poor self-image, the persistent need to feel self-worth, constant (bettering) prevarication,
and the need to control.
I have changed my mind. I want him to become legit so he will have to comply. :cheers:
Chuck,
It's absolutely human to want to seek revenge. It's not the desire that is a problem; it's the act that can be.
Now, if you show civility, act legally, no problem. If one actually drives there and blows the place up, as I humorously suggested above, that is a different problem. And not the right way to deal.
I agree, this punk ass needs to be shut down. He is ripping people off left and right. Actually, I see no difference from what he is doing versus what Hennessey did a couple of years back.
And you know what was the final straw for Hennessey? The IRS.
I would contact the IRS, suggesting that fraud is being committed and that if BK is ripping off customers, why can't they be ripping off the IRS. It's not a big leap, is it?
I know that Jeff has retained legal councel, that's a great idea. However, he is only taking on civil issues. I honestly feel that criminal acts are being performed by the team at BK. I would be getting the local prosecutor involved. The amount of money that buyers are out constitute felony fraud...
Don't worry... your reactions are very normal... we should, though, collectively, resist the desire to voice our dreams of destruction. If one actually comes true, we could be very inconvienced.
Oh I don't mean to do anything outside of the law. :cheers: Trust me, I have covered all the bases far as the authorities go X10. :yesnod: Far as money, Just think about how much money over the last 7 or 8 years has gone into BK's hands. Millions of dollars have gone through this (what I call dumpy) place. So, where's the money gone ? :shruggy: It's not revenge I seek, it's justice. ;) Chuck...........
I'm working on it Neal.
Quote from: skip68 on April 13, 2009, 01:35:50 PM
I'm working on it Neal.
So, that means 'soon'? :smilielol:
Quote from: dstryr on April 13, 2009, 01:47:55 PM
Quote from: skip68 on April 13, 2009, 01:35:50 PM
I'm working on it Neal.
So, that means 'soon'? :smilielol:
:lol: :lol: :lol: Ya remember Neal, the American Legal system moves at the speed of Molasses in January.
Quote from: PocketThunder on April 13, 2009, 03:56:22 PM
Quote from: dstryr on April 13, 2009, 01:47:55 PM
Quote from: skip68 on April 13, 2009, 01:35:50 PM
I'm working on it Neal.
So, that means 'soon'? :smilielol:
:lol: :lol: :lol: Ya remember Neal, the American Legal system moves at the speed of Molasses in January.
Couldn't have said it better... I'm the type of person that expects results NOW.. It's been a harsh reality slap waiting.. And waiting.. And waiting.... (for my lawyer, not Chuck). I was hoping Brian would have a pc of paper with his name on it by now, but I learned today it hasn't gone out yet.
"There's a lot that hasn't been talked about here",
Not in the 146 pages?! :eek2:
Wish you'd turn your attention to solving world hunger or getting folks to use their turn signals... :lol:
The only thing Jeff will be roasting for world hunger is his tires!!!!!!!! yeah I said it...what...what??? :rofl:
Move to where the food is!
The biggest problem I've ran into is the jurisdiction game. I have 2 major agencies that both say we have a case against BK but say it's the others job. For the first 2 months the first agency went over it, thanked me for the proof and even had a meeting and decided that this was more for the other agency because of the jurisdiction. Ok fine. ::) Then after another 1 1/2 months I have this other agency telling me that there is a case here BUT, this will be kicked back to the local state agency. :brickwall: Now I'm on the phone with the State "AGAIN" and they give me another number to call. I call that number and guess who I get ? YEP, I'm back to the other agency. :brickwall: This has happened over and over again with several of the agencies I've talked to. Most have just been passing the buck within the agency. :brickwall: But now most of this game is done. Check this out guys, :smilielol: I have another state agency that waited two (2) months to get a response from Jeff. Why you ask ? Because when I told Jeff to file the complaint with this agency and that they were waiting for his email, Jeff filed it in "his" state and not Texas. :brickwall: :smilielol: :smilielol: Sorry Jeff. So, for about 2 months I thought this was done and was waiting for a response. I finally call only to have them tell me that they never heard from my friend. :brickwall: I call Jeff and that got fixed that day. :rofl: We have to laugh at some of this. I just got those other forms from Texas today that I will be sending to you jeff. The other problem is being 1500 miles away makes it harder to push people but all is moving forward. Texas is very slow and this problem is very big.
He didn't work in covert ops. If you go back and look, he was a driver, who happened to be in the psychological operations battalion. I can guarantee he was NOT an operative.
Jeff, your pm box is full.
Quote from: skip68 on April 13, 2009, 08:21:56 PM
Jeff, your pm box is full.
Yeah it's from all you're retarded messages!! :brickwall:
I'll go clear them now :icon_smile_big:
If you have taken enough pics and documented enough stuff make a website of the BK-based anguish that is your GL resto, that would be cool to see the progress.
Quote from: jb666 on April 13, 2009, 08:23:04 PM
Quote from: skip68 on April 13, 2009, 08:21:56 PM
Jeff, your pm box is full.
Yeah it's from all you're retarded messages!! :brickwall:
I'll go clear them now :icon_smile_big:
Skip must ride the :shortbus:
:smilielol: Very very short bus :icon_smile_big:
Quote from: skip68 on April 13, 2009, 09:33:09 PM
:smilielol: Very very short bus :icon_smile_big:
;)
Not
that short...Chuck knows where of he speaks. :icon_smile_wink: Thanks for doing this.
Dan
Quote from: teamroth on April 13, 2009, 06:39:56 PM
He didn't work in covert ops. If you go back and look, he was a driver, who happened to be in the psychological operations battalion. I can guarantee he was NOT an operative.
He may not have worked it, but he was trained in it.
I knew this ex-Marine... he was the most gung-ho ex-Marine I ever met. Man, he was into firearms, military history, hell, even his motorcycle was camo. And he never saw 1 second of combat. He worked his 4 year stint in the arsonal at Camp Lejeune.
Results, You got it. ;) I just got off the phone with Annie Pena at Mayor Bill Whites Office. I had a nice 40 min. phone call with her. She told me I have met my goal and done a great job of shutting BK Automotive down. She said I have to pat myself on the back as I have brought this to everyones attention and SUCCESSFULLY SHUT BK AUTOMOTIVE DOWN ! Don't worry about the internet site of his, he is shut down and on the radar. ;) She said and I quote, "You have gone farther than most people can get and I wish you were my friend". He is complying with all and trying to get a lic. and be legit. If anyone wants to call the Mayor's office and verify with Annie Pena what I've said, send me a pm and I will give you her number. I have done what I said I was going to do and BK has done what I said he was going to do. There are more things that I WILL NOT talk about but for now I have stopped him. ;) If he becomes legal and does his part more power to him. :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: Chuck............
Good Job!
I hear crickets from the naysayers bench. :rofl:
Quote from: bogus on April 14, 2009, 09:22:49 AM
Quote from: teamroth on April 13, 2009, 06:39:56 PM
He didn't work in covert ops. If you go back and look, he was a driver, who happened to be in the psychological operations battalion. I can guarantee he was NOT an operative.
He may not have worked it, but he was trained in it.
I knew this ex-Marine... he was the most gung-ho ex-Marine I ever met. Man, he was into firearms, military history, hell, even his motorcycle was camo. And he never saw 1 second of combat. He worked his 4 year stint in the arsonal at Camp Lejeune.
So, basically, he's like those dudes that buy used cop cars at auction, then drive around all day wearing blue, button down shirts and ray ban aviators? Or, is he Bill Paxton's character in True Lies - remember him - the used Corvette salesman?
I have given this much thought over the last few days and think it is best for all if BK becomes legal. He will then have to comply and be inspected like any other shop and do the right thing. If he went away, who would know what he is doing ? :yesnod: He has been caught and now he has to make it right. :2thumbs:
The big question now is: If he's goes legit, can he keep a business running?
Based on his actions here - alone - I would be doubtful.
Good job! :2thumbs:
Quote from: skip68 on April 14, 2009, 10:57:38 AM
Results, You got it. ;) I just got off the phone with Annie Pena at Mayor Bill Whites Office. I had a nice 40 min. phone call with her. She told me I have met my goal and done a great job of shutting BK Automotive down. She said I have to pat myself on the back as I have brought this to everyones attention and SUCCESSFULLY SHUT BK AUTOMOTIVE DOWN ! Don't worry about the internet site of his, he is shut down and on the radar. ;) She said and I quote, "You have gone farther than most people can get and I wish you were my friend". He is complying with all and trying to get a lic. and be legit. If anyone wants to call the Mayor's office and verify with Annie Pena what I've said, send me a pm and I will give you her number. I have done what I said I was going to do and BK has done what I said he was going to do. There are more things that I WILL NOT talk about but for now I have stopped him. ;) If he becomes legal and does his part more power to him. :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: Chuck............
:notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy:
Well played sir.
Quote from: dodgecharger-fan on April 14, 2009, 12:02:53 PM
The big question now is: If he's goes legit, can he keep a business running?
Based on his actions here - alone - I would be doubtful.
Good job! :2thumbs:
Better yet, IF he can/is able to go "legit" can he learn how to build a car the right way or will he just be a LICENSED HACK for the rest of his days??
Quote from: bogus on April 14, 2009, 09:22:49 AM
Quote from: teamroth on April 13, 2009, 06:39:56 PM
He didn't work in covert ops. If you go back and look, he was a driver, who happened to be in the psychological operations battalion. I can guarantee he was NOT an operative.
He may not have worked it, but he was trained in it.
I knew this ex-Marine... he was the most gung-ho ex-Marine I ever met. Man, he was into firearms, military history, hell, even his motorcycle was camo. And he never saw 1 second of combat. He worked his 4 year stint in the arsonal at Camp Lejeune.
There's no such thing as an ex-Marine.
The way I see it, 2 good things happened here.
1) BK was shut down for a while and maybe will clean up his act.
2) The WORLD now knows his business name and personal name and some have even seen a picture or two of him. Lets hope JB's long hard lesson to the World clings to other peoples minds and everyone learns from his troubles.
Something tells me this is NOT the last we will here about the Bondo King of Texas. My bet is that some day he screws over some guy with a bent nose and it will be his last screwing.....
Good job to both Chuck and JB.
:METAL:
Good Job Skip68!!
Come on Neal...Don't be part of the problem. Great Job Chuck :2thumbs:
I think it's great news, and great work.. But I personally want to hear that the building is empty and Thomas is looking for a job to pay off his $75k in fines for running an illegal business for all these years.. Not that he's going to go "legal" and screw people "legally". Not one piece from this car was done right, NOTHING. Had they done one thing right I'd say "Well, they did _____ all right, maybe they aren't half bad", but this car was the most butchered pile of crap to hit the streets... I DO NOT THINK Thomas/BK can build a nice car, especially one that anyone should spend their hard earned $$ for. PERIOD.
BTW, I placed an ad in the PARTS WANTED section, but I found out today my rear window trim is total trash. BK bent the trim to Hell and made it functional so they could GLUE it to the car.. It can't be fixed and will never clip in.
Does anyone here have a decent rear window trim?? I'd like driver quality, I'm not looking for a show pc... :cheers:
What I'd like to know is how the guy made the leap from drawing pictures to chief bodyman and painter. He's pretty young and the resume did not mention mechanical work experience. :shruggy:
Good point dstryr. That's what I was saying a bit ago. Has anyone seen a certified mechanic there ? If Thomas is not then that makes it even more scary that they are building cars. But, it does explain the reason why this car was built the way it was. :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol:
Quote from: bigcountry on April 14, 2009, 12:18:49 PM
Quote from: bogus on April 14, 2009, 09:22:49 AM
Quote from: teamroth on April 13, 2009, 06:39:56 PM
He didn't work in covert ops. If you go back and look, he was a driver, who happened to be in the psychological operations battalion. I can guarantee he was NOT an operative.
He may not have worked it, but he was trained in it.
I knew this ex-Marine... he was the most gung-ho ex-Marine I ever met. Man, he was into firearms, military history, hell, even his motorcycle was camo. And he never saw 1 second of combat. He worked his 4 year stint in the arsonal at Camp Lejeune.
There's no such thing as an ex-Marine.
Amen BigCountry!
Bogus, I am not arguing with you, but I was a Marine for 8 years, and I can tell you, psychological training is something he does not have. That is something given to a very select few, and I doubt he could pass the psych eval required for entry. He would have posted his certificate on his web page.
Great JOB Chuckles! You are the man.
Quote from: bigcountry on April 14, 2009, 12:18:49 PM
Quote from: bogus on April 14, 2009, 09:22:49 AM
Quote from: teamroth on April 13, 2009, 06:39:56 PM
He didn't work in covert ops. If you go back and look, he was a driver, who happened to be in the psychological operations battalion. I can guarantee he was NOT an operative.
He may not have worked it, but he was trained in it.
I knew this ex-Marine... he was the most gung-ho ex-Marine I ever met. Man, he was into firearms, military history, hell, even his motorcycle was camo. And he never saw 1 second of combat. He worked his 4 year stint in the arsonal at Camp Lejeune.
There's no such thing as an ex-Marine.
Good eye big guy. I'm sure your wife will agree as she, and all who have served our country in the armed forces are FORMER armed forces personal. He is a former Marine.
:cheers:
Good Job Skippy!!! :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
Thanks guys. :cheers: phase #1 complete. :2thumbs: Thanks to the DC.com Moderators and Troy for letting this happen and keeping it clean. :cheers: Chuck..........
Good job Chuck. :2thumbs: I am glad your hard work is paying off.
Quote from: bigred68 on April 14, 2009, 06:45:37 PM
Quote from: bigcountry on April 14, 2009, 12:18:49 PM
Quote from: bogus on April 14, 2009, 09:22:49 AM
Quote from: teamroth on April 13, 2009, 06:39:56 PM
He didn't work in covert ops. If you go back and look, he was a driver, who happened to be in the psychological operations battalion. I can guarantee he was NOT an operative.
He may not have worked it, but he was trained in it.
I knew this ex-Marine... he was the most gung-ho ex-Marine I ever met. Man, he was into firearms, military history, hell, even his motorcycle was camo. And he never saw 1 second of combat. He worked his 4 year stint in the arsonal at Camp Lejeune.
There's no such thing as an ex-Marine.
Good eye big guy. I'm sure your wife will agree as she, and all who have served our country in the armed forces are FORMER armed forces personal. He is a former Marine.
:cheers:
Nope, no such thing as a former Marine either.....Once a Marine, Always a Marine. Semper Fi.
Really,,,,,, so they're gone, kaput............ I'll have to swing by their former shop and check it out......... I was under the impression they were moving from the Spring Branch area of Houston..............
Troy
I do understand what you are saying. You don't "join" the Marines. You "become" a Marine. And that doesn't change just because you are not in the Marines anymore. :2thumbs:
I think this is one time you could call someone an "ex-marine" though. He certainly does not exemplify what a marine is by his actions. Just my opinion.
Quote from: dstryr on April 14, 2009, 06:05:36 PM
What I'd like to know is how the guy made the leap from drawing pictures to chief bodyman and painter. He's pretty young and the resume did not mention mechanical work experience. :shruggy:
Alot of people that run these type of shops never touched Bondo or a Spraygun in there Life. There only good at Bullshitting people & trying to make Money. I see it all the time. They run the office & hire guys like me to do the actual work while they are clueless but convince you they are not & know whats going on when they dont, or only a little. Some do paint & Body work but not very good at it. Some are but small %. I can see him become Legit by buying a Booth ect. & then it's business as usual, nothing will change. :shruggy: :Twocents: LEON.
Quote from: hemi-hampton on April 15, 2009, 04:52:08 PM
Quote from: dstryr on April 14, 2009, 06:05:36 PM
What I'd like to know is how the guy made the leap from drawing pictures to chief bodyman and painter. He's pretty young and the resume did not mention mechanical work experience. :shruggy:
Alot of people that run these type of shops never touched Bondo or a Spraygun in there Life. There only good at Bullshitting people & trying to make Money. I see it all the time. They run the office & hire guys like me to do the actual work while they are clueless but convince you they are not & know whats going on when they dont, or only a little. Some do paint & Body work but not very good at it. Some are but small %. I can see him become Legit by buying a Booth ect. & then it's business as usual, nothing will change. :shruggy: :Twocents: LEON.
I'm afraid you're probably right. Much like Hans, he might change his shirt, his business name, but certainly not his practices...
Thanks General_01 for the support and the help on the side. :cheers: hemi-hampton, You are right far as business as usual to a point. But like I said, this is still not over and I hope BK becomes legit. :icon_smile_big: In fact, I hope he becomes very legit and does everything right. :2thumbs:
Yes, I would hope so too, He becomes Legit & does things right, meaning Quality work. Congratulations on your persistance & work so far. LEON.
Quote from: hemi-hampton on April 15, 2009, 05:43:56 PM
Yes, I would hope so too, He becomes Legit & does things right, meaning Quality work. Congratulations are your persistance & work so far. LEON.
Ok, I can understand how one would go "legal". Get licensed, get the shop inspected, pay your taxes, and do things right (business), but how do you go from being a total butcher creating some of the worst cars to ever hit the road to suddenly being able to "do it right"?? In my opinion he'd have to hire people that knew what they were doing to build his reputation back up. There's no way HE can do it on his own. He's a bullshitting business man, not a body man, not a fabricator, not a mechanic. The only thing Thomas should be doing is answering a phone and leaving the real work to the skilled professionals.
Quote from: hemi-hampton on April 15, 2009, 04:52:08 PM
Quote from: dstryr on April 14, 2009, 06:05:36 PM
What I'd like to know is how the guy made the leap from drawing pictures to chief bodyman and painter. He's pretty young and the resume did not mention mechanical work experience. :shruggy:
Alot of people that run these type of shops never touched Bondo or a Spraygun in there Life. There only good at Bullshitting people & trying to make Money. I see it all the time. They run the office & hire guys like me to do the actual work while they are clueless but convince you they are not & know whats going on when they dont, or only a little. Some do paint & Body work but not very good at it. Some are but small %. I can see him become Legit by buying a Booth ect. & then it's business as usual, nothing will change. :shruggy: :Twocents: LEON.
yep thats soo true :yesnod: seen it many times !! got all the chat & buzz words .... but give them a bondo spreader , paint gun ..wrench & its :scratchchin: :scared: :confused: ............
I've worked at place's where I've done good work & the owner will say your taking to much time, Hurry up, forget this, forget that, forget the sand blasting, forget the cut out welded patch, just Bondo it, Hurry up, just get it done, Today, not tomorrow. Some times it's the boss that orders his workers to just do garbage crap work because it's faster & makes them more money. Many dont care if it last A month or 5 years. It's hard for this type of Bodyshop owner to all the sudden make a turn around & do things right. Some know how but just won't, some just don't know how to do it right. :rotz: LEON.
Quote from: hemi-hampton on April 15, 2009, 05:58:35 PM
I've worked at place's where I've done good work & the owner will say your taking to much time, Hurry up, forget this, forget that, forget the sand blasting, forget the cut out welded patch, just Bondo it, Hurry up, just get it done, Today, not tomorrow. Some times it's the boss that orders his workers to just do garbage crap work because it's faster & makes them more money. Many dont care if it last A month or 5 years. It's hard for this type of Bodyshop owner to all the sudden make a turn around & do things right. Some know how but just won't, some just don't know how to do it right. :rotz: LEON.
Very true, and very sad.. I know that if I owned a body/paint shop I'd want to be able to see a car I painted 3 years down the road and have it look just as nice as the day it rolled out of the shop.. Imagine not caring about the "big picture"?? Immediate gratification with no concern of the long run is no way to run a shop, but like you said, so many shop owners only care about payday, quantity and quick turn-around.
I think the issue here is capital. If he had it, or any other owner for that matter, he could take the time to do the job right with guys like leon, brian, justin, and a bunch of others, that i apologize for leaving out but i'd be here all night. In other words, the money is there up front to do the work correctly and takes as long as it takes. Vehicle is finished, owner gets paid and the train keeps steaming along. IMO, and my short lived experience, most shops run off other peoples money and that drives poor work.
So, that being said, I don't see how TS(bk) can turn it around and make it a profitable business right out of the box because he does not have the money to sit back and let it happen. Unless he's hiding all that money still.(that still baffles me by the way) Where's the godamn money?
:icon_smile_big: Yes Mike, Where is the money ? :icon_smile_big: I do not want him to disappear. I want him to try and save/keep the BK name all he can and do all he can and spend allllllll the money he can to become a 100% real restoration shop. :yesnod: I know it sounds crazy and strange coming from me but, this is what we want. ;) Give me a call sometime Jeff. :cheers:
Quote from: mikepmcs on April 15, 2009, 06:05:22 PM
I think the issue here is capital. If he had it, or any other owner for that matter, he could take the time to do the job right with guys like leon, brian, justin, and a bunch of others, that i apologize for leaving out but i'd be here all night. In other words, the money is there up front to do the work correctly and takes as long as it takes. Vehicle is finished, owner gets paid and the train keeps steaming along. IMO, and my short lived experience, most shops run off other peoples money and that drives poor work.
So, that being said, I don't see how TS(bk) can turn it around and make it a profitable business right out of the box because he does not have the money to sit back and let it happen. Unless he's hiding all that money still.(that still baffles me by the way) Where's the godamn money?
Mystery solved! That's why the fab shop at BK is located next to the copy machine and the receptionists desk! He didn't have the working capitol!
All kidding aside, I agree with you mike, it's also the same formula that sinks home builders and contractors. They can't manage the money on long term jobs. The body guy who's doing my charger won't take my money sometimes. Every time I see him i offer to pay him more....He said that he'd rather go slower on the payments. Otherwise, he said, we could get to the end and he'd feel like he did the job for nothing. Yet every time I go, work is progressing along nicely. He has enough money to keep the shop open. When the jobs are done, he gets a nice chunk. aside from the benefit of doing business the right way and managing his money right, i have to think that it's a real feeling of satisfaction to hand over a car to a happy customer and get a nice fat envelope.
it should be about quality, not quantity.
I think it will be more quality now. It has to be because there was NO quality before. :smilielol: The bottom line is that he is complying and as far as I know doing what he should. There is nothing else we can do about that nor should we. We have exposed him and now that part is done. :2thumbs: :cheers: I bet in the next few months if he gets licensed he will be inspected and pass and that is what we want. :yesnod: Jeff's car stuff is not over and that will play out in the months to come. We have done our job to bring BK Automotive to the public's attention and it looks like he is doing his part so we must leave it at that. I'm not happy at all with BK and I'm not on his side but, there is only so much that we can do and I feel that we have done it. :2thumbs: Chuck............
ok.....how about some pics... little less chat....a little more pics... :2thumbs:
OK, Here a Pic for you. Here's a Quality job. I worked on the car a little & then Quite the shop before it got Painted. It was at the 2009 Detroit Autorama. Cost for Resto you ask? $300,000.00 (300k) I'm told. LEON.
2 more I worked on. Rare Judge Conv too. Price of Resto I hear was only $150,000+ each on these 2. Enjoy. LEON.
WOW, Hemi.. Just WOW.
I have no pictures to contribute until Saturday, but I CAN NOT WAIT to head there... The car will be in primer!!!!!
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Quote from: teamroth on April 13, 2009, 06:39:56 PM
He didn't work in covert ops. If you go back and look, he was a driver, who happened to be in the psychological operations battalion. I can guarantee he was NOT an operative.
He may not have worked it, but he was trained in it.
I knew this ex-Marine... he was the most gung-ho ex-Marine I ever met. Man, he was into firearms, military history, hell, even his motorcycle was camo. And he never saw 1 second of combat. He worked his 4 year stint in the arsonal at Camp Lejeune.
So, basically, he's like those dudes that buy used cop cars at auction, then drive around all day wearing blue, button down shirts and ray ban aviators? Or, is he Bill Paxton's character in True Lies - remember him - the used Corvette salesman?
The guy was an absolute wuss. He worked at the army navy store. Talked all rough and tough, but there was the slightly effeminate flair to it. It was like the nerd trying to be tough. It just didn't work.
I know the mantra, Once a Marine, Always a Marine. I respect that 100%. However, that dude was just a drip.
I suspect he was stuffed away in the armory for a lack of a better place to stuff him. I can't imagine he would last 30 seconds in a real combat role.
A couple of general thoughts:
1. Skip - You rock! Way to go! :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: Major congrats for bringing him back down to earth!
2. Those Pontiacs look SWEET. $300k spent on that GTO sure looks nice, but it will never ever be worth that kinda $$$. The $150k spent on each of the Judges was better... but the way the muscle car market has taken a dump... oh, well.
The 71 GTO Judge Convertible is insanely rare with only a handfull made & known to exist & was a 1/2 Million+ ($500,000+) car :o just a few years ago before prices dropped recently. LEON.
Geez Leon, ONLY 150K ??
Sounds like a BK special !! :rofl: :rofl: :nana:
Update --- The car is officially in primer!!!!!!!!!! I'll be down tomorrow, for the usual Saturday photo shoot (and to pick my wheels up). Should be pretty a cool visit!!!
Nice...Can't wait to see the pics!!!!!
Quote from: captnsim on April 17, 2009, 05:00:36 PM
Nice...Can't wait to see the pics!!!!!
I can't wait to see it. This is the beginning of another chapter.. The NO MORE SURPRISES chapter!!! One BIG step closer to paint!!!
And even with all the extra BK'd crap that popped up...your still fairly close to the time frame you set way back. Not bad...not bad at all :cheers:
Quote from: captnsim on April 17, 2009, 05:11:04 PM
And even with all the extra BK'd crap that popped up...your still fairly close to the time frame you set way back. Not bad...not bad at all :cheers:
I can only give credit to the two shops that did all the work.. It's amazing that my car's not sitting in a barn falling apart right now waiting for a 'slot' to open somewhere..
You're right though, originally it was a "Spring" estimate.. Well, it's not too far off at all!!!
:2thumbs: Sounds like that shop has attacked it with "VENGENCE" wouldn't you say ? :nana: This is a good sign. :2thumbs: I would say to make sure the motor mount on the drivers side has been upgraded (firefighter Ron's method) just to be safe. :yesnod: Talk to Ron, he knows about those. :2thumbs: Other than that, I can't wait to see it too. Chuck..............
The Time frame is fairly close but I'm curious if the Price range stayed fairly close? LEON.
Quote from: hemi-hampton on April 17, 2009, 08:22:58 PM
The Time frame is fairly close but I'm curious if the Price range stayed fairly close? LEON.
What price range?? I never had an amount in my head... If I did I'm POSITIVE I'd be over!!! :smilielol:
Thought they quoted you a Price from the start? LEON.
Quote from: hemi-hampton on April 18, 2009, 10:02:17 AM
Thought they quoted you a Price from the start? LEON.
they who?? It's been to more than one shop and I'm on target with both so far. Keep in mind that a TON of things have popped up in this project that were not 'scheduled'. The blasting, all of the extra metal work, etc... So basing my (shop) experiences on a "quoted price" would be unrealistic.
Pictures soon. I'm on my way home
Picture Saturday. :woohoo: :buff:
Ok, it's picture time... The car is in primer, as I said before!! I was happy to walk in and see the guide coat on , as well!! A few 'pinhole' spots(not rot, but spots in the body work) have been marked off as the work is really underway... The car is heading back to Jon's shop on Monday where the push bar and torque boxes will be welded in , so there will be more pictures coming before next Saturday :lol:
Anyways, I'm VERY pleased that the car is WHOLE and moving forward like this.. The nose will be coming off next to finish off the jam job and get those impossible to reach areas, but here's a sneak peak of the car inside the booth (for the first time since it's rebuild!!).
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TO BE CONTINUED...
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And yes...........
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A few random shots. First, the famous ice cream truck...
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And a really cool little Hot Rod...
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:cheers: :cheers:
aww man that looks good all primered up :yesnod: yeah they put stopper in any bondo pinholes ..some paint shop guys do it before flatting , some after flatting :yesnod: ...looks there is going to be some serious flatting going on monday :yesnod: ........ :2thumbs: ............ :popcrn:
very nice.... very nice indeedio! :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
Quote from: mikepmcs on April 18, 2009, 11:19:51 AM
Picture Saturday. :woohoo: :buff:
Did you eat to much candy again? You swear photos was going out of season with that reply :smilielol:
Sorry man, I couldn't resist that one for ya.
Jeff, the car is looking good so far man. They are truely doing a good job on it so far. That is the kind of work that BK should "have" done before. :shruggy:
Yep, I'm VERY happy after today's visit.. These guys really are awesome. I've said it 100X, I know, but oh well, I'll beat that dead horse..
I wanted to make sure you guys knew that my wheels cleaned up perfectly.. I just fired over the pressure washer for the first time this Spring and spent about 1.5 hours on my wheels.. Then I brought out the drier and dried each wheel/tire off before putting them on their blanket for storage!!
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It's pretty funny, but in my garage right now I have my:
Old rear quarters(LOADED with Bondo)
Exhaust tubing roll bar
front and back seats
carpet kit
dynamat
wheels & tires
LOADS of misc body/metal parts.
I think next Saturday night I'll go down and build the old "General Lee" for photo purposes , all I need to make it complete is one of those foam engines :lol:
Looks Really nice Jeff, Your Gonna have a nice GL when this is all said and done.
Ron
thank god you posted some pics...... its nice to see the progress with the charger...when do you expect to see paint?? any clue. sorry if you already answered these questions.... but its hard to read all these threads with so much other talk other than talk about your particular car..... more pics and more updates on your car.....
Quote from: autodynamics on April 18, 2009, 05:07:33 PM
thank god you posted some pics...... its nice to see the progress with the charger...when do you expect to see paint?? any clue. sorry if you already answered these questions.... but its hard to read all these threads with so much other talk other than talk about your particular car..... more pics and more updates on your car.....
I must be missing other threads about my car somewhere :lol:
I'm not 100% sure about the paint date.... I don't like deadlines, I'd just like the car to be done right and look great... I'll have new glass for the car this week, and more pictures after the welding is done at Jon's shop. :cheers:
Quote from: jb666 on November 26, 2008, 06:34:32 AM
First,its too late to even think about turning back.
Second, this isn't costing the amount some of you are assuming it is. A solid roller would run me $6k+.
To me, this project is gratifying knowing it'll be done right.
In this Quote you say " This isn't costing the amount some of you are assuming it is"
Is this still the Case :scratchchin: :shruggy: LEON.
Quote from: hemi-hampton on April 18, 2009, 06:13:11 PM
Quote from: jb666 on November 26, 2008, 06:34:32 AM
First,its too late to even think about turning back.
Second, this isn't costing the amount some of you are assuming it is. A solid roller would run me $6k+.
To me, this project is gratifying knowing it'll be done right.
In this Quote you say " This isn't costing the amount some of you are assuming it is"
Is this still the Case :scratchchin: :shruggy: LEON.
Holy Crap Leon! That quote has to be from before the front clip, passenger post, and tail panel were added to the project. My guess is it went past that. Not that I need to know. I am just thinking that alot has been added to the initial 'replace the quarters and put a roll bar in' phase.
Quote from: General_01 on April 18, 2009, 07:18:34 PM
Quote from: hemi-hampton on April 18, 2009, 06:13:11 PM
Quote from: jb666 on November 26, 2008, 06:34:32 AM
First,its too late to even think about turning back.
Second, this isn't costing the amount some of you are assuming it is. A solid roller would run me $6k+.
To me, this project is gratifying knowing it'll be done right.
In this Quote you say " This isn't costing the amount some of you are assuming it is"
Is this still the Case :scratchchin: :shruggy: LEON.
Holy Crap Leon! That quote has to be from before the front clip, passenger post, and tail panel were added to the project. My guess is it went past that. Not that I need to know. I am just thinking that alot has been added to the initial 'replace the quarters and put a roll bar in' phase.
Seriously. That "quote" was when it all began.. I'm not posting what I'm into this for on the forum. It's gone beyond what I thought it was in November, obviously, but what I'm into it for TOTAL isn't really anyone's business.
Leon -- I sent you a PM :cheers: :cheers:
Just keep one thing in mind, I'm TRYING to stay on a budget here. I didn't hand these guys a blank check and say "Go crazy!". They are doing INCREDIBLE work for what they are getting paid. I am grateful every time I see it. :cheers:
I was scrolling through all your pics with the intent of commenting about hoping the vectors were removed..... ;D I see you are definately one step ahead fo us all. Nice work. Lookin goood :cheers:
Quote from: charger01 on April 18, 2009, 07:50:16 PM
I was scrolling through all your pics with the intent of commenting about hoping the vectors were removed..... ;D I see you are definately one step ahead fo us all. Nice work. Lookin goood :cheers:
Well, a couple of people had mentioned getting the wheels off and before the car hit the booth it was definitely in the works, so we wanted to make sure you saw they were off :icon_smile_big:
You're doing everything right.......This car is going to be incredible.
nice car!! work looks great.
so how does the payments go for a project like this? do they ask for some money up front? pay as they go? lump payments?
just curious as to how a huge project is paid, don't need prices.
Quote from: charger01 on April 18, 2009, 08:55:10 PM
You're doing everything right.......This car is going to be incredible.
Thank you.
Quote from: NMike on April 18, 2009, 08:56:58 PM
nice car!! work looks great.
so how does the payments go for a project like this? do they ask for some money up front? pay as they go? lump payments?
just curious as to how a huge project is paid, don't need prices.
Yes, a deposit is required to start and then I make payments from there.
She's looking great buddy... Love the new avatar also..... :2thumbs:
Your next Avatar will be with it being Orange :2thumbs: LEON.
P.S. For the record my Mopar shop did not do those 3 GTO's, I worked on those 2+ years ago when I worked at a GM resto shop. I take very little credit for those. My point was a 1st place 100 point show car will cost you.
WOW ! Looking great my friend. :cheers:
Wow, it really looks good. :2thumbs:
I'm Duncan Hines moist right now.
I love the progress. Everything aligns, wow!
Thanks guys, I appreciate it. It'll be a good few weeks coming up!!
OMG Jeff!!!! Someone stole your POS car and replaced it with a almost mint one :o
Looking good...I can't wait to see it in the "mystery" colour...
Quote from: captnsim on April 19, 2009, 10:32:19 AM
OMG Jeff!!!! Someone stole your POS car and replaced it with a almost mint one :o
Looking good...I can't wait to see it in the "mystery" colour...
I'll tell ya one thing I was going to do to mess with you guys ... I was going to have them mix some Orange in with the primer and post "It's PAINTED!!!!!!!!!" , and proceed with the "They tell me it'll buff out nice and should shine a little bit"... But I didn't want to push it!!
Another interesting story.. Yesterday when I was at the shop a guy came in , that I didn't know.. He says to me "Want to hear something funny? My girlfriend's father has a friend that's selling a Cuda. We started talking, and he lives across the country. Well, the guy says to me how nice it is to know an honest shop, and to check out this link to someone that got screwed".
Guess where that link was?? :o Yep, HERE! Talk about a small world...
THE WORD IS OUT!!!!!!!!!!
That paint prank would have :stirthepot: :yesnod:
Quote from: jb666 on April 19, 2009, 10:35:38 AM
Quote from: captnsim on April 19, 2009, 10:32:19 AM
OMG Jeff!!!! Someone stole your POS car and replaced it with a almost mint one :o
Looking good...I can't wait to see it in the "mystery" colour...
I'll tell ya one thing I was going to do to mess with you guys ... I was going to have them mix some Orange in with the primer and post "It's PAINTED!!!!!!!!!" , and proceed with the "They tell me it'll buff out nice and should shine a little bit"... But I didn't want to push it!!
Another interesting story.. Yesterday when I was at the shop a guy came in , that I didn't know.. He says to me "Want to hear something funny? My girlfriend's father has a friend that's selling a Cuda. We started talking, and he lives across the country. Well, the guy says to me how nice it is to know an honest shop, and to check out this link to someone that got screwed".
Guess where that link was?? :o Yep, HERE! Talk about a small world...
THE WORD IS OUT!!!!!!!!!!
19 days late on the prank jeff....
Quote from: jb666 on April 19, 2009, 10:35:38 AM
Quote from: captnsim on April 19, 2009, 10:32:19 AM
OMG Jeff!!!! Someone stole your POS car and replaced it with a almost mint one :o
Looking good...I can't wait to see it in the "mystery" colour...
I'll tell ya one thing I was going to do to mess with you guys ... I was going to have them mix some Orange in with the primer and post "It's PAINTED!!!!!!!!!" , and proceed with the "They tell me it'll buff out nice and should shine a little bit"... But I didn't want to push it!!
Another interesting story.. Yesterday when I was at the shop a guy came in , that I didn't know.. He says to me "Want to hear something funny? My girlfriend's father has a friend that's selling a Cuda. We started talking, and he lives across the country. Well, the guy says to me how nice it is to know an honest shop, and to check out this link to someone that got screwed".
Guess where that link was?? :o Yep, HERE! Talk about a small world...
THE WORD IS OUT!!!!!!!!!!
You could say it was stolen and Skip68 is trying to find it...... :D
Edit. Car looks great BTW. :2thumbs:
Quote from: Back N Black on April 19, 2009, 02:32:49 PM
Quote from: jb666 on April 19, 2009, 10:35:38 AM
Quote from: captnsim on April 19, 2009, 10:32:19 AM
OMG Jeff!!!! Someone stole your POS car and replaced it with a almost mint one :o
Looking good...I can't wait to see it in the "mystery" colour...
I'll tell ya one thing I was going to do to mess with you guys ... I was going to have them mix some Orange in with the primer and post "It's PAINTED!!!!!!!!!" , and proceed with the "They tell me it'll buff out nice and should shine a little bit"... But I didn't want to push it!!
Another interesting story.. Yesterday when I was at the shop a guy came in , that I didn't know.. He says to me "Want to hear something funny? My girlfriend's father has a friend that's selling a Cuda. We started talking, and he lives across the country. Well, the guy says to me how nice it is to know an honest shop, and to check out this link to someone that got screwed".
Guess where that link was?? :o Yep, HERE! Talk about a small world...
THE WORD IS OUT!!!!!!!!!!
You could say it was stolen and Skip68 is trying to find it...... :D
Edit. Car looks great BTW. :2thumbs:
...and my remarkable restraint goes for 'naught.... :icon_smile_wink:
Dan
Oh, yes, the car is looking fine!
Quote from: jb666 on April 19, 2009, 10:35:38 AM
Yesterday when I was at the shop a guy came in , that I didn't know.. He says to me "Want to hear something funny? My girlfriend's father has a friend that's selling a Cuda. We started talking, and he lives across the country. Well, the guy says to me how nice it is to know an honest shop, and to check out this link to someone that got screwed".
Guess where that link was?? :o Yep, HERE! Talk about a small world...
THE WORD IS OUT!!!!!!!!!!
Small world for sure. :2thumbs:
Car is looking awesome man!
Thanks guys. I can't believe the journey this has been.. Would I do it over again? Not in a million years...
:cheers:
Paint booth ? :smilielol: That car has never been in a paint booth until now. EVER !
3000 and ONE!
Congrats on the progress so far....this GL is going to be amazing!
Haha I was about to do that... I guess that makes it 3002. :lol:
It is looking good. I'm anxious to see the finished product.
Quote from: Tilar on April 19, 2009, 04:37:00 PM
Haha I was about to do that... I guess that makes it 3002. :lol:
It is looking good. I'm anxious to see the finished product.
I'm anxious to take that first ride! The new tranny & torque converter should really make the car come to life..
And you won't have the worry of the rear end of the car falling apart. :yesnod: Oh, and the gas tank falling off. :rotz:
Way off topic, but cool none the less. Chucks 3000th post was also the 3000th post on this thread. Creepy huh? lol
The car looks awesome!
:o Now that is down right spooky. :o What are the odds of that ? :smilielol:
Quote from: skip68 on April 19, 2009, 09:29:30 PM
:o Now that is down right spooky. :o What are the odds of that ? :smilielol:
I was just thinking the same very thing here as while! :o
I thought it was kind of a cool fun fact.
Jeff,
Still looking for seats?? They're in 'Bama' though
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,56254.0/topicseen.html
Quote from: mikepmcs on April 20, 2009, 04:31:55 PM
Jeff,
Still looking for seats?? They're in 'Bama' though
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,56254.0/topicseen.html
Thanks Mike.. I changed gears on this one, due to cost.. I was going to buy something a bit more "modern", but instead I'll just have mine recovered properly.. :cheers: :cheers:
Don't you have two drivers seats ? I thought that you said BK put in two drivers side seats. :shruggy:
Yes, there are two driver's seats in my car. The only thing it effects is the side the lever is on. I can live with that until I find a set that I really like (not factory).
JB, I believe you can just change the seat tracks from two drivers to one of each. No need to change the seats themselves...
Hope you're feeling better Steve. :wave:
Doesn't the seats have lift arms to pull up before you put the seat back up? and if so, I belive that these arms are on the out side of the seat. In which case, if you have to driver seats the one will be in the right place but yet the pass side one will be on the inside next to colsol. If you has two pass seats it will be the other way around. :shruggy:
Oh crap. Sorry. Had not thought of that.... I better stick to my 65'.. :brickwall:
Quote from: Steve P. on April 21, 2009, 03:37:58 PM
Oh crap. Sorry. Had not thought of that.... I better stick to my 65'.. :brickwall:
Hey, no problem bud, we all have those days where we for getabout small items on car parts. Alot of folks do over look the small release arms on the seats though at times. :shruggy:
It's been awhile since I had my seats apart but I thought the seat release levers could go on either side.. :shruggy:
Quote from: runningman on April 22, 2009, 05:16:08 AM
It's been awhile since I had my seats apart but I thought the seat release levers could go on either side.. :shruggy:
It's what I was told, too, but I can't confirm that. If so I'd love to simply switch the mechanism and be done.. I'm not interested in dropping $1k into a set of seats right now...
Quote from: jb666 on April 22, 2009, 04:56:40 PM
Quote from: runningman on April 22, 2009, 05:16:08 AM
It's been awhile since I had my seats apart but I thought the seat release levers could go on either side.. :shruggy:
It's what I was told, too, but I can't confirm that. If so I'd love to simply switch the mechanism and be done.. I'm not interested in dropping $1k into a set of seats right now...
The seat release levers can go on either side of the frame, I just swapped mine over recently.
Quote from: 68r/t on April 22, 2009, 06:21:46 PM
Quote from: jb666 on April 22, 2009, 04:56:40 PM
Quote from: runningman on April 22, 2009, 05:16:08 AM
It's been awhile since I had my seats apart but I thought the seat release levers could go on either side.. :shruggy:
It's what I was told, too, but I can't confirm that. If so I'd love to simply switch the mechanism and be done.. I'm not interested in dropping $1k into a set of seats right now...
The seat release levers can go on either side of the frame, I just swapped mine over recently.
You learn somthing new each day, I didn't know you could do that to the seats release levers.
Sounds to me like all Jeff needs to do is just have one switch around.. and he will have another seat that he needs.
Well Jeff, tomorrow is picture day again. I wonder what you'll be showing us in photos this time.
Mike I got this one...
:ricky: :woohoo: :boogie: Picture day tommorow :boogie: :woohoo: :ricky:
Man, it's like a ghost town around here now. :leaving: I'll come back for the pictures I guess. :icon_smile_big:
Yeah...It's hard to keep the BK hate going with no bad news poping up...Can't you make something up Chuck?
Well, I've got good news, and I've got bad news...
The good news is the car spent the past couple of days at Jon's shop... The front push bar has been modified so it can come on/off the car with ease, in case the time comes that I need to remove it and don't want to cut a weld. It's also very strong now, not like BK had it.. Before, if you hit the sit of it you could move it 3-4" side to side. Real nice...
The bad news is that the car's not going to be at the body shop when I'm there in the morning and Jon's up racing for the weekend... So no car pictures....
The BETTER news is that it's been sitting out in the sun and is drying nicely.. The paint work isn't far in the future now!!!! :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
So sorry, I'll have to disappoint this week...
On another note, I'll be returning AutoRust's torque boxes. Without getting into any details, they will not be installed on my vehicle. I'm not saying anything bad about them, they just aren't for me :2thumbs: :2thumbs: It was a very nice offer and I will make sure they arrive in his hands in the same condition they arrived in mine. :cheers: :cheers:
Don't call me "up Chuck" Roy. :nana: No pics ? That sucks.
Jeff, would you mind snapping a pic of the mod Jon did to the bar so I can replicate it, if he doesn't mind. I built my long bar but I also need some side to side support. Mine weighs a good 50 pounds BTW When I do get off my butt and get it back together, I'm gonna run into stuff just to knock it over. :lol:
Good thing I didn't ask to come down this week then.
Mike
No Pics... :-\ :'( :cryin: :icon_smile_sad: :bawling:
Quote from: skip68 on April 24, 2009, 06:02:22 PM
Don't call me "up Chuck" Roy. :nana: Make something up ? :scratchchin: Why yes I can. :scratchchin: I gave Tommy a call to say I hope he does well in the next few months. He said thanks for helping him see the light and then said "Whatever Jeff paid you to shut me down, I will double it to look into Jeff's past and post it on the Charger site". So, since I needed the money I said you got it. :2thumbs: Here is what I got so far. Long long ago, far far away, in a town of sinners, one man held the key to life. This mans name was Jeff and the key to life of which he held was love. He spoke of love to all and all loved him for that, even farm animals. He spent many nights on the farm learning about love instead of being with his friends. Well, one night a space ship came down to earth and landed on Jeff's farm. Jeff showed the alliens love and then asked to go with them. They said they would come for him as soon as they could.... Jeff is still waiting, looking up into the sky every night with hopes of the return of his new friends. That's all I got right now but I will have more later. :nana:
:rotz: Ahhhh...You on some meds Chuck? If so I think you took to many... :image_294343: Just kidding :cheers:
Chuck, you have a wonderfully twisted mind. :2thumbs:
This one is for you guys
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9vRZ3D5VZ4&feature=related
Quote from: captnsim on April 24, 2009, 05:38:25 PM
Mike I got this one...
:ricky: :woohoo: :boogie: Picture day tommorow :boogie: :woohoo: :ricky:
:iagree: :iagree: :iagree: :iagree:
Well, I've got good news, and I've got bad news...
The good news is the car spent the past couple of days at Jon's shop... The front push bar has been modified so it can come on/off the car with ease, in case the time comes that I need to remove it and don't want to cut a weld. It's also very strong now, not like BK had it.. Before, if you hit the sit of it you could move it 3-4" side to side. Real nice...
The bad news is that the car's not going to be at the body shop when I'm there in the morning and Jon's up racing for the weekend... So no car pictures....
The BETTER news is that it's been sitting out in the sun and is drying nicely.. The paint work isn't far in the future now!!!! :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
So sorry, I'll have to disappoint this week...
On another note, I'll be returning AutoRust's torque boxes. Without getting into any details, they will not be installed on my vehicle. I'm not saying anything bad about them, they just aren't for me :2thumbs: :2thumbs: It was a very nice offer and I will make sure they arrive in his hands in the same condition they arrived in mine. :cheers: :cheers:
Quote from: mopar73 on April 24, 2009, 07:59:44 PM
Quote from: captnsim on April 24, 2009, 05:38:25 PM
Mike I got this one...
:ricky: :woohoo: :boogie: Picture day tommorow :boogie: :woohoo: :ricky:
:iagree: :iagree: :iagree: :iagree:
I should have read the next post before getting excited about pics :'( :'(
Quote from: mopar73 on April 24, 2009, 08:02:24 PM
Quote from: mopar73 on April 24, 2009, 07:59:44 PM
Quote from: captnsim on April 24, 2009, 05:38:25 PM
Mike I got this one...
:ricky: :woohoo: :boogie: Picture day tommorow :boogie: :woohoo: :ricky:
:iagree: :iagree: :iagree: :iagree:
I should have read the next post before getting excited about pics :'( :'(
It's ok, this thread gets out of control fast :lol:
I'll see what I can do... I'll at least post pic(s) of the new pushbar setup..
Hey Chuck, I think you are completely bored. Weren't you supposed to be helping to keep this train on the RIGHT TRACKS?? :brickwall:
Quote from: Steve P. on April 24, 2009, 08:26:04 PM
Hey Chuck, I think you are completely bored. Weren't you supposed to be helping to keep this train on the RIGHT TRACKS?? :brickwall:
It's my fault...I egged him on :slap:
Fixed ! :2thumbs: :icon_smile_big:
Well, I ended up seeing the car after all!! (Long story). The job Jon did on the push bar install is awesome.. Once I have some Black allen head bolts this thing will look like a solid one pc welded design with the option of unbolting and removing. The best part is it's SUPER STRONG thanks to the small cross-arms he made. You can move the entire car up/down/side/side without the bar flexing one bit. Great design, and it doesn't stand out at all (well, no more than a Charger with a PUSH BAR on it does anyways!!!!)
It's in a storage garage right now while the primer dries completely.. It goes out in the sun each day to help it along... And like I said, once the stainless hardware is off it'll all blend right in.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6380Medium.jpg)
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Looks good. I still think you should go B5 though. :icon_smile_big:
Great progress on her.
Quote from: C_stripes on April 25, 2009, 01:25:27 PM
Looks good. I still think you should go B5 though. :icon_smile_big:
Great progress on her.
:lol: It's a bit late for that now.. And thanks :cheers: :cheers:
;)
Quote from: jb666 on April 25, 2009, 01:28:20 PM
Quote from: C_stripes on April 25, 2009, 01:25:27 PM
Looks good. I still think you should go B5 though. :icon_smile_big:
Great progress on her.
:lol: It's a bit late for that now.. And thanks :cheers: :cheers:
Its never too late!
Quote from: 1hot68 on April 27, 2009, 02:47:40 PM
Quote from: jb666 on April 25, 2009, 01:28:20 PM
Quote from: C_stripes on April 25, 2009, 01:25:27 PM
Looks good. I still think you should go B5 though. :icon_smile_big:
Great progress on her.
:lol: It's a bit late for that now.. And thanks :cheers: :cheers:
Its never too late!
With this car, ANYTHING is possible.. All's I know is the more warm weather that comes our way the more anxious I get... I went Saturday and brought my other baby home... I won't mention that here, though, my screen will catch on fire :o
Quote from: 1hot68 on April 27, 2009, 02:47:40 PM
Quote from: jb666 on April 25, 2009, 01:28:20 PM
Quote from: C_stripes on April 25, 2009, 01:25:27 PM
Looks good. I still think you should go B5 though. :icon_smile_big:
Great progress on her.
:lol: It's a bit late for that now.. And thanks :cheers: :cheers:
Its never too late!
I agree. lol, I wonder what a B5 GL would look like????? hmmm
B5 GL...like crap :eek2:
;)
He's already got one real pretty blue car. No room for two. Leave him be. :nono:
a blue GL?? :smilielol: :smilielol: ..........any news on BK?
I don't have a picture of any of them but there have been more than one person do a "General Grant" in blue, with an American Flag instead of the Confederate Flag
Quote from: dstryr on April 28, 2009, 03:24:09 PM
a blue GL?? :smilielol: :smilielol: ..........any news on BK?
Not really, no. It's "sit back, hurry up and wait" time now.. The legal wheels turn SO SLOWLY it's frustrating. I had assumed Brian would be planning his trip by now and come to find out he hasn't even been served yet. Oh well, I should have known, but I've got no where to be, so I'll be patient!!
As for the car, the next few weeks should be VERRRRRRRRRRRRY interesting!!
;) I just still can't believe that BK charged over $55,000 for a totally junk bondo car. AND, that was without an engine. :rotz: :smilielol:
I got my package today Jeff. :2thumbs: :cheers: Thanks. :cheers: Are you going to have pictures for us on Sat. ? ?
Quote from: skip68 on April 30, 2009, 07:40:30 PM
I got my package today Jeff. :2thumbs: :cheers: Thanks. :cheers: Are you going to have pictures for us on Sat. ? ?
Do you like what was inside, Chuck??
Yes, I'll have pictures... I'm getting real excited these days.. Things are gonna start shaping up really nicely.
Jeff,
He's already in the garage with tools! :yesnod: :cheers: Thanks man!!! :2thumbs:
Lisa ;)
Awe what the hell....it's not painted yet! :nana: Can't wait to see it painted Jeff. So what was in the package? :popcrn:
What's in the package is top secret for now. :naughty: It is installed and working as it should. :2thumbs: I will take it out and test it in the desert this weekend. :2thumbs: I will go miles away from people so there will be no chance of a fail and anyone getting hurt or sneaking a peak at it before the public release date. :yesnod: I'll talk with you this weekend. ;) Chuck.............
Quote from: Mrs.Skip68 on April 30, 2009, 08:24:12 PM
Jeff,
He's already in the garage with tools! :yesnod: :cheers: Thanks man!!! :2thumbs:
Lisa ;)
Lisa , Your letting Chuck play with tools again ? :nana: :rofl: :rofl:
Quote from: skip68 on April 30, 2009, 10:02:36 PM
What's in the package is top secret for now. :naughty: It is installed and working as it should. :2thumbs: I will take it out and test it in the desert this weekend. :2thumbs: I will go miles away from people so there will be no chance of a fail and anyone getting hurt or sneaking a peak at it before the public release date. :yesnod: I'll talk with you this weekend. ;) Chuck.............
Chuck, I have a darn pretty good idea of what it is but I'm not saying though. ;)
Come on guys, just think, Mrs Skip said he was out in the garage playing with his tools. :scratchchin:
Chuck, you got that BDay present installed yet??
So I went to the shop yesterday on our way down to the Cape for the night away.. The car's not back at the shop yet but there was a REALLY nice Hemi Challenger there. I'll post a few pictures when I get back from the gym.
My car is due to return to the shop this week :cheers: :cheers:
Quote from: jb666 on May 03, 2009, 09:42:29 AM
So I went to the shop yesterday on our way down to the Cape for the night away.. The car's not back at the shop yet but there was a REALLY nice Hemi Challenger there. I'll post a few pictures when I get back from the gym.
My car is due to return to the shop this week :cheers: :cheers:
Hey Jeff was it Orange with blue/purple stripes R/T 426 Hemi emblems on hood. I saw one in Rockland the other day
Quote from: TA70455 on May 03, 2009, 11:27:40 AM
Quote from: jb666 on May 03, 2009, 09:42:29 AM
So I went to the shop yesterday on our way down to the Cape for the night away.. The car's not back at the shop yet but there was a REALLY nice Hemi Challenger there. I'll post a few pictures when I get back from the gym.
My car is due to return to the shop this week :cheers: :cheers:
Hey Jeff was it Orange with blue/purple stripes R/T 426 Hemi emblems on hood. I saw one in Rockland the other day
YES!! That thing was painted back in the mid 80's and looks like it was done last week!!! :o
Off topic, but I have no shots of my car to post this week, so this will have to take it's place.. '70 Challenger, vintage 426 Hemi, GORGEOUS car inside and out.. Painted undercarriage, spotless... :cheers:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6399Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6400Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6401Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6402Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6403Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6404Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6409Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6411Medium.jpg)
And a few shots of the little hot rod they just painted...
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6405Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6406Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6408Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6412Medium.jpg)
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(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6414Medium.jpg)
Quote from: jb666 on May 03, 2009, 11:58:49 AM
Off topic, but I have no shots of my car to post this week, so this will have to take it's place.. '70 Challenger, vintage 426 Hemi, GORGEOUS car inside and out.. Painted undercarriage, spotless... :cheers:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6399Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6400Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6401Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6402Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6403Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6404Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6409Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6411Medium.jpg)
HOLY CRAP, thats the car LOL. Bob took me down the street from the Rockland shop, I had to go there to baby sit the new painter
Quote from: TA70455 on May 03, 2009, 12:09:00 PM
Quote from: jb666 on May 03, 2009, 11:58:49 AM
Off topic, but I have no shots of my car to post this week, so this will have to take it's place.. '70 Challenger, vintage 426 Hemi, GORGEOUS car inside and out.. Painted undercarriage, spotless... :cheers:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6399Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6400Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6401Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6402Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6403Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6404Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6409Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6411Medium.jpg)
HOLY CRAP, thats the car LOL. Bob took me down the street from the Rockland shop, I had to go there to baby sit the new painter
The new painter? :o :lol:
Not at the shop painting my car, jim. Chris works at a body shop too.
Quote from: jb666 on May 03, 2009, 12:45:31 PM
Not at the shop painting my car, jim. Chris works at a body shop too.
Okay, just tell me one thing, Why did who have to baby sit the new painter for? :-\
Quote from: MoparManJim on May 03, 2009, 01:00:06 PM
Quote from: jb666 on May 03, 2009, 12:45:31 PM
Not at the shop painting my car, jim. Chris works at a body shop too.
Okay, just tell me one thing, Why did who have to baby sit the new painter for? :-\
Long story, but to make it short one of the new painters for his shop is a bit of a screwup..
Quote from: jb666 on May 03, 2009, 02:12:32 PM
Quote from: MoparManJim on May 03, 2009, 01:00:06 PM
Quote from: jb666 on May 03, 2009, 12:45:31 PM
Not at the shop painting my car, jim. Chris works at a body shop too.
Okay, just tell me one thing, Why did who have to baby sit the new painter for? :-\
Long story, but to make it short one of the new painters for his shop is a bit of a screwup..
Is he going to be painting... your.. car? Or is he going to be taking tips. :icon_smile_blackeye:
He's going to be cleaning the tips(paint gun) while someone else paints Jeff's car. :lol:
Quote from: mikepmcs on May 03, 2009, 02:30:48 PM
He's going to be cleaning the tips(paint gun) while someone else paints Jeff's car. :lol:
:shruggy: Well, that's not really the tips I had in mind but that is or would also help him :smilielol:
Quote from: mikepmcs on May 03, 2009, 02:30:48 PM
He's going to be cleaning the tips(paint gun) while someone else paints Jeff's car. :lol:
Totally unrelated shops.. 70TA455 is a buddy of mine for the past 20 years, and he works at a body shop in my home town..
My General is being done 40 miles away at a shop that no noobs work at.
...
I laughed out loud because I thought it said that "no boobs work at" Alas, I laughed for nothing, I take it back. :lol:
Quote from: mikepmcs on May 03, 2009, 03:20:19 PM
...
I laughed out loud because I thought it said that "no boobs work at" Alas, I laughed for nothing, I take it back. :lol:
right there with ya!
:popcrn:
;) Just a bump to keep this fresh.
Chuck, I was going to call you tonight. Today at 2PM I got a call from a reporter at FoxNews (Houston). Does this have anything to do with you or are they FINALLY ready to run a story?!?!?
I was in meetings all afternoon and couldn't call. I tried when I was out of work and he wasn't in the office.
:popcrn:
:naughty: Yes ! I've spoke to FOX news a few times.
Well, so far we've played phone tag with each other 3X in the past couple of days. He says it's "important we talk" :lol:
BTW, back to the General --- Progress is coming along nicely! The nose is back off the car and everything's finished/primed now. It won't be long now!!!!!!!!!!!!
Awesome! I can't wait to see it when its done :cheers:.
I'll have some more pics in the next few days. Today I arranged all of the General's good & bad parts in my garage. I have half the General's (old) body beside my garage in storage just waiting for the shows.. The rest is in clean dry storage waiting for it to be finished and put back together.
:cheers:
:2thumbs: Coooooool. post up some picks of the junk pile or what BK calls their custom body work. :smilielol: Sorry man.
:popcrn:
Quit driving that new Charger all the time and post up an update allready!! Please? :icon_smile_wink:
Quote from: 1hot68 on May 15, 2009, 09:18:49 AM
Quit driving that new Charger all the time and post up an update allready!! Please? :icon_smile_wink:
Yea, please! This thread had kinda died I would say all a sudden :o
I was going to bump it back up but 1hot68 kinda beat me to it :smilielol:
Quote from: jb666 on May 10, 2009, 08:04:05 PM
I'll have some more pics in the next few days. Today I arranged all of the General's good & bad parts in my garage. I have half the General's (old) body beside my garage in storage just waiting for the shows.. The rest is in clean dry storage waiting for it to be finished and put back together.
:cheers:
Okay, it's been afew days now, so where is the photos at? :scratchchin: :shruggy: :lol:
:popcrn: :popcrn: :popcrn:
:yesnod: .......... :popcrn: :scope:......... :'(
Sorry guys!! I just got back from our weekend away, BUT, on the way down I stopped at the shop and WOW, some serious progress has been made!!
The nose and doors are off the car, the rest of the car has been blocked and is smooth as a baby's behind. I am really impressed at how this thing looks and feels, it's PERFECTLY straight when your running your hand down the side of it.
Anyways, I got a ton of pics, but I have to resize/upload, and I'm on my way out the door to the gym right now. I'll be back and will make it the first thing I do. The car is VERY CLOSE to seeing some nice Orange paint on the jams, then the nose/doors go back on and the REAL fun (with color) begins!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I decided yesterday to have them shoot color on the back side of the hood.. I didn't think Black would look right.
Sweet! :cheers: :2thumbs:
Quote from: jb666 on May 17, 2009, 09:53:13 AM
Sorry guys!! I just got back from our weekend away, BUT, on the way down I stopped at the shop and WOW, some serious progress has been made!!
The nose and doors are off the car, the rest of the car has been blocked and is smooth as a baby's behind. I am really impressed at how this thing looks and feels, it's PERFECTLY straight when your running your hand down the side of it.
QuoteAnyways, I got a ton of pics, but I have to resize/upload, and I'm on my way out the door to the gym right now. I'll be back and will make it the first thing I do. The car is VERY CLOSE to seeing some nice Orange paint on the jams, then the nose/doors go back on and the REAL fun (with color) begins!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:D yet he has time to go to the gym.. :lol:
QuoteI decided yesterday to have them shoot color on the back side of the hood.. I didn't think Black would look right.
Hey, the series cars had black under the hoods so why wouldn't it have look right? :-\ :shruggy:
Quote from: MoparManJim on May 17, 2009, 11:15:24 AM
Quote from: jb666 on May 17, 2009, 09:53:13 AM
Sorry guys!! I just got back from our weekend away, BUT, on the way down I stopped at the shop and WOW, some serious progress has been made!!
The nose and doors are off the car, the rest of the car has been blocked and is smooth as a baby's behind. I am really impressed at how this thing looks and feels, it's PERFECTLY straight when your running your hand down the side of it.
QuoteAnyways, I got a ton of pics, but I have to resize/upload, and I'm on my way out the door to the gym right now. I'll be back and will make it the first thing I do. The car is VERY CLOSE to seeing some nice Orange paint on the jams, then the nose/doors go back on and the REAL fun (with color) begins!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:D yet he has time to go to the gym.. :lol:
QuoteI decided yesterday to have them shoot color on the back side of the hood.. I didn't think Black would look right.
Hey, the series cars had black under the hoods so why wouldn't it have look right? :-\ :shruggy:
I spend 2 hours/day in the gym 7 days/week. It's more than a priority for me :lol:
As for making it "series correct", I am SO far from that point now that it'd be futile of me to even go in that direction. Now I'm just doing these things to make it "my" car, not matching the series car(s). I like the look of painted underside, for some reason...
OK, first, I need this bracket, but for the driver's door, does anyone here have one?
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2978Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2979Medium.jpg)
And here we go.. Stripped apart again, but this time for GOOD reasons, the end is near!!!!!!!!!!!!
Like my stylin' wheel/tire combo?? Here you can see some of Jon's handy work which allows my front push bar to be removed. When the nose is on you can barely see these arms, and when the bar's bolted to it the whole assembly is flush and clean.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2980Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2982Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2981Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2983Medium.jpg)
'69 Camaro just hangin' around... This thing is going to be incredible!!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2984Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2985Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2986Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2987Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2988Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2989Medium.jpg)
All of the wheel wells will be done after the car's painted
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2990Medium.jpg)
If you remember the cowl area right after the media blasting, you'll understand why I'm saying that this came out incredible. It was the worst part of the car.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2991Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2992Medium.jpg)
These were all bent/bondo'd when they were sanded down. Now they are all straight and perfect. It took hours to restore this panel alone:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2993Medium.jpg)
Remember the upper rear panels where they met the rear window?? After blasting it DIDN'T EXIST!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2994Medium.jpg)
Just admiring the frame connectors and (what's left of) my interior. After Jon finished my floors, he coated the floors. When the dust is off of these they look perfect. I'm covering the entire interior with Dynamat anyways, but I'm happy knowing it's clean underneath now.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_2995Medium.jpg)
:cheers: :cheers: The shots over the next couple of weeks will be awesome.. I should have a few shots with color in my jams soon.
One last thing, in a day or two I'll have a couple of shots of what came out of my driver's door :eek2: :lol:
a severed finger??
Car looks great Jeff. Getting excited now for you. :2thumbs:
Quote from: mikepmcs on May 17, 2009, 12:51:41 PM
a severed finger??
THAT would have looked better.
Looking real good Jeff. :2thumbs: I bet you never thought you would be at this point back in November. I bet whatever was in the door has something to do with Ba Ba Ba BK Automotive. :smilielol:
Quote from: skip68 on May 17, 2009, 03:05:54 PM
Looking real good Jeff. :2thumbs: I bet you never thought you would be at this point back in November. I bet whatever was in the door has something to do with Ba Ba Ba BK Automotive. :smilielol:
Yep, Chuck, it sure does!!
Hey, did I tell you what the dealer gave me for a license plate on my new Charger?? You won't believe this.......... "BK1"
Yeah. I ASKED for another plate, because the thought of driving around with BK is #1 or "BK WON" on my car was gonna drive me crazy.. But ALL of their plates had two letters up front and BK1 at the end :brickwall: :brickwall: :brickwall: :brickwall:
Damn, what a coincidence!!! :o
Man, this whole mess is all because of one stupid little illegitimate company with an "owner" that was super smart. ::) The level that this has come to still blows my mind. BK1, I like it. :2thumbs:
Quote from: skip68 on May 17, 2009, 03:21:32 PM
Man, this whole mess is all because of one stupid little illegitimate company with an "owner" that was super smart. ::) The level that this has come to still blows my mind. BK1, I like it. :2thumbs:
Yeah, well I'll send you one of the plates when I put my vanity plates back on the car (transfer can take up to 2 weeks in MA). These aren't staying, it's bad luck. You can hang the plate next to your BK Custom Built Shifter.
:cheers: :cheers:
Quote from: 1hot68 on May 15, 2009, 09:18:49 AM
Quit driving that new Charger all the time and post up an update allready!! Please? :icon_smile_wink:
Me? :icon_smile_big: Every time I go somewhere to take pictures the sun goes away and it looks like rain! I think it's the "BK WON" plate on the car. :brickwall:
:eek2: I made it ... al 150+ pages... I had to do it in sections over the course of a few weeks but it was too damn good to just skip ahead or skim. I'd be remis if I didn't sign up to post.
I'm happy to see such a basket case resurrected to it's original glory... Remember every time you "should have started with a clean roller" you've done your part to preserve a piece of history instead :2thumbs:
I'm also happy to see Chuck got BK Shut down... good on ya man :2thumbs:
Me, I'm not a classic car guy, but I am a fan of well built and well respected cars.
I found this thread over on My350Z.com where a similar thread exists... not nearly as bad as this one but someone basically dropped their essentially brand new car off to be fitted with some aftermarket aero and received it back 3 months later with $8K in damage to the chassis because of how it was "installed"
http://www.my350z.com/forum/the-lounge-off-topic/389628-horrible-body-shop-experience-details-inside-350z-ruined.html
Scammers and shady shacks exists in all walks of the automotive world.
I'm just glad that I have enough time energy and knowledgeable friends that I can do most of my work on my own cars... and it warms my heart to see people like BK put in their place. :yesnod:
BTW... you asked for those with web knowledge to dig up stuff on BK
http://web.archive.org/web/20020131025642/www.bkauto.net/mainpagehtml.html ;)
Quote from: twistedsymphony on May 18, 2009, 04:05:12 PM
:eek2: I made it ... al 150+ pages... I had to do it in sections over the course of a few weeks but it was too damn good to just skip ahead or skim. I'd be remis if I didn't sign up to post.
I'm happy to see such a basket case resurrected to it's original glory... Remember every time you "should have started with a clean roller" you've done your part to preserve a piece of history instead :2thumbs:
I'm also happy to see Chuck got BK Shut down... good on ya man :2thumbs:
Me, I'm not a classic car guy, but I am a fan of well built and well respected cars.
I found this thread over on My350Z.com where a similar thread exists... not nearly as bad as this one but someone basically dropped their essentially brand new car off to be fitted with some aftermarket aero and received it back 3 months later with $8K in damage to the chassis because of how it was "installed"
http://www.my350z.com/forum/the-lounge-off-topic/389628-horrible-body-shop-experience-details-inside-350z-ruined.html
Scammers and shady shacks exists in all walks of the automotive world.
I'm just glad that I have enough time energy and knowledgeable friends that I can do most of my work on my own cars... and it warms my heart to see people like BK put in their place. :yesnod:
BTW... you asked for those with web knowledge to dig up stuff on BK
http://web.archive.org/web/20020131025642/www.bkauto.net/mainpagehtml.html ;)
Welcome! And thanks for taking the time to read through the BK saga from beginning to end. Soon enough it'll be the car from page 1 to the car FINISHED out in the sun during it's first official photo shoot with all of this crap in between. That's the day I'm looking forward to.
Thanks for helping pass the word around, too!! People like BK are all over the place. And don't kid yourselves here, BK IS NOT GONE, not by a long shot. They may think this has died, but they couldn't be more ignorant if they believe that.
:cheers: Welcome twistedsymphony. Thanks for hanging in there and reading it to the end. Thanks for the comments too. :2thumbs: Chuck............
Welcome aboard Twisted. :wave:
Hey Jeff...who is doing the photoshoot???
Quote from: mikepmcs on May 18, 2009, 05:56:28 PM
Welcome aboard Twisted. :wave:
Hey Jeff...who is doing the photoshoot???
I'd tell ya, but I'd have to kill ya. Let's just say it's going to have a lot of exposure :icon_smile_big:
Oh, so it's professional shoot....... :-\(mike kicking rocks) :icon_smile_dissapprove:
Jeff, clear a couple out of your in box, please, sir.
Quote from: twistedsymphony on May 18, 2009, 04:05:12 PM
I found this thread over on My350Z.com where a similar thread exists... not nearly as bad as this one but someone basically dropped their essentially brand new car off to be fitted with some aftermarket aero and received it back 3 months later with $8K in damage to the chassis because of how it was "installed"
http://www.my350z.com/forum/the-lounge-off-topic/389628-horrible-body-shop-experience-details-inside-350z-ruined.html
Scammers and shady shacks exists in all walks of the automotive world.
I'm just glad that I have enough time energy and knowledgeable friends that I can do most of my work on my own cars... and it warms my heart to see people like BK put in their place. :yesnod:
Welcome to the Charger site, but ....
DAMN! The work done on that 350Z was a joke. Drywall screws & wood shims to hold a ground effects kit on? :o
Quote from: twistedsymphony on May 18, 2009, 04:05:12 PM
:eek2: I made it ... al 150+ pages... I had to do it in sections over the course of a few weeks but it was too damn good to just skip ahead or skim. I'd be remis if I didn't sign up to post.
I'm happy to see such a basket case resurrected to it's original glory... Remember every time you "should have started with a clean roller" you've done your part to preserve a piece of history instead :2thumbs:
I'm also happy to see Chuck got BK Shut down... good on ya man :2thumbs:
Me, I'm not a classic car guy, but I am a fan of well built and well respected cars.
I found this thread over on My350Z.com where a similar thread exists... not nearly as bad as this one but someone basically dropped their essentially brand new car off to be fitted with some aftermarket aero and received it back 3 months later with $8K in damage to the chassis because of how it was "installed"
http://www.my350z.com/forum/the-lounge-off-topic/389628-horrible-body-shop-experience-details-inside-350z-ruined.html
Scammers and shady shacks exists in all walks of the automotive world.
I'm just glad that I have enough time energy and knowledgeable friends that I can do most of my work on my own cars... and it warms my heart to see people like BK put in their place. :yesnod:
BTW... you asked for those with web knowledge to dig up stuff on BK
http://web.archive.org/web/20020131025642/www.bkauto.net/mainpagehtml.html ;)
Holy Crap that poor 350Z!!! Talk about a screw job... (pun intended :-\ )
thankfully the owner of that 350Z has kept a level head, never stated anything that wasn't the complete truth, is going through all the proper legal procedures to bring the shop to justice, and is having a REAL shop fix all the original problems. It'd be comical how much it mirrors this thread here if it weren't for the fact that both stem from expensive and stressful tragedies.
The shop owner went around saying that he painted SEMA cars yet everyone who they found that he had done work for had horrible stories to tell. The shop owner even used excuses like the guy was "cheap" and got what he paid for... amazing how two different scammers half way across the country have the same exact song and dance.
I found this thread here when someone posted a link over on the 350Z thread.. the owner of that Z had this to say
QuoteThat is by far much worse than my situation! My damage is only about 10% of what he paid for that!
His court date is June 2nd... I'd love to see the outcome of both of these.
You know, if that Mike guy is not an LLC, anyone that is on paper or tied to his company is liable. :yesnod: So that means you list his mother on the suit if she is the the one funding his little company. That makes her a partner and/or investor with intrest in the company. I know, it sounds cold but I would list everyone. Even the family dog. :smilielol: He may have judgements against him already and that's why his mother is helping. :shruggy: There are more things that can be done if the owner of the car want's to make that Mike guy have more problems down the road. :icon_smile_big: ALL LEGAL ! :naughty:
Quote from: twistedsymphony on May 18, 2009, 04:05:12 PM
:eek2: I made it ... al 150+ pages... I had to do it in sections over the course of a few weeks but it was too damn good to just skip ahead or skim. I'd be remis if I didn't sign up to post.
I'm happy to see such a basket case resurrected to it's original glory... Remember every time you "should have started with a clean roller" you've done your part to preserve a piece of history instead :2thumbs:
I'm also happy to see Chuck got BK Shut down... good on ya man :2thumbs:
Me, I'm not a classic car guy, but I am a fan of well built and well respected cars.
I found this thread over on My350Z.com where a similar thread exists... not nearly as bad as this one but someone basically dropped their essentially brand new car off to be fitted with some aftermarket aero and received it back 3 months later with $8K in damage to the chassis because of how it was "installed"
http://www.my350z.com/forum/the-lounge-off-topic/389628-horrible-body-shop-experience-details-inside-350z-ruined.html
Scammers and shady shacks exists in all walks of the automotive world.
I'm just glad that I have enough time energy and knowledgeable friends that I can do most of my work on my own cars... and it warms my heart to see people like BK put in their place. :yesnod:
BTW... you asked for those with web knowledge to dig up stuff on BK
http://web.archive.org/web/20020131025642/www.bkauto.net/mainpagehtml.html ;)
OH MY GOD!!!!!!!!!! THAT POOR Z :eek2: :eek2: :eek2:
Ok, check out the parts that came out of the inside of the driver's door. What blows my mind is that the bottom of the door (in fact, MOST of the door) was solid. There was no rot down along the bottom lip, yet this was completely rotted off the car..
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/Picture206Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/Picture207Medium.jpg)
The original, and the bracket they made on the left.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/Picture208Medium.jpg)
Great looking part. Thats tallent.
Amazing how rust has a way of eating one part but not another.
Your lucky to have people as tallented as that working on your car.
Talk about crap to riches you lucky bastard.
I know it's too late now but, you should have run the car up on the scale to see how heavy it was when you got it. :yesnod: Then take it back once it's done and see how much lighter it is now without all the bondo and junk. :smilielol:
Funny you'd say that. I can tell you right now that the quarters that came OFF the car were 58lbs heavier (on one side, 56 on the other) than the replacement (AMD) panels.
Quote from: jb666 on May 21, 2009, 09:21:15 AM
Funny you'd say that. I can tell you right now that the quarters that came OFF the car were 58lbs heavier (on one side, 56 on the other) than the replacement (AMD) panels.
anyone know the density of bondo? we could figured out exactly how many gallons they put on :flame:
Wouldn't the severly rusted and outright missing sections of metal make up for it?
Quote from: Ghoste on May 21, 2009, 02:48:41 PM
Wouldn't the severly rusted and outright missing sections of metal make up for it?
Wouldn't it make up for EXTRA weight?? I'm saying the bondo'd panels were heavier (by far) than the replacements. In some places the bondo is 1.5" thick. On the back of the panels there are several spots where metal was put in place and bondo'd to the body to fill in the large holes.
Well you would know better than me :lol:, I was just going by some of your pics where it looked like they just had missing sections in areas where you couldn't see it so easily as exterior panels.
Oh no.. The rear quarters were "missing" nothing, and where metal was missing it was made up with Bondo thicker than you'll ever see anywhere... The quarters feel like lead when you're holding them, and when you flex them all you can hear is cracking.
I was thinking more about some of the inner structures and things behind the 1/4s and valence panels. On the other hand I suppose you had two Dutchman panels didn't you? Then again, wasn't there also a fiberglass frame structure. Really I can't remember now and at 156 pages I am not going back.
It would have been interesting to weight all that bondo wouldn't it?
Yes. The rear frame rails (those that weren't MISSING") were molded from fiberglass. That's what started this whole thing...
Quote from: jb666 on May 21, 2009, 03:10:58 PM
Yes. The rear frame rails (those that weren't MISSING") were molded from fiberglass. That's what started this whole thing...
CORVETTE WANNABE!!! :smilielol: any more progress on this one dude? It's comin along great! When do you hope to have it finished by?
Quote from: ChgrSteve67 on May 20, 2009, 10:57:19 PM
Great looking part. Thats tallent.
Amazing how rust has a way of eating one part but not another.
Your lucky to have people as tallented as that working on your car.
Talk about crap to riches you lucky bastard.
I agree with everything you've said here :cheers: :cheers:
Quote from: BIRD67 on May 21, 2009, 04:08:29 PM
Quote from: jb666 on May 21, 2009, 03:10:58 PM
Yes. The rear frame rails (those that weren't MISSING") were molded from fiberglass. That's what started this whole thing...
CORVETTE WANNABE!!! :smilielol: any more progress on this one dude? It's comin along great! When do you hope to have it finished by?
Well, I'm heading to the shop tomorrow. So far, the rumor is it MIGHT get jammed this coming week, if I'm lucky, then put together for the final time, all panels aligned, the time to shoot.. The time span for completion?? I'm not sure.. We've talked about the end of June, but I'm not pressing the guys.. As far as I'm concerned, they are artists and I'm the unskilled customer who's looking through the glass for the finished product.. Put deadlines on people and things get rushed --- It's not how these guys like to work, and I respect that. :cheers: More pictures coming after tomorrow.. I'm going away until Monday morning, so they might not be up till then.
ok... 114 lbs of bondo? In the quarters ALONE? If they had done the work properly, they would have saved money...
Even on weight alone, at 128 oz of bondo to a gallon, that works out to 14 gallons!!!!!!!!
Twisted - that Z is tragic, brah. Not even funny. I hope he gets put out to pasture for that crime.
Great news!! I have pictures that have fresh orange paint in them!! But, I'm away and can't post them until tomorrow.
Quote from: jb666 on May 24, 2009, 01:41:01 PM
Great news!! I have pictures that have fresh orange paint in them!! But, I'm away and can't post them until tomorrow.
Great news? nea, good news :smilielol:
Great news would be having the car all the way done and on the road. :icon_smile_big:
JB sent me this pic from his camera phone and asked me to post it!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v612/lbaird78735/paint/photo.jpg)
Crap, I gotta get out there and get my ride done. Lookin good with that orange paint on them doors.
To say this mademy day would be an understatement.
Nice to hear of some good progress being done. :2thumbs:
:dance: paint going on eh :coolgleamA: won't be long now Dude , i'm pleased for you , all this crap you have had with them bondo bandits .... you will be enjoying one of the greatest muscles cars ever to roam the earth soon :icon_smile_approve: :2thumbs:
This is very exciting for me, I'm really looking forward to the next few weeks!!!
Quote from: jb666 on May 24, 2009, 02:47:37 PM
This is very exciting for me, I'm really looking forward to the next few weeks!!!
I'm glad some body is :lol:. I can't wait to see it become orange.
Sweet Jeff. :2thumbs: Now you can start getting that feeling of joy back. It's amazing what paint can do. :yesnod:
Off topic a little but I need to thank Jeff myself just for the mere fact that this is what has gotten me off my butt lately and working on my charger not to mention I want to have it ready so we can meet up and take pictures this summer. Also, RAWPWR lives down that way and would like to meet up with him as well. Oop gotta get back out there. Wet sanding and putting on my wheel trim...again. Also cleaning up the 3.91 pig right now as well. Basically anything to avoid screwing with panel alignment. :lol:
Paint is GOOOOD!!! :2thumbs:
:bump:
Chuck!! This weekend will be cool.. Mikepmcs is heading down my way. I've got a few pictures from the other day I forgot to post (I'm slipping).
Oh yeah, I have to give a shout out to Tom from Bridge Street. I know you're watching :nana: (Chris told on you). Now sign up and post, damn it!! That goes for you too, Charles. :popcrn:
Anyways, I'll be back with those pics (they were from Saturday. It was Sunday I stopped by and the doors were painted!!)
:popcrn:
Mike ? :shruggy: :scratchchin: Oh yah, I forgot he's your buddy now. ::) :'( I like me some pictures please. :icon_smile_big:
Ok, nothing earth shattering here, just a few progress shots. The doors have been completely sealed (inside) so they will never have the BK problems again. I still love the way the hood came out (filled in the directionals).
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6499Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6500Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6501Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6502Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6503Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6504Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6505Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6506Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6507Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6508Medium.jpg)
And it might be the last time you see it this way...
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6509Medium.jpg)
looking good :yesnod: getting closer :coolgleamA: :popcrn:
why dont they remove the latch from the door before they paint it...?? looks great cant wait for some paint...
Quote from: jb666 on May 27, 2009, 07:56:01 PM
Ok, nothing earth shattering here, just a few progress shots. The doors have been completely sealed (inside) so they will never have the BK problems again. I still love the way the hood came out (filled in the directionals).
Just curious, but aren't there drain holes at the bottom of the door? When you say sealed, do you mean all but the drains?
The rest looks good. :cheers:
Quote from: Old Moparz on May 28, 2009, 09:34:48 AM
Quote from: jb666 on May 27, 2009, 07:56:01 PM
Ok, nothing earth shattering here, just a few progress shots. The doors have been completely sealed (inside) so they will never have the BK problems again. I still love the way the hood came out (filled in the directionals).
Just curious, but aren't there drain holes at the bottom of the door? When you say sealed, do you mean all but the drains?
The rest looks good. :cheers:
Correct, all but the drains have been sealed. These doors will never be able to build up water in that area again. They will function as they were built to.
Cool, glad to see something positive happening for you with it. :2thumbs:
Quote from: 69*F5*SE on May 28, 2009, 09:57:00 AM
Cool, glad to see something positive happening for you with it. :2thumbs:
Thank you.
Keep something in mind here guys -- This car is not being built to be a SEMA show car. I just want it to be a nice clean replica. It won't be 100% original BY ANY MEANS.
Quote from: jb666 on May 28, 2009, 09:41:44 AM
Quote from: Old Moparz on May 28, 2009, 09:34:48 AM
Just curious, but aren't there drain holes at the bottom of the door? When you say sealed, do you mean all but the drains?
The rest looks good. :cheers:
Correct, all but the drains have been sealed. These doors will never be able to build up water in that area again. They will function as they were built to.
Forgive the stupid question, but did they collect water from the factory or was it just because of BK bondo dams built up at the bottom of the door that collected water?
Quote from: bakerhillpins on May 28, 2009, 10:18:19 AM
Quote from: jb666 on May 28, 2009, 09:41:44 AM
Quote from: Old Moparz on May 28, 2009, 09:34:48 AM
Just curious, but aren't there drain holes at the bottom of the door? When you say sealed, do you mean all but the drains?
The rest looks good. :cheers:
Correct, all but the drains have been sealed. These doors will never be able to build up water in that area again. They will function as they were built to.
Forgive the stupid question, but did they collect water from the factory or was it just because of BK bondo dams built up at the bottom of the door that collected water?
Mine was completely and 100% loaded up with Bondo. My doors were caked with it. I like that, "BK Bondo dams" :rofl: :rofl:
From the pic of the inside of the door it looks like they build a proper drain "pipe", if you will. That is better than the factory did. At least in any door I can think of.. The multiple drain holes were great except that the car is not always moving to get the water to the drains. Much water just sits on the seams and creates problems.
When I lived in the North, I had a boss that would open up his doors and pull the inside panels off every one of his cars that were used in the winter. Once the inner skins were off he would spray oil, motor oil, inside of them. Down in the hollows of fenders and inside of quarter panels as well. With all the cars he and his family drove, none of them had rust and most of them were older cars that should have been crushed due to rust out many years before.. So yeah, I like the idea of making a trough to carry out the water rather than it sitting in the seams... The oil dissipated water in the same way. Sort of...
That is the case, Steve. A proper drainage system has been established. This thing will flow like a faucet when submerged under water. That's good, because when I jump old Black's Creek (if the bridge is out) I want to make sure the car dries out quickly.
now thats funny!!!!!!!!!!!!! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
I've been brushing up and getting ready. I've watched seasons 1-3 over the past two weeks and am pretty sure I'll be able to jump this thing with virtually no body damage.
I sure hope you have been practicing your "YEEEEEEEEEEHAWWWWWWWW!!!" You know you can't jump a GL unless you yell that. :smilielol:
Car is looking great Jeff. Glad to see color going on the car. :2thumbs:
Quote from: jb666 on May 28, 2009, 02:03:26 PM
I've been brushing up and getting ready. I've watched seasons 1-3 over the past two weeks and am pretty sure I'll be able to jump this thing with virtually no body damage.
HAHAHA... Now "THAT" was funny........... :smilielol:
Quote from: jb666 on May 28, 2009, 02:03:26 PM
I've been brushing up and getting ready. I've watched seasons 1-3 over the past two weeks and am pretty sure I'll be able to jump this thing with virtually no body damage.
Just dont take any advice from mikepmcs
He jumped his into a ditch...obviously didnt watch the shows good enough :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
:leaving: :leaving:
finally some humor!!!!
Yes!! And, I'm at the shop now so pictures will be up a bit later
Quote from: jb666 on May 29, 2009, 12:00:37 PM
Yes!! And, I'm at the shop now so pictures will be up a bit later
Or afew days later? :scratchchin: :smilielol:
Picky picky picky.
Anyways, I just got home, and all I can say is WOW. I am amazed. I almost had a heart attack when I walked in to see what was done. The car is completely jammed, re-assembled, lined up and (almost) ready for paint. The engine bay (where Jon needed to weld & patch up some "BK QUALITY" jobs) came out GREAT!! I couldn't believe it was my car I was looking at, and I can tell you right now that this is going to look AMAZING when it's done.
I'm resizing some pictures now..
Make sure you watch the hood sliding closely on the show Jeff! I tried doing that with mine and it didn't turn out so good :lol:
First, let me give you an example of how BK slapped this thing together figuring no one was ever going to take this car apart now..
What was holding the headlight 'frame' to the car?? Virtually nothing, the brackets are rotted off completely. Check out the bent up bracket(s) and sheered off bolts.They are restoring this next.
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Quote from: 69bronzeT5 on May 29, 2009, 03:25:17 PM
Make sure you watch the hood sliding closely on the show Jeff! I tried doing that with mine and it didn't turn out so good :lol:
Oh, I'll practice on the wife's Navigator so I don't screw my paint up :cheers:
Quote from: jb666 on May 29, 2009, 03:27:47 PM
Quote from: 69bronzeT5 on May 29, 2009, 03:25:17 PM
Make sure you watch the hood sliding closely on the show Jeff! I tried doing that with mine and it didn't turn out so good :lol:
Oh, I'll practice on the wife's Navigator so I don't screw my paint up :cheers:
Watch out for that center ridge on the Charger's hood. I was doing fine until my ass hit that...it caused me to roll and straight off the side of the car I went :smilielol:
Jeff I have that grille support. It's my wrecked one but could be of some use. It's a hack job too but you win on that one. :lol:
Whatta ya think??
Quote from: mikepmcs on May 29, 2009, 03:50:36 PM
Jeff I have that grille support. It's my wrecked one but could be of some use. It's a hack job too but you win on that one. :lol:
Whatta ya think??
You're kidding?? That would be great and PERFECT timing seeing you'll be down here tomorrow!!!! :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
Ok, here we go. First, the reason certain door parts were primed with the door was because BK had painted them orange when they weren't supposed to be. So they were removed, stripped down and put back on to be primed. They were then removed and painted correctly before being reassembled.
Remember, these are fresh shots. The car was being worked on when I walked in and the guys just got out of my way so I could snap some shots. So if you see something that looks out of place, well, it very well could be. It was the middle of the day and not everyone got to leave work at noon today :icon_smile_big:
Ok, here's what I saw when I walked in, and my jaw hit the ground. I couldn't believe what had been done in such a short time.
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Until the motor comes out and the engine bay is completely finished (to match the car) they did a nice seperation line between the body (color) and the black. The motor's coming out this Fall, at which point the engine bay will look as nice as the rest of the car.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6552Medium.jpg)
As discussed, I went with the body color under the hood. It's the way I wanted it (sorry Warner Brothers for breaking the ethical code of General Lee owners).
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The bars Jon welded to give the push bar a bit more stability (AND the ability to remove it with ease) was sanded and painted, along with the rest of the Black you can see. The engine bay (paint) was a horrific mess before. I THINK it was prepped with a BBQ brush and (rolled on ) Rustoleum to complete the look
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6545Medium.jpg)
Here you can see the spot on the firewall where there used to be a hole big enough to fit your head through (that BK covered with DYNAMAT).
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This shot shows the new inner fender area that Jon did where BK had a large hole, battery terminals and (God knows what else) a bit more going on.. Keep in mind here guys that the wiring isn't tied up, complete or by any means ready to "show"
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Jon's flush mount push bar mount along with the nice (BK supplied) Orange overspray on the front sway bar. This will not be there much longer.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6549Medium.jpg)
Moving around to the driver's door..
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TO BE CONTINUED...
Let's just see if I can get it in the Challenger now :o
I posted too soon, the car looks fantastic!!! You can just see the quality of their paint work in these pics. No cut and buff needed. :2thumbs:
Need your permission to take pics of Jon's mount for the pushbar if possible? I need to figure out how I'm going to do mine. :P
Keep in mind, before this job, BK had painted ALL of the door/hood hardware with the car..
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The trunk's done exactly how I wanted it. It's being "spackle painted" where you can see it and the rest will be covered in Dynamat.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6537Medium.jpg)
:popcrn:
And just a few shots of a really cool 40's Pontiac they were painting when I was there.
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Hope you enjoyed today's presentation.
:cheers: :cheers:
Awesome Jeff! I would say very soon you will be jumping creeks and running from the law! It really is amazing the work they have done.
Quote from: teamroth on May 29, 2009, 04:23:25 PM
Awesome Jeff! I would say very soon you will be jumping creeks and running from the law! It really is amazing the work they have done.
I tell ya, seeing this in person really makes these pictures look bad. The paint is smooth as ice and deep like you can dive into it. I can now imagine how this is going to look while painted.. Especially with the "twist" we have planned. Nothing too 'out there', but it'll DEFINITELY stand out. :coolgleamA: There will definitely be no other like it.
Quote from: mikepmcs on May 29, 2009, 04:04:42 PM
Let's just see if I can get it in the Challenger now :o
I posted too soon, the car looks fantastic!!! You can just see the quality of their paint work in these pics. No cut and buff needed. :2thumbs:
Need your permission to take pics of Jon's mount for the pushbar if possible? I need to figure out how I'm going to do mine. :P
Mike, you'll be seeing the car up close and personal tomorrow. You can take pictures, measurements or anything else you need. It's an awesome setup and virtually invisible when the bar's mounted!! The best part? You can remove the bumper/grille with ease!!
Quote from: jb666 on May 29, 2009, 04:26:21 PM
Quote from: teamroth on May 29, 2009, 04:23:25 PM
Awesome Jeff! I would say very soon you will be jumping creeks and running from the law! It really is amazing the work they have done.
I tell ya, seeing this in person really makes these pictures look bad. The paint is smooth as ice and deep like you can dive into it. I can now imagine how this is going to look while painted.. Especially with the "twist" we have planned. Nothing too 'out there', but it'll DEFINITELY stand out. :coolgleamA: There will definitely be no other like it.
I'm thinking you guys are gonna put a twist on the decals :scratchchin:
Quote from: 69bronzeT5 on May 29, 2009, 04:32:16 PM
Quote from: jb666 on May 29, 2009, 04:26:21 PM
Quote from: teamroth on May 29, 2009, 04:23:25 PM
Awesome Jeff! I would say very soon you will be jumping creeks and running from the law! It really is amazing the work they have done.
I tell ya, seeing this in person really makes these pictures look bad. The paint is smooth as ice and deep like you can dive into it. I can now imagine how this is going to look while painted.. Especially with the "twist" we have planned. Nothing too 'out there', but it'll DEFINITELY stand out. :coolgleamA: There will definitely be no other like it.
I'm thinking you guys are gonna put a twist on the decals :scratchchin:
DECALS??!! Bite your tongue!! We ain't usin' no stinkin' VINYL :slap: , and yes, that's part of the twist, but not all of it ;D
You know what I mean!!! I didn't feel like saying "01, Confederate flag and General Lee" :lol: :nana: Hey Jeff, I think after it's done...you should take it up to Tommy's house and do a big burnout in his driveway :D
Quote from: 69bronzeT5 on May 29, 2009, 04:37:11 PM
You know what I mean!!! I didn't feel like saying "01, Confederate flag and General Lee" :lol: :nana: Hey Jeff, I think after it's done...you should take it up to Tommy's house and do a big burnout in his driveway :D
He's not worth the gas I'd burn.
SWEET :D
Its looking great so far but I am nervous about this "twist" you have in the works. Kenny Shepperd did a "twist" on his Lee from the show Rides and it makes me want to Barf. However after seeing where this car has been (grinder, Hell, and shame) anything would be good. I am exited and scared at the same time...can't wait to see the finished job.
Quote from: RamchargerMopar on May 29, 2009, 07:55:45 PM
Its looking great so far but I am nervous about this "twist" you have in the works. Kenny Shepperd did a "twist" on his Lee from the show Rides and it makes me want to Barf. However after seeing where this car has been (grinder, Hell, and shame) anything would be good. I am exited and scared at the same time...can't wait to see the finished job.
Yea, when he mention "twist" on the decals I was like :o , you have a point about KWS car. I hope Jeff's car isn't like that. KWS's flag was good though. Jeff has come along way with this car where as others would have just thrown in the towel and said heck with it leaving yet another charger die (yet they complain about a certain show :smilielol:) and yet they would have killed one them selfs. Jeff kapt on with the car and had the problems fix. :cheers:
Quote from: RamchargerMopar on May 29, 2009, 07:55:45 PM
Its looking great so far but I am nervous about this "twist" you have in the works. Kenny Shepperd did a "twist" on his Lee from the show Rides and it makes me want to Barf. However after seeing where this car has been (grinder, Hell, and shame) anything would be good. I am exited and scared at the same time...can't wait to see the finished job.
:rofl: :rofl: Don't worry, it's nothing like that, trust me.. The car will look good, and anyone that's a GL fan will appreciate it. And to be honest with you, it's something that you'll really need to be in front of the car to appreciate (not literally). But the graphics, while being painted on the car, will be based on the series car.
:cheers:
And you're right, I could have put this car through a wood chipper and it would have looked better.
Quote from: MoparManJim on May 29, 2009, 08:03:06 PM
Quote from: RamchargerMopar on May 29, 2009, 07:55:45 PM
Its looking great so far but I am nervous about this "twist" you have in the works. Kenny Shepperd did a "twist" on his Lee from the show Rides and it makes me want to Barf. However after seeing where this car has been (grinder, Hell, and shame) anything would be good. I am exited and scared at the same time...can't wait to see the finished job.
Yea, when he mention "twist" on the decals I was like :o , you have a point about KWS car. I hope Jeff's car isn't like that. KWS's flag was good though. Jeff has come along way with this car where as others would have just thrown in the towel and said heck with it leaving yet another charger die (yet they complain about a certain show :smilielol:) and yet they would have killed one them selfs. Jeff kapt on with the car and had the problems fix. :cheers:
Thank you Jim !! Have faith, it won't disappoint. (well, it might disappoint those that hate General Lee's, but that's unavoidable)
you have a PM RamchargerMopar (look up above where it says "my messages")
Quote from: mikepmcs on May 29, 2009, 08:04:07 PM
you have a PM RamchargerMopar (look up above where it says "my messages")
Mike -- You will (see and hear) all of the details tomorrow!!
Hey Jeff, Tom here, thanks for the shout out. Kudos for sticking with the General and not bailing. Car looks awesome... can't wait to see it in person at a local show this summer.
Welcome to the site :cheers:
I know where the message thing is and I thought of responding but I will do it here instead. My OPINION of KWS's car is simply my OPINION and I stand by how I feel about the car. If he likes it that is great and fantastic and applaud the bold statement he makes with said car. But I am not going to change what I say about it simply because he is a member of this board and others will be "mad" that I said it. However everything else about KWS's GL is freekin bad azz.
I for one like his car :Twocents: But how about we not turn this into a fight about KWS' GL...this is about Jeff's GL! :icon_smile_wink:
Ok cool.. I can respect your opinion.. But with that in mind I am not altering the design/layout of the GL's graphics at all. I bought this car because I love the General Lee, not because I wanted to seriously alter it.. I just want to give it a few custom touches that make it "mine".
Then again, removing 972 lbs of Bondo did that, technically.
Quote from: topcat390 on May 29, 2009, 08:17:20 PM
Hey Jeff, Tom here, thanks for the shout out. Kudos for sticking with the General and not bailing. Car looks awesome... can't wait to see it in person at a local show this summer.
Hey Tom!!!!!! Glad you came over!!
Thanks for the comments, although I can't take too much credit for this build except writing the checks, and occasionally getting fitted for a new straight jacket!
Either way, we'll be seeing you around, and any time you're around on the weekend and want to take a ride you're more than welcome, cause God knows we'll never get Chris out of town.
Sorry sped going to Wrentham tomorrow and sunday, Maine two weeks ago, and NED next weekend for Camaro Firebird Showdown. LOL
That's going to be an aweful expensive shipping bill sending all that Bondo back where it came from! Car looks great! I can't wait to see it in person. By the way, when is Chuck R installing the straight front axle? LOL
Yeah baby, I like what I'm seeing. Now were getting somewhere. :2thumbs:
real sexy!!!!
Very nice Jeff. :drool5: :2thumbs: It is so cool to see the car getting to the end of this mess. I think I can speak for all when I say that the way BK AUTO built your car was the worst that most have ever seen to hit the public eye. I think it's great that some "Magazine people" and other Car guys just had to check out with their own eye's the kind of crap work that BK Auto did. :smilielol: :rofl: But now it is getting done correct and you will have it home in time for M.A.T.S. next year. :2thumbs: Chuck...........
As a matter of fact, Chuck, I just bought some nice new MATS to go with my new carpet set.. I want the interior to look nice too.
Thanks for the tip :cheers: :cheers:
What an awesome day yesterday was... Here's a link to the thread with some pictures.
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,57784.0.html
Anyways, I have a couple more pictures, I'll post them in a bit.. But for now I'm going to work in the yard and play in the pool :nana:
Ok, I wanted to share a few pictures with you.. First off, one of the creative gurus at the shop likes to restore vintage bicycles in his spare time. This is a 1970 that he made his own set of wheelie bars. He likes to go to shows and swap meets demonstrating this cool ride.. This guy is a riot and definitely knows how to have a blast!!!! He's also huge into the motorcycle scene, and in one of the shots you can see one of the (few) choppers he's building.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6566Medium.jpg)
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Ok, back to the car.. The (mangled) headlight panel is in place along with the lower valance panel that's been completely straightened up. This will come back off, thanks to Mike's donated parts and will be 100% perfect!!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6570Medium.jpg)
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And just a quick off-subject jump, but here's Jon's car (the shop owner who did all of my metal/electrical/cage work early on) launching at the track yesterday.
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Damn, I wish my Charger was that far along. It'll be a while before that happens. But, yours is looking good. :yesnod:
Quote from: 69*F5*SE on May 31, 2009, 05:33:14 PM
Damn, I wish my Charger was that far along. It'll be a while before that happens. But, yours is looking good. :yesnod:
Thanks!!
You know what's odd? I know this car has been to Hell and back, but I'm still more excited than a kid at Christmas at the thought of this thing coming home. Now I KNOW the dream's coming true and will actually LAST (this time around).
Dude, that car will last FOREVER with this quality of work. Just do the regular maintenance and she'll serve you well. :2thumbs:
Quote from: KS71owner on May 31, 2009, 07:55:05 PM
Dude, that car will last FOREVER with this quality of work. Just do the regular maintenance and she'll serve you well. :2thumbs:
Oh believe me, the car's going to have a good life from here on out!! It might take some counseling to move on past the whole BK Auto nightmare, but we'll be ok in the end.
Quote from: jb666 on May 31, 2009, 07:57:54 PM
Quote from: KS71owner on May 31, 2009, 07:55:05 PM
Dude, that car will last FOREVER with this quality of work. Just do the regular maintenance and she'll serve you well. :2thumbs:
Oh believe me, the car's going to have a good life from here on out!! It might take some counseling to move on past the whole BK Auto nightmare, but we'll be ok in the end.
Hahaha... I think we will ALL need some counseling after this..... Now where's that "gun to the head" smiley?? :D
Quote from: KS71owner on May 31, 2009, 07:55:05 PM
Dude, that car will last FOREVER with this quality of work. Just do the regular maintenance and she'll serve you well. :2thumbs:
dont you mean Just do the regular maintenance and "HE" will serve you well????
true...this is a Lee. My bad. :icon_smile_blackeye:
Hey JB,
did you get your daughter a new car? :rofl:
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You're killing me!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Quote from: Cozmo on June 01, 2009, 12:33:24 PM
Hey JB,
did you get your daughter a new car? :rofl:
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Cool Bug
I wonder if BK built it :shruggy:
Quote from: jb666 on June 01, 2009, 05:18:21 PM
I wonder if BK built it :shruggy:
Nah, quality is too good...lol
Nea, your looking at there 250,000.00 good paint job there! :smilielol:
No folks, it's not one of there cars.
Jeff have you been working on video for this project? I was wondering if you have a disk of all the pictures on a disk some where from start to the looming finish, I would like to put together a slide show if you dont mind.
Quote from: Cozmo on June 01, 2009, 12:33:24 PM
Hey JB,
did you get your daughter a new car? :rofl:
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Cute. I came across a Duster that someone had painted up like that, but cant remember where I saw it.
Quote from: RamchargerMopar on June 02, 2009, 06:14:12 PM
Jeff have you been working on video for this project? I was wondering if you have a disk of all the pictures on a disk some where from start to the looming finish, I would like to put together a slide show if you dont mind.
Hi -- I have a ton of pictures but haven't put them on a CD yet. I would definitely like that!! I could ZIP & Email them to you in groups?? I'll shoot you a PM :cheers: :cheers:
It was on Craigslist. I remember you sent me the link. ;)
......
Quote from: mikepmcs on June 02, 2009, 08:52:12 PM
......
I'm talking about the Duster that Tilar is talking about ;)
I'm re-posting this link for a buddy of mine... Chuck, click here:
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,57784.0.html
since there is 160+ pages I was wondering if AutoInstruments ever had a hand in your dash since it was all hacked up. Did they ever tell you whether they actually rebuilt it? or was that another of BK's lies?
Quote from: scatpack69 on June 03, 2009, 08:25:46 PM
since there is 160+ pages I was wondering if AutoInstruments ever had a hand in your dash since it was all hacked up. Did they ever tell you whether they actually rebuilt it? or was that another of BK's lies?
Thanks for the reminder, to date they haven't responded. I'll give them a call again tomorrow.
It COULD be another BK lie. All Brian gave me was a bunch of BK slips that said they were rebuilt by AutoInstruments, and a big box from AI with a tick-tock-tac inside it, refinished to match the dash gauges (white face). Chuck owns that now.
ok cool.
I'm amazed at how fast this is coming along. it's looking awesome. :2thumbs:
I am itching for a fix man come on! More pix!
Quote from: RamchargerMopar on June 05, 2009, 12:28:08 PM
I am itching for a fix man come on! More pix!
Ok, I'll give you a teaser. The color is done, something extra's going in right here, then 4-6 coats of clear are going on. I'll have a lot more pictures later... Just something to show you that IT'S PAINTED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/Picture217Medium.jpg)
YEAH! :2thumbs:
:scratchchin: Ummm, your ghosting in www.dodgecharger.com??
:2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: SWEEEEEEEET !
OMG!! it's going from being a ghost to coming orange! :cheers:
Quote from: Steve P. on June 05, 2009, 02:22:58 PM
:scratchchin: Ummm, your ghosting in www.dodgecharger.com??
You lost me here.. What's this mean, Steve? :lol:
If you mean my pale complexion resembling a ghost, then yes, you are right, I could use some sun.
Quote from: jb666 on June 05, 2009, 02:35:47 PM
Quote from: Steve P. on June 05, 2009, 02:22:58 PM
:scratchchin: Ummm, your ghosting in www.dodgecharger.com??
You lost me here.. What's this mean, Steve? :lol:
If you mean my pale complexion resembling a ghost, then yes, you are right, I could use some sun.
Hahahahahahahahahaahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa...... I needed that...
You know, like ghost flames or stripes. Only it would be the site logo... Well, I guess that's not the surprise or you would have understood. Or your trying to keep it a surprise!!!! lol...
Quote from: Steve P. on June 05, 2009, 02:53:07 PM
Quote from: jb666 on June 05, 2009, 02:35:47 PM
Quote from: Steve P. on June 05, 2009, 02:22:58 PM
:scratchchin: Ummm, your ghosting in www.dodgecharger.com??
You lost me here.. What's this mean, Steve? :lol:
If you mean my pale complexion resembling a ghost, then yes, you are right, I could use some sun.
Hahahahahahahahahaahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa...... I needed that...
You know, like ghost flames or stripes. Only it would be the site logo... Well, I guess that's not the surprise or you would have understood. Or your trying to keep it a surprise!!!! lol...
Well, first, to give away ONE PART of the surprise, I'm going to make the Mopar guys happy(if it's possible to do that while making a General Lee out of a Charger) and say this -- I decided to use the color that IMO should have been used from day 1. Not Chevy "Flame Red", but Hemi Orange.
No ghost flames though.. Even better.. I'll spoil the surprise after I get more pictures taken (in person). He just called and is on the 4th (out of 6) coat of clear.
Everything Looks better in color. :2thumbs:
:popcrn:
Thank you :2thumbs:
YESSSSSSSS!!!!! Now we're getting somewhere. The end of the tunnel is looking very bright now. Cool. :icon_smile_cool:
Quote from: General_01 on June 05, 2009, 04:22:37 PM
YESSSSSSSS!!!!! Now we're getting somewhere. The end of the tunnel is looking very bright now. Cool. :icon_smile_cool:
And orange also.
QuoteI decided to use the color that IMO should have been used from day one. Not Chevy "Flame Red" but Hemi Orange.
From what I've been told, Hemi Orange actually
was tried for the GL on day one.
But take a look at the Challenger in "Natural Born Killers," and you see what the factory Hemi Orange paint shade comes out looking like on Hollywood's 35mm film stocks:
(http://blog.ultimatebet.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/977.jpg)
The DOH crew didn't wanna have to keep monkeying with the color timing of their prints just to keep the car looking right. So they basically picked the Corvette color because it looked like Hemi Orange on film. Flame Red is brighter and a bit more yellowish, and that did the trick.
Quote from: Mike DC (formerly miked) on June 05, 2009, 04:49:18 PM
QuoteI decided to use the color that IMO should have been used from day one. Not Chevy "Flame Red" but Hemi Orange.
From what I've been told, Hemi Orange actually was used for the GL on day one.
But take a look at the Challenger in "Natural Born Killers," and you see what the factory Hemi Orange paint shade comes out looking like on Hollywood's 35mm film stocks:
(http://blog.ultimatebet.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/977.jpg)
The DOH crew didn't wanna have to keep monkeying with the color timing of their prints just to keep the car orange. So they went with something brighter & a bit less red than the factory shade.
I've ALWAYS loved Hemi Orange, so when it came down to deciding on a color there was never any question for me.. I can't wait to see the thing..
:drool5: .......... :dance: :dance: come along way ..can't wait to see more pictures ..... once its painted :coolgleamA: :popcrn:
that's awesome!!! 6 coats, now that's what I'm talking about. :o
i'm excited for you brother!!! :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo:
Did you find that padding for the inside??
v/r
M
Quote from: mikepmcs on June 05, 2009, 06:27:20 PM
that's awesome!!! 6 coats, now that's what I'm talking about. :o
i'm excited for you brother!!! :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo:
Did you find that padding for the inside??
v/r
M
No, not yet.. But to be totally honest with you, I haven't looked too hard. I will get on it now though, believe me...
It's a pretty exciting time.. Not to mention, how many guys have had their car painted by a guy who moonlights as a Barry White impersonator?? I'll betcha that narrows it down.
I'll leave you with my dancing banana.
(http://domesticmisfits.net/forums/images/smilies/banana.gif)
I bet he was singing this one while he was painting. :2thumbs:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0I6mhZ5wMw
And this is what you'll be singing tomorrow when you see the car.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fcd3XuQwDQQ
Quote from: jb666 on June 05, 2009, 08:08:17 PM
Not to mention, how many guys have had their car painted by a guy who moonlights as a Barry White impersonator??
Since Hemi Orange has a real slight tint of Metallic I'm going to guess your surprise has something to do with this. Maybe more metallic? Maybe coarser metallic, maybe pearl instead of metallic? Or am I way off track? LEON.
Quote from: hemi-hampton on June 05, 2009, 08:22:05 PM
Since Hemi Orange has a real slight tint of Metallic I'm going to guess your surprise has something to do with this. Maybe more metallic? Maybe coarser metallic, maybe pearl instead of metallic? Or am I way off track? LEON.
Ahhhhhhhhhh, Leon, you are a smart man... :cheers: :cheers: I'll fill in the details tomorrow.
Quote from: mikepmcs on June 05, 2009, 08:18:34 PM
I bet he was singing this one while he was painting. :2thumbs:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0I6mhZ5wMw
And this is what you'll be singing tomorrow when you see the car.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fcd3XuQwDQQ
Quote from: jb666 on June 05, 2009, 08:08:17 PM
Not to mention, how many guys have had their car painted by a guy who moonlights as a Barry White impersonator??
Mike, I think I might have just peed my pants, THAT was funny!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Big C called me earlier (in between coats) and did the best Barry White impersonation on my voicemail :rofl:
Ahhhhhhhhhh, Leon, you are a smart man... I'll fill in the details tomorrow.
I'm a Painter, Whatcha expect ;) LEON
Quote from: hemi-hampton on June 05, 2009, 08:27:37 PM
Ahhhhhhhhhh, Leon, you are a smart man... I'll fill in the details tomorrow.
I'm a Painter, Whatcha expect ;) LEON
Then I'm surprised you didn't ask why a siphon fed gun was being used... You must have known what was going on..
For some reason I never noticed the Antique Siphon feed gun until now that you mentioned it, Just had to go back & look. LEON.
Quote from: hemi-hampton on June 05, 2009, 08:31:17 PM
For some reason I never noticed the Antique Siphon feed gun until now that you mentioned it, Just had to go back & look. LEON.
Just used for that one step.. While I'd love to make this car glimmer like the average Bass boat/Dune Buggy, I didn't want to go to an extreme, because it's not the car to do it on.. So we kept it subtle, but custom enough to know it's not normally like this.
So, I'm going to Guess he's using a big 2.0 (or similar) tipped primer gun with no filter to spray some big flakes :scratchchin:
Maybe scratch that last comment, just read your PM. LEON. :2thumbs:
Well, I got a sneak peek of the general in the booth today and WOW it came out incredible. A 10 in my opinion. But, I'm away until tomorrow afternoon so all the pics I have will not be up until then. I am very happy though, it's better than I thought!! Mike and larry can comment as they've both seen some pics. :popcrn:
TEASE........ :icon_smile_blackeye:
Quote from: jb666 on June 06, 2009, 04:55:17 PM
Well, I got a sneak peek of the general in the booth today and WOW it came out incredible. A 10 in my opinion. But, I'm away until tomorrow afternoon so all the pics I have will not be up until then. I am very happy though, it's better than I thought!! Mike and larry can comment as they've both seen some pics. :popcrn:
Why don't you just wait and not say a thing until you have the photos where you can then post then tell us
:icon_smile_wink: :RantExplode: :smilielol: . I was looking for to seeing the photos tonight. What ever happen to the saturday evening photo updates? :lol: :shruggy: Its now all a sudden Sunday eveing updates :shruggy: :lol:
I seen this thread updated and thought oh boy new photos of the car and guess what.. :scratchchin:
Quote from: MoparManJim on June 06, 2009, 05:38:12 PM
Quote from: jb666 on June 06, 2009, 04:55:17 PM
Well, I got a sneak peek of the general in the booth today and WOW it came out incredible. A 10 in my opinion. But, I'm away until tomorrow afternoon so all the pics I have will not be up until then. I am very happy though, it's better than I thought!! Mike and larry can comment as they've both seen some pics. :popcrn:
Why don't you just wait and not say a thing until you have the photos where you can then post then tell us
:icon_smile_wink: :RantExplode: :smilielol: . I was looking for to seeing the photos tonight. What ever happen to the saturday evening photo updates? :lol: :shruggy: Its now all a sudden Sunday eveing updates :shruggy: :lol:
I seen this thread updated and thought oh boy new photos of the car and guess what.. :scratchchin:
See that Jeff you created monsters! This thread is like crack and I check it almost everyday in hopes of grand and fantastic updates to soothe the pic monster inside me. I was jonesin' so bad the other day I had to search the forum for another build but it wasn't enough! I need more pics!!!!!!!
You guys are funny...
I just got back from being away, and sorted through about 100 pictures. I have to resize and crop a few, but first I need to unload and get a few things done..
Check out this helmet!! Vintage stuff here worn by the man behind the paint gun!!
TONS of pictures coming up!!!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6678Medium.jpg)
I will give ya one other spoiler shot...
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6646Medium.jpg)
Ok guys, it's picture time. One disclaimer here is this car is barely dry in these shots and there's a TON of clear over the flake. It obviously hasn't been wetsanded/buffed yet, so any 'texture(orange peel)' you see will soon be gone and this thing will look like a mirror. In a few of the shots I tried to capture the appearance of the flake, but until it's out in the sun it won't be something I can capture. It looks absolutely stunning in person. :drool5:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6622Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6623Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6624Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6625Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6626Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6627Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6628Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6633Medium.jpg)
The filters in the spray booth
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6634Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6635Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6636Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6639Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6640Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6642Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6643Medium.jpg)
TO BE CONTINUED......
Here you can see the flake close-up
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6644Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6647Medium.jpg)
They did an awesome job bagging this car up for paint. Didn't miss a spot!!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6649Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6651Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6652Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6653Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6654Medium.jpg)
Not sure if you remember the "before" of these , but this area was destroyed:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6656Medium.jpg)
Nice clean channels.. Unlike before where it looked like the Bondo was just smacked in there..
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6657Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6663Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6662Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6664Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6665Medium.jpg)
TO BE CONTINUED.....
I love the lines back here... These cars IMO are just so perfect...
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6658Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6659Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6660Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6661Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6666Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6667Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6668Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6669Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6670Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6673Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6674Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6675Medium.jpg)
And a really cool old Vette they are working on. This thing will be NICE when it's done!!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6676Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6677Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/photo-19.jpg)
That concludes today's pictures.. The next set will , more than likely, be of the car with the graphics painted on, but we'll see :cheers: :cheers:
Congrats! The Charger looks great. It's about time. Thanks for all the pics to view.
Quote from: 69*F5*SE on June 07, 2009, 12:23:50 PM
Congrats! The Charger looks great. It's about time. Thanks for all the pics to view.
Thanks for looking!! :cheers:
Looking GREAT! Jeff...
Want mine to look that good!! (not a GL replica of course though LOL :rofl: )
Looks incredible!!! :2thumbs:
C's the man! I like the t shirt and...... the helmet...well.......... that's just classic. :2thumbs:
I can't wait to see the car in person...I'm very happy for you. Those boys know their sh#$!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:cheers: :cheers: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :icon_smile_big:
Towel, towel please...CAN SOMEBODY PLEASE HAND ME A TOWEL!!!!!
Quote from: RamchargerMopar on June 07, 2009, 01:26:35 PM
Towel, towel please...CAN SOMEBODY PLEASE HAND ME A TOWEL!!!!!
What ya do, fall in? :smilielol:
Looks great, jb666!! :2thumbs:
Jason
wow Jeff ..looks awesome :yesnod: ..love the twist on the color :coolgleamA: good lot of pictures ! thats going to look :coolgleamA: once out sice & i day light :icon_smile_cool:
:2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
Awesome buddy. Just awesome.............. :2thumbs:
Quote from: tan top on June 07, 2009, 01:53:47 PM
wow Jeff ..looks awesome :yesnod: ..love the twist on the color :coolgleamA: good lot of pictures ! thats going to look :coolgleamA: once out sice & i day light :icon_smile_cool:
:2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
:D he's going to cut it? :lol:
Quote from: MoparManJim on June 07, 2009, 02:10:39 PM
Quote from: tan top on June 07, 2009, 01:53:47 PM
wow Jeff ..looks awesome :yesnod: ..love the twist on the color :coolgleamA: good lot of pictures ! thats going to look :coolgleamA: once out sice & i day light :icon_smile_cool:
:2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
:D he's going to cut it? :lol:
:smilielol: :smilielol: damn fingers :slap: Side nice .. are no where near each other on the key board :think: think my bus is here :shortbus:
Thanks guys!! I'm really excited now... It's coming towards the end!!
I just got back from a car/audio show and I wish I had the General there... Had to suffer with the Z06 :brickwall:
Very nice looking paint cupcake. ;) :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: I wish I could see it in person. ;)
Quote from: jb666 on June 07, 2009, 03:38:19 PM
Thanks guys!! I'm really excited now... It's coming towards the end!!
I just got back from a car/audio show and I wish I had the General there... Had to suffer with the Z06 :brickwall:
Poor baby :rotz: ;)
Looks like its coming along nicely....love to see the paint in the sun
Quote from: NOT Just 6T9 CHGR on June 07, 2009, 04:35:18 PM
Quote from: jb666 on June 07, 2009, 03:38:19 PM
Thanks guys!! I'm really excited now... It's coming towards the end!!
I just got back from a car/audio show and I wish I had the General there... Had to suffer with the Z06 :brickwall:
Poor baby :rotz: ;)
Looks like its coming along nicely....love to see the paint in the sun
I had to throw that in there since I know how much Charger guys love Vettes :lol: but today was a fun day..
I can't wait to see it in the sun either, it'll be great!!
Quote from: skip68 on June 07, 2009, 04:25:24 PM
Very nice looking paint cupcake. ;) :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: I wish I could see it in person. ;)
Fly on over, Chuck!! Maybe you could pick Brian up in Maryland, first. Save $$ on the trip!!
:drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5:
Looks good, Congratulations :2thumbs: :2thumbs: LEON
P.S. Was that a 67 Dart in Background :scratchchin:
Quote from: hemi-hampton on June 07, 2009, 05:06:31 PM
Looks good, Congratulations :2thumbs: :2thumbs: LEON
P.S. Was that a 67 Dart in Background :scratchchin:
Sure is, good eye!! It's getting a complete pro-street conversion. No expense is being spared on that job. :drool5:
Orange is GOOOOOD :D
:cheers: :cheers:
that's where the mirror mounts.
man that car looks good. Had to get one more peek before I retire for the night. :2thumbs:
Quote from: mikepmcs on June 07, 2009, 09:13:55 PM
that's where the mirror mounts.
man that car looks good. Had to get one more peek before I retire for the night. :2thumbs:
:shruggy: Whatchu talkin' bout, Willis??
Quote from: jb666 on June 07, 2009, 09:17:32 PM
Quote from: mikepmcs on June 07, 2009, 09:13:55 PM
that's where the mirror mounts.
man that car looks good. Had to get one more peek before I retire for the night. :2thumbs:
:shruggy: Whatchu talkin' bout, Willis??
I had posted asking if the driver door had an oops but directly after posting it I realized it was where the mirror mounts so I erased it and gave you cheers..I guess someone saw it before I could retract it lol
Quote from: hemi-hampton on June 07, 2009, 05:06:31 PM
Looks good, Congratulations :2thumbs: :2thumbs: LEON
P.S. Was that a 67 Dart in Background :scratchchin:
I actually gave you some bad info earlier. You thought it was a '67 because the rear lights were filled in. I thought it was a pro-street conversion because of what's being done, but this car is being built into a '68 Hemi Dart Clone. It's going to be amazing when it's done.
:o It's painted :o Looks awesome Jeff :2thumbs: Seems like just yesterday it was lots of this :brickwall: Soon it will be lots of this :drive: What are you doing for the GL badging? Still painting it on or are you going with removable decals? :cheers:
Quote from: captnsim on June 08, 2009, 12:46:20 PM
:o It's painted :o Looks awesome Jeff :2thumbs: Seems like just yesterday it was lots of this :brickwall: Soon it will be lots of this :drive: What are you doing for the GL badging? Still painting it on or are you going with removable decals? :cheers:
Thanks!
It'll be the graphics from the '78 era, and they are all being painted on using a bit of a 'custom touch'...
Lookin' good, couldn't help but smile when i saw the date on the pictures 6/6/9 :laugh:
Quote from: moparheater on June 08, 2009, 01:28:40 PM
Lookin' good, couldn't help but smile when i saw the date on the pictures 6/6/9 :laugh:
I'm surprised no one else commented on that :lol:
:popcrn: :popcrn: :popcrn: :popcrn:
Ok -- Small update. The roof (area) and doors have been wet-sanded in preparation of the graphics being painted on. The guys at the shop told me "wait until you see the car out in the main shop area, the lights hit it and it looks incredible". I'll be there Friday afternoon (not open Saturday) so I'll have new pictures Friday night.
I can't wait to see it together.. Bumpers, wheels, nose......But that'll be a while......
Amazing work! :cheers: That car has travelled a mighty long road to get to this point. Cheers to you for sticking with it! Can't wait to see the next set of pics! -Russ
Possum on a gumbush I am so excited! I dont know If I can wait that long googoogoo!!!
Tell me you didn't just say that :lol:
I I I'm sorry sheriff but ya see I'm all excited and Ha! This is so great golly! Almost like the time Daisy kissed me on the cheek!
Ok I'm done now lol :smilielol:
So, whats the deal with BK? are they living in a cardboard box and eating out of a garbage can?
Quote from: Back N Black on June 10, 2009, 06:10:10 AM
So, whats the deal with BK? are they living in a cardboard box and eating out of a garbage can?
All I can say is I HOPE SO. I have someone going by there this weekend, actually, and hope to have some news in that area.. But I'm not expecting much.
On another note, I got this email from a buddy today, it was kind of funny and thought I'd share it (killing some time)
Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 12:43 PM
Subject: good news and bad news
I stopped by Bill's today and your car is done and looks great. I wanted to try the dirtbike jump behind the shop and Chuck said I didnt have the balls. The good news is I made it, heres the bad news
http://www.rmauctions.com/CarDetails.cfm?SaleCode=RW09&CarID=r094
:lol:
:smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol:
That will buff out.
Well, to anyone wondering if BK was "out of business", I can officially say NO, they aren't.
From: BK Automotive LLC <bkautomotive@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Project Completion 1975 Lincoln Super CobraJet 'Mach 4' #0705-102
To: BKautomotive@sbcglobal.net
Date: Thursday, June 11, 2009, 5:48 PM
Hello, and thanks again for tuning in,
Since the last completion update we have been very busy, alot of projects geared up this spring making it a busy year, so this update is somewhat delayed, but I am getting them out as fast as I can.
The focus of this update is a very unique car, and one of my top favorites. Alot of the modifications are alittle subdued, as is our fashion, but it makes enough of a statement and has the power to back it up.
This car is our representation of what Ford would have built had they designed a Cobra Jet edition Mark 4. The engine is a custom Super Cobra Jet 460 putting out 550HP, custom interior and exterior modifications as well.
We look forward to seeing this car out at events and hearing feedback if you happen to see it out in person!
Too many details to list here or online, but you can see the page detailing its construction here: http://www.bkauto.net/1975%20Mach%204.htm
We deeply thank Tony for his business and appreciation of our work, and especially for his service to our country, and hope he gets many years of enjoyment out of this vehicle and passes it down as one very special family heirloom.
Waiting delivery in the wings: The Knight Interceptor, and Colt seavers' Fall Guy truck
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Alittle sudued, as is their fashion, but it makes enough of a statement.
Huh? In English??
Well, if it's "their fashion" that would translate to "rolling bucket of Bondo that's not safe or legal for street use"
:cheers:
Looks like there "welds" are as great as ever! I wonder if you can assemble a 460 with Bondo?
love the fan and no filters exhausting the paint fumes outside.
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I love how half of the shit was assembled in that shabby office, I even saw a general lee vector wheel holding something up! and that goddam water cooler!! maybe it's filled with the hardener for bondo and that's why it's in the pics of all of their builds...wait...they probably don't even use the hardener..
Quote from: ChgrSteve67 on June 11, 2009, 09:18:33 PM
love the fan and no filters exhausting the paint fumes outside.
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And they couldn't take 5 minutes to take the mirror/handles off the car. Another fine job.
I believe (if I remember right) that car is one that was done a while back. :scratchchin:
Quote from: skip68 on June 12, 2009, 09:49:33 AM
I believe (if I remember right) that car is one that was done a while back. :scratchchin:
I'm not sure... I didn't see it on their site when we were scoping every page AND that news letter just went out 2 days ago..... Not to mention a "friend" made a call to BK on Wednesday asking about building a "Starsky & Hutch" car and they talked for about 15 minutes about all of the different "options" but claimed it could be done, start to finish, in under 4 months.
So other than buying a business licence and having to pay taxes he is basically operating as he always has and always will?
I'll make a call and find out if he got legal.
Quote from: Ghoste on June 12, 2009, 09:54:59 AM
So other than buying a business licence and having to pay taxes he is basically operating as he always has and always will?
And who knows if they even did that.
It'd be sad to find that this has been less annoying for him than a fly on his window and he's still out there stealing from people.
I'll go blow the dust off the BK file and make a call in a bit.
UPDATE ---- Just got back from the shop (picture day is early, they aren't open tomorrow). Door graphics are traced out, and the roof (flag) is in place. You'll laugh when you see just how out of square/crooked the original graphics were. Thank you again, BK Auto.
Anyways, I'll re-size and upload now. Stay tuned, I'll be back after this slight commercial interruption.
First, I had to take a good look at my original picture, because for some reason I thought the 01 on the doors went in the direction of the (upper) body line. They aren't, they are lined up even with the bottom of the door.. No big deal..
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The roof section and doors are both wetsanded in preparation of the graphics..
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Old graphic in place, if for nothing else just to compare the size... The new stencil kit will be in on Monday. This will give a truck Georgia style flag/lettering setup for the roof.
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The old #'s came off in one pc, just like the flag, thanks to BK's excellent prep job. This actually helped quite a bit, in the end.
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Think the old roof vinyl was a little off?? Measurements were taken before the flag was removed, and this is where it was (and the tape is where it needs to be).
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There's a few more coming, but this is the bulk of them. Graphics should be done this week, then the fun/rewarding work really begins!!!!
Here's a car I know you'll all love. This thing's an animal.. Runs a 19 second 1/4 mile... Great daily driver!!
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Lookin good Jeffy! I am excited for you. I am looking at a 69 GL on Long Island. Guy wants 19k, for a 318 car, hoping to see it in person.
:cheers:
Looks awesome so far. Are you going to keep the tail light area orange?
I love this shot, showing the flake..
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Quote from: bordin34 on June 12, 2009, 03:33:30 PM
Looks awesome so far. Are you going to keep the tail light area orange?
No, but that'll be one of the last things done..
Quote from: teamroth on June 12, 2009, 03:32:59 PM
Lookin good Jeffy! I am excited for you. I am looking at a 69 GL on Long Island. Guy wants 19k, for a 318 car, hoping to see it in person.
:cheers:
let me know if you need me to look at it....what part of long island??
soooooooooooo sexy!
Thanks! The paint looks incredible in person, I tried to capture it's depth with the camera, but.... The cool part is it's gotta be wet sanded & buffed, so right now it's not even flat!!
You can see a bit of the texture, here.. Loads of clear, I love it!!
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And, I'm surprised no one's asked, but when you're looking at the rear "eyebrow" trim , you'll notice they are out a bit from the body. They were shimmed out during painting so that the paint would go down between them and the body.
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One thing I realized today when I was there was how freakin' HUGE this car is... It's a boat!! :yesnod:
And a bit off subject, but this is going to be awesome when they are done with it.. Their true love goes to Mopar, but they are equal opportunity employers!!
The engine bay/undercarriage is all 100% brand new and to OEM spec. It's amazing the detail that went into this car!!
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Man, I wish you were going to have that thing ready to go to Carlisle this year. I'd love to see it in person.
Quote from: Tilar on June 12, 2009, 04:04:35 PM
Man, I wish you were going to have that thing ready to go to Carlisle this year. I'd love to see it in person.
I wish, too.. But too much happened with the car, and I'm definitely not rushing the guys. But I PROMISE you it'll be there next year.. like I said in another thread, I have a free place to stay about a mile from the show and an enclosed trailer I can use to get the car there...
Plus, this winter the motor's coming out(and the engine bay's going to match the body), so by then it'll be the whole package. I know you're probably wondering why I didn't just have it all done now, but when the car was at Jon's (where the motor would have been pulled) I had NO IDEA the car would be this involved... So it wasn't planned. :cheers: :cheers:
Quote from: jb666 on June 12, 2009, 04:20:02 PM
Quote from: Tilar on June 12, 2009, 04:04:35 PM
Man, I wish you were going to have that thing ready to go to Carlisle this year. I'd love to see it in person.
I wish, too.. But too much happened with the car, and I'm definitely not rushing the guys. But I PROMISE you it'll be there next year.. like I said in another thread, I have a free place to stay about a mile from the show and an enclosed trailer I can use to get the car there...
Plus, this winter the motor's coming out(and the engine bay's going to match the body), so by then it'll be the whole package. I know you're probably wondering why I didn't just have it all done now, but when the car was at Jon's (where the motor would have been pulled) I had NO IDEA the car would be this involved... So it wasn't planned. :cheers: :cheers:
Trailer? What? Drive that sucker till the wheels fall off! Not BK style wheels fall off, but run it....lol
Quote from: autodynamics on June 12, 2009, 03:40:34 PM
Quote from: teamroth on June 12, 2009, 03:32:59 PM
Lookin good Jeffy! I am excited for you. I am looking at a 69 GL on Long Island. Guy wants 19k, for a 318 car, hoping to see it in person.
:cheers:
let me know if you need me to look at it....what part of long island??
AD it says West Hampton. Seems steep for a 318 car, but the dude hasn't answered my email yet.
Looking really good! Nice job for sure and I love that flake! :2thumbs:
Quote from: jb666 on June 12, 2009, 03:49:44 PM
One thing I realized today when I was there was how freakin' HUGE this car is... It's a boat!! :yesnod:
Yea, it's a real car and not a bumper car that they make now days that they call cars made with almost all plastic :lol:. You got yourself a real car there my friend ;). The work has paid off as the car is really looking good. :cheers:
INCREDIBLE!!!!!!!!!!!!
"And, I'm surprised no one's asked, but when you're looking at the rear "eyebrow" trim , you'll notice they are out a bit from the body. They were shimmed out during painting so that the paint would go down between them and the body."
There is absolutely no reason to question any of the work that is done by this fine group of artists! That right there just shows the care that is taken when they sculpt a car. It's just those little things that put them leaps and bounds above the norm. I love the way that everything is covered in the shop, etc......
Car looks awesome thanks for sharing. :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:.
v/r
Mike
Quote from: teamroth on June 12, 2009, 04:54:08 PM
Trailer? What? Drive that sucker till the wheels fall off! Not BK style wheels fall off, but run it....lol
With the motor that's in it combined with the gears, driving it there would cost me more than this rebuild :lol:
Quote from: mopar_nut_440_6 on June 12, 2009, 05:10:35 PM
Looking really good! Nice job for sure and I love that flake! :2thumbs:
Thank you. I'm glad I decided to go with it. It definitely sets me apart from the average paint job.
Quote from: mikepmcs on June 12, 2009, 05:42:50 PM
INCREDIBLE!!!!!!!!!!!!
"And, I'm surprised no one's asked, but when you're looking at the rear "eyebrow" trim , you'll notice they are out a bit from the body. They were shimmed out during painting so that the paint would go down between them and the body."
There is absolutely no reason to question any of the work that is done by this fine group of artists! That right there just shows the care that is taken when they sculpt a car. It's just those little things that put them leaps and bounds above the norm. I love the way that everything is covered in the shop, etc......
Car looks awesome thanks for sharing. :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:.
v/r
Mike
Thank you Mike. You know from visiting the shop that they are top notch. :cheers: :cheers:
The car looks awesome Jeff. The flake looks great. You have great people doing the work on this car. That is a fact. I can only hope that whenever I get the Bee done down the road that I can get people like this doing the work.
Here's to the guys doing the work. :cheers:
I agree they do a great job! I am looking for a two door 69/70 Chrysler Newport and to have these guys restore it would be I deal but I can only afford guys that do BK work :'(
I'd be willing to bet that all we are seeing done to this car by professionals (a correct major rebuild) is less than what BK charged for bondo hillbilly work. :yesnod:
And you'd be 100% correct there, chuckie.
Quote from: skip68 on June 14, 2009, 10:27:43 AM
I'd be willing to bet that all we are seeing done to this car by professionals (a correct major rebuild) is less than what BK charged for bondo hillbilly work. :yesnod:
This is true. And the up side of this is the work (done by professionals) will last longer and provide years of enjoyment. I intend to have my car fully rebuilt but not BK style, no way no how!
It's funny you'd say that, Chuck, and you got me thinking about it.. Brian sunk HUGE $$ into this car. Add to that what I paid him for it and what I've paid to restore this car properly.. This HAS GOT TO BE one of the most expensive General Lee builds in history!?!?!
Then, on the flip side of the coin, when I think about how cheap I got out of Jon/body shop bill , I am grateful, because it's a FRACTION of what Brian paid BK to hack this car up and now it'll last a life-time!!!
Have any of you heard of the story of LEE 1??? The first General Lee ever blah blah left to rot in some place out in the woods only to be restored??? I wonder how much that cost to restore.
Quote from: RamchargerMopar on June 14, 2009, 11:53:53 AM
Have any of you heard of the story of LEE 1??? The first General Lee ever blah blah left to rot in some place out in the woods only to be restored??? I wonder how much that cost to restore.
That's not Lee1 bud, it's more replica now. There is a thread about it over on the www.cglfc.com/wforum in the General Lee area called "Lee 1 Updated-Read FIRST POST AGAIN **NEW CONTRADICTIONS**" :shruggy:
Hey JB,
you need to bring that beast out to our regular Saturday evening gathering. No one around here has a GL. I know it might be a little drive, but worth it.
We had some Mopar Madness going on last night!
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Quote from: MoparManJim on June 14, 2009, 12:50:30 PM
Quote from: RamchargerMopar on June 14, 2009, 11:53:53 AM
Have any of you heard of the story of LEE 1??? The first General Lee ever blah blah left to rot in some place out in the woods only to be restored??? I wonder how much that cost to restore.
That's not Lee1 bud, it's more replica now. There is a thread about it over on the www.cglfc.com/wforum in the General Lee area called "Lee 1 Updated-Read FIRST POST AGAIN **NEW CONTRADICTIONS**" :shruggy:
its like the Kennedy assassination only with more evidence lol what a bummer. All hope of a normal life is now lost...RIP LEE 1.
Off topic and apologize Jeff but gotta put this one on the air cause last time I pm'd Ramchargermopar with a little friendly advice he got a little defensive.
SO..... in regards to Lee 1
Don't be so quick to lose faith on that bud. I happen to know a very reliable source that was part of that Lee 1 resto history and happens to be a member here(although he is now inactive) and good friend of mine. He stopped coming here because he was tired of dealing with all the BS. That car is in fact Lee 1.
He lived right down the street from us in Oxford and moved to Indiana to finish up the resto/documentation with Travis.
Here's a pic of Travis and Lee 1.
If anyone wants to argue about pieces that supposedly were sold off the car ruining it's history or whatever, then take it to the GL fan club site and ya'll can "Duke" it out there. I'm not here to argue about it. I know what I know and I won't argue back so you are wasting your time. That is also the reason I'm not an active member of that site or moparts for that matter. Too many cat fights and too many people that are better than everybody else.
Quote from: mikepmcs on June 14, 2009, 03:30:42 PM
Off topic and apologize Jeff but gotta put this one on the air cause last time I pm'd Ramchargermopar with a little friendly advice he got a little defensive.
SO..... in regards to Lee 1
Don't be so quick to lose faith on that bud. I happen to know a very reliable source that was part of that Lee 1 resto history and happens to be a member here(although he is now inactive) and good friend of mine. He stopped coming here because he was tired of dealing with all the BS. That car is in fact Lee 1.
He lived right down the street from us in Oxford and moved to Indiana to finish up the resto/documentation with Travis.
Here's a pic of Travis and Lee 1.
If anyone wants to argue about pieces that supposedly were sold off the car ruining it's history or whatever, then take it to the GL fan club site and ya'll can "Duke" it out there. I'm not here to argue about it. I know what I know and I won't argue back so you are wasting your time. That is also the reason I'm not an active member of that site or moparts for that matter. Too many cat fights and too many people that are better than everybody else.
Well said. If this was a Hemi Charger, a 500 or a Daytona...there wouldn't even be a debate about it.
Jason
Quote from: jaak on June 14, 2009, 04:42:36 PM
Quote from: mikepmcs on June 14, 2009, 03:30:42 PM
Off topic and apologize Jeff but gotta put this one on the air cause last time I pm'd Ramchargermopar with a little friendly advice he got a little defensive.
SO..... in regards to Lee 1
Don't be so quick to lose faith on that bud. I happen to know a very reliable source that was part of that Lee 1 resto history and happens to be a member here(although he is now inactive) and good friend of mine. He stopped coming here because he was tired of dealing with all the BS. That car is in fact Lee 1.
He lived right down the street from us in Oxford and moved to Indiana to finish up the resto/documentation with Travis.
Here's a pic of Travis and Lee 1.
If anyone wants to argue about pieces that supposedly were sold off the car ruining it's history or whatever, then take it to the GL fan club site and ya'll can "Duke" it out there. I'm not here to argue about it. I know what I know and I won't argue back so you are wasting your time. That is also the reason I'm not an active member of that site or moparts for that matter. Too many cat fights and too many people that are better than everybody else.
Well said. If this was a Hemi Charger, a 500 or a Daytona...there wouldn't even be a debate about it.
Jason
Well, I'm not going argue either, but I also have a good source that was with that project or part of the side line at the time. He even posted photos at times. I also remember the trunk lid ordeal as well from over on Jon's site.
Now back on topic here, sorry Jeff about that. Anyword on when the car will be back togother?
moving on...from now on all I will say is GOOD JOB.
:cheers:
No updates today, except that I think I AM CURSED. I ordered a General Lee stencil kit on Friday night from someone.. I paid UPS RED for the thing to make it there Monday.. It's the worst mess I've ever seen.. It can't be used...
No transfer paper for the vinyl to stick down (supposed to TAPE it in place??? Come on...
No registration marks --- Good luck guessing where to put these...
Sizes are so far off from my current graphics it's not funny...
So, after wasting (more) time and $$, the guys are having a kit made up using my old flag/letters...
:brickwall: :brickwall: :brickwall:
Did you use Bugsy? I wish I would have seen that. That guy is a bum. I have no idea why everyone kisses his a#@ over there.
Quote from: General_01 on June 16, 2009, 05:37:02 PM
Did you use Bugsy? I wish I would have seen that. That guy is a bum. I have no idea why everyone kisses his a#@ over there.
Yes, that's him. It seems like someone should say something on that site about his poor quality product. Why did it go on this long without anyone piping up and nobody warning Jeff about it on that other site.
I'm done with crappy vendors as I told Jeff last night when we vented to one another. From now on if I get crappy service or product and it's not resolved immediately, I'm calling the vendor out so nobody else gets ripped off and hopefully....... they either change their ways or we put em out of business. I'm done with it. Matter of fact DCX Depot is running a fine line with me right now because of crappy communication. It just seems like a lot of them think that they are the only game in town...bad assumption and bad business.
Those other forums exist for the same reason this one does and that is to do service to it's members and assist with the hobby. It just seems we fall short of that goal sometimes. I do believe that this site has some straight shooters for the most part.
v/r
Tired of getting crapped on by vendor guy. :icon_smile_big:
Yeah, that's who I got it from..
The guys working on my car have been doing this for a LONNNGGGG time. When they got the kit, the call I got yesterday was "What the Hell is this crap? This is garbage". I knew right there I was stuck...
I asked the shop to proceed with out the graphics on the car (I was that annoyed), but they wouldn't... I can't lose sight of my goals this close to the end...
People have called him out on his poor service. He always has a million excuses on why he doesn't answer emails, pm's, etc. Then when you post a thread about him he answers immediatly and then tries to make the customer look like a stalker who won't leave him alone. In the past 6 months I have seen 4 different threads from people trying to get him to send him their stuff. He eventually sends it, but who would want to do business with someone who takes your money and ignores you? :shruggy: I have never seen his stuff except for pics. It doesn't look that great to me.
I think the reason he gets return customers is because there are not many people making the decals for Dukes models and diecasts.
Quote from: General_01 on June 16, 2009, 06:31:22 PM
People have called him out on his poor service. He always has a million excuses on why he doesn't answer emails, pm's, etc. Then when you post a thread about him he answers immediatly and then tries to make the customer look like a stalker who won't leave him alone. In the past 6 months I have seen 4 different threads from people trying to get him to send him their stuff. He eventually sends it, but who would want to do business with someone who takes your money and ignores you? :shruggy: I have never seen his stuff except for pics. It doesn't look that great to me.
I think the reason he gets return customers is because there are not many people making the decals for Dukes models and diecasts.
Well, he certainly won't get any referrals from me.. Funny thing is, talking to him on the phone he talks like he knows his stuff, then you get his product and are left wondering WTF is going on.. :shruggy:
It's not like it was cheap, either...
Wait until he tells you the shop you are using is a bunch of amateurs. :smilielol:
Quote from: General_01 on June 16, 2009, 06:40:17 PM
Wait until he tells you the shop you are using is a bunch of amateurs. :smilielol:
Eh, it's ok.. He can say what he wants, I really don't care.. :cheers: :cheers:
I would think anyone reading this thread would KNOW BETTER than to try to pull a fast one. If he hasn't read it, it won't be long now...
Jeff, I'm glad the boys didn't let you cut off your dream. They damn sure are watching out for you....
Now THAT is how you take care of your customer AND build AND KEEP a great reputation... :2thumbs:
Quote from: Steve P. on June 16, 2009, 09:22:25 PM
I would think anyone reading this thread would KNOW BETTER than to try to pull a fast one. If he hasn't read it, it won't be long now...
Jeff, I'm glad the boys didn't let you cut off your dream. They damn sure are watching out for you....
Now THAT is how you take care of your customer AND build AND KEEP a great reputation... :2thumbs:
Ya know, Steve, some people aren't that bright.. He claimed, on the phone, he didn't really know about this site or my car, then he says "are you the one that had a car built by BJ's and it was bad and is being rebuilt?"
Come on man.. You are a "diehard General Lee guy" and you haven't read about this obnoxious thread that won't die? :brickwall: Where do I meet these clowns.
Man, when this thing's done I'm going to take a longggggggggggggggggggggggggggg vacation... The moon is looking good.
For anyone who cares, I've put my best foot forward. I think I'm being reasonable.
http://www.cglfc.com/CGLFCmessage_board.htm
My plea is under the GENERAL LEE STUFF section... I can't link directly to it for some reason..
what state are you in?
nevermind, found it in your profile.... :brickwall:
Here it is:
http://www.cglfc.com/wforum/viewtopic.php?t=23350
Quote from: c00nhunterjoe on June 16, 2009, 09:43:11 PM
what state are you in?
Boston, MA
Quote from: General_01 on June 16, 2009, 09:51:07 PM
Here it is:
http://www.cglfc.com/wforum/viewtopic.php?t=23350
Thanks. :cheers: My browser wouldn't allow me to copy/paste the direct link
mine wont either, it only posts the main site
Quote from: c00nhunterjoe on June 16, 2009, 09:59:57 PM
mine wont either, it only posts the main site
Yeah, it's odd. And like I said over there, I'm not looking to drag him through the mud, I just hate when people can't be decent enough to respond to emails/pms , especially when you've sent several, then hours later you see them posting about you in another thread....
Is honesty too much to ask for from vendors out there now? :brickwall:
i feel your pain, i've been burned many times and i am VERY hesitant to do anything online anymore, even ebay has caused me many headaches. just for the hell of it, why are you painting the flag and doors rather then use a decal kit?
my car used to have the painted on method, i liked it alot, i have not used these guys but the product looks very nice, i was going to go with this kit for my car when the time comes.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/STENCIL-GENERAL-LEE-Decal-sticker-100-PRO-Graphics-Kit_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp3286Q2em20Q2el1116QQhashZitem2ea5b2d2b3QQitemZ200348455603QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories
Quote from: c00nhunterjoe on June 16, 2009, 10:07:01 PM
my car used to have the painted on method, i liked it alot, i have not used these guys but the product looks very nice, i was going to go with this kit for my car when the time comes.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/STENCIL-GENERAL-LEE-Decal-sticker-100-PRO-Graphics-Kit_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp3286Q2em20Q2el1116QQhashZitem2ea5b2d2b3QQitemZ200348455603QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories
GOOD JOB!
Quote from: jb666 on June 16, 2009, 09:30:53 PM
For anyone who cares, I've put my best foot forward. I think I'm being reasonable.
http://www.cglfc.com/CGLFCmessage_board.htm
My plea is under the GENERAL LEE STUFF section... I can't link directly to it for some reason..
It was moved to the Out House area http://www.cglfc.com/wforum/viewtopic.php?t=23350 now.
So , I got a reply over there.. He's drawing pictures, talking about our phone call and doing anything he can to avoid a refund....
Quote from: jb666 on June 17, 2009, 12:29:24 PM
So , I got a reply over there.. He's drawing pictures, talking about our phone call and doing anything he can to avoid a refund....
Yea, I seen his drawings on over lap this, over lap that. I wouldn't even do that, the one Coonhunterjoe posted the link to on ebay doesn't even compare to that. What the hell did he send you? from the drawings he posted over there, it looks like a big puzzle. ::)
I don't know much about the vinyl he talks about, but can't use tape on it? All the viniyl I know of you can use tape on.
Quote from: MoparManJim on June 17, 2009, 12:37:20 PM
Quote from: jb666 on June 17, 2009, 12:29:24 PM
So , I got a reply over there.. He's drawing pictures, talking about our phone call and doing anything he can to avoid a refund....
Yea, I seen his drawings on over lap this, over lap that. I wouldn't even do that, the one Coonhunterjoe posted the link to on ebay doesn't even compare to that. What the hell did he send you? from the drawings he posted over there, it looks like a big puzzle. ::)
I don't know much about the vinyl he talks about, but can't use tape on it? All the viniyl I know of you can use tape on.
That's just it, I'm NOT giving something to my shop with "overlap here" and "Place here on the corner".
Quote from: jb666 on June 17, 2009, 12:39:13 PM
Quote from: MoparManJim on June 17, 2009, 12:37:20 PM
Quote from: jb666 on June 17, 2009, 12:29:24 PM
So , I got a reply over there.. He's drawing pictures, talking about our phone call and doing anything he can to avoid a refund....
Yea, I seen his drawings on over lap this, over lap that. I wouldn't even do that, the one Coonhunterjoe posted the link to on ebay doesn't even compare to that. What the hell did he send you? from the drawings he posted over there, it looks like a big puzzle. ::)
I don't know much about the vinyl he talks about, but can't use tape on it? All the viniyl I know of you can use tape on.
That's just it, I'm NOT giving something to my shop with "overlap here" and "Place here on the corner".
I'll be honest and say it right here, when I first saw the drawings I was like "what the heck is this of? and where is the starting point of it" then as I was trying to finger it out myself by looking at the photos they look like 2D or 3D puzzles where you need 3D glasses to finger them all out!
Quote from: jb666 on June 17, 2009, 12:29:24 PM
So , I got a reply over there.. He's drawing pictures, talking about our phone call and doing anything he can to avoid a refund....
I figured as much. :rotz:
Quote from: General_01 on June 17, 2009, 04:44:47 PM
Quote from: jb666 on June 17, 2009, 12:29:24 PM
So , I got a reply over there.. He's drawing pictures, talking about our phone call and doing anything he can to avoid a refund....
I figured as much. :rotz:
I don't know, but I've had it. I'm beginning to get real discouraged, and it sucks that this has to happen so close to the end of this project, but I think I'm gonna back-burner this whole car deal and not even think about it for a few weeks.. I've had it. People suck.. All they want to do is sell CRAP and then make excuses for it...
Not that the $$ I spent on this is a big deal, because in the big picture, it's not, it's just the principal.. I've had enough... So, I think my new approach, for a while, will be "What car?" and enjoy what I've got out (and on the road) right now...
:wave:
nooooo!!!!!! you cant give up now, it is so close. keep on fighting!
I can see your point. This whole car has been an ordeal so your feelings are understandable. I just think about how close you are. The shop is taking care of the stencil. Don't let Bugsy make you lose site of your end goal. In a few weeks you will have an awesome General. Go to some cruise nights in your Vette. Have some fun while the GL is being finished up. I for one can't wait to see it.
Just remember all the good people you have met through this build. You may never have met Mike if it weren't for this car. And Chuck. How different would your life be if you never heard of Chuck? (not sure if that is a good example to give, eh Chuck? :nana:)
Keep your chin up and just think about Carlisle next year. :2thumbs:
hell yeah, i would love to see this car in person!
Did you buy by credit card or paypal? If so, just do a charge back and let them fight for you.
Quote from: teamroth on June 17, 2009, 06:35:09 PM
Did you buy by credit card or paypal? If so, just do a charge back and let them fight for you.
I paid by PayPal, but they have a ton of new rules there and they don't stand by any "quality issues" , only damage(d) things, according to them.
Check out the thread over there, this guy Bugsy is a real pc of work... I can't believe someone would trash their own reputation over $200... It's crazy. Once I post pics you guys will LAUGH, this kit is a joke.
sounds like something to add to your rolling billboard for crappy vendors when you take it on the road. you're gonna need a semi. Hang in there brother! Talk later, back to work. I'll check that other sites thread tonight.
Mike
So get this.. As of the beginning of 2009, PayPal no longer "protects" people who do not buy through EBay. Where this was a "personal sale" there is nothing they can do.
So don't be fooled by "buyer's protection", it should read EBAY BUYER'S PROTECTION.
I spoke with a manager at PayPal's Resolution Center for a while this afternoon about my good friend Bugsy. It appears I'm not the only complaint of fraud on his record, but there aren't enough to open an official "fraud case" against him, YET. A case has been opened with him as a seller, and if a couple more people step forward in the next 90 days PayPal will then put the hammer down on him...
And oh, look, another person getting screwed by "Bugsy" as we speak...
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From: ***********
To: jb666
Posted: Thu Jun 18, 2009 5:24 pm
Subject: Hey......... Quote message
Man i ordered decals from this guy and still havent seen them!!!!!!(Bugsy) They seem to always have an excuse dont they??? I see your aggrivation...If he is gonna sell stuff........he NEEDS to get it out...On your side...
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So now, as I sit and wait for my car to be finished, I'm going on a mission to show "Bugsy" that it's not very nice screwing people over..
I lost $400 due to paypal's "buyer protection" on a forum deal
I went to buy a bunch of used parts off a guy we agreed on $400 for the parts shipped... I emailed him a day later and wanted to add another part for $40 more.... which he agreed to.
the guy shipped me one part worth about $20 and posted up the tracking number for the $400 payment... then he vanished, the best paypal was able to do was refund me the $40 payment because it didn't have a valid tracking number... but as far as they were concerened the guy shipped me SOMETHING and that was a-ok for the $400 part of it :brickwall:
for future reference ... paypal automatically defaults to direct withdrawal out of your bank account as opposed to a credit card payment (they "recommend" this because it's a cheaper method for them to collect your money)... now if I ever buy anything more than $20 I manually switch the payment method to CREDIT CARD as opposed to BANK TRANSFER (there is no way to default this, you have to do it manually every time).
if you use credit card instead you can call your credit card company and have the charge reversed... unlike paypal they actually like you as a customer and do as you wish.
there is a good chance that this will piss off paypal and they'll close your account for going above their heads, though I've heard that they're a lot more "friendly" to your needs if they know it was a credit card transfer and you threaten to have them reverse the charge (mostly because this acts as a strike against paypal and not a strike against the seller)... but as long as you know what you're doing you'll get your money back with a credit card transfer.
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and yeah that vinyl he sent you was a joke... obviously he just bought a vinyl cutter and built the flag to be created in layers... which just just plain dumb and ugly. They're not legit printed graphics, and I'd get my money back and have them painted properly ;)
EDIT: looking at that eBay auction it looks legit... and the guys feedback is GLOWING.... what's another $200 to get the graphics done right at this point... deal with getting your money back from bugsey and and in the mean time move forward with some proper stencils.
I know it feels to drop hundreds and thousands on parts that don't work out, or scum-bag sellers who lied or mis-represented what they were selling. the best thing you can do is deal with them the best you can and move on with your build...
Well, they are being painted correctly (thanks to a local vinyl guy, long story). And you're right about PayPay, 100%... It's a shame, really.
As far as old "Bugsy" goes, well his house of cards will crumble around him... Will it be worth the $200 he screwed me out of?
:popcrn:
I've used Bugsy's decals on several occasions. I've bought several 1/24th scale, 1/16th scale, and 1/18th scale General Lee decals from him. Decals were perfect and I got them quickly. They are still on my diecast and model cars. I'm surprised you're having this much trouble with Bugsy. :shruggy: Of course I've never bought full size decals.
Quote from: Sabre on June 18, 2009, 08:50:21 PM
I've used Bugsy's decals on several occasions. I've bought several 1/24th scale, 1/16th scale, and 1/18th scale General Lee decals from him. Decals were perfect and I got them quickly. They are still on my diecast and model cars. I'm surprised you're having this much trouble with Bugsy. :shruggy: Of course I've never bought full size decals.
And that's just it, these weren't one of his decal kits... This was a stencil kit so the graphics could be painted on... On the phone that night he said "Oh yeah I've done tons of these... I'll fix you right up". I was siked...
Now, when the poop hits the fan he says "I'm not a stencil guy, I do decals!!". Well, had he just told me that we'd be fine..
I'm cool anyways, the $$ is getting refunded by my CC company and THEY are retrieving the $$ from him, so all is well. I'll be shipping these back to him (Since PayPal was nice enough to fork his address over for return shipping), and this saga can come to an end...
As for Bugsy, personally, I think he's just flat broke , already spent the $$ and CAN'T refund it.. Is that any excuse for his line(s) of BS? No, but oh well, to each his own
So what is the scoop on the car? New pics of how they are applying the graphics? I am always curious to see how different shops paint the flag on.
Quote from: c00nhunterjoe on June 18, 2009, 09:01:01 PM
so what is the scoop on the car? new pics of how they are appying the graphics? i am always curious to see how different shops paint the flag on
Well, the thing here is I'm not one of these guys that "has to have it exactly like the _____ General Lee" from a certain era.. To me, a flag's a flag regardless of the time span... I have the "Georgia Graphics" on the car now , and those are being copied...
So the Pearl White base goes down first, then the colors on top of it. When that's done it'll get buried in clear (same with the doors).
No graphics on the rear (trunk area). I don't like those..
I'll have more pics this weekend, although (thanks to Bugsy) the car's in a holding pattern.....
Quote from: jb666 on June 18, 2009, 08:57:06 PM
Quote from: Sabre on June 18, 2009, 08:50:21 PM
I've used Bugsy's decals on several occasions. I've bought several 1/24th scale, 1/16th scale, and 1/18th scale General Lee decals from him. Decals were perfect and I got them quickly. They are still on my diecast and model cars. I'm surprised you're having this much trouble with Bugsy. :shruggy: Of course I've never bought full size decals.
And that's just it, these weren't one of his decal kits... This was a stencil kit so the graphics could be painted on... On the phone that night he said "Oh yeah I've done tons of these... I'll fix you right up". I was siked...
Now, when the poop hits the fan he says "I'm not a stencil guy, I do decals!!". Well, had he just told me that we'd be fine..
I'm cool anyways, the $$ is getting refunded by my CC company and THEY are retrieving the $$ from him, so all is well. I'll be shipping these back to him (Since PayPal was nice enough to fork his address over for return shipping), and this saga can come to an end...
As for Bugsy, personally, I think he's just flat broke , already spent the $$ and CAN'T refund it.. Is that any excuse for his line(s) of BS? No, but oh well, to each his own
It appears to me Bugsy got in over his head, he should have stuck with small decals instead of full size stencils. I don't know the guy personally, I've ordered several decals from him over the past few years and was pleasantly satisfied. I'm just surprised he wasn't replying to your messages or willing to refund the money. I never had a problem with him, I always got what I ordered rather quickly. The decals I ordered were imo top notch, so I'm surprised the stencils were not. When owning a business one should always be willing and able to be in contact with the customer. That and willing to refund ASAP if the customer is not satisfied.
Don't give up on your GL, you're so close to the finish line.
lol, i didnt mean what version of the graphics, i meant the body shops personal techniques for the flag. i'm with you, a general is a general, a flag is a flag.
Oh , that I will definitely share... This shop has done some custom airbrush/paint work that'll blow your mind, it's awesome...
Kind of like these diagrams Bugsy (or maybe his 4 year old neighbor playing around with CAD) drew up for my "jigsaw puzzle" of a stencil kit:
(http://www.bugsysjunkers.com/decals/regmarks.jpg)
(http://www.bugsysjunkers.com/decals/regmarks2.jpg)
:o
yeah, i saw them on cfglfc
Quote from: c00nhunterjoe on June 18, 2009, 09:52:33 PM
yeah, i saw them on cfglfc
Oh, but I wanted to share them... Much like I'll share pictures of my "custom kit" for the next 10 years to anyone I hear that's looking for a vinyl/stencil kit when telling them who NOT to buy from.
:cheers: :cheers:
:smilielol: :rofl:
Quote from: jb666 on June 18, 2009, 09:55:56 PM
Quote from: c00nhunterjoe on June 18, 2009, 09:52:33 PM
yeah, i saw them on cfglfc
Oh, but I wanted to share them... Much like I'll share pictures of my "custom kit" for the next 10 years to anyone I hear that's looking for a vinyl/stencil kit when telling them who NOT to buy from.
:cheers: :cheers:
Already helping you out with that Jeff.
http://www.cglfc.com/wforum/viewtopic.php?t=23359
I'm sorry Jeff, but you would think that a car that is getting this much attention and going to get more, you would get good stuff from the guys selling it. :rotz: Your car will be top notch when done so just keep that in mind. I am still working on my stecils of "VENGENCE" so hang in there. :drool5: I think they will be in 1/15th.09573-274-5+3x.1 scale. So they should fit like a glove and the guys at the shop will have a real easy time doing them. :smilielol: :nana:
Does anyone have the positioning for the 01 on the doors?
(http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h177/Wolian/Boards/gleedoorloc.jpg)
:smilielol: Ok sorry... I just couldn't help it. :D
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Thanks!! I needed a good laugh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
where are the pics???????????????
I haven't been there yet...... The shop is about 40 miles from my work and they are open the same hours that I work, so normally I only go over there on Saturdays.... I'll have some shots in the next day or so.
Not much has changed since last weekend's pictures, though because of the stencil mix-up..
I thought this was rather ironic/sad/funny however you want to look at it.
http://cglfc.com/wforum/viewtopic.php?t=7362
Page 6 & 7 a guy orders decals and waits and waits and waits. Questions Bugsy several times and this is his response.
Quote from: Bugsy"I'm sorry I am not on the computer on weekends Because I'm not at work I have stuff with my church to do on weekends and dont have the time sorry But I do always get back to everyone when I can
SO CHILL OUT
I dont need 40 PM's and 100 emails in just a few hours.
I have said over and over again If I get 40 emails or PM's in one day I DONT ANSWER YOU JUST BECAUSE YOU SENT ME SO MUCH
I cant read all of that I dont have time so send me 1 maybe 2 emails but not 100
Aply this to who it aplys OR If the shoe fits whare it!!!!!"
And to top this all off, he finally sends the guy his decals and now said guy can't kiss his butt enough. And as far as not answering emails or PMs because "you sent me so much" is a big crock.
Quote from: Switchback on June 19, 2009, 01:02:42 PM
I thought this was rather ironic/sad/funny however you want to look at it.
http://cglfc.com/wforum/viewtopic.php?t=7362
Page 6 & 7 a guy orders decals and waits and waits and waits. Questions Bugsy several times and this is his response.
Quote from: Bugsy"I'm sorry I am not on the computer on weekends Because I'm not at work I have stuff with my church to do on weekends and dont have the time sorry But I do always get back to everyone when I can
SO CHILL OUT
I dont need 40 PM's and 100 emails in just a few hours.
I have said over and over again If I get 40 emails or PM's in one day I DONT ANSWER YOU JUST BECAUSE YOU SENT ME SO MUCH
I cant read all of that I dont have time so send me 1 maybe 2 emails but not 100
Aply this to who it aplys OR If the shoe fits whare it!!!!!"
And to top this all off, he finally sends the guy his decals and now said guy can't kiss his butt enough. And as far as not answering emails or PMs because "you sent me so much" is a big crock.
Yea, plus look at this ::) http://www.cglfc.com/wforum/viewtopic.php?t=23200
Now, I'm not kissing his behind, I was just stating in there about how I recived the items I got from him, Plus I laso told how they work and why I stop useing his stuff for to. I already explain to Jeff about this in a PM also.
Yeah, it is pretty pathetic how he does business. The funny thing is 4 people have contacted me from that site because they got screwed by him and also got 100 excuses. I tell ya people like this guy Dennis give the hobby a bad name...
I took 1/2 day today so I could gather some information on "Bugsy" and sent it along to a couple of interested parties.. This guy doesn't know the slightest thing about running a business and is advertising all over the internet :o .. His domain under Mommy's name, his "business phone" under someone else's name... Looks like "Bugsy" has some credit problems too :lol:
On a good note, the $$ was returned to my account today, not by PayPal.. Not by Bugsy, but from my CC company...
They said it could be 60-90 days before they get everything together and hit PayPal for the $$, but THEY WILL (100% confident). The lady at PayPal said if that happens, PayPal will more than likely (eventually) close his account, especially if others step forward.
So.. That concludes the Bugsy series for today.. What a complete waste of time this guy was.
Very glad to hear this Jeff!!!
Way to stick it out and get some satisfaction.
Still limited use on my computer so i haven't gone back to the other site to respond but have read the posts. I guess point is null because you will receive a refund. now all we have to do is make sure vendor either shapes up or goes under. :cheers:
Glad things are moving forward :2thumbs:
I'll get back to you again over the weekend but this upcoming thursday man :2thumbs:
:D
Cool , Frank, I'll look forward to meeting you!! I've met some awesome people off this forum already :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
Well, I'm going to close the book on a saga... Dennis AKA Bugsy...
He had his Mommy come after me and defend him late last night. After going back and forth with her this morning it dawned on me (yeah, I know I'm a bit slow) that neither of them OR THIS STENCIL KIT are worth my time.. To FIGHT over $230 is ridiculous. If they need the $$ that bad and want to be dishonest , so be it, but I'm done with them... Imagine being a grown man and running to Mommy to defend your good name?? Wow...
I'll post pictures of the "kit" later, and y'all can decide if I'm full of crap. If you'd use this kit on your own vehicle, then I'll gladly accept that... In fact, YOU CAN HAVE IT if you want it :lol:
But as of right now, I'm done with them :cheers: :cheers:
:popcrn: You know Jeff, :popcrn: I'm gonna want that kit. :icon_smile_big: I love to have the crap work from other vendors for my collection titled "I can't believe they sold this". :smilielol: I guess that's why I was not welcome to join the CGLFC. I tried and tried to get in but it's a no go. :rotz: I grew up with the show, have a GENNY LEE but that's not gonna cut it. So, I guess I'll just play alone. ;) We could start our own club called THE GENERAL LEE CLUB WITH NO B.S. We would require our members to be honest and that's it. :scratchchin: I bet it will be a small club. :smilielol:
Well, I just got back in from taking a cruise in the Vette with the wife.. Went by the shop and happened to catch him picking a few things up!!
We didn't have a ton of time, but I was talking to him about the stencil kit that arrived.. The funny thing is that with this "repositional vinyl" , we tested the theory using one of the many pcs of scrap that came in my "custom kit" tube. There is NO WAY this stuff would stick down while the paint's being applied. Think of it like those "vinyl stickie decals" that you can keep putting down and re-using on other surfaces.. That's the type of vinyl this is. It's heavy vinyl with no adhesive what so ever on it.. Imagine even one slight corner lifting while you are spraying? You'd have to redo the entire thing..
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6727Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6728Medium.jpg)
The "kit" I got was brought over to the (local) guy this shop has used for 20 years. He's never done a GL "kit" before, but he has all of the measurements. Anyways, this guy said he has never seen a "stencil kit" (to be used for painting) like this before and that it's a "total joke". So, we have two shops with over 20 years experience laughing at the crap I got, but what do they know.
OK - Back to business... Not much done to the car this week because of this mix-up, so while they wait for the new stencils to be finished up, they finished up a couple of other projects...
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6737Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6738Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6739Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6740Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6741Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6742Medium.jpg)
:drool5: This thing is going to be AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Then this Grand Prix was being finished up.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6744Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6745Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6734Medium.jpg)
And this just got painted(uppers).. Gotta love the old Packards!!!!!!!!!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6731Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6732Medium.jpg)
And here's the General... Waiting patiently.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6735Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6743Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6746Medium.jpg)
:cheers:
there looks like a face is in the material.? am i missing something here?
Quote from: autodynamics on June 20, 2009, 05:23:55 PM
there looks like a face is in the material.? am i missing something here?
Holy shit!! I hadn't seen that! There is a face in the material, and it wasn't done on purpose!! :o Good eyes you have there!!!!!!!!!!!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6727Medium.jpg)
Check out this totally customize machine that was in their shop today.. This thing is trick!!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6730Medium.jpg)
Lovin the coupe..... :2thumbs:
Quote from: jb666 on June 20, 2009, 05:25:55 PM
Check out this totally customize machine that was in their shop today.. This thing is trick!!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6730Medium.jpg)
There is one of these badboy's on youtube running nitrous :coolgleamA: (totally DESTROYS everything they thorw at it :lol:)
My first post in this thread. (And my 1st post on this site for a very long time too) I started reading your story when It was only 95 pages long. Buy the time I read the whole thing, it was 97 pages long. I wept at your sorrows, and shared you rage at the evildoers who commited the atrocities to this poor, poor car. I remove my hat to you sir. You dedication and perseverence is uncommon to say the least. I'd say I can't wait to see pictures of her all finished, but really that goes without saying! :cheers:
Whats the story mornin glory?
Gotta say guys, pics dont do justice. Car looks SWEET with that metallic flake. No progress yet, still waiting on stencil stuff. Real nice guys there.
:2thumbs:
Thanks frank!! I'm glad you got to see it in person!! They thought very highly of you as well.
More progress shots this week, hopefully.
Quote from: jb666 on June 26, 2009, 04:32:50 PM
Thanks frank!! I'm glad you got to see it in person!! They thought very highly of you as well.
More progress shots this week, hopefully.
Come on gimmy something man!!! I am so itchin for a fix...a lug nut! Picture of the grill, oh picture of a spare tire for the General or the Jack kit for him...SOMETHING!!!!! lol
Ok guys, nothing really new this week.. The car had to take a break from the action to get a couple of other hot projects finished, which they did, and WOW is this thing going to be hot... The weldwork on this car (that Jon and his shop built!) is stunning.. Between Jon and the body shop this car is awesome!! Sorry for the crappy quality pics, all I had on me was my IPhone but I wanted to get something for you guys...
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/4.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/5.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/6.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/7.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/8.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/3.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/2.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/1.jpg)
A couple of shots of the latest & greatest welding helmet :o
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/10.jpg)
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Here's Jon and his crew and what appears to be a new trophy!!
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And here's what kind of fun a few crazier than life people have on a Saturday afternoon with their golf cart :smilielol: , these guys are like an Xtreme stunt team, watching them mess around is a riot!!
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Well guys, I went by the shop today to check out my car... What do you think, looking good?? (Those really are my old door decals though!!)
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:2thumbs: :2thumbs:
I did get good news today, MY STENCILS ARRIVED!! They are in the hands of the artists, now it's time to watch it unfold...
Is the Stencil work being outsourced? LEON. :scratchchin:
, it was. To the shop the guys have used for 15+ years. They said it came out really nice and will work out perfectly.
:2thumbs:
Back in business.
That welding helmet is incredible. Tell the boys I said hey and I'm gonna buy a new welding helmet just to get it painted. :icon_smile_big:
Quote from: hemi-hampton on June 30, 2009, 08:51:57 PM
Is the Stencil work being outsourced? LEON. :scratchchin:
Sorry, I answered from my IPhone and it got cut off. Yes, the stencil kit was outsourced to a local shop that's done all of their stencil/vinyl work for years.
He said the "GENERAL LEE" lettering in my original kit wasn't a total wash. He used that as a guide to create the NEW stencils, but he did agree that without application paper everything in the "kit" I bought from Bugsy and his mom was useless, as expected.
Anyways, guess what surprise I got today?? The price of the new kit?? Because the guy who owns the (vinyl) shop felt bad about the "shit kit" I got from Bugsy and his mom, he did it all for UNDER $50!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Yep, I was shocked. At first one of the guys jokingly told me it was "only $700". When I woke up he told me he was just kidding..
So I'm pleased with that, and will be pleased to start posting progress pics again and stop talking so damn much :cheers: :cheers:
As far as BK Auto goes, well they live to see another day. I had someone go by their "shop" a couple of days ago and he confirmed they were still inside working :brickwall:
Meant not the Stencil itself but the paintwork using the Stencil. I assume these guys can handle it. Any Airbrushing involved, Is there a airbrush artist working at the shop? LEON.
Quote from: hemi-hampton on July 02, 2009, 08:22:02 PM
Meant not the Stencil itself but the paintwork using the Stencil. I assume these guys can handle it. Any Airbrushing involved, Is there a airbrush artist working at the shop? LEON.
Oh, sorry I misunderstood you. Yes, two of the guys at the shop are air-brush masters.. Some of the work I've seen roll out of that shop (custom murals, flames, etc...) just blows me away. I know it'll be done right. The paint's all been picked out, set aside and ready to roll.. The assortment of House Of Kolors being used is awesome!!!!
Why house of Color, They specialize more in Candy & Pearls & metalflakes & custom colors. :scratchchin: LEON.
Exactly. We chose pearls for this part of it.
:2thumbs:
Gonna look sweet!! :icon_smile_big: :icon_smile_big: :icon_smile_big:
OH, OK, Should look good. :2thumbs: LEON.
New updates coming this week.. The car's back in the paint booth :cheers: :cheers:
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:cheers:
Quote from: jb666 on July 06, 2009, 05:23:30 PM
New updates coming this week.. The car's back in the paint booth :cheers: :cheers:
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I love that paint booth. Somebody has some great talent and spare time! Just kidding! Looks great thought.
Can't wait to see that GL in pearl!
Quote from: mopar_nut_440_6 on July 06, 2009, 05:50:47 PM
Quote from: jb666 on July 06, 2009, 05:23:30 PM
New updates coming this week.. The car's back in the paint booth :cheers: :cheers:
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:cheers:
I love that paint booth. Somebody has some great talent and spare time! Just kidding! Looks great thought.
Can't wait to see that GL in pearl!
You nailed it.. He does the booth on his "days off" (Saturdays and Sundays). It's a good example of the talent running around in there.. That's why I was laughing when someone asked about a pro doing the artwork on my car.. It's kind of like asking an artist to draw a stick figure.. Child's play, compared to some of the stuff they've done.
:2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
The pics on the left remind me of the Odd Rods stickers we had as kids. Good stuff!~
There's some really cool stuff in the shop.. Like this 50's Pontiac they were getting ready to roll out to a huge 4th Of July party at the owner's house.. This car is gorgeous, but the part that amazes me was the size of it. It's a boat!!
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That looks to be a 1955 or 1956 Pontiac Star Cheif Convertible!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pontiac_Star_Chief
WOW!! She's a beaut. I would guess a 55 or 56'.
Pretty sure it's a 56 with the bumper on it. 55 had a split in the upper bumper bar but in any case it's a gorgeous car.
You guys are right, it's a 1956 Star Chief. :cheers: :cheers:
I just got great news... My doors are completely finished and they are moving on to the roof now!!!
Won't be long now.......... :cheers:
Can't wait to see it. :2thumbs:
:2thumbs: This has been one hell of a long journey and the end of this chapter is near. :yesnod: Well done.
Well, today was a bit unexpected... I have this week off, so I was down getting my exhaust done on the other Charger (about a mile from the General's shop) when my phone rang.. It's the guy from the shop, and he says to me "I wish you were near here, you'd love this!!". I said " I'm about a mile from you, I'll be right over!!"
To say that I'm happy would be an understatement.. The doors came out incredible. The graphics were painted on with a White Pearl first, then the Black went on (they decided NOT to use Pearl Black for this step) and were then buried under 5 coats of clear.
The roof (Pearl Base) is complete -- Flag AND lettering. Tomorrow the color starts to go down..
I only had my IPhone with me (had an empty camera case :brickwall: ) so please excuse the photo quality, but I'll have some better shots tonight, when one of the guys from the shop forwards his pictures to me.. Then towards the end of the week will be some really nice shots!!
What's great though is that the placement, measurements and all details of these graphics have been checked, re-checked and checked again.. Everything is as it should be!!!
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These things look like they are a mile under the clear, it's awesome!!
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And here you can see that ONCE BACKING PAPER was applied to Bugsy's Mom's "stencils", the "General Lee" lettering could be used, but the way Bugsy's Mom sent me the graphics they could have never been used.
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perfect. i knew they would be incredible considering the level of talent. tell the boys they are wicked mint!! :2thumbs: :2thumbs: on the road right now, talk later.
Here are a few shots taken earlier (by the shop)
Getting ready for the base coat:
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Looking good Jeff... :cheers:
:o wow jeff ..thats looking awesome !! :popcrn: :popcrn:
Good Job! :2thumbs: :coolgleamA:
Thanks guys... More pictures coming soon.
I just met up with the local Mopar/parts guy and grabbed the last pc of my puzzle, the front marker (reflector) assembly. He's going to be checking this thread out... About 3 months ago I picked up a set of OEM (STILL IN THE BOX) exhaust tips from him for Troy and have been in contact with him ever since.. His name's Phil and hopefully he signs up and says HI, he's got more Mopar knowledge in his head than most website, it's pretty cool!! :icon_smile_cool:
i can't wait to see it finished . :cheers:
Jeff, you get my text?
I'm guessing I don't need to look for the front markers in carlisle? :2thumbs: :cheers:
Mike -- I just got it now!! Sorry, I didn't see it sitting in my inbox.
Well, you and Frank are heading to Carlisle and both know about these... One of my 'housings' has a broken stud, so if you do see anything, let me know..
Also, the set I picked up today don't have the bracket on the backside that holds it to the fender...
Ok well me and mike are going to have to stay in touch to make sure we both dont come back with parts.
I'll get mikes number at carlisle and if either one of us finds something well make sure the other knows :2thumbs:
Frank, I still have your number from the Chally pick up. I'll ring you if I find the stuff prior to to buying of course. PM sent.
Thanks guys, I appreciate it!!! :cheers:
JB is out of town for the weekend. He went by the shop and snapped these pics with his camera phone. :coolgleamA: He asked me to post them up for him. :2thumbs:
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looks to be worth every cent of the $800,000.oo spent so far... :lol:
Looks like it turned out great. :yesnod:
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Its going to be too nice to drive or take out into the sun light.
Quote from: ChgrSteve67 on July 11, 2009, 01:00:33 PM
Its going to be too nice to drive or take out into the sun light.
Don't say that. He might take you literally. :lol:
Thanks Larry!!!
I'll have more pics on monday. The car will be out of the booth and outside in the sun for the first time in months!!!!!
I'm VERY pleased with the job they did on the graphics.
Brock. It's up to $750k so far, not at $800 yet :slap:
I was just checking the graphics out and they are amazing, and those are not even buffed out yet!!!!!!!
Absolutely incredible! :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :coolgleamA:
Cool, Looks good, Congratulations :2thumbs: LEON.
:cheers: Very nice ! :drool5:
must feel good to be getting this close! looks great!
:o ............. :drool5: wow !!!! that looks awesome :drool5:
Mike, thank you for your incredible generosity with your time. You have restored my faith that there are some awesome people out there!!!! The pcs were mint, and you bringing them straight from PA to the shop was just incredible!!!!! :cheers:
took more pics today, and tomorrow it'll be out in the sun, so I'll have a great update!!!
No problem at all and thank you right back. :cheers: :2thumbs:
Your AXLGNR sounds bad a$$ BTW and love them wheels and stereo. :icon_smile_big: Makes me want to install my other 2 alpines in my Challenger so I can blast my 80's hair band station on sirius. I'm stuck in an 80's time warp and I don't care. :lol:
I'm sure you will be keeping all your receipts. You seem reluctant to go after the guy who sold this car to you, I would at least ask for his receipts. It's a hard lesson you learned, but looks like she will become the car of your dreams...and now you know the quality of the work...bottom to top. Congrats.
Quote from: chargergirl on July 12, 2009, 08:40:09 PM
but looks like she will become the car of your dreams...
ummm, it's a He! :lol:
:icon_smile_big:
Yep. Mike beat me to it.
I was relaxing under the tent for a little and was waiting for the guys. Mike came and was like "You dont need to look for em i found them already"
I hadnt been out looking for parts yet so he managed to spot them right on his way to the tent and it worked out great.
Will post up pics of the show and video later on, also i managed to pick up my floor pans......almost ready jeff....almost!!!
very impressive Jeff!! I haven't checked in here in a while. Glad it's coming along.
WOW........ looks like you will finally be able to :drive: :2thumbs:
Thanks guys!
Ok, I'm back home.. Enough of these terrible IPhone pictures.. I stopped at the shop on the way home today and there he was, sitting outside basking in the sun... WOW.. I'll get some pictures ready now..
Ok, here are a few shots I took with my camera...
Going back a couple of days, here's the roof artwork after it was completed less than 24 hours before... The White is a Pearl White and the Blue is a gorgeous Pearl... They REALLY pop in the light. The only color that a Pearl wasn't used was the Black... The Blue is what really jumped out at me though, it is a stunning color.
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TO BE CONTINUED...
Be warned, he's got nothing on here... Stripped of all wrapping!!! :yesnod:
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You can barely see the line where it was masked off to clear... It'll all be glass when it's wet sanded and buffed!!
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And finally, the moment I've been waiting MONTHS for, IT'S OUTSIDE IN THE SUNLIGHT!!! I can almost picture what it'll look like with chrome, wheels, glass, etc... Amazingly enough, these pictures don't really focus on the metallics in the paint like I was hoping , but it's ok, there will be more...
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The rear panel will be semi-gloss black once the car's been wet sanded/buffed out..
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TO BE CONTINUED.........
SWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEET.............. :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
Ok, just a couple of "filler" shots I took in between stages that I never posted..
First, is this really cool '57 Chevy Convertible the guys were working on.. This is one Hell of a car!!
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And last, just wait.. There are some special plans for this shirt, a dummy and about 500 rounds of ammo from an automatic weapon.. That's going to be an entertaining video, as well as a good stress reliever.
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Man, I think I just feel in love here..... with a car! :o
Jeff, that is one very very very nice charger so far. I can just see how it will look when it is all back togother. :cheers:
Quote from: chargergirl on July 12, 2009, 08:40:09 PM
I'm sure you will be keeping all your receipts. You seem reluctant to go after the guy who sold this car to you, I would at least ask for his receipts. It's a hard lesson you learned, but looks like she will become the car of your dreams...and now you know the quality of the work...bottom to top. Congrats.
Sorry, I meant to address this... Once this is done and all I have the total (all MY slips) in order, the guy who sold me this car will be in court. It makes no sense for me to pull him into court right now since it's not done yet. Court papers have already been filed.
Looks awesome Jeff! can't wait to see it in person. Almost there bro, chin up!
Quote from: teamroth on July 13, 2009, 03:27:50 PM
Looks awesome Jeff! can't wait to see it in person. Almost there bro, chin up!
Thanks!! Any time man!!
I just got a call from the Big C at the shop.. He said "Your concern that the car hasn't been started for several months is over, it fired right over and sounds awesome!!".
It hasn't run since February. When it needs to move it just gets pushed around... :cheers:
On a good note, the fourth and final installment of my "hack job" series should be coming out shortly...
http://www.bangshift.com/forum/index.php?topic=11452.new#new
Brian's a member here, as well, but that's a cool site because there are a lot of hard core racers..
From the beginning, if anyone here's interested, here's his first article on the car:
http://www.bangshift.com/blog/General-Lee-Clone-Total-Butchery.html
The next article:
http://www.bangshift.com/blog/Update-1-The-Hack-Job-General-Lee.html
The most depressing article:
http://www.bangshift.com/blog/The-Hack-Job-General-Lee-has-Officially-Hit-Rock-Bottom.html
The latest installment:
http://www.bangshift.com/blog/The-Hack-Job-General-Lee-Update-Light-at-the-End-of-the-Tunnel.html
Hey Jeff, you ought to do what we did to our first engine builder for the 'Bird.. He was a complete ass like BK so we did loongg burnouts up and down his street to get back at him, he wasn't very happy, but we got our point across!
Quote from: BIRD67 on July 13, 2009, 05:54:49 PM
Hey Jeff, you ought to do what we did to our first engine builder for the 'Bird.. He was a complete ass like BK so we did loongg burnouts up and down his street to get back at him, he wasn't very happy, but we got our point across!
:lol: Well, if BK wasn't thousands of miles from me I might consider that.. Then again, Thomas would probably love that.. He'd be taking pictures telling everyone "This is one of the cars that I built!! Look at it go!!!" and would take all the credit for it..
Car looks incredible Jeff. Tell the fellas, they are awesome!!
BTW that text was from me about 2 hours ago from my blackberry,(i had just returned from the Verizon store) I got a new number. This is all your fault you know with that darn Ithingy you have there. Now I'm Techmeyer Johnson. :lol:
Quote from: mikepmcs on July 13, 2009, 06:07:36 PM
Car looks incredible Jeff. Tell the fellas, they are awesome!!
BTW that text was from me about 2 hours ago from my blackberry,(i had just returned from the Verizon store) I got a new number. This is all your fault you know with that darn Ithingy you have there. Now I'm Techmeyer Johnson. :lol:
Mike, the other night when you pulled up to the guy's shop and I looked at the inside of your Challenger, you looked like a State Trooper. Laptop on a swivel facing you, on, connected to the internet.. You are high tech dude, whether you want to admit it or not .. My IPhone's got nothing on your setup!! :rofl:
And I don't need to tell the boys they are awesome, you just did!! :cheers: :cheers:
WOW, those first pics from last week did this NO justice. that Flag looks absolutely AWESOME!!!!!!! I can't wait to see it in person.
Quote from: TA70455 on July 13, 2009, 06:17:31 PM
WOW, those first pics from last week did this NO justice. that Flag looks absolutely AWESOME!!!!!!! I can't wait to see it in person.
Well you know where it is, Chris :icon_smile_big: and you know when I'm there!!! :cheers:
Guess what someone just pointed out to me????????? The genus's at BK Auto mis spelled the first word on their shirt :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
It's Acquisition not aquisition :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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Wouldn't you think someone would proof read things like this before SHIRTS went into print??
^^ :smilielol:
I am very happy that the GL is coming together for you Jeff. After the blood and tears and GOD KNOW how much money, I am reallllly very happy to see the light at the end of the tunnel.
I don't know if it's the same for others, but I have been watching this build from the first post. I have wanted to hurt that bassard in some long term lesson of a way to show the World that this stuff will NOT be tolerated. The odd thing is that I have been forgetting just how BAD the putty party was on this ride. I have just seen pics on another website of this car and was horrified when looking at pics I HAVE SEEN before and just kind of forgotten due to how it looks today. I guess that's a testament for all the guys making this build something very special. I just have to say, I wanted to throw up when looking at some of the old pictures again. It's hard to say what the worst of it was. I do NOT believe that just shutting BK down is right. Not even on the same street. I think the only thing that thief can do is fall on his own sword. That would not help him to save face. Just that it would FOR SURE keep him from ever doing this again.
Jeff, I hope this story doesn't end when you do your first burnout or win your first trophy. The car deserves what awards if receives from this point forward due to you making it happen and finding the RIGHT people for the job. Be proud of YOU. I am.....
Wow Steve, thanks!!!
The one thing that's kept me going through all of this is the large group of friends I've made BECAUSE OF this car.. I think about it every day, had I bought the 100% perfect car I THOUGHT I was getting, sure, maybe I wouldn't be going through the Hell of rebuilding a total POS Toilet, but I certainly wouldn't have been introduced to the people I have... From the first stages (connecting with Jon, who IMO is the best thing to ever happen to the world of racing/suspensions/chassis work) to meeting the guys at the current shop with all of the members here, who have helped me in some fashion, that is PRICELESS.
People have asked, since last year, "what's keeping you from going bonkers??". I'll tell ya, NOT MUCH, just friends!!! :cheers: :cheers: This forum freakin' rocks, and the people that have the skill to make these cars into a work of art truly are my heros!!! :cheers: :cheers:
So, if I could do it all over again would I change it?? Sure I would, but I'd also make damn sure I know the people that I know now.
Quote from: jb666 on July 13, 2009, 03:00:39 PM
Quote from: chargergirl on July 12, 2009, 08:40:09 PM
I'm sure you will be keeping all your receipts. You seem reluctant to go after the guy who sold this car to you, I would at least ask for his receipts. It's a hard lesson you learned, but looks like she will become the car of your dreams...and now you know the quality of the work...bottom to top. Congrats.
Sorry, I meant to address this... Once this is done and all I have the total (all MY slips) in order, the guy who sold me this car will be in court. It makes no sense for me to pull him into court right now since it's not done yet. Court papers have already been filed.
Good for you...
GL IS HANDSOME NOW AND HAS SUBSTANCE! Print all correspondence, promises, and other critical info...of course you know that. There are those that are only out for a buck and will even sell a clone as a true car. THAT is just not done either. What I have found is those that lie don't last long...that's a good thing!
Quote from: jb666 on July 13, 2009, 06:57:25 PM
Guess what someone just pointed out to me????????? The genus's at BK Auto mis spelled the first word on their shirt :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
It's Acquisition not aquisition :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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Wouldn't you think someone would proof read things like this before SHIRTS went into print??
dang i thought the mistake on the Tshirt was restoration & fabrication :slap:
Man, thanks for making me go back and look at the junk pictures Steve. ;) DAMN! This car has come back from the grave. :2thumbs: Good job Jeff. :cheers: Soon you will have the smell of rubber to complain about. :yesnod:
Quote from: skip68 on July 14, 2009, 11:49:54 PM
Man, thanks for making me go back and look at the junk pictures Steve. ;) DAMN! This car has come back from the grave. :2thumbs: Good job Jeff. :cheers: Soon you will have the smell of rubber to complain about. :yesnod:
so would you say it was "RESURRECTED"?
Quote from: teamroth on July 15, 2009, 03:00:12 PM
Quote from: skip68 on July 14, 2009, 11:49:54 PM
Man, thanks for making me go back and look at the junk pictures Steve. ;) DAMN! This car has come back from the grave. :2thumbs: Good job Jeff. :cheers: Soon you will have the smell of rubber to complain about. :yesnod:
so would you say it was "RESURRECTED"?
Oh geeze man, don't get Chuckie going again.
Quote from: jb666 on July 15, 2009, 03:06:09 PM
Quote from: teamroth on July 15, 2009, 03:00:12 PM
Quote from: skip68 on July 14, 2009, 11:49:54 PM
Man, thanks for making me go back and look at the junk pictures Steve. ;) DAMN! This car has come back from the grave. :2thumbs: Good job Jeff. :cheers: Soon you will have the smell of rubber to complain about. :yesnod:
so would you say it was "RESURRECTED"?
Oh geeze man, don't get Chuckie going again.
Again? I didn't know that he has stop from the first time :smilielol:
:smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol:
I was told today that Mike(PMCS) came through for us in a BIG WAY, and I owe him huge...
A few weeks ago Mike stuffed a full radiator support through the trunk/back seat area of his brand new Challenger and drove down to the shop.. Last week he drove to the shop from Carlisle and dropped off (SAME DAY!!) the front marker light assemblies.
Well, both items ended up being mint, and they were primed for paint yesterday & today. I'll have some shots of them painted this weekend.
The best part? MONTHS ago when the car was at Jon's shop, Mike came down (the first time) with a box of grille parts. When I first looked at them I thought "Wow, this stuff is junk!". FAR FROM IT. The main fabricator of the shop the car's at now went to town (as you saw in the pictures) and restored my grille to 100% using parts from Mike.
So Mike, I thank you, the body shop thanks you and the front end of my car thanks you :cheers: :cheers: YOU ARE THE MAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I can't thank you enough, and some day I hope to be able to return the favor.
Quote from: MoparManJim on July 15, 2009, 04:06:22 PM
Quote from: jb666 on July 15, 2009, 03:06:09 PM
Quote from: teamroth on July 15, 2009, 03:00:12 PM
Quote from: skip68 on July 14, 2009, 11:49:54 PM
Man, thanks for making me go back and look at the junk pictures Steve. ;) DAMN! This car has come back from the grave. :2thumbs: Good job Jeff. :cheers: Soon you will have the smell of rubber to complain about. :yesnod:
so would you say it was "RESURRECTED"?
Oh geeze man, don't get Chuckie going again.
Again? I didn't know that he has stop from the first time :smilielol:
I would have to say the car was hit with a "VENGEANCE"...... :nana:
Jeff, very nice words. I'm just glad I could help. :icon_smile_big:
Quote from: skip68 on July 15, 2009, 06:07:12 PM
Quote from: MoparManJim on July 15, 2009, 04:06:22 PM
Quote from: jb666 on July 15, 2009, 03:06:09 PM
Quote from: teamroth on July 15, 2009, 03:00:12 PM
Quote from: skip68 on July 14, 2009, 11:49:54 PM
Man, thanks for making me go back and look at the junk pictures Steve. ;) DAMN! This car has come back from the grave. :2thumbs: Good job Jeff. :cheers: Soon you will have the smell of rubber to complain about. :yesnod:
so would you say it was "RESURRECTED"?
Oh geeze man, don't get Chuckie going again.
Again? I didn't know that he has stop from the first time :smilielol:
I would have to say the car was hit with a "VENGEANCE"...... :nana:
:nana: back at you bud :lol:
But I will half to agree with you on what you said though.
where does mikepmcs live? and where is the car at right now?
Quote from: c00nhunterjoe on July 15, 2009, 10:18:20 PM
where does mikepmcs live? and where is the car at right now?
Huh? Where's he live?? I don't know, to be honest.. He's been down to see the car three times, but I haven't been to his place.
As for the car, it's still at the body shop in Southern Mass about 20 minutes from Cape Cod.
Man Jeff, that is really looking good. I'd almost be afraid to drive it after all that. I think I'd also have it insured against everything including bug juice on the windshield. :smilielol:
Quote from: Tilar on July 16, 2009, 07:29:13 PM
Man Jeff, that is really looking good. I'd almost be afraid to drive it after all that. I think I'd also have it insured against everything including bug juice on the windshield. :smilielol:
:lol: Not a bad idea.. The policy I have on it now covers it for quite a bit of $$, but not what it'll be when it's done.. So I've already talked to an appraiser and my policy will be adjusted as soon as it's finished.
:cheers:
Well, quite a bit's been done since my last visit to the shop... The marker lights(housings) are all painted. The lower/front valance panel is painted.. The push bar has been cleaned up (sloppy welds) and is in primer and the front radiator support has been completed... I'll have some good shots after tomorrow's visit. The General had a great week outside in the sun baking.. Perfect week for it!
:cheers: :cheers:
Cool......can't wait to see it done. :2thumbs:
Quote from: The70RT on July 17, 2009, 08:20:58 PM
Cool......can't wait to see it done. :2thumbs:
Me neither. Every week it gets closer and I begin to get more and more excited about it..
i meant his general area lol.
i cant wait to see the finished product :drool5: :popcrn:
I've been spotted in Maine every now and again.
Click my profile, it has all that you seek :2thumbs:
:drool5:
check this out guys. I just took this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wqm7WIqndsA
Quote from: jb666 on July 18, 2009, 11:49:30 AM
:drool5:
check this out guys. I just took this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wqm7WIqndsA
You just like tormenting yourself, don't you? :icon_smile_big:
I bet you wanted to put that thing in drive and go for a long awaited ride. I know I did. Sounded very nice. :2thumbs:
Well, not really tormenting ... Ok, fine, it is.. I heard that thing fire up and I got all excited like the day I bought it.. We all know what happened after that :eek2:
I'm just leaving the shop now. Got some good pictures
Sounds great! I'd ditch the clown car horn.
Quote from: Red Ram on July 18, 2009, 12:33:29 PM
Sounds great! I'd ditch the clown car horn.
Why would you ditch the dixie horn on a GL replica?
Quote from: General_01 on July 18, 2009, 12:39:24 PM
Quote from: Red Ram on July 18, 2009, 12:33:29 PM
Sounds great! I'd ditch the clown car horn.
Why would you ditch the dixie horn on a GL replica?
what's a gl without the horn!!
It's got a normal horn too.
I think the normal horn should be replaced with a TRAIN HORN... :2thumbs:
Quote from: Steve P. on July 18, 2009, 12:50:17 PM
I think the normal horn should be replaced with a TRAIN HORN... :2thumbs:
You know what?? I like that idea. :lol:
Now a train horn...that's the ticket!
jb,
The horn sounds a little "flat", as though it is not on key. I'm no expert but I do have one good ear (burst the other one years ago on a dive :rofl:). Have you checked it against others? This one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3GtbY2vTBs sounds on key. Otherwise it is looking great.
Dan
P.S. It just occurred to me that it is a tribute to your persistence that we (I) can now pick at details on your GL rather than its original condition. Way to go!
You are right. Sounds a bit fast too. I'll look into it. The horn is all new, but just got oiled so it mght be a bit off.
Quote from: Red Ram on July 18, 2009, 01:00:19 PM
Now a train horn...that's the ticket!
I'm on it.
It's funny, so far everyone in the shop that's heard it run has said "WOW, sounds like a funny car!" and after hearing it today I agree.. Jon DEFINITELY tuned this thing and got it running the way it should be, because before this it would take 10 minutes of feathering the gas to get it to idle on it's own.. Now you can fire it over and it'll idle immediately.
:drool5: Man Jeff, that thing sounds sweeeeet.... I would drink your bath water just to drive it once. :drool5: :drive: :drive: :drive:
Quote from: skip68 on July 18, 2009, 01:47:16 PM
:drool5: Man Jeff, that thing sounds sweeeeet.... I would drink your bath water just to drive it once. :drool5: :drive: :drive: :drive:
Uhhh.. Ummm... I'm not sure what to say, except that I'm glad I don't bathe.
:idiot:
Ok , here are a few pictures I took today.. As I said earlier, the front valance panel is repaired/painted, along with the four corner marker assemblies (thank you again Mike!). The front push bar has been cleaned up (We think a 10 year old kid put it together.. Nice welds..) and ready for paint. All in all the ONLY paint the car needs from here is the flat black on the rear tail light panel.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_3179Medium.jpg)
If you saw this before you'd appreciate it now.. It was a mess, twisted, dented, scraped...
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_3180Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_3181Medium.jpg)
Going to be done in a Gloss Black
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_3182Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_3183Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_3184Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_3185Medium.jpg)
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(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_3189Medium.jpg)
This shot is awesome, it really hit the metallic:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_3190Medium.jpg)
Here's Big C inside the car while it was running... I guess seats would probably help a bit
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_3199Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_3203Medium.jpg)
TO BE CONTINUED.......
I agree on the horns being off. I'm glad it wasn't just me, only I bet it would have been better for Jeff..... :shruggy:
Don't you worry, they'll be right again :icon_smile_big:
I know how much y'all love the GL and it's horn!!
There's a guy around here with a GL. everywhere he goes he's laying on the horn. Everyone always wants to choke him. It's VERY annoying.
Holy Sh$#balls! The phone didn't do it justice and blew the speaker anyways. Just put the computer surround on and it sounded like the car was in my house. I agree, sounds like a drag car. :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
When I come down next week or the week after, I'll bring my other horn from the wreck, It's most likely still good but I put a new one on anyway. We can do a little swappage and see if that in fact is the issue. If it is, then problem solved. :icon_smile_big:
Mike
Quote from: Red Ram on July 18, 2009, 12:33:29 PM
Sounds great! I'd ditch the clown car horn.
Now, that kinda offended me alittle. :shruggy:
That's nothing. The guy across the street from me has a dodge 1/2 ton with bull balls hanging under it. GL horns under the hood and an alarm system. Every time he sets the alarm in his driveway we all get to here DA_DA_DA_DA_DA_DA_DA_DA_DA_DA_DA--DA.... Two houses over the guy that owns the house was telling me he was about to have a party over the weekend and his buddy has train horns.. He fixed the jerks ass good. The jerk came home from work and shut off his truck and locked it up with the damn alarm. DA_DA_DA etc. The buddy of my other neighbor drove his car in front of the jerks house and just LAID on the train horn for about 30 seconds. The jerk came out screaming and the rest of the neighborhood was out there saying: (IT SOUNDS BETTER THAN THAT PILE OF SHIT OF YOURS). Of course most of us knew it was coming and the plan was set. No more DA_DA_DA_DA_DA_DA_DA_DA_DA_DA_DA__DA..... :smilielol:
Quote from: Steve P. on July 18, 2009, 05:00:29 PM
That's nothing. The guy across the street from me has a dodge 1/2 ton with bull balls hanging under it. GL horns under the hood and an alarm system. Every time he sets the alarm in his driveway we all get to here DA_DA_DA_DA_DA_DA_DA_DA_DA_DA_DA--DA.... Two houses over the guy that owns the house was telling me he was about to have a party over the weekend and his buddy has train horns.. He fixed the jerks ass good. The jerk came home from work and shut off his truck and locked it up with the damn alarm. DA_DA_DA etc. The buddy of my other neighbor drove his car in front of the jerks house and just LAID on the train horn for about 30 seconds. The jerk came out screaming and the rest of the neighborhood was out there saying: (IT SOUNDS BETTER THAN THAT PILE OF SHIT OF YOURS). Of course most of us knew it was coming and the plan was set. No more DA_DA_DA_DA_DA_DA_DA_DA_DA_DA_DA__DA..... :smilielol:
:smilielol: You must love where you live! :smilielol:
:rofl: Hahahahaha I LOVE IT!!!!!!!!! My train horns were also on my key fob. Now THAT was fun!!!!
yeah even a 1/4 mile away at a car show, right jeff LOL
Quote from: TA70455 on July 18, 2009, 06:03:58 PM
yeah even a 1/4 mile away at a car show, right jeff LOL
That's right!! I forgot about that.. 1/4 mile away with a cop standing right in front of my truck directing traffic.. Oops... Imagine that sound coming from the General???
HE is coming together well and now you have quality folks working on your baby. Good for you and you have to be tripping to be driving instead of looking. Want those burn out pics when you get to drive HIM! Awesome work!
This'll get the job done for ya:
http://www.hornblasters.com/products/details.php?i=nathan-airchime-k5-k5la-train-horn
156 Decibels :2thumbs:
Looking great jb666! boy you can really see the metallic in the pics of the marker housings.
Cant wait to see it finished,
Jason
Quote from: Daytona R/T SE on July 18, 2009, 11:06:20 PM
This'll get the job done for ya:
http://www.hornblasters.com/products/details.php?i=nathan-airchime-k5-k5la-train-horn
156 Decibels :2thumbs:
That would be so cool but $1500 :-\
Quote from: The70RT on July 19, 2009, 02:29:16 PM
Quote from: Daytona R/T SE on July 18, 2009, 11:06:20 PM
This'll get the job done for ya:
http://www.hornblasters.com/products/details.php?i=nathan-airchime-k5-k5la-train-horn
156 Decibels :2thumbs:
That would be so cool but $1500 :-\
That's too much.. The train horn kits I use come directly from the company that makes them for Amtrak. The entire kit (compressor,tank and horns) cost me around $400 and if you were to close your eyes you wouldn't know if I was the real deal or not.. It goes right through you.
So, are we a few weeks away from the finish ?
I think it's safe to say yes, at this point. :cheers:
Sorry to be the one to tell you this Jeff, but,.... one of the V.I.N.'s from your car came back to a guy in Utah and he want's his car back. :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol:
That's not Utah. It's FLORIDA..... :2thumbs:
I can stand behind that, he used to go by my work daily and scare the crap outta my boss while he was in the building LOL, got me once or twice too LOL
Quote from: TA70455 on July 19, 2009, 06:12:49 PM
I can stand behind that, he used to go by my work daily and scare the crap outta my boss while he was in the building LOL, got me once or twice too LOL
You have no idea how much I looked forward to that.. I'm amazed I didn't have the police sitting waiting for me there.. Imagine that sound coming from the GL???
Quote from: jb666 on July 19, 2009, 07:54:43 PM
Quote from: TA70455 on July 19, 2009, 06:12:49 PM
I can stand behind that, he used to go by my work daily and scare the crap outta my boss while he was in the building LOL, got me once or twice too LOL
You have no idea how much I looked forward to that.. I'm amazed I didn't have the police sitting waiting for me there.. Imagine that sound coming from the GL???
Your car will stand out so you will probably get the looks. I know a guy that has one and when he blasts it around a bunch of vehicles everyone craps then wonder who it was....especially if you start looking everywhere too :D
Quote from: jb666 on July 19, 2009, 02:33:00 PM
Quote from: The70RT on July 19, 2009, 02:29:16 PM
Quote from: Daytona R/T SE on July 18, 2009, 11:06:20 PM
This'll get the job done for ya:
http://www.hornblasters.com/products/details.php?i=nathan-airchime-k5-k5la-train-horn
156 Decibels :2thumbs:
That would be so cool but $1500 :-\
That's too much.. The train horn kits I use come directly from the company that makes them for Amtrak. The entire kit (compressor,tank and horns) cost me around $400 and if you were to close your eyes you wouldn't know if I was the real deal or not.. It goes right through you.
Yeah, It's a lot. The same company whose website I posted has Train horn kits starting in the $300-$400 range, too.
The $1500 one I posted a picture of is simply their Doomsday Machine. :2thumbs:
Are there enough notes there to play Dixie?
:lol: That'd be hilarious - but then everyone would have a good idea where it came from.
watch this..... :smilielol:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvdjOsvBXFU
LMAO!!!!
Imagine the Dixie horn that loud??
Well, another good week... Lots of progress talk (with me on the phone) and things in motion... I'll be there on Saturday morning to do my normal arrangement of photos, but this thing is really coming together now... I've even gotten so far as to change my (work) desktop picture to the freshly painted roof of the GL.. Talk about torture... SMP!!! :slap:
I was there late Sunday but had to be back in Maine on Monday. Maybe next time I will be around long enough to swing by the shop.
Hey Frank, your time must be getting closer, too! I'm sure I'll be seeing you there sooner than later!!
RamchargerMopar, let me know the next time you're in town, we'll connect and check it out. :cheers:
Looking forward to my trip Saturday, from what I hear there's been quite a bit done this week :drool5:
The more and more I read about you guys doing all of this stuff yourselves, the more I admire those of you that CAN do it. I'd experiment if the car meant nothing to me, but to do it on a car I consider my dream car just isn't imaginable.. But like I said, it's given me a whole new admiration to those of you that can restore one of these bad boys using your own two hands :cheers: :cheers:
Quote from: FLG on July 20, 2009, 04:20:08 PM
LMAO!!!!
Imagine the Dixie horn that loud??
:shruggy: Got a stupid Question, what does LMAO mean :shruggy: I've seen it a million times & have no clue, cant figure it out & it's bugging me. Really quit irritating :brickwall:
Back to your regular conversations. LEON.
Shhh, lets not tell hemi!!
J/K
Very simply lingo.
LMAO = Laughing my a$$ off
ROFLMAO = Rolling on floor laughing my a$$ off
:2thumbs:
Why not the old stand by LOL instead :scratchchin: :shruggy: LEON.
Quote from: hemi-hampton on July 22, 2009, 06:57:15 PM
Why not the old stand by LOL instead :scratchchin: :shruggy: LEON.
Kids now days don't know how to use the old stand by! :smilielol:
Well geez let's even go some more here. the new LOL is now back to haha or XD.(kind of like a scrunched up face if you look at it sideways) THen of course there is always the ROTF, ROTFL. ROFL, ROFLMAO, ROFLMFAO, ROTFLMAO, ROTFLMFAO as stated above. All have a letter or 2 that is different but they all mean the same old thing, but I prefer the emoticons myself. ;) :icon_smile_cool: :icon_smile_big: ;D :yesnod: :icon_smile_tongue: :laugh: :coolgleamA: :P :rofl: :hah: :D :smilielol: :lol: :nana:
:cheers:
Oh man, Chuck's gonna be loving this one, aren't ya Chuck? SMP.
Anyways, what was this thread about?? :slap:
Quote from: jb666 on July 22, 2009, 08:25:24 PM
Oh man, Chuck's gonna be loving this one, aren't ya Chuck? SMP.
Anyways, what was this thread about?? :slap:
YOU! and your CAR! :D :lol:
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Have a nice day. :nana:
Dang Chuck! did you for get any? :smilielol: (I shouldn't have ask that!)
Well, getting back on subject, I just got back from the shop. MikePMCS came down again to check the car out and bring a couple of parts out that I need to ship (see stickie thread above). He's once again proven there are great people out there. Always a pleasure , Mike, you are a class act :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
Anyways, my front valance is on/installed. The front headlight assembly is finished, painted and installed (and looks like a brand new pc!!!). The car is 1/2 wetsanded on it's way to being buffed to a mirror finish.
There were a couple of cool cars there, too!! I'll have plenty of pictures up in a bit.
Ok, just a few random shots for you to look at... The lower valance is cool. Orange on the outside and Black on the inside.. This way when you pop the hood (or look through the grille) everything is Black, not Orange.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6764Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6765Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6766Medium.jpg)
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(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6774Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6790Medium.jpg)
Check this out.. The guys did this back in 1996. It's a multiple show winning STREET car:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6777Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6779Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6780Medium.jpg)
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Thanks for letting me hang out with you and Big C. Car is fantastic!!Big C's the man. His new tat is awesome too, great color! ok, i'm gonna wreck, I thought 95 was the speed limit, my bad.
Quote from: mikepmcs on July 25, 2009, 02:55:37 PM
Thanks for letting me hang out with you and Big C. Car is fantastic!!Big C's the man. His new tat is awesome too, great color! ok, i'm gonna wreck, I thought 95 was the speed limit, my bad.
:rofl: Focus on the road you mad man!!
I forgot, and I'm sure Mike will elaborate on this a bit, but we saw some pretty cool drag cars today too.. Some days, when I think a lot of $$ has been put into this car, I see stuff like that and I realize I've got next to NOTHING into my car... :o
BTW, took another quick video while I was there.. It's funny, but when this thing's running the entire car shakes.. It shook the trunk lid all the way open.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=va0uS9_Djas
Quote from: jb666 on July 26, 2009, 12:21:19 PM
BTW, took another quick video while I was there.. It's funny, but when this thing's running the entire car shakes.. It shook the trunk lid all the way open.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=va0uS9_Djas
Heck, my 318 charger did the same thing when it was running setting still with the deck lid up. The lid is on pop open arms also that criss cross and they also has presure on them so any slight shake or movement of the car, they will pop the trunk lid all the open.
:lol: It was a joke.. If you'll notice, the lid was already 3/4 up.. A stiff breeze would have put it up the rest of the way..
I was just saying the car shakes like nothing I've ever felt when it's running.. Pretty cool.
Quote from: jb666 on July 26, 2009, 01:35:39 PM
:lol: It was a joke.. If you'll notice, the lid was already 3/4 up.. A stiff breeze would have put it up the rest of the way..
I was just saying the car shakes like nothing I've ever felt when it's running.. Pretty cool.
I notice that, even before I said anything. I had mine one day when I pop it open come up an wrap me right in the jaw :icon_smile_blackeye: :hah: and yes I did see stars, and lightin going on and it was a nice and clear day! :smilielol:
Those deck lids on a jaw doesn't feel good, matter of fact, skin vc deck lid.. deck lid always win. And it always leaves you with a pain in the jaw :smilielol:
Quote from: hemi-hampton on July 22, 2009, 06:15:46 PM
Quote from: FLG on July 20, 2009, 04:20:08 PM
LMAO!!!!
Imagine the Dixie horn that loud??
:shruggy: Got a stupid Question, what does LMAO mean :shruggy: I've seen it a million times & have no clue, cant figure it out & it's bugging me. Really quit irritating :brickwall:
(http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h177/Wolian/Emotes/LMAO4.gif) :D
Thats gonna leave a mark! :flame:
Quote from: TA70455 on July 26, 2009, 06:53:51 PM
Thats gonna leave a mark! :flame:
You ok there buddy? What's making you angry?
Thats funny :rofl: :smilielol: :lol: LEON.
I got a cool call tonight while I was cooking supper... A friend of mine owns a Dodge dealership here in town, and said he was checking this thread out. He said that the weekend I get my car home he wants me to call him, and that he'd empty his showroom for a photo-shoot.. Said he thought it'd be cool to take pictures of the General in his showroom and outside the main entrance/sign. He also said he'd make sure he had his Hemi Orange Challenger there that day.. Kind of an old/new thing. I thought that was pretty cool and I'm looking forward to it.
I think I'll be busy the first few weeks I have this back as I already have about 30 places to be :lol:
Quote from: teamroth on July 20, 2009, 04:02:12 PM
watch this..... :smilielol:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvdjOsvBXFU
Just saw this....frickin' priceless! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
I want those horns for all the jerks making me listen to their booming bass. Don't get me wrong. I am a music lover and have jammed quite loud, but I don't turn it up to the peak and open my windows driving around. ESPECIALLY in a small quiet neighborhood.
I want to be able to BLAST them while sitting next to some jerk at a light that is invading my ear drums with his crap. I wonder just how much they will like it.
I have been known to just lay on my horn and make them put up their windows.. Hahaha.... Once I was stopped at a red light on a 3 lane road. The guy in the middle of me and a full sized van was blaring and I started on the horn. The guy in the van got it immediately and he started blasting his horn too. We were throwing each other thumbs up.. It was hilarious...
Back on subject now... Sorry.......
You need Train horns that play Dixie! That will fix them
Quote from: jb666 on July 13, 2009, 06:57:25 PM
Guess what someone just pointed out to me????????? The genus's at BK Auto mis spelled the first word on their shirt :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
It's Acquisition not aquisition :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_3137Medium.jpg)
Wouldn't you think someone would proof read things like this before SHIRTS went into print??
Interesting and amusing! Another mistake you'll make note of is the lack of punctuation between Restoration and Fabrication. Perhaps though it's not a mistake as it's completely true that their
restorations are entirely
fabricated. :icon_smile_wink:
So glad to see that despite the delays and problems along the way, things are coming along so well. I'm stoked for you and eager to see a video of the final result cruising the streets piloted by what looks like a maniac with a smile from ear to ear. Good stuff.
Quote from: kyteler on July 27, 2009, 06:29:08 PM
Interesting and amusing! Another mistake you'll make note of is the lack of punctuation between Restoration and Fabrication. Perhaps though it's not a mistake as it's completely true that their restorations are entirely fabricated. :icon_smile_wink:
So glad to see that despite the delays and problems along the way, things are coming along so well. I'm stoked for you and eager to see a video of the final result cruising the streets piloted by what looks like a maniac with a smile from ear to ear. Good stuff.
Hey, thank you!! I just saw this now. You will definitely be seeing a cool video once the car hits the road.. As for the car, it's been one huge problem/delay since the day I bought it, but when it's done it'll all be worth it!!! :cheers: :cheers:
Just thought I'd mention this thread is now the top rated thread on the site based on number of replies. Has the highest reply amount! :2thumbs:
This thread needs its own search engine! :P
Quote from: moparheater on July 30, 2009, 11:53:29 PM
This thread needs its own search engine! :P
All I know is since this thread began I need a SHRINK.
I'm heading to the shop tomorrow. Bringing the seats to their upholstery shop to have the covers done the right way (BK kind of just loosely stapled everything together, it looks like trash bags slipped over lumps of coal).
It's good to be dealing with things like seats though, just another sign that things are coming to an end.
Other than the obvious "DRIVE THE CAR", what are you going to do with all your spare time and $$$ once the car is done?
Quote from: jb666 on July 27, 2009, 05:39:03 PM
I got a cool call tonight while I was cooking supper... A friend of mine owns a Dodge dealership here in town, and said he was checking this thread out. He said that the weekend I get my car home he wants me to call him, and that he'd empty his showroom for a photo-shoot.. Said he thought it'd be cool to take pictures of the General in his showroom and outside the main entrance/sign. He also said he'd make sure he had his Hemi Orange Challenger there that day.. Kind of an old/new thing. I thought that was pretty cool and I'm looking forward to it.
I think I'll be busy the first few weeks I have this back as I already have about 30 places to be :lol:
Mrs. Cozmo wants to come and shoot some pics. She's a good photographer! :2thumbs:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v612/lbaird78735/pic_Coz_GL.jpg)
Quite a bit done today.... Just got back.
The car is 100% wet sanded and big C buffed out a large section so I could see what the FINAL PRODUCT would look like :coolgleamA: :coolgleamA: :coolgleamA:
Anyways, LOTS going on in the shop. 11 cars in there today while I was there!!
I'll post pics later, I've had the weekend from Hell and I need to unwind a bit.
Ok guys, as I said, I stopped by the shop yesterday and loved what I saw.. The main man had been very busy wet-sanding this week. That was cool, but on top of it all there were some REALLY cool cars in the shop while I was there.. 11, to be exact. This place is like a grown up toy store. Here are some shots.. The spot that was buffed out, to show the gloss, is hard to capture in a picture, but take my word for it, it looks awesome. It looks like "Orange Glass", is what comes to mind... I can't wait to see it all buffed out and starting to go back together!!!!!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_3214Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_3216Medium.jpg)
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Today I brought in all of the jute padding, carpeting and interior trim.. More signs of light at the end of this long tunnel!!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_3227Medium.jpg)
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Sorry, this was the best I could do with the equipment I had with me...
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TO BE CONTINUED.......
One thing that I forgot to mention too is that I dropped off the front/rear seats at the upholstery shop.. The seats were recovered, by BK, but you can imagine.. Old foam + new covers + staplegun = hack job....
Here are some of the cool rides sitting in there...
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OK, Now I'd like a couple of the Hemi experts to look at these next two shots and tell me what DOES NOT BELONG on this motor...
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I know I've posted pics of this car before, but I think it's really cool....
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A 427BB Vette they are restoring..
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_3244Medium.jpg)
And look, I'm in good company in here!!
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Quote from: quapman on August 01, 2009, 06:47:07 AM
Other than the obvious "DRIVE THE CAR", what are you going to do with all your spare time and $$$ once the car is done?
I'm sorry, I didn't mean to ignore this...
Spare time and $$?? If this whole thing isn't over soon I'll be using my "spare time and $$" to hire a good divorce lawyer. Other than that, I have to get back on track with my original plan of getting the titles to my other vehicles in my hand...
:scratchchin: If you're having trouble with the wife Jeff, I may be able to help you. :coolgleamA:
Looking great Jeff! :2thumbs: What are they doing to the Challenger? :popcrn:
Dude this car is looking AMAZING! Please post a schedule of shows you'll be taking it to when its done....I HAVE to see this in person!
She's just as mad about you getting taken as you are. And the money having to go out, is a double hit. Let her vent. Take her to dinner and don't talk about the car...let her know how much you appreciate all she does...etc. Make it a nice long night with nothing to do with the car...this night will be cheaper than the divorce attorney. If that doesn't work it will be easy to meet chicks in the GL...lol.
:lol: You people never cease to crack me up :lol:
Anyways, I got a call today from the lady at the upholstery shop. She starts out with "Well, I don't want to insult you, so let me ask you DID YOU PUT THESE SEATS TOGETHER?". I said "No, BK Auto did, why??".
She then says "Well , they are the worst things I've seen in a long time. They used universal thin foam for the entire back seat, and the fronts aren't much better".
I shouldn't be surprised, but to learn that foam MEANT FOR A CAR wasn't even used actually did surprise me... Oh well, they are (like the rest of the car) being done right and will be returned to the body shop at the end of this week!!
Quote from: skip68 on August 02, 2009, 10:15:46 PM
:scratchchin: If you're having trouble with the wife Jeff, I may be able to help you. :coolgleamA:
You can't handle the one you've got, Chuck, what would you do with mine??
Quote from: KS71owner on August 02, 2009, 10:43:30 PM
Dude this car is looking AMAZING! Please post a schedule of shows you'll be taking it to when its done....I HAVE to see this in person!
You've got it.. once I get it back nothing's keeping me out of the scene.
GLs looking great Jeff :yesnod: damn that dude has some hardware in his shop :coolgleamA:
Quote from: tan top on August 03, 2009, 11:35:41 AM
GLs looking great Jeff :yesnod: damn that dude has some hardware in his shop :coolgleamA:
Yeah he sure does. It's an adventure every time I go into that shop, there are some awesome rides!!!!!!!!!!!!
Your Charger's going to look awesome Jeff. :2thumbs: Wish I was at that point with mine. Ted
Quote from: 69*F5*SE on August 03, 2009, 01:15:48 PM
Your Charger's going to look awesome Jeff. :2thumbs: Wish I was at that point with mine. Ted
Thank you, Ted!! Unfortunately, I can't take any of the credit for making it look the way it will/does... I leave that up to the people with the skillz..
I got another call from the upholstery shop tonight.. The hits just keep on coming. They said these seats were so badly butched they need more time.. Rusty frames, incorrect(worn) foam, ripped covers, bad dye (head rests). The list goes on.. I told them to take their time that I was in no rush and was looking forward to them looking perfect...
The comparison I heard tonight was funny.. "It's like falling on down the road and digging up your arms and legs, getting dirt and stones in your cuts and then just putting a bandaid on over it without cleaning out the wound".
But again, NOTHING surprises me with this car, all the way down to the upholstery job.
Quote from: skip68 on August 02, 2009, 10:15:46 PM
:scratchchin: If you're having trouble with the wife Jeff, I may be able to help you. :coolgleamA:
You can't handle the one you've got, Chuck, what would you do with mine??
:lolexplode:
Dan
I don't know if this has been asked sorry if I missed it somewhere.
I don't see the two flags behind the rear window that I see on a lot of GLs
Reason?
GL is looking awesome. Would love to see it in person some day.
Got any plans of going to the 45th in 2011?
Steve
A buddy of mine sent this to me and I though you might like it.
Quote from: ChgrSteve67 on August 04, 2009, 09:39:53 PM
I don't know if this has been asked sorry if I missed it somewhere.
I don't see the two flags behind the rear window that I see on a lot of GLs
Reason?
GL is looking awesome. Would love to see it in person some day.
Got any plans of going to the 45th in 2011?
Steve
Steve -- I don't have a REAL reason that I didn't want those on except that I don't really like them.. That, and they were only used in a couple of episodes.. It was just something that never appealed to me.. :lol:
Quote from: ChgrSteve67 on August 05, 2009, 08:48:37 PM
A buddy of mine sent this to me and I though you might like it.
Ya know, I might want to hire them to drive to Houston.
Quote from: CB on November 15, 2008, 12:52:58 PM
:o Damn, I feel sorry for you man!
CB
The kind of work BK did is the very reason I learned to do everything myself I even make my own set covers.
Those look very nice!!!!!!!!! I only wish I had the time , tools, skills & materials to do this kind of work.. Most of this stuff comes from years of perfection, not experimentation.. I think BK was full of the "experimental" people.. Which was the case about 100 pages ago when we had a picture of an 11 year old kid welding in shorts in a back seat.
Well, I just got a GREAT PHONE CALL!
THE GENERAL IS ALL WET SANDED, BUFFED & POLISHED!!!!!!!!!!!!
I'm really siked for this weekend's visit because Big C told me that the car looks amazing all done. Now it's time to finish putting everything back together!!
I guess the Black (rear taillight panel) might be painted tomorrow, so that'll really set the car into "finished" mode... But I'm pumped either way.
Lots o' pictures coming up, guys :cheers: :cheers:
:2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
Awesome!
:cheers:
It's almost there :2thumbs:
:icon_smile_big: :coolgleamA:
:woohoo:
Sounds great Jeff. Can't wait to see the pics. :2thumbs: :coolgleamA:
I wonder what we will all do on Saturdays when we won't have progress pics to look forward to. :smilielol:
Quote from: General_01 on August 07, 2009, 09:58:17 AM
:woohoo:
Sounds great Jeff. Can't wait to see the pics. :2thumbs: :coolgleamA:
I wonder what we will all do on Saturdays when we won't have progress pics to look forward to. :smilielol:
I know I will have a huge hole in my weekends when this car is done :lol: , this has been going on for almost a year.. Visiting the car every Saturday!!
Quote from: jb666 on August 07, 2009, 01:27:08 PM
Quote from: General_01 on August 07, 2009, 09:58:17 AM
:woohoo:
Sounds great Jeff. Can't wait to see the pics. :2thumbs: :coolgleamA:
I wonder what we will all do on Saturdays when we won't have progress pics to look forward to. :smilielol:
I know I will have a huge hole in my weekends when this car is done :lol: , this has been going on for almost a year.. Visiting the car every Saturday!!
hope you get it done soon for your sanity and your wallet . :D you can spend the saturday time driving it and still update us with scenic car pictures .
Guys --- One last item (I HOPE) that I am actively seeking.
Does anyone here have a clean (or something with REPAIRABLE dings) rear chrome window trim?? Mine really is a mess, and out of all of the trim, this is the only pc that couldn't be salvaged.
:popcrn:
Quote from: jb666 on August 07, 2009, 03:27:45 PM
Guys --- One last item (I HOPE) that I am actively seeking.
Does anyone here have a clean (or something with REPAIRABLE dings) rear chrome window trim?? Mine really is a mess, and out of all of the trim, this is the only pc that couldn't be salvaged.
:popcrn:
New repro sets are available.....whats another $250?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/68-69-70-Charger-R-t-SE-General-lee-Stainless-rear-trim_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp3286Q2em20Q2el1116QQhashZitem1c0b93f69bQQitemZ120453330587QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories
Quote from: NOT Just 6T9 CHGR on August 07, 2009, 03:34:23 PM
Quote from: jb666 on August 07, 2009, 03:27:45 PM
Guys --- One last item (I HOPE) that I am actively seeking.
Does anyone here have a clean (or something with REPAIRABLE dings) rear chrome window trim?? Mine really is a mess, and out of all of the trim, this is the only pc that couldn't be salvaged.
:popcrn:
New repro sets are available.....whats another $250?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/68-69-70-Charger-R-t-SE-General-lee-Stainless-rear-trim_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp3286Q2em20Q2el1116QQhashZitem1c0b93f69bQQitemZ120453330587QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories
I just contacted him... But his ad threw me off.. Is it a repop or is it OEM??
New stainless steel REAR WINDOW (EXTERIOR) trim Authentic mopar authorized part Not a cheap repop Buy with confidence Has anyone bought from this guy before?? if so, I'll buy it.. He's local, so I'll have it early next week.
That's not a bad price if it is quality stuff. I think the last couple sets of trim that had been restored and sold on Ebay went for close to $500 a set. If it's a quyality product that will make my wait worth while.
I agree, that's a great price.. When I told the shop about that deal they were surprised :2thumbs:
Year One sells the set for $350 and is 3 weeks out.
I am not a big Y1 fan they are overpriced and a lot of the parts are not correct, they are what works. at least in the GM world
Quote from: TA70455 on August 07, 2009, 07:50:34 PM
I am not a big Y1 fan they are overpriced and a lot of the parts are not correct, they are what works. at least in the GM world
Hmm, I thought maybe they treated youz guyz better.........Yeah they are my last resort when I need parts.
Quote from: 1hot68 on August 07, 2009, 08:08:32 PM
Quote from: TA70455 on August 07, 2009, 07:50:34 PM
I am not a big Y1 fan they are overpriced and a lot of the parts are not correct, they are what works. at least in the GM world
Hmm, I thought maybe they treated youz guyz better.........Yeah they are my last resort when I need parts.
year one sells a killer mullet baseball cap. Chris has 22 of them. He also bought his new Billy Squier 8 track from them.
Here's a quick teaser video taken on the iPhone. Just leaving the shop now.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHhY2bse1zs
Quote from: jb666 on August 08, 2009, 08:46:32 AM
Here's a quick teaser video taken on the iPhone. Just leaving the shop now.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHhY2bse1zs
UMM some back ground sound like a RUNNING HEMI would be nice!!! :scratchchin: :D :shruggy: Just saying....
THANKS AND LOOKS GREAT!! :2thumbs: :drool5:
Click the link in my sig you'll hear last weeks hemi running video :)
EDIT --- Resizing some pictures now :cheers:
It doesn't look bad at all bud, But did notice somthing in that video though.
What's that, Jim? This is my favorite shot of the day:
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Gotcha.. We did the letters, flag/stars our own way. The size, shape and position are how I wanted them, not how WB had them.. Little "custom" changes like this set it aside from the rest. That, and the other small things (Use of House Of Kolors Pearls for the graphics, metal flake, etc..)
Ok guys, here goes.. I'm on my way out the door to a memorial service, so I don't have time to caption each shot, but the pics do the talking in this case..
First, the seats...
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On to the car...
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Ignore the hanging headliner, that'll be as good as new in no time..
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TO BE CONTINUED......
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Trunk weather stripping is in.. Funny thing is, when BK put it on they installed it in the channel BELOW , where it didn't even touch the lid :lol:
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TO BE CONTINUED......
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A few random NON GL pictures.. Cool pro-street Vette in the works.
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This shop did NONE of this body work:
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Back to the General:
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TO BE CONTINUED....
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THE END (THANK GOD!!)
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I love this shot, you can the metal flake in it nice. :coolgleamA:
Damn brother....that thing is sweet! BTW its Keith G
Looks Nice :2thumbs: You oughta get a Pic of it outside in the sun :scratchchin: LEON.
I can see your metal flake now :drool5: :drool5: :drool5:
almost hard to believe that that's the same car you started with :2thumbs:
aww Man look at that :drool5: awesome Jeff :coolgleamA: wait till that paint gets out side in the sun :yesnod: :coolgleamA:
GL is looking real good Jeff i'm pleased for you :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
Thank you, guys!!
:cheers:
WOW! looks great. Did you go with body color underneath? or just overspray
Quote from: Back N Black on August 08, 2009, 05:09:31 PM
WOW! looks great. Did you go with body color underneath? or just overspray
:lol: Neither option. Any 'overspray' you see under there now is left over from BK Auto's paint job. The wheel wells, springs, and front sway bar will be undercoated/Painted this week. That's the final step. The entire undercarriage is done, and looks 100% factory/clean. The wheel wells are a mess, but will be perfect.. This is not a Concourse restoration, I'm not going for the OEM "overspray" look, although that is cool.
Also , the rear leaf springs (as was the gas tank) are covered with orange...
Quote from: moparheater on August 08, 2009, 04:49:54 PM
almost hard to believe that that's the same car you started with :2thumbs:
Man, I hear you there.. I say the same thing every time I look at the "then and now" pictures.
beautiful :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5:
Quote from: hemi-hampton on August 08, 2009, 12:42:51 PM
Looks Nice :2thumbs: You oughta get a Pic of it outside in the sun :scratchchin: LEON.
The day will come.... But right now it's a bit buried in the back of the shop.
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Quote from: mopar73 on August 08, 2009, 08:57:23 PM
beautiful :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5:
Thank you!!
Wow that looks good! :cheers:
Quote from: runningman on August 09, 2009, 12:31:20 PM
Wow that looks good! :cheers:
Thanks! I can't stop looking at the pictures.. The thing blows my mind every time I look at it..
Quote from: jb666 on August 09, 2009, 02:28:52 PM
Quote from: runningman on August 09, 2009, 12:31:20 PM
Wow that looks good! :cheers:
Thanks! I can't stop looking at the pictures.. The thing blows my mind every time I look at it..
I can understand that, they are helping to keep me motivated to work on mine as well! :2thumbs:
Quote from: runningman on August 09, 2009, 02:30:49 PM
Quote from: jb666 on August 09, 2009, 02:28:52 PM
Quote from: runningman on August 09, 2009, 12:31:20 PM
Wow that looks good! :cheers:
Thanks! I can't stop looking at the pictures.. The thing blows my mind every time I look at it..
I can understand that, they are helping to keep me motivated to work on mine as well! :2thumbs:
That's a cool thing to say, they will appreciate it (they are watching!!). What's really cool about this is that the guys working on this car are just as excited about it.. Probably as much as me. It's a true reflection of their skill and they will definitely be getting some publicity from this thing once it's done.
Hey Jeff, clean your inbox out bud! :lol:
HOLY SHIT!!!!
NICE JOB BIG C!!!! Of course you already knew you were the man, just thought I 'd tell you again...YOU DA MAN! :icon_smile_big:
Really looking nice Jeff. :2thumbs:
Quote from: mikepmcs on August 09, 2009, 05:31:36 PM
HOLY SHIT!!!!
NICE JOB BIG C!!!! Of course you already knew you were the man, just thought I 'd tell you again...YOU DA MAN! :icon_smile_big:
Really looking nice Jeff. :2thumbs:
I wish you had been able to meet the partner at the shop.. The guy is awesome, too.. Big C seems to get all the props here cause he's the "Saturday meeting man"!! Without BOTH of these guys (not taking away from Fat Billy the metal man!!) this car wouldn't have gone together like this.
:bow: :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow:
I have been a LONG time friend of JB666 and a HUGE lover of Mopars so I can completely sympathize with him first hand. I saw the car in person the day after he picked it up and he is right it was a whore in a pretty dress. I fell in love with it that instant as well. Its a tough car NOT TOO. Car sounded nice and looked nice but aside from that.. well you all know the rest. Since then its been a year in the making and I just saw some photos of it and WOW WOW WOW. This car will make even the toughest critic proud.
Jeff,
Very sweet, can't wait to see it tearing up the road!!
-Mike
Hey guys thanks for joining/posting, I appreciate the support!! :cheers: You'll see it (in person) very soon!
Is that a run on the door? :scope: Just kidding. ;) The General is looking real good Jeff. I'm happy for you that it's finally coming together.
Quote from: Tilar on August 10, 2009, 05:32:10 PM
Is that a run on the door? :scope: Just kidding. ;) The General is looking real good Jeff. I'm happy for you that it's finally coming together.
:rofl: Yep, I requested a nice run on the door so people would know it wasn't BK's paint job.
Thanks, I appreciate it :cheers: :cheers:
Well, today I got a call with something funky... Big C pulled out the headlights to put them in the car. When they were looking them over, one of them had this wad of "crap" attached to the back of it. Upon further inspection, they discovered a rolled up pack of Marlboro's to use as a spacer.
QUALITY job and yet another custom BK addition on the high-dollar resto... Pics will be up soon :lol:
:smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol:
As if we expected anything less. I am so excited for the day when there is nothing left that BK auto had their hands on.
Lookin good bud! :cheers:
Quote from: teamroth on August 11, 2009, 08:06:54 PM
:smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol:
As if we expected anything less. I am so excited for the day when there is nothing left that BK auto had their hands on.
Lookin good bud! :cheers:
Hey, now you have to remember what BK once said "Anything under 75K is just a cheap job" :smilielol:
That pack had to be to them worth at least 5K :smilielol:
Quote from: jb666 on August 11, 2009, 07:15:28 PM
Well, today I got a call with something funky... Big C pulled out the headlights to put them in the car. When they were looking them over, one of them had this wad of "crap" attached to the back of it. Upon further inspection, they discovered a rolled up pack of Marlboro's to use as a spacer.
QUALITY job and yet another custom BK addition on the high-dollar resto... Pics will be up soon :lol:
Sorry that's my fault I can remember when BK came down to Australia I ran into him in the pub one day {didn't know he was famous back then } and he was telling me how hard it was to get the lights to shine correctly in Australia {left hookers on Right hand roads } so I was pretty pi55y a t t and told {cause I smoke Marlboro } to just roll up a pack and use it as a spacer.Of Course I was joking because I was tanked right to full and I thought he would have known that when I completely fall off the stool at the bar but looks like he did'nt.Once again sorry.
btw just made that up seemed to fit pretty well though. :smilielol:
all it took was how much $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ ???????? :smilielol:
Quote from: jerry on August 12, 2009, 07:40:31 AM
all it took was how much $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ ???????? :smilielol:
Not as much as I've seen a lot of others posting in past restorations, but more than I want to think about....... :eek2:
I'm not going to say this was "cheap", by any means, but for what's been done to the car I've gotten off easy. Now I just hope I live to use it.
Ok, I need some help from you guys that have done your headliners.
Towards the rear/sail panels there appears to have been cardboard under the liner. In mine, there isn't. It was glued up. There are holes with a couple of clips in them but not attached to anything.
Any insight would be helpful -- I'm just curious if (as usual) something is missing.
There "should" be a cardboard like part there that the clips go on....not sure if they are remade or not.
QuoteHe didn't just waltz into a place like HPLAG and get ripped off, he bought the car from a member here on the forums who didn't rip him off on purpose. Yes granted he should have had someone look at the car in person but when you buy from a regular member on the forums you don't worry about such things. The problem being was the member was ripped off by the person who restored the car.
If the guy has been ripped off it was by the seller. When all of this stuff came to light the guy he bought it from should have offered his money back. Or at least been the one dealing with the shop that did the work b ecause he is the one the shop is responsible to not the guy he sold the car to. Or he could given back a couple of grand to help the buyer make the car what he said it was. One more thing just because a person is a member of a board don't make him/her honest, people troll these boards looking for the unknowing to dump there junk on.
Well, this is a touchy answer, but I WAS offered $$. In fact, I was offered $4k about 50% of the way through this nightmare.
The "deal" with the $$ was that I was to shut my mouth, make this thread go away and post that I was wrong.
They can shove their $4k up their asses. I'm not lying for that kind of $$, and I'm most certainly not going to shut up and hide the truth.
$4k is a DEPOSIT on this job.......
Quote from: jb666 on August 12, 2009, 01:48:20 PM
Ok, I need some help from you guys that have done your headliners.
Towards the rear/sail panels there appears to have been cardboard under the liner. In mine, there isn't. It was glued up. There are holes with a couple of clips in them but not attached to anything.
Any insight would be helpful -- I'm just curious if (as usual) something is missing.
Legendary sells them, $18
https://www.legendaryautointeriors.com/webmodules/catcatalog/dtl_allcatalog2.aspx?class=SB&year=69&desc=charger
/Brian
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Quote from: jb666 on August 12, 2009, 01:48:20 PM
Ok, I need some help from you guys that have done your headliners.
Towards the rear/sail panels there appears to have been cardboard under the liner. In mine, there isn't. It was glued up. There are holes with a couple of clips in them but not attached to anything.
Any insight would be helpful -- I'm just curious if (as usual) something is missing.
Legendary sells them, $18
https://www.legendaryautointeriors.com/webmodules/catcatalog/dtl_allcatalog2.aspx?class=SB&year=69&desc=charger
/Brian
Thanks Brian!! :cheers: :cheers:
Ok guys --- Next part(s) that I need, help me identify them...
They attach to the door glass on each side and follow the channel gliding up and down the triangle/vent windows. I believe they are Black plastic, but am not 100% certain. Mine are both pretty much disintegrated.
:popcrn:
Quote from: jb666 on August 12, 2009, 03:37:45 PM
$4k is a DEPOSIT on this job.......
I would think that any machine, body or interior shop will want MUCH more than $4K down to start on ANYTHING they know BK had a hand in after reading and seeing the pics here. :scratchchin:
Quote from: Steve P. on August 12, 2009, 07:50:23 PM
Quote from: jb666 on August 12, 2009, 03:37:45 PM
$4k is a DEPOSIT on this job.......
I would think that any machine, body or interior shop will want MUCH more than $4K down to start on ANYTHING they know BK had a hand in after reading and seeing the pics here. :scratchchin:
Correction. Most shops out there would be smart to flat out REFUSE any car that came from BK. It'd be cheaper for the owner of the car to buy a clean roller and do the swap-over... The funny thing about that is I had a local guy selling a VERY CLEAN (original) '69 Charger with a nicely built 440. It was Dark Green. I remember telling him "I don't want to pay you $28k then have to pay $20k to have it painted. I'm going to save $$ and buy one done".
MORON!!!! :brickwall: :brickwall: :brickwall:
Quote from: jb666 on August 12, 2009, 07:49:30 PM
Ok guys --- Next part(s) that I need, help me identify them...
They attach to the door glass on each side and follow the channel gliding up and down the triangle/vent windows. I believe they are Black plastic, but am not 100% certain. Mine are both pretty much disintegrated.
:popcrn:
Has anyone ever seen this part on EBay? I have no idea what to even call it!! :popcrn:
My local supplier Classic Performance had them on the shelf.My invoice describes them as fd32230 various mopar glass channel with strip.They fit A,B.and C body.A bit pricy @ $161 canadian for both doors.
Damn buddy, are the nuts under the steering column ok?? :brickwall:
Quote from: Green71R/T on August 14, 2009, 10:03:05 PM
My local supplier Classic Performance had them on the shelf.My invoice describes them as fd32230 various mopar glass channel with strip.They fit A,B.and C body.A bit pricy @ $161 canadian for both doors.
Thank you!! It gives me a direction to go in :cheers:
Quote from: Steve P. on August 15, 2009, 12:16:51 AM
Damn buddy, are the nuts under the steering column ok?? :brickwall:
You laugh, but... One of the first things I had to do was the column. The column that BK "rebuilt" was missing all of it's internals (was a column shift, they gutted it). Every time I'd turn the wheel, the horn would go off. It was VERY annoying, but everyone around thought I just loved my horn :brickwall:
Anyways, I got a custom billet tilt column for the car. When removing the old one there was one bolt PARTIALLY holding the column under the dash and ONE (of 4) holding it to the firewall. The other 3 spots where bolts were supposed to be??? GLAD YOU ASKED!!
ZIP TIES holding it up...
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Anywho... Heading into the gym now for a couple of hours, then packing the car up and heading to the shop.. The wheels finally go back where they belong (from my garage to the car!!) and a lot more's been done... Plenty of pics later.
Your looking for the plastic drip shields that clip inside next to rear 1/4 windows right? They are just black flat plastic that fit in the rear corner of the glass slot. I have seen them on eBay and can send you a shot of one if it will help later tonight.
Quote from: b5blue on August 15, 2009, 09:18:52 AM
Your looking for the plastic drip shields that clip inside next to rear 1/4 windows right? They are just black flat plastic that fit in the rear corner of the glass slot. I have seen them on eBay and can send you a shot of one if it will help later tonight.
Thank you for your help.
I'm actually looking for the pcs that go up against the FRONT of the windows against the corner triangle/vent windows, not the rear quarter windows :cheers: :cheers:
Quote from: Green71R/T on August 14, 2009, 10:03:05 PM
My local supplier Classic Performance had them on the shelf.My invoice describes them as fd32230 various mopar glass channel with strip.They fit A,B.and C body.A bit pricy @ $161 canadian for both doors.
yep thats them. only on eplace makes them and without them your windows will rattle and whistle at speed. I just bought a pair ...from some weird mplace in minnesota. 150 bucks. never ever see them on ebay.
Quote from: SFRT on August 15, 2009, 10:47:58 AM
Quote from: Green71R/T on August 14, 2009, 10:03:05 PM
My local supplier Classic Performance had them on the shelf.My invoice describes them as fd32230 various mopar glass channel with strip.They fit A,B.and C body.A bit pricy @ $161 canadian for both doors.
yep thats them. only on eplace makes them and without them your windows will rattle and whistle at speed. I just bought a pair ...from some weird mplace in minnesota. 150 bucks. never ever see them on ebay.
There are a lot of weird places in minnesota........ :D :shruggy:
Cool, thank you guys!!
http://www.themoparshop.com/shop/product_info.php?products_id=656&osCsid=e7df220f212bb4062caf233a0bb3e215
:cheers: :cheers:
Ok , I took a bunch of pictures yesterday, and I just got home.. I'll get them up in a little bit.. But first, I wanted to show you this... A "freshly restored" Lincoln Continental arrived at the shop the other day. This "high dollar restoration" also had many corners cut...
But check this out. This absolutely takes the cake. I'd swear this came from a shop in Texas if I didn't know better :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: Check out the spelling :smilielol:
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More idiots........
And then, take one slightly modified "wheelie bike":
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Add one extremely talented (yet slightly touched) mad man, and you have an afternoon of fun in the 100 degree sun!!
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I'll be back with some real pics soon. :popcrn:
Ok, so here we are again.. Another week, another visit. This week was a good one. My trim's been restored & polished, the roll bar's been sanded/painted, and quite a bit of other things have been assembled, as you can see.
First, the headlights.. I had mentioned earlier that BK painted the assembly (you'll love this) and "adjusted" them with the help of a pack of smokes...
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Can't forget the blob of Bondo to hold the pack in place...
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Nice spring/assembly with this setup, too.
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It's funny, but they obviously painted these with a brush and while they were on the car. It's all soaked on and running down the back side..
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Each will be blasted and painted the correct color.
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And here are the (disintegrated) window channels too...
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TO BE CONTINUED...
On to the car itself.. The rear end is almost done. Backup lights installed (after some clean up work on them). Bumper on, rear chrome trim on and the final step, the tail lights, will be in this week. The entire "body gasket" kit will arrive at the shop tomorrow. All new seals will be in place for anything being bolted to the car..
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Driver's side trim was on the car.. Passenger's side was all polished/finished but not installed yet.
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Excuse the hand prints all over the bar, I had just finished putting my paws all over them. Keep one thing in mind here. This car, much like the GL from DOH, will have padding covering it. I could have had the bar done many ways, but I really wanted to keep the bar looking like it should, to match the car, so it'll be covered from top to bottom. (It'll also make my life a bit easier when I get in and out and am slamming every body part against it). You know what they say, better safe than Sorry...
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Dash pad refinished, vin tag restored and clips in place waiting for windshield to be installed
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The front "driving lights" were funny. One screw holding each one in , and it was a sheetrock screw. Another sign of a great job... And I loved the shattered CLEAR bulbs inside the housings...
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The blasting dust can still be seen in there.. pre-bar paint they tried to get what they could from falling (under the dash), because they re-installed my heater assembly after.. Hopefully this is the end of the Sand, but I doubt it.
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TO BE CONTINUED.......
On to the interior pcs... IMO, they came out awesome. I'm VERY happy with them. I wish I took some good PRE-SHOTS of them, because you'd laugh, but I think you can imagine what shape they were in since BK re-covered these themselves.. What blows my mind is they charged Brian $500 for the "purchase and install of headrests". All they did was put the chrome trim on the top of the seat and JAM the posts through the foam. Nice job!!!
They are all 100% fixed/working now. The lady that did this work is incredible, reasonable and fast!!
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These had to be replaced. They were torn, slit and trashed. They could not be saved...
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Let me just say this... When you "install seat covers/foam", you DO NOT USE a stapler that you'd use on 3 sheets of paper. They just don't hold!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And the wheels are back, to be installed!!!! This, to me, will be exciting.. Seeing those back on the car it'll make it really jump out...
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_3408Medium.jpg)
And here's a random shot of the big Lincoln (that these guys DID NOT build)
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And my final glimpse of the day...
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QuoteThe front "driving lights" were funny. One screw holding each one in , and it was a sheetrock screw. Another sign of a great job... And I loved the AMBER bulbs inside the housings...
Looks great.....
PS---amber bulbs are supposed to be in the front parking light housings (1157 A)
Quote from: NOT Just 6T9 CHGR on August 16, 2009, 02:21:40 PM
QuoteThe front "driving lights" were funny. One screw holding each one in , and it was a sheetrock screw. Another sign of a great job... And I loved the AMBER bulbs inside the housings...
Looks great.....
PS---amber bulbs are supposed to be in the front parking light housings (1157 A)
No -- These were shattered bulbs semi welded into place.. Took some time to get them out and cleaned up so the new bulbs could be put in.
Thanks for checking out the pics though -- It's getting so close I can taste it (maybe that's the left over Bondo that I can taste, but what ever!!)
:cheers:
how u plan on fixing those window channels?
Quote from: autodynamics on August 16, 2009, 02:44:20 PM
how u plan on fixing those window channels?
I bought replacements. Year One and several others sell them.. Ran about $130 for the pair.
really!!! could you send me a link..... i need to look into this.. Pete .................................thanks
Quote from: autodynamics on August 16, 2009, 02:55:00 PM
really!!! could you send me a link..... i need to look into this.. Pete .................................thanks
This is what I needed:
http://www.yearone.com/serverfiles/fbshopmain2.asp?pid=FD32230&c=0&e=0&cat=1&hid=120AG5222&trk=13
:cheers: :cheers:
It's funny, but even looking back at Bangshift's last update, the car has come so far!!! Then I went back and looked at all 3 of his articles.. Wow!!
http://www.bangshift.com/blog/The-Hack-Job-General-Lee-Update-Light-at-the-End-of-the-Tunnel.html
The cig pack makes sense. They were Marlboro "LIGHTS" right?
Great pictures and unless that BMW has a chevy/mopar power plant let's move it on out of there. :icon_smile_big:
Car is looking awesome, love the tag, noticed th bar is painted and where can I get me one of them CONTINE"TN"ALS ;D
Quote from: mikepmcs on August 16, 2009, 03:57:18 PM
Great pictures and unless that BMW has a chevy/mopar power plant let's move it on out of there. :icon_smile_big:
Car is looking awesome, love the tag, noticed th bar is painted and where can I get me one of them CONTINE"TN"ALS ;D
It's got a blown big block stuffed under the hood.
Ok, ok ok.. Fine, it's bone stock and is nothing to look at.. I even said that yesterday "Last week I was buried in by all sorts of custom hot rods, this week I'm blocked in by a Beemer??". :lol:
The tag came out great!! Considering before, it was missing the logo and was the wrong color.
JB, what's up with the changing license plates?
:shruggy:
Quote from: teamroth on August 17, 2009, 11:02:41 AM
JB, what's up with the changing license plates?
:shruggy:
:lol: You noticed!!
Well, my new plates arrived a couple of months ago... The "GNR LEE" plate was expired (I didn't like it), and the HEMI GL plate went on 1/2 way through my visit (when I remembered I had it). It's funny, because in the pictures they plates are glowing, like I made them stand out.. Just the way the light caught them.
Quote from: jb666 on August 17, 2009, 12:23:16 PM
Quote from: teamroth on August 17, 2009, 11:02:41 AM
JB, what's up with the changing license plates?
:shruggy:
:lol: You noticed!!
Well, my new plates arrived a couple of months ago... The "GNR LEE" plate was expired (I didn't like it), and the HEMI GL plate went on 1/2 way through my visit (when I remembered I had it). It's funny, because in the pictures they plates are glowing, like I made them stand out.. Just the way the light caught them.
Ha! Yeah I noticed, I thought you were mindfreaking all of us. I had to look twice. Car looks awesome bro, so happy for you!
:cheers:
Thank you, I appreciate it. You have no idea what my level of excitement is at. The day is FINALLY coming!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Noticed the plates also. You had me wondering for a moment
Quote from: mopar73 on August 17, 2009, 08:15:33 PM
Noticed the plates also. You had me wondering for a moment
I actually didn't put any thought into it when I was taking pictures in between the plate swap.. Then someone PM'd me and asked if it was a joke... Joke's on me :lol:
your car is looking great! i can't wait to see it doing a burnout down the road . :cheers:
Quote from: oestermarken on August 12, 2009, 03:48:07 PM
Quote from: jb666 on August 12, 2009, 01:48:20 PM
Ok, I need some help from you guys that have done your headliners.
Towards the rear/sail panels there appears to have been cardboard under the liner. In mine, there isn't. It was glued up. There are holes with a couple of clips in them but not attached to anything.
Any insight would be helpful -- I'm just curious if (as usual) something is missing.
Legendary sells them, $18
https://www.legendaryautointeriors.com/webmodules/catcatalog/dtl_allcatalog2.aspx?class=SB&year=69&desc=charger
/Brian
Ok, I'm being told by Legendary that they are 2-3 weeks out on shipping this item. YearOne buys from Legendary, so same story there.. Does anyone here happen to have a pair of these kicking around that I could buy???
Found'em from Junkman on EBay. Not sure why I didn't ask him first, he seems to have a lot of the hard to find items...
Now I just need for the stuff I ordered LAST WEEK to show up.. :brickwall: because of that fact I've caused a CEASE FIRE on any work on my car. I figured these "power sellers" would ship pretty quickly, especially since they are local. Think again.
Well, I got some good news, finally.. Parts should be arriving at the shop today.. It's funny how this reminds me of building a house.. You see the walls up, the roof on, the windows in and you think "Great, I'll be moving in very soon!". WRONG. The finish work can be a killer, too.. There are so many little things to putting this back together correctly that weren't there to begin with.
The only thing I have to say (again) is how grateful I am to have Mopar guys doing this work, because another shop wouldn't know what "belongs" in different places...
The other thing that sucks is now that it's painted and looking so nice, we can't just re-use all of the CRAP that came off the car. All of the trim, molding, seals, plugs, etc.. have to be replaced.
I tell ya, I CAN NOT WAIT for this to be over!!!!!!! Next time I mention that I'm going to buy a car, someone come to my house and put a bullet in my head, it'll be easier in the long run!!! :cheers: :cheers:
Quote from: jb666 on August 20, 2009, 11:37:26 AM
Next time I mention that I'm going to buy a car, someone come to my house and put a bullet in my head, it'll be easier in the long run!!! :cheers: :cheers:
And miss out on all of this?
No way man, I think you should get a knight rider car next.
Can't wait to see the dash work and camera problems.
Quote from: ChgrSteve67 on August 20, 2009, 03:58:14 PM
Quote from: jb666 on August 20, 2009, 11:37:26 AM
Next time I mention that I'm going to buy a car, someone come to my house and put a bullet in my head, it'll be easier in the long run!!! :cheers: :cheers:
And miss out on all of this?
No way man, I think you should get a knight rider car next.
Can't wait to see the dash work and camera problems.
:lol: Gee, THANKS!!! I'm glad my sanity went to a good cause -- The forum's entertainment!!
I got a call from the shop today that shocked the Hell out of me... I didn't expect ANYTHING to be done on the car this week. It's been brutally hot, and my EBay parts haven't come.. But...
Wheel wells undercoated. Springs cleaned up/painted, sway bars painted (loads of BK overspray, or in this case UNDERspray). Wheels are back on. Passenger side chrome/trim's been polished installed. Both door vent windows/chrome have been polished and installed (and I'm told the driver's door was so jury rigged it's another laughable matter).
So all in all it sounds like the car's come a long way this week, much to my surprise. Plus, some of my EBay parts started rolling in, which is great... :cheers:
Quote from: jb666 on August 16, 2009, 01:57:29 PM
On to the car itself.. The rear end is almost done. Backup lights installed (after some clean up work on them). Bumper on, rear chrome trim on and the final step, the tail lights, will be in this week. The entire "body gasket" kit will arrive at the shop tomorrow. All new seals will be in place for anything being bolted to the car..
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_3374Medium.jpg)
Driver's side trim was on the car.. Passenger's side was all polished/finished but not installed yet.
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Excuse the hand prints all over the bar, I had just finished putting my paws all over them. Keep one thing in mind here. This car, much like the GL from DOH, will have padding covering it. I could have had the bar done many ways, but I really wanted to keep the bar looking like it should, to match the car, so it'll be covered from top to bottom. (It'll also make my life a bit easier when I get in and out and am slamming every body part against it). You know what they say, better safe than Sorry...
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Dash pad refinished, vin tag restored and clips in place waiting for windshield to be installed
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The front "driving lights" were funny. One screw holding each one in , and it was a sheetrock screw. Another sign of a great job... And I loved the shattered CLEAR bulbs inside the housings...
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_3391Medium.jpg)
The blasting dust can still be seen in there.. pre-bar paint they tried to get what they could from falling (under the dash), because they re-installed my heater assembly after.. Hopefully this is the end of the Sand, but I doubt it.
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TO BE CONTINUED.......
that colour looks awesome in H O I was so close to painting my car that colour I could taste it in the end I bought the FK5 burnt orange so I wouldn't change my mind.Even thought of mixing the two to get that H O gleam in the sunlight.In the meantime I'll have to be content waiting to see the FK5 come off the gun.You sure are lucky old mate.
(http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t146/kwe38/untitled.jpg)
Thank you for the compliments, I appreciate it! :cheers:
First, I just got back from the shop. I'm all smiles ear to ear with what I saw.. The car is absolutely stunning in person. I COULD NOT BE HAPPIER. These guys are freakin' awesome!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ok, enough of that. First, I wanted to show you something though. You'll never see this anywhere else. It's the WORLD'S FIRST GENERAL LEE, around LONG BEFORE the first '69 Charger ever did it's famous jump...
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSCN3777_2.jpg)
No, sorry guys, it's not for sale, and no, BK did not build it (so it's driveable).
Here's a quick walk around-video, but let me tell you first what I showed up to see this weekend...... Chrome trim restored/installed. Grille (which was already restored) is installed. Headlight assembly completely refinished/installed. Wheels on. Wheel wells completely finished/undercoated. Sway bars and springs have been painted, and the entire undercarriage has been finished (looks like it did the way it rolled off the assembly line in '69 except for the addition of the subframe connectors).
So the car changed A LOT this week!!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JggX4ZoxALA
Sweet your getting closer! :cheers:
And we're off.......
First, I wanted to show you something. The front passenger's door/vent window. HOW DID BK GET ORANGE ALL OVER THIS if they took the car apart to paint it?? And why would they invoice Brian to "custom make hing pin" when you can buy OEM window assemblies cheap on EBay (Got my clean OEM replacement for under $50!!). These are questions that may never be answered, but we can chalk another one up to the greatest hack job known to man.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_3476Medium.jpg)
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Adn I know you'll all wish you could create custom things like this (and charge for it!!!!!!!!)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_3482Medium.jpg)
TO BE CONTINUED....
Enough small talk, on to the shots of the car.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_3437Medium.jpg)
If you look close towards the front of the car you can see the flake (no, not my reflection)
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My first shot of the "new" grille in place.
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TO BE CONTINUED......
Looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooookin gooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooood................ :2thumbs:
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No more Orange overspray :lol:
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Nice clean wheel wells!!!!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_3464Medium.jpg)
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My "picture of the day"
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TO BE CONTINUED...
Still buried in the back, but at least the BMW's gone!!
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The next work-of-art in it's beginning stages...
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And my last shot. The flash didn't go off, and it ended up being one of my favorite shots!!
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That's all, folks!!!
Man! she is looking good. :2thumbs:
Lookin great Jeff :boogie: You can tell the shop kicks some ass when you see cars coming in left and right and you also get lots of progress. :2thumbs:
I think I'm blind :o :cheers: :coolgleamA: :coolgleamA:
Looking at your pics is making muiss my General a little bit. It looks great Jeff. :2thumbs:
:shruggy: Are you sure you want to leave the hood compartment Chevy black after all the money you've spent?
Quote from: alcusswhen on August 22, 2009, 08:19:26 PM
:shruggy: Are you sure you want to leave the hood compartment Chevy black after all the money you've spent?
:rofl: :rofl: Don't you worry, it won't be Black for long, but I want to use the car for the rest of the season.. At the end of the season/winter the motor will be pulled and the engine compartment will be completely redone..
HAD I KNOWN the job was going to be this involved the engine bay would be done already but those USELESS bars under the hood have to come out, so it's not a quick project.
Thanks guys, I appreciate the comments :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
Quote from: The70RT on August 22, 2009, 04:55:46 PM
Lookin great Jeff :boogie: You can tell the shop kicks some ass when you see cars coming in left and right and you also get lots of progress. :2thumbs:
You are absolutely right. I have seen so many cars come and go from this shop, and they were all equally as cool. This shop is like the ultimate dream job (for someone with skill LOL!!).
Quote from: General_01 on August 22, 2009, 07:38:55 PM
Looking at your pics is making muiss my General a little bit. It looks great Jeff. :2thumbs:
Don't feel bad, I miss mine too :lol:
Quote from: Back N Black on August 22, 2009, 03:56:05 PM
Man! she is looking good. :2thumbs:
Waiting for anyone to get "offended" that you called The General a she :lol: :popcrn:
Quote from: alcusswhen on August 22, 2009, 08:19:26 PM
:shruggy: Are you sure you want to leave the hood compartment Chevy black after all the money you've spent?
I think he is yanking the motor later and will deal with the engine bay then.
Quote from: General_01 on August 22, 2009, 08:34:30 PM
Quote from: alcusswhen on August 22, 2009, 08:19:26 PM
:shruggy: Are you sure you want to leave the hood compartment Chevy black after all the money you've spent?
I think he is yanking the motor later and will deal with the engine bay then.
Indeed that is the plan. I want to see how this motor performs for me this year before deciding what to do. It'll either be yanked and left along for the sake of doing the engine bay, or Jon will get it back and will work his magic on it. Either way, this engine bay won't look anything like this next year..
Quote from: jb666 on August 22, 2009, 08:39:41 PM
Quote from: General_01 on August 22, 2009, 08:34:30 PM
Quote from: alcusswhen on August 22, 2009, 08:19:26 PM
:shruggy: Are you sure you want to leave the hood compartment Chevy black after all the money you've spent?
I think he is yanking the motor later and will deal with the engine bay then.
Indeed that is the plan. I want to see how this motor performs for me this year before deciding what to do. It'll either be yanked and left along for the sake of doing the engine bay, or Jon will get it back and will work his magic on it. Either way, this engine bay won't look anything like this next year..
Glad to know that it does my heart good. Mopars with black engine bays, the terms Chally and Bevy make me sick if a person wants a Chevy they should buy one, but they should not disgrace the greatness of mopars with the letter Y.
Who really cares? Maybe he would like to drive it someday :shruggy:
Fwiw, most Generals had a black engine bay. I just like the looks of body color.
Quote from: The70RT on August 23, 2009, 08:44:03 AM
Who really cares? Maybe he would like to drive it someday :shruggy:
That's an understatement.
Do you realize (not that anyone's thinking about it) but a week from today is the one year anniversary of my driving to Maryland to buy this thing :rofl: , so right now one of the last things on my mind is the color of the engine bay.
Looking great :2thumbs:
I spy a AMX beside the charger, is it a 69???
Jason
Quote from: jaak on August 23, 2009, 12:29:07 PM
Looking great :2thumbs:
I spy a AMX beside the charger, is it a 69???
Jason
Thank you!
Indeed it is!! Full resto, but the owner put the project on hold and it's been sitting in the corner ever since.. I know if it were mine I'd want that bad boy on the road!!!
Jeff, the car is comming along amazing. As you know i stopped by today and my god that paint looks awesome!!
And well at least the general now has some charger company for awhile :2thumbs:
Franks's in the house. Woot!
Car looks great Jeff. :2thumbs:
I thought that a General Lee was the only accecpted place for a black engine compartment?
Thats what I was thinking the rule around here was.
Quote from: 1HotDaytona on August 25, 2009, 07:21:11 AM
I thought that a General Lee was the only accecpted place for a black engine compartment?
Thats what I was thinking the rule around here was.
That is generally the case, no pun intended... But I (like so many others) prefer the body color under the hood. To the best of my knowledge, none of the "tv series" GL's had anything but Black under the hood. It was cheap and easy for WB to put the cars together.. I watched a documentary the other night that said they built as many as 3 cars per day just to trash... Sad. But that's a dead horse for another day.
Quote from: FLG on August 25, 2009, 12:40:41 AM
Jeff, the car is comming along amazing. As you know i stopped by today and my god that paint looks awesome!!
And well at least the general now has some charger company for awhile :2thumbs:
Thanks Frank!! I'm sorry I missed you this time around. Next time I'll make sure I'm down there too. Glad you liked the job they are doing. Pictures really don't do it any justice, in person it is just awe inspiring!!!
Quote from: jb666 on August 25, 2009, 07:51:47 AM
Quote from: 1HotDaytona on August 25, 2009, 07:21:11 AM
I thought that a General Lee was the only accecpted place for a black engine compartment?
Thats what I was thinking the rule around here was.
That is generally the case, no pun intended... But I (like so many others) prefer the body color under the hood. To the best of my knowledge, none of the "tv series" GL's had anything but Black under the hood. It was cheap and easy for WB to put the cars together.. I watched a documentary the other night that said they built as many as 3 cars per day just to trash... Sad. But that's a dead horse for another day.
Quote from: FLG on August 25, 2009, 12:40:41 AM
Jeff, the car is comming along amazing. As you know i stopped by today and my god that paint looks awesome!!
And well at least the general now has some charger company for awhile :2thumbs:
Thanks Frank!! I'm sorry I missed you this time around. Next time I'll make sure I'm down there too. Glad you liked the job they are doing. Pictures really don't do it any justice, in person it is just awe inspiring!!!
I also prefer the body color gine compartment....I just thought it was odd that ,that many people where on you about it since it is a General.
Well, you know what? Much like Bull was mentioning in another thread, you can't please everyone, and you're always going to have someone asking you why you did this, why you did that.
As soon as I posted the pics of the graphics that were painted on, I began getting PM's like "Why did you do that style?" and "Why aren't they spaced out properly for the Georgia era??". Because I DO NOT CARE about an "era specific" look. I want the car the way I want it, because after all, this thing's going to be buried with me when I go!!!!
Quote from: jb666 on August 25, 2009, 08:03:56 AM
Well, you know what? Much like Bull was mentioning in another thread, you can't please everyone, and you're always going to have someone asking you why you did this, why you did that.
As soon as I posted the pics of the graphics that were painted on, I began getting PM's like "Why did you do that style?" and "Why aren't they spaced out properly for the Georgia era??". Because I DO NOT CARE about an "era specific" look. I want the car the way I want it, because after all, this thing's going to be buried with me when I go!!!!
Amen!
I got notified of another segment over on Bangshift (formerly Fryburger's) this morning... Pretty cool stuff. This guy has a way with words, and I love the layout.
http://www.bangshift.com/blog/Hack-Job-General-Lee-Video-So-Close-We-Can-Almost-Taste-It.html
So when is the magazine photo shoot scheduled for?? :2thumbs: Better start dropping those dimes soon. Or maybe quarters.. :shruggy:
that thing is looking awesome !! can see the flake sparkling in a couple of pictures :coolgleamA:
Quote from: Steve P. on August 25, 2009, 10:20:00 AM
So when is the magazine photo shoot scheduled for?? :2thumbs: Better start dropping those dimes soon. Or maybe quarters.. :shruggy:
Now you know I don't kiss and tell, Steve!! :icon_smile_big:
Quote from: tan top on August 25, 2009, 10:28:11 AM
that thing is looking awesome !! can see the flake sparkling in a couple of pictures :coolgleamA:
Thank you!! Someone said to me the other day "you know, I'm not even a Mopar fan but that thing got me all excited" (in other words). I thought that was very cool.
I know GL's are for everyone, but this is like a dream come true for me, finally...
Wow....wish I could be there when you take it out cruising. I cruised with Chuck in his and he gets tons of looks and yee haws and it was great. Yeah some will give you flack no mater how you do things. Some also act like the Duke show was actually real and are reliving that time today.......I guess that's okay but there is also a real life and everyone does things different......don't forget to get your case of shine and a cute Daisy :laugh:
Quote from: The70RT on August 25, 2009, 06:20:55 PM
Wow....wish I could be there when you take it out cruising. I cruised with Chuck in his and he gets tons of looks and yee haws and it was great. Yeah some will give you flack no mater how you do things. Some also act like the Duke show was actually real and are reliving that time today.......I guess that's okay but there is also a real life and everyone does things different......don't forget to get your case of shine and a cute Daisy :laugh:
I married my cute little daisy.. In fact, we had a "halloween party" to go to last weekend and she dressed up like Daisy Duke. It was really cool.. I'd post pics, but the outcome wouldn't be too pretty (it would end with a rusty knife). She played the part very well though :lol:
Anyways, I'll be the first to tell people that I'm stuck in the 80's, but I know reality from the real world.
Wait... Are you telling me Hazzard doesn't exist??? :o
nothin wrong with being stuck in the 80's.
Speaking of being stuck in the 80's , where's Chuck been lately?? I hope everything's ok with him???
He was on last night at 2030 hours. Like me, maybe the skips just decided to slow down for a while and not post as much. If you notice i've been steering more towards the off topic subs lately. For some reason my interests have turned elsewhere right now, probably just need a breather or whatever. Maybe he's tired of the way people take things too serious sometimes, like your thread for instance. Always amazes me how people try to tell people how their car should be. Maybe, maybe, maybe. I hope Lisa and Chuck are fine as well.
:icon_smile_big:
Jeff, I spoke to him a few weeks ago when Mr. Angry was out there. he says things are slow work wise, but everyone is good. Maybe i will give him a call today and if I get ahold of him I will tell him everyone is asking about him. :2thumbs:
That's cool. I hope everything's ok.
Mike, I know JUST what you're saying. But as you know, that's not just the attitude here. When I had the Z06 torn down to the frame and custom painted, people would be doing the "why not do this while it's apart?" and "Why'd you do that?". The bottom line is if they want to pay for the resto/paint job, I'll take all suggestions and work with them.. In the meantime, it's coming out of my pocket so it's being done according to my vision.
Hey Jeff,
Can you take some pics for me if they made any progress on the charger? Not doing much but just a few things that need attention. The big stuff is gonna happen later this year :2thumbs:
Quote from: FLG on August 26, 2009, 07:24:23 AM
Hey Jeff,
Can you take some pics for me if they made any progress on the charger? Not doing much but just a few things that need attention. The big stuff is gonna happen later this year :2thumbs:
Of course I can!! Any excuse to take more pictures!!!
I'll email everything I take when I get back from the shop. :cheers: :cheers:
Thanks. Figured your gonna be there saturday to take pics of the general hopefully ill be blocking you in instead of that other crap :nana:
Quote from: FLG on August 26, 2009, 07:29:43 AM
Thanks. Figured your gonna be there saturday to take pics of the general hopefully ill be blocking you in instead of that other crap :nana:
That'll make for some cool pictures. Blocked in by Frank's Charger will be the theme of this weekend's shots! The great thing about that shop (not that there's ONE great thing) is when someone (customer/vendor) walks in there the first thing they say to them is DONT GO NEAR THE CARS IN HERE! I like that, because there are a LOT of people who don't care about/respect other people's property. I remember last week, I told someone to get off my car (they were leaning up against the 06). He said "Oh you're one of those??". Those?? If you mean I care about my paint, then yeah, I am. :brickwall:
I know what you mean. I always put my keys from on my side to in my pocket when i walk around the shop or shows. Never touch and never lean. :2thumbs:
Though you do have a general, so remember kids and even adults will want to play and touch.
Quote from: FLG on August 26, 2009, 08:06:19 AM
I know what you mean. I always put my keys from on my side to in my pocket when i walk around the shop or shows. Never touch and never lean. :2thumbs:
Though you do have a general, so remember kids and even adults will want to play and touch.
Yeah, they had a guy come in the shop last week to return a pc of equipment. Apparently his path was near my car.. They stopped him really quickly :2guns:
I was at a car show and saw a guy pick his 3 or 4 year old kid up and stand him on the front fender of a show car so he could back up and take a picture.
I could not believe my eyes, I was speachless.
The owner of the car never saw it.
This year while i was at a MOPAR Day in the park a gentleman and his two sons (early teenagers) walked up to my car and one of the sons set his soda pop can on the fender of my car. The father imediately told him to get that off the car, turned around and saw me and promptly told his son to get his ass over to me, apoligise and ask for something to clean the fender of my car with. The kid was imbarased, apoligised and cleaned the water the pop can left on my car. I thanked the father for watching out and respecting mine and others cars at the show.
I would be suprsed if the kid will ever do that again.
If I had done that growing up my father would have laid beat down on me and then made me clean the entire car.
the nerve of some people :smilielol:
:lol: You guys crack me up...
My Vette tends to get a lot of attention at the shows because of the audio/video/paint mods.. Funny thing is I've never had to ask anyone not to touch...
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6679Small.jpg)
Even the kids.. No one touched it... (and yeah, I miss my truck...)
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Now, with the General I'm SURE a ton of people (kids?) are going to be putting their paws all over it... I guess it's all personal preference. Some would freak out, some would say "Hop in, take a picture!".
I wouldn't mind if someone wanted to get in and have a pic, but I'd be in the FREAK OUT crowd if anyone put anything (including themselves) on my car.
Quote from: jb666 on August 26, 2009, 05:42:38 PM
I wouldn't mind if someone wanted to get in and have a pic, but I'd be in the FREAK OUT crowd if anyone put anything (including themselves) on my car.
Then I hate to say this, but you have the wrong car then, the General gets all kind of attention and folks wanting to look and touch it all the time and some folks wanting to slide in through the window like the Duke boys did on the show. Some even wants to do Lukes hood slide :o across the hoods.
Quote from: MoparManJim on August 26, 2009, 06:33:46 PM
Quote from: jb666 on August 26, 2009, 05:42:38 PM
I wouldn't mind if someone wanted to get in and have a pic, but I'd be in the FREAK OUT crowd if anyone put anything (including themselves) on my car.
Then I hate to say this, but you have the wrong car then, the General gets all kind of attention and folks wanting to look and touch it all the time and some folks wanting to slide in through the window like the Duke boys did on the show. Some even wants to do Lukes hood slide :o across the hoods.
Well then, I'll have to quote a song that's been out for a while... Let the bodies hit the floor.......
I couldn't imagine anyone being THAT ignorant.
Quote from: MoparManJim on August 26, 2009, 06:33:46 PM
Quote from: jb666 on August 26, 2009, 05:42:38 PM
I wouldn't mind if someone wanted to get in and have a pic, but I'd be in the FREAK OUT crowd if anyone put anything (including themselves) on my car.
Then I hate to say this, but you have the wrong car then, the General gets all kind of attention and folks wanting to look and touch it all the time and some folks wanting to slide in through the window like the Duke boys did on the show. Some even wants to do Lukes hood slide :o across the hoods.
I've been to many mopar shows and seen many GL's at them. Never once have I seen ANYONE try something as stupid as to try to climb into anyone's car windows or slide across a hood. I believe most people that spend the money to go to shows know better and for the most part, even the free shows. A few well placed cards reading, (PLEASE DO NOT TOUCH), goes a long ways.
Quote from: Steve P. on August 26, 2009, 06:45:52 PM
Quote from: MoparManJim on August 26, 2009, 06:33:46 PM
Quote from: jb666 on August 26, 2009, 05:42:38 PM
I wouldn't mind if someone wanted to get in and have a pic, but I'd be in the FREAK OUT crowd if anyone put anything (including themselves) on my car.
Then I hate to say this, but you have the wrong car then, the General gets all kind of attention and folks wanting to look and touch it all the time and some folks wanting to slide in through the window like the Duke boys did on the show. Some even wants to do Lukes hood slide :o across the hoods.
I've been to many mopar shows and seen many GL's at them. Never once have I seen ANYONE try something as stupid as to try to climb into anyone's car windows or slide across a hood. I believe most people that spend the money to go to shows know better and for the most part, even the free shows. A few well placed cards reading, (PLEASE DO NOT TOUCH), goes a long ways.
I had one family stop in, was looking at my car about 3 to 4 years ago now. The first thing the guy ask was "can I slide across the hood?" and I said "no" I don't mind climbing in through the windows at all. Heck I do it myself. I also came home one evening to find a group of kids (teenagers) had drop in and was waiting for me to see if it was okay for them to look at the car. then one night around 9:30 PM had a bronco (neighbors) stop in and the folks wanted to look at my car.
If that happens with the car just setting, wonder about it out around town. :lol:
Quote from: Steve P. on August 26, 2009, 06:45:52 PM
Quote from: MoparManJim on August 26, 2009, 06:33:46 PM
Quote from: jb666 on August 26, 2009, 05:42:38 PM
I wouldn't mind if someone wanted to get in and have a pic, but I'd be in the FREAK OUT crowd if anyone put anything (including themselves) on my car.
Then I hate to say this, but you have the wrong car then, the General gets all kind of attention and folks wanting to look and touch it all the time and some folks wanting to slide in through the window like the Duke boys did on the show. Some even wants to do Lukes hood slide :o across the hoods.
I've been to many mopar shows and seen many GL's at them. Never once have I seen ANYONE try something as stupid as to try to climb into anyone's car windows or slide across a hood. I believe most people that spend the money to go to shows know better and for the most part, even the free shows. A few well placed cards reading, (PLEASE DO NOT TOUCH), goes a long ways.
Ditto that.. I've by no means got the experience here that a lot of the veteran members have, but I've been attending car shows for 20+ years. I was taught at an early age NOT TO TOUCH SOMEONE ELSE'S CAR, period. People spend years restoring a car to perfection, the last thing they need is some snot nosed punk coming up and slamming his drink down on the car and trying to climb in for his buddy to take a picture :RantExplode:
I highly doubt this car will be leaving my site once I start to hit the shows with it.. 10' back, maybe, but not far off.
I've had one GL and it got more attention that my 69 Charger, Viper GTS, & other various Mopar's I've owned COMBINED! I never had any problem with the car show crowd, but you really have to watch the common folk here in the foot hills of the Ozarks. I couldn't turn around without someone trying to shove their kid through the window, reaching in and honkin the dixie horn until the battery was low, running their hands all over the paint, sticking their heads inside the car with cigarettes blazing looking at the new interior, and wanting me to go give them a ride to the liquor store, outrun the law, and jump the closest creek. I was a nervous wreck when I drove the General anywhere. Boy I miss that car, totally worth it! :icon_smile_wink:
Quote from: Go Hogs Go on August 27, 2009, 12:04:05 PM
I've had one GL and it got more attention that my 69 Charger, Viper GTS, & other various Mopar's I've owned COMBINED! I never had any problem with the car show crowd, but you really have to watch the common folk here in the foot hills of the Ozarks. I couldn't turn around without someone trying to shove their kid through the window, reaching in and honkin the dixie horn until the battery was low, running their hands all over the paint, sticking their heads inside the car with cigarettes blazing looking at the new interior, and wanting me to go give them a ride to the liquor store, outrun the law, and jump the closest creek. I was a nervous wreck when I drove the General anywhere. Boy I miss that car, totally worth it! :icon_smile_wink:
:lol: Good ending!!
So I got word today that ALL of my (EBay) parts have arrived, thank God. And it made me realize that the extremely generous person who sent me a rear window trim kit (that I couldn't use) hadn't been sent back yet. If you're reading this, I apologize :cheers: :cheers:
Well, today's visit was another awesome one.. Not only did I get to see Frank's(FLG) car , which I ABSOLUTELY LOVED, but I got to see my car one step closer.. This thing is surreal to me. It is looking amazing. I'm actually getting NERVOUS now, it's getting so close to being finished... I've come to enjoy my Saturday General Lee visits!!!
Anyways, here's a video to get you going. I think you'll like the music a bit more this week. A bit more appropriate for the car. Pictures to follow.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wsj0Q-beu4o
Ok, Frank... This bud's for you... The possibilities are endless. Just imagine... If your car looked like this...
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6883Medium.jpg)
Then you, too, could have the admiration and desires of ALL your friends (and some people you may never meet!)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6887Medium.jpg)
Now, don't rag on that guy, please.. He's got an awesome sense of humor and is a great person.. He did this as a joke :lol:
I'll let Frank post any other pictures he wants to (just emailed them to him), but I have to say how much I admire him. He's got an old Charger, a lot on his plate, his whole future in front of him yet he knows exactly what he wants. You are definitely a good kid with his head on straight. Keep up the good work, man :cheers: :cheers:
And we're off and running...
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All of my seals arrived this week, so all marker lights, tail lights and handles are in.
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On these shots, keep in mind there's no hood latch yet, so the hood IS NOT SECURED (in case you noticed the gap)
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Can you tell how nice I think the nose came out??
TO BE CONTINUED.....
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Another COOL RIDE in their shop this week!!
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More of the master's work over at Tube Chassis Designz...
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(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6894Medium.jpg)
And the Hemi Dart clone in progress. Wheel well openings cut to spec.
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That's all, folks!!
And just in case I buried it, don't forget to check out the video from today.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wsj0Q-beu4o
Awesome Jeff! ETA?
Quote from: teamroth on August 29, 2009, 02:49:17 PM
Awesome Jeff! ETA?
I'm not 100% certain, at this point. There are a couple of other small items I need to get to complete, but I know I'll be in for some cool Fall cruising. :cheers: :cheers:
Awesome! The General sure does look fresh! :cheers:
Considering this was it not so long ago, I'd have to agree!!
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:eek2:
I'm excited for you man. :cheers: You deserve a couple victory laps this fall.
Quote from: Go Hogs Go on August 29, 2009, 03:09:53 PM
I'm excited for you man. :cheers: You deserve a couple victory laps this fall.
It's funny you'd say that. There's a very special photo shoot planned for when the car's done and it's being referred to as the "victory lap"!!
Ok I know the hood is not latched but why does it look like a big gap between the top of the grill and fender? I am a simpleton so forgive me for asking...
Quote from: RamchargerMopar on August 29, 2009, 03:17:24 PM
Ok I know the hood is not latched but why does it look like a big gap between the top of the grill and fender? I am a simpleton so forgive me for asking...
You actually aren't a simpleton. The top of the grille/support area still has to have some final adjustments, but the hood latch assembly hasn't arrived yet, so that'll be last.
Jeff do you have a '69 R/R tail light lined up? The one in there is from a '70....just curious...
Quote from: jb666 on August 29, 2009, 03:18:57 PM
Quote from: RamchargerMopar on August 29, 2009, 03:17:24 PM
Ok I know the hood is not latched but why does it look like a big gap between the top of the grill and fender? I am a simpleton so forgive me for asking...
You actually aren't a simpleton. The top of the grille/support area still has to have some final adjustments, but the hood latch assembly hasn't arrived yet, so that'll be last.
Ah ok! thanks I was wondering about the gap for some time now. It looks soooo Good! I can hardly wait to see it with my own eyes!
Quote from: NOT Just 6T9 CHGR on August 29, 2009, 03:19:18 PM
Jeff do you have a '69 R/R tail light lined up? The one in there is from a '70....just curious...
Ok, maybe now I'm the simpleton, but how can you tell?
See the small reflector in the center of the light? Mandatory in 1970.
The fact that this light has the gray stripe painted on the bottom like the '69 did tells me that its from a '70 XH base model car....
Quote from: NOT Just 6T9 CHGR on August 29, 2009, 03:23:15 PM
Check your PM
Dude post it, I'd like to know too. :icon_smile_question:
Quote from: NOT Just 6T9 CHGR on August 29, 2009, 03:23:15 PM
See the small reflector in the center of the light? Mandatory in 1970.
The fact that this light has the gray stripe painted on the bottom like the '69 did tells me that its from a '70 XH base model car....
You know, had my flash not caught that exact angle, I don't think I'd have noticed that... :cheers: :cheers:
I am curious though, what Gray stripe??
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The gray stripe that '69 tail lights have on them.....
Oh lookie!!
An NOS right side assy!!!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/NOS-MOPAR-69-70-DODGE-CHARGER-DAYTONA-TAIL-LAMP-ASSY_W0QQitemZ270446727368QQcmdZViewItemQQptZMotors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories?hash=item3ef7e190c8&_trksid=p4506.c0.m245
Do it!! Do it NOW!!!
Quote from: NOT Just 6T9 CHGR on August 29, 2009, 03:29:20 PM
The gray stripe that '69 tail lights have on them.....
Oh lookie!!
An NOS right side assy!!!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/NOS-MOPAR-69-70-DODGE-CHARGER-DAYTONA-TAIL-LAMP-ASSY_W0QQitemZ270446727368QQcmdZViewItemQQptZMotors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories?hash=item3ef7e190c8&_trksid=p4506.c0.m245
Do it!! Do it NOW!!!
$400?!?! You crazy! :rofl: For something that can't be noticed unless you're either on top of it or flashing light directly on it??
Neither of the tail lights on my 69 have a gray stripe. I guess I've been running 70's for all this time and never had a clue :-\
Quote from: Go Hogs Go on August 29, 2009, 03:44:43 PM
Neither of the tail lights on my 69 have a gray stripe. I guess I've been running 70's for all this time and never had a clue :-\
And I just scanned through every single one of my pictures and am hard pressed to SEE this difference.. Maybe I'm just blind, but it's too small a difference to me to spend good $$ to change. Hopefully any views of my tail lights will be seen are those pulling quickly away from them, leaving them little time to study them. :nana:
I'm over it! :rofl: I did learn something though. :2thumbs:
Are they going to paint the bottom of the inner door? If not you're going to have an obvious 2-3" orange stripe between the carpet and door panel. Seems to be very common (or much more noticeable) on GL clones. The factory painted the inner door to match the interior color from the door seal parting line inwards. I'd have to black out the radiator too - the detail on the grill will stand out that much more. It looks great though. Glad to see all the progress!
Troy
Quote from: Troy on August 29, 2009, 04:22:47 PM
Are they going to paint the bottom of the inner door? If not you're going to have an obvious 2-3" orange stripe between the carpet and door panel. Seems to be very common (or much more noticeable) on GL clones. The factory painted the inner door to match the interior color from the door seal parting line inwards. I'd have to black out the radiator too - the detail on the grill will stand out that much more. It looks great though. Glad to see all the progress!
Troy
Thanks Troy!!
No, I'm leaving the Orange strip along the bottom of the door. I like the looks of it that way and chose to leave it.
As for Blacking out the radiator, they offered, but I declined. When the motor gets pulled to do the engine bay that'll be done then, but there's no need to yank that apart at this time. :cheers: . Same thing applies to the horn(s). Eventually those will be tucked out of site, but for now, I like the look.
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Dearest Jeff,
The next time you decide to post these wonderful pictures and then completely out of the blue toss in some of the FRANKENSTEIN pictures you had better give fair warning. I will let you get away with it this time, but consider yourself fairly warned. The next time you make me want to throw up I will remove the entire thread... ;)
Seriously, I threw up a little going from such art to the splatter welded, bondo'd mess. You owe me..... :slap:
Quote from: Steve P. on August 29, 2009, 05:55:21 PM
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Dearest Jeff,
The next time you decide to post these wonderful pictures and then completely out of the blue toss in some of the FRANKENSTEIN pictures you had better give fair warning. I will let you get away with it this time, but consider yourself fairly warned. The next time you make me want to throw up I will remove the entire thread... ;)
Seriously, I threw up a little going from such art to the splatter welded, bondo'd mess. You owe me..... :slap:
:smilielol: and here this whole time I thought you were referring to the model posing beside Frank's Charger!!!!!!!!!!!!! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Ok Steve, you have my word, I will never do that again, I pinky swear......... Did I just say that? :scratchchin:
Well guys, there was a little accident at the shop today.. My General is DEFINITELY one of a kind now!!
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:o
Much better! :2thumbs:
:nana:
:o :o :o :o
I think your car cought a good case of the... blues :smilielol:
Quote from: Hemidog on August 30, 2009, 02:15:09 PM
Much better! :2thumbs:
:nana:
Oh come on now, don't be blue.. :'(
I actually got a call from the shop TODAY. There's some work being done to my car that should make a few people happy (no, I didn't paint it OEM colors), but the pics will have to wait till next Saturday.
:cheers: :cheers:
Quote from: jb666 on August 30, 2009, 02:18:01 PM
Quote from: Hemidog on August 30, 2009, 02:15:09 PM
Much better! :2thumbs:
:nana:
Oh come on now, don't be blue.. :'(
I actually got a call from the shop TODAY. There's some work being done to my car that should make a few people happy (no, I didn't paint it OEM colors), but the pics will have to wait till next Saturday.
:cheers: :cheers:
Um.. It got a hood latch or I another tail light or the glass installed or sound deadner? Or am I even close? :smilielol:
Quote from: MoparManJim on August 30, 2009, 02:52:06 PM
Quote from: jb666 on August 30, 2009, 02:18:01 PM
Quote from: Hemidog on August 30, 2009, 02:15:09 PM
Much better! :2thumbs:
:nana:
Oh come on now, don't be blue.. :'(
I actually got a call from the shop TODAY. There's some work being done to my car that should make a few people happy (no, I didn't paint it OEM colors), but the pics will have to wait till next Saturday.
:cheers: :cheers:
Um.. It got a hood latch or I another tail light or the glass installed or sound deadner? Or am I even close? :smilielol:
Actually, none of the above :lol:
I'm not touching the tail light until I find one reasonably on EBay, here, or at Carlisle next year. It's not something anyone's going to notice unless they are right on top of the car. I've posted 2,000 pictures of the car before/during/after and it was just spotted yesterday because of the way the flash hit the light, so no biggie..
Dynamat is waiting until winter (when I'm looking for projects). And the glass will be some week day...
Quote from: jb666 on August 29, 2009, 03:35:04 PM
Quote from: NOT Just 6T9 CHGR on August 29, 2009, 03:29:20 PM
The gray stripe that '69 tail lights have on them.....
Oh lookie!!
An NOS right side assy!!!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/NOS-MOPAR-69-70-DODGE-CHARGER-DAYTONA-TAIL-LAMP-ASSY_W0QQitemZ270446727368QQcmdZViewItemQQptZMotors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories?hash=item3ef7e190c8&_trksid=p4506.c0.m245
Do it!! Do it NOW!!!
$400?!?! You crazy! :rofl: For something that can't be noticed unless you're either on top of it or flashing light directly on it??
I have a 69 that I'll trade you straight up for the 70. PM me if your interested in it.
Quote from: 7dcharger on August 30, 2009, 05:32:56 PM
Quote from: jb666 on August 29, 2009, 03:35:04 PM
Quote from: NOT Just 6T9 CHGR on August 29, 2009, 03:29:20 PM
The gray stripe that '69 tail lights have on them.....
Oh lookie!!
An NOS right side assy!!!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/NOS-MOPAR-69-70-DODGE-CHARGER-DAYTONA-TAIL-LAMP-ASSY_W0QQitemZ270446727368QQcmdZViewItemQQptZMotors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories?hash=item3ef7e190c8&_trksid=p4506.c0.m245
Do it!! Do it NOW!!!
$400?!?! You crazy! :rofl: For something that can't be noticed unless you're either on top of it or flashing light directly on it??
I have a 69 that I'll trade you straight up for the 70. PM me if your interested in it.
PM sent!! :cheers:
That's what I like about this place..... :2thumbs: Righteous brothers, helping others.
Oooooooh Myyyy Love, Myyyy Darlin. I hunnnnnnger for yourrrrr love, a long ,lonnnnnnnnlyyyyy Time... Oh oops wrong Righteous Brothers :icon_smile_big:
Quote from: RamchargerMopar on August 31, 2009, 11:46:04 AM
Oooooooh Myyyy Love, Myyyy Darlin. I hunnnnnnger for yourrrrr love, a long ,lonnnnnnnnlyyyyy Time... Oh oops wrong Righteous Brothers :icon_smile_big:
Hey, I once heard that song! I like it, you was doing a good job. :lol:
:rofl: was the first song that popped into my head from the Righteous Brothers
Another n00b checking in simply for this thread...I've been watching this since page fifty-something, but neglected to pop in and actually say hi.
I'm sure y'all have seen the 350Z that got similar treatment on a far smaller scale...I posted this thread over there and the poor Z owner about fell over sideways!
As has been said many a time here and elsewhere, you've got some huge ones bro. The few bad things that have happened to my babies were enough to reduce me to tears (shush, I'm a girl), but it was nothing compared to the insane stuff that the General has seen.
And gosh, some of it sounds familiar. My beautiful little silver Impreza (I know, blasphemy! In a Charger forum!) got a change of colour to Blue Steel. The BK-wannabes that did it simply sprayed the Blue Steel over the top of my lovingly waxed OEM paint, threw on way too much enamel - on a rice rocket - and called it a day. Any fool and his dog knows that you don't put enamel on Subaru paint because guess what, it goes yellow. :slap:
Oh yeah, then it got stolen...drifted into a kerb...dumped...repaired, then stacked by a garbage truck...
99% fixed and with one half still peeling back to silver, I look at the GL here and have not considered giving up once as a result. So thank you for sharing your adventure, even with its unholy price tag. It reminds those of us with vehicular issues to NOT be pansies and pike out.
Consider me an avid fan of the build...even if I do own two Subarus and live in a country that hardly ever sees a US car, let alone the good stuff :2thumbs:
Welcome to the site Shale. Glad to see you here, but I am wondering how you happened across our family?
Stick with your dreams for your project. It will all be worth it in the long run. Just keep this thread in mind when ever you THINK about having ANYONE ELSE work on your ride.
Again, welcome to the family.... :cheers:
+1
:wave:
Quote from: Steve P. on September 01, 2009, 03:17:23 AM
Welcome to the site Shale. Glad to see you here, but I am wondering how you happened across our family?
Stick with your dreams for your project. It will all be worth it in the long run. Just keep this thread in mind when ever you THINK about having ANYONE ELSE work on your ride.
Again, welcome to the family.... :cheers:
Thanks :icon_smile_big:
Quite random as far as jumps go isn't it. I'm a member of many car forums, and the most generic gathers threads from all corners of the automotive universe. If it's not some moron VTAKKing into a tree, it's someone drilling wood screws into chassis rails or covering a beautiful old car in a half-ton of bondo... tell you WHAT, you get a lot of juicy goss from the auto world in the non-specific forums!
This particular build as I said is of particular interest, as I've had my own nightmares. When I discovered the Legacy had been crashed, left to rust and covered in bog (the NZ equivalent of GUESS WHAT), I was thinking...dear god, a little of the General lives on in the Frankenleggy. :slap: In this case it got a re-shell as the chassis rails were up the duff with car cancer, and the whole thing cost me $200. Meh, scrap it. The Impreza had already dealt with enough!
The amount of sheer idiocy removed from this car is offset by the sheer talent that shaved the crap off the poor thing - it's a pity places like this don't exactly exist in this area of the world! Never heard of a shop that does such a good job and boy do we need something like this.
Tell you what it would be great to sit down and have a beer with you guys once this project is fiiiiinally finished...it's just a pity Auckland is so far away. You lot are an awesome, quality bunch! :2thumbs:
That is a very nice General Lee you are making. :drool5:
Quote from: Shale on September 01, 2009, 04:50:11 PM
Quote from: Steve P. on September 01, 2009, 03:17:23 AM
Welcome to the site Shale. Glad to see you here, but I am wondering how you happened across our family?
Stick with your dreams for your project. It will all be worth it in the long run. Just keep this thread in mind when ever you THINK about having ANYONE ELSE work on your ride.
Again, welcome to the family.... :cheers:
Thanks :icon_smile_big:
Quite random as far as jumps go isn't it. I'm a member of many car forums, and the most generic gathers threads from all corners of the automotive universe. If it's not some moron VTAKKing into a tree, it's someone drilling wood screws into chassis rails or covering a beautiful old car in a half-ton of bondo... tell you WHAT, you get a lot of juicy goss from the auto world in the non-specific forums!
This particular build as I said is of particular interest, as I've had my own nightmares. When I discovered the Legacy had been crashed, left to rust and covered in bog (the NZ equivalent of GUESS WHAT), I was thinking...dear god, a little of the General lives on in the Frankenleggy. :slap: In this case it got a re-shell as the chassis rails were up the duff with car cancer, and the whole thing cost me $200. Meh, scrap it. The Impreza had already dealt with enough!
The amount of sheer idiocy removed from this car is offset by the sheer talent that shaved the crap off the poor thing - it's a pity places like this don't exactly exist in this area of the world! Never heard of a shop that does such a good job and boy do we need something like this.
Tell you what it would be great to sit down and have a beer with you guys once this project is fiiiiinally finished...it's just a pity Auckland is so far away. You lot are an awesome, quality bunch! :2thumbs:
Shale, first off, thank you for joining :cheers: . Second, thanks for taking the time to share your thoughts and comments. It sure has been one Hell of a ride, that fortunately is coming to an end some time soon. I'm glad word of this build has made it to your neck of the woods. The more it's spread, the better, but most important it means this thread/forum is doing it's job warning other potential buyers of shops like BK Auto. They are out there waiting for their next victim.
I gotta say, I'll never walk into an auto parts store and look at a can of Bondo without getting the chills again though. :lol:
Stick around, you're about to see the best part of the build --- The finale!! The "victory lap" articles, videos and loads more...
Quote from: 69ChargersRule on September 01, 2009, 06:13:09 PM
That is a very nice General Lee you are making. :drool5:
Thank you. I wish "I" was building it... I'm simply funding it. The true genius is supplied by the guys at the shop. :cheers: :cheers:
Everyone will be happy (that noticed) the alignment issues. The nose has been aligned and all is well in General Lee land.. I guess I'm in for a couple of surprises this weekend. I can't wait to see it!!
Quote from: Steve P. on September 01, 2009, 03:17:23 AM
Welcome to the site Shale. Glad to see you here, but I am wondering how you happened across our family?
Stick with your dreams for your project. It will all be worth it in the long run. Just keep this thread in mind when ever you THINK about having ANYONE ELSE work on your ride.
Again, welcome to the family.... :cheers:
Steve, I couldn't have said that any better if I tried. That's what this monster of a thread is really all about... From day one.
One last tidbit of useless info that won't change the way you dress tomorrow.... This past Sunday was my one year anniversary to the date I drove to Maryland and this whole saga began.. :o
Jesus..... Did you celebrate with a sharp stick in your eye?? ::) Good thing there is a present day... :2thumbs:
This thread is the reason i avoided some other shops i had in mind. You think one is good and it turns out to be crap.
Im 20, college, and full time working...if this ever happened to me i seriously think it would be the end of this hobby for myself for a long long time. I couldnt stand seeing that and thats the reason why ill drive 4 hours out of NY to get my car done.
Yes i feel sorry for jeff that he had to do all this, but id seriously owe him one....if it wasnt for his mishap or him not posting here i might have been in the same boat.
And guys, the car looks AMAZING up close and personal. Pics dont do justice.
Quote from: Steve P. on September 01, 2009, 09:41:57 PM
Jesus..... Did you celebrate with a sharp stick in your eye?? ::) Good thing there is a present day... :2thumbs:
Eloquently put as always Steve.
Glad to see the car is still coming along at a good pace Jeff... :cheers:
Quote from: Go Hogs Go on August 29, 2009, 03:44:43 PM
Neither of the tail lights on my 69 have a gray stripe. I guess I've been running 70's for all this time and never had a clue :-\
Not to dig up old posts....but mine has the grey stripes!!! '69.....I remember I had to touch up paint a small portion of my passenger side as the paint was faded out.
Looking forward to the finished GL it's been a long hard road for you and glad you found the right shop to do the work! Welcome Shale it's a good group here.
Quote from: chargergirl on September 03, 2009, 06:59:57 AM
Looking forward to the finished GL it's been a long hard road for you and glad you found the right shop to do the work! Welcome Shale it's a good group here.
Thank you! I am too, believe me :cheers: :cheers:
Quote from: FLG on September 01, 2009, 10:33:33 PM
This thread is the reason i avoided some other shops i had in mind. You think one is good and it turns out to be crap.
Im 20, college, and full time working...if this ever happened to me i seriously think it would be the end of this hobby for myself for a long long time. I couldnt stand seeing that and thats the reason why ill drive 4 hours out of NY to get my car done.
Yes i feel sorry for jeff that he had to do all this, but id seriously owe him one....if it wasnt for his mishap or him not posting here i might have been in the same boat.
And guys, the car looks AMAZING up close and personal. Pics dont do justice.
Frank -- You definitely made the right choice and will be very happy!!
Quote from: captnsim on September 01, 2009, 11:27:54 PM
Quote from: Steve P. on September 01, 2009, 09:41:57 PM
Jesus..... Did you celebrate with a sharp stick in your eye?? ::) Good thing there is a present day... :2thumbs:
Eloquently put as always Steve.
Glad to see the car is still coming along at a good pace Jeff... :cheers:
Thanks man!! :cheers:
Quote from: Steve P. on September 01, 2009, 09:41:57 PM
Jesus..... Did you celebrate with a sharp stick in your eye?? ::) Good thing there is a present day... :2thumbs:
I thought about it, but decided to let the "anniversary" go by without a visit to the ER. :2thumbs:
Quote from: FLG on September 01, 2009, 10:33:33 PM
This thread is the reason i avoided some other shops i had in mind. You think one is good and it turns out to be crap.
Im 20, college, and full time working...if this ever happened to me i seriously think it would be the end of this hobby for myself for a long long time. I couldnt stand seeing that and thats the reason why ill drive 4 hours out of NY to get my car done.
Yes i feel sorry for jeff that he had to do all this, but id seriously owe him one....if it wasnt for his mishap or him not posting here i might have been in the same boat.
And guys, the car looks AMAZING up close and personal. Pics dont do justice.
Hey I saw your car at the shop this morning, They are doing a great job on the floors etc... Thats quite a ride to find a good shop. I guess I am spoiled LOL
Jeff are you ok???? I hope your ok! Its Saturday and its 10 pm and I see no new pics I need my fix man come on I neeeed my fixxxx :eek2:
Long weekend... I'll go out on a limb and say he is vacationing with his family off station. In other words he won't be posting pics til he gets home from camp.
:icon_smile_big:
Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!! LOL well if thats so Jeff have a great weekend! Hurry home with pics!
Jeff might have some pics. I know he wasnt able to get any of mine because it was somewhere else getting sub-frame conn's done. As for his car, i think he might have taken some.
I have Lots of new pics. The pushbar is on and came out awesome. It looks like jewelry on the front of the car. The entire nose is adjusted and looks incredible. The rest of the chrome trim is on the car, and the headliner is finished. I took a new Walk-around video for the series, too.
Frank is right, his car was at jons and I didn't get to see it, but from what I hear the sf connectors are a work of art. I hope to see them on Monday on my way home. If so I'll grab lots of pictures.
Chris. We ARE spoiled. I complain about the 45 minute ride and here's frank taking a 4+ HOUR ride.
Jeff,
Did you ever find/track down the owner of the TA from BK's site?
Frank
Quote from: dstryr on September 07, 2009, 03:21:15 AM
Jeff,
Did you ever find/track down the owner of the TA from BK's site?
Frank
Yes and no. I know who it is and am waiting for a response from him. :cheers:
I HAVE RETURNED from the long weekend away!!
Before posting any videos/pictures I'd like to give a huge THANK YOU to Bill440 for the secondary hood latch he sold me. It's mint and on the car. Thanks for the tech advice, too, Bill!!
After a bit of cleanup & paint:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_7046Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_7047Medium.jpg)
More pictures to follow...
And here's this week's walk-around video. Progress includes, but is not limited to:
1. nose alignment
2. push bar (sanded/painted to perfection - this thing looks like jewelry!!) installed
3. headliner finished (glass can finally go in!)
4. chrome trim all installed
5. R/T emblem on tail panel installed (correctly this time, not pushed into place and bent tabs to hold it!)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWQhbSApoRE
Not a lot of pictures this week... I had a busy schedule and didn't have a ton of time.. But here goes:
Nose shot... There was actually another hour of adjusting AFTER this show was taken, but I didn't take any more pictures. Remember here, these are NOT OEM panels, they are AMD, so they are not ever going to be 100% perfect.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6957Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6959Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6960Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6965Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6970Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6971Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6972Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6978Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6979Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6981Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6982Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6983Medium.jpg)
Quote from: jb666 on September 03, 2009, 09:32:14 PM
Quote from: chargergirl on September 03, 2009, 06:59:57 AM
Looking forward to the finished GL it's been a long hard road for you and glad you found the right shop to do the work! Welcome Shale it's a good group here.
Thank you! I am too, believe me :cheers: :cheers:
Quote from: FLG on September 01, 2009, 10:33:33 PM
This thread is the reason i avoided some other shops i had in mind. You think one is good and it turns out to be crap.
Im 20, college, and full time working...if this ever happened to me i seriously think it would be the end of this hobby for myself for a long long time. I couldn't stand seeing that and that's the reason why ill drive 4 hours out of NY to get my car done.
Yes i feel sorry for jeff that he had to do all this, but id seriously owe him one....if it wasnt for his mishap or him not posting here i might have been in the same boat.
And guys, the car looks AMAZING up close and personal. Pics dont do justice.
Frank -- You definitely made the right choice and will be very happy!!
Quote from: captnsim on September 01, 2009, 11:27:54 PM
Quote from: Steve P. on September 01, 2009, 09:41:57 PM
Jesus..... Did you celebrate with a sharp stick in your eye?? ::) Good thing there is a present day... :2thumbs:
Eloquently put as always Steve.
Glad to see the car is still coming along at a good pace Jeff... :cheers:
Thanks man!! :cheers:
Quote from: Steve P. on September 01, 2009, 09:41:57 PM
Jesus..... Did you celebrate with a sharp stick in your eye?? ::) Good thing there is a present day... :2thumbs:
I thought about it, but decided to let the "anniversary" go by without a visit to the ER. :2thumbs:
You KNOW we need a bit of comic relief around here sometimes....
Captnsim: Yes, I have been told I have a very SPECIAL way with words. Hahaha... Glad you liked it.. I giggled for a while after posting that myself... :D
Hey Jeff, first off the General looks awesome! But I see your comment about the AMD parts, and let me say that anyone that really knows how cars of this era were built knows that the fit and finish was not all that great. Sure there were some that were nice, but for the most part you had cars with huge panels being assembled by humans not robots like today. These are not Lexus' they are Big cars and I can pretty much assure your panels fit better than new! so don't worry about it. ttyl Chris
Thanks Chris. As you've seen, theres always someone who could do it better. Faster. Cleaner. Cheaper. Less repro parts. A different color.... Etc. I'm happier than Hell with THIS job exactly as it is.
I gotta say Jeff...I think the panel alignment on your car look awesome in the pics!!! Nice clean transition lines from quarter, door, to fender. Nice even gap's on the hood, trunk, and doors. The front bumper is centered very well between the grill and valance....the push bar...roll bar...
It's just amazing...that's all I got to say. I'm still having a hard time believing it's the same car I saw months ago...It looks so good now.
You can tell someone spent some time making it look right. :2thumbs:
Thanks! I know it's a bit of a hike for you, but since you saw it at jons shop, in rough shape, I'd LOVE for you to see it now. I tell you what, if you come down I'll GIVE YOU one of the rear quarters from the car. I mean, that's gotta be worth it???
:bow: :drool5: :drool5: :bow:
I saw the pictures you posted on Facebook and had to come to the thread to see bigger versions :icon_smile_big:
Quote from: 69bronzeT5 on September 07, 2009, 08:52:45 PM
:bow: :drool5: :drool5: :bow:
I saw the pictures you posted on Facebook and had to come to the thread to see bigger versions :icon_smile_big:
Yeah, I post pictures there first, because I can upload pictures/video directly from my IPhone to my FB page, so you see it there first.. The video quality from the IPhone 3Gs is really good, considering!!
Today, THE GLASS IS GOING IN THE CAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This is a huge step (to me) in the car being complete... I almost hate to admit it though, but once the car is done my Saturdays are going to have a huge void!! I might actually have to drive the car!! :nana:
You will just end up spending your extra time polishing the General for car shows.
Then there will be all of the wasted time of collecting trophies.
Have you talked to your local news people yet about your story and unvailing the car to the public?
Quote from: jb666 on September 09, 2009, 12:23:57 PM
Today, THE GLASS IS GOING IN THE CAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This is a huge step (to me) in the car being complete... I almost hate to admit it though, but once the car is done my Saturdays are going to have a huge void!! I might actually have to drive the car!! :nana:
:D well... isn't that the WHOLE idea? :smilielol:
oh man, those panels look like crap.......99.9999% alignment is horrible. i cant beleive you actually posted these pictures.... so hideous looking............. :rofl: :smilielol: :lol: :nana:
Quote from: c00nhunterjoe on September 09, 2009, 05:51:27 PM
oh man, those panels look like crap.......99.9999% alignment is horrible. i cant beleive you actually posted these pictures.... so hideous looking............. :rofl: :smilielol: :lol: :nana:
:D yea, I agree with you on that one bud :smilielol:
Quote from: ChgrSteve67 on September 09, 2009, 03:07:10 PM
You will just end up spending your extra time polishing the General for car shows.
Then there will be all of the wasted time of collecting trophies.
Have you talked to your local news people yet about your story and unvailing the car to the public?
Well, I have a couple of tricks up my sleeve, but news people.. Hmmm... That's a good idea, I will look into that ASAP!!!! :popcrn:
I was kidding.. I'm really looking forward to driving the beast, finally!!!
Quote from: jb666 on September 07, 2009, 08:39:36 PM
Thanks! I know it's a bit of a hike for you, but since you saw it at jons shop, in rough shape, I'd LOVE for you to see it now. I tell you what, if you come down I'll GIVE YOU one of the rear quarters from the car. I mean, that's gotta be worth it???
What are you trying to do...clean out the garage before winter? :nana:
I'd love to come see the old boy, thanks for the invite. Things should start slowing down in a few weeks and I'll have a better idea of when I could make the trip. :cheers:
I would love to have something off the General, If I had the time I would drive down for sure lol.
Quote from: RamchargerMopar on September 10, 2009, 10:40:24 AM
I would love to have something off the General, If I had the time I would drive down for sure lol.
Any time man. There's enough to go around, trust me there.. I'd send you home with a 1/2 of a rear 1/4 for your collection :lol:
Ok guys --- I'm in search of a hard-to-find part... help me out here, please..
Inside the front fender there's a "splash shield". Not the one that's a rubber flap blocking crap from getting into the engine bay and NOT the shield that blocks crap from getting up near the headlights... But, if you're looking at the driver's front fender and turn your head to the right, it's the small vertical shield that keeps crap out of the door hinge area...
Does anyone know if these are available?? I have everything but those... :cheers:
Hard to tell if this is what I'm looking for, by the pic (since I haven't physically SEEN one of these)
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=120464930141&viewitem=&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWAX%3AIT
Small? The one I'm thinking of goes from top to bottom just behind the wheel well. There's also a small one (5" tall?) at the front to keep stuff out of the valence. Both are available.
Troy
Quote from: Troy on September 10, 2009, 11:38:51 AM
Small? The one I'm thinking of goes from top to bottom just behind the wheel well. There's also a small one (5" tall?) at the front to keep stuff out of the valence. Both are available.
Troy
I'm not sure.. The opening is roughly 12" and you can reach in and touch your door hinges.. I've got the shields for the front already (and the holes going to the engine bay).
That ebay link shows the splash shields - they are big. AS Troy mentioned, they pretty much run from top to bottom behind the wheel opening..
Quote from: dodgecharger-fan on September 10, 2009, 11:43:40 AM
That ebay link shows the splash shields - they are big. AS Troy mentioned, they pretty much run from top to bottom behind the wheel opening..
So are you saying those ARE the correct items in the EBay ad? I realize they are going to be large, but I can't tell by the image(or shape) if those are the right shields. I just don't want to end up with the wrong items... And it's not like these are $20 pcs.
Thanks :cheers:
that pic on ebay motors is correct...it goes behind the wheel opening and it has a rubber piece going around it....which is kinda hard to see in the photo....that particular one is the driver side. Goes from the inside of the top of the fender all the way down. Picture is shown sideways......rotate the item one quarter turn counterclockwise, and that is how it would attach....looking at it from the backside (from the door to front of car) :2thumbs:
Quote from: TylerCharger69 on September 10, 2009, 12:18:06 PM
that pic on ebay motors is correct...it goes behind the wheel opening and it has a rubber piece going around it....which is kinda hard to see in the photo....that particular one is the driver side. Goes from the inside of the top of the fender all the way down. Picture is shown sideways......
Excellent, thank you!! :cheers: :cheers:
i modified my post....as a better explanation of the part.......look up.....lol
Perfect, thanks! It figures, this one part is $80+ PER SIDE.. When does it end!! :brickwall:
It ends the same way as most boats. They say: The two happiest days in a boat owners life is the day he bought it and the day he sold it.
Keep at it brother. The end is near...... ;)
Well....as a General Lee owner myself.......It never ends....lol Say!!! got any extra Vectors? I'm looking at offers...a member has a really nice set that I'm planning on getting, but if I can find some cheaper...........well....as you say....when does it end....lol Nice General by the way!!! Sorry it wasn't up to snuff when you first purchased it. some peoples definition of restoration or the famous term "mint" is not what they should be. I was looking through the pages of this topic.....yes all of them....You've really done some work there!!! Good job!!!
Thanks! I'm sure it'll all be worth it the first time I'm out cruising in the car..
I see you have a r/h '70 tail light and a '69 l/h tail light. I have the same thing, but on a '70 Charger. Too bad it wasn't reversed, maybe we could've done some tradin'. Beautiful car BTW.
Quote from: GreenMachine on September 10, 2009, 06:01:47 PM
I see you have a r/h '70 tail light and a '69 l/h tail light. I have the same thing, but on a '70 Charger. Too bad it wasn't reversed, maybe we could've done some tradin'. Beautiful car BTW.
Eh, I knew that all along (ok, maybe not :lol: ) , but it doesn't really bother me.. In due time I'll find the "correct" tail light, but until then I won't let it stop me from hitting the road.
Hmmm 2 right 70 & 2 left 69.
I have both pairs spare,
Yep, left & right 69 + the same
for a 70. Lets see that would
make 1 69 & 3 70 rights +
3 69 & 1 70 lefts amoung us.
I see we are 2 70 owners & 1
69. How would you swap them
around to get everyone the right
parts?
Quote from: BROCK on September 11, 2009, 01:02:49 AM
Hmmm 2 right 70 & 2 left 69.
I have both pairs spare,
Yep, left & right 69 + the same
for a 70. Lets see that would
make 1 69 & 3 70 rights +
3 69 & 1 70 lefts amoung us.
I see we are 2 70 owners & 1
69. How would you swap them
around to get everyone the right
parts?
Still only two matching sets out of the 8 taillights. Only way to help them out would leave your spares mismatched.
(by the way I fried my brain for a sec on that one) LOL
And here we are again.. Another Saturday visit come and gone.. I feel like crap today, so I didn't hang out too long.... But the glass was installed (yesterday) and a couple of other minor details were taken care of (more front end adjustment. It looks beautiful now!!).
Here's a quick (very) video I shot from the top of an 8' step ladder.. The "big" one is coming..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0DS7NKXIcw
Quote from: jb666 on September 10, 2009, 07:52:48 PM
Quote from: GreenMachine on September 10, 2009, 06:01:47 PM
I see you have a r/h '70 tail light and a '69 l/h tail light. I have the same thing, but on a '70 Charger. Too bad it wasn't reversed, maybe we could've done some tradin'. Beautiful car BTW.
Eh, I knew that all along (ok, maybe not :lol: ) , but it doesn't really bother me.. In due time I'll find the "correct" tail light, but until then I won't let it stop me from hitting the road.
Wow, Jeff....I have a R/H '70 taillight and a L/H '69 taillight in mine too!!!! :o
Here's the longer video with a special "tour" of the work area at the end..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obGort9fl6I
way cool
First, I'd like to start out with a few NON GENERAL related pictures, but shots I thought you guys would enjoy.. Here's the Dart that's being converted to a Hemi Dart.. Check out what had to be removed from the rear quarters for this conversion. A LOT of time, documentation and measurements went into this procedure...
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Here's a Pro-Street Mustang that's getting some work finished... The guy that owns this car is one of the nicest people you could meet. He also owns the Green Pro-Street Stang I've posted pics of earlier on..
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Here are a few shots of the booth with some new artwork (Ed Roth, of course!!), and a Charger that y'all might find familiar?
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More coming...
The new secondary latch (thanks again Bill440!!) and main hoop/latch.
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and on to the General... As I said, glass is in, and some adjustments were made.. Other than that, it's all minor details and things that you don't see...
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I LOVE the look of the rear with the glass. It really helps accent the rear body lines...
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Side glass in (all tint removed and glass cleaned up nicely, along with trim/tracking).
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And my normal variety of aerial shots:
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That's it!!
:2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
:drool5: :drool5: :drool5:
:2thumbs:
So, what's the estimated completion date?
I'm hoping over the course of the next 2 weeks, but I can't say for sure. It's like building a house (to me). Everything looks ready to "move in", but all of the small details/finish work hold you up. I thought the spending on this thing was done, but all of the small items sure can add up... Splash shields, trim, latches, etc...
Looking fantastic brother. They sure have quite the lineup of rods in their shop. It's like a candy store for gear heads. :2thumbs:
I love what they have done with the engine bay and new suspension on the Mustang. There's an article all on it's own. Getting rid of the shock towers is HUGE.....
Quote from: Steve P. on September 13, 2009, 12:54:05 PM
Looking fantastic brother. They sure have quite the lineup of rods in their shop. It's like a candy store for gear heads. :2thumbs:
I love what they have done with the engine bay and new suspension on the Mustang. There's an article all on it's own. Getting rid of the shock towers is HUGE.....
Jon did the engine bay/suspension mods.. Came out awesome, too! This car's going to be killer..
This shop is great -- Sort of like being at Jon's shop, too... Definitely a candy store!!!!!!!!!!
Car guys crack! He's done and in the nickel dime stage! Good for you HE is Gorgeous!
Looks AWESOME Jeff! Cheers man! Let me and Frankie know when you wanna make your way down to NYC! :cheers:
Quote from: teamroth on September 14, 2009, 11:29:29 AM
Looks AWESOME Jeff! Cheers man! Let me and Frankie know when you wanna make your way down to NYC! :cheers:
Thanks man!! I will let you know.. But the only way that's gonna happen is if it's being trailered.. The way it's geared I won't be making any long trips... I need to recoup after the past year :lol:
Quote from: chargergirl on September 14, 2009, 07:37:23 AM
Car guys crack! He's done and in the nickel dime stage! Good for you HE is Gorgeous!
Thank you! :cheers: :cheers:
So, when are you bringing it home, Is it done yet :scratchchin: LEON.
Quote from: hemi-hampton on September 18, 2009, 05:58:52 PM
So, when are you bringing it home, Is it done yet :scratchchin: LEON.
Hi --- I'll know more today when I head to the shop... I know it's very close!!
:cheers:
I know I'm anxious for it to be done. I can't imagine how your feeling now with the car so close.
Im on pins and needles how did it go? Got pics ? Whats going on???
I need my pics fix!!!
Hey guys... Not a TON to report, but the car is probably about a week from being complete!! The glass is 100% installed. Trim is all restored/polished (what wasn't replaced with new). The rear trim is almost done, but I showed up for pictures a bit early. The glass was all cleaned up and looks super. There isn't much left. Carpet, seats, panels and that's it!!!
Here's a quick walk-around, then I'll post the pictures... I've got a bunch of shows lined up once the car hits the streets, but first I'd like to log a few miles since the car hasn't been DRIVEN since it was 100% taken apart... But I think every detail of the car looks stunning. It (to me) doesn't look real, like it's a model that can actually be used!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLvvGnxpWDY
I'll be back.
I'm excited for ya buddy. I never seem to finish a car before it gets sold, so I can't imagine the feeling. I know the monster ups and downs you've been through on this build/re-build and that I think brings a tear to most of our eyes.
The time is near when you take your baby out for that first "REAL" "ear to ear" smile busting ride. Just get use to the car before your itchy right foot starts pointing too hard toward the motor and remember that we are all going on this ride with you.... SO BE CAREFUL!!!! ;)
I can't wait to see the report from your better half about how long it took for you to wipe off the initial smile...... :2thumbs:
Thanks Steve!! I'm sure I'll be smiling for a while after getting it back in my possession. It's been a long journey, that's for sure...
Here are a few shots showing the glass, trim and mirrors on the car...
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Then, the guys at the shop next door were having some "dukes fun", as they put it. They had a Crown Vic that was donated to the shop to be used for a demolition derby.. They decided, instead, to take it out back and jump it on the small motocross track they've built.. It was awesome watching the car fly 3-4' into the air and land..
They even put an '01' on the doors to make it suitable for the occasion!!
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And I thought the fun was over here (the car had just driven UP a steep hill and couldn't make it over the top)
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Thanks for checking out the pics!!!
Here's a quick video the wife shot while we were at the shop today, on her IPhone 3Gs. Pretty impressive quality for a phone...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RzgSbPVFRA
You know, I was talking to afew of my old friends the order day, one of them mention about a charger restro that was kinda like making a recorded. I ask the friend really, and he said it was a BK car that was on the net on a charger forum that some guy was turning into a sweet Dukes car. I was :o when he told me and he ask me to check it out and I told him I knew all about it already :lol: as I was on that very forum myself. The friend is a lurker, but I ask him to join up here and post also, I don't know if he will or not but he sure loves your car though. :cheers:
Heck man, you car is kinda out doing Lee1 in a way. :lol:
Quote from: MoparManJim on September 20, 2009, 02:48:27 PM
You know, I was talking to afew of my old friends the order day, one of them mention about a charger restro that was kinda like making a recorded. I ask the friend really, and he said it was a BK car that was on the net on a charger forum that some guy was turning into a sweet Dukes car. I was :o when he told me and he ask me to check it out and I told him I knew all about it already :lol: as I was on that very forum myself. The friend is a lurker, but I ask him to join up here and post also, I don't know if he will or not but he sure loves your car though. :cheers:
Heck man, you car is kinda out doing Lee1 in a way. :lol:
Cool story, Jim!! I've had the "BK thread" come up in MANY conversations this summer.. Car shows, auto parts stores, etc... People not knowing it's me.. I like it.
And so it starts...the BK Urban Legend....
Quote from: chargergirl on September 21, 2009, 06:01:56 AM
And so it starts...the BK Urban Legend....
Yeah but this ain't no legend its more like "The BK Horror". Open title shot you see close ups of a rusted charger and you here people talking in a Texas accent and then fade out. we come back and you here power tools and wrenches and then the some one screams...as a can of bondo is opened. extreme close up of the charger and then black out. Then the story picks up on a quiet day and this fella comes along and sees the General Lee peacefully sleeping in the garage. The man inquires about the car knowing not of the horrors and evil hidden below the orange paint and shiny chrome.....
so starts the never ending battle that will take place. The General getting into the mans head, whispering and demanding. as layers and layers of his skin is peeled off the General Demands more driving the man insane begging for it to end but it don't. The General just demands more more more more!!! Sleepless nights and hours on the phone scrounging and hunting dead beat dealers and half wit idiots only slow the progress. "What do I do?!" he screams "WHAT DO IT DO?!?!?!?!?!"And from the corner, "finish me". The General Whispers..."Finish me and together we will have our vengeance".......
Got another update last night.. Things are REALLY wrapping up... The underside of the dash got a good final cleaning (sand) before the carpet goes down.. One of the resident shop gurus rebuilt the mechanical portion of my seats (neither would ever move the way they were put together). The (inside) rear window trim is on , the rear package tray is finished/on (cut around roll bar & sanded smooth). Tonight , with any luck the carpet will be in (was a bit tricky because of the aftermarket shifter & roll bar). This is going to look amazing, and with any luck I might actually see my first show this Friday!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:popcrn:
FAN-TAS-TIC......................... :cheers:
That is great news Jeff. Glad to see this chapter in the life of your General is coming to a close so you can start a new and exciting chapter. Can't wait to see pics of you enjoying the car at car shows and just plain cruising.
Quote from: General_01 on September 22, 2009, 07:35:21 PM
That is great news Jeff. Glad to see this chapter in the life of your General is coming to a close so you can start a new and exciting chapter. Can't wait to see pics of you enjoying the car at car shows and just plain cruising.
You know, it's exciting even READING that... So yeah, you'll be seeing lots of pictures!!
hey Jeff, Don't forget to have a reputable shop inspect the car. You wouldn't want anything to fall off or break now would you? :smilielol: :smilielol:
Car is looking fantastic!!!
Quote from: scatpack69 on September 22, 2009, 08:36:24 PM
hey Jeff, Don't forget to have a reputable shop inspect the car. You wouldn't want anything to fall off or break now would you? :smilielol: :smilielol:
Car is looking fantastic!!!
You know, you are about a year too late with your advice!!!!!!!!!!! :rofl:
Quote from: jb666 on September 22, 2009, 08:59:41 PM
Quote from: scatpack69 on September 22, 2009, 08:36:24 PM
hey Jeff, Don't forget to have a reputable shop inspect the car. You wouldn't want anything to fall off or break now would you? :smilielol: :smilielol:
Car is looking fantastic!!!
You know, you are about a year too late with your advice!!!!!!!!!!! :rofl:
:smilielol: :smilielol:
Quote from: jb666 on September 22, 2009, 05:07:05 PM
Got another update last night.. Things are REALLY wrapping up... The underside of the dash got a good final cleaning (sand) before the carpet goes down.. One of the resident shop gurus rebuilt the mechanical portion of my seats (neither would ever move the way they were put together). The (inside) rear window trim is on , the rear package tray is finished/on (cut around roll bar & sanded smooth). Tonight , with any luck the carpet will be in (was a bit tricky because of the aftermarket shifter & roll bar). This is going to look amazing, and with any luck I might actually see my first show this Friday!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:popcrn:
Since I am just up the street in Taunton. Let us know if you do go to a show on Friday. I'd love to check this beast out first hand.
Wow, great news Jeff. Hope it happens for you brother! :2thumbs:
I SOOOO wanna see a large amount of pictures of your car, and video!! :2thumbs:
I'm soo giddy, I think I just pee'd alittle!!
:cheers:
Quote from: Bluestar on September 23, 2009, 12:55:13 PM
Quote from: jb666 on September 22, 2009, 05:07:05 PM
Got another update last night.. Things are REALLY wrapping up... The underside of the dash got a good final cleaning (sand) before the carpet goes down.. One of the resident shop gurus rebuilt the mechanical portion of my seats (neither would ever move the way they were put together). The (inside) rear window trim is on , the rear package tray is finished/on (cut around roll bar & sanded smooth). Tonight , with any luck the carpet will be in (was a bit tricky because of the aftermarket shifter & roll bar). This is going to look amazing, and with any luck I might actually see my first show this Friday!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:popcrn:
Since I am just up the street in Taunton. Let us know if you do go to a show on Friday. I'd love to check this beast out first hand.
It's looking REALLY good for Friday night.. I'll be at Gillette tomorrow night (not with the car though). I'd love it if a few from the forum could make it by and check out the job done.
Quote from: bigred68 on September 23, 2009, 04:20:12 PM
I SOOOO wanna see a large amount of pictures of your car, and video!! :2thumbs:
I'm soo giddy, I think I just pee'd alittle!!
:cheers:
If nothing else, in the past year, you've probably learned I'm a huge photo/video whore... So you can count on that one!!
Quote from: mikepmcs on September 23, 2009, 03:53:19 PM
Wow, great news Jeff. Hope it happens for you brother! :2thumbs:
Thanks Mike!! Any chance you can make it down for the big unveiling?? And guess what??? Chuck spent the past couple of nights working on my interior. It's ALMOST DONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Between him and the big guy, the past week has been very productive!!!!!! I can't wait to see it...
And I got word from Jon that he finished the "custom" work on my new Hemi valve covers.. These things are gonna look awesome (and clear my rockers!)under there!!!!!!!!!!
Well Jeff ...after all you've put us through we'd better see a video of the General in action soon !!
And you know what type of video we're expecting....
Somthing with a Smokey Ending.
Good luck with ther Charger Jeff, It was certainly a pleasure to see it all come together !
Ron
Awesome news Jeff. Remeber to check your oil in that big Hemi! :drive:
Quote from: jb666 on September 23, 2009, 07:00:32 PM
Thanks Mike!! Any chance you can make it down for the big unveiling?? And guess what??? Chuck spent the past couple of nights working on my interior. It's ALMOST DONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Between him and the big guy, the past week has been very productive!!!!!! I can't wait to see it...
And I got word from Jon that he finished the "custom" work on my new Hemi valve covers.. These things are gonna look awesome (and clear my rockers!)under there!!!!!!!!!!
Thanks for the invite but I don't think I'll be heading that way this weekend. Looks like you will have enough support from others so that is great. Not big on crowds as you know but I'm sure I'll see it soon enough. Still haven't got hold of Dan yet either. LOL.
Chuck and the man behind the curtain are two in a million, that is for sure. :2thumbs:
I'm very happy it is coming to fruition.
v/r
Mike
Quote from: mikepmcs on September 24, 2009, 03:53:37 PM
Quote from: jb666 on September 23, 2009, 07:00:32 PM
Thanks Mike!! Any chance you can make it down for the big unveiling?? And guess what??? Chuck spent the past couple of nights working on my interior. It's ALMOST DONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Between him and the big guy, the past week has been very productive!!!!!! I can't wait to see it...
And I got word from Jon that he finished the "custom" work on my new Hemi valve covers.. These things are gonna look awesome (and clear my rockers!)under there!!!!!!!!!!
Thanks for the invite but I don't think I'll be heading that way this weekend. Looks like you will have enough support from others so that is great. Not big on crowds as you know but I'm sure I'll see it soon enough. Still haven't got hold of Dan yet either. LOL.
Chuck and the man behind the curtain are two in a million, that is for sure. :2thumbs:
I'm very happy it is coming to fruition.
v/r
Mike
Thanks Mike!!!! :cheers: :cheers:
What ever came about of "BK UT-OH!" ?
Well guys, THE DREAM CAME TRUE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The car saw the light of day today... It ran.. It drove.. It screamed.. It showed!!
The car didn't let down in ANY department.. It HAULS ASS and it looks stunning out in the sun.. I'll have some videos later, but here are a few shots... The car still has a few finishing touches, but the guys busted serious ass getting this thing ready for the show... Anyways, here goes...
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Check out the reflection of the flake in the driver's window:
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More coming later...
Here's a quick shot of business-as-usual at the shop with the General being (almost) done..
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And here are a few of the guys fussing over my car right before bringing it to the show.. Making sure it was all perfect...
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All in all, today was AWESOME. An absolute dream come true.. I had people walking up to me telling me they had followed this car since this thread began.. People I had never met.. VERY cool day. One that I will never forget!!!!!!!!!!!
Simply beautiful :woohoo: :bow:
wow simply amazing car looks great...is that the ride height your going with? or is it going to be lower? congrats to you and your shop for making that frog into a general...!!!! :cheers: :cheers:
:drool5: dang Jeff , that looks awesome out side in the sun :coolgleamA: what a day Eh ! i'm pleased for you Dude after what you have gone through :yesnod: awesome GL for sure :drool5:
Got to feel great having him back and the way you dreamed he would be. :2thumbs: :coolgleamA:
Where was this show you went to?
Car looks awesome.
Quote from: 69bronzeT5 on September 25, 2009, 11:27:25 PM
Simply beautiful :woohoo: :bow:
Thanks!
Quote from: autodynamics on September 26, 2009, 01:50:29 AM
wow simply amazing car looks great...is that the ride height your going with? or is it going to be lower? congrats to you and your shop for making that frog into a general...!!!! :cheers: :cheers:
Thank you. Yes, I'm going to keep the stance here.. When I got the car it had a nice rake with the nose low, but with the oil pan hovering 2.5" off the ground and the headers about the same, I figured it was a matter of time until things started to hit. My area isn't the best for road condition, and my driveway is very steep with a large 'hump' at the top.. So I'm safe this way.
Quote from: tan top on September 26, 2009, 03:20:48 AM
:drool5: dang Jeff , that looks awesome out side in the sun :coolgleamA: what a day Eh ! i'm pleased for you Dude after what you have gone through :yesnod: awesome GL for sure :drool5:
Thank you!! It was a dream come true sitting at the show staring at this car thinking "This is MINE!!"
Quote from: chargergirl on September 26, 2009, 05:21:42 AM
Got to feel great having him back and the way you dreamed he would be. :2thumbs: :coolgleamA:
It sure does!! SURREAL was the word that came to mind all day yesterday... Still does :lol:
Quote from: Bluestar on September 26, 2009, 07:42:44 AM
Where was this show you went to?
Car looks awesome.
The show was on 106 in Halifax, at Wal-Mart. The store has been closed for 7 months being remodeled, so there were no shoppers around, just cars.. Very cool night. I just wish the sun stayed out a bit longer.. My car was in the shade about an hour in...
Now, I thought, for some reason, that I posted these here, but I can't see that I did! They aren't spectacular burnouts, but I don't have line-lock and I generally don't pound on my stuff to the point of frying my rear brakes... Here's my buddy doing a little display for me while I filmed... Just to give you a taste of what (some of) you asked for. The transmission/torque converter are brand new(as you know). It shifts REALLY nice and plants the power to the ground just like I was hoping it would (unlike before when it wouldn't even break the tires loose!!!!!).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBV8SiX4xtY
Sorry this was so shaky , but it was spur of the moment. We were in a crowded industrial park/residential area, so we couldn't go too crazy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cBgo7tu7Ufo
:cheers: :cheers:
Cheers :cheers: Jeff Now all you need to do is lose that Corvette and your other ball will drop. LOL
Enjoy your Charger Jeff , You have certainly earned it ! Hope to see you next season at Carlisle,
Ron :cheers:
:coolgleamA: good videos !! sounds awesome :coolgleamA: :coolgleamA:
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Quote from: Big Sugar on September 26, 2009, 08:19:06 AM
Cheers :cheers: Jeff Now all you need to do is lose that Corvette and your other ball will drop. LOL
Enjoy your Charger Jeff , You have certainly earned it ! Hope to see you next season at Carlisle,
Ron :cheers:
:rofl: You will not believe this, but we decided to sell the Vette.. Now is not the time to sell (why buy just to dump it into storage for the winter), but come Spring it's outa there.......
What's next? Funny you should ask.. Daisy's Roadrunner........ AND NO, I WILL NOT GO BUY THIS NEXT CAR ALONE. Don't worry, there WILL NOT BE A PART II to my idiocy.
Quote from: tan top on September 26, 2009, 08:20:51 AM
:coolgleamA: good videos !! sounds awesome :coolgleamA: :coolgleamA:
:2thumbs:
Thanks! Like I said, they were taken spur of the moment.. They were trying to get me out of there to the show so I'd get a good spot, but I had this one request...
This is a lame video, but I took it just to show how nice the tranny shifted at 1/4 throttle.. Very crisp under normal driving conditions.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9D_zOWdsyoA
Dude, the car looks badass! I love the stance and the wide meats at all four quarners, looks like it wants to run everybody down!
:2thumbs: :drool5:
OK Jeff
Get over it already !
We need some nice Outdoor shots , with a little cloudy sky and a senic backdrop, No Smoke required, Just some nice pictures of the Lee, You can stand in the shot if you really want too, Better yet , Get in the shot , Be good to see your ear to ear Grin while your with the Charger.
I'm sure your cheeks are sore from all that Grinn'in/smiling.
Ron
So is he home now or did you just borrow him for the night??
I haven't posted much on this thread, but have been watching it since it started.
That car is awesome and you done a great job with it :2thumbs:. I know you are thrilled about having it done now. Enjoy it and have fun with it!
Jason
Quote from: jaak on September 26, 2009, 01:32:28 PM
I haven't posted much on this thread, but have been watching it since it started.
That car is awesome and you done a great job with it :2thumbs:. I know you are thrilled about having it done now. Enjoy it and have fun with it!
Jason
Yeah me too.
I like the different takes folks are doing to their General's lately. Kinda breaks up the monotony.
Your Lee's looking good. That motor sounds awesome. Little trick I do with mine. Run it along about 15-20 mph in 1st & then nail it. The ensuing smoke show is always impressive.
Congradulations on getting your GL finished and taking HIM to HIS first car show.
I'm know you will have lots of fun and get lots of attention driving around.
Now its time to get to work on that car show display.
Man that thing not only looks fantastic but it sounds fantastic too! I can just imagine the grin you had on your face while doing those videos. :icon_smile_cool: I hope you plan on Carlisle next year, I want to see it.
Guys, thanks for all of your comments!!! I've been on cloud 9 the past few days. Today was awesome!!!! We found an awesome country setting and took a whole bunch of pics and video. When I get back tomorrow I will post them.
Plus, that tip was right. This thing will horrify the tires at 15-20 mph!!! Impressive power.
I believe the all Mopar show is next Saturday at New England Dragway in Epping. Are you going?
Congrats on seeing this saga through to its happy conclusion. I admire your commitment to getting the car finished. I daresay most of us would have thrown in the towel long ago. Cheers & enjoy.
wow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
Thank you!!!!!! :cheers:
i love the raised stance of the front end, looks great. what bars are you running on it? and what size tires did you put up front?
What a beautiful sight Jeff. I am very happy for you. That car looks great. I am sure you were in heaven finally driving the car down the road. I am very happy that we will NOT have an update thread on your car to check on anymore. Now we will just have a "Jeff and GL show schedule and pics" thread to keep up with. Have fun with that thing. :2thumbs:
Jeff, a job well done bro, I know you didn't have much in the retro job itself, but to all that was part of it :cheers:. You guys didn't kill a charger off because of it's shape it was or being to lazy to do the job. You guys went right through that road block and hammered on that poor charger and got him back into top shape again thanks to what BK had originally done.
But something is also telling me that this story isn't over just yet either just because the car is done, there is still afew things left.
Jeff-
I applaud you for successfully winning the battle of "Car vs. Man". You did it. And what a journey. Thanks for being so transparent and allowing us to ride along with you and share in the pain and now the ultimate victory. This is an awesome time for me and it's not even my car! And through all of this, I feel like I know you, as well as a lot of the guys on here too. The Charger goes beyond the description of amazing. Your guys are in every sense of the word genius.
Give this man a standing "O".
Hope to see you with the car one day soon.
Take care-
-Steve
Awesome JB! I sent you a couple texts yesterday.
Car is fantastic!!
Quote from: c00nhunterjoe on September 26, 2009, 06:43:37 PM
i love the raised stance of the front end, looks great. what bars are you running on it? and what size tires did you put up front?
Thanks! 295's in the rear 255's up front.
Quote from: General_01 on September 26, 2009, 09:47:32 PM
What a beautiful sight Jeff. I am very happy for you. That car looks great. I am sure you were in heaven finally driving the car down the road. I am very happy that we will NOT have an update thread on your car to check on anymore. Now we will just have a "Jeff and GL show schedule and pics" thread to keep up with. Have fun with that thing. :2thumbs:
Thanks!! I AM in heaven. It's incredible, and yesterday was a day I will remember for YEARS to come.. I will definitely have fun with it. After yesterday's cruise I've realized this is going to be a nice reliable vehicle.. The thing runs like a dream.
Quote from: MoparManJim on September 26, 2009, 09:57:55 PM
Jeff, a job well done bro, I know you didn't have much in the retro job itself, but to all that was part of it :cheers:. You guys didn't kill a charger off because of it's shape it was or being to lazy to do the job. You guys went right through that road block and hammered on that poor charger and got him back into top shape again thanks to what BK had originally done.
But something is also telling me that this story isn't over just yet either just because the car is done, there is still afew things left.
You are correct,Jim... Not over yet... now the fun really begins (in print). :cheers:
Quote from: Stanleyart on September 26, 2009, 11:29:51 PM
Jeff-
I applaud you for successfully winning the battle of "Car vs. Man". You did it. And what a journey. Thanks for being so transparent and allowing us to ride along with you and share in the pain and now the ultimate victory. This is an awesome time for me and it's not even my car! And through all of this, I feel like I know you, as well as a lot of the guys on here too. The Charger goes beyond the description of amazing. Your guys are in every sense of the word genius.
Give this man a standing "O".
Hope to see you with the car one day soon.
Take care-
-Steve
Steve -- Thank you for the kind words!! The guys that worked on this, from Jon all the way through the paint/body shop are amazing. Talent like this is something I Never thought I'd be able to afford, but they all proved me wrong. I've seen labor rates at other shops (locally and out of state) and NO ONE can touch what these guys work for. It's these "3" guys that deserve the standing "O". They are my heroes!!
Quote from: mikepmcs on September 27, 2009, 07:46:02 AM
Awesome JB! I sent you a couple texts yesterday.
Car is fantastic!!
Thanks Mike!! You've been a HUGE help through out all of this. Your time/generosity has helped me immensely, and for that, I thank you.. You are one of the great friends I've met/made through out this entire saga.
I have a load of pictures/videos to post. We found some REALLY nice spots yesterday to take pictures, but next week will be the fun photo shoot(s). This weekend I really just wanted to log some driving time. I'll put pics up shortly!! :cheers: :cheers:
We had a bunch of friends asking us to post a video where I hit the horn (not something I do everywhere I go), so she did a quick walk-around and at the end I hit the horn... Here it is:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5uv6pFb5rw
And we're off.... I was driving around trying to find a nice spot with open farmland, but the house/land I wanted to use was having a HUGE party and it wasn't the right time.. So I settled for this, which I was very pleased with, in the end..
The last shot, that I forgot to post, from Friday night's car show.. Like I said, the sun went down an hour after I got there, and the place cleared out early, but it was nice being there either way!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_3604Medium.jpg)
A quick shot taken at the shop before leaving... I liked the reflection..
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/photo2-5.jpg)
The wife took this from her IPhone.. I liked the angle she captured!!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/photo-25.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_3605Medium.jpg)
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(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_3608Medium.jpg)
Sorry for the glare, I still liked these shots...
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_3609Medium.jpg)
Yes, I know the trunk lock cylinder is missing :lol: , It hasn't arrived yet..
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_3610Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_3611Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_3612Medium.jpg)
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I love this one...
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_3615Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_3616Medium.jpg)
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TO BE CONTINUED...
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_3621Medium.jpg)
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This entire time, I've been forgetting to take some interior shots. Just because I knew we'd need access to the back seat , I decided to eliminate the center console , and move the location of the shifter back to better "fit" me. Now I can simply drop my right hand and it falls right on the shifter (thanks for that, Jon! This shifter is AWESOME!!).
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_3630Medium.jpg)
The seats came out great, and the boys did an amazing job installing the carpet with nice clean cuts around the bars!!!!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_3631Medium.jpg)
Back to the outside...
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_3632Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_3633Medium.jpg)
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Videos to follow.....
are the doors welded shut?.. :popcrn:
BTW: so far i like your wifes' cell phone pic the best,.. i know it's small and kinda' grainy but it's really really cool and shows the metalflake off best... I'm sure in time one of the pictures you take will be great and it's all subjective but that cell phone pic ROCKS! :2thumbs:
of the 265,045 pics you've posted it's the first one I've bothered to save.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/photo-25.jpg)
congrats on finally twisting the key and chirping the tires... it is a great feeling I'm sure... :cheers:
Quote from: Brock Samson on September 27, 2009, 11:19:17 AM
are the doors welded shut?.. :popcrn:
:rofl: nope.. I'm not that interested in originality. NOR am I that limber.. No one wants to see me splitting my pants open jumping in/out of my window...
This was the last of my burnout videos.. I just LOVED the sound of the Hemi here...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gtCtVUiwcw
Quote from: Brock Samson on September 27, 2009, 11:19:17 AM
are the doors welded shut?.. :popcrn:
BTW: so far i like your wifes' cell phone pic the best,.. i know it's small and kinda' grainy but it's really really cool and shows the metalflake off best... I'm sure in time one of the pictures you take will be great and it's all subjective but that cell phone pic ROCKS! :2thumbs:
of the 265,045 pics you've posted it's the first one I've bothered to save.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/photo-25.jpg)
congrats on finally twisting the key and chirping the tires... it is a great feeling I'm sure... :cheers:
I agree with you completely!! When I Saw it I said "You know, it's great, an IPHONE shot is nicer than one taken on a high end camera!!". Go figure, but it's all in the angle, and she had it!! I was taking boring pictures yesterday but REALLY just wanted to be behind the wheel...
265,045 pics :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: I love it!!!!!!!! My wife tells me ALL THE TIME "You have more pictures of your cars then the family!". It's so true...
Yep, I'm with you on that. The picture folders on my computer of my Charger & Duster are HUGE :lol: I love the first shot at the car show by the way. Love the reflections and just the overall look in that one :2thumbs:
Quote from: 69bronzeT5 on September 27, 2009, 11:35:56 AM
Yep, I'm with you on that. The picture folders on my computer of my Charger & Duster are HUGE :lol: I love the first shot at the car show by the way. Love the reflections and just the overall look in that one :2thumbs:
It was a good shot.. I don't know why I hadn't posted it before... Definitely a nice reflection.. The sun was on it's way down (quickly) and taking any warm air with it...
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_3604Medium.jpg)
And now, it's time to find a good steering wheel.. I DO NOT like this wheel and/or how it pushes the wheel so far into your chest :lol:
I'm still digging around for the diagram for the vacuum (headlights) system too.. I have ordered a shop manual but it hasn't arrived yet.
Quote from: jb666 on September 27, 2009, 11:44:30 AM
And now, it's time to find a good steering wheel.. I DO NOT like this wheel and/or how it pushes the wheel so far into your chest :lol:
Really? I like it.... :shruggy:
i think a smaller flatter shallower wheel like one of these might be sweet...
(http://www.flamingriver.com/cartimages/cat_sm_122.jpg)
http://www.flamingriver.com/index.cfm/page/ptype=results/Category_ID=122/home_id=122/mode=cat/cat122.htm
if you could get it to match the tan int it would be really cool..
(http://www.flamingriver.com/cartimages/prd_zm_416.jpg)
i checked the momos and though i saw something i liked alot when i was research parts for the BSG i couldn't find it now... I'll keep looking, most their stuff is too europiean ans well as to expensive..
Quote from: 69bronzeT5 on September 27, 2009, 11:49:49 AM
Quote from: jb666 on September 27, 2009, 11:44:30 AM
And now, it's time to find a good steering wheel.. I DO NOT like this wheel and/or how it pushes the wheel so far into your chest :lol:
Really? I like it.... :shruggy:
Well, I'm not that tall (5'11) and with the seat all the way back this wheel is still in my chest... I'd like something "flat", as Brock said in his post... But definitely not something "Euro" looking.
Quote from: jb666 on September 27, 2009, 12:12:22 PM
Quote from: 69bronzeT5 on September 27, 2009, 11:49:49 AM
Quote from: jb666 on September 27, 2009, 11:44:30 AM
And now, it's time to find a good steering wheel.. I DO NOT like this wheel and/or how it pushes the wheel so far into your chest :lol:
Really? I like it.... :shruggy:
Well, I'm not that tall (5'11) and with the seat all the way back this wheel is still in my chest... I'd like something "flat", as Brock said in his post... But definitely not something "Euro" looking.
Maybe a Grant wheel like they used in the '05 Dukes movie?
Quote from: 69bronzeT5 on September 27, 2009, 12:15:56 PM
Quote from: jb666 on September 27, 2009, 12:12:22 PM
Quote from: 69bronzeT5 on September 27, 2009, 11:49:49 AM
Quote from: jb666 on September 27, 2009, 11:44:30 AM
And now, it's time to find a good steering wheel.. I DO NOT like this wheel and/or how it pushes the wheel so far into your chest :lol:
Really? I like it.... :shruggy:
Well, I'm not that tall (5'11) and with the seat all the way back this wheel is still in my chest... I'd like something "flat", as Brock said in his post... But definitely not something "Euro" looking.
Maybe a Grant wheel like they used in the '05 Dukes movie?
That's another option, too..
(http://www.hazzardretreat.com/images/movie_interior.jpg)
Holy cow...Miss a couple days and all the good stuff happens. So happy for you man. Car looks stunning :drool5:
I can't wait to see it in person.
Your probably going to want a 70's Corvette style wheel. They had no dish. Maybe a Grant 794. Anything with a flat dish, and up to 1 1/4 dish will probably work for you. Looks like you have 4 1/2 to 3 1/2 dish on there now.
:2thumbs: :cheers:
Quote from: captnsim on September 27, 2009, 12:51:22 PM
Holy cow...Miss a couple days and all the good stuff happens. So happy for you man. Car looks stunning :drool5:
I can't wait to see it in person.
Your probably going to want a 70's Corvette style wheel. They had no dish. Maybe a Grant 794. Anything with a flat dish, and up to 1 1/4 dish will probably work for you. Looks like you have 4 1/2 to 3 1/2 dish on there now.
:2thumbs: :cheers:
Thanks man!! I can't wait for you to see it in person, either.. You saw it first hand when it was brutal...
This was actually one of the first videos we shot.. I just found it.
Now that the burnouts are out of my system it's time to have some fun cruisin'!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5ukX47V08U
Quote from: jb666 on September 27, 2009, 12:18:31 PM
Quote from: 69bronzeT5 on September 27, 2009, 12:15:56 PM
Quote from: jb666 on September 27, 2009, 12:12:22 PM
Quote from: 69bronzeT5 on September 27, 2009, 11:49:49 AM
Quote from: jb666 on September 27, 2009, 11:44:30 AM
And now, it's time to find a good steering wheel.. I DO NOT like this wheel and/or how it pushes the wheel so far into your chest :lol:
Really? I like it.... :shruggy:
Well, I'm not that tall (5'11) and with the seat all the way back this wheel is still in my chest... I'd like something "flat", as Brock said in his post... But definitely not something "Euro" looking.
Maybe a Grant wheel like they used in the '05 Dukes movie?
That's another option, too..
(http://www.hazzardretreat.com/images/movie_interior.jpg)
I have that exact wheel in mine. Want me to take it off and bring it down so you can check it out on saturday?
Quote from: mikepmcs on September 27, 2009, 03:46:37 PM
Quote from: jb666 on September 27, 2009, 12:18:31 PM
Quote from: 69bronzeT5 on September 27, 2009, 12:15:56 PM
Quote from: jb666 on September 27, 2009, 12:12:22 PM
Quote from: 69bronzeT5 on September 27, 2009, 11:49:49 AM
Quote from: jb666 on September 27, 2009, 11:44:30 AM
And now, it's time to find a good steering wheel.. I DO NOT like this wheel and/or how it pushes the wheel so far into your chest :lol:
Really? I like it.... :shruggy:
Well, I'm not that tall (5'11) and with the seat all the way back this wheel is still in my chest... I'd like something "flat", as Brock said in his post... But definitely not something "Euro" looking.
Maybe a Grant wheel like they used in the '05 Dukes movie?
That's another option, too..
(http://www.hazzardretreat.com/images/movie_interior.jpg)
I have that exact wheel in mine. Want me to take it off and bring it down so you can check it out on saturday?
You would take your wheel off and bring it down to see if I liked it?!?!?! Geeze Mike you really are something!! Sure, that would be awesome!!! Any shots of your interior showing the wheel a bit better than this shot?
Quote from: jb666 on September 27, 2009, 11:44:30 AM
And now, it's time to find a good steering wheel.. I DO NOT like this wheel and/or how it pushes the wheel so far into your chest :lol:
I'm still digging around for the diagram for the vacuum (headlights) system too.. I have ordered a shop manual but it hasn't arrived yet.
It looks like the one I have in mine, I just gotta find someone to restore it.
Jeff
Sent a couple pics to your phone. And of course I'd take it off. It will be the most use that wheel has gotten all summer. :lol:
That vac diag is on this site. I'll do a search.
Courtesy of Chris G(notjust6t9)
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,10158.0.html
and courtesy of Tan Top
the vacuum lines are color coded
yellow/amber ---- stripe to top of the headlight door vacuum actuator
plain no stripe ------ to the bottom of the headlight door actuator
green stripe ----- to the vacuum canister under the battery tray
It's a Grant F/X Wheel Part 737. The correct installation kit from Grant for a 69 Charger is Install Kit 4313
Here's one I found for $133 it looks like. Shop around though. Type in Grant fx wheel.
http://www.myhotmercedes.com/Mercedes_Benz/Grant/Steering_Wheels/Grant_FX_Steering_Wheel/554349
Quote from: mikepmcs on September 27, 2009, 05:13:59 PM
Courtesy of Chris G(notjust6t9)
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,10158.0.html
and courtesy of Tan Top
the vacuum lines are color coded
yellow/amber ---- stripe to top of the headlight door vacuum actuator
plain no stripe ------ to the bottom of the headlight door actuator
green stripe ----- to the vacuum canister under the battery tray
Excellent, thank you Mike!!
Quote from: mikepmcs on September 27, 2009, 05:54:17 PM
It's a Grant F/X Wheel Part 737. The correct installation kit from Grant for a 69 Charger is Install Kit 4313
Here's one I found for $133 it looks like. Shop around though. Type in Grant fx wheel.
http://www.myhotmercedes.com/Mercedes_Benz/Grant/Steering_Wheels/Grant_FX_Steering_Wheel/554349
Again, thanks!!! :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
I just spent some time putting together a short video that spans from day one through yesterday... Kind of funny to sum up a 200 page thread in 6 minute video :lol:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmhkrV4kEYY
I followed this post for so long, and took a break & came back to it. What ever happened to BK ? did they get what was coming to them ? I see so many general Lees on " AUTABUY.COM and they look like the crap BK was selling. I mean there are so many orange Gls on there & I think it is places LIKE BK doing this. A 69 Charger for $12-26,000 & suppossedly completly restored sends up a red flag., So tell me, what ever happened to them ? By the way, Your charger looks OUTSTANDING !!! You invested a LOT of money to get what you wanted & I am happy you have realized your dream. You have a BEAUTIFUL General !!!!
Bert
Quote from: jb666 on September 27, 2009, 08:13:39 PM
I just spent some time putting together a short video that spans from day one through yesterday... Kind of funny to sum up a 200 page thread in 6 minute video :lol:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmhkrV4kEYY
if you could send me your video and picture files I can put together a dvd for you...just putting the offer out there if you like.
Wow, I was gone for 2 days & all this happens & missed the Action. Car looks Great, Congratulations :2thumbs: :2thumbs: LEON.
Is it the steering wheel or the tilt column that's the problem?
Looks like it's tilted mighting high in that interior shot...
Hey
Congrats on the finished product , glad you kept it and had it done right !!! hats off to you !!! ,and the body shop , love the tag HEMIGL .
K.c
Quote from: model maker on September 27, 2009, 08:46:26 PM
I followed this post for so long, and took a break & came back to it. What ever happened to BK ? did they get what was coming to them ? I see so many general Lees on " AUTABUY.COM and they look like the crap BK was selling. I mean there are so many orange Gls on there & I think it is places LIKE BK doing this. A 69 Charger for $12-26,000 & suppossedly completly restored sends up a red flag., So tell me, what ever happened to them ? By the way, Your charger looks OUTSTANDING !!! You invested a LOT of money to get what you wanted & I am happy you have realized your dream. You have a BEAUTIFUL General !!!!
Bert
Thank you, Bert!! And you're right,there's a LOT of scammers out there just waiting for unsuspecting suckers like me.
Quote from: hemi-hampton on September 27, 2009, 11:12:42 PM
Wow, I was gone for 2 days & all this happens & missed the Action. Car looks Great, Congratulations :2thumbs: :2thumbs: LEON.
Thank you Leon!! Coming from you that's quite the compliment!!!
Quote from: Neal_J on September 28, 2009, 01:11:33 AM
Is it the steering wheel or the tilt column that's the problem?
Looks like it's tilted mighting high in that interior shot...
The tilt is up so I can squeeze out between the bar and the wheel. Normally it's down all the way, but, the "new" IDIDIT column that's in the car is 2" closer to the dash then stock..... It's all in the wheel.
Quote from: GL#10 on September 28, 2009, 01:24:16 AM
Hey
Congrats on the finished product , glad you kept it and had it done right !!! hats off to you !!! ,and the body shop , love the tag HEMIGL .
K.c
Wow, thank you, too!!
Quote from: jb666 on September 27, 2009, 08:13:39 PM
I just spent some time putting together a short video that spans from day one through yesterday... Kind of funny to sum up a 200 page thread in 6 minute video :lol:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmhkrV4kEYY
That video brought a tear to my eye. It was like watching a hero being brought back from the dead and ending up better than ever before. What a journey, and that engine sounds awesome. Very strong, 5 stars all the way around. You da man! :2thumbs:
what torsion bars are on it? i have factory big block bars on mine with them cranked all the way up and mine wont sit that high!!!!
Quite the story Jeff. When does the movie come out? =) That body shop did an awesome job on the General. How big a shop is it? How many work there?
Quote from: c00nhunterjoe on September 28, 2009, 10:50:43 AM
what torsion bars are on it? i have factory big block bars on mine with them cranked all the way up and mine wont sit that high!!!!
Do you have them on the correct side? They will fit either way but will only work right when they are on the side they are marked for.
Congrats with finally getting behind the wheel of that beast... :2thumbs:
It turned out just perfect, and you should be proud of what your determination got you..
Btw, don't you have any clearence issues running 255's ud front? What is the backspacing on those rims?
Well the old saying goes a picture is worth a thousand words. Most of you out here from what I am told have only just that to go by. a picture. I saw Jeff's pride and joy Friday night at a local car show and let me say this, there aren't enough words to say what this car is like in person. An absolute thing of beauty. Car is simply stunning in one word. Sadly I wasn't able to hear it ALIVE but seeing it was worth all this time it has been in the shop. Jeff way to go my man. Absolute perfection.
Quote from: Marck on September 28, 2009, 01:12:44 PM
Congrats with finally getting behind the wheel of that beast... :2thumbs:
It turned out just perfect, and you should be proud of what your determination got you..
Btw, don't you have any clearence issues running 255's ud front? What is the backspacing on those rims?
Thanks!!!!!! No clearance issues at all, even when the nose was down in the weeds....
Quote from: lcn187 on September 28, 2009, 01:26:19 PM
Well the old saying goes a picture is worth a thousand words. Most of you out here from what I am told have only just that to go by. a picture. I saw Jeff's pride and joy Friday night at a local car show and let me say this, there aren't enough words to say what this car is like in person. An absolute thing of beauty. Car is simply stunning in one word. Sadly I wasn't able to hear it ALIVE but seeing it was worth all this time it has been in the shop. Jeff way to go my man. Absolute perfection.
Thanks, Jeff!! I'm glad you were able to get by and see the General!!! I know you love this car as much as me!!!
Quote from: Tilar on September 28, 2009, 11:06:11 AM
Quite the story Jeff. When does the movie come out? =) That body shop did an awesome job on the General. How big a shop is it? How many work there?
Quote from: c00nhunterjoe on September 28, 2009, 10:50:43 AM
what torsion bars are on it? i have factory big block bars on mine with them cranked all the way up and mine wont sit that high!!!!
Do you have them on the correct side? They will fit either way but will only work right when they are on the side they are marked for.
The shop is about 1500 sq ft. There are 3 guys working there, each with their own area of perfection. As for the movie, well, I'm working on the media end of things right now :)
I go away for the weekend and missed it all... ;)
Congrats!
Troy
Quote from: Troy on September 28, 2009, 02:37:29 PM
I go away for the weekend and missed it all... ;)
Congrats!
Troy
Not to worry, I've posted 245,007 pictures to summarize every step I took this weekend!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
265,045 + 4 = 265,049 :shruggy:
Quote from: Brock Samson on September 28, 2009, 02:47:19 PM
265,045 + 4 = 265,049 :shruggy:
Sorry man.. I'm a product of public schools.
I was thinking about something earlier, and discussing the facts of the (2nd) build with one of the guys from the shop...
Do you realize that I have less into this, INCLUDING the purchase price of the car from Brian, into this entire build than Brian paid BK (After adding in cost of the drivetrain)??? Pretty scary thought here, and one that should blow Brian's mind... This was after sitting down and adding EVERYTHING up, down to the sand used to blast this thing.
That almost doesn't seem possible considering how thoroughly this car was done this time around!!! :cheers: :cheers:
And if you figure the number of other people that BK have stolen from and continue to rob, that's a lot of profit.
Quote from: Ghoste on September 29, 2009, 12:25:06 PM
And if you figure the number of other poeple that BK have stolen from and continue to rob, that's a lot of profit.
Oh, you'd better believe it. I think less and less about BK AUTO as the days go by.... This thread has served an incredible purpose, it has spread the word. It has shown, in GREAT DETAIL, what type of work you can get done for being "cheap" and only spending $70k on a build.
It's shown me a LOT more than that, but we've already been through all of that :rofl:
haven't been on in a while but I just want to say congrats on seeing this through to the end... :cheers:
and with time to enjoy it a bit before you have to put it up for the winter too :2thumbs:
I'm not too far away either (up in NH)... maybe if the stars align I'll be able to see this thing in person at some point.
if nothing else it's encouraging me to get my own project done and back on the road. :2thumbs:
What is the status of BK ?? have they been prosecuted, run out of business ETC ?
I know there is a GL site somewhere and was wondering if anyone knows if it was linked to there? If this has been mentioned before I goofed. Still on many meds for my back. :P
Quote from: Steve P. on September 29, 2009, 04:22:29 PM
I know there is a GL site somewhere and was wondering if anyone knows if it was linked to there? If this has been mentioned before I goofed. Still on many meds for my back. :P
There is, yes. This topic has come up, but there isn't much action over on that site.
Quote from: model maker on September 29, 2009, 04:21:40 PM
What is the status of BK ?? have they been prosecuted, run out of business ETC ?
I really don't know.. Yet.
Quote from: twistedsymphony on September 29, 2009, 03:39:17 PM
haven't been on in a while but I just want to say congrats on seeing this through to the end... :cheers:
and with time to enjoy it a bit before you have to put it up for the winter too :2thumbs:
I'm not too far away either (up in NH)... maybe if the stars align I'll be able to see this thing in person at some point.
if nothing else it's encouraging me to get my own project done and back on the road. :2thumbs:
That is awesome, thank you!!
I'm video crazy, but I had a request to put up a few "different" pictures in another video really highlighting the devastation.. So here goes nothing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdpNvLJnvLo
:cheers: :cheers:
ha! i just realized you cam to maryland to pick the car up.... what part? i am literaly a stone's throw from md.
Just got back from a week's vacation.....Congratulations!!! The car looks amazing. Huge props for having the patience and determination to see this project through.
Great video.........again Jeff :2thumbs:
Quote from: c00nhunterjoe on September 29, 2009, 09:16:28 PM
ha! i just realized you cam to maryland to pick the car up.... what part? i am literaly a stone's throw from md.
Laurel, MD.
Quote from: KS71owner on September 29, 2009, 10:33:12 PM
Just got back from a week's vacation.....Congratulations!!! The car looks amazing. Huge props for having the patience and determination to see this project through.
Thank you! :cheers:
Quote from: The70RT on September 29, 2009, 11:34:34 PM
Great video.........again Jeff :2thumbs:
Thanks.. I promise I'm done with the videos... (probably) :icon_smile_big:
Awesome brother! If I ever get mine done we will have to go cruising :2thumbs:
Jeff, I'm so glad you got that car finished. You are in inspiration as to what should happen to scammers and how to handle them. Also on how a car should be fixed.
200th page....wow.
200th page, that's got to be a record or something. :yesnod:
I said it once and I'll say it again, this car is making history like Lee1 did, maybe making more history to.
Quote from: MoparManJim on September 30, 2009, 03:00:27 PM
I said it once and I'll say it again, this car is making history like Lee1 did, maybe making more history to.
umm..ok
BTW Jeff congrats on getting the car finally finished!!
Quote from: 69charger2002 on September 30, 2009, 03:55:55 PM
Quote from: MoparManJim on September 30, 2009, 03:00:27 PM
I said it once and I'll say it again, this car is making history like Lee1 did, maybe making more history to.
umm..ok
BTW Jeff congrats on getting the car finally finished!!
Thanks!!! It's an awesome feeling knowing it's sitting there DONE!!!
Quote from: Charger74 on September 30, 2009, 08:53:01 AM
Jeff, I'm so glad you got that car finished. You are in inspiration as to what should happen to scammers and how to handle them. Also on how a car should be fixed.
Very cool of you to say, thank you!! :cheers:
Jeff, we need something like this....I know that car has the power :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MziTC80PMvw
HUGE Congratulations and Commendations on this re-re-build man. Amazing stuff. The shop involved in the remedying of all previous dramas are amazing and your ability to stay with it despite all goings on is also very admirable.
So stoked for you man. Congrats again.
Quote from: 69bronzeT5 on October 01, 2009, 11:46:09 AM
Jeff, we need something like this....I know that car has the power :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MziTC80PMvw
Cool video, but beside my few small wuss burnouts, I'm not too interested in pounding the crap out of my car. But who knows, I may change my mind :lol:
Quote from: kyteler on October 01, 2009, 05:04:05 PM
HUGE Congratulations and Commendations on this re-re-build man. Amazing stuff. The shop involved in the remedying of all previous dramas are amazing and your ability to stay with it despite all goings on is also very admirable.
So stoked for you man. Congrats again.
Thanks, I appreciate it!! Like I said, there were times I wanted to throw in the towel (mostly after the car got back from the sand blasters shop looking like Swiss Cheese), but Chuck wouldn't LET me .. He'd tell me to stay focused, keep my head up and keep going... Had that not been said, I MIGHT HAVE given up.. There were a few times I was REALLY discouraged during this..
The car's heading back to Jon's shop next week. He's going to be making a few adjustments.. Tranny line pressure, battery cut-off switch, and a few other small issues.. So it's made a full circle, back to Jon, then home!! :cheers: :cheers:
Where is ol' Chuck anyway? It seems like he's been a little quite lately. I really miss his big colored font and smile posts.
Quote from: Go Hogs Go on October 02, 2009, 08:14:35 AM
Where is ol' Chuck anyway? It seems like he's been a little quite lately. I really miss his big colored font and smile posts.
I'm hoping he's ok too. I heard that he's in the middle of a move and has lost all communications.. I just hope it's nothing more serious.. He's a Hell of a guy that did some awesome work on my behalf.. I hope he returns..
Wow, must have been one hell of a move! Hopefully he'll pop up soon. I know one thing, if I run into him I hope he's on my side. He's like a lock jawed hound. The job he did for you and the time he spent was nothing short of amazing in my eyes. I wish I knew him when I bought my first GL Charger from Danny in Tennessee. :flame:
Well, I just got back from an awesome cruise in the General... I found a farmhouse with an awesome backdrop for some pictures, and of course I'll be sharing some of them with you guys!!
So, here goes.. Can you see what's been done to the car since my last pictures? I'll bet you can...... Also, I stopped by Jon's shop today.. He's getting the car Monday to tie up a few loose ends.. At the same time he's swapping my valve body to a full manual reverse valve body.. FUN TIMES AHEAD!!
Anyways, enjoy... To those tired of seeing pictures, click BACK now :icon_smile_big:
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I love the old pickup in the trees behind me:
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and the finale shot...
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Quote from: jb666 on October 02, 2009, 02:35:04 PM
Well, I just got back from an awesome cruise in the General... I found a farmhouse with an awesome backdrop for some pictures, and of course I'll be sharing some of them with you guys!!
So, here goes.. Can you see what's been done to the car since my last pictures? I'll bet you can...... Also, I stopped by Jon's shop today.. He's getting the car Monday to tie up a few loose ends.. At the same time he's swapping my valve body to a full manual reverse valve body.. FUN TIMES AHEAD!!
Anyways, enjoy... To those tired of seeing pictures, click BACK now :icon_smile_big:
Gee do you have any more pictures? :icon_smile_wink:
Looks great. :icon_smile_tongue:
Well, considering I took 10 of each angle, I'm sure I could have cut it down by about 20, but I liked them all, and soon the snow will be on the ground and I'll be back to my old silent self... :lol:
I just got word, too, that I'll have an exclusive photo shoot in the next 3 weeks with an official Nascar race car.... Pretty exciting stuff!!!
Jeff,
The car looks magnificent! Nice job on the pictures and diggin' the backdrops, truck, broken fence etc..... You don't need me at all. :2thumbs:
Really looks great, I'm very happy for you.
Mike
Pure awesomeness. Great pictures Jeff! The picture above when you said "I love the old pickup in the trees behind me"....that's my new background :cheers:
Quote from: mikepmcs on October 02, 2009, 05:38:32 PM
Jeff,
The car looks magnificent! Nice job on the pictures and diggin' the backdrops, truck, broken fence etc..... You don't need me at all. :2thumbs:
Really looks great, I'm very happy for you.
Mike
Oh sure I do, Mike!! You have an eye, and some really cool equipment to go along with it!!
Quote from: 69bronzeT5 on October 02, 2009, 05:52:51 PM
Pure awesomeness. Great pictures Jeff! The picture above when you said "I love the old pickup in the trees behind me"....that's my new background :cheers:
Thanks! That's one of my favorites, too.. I just had a slew of 5X7's printed at CVS from today..
I spy a new trunk lock.... :2thumbs:
You Are correct!! :cheers:
Thats a new trunk lock because the owner of the shop can't find the orig. :brickwall: Hello Jeff.
Quote from: drag426 on October 02, 2009, 08:09:09 PM
Thats a new trunk lock because the owner of the shop can't find the orig. :brickwall: Hello Jeff.
:o I... Ummm... Oh...
Nevermind.
:leaving:
Jeff, your car is down right looks very very very very very oh an did I say very good? :icon_smile_big:
But only one down side I can see with the photos you took, the car is not setting in the road like it should be it's off to the side. :slap:
, It should have been in the middle of the road and then it would have look alot better :lol:
Plus one other thing I have notice about your car from others of the same class. Yours look to have much more character to it by how tall it sets up and it leveled out very well and the front end isn't dropping down as like if the torsion bars just gave out. It looks like it is really tough with muscle. The tires sets it off very well. That car even when it's setting still looks like it's going 150mph! This car has a very very nice stanch to it which I like alot.
Quote from: drag426 on October 02, 2009, 08:09:09 PM
Thats a new trunk lock because the owner of the shop can't find the orig. :brickwall:
It's just a lock. Things get lost, it happens! ;)
Quote from: 69bronzeT5 on October 03, 2009, 03:13:06 AM
Quote from: drag426 on October 02, 2009, 08:09:09 PM
Thats a new trunk lock because the owner of the shop can't find the orig. :brickwall:
It's just a lock. Things get lost, it happens! ;)
Yea, it's not like it's the very original one, for all we know BK might have replace that one also. remember what this car went through, so the car is not original anyways so why worry about it for.
When working in a shop, things does ten to get mis place at times by mistake. Jon's shop does alot of work and things in shops like that can easy get mistplace but mist stake.
I been following this thread from the get go so it's not like the whole car is really original :lol:
For $70,000 G's You can build 2 of these cars. I would have took him to court bottom line!!! If it's not a real R/T than you'll never see your investment back. I build General Lee's here that I would have sold you one for $35,000. finished. This is the first General Lee I rebuilt from a 1969 Dodge Charger R/T from California in 1996. I have another that is 70% completed & another going in the paint shop in 2 weeks. Check out the picture of the finished car.
Quote from: 69bronzeT5 on October 03, 2009, 03:13:06 AM
Quote from: drag426 on October 02, 2009, 08:09:09 PM
Thats a new trunk lock because the owner of the shop can't find the orig. :brickwall:
It's just a lock. Things get lost, it happens! ;)
I don't care about ANY of that stuff.. The car has been in a million pcs. I EXPECT things to be misplaced and it doesn't bother me one bit.. These guys have done so much for me , that in the grand scheme of things, it's like a drop of water falling into a lake.. :cheers: :cheers:
I'm sorry to bomb you guys with pictures... I am just overly excited about this thing being almost finished.. Come next week I'll be putting up the FINAL FINISHED NOTHING LEFT shots.. From there, this thread will really quiet down!! :cheers: :cheers:
Quote from: mopar01 on October 03, 2009, 08:42:03 AM
For $70,000 G's You can build 2 of these cars. I would have took him to court bottom line!!! If it's not a real R/T than you'll never see your investment back. I build General Lee's here that I would have sold you one for $35,000. finished. This is the first General Lee I rebuilt from a 1969 Dodge Charger R/T from California in 1996. I have another that is 70% completed & another going in the paint shop in 2 weeks. Check out the picture of the finished car.
And yes, I'm sure you can. Depending on the extent you go to during the build (and who's doing which portion of it), I don't doubt that.. But going head to toe inside and out, $35k just isn't going to happen.. Hans tried pushing a GL on me 18 months ago that had a Black interior and a column shift. I said I wanted TAN guts and a console/floor shift. THE NEXT DAY the car was "converted". How does something like this happen? IT DOESNT unless you're a scammer like he is.. My point is that ANYTHING can be done.. But I can just about promise you that a $35k car would have it's flaws like anything else... Imperfections like a Black interior that I'd HAVE to change... Drivetrain modifications.. Frame/floor work... Subframe connectors. A REAL roll bar..
As for the "took him to court" .. It's not quite the "bottom line", since this car was a tangled web from day one. I'm not the one who paid BK to build this atrocity. The guy who DID should be the one to took him to court... And he's also the one who should be worried about his legal defense when his world comes crashing down.
As for getting my investment back.. That's something that didn't/doesn't even enter my mind when thinking about this car. It's never going anywhere, so re-sale value isn't something that I'm concerned with. I'm not having this build so I can flip it and make a quick buck. If I was, I'd be crying in my bowl of Wheaties, but I'm not. :cheers: :cheers:
BTW, nice job on your build, it looks beautiful! :cheers:
I've been meaning to ask -------- Can someone here please post a picture of the plug in your driver's door panel where the REMOTE MIRROR switch would be?
BK had used a rubber body plug (inside out, painted tan) , and I want to make sure the proper plug goes back in....
Question #2 --- Anyone HAVE ONE they'd like to part with? OR, option #2 is does anyone here have a decent remote mirror they'd like to sell me?
Quote from: jb666 on October 03, 2009, 09:13:29 AM
I've been meaning to ask -------- Can someone here please post a picture of the plug in your driver's door panel where the REMOTE MIRROR switch would be?
BK had used a rubber body plug (inside out, painted tan) , and I want to make sure the proper plug goes back in....
Question #2 --- Anyone HAVE ONE they'd like to part with? OR, option #2 is does anyone here have a decent remote mirror they'd like to sell me?
I strip all my cars to bare metal, take all the parts off the car strip those as well with chemical stripper. I rest assure you that my restoration cars are not rotten to start with. The car you see int he picture was sold in 1999. Which I was the owner & builder. This is a true R/T car from California. I used por-15 for the for the restoration. Plus this car was on rotisserie. Now we are talking that this car was built in 1996. Sold due to Divorse. But This car was purchased in 1995 for only $5500.00 as well. The car was solid which sat in a garage in California amoung 6 other 1968 69 & 70 Dodge Chargers. This car was trailered from California to my location. Right now the car has a new owner which he has installed a 505 horsepower engine. These are the cars I rebuild. I am sorry you had to be taken from a con artist as most of these people on here don't care about doing cars the right way as long as they bring the buck! Here's an idea, I sold this car as you see in the picture without the big engine & less the wheels for $10,000. Now I would wager that this car is better condition than the one you purchased for $70gs..
Quote from: mopar01 on October 03, 2009, 09:32:35 AM
Quote from: jb666 on October 03, 2009, 09:13:29 AM
I've been meaning to ask -------- Can someone here please post a picture of the plug in your driver's door panel where the REMOTE MIRROR switch would be?
BK had used a rubber body plug (inside out, painted tan) , and I want to make sure the proper plug goes back in....
Question #2 --- Anyone HAVE ONE they'd like to part with? OR, option #2 is does anyone here have a decent remote mirror they'd like to sell me?
I strip all my cars to bare metal, take all the parts off the car strip those as well with chemical stripper. I rest assure you that my restoration cars are not rotten to start with. The car you see int he picture was sold in 1999. Which I was the owner & builder. This is a true R/T car from California. I used por-15 for the for the restoration. Plus this car was on rotisserie. Now we are talking that this car was built in 1996. Sold due to Divorse. But This car was purchased in 1995 for only $5500.00 as well. The car was solid which sat in a garage in California amoung 6 other 1968 69 & 70 Dodge Chargers. This car was trailered from California to my location. Right now the car has a new owner which he has installed a 505 horsepower engine. These are the cars I rebuild. I am sorry you had to be taken from a con artist as most of these people on here don't care about doing cars the right way as long as they bring the buck! Here's an idea, I sold this car as you see in the picture without the big engine & less the wheels for $10,000. Now I would wager that this car is better condition than the one you purchased for $70gs..
I'm POSITIVE it is... Except I didn't buy a GL for $70k, Brian did (from BK). :cheers: :cheers:
Sounds like yours are done right :2thumbs:
Quote from: jb666 on October 03, 2009, 09:13:29 AM
I've been meaning to ask -------- Can someone here please post a picture of the plug in your driver's door panel where the REMOTE MIRROR switch would be?
BK had used a rubber body plug (inside out, painted tan) , and I want to make sure the proper plug goes back in....
Question #2 --- Anyone HAVE ONE they'd like to part with? OR, option #2 is does anyone here have a decent remote mirror they'd like to sell me?
pg 89 of this tread... :nana: You can get a remote mirror on Ebay.
Nice pics/vid's Jeff
Quote from: jb666 on October 03, 2009, 09:13:29 AM
I've been meaning to ask -------- Can someone here please post a picture of the plug in your driver's door panel where the REMOTE MIRROR switch would be?
BK had used a rubber body plug (inside out, painted tan) , and I want to make sure the proper plug goes back in....
Question #2 --- Anyone HAVE ONE they'd like to part with? OR, option #2 is does anyone here have a decent remote mirror they'd like to sell me?
Jeff
I have that plug you are looking for. You want me to send it to the shop or to your house?
No need to spend money on a remote mirror.
Mike
Quote from: mopar01 on October 03, 2009, 09:32:35 AM
Quote from: jb666 on October 03, 2009, 09:13:29 AM
I've been meaning to ask -------- Can someone here please post a picture of the plug in your driver's door panel where the REMOTE MIRROR switch would be?
BK had used a rubber body plug (inside out, painted tan) , and I want to make sure the proper plug goes back in....
Question #2 --- Anyone HAVE ONE they'd like to part with? OR, option #2 is does anyone here have a decent remote mirror they'd like to sell me?
I strip all my cars to bare metal, take all the parts off the car strip those as well with chemical stripper. I rest assure you that my restoration cars are not rotten to start with. The car you see int he picture was sold in 1999. Which I was the owner & builder. This is a true R/T car from California. I used por-15 for the for the restoration. Plus this car was on rotisserie. Now we are talking that this car was built in 1996. Sold due to Divorse. But This car was purchased in 1995 for only $5500.00 as well. The car was solid which sat in a garage in California amoung 6 other 1968 69 & 70 Dodge Chargers. This car was trailered from California to my location. Right now the car has a new owner which he has installed a 505 horsepower engine. These are the cars I rebuild. I am sorry you had to be taken from a con artist as most of these people on here don't care about doing cars the right way as long as they bring the buck! Here's an idea, I sold this car as you see in the picture without the big engine & less the wheels for $10,000. Now I would wager that this car is better condition than the one you purchased for $70gs..
You go ahead and start building me REAL 69 R/T's for $35000 rotisserie restored and if they pass Jeffs guys at the shop in Mass.(cause they are the best I've ever seen in person to include Jon, Chuck, Big B and the rest of that crew)) hemi geno's, 1hot68's, and Leon's inspection. I'll order a dozen of them and even give you an extra grand when I sell them for what they are worth fully restored.
Obviously I'm being an a$$hole here. my point is it can't be done and it appears by your statement that you've completed one in 13 years with another almost complete and one near paint. Now if you were to really start pumping them out, eventually you would cut corners and be right where BK is, and some others I will forget to mention on purpose due to this thread being about BK auto and Jeff's journey.
Now if you really are willing to fully restore a 1969 Dodge Charger R/T and sell it for $35k, then I would ask you go ahead and pick up some current articles from the year 2005 on up and take a look at what one of these should go for fully restored like you are claiming you do. Once again, I'm being a jerk but $35k for what you are saying you do to these car is not possible in this day and age and still be able to make ends meet unless you are already Donald Trump and just don't care about money or you are a philanthropist, in which case I applaud you. I think my point is made.
Oh and one more thing, next time please read the entire thread from start to finish before you sh@# all over somebody, thanks. :cheers:
v/r
Mike
enough of this kum bay yah lovefest...let's hear about the next phase of your project jeff!
Revenge, Retribution, Justice!! Am I right to assume that you are not done putting this story out there? Or are you just happy enough that's it's done and willing to let bygones be bygones?
Quote from: mopar01 on October 03, 2009, 08:42:03 AM
For $70,000 G's You can build 2 of these cars. I would have took him to court bottom line!!! If it's not a real R/T than you'll never see your investment back. I build General Lee's here that I would have sold you one for $35,000. finished. This is the first General Lee I rebuilt from a 1969 Dodge Charger R/T from California in 1996. I have another that is 70% completed & another going in the paint shop in 2 weeks. Check out the picture of the finished car.
Dude, I have no idea where the heck you got your info about your door numbers but they are off. ::)
The trim around the side markers for the ones on the show was orange.
The car looks good though.
Quote from: dkn1997 on October 03, 2009, 12:28:31 PM
enough of this kum bay yah lovefest...let's hear about the next phase of your project jeff!
Revenge, Retribution, Justice!! Am I right to assume that you are not done putting this story out there? Or are you just happy enough that's it's done and willing to let bygones be bygones?
Bygones be bygones? Hell no... That's something someone else might do, but I'm far from done... :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
Thanks, Mike!! :cheers: :cheers:
Quote from: captnsim on October 03, 2009, 11:33:21 AM
Quote from: jb666 on October 03, 2009, 09:13:29 AM
I've been meaning to ask -------- Can someone here please post a picture of the plug in your driver's door panel where the REMOTE MIRROR switch would be?
BK had used a rubber body plug (inside out, painted tan) , and I want to make sure the proper plug goes back in....
Question #2 --- Anyone HAVE ONE they'd like to part with? OR, option #2 is does anyone here have a decent remote mirror they'd like to sell me?
pg 89 of this tread... :nana: You can get a remote mirror on Ebay.
Nice pics/vid's Jeff
Thank you!!! :cheers: :cheers:
Mopar01 sez "I strip all my cars to bare metal, take all the parts off the car strip those as well with chemical stripper. I rest assure you that my restoration cars are not rotten to start with. The car you see int he picture was sold in 1999. Which I was the owner & builder. This is a true R/T car from California. I used por-15 for the for the restoration. Plus this car was on rotisserie. Now we are talking that this car was built in 1996. Sold due to Divorse. But This car was purchased in 1995 for only $5500.00 as well. The car was solid which sat in a garage in California amoung 6 other 1968 69 & 70 Dodge Chargers. This car was trailered from California to my location. Right now the car has a new owner which he has installed a 505 horsepower engine. These are the cars I rebuild. I am sorry you had to be taken from a con artist as most of these people on here don't care about doing cars the right way as long as they bring the buck! Here's an idea, I sold this car as you see in the picture without the big engine & less the wheels for $10,000. Now I would wager that this car is better condition than the one you purchased for $70gs.."
SO, You buy a solid rustfree California R/T Charger for $5,500. And after Rotiserrie Restoring it you sell it for $10,000 :scratchchin: This means you pay yourself only $4,500 for all your hardwork to do it right. Not sure that adds up in todays world :scratchchin: :shruggy: LEON.
Leon, he pays himself even less. Remember the materials come out of that $4500 as well. :rofl:
Guys, he lives in ferry land don't take anything he says to heart. Cocaine is a hell of a drug - Rick James :smilielol:
He has his dream, why knock him around about what it cost. Make your car your own no matter the cost.
If we all look what we paid for cars and parts, we would all go nuts.
The alternative is let all the Chargers rust up and get junked.
It's the passion man nothing else matters.
Looks like the best done GL out there to me. :2thumbs:
Quote from: BB1 on October 04, 2009, 11:29:38 AM
He has his dream, why knock him around about what it cost. Make your car your own no matter the cost.
If we all look what we paid for cars and parts, we would all go nuts.
The alternative is let all the Chargers rust up and get junked.
It's the passion man nothing else matters.
Looks like the best done GL out there to me. :2thumbs:
Wow.. Thank you very much!! And believe me, if someone takes the time to read this mega thread from page 1 and thinks that there wasn't a MASSIVE amount of work done to this car and still wants to say they can do it for $35k, so be it.. I know the truth. :cheers: :cheers:
And that's just it, this is MY car.. Unique to an extent, but EXACTLY what I've always wanted, down to the metallic in the paint.. It's 100% ME.. I will cherish this thing for many many many years to come and the amount it cost to make it will never enter my head, because it has no bearing!!
Quote from: BB1 on October 04, 2009, 11:29:38 AM
He has his dream, why knock him around about what it cost. Make your car your own no matter the cost.
If we all look what we paid for cars and parts, we would all go nuts.
The alternative is let all the Chargers rust up and get junked.
It's the passion man nothing else matters.
Looks like the best done GL out there to me. :2thumbs:
I could not agree more...... :cheers:
Thank you for putting up with the bs, I don't think there are to many folks out there that could put up with all you've been through.
That is something to admire.
Now go rip the tires off of it. :drive:
I will follow your orders to a T.. I'll have the car back home next weekend, if everything goes as planned and the rain stays away!! I am really looking forward to it.. Probably more than a 10 year old hyperactive kid looks forward to Santa coming down the chimney on Christmas!!!
Not sure how old this ad is, but I found this while searching around.. Funny, but they were/are using a picture(or two) of my car to advertise "new builds" for sale!!
http://www.moparbroker.com/cars/12/1969-dodge-charger-general-lee-for-sale.htm
Quote from: mikepmcs on October 02, 2009, 05:38:32 PM
Jeff,
The car looks magnificent! Nice job on the pictures and diggin' the backdrops, truck, broken fence etc..... You don't need me at all. :2thumbs:
Really looks great, I'm very happy for you.
Mike
Mike said it....the car looks fantastic ! :iagree:
Jeff, you should be proud and thrilled at the same time :2thumbs:
Ron
Quote from: firefighter3931 on October 04, 2009, 06:33:46 PM
Quote from: mikepmcs on October 02, 2009, 05:38:32 PM
Jeff,
The car looks magnificent! Nice job on the pictures and diggin' the backdrops, truck, broken fence etc..... You don't need me at all. :2thumbs:
Really looks great, I'm very happy for you.
Mike
Mike said it....the car looks fantastic ! :iagree:
Jeff, you should be proud and thrilled at the same time :2thumbs:
Ron
I am, Ron.. Beyond words. This car, being finished, has kept a smile on my face since the Friday night it went to the car show (last weekend). It's a dream come true, for me.. How ironic, one of my biggest nightmares turned into an event like this :lol:
Been following this since the first thread. It's been quite a journey for you Jeff. Sometimes misfortune actually turns out to be something positive in your life that words can't describe. I hope that gives other that may have something negative going on in their lives inspiration to see that, yes, things can change. Way to go!!!!!! :2thumbs:
Cheers :cheers:
Dave
Quote from: 68RRFlyer on October 05, 2009, 08:04:33 AM
Been following this since the first thread. It's been quite a journey for you Jeff. Sometimes misfortune actually turns out to be something positive in your life that words can't describe. I hope that gives other that may have something negative going on in their lives inspiration to see that, yes, things can change. Way to go!!!!!! :2thumbs:
Cheers :cheers:
Dave
Thanks!!! The car's back at Jon's shop, as of yesterday.. He's working some of his finishing touch magic on the car (along with swapping out the valve body). Should be fun!!
Well, this has been a great week!!
The reverse manual valve body is done... Jon did that and a bunch of other things (pics to follow!!). He , as usual, did an awesome job on the car.. It's said to be running amazing (even better than before!!).
The guys at the shop put the new Mopar Tuff Wheel (XV) on today. The wheel that was on it had a huge offset and made it very difficult to get in/out of the car because of the bar.. It's all good now!!
Anyways, I got the call that I've been waiting for.. They want the car to go HOME THIS WEEKEND!!! :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
I'd like to give a huge THANK YOU to Mikepmcs .. The plug you sent me for the door panel (remote mirror plug) is mint! Chuck said to tell you "you are the man!!", and he wanted me to let you know that he ran your envelope through the shredder so your personal details are long gone. :cheers: :cheers:
My Vette's going to be down there in storage for the winter, so it gives me my "excuse" to head down there and visit all the time! (like I NEEDED a reason). My visits to the body shop have been a highlight in my schedule for the past few months, these guys kick ass and I'm proud to call them my friends!! :cheers: :cheers:
Now the real fun begins! :woohoo:
:2thumbs: :cheers: Glad to see this coming to the end. :cheers: SWEEEEEEET!
You know whats funny is BK Auto still has what I think to be a picture of your car on their website as one they "restored". Hopefully its your cause if not that means they shammed someone else too. http://www.bkauto.net/ (http://www.bkauto.net/)
Oh my god and I love the pictures on the site with the front push bar being "leveled" hahahaha
Jeff, I heard you were buying an A-Team van that BK built and getting a mohawk
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Quote from: Dave C on October 07, 2009, 07:33:29 PM
Jeff, I heard you were buying an A-Team van that BK built and getting a mohawk
(http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/7974/mrtcereal2mrtme080411.jpg)
YES! You caught me!!! :icon_smile_blackeye:
Quote from: ZSmithersCharges on October 07, 2009, 07:29:53 PM
You know whats funny is BK Auto still has what I think to be a picture of your car on their website as one they "restored". Hopefully its your cause if not that means they shammed someone else too. http://www.bkauto.net/ (http://www.bkauto.net/)
Oh my god and I love the pictures on the site with the front push bar being "leveled" hahahaha
Yep, it's still up there!
Quote from: skip68 on October 07, 2009, 07:25:40 PM
:2thumbs: :cheers: Glad to see this coming to the end. :cheers: SWEEEEEEET!
Well it's ABOUT TIME you resurfaced!!!! :icon_smile_cool:
Here's a challenge for you. Sum this thread up in 15 words or less. ;D
Quote from: bull on October 07, 2009, 07:49:06 PM
Here's a challenge for you. Sum this thread up in 15 words or less. ;D
Oh man... here's my best shot.
Blind Dumbass buys car, got screwed,gets in too deep, rebuilds, lives happily ever after.
How's that?
Pretty good. :2thumbs:
:2thumbs: :cheers:
Agreed, the fellas at the shop are awesome. You ain't so bad yourself mister! Good things happen to good people.
Bull, I can sum it up in ONE word... ............. UNBELIEVABLE ...........
Quote from: Steve P. on October 07, 2009, 08:41:46 PM
Bull, I can sum it up in ONE word... ............. UNBELIEVABLE ...........
:cheers: Now THAT just about sums it up from beginning to end.
Quote from: mikepmcs on October 07, 2009, 08:03:39 PM
:2thumbs: :cheers:
Agreed, the fellas at the shop are awesome. You ain't so bad yourself mister! Good things happen to good people.
He's always watching, Mike :icon_smile_big:
I was just talking to Jon.. He's funny, he says "I went to pull your car into the shop the other night. It was dark, I got in and though WHAT, NO LIGHTS??, then I remembered OH YEAH, THE DOME LIGHT IS A FIRE HAZARD BECAUSE OF THE ROLL BAR". :rofl:
I'm supposed to be heading by the shop to take the car home tomorrow IF IT DOESN'T RAIN!!!
If it doesn't rain?! what the heck is the car made out of... soap? :o
Quote from: MoparManJim on October 08, 2009, 08:06:51 PM
If it doesn't rain?! what the heck is the car made out of... soap? :o
Ok, first you tell me you let people slide across your hood at car shows, now you want me to drive my freshly restored car (that is spotless right now) in the rain intentionally? What's next, jumping the ditch out behind the shop :rofl:
Ain't gonna happen, bro!!
Quote from: jb666 on October 08, 2009, 08:08:26 PM
Quote from: MoparManJim on October 08, 2009, 08:06:51 PM
If it doesn't rain?! what the heck is the car made out of... soap? :o
Ok, first you tell me you let people slide across your hood at car shows, now you want me to drive my freshly restored car (that is spotless right now) in the rain intentionally? What's next, jumping the ditch out behind the shop :rofl:
Ain't gonna happen, bro!!
I didn't say to let people slide across the hood num skull! :lol:
I just ask wht was your car made out of, I thought it was made out of metal and all was all, didn't know it was made out of soap. :lol:
What are you going to do when you take the car out to a car show and it say starts to rain while you are there? That be just like driving in rain :shruggy: but only setting still though.
Quote from: MoparManJim on October 08, 2009, 08:13:42 PM
Quote from: jb666 on October 08, 2009, 08:08:26 PM
Quote from: MoparManJim on October 08, 2009, 08:06:51 PM
If it doesn't rain?! what the heck is the car made out of... soap? :o
Ok, first you tell me you let people slide across your hood at car shows, now you want me to drive my freshly restored car (that is spotless right now) in the rain intentionally? What's next, jumping the ditch out behind the shop :rofl:
Ain't gonna happen, bro!!
I didn't say to let people slide across the hood num skull! :lol:
I just ask wht was your car made out of, I thought it was made out of metal and all was all, didn't know it was made out of soap. :lol:
What are you going to do when you take the car out to a car show and it say starts to rain while you are there? That be just like driving in rain :shruggy: but only setting still though.
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I love lamp !
Quote from: skip68 on October 08, 2009, 08:24:30 PM
I love lamp !
CHUCK HAS RETURNED!! Life has been dull in your absence. You've been missing since what... Page 155?
Quote from: MoparManJim on October 08, 2009, 08:13:42 PM
Quote from: jb666 on October 08, 2009, 08:08:26 PM
Quote from: MoparManJim on October 08, 2009, 08:06:51 PM
If it doesn't rain?! what the heck is the car made out of... soap? :o
Ok, first you tell me you let people slide across your hood at car shows, now you want me to drive my freshly restored car (that is spotless right now) in the rain intentionally? What's next, jumping the ditch out behind the shop :rofl:
Ain't gonna happen, bro!!
I didn't say to let people slide across the hood num skull! :lol:
I just ask wht was your car made out of, I thought it was made out of metal and all was all, didn't know it was made out of soap. :lol:
What are you going to do when you take the car out to a car show and it say starts to rain while you are there? That be just like driving in rain :shruggy: but only setting still though.
There is a big differance between a car geting wet sitting in the rainand driving on a dirty sloppy roadway. The dirty crap gets everywhere.
Its not about the car melting...Its about the week it takes to clean it back up!
Quote from: 1HotDaytona on October 08, 2009, 08:34:03 PM
Quote from: MoparManJim on October 08, 2009, 08:13:42 PM
Quote from: jb666 on October 08, 2009, 08:08:26 PM
Quote from: MoparManJim on October 08, 2009, 08:06:51 PM
If it doesn't rain?! what the heck is the car made out of... soap? :o
Ok, first you tell me you let people slide across your hood at car shows, now you want me to drive my freshly restored car (that is spotless right now) in the rain intentionally? What's next, jumping the ditch out behind the shop :rofl:
Ain't gonna happen, bro!!
I didn't say to let people slide across the hood num skull! :lol:
I just ask wht was your car made out of, I thought it was made out of metal and all was all, didn't know it was made out of soap. :lol:
What are you going to do when you take the car out to a car show and it say starts to rain while you are there? That be just like driving in rain :shruggy: but only setting still though.
There is a big differance between a car geting wet sitting in the rainand driving on a dirty sloppy roadway. The dirty crap gets everywhere.
Its not about the car melting...Its about the week it takes to clean it back up!
No offense but isn't that our hobby? You fix it it breaks you clean it up it gets dirty. You perfect it one day and the next its completely out of whack and your back to square one :D I think men are so amused with women because they can never fully figure them out, I also believe this is the same reason we are so amused with cars.
Quote from: 1HotDaytona on October 08, 2009, 08:34:03 PM
Quote from: MoparManJim on October 08, 2009, 08:13:42 PM
Quote from: jb666 on October 08, 2009, 08:08:26 PM
Quote from: MoparManJim on October 08, 2009, 08:06:51 PM
If it doesn't rain?! what the heck is the car made out of... soap? :o
Ok, first you tell me you let people slide across your hood at car shows, now you want me to drive my freshly restored car (that is spotless right now) in the rain intentionally? What's next, jumping the ditch out behind the shop :rofl:
Ain't gonna happen, bro!!
I didn't say to let people slide across the hood num skull! :lol:
I just ask wht was your car made out of, I thought it was made out of metal and all was all, didn't know it was made out of soap. :lol:
What are you going to do when you take the car out to a car show and it say starts to rain while you are there? That be just like driving in rain :shruggy: but only setting still though.
There is a big differance between a car geting wet sitting in the rainand driving on a dirty sloppy roadway. The dirty crap gets everywhere.
Its not about the car melting...Its about the week it takes to clean it back up!
Heck, anytime you move a car, it will get dirty. :shruggy:
yeah but to get it filthy on pupose?? I think not.
Quote from: 1HotDaytona on October 08, 2009, 08:39:37 PM
yeah but to get it filthy on pupose?? I think not.
I have to agree.. I can't intentionally drive it KNOWING it's going to rain....
Not to mention, guys, before this gets out of control, that I have no wipers right now.. The motor is shot so I have to get a new one :lol:
Quote from: jb666 on October 08, 2009, 08:41:14 PM
Quote from: 1HotDaytona on October 08, 2009, 08:39:37 PM
yeah but to get it filthy on pupose?? I think not.
I have to agree.. I can't intentionally drive it KNOWING it's going to rain....
Not to mention, guys, before this gets out of control, that I have no wipers right now.. The motor is shot so I have to get a new one :lol:
No wiper motor and no blades? Jeff bud, thats not good, you do know this you might need them :lol: if you are by chance out and about get cought by chance in the rain. :lol:
You guys would kill me if you saw my car a few weeks ago. :icon_smile_big: I took it down an old dirt road called furnace creek rd in Death Valley Ca. 40-50 mph. :yesnod: It was nice and smooth and most of it was like powder. I slid that car for 18 miles and had to stop a few times to let the dust settle. My wife was pissed at how dirty it was. :rotz: Some spots all you saw was dirt and not the bright orange paint. That was fun.... I still have cleaning to do inside and under. :icon_smile_big:
Quote from: MoparManJim on October 08, 2009, 08:48:19 PM
Quote from: jb666 on October 08, 2009, 08:41:14 PM
Quote from: 1HotDaytona on October 08, 2009, 08:39:37 PM
yeah but to get it filthy on pupose?? I think not.
I have to agree.. I can't intentionally drive it KNOWING it's going to rain....
Not to mention, guys, before this gets out of control, that I have no wipers right now.. The motor is shot so I have to get a new one :lol:
No wiper motor and no blades? Jeff bud, thats not good, you do know this you might need them :lol: if you are by chance out and about get cought by chance in the rain. :lol:
Well, there are arms/blades on the car now.. They've been finished and installed, but the motor is trash, so it's unhooked..
So, where's the best place to buy a (new) motor???
Quote from: skip68 on October 08, 2009, 08:49:37 PM
You guys would kill me if you saw my car a few weeks ago. :icon_smile_big: I took it down an old dirt road called furnace creek rd in Death Valley Ca. 40-50 mph. :yesnod: It was nice and smooth and most of it was like powder. I slid that car for 18 miles and had to stop a few times to let the dust settle. My wife was pissed at how dirty it was. :rotz: Some spots all you saw was dirt and not the bright orange paint. That was fun.... I still have cleaning to do inside and under. :icon_smile_big:
Thats the best kind of dirty! I guess these guys just dont understand, I have this weird obsession once I make something nice and perfect I HAVE to wear it out again it just makes me feel like im using it like I should and not taking advantage. Whats the point of making something nice and being afraid to get it dirty if its just going to get dirty anyways from collecting dust in the garage, thats no fun... I collect my dirt in style :drive:
K I'm done now you guys can flame me if you want it wasn't directed specifically at either of you, though you both could loosen up a little :yesnod: It was more directed towards the people who build AMAZING STUNNING FANTASTIC FAST TUMMY TURNING, garage queens. Lol ok now that thats said feel free to tell me how you have spent more money on your car than I have on my house and how you would like to protect your investment :smilielol:
Quote from: ZSmithersCharges on October 08, 2009, 09:06:31 PM
Quote from: skip68 on October 08, 2009, 08:49:37 PM
You guys would kill me if you saw my car a few weeks ago. :icon_smile_big: I took it down an old dirt road called furnace creek rd in Death Valley Ca. 40-50 mph. :yesnod: It was nice and smooth and most of it was like powder. I slid that car for 18 miles and had to stop a few times to let the dust settle. My wife was pissed at how dirty it was. :rotz: Some spots all you saw was dirt and not the bright orange paint. That was fun.... I still have cleaning to do inside and under. :icon_smile_big:
Thats the best kind of dirty! I guess these guys just dont understand, I have this weird obsession once I make something nice and perfect I HAVE to wear it out again it just makes me feel like im using it like I should and not taking advantage. Whats the point of making something nice and being afraid to get it dirty if its just going to get dirty anyways from collecting dust in the garage, thats no fun... I collect my dirt in style :drive:
K I'm done now you guys can flame me if you want it wasn't directed specifically at either of you, though you both could loosen up a little :yesnod: It was more directed towards the people who build AMAZING STUNNING FANTASTIC FAST TUMMY TURNING, garage queens. Lol ok now that thats said feel free to tell me how you have spent more money on your car than I have on my house and how you would like to protect your investment :smilielol:
That may be true.....My cars get dirty,but I dont get them dirty for fun. They get dirty while Im having fun.
Im still not going to make it a dirty mess just so I can clean it. My biggest problem with that is I like a clean car , I just hate cleaning them!
Quote from: 1HotDaytona on October 08, 2009, 09:10:40 PM
Quote from: ZSmithersCharges on October 08, 2009, 09:06:31 PM
Quote from: skip68 on October 08, 2009, 08:49:37 PM
You guys would kill me if you saw my car a few weeks ago. :icon_smile_big: I took it down an old dirt road called furnace creek rd in Death Valley Ca. 40-50 mph. :yesnod: It was nice and smooth and most of it was like powder. I slid that car for 18 miles and had to stop a few times to let the dust settle. My wife was pissed at how dirty it was. :rotz: Some spots all you saw was dirt and not the bright orange paint. That was fun.... I still have cleaning to do inside and under. :icon_smile_big:
Thats the best kind of dirty! I guess these guys just dont understand, I have this weird obsession once I make something nice and perfect I HAVE to wear it out again it just makes me feel like im using it like I should and not taking advantage. Whats the point of making something nice and being afraid to get it dirty if its just going to get dirty anyways from collecting dust in the garage, thats no fun... I collect my dirt in style :drive:
K I'm done now you guys can flame me if you want it wasn't directed specifically at either of you, though you both could loosen up a little :yesnod: It was more directed towards the people who build AMAZING STUNNING FANTASTIC FAST TUMMY TURNING, garage queens. Lol ok now that thats said feel free to tell me how you have spent more money on your car than I have on my house and how you would like to protect your investment :smilielol:
That may be true.....My cars get dirty,but I dont get them dirty for fun. They get dirty while Im having fun.
Im still not going to make it a dirty mess just so I can clean it. My biggest problem with that is I like a clean car , I just hate cleaning them!
Well of course or that would make you a woman :rotz: I shouldn't have said that, im going to get kicked in the nuts hahaha I kidding I kidding have mercy!
I agree with NOT driving the beast in the rain. Getting caught in the rain is one thing, but having a choice and doing it is just nuts... Not just for the CLEANING thing, but your control and the LACK of control of others. Keep in mind I live in Florida where it rains on nearly a daily basis. I see the wrecks ALL THE TIME. I was even in one years ago. I rear ended a brand spanking new GM that had better control than I did in an emergency stop. I was even on the brakes before her brake lights came on.
Yes, anti-lock brakes work GREAT on slippery roads... :D
Yeah but see you live in Florida I wouldn't drive there rain or shine Florida drivers are awful! :) your taking a risk just sitting in a parking lot with other motorists! And don't get me started on the old people! Here its a little bit safer to drive in the rain... And when its light rain there is no better feeling in the world than to drive down a country road with your arm out the window as the cool breeze flows through your hair with the droplets of water running down your arm as you cruise on through with the low roar of the engine filling in the silence.
Ok guys, without any further (rain) discussion, let me tell you I made it home with LESS THAN FIVE MINUTES to spare before the sky opened up.. But I made it!! And for some reason, in my area when rain OR snow start to fall, people instantly start driving like absolute idiots..
My review of Jon's car adjustments and reverse manual valve body? UN-FREAKING-BELIEVABLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The car goes like a rocket. It's ultra responsive (as he said, like electronic fuel injection!) and it shifts like an animal... Instant, hard and fast!! I am seriously considering getting a set of slicks and getting this up the track next year!!
So.... After 14 months of absolute Hell, THE GENERAL LEE IS HOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_7179Medium.jpg)
I'm going to drive the Hell out of it for the next month or so, but this is how he'll be sitting, nice and warm, with multiple cameras facing his hibernation cave...
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/photo-32.jpg)
:cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
AWESOME! :cheers:
Thanks!! The guys put the new Mopar Tuff wheel in, too.. What a HUGE difference from the other wheel with the 10" offset and 20" diameter.
Ignore all of the sandblast dust on my mats that hasn't been vacuumed up yet.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_7175Medium.jpg)
Good to see the General back at headquarters after a long tuff battle! :2thumbs: The new wheel looks perfect.
:cheers: :2thumbs: Good for you Jeff. Enjoy and be sure to post all burnout pics. :yesnod:
Quote from: skip68 on October 09, 2009, 01:28:27 PM
:cheers: :2thumbs: Good for you Jeff. Enjoy and be sure to post all burnout pics. :yesnod:
ALL of'em?? That'll take a while...
Dude I love that floor shifter. The interior looks very clean.
Great to see it home at last :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :cheers: :cheers: I like the home security system, that thing rocks. Are you worried that BK might come and steal it to resell as one of his restorations? :smilielol:
car looks great .....now you just need to drop it down a bit..... real sexi
The lifted stance in the back is perfect! That car is just begging to be taken to the track, best general I've seen so far. :2thumbs: :drool5:
Thanks guys!! Because of my headers/oil pan and road conditions in my area (not to mention the 18" hump at the top of my driveway) the stance has to be this way.. If I lowered it I'd be scraping and ripping things off...
Anyways, I just got back from the weekend. Closed up our summer place this weekend and was I ever itching to get home and drive the General today!! Tomorrow I have the day off and it's supposed to be gorgeous!!
I took these today because I forgot to show you guys the new valve covers.. Sorry for the crap camera phone shots..
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/photo-33.jpg)
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WTF ! ! ! :rotz: Those valve covers are gay Jeff. :rotz: You need to take those off and send them to me. :2thumbs:
Quote from: skip68 on October 11, 2009, 05:47:07 PM
WTF ! ! ! :rotz: Those valve covers are gay Jeff. :rotz: You need to take those off and send them to me. :2thumbs:
Sorry Chuck.. How about I just leave them bolted to the motor and send it to you? It'd be easier that way, and I'm tired. :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
Quote from: skip68 on October 11, 2009, 05:47:07 PM
WTF ! ! ! :rotz: Those valve covers are gay Jeff. :rotz: You need to take those off and send them to me. :2thumbs:
Chuck, they will do you no good as they have to be bolted to something. "Your dresser does NOT count". ;)
Quote from: skip68 on October 11, 2009, 05:47:07 PM
WTF ! ! ! :rotz: Those valve covers are gay Jeff. :rotz: You need to take those off and send them to me. :2thumbs:
Why? Are you gay?? Somebody should tell Lisa. I am sure Tufcat will tell her for you. :D
Quote from: jb666 on October 11, 2009, 04:35:05 PM
Thanks guys!! Because of my headers/oil pan and road conditions in my area (not to mention the 18" hump at the top of my driveway) the stance has to be this way.. If I lowered it I'd be scraping and ripping things off...
Anyways, I just got back from the weekend. Closed up our summer place this weekend and was I ever itching to get home and drive the General today!! Tomorrow I have the day off and it's supposed to be gorgeous!!
I took these today because I forgot to show you guys the new valve covers.. Sorry for the crap camera phone shots..
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You must not ever drive your Vette home...cause if anything was gonna bottum out...............
The Vette is NOT FUN to get into my driveway. I have to pull in completely sideways, and it still hits the undercarriage a bit.. I'm going to raise the Vette back to factory ride-height if we end up keeping it.
Well, today was (literally) a dream come true..
I got to drive my childhood dream(car) through my old neighborhood (where I grew up) and have a crowd of my old neighbors checking it out.. After that, we took it to a few shops that friends work at and let them look at it.. Nothing but smiles and compliments!!
The car runs like a dream. I took it by Jon's shop and he made a couple of slight carb adjustments, but all in all the thing is PERFECT. The power, the response, the waves/cheers while going down the road are awesome.
My wife says this "The next time I go out with you I'm going wear a neck brace and some Depends, because I got whiplash and almost wet my pants" :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
I don't know what she's talking about I warned her ALMOST every time I was gonna hop on it!!! :smilielol:
But this is what the term LIVING THE DREAM means... Beautiful day off, wife by my side, cruising the back roads during peak Foliage season in the car of my dreams. It don't get much better than this!!!! :boogie:
There is not much of a chance of keeping a low profile in that car.
I don't even think having bubble gum lights on the top could make it stand out any more unless it was at night.
I'm really glad you are having a good time with the General !
Now you just need to hook up with Mr. Angry on one of his cross country trips.
Quote from: ChgrSteve67 on October 12, 2009, 03:44:15 PM
There is not much of a chance of keeping a low profile in that car.
I don't even think having bubble gum lights on the top could make it stand out any more unless it was at night.
I'm really glad you are having a good time with the General !
Now you just need to hook up with Mr. Angry on one of his cross country trips.
I don't think I could afford a cross country trip in this pig!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Quote from: jb666 on October 12, 2009, 03:18:55 PM
Well, today was (literally) a dream come true..
I got to drive my childhood dream(car) through my old neighborhood (where I grew up) and have a crowd of my old neighbors checking it out.. After that, we took it to a few shops that friends work at and let them look at it.. Nothing but smiles and compliments!!
The car runs like a dream. I took it by Jon's shop and he made a couple of slight carb adjustments, but all in all the thing is PERFECT. The power, the response, the waves/cheers while going down the road are awesome.
My wife says this "The next time I go out with you I'm going wear a neck brace and some Depends, because I got whiplash and almost wet my pants" :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
I don't know what she's talking about I warned her ALMOST every time I was gonna hop on it!!! :smilielol:
But this is what the term LIVING THE DREAM means... Beautiful day off, wife by my side, cruising the back roads during peak Foliage season in the car of my dreams. It don't get much better than this!!!! :boogie:
Awesome! :2thumbs:
Thanks, Mike!!
BTW, I meant to post the shots of Jon's car that I took today.. He won his class, for the 2nd year in a row this weekend.. 8.50's consistently(10" tires). This car is awesome!!
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here's an original Shelby that the boys are working on.. Very cool car.
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And here's a car, from a show Saturday, that we knew Frank(FLG) would love!
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Quote from: jb666 on October 12, 2009, 05:17:07 PM
here's an original Shelby that the boys are working on.. Very cool car.
Just to clarify... that's a "continuation" Cobra - but I'd still love to have it!!!
Troy
I'd rather have the NOVA......... :yesnod:
Those rear skins look wider than 10 inches though.... Hell, the wheels look like there's 10 inches to the face alone... :2thumbs:
There's someone on the planet the wants a Nova? :P I know Novas can be real fast but... eew. The Cobra's side oiler alone is cooler! Not to mention the shape (muscular curves vs big-box-with-little-box-stacked-on-top). I have to say I like that style better than the later Novas though.
Troy
Troy, just look at the pic of my car on the left. I LIKE the shoe box look... :2thumbs:
The same year Nova is sitting within a stones throw from my new house. It's a rag top and I would love to know how rare it is. No time for stopping to see it or research though. Hell, no time for MY OWN CAR!!!
Quote from: Steve P. on October 12, 2009, 09:20:58 PM
I'd rather have the NOVA......... :yesnod:
Those rear skins look wider than 10 inches though.... Hell, the wheels look like there's 10 inches to the face alone... :2thumbs:
Someone can put this in a more technical term, I'm sure, but the '10" tire' is based on the contact patch to the ground.
:cheers:
Absolutely Beautiful...Handsome! Love your wife's comments...GREAT! You face has got to hurt from all the smiling you've done in the last few months. Now take down BK so they can't do this again. That ad stated the car was a creampuff dream car! If you look at the seats they show the "quality" of BK's shop.
One of my first cars was a rag top Nova sold up by you Steve :scratchchin:
Quote from: jb666 on October 13, 2009, 05:12:07 AM
Quote from: Steve P. on October 12, 2009, 09:20:58 PM
I'd rather have the NOVA......... :yesnod:
Those rear skins look wider than 10 inches though.... Hell, the wheels look like there's 10 inches to the face alone... :2thumbs:
Someone can put this in a more technical term, I'm sure, but the '10" tire' is based on the contact patch to the ground.
:cheers:
Quote from: jb666 on October 13, 2009, 05:12:07 AM
Quote from: Steve P. on October 12, 2009, 09:20:58 PM
I'd rather have the NOVA......... :yesnod:
Those rear skins look wider than 10 inches though.... Hell, the wheels look like there's 10 inches to the face alone... :2thumbs:
Someone can put this in a more technical term, I'm sure, but the '10" tire' is based on the contact patch to the ground.
:cheers:
That is correct. I'm looking at these pics. and it looks to me like those tires and wheels are wider than 10 inch. We all know pictures lie. (See early pics of car in this topic). No biggie....
Quote from: b5blue on October 13, 2009, 08:52:09 AM
One of my first cars was a rag top Nova sold up by you Steve :scratchchin:
This one is unrestored. Red/Black drop top. Just sitting and sometimes being used as a work bench. :rotz:
Quote from: Steve P. on October 13, 2009, 10:05:00 AM
Quote from: jb666 on October 13, 2009, 05:12:07 AM
Quote from: Steve P. on October 12, 2009, 09:20:58 PM
I'd rather have the NOVA......... :yesnod:
Those rear skins look wider than 10 inches though.... Hell, the wheels look like there's 10 inches to the face alone... :2thumbs:
Someone can put this in a more technical term, I'm sure, but the '10" tire' is based on the contact patch to the ground.
:cheers:
That is correct. I'm looking at these pics. and it looks to me like those tires and wheels are wider than 10 inch. We all know pictures lie. (See early pics of car in this topic). No biggie....
The rims are 15X14". You use the wide rim to stretch the tire out and make full contact. It's what all the 10.5 tire cars have.
The tires are 33X10.5" (tread).
:cheers: Pictures are deceiving, you're right.. The things look huge!
I may have missed a page or two in your thread but do you have any pics and specs of the engine?
The car looks great. Super job! :drool5:
Quote from: mopar_nut_440_6 on October 15, 2009, 10:19:20 AM
I may have missed a page or two in your thread but do you have any pics and specs of the engine?
FIRE BREATHING DRAGON. :icon_smile_big: :2thumbs:
Quote from: mopar_nut_440_6 on October 15, 2009, 10:19:20 AM
I may have missed a page or two in your thread but do you have any pics and specs of the engine?
The car looks great. Super job! :drool5:
Sure, I'll dig up some specs for you.. But the quick run-down is that it's a 472 Crate Hemi. I was told it was shipped from Mancini to an "engine builder", who put a cam in it and shipped it off to BK. So far, everyone that's heard/felt/worked on it agrees that the cam is monstrous.. The only thing is, there's NO DETAILED INFORMATION on what was/wasn't done to this.. Hence the reason I was going to have Jon pull it and tear into it.. But we scrapped that idea when we felt how amazing this thing went... I'm gonna drive the Hell out of it, enjoy it, and not worry about who put what inside. It's passed the leakdown/compression test with flying colors, and everything else has been checked out (short of pulling the motor).
Here are a couple of quick shots, with the new valve covers on. Jon had to modify these to fit. He also had to install the breathers and the PVC valve in the passenger's side filler cap..
These shots were taken on my IPhone, please excuse the poor quality.
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It certainly isn't this $10k+ 100% Billet block :o
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But it runs incredible and goes like Hell!!!!!!!!
I'm pretty pumped.. Tomorrow at 10AM I have a 30 year veteran appraiser coming to my house to do a full top to bottom appraisal of my car.. Then the value will be adjusted and the insurance will cover me 100%.. I figure at this point I'd rather be SAFE THAN SORRY... Right Chuck!!!!! :flush:
Well,the appraiser just left.. I was very pleased, because he said in his 30 years of appraising, this was one of the nicest paint jobs he's seen in person. He kept saying "my camera won't capture the depth and beauty of this paint!! I wish I had sunlight and a nicer setup!!". Several others have commented that their cameras wouldn't get the metallics and the depth of the paint...
All in all, the #'s he gave me blew my mind.. The car went from looking like it went through a cheese grater to something with some REALLY nice value. All thanks to the skill of a small group of people!!
Quote from: jb666 on October 16, 2009, 09:25:45 AM
Well,the appraiser just left.. I was very pleased, because he said in his 30 years of appraising, this was one of the nicest paint jobs he's seen in person. He kept saying "my camera won't capture the depth and beauty of this paint!! I wish I had sunlight and a nicer setup!!". Several others have commented that their cameras wouldn't get the metallics and the depth of the paint...
Glad to hear that it was very positive news on the value front.
On another note, now I have to photograph the car. I like a good challenge. :icon_smile_big:
Joking aside, the paint on your Charger is phenomenal! :2thumbs:
Quote from: mikepmcs on October 16, 2009, 01:00:44 PM
Quote from: jb666 on October 16, 2009, 09:25:45 AM
Well,the appraiser just left.. I was very pleased, because he said in his 30 years of appraising, this was one of the nicest paint jobs he's seen in person. He kept saying "my camera won't capture the depth and beauty of this paint!! I wish I had sunlight and a nicer setup!!". Several others have commented that their cameras wouldn't get the metallics and the depth of the paint...
Glad to hear that it was very positive news on the value front.
On another note, now I have to photograph the car. I like a good challenge. :icon_smile_big:
Joking aside, the paint on your Charger is phenomenal! :2thumbs:
Thanks Mike!! I just had a guy come down fro upstate NY to see the car.. He drove 4 hours "just for the Hell of it". He's standing there, checking it out, and he says "Oh my God, wow! Did you know this paint has METALLIC in it!?!?". Gee, no, I didn't :rofl:
I love the different reactions, though... I can't wait for you to see this thing, Mike...
When you coming down????
This weekend is a bust. Gonna take my buddy's daughter(middle 16yo) photo chasing tomorrow. She wants to be a photographer so I'm taking her to the local place they call hobbitland(Vaughn Woods), I'm actually honored she asked me to teach her how to "take pictures" as she puts it....then Sunday taking his youngest(15yo, my goddaughter) shopping in Freeport Maine. She remembers me taking her a year ago and that is all she talks about is her and I going shopping. These girls need some better entertainment other than hanging out with their old crusty Uncle Mike. :lol:
It's getting colder and I need to start getting the truck/plow/house etc.... ready to go. We'll see what the week has to bring, maybe the 24th(sat) if the weather coops. :2thumbs:
Dont leave me out of that one mike and jeff. Either one of you shoot me a text or call...i want to see the damn car too :RantExplode:
Thank god someone finaly got a GL painted the right colour.I couldn't imagine owning such a lovely car and having to tell people it was chevy orange {whatever it was}.Love to see that car in person jeff any chance you can sponsor me bus fare.lol
Credit to the guys hope my 70 looks half as good.
Quote from: mikepmcs on October 16, 2009, 05:34:23 PM
This weekend is a bust. Gonna take my buddy's daughter(middle 16yo) photo chasing tomorrow. She wants to be a photographer so I'm taking her to the local place they call hobbitland(Vaughn Woods), I'm actually honored she asked me to teach her how to "take pictures" as she puts it....then Sunday taking his youngest(15yo, my goddaughter) shopping in Freeport Maine. She remembers me taking her a year ago and that is all she talks about is her and I going shopping. These girls need some better entertainment other than hanging out with their old crusty Uncle Mike. :lol:
It's getting colder and I need to start getting the truck/plow/house etc.... ready to go. We'll see what the week has to bring, maybe the 24th(sat) if the weather coops. :2thumbs:
Mike. I've been telling you for months that you have an eye for awesome pictures , and the equipment to TAKE them.. So use both of those things. :cheers: :cheers: I look forward to you coming down.. ANY TIME!!
Quote from: FLG on October 16, 2009, 11:20:32 PM
Dont leave me out of that one mike and jeff. Either one of you shoot me a text or call...i want to see the damn car too :RantExplode:
Don't worry Frank, we won't!!!
Quote from: d/ur/t on October 17, 2009, 06:57:50 AM
Thank god someone finaly got a GL painted the right colour.I couldn't imagine owning such a lovely car and having to tell people it was chevy orange {whatever it was}.Love to see that car in person jeff any chance you can sponsor me bus fare.lol
Credit to the guys hope my 70 looks half as good.
Thank you!! I have ALWAYS loved Hemi Orange.. I couldn't do this any other way , even if it wasn't "right". :lol: I just couldn't paint my Charger CORVETTE FLAME RED, or what ever it is....
Ok guys, before I list this in the swap meet room (and other places) does anyone here have any interest in this wheel??
I know they go for good $$, but I'm just looking to give someone a good deal. PM me if you're interested. I'm not looking to turn a profit from anyone here, and I figure it can go to a good home.. It's brand new!!
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ok tried to pm you but the box is full :brickwall:. How much I am very interested.
Ok guys.. Good news and bad news..
Bad news, last night I posted that about the wheel then went out for a while.. I came back to 10 messages.. I replied to the first person on the list, Captnsm, and he promptly paid for the wheel, so it's sold...
Good news -- Today I'll be sorting through my large box of extra parts... These will all be free. You pay for shipping, nothing else... Stay tuned... :cheers:
Quote from: mikepmcs on October 16, 2009, 05:34:23 PM
This weekend is a bust. Gonna take my buddy's daughter(middle 16yo) photo chasing tomorrow. She wants to be a photographer so I'm taking her to the local place they call hobbitland(Vaughn Woods), I'm actually honored she asked me to teach her how to "take pictures" as she puts it....then Sunday taking his youngest(15yo, my goddaughter) shopping in Freeport Maine. She remembers me taking her a year ago and that is all she talks about is her and I going shopping. These girls need some better entertainment other than hanging out with their old crusty Uncle Mike. :lol:
It's getting colder and I need to start getting the truck/plow/house etc.... ready to go. We'll see what the week has to bring, maybe the 24th(sat) if the weather coops. :2thumbs:
Mike -- I've been meaning to put up a pic of the door with your plug installed. Thanks again for sending this to me!!!!!
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Mike, do you have an ideas, besides the random HEY LOOK I GOT IT! mistake picture, how to capture the metallics in the paint?? If so, when you come, make sure you load up all the good equipment...
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Jeff , besides a wicked bright day with the light in just the right place or parking your car near water so the reflection will help shine even more light on it, all's I can suggest is let me take multiple exposures from light to dark and map it out to see what happens. :icon_smile_big:
Quick example below. This is Beer's car prior to any wet sanding or buffing.
That's pretty wild, but that's been chopped, right??
Yes and no. I added nothing to the picture but took multiple exposures to gather every tone I could possibly get. Combined all the pictures in to one picture. It's called tone mapping.
Quote from: mikepmcs on October 18, 2009, 08:27:55 PM
Yes and no. I added nothing to the picture but took multiple exposures to gather every tone I could possibly get. Combined all the pictures in to one picture. It's called tone mapping.
That is incredible. Were you set up on a tripod so that you could overlap each picture on top of the next perfectly??
I'll never tell. Ok, yes, also remote shutter release as well. :icon_smile_big: The camera ain't movin a lick.
I've done up to 14 exposures for one picture. Here's a quick example.(it's not the 14 exposure one :P)
WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :o
OK Mike , get'cher ass down here before it snows!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :lol:
Dude you BETTER make sure im there too. Ill be bringing the mopar too!!
Mike pics are AWESOME!!!
Quote from: FLG on October 18, 2009, 11:53:31 PM
Dude you BETTER make sure im there too. Ill be bringing the mopar too!!
Mike pics are AWESOME!!!
Frank, I just got your message(s). I'll give you a holler in a bit.. Friday is the better day, then I have an all day car show to be at on Sunday, which is about 15 minutes from Chuck's shop. I'll be there 8AM-3PM weather permitting.. Saturday's going to be a TOTAL wash out again... Are you around Friday or Sunday?
Friday might work out...broke a u joint today (yea AGAIN!) im thinking my driveline is a little off or the u-joint was crap (just might have been).
Any way possible we can do this closer to me? I dread making the trip as ive had some small issues with the car and dont feel like pushing my luck.
Quote from: FLG on October 21, 2009, 06:56:33 PM
Friday might work out...broke a u joint today (yea AGAIN!) im thinking my driveline is a little off or the u-joint was crap (just might have been).
Any way possible we can do this closer to me? I dread making the trip as ive had some small issues with the car and dont feel like pushing my luck.
Sure. Where are you thinking? If that's the case it'll have to be Friday , because Sunday I'll be tied up all day.
Got no idea, whats mike cool with?
Would love ya guys to come down to brooklyn (car show on friday) but that trip might be a little much with those gears.
Yeah, I'd say so.. I'm still breaking the car in, I only have about 3 hours total driving time since it's been finished, and I've hesitated on taking it 15 miles away on the highway to a show because I'd like to break it in slowly...... Just to know it'll be as reliable as I'm hoping!! (Some call it paranoia)
More like "common sense" after what you have been through! :2thumbs:
Quote from: b5blue on October 21, 2009, 07:49:01 PM
More like "common sense" after what you have been through! :2thumbs:
Yeah, that's more like it.. The farthest I've been is 10 miles out on back roads...
Quote from: FLG on October 21, 2009, 07:22:05 PM
Got no idea, whats mike cool with?
Would love ya guys to come down to brooklyn (car show on friday) but that trip might be a little much with those gears.
Mike's not going anywhere for a bit. I've got some serious truck issues I'm dealing with and that equals no money for anything fun right now. :icon_smile_blackeye:
J.B.666 kudos to you from Michigan's Upper Peninsula. You sure stick to your guns. Your General really does have a "Cult" fallowing. I'm glad to see it's done and now you can enjoy it. If you ever decide to road trip that thing through Michigan's U.P. I would love to meet the man behind the car and shake your hand.
The skilled people you found to work on it are truly amazing. I work in an auto repair shop and I see all kinds of hackwork everyday. I have no idea how people can let shady work out of their shops and still sleep at night. There is no way I ever could. Perhaps that is why my shop is as busy as it is.
Just curious, is BK still alive or did Roscoe "cuff 'em & stuff 'em"?
Quote from: jb666 on October 18, 2009, 09:48:59 AM
Good news -- Today I'll be sorting through my large box of extra parts... These will all be free. You pay for shipping, nothing else... Stay tuned... :cheers:
:popcrn:
Well I think the frowny face on this thread has run its course, "Its time to turn that frown UPSIDE DOWN" :icon_smile_big: The trouble is in the past now you should rename it Jb's saga or something :nana:
Quote from: mikepmcs on October 22, 2009, 05:39:29 AM
Quote from: FLG on October 21, 2009, 07:22:05 PM
Got no idea, whats mike cool with?
Would love ya guys to come down to brooklyn (car show on friday) but that trip might be a little much with those gears.
Mike's not going anywhere for a bit. I've got some serious truck issues I'm dealing with and that equals no money for anything fun right now. :icon_smile_blackeye:
Sorry you're having some problems right now, Mike.. I'm really itching for you to see this thing before winter because of your "history" with it.
Quote from: Stretch on October 22, 2009, 04:15:54 PM
J.B.666 kudos to you from Michigan's Upper Peninsula. You sure stick to your guns. Your General really does have a "Cult" fallowing. I'm glad to see it's done and now you can enjoy it. If you ever decide to road trip that thing through Michigan's U.P. I would love to meet the man behind the car and shake your hand.
The skilled people you found to work on it are truly amazing. I work in an auto repair shop and I see all kinds of hackwork everyday. I have no idea how people can let shady work out of their shops and still sleep at night. There is no way I ever could. Perhaps that is why my shop is as busy as it is.
Hey, that's very nice of you to say.. Thank you!! Maybe some day we could meet up and you can see it in person.
The people who worked on my car , all the way from Jon's endless weeks of work and Chuck & B's time spent on the car were amazing.. This car went from a total joke, to the sandblaster's shop where it emerged looking like swiss cheese (where I ALMOST threw in the towel, but the guys wouldn't let me!) to something that has some serious value.. You have no idea how that makes me feel. Jon, Chuck & Big B are MY definition of a "hero", because they all played a part in making my dream become a reality.
Quote from: Neal_J on October 22, 2009, 05:25:35 PM
Just curious, is BK still alive or did Roscoe "cuff 'em & stuff 'em"?
Honestly, I don't know.. They have no reputation (online) and are in a world of legal problems (some they may not even know about yet). If they are around to screw another person down the road, it's obviously someone who didn't take the time to GOOGLE BK Auto... :brickwall: .. But this thread has done it's job and served an incredible purpose. :2thumbs: Thanks for sticking thru this from beginning to end though, Neal.. As frustrating/useless as it may have seemed, at times, I'm proud to say the car survived it's journey and will forever be in my possession!!
Quote from: 69bronzeT5 on October 22, 2009, 05:34:20 PM
Quote from: jb666 on October 18, 2009, 09:48:59 AM
Good news -- Today I'll be sorting through my large box of extra parts... These will all be free. You pay for shipping, nothing else... Stay tuned... :cheers:
:popcrn:
the wife JUST told me "get the box of Charger parts out of my Navigator please!!". I'm off tomorrow, I'll be sorting it out and taking pics. I will post them here, and can start shipping parts out on Monday. Stay tuned.
Quote from: ZSmithersCharges on October 22, 2009, 07:28:11 PM
Well I think the frowny face on this thread has run its course, "Its time to turn that frown UPSIDE DOWN" :icon_smile_big: The trouble is in the past now you should rename it Jb's saga or something :nana:
Truer words have never been spoken, my friend...
I got my full appraisal delivered today.. When I opened it and read it I realized this really WAS over.. It exceeded my expectations .
The wife and I went to a huge car show tonight, by Gillette Stadium (Home of the NE Patriots). I didn't get out of work until 5PM and got there around 5:30. It was dark 10 minutes later, and people were filing out of there.. I'd have brought the General but I knew I wouldn't make it in time... So I'm really looking forward to Sunday's show. I'll be there at 8AM and will stay till 3PM!!
Quote from: jb666 on October 22, 2009, 07:54:43 PM
Quote from: ZSmithersCharges on October 22, 2009, 07:28:11 PM
Well I think the frowny face on this thread has run its course, "Its time to turn that frown UPSIDE DOWN" :icon_smile_big: The trouble is in the past now you should rename it Jb's saga or something :nana:
Truer words have never been spoken, my friend...
I got my full appraisal delivered today.. When I opened it and read it I realized this really WAS over.. It exceeded my expectations .
The wife and I went to a huge car show tonight, by Gillette Stadium (Home of the NE Patriots). I didn't get out of work until 5PM and got there around 5:30. It was dark 10 minutes later, and people were filing out of there.. I'd have brought the General but I knew I wouldn't make it in time... So I'm really looking forward to Sunday's show. I'll be there at 8AM and will stay till 3PM!!
Remember to take the camera and plenty of snacks and drinks cause at show prices a man could go broke :cheers:
Quote from: ZSmithersCharges on October 22, 2009, 08:21:36 PM
Quote from: jb666 on October 22, 2009, 07:54:43 PM
Quote from: ZSmithersCharges on October 22, 2009, 07:28:11 PM
Well I think the frowny face on this thread has run its course, "Its time to turn that frown UPSIDE DOWN" :icon_smile_big: The trouble is in the past now you should rename it Jb's saga or something :nana:
Truer words have never been spoken, my friend...
I got my full appraisal delivered today.. When I opened it and read it I realized this really WAS over.. It exceeded my expectations .
The wife and I went to a huge car show tonight, by Gillette Stadium (Home of the NE Patriots). I didn't get out of work until 5PM and got there around 5:30. It was dark 10 minutes later, and people were filing out of there.. I'd have brought the General but I knew I wouldn't make it in time... So I'm really looking forward to Sunday's show. I'll be there at 8AM and will stay till 3PM!!
Remember to take the camera and plenty of snacks and drinks cause at show prices a man could go broke :cheers:
You're assuming that I'm not already broke because of this car :lol:
I'll be gnawing on a chunk of Styrofoam washing it down with rain water. :cheers:
Quote from: jb666 on October 22, 2009, 08:23:35 PM
Quote from: ZSmithersCharges on October 22, 2009, 08:21:36 PM
Quote from: jb666 on October 22, 2009, 07:54:43 PM
Quote from: ZSmithersCharges on October 22, 2009, 07:28:11 PM
Well I think the frowny face on this thread has run its course, "Its time to turn that frown UPSIDE DOWN" :icon_smile_big: The trouble is in the past now you should rename it Jb's saga or something :nana:
Truer words have never been spoken, my friend...
I got my full appraisal delivered today.. When I opened it and read it I realized this really WAS over.. It exceeded my expectations .
The wife and I went to a huge car show tonight, by Gillette Stadium (Home of the NE Patriots). I didn't get out of work until 5PM and got there around 5:30. It was dark 10 minutes later, and people were filing out of there.. I'd have brought the General but I knew I wouldn't make it in time... So I'm really looking forward to Sunday's show. I'll be there at 8AM and will stay till 3PM!!
Remember to take the camera and plenty of snacks and drinks cause at show prices a man could go broke :cheers:
You're assuming that I'm not already broke because of this car :lol:
I'll be gnawing on a chunk of Styrofoam washing it down with rain water. :cheers:
Just needs a dash of salt :2thumbs:
Does anyone know if the owner of the TA. Was found. I can't recall the year of it but it was blue and had some sort of political reference decals on it. Just curious to see how bad that guy got hosed or if he even knows yet. Or perhaps that is the one car BK did correctly. (Yah right)...
Here's the first group of things that are on the chopping block... Misc arm rests... Free of charge... Need to be dyed.
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Jeff:
It's great that you're spreading the love with the leftover parts.
If these are old BK parts, I think we need some sort of exorcism to shed the bad part-karma. We need to sacrifice a chicken or a virgin or something. I don't have a chicken. Where's Cody?
Bad parts karma indeed. I know this happened to Neal and it's "NOT" cool to take advantage of a members generosity. :slap: These guys and all others here that have worked hard to build their cars and are giving extras to help others should NOT be taken advantage of. :rotz: As soon as you post the gears and suregrip Jeff, I'll take them. :icon_smile_big:
Actually Chuck, I meant it in a totally different way. I'm suggesting that the bad part-karma would eminate from their exposure to BK's shop. Hahaha.
But thanks for remembering the bad part-recipient karma, though. Yours was a good reminder that Jeff and others are very generous to offer their leftovers to other Charger brothers. While I'm sure it will come full circle for that individual one day, but for me, it's far outweighed by the good karma received from other recipients.
Way to pay it forward, Jeff.
Here's a smilie for you, Chuck: :cheers:
Oops. The BK karma is bad for sure. I just saw bad parts karma and remembered that you got screwed on some seat cushions or something. :rotz: Jeff, can you put all the junk that was removed from your car in a pile and post a picture of it ? I would love to see (and I'm sure others would) how much is there.
Quote from: skip68 on October 23, 2009, 12:04:58 PM
Oops. The BK karma is bad for sure. I just saw bad parts karma and remembered that you got screwed on some seat cushions or something. :rotz: Jeff, can you put all the junk that was removed from your car in a pile and post a picture of it ? I would love to see (and I'm sure others would) how much is there.
I can definitely do that!! You should see the pile of crap "metal" (and I use the term loosely) beside my garage... :hah:
Quote from: Neal_J on October 23, 2009, 11:52:51 AM
Actually Chuck, I meant it in a totally different way. I'm suggesting that the bad part-karma would eminate from their exposure to BK's shop. Hahaha.
But thanks for remembering the bad part-recipient karma, though. Yours was a good reminder that Jeff and others are very generous to offer their leftovers to other Charger brothers. While I'm sure it will come full circle for that individual one day, but for me, it's far outweighed by the good karma received from other recipients.
Way to pay it forward, Jeff.
Here's a smilie for you, Chuck: :cheers:
hey, thanks! I give you the credit, though.. You sparked the idea, and I ran with it. I found the other armrest in another box, so it's a set of (4) , front and rear. Not the greatest, because they need to be redyed, but not trash either.
Once those are gone, I have a slew of chrome trim (that reminds me, I have some here for you Chuck, send me an email please) , marker lights, misc hardware, etc...
And, I wouldn't be my old post-whoring picture-crazed self if I didn't post a couple shots I took today.. Nice overcast days like this really seem to make the colors pop. My "Daisy Duke" is sitting in the car, ignoring me :lol:
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Nice background! The car is looking fantastic. So, why didn't the Mrs. look up at the camera for the photos? She probably knows that there is a "Chicks on Chargers" thread, right? ;) With what you've gone through and the obvious support from your wife ("get the box of Charger parts out of my Navigator please!!" quote notwithstanding.... :smilielol:) she is a keeper too.
Dan
Quote from: Dans 68 on October 23, 2009, 02:31:03 PM
Nice background! The car is looking fantastic. So, why didn't the Mrs. look up at the camera for the photos? She probably knows that there is a "Chicks on Chargers" thread, right? ;) With what you've gone through and the obvious support from your wife ("get the box of Charger parts out of my Navigator please!!" quote notwithstanding.... :smilielol:) she is a keeper too.
Dan
:lol: She'd love that! (If she was expecting it). As for the box of parts, well, I left one key part out.. I had about 15 pcs of trim that were about 5' long taking up two full rows of her seats :rofl: , a HUGE brown box (4'X3' wide) and a blue Tupperware container full of crap...... :icon_smile_big:
Enough of the still shots, lets see some with that bitch in the air :2thumbs:
Quote from: Dave C on October 23, 2009, 03:47:10 PM
Enough of the still shots, lets see some with that bitch in the air :2thumbs:
:lol: Ok, next time I go out :cheers:
Saw the new pictures shes B E A U TIFUL! I like the :icon_smile_big:
Is that the Battleship Massachusetts in Fall River? And if so, how di you convince them to let you drive up next to it?
Looks great regardless.
Quote from: Bluestar on October 23, 2009, 06:25:09 PM
Is that the Battleship Massachusetts in Fall River? And if so, how di you convince them to let you drive up next to it?
Looks great regardless.
No, although I've been there.. This was the USS Salem in Quincy. It's been docked there for years, and every October it's a "Haunted ship". I don't have to ask, the ship isn't protected in any way.
Quote from: ZSmithersCharges on October 23, 2009, 04:33:19 PM
Saw the new pictures shes B E A U TIFUL! I like the :icon_smile_big:
:cheers: Thanks!!! BTW, it's a HE!! :nana:
Quote from: jb666 on October 23, 2009, 06:55:02 PM
Quote from: ZSmithersCharges on October 23, 2009, 04:33:19 PM
Saw the new pictures shes B E A U TIFUL! I like the :icon_smile_big:
:cheers: Thanks!!! BTW, it's a HE!! :nana:
Didn't know you swing that way I know a couple guys if your interested :D Just kidding. Yeah yeah yeah I know General Lee was a guy and that would make a crummy girls name blah blah blah I already tried to get my girl friend to agree to it anyways if we have a daughter :smilielol:
Also just kidding, no rug rats for me! :rotz:
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Didn't know you swing that way I know a couple guys if your interested :smilielol:
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He may swing, but I bet not THAT way...........
What a long strange (and expensive) trip it's been.
Congrats!
Quote from: nh_mopar_fan on October 24, 2009, 10:07:10 AM
What a long strange (and expensive) trip it's been.
Congrats!
You can say that again.
Thank you!
As for what's happened/happening to BK, well I guess I should say at this point that I don't really care. THEY built the original car that was a total POS. THEY screwed Brian, and in turn, good old Brian Erdman screwed me. My real beef here is with Brian , and this has gone so far beyond "small claims court" that when he gets notified of what's going on he's going to fall on the floor and wish he never got involved with this car in the first place. HIS beef is what he paid BK to build the rolling toilet that they assembled.
As far as their reputation? Anyone that can Google can see what they are all about. This thread has done it's job 1,000,000X over. It's made people aware of what BK AUTO makes. CRAP. Can they make a nice car? Anyone that can take the time to make such an extreme shitbox can DEFINITELY put their time/effort/skill into making something nice. Hopefully , if Thomas ever decides to build cars that he's going to sell, he's cleaned his act up, or there will be someone after me posting another horror story like this one.
I have no idea what happened to the Trans Am that BK "built", but judging by the build pictures, I can definitely say they did NOT do it "right"... But again, if the owner is happy, more power to him...
Quote from: Steve P. on October 24, 2009, 01:18:53 AM
Didn't know you swing that way I know a couple guys if your interested :smilielol:
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He may swing, but I bet not THAT way...........
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:smilielol: Thats all I have to say!
Jeff, the bars going inside the engine compartment from the firewall down to the front are called what ? Are those "custom made" by BK ? ? ? Or does anybody know if they are made by a shop for the Chargers ? If this is a BK thing then I've found another BK Auto GENERAL LEE. :yesnod:
Ive seen these skip
http://www.xvmotorsports.com/products/detail/index.cfm?nPID=24&cid=105&cdesc=Chassis%20Stiffening
But not the ones that jeffs car had.
Quote from: skip68 on October 24, 2009, 09:28:01 PM
Jeff, the bars going inside the engine compartment from the firewall down to the front are called what ? Are those "custom made" by BK ? ? ? Or does anybody know if they are made by a shop for the Chargers ? If this is a BK thing then I've found another BK Auto GENERAL LEE. :yesnod:
I'm not sure, Skip.. I saw (on another Charger/GL??) the same bars. The pictures were posted here, on the forum, and I was laughing because BK said they MADE these... Post up what you have, because for the life of me I can't remember who/where it was..
Anyways, tonight, for our romantic date night, I took the wife out to dinner, then brought her to the garage where I jammed her in the trunk. It went on for about 2 hours... DOING DYNAMAT you sick puppies!!!! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: The first step is done -- This will then be covered by the next layer of foam/felt with adhesive, then the factory trunk liner.
It helps , because my wife is 4'11" tall and 100 lbs, so she can easily get into the areas that I wouldn't dare...
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This stuff makes a huge difference.. When I locked her in there for the night I could barely hear her screaming on the outside!! :cheers:
Quote from: BKautomotive on November 17, 2008, 04:47:21 PM
Gee, let's weld a couple of cool looking bars under the hood and then brag about how they'll take the torque of the Hemi.. When in reality they are welded to a thin pc of metal known as the FIREWALL. These things have about as much support as a 2X4 would holding up a bridge..
-They are not welded to the firewal. They are welded to a 1/4" steel plate reinforcement on the wirewall. And yes, they are very strong. It has been proven on the track with high hp and high $ cars. these braces are built by XV who produces $250k base model super-muscle cars. Its ridiculous to say they are anything but perfect.[/glow]
In Bondo kings own words...
I dont see XV offering such a kit....hmm mabybe give em a call and see what they say ??? :D
Quote from: FLG on October 24, 2009, 10:32:22 PM
I dont see XV offering such a kit....hmm mabybe give em a call and see what they say ??? :D
you think BK would LIE??? (gasps...) :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Nah,
From what ive read and seen the dude seems like a pretty straight shooter, ya know the tell it like it is kinda guy.
Im sure that 12 year old welded that sh^t up good!! Heck throw some hooks on em and you can use em to lift up the car if need be.
:2thumbs:
Yeah.. If the motor was coming out this winter, those were the first things to go.. Jon can put something in there that actually works.
No doubt.
When i show people his connectors from the top well they gotta go through the rear floor...no worries there but they look at the welds and are amazed. I then show them it form the bottom and there like "DAMN they look factory".
Jeff i can now jack up my car on one side and open both doors just as if it was on the floor....the sure do work. Not only that but when people get in the back its pure comedy!!
Better halfs friend needed a ride, i told her i had no back seat ya gotta sit on the floor...no problemo. She gets in, trips over the connector and falls on the floor. No injuries so i was dying laughing.
That's awesome!! I know they work.. I took my car down an extremely bumpy road the other day. I remember taking it when I first got the car and I thought it was gonna fall apart. Everything but my rear molars was banging/rattling/clunking around.. Now it's as tight as a new vehicle. HUGE difference. I'm sure the bar setup I have plays a part in it, but the sub-frame connectors are awesome!!
I love this shot that Mike sent me.. He worked some of his magic on it!!
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Those Bars are used commonly in race cars as bracing to tighten the chassis up. Magnumforce sells them as
"Forward strut braces" I think they would play a big part in making a very sound Mopar, as long as they were installed correctly.
http://www.magnumforce.com/store/results.asp?CategoryID=54 (http://www.magnumforce.com/store/results.asp?CategoryID=54)
Ron
screwing around at 0300... couldn't sleep. thanks to you I found another cool plug in for photoshop. :2thumbs:
To be honest, your picture is better. I was just having some fun. Can you send a few of those pics again email. Thanks.
Have a nice day.
Very cool Mike, thanks!! I like that!!
Well, I went to what we believe will be the last car show of the season. I met up with an old friend and we parked beside each other..He's got a nicely modified Shelby GT500.. 600 RWHP is right around his corner.. pretty damn cool car!!
One thing that cracks me up is the group of people that this car attracts... :rofl: Let's just say... Rednecks are funny people.. But getting through the 3rd grade shouldn't be an option, and marrying your sister certainly isn't!!!
I won't post them ALL , but here are a few pictures from today...
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Then, after the show, we found a cool field and did a few more pictures...
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Overall it was a GREAT day.. Cruised with the car for hours, hung out with friends and never had a single thing go wrong.. Who could ask for anything more :cheers: :cheers:
Nice cars I'll take the one on the right... but if it was an orphan I would take the one on the left too :icon_smile_big: :drive:
Damn, I drove by that show at Southeastern Regional HS on my way to Blue Hills this afternoon and wondered if you were going to be there. I wish I could have dropped in as it looked like a fairly significant show.
I know you haven't disclosed the cost but do the boys know how many hours to put that car right. :shruggy:
btw the pictures look hot
Quote from: Bluestar on October 25, 2009, 08:42:49 PM
Damn, I drove by that show at Southeastern Regional HS on my way to Blue Hills this afternoon and wondered if you were going to be there. I wish I could have dropped in as it looked like a fairly significant show.
It's ok, there's one more week left (this Sunday!).
Quote from: d/ur/t on October 25, 2009, 10:18:39 PM
I know you haven't disclosed the cost but do the buys no how many hours to put that car right. :shruggy:
I'll have to find out. One of the guys at the shop, alone, has well over 400 hours. I'll try to find the total between the 3 guys.
Quote from: mikepmcs on October 25, 2009, 06:54:19 AM
screwing around at 0300... couldn't sleep. thanks to you I found another cool plug in for photoshop. :2thumbs:
To be honest, your picture is better. I was just having some fun. Can you send a few of those pics again email. Thanks.
Have a nice day.
WOW Mike great work. That is a beautiful picture.
JB, love the two cars together. I dont mind them there fords at all.... But would take the general there if given the option..... :2thumbs:
OK guys -- The arm rests have been spoken for.. I'll take pictures of the next items that are up on the chopping block.. Free of charge, you just pay shipping :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
Quote from: Neal_J on October 23, 2009, 10:22:36 AM
Jeff:
It's great that you're spreading the love with the leftover parts.
If these are old BK parts, I think we need some sort of exorcism to shed the bad part-karma. We need to sacrifice a chicken or a virgin or something. I don't have a chicken. Where's Cody?
I was away for the weekend when the armrest's were posted. I don't have much money to cover shipping for other parts anyways so I'm gonna have to sadly bow out for now :'(
I'll take the MSD dist. and gears now Jeff. :icon_smile_big: You need to bring that car out here in March for Mopars at the strip. :2thumbs: If you ship it early, I'll store it for you in my garage. :yesnod: No charge !
Quote from: 69bronzeT5 on October 27, 2009, 09:04:17 PM
Quote from: Neal_J on October 23, 2009, 10:22:36 AM
Jeff:
It's great that you're spreading the love with the leftover parts.
If these are old BK parts, I think we need some sort of exorcism to shed the bad part-karma. We need to sacrifice a chicken or a virgin or something. I don't have a chicken. Where's Cody?
I was away for the weekend when the armrest's were posted. I don't have much money to cover shipping for other parts anyways so I'm gonna have to sadly bow out for now :'(
Don't worry, there will be other things.. I'll take care of you if there's something you want.
Quote from: skip68 on October 27, 2009, 09:26:33 PM
I'll take the MSD dist. and gears now Jeff. :icon_smile_big: You need to bring that car out here in March for Mopars at the strip. :2thumbs: If you ship it early, I'll store it for you in my garage. :yesnod: No charge !
Wow, you're such a nice guy, Chuck!!
jeff if you have anything that fits on a 68 you should donate it to this guy
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,63114.0.html Wow
Quote from: moparstuart on October 30, 2009, 01:40:29 PM
jeff if you have anything that fits on a 68 you should donate it to this guy
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,63114.0.html Wow
:o
I don't think I have much that would help him out
I had the car out today, for what will probably be the last time this season. I LOVE these shots, and wanted to share them...
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Believe it or not, the wife is in the car "hiding"
What the hell Jeff ? ? ? Is your wife not good enough for us ? If she is good enough for you, she's good enough for us. :yesnod: Come on now...... :shruggy: You can send me a picture of her, I'll look it over and if I think it's good I'll share it... :drool5: :scratchchin: Go ahead and have her put something red on......lean against the push bar........ :scratchchin: Then hold a picture of me up so she'll smile. :nana: :rofl: The car looks B-E-A-U-T-I-F-U-L.....
WOW,,,,,, Chuck is sure full of himself tonight...... :rofl: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol:
Quote from: skip68 on October 31, 2009, 07:15:23 PM
:scratchchin: Go ahead and have her put something red on......lean against the push bar........ :scratchchin: Then hold a picture of me up so she'll smile. :nana: :rofl:
:smilielol:
Quote from: skip68 on October 31, 2009, 07:15:23 PM
What the hell Jeff ? ? ? Is your wife not good enough for us ? If she is good enough for you, she's good enough for us. :yesnod: Come on now...... :shruggy: You can send me a picture of her, I'll look it over and if I think it's good I'll share it... :drool5: :scratchchin: Go ahead and have her put something red on......lean against the push bar........ :scratchchin: Then hold a picture of me up so she'll smile. :nana: :rofl: The car looks B-E-A-U-T-I-F-U-L.....
Ya know what's funny? If I did you'd be asking for more... So....... On the assumption that it wouldn't be possible to make you happy, I can't oblige...
I will, however, post up a pic of her dressed as Daisy Duke for a Halloween party ... Just give me a few.
Well here ya go, Chuck.. She's got something Red on!!
I blurred the face to protect the innocent (mostly ME, she'd murder me if she knew this was up here).. It also protects against future chops.
Sorry the pic's so small, but it's how it saved.
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:o She looks just like I thought she would. :scratchchin: I hope your kids have your eyes. :rotz: :nana:
Quote from: skip68 on November 01, 2009, 10:19:33 AM
:o She looks just like I thought she would. :scratchchin: I hope your kids have your eyes. :rotz: :nana:
LOL! Believe me, they have her features, thank God.
You are a lucky dude! :2thumbs:
Quote from: jb666 on October 30, 2009, 03:52:26 PM
Quote from: moparstuart on October 30, 2009, 01:40:29 PM
jeff if you have anything that fits on a 68 you should donate it to this guy
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,63114.0.html Wow
:o
I don't think I have much that would help him out
Thanks guy's of thinking of me, but for now my best best friend will be AMD :smilielol: :smilielol:
Very nice looking car you have now, BK AUTO needs to get some good lessons from ""
Belgium R/T -68"" Guy , now THAT is how you restor a Car :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
Quote from: john.v on November 01, 2009, 10:54:36 AM
Quote from: jb666 on October 30, 2009, 03:52:26 PM
Quote from: moparstuart on October 30, 2009, 01:40:29 PM
jeff if you have anything that fits on a 68 you should donate it to this guy
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,63114.0.html Wow
:o
I don't think I have much that would help him out
Thanks guy's of thinking of me, but for now my best best friend will be AMD :smilielol: :smilielol:
Very nice looking car you have now, BK AUTO needs to get some good lessons from ""Belgium R/T -68"" Guy , now THAT is how you restor a Car :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
I'm on a first name basis with AMD :rofl:
Good luck with the car, I'm looking forward to watching your process.
Quote from: b5blue on November 01, 2009, 10:29:39 AM
You are a lucky dude! :2thumbs:
Thanks, I tend to think so too :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
I love that stance. The one on the Charger looks good too. :2thumbs:
Quote from: bull on November 01, 2009, 11:07:07 AM
I love that stance. The one on the Charger looks good too. :2thumbs:
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The new pics of the charger look great. You are really starting to get the hang of that camera. I'm gonna have to step it up a notch. Cameras are fun. ;D
Thanks Mike!!!
Saw the coolest thing today.. I don't think I've ever seen rubber this thick under a car before.. But, leave it to Jon (on his racecar) to prove me wrong!!
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All over the wheelie bars!!
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We even peeled off a slab!!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_4154Medium.jpg)
And all this so my car could be back to the shop that ALMOST ONE YEAR AGO to the day my entire nightmare began!!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_4156Medium.jpg)
:2thumbs:
Rubber makes for good undercoating. :icon_smile_big:
Quote from: mikepmcs on November 01, 2009, 05:08:16 PM
:2thumbs:
Rubber makes for good undercoating. :icon_smile_big:
Too funny, another buddy of mine just said the exact same thing to me!!!
Funny, I was just googling "Hemi General Lee" to see if any of the pictures would show up (yet).. And this was on page 1..
http://americandreamcars.com/1969charger070508.htm
I thought "Wow, this thing sounds nice!" :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Dam Jeff, that car looks like a good deal. :yesnod: And, it was built by a resto shop. :2thumbs: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol:
Quote from: skip68 on November 02, 2009, 04:49:44 PM
Dam Jeff, that car looks like a good deal. :yesnod: And, it was built by a resto shop. :2thumbs: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol:
Yeah! The wife just says to me "Hey, it's too bad you didn't click HAVE THIS CAR INSPECTED" :brickwall: Yeah, THANKS A LOT HONEY!!! :hah: :slap:
I told her, twice, what I thought of that joke!
(http://inchindeep.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/battered_woman_1_large_50.jpg)
:o
:o Jeff, You need to fix those stairs so you wife quits falling down them.
Wow Jeff....that's all I can say :2thumbs:
Well, the BK saga IS STILL NOT OVER....... :icon_smile_blackeye:
The car went back to Jon's yesterday because the alternator took a crap.. not their problem...
What IS their problem are the gauges Jon's pulling out .. Loose wires on the back of the "Alternator" gauge sparking up a storm back there... A power steering pulley that was about to fall off the car (yes, they did the serpentine belt conversion), and more wiring crap under the dash that only a "trained professional" would have done..
Anyways, when it leaves Jon's this time, I can honestly say there will not be one nut, bolt or wire that was left-over from the BK job...
Quote from: jb666 on November 02, 2009, 05:56:24 PM
Well, the BK saga IS STILL NOT OVER....... :icon_smile_blackeye:
The car went back to Jon's yesterday because the alternator took a crap.. not their problem...
What IS their problem are the gauges Jon's pulling out .. Loose wires on the back of the "Alternator" gauge sparking up a storm back there... A power steering pulley that was about to fall off the car (yes, they did the serpentine belt conversion), and more wiring crap under the dash that only a "trained professional" would have done..
Anyways, when it leaves Jon's this time, I can honestly say there will not be one nut, bolt or wire that was left-over from the BK job...
I guess that's what happens when you leave one stone unturned.....bastards. Did you ever change the air in the tires? :shruggy:
Quote from: The70RT on November 02, 2009, 07:33:04 PM
Quote from: jb666 on November 02, 2009, 05:56:24 PM
Well, the BK saga IS STILL NOT OVER....... :icon_smile_blackeye:
The car went back to Jon's yesterday because the alternator took a crap.. not their problem...
What IS their problem are the gauges Jon's pulling out .. Loose wires on the back of the "Alternator" gauge sparking up a storm back there... A power steering pulley that was about to fall off the car (yes, they did the serpentine belt conversion), and more wiring crap under the dash that only a "trained professional" would have done..
Anyways, when it leaves Jon's this time, I can honestly say there will not be one nut, bolt or wire that was left-over from the BK job...
I guess that's what happens when you leave one stone unturned.....bastards. Did you ever change the air in the tires? :shruggy:
Damn it! NO. I'll do that ASAP. They probably filled the tires with helium.
Or PROPANE....
Ok, thanks to some of Jon's magic work, I no longer have to worry about faulty electrical items.. He found shorts, loose wires and a few potential fire hazards.. And turned the whole mess of non-working gauges into a nice custom cluster of AutoMeter Phantom gauges. I LOVE the looks of them. As usual, he did an awesome job.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/IMG00021-20091103-1511Medium.jpg)
:2thumbs: Looks sweet.
Jon just told me Christmas was coming early... A nice 1342 HP surprise will be planted under my hood in place of that wimpy Hemi.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/GLEngineMedium.jpg)
:cheers: :cheers: What a guy!!!!
You can send me that wimpy Hemi, I'd be glad to take that boat anchor off your hands! :nana: The gauges looks awesome by the way dude :cheers:
Man, that car is going to be running like a champ now :coolgleamA:
Jeff, if I pay the shipping can I have the HEMI ? :yesnod: I'll say it in public... I love you Jeff. :pity:
Quote from: skip68 on November 03, 2009, 09:57:15 PM
Jeff, if I pay the shipping can I have the HEMI ? :yesnod: I'll say it in public... I love you Jeff. :pity:
Just a heads up Chuckie...it might disappear when I come for the MATS :whistling: :lol:
HOLY MOLY! One thing for sure though. The car will be strong enough to take the punishment that motor would give it due to all the superb work that has been done by both shops!!
Those gauges look incredible. :2thumbs: :icon_smile_big:
Your putting a BBC in your Charger?
Quote from: skip68 on November 03, 2009, 09:57:15 PM
Jeff, if I pay the shipping can I have the HEMI ? :yesnod: I'll say it in public... I love you Jeff. :pity:
:slap:
Quote from: mikepmcs on November 04, 2009, 06:40:05 AM
HOLY MOLY! One thing for sure though. The car will be strong enough to take the punishment that motor would give it due to all the superb work that has been done by both shops!!
Those gauges look incredible. :2thumbs: :icon_smile_big:
They do! I can't wait to see it in person and actually have WORKING GAUGES!!
Quote from: captnsim on November 04, 2009, 11:50:21 AM
Your putting a BBC in your Charger?
:rofl: Originally, before buying this "freshly restored car", I planned on buying a roller and planting a 572 under the hood, just to piss off the purists... But I found this gem instead.
Evil Jeff...Just plain evil. :slap:
ur putting a BBC in your charger?
Quote from: RD on November 04, 2009, 03:13:15 PM
ur putting a BBC in your charger?
jeff has totally lost it :shruggy: :slap:
:o looks like a nascar dodge truck motor :scratchchin: :popcrn:
Nascar uses a small block 340...
Quote from: moparstuart on November 04, 2009, 03:34:24 PM
Quote from: RD on November 04, 2009, 03:13:15 PM
ur putting a BBC in your charger?
jeff has totally lost it :shruggy: :slap:
A looooooooooooooooong time ago, buddy... A long time ago.
Quote from: tan top on November 04, 2009, 04:03:04 PM
:o looks like a nascar dodge truck motor :scratchchin: :popcrn:
:lol: Nope.. It's the motor out of Jon's 8 second monster.
BTW, forgot to post this last week when I hung the door. I got it from Bill440 and LOVE the thing... :cheers: :cheers:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/photo-4.jpg)
Quote from: jb666 on October 24, 2009, 10:49:12 PM
That's awesome!! I know they work.. I took my car down an extremely bumpy road the other day. I remember taking it when I first got the car and I thought it was gonna fall apart. Everything but my rear molars was banging/rattling/clunking around.. Now it's as tight as a new vehicle. HUGE difference. I'm sure the bar setup I have plays a part in it, but the sub-frame connectors are awesome!!
I love this shot that Mike sent me.. He worked some of his magic on it!!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_3874Medium-1.jpg)
real sexy where is the family photo with the car....???? let me know when your headed toward ny and we can get together......it would be really cool....Pete
You've got it, Pete.. I head to NY every 3 months, but for work..
As for family photos.. Those are few and far between as it is.. Kids are 17 and 20.. You think they want to hang out and cruise with us?? :rofl: Although, my younger daughter is really cool and loves to hit the car shows with us.. I'm thankful for that. :cheers:
Got a call from Jon tonight.. The gauges are 100% done and I guess they look awesome! I'll be down there tomorrow afternoon to get the car, weather permitting. :cheers:
Sweet Jeff!
Remind Jon about my email LOL!
Or if he dosnt mind me calling him, just throw me his #.
We will meet up before the white stuff hits, dont worry!
Quote from: FLG on November 05, 2009, 06:18:55 PM
Sweet Jeff!
Remind Jon about my email LOL!
Or if he dosnt mind me calling him, just throw me his #.
We will meet up before the white stuff hits, dont worry!
You've got it, Frank. Although I'm pretty sure you just did ;)
I can't wait to get down and pick up my car tomorrow.. Jon just emailed me and said he's got the gauges 100% done and the carb tuned to the point that HE is happy with it, which is saying a lot since he's a perfectionist.. :yesnod:
Just in time to tuck it away for the winter (after one last weekend of cruising the 60 degree days!).
So Frank... I'm afraid you may be limiting yourself to this/next weekend before it's "all over"...
What a day!!
What a ride!!
But OH, what an ass!!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/Closeup.jpg)
I love this car from every angle, but there's something about the way it looks from behind!!
:o
That was so Ford and Chevy owners could enjoy them too. :icon_smile_wink:
love wide asses
I'd hit that... :drool5:
Looks nice Jeff. Now, about that HEMI.... Can I have it now ? ? ? ? ? :-*
Ummmmm,,, Don't think so.... :slap:
Quote from: skip68 on November 08, 2009, 01:12:43 AM
Looks nice Jeff. Now, about that HEMI.... Can I have it now ? ? ? ? ? :-*
Will you stop it! You're like the little kid sitting in the back seat yelling "Are we there yet?!?!" :brickwall: :icon_smile_big:
BTW, just got my truck back from installing almost 10" of lift, and took this aerial photo today (from my 3rd floor deck w/zoom).
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/Chuck/DSC_4228Medium.jpg)
Eh, Just bored I guess :lol:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/Chuck/photo.jpg)
The charger is looking down right great man! :coolgleamA:
I also like the look's of your truck to with that hight. The tires set it off nice I might add :2thumbs:
Thanks Jim :cheers:
Love that shot Jeff! The car looks great. The truck ain't too bad either.....for a chevy..lol
Quote from: teamroth on November 09, 2009, 09:49:31 PM
Love that shot Jeff! The car looks great. The truck ain't too bad either.....for a chevy..lol
Well, I came to the conclusion tonight that I'm either:
A. Seriously overcompensating for something (think about the stereotypes with the Vettes & Trucks with big tires)
Or
B. I'm one of the biggest rednecks in the NorthEast...
:popcrn:
Quote from: jb666 on November 07, 2009, 06:49:31 PM
What a day!!
What a ride!!
But OH, what an ass!!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/Closeup.jpg)
I love this car from every angle, but there's something about the way it looks from behind!!
:o
It's the sunken rear window, plus the wide hips :yesnod: nothing else like it on the road.
Quote from: Charger440RDN on November 09, 2009, 09:54:01 PM
Quote from: jb666 on November 07, 2009, 06:49:31 PM
What a day!!
What a ride!!
But OH, what an ass!!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/Closeup.jpg)
I love this car from every angle, but there's something about the way it looks from behind!!
:o
It's the sunken rear window, plus the wide hips :yesnod: nothing else like it on the road.
There sure isn't.. One of the sexiest cars on the road, IMO :Twocents:
Quote from: jb666 on November 09, 2009, 09:52:33 PM
Quote from: teamroth on November 09, 2009, 09:49:31 PM
Love that shot Jeff! The car looks great. The truck ain't too bad either.....for a chevy..lol
Well, I came to the conclusion tonight that I'm either:
A. Seriously overcompensating for something (think about the stereotypes with the Vettes & Trucks with big tires)
Or
B. I'm one of the biggest rednecks in the NorthEast...
:popcrn:
It's up for debate.... :smilielol:
Quote from: jb666 on November 09, 2009, 05:09:48 PM
Quote from: skip68 on November 08, 2009, 01:12:43 AM
Looks nice Jeff. Now, about that HEMI.... Can I have it now ? ? ? ? ? :-*
Will you stop it! You're like the little kid sitting in the back seat yelling "Are we there yet?!?!" :brickwall: :icon_smile_big:
BTW, just got my truck back from installing almost 10" of lift, and took this aerial photo today (from my 3rd floor deck w/zoom).
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/Chuck/DSC_4228Medium.jpg)
Eh, Just bored I guess :lol:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/Chuck/photo.jpg)
jeff you f'd up man the truck should be on it's guts dude like 16inches lower.I got that from my 17 year old.it's all the rage.lol
Quote from: skip68 on November 08, 2009, 01:12:43 AM
Looks nice Jeff. Now, about that HEMI.... Can I have it now ? ? ? ? ? :-*
Damn Chuck.....what did you do for Jeff through this ordeal anyway? You seem pretty persistent :laugh:
Quote from: d/ur/t on November 10, 2009, 11:58:58 PM
jeff you f'd up man the truck should be on it's guts dude like 16inches lower.I got that from my 17 year old.it's all the rage.lol
Nah man, I really don't like the lowered look on trucks.. I had a 1996 Dodge Indy Ram that I built up nicely... But when I had a 6" drop kit put in it KILLED the ride, and I got rid of the truck.. I still regret that....
I even painted my 'Maro to match..
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/Chuck/DCP01243Large.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/Chuck/DCP01249Large.jpg)
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So... No more lowered trucks for me.. I'll take my two redneck mobiles any day :lol:
Quote from: The70RT on November 11, 2009, 01:02:04 PM
Quote from: skip68 on November 08, 2009, 01:12:43 AM
Looks nice Jeff. Now, about that HEMI.... Can I have it now ? ? ? ? ? :-*
Damn Chuck.....what did you do for Jeff through this ordeal anyway? You seem pretty persistent :laugh:
Chuck's always looking for hand outs. Isn't enough I named my daughter after him.. Poor little girl's gotta go through life being called CHUCK, but that's still not enough :brickwall:
Quote from: jb666 on November 11, 2009, 06:03:08 PM
Quote from: d/ur/t on November 10, 2009, 11:58:58 PM
jeff you f'd up man the truck should be on it's guts dude like 16inches lower.I got that from my 17 year old.it's all the rage.lol
Nah man, I really don't like the lowered look on trucks.. I had a 1996 Dodge Indy Ram that I built up nicely... But when I had a 6" drop kit put in it KILLED the ride, and I got rid of the truck.. I still regret that....
I even painted my 'Maro to match..
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/Chuck/DCP01243Large.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/Chuck/DCP01249Large.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/Chuck/DCP01251.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/Chuck/DCP01252.jpg)
So... No more lowered trucks for me.. I'll take my two redneck mobiles any day :lol:
Quote from: The70RT on November 11, 2009, 01:02:04 PM
Quote from: skip68 on November 08, 2009, 01:12:43 AM
Looks nice Jeff. Now, about that HEMI.... Can I have it now ? ? ? ? ? :-*
Damn Chuck.....what did you do for Jeff through this ordeal anyway? You seem pretty persistent :laugh:
Chuck's always looking for hand outs. Isn't enough I named my daughter after him.. Poor little girl's gotta go through life being called CHUCK, but that's still not enough :brickwall:
You painted a Dodge and a Chevy with the same paint scheme? even Gay people would call that "Gay" :D
LOL!!!
SHHHHH, he plans to do the same thing again with this chebby.... :pity:
Quote from: FLG on November 11, 2009, 07:57:54 PM
LOL!!!
SHHHHH, he plans to do the same thing again with this chebby.... :pity:
You mean with an 01 right :lol:
Quote from: jb666 on November 09, 2009, 09:57:40 PM
Quote from: Charger440RDN on November 09, 2009, 09:54:01 PM
Quote from: jb666 on November 07, 2009, 06:49:31 PM
What a day!!
What a ride!!
But OH, what an ass!!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/Closeup.jpg)
I love this car from every angle, but there's something about the way it looks from behind!!
:o
It's the sunken rear window, plus the wide hips :yesnod: nothing else like it on the road.
There sure isn't.. One of the sexiest cars on the road, IMO :Twocents:
Was there ever a doubt?
Must be turning that dodge is sweet. :smilielol:
Quote from: Back N Black on November 11, 2009, 07:43:26 PM
Quote from: jb666 on November 11, 2009, 06:03:08 PM
Quote from: d/ur/t on November 10, 2009, 11:58:58 PM
jeff you f'd up man the truck should be on it's guts dude like 16inches lower.I got that from my 17 year old.it's all the rage.lol
Nah man, I really don't like the lowered look on trucks.. I had a 1996 Dodge Indy Ram that I built up nicely... But when I had a 6" drop kit put in it KILLED the ride, and I got rid of the truck.. I still regret that....
I even painted my 'Maro to match..
So... No more lowered trucks for me.. I'll take my two redneck mobiles any day :lol:
Quote from: The70RT on November 11, 2009, 01:02:04 PM
Quote from: skip68 on November 08, 2009, 01:12:43 AM
Looks nice Jeff. Now, about that HEMI.... Can I have it now ? ? ? ? ? :-*
Damn Chuck.....what did you do for Jeff through this ordeal anyway? You seem pretty persistent :laugh:
Chuck's always looking for hand outs. Isn't enough I named my daughter after him.. Poor little girl's gotta go through life being called CHUCK, but that's still not enough :brickwall:
You painted a Dodge and a Chevy with the same paint scheme? even Gay people would call that "Gay" :D
Eh, who cares what they'd call it, I thought it was cool :lol: .. The Camaro was a different shade of Blue, and that was a factory paint job on the Dodge.. :icon_smile_big:
Quote from: d/ur/t on November 11, 2009, 11:50:44 PM
Must be turning that dodge is sweet. :smilielol:
if that's the case, there was a LOT of gay peeps out there cause when I was pulling that with the Dodge I got lots of cool comments...
Anyways, back on topic... Yes, I had a mullet when I owned the Blue car.. It just fit the image.
Hey Jeff,
You didnt have any affliations with "The Village People" did you?? :pity:
why yes, I do!! I know how eager you've been to meet the remaining members.. I'll hook you up!
Well, the BK curse continues!! (sort of). I haven't been able to cruise with the car for the past two weekends (last weekend's weather was awesome!) because the alternator died.. As did the one that came from Summit (March single wire high output serp pulley, so it's not an off the shelf unit). So I'm 0-2. :brickwall: I had to drive home from Jon's shop last weekend with my jumper pack hooked up to the battery, in the trunk, because my volts dipped below 7...
I know most have put their cars away all ready, around here, but I don't see why.. No snow, no sale.. Perfect cruising temps.. :shruggy:
Oh well, the new alternator will be here on Tuesday (Summit was AWESOME with this exchange) and hopefully I'll get one last weekend before the snow starts to fall.
Jeff, did you bench test BOTH alternators?? There is a GREAT right up on auto electric written by a place called MAD AUTO ELECTRIC, (I think). I use to have the link but since all these problems with my computer I have lost everything. "AGAIN"... :flame: :flame: :flame:
Do a google search for mad auto electric. Even if you don't follow their wiring advice it is a great read. :2thumbs:
Quote from: Steve P. on November 15, 2009, 10:03:38 PM
Jeff, did you bench test BOTH alternators?? There is a GREAT right up on auto electric written by a place called MAD AUTO ELECTRIC, (I think). I use to have the link but since all these problems with my computer I have lost everything. "AGAIN"... :flame: :flame: :flame:
Do a google search for mad auto electric. Even if you don't follow their wiring advice it is a great read. :2thumbs:
Hey Steve... Yep.. Both were tested. Alternator #1 has a bad regulator. Alternator #2 has a bad rotor. They were going to try to take parts from #1 to get #2 working, but I figured at that point I was pushing my luck and playing with fire, so I decided to use #2 as a backup (once it's rebuilt) and use the new unit.
The guy said the alternator I got from Summit was a "whore in a prom dress". Had "40 year old guts and a nice shiny case!". :slap: But since Summit sent out the replacement at no cost to me, I have nothing to lose but time.
As for the wiring.. Jon's gone through it head to toe, and there's no one better than him, IMO, to do such a job. The guy can do what he did on my car in his sleep (based on some of the projects I've seen come out of his shop), so I have no doubts it's all fine. :cheers: :cheers:
:scratchchin: Soooooo, any idea how much the shipping will be for the HEMI ? I would like to have it before March if it's possible. :2thumbs: Thanks Jeff. :cheers:
That sounds like some alternators and starters from Advanced auto. I found sand in the box and found out it was blasted and painted and sent back to the states as rebuilt ::)
Quote from: skip68 on November 16, 2009, 12:57:56 PM
:scratchchin: Soooooo, any idea how much the shipping will be for the HEMI ? I would like to have it before March if it's possible. :2thumbs: Thanks Jeff. :cheers:
Chuck I'm waiting for a quote to come back from UPS on the shipping.. I'd hate to mis-quote you.
Quote from: The70RT on November 16, 2009, 02:22:13 PM
That sounds like some alternators and starters from Advanced auto. I found sand in the box and found out it was blasted and painted and sent back to the states as rebuilt ::)
Yeah, I agree.. The guy who's rebuilding alternator #2 said that the rotor was an original from 1969.. Nice to find that in a freakin' $400 alternator :slap:
Quote from: jb666 on November 16, 2009, 06:58:58 PM
Quote from: skip68 on November 16, 2009, 12:57:56 PM
:scratchchin: Soooooo, any idea how much the shipping will be for the HEMI ? I would like to have it before March if it's possible. :2thumbs: Thanks Jeff. :cheers:
Chuck I'm waiting for a quote to come back from UPS on the shipping.. I'd hate to mis-quote you.
Boy, I would hate to see that quote! :scared: :lol:
Quote from: The70RT on November 16, 2009, 02:22:13 PM
That sounds like some alternators and starters from Advanced auto. I found sand in the box and found out it was blasted and painted and sent back to the states as rebuilt ::)
Yeah, I agree.. The guy who's rebuilding alternator #2 said that the rotor was an original from 1969.. Nice to find that in a freakin' $400 alternator :slap:
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I agree with both of you on this, I bought one about 8 years ago, was pose to be brand new to find out it was a rebuilt one ::). So I know how you both feel on that.
Honestly, I haven't looked back over the thread to see what alt you have, but I highly recommend updating to a modern alt, not just a high amp version of a stocker in a shiny case. all the amps in the world aren't going to help a stock type 60's/70's alt charge well at idle. plus you are guaranteed to get new parts with a new alt for a newer car...or at least parts that are not as old.
check out the one I did years ago. it's a 130 amp denso and it's dual field, externally regulated like your stock alt. mine went right into my stock 440 brackets. had to cut one spacer down a bit. I did this 7 years ago and it's one of the best mods I ever did.
http://www.moparchat.com/forums/showthread.php?t=61642
Quote from: dkn1997 on November 18, 2009, 05:13:44 PM
Honestly, I haven't looked back over the thread to see what alt you have, but I highly recommend updating to a modern alt, not just a high amp version of a stocker in a shiny case. all the amps in the world aren't going to help a stock type 60's/70's alt charge well at idle. plus you are guaranteed to get new parts with a new alt for a newer car...or at least parts that are not as old.
check out the one I did years ago. it's a 130 amp denso and it's dual field, externally regulated like your stock alt. mine went right into my stock 440 brackets. had to cut one spacer down a bit. I did this 7 years ago and it's one of the best mods I ever did.
http://www.moparchat.com/forums/showthread.php?t=61642
I was considering that (and still may), but right now I needed something that fit right into place so I could get some road time.. I have all after market brackets/pulleys... One thing that sucks is the new alternator that just arrived has the regulator on the back side.. It is up against the motor when it's installed properly, so that'll have to be relocated... Odd because alternator #1 that came from Summit had the regulator on the side.. Oh well.
The funniest part is when I was putting the alternator in I decided to check the bolts holding the rest of the brackets in place (hex head) and they were all finger tight.. What's odd about this? THE CAR IS CURSED because they were all tight two weeks ago!!!!!!! Time for some LocTite.
Well, the car is either cursed by the place down south. Just when you think you got everything on that car fix something always comes up on that car not working right all a sudden. I'm starting to think like you that, that car is cursed by BK. I hope you get all the bugs ironed out of it though. Good luck at it.
Quote from: jb666 on November 18, 2009, 06:47:48 PM
Quote from: dkn1997 on November 18, 2009, 05:13:44 PM
Honestly, I haven't looked back over the thread to see what alt you have, but I highly recommend updating to a modern alt, not just a high amp version of a stocker in a shiny case. all the amps in the world aren't going to help a stock type 60's/70's alt charge well at idle. plus you are guaranteed to get new parts with a new alt for a newer car...or at least parts that are not as old.
check out the one I did years ago. it's a 130 amp denso and it's dual field, externally regulated like your stock alt. mine went right into my stock 440 brackets. had to cut one spacer down a bit. I did this 7 years ago and it's one of the best mods I ever did.
http://www.moparchat.com/forums/showthread.php?t=61642
I was considering that (and still may), but right now I needed something that fit right into place so I could get some road time.. I have all after market brackets/pulleys... One thing that sucks is the new alternator that just arrived has the regulator on the back side.. It is up against the motor when it's installed properly, so that'll have to be relocated... Odd because alternator #1 that came from Summit had the regulator on the side.. Oh well.
The funniest part is when I was putting the alternator in I decided to check the bolts holding the rest of the brackets in place (hex head) and they were all finger tight.. What's odd about this? THE CAR IS CURSED because they were all tight two weeks ago!!!!!!! Time for some LocTite.
when I was putting the alternator in I decided to check the bolts
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:o You work on your own car ? ? ? ? :o :o :o :o :o
Quote from: skip68 on November 19, 2009, 12:30:54 AM
:o You work on your own car ? ? ? ? :o :o :o :o :o
This coming from a guy who had to have his motor rebuilt after trying to change some spark plugs :hah: My advice to you is to NOT work on your own car :lol: :slap:
It's ok , Chuckie, I expect some crap outa you, especially since I gave the Hemi to Frank :cheers: :cheers:
Now go back under your rock!!
And I'll have a couple of last minute cool additions to the car before it gets tucked away for the winter.. Stay tuned. :popcrn:
:cheers: :cheers:
Thanks for the Hemi Jeff. I will be picking it up this weekend, Mike you can bring the pumpkin too :2thumbs:
:2thumbs:
Quote from: FLG on November 19, 2009, 07:00:21 PM
:cheers: :cheers:
Thanks for the Hemi Jeff. I will be picking it up this weekend, Mike you can bring the pumpkin too :2thumbs:
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No problem Frank. Thanks for not being a pesky jackass like some people. :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
I'm all over it. ::)
Quote from: mikepmcs on November 19, 2009, 07:05:41 PM
I'm all over it. ::)
Ya know..... That ::) dude to me is like one of my teenage daughter's saying "WHATEVER, Dad!!" :brickwall:
No guessing with that emoticon. ::) :icon_smile_cool: :yesnod:
Quote from: jb666 on November 19, 2009, 07:03:13 PM
Quote from: FLG on November 19, 2009, 07:00:21 PM
:cheers: :cheers:
Thanks for the Hemi Jeff. I will be picking it up this weekend, Mike you can bring the pumpkin too :2thumbs:
:2thumbs:
No problem Frank. Thanks for not being a pesky jackass like some people. :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
Well....I have a feeling a growing man will cry tonight (Chuckie) :smilielol:
Quote from: 69bronzeT5 on November 19, 2009, 07:11:21 PM
Quote from: jb666 on November 19, 2009, 07:03:13 PM
Quote from: FLG on November 19, 2009, 07:00:21 PM
:cheers: :cheers:
Thanks for the Hemi Jeff. I will be picking it up this weekend, Mike you can bring the pumpkin too :2thumbs:
:2thumbs:
No problem Frank. Thanks for not being a pesky jackass like some people. :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
Well....I have a feeling a growing man will cry tonight (Chuckie) :smilielol:
:smilielol: Chuckie putting some weight on these days?? :rofl:
Quote from: mikepmcs on November 19, 2009, 07:09:52 PM
No guessing with that emoticon. ::) :icon_smile_cool: :yesnod:
:'(
:smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol:
My bad!!!! Grown! ;)
:'( So, that's how it is huh ? I never had to have my engine rebuilt. :slap: Not yet. In fact, I even put in the msd6al box myself without a fire. I read Mikes thread on his 7al install and some others and got it done. I do have a small electical issue now that has got me stumped since the box. It seems like my voltage is all over (up & down) since I put in the box. :shruggy:
P.S. Enjoy the HEMI Frank you big fat POOP ! :nana:
He said poop. ;D
Quote from: skip68 on November 19, 2009, 07:31:07 PM
:'( So, that's how it is huh ? I never had to have my engine rebuilt. :slap: Not yet. In fact, I even put in the msd6al box myself without a fire. I read Mikes thread on his 7al install and some others and got it done. I do have a small electical issue now that has got me stumped since the box. It seems like my voltage is all over (up & down) since I put in the box. :shruggy:
P.S. Enjoy the HEMI Frank you big fat POOP ! :nana:
I do recall you doing SOMETHING and Mrs Skip giving you a load of crap cause you busted your car up.. The details are a bit foggy. But, like peeing in the wind, it'll come back to me.
Hey CHUCK, weren't you an electrician by trade?? ?? ?? :icon_smile_blackeye:
You can get the wiring schematic on line from MSD.
Jeff, the MAD ELECTRICAL stuff is worth the read. Maybe once you've put the car away and get itchy thinking about a nice warm day of cruising.... Hahaha.......
That's the sad thing, I do know electrical. :smilielol: Just not automotive. :rofl: I have it wired correct and it works great but it's back feeding somehow in the ignition. Jeff, which time did I mess something up? :rofl: Was it the distributor, tranny, waterpump, tranny lines, carb, fan, heater hoses, speedo cable, exhaust, kick down linkage, block sanding, turn signal switch, U-joint caps, fuel line, shifting linkage, shifter, rocker adjusting, bad steering box mistake, carpet kit, :shruggy: :rofl: I can go on and on. You see Jeff, this is how you learn. VegasMike calls me "Tink" because I keep messing with stuff and screw it up.
Quote from: skip68 on November 19, 2009, 09:23:28 PM
That's the sad thing, I do know electrical. :smilielol: Just not automotive. :rofl: I have it wired correct and it works great but it's back feeding somehow in the ignition. Jeff, which time did I mess something up? :rofl: Was it the distributor, tranny, waterpump, tranny lines, carb, fan, heater hoses, speedo cable, exhaust, kick down linkage, block sanding, turn signal switch, U-joint caps, fuel line, shifting linkage, shifter, rocker adjusting, bad steering box mistake, carpet kit, :shruggy: :rofl: I can go on and on. You see Jeff, this is how you learn. VegasMike calls me "Tink" because I keep messing with stuff and screw it up.
It's all good, Chuckie.. You're a lot braver than me. I respect the fact that you'll dig into a lot of that.. When I was younger, that stuff was never a problem, but I've turned into a lazy dependent person in my days :rofl: I think it's the fact that I've been left stranded by so many of my "repairs" that it's just cheaper (tow, second fix, etc..) and easier to pay someone to do it!!! :hah:
I knew you were an electrical mad man.. That's an awesome trade :cheers:
The block sanding was stupid. I kept reading and had some guys tell me that I have to do the block sanding before the paint or it will look like crap. :flame: So I did. Before it went to paint I spent about 7 or 8 hours sanding my engine block. :shruggy: After the car was painted the body still looked like crap POOP. :flame: That whole block sanding stuff did nothing for the body. ;)
Quote from: skip68 on November 19, 2009, 09:31:32 PM
The block sanding was stupid. I kept reading and had some guys tell me that I have to do the block sanding before the paint or it will look like crap. :flame: So I did. Before it went to paint I spent about 7 or 8 hours sanding my engine block. :shruggy: After the car was painted the body still looked like crap POOP. :flame: That whole block sanding stuff did nothing for the body. ;)
You should contact Thomas Schubert and ask him for some tips. He block sanded my rolling wad of Bondo to a laser straight image of perfection..... He could train you, for a small fee.
Come on, don't be cheap.
:rofl: By the way Jeff, Thomas said to tell you hi. ;) He can't tell you directly because his attorney said no more contact and the slander papers are just about ready. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Quote from: skip68 on November 19, 2009, 09:23:28 PM
VegasMike calls me "Tink" because I keep messing with stuff and screw it up.
Better than calling you Twink! :hah: :icon_smile_wink:
"quote from CHUCK: VegasMike calls me "Tink" because I keep messing with stuff and screw it up."
Hey Chuck, I have known Vegas Mike his entire life and trust me when I say {He doesn't mean "TINK" is short for TINKER}. More like : TINKER BELL ....... :lol:
Quote from: Steve P. on November 20, 2009, 09:12:31 PM
"quote from CHUCK: VegasMike calls me "Tink" because I keep messing with stuff and screw it up."
Hey Chuck, I have known Vegas Mike his entire life and trust me when I say {He doesn't mean "TINK" is short for TINKER}. More like : TINKER BELL ....... :lol:
:smilielol:
And yes, my car's back for a short visit before going away for winter storage.. There were a few "things" I wanted done before it went away for the winter, and they squeezed me in.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/Chuck/DSC_4264Medium.jpg)
What was funny (ok, not really) is JUST AS I PULLED into the shop's parking lot, I blew a gas line and was pissing fuel all over the place.... :brickwall:
Ok, I have to send out a big THANK YOU to Jon @ Tube Chassis. Through a friend, he got me a set of tail lights. This guy owns a junkyard, and has for a LONG TIME. A Charger came in to his yard in 1972, and he pulled these tail lights off and put them in storage.. Well, I had them handed to me yesterday and WOW is all i can say. They are dusty, but they are 100% BRAND NEW (OEM). It's like I walked into Dodge and bought a brand new set :o
Not ONE imperfection.. In fact, the original gasket is still in perfect condition!!!!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/Chuck/photo-6.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/Chuck/photo2-2.jpg)
And yes, I know they are from a '70, but they are mint, and they match!!!! :cheers: :cheers:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/Chuck/IMG_0528Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/Chuck/IMG_0527Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/Chuck/IMG_0526Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/Chuck/IMG_0525Medium.jpg)
Indeed an awesome, AND EXTREMELY GENEROUS offering. I can't thank you enough :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
Great score Jeff! Congrats! :2thumbs: Now your car won't be like mine (one '69- one '70) :lol:
Quote from: 69bronzeT5 on November 22, 2009, 04:00:09 PM
Great score Jeff! Congrats! :2thumbs: Now your car won't be like mine (one '69- one '70) :lol:
No, but the bonus here?? You'll soon have a matching set of '69 tail lights with the one I'm gonna send you :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
Quote from: jb666 on November 22, 2009, 04:02:24 PM
Quote from: 69bronzeT5 on November 22, 2009, 04:00:09 PM
Great score Jeff! Congrats! :2thumbs: Now your car won't be like mine (one '69- one '70) :lol:
No, but the bonus here?? You'll soon have a matching set of '69 tail lights with the one I'm gonna send you :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
Awesome! :) You've got a PM.
Does that come WITH a HEMI?? :D
Im getting the dang hemi...
Also i would like to point out this message that Chuck sent me
"Hey, Frank is it ? I just want to say that I hope you enjoy that HEMI from Jeff. Keep in mind that I can find you if I want. icon_smile_cool I know people.... nana
Chuck........."
So now i have to deal with this. Im sorry but if i see anyone that looks like "Tinkerbell" im going WOT and not stopping :flame:
:rofl: OK FLG, fine ! So that's how it's going to be then. You see Frank, I was going to get the HEMI from Jeff and make you a sweeeet deal on it. But not now. :nana: Nice score on the tail lights. :2thumbs:
The image of Chuck in Green tights is scaring me... Or is that SCARRING me?? Either way... Something I don't want to think about.
I just spent the last 2 hours working in the garage.. My floor was poured years ago, and it's 4 individual "pads". Well, a couple of them have cracked (and made large gaping holes), so today I decided to do something about it since the car wouldn't be in it for a week or two.. I cleaned up and removed all of the loose concrete, mixed up some new stuff and went to town..
After that cures and dries 100% I'll start step one of the Rustoleum Garage Floor coating kit I got at HD tonight. Should look real nice by the time I'm done..
You'll laugh, but I'm putting a "Metalflake" touch to the final coat when I do it :icon_smile_cool:
Quote from: jb666 on November 19, 2009, 06:50:42 PM
Quote from: skip68 on November 19, 2009, 12:30:54 AM
tucked away for the winter.. Stay tuned. :popcrn:
Jeff must be hard knowing you have to store the car for the winter.Our climate ranges from 10 to 35 all year round {10 being 10 above freezing} So would be excellent temp for car storage shame you couldn't send it on a holiday I realy needed a car for my Sons prom lucky found one two towns away and the owner towed it here for the night.Was awesome lapping round in a hemi 4 speed car {not factory of course} car was a roughie but tarted up nice.
Nah, I've kind of accepted (and gotten used to) it.. It's tough, the first couple of weeks, then you dig into your projects and the time goes by..
I still have to dynamat the interior, and that'll take some time, so I'll be glad to have some "down-time". After that, padding the bars inside will be a time consumer, because I want it to look perfect in there.
That said, COME ON APRIL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hey Jeff, you may want to start a new thread on doing your garage floor. Many of us have something like this in mind for future projects and would like a blow by blow on the good and the bad of these products...
Quote from: Steve P. on November 23, 2009, 09:24:03 PM
Hey Jeff, you may want to start a new thread on doing your garage floor. Many of us have something like this in mind for future projects and would like a blow by blow on the good and the bad of these products...
Sure, not a problem. I'm not enjoying this.. :lol: , I'll be chewing on cement dust for days. Next time I'll wear a dust mask. The cracks/holes are all filled in and smooth, and I've etched the floor.. I'll be moving on to the next step once the dust settles... Literally.
I am so glad the car is off-site.. I had no idea this would make such a mess.
Well, things are moving along.. I got the final coat on my floor last night. I'm pretty pleased with it.. My added touch of metal flake is pretty cool. The floor glistens like a diamond under the lights.....
And, to top it all off, I'll have my baby back hopefully next weekend where it'll sit for the next few months... Warm, comfortable and dry!!
As I said before, I just wanted the floor cleaned up (and patched up). I didn't expect 100% perfection.. But over-all I'm happy with the look.... This is a shot where you can see the speckle and the metallic flakes..
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/Chuck/After12Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/Chuck/After11Medium.jpg)
Dang, nice looking garage floor there! :cheers: :cheers:
Looks good!
I did my garage 4 or 5 years ago.
Every garage I own will have this treatment.
Just watch yourself when it rains.
Since liquids pool on these floors you can end up on your butt.
My wife laughts now when I tell her I'm going out to mop the garage floor.
Quote from: ChgrSteve67 on November 28, 2009, 09:53:12 PM
Just watch yourself when it rains.
Since liquids pool on these floors you can end up on your butt.
I'd never have that problem. ;)
Quote from: ChgrSteve67 on November 28, 2009, 09:53:12 PM
Looks good!
I did my garage 4 or 5 years ago.
Every garage I own will have this treatment.
Just watch yourself when it rains.
Since liquids pool on these floors you can end up on your butt.
My wife laughts now when I tell her I'm going out to mop the garage floor.
So I've heard!! I added the "non-skid" to the formula for that very reason.. I tend to take diggers when I'm not paying attention.. It's the last thing I wanted.. This is fairly gritty!!
You know, I could already see a wife asking her old man when he would limp in the door of the house "Honey, what happen to you, and why are you limpping for?" "garage floor, slippery when wet, and hard on a person's butt" he would reply.
Quote from: ChgrSteve67 on November 28, 2009, 09:53:12 PM
Looks good!
I did my garage 4 or 5 years ago.
Every garage I own will have this treatment.
Just watch yourself when it rains.
Since liquids pool on these floors you can end up on your butt.
My wife laughts now when I tell her I'm going out to mop the garage floor.
Well, in my case, I'd walk in the house, limping, and covered in glitter...
One of two things could have happened...
1. I had a really rough night at the local strip club
2. I fell on my metal flake covered garage floor
Who's gonna believe #2! :rofl: "honey, honest, I was just down rolling on the garage floor!!"
I'd probably belive #1 :smilielol:
Quote from: jb666 on November 28, 2009, 10:36:20 PM
Well, in my case, I'd walk in the house, limping, and covered in glitter...
One of two things could have happened...
1. I had a really rough night at the local strip club
2. I fell on my metal flake covered garage floor
Who's gonna believe #2! :rofl: "honey, honest, I was just down rolling on the garage floor!!"
The floor is done!! I am really impressed with this Rustoleum Epoxy system.. Obviously the custom touch of metal flake helps it 'pop', but I'm very happy with the end result. Check this out, but keep in mind the "lighter" spots you see is what I just finished (still wet).
http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/Chuck/?action=view¤t=IMG_2113.flv
Not sure if this works...
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/Chuck/th_IMG_2113.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/Chuck/?action=view¤t=IMG_2113.flv)
Quote from: Steve P. on November 23, 2009, 09:24:03 PM
Hey Jeff, you may want to start a new thread on doing your garage floor. Many of us have something like this in mind for future projects and would like a blow by blow on the good and the bad of these products...
Steve... I took your advice and did just that.. I wanted to wait till I was done to do it...
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,64235.0.html
Now the finish on the floor will match the finish on the car under the lights. Should look cool together....
Looks great Jeff. When you coming to Florida to do mine.. It's only 28' X 45'.. Unless you want to do the garage attached to the house too... That would add another 400 SF.... I don't know if I can afford the materials for the driveways though... They would have to be something like 280 X 12 and 20 X 36. Can you do all that in a weekend?? :rofl:
Quote from: Steve P. on November 30, 2009, 02:32:46 AM
Looks great Jeff. When you coming to Florida to do mine.. It's only 28' X 45'.. Unless you want to do the garage attached to the house too... That would add another 400 SF.... I don't know if I can afford the materials for the driveways though... They would have to be something like 280 X 12 and 20 X 36. Can you do all that in a weekend?? :rofl:
I have a couple of friends down there.. We'll be over on Saturday. It'll be done & drivable by Sunday night. :lol:
I think this is one of their cars . http://kansascity.craigslist.org/cto/1480080654.html
Quote from: ACUDANUT on November 30, 2009, 08:17:38 PM
I think this is one of their cars . http://kansascity.craigslist.org/cto/1480080654.html
Good God what a mess.. I've seen that thing before..
AND yet he has more. http://kansascity.craigslist.org/cto/1480082807.html
That is our friend Shawn. http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,63603.0.html
Quote from: ACUDANUT on November 30, 2009, 08:17:38 PM
I think this is one of their cars . http://kansascity.craigslist.org/cto/1480080654.html
EDITED:
I think he forgot to put the decimal in.
That thing is whipped!
I will say this though, you absolutely know what you are getting if you decide to take this one on. Somebody can bring it back from the grave I'm sure. I know a few guys in Mass that could get it done no sweat.
Quote from: ACUDANUT on November 30, 2009, 08:17:38 PM
I think this is one of their cars . http://kansascity.craigslist.org/cto/1480080654.html
It looks like a space rock went through the trunk lid! :smilielol:
That's not a space rock, that's a big ole chunk a poopie.....(my Joe Dirt ref for the night)
Isnt it for bowel movements? Pull yer pants down and sit on the trunk lid?
Quote from: FLG on November 30, 2009, 09:58:58 PM
Isnt it for bowel movements? Pull yer pants down and sit on the trunk lid?
Seems to me you've got what it takes to work for a certain resto shop in Texas :coolgleamA:
My dream jeff!!
BTW updated my resto thread with some pics of my door, other door will be worked on soon.
Quote from: FLG on November 30, 2009, 10:03:44 PM
My dream jeff!!
BTW updated my resto thread with some pics of my door, other door will be worked on soon.
Looks great, Frank!!
Pretty soon I'm gonna be staring out my window seeing 3' of snow instead of this view....
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/Chuck/DSC_4228Medium-1.jpg)
I hate winter..
We have another contender in Pittsburg Ks. Called lough miller motors. He is just as bad as BK Auto
Quote from: jb666 on December 01, 2009, 08:39:19 PM
Pretty soon I'm gonna be staring out my window seeing 3' of snow instead of this view....
I hate winter..
Hey Jeff, Believe it or not, there is a good possibility of snow here on Friday. :eek2:
I didn't see any new pictures with your buddy with his White 1970 Trans Am, when are you going to be doing more shots with it? Is he still around?
Quote from: ACUDANUT on November 30, 2009, 08:17:38 PM
I think this is one of their cars . http://kansascity.craigslist.org/cto/1480080654.html
Wow! :eek2:
Quote from: Cozmo on December 02, 2009, 10:16:51 PM
Quote from: jb666 on December 01, 2009, 08:39:19 PM
Pretty soon I'm gonna be staring out my window seeing 3' of snow instead of this view....
I hate winter..
Hey Jeff, Believe it or not, there is a good possibility of snow here on Friday. :eek2:
I didn't see any new pictures with your buddy with his White 1970 Trans Am, when are you going to be doing more shots with it? Is he still around?
Snow, in Texas?!?!?!?!
The White '70 T/A... Chris... Well, his car's away for the winter, so he's not really around.. Chris is a great guy with a really cool car.. Hopefully in the Spring we can coordinate and get it done. :cheers: :cheers:
Ok, you guys will know this one... Does a (new) crate motor come with a fuel pump?? Mine's smoked.. Just curious if we're going to find that it was a POS BK Special or something that came with the motor. :popcrn:
nope 99.99% sure they dont Jeff , also a good idea to get a new fuel pump push rod at the same time :yesnod:
I'm guessing Jon might want to outfit that beast with an electric fuel pump, no?
Quote from: tan top on December 04, 2009, 06:05:34 PM
nope 99.99% sure they dont Jeff , also a good idea to get a new fuel pump push rod at the same time :yesnod:
Cool.. I kind of figured that, so BK probably threw on what they had on the shelf...
Not to be mean and i'll probably get butchered but is this thread really interesting enough to have over 4000 replies i mean thats a bit extreme.
Quote from: DodgeChargerNeeded on December 06, 2009, 12:34:05 AM
Not to be mean and i'll probably get butchered but is this thread really interesting enough to have over 4000 replies i mean thats a bit extreme.
Yes.
I don't see you getting butchered, but you can simply choose to not click on this link or unsubscribe to the link. In reality, what does the amount of replies matter to you anyway. Live and let live. :2thumbs: :icon_smile_big:
Quote from: DodgeChargerNeeded on December 06, 2009, 12:34:05 AM
Not to be mean and i'll probably get butchered but is this thread really interesting enough to have over 4000 replies i mean thats a bit extreme.
Um.. let me guess, Your asking this because none of your threads has ever reach this many replys before? :lol:
Why is a thread with 4000 replies to something folks likes talking about is a bit extreme to you? so far you are mostly the only one complaining about it :lol:
A guy bought a charger because he always wanted one, went to have a roll bar installed in the car and found out the car's shape, came here and made a thread about it to show others and also warn others. Had the car completely rebuilt where alot of folks would have just taken and thrown in the towel because they didn't want to do it and left yet another charger die. He didn't used a parts charger but rather all new stuff so he kinda did save another charger out there because he didn't use one for parts :lol: . This guy stuff alot out to have this car rebuilt right and yet you ask why is this thread so interesting for folks and and for some many replis. Well son, they like this thread I guess and that is why it has so many replis for where as alot of other stuff doesn't have that many replys. :smilielol:
You give the folks something they like and they will come back again and again and I guess this thread is one of those good things :smilielol:
Jeff has my respect for what he did for this car, there should be more guys like him and also women to do stuff like this all the time for cars of past years.
there are always mistakes to learn from. unfortunatly it was just somethin that happened. ive made mistakes just like that. when i had my 68 it went through 4 resto shops because i didnt like one after the other. as far as your general lee. it looks awsome. concentrate on the mechanics end then worry about the body. besides, you probably want somethin to enjoy and have fun with. and with a perfect body its hard to enjoy. the little stuff can always be done over time.
Quote from: DodgeChargerNeeded on December 06, 2009, 12:34:05 AM
Not to be mean and i'll probably get butchered but is this thread really interesting enough to have over 4000 replies i mean thats a bit extreme.
This thread has it all. Revenge, good vs evil, dwarfs wrestling naked chicks, Romance, Blood, guts, people went to jail, mods got fired, and a happy ending.
well.. it had some of that stuff.
seriously, though...it did have everything that makes an internet chat thread interesting:
1. someone got screwed
2. the guy who did the screwing got called out
3. the screwer made a fool of himself by coming on here and there was demonstrable proof that he suffered
financial harm by doing the screwing
3. A car got rebuilt with pics... tons of them.
4. Humor
5. Members stepped in to help out the OP who got screwed.
6. A garage floor got refinished
7. Arguing
You could start a thread with any one of those things and it would go to 4 or 5 pages. This one was on steroids.
Not many have the fortitude to encounter a problem like this, tell the entire planet about a slight error in judgement in an open forum, and then document the entire sequence of corrective action. (How's that for being politically correct? ;)) My hat is off to you, Jeff, and the other members who stepped up on this deal. :cheers:
Can someone help DodgeChargerNeeded find a Charger? Only rule is the thread must have less than one post. :smilielol:
So, any updates on BK? are they still in business? in jail? Building GL's?
Quote from: dkn1997 on December 07, 2009, 02:49:16 PM
Quote from: DodgeChargerNeeded on December 06, 2009, 12:34:05 AM
Not to be mean and i'll probably get butchered but is this thread really interesting enough to have over 4000 replies i mean thats a bit extreme.
This thread has it all. Revenge, good vs evil, dwarfs wrestling naked chicks, Romance, Blood, guts, people went to jail, mods got fired, and a happy ending.
well.. it had some of that stuff.
seriously, though...it did have everything that makes an internet chat thread interesting:
1. someone got screwed
2. the guy who did the screwing got called out
3. the screwer made a fool of himself by coming on here and there was demonstrable proof that he suffered
financial harm by doing the screwing
3. A car got rebuilt with pics... tons of them.
4. Humor
5. Members stepped in to help out the OP who got screwed.
6. A garage floor got refinished
7. Arguing
You could start a thread with any one of those things and it would go to 4 or 5 pages. This one was on steroids.
Ok, first off, that was a riot!!!! I love how you tossed #6 in there :rofl: If you don't mind though, I'd like to add #8.
8. Met and made some great new friends, and some of the most talented people in the auto world.
Quote from: dstryr on December 07, 2009, 03:01:36 PM
Not many have the fortitude to encounter a problem like this, tell the entire planet about a slight error in judgement in an open forum, and then document the entire sequence of corrective action. (How's that for being politically correct? ;)) My hat is off to you, Jeff, and the other members who stepped up on this deal. :cheers:
Can someone help DodgeChargerNeeded find a Charger? Only rule is the thread must have less than one post. :smilielol:
Thank you for your kind words!!!!!!!!!! But..... A SLIGHT error in judgement?? I'd say it was a rather catastrophic error in judgment.. Sort of like marrying the woman of your dreams to realize you're gay. Something that shouldn't have been overlooked..
I do agree though, the members here have been awesome... :cheers: :cheers:
Quote from: Back N Black on December 07, 2009, 04:20:26 PM
So, any updates on BK? are they still in business? in jail? Building GL's?
I honestly don't know, right now... But I will soon.
Just so you know I have had this name since I registered on this site. Since then I have owned around 10-12 Chargers and I do currently have one. Just so everyone knows this will be my last post on this thread.
Quote from: DodgeChargerNeeded on December 07, 2009, 07:25:43 PM
Just so you know I have had this name since I registered on this site. Since then I have owned around 10-12 Chargers and I do currently have one. Just so everyone knows this will be my last post on this thread.
Thanks for clearing that up.....(crickets in the back ground)..... Jeff this thread has had my attention from the start right down to your garage floor and I look forward to more. Its like a diary in a way, a continuing story and from all this reading I feel I know you and thats cool!
Joe
Quote from: DodgeChargerNeeded on December 07, 2009, 07:25:43 PM
Just so you know I have had this name since I registered on this site. Since then I have owned around 10-12 Chargers and I do currently have one. Just so everyone knows this will be my last post on this thread.
Looks like someone is taking their football and going home, to bad we aren't playin' football on this forum. Look on the bright side when you get home and tell your mommy how mean we are she will probably fix you some milk and cookies and let you watch Oprah with her.
I think we should have a Grudge match here. You can call out anyone and invite them to the ring. Too many folks are so tuff behind their Computers. :smilielol:
I'll meet anyone anywhere. :yesnod: It's not because I think I'm tuff, it's because I know I can run very fast. :nana:
.......FASTER THAN A SPEEDING BULLET...........IT'S..........SUPERSKIP!!
One rule to remember, if you're going to a knife fight, take a gun. ;D
Ummmm, what was the topic again?? ::)
I think this thread it at the point that anything go's :shruggy:
Quote from: mikepmcs on December 04, 2009, 06:08:28 PM
I'm guessing Jon might want to outfit that beast with an electric fuel pump, no?
Mike -- I meant to address this question... Sorry.
First, Jon is totally jammed up.. He's got his hands (and his shop) full. Second, he didn't know (nor did I) there was a fuel pump problem.. I took a cruise on a 60 degree day to Chuck's shop and blew the pump as I pulled into his parking lot (I thought it was just a line at the time).
Anyways, long story short... Jon is the man.. I , of course, wanted my car done before it went away for the winter (charging, fuel, cage, etc..) so I got the work done.. You've seen Jon's work, so I don't need to say anything about it.. Nothing short of awesome, and I certainly look forward to dealing with him in the Spring... When I have time to recover from this ass pounding that I've taken over the past year... :cheers:
So no.. No electric fuel pump.. Just a Holley mechanical like I had on it before.. It ran PERFECTLY with that on there, so there was no need to go electric, IMO..
Today was great.. The power steering pump blew out...
:popcrn:
And Acudanut, you are so right.. I've met some of the toughest people online. I've been threatened by people who were supposedly "local" to me, yet when I try to set up a meeting they never answer.. And I've been threatened by people who KNOW they are across the country and think they'll never meet up... :hah:
So Jeff...hows this Saturday look?? :pity:
Nea, here is how I see it. He came in this thread looking to maybe stir the pot and get something going.... but instead, he entered the kichen got his bum burnt alittle because the folks here kinda like the thread here way more then his or other posts and that is why it has more replys for and then couldn't take the heat so he left the kichen. :scratchchin: :shruggy: :lol: . Am I even close :smilielol:
Quote from: bamadukefan02 on December 09, 2009, 10:09:00 AM
Quote from: DodgeChargerNeeded on December 07, 2009, 07:25:43 PM
Just so you know I have had this name since I registered on this site. Since then I have owned around 10-12 Chargers and I do currently have one. Just so everyone knows this will be my last post on this thread.
Looks like someone is taking their football and going home, to bad we aren't playin' football on this forum. Look on the bright side when you get home and tell your mommy how mean we are she will probably fix you some milk and cookies and let you watch Oprah with her.
Is it me or has this thread gotten retarded during the last couple of days?
Quote from: FLG on December 09, 2009, 06:10:13 PM
So Jeff...hows this Saturday look?? :pity:
Looking good!! I'll be there!! You coming down??
Its in the air right now.
I want to install a hanger light in the garage (very tall ceilings, got for free :) )...cousin wants to do it saturday. If he cant do it, then i think i can make the trip.
Its amazing...every damn weekend something comes up!!!
Quote from: FLG on December 10, 2009, 07:42:15 PM
Its in the air right now.
I want to install a hanger light in the garage (very tall ceilings, got for free :) )...cousin wants to do it saturday. If he cant do it, then i think i can make the trip.
Its amazing...every damn weekend something comes up!!!
Come on, you have all winter to work INDOORS!!! Get'er done and get down here!!!
We shall see.. :2thumbs:
Car is good to go though!
Mine too... After having the day from Hell yesterday (following the WEEK from Hell) my weekend should be good.. The car's almost done and looking AWESOME!!
Sweet!
Im doubint this saturday...well maybe. If we get the light installed early enough ill make the trip. I want to get it done this weekend cause momma goose comes in for a visit on sunday (they stay in florida most of the year). I figure, if the lights already up she cant take it down...if its not up yet i have to hear her complain about a hanger light sitting in the garage.
My God... when I last looked at this thread, it was only at 90-something pages...
I have been following quietly along and am amazed at this thread ,I met jeff one day at "the shop" in Halifax and after having the same people do the work on my satellite , I really know how he feels about their talents and appreciate the stories he tells. really cool people make for good stories, keep it going and people will read. :2thumbs:
Quote from: satellite plumah on December 11, 2009, 01:41:27 PM
I have been following quietly along and am amazed at this thread ,I met Jeff one day at "the shop" in Halifax and after having the same people do the work on my satellite , I really know how he feels about their talents and appreciate the stories he tells. really cool people make for good stories, keep it going and people will read. :2thumbs:
Hey thanks man.. I was just talking to Chuck about you this morning.. He said how it was good to "see" you out here.. :cheers:
Anyways, I just got back from my visit.. The General is wearing some new jewelry... As most of you know, from day one, I wanted to do a full cage.. But between the expense, time, and the fact that I was going to lose my sun visors (and room) I didn't push to get it done.. It had been bugging me that I didn't push for it the entire time, so I finally pulled the trigger, and am I ever glad I did. This thing is coming out awesome. The bends are awesome, and the cage is so tight to my dash (I didn't want to go through) that it's not even in the way!! The best part? I DID NOT lose the use of my sun visors... They just improvised!!
Anyways, the passenger side bar isn't back in yet, and the driver's side will be a swing-out.. But here it is, so far!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/Chuck/DSC_4416Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/Chuck/DSC_4417Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/Chuck/DSC_4418Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/Chuck/DSC_4419Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/Chuck/DSC_4420Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/Chuck/DSC_4421Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/Chuck/DSC_4422Medium.jpg)
The new fuel pump is in, and the replacement power steering pump is in (The pulley was loose, and from trying to "fix" it, it had stripped out the shaft and ruined the pulley). So the car should be home by next weekend!!
Oh, and for anyone who didn't think the General would ever see winter weather, well, here goes!!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/Chuck/DSC_4463Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/Chuck/DSC_4464Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/Chuck/DSC_4465Medium.jpg)
Car, looks great! is the hood open in the last pic?
Quote from: Back N Black on December 12, 2009, 03:07:32 PM
Car, looks great! is the hood open in the last pic?
Thank you!
Yes, it is popped open in all of today's outdoor shots.. They aren't done under there yet.
It may not look it (except for the ice) but it was 24 out today.. With a wind that cut right through you like a knife.
You know Jeff, what we really need to see is the burnout picture. It's time brother. :yesnod: :drive:
"Oh, and for anyone who didn't think the General would ever see winter weather, well, here goes!!
Where's the SNOW. :icon_smile_big:
Quote from: ACUDANUT on December 13, 2009, 11:39:34 AM
"Oh, and for anyone who didn't think the General would ever see winter weather, well, here goes!!
Where's the SNOW. :icon_smile_big:
:lol: You got me there.. I realize it's not the SNOW that hurts a vehicle (it's the crap they treat the roads with up here), I highly doubt snow will ever touch the car as long as I own it.. I could be wrong though.
Quote from: skip68 on December 13, 2009, 11:35:17 AM
You know Jeff, what we really need to see is the burnout picture. It's time brother. :yesnod: :drive:
Burnout pic? I already did a few videos, pay attention Chuck!! :slap:
They might be kind of lame, but I've never been one to sit and kill my tires for the sake of a good burnout video..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5ukX47V08U
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gtCtVUiwcw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBV8SiX4xtY
:icon_smile_cool:
Quote from: jb666 on December 13, 2009, 11:52:43 AM
They might be kind of lame, but I've never been one to sit and kill my tires for the sake of a good burnout video..
Thats why people pick up a used set of tires/rims that will fit, and tear em up. I got my old tires sitting here waiting for the day I get my car finished.
:drive:
Quote from: Steelshanks on December 13, 2009, 01:56:07 PM
Quote from: jb666 on December 13, 2009, 11:52:43 AM
They might be kind of lame, but I've never been one to sit and kill my tires for the sake of a good burnout video..
Thats why people pick up a used set of tires/rims that will fit, and tear em up. I got my old tires sitting here waiting for the day I get my car finished.
:drive:
I agree with steel, but the cost of our tires (not the low profile) stuff is cheap enough that if i have some extra cash ill sacrifice my tires.
Quote from: jb666 on December 13, 2009, 11:52:43 AM
They might be kind of lame, but I've never been one to sit and kill my tires for the sake of a good burnout video..
I still don't see the reason why some many people always want to see stupid burnouts done. The way I see it if you want to see a burnout, take your car out there on the roads and do it in your own car so then the only tires you are really killing is your own :smilielol:.
All a burnout really is, is a tire spinning really fast on black top on the rear of a car, fast enough with the front wheels lock up so the rear tires will smoke like hell putting off alot of smoke. What is the point in that? we all know that these old cars has power in them with the engines they have and what they will already do ::). :lol:
:smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: One of these days one of you will being doing a burnout and the car front brakes will leave go and wamo you will be going somewhere but not just setting still though but rather some place close by and maybe into something.
Quote from: FLG on December 13, 2009, 02:13:09 PM
Quote from: Steelshanks on December 13, 2009, 01:56:07 PM
Quote from: jb666 on December 13, 2009, 11:52:43 AM
They might be kind of lame, but I've never been one to sit and kill my tires for the sake of a good burnout video..
Thats why people pick up a used set of tires/rims that will fit, and tear em up. I got my old tires sitting here waiting for the day I get my car finished.
:drive:
I agree with steel, but the cost of our tires (not the low profile) stuff is cheap enough that if i have some extra cash ill sacrifice my tires.
It's not really the tires I'm concerned with, it's the abuse you're putting your drivetrain through. I'm all for a good hole shot..But , it reminds me of a good friend of mine.. He'll sit in a parking lot and do a brake stand for 4 solid minutes until you can't see 10' in front of you.. It's cool, but he's always wondering why he's doing clutches so often...
Jeff,
I know what your saying...you do put some stress on things, but remember an automatic is much easier on the drivetrain then a manual.
Jeff, you nailed just how I feel about the whole thing with what you just said, what you just said makes alot of sense and I wish others would see that also. You defiantly love cars man and not what to abuse them. :cheers:
Quote from: jb666 on December 13, 2009, 03:35:22 PM
Quote from: FLG on December 13, 2009, 02:13:09 PM
Quote from: Steelshanks on December 13, 2009, 01:56:07 PM
Quote from: jb666 on December 13, 2009, 11:52:43 AM
They might be kind of lame, but I've never been one to sit and kill my tires for the sake of a good burnout video..
Thats why people pick up a used set of tires/rims that will fit, and tear em up. I got my old tires sitting here waiting for the day I get my car finished.
:drive:
I agree with steel, but the cost of our tires (not the low profile) stuff is cheap enough that if i have some extra cash ill sacrifice my tires.
It's not really the tires I'm concerned with, it's the abuse you're putting your drivetrain through. I'm all for a good hole shot..But , it reminds me of a good friend of mine.. He'll sit in a parking lot and do a brake stand for 4 solid minutes until you can't see 10' in front of you.. It's cool, but he's always wondering why he's doing clutches so often...
The whole idea of these cars was to abuse them. Besides with a line lock the only thing that gets abused is the tires.
I wish you guys could see the way I drove my car a few months ago down 15 or so miles off desert dirt road. :rofl: Sliding the whole way and the car was so dirty you could barely see the orange paint. :2thumbs: That was fun. Far as holding the brakes and gas, I never do that. I just nail the gas and let it spin. :2thumbs:
Quote from: skip68 on December 13, 2009, 09:51:30 PM
I wish you guys could see the way I drove my car a few months ago down 15 or so miles off desert dirt road. :rofl: Sliding the whole way and the car was so dirty you could barely see the orange paint. :2thumbs: That was fun. Far as holding the brakes and gas, I never do that. I just nail the gas and let it spin. :2thumbs:
Thats awesome!
I say, drive em like there supposed to be driven but dont do anything stupid and risk someone elses life (aka weaving and racing in and out of cars on the highway).
My Buick GN was bad bad bad!!! I miss that car so much but when the kiddo came to light I had to sell it to pay bills. That was one fast fast machine stock. after the mods it was too fast but it sure was fun! Oh and yeah I was guilty of roasting a set of tires or two... :D
i have a 87 gn....sleeping the garage....tire shredder....lots of fun.. the charger is more brute...yet both are sexy
Quote from: autodynamics on December 14, 2009, 07:53:56 PM
i have a 87 gn....sleeping the garage....tire shredder....lots of fun.. the charger is more brute...yet both are sexy
Oh I agree way more brute! I wish I could afford one! :2thumbs:
Quote from: Steve P. on December 09, 2009, 12:48:34 PM
Ummmm, what was the topic again?? ::)
Yea, any updates on someone getting screwed by BK :shruggy:
So, what ever happened to BK ? are they still in business or did they have to "pay the piper" ?
BK? Who's that?
Here's a quick teaser shot.. I guess the cage is now 100% done.. The back bar is in and the swing-out's finished!! All that's left are the harnesses and the car comes home!!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/Chuck/photo-12.jpg)
Why the full cage, Jeff?
Gonna jump it? :icon_smile_wink:
Quote from: Neal_J on December 15, 2009, 08:03:42 PM
Why the full cage, Jeff?
Gonna jump it? :icon_smile_wink:
Oh Hell yeah!! At least this way I'll drive away with no damage, just like they did every week on the show. That was real, right?
Quote from: jb666 on December 15, 2009, 08:23:17 PM
Quote from: Neal_J on December 15, 2009, 08:03:42 PM
Why the full cage, Jeff?
Gonna jump it? :icon_smile_wink:
Oh Hell yeah!! At least this way I'll drive away with no damage, just like they did every week on the show. That was real, right?
Yes Jeff....just keep thinking that. Whatever helps you sleep at night :pity: :D :nana:
Quote from: jb666 on December 15, 2009, 08:23:17 PM
Quote from: Neal_J on December 15, 2009, 08:03:42 PM
Why the full cage, Jeff?
Gonna jump it? :icon_smile_wink:
Oh Hell yeah!! At least this way I'll drive away with no damage, just like they did every week on the show. That was real, right?
Well, after you land like they did, you tell us :smilielol:
:2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
Well, It's done and ready to come home!!! I just got off the phone with a buddy of mine who will be taking it back to my house on a flatbed this weekend (before the snow on Sunday) so life is good right about now!!! :cheers: :cheers:
How about u drive it to your house on Saturday, ill follow in mine :2thumbs:
Sorry bud... They've been out salting the hell out of the roads between there and here... Im not gonna drive around in it :(
Quote from: jb666 on December 17, 2009, 05:31:45 AM
Sorry bud... They've been out salting the hell out of the roads between there and here... Im not gonna drive around in it :(
no worrys that car has seen plenty of rust before :smilielol: :smilielol:
Quote from: moparstuart on December 17, 2009, 10:46:14 AM
Quote from: jb666 on December 17, 2009, 05:31:45 AM
Sorry bud... They've been out salting the hell out of the roads between there and here... Im not gonna drive around in it :(
no worrys that car has seen plenty of rust before :smilielol: :smilielol:
LMAO!!!
Heck gotta love the unrestored car....dont mind a little salt :2thumbs:
be sure to wash it when it gets home because it will still get salt on it from being on the flat bed. When dad had his mustang brought home he never bothered to rinse and you can see after a while where the salt or that sodium spray ate at the paint.
Quote from: moparstuart on December 17, 2009, 10:46:14 AM
Quote from: jb666 on December 17, 2009, 05:31:45 AM
Sorry bud... They've been out salting the hell out of the roads between there and here... Im not gonna drive around in it :(
no worrys that car has seen plenty of rust before :smilielol: :smilielol:
:rofl: Nonsense! It was a clean rust free Texas car!!
Anyways... Just a teaser, and sorry for the crap quality, but check it out!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0G8hfxM3U-I
Quote from: RamchargerMopar on December 17, 2009, 04:40:43 PM
be sure to wash it when it gets home because it will still get salt on it from being on the flat bed. When dad had his mustang brought home he never bothered to rinse and you can see after a while where the salt or that sodium spray ate at the paint.
Already done :cheers: :cheers:
as been previously stated by many folks before...You da Man! :2thumbs:
Ok, my (freezing cold) afternoon started out at Chuck's shop... It was 20 out, but the 35 MPH winds across the field put the wind chill at -10. Loads of fun...
After getting it loaded on, like the stalker that I am, I followed the driver from the shop to my house...
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/Chuck/103_7427Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/Chuck/103_7430Medium.jpg)
After we got home, and I let the driver (owner of the company) take about 50 pictures, I pulled in the garage and got it situation where it'll sit for the next few months.. Turned the heater on and started really checking the cage out... I have to say, Jon's welding is incredible, and the forward section of the cage REALLY compliments his work. The boys at DMC Racing really did a nice job. I can't say enough about either organization.. Talent galore.
The swingout.. I like this thing (and I'm sure many of you here have seen/had them, but I never have...) because you can put it in any position you want... I thought it would be loose and would have to rest against the door panel...
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/Chuck/103_7434Medium.jpg)
Some close-ups of the welding.. :drool5:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/Chuck/103_7435Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/Chuck/103_7436Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/Chuck/103_7438Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/Chuck/103_7439Medium.jpg)
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(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/Chuck/103_7442Medium.jpg)
The harnesses aren't in place yet because the bar still needs to be painted... That'll be soon.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/Chuck/103_7443Medium.jpg)
Got some weird reflections going on here...
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/Chuck/103_7445Small.jpg)
From the back seat:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/Chuck/103_7446Small.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/Chuck/103_7447Small.jpg)
Retained use of my factory visors, which is really cool..
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/Chuck/103_7448Medium.jpg)
All in all, I am EXTREMELY happy with the work. The fuel pump and power steering pump were both replaced.. So now the car is away FINISHED... I can let my OCD corrupted mind focus on other things this winter.. THE CAR IS DONE!!!!!!!!!
Until that blower goes on......... :popcrn:
If you just welded the door shut and climbed in the window like bo and luke. You wouldnt have had to go to all that work . :icon_smile_big: :icon_smile_big: :icon_smile_big: but since you did :drool5: :drool5: that sure beat the hell out of the exhaust tubes .
Damn good thing you don't have a dome light. I once read somewhere those things are downright deadly.
Quote from: Neal_J on December 17, 2009, 05:34:25 PM
Damn good thing you don't have a dome light. I once read somewhere those things are downright deadly.
:smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol:
Quote from: Neal_J on December 17, 2009, 05:34:25 PM
Damn good thing you don't have a dome light. I once read somewhere those things are downright deadly.
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
We joke about that all the time!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: Fire hazard!!! :flame:
Quote from: moparstuart on December 17, 2009, 05:35:14 PM
Quote from: Neal_J on December 17, 2009, 05:34:25 PM
Damn good thing you don't have a dome light. I once read somewhere those things are downright deadly.
:smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol:
hahah :lol: Oldpartz had a picture that cracked me up in that thread & some dude wearing a tin foil helmet :lol:
nice welds on the cage , good enough to clear coat :yesnod: ;) Jeff , looks great !! :2thumbs: :coolgleamA:
Nice Jeff!!
You going to be at the shop this weekend?
Will attempt the trip...think i may be able to do it!!
Quote from: FLG on December 17, 2009, 07:43:40 PM
Nice Jeff!!
You going to be at the shop this weekend?
Will attempt the trip...think i may be able to do it!!
Welllllllllllllllll......... MAYBE. Chuck might not be there, so I can't answer that for sure.. I'll let you know in the morning. :cheers: :cheers:
Ok, this is probably the most important post of all time...
The car is 100% tucked in for the winter.. It'll be kept around 50 degrees in the garage all winter, and the tires even get to stay warm... Welcome home!!!!!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/Chuck/photo2-4.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/Chuck/photo3-5.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/Chuck/photo4-3.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/Chuck/photo-13.jpg)
And the wife came into the garage today and saw the finished product (cage) and LOVED it.. Said she can't believe how tight it is to the dash/roofline, and that the swing-out is much more solid than she thought it would be... All in all a great addition and now I can look forward to driving the Hell out of this thing in the Spring and not getting it right out to the shop!!!! :cheers: :cheers:
Wow Jeff, it's stunning! I'd like to build a General if I ever get another '69 and I really hope it's even close to as nice as yours is. The boys at the shop sure did a superb job on the cage :bow:
Quote from: 69bronzeT5 on December 18, 2009, 01:15:13 PM
Wow Jeff, it's stunning! I'd like to build a General if I ever get another '69 and I really hope it's even close to as nice as yours is. The boys at the shop sure did a superb job on the cage :bow:
Thank you. I appreciate it :cheers:
No prob dude, just tellin' the truth :2thumbs:
Damn buddy. I know certified boiler tube welders that don't weld that nice.. Of course you don't SEE their welds, but DAMNNNN................ To tig is an art.... These guys are artists.... :cheers:
One more thing. DO NOT drive the car without the shoulder belts or full harnesses now. Those bars do not feel good hitting them head on... :D
Quote from: Steve P. on December 18, 2009, 05:47:52 PM
Damn buddy. I know certified boiler tube welders that don't weld that nice.. Of course you don't SEE their welds, but DAMNNNN................ To tig is an art.... These guys are artists.... :cheers:
One more thing. DO NOT drive the car without the shoulder belts or full harnesses now. Those bars do not feel good hitting them head on... :D
You can count on that.. It's not leaving the garage until the bar's painted, harnesses are on, and portions of the bar are padded.. I'm not going for the Tan taped/crap padding look of the GL, though :lol:
Tell me though... Does life get any better???
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/Chuck/16650_1291954625905_1441461855_8504.jpg)
You have inspired me. My Chargers going to get a new uniform this winter after 3 long years of delays. I hope it turns out half as good as yours.
I will try & ask just one more time, whatever happened to BK ? after what they put YOU through, i hope they went to jail :RantExplode: they probably did this to a lot more people. Everytime I go to autabuy.com and search for 1969 Dodge Charger, I see too many orange chargers for sale for prices too good to be true. makes me think these are junk being passed off as good cars. SO WHAT EVER HAPPENED TO BK ??? http://www.autabuy.com/Vehicles/QuickSearch.cfm?SearchText=1969+dodge+charger&FromQuickSearch=1&zip=89403&SearchButton=Search
Quote from: model maker on December 18, 2009, 07:13:02 PM
I will try & ask just one more time, whatever happened to BK ? after what they put YOU through, i hope they went to jail :RantExplode: they probably did this to a lot more people. Everytime I go to autabuy.com and search for 1969 Dodge Charger, I see too many orange chargers for sale for prices too good to be true. makes me think these are junk being passed off as good cars. SO WHAT EVER HAPPENED TO BK ??? http://www.autabuy.com/Vehicles/QuickSearch.cfm?SearchText=1969+dodge+charger&FromQuickSearch=1&zip=89403&SearchButton=Search
Hi -- I can't answer that one with any certainty, because I'm not 100% sure. I've answered this question repeatedly and my answer is still the same... I don't know, YET.. In due time...
Sorry I can't say much more than that.. Anything else I could write would be pure bullshit :cheers: :cheers:
Well done Jeff. :cheers: Very, very nice.
Yes, you made that into a beautiful car & one you know is solid. enjoy your general ! :2thumbs:
Looks great!!!! Nice to see it finally home.
Thank you, guys :cheers:
Glad its home Jeff :cheers:... That car is just plain Awesome and I'm glad it all worked out :2thumbs:. When mine is done I hope it turns out half as nice..........Now enjoy the heck out of it!
anybody know what name bk is using? any functioning links to his biz?
Well take a look at THIS>>> http://www.autabuy.com/Vehicles/QuickSearch.cfm?FromQuickSearch=1&SearchText=1969+dodge+charger
It seems like there are too many orange 69 chargers & general lees listed here ! Any chance he is going by 1 of the names that have the orange chargers ? there are 2 pages so check both pages. His chargers had to go somewhere !!!
Jeff, is the bar that goes across the back seat removeable too?
I'd never consider putting a cage in a street car...until now. yours is the best fitting one I have ever seen. Most don't care too much about getting close to the actual contours of the car. yours looks great and I love the swing out.
How does that side bar feel when driving? does it get in your way? I was wondering if you use it for an armrest while driving...
Really nice nice work.
Quote from: model maker on December 19, 2009, 03:21:02 PM
Well take a look at THIS>>> http://www.autabuy.com/Vehicles/QuickSearch.cfm?FromQuickSearch=1&SearchText=1969+dodge+charger
It seems like there are too many orange 69 chargers & general lees listed here ! Any chance he is going by 1 of the names that have the orange chargers ? there are 2 pages so check both pages. His chargers had to go somewhere !!!
I don't see any "BK" Cars there, but there are a few HLPIG cars listed...
Quote from: dkn1997 on December 19, 2009, 03:46:43 PM
Jeff, is the bar that goes across the back seat removeable too?
I'd never consider putting a cage in a street car...until now. yours is the best fitting one I have ever seen. Most don't care too much about getting close to the actual contours of the car. yours looks great and I love the swing out.
How does that side bar feel when driving? does it get in your way? I was wondering if you use it for an armrest while driving...
Really nice nice work.
Thanks!! I find the bar setup to be PERFECT. The side bars are perfect while you're driving down the road. I DO use mine as an armrest, so doesn't my wife. It gives you an amazing feeling of security.
You are right about the contours.. When I first saw how they made the bends on the front bars I was amazed. It was as if the dash was notched out for the bar!!!! It couldn't be a nicer fit if it had come from the factory that way!!!
The swingout is VERY solid. The way it pins in, I can sit in the car with the door closed and it doesn't move or rattle in the least. It's almost as if it's a solid bar when it's pinned.
I don't regret this one bit. To me, it completes the car!!!!
is the back bar removable? the one that runs across the car just behind the front seats.
Quote from: dkn1997 on December 19, 2009, 06:50:27 PM
is the back bar removable? the one that runs across the car just behind the front seats.
No it is not. That bar was put in place primarily because I wanted harnesses in the car. I'm sure it could have easily been made to be removable, but mine's in there for good.
Sorry, I meant to answer that earlier. :cheers:
I figure it can't hurt to throw it out there, especially since I had their magazine on my lap :icon_smile_cool:
http://rides.hotrod.com/ride/1196462/jb666/1969/dodge/charger/index.html
Quote from: jb666 on December 19, 2009, 07:24:49 PM
I figure it can't hurt to throw it out there, especially since I had their magazine on my lap :icon_smile_cool:
http://rides.hotrod.com/ride/1196462/jb666/1969/dodge/charger/index.html
Now that is just going to help there company (bk's) when folks sees that :smilielol:
You have did one heck of a very well job done with that car sense you got it over a year ago man. I been following this thread from day 1.
These arrived yesterday!!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/photo-7.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/photo2-12.jpg)
Just to fill you guys in, Jeff has been in one of those padded rooms for the past few days.
I talked to the docs and they recommended a "restraint system", so we easily disguised it in a harness box. A few minutes after he took those shots we took it out and put him in it.
Dont worry, Jeffs in a better place now.
:2thumbs:
Quote from: FLG on December 21, 2009, 01:15:15 AM
Just to fill you guys in, Jeff has been in one of those padded rooms for the past few days.
I talked to the docs and they recommended a "restraint system", so we easily disguised it in a harness box. A few minutes after he took those shots we took it out and put him in it.
Dont worry, Jeffs in a better place now.
:2thumbs:
:D Ah you mean.... he.. ah... went to that place in the sky? :o :o . I knew this project of his was getting to him but didn't know it was getting to him that bad though! :lol:
Wow...RIP Jeff... :'(...Dibs on his car! :rofl:
I've been playing with my collage software a bit today,and am ready to roll...
Anyone interested in a cool collage using pictures of their car?? I'll make'm up free for ya...
Send me anywhere from 6-50 pictures... I promise it'll come out really cool!!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/106Farmhouse_AutoCollage_30_ImagesM.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/GeneralLeeCollageMedium.jpg)
That looks down right cool man! :2thumbs: :coolgleamA:
Looks great! Love the work on the roll cage!
Quote from: Grim Jhaixus on December 21, 2009, 09:33:23 PM
Looks great! Love the work on the roll cage!
Thank you! :cheers: As you can tell, I'm slightly pleased with it as well.
Im sure after all is said and done your wife is saying..."AFTER ALL THIS SH!T YOU BETTER BE HAPPY!!! H A P P Y DAMN IT!!!" :nana: No seriously though there is no doubt your tickled over it. You have what has to be the most beautiful GL's I have ever seen. :cheers:
Quote from: RamchargerMopar on December 21, 2009, 10:11:28 PM
Im sure after all is said and done your wife is saying..."AFTER ALL THIS SH!T YOU BETTER BE HAPPY!!! H A P P Y DAMN IT!!!" :nana: No seriously though there is no doubt your tickled over it. You have what has to be the most beautiful GL's I have ever seen. :cheers:
Very nice of you to say, thanks!!
My wife knows me.. She knows I have a problem, and she knows I'm very rarely "HAPPY" , but this time is different... I'm happy!!! :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
Hey Jeff:
Don't start gluing Hot Wheels to your car to make it unique. It's already been done:
http://blog.hemmings.com/index.php/2006/10/23/little-do-the-duke-boys-know/
Yee haw.
Neal
Quote from: Neal_J on December 23, 2009, 05:28:48 PM
Hey Jeff:
Don't start gluing Hot Wheels to your car to make it unique. It's already been done:
http://blog.hemmings.com/index.php/2006/10/23/little-do-the-duke-boys-know/
Yee haw.
Neal
Ok now.. A lot of people asked me, this year "Why put so much time, $$ and effort into a General Lee?". I always had an answer for that... But this?? WHY??? :shruggy:
Quote from: Neal_J on December 23, 2009, 05:28:48 PM
Hey Jeff:
Don't start gluing Hot Wheels to your car to make it unique. It's already been done:
http://blog.hemmings.com/index.php/2006/10/23/little-do-the-duke-boys-know/
Yee haw.
Neal
:smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol:
I love General Lees. I dont have 1, wont have 1... but nobody should knock it, it kicks ass.
I wouldn't make a GL but I would never knock one. I wouldn't have one just because I would like a unique car not one everyone will ask if I am going to jump. I will become bitter and next thing you know a year into owning a GL I would be arrested for choking out the millionth redneck who said hey jump that thing!
Quote from: RamchargerMopar on December 24, 2009, 10:36:36 PM
I wouldn't make a GL but I would never knock one. I wouldn't have one just because I would like a unique car not one everyone will ask if I am going to jump. I will become bitter and next thing you know a year into owning a GL I would be arrested for choking out the millionth redneck who said hey jump that thing!
Believe me, I was getting pretty close at the end of this season...
I just wanted to share something with you guys that my brother made me for Christmas...
Here he is, holding his work proudly.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/photo5-4.jpg)
And here it is, displayed over my GL door on the wall.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/photo4-4.jpg)
:cheers: :cheers:
Man, that looks down right cool! Also some good craftmen skill to I might ad! give him a pat on the back for me :2thumbs:
I will :cheers: . I've always said "give him a vacant lot and a pile of wood and you'll come back to a log cabin".. He's got some series skills with wood working.. I wish they were passed along to me :slap:
nice :coolgleamA:! your brother is clever with woodwork Jeff :yesnod:
was this car bought on e bay?
Quote from: expresstowing106 on December 28, 2009, 02:14:05 AM
was this car bought on e bay?
I believe it was bought directly from another member on this site after that member made a For Sale ad in the Classifieds section.
Quote from: 69bronzeT5 on December 28, 2009, 02:15:19 AM
Quote from: expresstowing106 on December 28, 2009, 02:14:05 AM
was this car bought on e bay?
I believe it was bought directly from another member on this site after that member made a For Sale ad in the Classifieds section.
Yea, that sounds correct. And if I remember correctly the sale didn't go well or something and the car needed some work. I forget the whole story...
Quote from: expresstowing106 on December 28, 2009, 02:14:05 AM
was this car bought on e bay?
:rotz: I am willing to bet you have not read the whole thread or at least the first part of it ... :scratchchin: Having said that...Welcome to the most awesome thread on the internet freeway. This is a EPIC thread if I may say so myself. :yesnod:
Do yourself a favor and go ahead and indulge in the yummy snacks hidden on each tasty page of this thread. Bask in its glory, take a ride in the passenger seat as Jeff takes you on a ride you wont forget. There are scary moments, twists and turns and thrills as he races you towards the finish line!
While your there take in the sights, enjoy the hundreds of visuals you will find on this trip and don't forget at the end of the ride...to tip your driver!
i will bad mouth B.K. auto all i can what a bunch of dirt bags.
Quote from: RamchargerMopar on December 28, 2009, 06:16:09 PM
Quote from: expresstowing106 on December 28, 2009, 02:14:05 AM
was this car bought on e bay?
:rotz: I am willing to bet you have not read the whole thread or at least the first part of it ... :scratchchin: Having said that...Welcome to the most awesome thread on the internet freeway. This is a EPIC thread if I may say so myself. :yesnod:
Do yourself a favor and go ahead and indulge in the yummy snacks hidden on each tasty page of this thread. Bask in its glory, take a ride in the passenger seat as Jeff takes you on a ride you wont forget. There are scary moments, twists and turns and thrills as he races you towards the finish line!
While your there take in the sights, enjoy the hundreds of visuals you will find on this trip and don't forget at the end of the ride...to tip your driver!
I don't think any newbie is going to read 222 pages to get the story....... maybe it should be cleaned up and drop a 100 pages. :shruggy:
Even being cleaned up still won't get it down to a 100 pages my friend, There is around maybe 50 pages that can go. I went through the thread afew days ago looking for afew infos and I just scan the pages at that and it took me like a hour to get to 100 page mark and thats not with reading either. :lol:
Quote from: Back N Black on December 29, 2009, 05:00:21 PM
Quote from: RamchargerMopar on December 28, 2009, 06:16:09 PM
Quote from: expresstowing106 on December 28, 2009, 02:14:05 AM
was this car bought on e bay?
:rotz: I am willing to bet you have not read the whole thread or at least the first part of it ... :scratchchin: Having said that...Welcome to the most awesome thread on the internet freeway. This is a EPIC thread if I may say so myself. :yesnod:
Do yourself a favor and go ahead and indulge in the yummy snacks hidden on each tasty page of this thread. Bask in its glory, take a ride in the passenger seat as Jeff takes you on a ride you wont forget. There are scary moments, twists and turns and thrills as he races you towards the finish line!
While your there take in the sights, enjoy the hundreds of visuals you will find on this trip and don't forget at the end of the ride...to tip your driver!
I don't think any newbie is going to read 222 pages to get the story....... maybe it should be cleaned up and drop a 100 pages. :shruggy:
Anyone else e-mailed BK auto @ bkautomotive@sbcglobal.net
I did and told them they are a bunch of thieves.
I know it would take some work, but make a modified duplicate. You could then make it non reply. Just a thought ::)
I just read your ENTIRE thread (starting a couple days ago).
All I gotta say is, You are one motivated person.
Congrats on the nice car and how is the legal situation coming?
Quote from: The70RT on December 31, 2009, 12:49:38 PM
I know it would take some work, but make a modified duplicate. You could then make it non reply. Just a thought ::)
I shoudn't be the only person e-mailing them though. :Twocents:
Quote from: ACUDANUT on December 31, 2009, 04:01:58 PM
Quote from: The70RT on December 31, 2009, 12:49:38 PM
I know it would take some work, but make a modified duplicate. You could then make it non reply. Just a thought ::)
I shoudn't be the only person e-mailing them though. :Twocents:
You aren't.. Believe me... :cheers: :cheers: But I do thank you for being persistent.
Quote from: Mike DC (formerly miked) on November 19, 2008, 03:50:49 PM
About the legal battle -
Try to nail down cases of specific things being not what was described on paper. That's your best bet.
Legally speaking, a $300 steering box that wasn't actually replaced might get you more headway in court than $3000 worth of unsafe work on the framerails. The steering box is a specific thing on paper. Its absence cannot possibly be written off as a difference of opinion or misunderstood intentions between you and BK.
And this advice, given well over a year ago... Was so accurate... :popcrn:
I was just hanging out with the wife, and we got to talking about things in 2009.. I said, jokingly, that The General TOOK OVER 2009 from beginning to end.. We both looked at each other and started laughing... It's SO TRUE.. 2009 was the year of the General in every sense.. Emotionally , financially and in some cases physically (I sure lost a LOT of sleep this year because of this car)... Now it's done.. So, I think it's only suitable that I ring in 2010 with the damn car!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :brickwall: :2thumbs:
This is a very awesome story!!!! I'd publish this one!!!
I wanted to thank someone publicly who, after seeing this story, donated a 30+ year old model to me that's been preserved in a cabinet. It was assembled by a gentleman that's no longer with us, but has some really nice history. It's pretty cool, because aside from being a GL, it's got a full cage, a Hemi and a few other small details that closely resemble my build!!
Anyways, THANK YOU! I will display this with pride and treasure it!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/Chuck/DSC_4598Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/Chuck/DSC_4601Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/Chuck/DSC_4600Medium.jpg)
Wow, those 1/16th General Lee kits are tough to find in any condition.
It's actually based on an old 3rd-gen Richard Petty NASCAR Dodge Charger model kit. They just swapped the body & some details. (Picture that GL's rollcage under a 3rd-gen body - it would fit better.)
What's even more interesting is if you watch Season#7 of Dukes with the miniature car stunts. Look at the minature GLs and you might notice that some of them had the hogged-out front wheelwells like on the 1/16th kit!
Looks to have 70 buckets :2thumbs:
Well now, winter can't end fast enough.. It's been over a month since the General's been fired over....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HDwmMeBqHZE
I'm pretty happy, over the next weekend or two we'll be painting the rest of the cage inside the garage.. Big C's gonna come over and help with the process to make sure it's done right!! Then the harnesses/padding can go on...
Well, Chuck just left my house.. He really took his time getting set up and prepped my car for the job ahead.. The cage came out awesome!! Now I'm just waiting for the paint to dry.. Then I'll take all the plastic down and feed the harnesses in.. (next weekend).
I'll post some pictures up later.
:cheers: :cheers:
Here are a couple of quick shots.. I took these with my camera phone..
The "spots" you can see on the bar are all reflections... The rear section of the cage had already been painted.. The front section is what was just added..
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/8-1.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/4-1.jpg)
The swing-out has been removed, and will be painted in the booth..
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/2-1.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/1-1.jpg)
I like how through the car you can see the Lazy Boy recliner positioned so you can sit right there and relax and admire the best darn Lee ever saved! :cheers:
Quote from: b5blue on January 23, 2010, 04:55:35 PM
I like how through the car you can see the Lazy Boy recliner positioned so you can sit right there and relax and admire the best darn Lee ever saved! :cheers:
Why THANK YOU, and yes, that's exactly why it's there!!!!!!!!!!!
<---------------------- :icon_smile_big:
:lol: I noticed when you changed your avitar! :2thumbs: You deserve it.
Did he use a air brush ? I don't see any paint on the plastic. :shruggy: looks good. :2thumbs:
Quote from: skip68 on January 23, 2010, 05:11:28 PM
Did he use a air brush ? I don't see any paint on the plastic. :shruggy: looks good. :2thumbs:
Nope.. The pictures aren't exposing everything that was on the car, at one point :icon_smile_big: But I promised I would not give his secrets away :hah:
Foam brush Eh?
Quote from: 1HotDaytona on January 23, 2010, 05:30:16 PM
Foam brush Eh?
Negative.
I wasn't looking for a "show quality finish" on the cage or it would have been done in the booth, because 3/4 of it will be covered soon enough.
Looks great buddy.... The Lazy-Boy has to be a permanent fixture..... :2thumbs:
Quote from: Steve P. on January 23, 2010, 06:31:52 PM
Looks great buddy.... The Lazy-Boy has to be a permanent fixture..... :2thumbs:
Oh it's not going anywhere.. I need some place to sleep after my wife tosses my ass out when she finds out how much I REALLY put into the Orange clunker!!!
:lol:
Quote from: jb666 on January 24, 2010, 09:34:14 AM
Quote from: Steve P. on January 23, 2010, 06:31:52 PM
Looks great buddy.... The Lazy-Boy has to be a permanent fixture..... :2thumbs:
Oh it's not going anywhere.. I need some place to sleep after my wife tosses my ass out when she finds out how much I REALLY put into the Orange clunker!!!
That is why you always put your fingers over the first two digits so they don't know the real cost :lol:
Like if a part cost 135.00 just tell them it's 35.00 :lol: , "dang honey, these parts they sell cheap... see (show her the price with one digit covered :lol:).
Well, it got to see the light of day today!!
But only for about 5 minutes... It hit a whopping 47 degrees and the sun was shining.. It's the first time this door has been opened for weeks...
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/photo-42.jpg)
Then it was night-night time again....
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/photo2-16.jpg)
Jeff,
I gotta ask...what the heck is up with the carpet things under the wheels?
Quote from: FLG on January 24, 2010, 06:21:55 PM
Jeff,
I gotta ask...what the heck is up with the carpet things under the wheels?
Just 12" squares of carpet I cut off of a remnant to put under the tires so they don't get cold sitting on the concrete.. I mean c'mon, Frank, have a heart!!
Sorry, my charger is fine on the floor...i guess you general lee guys are a bit on the :dance: :girlfight: side.
Quote from: FLG on January 24, 2010, 06:29:22 PM
Sorry, my charger is fine on the floor...i guess you general lee guys are a bit on the :dance: :girlfight: side.
Oh, I'm sorry you don't like carpet... Yet, you've openly admitted to not liking carpet and say we are the :dance: :girlfight: guys? LOL :rofl: :hah: Sorry Frankie...
The real reason I did it was that I was afraid that after only applying the epoxy treatment to the floor 10 days before the car came home that the tires would "stick" to the floor and pull up the coating.. So I did that out of paranoia.. But I like my other excuse better, for reaction purposes.
LMAO,
Maybe its an old guy thing? But id rather no carpet.
Hey Jeff....
:fu:
Quote from: FLG on January 24, 2010, 06:34:16 PM
LMAO,
Maybe its an old guy thing? But id rather no carpet.
Hey Jeff....
:fu:
Only "old guys" like carpet? Dude, you're walking into a trap here.. Do you know the 'other' meaning of the word carpet?? Be very careful here with your answer!!
Check out the other thread for my pictures from today's visit... I'm uploading some now, but I have some pictures that'll blow your mind.. Awesome day, to say the least.. You HAVE to check this other shop out :o
Jeff im 21,
What do you think?
:rofl:
I was shooting for that one.
BTW i WILL make it up one weekend soon. Very Very soon.
Jeff, you and I come from a time when men were men. Now, you take Frankie here....He's a "modern man". I knew Frank was "Metro".... :nana:
By the way Frank, congats on the new job. :2thumbs: Now with you going away I guess the Hemi will be mine. :nana:
LMAO
I'll only be in Georgia for 3 weeks. The hemi will remain in the garage, no you still cannot have it.
I do have a /6 my friend has which you can have if you would like. Its as close as your gonna get :rofl:
:rofl:
Quote from: FLG on January 24, 2010, 06:42:54 PM
Jeff im 21,
What do you think?
:rofl:
I was shooting for that one.
BTW i WILL make it up one weekend soon. Very Very soon.
Awesome!! Let me know when....
I'll make sure I'm out of town.....
:icon_smile_big:
Cool model! Whats the 8BA in?
Quote from: jb666 on January 24, 2010, 10:18:00 PM
Quote from: FLG on January 24, 2010, 06:42:54 PM
Jeff im 21,
What do you think?
:rofl:
I was shooting for that one.
BTW i WILL make it up one weekend soon. Very Very soon.
Awesome!! Let me know when....
I'll make sure I'm out of town.....
:icon_smile_big:
Great!!
Ill get to drive the charger than. Ill make sure i drive her hard, put her away wet...and get rid of the carpet :smilielol: :smilielol: LMAO
Seriously, were gonna meet up one of these days.
Quote from: FLG on January 25, 2010, 12:11:28 AM
Quote from: jb666 on January 24, 2010, 10:18:00 PM
Quote from: FLG on January 24, 2010, 06:42:54 PM
Jeff im 21,
What do you think?
:rofl:
I was shooting for that one.
BTW i WILL make it up one weekend soon. Very Very soon.
Awesome!! Let me know when....
I'll make sure I'm out of town.....
:icon_smile_big:
Great!!
Ill get to drive the charger than. Ill make sure i drive her hard, put her away wet...and get rid of the carpet :smilielol: :smilielol: LMAO
Seriously, were gonna meet up one of these days.
Her? you mean him don't ya? :smilielol:
I thought all cars were female lol
Quote from: 66chargerkid on January 25, 2010, 03:54:40 AM
I thought all cars were female lol
Okay wise guy :lol:, if that is the case, then where does the other cars come from if they are all females? :D
Tonight I went down and removed all of the plastic and tape... Then I put the kick panels in, attached the chrome trim and CAREFULLY lowered the seats into place... I've never owned a Mopar before, so the thought of a seat bolting in from UNDER the car still cracks me up.. But I guess it's normal for them...
Anyways, I'm very pleased with the end results.... I was going to dynamat the entire floor, but decided to scrap that.. I don't feel like dropping $400 into dynamat right now...
Trim on, kick panels in.. Ready for the seats:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/Chuck/12Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/Chuck/11Medium.jpg)
The infamous thru the car to the recliner pic... Had to throw it in there..
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/Chuck/7Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/Chuck/15Medium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/Chuck/13Medium.jpg)
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So tempting to just get in and drive away...
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/Chuck/5Medium.jpg)
But instead decided to just sit back and be patient.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/Chuck/2Medium.jpg)
Tomorrow night I'll start setting up the harness straps..
Nice pjs there in that last photo man :2thumbs:
Hillbilly... :hah:
Quote from: skip68 on January 25, 2010, 09:02:37 PM
Hillbilly... :hah:
Hey, watch it there mister... I have lionkings myself.. :D :lol:
Jim.. Don't feed the trolls.. Chuckie walks around in Hello Kitty PJ's.. :yesnod:
You know, that's pretty F-'d up Jeff. When I tell you things like that it's personal info and not to be posted. :rotz:
I was hoping you were putting the Lazy Boy in the car! At least get a Quarter Stick handle for the Lazy Boy! (PS Superman Jammies ROCK!) :lol:
i thought you were selling your car on the bay for $4,000,000 but i read on and it was a 66 charger. :smilielol:
No way!! Even after selling my wife & kids on the black market I'd STILL be losing money if that's all I asked....
Awesome! I have a Superman tie. When I wear it every once in a while I tell everyone "This way there is no question who they are dealing with"
Hi Chuck and Blair! :icon_smile_big: :wave:
Quote from: MoparManJim on January 25, 2010, 04:10:14 AM
Quote from: 66chargerkid on January 25, 2010, 03:54:40 AM
I thought all cars were female lol
Okay wise guy :lol:, if that is the case, then where does the other cars come from if they are all females? :D
They come from a couple of dikes. One chooses to become pregnant and they go to the sperm store. Then raise a kid to their liking. Sorry personal story here. :RantExplode:
For anyone interested, I've listed the camera for sale that I've used to take 90% of the pictures in this thread... My Nikon D70:
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,66243.0.html
I have way too many cameras kicking around and I just bought another.. So this one has to go.. I'm keeping my D90, so anyone wondering why, that's why..
:cheers: :cheers:
Hey Buddy!
I think ill have to post the pics of the shop for this week eh?? Bummer u couldnt make it.
:RantExplode:
Frank, you have no idea. I woke up sick as a dog at 3AM and stayed that way until 1PM.. I finally had to go out around 5PM just to get some fresh air.. What ever it was it kicked the crap out of me... I've been lucky (and illness free) for the past year.. So I guess it was time it caught up to me.
No problem man,
You should have seen the look on chucks face when i walked in!!! Was fricken priceless.
Then he went on about how im a nut job.
:2thumbs:
Quote from: FLG on January 30, 2010, 09:54:42 PM
No problem man,
You should have seen the look on chucks face when i walked in!!! Was fricken priceless.
Then he went on about how im a nut job.
:2thumbs:
I know.. when he called me tonight he kept saying "Frank is NUTS!!" :rofl: In a good way, of course.. And your gf is just as nuts (or committed) as you!!! :lol:
LMAO
Chucks a cool dude.
Shes may or may not be coming next week...depends on if she can take off...think she will be able to make it.
Shes committed, but she also gets to go shopping afterwards at the outlet mall.
If he thinks Frank is nuts, what the hell would he think about me ? :rofl: He's lucky we are so far apart. :scratchchin: Then again, I don't know Frank... Hey Franky, are you nuts ? :nana: Frank, being a stalker doesn't mean your nuts. :icon_smile_wink: Don't worry about what other people think of you. :yesnod: By the way, did you get those pictures from the bushes in front of Jeff's house like we talked about ? :shruggy: :drool5: :rofl:
Quote from: skip68 on January 30, 2010, 10:07:24 PM
If he thinks Frank is nuts, what the hell would he think about me ? :rofl: He's lucky we are so far apart. :scratchchin: Then again, I don't know Frank... Hey Franky, are you nuts ? :nana: Frank, being a stalker doesn't mean your nuts. :icon_smile_wink: Don't worry about what other people think of you. :yesnod: By the way, did you get those pictures from the bushes in front of Jeff's house like we talked about ? :shruggy: :drool5: :rofl:
Damit i told u not to mention the bush picture :smilielol: :smilielol:
BTW Jeff, im now sick as well!! I think the fact that it was about 10 degrees when i took the drive, and the fact that in the car it was a whopping 20 degrees didnt help much. The blankets and coffee did...damn non existant door seals!!
:o 10*F. That's tooooo cold. :rotz: You guys back there need heated garages. I think today was around 60* here. :nana:
Quote from: skip68 on January 31, 2010, 11:25:44 PM
:o 10*F. That's tooooo cold. :rotz: You guys back there need heated garages. I think today was around 60* here. :nana:
:D Chuck,.... you better hush up about that so nice warm weather you have out there pal :D because we back here have the fricking 20*F crap right now and around 2*F at nights maybe below in some spots. I hope you get a good case of the snow out there like we have back here :lol: :D
:nana:
Don't let Chuck razz ya. He just has nothing better to do than try to bust your chops.. You know, no snow to shovel or wood to chop... Then again, I have seen pictures of 3-4 inches of snow on the ground in Vegas just a few years ago....
Frank... I took this shot for you!!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/DSC_0045Medium.jpg)
:drool5:
We still on for tomorrow??
Quote from: jb666 on February 02, 2010, 06:56:55 PM
Frank... I took this shot for you!!
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Jeff what size tires do you have on the front and rear? They fill the wheel wells really nice.
I'm running 285's in the back and 255's up front on 15" rims. I love the way they fill the wells.
I wanted to take a second to thank Chuck for helping me finish this project, and putting the final touches of my car together... At his shop yesterday I picked up my swingout bar, which was painted and cleared so that it would be the most durable, considering it'll be opened/closed every time I get in/out of the car.. Anyways, I'm very pleased with the end result. I came right home and put it in...
Anyways, THANKS!! it looks awesome, and I can finally and happily say IT IS DONE!! Not only will my wife leave me if I dump any more $$ into the Orange clunker, but there isn't much more I could do to it that wouldn't "take away" from what it is...
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/Chuck/DSC_0112Medium.jpg)
yep, that sure is a tight fit, but Jon made damn sure this thing fit like a glove!! It comes about 1MM from the arm rest!!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/Chuck/DSC_0114Medium.jpg)
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And last, Dennis @ DMC did an amazing job making sure all of the forward bars fit like as tight as anything possibly could!! The whole cage, IMO, came out incredible.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/Chuck/DSC_0111Medium.jpg)
THANKS TO ALL INVOLVED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Looks great!
Whats next?
I think it needs a case of moon shine sitting in the back seat.
Looks fantastic Jeff! :2thumbs: Didn't you say you were putting harnesses in it? :shruggy:
Quote from: 69bronzeT5 on February 07, 2010, 11:12:37 PM
Looks fantastic Jeff! :2thumbs: Didn't you say you were putting harnesses in it? :shruggy:
I think i remember jeff talking about some problem with the mounting setup that needs to be addresses first.
Quote from: FLG on February 08, 2010, 02:09:10 AM
Quote from: 69bronzeT5 on February 07, 2010, 11:12:37 PM
Looks fantastic Jeff! :2thumbs: Didn't you say you were putting harnesses in it? :shruggy:
I think i remember jeff talking about some problem with the mounting setup that needs to be addresses first.
That's correct... I believe the harnesses I got are intended to bolt into position (shoulder straps) not wrap around the rear bar... If so we'll just exchange them. No rush on those.
:scope: :yesnod: looks real nice Jeff :yesnod: no offence to other GL Charger Buddies ( all your GLs are awesome :cheers: , but thats how a GL should look to me ! Caged up like that :yesnod: :coolgleamA:
Well Jeff, i just finished all 226 pages over the past few days........and i'm just about the most cross eyed sucka i've ever seen :eek2: I must say i cant believe thats the same dam car!!!! Unbelievable......Those fellas did a heck of a job on the re-restore of your Charger. They earned every penny you paid them by the looks of the work of art they created there. One thing that you really dint touch on but i was curious about.....on the roof, did they replace and of the skin or did they just skim it and fill in all the pits???? I bought a 70 charger that has quite a bit of swiss cheesed metal in it as well. And my roof has the same problem and yours but i'm going to put an amd skin on it just cause i'm a perfectionist hehehe. It would bug me if I did not replace it all. I'm going to do all the work myself because for one, I can and two, i'd have to eat ramen noodles for about three years if i had to pay someone. :lol: Plus like I said i'm such a perfectionist it would drive me nuts not knowing if every panel etc... was aligned right. It just sux ya'll up north have to put the ol chargers away for the winter. I live in texas and we can drive pretty much year round. Although this winter has been unusually horrible with freezing temps, rain and generaly inclement weather. It really sux you got a pokin in the ol tail pipe when you bought it but unfortunately as several people have mentioned, getting screwed by supposedly "professional" auto restorers is rampant all over the country and beyond. A lot of unscupulous folks take advantage of our nostalgic feelings from our youth.... :flame: I like many people, yourself included i'm sure, had dreams of tearing through the country side jumping every creek in site!!! Oh well, be that as it may i hope you have many years of enjoyment with your Charger and may you burn through as many sets of bf goodriches as they can make!!! :drive: you can bet ur tail pipe i will!!! :coolgleamA:
Hey, thanks!!
After the car came back from the sandblaster's shop it looked like swiss cheese. EVERY BIT of the car that was in that condition was cut out and replaced.. The center section of the roof was actually fine. It's what I joke with people about, that "at least a small square survived!". Let's just say that out of the 100% of the metal this car HAD 95% of it was cut out and replaced... one thing the guys made sure of is that the rot/rust/nightmare WILL NEVER RETURN... And for that fact along I can sleep at night!!!
I can't believe what this car has been through to get to this point... Would I go through it again? Not in a million years....
wow, thats funny cause my roof the center is rusted heheh and the edges are fine, go figure........i agree with you in not wanting to do over if you could, because for one, you would never get back what you put into it...... two, i'm sure you could find a better roller somewhere, although after what you have been through and seen and the people and freinds you've made it may be some small consolation for the pokin you took, and also you have a great story of tenacity and dedication to a hobby that not many share in respect to how many people watched the show....the investment you've made must be astronomical and i'm wondering.....if you dont mind me asking .....what do u do for a living???? :scratchchin:
Quote from: ionracer24 on February 09, 2010, 02:11:46 AM
wow, thats funny cause my roof the center is rusted heheh and the edges are fine, go figure........i agree with you in not wanting to do over if you could, because for one, you would never get back what you put into it...... two, i'm sure you could find a better roller somewhere, although after what you have been through and seen and the people and freinds you've made it may be some small consolation for the pokin you took, and also you have a great story of tenacity and dedication to a hobby that not many share in respect to how many people watched the show....the investment you've made must be astronomical and i'm wondering.....if you dont mind me asking .....what do u do for a living???? :scratchchin:
Racer,
I had and still am going to have (very very soon) the people that worked on Jeffs car continue to work on my car. Im 21, going to school, with (now, FINALLY!!) a very good job...they are MORE than reasonable. You would be surprised.
They are true artists no doubt.
They are true artists no doubt.
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I agree totally!! :2thumbs:
Quote from: FLG on February 09, 2010, 02:23:07 AM
Quote from: ionracer24 on February 09, 2010, 02:11:46 AM
wow, thats funny cause my roof the center is rusted heheh and the edges are fine, go figure........i agree with you in not wanting to do over if you could, because for one, you would never get back what you put into it...... two, i'm sure you could find a better roller somewhere, although after what you have been through and seen and the people and freinds you've made it may be some small consolation for the pokin you took, and also you have a great story of tenacity and dedication to a hobby that not many share in respect to how many people watched the show....the investment you've made must be astronomical and i'm wondering.....if you dont mind me asking .....what do u do for a living???? :scratchchin:
Racer,
I had and still am going to have (very very soon) the people that worked on Jeffs car continue to work on my car. Im 21, going to school, with (now, FINALLY!!) a very good job...they are MORE than reasonable. You would be surprised.
They are true artists no doubt.
You are right, Frank.. To say that they are reasonable is an understatement... not only did I get top quality work done that even the harshest critics couldn't pick apart, but I "saved" a bundle doing it.. If we were talking "normal restoration shop rates" I'd have gone broke before the car hit primer...
jb...your new pic says it all...GL is beautiful, finished, and finished well. Looks brand new! Worth the wait!
Quote from: chargergirl on February 09, 2010, 08:10:32 PM
jb...your new pic says it all...GL is beautiful, finished, and finished well. Looks brand new! Worth the wait!
Thank you!! :cheers:
Ok , I'm trying to wrap up a couple of small things before it FINALLY hits the streets....
Does anyone here have one of the covers I need for this hole inside my passenger's side front fender?
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/Hole.jpg)
:cheers: :cheers:
Jeff
I do not have one. ;D
Quote from: mikepmcs on March 06, 2010, 02:22:43 PM
Jeff
I do not have one. ;D
FINE! How about these two pcs of trim?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330407432384
Well, the BK curse lives on!!
Went for a nice cruise with the wife today... First cruise of the season.. Car was running GREAT!! We hit the beach, hung out for a while, then went back out...
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/Chuck/wallybeachMedium.jpg)
About 30 minutes down the road BANG BANG BANG BANG... :brickwall: coming from under the hood....
And hour later, removing the belts and checking things it is (thankfully) only the water pump...
So this Saturday it's time to change the pump, flush the entire system (BK ran water only, if you remember)...
At least it'll be ready for the season!!! But... WHEN WILL IT END!!!
The Fun never ends! :lol:
Jeff you doing it yourself?? If so maybe ill take the trip and help out.
Yea, I been having some issues lately to with the 1/25 version of it! :brickwall: :shruggy: Then last night I seen your post on facebook and was :-\ .
I'm a day behind on the work due to being sick afew days ago thanks to some bad french fries that smelled like a chicken coop! Then started on the scale version of it and then ran into issues also.
Jeff, I hope this week is better for the both of us man! Remember keep the chin up.
Quote from: FLG on April 04, 2010, 02:43:28 PM
Jeff you doing it yourself?? If so maybe ill take the trip and help out.
I'm not 100% sure where I'll be doing it yet. I might bring it over to my buddy's shop so that (just in case) anything goes wrong it's in the right place.. I put the belts back on tonight and tightened them up, so if it needed to be driven the mile down the road it could be.
Planning on doing a full system flush to get all of the "BK Water" out of the system... I should have done it last year, but didn't... You remember the condition my thermostat came on looking like, right?? Well this should look the same...
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_5567Large.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_5568Large.jpg)
I remember BK telling me "We fill all motors with distilled water".Surrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrre ya do.... :lol:
It's my own stupidity for not flushing the entire system out the right way last year...
Crikey! What a thread. I'm on page 15, with another 212 remaining.
I've been searching the net over the past few months looking for a Charger and discovered truemusclecars.com. Was so eager to push the button, but decided I'd be smart and right-click and "search Google for...".
Discovered their history (HLPAG), and the constant reference between them & BK led to this thread (and with it, this fantastic forum).
In this short time - everything I thought I knew about how a company approaches vehicle restorations has been completely flipped on its head, and I'll need to re-asses every route I thought I was going to take, once I acquire a vehicle.
I wouldn't have taken it to BK (wrong Country ;) ), but at the very least, it has put ideas in my head about how to deal with any person/s I approach to do any such work on a vehicle. What I expect, what they can deliver - and make sure both parties are clear on not just the end result, but in the manner that the desired result is accomplished.
It at least looks like you're got it back on the road, albeit temporarily :icon_smile_blackeye: ... hope the days comes in the very distant future that after years of fun driving, you and the General will be able to look back on this saga with a laugh.
All the best mate! :thumbs:
Well it's a good thing you keep the garage heated then, otherwise you'd have a $15k boat anchor motor.
No one could ever accuse you of not being resilient. :2thumbs:
Quote from: rooks on April 05, 2010, 04:47:00 AM
Crikey! What a thread. I'm on page 15, with another 212 remaining.
I've been searching the net over the past few months looking for a Charger and discovered truemusclecars.com. Was so eager to push the button, but decided I'd be smart and right-click and "search Google for...".
Discovered their history (HLPAG), and the constant reference between them & BK led to this thread (and with it, this fantastic forum).
In this short time - everything I thought I knew about how a company approaches vehicle restorations has been completely flipped on its head, and I'll need to re-asses every route I thought I was going to take, once I acquire a vehicle.
I wouldn't have taken it to BK (wrong Country ;) ), but at the very least, it has put ideas in my head about how to deal with any person/s I approach to do any such work on a vehicle. What I expect, what they can deliver - and make sure both parties are clear on not just the end result, but in the manner that the desired result is accomplished.
It at least looks like you're got it back on the road, albeit temporarily :icon_smile_blackeye: ... hope the days comes in the very distant future that after years of fun driving, you and the General will be able to look back on this saga with a laugh.
All the best mate! :thumbs:
welcome and glad you found out about hans before you got trapped
Quote from: 472 R/T SE on April 05, 2010, 03:24:04 PM
Well it's a good thing you keep the garage heated then, otherwise you'd have a $15k boat anchor motor.
No one could ever accuse you of not being resilient. :2thumbs:
Yeah, that's one way to put it...
As for the heated garage, I know what you're saying.. I can only imagine what it'll look like when we take the pump off... Brown mud is what I'm expecting...Such a shame, too, for a motor with MAYBE 200 miles on it. :brickwall:
Rooks --- I'm glad you found this thread.. To me, this makes it all worth it and it's served it's purpose. Even though you weren't buying from BK, you were looking in the direction of one of the (original) biggest scammers out there... hans LOVES taking people's $ and giving them crap.. Glad you weren't the next "victim" :cheers: :cheers:
Quote from: ionracer24 on February 09, 2010, 01:32:37 PM
They are true artists no doubt.
I agree totally!! :2thumbs:
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Wonder if they want a holliday in Aus.My car has been nakid for over 2 years.Got it sent home as the stress was tooooo much.At least all the rust is gone.
Quote from: jb666 on April 04, 2010, 08:48:02 AM
Well, the BK curse lives on!!
Went for a nice cruise with the wife today... First cruise of the season.. Car was running GREAT!! We hit the beach, hung out for a while, then went back out...
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/Chuck/wallybeachMedium.jpg)
About 30 minutes down the road BANG BANG BANG BANG... :brickwall: coming from under the hood....
And hour later, removing the belts and checking things it is (thankfully) only the water pump...
So this Saturday it's time to change the pump, flush the entire system (BK ran water only, if you remember)...
At least it'll be ready for the season!!! But... WHEN WILL IT END!!!
www no sorry to see this Jeff !! nothing BK done was right :brickwall:
makes you wonder if they work on their own persional cars / transport , or get another garage/shop to do it properly :shruggy: :popcrn:
I wish I could say that I've come across ONE THING that was done right, but I can't.. From beginning to end.. Start to finish... Nut to bolt.. This car was the epitome of the term HACK JOB.
I might have those inner fender covers you need on my parts car. I'll have to check. If so you can have them.
Paul
Thank you!!!!!!
Well, I think we're coming to the end of the BK curse... The water pump's set... Buttoned everything back up and... clank clank clank clank........ Noise coming from down low... :slap: It was a "loose" sound.. Picture the sound of two crystal glasses toasting...
I pulled the belts back off and reach down... :rotz: I tend to think the bolts holding the pulley on should be more than finger tight.... So , I climbed under the car and tightened up each of the hex head bolts... 3-4 turns each... Put the belts back on, cranked it over... perfect...
So, my next adventure will involve loc-tite... Because as I was going around to each of the bolts holding the pulley/bracket setup on, each was loose...
I guess this was a GOOD find, because, like Jon says, it could have been a LOT worse...
The car's off to Jon's shop to get the tranny adjusted (increase in line pressure), install a fuel sending unit and swap out my carb and do the final tune...
Then it's time to DRIVE IT LIKE I STOLE IT!!!!!!!!!!!! (http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/src:forums.corvetteforum.com/get/images/smilies/auto.gif)
And hopefully no more of this..... (http://domesticmisfits.net/forums/images/smilies/towtruck.gif)
It's a good idea to check every frigging bolt you can get a wrench or socket on anyway. Intake, carb, exhaust, chassis, axle, torque converter, everything! Some crap just seems to loosen up after some use even when done right! :yesnod:
Quote from: b5blue on April 09, 2010, 04:12:45 PM
It's a good idea to check every frigging bolt you can get a wrench or socket on anyway. Intake, carb, exhaust, chassis, axle, torque converter, everything! Some crap just seems to loosen up after some use even when done right! :yesnod:
Good advice, and it's what I've spent the past couple of nights checking over.. And what seems to keep loosening up now has a touch of Loc-tite..
:2thumbs: Don't forget engine mounts, starter bolts, u joint strap bolts and anything electrical too!
Quote from: b5blue on April 09, 2010, 04:37:45 PM
:2thumbs: Don't forget engine mounts, starter bolts, u joint strap bolts and anything electrical too!
That'll be covered this weekend when it's up in the air... :cheers:
Wow! Finally finished all 228 pages.
What a saga! This was a weird thread.
Started with what seemed like a few dodgy repairs, only to uncover an absolute despicable example of both business practice and workmanship. It was so bad that by the 100th page, every new post from you had me laughing my arse off. I do apologise for that, but sitting back reading this ordeal, it got to a point that all I could do was laugh - until this happened (http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,50620.msg596163.html#msg596163) :'( - my mood completely changed when I saw that post. That sucked.
After all that, you seem as chipper as the night before you bought it, which is an admirable trait. Plenty of people have gone off the deep end over lesser things. Although I wouldn't be surprised if you soon posted a "house-remodeling" thread to show the progress repairing all the holes you've kicked & punched throughout your home ;D
Has also been quite an insight into the vastness people can encounter between 2 companies supposedly in the same field. Absolute polar opposites in every way imaginable. Definitely makes you think, and will effect the decisions of anybody that has paid attention to this thread with how they look at workshops in the auto industry, and be a little more diligent in their pursuits regardless of whether they're after a ground-up resto, or just a minor service. That's not a bad thing, as it will help weed out the shitbags and keep those that are actually worth a damn, in business.
Whilst it's been an ordeal most of which you may want to forget, this is a General Lee with a fantastic history. Probably the most fascinating of any GL outside of those never actually affiliated with the original TV show.
Your last few posts indicate you arn't entirely out of the wood just yet, but it's good to know that very soon all this can be put behind you and all you'll have to worry about is if the weather will be good enough to kick it in the guts and hit the black-top.
Few things come to mind after finishing this thread:
Removing the emoticons from Chucks posts would cut the forums bandwidth usage in half.
Your wife is awesome! Putting up with everything and letting you actually keep the car after it all, puts her in the upper echelon of the Worlds greatest women. Never let her go.
Small pieces of carpet under the tyres :shruggy: - mate, seriously? :rofl:
... and please deliberately drive it in the rain :) Whilst I wouldn't suggest taking it out every time you get a hurricane warning, do remember you're driving a Hemi powered '69 Charger. Driving it in as many varying conditions as you can will help you learn more about the car, what it can & can't do, what it should & shouldn't do - and just as importantly - what you can & can't do, and what you should & shouldn't do, when you're in the drivers seat!
All the best mate ... drive the hell out of it! :drive:
Thanks man!!! That gave us both a good laugh... You are so right though, she's put up with a LOT out of me(and this car) over the course of the last (almost) 2 years, not to mention the years of listening to me say "I'm going to buy one... " , "I'm going to do it!" :lol:
Well, one could surmise that "driving it in the rain" got it into the shape it was in when you uncovered all that rust too..... :D
Quote from: Cooter on April 10, 2010, 09:21:44 AM
Well, one could surmise that "driving it in the rain" got it into the shape it was in when you uncovered all that rust too..... :D
The shape this thing was in I'd say it's more likely to have driven into the ocean.....
It arrived at Tube Chassis this morning.. Jon's going to final tune the car and make a few adjustments, now that it's been driven a bit, and it's off and ready for some good cruising weather!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Jeff I'm expecting a ride next time I see u :D
Quote from: jb666 on April 10, 2010, 03:10:23 PM
The shape this thing was in I'd say it's more likely to have driven into the ocean.....
Maybe BK got inspiration from
DoH: The Beginning and actually did fish it out of a river of some sort, for that touch of authenticity :icon_smile_big:
Quote from: rooks on April 10, 2010, 05:57:04 PM
Quote from: jb666 on April 10, 2010, 03:10:23 PM
The shape this thing was in I'd say it's more likely to have driven into the ocean.....
Maybe BK got inspiration from DoH: The Beginning and actually did fish it out of a river of some sort, for that touch of authenticity :icon_smile_big:
:lol: I THINK SO!!
Quote from: FLG on April 10, 2010, 05:21:28 PM
Jeff I'm expecting a ride next time I see u :D
Count on it, Frank.. The way this thing's goes, there's no way I WOULDN'T give you a ride!!
Just when you thought it was safe to go back on the road.....
As you all know, the car's been at Tube Chassis getting tuned, or so we thought... He started digging into why it wouldn't run right under 1500 RPMS.. Originally we thought it was because of the size of the cam... Then the cam timing.. Then a few other theories.. But they would all be too easy.
The motor's out. It's FUBAR. It's off to a builder... It's a long story and I don't feel like getting into it right now...
I wish this was an April Fool's joke, but it's not...
What the fuck!
Since it was supposedly purchased new, any idea of whether the motor actually came with any kind of warranty? Or did BK do a swtcharoo and keep the new $20k Hemi for themselves?
Arsehats!
Quote from: rooks on April 13, 2010, 06:58:33 PM
What the fuck!
Since it was supposedly purchased new, any idea of whether the motor actually came with any kind of warranty? Or did BK do a swtcharoo and keep the new $20k Hemi for themselves?
Arsehats!
You know, I wish I could answer that question... To say that BK did something to this motor would be a trumped up story that I couldn't back up.
As for a warranty, no.. Talked to MP about that and they said if it was the first year of ownership, fine, but it's been 3-4 years since the motor was "built", if you want to call it that..
If you Google "472 Hemi crate engine problems" the results are astounding. The first and second gen motors had a 70% fail rate..
It goes on and on...
http://www.thehemi.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=8328
http://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=5816934&Main=5801865
http://forum1.aimoo.com/Mopar_Message_Board/category/MP-472-Hemi-Crate-performs-poorly-1-1741580.html
http://www.justanswer.com/questions/17lxw-i-have-mp-472-hemi-crate-it-smokes-brand-new-first-i
And that's just a tip of the iceburg... So all I can say is that it appears MP dropped the ball (or their builder did) on a lot of these motors... I can't say this doesn't happen with GM/Ford, but that's not the issue here.. The issue is I have a motor with 200 miles on it that's failing a leakdown test miserably, blowing more smoke than a 1950 bi-plane and will barely idle to save it's life...
So it's off to Reed's Performance to be built, thanks to the incredible effort put forth by Jon... Without this guy I would be SCREWED, plain and simple... I'd be looking at my car all summer instead of driving it...
Oh well, off to hit my head against my wall for a while... I seriously have had it :brickwall: this is the last fkng thing I needed right now..
Sorry for your troubles Jeff. At least you know it's being done right. Wish I had a motor to give you for now.
Hang in there.
Quote from: mikepmcs on April 13, 2010, 07:38:54 PM
Sorry for your troubles Jeff. At least you know it's being done right. Wish I had a motor to give you for now.
Hang in there.
Boy, it looks like we both got hit with some not so good luck in the last past week. His car came up with issues and my hard drive went out on my vista pc that I had which is also at the repair shop getting fix and I'm stuck with a loaner vista that loves to do updates constandlly :brickwall:. But Jeff is getting hit worst though. I have no ide awhen I will be getting my pc back. But some good news for Jeff, I am at this point am getting starting working on his model once again after not working on it for almost a week as I had no photos for reff. I am right now going through afew emails and also this thread to find afew photos I need to see to at least get back on track. BTW Jeff, I have the motor for the model all back togother and everything in nice shape just have to start back up where I was at before is all. I wasn't looking for the pc to crap the bed like it did.
Maybe afew photos of the scale version might cheer Jeff up alittle. ;)
Quote from: MoparManJim on April 13, 2010, 07:52:29 PM
Maybe afew photos of the scale version might cheer Jeff up alittle. ;)
Forget that ... at this point, he's more than earned some bouncing boobies!
(http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d99/rookskickz/avatars/Moparbits.gif)
I would have posted some real ones, but some people are easily offended. I'm not exactly sure where the "line"
is on this forum yet, and didn't want to get myself removed from it :)
Jeff this totally blows.
Any idea on the ETA of the completed rebuild?
If i managed to get my 493 built id sure as hell let you drop it in the general for break-in :2thumbs:
No way.... :brickwall:
How can things just keep going wrong with your car..??
I'll keep my fingers crossed that this will be your last problem with the Lee...
sorry to hear about your troubles this sucks !!!!
Quote from: jb666 on April 13, 2010, 06:31:05 PM
Just when you thought it was safe to go back on the road.....
As you all know, the car's been at Tube Chassis getting tuned, or so we thought... He started digging into why it wouldn't run right under 1500 RPMS.. Originally we thought it was because of the size of the cam... Then the cam timing.. Then a few other theories.. But they would all be too easy.
The motor's out. It's FUBAR. It's off to a builder... It's a long story and I don't feel like getting into it right now...
I wish this was an April Fool's joke, but it's not...
awww man , noo not more stuff sorry to hear this Jeff :brickwall:
Iam sure in the back of your mind you had concerns about the motor as well. Since every other aspect of the car that BK touched was so pitifully done. I know you had your doubts about the motor. Just one more setback for you though. Nothing left now that they could of screwed up is there. It sucks this happend , but Iam sure in the end you will have alot more trust and faith in the car. Sorry to see more bad luck thrown your way, but I know you will win in the end with this car.
WOW...just wow.
I'm so sorry to hear yet another problem for you JB. If you were to throw in the towel I'd totally understand at this point. After all you've been through though this can't break you. :Twocents:
The only reason I bought mine was cause I had faith in Cummins since it came with a dyno sheet & the parts manager at the dealership guaranteed it. Of course that was March '06 when I bought mine.
This is most likely all on Mopar Performance. :rotz:
DANG JEFF!! I'm sorry to hear this. Goes to figure that was the last piece.
Quote from: Charger74 on April 15, 2010, 10:07:27 AM
DANG JEFF!! I'm sorry to hear this. Goes to figure that was the last piece.
WRONG!!!!!!!!!! :brickwall:
I got a call from Jon, this morning... He said that my driver's side motor mount was broken in two.....
What would you guys recommend for a good mount?? I figured there was some voices of experience here. :popcrn:
oooh wait a minute. Ron posted a thread on motor mounts that has your answer. It's the way you modify the mount so it holds and won't allow the motor to bust loose on you.
gimme a minute
here it is. WOOT!
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,13216.0.html
Mike I already sent jeff an email of that thread...slowpoke :nana:
Thanks, Guys!!
Obviously , BB Mopar engine mounts aren't the same as the Hemi... So where would you suggest getting a good set of Hemi mounts??
http://engine-swaps.com/
call these schumacher guys and then do Rons mod to the new mounts.
Torque strap for added confidence?
Not what you wanna hear but now might be the time to check all the welds on that K frame.
I have schumacher mounts, prolly what you have as I don't know of many other vendors making the Hemi adaptive mounts.
Quote from: 472 R/T SE on April 15, 2010, 10:49:29 PM
Torque strap for added confidence?
Not what you wanna hear but now might be the time to check all the welds on that K frame.
I have schumacher mounts, prolly what you have as I don't know of many other vendors making the Hemi adaptive mounts.
I Agree, Get that K member welded up now that it's accesable, Contact firm feel, there is a ready made kit available or you can simply send in your core for one already done.
You are made of money, arn't you :icon_smile_question:
Either way it's a worth while upgrade if your planning to stick with a factory front end.
http://www.firmfeel.com/reinfkfram_b.htm (http://www.firmfeel.com/reinfkfram_b.htm)
Ron
Eventually you'll have a full resto....You've just gone about it the long way :yesnod:
Well, Ron... Yeah, I guess you could say this whole thing has been bass-akwards... Then again, it's how I normally do things...
As for the K-Frame, Jon's already had that out and did some work to it.. BK had cut it to pcs and left it looking like Swiss Cheese... And it is one of the Firmfeel units, so THAT'S one good thing... BK had supplied it with their "Build", and then decided to cut it. :shruggy:
It's also been decided that , now that the motor's out, the engine bay is going to match the rest of the car.. Perfect, painted Orange and CLEAN... Why not, it's only money.
:slap:
Gett out that razor sharp shovel Jeff, You're not done diggin yet !!
What type of MEDS do you have your wife on ?
Geeze, when it gets to me spending excessivly on the Charger She'll pull a fast one and go on a spree and neutralize the account.
Tit for tat I guess.
It's OK though My hobbies are usually much bigger than hers.
Ron
I am puzzled why you didnt do a comprehensive survey of all the mechanicals etc on this car at the beginning of your rebuild.
Quote from: SFRT on April 16, 2010, 12:58:17 PM
I am puzzled why you didnt do a comprehensive survey of all the mechanicals etc on this car at the beginning of your rebuild.
We actually did... In the beginning a compression test and leakdown was done.. Everything was fine. Progressively, from driving it a bit and firing it up it got worse and worse.. By the time I drove it to Jon's it was smoking pretty good. He couldn't believe the difference, because when tested this time around it failed miserably.
Haven't checked in here for a while. Sorry to hear about yet another set back. Car looks sweet though, should be on the road again soon.
Quote from: jb666 on April 16, 2010, 07:44:31 AM
It's also been decided that , now that the motor's out, the engine bay is going to match the rest of the car.. Perfect, painted Orange and CLEAN...
Thank you, thank you, thank you !!!
Watching the rebuild take place and seeing what you've gone threw, I just couldn't bare to bring it up, as I didn't want to add insult to injury.
Black engine bays are absolutely vulgar on anything other than a black car! They can make the best rebuild appear shit and cheap ... So glad you've seen the light! :2thumbs:
Quote from: rooks on April 18, 2010, 01:23:06 AM
Quote from: jb666 on April 16, 2010, 07:44:31 AM
It's also been decided that , now that the motor's out, the engine bay is going to match the rest of the car.. Perfect, painted Orange and CLEAN...
Thank you, thank you, thank you !!!
Watching the rebuild take place and seeing what you've gone threw, I just couldn't bare to bring it up, as I didn't want to add insult to injury.
Black engine bays are absolutely vulgar on anything other than a black car! They can make the best rebuild appear shit and cheap ... So glad you've seen the light! :2thumbs:
Well, a couple of things had come up on this subject, in my own defense... Most GL's had Black engine bays, so I wanted to stay as 'close' to that look as I could.. And, with everything else that had happened THE LAST THING I WANTED TO DO (so I thought) was pull the "perfectly running motor" out to prep/paint the engine bay... :slap:
Well, once again the joke's on me, and the time it right.. I think it'll look amazing when it's done. :cheers:
I'm a newb that's wandered over here from BangShift yesterday and have been catching up on things in this ongoing saga (I'm on page 22 of this book here so far). I wasn't planning on commenting until I'd read the whole thread but then I wandered over to BK's website and saw something that made it "personal" so to speak since I own one of these cars...
http://www.bkauto.net/media/images/glf66.gif
If you follow the link, take a look at the car in the background on the left. That's a red 1958 Plymouth Belvedere. This is an old pic (the page on his website where this is posted was dated 2006) so I have no idea who's car is was or whatever became of it, but I certainly hope it wasn't butchered the way your Charger was. Argh. :shruggy:
I have to say, you must have the patience of a saint Jeff.... this would have given me a coronary by now. Wow. :popcrn:
If "what don't kill ya makes ya stronger", you must be frickin Superman buy now Jeff! My hat is off to you and your checkbook for seeing this project through! :yesnod:
Quote from: b5blue on April 19, 2010, 04:28:30 PM
If "what don't kill ya makes ya stronger", you must be frickin Superman buy now Jeff! My hat is off to you and your checkbook for seeing this project through! :yesnod:
My checkbook doesn't exist any more... As for being Superman, it's more like Sampson after his hair cut.. I'm just feeling kind of beat up right about now!!
Quote from: dm1327 on April 19, 2010, 10:45:14 AM
I'm a newb that's wandered over here from BangShift yesterday and have been catching up on things in this ongoing saga (I'm on page 22 of this book here so far). I wasn't planning on commenting until I'd read the whole thread but then I wandered over to BK's website and saw something that made it "personal" so to speak since I own one of these cars...
http://www.bkauto.net/media/images/glf66.gif
If you follow the link, take a look at the car in the background on the left. That's a red 1958 Plymouth Belvedere. This is an old pic (the page on his website where this is posted was dated 2006) so I have no idea who's car is was or whatever became of it, but I certainly hope it wasn't butchered the way your Charger was. Argh. :shruggy:
I have to say, you must have the patience of a saint Jeff.... this would have given me a coronary by now. Wow. :popcrn:
hey, good to see you over from the land of BangShift!!
Patience of a saint? Now THERE'S something I haven't been accused of!!!! As for the coronary, I think this is the big one , Elizabeth, I'm comin' to join ya!
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_EaV221bYaso/Sais6ZX_ftI/AAAAAAAAAyU/aeMZ49mHGGY/s400/Fred+Sanford+Heart+Attack.jpg)
I'm up to page 67 and all I can say is, if I did the kind of work that BK did, even on my personal vehicle, I'd kick my own ass.
Wow. Just wow. :eek2:
Quote from: dm1327 on April 19, 2010, 07:14:09 PM
I'm up to page 67 and all I can say is, if I did the kind of work that BK did, even on my personal vehicle, I'd kick my own ass.
Wow. Just wow. :eek2:
Well, you ain't seen nothing yet... Keep on reading :lol:
I asked Jon, the other day, if I had the worst case of HOLY SHIT, THIS IS THE WORST EVER :o that he had ever seen... He said "no, but you do have the worst case of HOLY SHIT, MORE?!?!" that he's ever seen...
We still don't have the final autopsy on the motor... Maybe tomorrow. :popcrn:
So... I get an email from Jon today... Made my heart drop...
Subject: Reids cant do it
I am sending it here http://www.angelfire.com/in/muncie/B-K-Machine.html
It you click on the link you'll see the joke... But like I said, when I first read it I thought "WHY? What NOW?!?!?!" :brickwall: Friends like this who needs enemas??
Quote from: jb666 on April 20, 2010, 08:04:29 PM
So... I get an email from Jon today... Made my heart drop...
Subject: Reids cant do it
I am sending it here http://www.angelfire.com/in/muncie/B-K-Machine.html
It you click on the link you'll see the joke... But like I said, when I first read it I thought "WHY? What NOW?!?!?!" :brickwall: Friends like this who needs enemas??
I love Jon's humor :smilielol:
Quote from: mopar73 on April 20, 2010, 08:15:41 PM
Quote from: jb666 on April 20, 2010, 08:04:29 PM
So... I get an email from Jon today... Made my heart drop...
Subject: Reids cant do it
I am sending it here http://www.angelfire.com/in/muncie/B-K-Machine.html
It you click on the link you'll see the joke... But like I said, when I first read it I thought "WHY? What NOW?!?!?!" :brickwall: Friends like this who needs enemas??
I love Jon's humor :smilielol:
Yeah, Jon's a hoot... Kind of like that infection that just won't go away. :icon_smile_big: It's pretty amazing watching him work, though, being close to a 500lb guy, he really gets around and is pretty agile considering he's the size of a wrecking ball.
Well, the autopsy report came in today.
Cause of death? IMPROPER BREAK-IN. (and before anyone asks, no, I didn't break the motor in.. It was supposedly "done" before I got the car.. The motor was in it for several months before I bought it and was put through the break-in period.)
Seals, bearings.. Scored cylinder(s).
The block is all honed ... The rest of the work will be done next week and I should have it back at some point next week (the motor that is!!)
So... It could DEFINITELY be worse news...
Well, at least the mill wasn't complete trash. It was something that kept repeating itself in my head over and over while I was reading though... he needs to pull that motor. He needs to pull that motor... :scratchchin:
BTW: I finally finished all 230 pages of this thread the other day. Felt so down after I was through that I spent the next two days down in my garage working on my own project.
BK - Bad Karma :eek2:
oh crikey !! :rotz: well dont sound all that bad !! could of been a lot worse knowing BKs track record :icon_smile_blackeye:
good time to up the compression & slip in a bigger cam :yesnod: :icon_smile_wink:
yeah your right there ! DM1327 BK bad Karma :icon_smile_blackeye:
Quote from: dm1327 on April 23, 2010, 07:30:23 PM
Well, at least the mill wasn't complete trash. It was something that kept repeating itself in my head over and over while I was reading though... he needs to pull that motor. He needs to pull that motor... :scratchchin:
BTW: I finally finished all 230 pages of this thread the other day. Felt so down after I was through that I spent the next two days down in my garage working on my own project.
BK - Bad Karma :eek2:
Quote from: dm1327 on April 23, 2010, 07:30:23 PM
Well, at least the mill wasn't complete trash. It was something that kept repeating itself in my head over and over while I was reading though... he needs to pull that motor. He needs to pull that motor... :scratchchin:
BTW: I finally finished all 230 pages of this thread the other day. Felt so down after I was through that I spent the next two days down in my garage working on my own project.
BK - Bad Karma :eek2:
you know, a LOT of people were saying that... But I felt some what at ease when the leakdown/compression tests came back with positive results, in the beginning... it just gradually got worse, and worse, and ..... Had the motor been trashed completely I think I may have given up... Enough is enough :brickwall:
Quote from: tan top on April 23, 2010, 07:55:02 PM
oh crikey !! :rotz: well dont sound all that bad !! could of been a lot worse knowing BKs track record :icon_smile_blackeye:
good time to up the compression & slip in a bigger cam :yesnod: :icon_smile_wink:
yeah your right there ! DM1327 BK bad Karma :icon_smile_blackeye:
Quote from: dm1327 on April 23, 2010, 07:30:23 PM
Well, at least the mill wasn't complete trash. It was something that kept repeating itself in my head over and over while I was reading though... he needs to pull that motor. He needs to pull that motor... :scratchchin:
BTW: I finally finished all 230 pages of this thread the other day. Felt so down after I was through that I spent the next two days down in my garage working on my own project.
BK - Bad Karma :eek2:
The cam that's in it is a monster... Can't get much bigger and expect to drive it on the street... .582 intake, .564 exhaust ,duration 248 @.050 :o
Quote from: jb666 on April 25, 2010, 11:55:55 AM
..... Had the motor been trashed completely I think I may have given up... Enough is enough :brickwall:
Quote
The heck you would've. You would've had a road trip to come get my motor for the summer or I'd a pulled the coronet's 440 for a loaner. :2thumbs: You ain't giving up now.
Quote from: mikepmcs on April 25, 2010, 12:45:18 PM
Quote from: jb666 on April 25, 2010, 11:55:55 AM
..... Had the motor been trashed completely I think I may have given up... Enough is enough :brickwall:
Quote
The heck you would've. You would've had a road trip to come get my motor for the summer or I'd a pulled the coronet's 440 for a loaner. :2thumbs: You ain't giving up now.
I don't know, Mike.. When Jon called me and told me the motor was coming out, I just about dropped out of the game... it's ridiculous.. I've justified my stupidity and this ENTIRE build around the fact that the car had a killer strong motor... :brickwall: now I have ZERO defense....
Hang in there Jeff.
You can still take comfort in knowing you own one of the most desired cars on the planet. :cheers:
The money aspect really sucks and the frustration of having one thing after another takes a toll but I try to look at it like....I'm grateful I can have these woes. I know that doesn't make it any better, it's just the perspective I try to keep.
I love you man!!!!
ya, you can't give up now. I have got to see this GL in person someday. :cheers:
Quote from: jb666 on April 25, 2010, 11:55:55 AM
The cam that's in it is a monster... Can't get much bigger and expect to drive it on the street... .582 intake, .564 exhaust ,duration 248 @.050 :o
Remember these threads'. I will also say the baffle in one of my valve covers broke off from repeated contact.Quote from: Go Hogs Go on December 23, 2008, 04:40:51 PM
I don't understand the "cam" part. The 472 already comes with a cam that is way too aggressive for the valvetrain MP provides with the engine. We had to put a smaller cam in my 472 crate to correct the geometry and keep the lifters from wearing out the valvestems prematurely. The picture of your Hemi in the crate shows it also has the correct oil pan from MP.
Quote from: Go Hogs Go on December 23, 2008, 05:00:23 PM
I went down to a .512 lift cam and my vacuum and clearance problems went away. That cam is just way to tall for the stock Hemi valvetrain. The lifters push down too far on the valve stem and cause them to open at an angle that wears one side out. It also causes the pushrod to push the backside of the lifter into the valve covers. My engine was way more fun to drive with the smaller cam. The power started coming on at 1600 and built from there. The power didn't really start on the MP cam until about 2,400 and you had to keep it above 3,000 rpm to stay in the meat of the power band.
Quote from: 472 R/T SE on April 25, 2010, 04:01:22 PM
Quote from: jb666 on April 25, 2010, 11:55:55 AM
The cam that's in it is a monster... Can't get much bigger and expect to drive it on the street... .582 intake, .564 exhaust ,duration 248 @.050 :o
Remember these threads'. I will also say the baffle in one of my valve covers broke off from repeated contact.
Quote from: Go Hogs Go on December 23, 2008, 04:40:51 PM
I don't understand the "cam" part. The 472 already comes with a cam that is way too aggressive for the valvetrain MP provides with the engine. We had to put a smaller cam in my 472 crate to correct the geometry and keep the lifters from wearing out the valvestems prematurely. The picture of your Hemi in the crate shows it also has the correct oil pan from MP.
Quote from: Go Hogs Go on December 23, 2008, 05:00:23 PM
I went down to a .512 lift cam and my vacuum and clearance problems went away. That cam is just way to tall for the stock Hemi valvetrain. The lifters push down too far on the valve stem and cause them to open at an angle that wears one side out. It also causes the pushrod to push the backside of the lifter into the valve covers. My engine was way more fun to drive with the smaller cam. The power started coming on at 1600 and built from there. The power didn't really start on the MP cam until about 2,400 and you had to keep it above 3,000 rpm to stay in the meat of the power band.
Indeed I do remember those... And you're right. I already had to order a set of custom made (Ansen) valve covers due to contact issues. Power brakes have been eliminated, as well... And my torque converter was built with the specs of the motor (3500 stall) so it's already nailing the power band when I stomp on it... HOPEFULLY it'll be driveable, and fun, when it's back.
The good thing is that the motor will be 100% broken in when it gets back to Jon. It'll be done on the dyno.
Quote from: mikepmcs on April 25, 2010, 01:46:55 PM
Hang in there Jeff.
You can still take comfort in knowing you own one of the most desired cars on the planet. :cheers:
The money aspect really sucks and the frustration of having one thing after another takes a toll but I try to look at it like....I'm grateful I can have these woes. I know that doesn't make it any better, it's just the perspective I try to keep.
I love you man!!!!
hey, thanks Mike!! You are right about what you said... I guess I should consider myself "lucky" to be ABLE to have these problems...
Quote from: dm1327 on April 25, 2010, 01:50:49 PM
ya, you can't give up now. I have got to see this GL in person someday. :cheers:
I hope so, man... Any time!! :cheers: :cheers:
If it was a Gen 2 motor it should have been broken in on the dyno. When you buy the motor you get the dyno sheet.
Quote from: 472 R/T SE on April 25, 2010, 05:05:23 PM
If it was a Gen 2 motor it should have been broken in on the dyno. When you buy the motor you get the dyno sheet.
Mine's a first gen... For all I know, he (Brian OR BK) got the dyno sheet, but I never saw it... I'll have one this time around...
In the slips from BK, there was one for "break in" with a hefty bill.. Also, instructions on how to break it in from there. :lol:
I never got the paperwork from MP when my boat anchor, I mean crate engine came in. It just had a sheet of paper in the crate that said dyno tested. :icon_smile_blackeye:
Holy Moly and God Bless you for Everything you have gone through with this rebuild. He is truly your build.
I just wanted to say I love you man........ This is just about over so hang in there like Mike said. OH yah, I love Mike toooooooooo....
Hang in there jeff! Almost done dude.
I was wondering where you were went skippy!
Yea right :eek2:
Hang in there bro! This may tickle your fancy a bit though. BK doesn't do General Lee's anymore. At least they don't have them on their website...
Quote from: teamroth on April 29, 2010, 04:37:24 PM
Hang in there bro! This may tickle your fancy a bit though. BK doesn't do General Lee's anymore. At least they don't have them on their website...
Really?? I haven't been there in so long I had no idea... That's the best news I've heard in weeks.... I'd be even happier to hear that their "customers" all learned how to use a search engine and discovered what hacks they were before even handing a buck over...
Quote from: teamroth on April 29, 2010, 04:37:24 PM
Hang in there bro! This may tickle your fancy a bit though. BK doesn't do General Lee's anymore. At least they don't have them on their website...
Well, after browsing through their site, I have to say it doesn't look much different to me? All of the Lee's are still up there, as far as I can tell? :shruggy: I don't think they've updated that site since this thread began...
I thought BK was out of business and in jail? :o
Quote from: jb666 on April 29, 2010, 06:47:55 PM
Quote from: teamroth on April 29, 2010, 04:37:24 PM
Hang in there bro! This may tickle your fancy a bit though. BK doesn't do General Lee's anymore. At least they don't have them on their website...
Well, after browsing through their site, I have to say it doesn't look much different to me? All of the Lee's are still up there, as far as I can tell? :shruggy: I don't think they've updated that site since this thread began...
I'm wrong bro, I was looking on the wrong page. MY BAD!
Good news!!!
My engine bay is done, painted and ready for my motor as of 4PM today...
As of 4:15PM today my MOTOR IS DONE!!
I'm heading to the builder's shop tomorrow to video the motor on the dyno... Pretty pumped about that...
Then the motor goes in. Jon's going to do up some solid mounts for me and take care of any future problems... I don't want to worry about breaking any more mounts and it's too late for a torque strap (fresh paint + grinding and welding = :slap: )
Anyways, I'll post up a video tomorrow...
Here's my message from Jon...
Engines together, going on the dyno tomorrow, it got rings, bearings,
cam had chips in it
Here are the pictures that came with it. Now keep in mind that this motor had 200 miles on it! Jon said it looks like new, now...
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good news !! lookign forward to seeing videos & more pictures Jeff :2thumbs: :yesnod:
wow those cylinders are scored :icon_smile_blackeye: what did BK do fit the motor then take the intake off
& left the ports open :slap: while they atempted to do the metal work on the body :brickwall: :RantExplode:
Quote from: tan top on May 06, 2010, 07:48:11 PM
good news !! lookign forward to seeing videos & more pictures Jeff :2thumbs: :yesnod:
wow those cylinders are scored :icon_smile_blackeye: what did BK do fit the motor then take the intake off while &left the ports open they atempted to do the metal work on the body :brickwall: :RantExplode:
I have no idea...But they were bad.. But thank God all is perfect now!!! I'm nervous about the engine dyno... I've heard about them, but never witnessed one.. Full load, screaming through the RPM's... Hmmm.... Sounds like fun :o
Well...judging by the cross hatch....yeah...200miles on it...judging by the scored cylinder walls???? Someone didnt know what they were doing.
Wow... I just plowed through this thread. It took two sittings but I did it.
I'm glad you had the determination and deep enough pockets to save this car. I've gone through a lot to get my 'Cuda project going (and nearly complete), but it's nothing compared to your saga. I would have thrown my hands up in the air and bought something else. There is no way I could have dealt with the stomach churning discoveries you made.
I'm not a fan of Lee clones, but given what you've done for this car, I think you're exempt from any criticism with what you want to do with your ride... as long as it doesn't involve bondo and a pack of cigarettes.
Jeff I missed the entire motor saga! Sorry to hear it man but Im glad you are back up & running again.... :thumbs:
Thanks guys... I'm glad, too!! I went, Friday afternoon, to Reid's Automotive and got to watch, video and take pictures of my motor on it's dyno run... Pretty exciting stuff, and definitely exhilarating. Watching the motor torque under the load all the way up to 6500 RPM's was amazing...
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When I get a copy of it I'll post up the dyno results, but the first couple of runs gave around 520/540. I'm losing some top-end power because I'm running a 750 not an 850, but to be honest with you I'm not interested in top end power and I can promise you I'll NEVER have this motor at 6K... So , for this season, I'm happy with the #'s it's got... Then we can decide, this winter, if the car will see a blower...
Jon gets to pick the motor up tomorrow... Which is very exciting and means that I could have it back for Friday night's cruise!!!!
jeff, man, don't take this the wrong way... but I love you! :lol:, I was just working with your model here and the fan belt set up came off on me (I thought I had that issue fixed alread) and now with seeing your photos of the engine. This gives me a perfect chance to do some work that I been wanting to do on the engine (as in more realistic). Like I said before the model build only gets better from here out man.
Do you got a single plan or dual plane intake manifold, That will affect your top end also. Duration on cam also.:scratchchin: Sorry to here about your motor problems, real bummer after that BK Fiasco. LEON.
:drool5: awesome !! :yesnod: :2thumbs:
Pretty baby purr...sounds like success and great cruisin'! Congrats! and breathe!
Thanks...
The cam was actually dropped down a notch from what was originally quoted , but it'll be a bit more streetable.. Not quite enough to make decent vacuum, so it looks like the brakes will stay the same until I decide to go with a hydroboost setup.
Here's a quick video of it taken on my IPhone... I had my good HD DVR set up in the dyno room on the tripod.. It was SO LOUD in there that it killed the audio.. I was bummed...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4u3Mxbu8yA
Anyways, Jon's picking up the motor in the morning.. The builder spent the entire day on it today making sure everything was absolutely perfect.. They did a GREAT job on my baby!!! :cheers: :cheers:
sounds healthy, my hats off again to your patience and persistance!
SHIFT YOU IDIOT.....SHIFT!!!!! :rofl:
The engine sounded nice. When I got to see my stroker run on the dyno I was all smiles. I couldn't see you in the video, but I could tell you were grinning ear to ear. :icon_smile_big:
Wow, I haven't read the thread for awhile. I guess it was to be expected as everything else has gone wrong. At least no stones have been left unturned now :2thumbs:
It sounds awesome :2thumbs:
Quote from: General_01 on May 10, 2010, 09:42:37 PM
SHIFT YOU IDIOT.....SHIFT!!!!! :rofl:
The engine sounded nice. When I got to see my stroker run on the dyno I was all smiles. I couldn't see you in the video, but I could tell you were grinning ear to ear. :icon_smile_big:
You'd better believe I was!!!
Quote from: The70RT on May 10, 2010, 09:54:26 PM
Wow, I haven't read the thread for awhile. I guess it was to be expected as everything else has gone wrong. At least no stones have been left unturned now :2thumbs:
That's what they call "looking on the bright side"... I've been trying to do that lately...
Quote from: 69*F5*SE on May 11, 2010, 07:04:03 AM
It sounds awesome :2thumbs:
Thank you :cheers: :cheers:
Quote from: c00nhunterjoe on May 10, 2010, 09:30:27 PM
sounds healthy, my hats off again to your patience and persistance!
I'm about out of both... But, as others have said, there's nothing left to go wrong...
I took some pictures of the cam that came out of the motor, tonight.. Some nice chips in the lobes...
Hi Jeff. :leaving:
Glad things are coming together. :2thumbs:
Quote from: mikepmcs on May 11, 2010, 06:58:02 PM
Hi Jeff. :leaving:
Glad things are coming together. :2thumbs:
Thanks, Mike...
Jon called me last night to tell me I could "pick it up Friday on my way to the local car show"... Except that it's supposed to rain, so there won't be a car show...
But, with any luck this weekend I'll be out cruising SMOKE FREE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :o
If your smoke free jeff than you obviously arent putting your foot down hard enough :rofl:
That's enough out of you, frank.
WORD. O0
Sorry Jeff,
I forgot you roll with the little pieces of carpet under the wheels, we wouldnt want the general getting dirty.
Do you do that at car shows as well? :rofl: :rofl:
Quote from: FLG on May 12, 2010, 11:34:11 AM
Sorry Jeff,
I forgot you roll with the little pieces of carpet under the wheels, we wouldnt want the general getting dirty.
Do you do that at car shows as well? :rofl: :rofl:
I imagine this could be done everywhere with a revolving carpet deal set up like tank tracks? :scratchchin:
Yes!
But it needs to be a nice red carpet :2thumbs:
Quote from: FLG on May 12, 2010, 11:34:11 AM
Sorry Jeff,
I forgot you roll with the little pieces of carpet under the wheels, we wouldnt want the general getting dirty.
Do you do that at car shows as well? :rofl: :rofl:
Man that sure sounds good on that dyno. :2thumbs:
Quote from: FLG on May 12, 2010, 11:34:11 AM
Sorry Jeff,
I forgot you roll with the little pieces of carpet under the wheels, we wouldnt want the general getting dirty.
Do you do that at car shows as well? :rofl: :rofl:
You're a funny guy Frank.. Must be all that snow and salt that WONT rot cars that you drive through that's corrupting your brain.
Go back to watching Barnie and leave us working people alone!!
Quote from: Tilar on May 12, 2010, 12:13:19 PM
Man that sure sounds good on that dyno. :2thumbs:
Thank you :cheers:
Um, hey Jeff.
Is there anything BK left on/in your car (hopefully not) or have all other the other shoes now finally fallen?
Best, Neal
Quote from: Neal_J on May 12, 2010, 03:12:17 PM
Um, hey Jeff.
Is there anything BK left on/in your car (hopefully not) or have all other the other shoes now finally fallen?
Best, Neal
Well, Neal, I've been asking myself the same question....Over, and over, and over....... To the best of my knowledge(which is dwindling by the day) NO there is not. Aside from the lug nuts (which have been checked) and the glove box door (which will be super glued shut) I think I'm out of the woods.....
But, NEVER SAY NEVER... All I know is I have this nice pointy hat on, as I sit in the corner of the room with my stool..... And realize what a complete and udder mistake this car has been since day one :rofl:
Well, I am officially on my way to pick the car up at jon's shop. Let's hope this is the end of this saga.
Quote from: jb666 on May 13, 2010, 05:51:48 PM
Well, I am officially on my way to pick the car up at jon's shop. Let's hope this is the end of this saga.
Good luck bro. My fingers are crossed!
Rock on, Bro!
:cheers:
Thank you, guys!!
Ok, The General has come home (deja vu!!).
For those of you who have been keeping up... The engine bay was, and was going to stay BLACK...
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Well, the last month changed everything... Bad motor, empty engine bay, time to make it the way Ma Mopar intended it to be... Clean and ORANGE!!
Just a few quick shots I took... keeping in mind that none of the rubber is installed yet, I think the engine bay looks 100X better. To those of you that said PAINT IT ORANGE, I thank you! To Chuck, Blair and Paul who MADE IT ORANGE, I SAY THANK YOU 1,000X OVER! To Reid's, if you're watching, the car runs AWESOME ---> Thank you! And finally, to Jon @ Tube Chassis Designz for making this job look easy and doing a amazing work!! I know we're not done (Painless kit goes in on Monday after a long discussion about the one remaining BK item --- THE FUSE PANEL), but this car wouldn't be 1% of what it is with out your skills... yo da man!!
Ok, I'm done blubbering... Here goes...
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Eyes wide open for the journey home (which darkness did join me on)
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I'm happy to report that it doesn't smoke, sputter or miss a beat... Jon hadn't started the car since 10AM today.. He reached his arm in the window, hit the key and BOOM, as if it were fuel injected, it fired over and idled... Something this has never done!!
This weekend will be cool... 70 degree weather, sunshine and open roads... And I'm TAKING ADVANTAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Jeff, why is it :lol:, each time I see you posted in here I just know there will be photos :lol:? Now, for a good question, where does the engine bay bars end at down there? I need to know asap for a project I'm working on changing afew things around on :lol: . I will be posting photos of that also in my thread before long here or by the weekend of what I been doing or trying to do that is and keep up with your updates on the real one :lol: :2thumbs: :lol:
I must say I also love the orange bay to :2thumbs:
Thanks, Jim. I'll grab a shot of that area for you. :cheers:
Looks great Jeff....now we need some driving vids :drive:
Quote from: Just 6T9 CHGR on May 13, 2010, 08:21:29 PM
Looks great Jeff....now we need some driving vids :drive:
Coming right up...
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You'll laugh at this one... I call this video an EPIC FAIL... I had my IPhone wedged in between the dash and the windshield.. It was in there pretty secure, or so I thought... :brickwall:
If this doesn't load, give it a sec, it might still be uploading...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXnnm0h7C7Y
Looks great jeff!!! Can't wait for mine.
I also have had the dash window wedge cam epicly fail... :nana:
Jeff, I have to ask this man, I just can't help myself on this... but where did the camera land at? :smilielol: :smilielol:
that just goes to show ya, the car is so mean and powerful that it threw the camera back at Jeff.
Sweet! Good for you. :cheers:
Quote from: willhaven on May 13, 2010, 08:35:48 PM
Sweet! Good for you. :cheers:
Thank you!
Quote from: FLG on May 13, 2010, 08:30:07 PM
Looks great jeff!!! Can't wait for mine.
I also have had the dash window wedge cam epicly fail... :nana:
Thanks, Frank... Just another smooth move in my book of etiquette.
Quote from: MoparManJim on May 13, 2010, 08:35:30 PM
Jeff, I have to ask this man, I just can't help myself on this... but where did the camera land at? :smilielol: :smilielol:
that just goes to show ya, the car is so mean and powerful that it threw the camera back at Jeff.
My IPhone is in a rubber case.. It bounced around and landed in between my seat and the floor... I could have easily edited that out, but it's more fun showing what a donkey I am. :icon_smile_cool:
Whoo hoo! :2thumbs: :coolgleamA: Can we say its all done now? :cheers:
Cool headlight shot. :drool5: I never gave it a thought before but the wide push bar ends up killing your high beams?
Quote from: bakerhillpins on May 13, 2010, 08:41:53 PM
Whoo hoo! :2thumbs: :coolgleamA: Can we say its all done now? :cheers:
Cool headlight shot. :drool5: I never gave it a thought before but the wide push bar ends up killing your high beams?
hey yeah, you're right!! This is probably one of the only times the lights will actually be used... But never thought of it either!!
As for being done? ALLLLLLLLLLLLMOST, yes... The Painless wiring kit goes in Monday... That is the last remaining item on this car that BK touched... And I mean THE LAST.
Quote from: jb666 on May 13, 2010, 08:43:57 PM
Quote from: bakerhillpins on May 13, 2010, 08:41:53 PM
Whoo hoo! :2thumbs: :coolgleamA: Can we say its all done now? :cheers:
Cool headlight shot. :drool5: I never gave it a thought before but the wide push bar ends up killing your high beams?
hey yeah, you're right!! This is probably one of the only times the lights will actually be used... But never thought of it either!!
As for being done? ALLLLLLLLLLLLMOST, yes... The Painless wiring kit goes in Monday... That is the last remaining item on this car that BK touched... And I mean THE LAST.
Excellent! Hope to be able to make it down your way for a car show and check it out sometime this year. :yesnod: I don't know about everyone else but after keeping tabs on your saga even I am relieved to hear Monday should be the end! :popcrn:
Quote from: bakerhillpins on May 13, 2010, 08:55:12 PM
Quote from: jb666 on May 13, 2010, 08:43:57 PM
Quote from: bakerhillpins on May 13, 2010, 08:41:53 PM
Whoo hoo! :2thumbs: :coolgleamA: Can we say its all done now? :cheers:
Cool headlight shot. :drool5: I never gave it a thought before but the wide push bar ends up killing your high beams?
hey yeah, you're right!! This is probably one of the only times the lights will actually be used... But never thought of it either!!
As for being done? ALLLLLLLLLLLLMOST, yes... The Painless wiring kit goes in Monday... That is the last remaining item on this car that BK touched... And I mean THE LAST.
Excellent! Hope to be able to make it down your way for a car show and check it out sometime this year. :yesnod: I don't know about everyone else but after keeping tabs on your saga even I am relieved to hear Monday should be the end! :popcrn:
You aren't kidding!
Hmmm... Maybe I'll buy an A-Team van next. :slap:
I would love to see it in person fo sho.
Guy's I don't mean to burst your bubble about the whole ending thing.. but don't you all know. When working with these old cars there is no end to them? :lol:
But, NEVER SAY NEVER... All I know is I have this nice pointy hat on, as I sit in the corner of the room with my stool..... And realize what a complete and udder mistake this car has been since day one :rofl:
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You never know...the car could have been praying for someone like you to save him. Now your General is truly yours.
Engine bay looks awesome! glad to see the car is on the road. enjoy :2thumbs:
Quote from: jb666 on May 13, 2010, 08:03:06 PM
Thank you, guys!!
Ok, The General has come home (deja vu!!).
For those of you who have been keeping up... The engine bay was, and was going to stay BLACK...
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/103_6854Medium.jpg)
Well, the last month changed everything... Bad motor, empty engine bay, time to make it the way Ma Mopar intended it to be... Clean and ORANGE!!
Just a few quick shots I took... keeping in mind that none of the rubber is installed yet, I think the engine bay looks 100X better. To those of you that said PAINT IT ORANGE, I thank you! To Chuck, Blair and Paul who MADE IT ORANGE, I SAY THANK YOU 1,000X OVER! To Reid's, if you're watching, the car runs AWESOME ---> Thank you! And finally, to Jon @ Tube Chassis Designz for making this job look easy and doing a amazing work!! I know we're not done (Painless kit goes in on Monday after a long discussion about the one remaining BK item --- THE FUSE PANEL), but this car wouldn't be 1% of what it is with out your skills... yo da man!!
Ok, I'm done blubbering... Here goes...
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Eyes wide open for the journey home (which darkness did join me on)
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I'm happy to report that it doesn't smoke, sputter or miss a beat... Jon hadn't started the car since 10AM today.. He reached his arm in the window, hit the key and BOOM, as if it were fuel injected, it fired over and idled... Something this has never done!!
This weekend will be cool... 70 degree weather, sunshine and open roads... And I'm TAKING ADVANTAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
engine bay body color & motor in awesome stuff :coolgleamA: good video , ! need more video Jeff!! :drool5: :popcrn: :drool5: :coolgleamA:
The wife and I are heading out for a cruise tomorrow... Tonight was prom night, so we didn't get to go to the show we were hoping to, but there's always next week!!!!
You need some wheelie bars. :icon_smile_big:
Quote from: mikepmcs on May 15, 2010, 04:09:26 PM
You need some wheelie bars. :icon_smile_big:
Chuck's making me a set....
Well, today we cruised for about 3 hours in the car.. All I can say is WOW, the motor is running incredible.. It cruises perfectly smooth and is a pleasure to drive!!!
We started by heading down to the 'big' beach .. Then went by a few other hang-out spots... All in all it was a great day and I couldn't be happier with the car's performance!!
The trip ended back at Tube Chassis, where first thing tomorrow morning Jon is installing a full Painless setup... It's the icing on the cake..
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I love this backdrop.. I used it for my Vette for years...... Boston skyline... Boats... Just gorgeous..
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This, to me, is as close as I like to get to Boston... It actually looks NICE from here!!
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Either way, if today was any indication, it's going to be a GREAT SUMMER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :2thumbs:
Man, I love your car :cheers: , nice photos bud. I been busy at the scale version most of the day. Photos coming later on for you all. But I love seeing the photos of the real thing though. :cheers:
GL s looking awesome !! :drool5: love the pictures ! that back drop is good :coolgleamA:
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Quote from: mikepmcs on May 15, 2010, 04:09:26 PM
You need some wheelie bars. :icon_smile_big:
Chuck's making me a set....
I have a set for you ready to go. Say the word.
I read about 30 pages and gave up.
All I can say is the result looks great! That's the nicest GL I've ever seen :2thumbs:
Quote from: tan top on May 16, 2010, 08:07:58 PM
GL s looking awesome !! :drool5: love the pictures ! that back drop is good :coolgleamA:
Thank you. Aside from the Gladiator fight pit it's my favorite spot.
Quote from: BombSquad on May 16, 2010, 09:53:44 PM
I read about 30 pages and gave up.
All I can say is the result looks great! That's the nicest GL I've ever seen :2thumbs:
Wow! Thank you very much.. Nice of you to say :cheers:
I was out the other day, visiting a friend at a local shop, and a guy pulled in with his kids. He asked "Can we take some pictures?". I said "Knock yourselves out!!". They were there for about 20 minutes. When leaving , he says "Wow, you do nice work!". My response had him, and the guys at the shop laughing.. I said "No I don't.. You wouldn't want to see MY work. My FRIENDS do nice work, and this is a reflection of it!". I am certainly not taking credit for any of it except for it's upkeep from here on out.
On another note, I was looking over my engine dyno charts this morning.. Pretty cool to have 540 ft/lbs torque at 4500 RPMS. :cheers:
What a week!! It's OVER! It's FINALLY OVER!
The new Painless Wiring setup, thanks to Jon, was not-so-painlessly installed... but it came out INCREDIBLE. No lie, I have NO wires visible under my hood except the plug wires.. I'll post a few pics later of the engine bay...
The wife and I headed to the first HUGE show in the General today. We got there an hour early and got (IMO) the best spot, in the grass... Here are a few shots... I'm celebrating today, as it truly is a great day and is the day I AM FINALLY ready to move on and leave all of this bullshit behind. Onward and upward... Time to enjoy life and not worry about the 10 years I lost during this project...
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A couple of cool panoramic shots...
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What a day to remember!!!!!! :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
The car really looks nice. Enjoy it!
What no pics of the engine compartment ?????
Now you need to work on your car show display props.
Small Moonshine crate in the back would be cool.
Hazard County license plate frame.
I'm glad your finally declaring victory with the car.
How long before your done dealing with BK?
Just throwing out some ideas for you.
Weren't you going to do a display with of some of the parts of the car that were taken off?
I think the story about how the car go to be the way it is today really lets people know how special that GL really is.
You are so right.. I AM putting together a nice display for the shows, but you've given me an even better idea (and don't worry, it doesn't involve dolls). :lol:
As for the engine shots, I hadn't taken any, until today...
I can honestly say this has been the best weekend of my life. We cruised to 3 shows. Talked to tons of people, and best of all, we didn't come across ONE a-hole.. Usually you get the occasional "Why a General Lee? Why would you do this to a beloved Charger?!?!"... But not this weekend.. :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
I love some of the questions... "Is this one of the originals??". NO :brickwall:, would I be taking it to WAL MART if it was?? "are the doors welded shut like the original??". NO :brickwall: , they weren't either! "Hey, you know there's metal flake in your paint??". NO SHIT?!?!?!?! I hadn't realized that!! :brickwall: And the best one..... "There's overspray all over your car" (he was looking directly down on the front fender when the sun had gone down). I said nope, it's metal flake, it has a "pepper" appearance when you look straight down on it :lol:
I'll post some shots of the engine compartment soon, I have a TON of pictures to go through.
So Jeff, Is it going to make a trip to Carlisle this year?
Quote from: Tilar on May 23, 2010, 06:51:34 PM
So Jeff, Is it going to make a trip to Carlisle this year?
I've already talked to one of the sales reps (he owns 10 acres on his "ranch" in Carlisle) and he's extended an invite to stay at no charge.. you'll laugh, but I'm going to approach a buddy of mine with an enclosed trailer to bring it to Ed's house (rep) and drive to the show from there.. Not that I don't TRUST the car to make the trip, I just don't want to chance it..
So yeah, I do believe I will be!!!
Great, I'm anxious to see it. :2thumbs:
Thanks!!
First, I wanted to show a couple of pictures of the wiring that came out of the car.. Jon @ Tube Chassis Designz installed a full Painless wiring setup from the front to the rear.. What a MESS that came out.. Wires in the trunk with 30 splices. Open/exposed wires. Melted high beam switch wiring. And the hits keep coming!!
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And this is only about 1/4 of the wires that I chose to take from his shop (the worst of them).
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I'm sure some of you guys have seen wiring like this , especially out of a 40+ year old car.. .Just not out of a $90k restoration job... The fuse panel looks like it was under water.
if anyone wants OR NEEDS anything you see here, let me know, it's yours.
Just out of curiosity what is your 0-60 and 1/4 mile times on your Hemi GL?
As crazy as it sounds it's too bad they cut the wires so close to the end in that one shot. Someone would actually buy that harness simply cause of the price of a new one.
That's cool that you'll be at Carlisle. We're flying in from Oregon, anxious to see the car, meet you.
Quote from: Sabre on May 23, 2010, 07:36:31 PM
Just out of curiosity what is your 0-60 and 1/4 mile times on your Hemi GL?
I can honestly say I have no idea on either...
Quote from: 472 R/T SE on May 23, 2010, 07:40:44 PM
As crazy as it sounds it's too bad they cut the wires so close to the end in that one shot. Someone would actually buy that harness simply cause of the price of a new one.
That's cool that you'll be at Carlisle. We're flying in from Oregon, anxious to see the car, meet you.
I know it, but someone's still welcome to them if they'd like.
Thanks, I look forward to meeting you guys as well.
Ok, here are a couple of quick shots I just took. The MAIN junction box under the wiper motor... HISTORY. Everything else? Gone.. The engine bay is CLEAN. Jon really is one of the greatest in his field.. In my opinion, the man can do no wrong... Unfortunately, these pictures do the real thing no justice, but here are a few shots..
A couple of notes.. I'll be polishing the radiator and replacing all of the fender bolts (stainless) this weekend to tie in some detail..
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I might need this Bulkhead peice? Hold it for me. LEON,.
You want it, it's yours. Let me know.
I need one for a E-Body, as long as it works in a E-body I'll take it. LEON.
Awesome! :2thumbs:
So good to check back in on this post and see that it's all done, and you can finally move on to simply enjoying it.
This has been quite a journey, and all I did was read it. Can't imagine how you'd be feeling right now, despite all the shit you had to put up with to get here.
Well done mate. The General looks absolutely fantastic!
:cheers:
Quote from: rooks on May 24, 2010, 02:35:41 AM
Awesome! :2thumbs:
So good to check back in on this post and see that it's all done, and you can finally move on to simply enjoying it.
This has been quite a journey, and all I did was read it. Can't imagine how you'd be feeling right now, despite all the shit you had to put up with to get here.
Well done mate. The General looks absolutely fantastic!
:cheers:
Thank you! It was definitely an emotional weekend. Between the joy of having it DONE and the weight being lifted off my shoulders KNOWING it was done.. It really was something else.
Leon --- I'm not sure if the B/E body uses the same pc, but if you decide you want it, it's yours.
"Hey, you know there's metal flake in your paint??". NO SHIT?!?!?!?! I hadn't realized that!!
That made me laugh out loud!!!!!!! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol:
Last night was a classic... I attended a local show, after work. When first place was being announced, they called my name out. I almost fell over, and I guess the look on my face showed that because when I got up to accept the trophy the guy says "You shouldn't act so surprised, get used to it!". It's a new experience for me!!!!
Congrats. :2thumbs:
WOOT! No surprise here seeing as you have the nicest GL on the planet!
Well earned!!!! :2thumbs:
Quote from: mikepmcs on May 26, 2010, 03:23:34 PM
WOOT! No surprise here seeing as you have the nicest GL on the planet!
Well earned!!!! :2thumbs:
Not any more, Mike.. I got a little sick of people asking me if I can "jump it" at the shows... So I decided to take a guy up on his offer... Now you guys will all have to suffer through another build of this car.
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I promise it won't be as bad as the first time around.
haha
you bored Jeff? :smilielol:
Quote from: mikepmcs on June 05, 2010, 04:24:51 PM
haha
you bored Jeff? :smilielol:
not at all.. Just got finished editing and uploading another 100 pics from today's visit.. And saw this on Don's FB page.. Had to swipe it.
Mike, I'm not sure if you're around next weekend, but the biggest show of the year is happening.. I'll be front and center.. If you're around, I'll send you some details.
Jeff, I told you that 300 foot jump you was going at that you would not clear it at the speed you was going at! See you didn't listen did you :RantExplode: :lol: :lol:
You gave the poor General a sure and bent up nose from it! :lol: , I bet if he could talk he be doing this :RantExplode: at you right about now.
Now on the serous side, at least you admit you borrowed it from Don. I had a guy last mid week take a photo I posted and say I copied what he posted when he was the 2nd guy to post in the thread and I was the 4th to post, I got even though :lol:
Quote from: jb666 on June 05, 2010, 04:26:45 PM
Mike, I'm not sure if you're around next weekend, but the biggest show of the year is happening.. I'll be front and center.. If you're around, I'll send you some details.
Please and thank you. :2thumbs:
That's a awesome job jb666, what a beautiful car :2thumbs:, and to think your only in Boston and I,m just west of Worcester, MA in Spencer, MA.
Are you going to the summer national at green hill park in Worcester for the july 4 weekend?
Quote from: stuga on June 06, 2010, 12:52:31 PM
That's a awesome job jb666, what a beautiful car :2thumbs:, and to think your only in Boston and I,m just west of Worcester, MA in Spencer, MA.
Are you going to the summer national at green hill park in Worcester for the july 4 weekend?
Thank you! :cheers:
I'll check into it.. That's my vacation week so the timing is perfect!!!
on another note..happy anniversary on your paint. one year ago today it was painted, I believe. or close to it anyway. Well, happy paint anniversary week anyway. :icon_smile_big: :2thumbs:
Quote from: mikepmcs on June 06, 2010, 02:40:57 PM
on another note..happy anniversary on your paint. one year ago today it was painted, I believe. or close to it anyway. Well, happy paint anniversary week anyway. :icon_smile_big: :2thumbs:
I was just saying that to Chuck, that it was a YEAR ago it was painted!! Doesn't seem possible... :o
On another note, I just posted in the WANTED section for a set of front seat belts.. Doesn't look like the 5pt harnesses are ever going to happen (been waiting months for a bracket that was missing), so I'm just going to go OEM. Any ideas on who/where might have a pair AND the hardware to mount them?
B/E&A and PG Classics both sell new ones at a very reasonable price....
Quote from: 1HotDaytona on June 06, 2010, 04:42:32 PM
B/E&A and PG Classics both sell new ones at a very reasonable price....
oh cool, I'll go check it out now. Of course, the first place I looked was EBay and I saw nothing..
$375 :o
http://www.beaparts.com/item_detail.aspx?id=1067
Not to sound like a cheap ass (at this point in the game), but I was hoping for a decent set of used (front) belts...
Jeff, Congrats on 1 year :cheers: I'm still fixing messed up stuff on the Chally after 6 years. The guy I bought it from" Butch " shouldn't ever work on a car. ::) Bart has lovingly nicknamed him " The Butcher " :rofl: :rofl:
Yeah, BEA is pretty proud of their stuff.
try this for us low budget peeps.
http://wescoperformance.stores.yahoo.net/ll60.html
http://www.wescoperformance.com/seat-belts/seat-belts.html
here are some more retro belts on ebay
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=350304779635&rvr_id=&crlp=1_263602_263622&UA=%3F*S%3F&GUID=0f16380d1290a02653e00340ffc0a545&itemid=350304779635&ff4=263602_263622#ht_4199wt_911
Much better... Thanks Mike :cheers: :cheers:
Next question.. Tan interior (obviously).. Tan or Black belts??
Well either way you go would work, tan ties in with the interior, and so does black with the roll cage you have.
Cars looking great jeff!!
Where ya been? Sent ya a few texts.
Well, I can say that the past few weeks have been absolutely amazing... A dream come true! Visiting old friends.. Cruising..Car shows.. And best of all, the "publicity" that this car gets is awesome. It is, in a sense, a 'movie star' where ever it goes. Does it get annoying? At times, yes... There are even times I want to tell everyone the Dixie horn is broken :eek2: :lol: , but it's all good.
Anyways, I've been asked by a Boston radio station to do some publicity shots with them, and just yesterday a guy that owns a well known detailing shop in my area asked if I'd come by for some pictures for his new poster/fliers. I of course jumped at the opportunity.. And before that, last week, my buddy's shop made up a flier using my car... Before you ask, no I don't "get anything from this" except the joy of knowing it's my car.. That's all I need after the last two years!!
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And a few of the shots from yesterday's photo shoot. For those of you on Facebook, you can see them all here:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=4520352&op=1&view=all&subj=1441461855&id=40729588338#!/album.php?aid=75806&id=40729588338&ref=mf
Larger images here:
http://forums.yuppieracing.net/showthread.php?p=196723#post196723
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And I know I've thanked Jon, Chuck & Blair a million times, but it dawned on me last night, at a local show, that if it weren't for my buddy Chris making that first phone call for me I never would have met any of these guys... So Chris... :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: , it appears I owe you the most out of the bunch since you made it all happen for me.
My next set of pictures? It'll hopefully be of a nice dual quad setup hiding under my hood.
Nice pics Jeff!!
Car looks fricken awesome!
Im thinking your gonna deff get that bad a$$ factor with the dual quads, but your going to wind up hurting your hp numbers a bit.
Quote from: FLG on June 19, 2010, 01:38:14 PM
Nice pics Jeff!!
Car looks fricken awesome!
Im thinking your gonna deff get that bad a$$ factor with the dual quads, but your going to wind up hurting your hp numbers a bit.
I don't think so, but we'll see, Frank... The only thing that HURT my dyno numbers this past time around was the fact that I ran out of CFM's up over 6200. How will I LOSE when this new setup will increase my CFM's, putting me where I NEED to be??
I guess this is payback for all the carpet jokes eh?
Got the pm..I was generally speaking in terms of a single 4 bbl giving better numbers than dual quads.
Quote from: FLG on June 19, 2010, 06:07:44 PM
I guess this is payback for all the carpet jokes eh?
Got the pm..I was generally speaking in terms of a single 4 bbl giving better numbers than dual quads.
You'd better believe it :lol:
Quote from: jb666 on June 19, 2010, 06:01:09 PM
Quote from: FLG on June 19, 2010, 01:38:14 PM
Nice pics Jeff!!
Car looks fricken awesome!
Im thinking your gonna deff get that bad a$$ factor with the dual quads, but your going to wind up hurting your hp numbers a bit.
I don't think so, but we'll see, Frank... The only thing that HURT my dyno numbers this past time around was the fact that I ran out of CFM's up over 6200. How will I LOSE when this new setup will increase my CFM's, putting me where I NEED to be??
Okay, I got to ask this, what the heck is a CFM?
BTW, Jeff, your car is looking down right beautiful :2thumbs: :cheers:
Cubic Feet per Minute,.. fuel flow.
Thanks for the answer, David :cheers:
hey jb666 are you going to carlisle???
Quote from: autodynamics on June 19, 2010, 09:53:09 PM
hey jb666 are you going to carlisle???
I'm hoping too, yes. I have allocated the time off already, and I have a (free) place to stay about 3 miles from the show.. Best of all I have (if I want it) access to an enclosed trailer, too, so I can ride down in air conditioned comfort...
BUT... There's a baby due in the family and it would be the only thing stopping me!!!
Quote from: Brock Samson on June 19, 2010, 07:33:07 PM
Cubic Feet per Minute,.. fuel flow.
Precisely. When my motor was on the dyno I was told that I could pick up another 30-40HP if I went with a bigger carb. But, the carb on my car (believe it or not) has some sentimental value to me (it was a gift from someone), so that wasn't an option.
Even with the new 'plans' this intake and carb will never go anywhere... I almost hate to mess with it, because the car is running like a DREAM!!!
Jeff, if you are able to go, PLEASE hollar at me at the Christine Car Club tent on the show field, as I'd love to meet 'ya...I'll be on and off the swap meet looking for Challenger parts, but will be ahangin' at the tent as well...I'll be the big ass redneck, hillbilly that looks like well, "Cooter" with a goatee..LOL...
Quote from: Cooter on June 20, 2010, 01:03:30 PM
Jeff, if you are able to go, PLEASE hollar at me at the Christine Car Club tent on the show field, as I'd love to meet 'ya...I'll be on and off the swap meet looking for Challenger parts, but will be ahangin' at the tent as well...I'll be the big ass redneck, hillbilly that looks like well, "Cooter" with a goatee..LOL...
:rofl: Love the honesty... "Big ass redneck hillbilly....." :rofl:
Cooter, I'll definitely look you up.. I can't wait to see that beauty of yours... I think I've seen every picture you've ever taken of it and need a few of my own!!!
Sorry, "Christine" couldn't amke it this year....She'll be there next year though, along with some of the movie stars...(Hee,Hee)
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Quote from: autodynamics on June 19, 2010, 09:53:09 PM
hey jb666 are you going to carlisle???
I'm hoping too, yes. I have allocated the time off already, and I have a (free) place to stay about 3 miles from the show.. Best of all I have (if I want it) access to an enclosed trailer, too, so I can ride down in air conditioned comfort...
BUT... There's a baby due in the family and it would be the only thing stopping me!!!
Quote from: Brock Samson on June 19, 2010, 07:33:07 PM
Cubic Feet per Minute,.. fuel flow.
Precisely. When my motor was on the dyno I was told that I could pick up another 30-40HP if I went with a bigger carb. But, the carb on my car (believe it or not) has some sentimental value to me (it was a gift from someone), so that wasn't an option.
!!!
Jeff you thought of having someone pollish that carb right out a mate made 30cfm more out of his 780 holley.This also made the carb much more responsive above 3k and realy growelled once the was jetted again.
Check out one of the posters my daughter made me for Father's Day! I have this one, and one other I'll post when I get home.
Staples is printing them to 24X30" for shows... I wanted them to answer those "common questions", and yes, I've been asked all of these and more...
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AWESOME! :2thumbs:
Quote from: mikepmcs on June 21, 2010, 06:04:49 PM
AWESOME! :2thumbs:
Wait till you see version #2... VERY cool!!!
Quote from: jb666 on June 21, 2010, 06:12:12 PM
Quote from: mikepmcs on June 21, 2010, 06:04:49 PM
AWESOME! :2thumbs:
Wait till you see version #2... VERY cool!!!
And just wait to you see the improvement I did with your model! :lol:
Now I just have to do one more side. I have not ever seen anyone do this trick before to a model as I know of.
Quote from: jb666 on June 21, 2010, 05:59:15 PM
Check out one of the posters my daughter made me for Father's Day! I have this one, and one other I'll post when I get home.
Staples is printing them to 24X30" for shows... I wanted them to answer those "common questions", and yes, I've been asked all of these and more...
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Jeff did your daughter get the drive line right there's no ford 9" diff and no turbo 400 gearbox from a cheby is this true. :smilielol:
Gottta love the dodge hey.btw I am joking.
Car looks sweet bte can't wait till the R/T comes up all shiny.
You're going to laugh, but my initial plan was to buy a clean roller and put a 572BB in it... But (get this) I thought it would cost me too much :smilielol:
Ok, here's poster #2:
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Great Posters :2thumbs:
So check it out... Sorry for the image quality, these were taken from my IPhone... I tried to leave the text portion short & sweet as to not over-load them...
Trunk jam:
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Hood:
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These will be in place for Friday night's show. I hope to get pictures of people's faces as they read them.. I'm HOPING the stupid questions come to an end.
LMAO Jeff they look GREAT!
But to disappoint...the stupid questions never end. I almost hate when some people come up to ask questions about anything or say anything and ive got a plane jane charger..cant imagine the crowd with with the general. Basically i pray when they open there mouth they just have something nice to say or know what there talking about, or at least if they dont they dont pretend they do.
"I had one of thems in a convertible" has been a big topic of people lately here :slap:
What cruises do you go to? Gillette? South Easton Regional?
Quote from: Bluestar on June 23, 2010, 02:31:06 PM
What cruises do you go to? Gillette? South Easton Regional?
I do Gilette as a spectator.. It's too big, and by the time I get out of work and down there they are turning people away. Not to mention that show is just TOO big and out of control. I don't enjoy it like I used to.
Same with South Easton.. .It's an hour drive for me. Leave work at 5PM, get there at 6, people are leaving, not getting there..
So I hit AutoZone Weymouth every Tuesday. Cardi's on Wednesday. Halifax Wal-Mart on Friday (that show is HUGE) and if anything else local pops up that I can make it to leaving work at 5PM, I'll hit it.
I've been meaning to post here for a while. It was a monumental read and a monumental battle! Jeff, your car is outstanding and it has really revived the DOH fan in me. Congratulations on your car and it is great that you are getting to enjoy the shows! Kudos to you for not wanting to have a "series correct" car and personalising it enough for it to be yours and not just another General Lee out there! I considered never doing a General Lee clone with my charger when I got/get it, but your's had me thinking about how cool it would be to have a GL here in Aus.
damn i thought for sure that the car could at least FLY :icon_smile_big: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol:
I'm pleased to announce the The General went to represent "American Muscle" at a large show held by Toyota. It was for a great cause (Cancer research), and there was over 250 cars.. Some had AMAZING artwork. 2-tone jobs. Custom paint, and things I had never seen...
Which is why, at the end of the night, I was really happy to hear my name get announced in the BEST OF PAINT category!!! I was also the "runner up" for BEST OF SHOW. The car that beat me was a $250k AMG Benz.... An AMAZING car... I was pleased to come in right behind that.. it was parked beside me all night.
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The show helped raise over $6k toward finding a cure for Cancer. All $$ went to the Dana Farber Institute. I was proud to be there :cheers:
I am real glad to hear that man, we need more people like you in life :cheers: :2thumbs:
I like the photos also that you posted :2thumbs:
congratulations. :cheers:
Sounds like all of your hard work is finally paying off. Really nice to hear since you had all that trouble with the car initially.
Quote from: resq302 on July 18, 2010, 05:15:41 PM
Sounds like all of your hard work is finally paying off. Really nice to hear since you had all that trouble with the car initially.
That's what I keep thinking too... That it's FINALLY worth it now that I can enjoy the car. Funny thing is I seem to have someone at almost EVERY show walk up and ask "Is this that General Lee online that was hacked?", in one way or another... Word has definitely spread about this car... Cool thing is it ALL started here :2thumbs:
Your car really did turn out great. Seriously, very nice job. One little thing to note, dana 60's came with 3.54 gears not 3.55's like 8 3/4" rears. Not trying to blast your sign, it looks great too, just a small error. I hope some day I get the chance to see that car in person.
Thank you. I caught that after it was printed and to date no ones called me on it yet :lol:
Either way, it's ok. Small potatoes in the grand scheme of things.
Getting to enjoy the car now AND getting awards. Enjoy it. You have had one hell of a ride with this car. Congrats Jeff. :2thumbs:
Quote from: General_01 on July 18, 2010, 06:55:22 PM
Getting to enjoy the car now AND getting awards. Enjoy it. You have had one hell of a ride with this car. Congrats Jeff. :2thumbs:
No pun intended!! But you are right, thank you!!! You have NO IDEA (well, maybe you do) how much I've been enjoying it the past couple of months.. The car is awesome.
:2thumbs: SAWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEET!
Quote from: mikepmcs on July 18, 2010, 08:03:57 PM
:2thumbs: SAWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEET!
Thanks Mike!!
The best, I've been saving for last.......
I got an invite, from the organizer of the show (World Of Wheels BOSTON) to be the "display car" for the "American Muscle Car Icon" this year at the show. (Technically the first 1/4 of 2011). It will be up there, in one of the top positions.. I am VERY excited about this and can tell you I know where I'll be at least one weekend this winter!!
I hope you'll be able to make it down, Mike?? I'll be parked next to a Twin Turbo Porsche (representing exotic) and another car that hasn't been decided yet from an earlier era.
There's even an artist doing a photo sketch for me.. Should be done in the next two weeks:
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Quote from: mikepmcs on July 18, 2010, 08:03:57 PM
:2thumbs: SAWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEET!
Thanks Mike!!
The best, I've been saving for last.......
I got an invite, from the organizer of the show (World Of Wheels BOSTON) to be the "display car" for the "American Muscle Car Icon" this year at the show. (Technically the first 1/4 of 2011). It will be up there, in one of the top positions.. I am VERY excited about this and can tell you I know where I'll be at least one weekend this winter!!
I hope you'll be able to make it down, Mike?? I'll be parked next to a Twin Turbo Porsche (representing exotic) and another car that hasn't been decided yet from an earlier era.
There's even an artist doing a photo sketch for me.. Should be done in the next two weeks:
(http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs085.ash2/37605_113886215326678_100001159013172_86219_54923_n.jpg)
Now THAT is cool! :coolgleamA:
Duuuuuude, i've been a mechanic on and off for alot of years and i just finished checkin out the wiring pics......ur soooo lucky that thing didn't burn to the ground.....dam lucky..
Quote from: ionracer24 on July 20, 2010, 04:20:41 PM
Duuuuuude, i've been a mechanic on and off for alot of years and i just finished checkin out the wiring pics......ur soooo lucky that thing didn't burn to the ground.....dam lucky..
You're telling me.... :o
There was a row of Generals @ Carlisle but I never paid any attention to them since none of them were yours.
Any updates on BK auto? are they still restoring cars? :shruggy:
Quote from: Back N Black on July 21, 2010, 05:16:11 PM
Any updates on BK auto? are they still restoring cars? :shruggy:
I HAVE NO IDEA, nor do I care, to be honest with you. The name BK AUTO is synonymous with MUD now.. So anyone stupid enough to use them (without doing any research) deserves what they get. I'm not spending another minute thinking about those hacks. I'll let Karma deal with them in time...
Quote from: jb666 on July 18, 2010, 08:10:07 PM
Quote from: mikepmcs on July 18, 2010, 08:03:57 PM
:2thumbs: SAWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEET!
Thanks Mike!!
The best, I've been saving for last.......
I got an invite, from the organizer of the show (World Of Wheels BOSTON) to be the "display car" for the "American Muscle Car Icon" this year at the show. (Technically the first 1/4 of 2011). It will be up there, in one of the top positions.. I am VERY excited about this and can tell you I know where I'll be at least one weekend this winter!!
Dude...What an honor! Congrats!
Thanks, and to top it off, very soon I'll officially be able to call my car a 6-speed :icon_smile_big:
(http://www.gearvendors.com/shift_balls/magnum_grip.jpg)
Dame!! Talk about good planning, that is the same design of shifter that your model has already! :yesnod: :2thumbs:
Quote from: MoparManJim on July 23, 2010, 02:53:57 PM
Dame!! Talk about good planning, that is the same design of shifter that your model has already! :yesnod: :2thumbs:
Actually, it was done this way on purpose. Gear Vendors makes different setups depending on what you're running for a shifter. This just happens to be mine :cheers: :cheers:
Quickest way to get me down to 2.73's on the highway without doing a gear swap!!!
I know I'm late in congratulating you...however...WHAT A VICTORY! After all your hard work and endurance to have the car of your dreams, recognition for the shop that did you right, and in honored position for next year! That is Fantastic! and Well Deserved!
Quote from: chargergirl on August 03, 2010, 07:06:08 PM
I know I'm late in congratulating you...however...WHAT A VICTORY! After all your hard work and endurance to have the car of your dreams, recognition for the shop that did you right, and in honored position for next year! That is Fantastic! and Well Deserved!
Hey, thank you! It's never late... Every cruise.. Every day I see it... Is a victory.. The car is everything I hoped it could be...
AND, to top it all off, I found out it's got 3.73's, NOT 3.54's as I was originally told.. So things just keep getting better!! (well , they'd be even better with 4.10's!!) :lol:
Well, it's been a while, so I figured I'd post a quick update...
A month later, and still no Gear Vendors unit ... I guess two weeks = 4 weeks.. hopefully this means they are good and busy making quality products :shruggy:
BUT, I did pull the trigger on something else.....
I had been wrestling with the thought of a blower through the hood.. After much thought and discussion, I realized it clashes with the look of the General and would look gay... So I went with a full ProCharger kit... Everything under the hood, so it retains it's look, but'll have a Hell of a cool sound!!
Decided to go with their complete top of the line kit (water injection and all) so that I wouldn't have to worry about cutting corners...
Should be pretty crazy when it's done.
In the meantime, these went on last night when I got home in anticipation of some serious traction issues . I know these won't completely resolve my traction problems, but they'll help (until it's mini-tubbed :lol: )
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/Chuck/photo5Medium.jpg)
Woah! That sounds like it will be one hell of a ride! Dare I say yee ha? ;)
Quote from: Just 6T9 CHGR on August 25, 2010, 05:41:48 PM
Woah! That sounds like it will be one hell of a ride! Dare I say yee ha? ;)
LOL! Nah, you still can... Everyone else does...
This has been one Hell of a summer... All I can say is I'll be sorry to see it end.. I haven't missed one cruise/show in my area.. Met some AWESOME people and made some really cool new friends.
:o :scared: :drive:
Quote from: Neal_J on August 25, 2010, 07:04:06 PM
Quote from: jb666 on August 25, 2010, 05:38:21 PM
would look gay
Good call.
Thanks.. I know the GL isn't everyone's cup of tea, but I would hate to do ANYTHING to it that even I would regret...
Quote from: jb666 on August 25, 2010, 08:33:22 PM
Quote from: Neal_J on August 25, 2010, 07:04:06 PM
Quote from: jb666 on August 25, 2010, 05:38:21 PM
would look gay
Good call.
Thanks.. I know the GL isn't everyone's cup of tea, but I would hate to do ANYTHING to it that even I would regret...
Just remember this, we're not the one that has to live with it... you are the one :icon_smile_wink:
put it on and make him tear apart that model again.. :lol:
Jeff im glad you went that route. After those texts and u seeing that cuda i almost was sure i convinced you :nana:
Cant wait to go for a ride :2thumbs:
It was ordered before that pic :nana:
Quote from: Brock Samson on August 25, 2010, 09:39:38 PM
put it on and make him tear apart that model again.. :lol:
I don't have the engine all the way done yet bud, and the engine bay is not finish either, so that could be rearange :icon_smile_wink: :nana: :lol:
Quote from: FLG on August 25, 2010, 10:33:43 PM
Quote from: jb666 on August 25, 2010, 10:11:06 PM
It was ordered before that pic :nana:
So you say!
Ok FINE, so that might have helped me make the final decision, but don't let it go to your head... What didn't hurt, either, was the huge group of people telling me NOT to go through the hood!!!
Now.. To inject or not to inject.. That is the question :icon_smile_big:
Not to inject.
Not for a few years at least. You've gone through so much with this Charger, you should just chill and enjoy it for awhile. Give yourself some time to enjoy the car without having to adjust to a new mod everytime you jump in it.
:coolgleamA:
Quote from: jb666 on August 25, 2010, 05:38:21 PM
Well, it's been a while, so I figured I'd post a quick update...
A month later, and still no Gear Vendors unit ... I guess two weeks = 4 weeks.. hopefully this means they are good and busy making quality products :shruggy:
BUT, I did pull the trigger on something else.....
I had been wrestling with the thought of a blower through the hood.. After much thought and discussion, I realized it clashes with the look of the General and would look gay... So I went with a full ProCharger kit... Everything under the hood, so it retains it's look, but'll have a Hell of a cool sound!!
Decided to go with their complete top of the line kit (water injection and all) so that I wouldn't have to worry about cutting corners...
Should be pretty crazy when it's done.
In the meantime, these went on last night when I got home in anticipation of some serious traction issues . I know these won't completely resolve my traction problems, but they'll help (until it's mini-tubbed :lol: )
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/Chuck/photo5Medium.jpg)
procharger awesome , was thinking a bout getting one a few year back , like the idea as can stuff it all under a stock hood :coolgleamA: :yesnod:
Quote from: rooks on August 29, 2010, 03:19:07 AM
Not to inject.
Not for a few years at least. You've gone through so much with this Charger, you should just chill and enjoy it for awhile. Give yourself some time to enjoy the car without having to adjust to a new mod everytime you jump in it.
:coolgleamA:
Not a bad idea. Maybe get another car to put back on the road and yet save another....Would be junk ?
Quote from: ACUDANUT on August 29, 2010, 06:42:04 PM
Quote from: rooks on August 29, 2010, 03:19:07 AM
Not to inject.
Not for a few years at least. You've gone through so much with this Charger, you should just chill and enjoy it for awhile. Give yourself some time to enjoy the car without having to adjust to a new mod everytime you jump in it.
:coolgleamA:
Not a bad idea. Maybe get another car to put back on the road and yet save another....Would be junk ?
No way.. I don't have it in me.
Today was my TWO YEAR ANNIVERSARY of the day I drove home from Maryland with the Orange clunker... You know the rest..
There is no way I've got the emotional strength for another build though... That's why I want to go balls out on this one and do it EXACTLY like I've been dreaming of and then be DONE with it...
Quote from: jb666 on August 30, 2010, 08:06:57 PM
Quote from: ACUDANUT on August 29, 2010, 06:42:04 PM
Quote from: rooks on August 29, 2010, 03:19:07 AM
Not to inject.
Not for a few years at least. You've gone through so much with this Charger, you should just chill and enjoy it for awhile. Give yourself some time to enjoy the car without having to adjust to a new mod everytime you jump in it.
:coolgleamA:
Not a bad idea. Maybe get another car to put back on the road and yet save another....Would be junk ?
No way.. I don't have it in me.
Today was my TWO YEAR ANNIVERSARY of the day I drove home from Maryland with the Orange clunker... You know the rest..
There is no way I've got the emotional strength for another build though... That's why I want to go balls out on this one and do it EXACTLY like I've been dreaming of and then be DONE with it...
Okay, okay.. I have to confuse here also.. I know Jeff's car is only a car. But sense we got talking last year I been working on the model version of his car every sense then. Sense I started the build and been building the small version of his full size version, I must admit that his car also became part of my life as well. You see just by building the model and detailing like I am and are doing for him so that it looks like the real car. I feel like as if I been there with him and Chuck and Blair working on the real car as well in a way so to speak.. I mean the updates that the guys made to the real car well lets just say those updates was also made in the scale version to by me :lol: .
Jeff doing another another build? I don't think Jeff's lovely wife would like that to well :lol: as Jeff is still working on this one yet. :D But I have heard rumors that she making Jeff seek help due to him and his building of his car though. :lol:
I had been wrestling with the thought of a blower through the hood.. After much thought and discussion, I realized it clashes with the look of the General and would look gay... So I went with a full ProCharger kit... Everything under the hood, so it retains it's look, but'll have a Hell of a cool sound!!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/Chuck/photo5Medium.jpg)
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Low, sexy, throaty rumble is so much better on a street car.
That will run awesome, I've got one sitting on a shelf in the garage waiting for the 446 to be finished. I had a D1SC Procharger on a small block that put out 800 hp on pump gas. Had the street manors of a stock motor. It was awesome. Good luck :cheers:
I just read this entire thread...yes, all 192 pages of it. All I can say is WOW! I'm sorry you got taken on the car, and had to go through that hell to have it all redone, but I have to thank you for making this thread and making everything public. It's amazing that BK charged what they did to "build" that deathtrap, and it's a shame that it looks like they're still in business (they're website is still up anyway). Those idiots should not be allowed anywhere near a car. I believe I read that with the purchase of the car, and all the work that went into it, you still came in under the Brian's original purchase price of $70K...I would say you came out pretty well then, despite all the headaches and added cost. If I had the cash, I wouldn't hesitate to spend $70K on a Charger that's as well done as yours. The level of care, and quality of work that went into it is amazing, and it's well worth every penny you spent with the shops you had do the work. Kudos to you for not throwing in the towel during all of this, and seeing your dream through.
I'm curious though, and you don't have to answer, but was a connection ever established between the Bondo Kings and Brian? Was he selling the car for them, or was he really ripped off by them and just misrepresented the car to offload it? Did you ever pursue any legal action against him for misrepresentation?
Thanks for reading the saga...
As for Brian, I DO believe there was a connection between him and BK.. As in an "East Coast re-seller" type of situation, but at this point, I wish him all the best. When you screw people over for a living, Karma tends to get the best of you down the road :cheers:
BTW, yesterday's event was AWESOME.. I spent over 15 hours polishing every square inch of my car. This is the show that, for the past 20 years, I've been saying "I'll have a General Lee in this show some day!".. And yesterday was my day... I took home first in my category, which consisted of all makes/models from 1969 thru 1982!!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/photo3-19.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/photo1-6.jpg)
Not sure if you guys can see these pictures, but here's the shots from the day.
http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=80270&id=1441461855&l=94381592c8
Jeff, way to go man! :cheers: :cheers:
I would have replied last night but I was so gone dog tired after I posted about project Blue Stone that I hit the hay.
Beautiful and Well Deserved!
congtatulations Jeff :cheers: :2thumbs: , good lot of pictures , thanks for sharing :yesnod: :2thumbs:
Cool, so you could see them?!!? Nice!! I wasn't sure how that would work...
Anyways, The Gear Vendor's Overdrive Unit install is almost completely done... The driveshaft is out being shortened by 14.5". I should have it back in the next day or two!!!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/57930_1582900579372_1441461855_1581.jpg)
Then, on to the suspension.. Then the blower....
Then I PROMISE... It's DONE!!!!!!!!! :yesnod:
Jeff, what perfect timing we both have.. :lol:
I'm working on your model chassis in afew days here and you just drop a very very good photo right into my lap! :yesnod: :nana: :lol:
You know me, Jim. I aim to please. And if I miss I fire again.
There's that bloody 710 again! I see it every time I open the hood, but I didn't know it is under the car as well! :smilielol: :smilielol:
Quote from: jb666 on September 07, 2010, 08:35:59 PM
Then I PROMISE... It's DONE!!!!!!!!! :yesnod:
I don't believe that for a second!~
Congrats on the trophy.
Quote from: Neal_J on September 07, 2010, 09:16:08 PM
Quote from: jb666 on September 07, 2010, 08:35:59 PM
Then I PROMISE... It's DONE!!!!!!!!! :yesnod:
I don't believe that for a second!~
Congrats on the trophy.
Thanks, Neal!
And for the record, I don't either, but I've been practicing that line with my wife.
Add that to the list:
1. You look great.
2. This tastes great.
3. I don't know what I did but I'm sorry, and now
4. The car is done.
Congrats Jeff, good to see the 'ol General Lee win a 1st place trophy in this day and age of '67-'69 Camaro's winning everything....
Quote from: Neal_J on September 07, 2010, 09:21:52 PM
Add that to the list:
1. You look great.
2. This tastes great.
3. I don't know what I did but I'm sorry, and now
4. The car is done.
:smilielol: Good lines... But you know what really sucks??? She sees this thread every once in a while :brickwall:
Quote from: Cooter on September 07, 2010, 09:22:59 PM
Congrats Jeff, good to see the 'ol General Lee win a 1st place trophy in this day and age of '67-'69 Camaro's winning everything....
I AGREE!! The category I won had every make/model and BOAT LOADS of 'Maro's... I love the cars, but they are like belly buttons...
:2thumbs: :2thumbs:
I can't remember, what gears are you currently running?
You'll love the GV. You'll also find out who you can cruise with.
I run the fast lane now so I don't have to be in the slow lane. Too many idiots merging & waiting until the last minute to get off.
Currently running 3.73's.
Well the install is 100% complete, and I just picked up the driveshaft from being shortened (and brought it to Jon's shop).
Sorry for the crap quality, they were from my IPhone...
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/Shaft.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/Shaft1.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/Shaft2.jpg)
And, just when I thought there wasn't a BK nut or bolt left on the car, THINK AGAIN... The torsion bars.. They were "BK originals"... Never got taken out... Here's my torsion bar adjustment bolts...It's no wonder "adjusting" these was having no effect. :brickwall:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/photo1Medium.jpg)
More pictures tomorrow...
:o :brickwall: BK strikes again , don't they know how to do anything !! :RantExplode:
So, I haven't asked in forever so have BK been held accountable or are they still in business respraying junkers for $75K??
When last I asked, I believe Skip indicated it was just a matter of time before they got their come-uppance.
Quote from: tan top on September 09, 2010, 04:45:45 AM
:o :brickwall: BK strikes again , don't they know how to do anything !! :RantExplode:
Nope... and after following this thread.. it proves it it looks like.
Quote from: Neal_J on September 09, 2010, 05:54:13 PM
So, I haven't asked in forever so have BK been held accountable or are they still in business respraying junkers for $75K??
When last I asked, I believe Skip indicated it was just a matter of time before they got their come-uppance.
I'll be 100% honest with you.. I don't know, and I don't care.. I think a lot of what was going on before was momentum of the events occurring.. I'm sure they are still ripping people off.
which one are they??
http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=bk+auto&ei=UTF-8&fr=flo2&type=ns1.2
Quote from: mauve66 on September 09, 2010, 08:53:49 PM
which one are they??
http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=bk+auto&ei=UTF-8&fr=flo2&type=ns1.2
This one...
http://www.bkauto.net/
Congratulations on the 1st place Trophy :2thumbs: LEON.
Well, the Gear Vendor's OD unit is in and IT IS AWESOME. Hard to get used to, but nothing a bit of time behind the wheel won't fix...
Here you can see GV's unit under my dash and the custom billet shifter handle they made for my assembly.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/photo1-7.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/photo2-6.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/photo3-20.jpg)
:cheers: :cheers:
Niiiiiice!
Well, the Caltracs system Is done!!! :o :o
(http://www.calvertracing.com/new-images/products-Caltracsimg.jpg)
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* Full color Installation Guide.
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(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/Chuck/IMG_0799Small.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/Chuck/IMG_0793Small.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/Chuck/IMG_0791Small.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/Chuck/IMG_0790Small.jpg)
With a nice little surprise... Strange adjustable shocks!!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/Chuck/IMG_0798Small.jpg)
And finally.. A little teaser shot...
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/Chuck/D1SCcooler.jpg)
You should have ran it at the track first so you could feel/see the difference from the Cal Tracs.
All this work you're doing, have done, is sure to get some rag's attention.
oooh intercooler :cheers:
Quote from: 472 R/T SE on September 15, 2010, 07:16:49 PM
You should have ran it at the track first so you could feel/see the difference from the Cal Tracs.
All this work you're doing, have done, is sure to get some rag's attention.
Indeed I have... Now, waiting for it to happen is another story.
As for the track, I should have, you are definitely right.. I actually wish I ran it before the blower goes on so I'll have a good idea of exactly what it added.. But I have my dyno #'s before, and it'll be dyno'd immediately after AND run at the track.
Quote from: Just 6T9 CHGR on September 15, 2010, 07:42:55 PM
oooh intercooler :cheers:
I like to think of it as jewelry :icon_smile_big:
Jon has installed this system on a lot of cars... Which put my mind at ease on how it would perform on the street. But, after my 30 mile ride home (back roads) I have to say that I'm impressed. It's smoother and tighter than ever before.. And the addition of the Strange adjustable shocks really is something I'm glad I didn't pass up on.
The car loved the 58 degree night... And even with the roads cool and the air crisp, the car just hooked up and launched hard without hesitation.... I'm impressed :cheers: :cheers:
Sorry for the crappy phone pics.. I'll have better shots another time...
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/photo1-8.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/photo4-15.jpg)
The frame's tied isn't it? With those drag radials it's a must imo, let alone because of the upgrades that are about to happen. You prolly won't be at the track every weekend, but having the doors open & close w/o slamming them would be nice. Your boyz at the chasis place prolly know all that.
HemiDoug gave me the idea but we welded up a bolt in drive shaft loop to the frame connectors.
I must admit, I have a renewed interest in your ride. I'm prolly at the peak with my Charger as far as doing any more upgrades before it becomes silly since I have the #'s drivetrain. I've always contemplated having a 671 sticking up out of the hood but your route is definitely intriguing.
Quote from: 472 R/T SE on September 15, 2010, 10:13:48 PM
The frame's tied isn't it? With those drag radials it's a must imo, let alone because of the upgrades that are about to happen. You prolly won't be at the track every weekend, but having the doors open & close w/o slamming them would be nice. Your boyz at the chasis place prolly know all that.
HemiDoug gave me the idea but we welded up a bolt in drive shaft loop to the frame connectors.
I must admit, I have a renewed interest in your ride. I'm prolly at the peak with my Charger as far as doing any more upgrades before it becomes silly since I have the #'s drivetrain. I've always contemplated having a 671 sticking up out of the hood but your route is definitely intriguing.
Yes. Actually the reason my car first went to Tube Chassis Designz was for frame connectors and a 6 point cage.. It all fell apart from there.. I'm now running a full frame and 10pt cage.
The drive shaft loop... now that isn't a bad idea!
I wanted the blower through the hood too, but IMO the look just did not fit the car.... ANY OTHER Charger, but a GL?? Nope...
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/Chuck/Blower2.jpg)
So I figured my plan for this year was to enjoy the Hell out of the car, which I HAVE (it's been an AWESOME summer) and put the car away this winter with everything I wanted done.. That way I can look forward to cruising in the Spring, not making appointments and losing the car... So far, I'm on track! :2thumbs:
And I just learned the World Of Wheels has been bumped up to April 1st, so that's a bit better, weather wise...
jeff looks awesome,missed ya last night,but will catch up soon.can't wait to see the upgrades in person :2thumbs:
Quote from: meepmeep70 on September 16, 2010, 08:27:30 AM
jeff looks awesome,missed ya last night,but will catch up soon.can't wait to see the upgrades in person :2thumbs:
Thanks Darren!! I'll definitely see you around this week.. Will you be around Friday night if the weather holds out?? How about Sunday for Cars & Copters?? Gotta go up in the sky for a birds eye view!!!
I gave this pic to my fab guy. Doug too, is running a Gear Vendors overdrive, except it's a 4 gear.
With your overdrive & X exhaust a custom loop is about your only answer.
(http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=43293.0;attach=70504;image)
Awesome, thank you! :cheers:
Okay, can someone do me a favor here and post what the gear unit looks like? please? :-\
I have not ever seen one, and I would like to see what these things looks like to be honest.
Quote from: MoparManJim on September 16, 2010, 05:31:24 PM
Okay, can someone do me a favor here and post what the gear unit looks like? please? :-\
I have not ever seen one, and I would like to see what these things looks like to be honest.
Here you go, Jim, from my previous page:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/57930_1582900579372_1441461855_1581.jpg)
Jeff i see judging by the sicker on the GV unit you have the rare "710" version :shruggy:
:smilielol:
Cars looking great man!
Went to a HUGE show sponsored by my friend's detailing shop...
Ended up meeting (and setting up a date) with a photographer from the Cape...
He took my all-time favorite picture!!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/59578_161848127163327_1000001442353.jpg)
We are heading here to do a series of shots.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/ol_village1.jpg)
I can't wait!!
wow! your car is looking great. :cheers:
Quote from: BigBlockSam on September 20, 2010, 07:56:30 PM
wow! your car is looking great. :cheers:
:iagree: :yesnod: :coolgleamA:
Nice going Jeff, i bet you are smiling ear to ear when driving down the street. :2thumbs:
Quote from: Back N Black on September 21, 2010, 06:55:17 PM
Nice going Jeff, i bet you are smiling ear to ear when driving down the street. :2thumbs:
Most of the time, yes. Every single day it's like Groundhog Day for me that I wake up and realize my dream has come true.. It's friggin' awesome.. that's why I can laugh about all the bad crap that happened along the way... :cheers:
is any one of these places in illinois?,.....i have friend who got a 69 general lee dodge charger from there,.......looked like some of those pics from the beginning ,.............any it turned out nice
Had a nice meeting with someone the other day.... Pictures... Video....
http://www.bangshift.com/forum/index.php?topic=25378.0
Cool things to come!! :cheers:
Awesome! :2thumbs:
Quote from: mikepmcs on October 05, 2010, 07:00:17 PM
Awesome! :2thumbs:
Mike!! I'm on the phone with Chuck, now.. He said to get your butt down here!!!!
hahaha! I'm tearing apart my porsche 928 right now. What ya doin saturday?
Quote from: mikepmcs on October 05, 2010, 07:15:05 PM
hahaha! I'm tearing apart my porsche 928 right now. What ya doin saturday?
Probably nothing, but still no blower... So save your frequent flier miles!!!
Is this still about BK ?
To me it's about a man's dream realized. I stopped caring about "them" a million years ago and was just happy and supportive of Jeff's progress and commitment.
The work that was done on that car(under the paint too) is utterly amazing and an incredible example of a 69 Charger.
The true definition of adapt and overcome.
:2thumbs: :cheers:
BK? Who's that... Long gone, in my mind...
Well, here's something that I consider to be the sign of the END of this saga... Check out the article that puts this whole thing into perspective (and bed).
http://www.bangshift.com/blog/Car-Feature-The-Formerly-Hack-Job-General-Lee.html
:cheers: :cheers: :cheers: Very well done, Brian. :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
:2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: Great article. :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
Wow all this time I wondered what on earth was there to talk about BK auto for... never knew it turned into a resto thread. Boooooy am I late :lol: :icon_smile_blackeye:
Extremely nice Charger. Absolutelly beautiful. Id be proud to own that and Im sure you are. :2thumbs:
Howmuch HP in that motor?
Quote from: resq302 on October 09, 2010, 08:48:16 PM
:2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: Great article. :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
:iagree: good reading !! great video :coolgleamA: need to see more :icon_smile_wink: :popcrn:
Quote from: G-man on October 09, 2010, 10:49:58 PM
Wow all this time I wondered what on earth was there to talk about BK auto for... never knew it turned into a resto thread. Boooooy am I late :lol: :icon_smile_blackeye:
Extremely nice Charger. Absolutelly beautiful. Id be proud to own that and Im sure you are. :2thumbs:
Howmuch HP in that motor?
Right now (pre-ProCharger) 561 at the crank.
THanks JB
Im looking forward to getting my 68 painted orange with the 01, no flag and will have 17x13 or 18x13 brown wheels. So its not a general lee but it is a General :coocoo:
Why not a GL,... you a yank?
keep it blue there are way to many orange chargers already :Twocents:
Quote from: moparstuart on October 12, 2010, 04:19:27 PM
keep it blue there are way to many orange chargers already :Twocents:
Okay, I'll bit this one, which way you talking? General Lee or just stock orange chargers? :lol:
The way you just said it sounds alot like you was talking about factory chargers as in being orange.. :D :nana:
Quote from: MoparManJim on October 12, 2010, 05:45:13 PM
Quote from: moparstuart on October 12, 2010, 04:19:27 PM
keep it blue there are way to many orange chargers already :Twocents:
Okay, I'll bit this one, which way you talking? General Lee or just stock orange chargers? :lol:
The way you just said it sounds alot like you was talking about factory chargers as in being orange.. :D :nana:
both
Quote from: jb666 on October 09, 2010, 08:26:53 AM
BK? Who's that... Long gone, in my mind...
Well, here's something that I consider to be the sign of the END of this saga... Check out the article that puts this whole thing into perspective (and bed).
http://www.bangshift.com/blog/Car-Feature-The-Formerly-Hack-Job-General-Lee.html
:cheers: :cheers: :cheers: Very well done, Brian. :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
Awesome! A fantastic read, and I'm sure for you, great to finally have conclusion to this saga.
Much deserved! :cheers:
Quote from: ACUDANUT on October 12, 2010, 04:15:34 PM
Why not a GL,... you a yank?
Nope, he's an Aussie! :)
If you are going to paint it Orange & put the 01 on the side, you have to put the flag on the roof - if you don't, even if you turn it into the finest Charger in the country,
"why no flag?" is the only thing you will ever hear - and it'll drive you bonkers.
:Twocents:
Quote from: rooks on October 14, 2010, 02:09:09 PM
Nope, he's an Aussie! :)
If you are going to paint it Orange & put the 01 on the side, you have to put the flag on the roof - if you don't, even if you turn it into the finest Charger in the country, "why no flag?" is the only thing you will ever hear - and it'll drive you bonkers.
:Twocents:
Well that & according to nelson he got a lot of "this is the wrong year" statements from folks.
Dumb statements/questions do tend to get old. My favorite is, "Is it real?"
I always answer with "Touch it, does it feel real to you?"
I usually determine what answers' to give depending on whether I want to continue the conversation. ;)
Well, it's happening as we speak!!!!
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And a shot of the wife's new skull, courtesy of Chuck!!
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Very sorry to hear about this. I have had quite a few run ins with loosers like these shops over the years and believe me its tough to find good people. I wish I knew how to do the work myself.
I do own two original General Lees so if I can be of any help I will certainly be happy to. I can send you pictures of my cars and or give you information that I have learned over the years. This makes me sick what happened to you because I can tell you a few stories. I just recently gave my restored Green Hornet car to a shop to put some wheels on it and all week they left the car outside in the rain and kept new cars inside when I have tons of electrical in the trunk that cannot get wet and now I have to fix my door poppers and a few gauges.
Nice!!! A ProCharger Charged Charger!!! :icon_smile_big: WIll the thing fit under the hood without modifying, or cutting on the hood? I dont have any experience with Procharger, but had a Whipple on my truck and an Eaton before the Whipple. I love me some superchargers!! I would consider something this on my 451 or 470 stroker I plan on building. Dont know if it will fit on he 400 block and clear the hood. I am very anxious to see what RWHP humbers you get. Standing by in Afghanistan!!! - James
Quote from: jb666 on October 19, 2010, 05:30:47 PM
Well, it's happening as we speak!!!!
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And a shot of the wife's new skull, courtesy of Chuck!!
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look at all them goodies !! christmas come early :drool5: ....... :popcrn:
Well for the last few days I been working on the model version, and after the fuel line snap the other night (I didn't have it bended all the way with the 90degree angle in it) and with the fuel pump that the wire came undone from also when I was fixing the fuel line on top. So I took and removed the motor to work on it and I got the issue fix now and in the process I decided I would do one more up on this project. I'm going to add the procharger to the build also :yesnod: :lol: . NOW I'm unsure just how Jeff and his guys are running the system in the real car so on the part I can only go off of guess work for on the model for on how they will be doing it on the real thing.
Quote from: MoparManJim on October 21, 2010, 05:27:44 PM
Well for the last few days I been working on the model version, and after the fuel line snap the other night (I didn't have it bended all the way with the 90degree angle in it) and with the fuel pump that the wire came undone from also when I was fixing the fuel line on top. So I took and removed the motor to work on it and I got the issue fix now and in the process I decided I would do one more up on this project. I'm going to add the procharger to the build also :yesnod: :lol: . NOW I'm unsure just how Jeff and his guys are running the system in the real car so on the part I can only go off of guess work for on the model for on how they will be doing it on the real thing.
Glad you didn't have a fire.
Quote from: sanders7981 on October 21, 2010, 10:01:12 AM
Nice!!! A ProCharger Charged Charger!!! :icon_smile_big: WIll the thing fit under the hood without modifying, or cutting on the hood? I dont have any experience with Procharger, but had a Whipple on my truck and an Eaton before the Whipple. I love me some superchargers!! I would consider something this on my 451 or 470 stroker I plan on building. Dont know if it will fit on he 400 block and clear the hood. I am very anxious to see what RWHP humbers you get. Standing by in Afghanistan!!! - James
First, and most important, I'm assuming you are a soldier. If this is the case I'd like to thank you for everything you are doing. Be safe, kick ass, and get home!!!
Next... Yep, it'll fit.. It's going to take some cutting, modifying, fabricating and welding.. But Jon doesn't let anything get the best of him.
Let me start off by showing you a funny one.. The ONLY thing on this car that the guys didn't touch (except to paint) were the BK "strength bars" under the hood. They raved about these things during the build on their page, saying how you could "lift the car up by these bad boys". Yeah, that's why they got 1/2 way through them when BOINK, the BK "welds" snapped. :lol:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/IMG_0806Medium.jpg)
Oh yeah... This is some quality work right here.... :yesnod:
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Anyways... it's making room for this....
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next.. My nice new Ansen valve covers have to be cut & modified... But it's for a good cause...
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More coming later...
Is it my eyes or is that radiator support bent?
PS I almost for got to put the oil filter on the model engine block! :hah:. Glad you posted photos.
Sorry Jimbo, but... it's your eyes :cheers: :lol:
If you mean the lower bar, that's not the stock lower support.
Quote from: jb666 on October 21, 2010, 07:04:50 PM
Sorry Jimbo, but... it's your eyes :cheers: :lol:
If you mean the lower bar, that's not the stock lower support.
Now, I just now realize, I was looking t the top rail and the bottom rail which is in the same part is curved upwards like on the model, and when I was looking at it, with the bottom rail having the curve on it. It gives the effect from how the photo was taken of it looking like the top rail area is bent outwards when in fact it's not. Sorry about that bud.. :cheers:
Yes sir, I'm a US Marine. Have been for the last 11 years. Thanks for the support, it means a lot for all the service memebrs to have uspport of the nation back at home!!
I am no expert welder, but my uncle's friend who is and taught me to MIG weld in about half a day so i am decent, and my welds come out metter than that. I have to say that those welds look like hammered-dog-s#it!! To be honest, it kinda looks like the smeared JB weld on it :icon_smile_big:
I have not read through the whole 190 something pages, but I did get thorugh a lot of the earlier stuff and your car is an amazing piece of work, damn near like art in motion! All I can can is you some major perseverance and dedication!! :2thumbs: It may be awhile before I can afford a procharger, but I will defnitley reference your build for pointers. I kinda pushed the limits when modding my Lightning... my wife HATED my truck! That is why I have brought her into the fold on our resto project.
Sometimes you trust a guy or he may be a good talker many people have gone through this. I was trusting before myself but I learned from getting burned in the past to beware. I think most car guys have been screwed its just that so many body shops are full of loosers and con artists its hard to tell. I bought a car from George Barris in 2005 and just now finished the rstoration! It was at three shops until I had to ship it to Barris and Dick and Keith Dean did the restoration.
That is alot for a General Lee most of my pictures have to big a file for this site but as soon as I figure it out I can post shots of both my WB General Lees. I even have some cool shots of the Generals at WB. If anyone knows how to bring a picture file down to size I can send them the pictures to post.
Hey I got one to work!
what the hell kind of a mirror is that?! :shruggy:
The miror is whatever Warner Brothers put there. Who cares about the mirror, check out the paint :icon_smile_big:
A shot of the trunk
Like I said if I can be of help let me know. My friend has a body shop in Ohio and he is the best guy and will not screw you. He does great work!
You must not have read the thread.....he has a guy doing his work. The shop he has practically restored the whole car. Have you seen his paint :o
A few more sneak install shots...
Blower was so big the valve covers had to be modified.. But it's nothing Jon can't do with his eyes closed...
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My level of excitement is going through the roof right about now..
Quote from: jb666 on October 22, 2010, 09:24:28 PM
My level of excitement is going through the roof right about now..
Your not the only one! :lol:
Just remember this, what goes on with the real one is going on with the small one as well :lol: ... well almost.
Those photos you just posted will help me out tonight.
Awesome, You will need to get a video of it going down the road so we can hear it :drive:
No I havent read the thread just recent posts. Just got on the board, there is alot of reading here. Just trying to be helpful. Car looks great!
Quote from: The70RT on October 22, 2010, 09:38:56 PM
Awesome, You will need to get a video of it going down the road so we can hear it :drive:
:yesnod: yep deffo need a video of this thing when done :drool5: :drool5: :coolgleamA: :popcrn:
Count on the video...
Here's a couple more teaser shots... You'll see the two spots where the valve cover needed some "adjustment" :lol:
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Quote from: jb666 on October 23, 2010, 04:17:19 PM
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This one would of really have been a very very big help to me right now only if that dang radiator support wasn't in the dang way.. I'm starting to hate that dang thing :lol:
Hey Jeff, bud, when I ask last night for a direct on photo of the front mounting plate , I meant the procharger plate, not the radiator support :smilielol: :smilielol:
I love the set up so far :2thumbs:
Quote from: The70RT on October 22, 2010, 08:59:04 PM
You must not have read the thread.....he has a guy doing his work. The shop he has practically restored the whole car. Have you seen his paint :o
Oh the paint on JB666 car is by far the best ever!!! Probably the nicest General Lee anywhere!!! A lot nicer than mine that's for sure!!!
Oh the paint on JB666 car is by far the best ever!!! Probably the nicest General Lee anywhere!!! A lot nicer than mine that's for sure!!!
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i would have to diagree with the above statement. WB General Lee 's car is not a clone it's a Real General Lee
Quote from: NoGL on October 24, 2010, 01:15:07 AM
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Oh the paint on JB666 car is by far the best ever!!! Probably the nicest General Lee anywhere!!! A lot nicer than mine that's for sure!!!
i would have to diagree with the above statement. WB General Lee 's car is not a clone it's a Real General Lee
nicest as in quality... the paint is immaculate. original WB GL? no.. but the best painted one? most likely. and this is coming from a guy who "generally" (<--- play on words) does not like seeing general lees. but i sure can appreciate the hardwork and hell JB666 had to go through (notice his username for the hell reference, i am on a roll tonight huh?) to get his car to where it is today.
looks great Jeff... keep them engine pics a comin!
I'm sure it is lot's a hard work my issue was the statement nicest GL you can't compare a clone with a real tv or movie General Lee
Quote from: NoGL on October 24, 2010, 01:57:27 AM
I'm sure it is lot's a hard work my issue was the statement nicest GL you can't compare a clone with a real tv or movie General Lee
Why not? If the clone is nicer its nicer! Authenticity isn't a way of measuring how well a car is done.
Quote from: 1HotDaytona on October 24, 2010, 09:35:41 AM
Quote from: NoGL on October 24, 2010, 01:57:27 AM
I'm sure it is lot's a hard work my issue was the statement nicest GL you can't compare a clone with a real tv or movie General Lee
Why not? If the clone is nicer its nicer! Authenticity isn't a way of measuring how well a car is done.
:iagree:
This thread is about JB666's car. I would say start another one for the WB car. :Twocents:
Quote from: The70RT on October 24, 2010, 12:15:02 PM
This thread is about JB666's car. I would say start another one for the WB car. :Twocents:
I agree keep this thread on track.
Jeff car looks great!
Good idea on a new post i'm into the movie/TV cars thanks guys john
Quote from: RD on October 24, 2010, 01:20:56 AM
Quote from: NoGL on October 24, 2010, 01:15:07 AM
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Oh the paint on JB666 car is by far the best ever!!! Probably the nicest General Lee anywhere!!! A lot nicer than mine that's for sure!!!
i would have to diagree with the above statement. WB General Lee 's car is not a clone it's a Real General Lee
nicest as in quality... the paint is immaculate. original WB GL? no.. but the best painted one? most likely. and this is coming from a guy who "generally" (<--- play on words) does not like seeing general lees. but i sure can appreciate the hardwork and hell JB666 had to go through (notice his username for the hell reference, i am on a roll tonight huh?) to get his car to where it is today.
looks great Jeff... keep them engine pics a comin!
WOW, thank you!! :cheers: :cheers:
Quote from: FLG on October 24, 2010, 12:58:05 PM
Quote from: The70RT on October 24, 2010, 12:15:02 PM
This thread is about JB666's car. I would say start another one for the WB car. :Twocents:
I agree keep this thread on track.
Jeff car looks great!
thanks man!! I'm REALLY excited for what's coming next... Jon just sent me a teaser shot of the blower carb to let me know what's next....
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I'm like a 10 year old waiting for Santa to come, right now... I almost considered taking Valium for the anxiety!!
Quote from: TylerCharger69 on October 23, 2010, 05:55:29 PM
Quote from: The70RT on October 22, 2010, 08:59:04 PM
You must not have read the thread.....he has a guy doing his work. The shop he has practically restored the whole car. Have you seen his paint :o
Oh the paint on JB666 car is by far the best ever!!! Probably the nicest General Lee anywhere!!! A lot nicer than mine that's for sure!!!
Thank you!! I wish I had the talent to do the work that made my car look the way it does.. But alas, I'm not that talented.. my hat's off to you guys that CAN do your own stuff. :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
Listen, I'm not in a competition with anyone. I'm doing all of this for myself.. I'm living the dream, baby... Nothing else. :cheers:
Quote from: TylerCharger69 on October 23, 2010, 05:55:29 PM
Quote from: The70RT on October 22, 2010, 08:59:04 PM
You must not have read the thread.....he has a guy doing his work. The shop he has practically restored the whole car. Have you seen his paint :o
Oh the paint on JB666 car is by far the best ever!!! Probably the nicest General Lee anywhere!!! A lot nicer than mine that's for sure!!!
I have seen this car many times now, and it really is high end flawless! that is fact. Its not the GL factor only that makes it cool for so many people but the quality and depth of the work really has to be seen in daylite to believed...and then there's the hemi!!!.....o checck that BLOWN HEMI !!! :cheers: WOW.
Here are a few more shots, courtesy of Jon... I am simply amazed at the work he's doing.. .From the gas tank to the front bumper.... :drool5:
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The gas tank needed to be modified, but that was no problem for him:
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Check out these welds!!
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More coming soon...
gas tank mod is a great touch!
Awesome :drool5: The way your going this car is gonna be remembered for along time, especially if something big happened with BK. You might be able to retire off the proceeds if you don't kill your self first :lol: :drive:
Here are a few more shots I took today... I was in awe over the quality of the work going on here.. NOTHING on this install has been "bolt on". Everything's needed cutting, trimming and fabricating... The first shot you can barely tell the tank was modified! No sump hanging down...
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thats looking good !! really well done by the looks of it !! :drool5: :drool5:
awesome stuff :yesnod: :popcrn:
Thanks! There's still quite a bit to do... Cap off the tubing that was cut. Power steering, new fuel lines, new ignition controller, gauges, and some other minor details. My level of excitement shot through the roof today when I saw this in person.
WOW, incredible.
You obviously don't shun attention. ;)
Quote from: jb666 on October 30, 2010, 04:56:43 PM
Thanks! There's still quite a bit to do... Cap off the tubing that was cut. Power steering, new fuel lines, new ignition controller, gauges, and some other minor details. My level of excitement shot through the roof today when I saw this in person.
:yesnod: was going to ask , about the BK tubing , could bend a section up that goes around the blower ?? :scratchchin:
or like you say just cap it off !!
looking forward to seeing the next instalment Jeff :yesnod: :popcrn:
Quote from: tan top on October 30, 2010, 05:00:43 PM
Quote from: jb666 on October 30, 2010, 04:56:43 PM
Thanks! There's still quite a bit to do... Cap off the tubing that was cut. Power steering, new fuel lines, new ignition controller, gauges, and some other minor details. My level of excitement shot through the roof today when I saw this in person.
:yesnod: was going to ask , about the BK tubing , could bend a section up that goes around the blower ?? :scratchchin:
or like you say just cap it off !!
looking forward to seeing the next instalment Jeff :yesnod: :popcrn:
Thanks!!
As for the tubing, it'll just be capped right there... There's no need to add to it since it's doing nothing as it is...
We looked at the "weld" closer. I'll post a pic later, but there was more BONDO "welding" it to the frame than actual weld... :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
WOW, just wow!!! Thats all I can say.... :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
Well, it's done!!
Here's the initial fire-up.. The car is not tuned/dyno'd yet.. That's first thing tomorrow.. This was LITERALLY 10 seconds after it's first fire-up since the install..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAQ9wjv3VWw&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL
Oh what a thing of beauty.. I am amazed at how tight this thing is in there...
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/76186_1667056403215_1441461855_1759.jpg)
Plug wires need to be shortened, and a couple of other odds and ends, but here's another teaser shot..
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/76419_1667048923028_1441461855_1759.jpg)
WOW!!! :drool5: That is the baddest general out there.
I haven't had wood since the first part of '04. ;)
Yeah, I know...TMI.
Quote from: WHITE AND RED 69 on November 04, 2010, 09:00:49 PM
WOW!!! :drool5: That is the baddest general out there.
Oh hell yeah. :iagree:
:drool5: awesome !! job :yesnod: thanks for posting Jeff !! need longer video now :drool5: :yesnod: :popcrn: ;)
Quote from: 472 R/T SE on November 04, 2010, 11:08:52 PM
I haven't had wood since the first part of '04. ;)
Yeah, I know...TMI.
Quote from: WHITE AND RED 69 on November 04, 2010, 09:00:49 PM
WOW!!! :drool5: That is the baddest general out there.
Oh hell yeah. :iagree:
:rofl: :rofl: Classic, I love it!!!
Quote from: tan top on November 05, 2010, 03:19:05 AM
:drool5: awesome !! job :yesnod: thanks for posting Jeff !! need longer video now :drool5: :yesnod: :popcrn: ;)
Oh, it's coming :icon_smile_big:
Quote from: 472 R/T SE on November 04, 2010, 11:08:52 PM
I haven't had wood since the first part of '04. ;)
Yeah, I know...TMI.
Quote from: WHITE AND RED 69 on November 04, 2010, 09:00:49 PM
WOW!!! :drool5: That is the baddest general out there.
Oh hell yeah. :iagree:
Sounds like thats when you got married! :smilielol:
And here he is, on the dyno...
Nailed 700HP at the crank. It's tuned perfectly to be safe and reliable on the street. It's pushing 8PSI boost and will run low 10's WITH THE PUSH BAR ON all day long. Unfortunately, THAT video will have to wait till Spring.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hP5bsg7aCH0
Quote from: jb666 on November 05, 2010, 11:33:59 AM
And here he is, on the dyno...
Nailed 700HP at the crank. It's tuned perfectly to be safe and reliable on the street. It's pushing 8PSI boost and will run low 10's WITH THE PUSH BAR ON all day long. Unfortunately, THAT video will have to wait till Spring.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hP5bsg7aCH0
:drool5: :dance: nice !! thats got to be the way !! big power under a stock hood !! street / slow traffic /jam friendly :yesnod:!! awesome Jeff , thanks for the video :coolgleamA: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :yesnod: :coolgleamA:
:cheers:
HOLY SHITBALLS! :o
Ok mike... You on your way down??
Here's another quick video... It cracks me up how much this thing sounds like a jet. :lol:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iF3-1HsjvKg&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Quote from: jb666 on November 06, 2010, 11:17:47 AM
Here's another quick video... It cracks me up how much this thing sounds like a jet. :lol:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iF3-1HsjvKg&feature=youtube_gdata_player
:coolgleamA: :yesnod: :drool5:
, don't know much about these set ups , but seriously thinking about getting one some day ! maybe :scratchchin: :yesnod: , forgive me if im talking rubbish !! ( would not be the first time :shortbus:) isnt it a good idea/ should you should have !! a blowoff/bleed valve , on the incomming air to the carb !! so when you take you foot out of the throttle !! the pressurised air has somewhere to go ))) the throttle blades would be closed while the supercharger is still pushing boosed (pressured air) to the carb :scratchchin:
Mines Right up front :icon_smile_big:
I'm heading to get it now :drool5:
Quote from: jb666 on November 07, 2010, 12:52:46 PM
I'm heading to get it now :drool5:
:dance: :dance: ............... :popcrn:
Well, I just got back...
To sum it up quickly, I'd like to say two simple words... HOLY S**T!!!!!!!!!!!!
That is all.. I'm attempting to upload a video now, and some pictures.. But this is more power than I could imagine having (or using) on the street. And the SOUND?? WOW... :drool5:
Here's a quick 20MPH roll...
The car is insane.. This was only around 4lbs of boost. When Jon finallly got to open it up a bit more it almost put me through my seat into the back.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WcO3xfE_HI
here's a quick blip rolling from 30-60MPH in about 1.5 seconds.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-_cDkOwY44
I like that!
Quote from: jb666 on November 07, 2010, 04:12:57 PM
Here's a quick 20MPH roll...
The car is insane.. This was only around 4lbs of boost. When Jon finallly got to open it up a bit more it almost put me through my seat into the back.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WcO3xfE_HI
here's a quick blip rolling from 30-60MPH in about 1.5 seconds.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-_cDkOwY44
:2thumbs:
Quote from: jb666 on November 07, 2010, 04:12:57 PM
Here's a quick 20MPH roll...
The car is insane.. This was only around 4lbs of boost. When Jon finallly got to open it up a bit more it almost put me through my seat into the back.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WcO3xfE_HI
here's a quick blip rolling from 30-60MPH in about 1.5 seconds.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-_cDkOwY44
:2thumbs: :coolgleamA: :drool5: great stuff
Quote from: tan top on November 07, 2010, 04:52:36 PM
Quote from: jb666 on November 07, 2010, 04:12:57 PM
Here's a quick 20MPH roll...
The car is insane.. This was only around 4lbs of boost. When Jon finallly got to open it up a bit more it almost put me through my seat into the back.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WcO3xfE_HI
here's a quick blip rolling from 30-60MPH in about 1.5 seconds.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-_cDkOwY44
:2thumbs: :coolgleamA: :drool5: great stuff
it was the best I could do today.. I was using a small windshield suction mount device with my IPhone to take short videos,and about 1/3 of the way home I RAN OUT OF SPACE on my Iphone.. So I was out of commission after that...
:drool5:
Passes out......................
I feel your pain here dude, I bought a car from the people at Texas Toy Box, a 1968 318 XP29 Charger. The owner told me the car had 52k original miles and was rust (cancerous rust) and accident damage free. When I get the car out here (California) low and behold it has cancerous rust in the usual places and has evidence of being hit in the right front corner. There skillful pictures of the car showed none of the issues. They also said the car drove straight but when you apply the brakes it takes all your effort to keep the car straight. I will put the car right but I wouldn't have paid what I paid had the guy been honest with me. It's my fault, I trusted what the guy was saying on the phone and in the multitude of emails I sent. I also trusted the appraisal he sent which as it turns out, they printed off the internet, filled it out themselves and forged someone elses signiture on it. Anyway, good luck with your car, if you know anyone considering buying an old Mopar watch out of these guys.
Quote from: hollywood1336 on November 10, 2010, 09:40:18 AM
I feel your pain here dude, I bought a car from the people at Texas Toy Box, a 1968 318 XP29 Charger. The owner told me the car had 52k original miles and was rust (cancerous rust) and accident damage free. When I get the car out here (California) low and behold it has cancerous rust in the usual places and has evidence of being hit in the right front corner. There skillful pictures of the car showed none of the issues. They also said the car drove straight but when you apply the brakes it takes all your effort to keep the car straight. I will put the car right but I wouldn't have paid what I paid had the guy been honest with me. It's my fault, I trusted what the guy was saying on the phone and in the multitude of emails I sent. I also trusted the appraisal he sent which as it turns out, they printed off the internet, filled it out themselves and forged someone elses signiture on it. Anyway, good luck with your car, if you know anyone considering buying an old Mopar watch out of these guys.
what a bummer , people like that should be shot !!!
Quote from: hollywood1336 on November 10, 2010, 09:40:18 AM
I feel your pain here dude, I bought a car from the people at Texas Toy Box, a 1968 318 XP29 Charger. The owner told me the car had 52k original miles and was rust (cancerous rust) and accident damage free. When I get the car out here (California) low and behold it has cancerous rust in the usual places and has evidence of being hit in the right front corner. There skillful pictures of the car showed none of the issues. They also said the car drove straight but when you apply the brakes it takes all your effort to keep the car straight. I will put the car right but I wouldn't have paid what I paid had the guy been honest with me. It's my fault, I trusted what the guy was saying on the phone and in the multitude of emails I sent. I also trusted the appraisal he sent which as it turns out, they printed off the internet, filled it out themselves and forged someone elses signiture on it. Anyway, good luck with your car, if you know anyone considering buying an old Mopar watch out of these guys.
Funny you'd say that.. Before my BK Adventure began, I was in contact with Texas Toy Box, until I did some research about them online... Guess that didn't do me a lot of good :lol:
I just posted over 200 pictures (5 different albums) on my Facebook page...
WAY too much to upload to PhotoBucket and post links.. FB makes it SO easy...
But here's a taste of each location...
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/74139_1682481828841_1441461855_1788.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/76718_1682513069622_1441461855_1788.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/150048_1682553350629_1441461855_178.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/149002_1682552310603_1441461855_178.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/74568_1682590911568_1441461855_1788.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/150562_1682591191575_1441461855_178.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/74153_1682617352229_1441461855_1788.jpg)
Overall, it was a great day... Overcast skies, nice color on the trees/ground, good company and a day that I'll remember as it's snowing for the next 5 months...
Awesome. Love the pics too. I'm beginning to think my Challenger came from one of those places. It was a Texas car. :scratchchin:
Quote from: 71ChallengeHer on November 14, 2010, 04:20:13 PM
Awesome. Love the pics too. I'm beginning to think my Challenger came from one of those places. It was a Texas car. :scratchchin:
Very cool, thanks!!
My car came from Texas, but lives in Mass now... The car went away for the winter after today's ride..
good pictures jeff :yesnod: like second one best :yesnod: no no scratch that like them all :drool5: :coolgleamA: :2thumbs:
Quote from: tan top on November 14, 2010, 04:25:20 PM
good pictures jeff :yesnod: like second one best :yesnod: no no scratch that like them all :drool5: :coolgleamA: :2thumbs:
Funny, but I just made that my new profile pic on FB.. It's by far my favorite shot of the day. It looks so natural parked there... Brings me back to 1979!!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/76718_1682513069622_1441461855_1788.jpg)
Jeff, earth to Jeff, when you have time, please check your facebook messages :lol: . I sent you a email over there about 4 maybe 5 days ago and yet like over here I have heard nothing.. do I have to cyber kick you in the butt? :nana: :lol:
Also you all, sense we are on the topic of his car, I have something I would like to share here as well http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMWaac-n4xY , I am behind on updates.
jeff, just knowing all the crap you went through to get to where you are today is an inspiration for everyone. please keep the videos coming.. i love living through you vicariously. and that is saying a lot since you know GL's... well.. you know me and GL's. lol hehehe :D
Quote from: RD on November 14, 2010, 05:40:23 PM
jeff, just knowing all the crap you went through to get to where you are today is an inspiration for everyone. please keep the videos coming.. i love living through you vicariously. and that is saying a lot since you know GL's... well.. you know me and GL's. lol hehehe :D
Hey, I just saw this now... Thank you!! I appreciate that.. :cheers: .. I know the GL's not for everyone... But it certainly is for me :lol:
Anyways, he's back in the paint booth...
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/155197_1689332760110_1441461855_180.jpg)
but this time, just getting it's final wet-sand & buff before winter storage.. it'll be ready for World Of Wheels and will STAY that way until the show...
To all you guys who have read this watch out for the guys at Texas Toy Box as well. Don't believe a word they tell you, if you are considering buying a car from them, go in person to look at it, otherwise stay far away from them.
Well, to anyone wondering, someone I know was at the Houston Autorama this weekend. He had a chance to see (and chat with) Thomas from BK who was there proudly displaying some of BK's "work".
So yes, to anyone who's asked, BK still exists. I just hope any of their "future customers" have the sense to look online before handing out any $$.
:cheers: :cheers:
Quote from: jb666 on November 26, 2010, 10:00:33 AM
Well, to anyone wondering, someone I know was at the Houston Autorama this weekend. He had a chance to see (and chat with) Thomas from BK who was there proudly displaying some of BK's "work".
So yes, to anyone who's asked, BK still exists. I just hope any of their "future customers" have the sense to look online before handing out any $$.
:cheers: :cheers:
:o that bondo bandit still going :rotz: :rant:
Quote from: tan top on November 26, 2010, 10:53:24 AM
Quote from: jb666 on November 26, 2010, 10:00:33 AM
Well, to anyone wondering, someone I know was at the Houston Autorama this weekend. He had a chance to see (and chat with) Thomas from BK who was there proudly displaying some of BK's "work".
So yes, to anyone who's asked, BK still exists. I just hope any of their "future customers" have the sense to look online before handing out any $$.
:cheers: :cheers:
:o that bondo bandit still going :rotz: :rant:
:lol: it must be the bondo fumes that keeps him going. I would have thought with what had happen with Jeff's issue and them, something would have happen.
It amazes me how some of these scammers just keep on operating.
It's sad, but I would estimate 3/4's of the restoration shops are "wreck-toration shops". I know I've had my experiences. What's really sad is that some of these clowns are convinced that they ARE fixing these cars.
Quote from: jb666 on November 07, 2010, 04:12:57 PM
Here's a quick 20MPH roll...
The car is insane.. This was only around 4lbs of boost. When Jon finallly got to open it up a bit more it almost put me through my seat into the back.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WcO3xfE_HI
here's a quick blip rolling from 30-60MPH in about 1.5 seconds.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-_cDkOwY44
I remember an episode of the Dukes of Hazzard (Coy and Vance ep). I believe it's "A little game of pool." Anyways Boss wants the GL to use in bank robberies, so he hires two baddies. In one scene the two baddies have a radar gun and are seeing how fast the GL's acceleration is. The Dukes jump the GL and accelerate away, in which one of the baddies says basically that the GL went from 25mph - 55mph in two and a half seconds, saying that was the best time yet. So it appears JB666 your General Lee is faster than the tv General Lee. :coolgleamA:
The car IS DONE AND READY for it's long winter's nap.. And will not come out until The World Of Wheels...
It's been wetsanded, buffed, polished, and polished some more.. It looks INCREDIBLY DEEP!!
Ready to go in...
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/162713_1714374746144_1441461855_184.jpg)
A few underhood minor details taken care of (paint).
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/154978_1714404826896_1441461855_184.jpg)
Taped up and ready to wet-sand..
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/157087_1716555280656_1441461855_185.jpg)
Sanded...
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/155733_1717243257855_1441461855_185.jpg)
Buffed...
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/162604_1718214122126_1441461855_185.jpg)
And 11 hours of non-stop work later, ready for me to take him home!!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/65707_1719283268854_1441461855_1858.jpg)
Today, the tail light cover that I won on EBay arrived. I was shocked at it's condition.. Fits like a glove...
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/Trunk.jpg)
See you in the Spring!!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/Sleep.jpg)
You guys hear this? The car is done? Not buying it. :drool5: :icon_smile_big: Looks killer
Looks great Jeff!
Charger01, i know for a fact the damn thing isnt done. :slap:
I re-read what Jeff posted...he said "Its done for its winter nap" which in that case it might be for now LOL
:yesnod: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
Quote from: FLG on December 10, 2010, 01:58:53 AM
Looks great Jeff!
Charger01, i know for a fact the damn thing isnt done. :slap:
I re-read what Jeff posted...he said "Its done for its winter nap" which in that case it might be for now LOL
(http://domesticmisfits.net/forums/images/smilies/toetap.gif) Hey, who asked you?? :slap: I'm done!!!!!!!!!! maybe.... (http://domesticmisfits.net/forums/images/smilies/leaving.gif)
No one sits in the back seat anyways, might as well tub it. :icon_smile_big:
Quote from: 472 R/T SE on December 10, 2010, 09:24:26 PM
No one sits in the back seat anyways, might as well tub it. :icon_smile_big:
Why didn't I think of that :icon_smile_big:
We actually had discussed mini-tubs, but it's gone to far to rip everything out and tub it now... And, believe it or not, once in a while my daughter does ride along with us, so I need to keep the back seat in place :lol:
Quote from: jb666 on December 11, 2010, 08:39:48 AM
Quote from: 472 R/T SE on December 10, 2010, 09:24:26 PM
No one sits in the back seat anyways, might as well tub it. :icon_smile_big:
Why didn't I think of that :icon_smile_big:
We actually had discussed mini-tubs, but it's gone to far to rip everything out and tub it now... And, believe it or not, once in a while my daughter does ride along with us, so I need to keep the back seat in place :lol:
Just one kid...could tub big time... :D
You know there are other reasons to keep the back seat.
Quote from: skip68 on December 11, 2010, 10:21:59 AM
You know there are other reasons to keep the back seat.
:rofl: Have you seen the bars in my car?? you'd have to be a contortionist :smilielol:
I have three small letters................ EFI..... That's the only thing I can think of being on my horizon...
Couple of wheel\tire questions for you.
1- what size tires front and rear?
2- what width rims?
3- what is the offset\backspace on your rims?
Thanks!!
Quote from: c00nhunterjoe on December 11, 2010, 06:09:56 PM
Couple of wheel\tire questions for you.
1- what size tires front and rear?
2- what width rims?
3- what is the offset\backspace on your rims?
Thanks!!
I'm running 245's up front on 15X8" rims and 275 ET Drag Radials on the rear on 15X10" rims. The rims are American Racing Vectors, and to be 100% honest with you I'm not sure of their offset, sorry.
I hope that helps :cheers:
Quote from: jb666 on December 11, 2010, 12:10:01 PM
Quote from: skip68 on December 11, 2010, 10:21:59 AM
You know there are other reasons to keep the back seat.
:rofl: Have you seen the bars in my car?? you'd have to be a contortionist :smilielol:
I have three small letters................ EFI..... That's the only thing I can think of being on my horizon...
You could always use some hand cuffs on those bars... :lol:
Told you he wasn't done yet.
Yes, that helps thanks. I have 15x8.5's for all 4 corners and not sure how wide to go up front. Its between 245 and 255 60's. What torsion bars are you running? I want to get my front end up but my bars are near the max on the adjusters. I like the level stance you've got going.
Scratches his head and wonders......... :ahum: why aren't there any burn out videos??? :shruggy:
Quote from: ionracer24 on December 13, 2010, 02:09:18 AM
Scratches his head and wonders......... :ahum: why aren't there any burn out videos??? :shruggy:
Cuz Jeffs a wuss!
Quote from: FLG on December 13, 2010, 03:01:47 AM
Quote from: ionracer24 on December 13, 2010, 02:09:18 AM
Scratches his head and wonders......... :ahum: why aren't there any burn out videos??? :shruggy:
Cuz Jeffs a wuss!
He just buffed & polished....he could put on some mud flaps though :lol:
Handcuffs, roll bars, and buffing oh my! No burn out videos...hmmm...must be reeling from the finish of the project...let's give him till the snow melts...hit the track in spring/summer!
C'Mon!! This thing can't spin the tires!!! :shruggy:
Merry Christmas, General!
Indy Intake:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/photo-31.jpg)
Complete FAST EFI setup:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/166205_1742317724701_1441461855_190.jpg)
If there's anyone out there looking for a car to buy, watch out for the guys at Texas Toy Box. They will have you thinking you are buying a gem and you'll end up with a rock. It's a Father and son business, the father Ray, answers the phone and, the son is supposed to be a mechanic. They are both a couple of con artists and rip off merchants. A word of worning if you are thinking of buying something from them.
Quote from: jb666 on December 09, 2010, 08:14:31 PM
The car IS DONE AND READY for it's long winter's nap.. And will not come out until The World Of Wheels...
STORAGE??? That sucks...benefit of living in Florida I guess...Never need storage. In fact the winter months are some of the best for cruising (although mine isnt quite ready...maybe early Feb). Summer is great but only if you have A/C.
Anyway, Ultra Sweet General....Wow Nice to see someone else is pouring a ton of $$$ in a General. Most I've seen aren't the best examples of a "restoration" and not many are done "right" like yours. Excellent Job!
Quote from: Bobby41909 on December 29, 2010, 01:04:16 PM
Quote from: jb666 on December 09, 2010, 08:14:31 PM
The car IS DONE AND READY for it's long winter's nap.. And will not come out until The World Of Wheels...
STORAGE??? That sucks...benefit of living in Florida I guess...Never need storage. In fact the winter months are some of the best for cruising (although mine isnt quite ready...maybe early Feb). Summer is great but only if you have A/C.
Anyway, Ultra Sweet General....Wow Nice to see someone else is pouring a ton of $$$ in a General. Most I've seen aren't the best examples of a "restoration" and not many are done "right" like yours. Excellent Job!
Wow, thank you.. That's very nice of you to say.. I'm following yours on the edge of my seat :cheers: :cheers:
How do you cope with leaving everything idle for the winter months.That coming from someone who has never seen snow. :smilielol:.
Plenty of water though, we are in the midst of the worst floods to hit the region in 50 years.
Quote from: Aussie R/T on December 29, 2010, 06:36:19 PM
How do you cope with leaving everything idle for the winter months.That coming from someone who has never seen snow. :smilielol:.
Plenty of water though, we are in the midst of the worst floods to hit the region in 50 years.
Trust me, it ain't easy.. I'm already going through huge withdrawals...
you could always do an oprah :2thumbs:
Have you ever thought about swapping in an aluminum block to lighten up the front end and see how that makes the car perform. Is suggesting things for jb666 to do to the car like offering an alcoholic beer, just a bad idea?
Quote from: bamadukefan02 on January 10, 2011, 04:44:41 AM
Have you ever thought about swapping in an aluminum block to lighten up the front end and see how that makes the car perform. Is suggesting things for jb666 to do to the car like offering an alcoholic beer, just a bad idea?
Yes, I believe so...
:lol: You guys are too much...
An aluminum block? Even for an addict like me, that's overkill.. Wait, what am I talking about? I'll order it today.
Seriously though, this motor is NOT coming back out, EVER, unless it blows up... I'm not looking for weight reductions, at this point.. The car is faster than I'll ever need on the street.
Ok... A couple of DURING pictures of the EFI install... Keep in mind that it is NOT finished and will look 100% complete the next time you see it... But it's off to the dyno for some major tuning!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/Fast12Small.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/Fast10Small.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/Fast8Small.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/Fast6Small.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/Fast2Small.jpg)
:popcrn:
I cant believe the legs this thread has. :popcrn:
almost 200 pages
:drool5: That's one hell of a nice setup. We need to see those dyno numbers when you get them. :2thumbs:
Quote from: WHITE AND RED 69 on January 21, 2011, 12:10:44 AM
:drool5: That's one hell of a nice setup. We need to see those dyno numbers when you get them. :2thumbs:
You've got it... Hopefully those will be in the next few days. We just got another 10" of the white stuff dumped on us.. And another foot coming Tuesday night... So the completion of this might have to be squeezed in between.
Well, the General is HOME as of today... Took quite a bit of work (clearing snow from the road, and multiple driveways) so that Jon could get his big dually & Trailer down my road... But it's DONE!!
Ended up picking up exactly 20RWHP on the dyno.. But the difference in how the car runs is nothing short of amazing. Tap the key and it fires RIGHT over ...And IDLES PERFECTLY, even ice cold!! EFI will definitely make this thing a smooth driving street car with 700+CHP. Keep in mind, this car was tuned 100% for efficiency.. A simple pulley swap could put me up a lot higher in #'s, but do I NEED that kind of power on the street? Do I NEED 700?????????? No... but it'll be fun...
So, I asked that it be done , tuned and made to be driven on the road (with a Spring blast up the track). And that's exactly what they did.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/166408_1799619317205_1441461855_202.jpg)
The ONLY time he'll see the snow!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/167155_1799547195402_1441461855_202.jpg)
Not quite moved over, or tucked in, but in a nice warm resting spot! My new heating unit keeps the garage at 60 with ease.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/180871_1799507354406_1441461855_202.jpg)
What are you a plastic surgeon or something! Wow. You seam to have kept a fairly positive attitude, I know I wouldn't have been able to.
Anyhow, what size rims do you have on the back
Quote from: Bobs69 on January 29, 2011, 04:41:59 PM
What are you a plastic surgeon or something! Wow. You seam to have kept a fairly positive attitude, I know I wouldn't have been able to.
Anyhow, what size rims do you have on the back
:rofl: Hardly....
I have 15X10's on the back and 15X8.5's on the front.
Quote from: hollywood1336 on December 29, 2010, 10:18:36 AM
If there's anyone out there looking for a car to buy, watch out for the guys at Texas Toy Box. They will have you thinking you are buying a gem and you'll end up with a rock. It's a Father and son business, the father Ray, answers the phone and, the son is supposed to be a mechanic. They are both a couple of con artists and rip off merchants. A word of worning if you are thinking of buying something from them.
those guys sell nothing but polished turds
Quote from: jb666 on January 29, 2011, 04:51:08 PM
Quote from: Bobs69 on January 29, 2011, 04:41:59 PM
What are you a plastic surgeon or something! Wow. You seam to have kept a fairly positive attitude, I know I wouldn't have been able to.
Anyhow, what size rims do you have on the back
:rofl: Hardly....
I have 15X10's on the back and 15X8.5's on the front.
What rear end is in your car? I didn't like the way the 10inch rim stuck out on my car, but looking at your picture they look great.
Quote from: Bobs69 on February 01, 2011, 03:19:06 AM
Quote from: jb666 on January 29, 2011, 04:51:08 PM
Quote from: Bobs69 on January 29, 2011, 04:41:59 PM
What are you a plastic surgeon or something! Wow. You seam to have kept a fairly positive attitude, I know I wouldn't have been able to.
Anyhow, what size rims do you have on the back
:rofl: Hardly....
I have 15X10's on the back and 15X8.5's on the front.
What rear end is in your car? I didn't like the way the 10inch rim stuck out on my car, but looking at your picture they look great.
It's all about the backspace of the rims Bob. The more backspace a rim has, the further it sits in the wheel well. You probably had 4" backspace so the wheels stuck out more.
Exactly.. It's not about the rear end, it's the backspace 100%. These are American Racing Vectors.. And they are about the ONLY thing left from the car untouched from day one, so I couldn't tell you the backspace of the rims, sorry...
:o :o Good God, can't wait to see that blasting down the strip at New England Dragway. I'm assuming your going to be there for the Mopar show.
Quote from: NHCharger on February 01, 2011, 08:51:40 PM
:o :o Good God, can't wait to see that blasting down the strip at New England Dragway. I'm assuming your going to be there for the Mopar show.
Yes, for sure. I'll also be there a couple of weekends in May.
I told someone the same thing the other day.. I don't care who beats me.. I had this done for me.. There's always someone bigger badder and faster out there.. For me it'll be cool watching JON blast my car down the track while I get some killer video.. THAT would make my lifetime!!!!!!!
Aww, c'mon JB, we want video of you boiling the tires & then blasting down the quarter.
I can understand though, I think it would take me a while to adjust to the HP.
I'm just posting this in hopes I can be the 1st to hit 200 pages.
.
Jeff, just bought the wife a nice camcorder for x-mas. I'll film you trashing the gear box anytime you want. I only live 20 minutes from NEDW.
Quote from: 472 R/T SE on February 01, 2011, 09:11:07 PM
I'm just posting this in hopes I can be the 1st to hit 200 pages.
HaHa, beat ya :slap: :slap: :lol: :lol: :nana: :nana:
Quote from: 472 R/T SE on February 01, 2011, 09:10:08 PM
Aww, c'mon JB, we want video of you boiling the tires & then blasting down the quarter.
I can understand though, I think it would take me a while to adjust to the HP.
Well, here's my logic... Not sure it makes sense, but it's what I'm thinking...
Jon is a pro.. he's got thousands of runs under his belt. I figure is anyone can get the absolute best times out of my car HE can right out of the gate...
I'm not saying I'd kill my car... I'm just admitting that Jon's a Hell of a driver and I could benefit from his experience.
Quote from: NHCharger on February 01, 2011, 09:13:59 PM
Jeff, just bought the wife a nice camcorder for x-mas. I'll film you trashing the gear box anytime you want. I only live 20 minutes from NEDW.
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Quote from: 472 R/T SE on February 01, 2011, 09:11:07 PM
I'm just posting this in hopes I can be the 1st to hit 200 pages.
Post whore!! :icon_smile_big:
Quote from: jb666 on February 01, 2011, 06:08:19 PM
Exactly.. It's not about the rear end, it's the backspace 100%. These are American Racing Vectors.. And they are about the ONLY thing left from the car untouched from day one, so I couldn't tell you the backspace of the rims, sorry...
No problem, I've been told that they are all the same 3 and 3/4 backspacing. Got any pictures from behind?
Am I right about this, anyone? All the AR vectors had the same backspace?
I had some 8.5 carroll shelby vectors that I believe had a 4 inch backspacing. I always thought all of the ar vectors had the same backspacing , 3 3/4 I think until proven wrong on this forum. There is a thread somewhere on here where a member posted pics of his different wheels with different backspacing, Unfortunately I don't recall the thread.
Quote from: charger01 on February 02, 2011, 12:28:50 PM
I had some 8.5 carroll shelby vectors that I believe had a 4 inch backspacing. I always thought all of the ar vectors had the same backspacing , 3 3/4 I think until proven wrong on this forum. There is a thread somewhere on here where a member posted pics of his different wheels with different backspacing, Unfortunately I don't recall the thread.
I wasn't started by Dixie Lee or Mopar01 was it! haha
I'll look for it. Thanks.
Quote from: Bobs69 on February 02, 2011, 10:21:49 PM
Quote from: charger01 on February 02, 2011, 12:28:50 PM
I had some 8.5 carroll shelby vectors that I believe had a 4 inch backspacing. I always thought all of the ar vectors had the same backspacing , 3 3/4 I think until proven wrong on this forum. There is a thread somewhere on here where a member posted pics of his different wheels with different backspacing, Unfortunately I don't recall the thread.
I wasn't started by Dixie Lee or Mopar01 was it! haha
I'll look for it. Thanks.
What's the deal with Dixie Lee or Mopar01? I've seen comments here and there and he tried selling me a Charger when I originally started posting in here but he never got back with me in time (I don't wait around and found another by the time he got back with me). I see he's always looking for and selling stuff?
i can't believe it has been this long since first seeing this on the cglfc boards, simply amazing job on the rebirth !
:2thumbs:
Quote from: duster7071 on February 23, 2011, 10:26:35 AM
i can't believe it has been this long since first seeing this on the cglfc boards, simply amazing job on the rebirth !
:2thumbs:
CGLFC boards??? I've tried at least 8 times to become a member of that website and I never get the activation e-mail. If you follow the directions it says if you have trouble or don't get the activation e-mail contact an administrator. But you have to be a member to contact them....Crazy....
If anyone can contact them for me it would be great...my e-mail is bbatz@tampabay.rr.com
I wanted to post pictures of my General build on their but couldn't. Now that I am alsomost done it would still be nice to have access.
Quote from: Bobby41909 on February 23, 2011, 12:50:36 PM
Quote from: duster7071 on February 23, 2011, 10:26:35 AM
i can't believe it has been this long since first seeing this on the cglfc boards, simply amazing job on the rebirth !
:2thumbs:
CGLFC boards??? I've tried at least 8 times to become a member of that website and I never get the activation e-mail. If you follow the directions it says if you have trouble or don't get the activation e-mail contact an administrator. But you have to be a member to contact them....Crazy....
If anyone can contact them for me it would be great...my e-mail is bbatz@tampabay.rr.com
I wanted to post pictures of my General build on their but couldn't. Now that I am alsomost done it would still be nice to have access.
I got ripped off hard-core by a member of that forum and never returned... Hell, I figure if I want to stick around and be abused and treated like s**t I'll just stay here :lol:
Quote from: duster7071 on February 23, 2011, 10:26:35 AM
i can't believe it has been this long since first seeing this on the cglfc boards, simply amazing job on the rebirth !
:2thumbs:
Thanks! It's been a LONG JOURNEY... But it's finally over!!
Quote from: jb666 on February 23, 2011, 10:05:12 PM
I got ripped off hard-core by a member of that forum and never returned... Hell, I figure if I want to stick around and be abused and treated like s**t I'll just stay here :lol:
Now that's funny.....
Quote from: Bobby41909 on February 23, 2011, 10:13:42 PM
Quote from: jb666 on February 23, 2011, 10:05:12 PM
I got ripped off hard-core by a member of that forum and never returned... Hell, I figure if I want to stick around and be abused and treated like s**t I'll just stay here :lol:
Now that's funny.....
I don't see it funny, my reason is I'm a member there myself just like afew other people on here is also. The person he is talking about was banned from that forum over a year ago now. I been a member of that forum long before I was a member here and over there I have seen people come and go and what some of them did AND why they got banned for too.
Quote from: MoparManJim on February 23, 2011, 10:50:38 PM
Quote from: Bobby41909 on February 23, 2011, 10:13:42 PM
Quote from: jb666 on February 23, 2011, 10:05:12 PM
I got ripped off hard-core by a member of that forum and never returned... Hell, I figure if I want to stick around and be abused and treated like s**t I'll just stay here :lol:
Now that's funny.....
I don't see it funny, my reason is I'm a member there myself just like afew other people on here is also. The person he is talking about was banned from that forum over a year ago now. I been a member of that forum long before I was a member here and over there I have seen people come and go and what some of them did AND why they got banned for too.
I was refering to his comment "Hell, I figure if I want to stick around and be abused and treated like s**t I'll just stay here"
Plenty of that in this forum....especially with GL owners. I am still interested in activating my e-mail if you can help.
Quote from: jb666 on February 01, 2011, 09:17:44 PM
Quote from: 472 R/T SE on February 01, 2011, 09:10:08 PM
Aww, c'mon JB, we want video of you boiling the tires & then blasting down the quarter.
I can understand though, I think it would take me a while to adjust to the HP.
Well, here's my logic... Not sure it makes sense, but it's what I'm thinking...
Jon is a pro.. he's got thousands of runs under his belt. I figure is anyone can get the absolute best times out of my car HE can right out of the gate...
I'm not saying I'd kill my car... I'm just admitting that Jon's a Hell of a driver and I could benefit from his experience.
Quote from: NHCharger on February 01, 2011, 09:13:59 PM
Jeff, just bought the wife a nice camcorder for x-mas. I'll film you trashing the gear box anytime you want. I only live 20 minutes from NEDW.
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Quote from: 472 R/T SE on February 01, 2011, 09:11:07 PM
I'm just posting this in hopes I can be the 1st to hit 200 pages.
Post whore!! :icon_smile_big:
your just scared and I don't blame you,I was going to try and talk you into driving it but if you are to agressive on the throttle when changing gears and it looses traction it can get side ways very quickly.Normally this isn;t a prob but a lot of people ease off the gas and over correct and then it gets ugly.So if you have a healthy respect best stick to it.Just see if it launches straight and ask jon how it is he may feel confident and he may not it all depends on the way it transfers the power to the ground.In any case you'll get some cool vids.Half your luck I wish my R/T was doing the same soon.
I was at the shop today and Jon said he will only drive your car if you make a full pass in the Nova first. Ya he did.
Quote from: Dave C on February 25, 2011, 09:36:46 PM
I was at the shop today and Jon said he will only drive your car if you make a full pass in the Nova first. Ya he did.
Uh oh... :o
Tell him only if the car's got a wing on it.. :yesnod:
Talk about a way to end an (almost) 3 year saga.... My light at the end of the tunnel... I'm hitting my first EVER World Of Wheels next weekend... It's been a long time coming.. And the hype the show's getting is already blowing me away... THIS truly is the END OF THE SAGA... From rags to riches!!
One show flier...
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/GeneralPoster.jpg)
And my show poster... Written by someone who's written more magazine articles than I've posted here!!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/201531_10150121878318339_40729588338_6803547_6256061_o.jpg)
I absolutely can not wait... We are loading the car into the trailer next Thursday morning and heading in... This is what it's all been about and THIS is what I've said I will do since I was 10 years old...
:drool5: :2thumbs: :coolgleamA:
congrads and have fun :)
Quote from: Khyron on March 26, 2011, 04:43:26 PM
congrads and have fun :)
thanks!! We definitely will... It's been a long time coming, and I've had nothing but anxiety about this for the past few weeks (knowing the show was coming). But now? It's turned into excitement.... I will do this show once and never again.. One of the things on my "bucket list" :lol:
Congratulations to the Bakers. Bucket list check off items are good things to get done.
Have fun.
Car looks fabulous.
Mike
Quote from: mikepmcs on March 26, 2011, 06:02:56 PM
Congratulations to the Bakers. Bucket list check off items are good things to get done.
Have fun.
Car looks fabulous.
Mike
Thanks, Mike!! I know you love large crowds as much as I do, so I know the answer to the "are you coming down?" question :lol:
Cool beans Jeff have a great time!!
Quote from: Just 6T9 CHGR on March 26, 2011, 06:21:53 PM
Cool beans Jeff have a great time!!
Thanks!! It'll be a long 3 days, but a long weekend I'm sure I won't forget any time soon.
Hey Mike,
You gonna be there?
Im going on sunday and than gonna head up to you afterwards :2thumbs:
:cheers: The car looks MINT in that first larger pic. Enjoy showing it off! Man, that is a perfect GL.
Sure has come a long way since this thread began.
I think it's safe to say you do indeed have the ultimate General Lee. :2thumbs:
Quote from: Troy on November 16, 2008, 11:18:54 AM
Good luck! I hope this has a (somewhat) happy ending.
Troy
Troy said it a long time ago.
Indeed he did... He called it. I knew, at some point, there was light at the end of the tunnel, I just had no idea it'd take so long to get there :lol:
So, tonight the wife and I spent several hours in the garage.. Going over EVERY SQUARE INCH of the car for one of the final inspections/polishes. From buffing compound we had missed to the usual deposits from driving a car on the street, THIS THING IS READY. There isn't one spec anywhere on this car right now...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FV8Tv_RwUfY
Then, after this show is over, I am spending this season driving the Hell out of this thing!!!!!!!!!!!
So lets see. That show ends on Sunday. So that gives you from then until Thursday to get it hauled out to VEGAS for the MATS.
It only makes sense that you bring it there directly from the other show as it will be clean and so many of us DCers will be there. Not to mention MOPARTERS and a few other sites that have been watching your saga.
Quote from: Steve P. on March 27, 2011, 11:51:34 AM
So lets see. That show ends on Sunday. So that gives you from then until Thursday to get it hauled out to VEGAS for the MATS.
It only makes sense that you bring it there directly from the other show as it will be clean and so many of us DCers will be there. Not to mention MOPARTERS and a few other sites that have been watching your saga.
:rofl: Ok, fine.. I'll load it up in the trailer, ask for another week of vacation time and head on out!! What the... :slap: ... I wish.
Quote from: jb666 on March 27, 2011, 03:32:48 PM
Quote from: Steve P. on March 27, 2011, 11:51:34 AM
So lets see. That show ends on Sunday. So that gives you from then until Thursday to get it hauled out to VEGAS for the MATS.
It only makes sense that you bring it there directly from the other show as it will be clean and so many of us DCers will be there. Not to mention MOPARTERS and a few other sites that have been watching your saga.
:rofl: Ok, fine.. I'll load it up in the trailer, ask for another week of vacation time and head on out!! What the... :slap: ... I wish.
Anything is possible if you just put your mind to it! :nana: :smilielol:
Quote from: resq302 on March 27, 2011, 03:51:13 PM
Quote from: jb666 on March 27, 2011, 03:32:48 PM
Quote from: Steve P. on March 27, 2011, 11:51:34 AM
So lets see. That show ends on Sunday. So that gives you from then until Thursday to get it hauled out to VEGAS for the MATS.
It only makes sense that you bring it there directly from the other show as it will be clean and so many of us DCers will be there. Not to mention MOPARTERS and a few other sites that have been watching your saga.
:rofl: Ok, fine.. I'll load it up in the trailer, ask for another week of vacation time and head on out!! What the... :slap: ... I wish.
Anything is possible if you just put your mind to it! :nana: :smilielol:
Well there you have it.. You've seen this thread from beginning to end.. Do you think "using my mind" is something I do very often :rofl:
:smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol:
I was thinking something close to that!!!!!!!!!!!!!! hahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaa
I haven't read this whole massive thread yet, so maybe this has already been mentioned, but:
I saw several people criticizing BK Auto about the exhaust tubing "roll bar", but that is actually one of the few things he did right. Exhaust tubing for the "roll bar" is correct for a General Lee replica, because that is what the real first unit General Lees used. For the first unit "closeup cars", the "roll bar" was just a prop, so 2" O.D. exhaust tubing was used to make them easily and on the cheap. The second unit "stunt cars" usually, if not always, got real functional roll bars.
Maybe it was just a coincidence that he got this part right (by virtue of having the same "easy and cheap" goals in mind as Warner Brothers did, rather than intentionally making it "series correct"), but regardless of that, he did get it right. The real first unit General Lees' fake roll bars weren't always well-attached either; there are several scenes on the show where one of the actors bumps into it with his arm and you can see it rock back about a foot.
I'm thinking about trying to make it up there too. I have family in Westfeild that im due to stop in and see
Quote from: MaximRecoil on March 29, 2011, 04:01:07 PM
I haven't read this whole massive thread yet, so maybe this has already been mentioned, but:
I saw several people criticizing BK Auto about the exhaust tubing "roll bar", but that is actually one of the few things he did right. Exhaust tubing for the "roll bar" is correct for a General Lee replica, because that is what the real first unit General Lees used. For the first unit "closeup cars", the "roll bar" was just a prop, so 2" O.D. exhaust tubing was used to make them easily and on the cheap. The second unit "stunt cars" usually, if not always, got real functional roll bars.
Maybe it was just a coincidence that he got this part right (by virtue of having the same "easy and cheap" goals in mind as Warner Brothers did, rather than intentionally making it "series correct"), but regardless of that, he did get it right. The real first unit General Lees' fake roll bars weren't always well-attached either; there are several scenes on the show where one of the actors bumps into it with his arm and you can see it rock back about a foot.
What the thread is about is not about the Roll Bar, it's about how the whole car itself was built by them (BK) and sold to a person when the car was in real bad shape from the get go and these guys didn't care. They just slap alot of bondo on the car along with fiberglass on the frame rails to patch them up! They stuck a hemi in and had it tilted off to the side WHICH it shouldn't have been. That is just to name a few bad spots on this car from the start.. these spots SHOULD have been fix by BK the correct way when THEY was building the car for the other person before Jeff came along and got it from that person. The fenders was like swiss cheese after the guys blasted them. Poor Jeff went through alot over this car, and yet you bring up is roll bar tubing being correct :lol:. I highly recommend you read each page of this thread from the start to the end when you can to "see" how the car really was and why this thread is here for. :lol:
I stopped reading the posts at page 14.. after that i just looked at the pictures... :lol:
What ever happened to the guy JB bought it from, did he ever show his face again?. JB didn't buy it from BK, he bought it from a site member, then too late realized it wasn't quite as presented.. :rotz:
I've been rereading the thread when JB actually bought the car,.. but I'm unclear on when it was discovered the "Can'o worms" was actually "crafted" and quite meticulously, (in bondo Fiberglas and lug nuts) by BK. What I read was the car was built for the owner now departed,.. by a shop in Texas,.. and the entire purpose of that thread from the get was to steer JB away from BK because he was looking to buy a GL from there... :shruggy:
Quote from: MoparManJim on March 29, 2011, 04:21:17 PM
What the thread is about is not about the Roll Bar, it's about how the whole car itself was built by them (BK) and sold to a person when the car was in real bad shape from the get go and these guys didn't care.
I know what the thread is about. I have already ready forty some-odd pages. Nothing I posted indicates that I don't know what the thread is about.
QuoteThey just slap alot of bondo on the car along with fiberglass on the frame rails to patch them up! They stuck a hemi in and had it tilted off to the side WHICH it shouldn't have been. That is just to name a few bad spots on this car from the start.. these spots SHOULD have been fix by BK the correct way when THEY was building the car for the other person before Jeff came along and got it from that person. The fenders was like swiss cheese after the guys blasted them. Poor Jeff went through alot over this car, and yet you bring up is roll bar tubing being correct :lol:. I highly recommend you read each page of this thread from the start to the end when you can to "see" how the car really was and why this thread is here for. :lol:
See above. I am well aware of all of that. What gave you the impression that I wasn't? Please quote the specific text of mine that suggested to you that I don't know what the thread is about. This isn't the first time you have misunderstood or otherwise invented your own meaning for something I have posted (in plain English), assuming you are M0ParManJimF from CGLFC.
Quote from: MaximRecoil on March 29, 2011, 04:37:09 PM
Quote from: MoparManJim on March 29, 2011, 04:21:17 PM
What the thread is about is not about the Roll Bar, it's about how the whole car itself was built by them (BK) and sold to a person when the car was in real bad shape from the get go and these guys didn't care.
I know what the thread is about. I have already ready forty some-odd pages. Nothing I posted indicates that I don't know what the thread is about.
QuoteThey just slap alot of bondo on the car along with fiberglass on the frame rails to patch them up! They stuck a hemi in and had it tilted off to the side WHICH it shouldn't have been. That is just to name a few bad spots on this car from the start.. these spots SHOULD have been fix by BK the correct way when THEY was building the car for the other person before Jeff came along and got it from that person. The fenders was like swiss cheese after the guys blasted them. Poor Jeff went through alot over this car, and yet you bring up is roll bar tubing being correct :lol:. I highly recommend you read each page of this thread from the start to the end when you can to "see" how the car really was and why this thread is here for. :lol:
See above. I am well aware of all of that. What gave you the impression that I wasn't? Please quote the specific text of mine that suggested to you that I don't know what the thread is about. This isn't the first time you have misunderstood or otherwise invented your own meaning for something I have posted (in plain English), assuming you are M0ParManJimF from CGLFC.
You are aware of all of that? Yet I "think" the fenders part came in around the 50 page mark and you said you only read 40 some pages so far (you might have ran into the start of the fenders issue, I don't know). You posted about roll bars being series correct, but this thread is about a real car being built really well to be really driven with real stuff in it and both guys that bought the car really got shafted (why this thread is here for). Jeff took the charger in to have the roll bar "replace" and that was when they found out about the floor area's and that was how this thread got started but you know that though. Me invent something? I been with this thread from the very beggining and before the start of it as well and also know both partys in volve and also the guys that did the good work on the charger for Jeff. The company (BK) that did the work before didn't know it seems to much about car restro hench why this thread is here for (I'm sure you will come back with facts on this and that :lol:). Just like over on the CGLFC where other members also said stuff and you came back at them as well about their replying to your reply's when they would reply trying to talk with you at times and it seem to me that when someone says something to you that you don't like to hear you come back at them (just like in this thread at me). Also BK mention to Jeff long time ago or I should say maybe I am inventing here the reason why they didn't add the padding to the roll bar was because they said the doom light got to hot and would catch the padding on fire, On the DOH series there doom light didn't even work or was used, maybe BK for got about that and should have snip the wires and cap the wires off so the doom light was not functional anymore, that would have made more senes and would have been series correct.. The series did that also on the cars too pressly the stunt cars if things wasn't needed. And yes, I am the same member from on the CGLFC :lol:
PS; I am editing this reply as I just notice the thread was clean up and messages deleted and the thread it seems was short down on page numbers from where it was at before. I knew it was a might big thread.
Quote from: MoparManJim on March 29, 2011, 05:29:12 PM
You are aware of all of that? Yet I "think" the fenders part came in around 150 page mark and you said you only read 40 some pages so far.
The fenders were already known to be bad quite a few pages back from where I am. Bad patchwork and excessive Bondo in the fenders were mentioned and pictured on page 41 (http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,50620.1000.html) for example.
QuoteYou posted about roll bars being series correct, but this thread is about a real car being built really well to be really driven with real stuff in it and both guys that bought the car really got shafted (why this thread is here for).
1. No kidding?
2. What of it?
I wasn't commenting on the thread in general; I was commenting on something specific. I said:
"I haven't read this whole massive thread yet, so maybe this has already been mentioned, but:
I saw several people criticizing BK Auto about the exhaust tubing "roll bar", but that is actually one of the few things he did right. Exhaust tubing for the "roll bar" is correct for a General Lee replica, because that is what the real first unit General Lees used. For the first unit "closeup cars", the "roll bar" was just a prop, so 2" O.D. exhaust tubing was used to make them easily and on the cheap. The second unit "stunt cars" usually, if not always, got real functional roll bars.
Maybe it was just a coincidence that he got this part right (by virtue of having the same "easy and cheap" goals in mind as Warner Brothers did, rather than intentionally making it "series correct"), but regardless of that, he did get it right. The real first unit General Lees' fake roll bars weren't always well-attached either; there are several scenes on the show where one of the actors bumps into it with his arm and you can see it rock back about a foot."Note the sentence that I bolded. That is where I pointed out what I was commenting on specifically.
QuoteJeff took the charger in to have the roll bar "replace" and that was when they found out about the floor area's and that was how this thread got started but you know that though. Me invent something?
Yes. In this case, you invented the idea that I didn't know what the thread is about. You also invented the idea that I was making some sort of commentary about what I believed was the gist of the thread; when in fact I was simply commenting on something specific within the thread; something specific that I pointed out in plain English no less.
QuoteI been with this thread from the very beggining and before the start of it as well and also know both partys in volve and also the guys that did the good work on the charger for Jeff. The company (BK) that did the work before didn't know it seems to much about car restro hench why this thread is here for (I'm sure you will come back with facts on this and that). Just like over on the CGLFC where other members also said stuff and you came back at them as well about their replying to your reply's when they would reply trying to talk with you at times. It seems to me that when someone says something to you that you don't like to hear you come back at them (just like in this thread at me). Also BK mention to Jeff long time ago or I should say maybe I am inventing here the reason why they didn't add the padding to the roll bar was because they said the doom light got to hot and would catch the padding on fire, On the DOH series there doom light didn't even work or was used, maybe BK for got about that and should have snip the wires and cap the wires off so the doom light was not functional anymore, that would have made more senes and would have been series correct.. The series did that also on the cars too if things wasn't needed. And yes, I am the same member from on the CGLFC :lol:
None of this has anything to do with anything. By the way, are you under the impression that I'm defending BK Auto?
Quote from: MaximRecoil on March 29, 2011, 05:51:24 PM
Quote from: MoparManJim on March 29, 2011, 05:29:12 PM
You are aware of all of that? Yet I "think" the fenders part came in around 150 page mark and you said you only read 40 some pages so far.
The fenders were already known to be bad quite a few pages back from where I am. Bad patchwork and excessive Bondo in the fenders were mentioned and pictured on page 41 (http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,50620.1000.html) for example.
Now you see, I was not talking really about them "mentioning" I was talking about how BK did there job on the fenders when they shouldn't have and also. You see I'm talking about the thread as it happen in the thread, not outside it or mentioning of it at all but from when the stuff was originally posted. You yourself that likes to go with facts should have known that. I wasn't there at all I'm just going off of what was posted back when this thread originally ran it's course. All they did was justclean the thread and short the page numbers down. That is what threw me off in the page numbers and where stuff was at originally. This thread before around last or late summer was at 200 pages then.
QuoteYou posted about roll bars being series correct, but this thread is about a real car being built really well to be really driven with real stuff in it and both guys that bought the car really got shafted (why this thread is here for).
1. No kidding?
2. What of it?
I wasn't commenting on the thread in general; I was commenting on something specific. I said:
"I haven't read this whole massive thread yet, so maybe this has already been mentioned, but:
I saw several people criticizing BK Auto about the exhaust tubing "roll bar", but that is actually one of the few things he did right. Exhaust tubing for the "roll bar" is correct for a General Lee replica, because that is what the real first unit General Lees used. For the first unit "closeup cars", the "roll bar" was just a prop, so 2" O.D. exhaust tubing was used to make them easily and on the cheap. The second unit "stunt cars" usually, if not always, got real functional roll bars.
Maybe it was just a coincidence that he got this part right (by virtue of having the same "easy and cheap" goals in mind as Warner Brothers did, rather than intentionally making it "series correct"), but regardless of that, he did get it right. The real first unit General Lees' fake roll bars weren't always well-attached either; there are several scenes on the show where one of the actors bumps into it with his arm and you can see it rock back about a foot."Does the bolding help?
QuoteJeff took the charger in to have the roll bar "replace" and that was when they found out about the floor area's and that was how this thread got started but you know that though. Me invent something?
Well you see, I was commenting on the thread it self, not outside it. Also sense you know so much about the cars on the show, did they ever use fiberglass on the frame rails to make repairs? I'm not trying to be a smart arse here or anything.. but sense you come on here and start in a well know thread with facts about what the real cars had, I thought maybe you might know. I know on the show they did alot of tricks to repair cars in a short time frame and I was cerious if that was one of the ways. I know what you said before, and you are correct about the series and what they used, but this thread is not about a roll bar though, it's about a whole car. I even seen those same people that you mention talk about BK and the roll bar issue. It's these people that is not General Lee fans though and to me and you they probably will not understand the stuff at all where as me and you do understand alot of about the series and what was and wasn't used and what is correct. Now don't take this the wrong way here man, but your on a charger forum not a General Lee forum :lol: even though the two are for chargers, I don't know how long you been a lurker or what but this place is not at all like the other forum we're both on also. This place has some folks here who doesn't like the General Lee or the show at all so they will trash talk the show and even the car and the people that likes to talk about the facts about the car. I been on here for well afew years now myself and seen at times how things can go hay wired with members and it's nothing like the other forum at all. When people come here and start replying when they are new members in threads like this. Older members (like myself) that knows what happen in the thread will at times schime in and help the person out and explain to them about the thread. What you stated about the roll bar is true, but what I don't think you relaized is this thread is over 2 years old (I think) heck I didn't relaize it either myself until just alittle while ago!
QuoteYes. In this case, you invented the idea that I didn't know what the thread is about. You also invented the idea that I was making some sort of commentary about what I believed was the gist of the thread; when in fact I was simply commenting on something specific within the thread; something specific that I pointed out in plain English no less.
Okay, I'll admit, when you first started posting here, at first the way you talked in your reply you was not that far into the build and was only commenting on the parts you had red so far. We had other members do the same thing like you did, before and also try to point things out. The thread isn't about the series or what they used on it, the thread here is about a man's car he had rebuilt after he bought it off another forum member. You pointing out that BK did one thing correct by the roll bar when other's was trashing the tubing that was used, But was clear as english that the roll bar was being replace anyways with a real one and I pointed that out also as clear as day. You see we're both talking about roll bars but we're on two different pages, your talking bout the series ones and I'm talking about the on in the car.
QuoteI been with this thread from the very beggining and before the start of it as well and also know both partys in volve and also the guys that did the good work on the charger for Jeff. The company (BK) that did the work before didn't know it seems to much about car restro hench why this thread is here for (I'm sure you will come back with facts on this and that). Just like over on the CGLFC where other members also said stuff and you came back at them as well about their replying to your reply's when they would reply trying to talk with you at times. It seems to me that when someone says something to you that you don't like to hear you come back at them (just like in this thread at me). Also BK mention to Jeff long time ago or I should say maybe I am inventing here the reason why they didn't add the padding to the roll bar was because they said the doom light got to hot and would catch the padding on fire, On the DOH series there doom light didn't even work or was used, maybe BK for got about that and should have snip the wires and cap the wires off so the doom light was not functional anymore, that would have made more senes and would have been series correct.. The series did that also on the cars too if things wasn't needed. And yes, I am the same member from on the CGLFC :lol:
None of this has anything to do with anything. By the way, are you under the impression that I'm defending BK Auto?
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The heck it doesn't. It has to do with the thread about the car that you made the comment about it's old roll bar being one thing correct that the other place done correct to the whole car. If it wasn't for this thread we wouldn't be here right now having the discussion we are having right now. So it all does have something to do with it. But sense you just said this has nothing to do with anything. Let me point out some facts here for you. Jeff was looking for a charger back in 2008 (I think it was 2008, might have been 2009). He posted on this site looking for a charger.. we had a member (I know both parts part came into play at above) from over on the CGLFC forum wanting to sell his GL, so afew of us on here that are also members over there pointed him (including myself) to that member (before this tread started). Jeff then became a member over there as well. Jeff got the car from that person which that person got the car from you guess it BK. After Jeff got the car home and didn't like how things was set up he took the car to the shop to have the "roll bar" redone and that was when they found out how bad the car really was. Then Jeff came here and started this thread about the car he got and the rebuild of it all that was starting to take place on his car and to warn others about the place down south sense they was the ones that built the car into a General Lee, the same place you said did one thing correct with and that was with the roll bar. Yet you say none of this has anything to do with anything.. man are you off your mark as I just explained it all to you on how each part is connected. So it does have something to do with it all. Now I'll answer your question, no I'm not under the impression that you are defending or trying to defend BK. You just pointed out a very very small item that they done correct that was being replace was all.
QuoteOkay, I'll admit, when you first started posting here, at first the way you talked in your reply you was not that far into the build and was only commenting on the parts you had red so far. We had other members do the same thing like you did, before and also try to point things out. The thread isn't about the series or what they used on it, the thread here is about a man's car he had rebuilt after he bought it off another forum member. You pointing out that BK did one thing correct by the roll bar when other's was trashing the tubing that was used, But was clear as english that the roll bar was being replace anyways with a real one and I pointed that out also as clear as day. You see we're both talking about roll bars but we're on two different pages, your talking bout the series ones and I'm talking about the on in the car.
I pointed out a simple fact in my original post; i.e., that the exhaust tubing roll bar was "series correct" for a first unit General Lee. Everything you have posted in response to that fact has been from way out in left field; i.e., you made some baseless assumptions which were 100% false, and then proceded to tell me things about the thread that I already knew.
QuoteThe heck it doesn't.
It doesn't. The only thing relevant to my original post is whether or not the exhaust tubing roll bar was "series correct" for a first unit General Lee. If you disagree that the exhaust tubing roll bar was "series correct" for a first unit General Lee, then you have something relevant to my post to discuss. Otherwise, baseless/false assumptions and unsolicited thread summaries which I don't need, are not in any way relevant.
Quote from: MaximRecoil on March 29, 2011, 05:51:24 PM
Quote from: MoparManJim on March 29, 2011, 05:29:12 PM
You are aware of all of that? Yet I "think" the fenders part came in around 150 page mark and you said you only read 40 some pages so far.
The fenders were already known to be bad quite a few pages back from where I am. Bad patchwork and excessive Bondo in the fenders were mentioned and pictured on page 41 (http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,50620.1000.html) for example.
QuoteYou posted about roll bars being series correct, but this thread is about a real car being built really well to be really driven with real stuff in it and both guys that bought the car really got shafted (why this thread is here for).
1. No kidding?
2. What of it?
I wasn't commenting on the thread in general; I was commenting on something specific. I said:
"I haven't read this whole massive thread yet, so maybe this has already been mentioned, but:
I saw several people criticizing BK Auto about the exhaust tubing "roll bar", but that is actually one of the few things he did right. Exhaust tubing for the "roll bar" is correct for a General Lee replica, because that is what the real first unit General Lees used. For the first unit "closeup cars", the "roll bar" was just a prop, so 2" O.D. exhaust tubing was used to make them easily and on the cheap. The second unit "stunt cars" usually, if not always, got real functional roll bars.
Maybe it was just a coincidence that he got this part right (by virtue of having the same "easy and cheap" goals in mind as Warner Brothers did, rather than intentionally making it "series correct"), but regardless of that, he did get it right. The real first unit General Lees' fake roll bars weren't always well-attached either; there are several scenes on the show where one of the actors bumps into it with his arm and you can see it rock back about a foot."
Note the sentence that I bolded. That is where I pointed out what I was commenting on specifically.
QuoteJeff took the charger in to have the roll bar "replace" and that was when they found out about the floor area's and that was how this thread got started but you know that though. Me invent something?
Yes. In this case, you invented the idea that I didn't know what the thread is about. You also invented the idea that I was making some sort of commentary about what I believed was the gist of the thread; when in fact I was simply commenting on something specific within the thread; something specific that I pointed out in plain English no less.
QuoteI been with this thread from the very beggining and before the start of it as well and also know both partys in volve and also the guys that did the good work on the charger for Jeff. The company (BK) that did the work before didn't know it seems to much about car restro hench why this thread is here for (I'm sure you will come back with facts on this and that). Just like over on the CGLFC where other members also said stuff and you came back at them as well about their replying to your reply's when they would reply trying to talk with you at times. It seems to me that when someone says something to you that you don't like to hear you come back at them (just like in this thread at me). Also BK mention to Jeff long time ago or I should say maybe I am inventing here the reason why they didn't add the padding to the roll bar was because they said the doom light got to hot and would catch the padding on fire, On the DOH series there doom light didn't even work or was used, maybe BK for got about that and should have snip the wires and cap the wires off so the doom light was not functional anymore, that would have made more senes and would have been series correct.. The series did that also on the cars too if things wasn't needed. And yes, I am the same member from on the CGLFC :lol:
None of this has anything to do with anything. By the way, are you under the impression that I'm defending BK Auto?
I think you and MoparmanJim should PM each other and not becker on this thread......
Quote from: Brock Samson on March 29, 2011, 04:23:03 PM
I stopped reading the posts at page 14.. after that i just looked at the pictures... :lol:
What ever happened to the guy JB bought it from, did he ever show his face again?. JB didn't buy it from BK, he bought it from a site member, then too late realized it wasn't quite as presented.. :rotz:
I've been rereading the thread when JB actually bought the car,.. but I'm unclear on when it was discovered the "Can'o worms" was actually "crafted" and quite meticulously, (in bondo Fiberglas and lug nuts) by BK. What I read was the car was built for the owner now departed,.. by a shop in Texas,.. and the entire purpose of that thread from the get was to steer JB away from BK because he was looking to buy a GL from there... :shruggy:
It was discovered it was a "can'o worms" from page one. It's the reason I started this thread in the first place.. If you look at the string of pics on page 1 it's where it all began... I brought it in for frame connectors and a small cage, and it never left the shop..
As for the car... The owner IS now departed, but was a member here.. He's not dead, he just ran for the hills... The purpose of "that thread"?? I never planned to buy a car from BK.. In fact, before this car I had never heard of "BK Auto".. The only scammer I knew at the time was Hans.
Comic irony: Irony that is humorous (whereas much irony is not)
Dramatic irony: When the audience (or reader) knows a fictional character is making a mistake, because the reader has more information than the character.
Tragic irony: A type of dramatic irony. In tragic irony, a character's actions lead to consequences that are both tragic, and contrary to the character's desire and intentions.
Historical irony: A kind of situational irony that takes a long period of years for the irony to become evident.
Socratic irony: When a person asks questions, pretending not to understand, to lure the interlocutor into a logical trap. (Socrates, in Plato's dialogues, was a master of this technique.)
First I get the Irony of the correct exhaust tubes being used to duplicate a series one General Lee. quite possibly by accident. Jim seems to have had that pass well over his head and seems unable to let go of something that transpired elsewhere and should PLEASE be left there... in other words, do not respond further Jim. :RantExplode:
Second: i'm talking about the other thread JB, where we all tried to warn you not to purchase from Hans aka BK and company,.. I can't find the Part or thread where you discovered where Your Charger was actually slapped together there...
How did you discover that?...
Maybe i should'a read all 200 pages?.. :smilielol:
Quote from: Brock Samson on March 29, 2011, 07:25:18 PM
Comic irony: Irony that is humorous (whereas much irony is not)
Dramatic irony: When the audience (or reader) knows a fictional character is making a mistake, because the reader has more information than the character.
Tragic irony: A type of dramatic irony. In tragic irony, a character's actions lead to consequences that are both tragic, and contrary to the character's desire and intentions.
Historical irony: A kind of situational irony that takes a long period of years for the irony to become evident.
Socratic irony: When a person asks questions, pretending not to understand, to lure the interlocutor into a logical trap. (Socrates, in Plato's dialogues, was a master of this technique.)
First I get the Irony of the correct exhaust tubes being used to duplicate a series one General Lee. quite possibly by accident. Jim seems to have had that pass well over his head and seems unable to let go of something that transpired elsewhere and should PLEASE be left there... in other words, do not respond further Jim. :RantExplode:
Second: i'm talking about the other thread JB, where we all tried to warn you not to purchase from Hans aka BK and company,.. I can't find the Part or thread where you discovered where Your Charger was actually slapped together there...
How did you discover that?...
Maybe i should'a read all 200 pages?.. :smilielol:
Nah, no need to read all 200...
I know about the other thread where the warnings were flying around like crazy about Hans... As for BK, if you can find that, I'd like to see it, because the warnings weren't there about him. Until the purchase of this car, BK didn't exist to me...
I discovered mine was "built" (or molded out of Bondo?) at BK the day I called Brian about it. He told me who bought it.
The beginning is actually quite different then you think. I was brought here and told by MANY forum members that "this car was built right", because BK knew how to take the right pictures.. To the world, this thing appeared to be done right... The thread where Brian was selling the car was very detailed and made the car look mint.
You forgot what seems to apply here..
Verbal Irony
Verbal irony is the use of words to convey something other than, and especially the opposite of the literal meaning of the words, to emphasize, aggrandize, or make light or a circumstance or subject. A common example of this use of verbal irony is the scenario of a man staring out a window looking at a miserably muddy rainy day and remarking, "lovely day for a stroll." This remark is ironic because it expresses the opposite of the circumstances.
ok, well, whatever man,.. BTW: i found the perfect addition to finish off your ride!.. :yesnod:
http://kalecoauto.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1&products_id=1
Quote from: Brock Samson on March 29, 2011, 07:36:13 PM
ok, well, whatever man,.. BTW: i found the perfect addition to finish off your ride!.. :yesnod:
http://kalecoauto.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1&products_id=1
That's beautiful, thanks! I'll buy a set for both of us.. Then we'll hit the track! :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
Quote from: Brock Samson on March 29, 2011, 07:25:18 PM
Comic irony: Irony that is humorous (whereas much irony is not)
Dramatic irony: When the audience (or reader) knows a fictional character is making a mistake, because the reader has more information than the character.
Tragic irony: A type of dramatic irony. In tragic irony, a character's actions lead to consequences that are both tragic, and contrary to the character's desire and intentions.
Historical irony: A kind of situational irony that takes a long period of years for the irony to become evident.
Socratic irony: When a person asks questions, pretending not to understand, to lure the interlocutor into a logical trap. (Socrates, in Plato's dialogues, was a master of this technique.)
First I get the Irony of the correct exhaust tubes being used to duplicate a series one General Lee. quite possibly by accident. Jim seems to have had that pass well over his head and seems unable to let go of something that transpired elsewhere and should PLEASE be left there... in other words, do not respond further Jim. :RantExplode:
Second: i'm talking about the other thread JB, where we all tried to warn you not to purchase from Hans aka BK and company,.. I can't find the Part or thread where you discovered where Your Charger was actually slapped together there...
How did you discover that?...
Maybe i should'a read all 200 pages?.. :smilielol:
:shruggy: :lol:
Quote from: jb666 on March 29, 2011, 07:37:31 PM
Quote from: Brock Samson on March 29, 2011, 07:36:13 PM
ok, well, whatever man,.. BTW: i found the perfect addition to finish off your ride!.. :yesnod:
http://kalecoauto.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1&products_id=1
That's beautiful, thanks! I'll buy a set for both of us.. Then we'll hit the track! :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
Kewl! can i git mine in red to match my painted front brake discs?.. :icon_smile_tongue:
Quote from: Brock Samson on March 29, 2011, 07:48:47 PM
Quote from: jb666 on March 29, 2011, 07:37:31 PM
Quote from: Brock Samson on March 29, 2011, 07:36:13 PM
ok, well, whatever man,.. BTW: i found the perfect addition to finish off your ride!.. :yesnod:
http://kalecoauto.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1&products_id=1
That's beautiful, thanks! I'll buy a set for both of us.. Then we'll hit the track! :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
Kewl! can i git mine in red to match my painted front brake discs?.. :icon_smile_tongue:
Anything you want buddy.. It's on me!! :cheers:
Personally I don't think Maxim is in the wrong for stating the roll cage and I don't think there are any grounds to argue it. He simply stated that it's one of the things BK did right, whether it be coincidence or not. The fact the Maxim even implied that it was possibly by coincidence shows that he is quite aware what this thread is about. He's stating a fact, not an opinion, which I think was taken personally.
I personally find this thread quite fascinating as I believe my car went down a similar path to the car in this thread, although not quite as severe.....
Okay, I've made it through most of the thread, and I have a question for jb666. Earlier in the thread, before the car was painted, you said you weren't going with a show quality paint job because it will be a General Lee and not a show car. Is the paint job you ended up with an example of your shop's average paint job, or did you change your mind and decide to go all out on the paint? If that's an example of their average paint job then damn, what does their high end paint job look like? The paint job on your car looks amazing, like you could fall into it, or use it as a shaving mirror.
If it were me, I would use wheels & tires like the Warner Brothers General Lees had, but that's a matter of personal preference. The quality that went into your car, especially considering the mess they had to start with, is incredible. The world would be a better place if every shop was like your shops.
Aside from the amazing paint and bodywork, a couple things that I really like about your car are the real/functional 6 point rollcage, and the "quick detach" system for your push bumper (I especially like how your guy not only made it quick detach, but reinforced it at the same time to eliminate side-to-side flex).
Whoever did your grill could have taught "all the king's horses and all the king's men" a thing or two about putting things back together again. Incredible.
I like the lack of vinyl top trim and the lack of wheel well lip trim on your car. Most Warner Brothers General Lees had the vinyl top trim (which I've never cared for because that trim is only on cars with vinyl tops from the factory, and looks odd on a non-vinyl top car) and quite a few of them also had the wheel well trim, but there were some that didn't have either, like this one:
(http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/4999/s02e112.jpg)
And that's always been the look I prefer. I find it cleaner looking, with nothing to break up the smooth flow in the transition from quarter panel to C-pillar.
and notice no marker or reflector lens in the quarter panel either.
Quote from: resq302 on March 31, 2011, 03:04:14 PM
and notice no marker or reflector lens in the quarter panel either.
No reverse lights in the rear valance either. That's because the side markers and reverse lights were different for '68s and '69s, and since nearly half of the Warner Brothers General Lees were actually '68s dressed up as '69s, they started making it a policy to delete the side markers and (in the case of '69s) reverse lights to maintain continuity; i.e., so that every car looked the same regardless of whether they started with a '68 or '69. In the earlier shows, you would sometimes see General Lees with round '68 side markers and no reverse lights in the rear valance, whereas others would have rectangular side markers and reverse lights in the rear valance.
I actually like the overall clean look of that. Side marker lights are the result of regulations that went into effect in 1968 (Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standard #108), pre-'68 vehicles didn't require them. Cars look better without them in my opinion, which isn't surprising considering they were the brainchild of bureaucrats rather than car designers.
Well, I'm set up (after a 12 hour day yesterday) at World Of Wheels and ready to have a nice long weekend!!!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/photo1-20.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/photo3-25.jpg)
And yes, the Stanchions got taped down.. Nervous about someone leaning into them knocking them into the car(s).
There are some AWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWESOME Mopars in this show. I'll take plenty of pictures.
:2thumbs: Enjoy showing her off and have a great time this weekend! Looking forward to the pics.
See ya Sunday Jeff!
:cheers:
So far it's been very busy!!! Great show!!!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/68527083.jpg)
I pity the fool!!!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/photo4-19.jpg)
Met Lil daddy roth... What an amazing guy...
But all and all an awesome turnout!!!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/photo2-42.jpg)
Huge Wins this weekend. All of the hard work was suddenly worth it. 50 hours on our feet... Tons of people.
Best in class and Best overall street!!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/2c11ca77.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/33163634.jpg)
Best of all??? Lil daddy Roth baby!!!! This guy rules!!!!!!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/217dd902.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/4fd867b7.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/a30e63e8.jpg)
Way to go Jeff!
Superbowl of car shows...can't get any better than that.
:cheers:
:coolgleamA: great stuff Jeff :2thumbs: :yesnod: :2thumbs:
Well deserved Jeff! That my friend, is the light that was at the end of the tunnel! Just curious since you seemed to clean house..... did they have any higher awards than what you got or did you top em all?
Yes, There were several "big" awards with $$ at the end that the really crazy cars got. I was happy!!!
Nice job Jeff it looked great! that means you stood out in a show with nationwide talent. some of those cars were unbelivable show cars from all over USA ,pushed into trailers and waxed, never to see the road. YOU drive home, NUFF SAID!! :cheers:
Way to go Jeff! that's awesome. :2thumbs:
Thank you guys!!
:2thumbs:
Congrats on the win.
Way to go Jeff, bud! I'm just now getting back at a certain project, well afew since my hand if feeling alittle better and not as sore that it was last week after what had happen to it (none model building related). I'm glad to see you did well at the show. :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :coolgleamA:
Congrats Jeff. All the hard times and work paid off. :2thumbs:
Excellent :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
Well done :cheers:
Rob
Thanks guys! It's been surreal. I took a cruise yesterday, with the wife.. It's amazing how this car drives now... One word, from start to finish... Perfect. :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
Congrats !!!
I am glad the car is perfect & worth the work to get it completed !!
Neill
Congratulations :2thumbs: LEON.
:cheers: Congradulations!!! :2thumbs:
Epic saga with a hollywood ending. Congratulations.
Anyone who says a car cannot be brought back to life should read this testament to mans will and determination to achieve a dream.
:cheers: :notworthy:
Guys.. thank you for all the compliments.. We capped off this entire event with a nice wall mural... I'm VERY pleased with the way it turned out!!
The beginning (two weeks ago)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/photo-49.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/photo3-28.jpg)
the end:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/photo4-21.jpg)
And home sweet home.. With the wife's newly supercharged Stang next to my baby..
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/photo5-13.jpg)
:cheers: :cheers:
Awesome mural!! :2thumbs: It would be sweet on a t-shirt too. You could have one made from a hi-res pic. I'll take an X-Large, please. ;)
I was seriously considering it as a tattoo, but I really like the T-Shirt idea!! I might just do it!!
They already have a shirt but without rat fink....check it out...I like yours
http://www.cafepress.com/+general_lee_charger_dark_tshirt,423765943 (http://www.cafepress.com/+general_lee_charger_dark_tshirt,423765943)
Yep... It's where we ot the initial image (my shirt). But this exact image is no where...
And... Check out the original... 4 pipes on one side... Three on the other. :lol:
Jeff,
I think chucks going to have to make a visit to NY when my car is done!
Quote from: FLG on May 02, 2011, 12:00:01 AM
Jeff,
I think chucks going to have to make a visit to NY when my car is done!
:lol: You have a better chance of seeing The Pope in your living room :lol:
Quote from: jb666 on May 03, 2011, 09:33:48 PM
Quote from: FLG on May 02, 2011, 12:00:01 AM
Jeff,
I think chucks going to have to make a visit to NY when my car is done!
:lol: You have a better chance of seeing The Pope in your living room :lol:
Dude the Pope is coming to your living room? wow...post a picture... :smilielol:
I just got alerted of a web feature and wanted to share it.. I love this write up!!!
http://www.thetwistedunderground.com/thread-3926.html
:2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
:2thumbs: :cheers: :yesnod:
Bringing this one up for some air... Have been having an AWESOME cruising season, so far... I just got an invite to "star" at one of the local 'nationals' , which I'm REALLY pleased with, because one of the original Dukes cast members will be there....
But, we've been hitting a lot of shows.. This one was my favorite show of the year.. A mile of the boardwalk shut down and invaded by 1000+ cars.. Great friends and PERFECT weather.. Definitely a day to remember.
From the crane..Here you can see my SuperDuty (daughter brought it), wife's Mustang and my car:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/258981_192994760749202_128949983820347_493685_7584679_oMedium.jpg)
The gang's all here!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/256007_192994790749199_128949983820347_493686_3955410_oMedium.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/257495_192994830749195_128949983820347_493687_4848414_oMedium.jpg)
And I love this shot, with the carousel behind the car adding to the nostalgia.. It's been there forever...
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/253404_217536241613451_191774784189597_698915_3087857_n-1.jpg)
Anyhow.. I like to breath some life into this thread every once in a while :cheers:
I'm glad you did!
Still don't get tired of looking at your car Jeff!
Is that show at the carousel in Riverside, RI?
Just did alot of reading... :o Persistence paid off... I love it :notworthy: :drool5: :drool5: :cheers:
Quote from: Bluestar on June 28, 2011, 10:42:48 AM
Is that show at the carousel in Riverside, RI?
No, it's at Nantasket Beach in Hull Mass. Home of Paragon Park.
Quote from: 69 Bama R/T on June 29, 2011, 07:32:37 PM
Just did alot of reading... :o Persistence paid off... I love it :notworthy: :drool5: :drool5: :cheers:
Thank you!
Quote from: Darkman on June 27, 2011, 08:58:47 PM
I'm glad you did!
Still don't get tired of looking at your car Jeff!
Very cool, thank you!
Personaly I would rather see a 68-70 Dodge Charger rust complety down to the earths crust before I'd even consider replicating a horrible icon of an American Social Cancer know to many as "the dukes of Hazzard". It has nothing to do with poltics just a feeling I had.
Quote from: barefootmat on November 17, 2011, 11:31:55 PM
Personaly I would rather see a 68-70 Dodge Charger rust complety down to the earths crust before I'd even consider replicating a horrible icon of an American Social Cancer know to many as "the dukes of Hazzard". It has nothing to do with poltics just a feeling I had.
Opinions are like an a$$hole, everybody has one. However sometimes it's better to keep your mouth shut. Really got nothing better to do than bring up this thread again with a comment like that? ::)
Quote from: barefootmat on November 17, 2011, 11:31:55 PM
Personaly I would rather see a 68-70 Dodge Charger rust complety down to the earths crust before I'd even consider replicating a horrible icon of an American Social Cancer know to many as "the dukes of Hazzard". It has nothing to do with poltics just a feeling I had.
::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
It's OK Cody. I think he's just a kid.
Ignore the troll, dont let this thread go to shit.
Quote from: XS29L9Bxxxxxx on November 17, 2011, 11:47:41 PM
Quote from: barefootmat on November 17, 2011, 11:31:55 PM
Personaly I would rather see a 68-70 Dodge Charger rust complety down to the earths crust before I'd even consider replicating a horrible icon of an American Social Cancer know to many as "the dukes of Hazzard". It has nothing to do with poltics just a feeling I had.
::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
WOW! Where the hell did that come from?
Again..IGNORE the troll.
Jeff, cars looking great bud!
Quote from: barefootmat on November 17, 2011, 11:31:55 PM
Personaly I would rather see a 68-70 Dodge Charger rust complety down to the earths crust before I'd even consider replicating a horrible icon of an American Social Cancer know to many as "the dukes of Hazzard". It has nothing to do with poltics just a feeling I had.
Yea, an you must own a rice burner car too. Because you shure as heck didn't use a brain cell to think your post out at all.. because if you had you would shure as heck know under that paint job is still yet a charger that can be made into anything. An also in case you wasn't using your brain, the so called "horrible icon of an American Social Cancer" is what saved alot of the chargers you see on here. Some of the members on here might like the show also but yet they didn't make there chargers into that as you call it "horrible icon of an American Social Cancer car" but yet went there own way with there chargers. Also you also slam a "charger" on a "charger site"... :slap:. :icon_smile_dissapprove:
Jim.
With all due respect...shut up, before this thread turns into a shit fest.
Quote from: FLG on November 18, 2011, 04:01:58 AM
Jim.
With all due respect...shut up, before this thread turns into a shit fest.
Hey, now that's rude man.. YOU should tell what you just said to me to the other person that said what they did. So with all due respect.. you look at the other person an NOT at me. 3 other people spoke an when I do you come at me. Tell the others also an not just me.
No worries guys. This thread is toooooo important and a moderator will delete any unnecessary post and spank the troublemaker.
:cheers:
Quote from: barefootmat on November 17, 2011, 11:31:55 PM
Personaly I would rather see a 68-70 Dodge Charger rust complety down to the earths crust before I'd even consider replicating a horrible icon of an American Social Cancer know to many as "the dukes of Hazzard". It has nothing to do with poltics just a feeling I had.
This is the punky import kid who joined because his buddy had a '70 that he 'might buy' and now probably broke-assed and pissed because buddy sold to somebody with an income.
Sour Grapes Mr. Brewster.
Hey JB GREAT story and continued updates on the thread! :cheers: :2thumbs: Finally had time to read from the beginning and thank my lucky stars that we found a car which was actually solid with minor "backyard mechanic work" as our starting point! :icon_smile_big: we're not transforming her into a GL, but a nice driver R/T "clone" (or what ever people call a nice 70' restored with badges & 440 from an original a slant 6 SE) :nana:
Hope to catch you at a show or on the road next year as we'll be cruising around Mass a little from CT. :coolgleamA:
keep the photo's coming!
p.s. - I'll take one of those T-shirts too, XL..... :rofl:
:cheers:
perhaps I missed the update, but is there any news on the BK auto legal situation?
Quote from: projectanimal on November 18, 2011, 09:25:00 AM
Hey JB GREAT story and continued updates on the thread! :cheers: :2thumbs: Finally had time to read from the beginning and thank my lucky stars that we found a car which was actually solid with minor "backyard mechanic work" as our starting point! :icon_smile_big: we're not transforming her into a GL, but a nice driver R/T "clone" (or what ever people call a nice 70' restored with badges & 440 from an original a slant 6 SE) :nana:
Hope to catch you at a show or on the road next year as we'll be cruising around Mass a little from CT. :coolgleamA:
keep the photo's coming!
p.s. - I'll take one of those T-shirts too, XL..... :rofl:
:cheers:
Had no idea this thread was back to life! Let me know when you're out and about and we'll be sure to hook up!!!
Quote from: Stretch on November 18, 2011, 09:49:10 AM
perhaps I missed the update, but is there any news on the BK auto legal situation?
Honestly? I don't know, and I don't care.. I'm so over "BK Auto" it's not even funny. They haven't rented space in my head since the car's been finished.. The situation was driving me to drink, and I didn't need that... I'll leave Karma to do the job...
Quote from: nvrbdn on November 18, 2011, 08:29:22 AM
Quote from: 69bronzeT5 on November 18, 2011, 01:40:53 AM
Quote from: FLG on November 18, 2011, 01:39:27 AM
Jeff, cars looking great bud!
:iagree:
X2 awesome :cheers:
Thanks, guys!! I know the GL isn't everyone's cup of Tea,and I FINALLY get that (yeah, I used to wonder why?!?!).. But it's my dream, and I'm livin' it... I have no regrets :2thumbs: I've had some incredible experiences because of this car. I've made some AMAZING friends because of this car. I would not trade this entire experience for anything, because some things have no price tag.
Quote from: projectanimal on November 18, 2011, 09:25:00 AM
Hey JB GREAT story and continued updates on the thread! :cheers: :2thumbs: Finally had time to read from the beginning and thank my lucky stars that we found a car which was actually solid with minor "backyard mechanic work" as our starting point! :icon_smile_big: we're not transforming her into a GL, but a nice driver R/T "clone" (or what ever people call a nice 70' restored with badges & 440 from an original a slant 6 SE) :nana:
Hope to catch you at a show or on the road next year as we'll be cruising around Mass a little from CT. :coolgleamA:
keep the photo's coming!
p.s. - I'll take one of those T-shirts too, XL..... :rofl:
:cheers:
I'd love to see the fender tag on that. If it's a Charger 500 SE, they only made 1 225-6!!!! :o
472 R/T - the car has no fender tag or any build sheets, but the VIN states it was made in Michigan and was a slant 6. I picked it up with a 383 block and a rebuilt 440 out of a dodge truck, so she rumbles nicely (or will once I finish the exhaust this weekend) :icon_smile_big:
Have learned a TON here and thank everyone for the input so far! :2thumbs:
JB - I'll let you know when we're on the road next Summer and we'll find some roads to cruise. Sublime will look great next to your Genreal!! :coolgleamA: :cheers:
QuoteI'll leave Karma to do the job...
:cheers: i agree. the car came out great . good luck with her :cheers:
Nice day to read 204 pages :chatting:
BK stands for Black Knight, I did learn that :scratchchin: And learned about how not to "restore" a Charger, and how to fix a pile of mess :2thumbs:
Quote from: XS29L9Bxxxxxx on December 26, 2011, 01:21:10 PM
Nice day to read 204 pages :chatting:
BK stands for Black Knight, I did learn that :scratchchin: And learned about how not to "restore" a Charger, and how to fix a pile of mess :2thumbs:
Me too... The hard way... :brickwall:
I thought Skip was on the case. What gives?
:shruggy:
Quote from: projectanimal on November 18, 2011, 10:45:56 PM
472 R/T - the car has no fender tag or any build sheets, but the VIN states it was made in Michigan and was a slant 6. I picked it up with a 383 block and a rebuilt 440 out of a dodge truck, so she rumbles nicely (or will once I finish the exhaust this weekend) :icon_smile_big:
Have learned a TON here and thank everyone for the input so far! :2thumbs:
JB - I'll let you know when we're on the road next Summer and we'll find some roads to cruise. Sublime will look great next to your Genreal!! :coolgleamA: :cheers:
You sure it is a 70 Charger? All 70 Chargers were built in the St. Louis assembly plant.
QuoteYou sure it is a 70 Charger? All 70 Chargers were built in the St. Louis assembly plant.
The Vin is -- XP29COC199645
Maybe I miss read the sheet, but I thought it said it was built in Michigan. I don't have a build sheet. But as far as I know it's a 70'. :cheers:
Quote from: projectanimal on December 27, 2011, 08:45:46 PM
QuoteYou sure it is a 70 Charger? All 70 Chargers were built in the St. Louis assembly plant.
The Vin is -- XP29COC199645
Maybe I miss read the sheet, but I thought it said it was built in Michigan. I don't have a build sheet. But as far as I know it's a 70'. :cheers:
the C is really a G stamping of those G's at the st louis plant are not alway crisp and do degrade .
Quote from: projectanimal on December 27, 2011, 08:45:46 PM
QuoteYou sure it is a 70 Charger? All 70 Chargers were built in the St. Louis assembly plant.
The Vin is -- XP29COC199645
Maybe I miss read the sheet, but I thought it said it was built in Michigan. I don't have a build sheet. But as far as I know it's a 70'. :cheers:
XP29COG199645
If that is the VIN that is a rare car. They only made 28 slant 6 70 Charger 500s.....and only 1 had the SE option.
Even w/o the broadcast sheet there's lots of ways to determine if it was an A47 (SE) car.
Hey 666
What's the latest on your ride?
This year where heading in your direction for some shows
Quote from: autodynamics on December 28, 2011, 11:37:06 PM
Hey 666
What's the latest on your ride?
This year where heading in your direction for some shows
Excellent!! What's on your agenda?? My interior is out now.. A few changes are planned... Aside from that, I'm ready...
Thinking World Of Wheels again and anything else that's outside after April we will be at!!!!!!!!!!!!
Nice where world of wheels at ?
We are going to come down heavy
Heavy metal muscle
jb, I think I need to mention something that's been bugging me.
You've posted far too many pictures in your thread. Do you think maybe in the future you could just post links to your photos'?
-One thread at a time, making DC.com a better place for everyone. :2thumbs:
interesting read...subscribed.
Lots of opinions flying around
Quote from: 472 R/T SE on December 31, 2011, 04:43:27 PM
jb, I think I need to mention something that's been bugging me.
You've posted far too many pictures in your thread. Do you think maybe in the future you could just post links to your photos'?
-One thread at a time, making DC.com a better place for everyone. :2thumbs:
I don't understand why it would "bug" anyone? Each pic was/is fine with me, granted to quote, and include the pic again is kinda redundant but Jeff's worked so hard and we shared his heartbreak, trials and setbacks so the pics are part of the path to victory of determination. Just as project "Blue Thunder" also inspires us to press on regardless, Jeff and Allen have both shown what the will to accomplish something can achieve.
In Jeff's case, to continue past the original concept to a whole new level of performance warrants more pics, and the following awards and much deserved recognition justify even more pics. :2thumbs: Well Done Jeff!
:iagree: :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
if you think this post has too many pic's, stay far away from moparmanjim's model page :2thumbs: if im lookin at a resto, i wanna see pic's.
Quote from: 472 R/T SE on December 31, 2011, 04:43:27 PM
jb, I think I need to mention something that's been bugging me.
You've posted far too many pictures in your thread. Do you think maybe in the future you could just post links to your photos'?
-One thread at a time, making DC.com a better place for everyone. :2thumbs:
:rofl: Nice... I love it.. :rofl:
Quote from: autodynamics on December 29, 2011, 06:50:45 PM
Nice where world of wheels at ?
We are going to come down heavy
Heavy metal muscle
It's in Boston..World Trade Center... April 1st.. Not 100% sure I'm doing it this year, though.
Quote from: nvrbdn on January 09, 2012, 06:00:33 PM
if you think this post has too many pic's, stay far away from moparmanjim's model page :2thumbs: if im lookin at a resto, i wanna see pic's.
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Quote from: jb666 on January 09, 2012, 06:01:22 PM
Quote from: nvrbdn on January 09, 2012, 06:00:33 PM
if you think this post has too many pic's, stay far away from moparmanjim's model page :2thumbs: if im lookin at a resto, i wanna see pic's.
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Sense you spoke about things, this is one of the threads I was talking about in my other thread about having "alot" of photos posted an no one bitching about it like they did at me for my stuff. :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
PS don't worry I won't post any photos on this site... just links. BTW, Jeff, you one heck of a very fine looking charger! :cheers: :2thumbs:
How the hell are we going to learn anything without the pictures.
I thought for sure the guy who posted about too many pictures had to be joking. What's the big deal? Storage space?
Quote from: Bobs69 on January 09, 2012, 08:12:38 PM
How the hell are we going to learn anything without the pictures.
I thought for sure the guy who posted about too many pictures had to be joking. What's the big deal? Storage space?
I'm also pretty sure he was joking and possibly mocking someone else.
Sorry if this question has already been adressed (I just found this thread & didn't feel like reading all 205 pages of it), but are there any reputable General Lee builders that put out good clones ? I have missed my GL since the day I sold it (even though it was a beater) & would like to find a nice driver Lee.
Such practices is incredible and intolerable...
Quote from: tippytoe on January 13, 2012, 12:28:46 PM
Sorry if this question has already been adressed (I just found this thread & didn't feel like reading all 205 pages of it), but are there any reputable General Lee builders that put out good clones ? I have missed my GL since the day I sold it (even though it was a beater) & would like to find a nice driver Lee.
I think your best bet is to do it yourself.
Anytime i go to Autobuy.com and search 69 chargers, all they seem to have is Orange G L chargers with price tags of $25,000. could these be BK or halpag under different names ? When you see a sea of orange chargers you wonder whats really underneath all of the new paint !
Quote from: 472 R/T SE on December 31, 2011, 04:43:27 PM
jb, I think I need to mention something that's been bugging me.
You've posted far too many pictures in your thread. Do you think maybe in the future you could just post links to your photos'?
-One thread at a time, making DC.com a better place for everyone. :2thumbs:
:iagree:
Jeff, you could have substituted math problems for many of those pics. I think you should be more considerate in the future. :insertsarcasm:
I feel for you guys, The two idiots at Texas Toy Box are a couple of crooks as well. I bought a 68 Dodge Charger from them and they completely misrepresented the car. A little old lady owned it according to the old man, always garaged. I have mentioned these guys before on this site. Anyone looking for a Mopar to buy stay away from these guys, they will come off as your best friends and sell you a piece of junk. BEWARE!
Clicking on links and closing windows are a PITA
I prefer more pictures and less commentary.
I enjoyed all parts of the thread. Tons of info and great angled shots for details that I have been looking for
Thanks guys.. I was trying to make the thread as informative as possible, and I think external links would have been a major PITA... Just my opinion though, I like seeing images embedded...
It's funny, but I breezed through this thread over the weekend.. Seems like so long ago..
Just a couple of weeks ago I had a Wilwood big brake kit installed on all four corners. I had a custom set of 10" Vectors made, and the rear end was narrowed 3" to keep them tucked in.. The 295 drag radials tuck PERFECTLY under the rear of the car and they hook up like nothing I've ever felt before..
Line lock will be installed on the car in the next week or two... Swapped out the Cal-Trac spring on each side with a custom arched spring. I wanted a bit more of a rake than what I had.. I LOVE the way it's sitting now... Sorry guys, a few more (embedded) pictures... If you want to spare yourself the pain of more pics.. leave now...
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/306726_4142969373082_1787374821_n.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/169636_10150993964424288_1063458634.jpg)
I cranked my torsion bars down a bit in the front... Had too much of a gasser look the way I was running around...
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/336032_10150993963959288_1326322226.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/338720_10150993959859288_1709565227.jpg)
Had a set of custom '70 highback buckets made up to match the color/pattern of my rear seat...
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/470340_435633693122959_1152339325_o.jpg)
Cool shot, you can see the metal flake and the new stance...
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/457611_435431883143140_1527401280_o.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/473191_10150929387139288_362432196_.jpg)
And finally, two weeks late for the World Of Wheels 2012, my buddy at Boomer McLouds put together the most amazing system in the car... Moonshine bottles and all... This is it closed...
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/582555_3810371378340_1561172231_n.jpg)
And here it is with the 22" screen open...
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/538787_3810370698323_1847936038_n.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/457771_4166807973661_359616777_o.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/467185_366390250071027_1455410640_o.jpg)
Hmmm.. What's next?? We are toying with the idea of building a radical gasser GL... I know you guys must be so excited at the though of this.... Yeahhhhhhhhh buddy!!
The car looks awesome and the trunk is one of the coolest i've ever seen. Nice touch with the TV, never would think their was one under the wood. :2thumbs:
Quote from: WHITE AND RED 69 on July 08, 2012, 04:07:41 PM
The car looks awesome and the trunk is one of the coolest i've ever seen. Nice touch with the TV, never would think their was one under the wood. :2thumbs:
Thank you! I know it's not for everyone, but I'm a HUGE audio/video nut.. Love having a good system in every vehicle. So, this winter I spent a lot of time dynamatting the entire car top to bottom...
Everything INSIDE the car is 100% hidden. The AM radio is still in it's correct location.. CB and all.. The receiver is hidden and nothing can be seen but a small white cable next to my seat, where I plug my IPhone in and control the audio... If I didn't pop the trunk you'd never know it had anything audio related...
The 20 year old cedar was a nice touch too... Gives it the vintage look.
Hey snap some pics of the shortend rear end and the new stance from the rear !!!
Curious about the vectors stretched
WOW!!!! That truck is freakin awesome! I love it!! And I know what you mean by being an audio nut. I gotta have a good system in my truck. I guess it just shows my young age...18.. Lol. Your car is amazing! It sure has came a long way!
I meant to say I love your trunk, not truck. You gotta love autocorrect. :/
Quote from: autodynamics on July 08, 2012, 04:36:41 PM
Hey snap some pics of the shortend rear end and the new stance from the rear !!!
Curious about the vectors stretched
I'll go grab a couple of shots for you. I was originally going to have it mini-tubbed, but I didn't want to go that route. So when Jon told me he could narrow the rear end and get everything tucked in perfectly, I jumped at the opportunity..
Scott @ Detroit Vintage Wheels did the vectors for me. to clarify, when I say "custom Vectors", I simply meant the extensive process he put them through restoring them, but they are dedicated Mopar 10" wide x 15" old school vectors. Then they were CNC'd, powdercoated and clearcoated. They are pcs of art....
Quote from: marshallfry01 on July 08, 2012, 04:37:29 PM
WOW!!!! That truck is freakin awesome! I love it!! And I know what you mean by being an audio nut. I gotta have a good system in my truck. I guess it just shows my young age...18.. Lol. Your car is amazing! It sure has came a long way!
I don't think it's anything to do with age.. I've had kick ass systems in all of my vehicles. My truck's system is a 155+DB system that'll blow your ear drums.. But that's my DD so I wanted it that way. When I was 18 I couldn't AFFORD systems like that, never mind want them.. All I cared about back then was going fast.. And even that was a stretch..
Thank you for the compliment.. I appreciate it :cheers: :cheers:
Here's a quick shot taken from the IPhone.. I'm heading outside in a while, I'll get a better shot for you... And yeah.. I know... I hadn't roasted the stickers off yet :slap:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/Rear2.jpg)
Iam sure you are quite aware. That is the baddest general lee replica on the planet. Soo envious, Nice work!
Quote from: charger01 on July 08, 2012, 05:36:03 PM
Iam sure you are quite aware. That is the baddest general lee replica on the planet. Soo envious, Nice work!
Thank you.. But really, I just did this the way I always wanted "mine" to be... And it's almost there :lol:
Here's a shot the wife snapped behind me one night while driving... Sorry if it's a blur, but gives you a good view...
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/Follow.jpg)
And yes... I did burn off the stickers...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=by8U0zOYWa8&feature=youtube_gdata_player
THATS A HARDCORE REAR END!!!!! :2thumbs:
Quote from: 1974dodgecharger on July 08, 2012, 08:53:59 PM
THATS A HARDCORE REAR END!!!!! :2thumbs:
That's what she said..
I mean... Thank you :cheers:
That's sofa king badass
Love the paintings of the car and even love the wood work better! Never knew that there was a tv under there till I scrolled back up and put 2 and 2 together to figure out thats what the rope was for. Nice job! :2thumbs:
Quote from: jb666 on July 08, 2012, 04:15:56 PM
The 20 year old cedar was a nice touch too... Gives it the vintage look.
As long as you brought the subject of wood up, you might like these pics if you didn't see them already. I found them online ages ago, can't remember where, & posted them, but I figure posting them again here would be okay. :icon_smile_big:
WOW!!!! Pretty cool and one hell of alllllottttttttt of work..... :2thumbs:
Quote from: Steve P. on July 09, 2012, 05:04:12 PM
WOW!!!! Pretty cool and one hell of alllllottttttttt of work..... :2thumbs:
Thank you. I wanted something different that made people stand back and say "Holy shit!", and now I've achieved that no matter which end of the car you're looking at...
Quote from: Old Moparz on July 09, 2012, 04:30:41 PM
Quote from: jb666 on July 08, 2012, 04:15:56 PM
The 20 year old cedar was a nice touch too... Gives it the vintage look.
As long as you brought the subject of wood up, you might like these pics if you didn't see them already. I found them online ages ago, can't remember where, & posted them, but I figure posting them again here would be okay. :icon_smile_big:
That is VERY cool... I saw that a while back.
Quote from: resq302 on July 09, 2012, 12:36:33 PM
Love the paintings of the car and even love the wood work better! Never knew that there was a tv under there till I scrolled back up and put 2 and 2 together to figure out thats what the rope was for. Nice job! :2thumbs:
Thanks!! My buddy Chuck (who painted my car) does all my garage art as well.
Quote from: c00nhunterjoe on July 08, 2012, 10:27:27 PM
That's sofa king badass
That's sofa king cool of you to say, thanks!!! :cheers:
I ordered my line-lock today.. :cheers:
That trunk is awesome! Hell the car, the story, the talanted people you met along the way, the enr result, All of it is AWESOME!
Just when you thought it was over...
I put a lot of thought into doing this when the car was first being built, and decided to keep it looking as much like a "real" GL as possible... Until now.. I decided, this winter, that I was just going to do it... Some may ask "why not build another one and leave this alone?", but why?? My thoughts are always that you only live once, and to make it count... So that's exactly what I'm doing... I'm gonna go out with a smile on my face....
The ProCharger/EFI came out (all for sale).. And a polished Blower Shop Blower W/Polished Indy Intake , 2 polished QuickFuel carbs and a bunch of other goodies went in.. Tons of time, fabrication, and paint work are going into the completion of this project.. But when all's said and done, I look back and think THIS IS IT!!!
It didn't go back on the dyno when it was done, so all I can say is WOW, does this thing have some major low end power now.. It whipped my sunglasses off my head and into the back seat at 1/2 throttle... :lol:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/922084_362266183873058_2023199708_o-1.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/JB666/media/922084_362266183873058_2023199708_o-1.jpg.html)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/965937_362590983840578_1098129764_o.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/JB666/media/965937_362590983840578_1098129764_o.jpg.html)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/966790_362134110552932_415868082_o.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/JB666/media/966790_362134110552932_415868082_o.jpg.html)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/977546_362129510553392_1054059949_o.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/JB666/media/977546_362129510553392_1054059949_o.jpg.html)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/920137_362120550554288_540492642_o.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/JB666/media/920137_362120550554288_540492642_o.jpg.html)
And today, the hood was cut... And before anyone has heart failure, remember that NOTHING about this car is "original".. it's an AMD hood... And I didn't feel like buying a glass hood just so I could preserve this one...
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/970908_10201168012829365_711716468_.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/JB666/media/970908_10201168012829365_711716468_.jpg.html)
What's next? De-Generalizing? Tubbing? Jet Engine? Hmmm......
Jeff is out of controll :nana: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :2thumbs:
Quote from: moparstuart on May 20, 2013, 07:26:56 PM
Jeff is out of controll :nana: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :2thumbs:
Yes... This much is true... But until I find my Bandit T/A... I just can't stop!!
I would never ask why.. Just looking at the pic. is the reason. I happen to be a guy that was lucky enough to have driven a Big BLOWN Mopar once and that again is enough reason...
Waiting for you to wax the 1/4s and fire up the camcorder with a massive BLOWN BURNOUT!!!
Time for a new "T" shirt Jeff.... "INJECTION IS NICE, BUT I'D RATHER BE BLOWN" :icon_smile_cool:
Sweet jeebus man! I've been watching on FB and was wondering when you were going to update here :thumbs:
WOW.... Amazing work!!! :cheers: :2thumbs:
If that doesn't jump a barn and a train at once, no GL will!!!! :smilielol:
Quote from: Steve P. on May 20, 2013, 07:46:51 PM
I would never ask why.. Just looking at the pic. is the reason. I happen to be a guy that was lucky enough to have driven a Big BLOWN Mopar once and that again is enough reason...
Waiting for you to wax the 1/4s and fire up the camcorder with a massive BLOWN BURNOUT!!!
Time for a new "T" shirt Jeff.... "INJECTION IS NICE, BUT I'D RATHER BE BLOWN" :icon_smile_cool:
LOL! There's a video up on FB, but I didn't upload it to YouTube.. Kind of a lame burnout, but I was working with limited space.... And I have to say it.... I hated the injection.. OLD SCHOOL IS BETTER (this won't help my sale any).
Quote from: Just 6T9 CHGR on May 20, 2013, 07:49:24 PM
Sweet jeebus man! I've been watching on FB and was wondering when you were going to update here :thumbs:
:lol: It was only a matter of time.. I'm a FB post whore.. They make it very easy.
Quote from: projectanimal on May 20, 2013, 07:50:19 PM
WOW.... Amazing work!!! :cheers: :2thumbs:
If that doesn't jump a barn and a train at once, no GL will!!!! :smilielol:
I tell people that too... I get asked at every show "Can this jump?".. Yeah, ONCE!!
As for the work, Jon @ Tube Chassis is the master mind behind all of this... And when I say he's got this thing dialed in and running PERFECTLY, that's an understatement.. mega throttle response and killer power... Great combo...
:lol: That's killer!! Love it!!
Quote from: Indygenerallee on May 20, 2013, 08:00:27 PM
:lol: That's killer!! Love it!!
Thanks! I had a guy walk up to me at a show Friday night and say "The real General Lee didn't have a blower".
Who gives a crap what the "REAL" General Lee had?! they slapped together any shitbox they could find and trashed it.. No one cared about the motor... This is my car, my twist, my empty bank account.. And I'm loving every second.
I think the General just got a 4 star General promotion with that add on! :2thumbs:
Tub it and then you can tell everyone it's the "standup General Lee" God even knows where that car is now!?
I have to say.. I don't think I've EVER enjoyed a car as much as I've enjoyed this over the past few years... Glad I dumped the Z06 and took the plunge into TV-land... :lol:
Good to see you back, Jeff! :cheers:
As always, car looks great. Who gives a flying F what anyone else thinks. :yesnod:
Holy Cow Jeff, I just jizzed in my pants...... :icon_smile_big:
:2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
Quote from: bill440rt on May 20, 2013, 08:36:13 PM
Good to see you back, Jeff! :cheers:
As always, car looks great. Who gives a flying F what anyone else thinks. :yesnod:
Exaaaaaactly :smilielol:
I told someone the other night "Oh, I wasn't aware you were funding this project?".. Which shut his opinions on why a General Lee shouldn't have anything bigger than a 440 in it.. People take this shit way too seriously some times.. It's a frickin' CAR!! :brickwall:
Quote from: Darkman on May 20, 2013, 08:40:57 PM
Holy Cow Jeff, I just jizzed in my pants...... :icon_smile_big:
:2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!! That's priceless, right there :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Love IT!!!! :cheers:
Jeff, just tell the dumb bassards that "THIS IS THE GENERAL LEE THAT WINS"!!!!!!
:cheers:
OMG :o
WOW!!! What a beast! :drool5: That is one bitchin setup!
:drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5: :drool5:
I bet that'll rip the Daisy Dukes off any gal
Never thought my favorite General Lee could get any better, but Jeff sir, you just did it.
I've been wanting a bug catcher for a while now too. Last wad of $$ I spent on new wheels/tires for my daily driver so it'll be a while until I have enough pennies saved up again.
Effin' impressive man, :2thumbs:
Yee haw!
Quote from: moparstuart on May 20, 2013, 07:26:56 PM
Jeff is out of controll :nana: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :2thumbs:
:lol: thats funny ,
good to see your back Jeff :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :yesnod: :2thumbs:
Damn been some stuff going on with the General :yesnod: :o :drool5:
made the pic with the blower my desktop pic at work... :2thumbs:
HOLY CRAP!!!!! Let me put aside my feelings on Chargers being GL projects.
That is one BAD-ASS LEE!!!
Would love to see that in person :2thumbs:
Nice Jeff. I too (Even though the Procharger was about 50% more efficient than that old school Roots style blower) believe in the old school roots blowers too. Nothing screams Hot Rod like a huffer poking up through the hood and that unmistakable whine. WIN! :2thumbs:
Quote from: jb666 on May 20, 2013, 07:22:33 PM
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What's next? De-Generalizing? Tubbing? Jet Engine? Hmmm......
You sir have a problem! Nice work.
For what's next - how about a road trip, get out there and squeal the tires in the dirt of Hazzard County, Route 66....?
Quote from: Back N Black on May 20, 2013, 08:53:59 PM
Love IT!!!! :cheers:
Thank you! :cheers:
Quote from: Steve P. on May 20, 2013, 09:01:40 PM
Jeff, just tell the dumb bassards that "THIS IS THE GENERAL LEE THAT WINS"!!!!!!
:cheers:
That'll be my new line :lol: Thanks Steve.
Quote from: Cooter on May 21, 2013, 06:20:18 AM
Nice Jeff. I too (Even though the Procharger was about 50% more efficient than that old school Roots style blower) believe in the old school roots blowers too. Nothing screams Hot Rod like a huffer poking up through the hood and that unmistakable whine. WIN! :2thumbs:
I agree completely.. And I also agree with you about the ProCharger... I just didn't like the fact that I had to almost "spool it up" like a turbo to get it to produce power.. Plus, I was tired of the "What do you got, a gear drive under there?" questions at lights.. :lol: .. But, the biggest reason was going "back" to old school... It had to happen.
Quote from: Homerr on May 21, 2013, 10:03:49 AM
Quote from: jb666 on May 20, 2013, 07:22:33 PM
......
What's next? De-Generalizing? Tubbing? Jet Engine? Hmmm......
You sir have a problem! Nice work.
For what's next - how about a road trip, get out there and squeal the tires in the dirt of Hazzard County, Route 66....?
You know, I've been trying to get that sound effect on dirt for years... Once I do, I'll drive it down :icon_smile_big:
Thanks for the comments guys, I appreciate it... :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
People asking questions with an answer just want to feel like part of the crew. Don't take it to heart. When someone really makes you feel like slapping the shit out of them at a light, just wait patiently for the light to turn and then NAIL IT!!!!! All questions answered at that point!! ;)
that's the way the General should have looked, ole Roscoe wouldn't have known what to do :2thumbs:
A Roots Supercharger is the ultimate power adder....it's in your face appeal leaves no doubt this is a serious machine ! :devil:
Well done Jeff....you can stop because the car is now complete ! :bow:
Ron
Quote from: firefighter3931 on May 22, 2013, 07:47:00 PM
A Roots Supercharger is the ultimate power adder....it's in your face appeal leaves no doubt this is a serious machine ! :devil:
Well done Jeff....you can stop because the car is now complete ! :bow:
Ron
Hey, thanks Ron!! :2thumbs: And I agree with you 100%.
The hood is coming along nicely... Should be on the car in a week or so. it's in primer now...
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/JB666/468928_10201214264665632_973122005_.jpg)
One thing I learned yesterday... Mid 90's + a big roots blower = NOT A FUN TIME... That thing makes some SERIOUS heat. I not know what this little guy feels like after an hour ride...
(http://www.gothamist.com/food/archives/lobster%20in%20pot.jpg)
Any videos to share? Again :drool5: :drool5: :drool5:
BADASS!!!, i'd love to see you try and slide across the hood :rofl:
Did you cut your already finished hood??
Quote from: Steve P. on June 01, 2013, 02:18:38 PM
Did you cut your already finished hood??
Yes... I posted that a couple of pages ago... I didn't care... It was only an AMD hood anyways. It didn't warp at all.
Quote from: projectanimal on May 20, 2013, 07:50:19 PM
WOW.... Amazing work!!! :cheers: :2thumbs:
If that doesn't jump a barn and a train at once, no GL will!!!! :smilielol:
And pull the side off a house while its doing it, with JB grinning from ear to ear :icon_smile_big:
Well done man, top effort, the low down grunt must be insane, looking foward to a YouTube clip when you do.